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Obama’s New Deal

May 12, 2010 by  

Obama’s New Deal

"Now, what we’re doing, I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money." President Barack Obama, April 28, 2010, (emphasis added).

President Barack Obama went to Wall Street last month to champion his cause for financial regulation. Fresh from his healthcare victory the President seems itching for another fight.

Meanwhile the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced fraud charges against Goldman Sachs, arguing that the firm had committed fraud in structuring and selling its debt obligations. This has Congressman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) raising troubling questions.

Issa has asked the inspector general of the SEC to investigate the timing of the announcement. He believes the Obama Administration is going after Goldman Sachs just as Democrats are pushing for passage of financial reform legislation in the Senate.

According to Issa, “[This has] fueled suspicion that the Commission … may have engaged in unauthorized disclosure or discussion of Commission proceedings in order to affect the debate over financial regulatory legislation currently pending.”

Last week Goldman Sachs leaked a story that it doesn’t want to engage in a legal battle with the SEC. The Wall Street Journal quoted one senior executive at the firm as saying "We can’t be going to war with the SEC." Goldman understands it needs to choose its battles.

I should have done that better when I took up boxing at the Lilac City Boxing Club. One day I was on a roll, landing a combination on my sparring partner, a man who had once fought Frank Bruno for the World Boxing Association (WBA) heavyweight title. After connecting with a final punch I stepped back. The grizzled old fighter shrugged his hulking shoulders and then gave me a million dollar grin.

“My turn,” said Harvey Steichen.

A few years later I started working for what was then Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash. I quickly learned that everyone associated with Wall Street was interested in two things—making money and keeping regulators at bay.

One day the Men in Black arrived. As two SEC field agents marched into our offices, one of the old timers whispered to me, “Here comes the Gestapo.” A few weeks later, two up-and-coming brokers were summarily dismissed. I never knew their crime but I understood they were fired because of a judgment by the Federal government. The rumor was they were charged with insider trading.

Don’t get me wrong. I hate Wall Street. After six months at the brokerage company I decided I either had to jump out of my eighth story office or quit.

I think many of you probably feel the same kind of disdain for high finance, especially after learning that big banks deceived their clients into buying risky mortgage investments while they themselves ran side bets that the investments would go bust.

When the house of cards collapsed two years ago it was Washington’s argument that major investment houses simply had to be bailed out. In that aftermath, scores of executives tucked away multi-million dollar bonuses, much of it courtesy of Joe and Jill Taxpayer.

But now the Obama administration is demanding its pound of flesh. According to the The Independent, “This [the fight with Goldman Sachs[ has become the greatest battle between the American government and a private firm since President Franklin Roosevelt took on the ‘House of Morgan’ in the 1930s.”

Illustration of Barack Obama taking notes from Franklin D. RooseveltObama has stylized himself as a New Deal President the likes of FDR. A couple of months ago Obama denounced “fat-cat bankers” for rewarding themselves bonuses after being saved by government bailouts. “Shameful,” he said. In fact, this President sounds much like FDR, who in 1936 denounced Wall Street for its “financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking,” and who fueled his fight by saying: “I welcome their hatred.”

I hate Wall Street, but I hate big government even more. The last thing America needs is another FDR. The Billings Gazette recently summed up that Presidency: “FDR closed all the banks, removed the gold standard for the dollar, created innumerable government agencies, established the Tennessee Valley Authority, instituted a minimum wage for workers, encouraged unionization of industry, created the Social Security system, initiated public housing programs and allowed the national debt to soar into the billions. In addition, he attempted to pack the Supreme Court.”

Under Obama’s New Deal the United States has reversed the course set by Ronald Reagan, a man who brought a tidal wave of deregulation and with it, unprecedented economic prosperity. Under Obama’s command the U.S. is veering hard to the Left, a destination that will allow less freedom while creating bigger government. And oh yes, he is also packing the Supreme Court.

“The nanny state is smothering us all,” wrote the Ukiah Daily Journal. “The economic financial crisis which is upon us is being deliberately made worse (or at least being deliberately caused to continue) in order to be used as one excuse to turn the U.S. into a socialist state. If you don’t believe this, stay tuned, because you have been overwhelmed by the lies and myths.”

If you’re like me you’re probably feeling staggered by the Obama onslaught. I urge you to hang tough and stay in the fight. In the words of Lou Holtz, the former football coach at Notre Dame, “We have to fight for our freedom.”

Action To Take
There is a tidal wave of regulation coming down the pike and not just for the investment banks. Big oil is also going to get clobbered in the wake of the Gulf Coast disaster. And the Federal government won’t stop there. I expect that Washington will unroll miles of red tape on publicly traded companies. The result will raise the cost of doing business. That’s a profit killer, something that Wall Street hasn’t yet awakened to. Tighter regulations, growing inflation and rising interest rates will unleash a raging bear market. Therefore, I urge you to stay liquid with cash and/or short-term Treasury bills, physical precious metals and a sprinkling of gold and energy stocks.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Lena

    We need Obama’s New Deal after getting George Bush’s RAW DEAL. The country is a mess because of his neglect, not Obama’s. Even the oil spill can be traced back to his and VP Dick’s lack policies on any kind of regulation. What we are still seeing in the stock market is greed fueled by an “out to lunch” Bush administration that only concentrated on the rich becoming super rich.

    As an Obama supported I take it as a compliment that he is being compared to FDR, perhaps America’s greatest president.

    • Time


      This is just more of what JWB did, do you really think any of this is going to change in a way that will ever benifit you?
      This is all a dog and pony act. BarryO is no differant than GWB, he’s just more agressive and moving faster.

      • Anthony

        Agreed, Time. Lena should highlight which parts of the Bush mesh Obama is reversing….

        • denniso

          Myers is right in the article, that Reagan ushered in a wave of deregulation…sure,it temporarily boosts the economy, but look at the result of too little regulation now. We’ve experienced the largest
          economic collapse since the Great Depression. There has to be a reasonable balance between ‘free markets’ and regulation, or we get what we’ve seen…extreme booms and busts, that are the history of our economy.

          • Dale

            I consider it so interesting how totally irresponsible financially this Administration is and how everything is previous Administration’s problems – especially the other political party, skipping the beloved Democratic party. This love affair is unreasonable and unprecedented. Just because the major media spreads the lies well does not mean it is true.

            I am an American and a real Christian who believes in Truth and Integrity and Honor. I live in a society that believes Truth is a personal perception that changes with will rather than irrefutable God given laws – a society that believes that Integrity is good intent (for selfish reasons) rather than doing what one says and saying what one means our of deep inward unchangeable conviction – a society that has lost all meaning of Honor by honoring those who desire to do evil and pervert Truth rather than to have any guts or backbone to stand firm in the face of opposition and do what is right and brings glory to God and mankind.

            Unless people start getting back to acknowledging that words have specific meanings and quit perverting Truth with convenience, Integrity with profit, and Honor with Political Correctness then America has no future – because everything becomes relative to the individuals perceptions and FEELINGS rather than to be guided by WISDOM and TRUTH!!!

    • Jeep

      Blame Bush! Blame Bush! Can’t you parrots get a new mantra? Sheesh…

      • Sidewinder

        Bush was a part of it.

        “Stop blaming Bush” is also a mantra.

        • Jeep

          Sidewinder, is this the liberal you, or the “right thinking” you? It’s so hard to tell. So, I suppose if someone “blames Bush” again, a response would be too much to point out the fallacy of such a ludicrous assertion (means stupid statement, just in case you didn’t get it).

          • Time

            Look Jeep, Don’t be insulted the TRUTH is what it is.
            Its not just BarryO as I noted he is just going very fast, and is very agressive.

            Please read about Woody Wilson, thats when it all started in full force, from that point on the Progressives have added laws to support their actions, they have used every congress and senate as well presidents since that time to gain the ground they now hold.

            “Its all been built on lies and slight of hand,” or a Dog and Pony show. Watch the doggie while we take this from you as the doggie is so cute. Now watch the pony its so cute too – then we take what ever you have left.

            This is not about Democrat or Republican; its about one thing and one thing only, POWER = the Progressive way.
            To make two class’s of people, the Leaders and the SLAVES.
            Its really that simple.

          • Sidewinder

            I am a conservative Independent. And I HATE Bush.
            My position is to look at the best ideas no matter where the come from.

          • Jana

            Sidewinder and Time,
            So what? You can hate whoever you want to, but lets figure out how to stop this NOW, not keep looking back. There really hasn’t been any President that has been perfect, especially not Lena’s FDR. I don’t think any of these men (Presidents) were evil people, just have differing ideologies.

            Wasn’t it Rom Emanuel who said never let a crisis go to waste? The way this administration handles a crisis seems to create another crisis.

            I don’t even agree with my husband 100% of the time, and I love him. There are a lot of smart people on this site, and Sidewinder you are one of them. Lets figure out a strategy that can work that can stop our downward spiral.

          • Sidewinder

            Hi Jana
            I mispoke, and I did it a few times today, I don’t hate anyone. I dislike Bush, I don’t HATE him.

            I think there is value in looking to the past. We can compare past administrations and see no fundamental differences between them. This will help us understand our choices for the future.
            When we understand past administrations on both the left and the right have failed the American People, and we see the pattern, we know supporting them will only bring more of the same.

            Thats why I think its of utmost importance to begin to understand what type of government system we have. If we understand how it works, we can understand who our politicians serve.

            Once we realize that, we will no longer look to the 2 parties to do things for us, that they are not there to do.

            I’ll say it again, its of grave importance to understand what type of government system we are using. That will take away the confusion and unrealistic expectations.

          • Jeep

            You guys have got to settle down. Jana responded very much in the way I would have, so I will not repeat her well written prose. However, I am tired of the blame game. I do believe it is worth a sentence, or two when the progressive mantra of “blame Bush” is the only response offered to the ills that the current administration is visiting upon us. And, it is unprecedented that the president would stoop to such playground tactics as his reasoning for such draconian measures. And, as such it should not be allowed to pass even by his minions.

          • denniso

            Obama’s been in office for less than a year and a half, but the economy is improved over that time. The collapse DID occurr in Bush’s
            term, so how does he not get some blame? To his credit, he did initiate the shoring up of the financial sector before he left,as most of the world did, and there’s essentially NO doubt that helped.

            Most of the rightwing wants to shift the blame to Obama or even Clinton, because they don’t want to accept any blame for their voting in the worst president ever elected…not surprising, but dishonest.

          • Jeep

            Dennis you are just a hack and a hypocrite. Who’s in the white house today? Just as in years past the current guy is the leader of the free world. Have you ever been a leader? I didn’t think so. A real leader accepts responsibility no matter what the circumstance and leads. This clown has blamed everyone for everything. His minions like you follow suit. I am very sure of myself and my opinion that this is not leadership. This is playground 101.

          • denniso

            So, you’re ‘very sure of yourself and your opinion’??? Great, so was Charles Manson and Timothy McVeigh..being ‘sure of yourself’ is utterly meaningless, if not backed up by facts and logic. For instance, Limbaugh and some other Repubs were attacking and smearing Obama BEFORE he even took office and blaming him and his followers for the ills of the country then. W/ in months of heis term he was blamed by almost all Repubs for the collapse and everything else wrong. Now, that just makes no logical sense and it’s obvious to anyone who can think outside of their partisan box that it’s totally
            political and partisan attack for pure political gain.
            See ‘jeep’, most people who can think clearly know this sort of thing.
            It’s you extremist sheep who seem to be blind or just lead by the nose
            by your hack political leaders. I’m sure you are a lover of Limbaugh
            and that explains all of your muddy non thinking.

          • Jeep

            What? You come after me with some silly notion about Rush, et al. Is that the best you can do? Actually, I do something kinda strange to you, I work during the hours Rush is on the radio. So, I never get the opportunity to listen in. However, I seem to recall your Hillary bashing Oman BEFORE he was prez. Something about his lack of experience, his radical views and the like. Maybe she was listening to Rush? Think before you type, it may help. But, then again, you probably just cut and paste from the lib handbook.

        • Al Sieber

          I have to agree with Sidewinder and Time, its not about democrats and republicans, its about right and wrong and we’re living on borrowed time.



        • JeffH

          Sidewinder says:
          May 12, 2010 at 6:36 am
          Bush was a part of it.

          “Stop blaming Bush” is also a mantra.

          Blame Bush is also a “mantra”.

          They’re all are a part of the much bigger problem.
          Of course Obama’s fix isn’t a part of that “problem” is it?. This guy is slowly dismantling this country piece by piece so his government can seize control and that’s exactly what this “reform” will do.

          This guy is like an Anaconda lurking in shallow water waiting to squeeze the life out of it’s next victim.

          Trust is a must or your game is a bust…Obama has lost the trust of America…the cats out of the bag…It’s almost over Johnny…time is of the essence…

          • DaveH

            I wish I could say that you are right about America waking up to Obama’s plan, Jeff, but I think they are still largely deluded.
            However, we can’t bail out Greece on borrowed money, spend $3 trillion extra in one year, and regulate the life out of the private sector without paying a price (a big price). The chickens will come to roost soon. That is when the people will start waking up in mass as they did during Jimmy Carter’s last two years. The economy is going to be Obama’s undoing. I wish I could say that people were just going to wake up to higher standards of morality, but I don’t believe that to be the case. Rather, they will wait until reality hits their pocketbooks.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, I can’t argue that…We can only hope and do our part as concerned citizens to “expose” this guy for what he is.

          • Jana

            I agree that there are a lot of people out there with blinders on. Most are just too busy trying to raise families and eak out a living and hardly have enough time to get the proper amount of sleep at night so how do they have time to add one more thing to their plate-politics?

            I do know one thing we can do is share what we know to our email friends. The secret to that is to keep it short and share one thought at a time. People just don’t have time for more than that.
            This is an effective tool, and that is why the Obama admin. is trying to take control of the internet.

          • Time

            Jana, First off I don’t hate anyone, but I don’t like people that lie steel and cheet. BarryO does all of these things.

            The only way to really make this work is talking with everyone you meet, tell them in a very nice way after you find out what they think, and if they think BarryO is the be all and end all.
            Its hard to flip them, mostly due to lacking folds in the gray matter.

            But – if you plant the bug they will fester on it until even they start asking questions.
            We have friends who are not wealthy but they have a lot of land holding and homes, they are Democrats and vote that way no matter who’s running.

            About 24 months ago I layed out a blue print of what would happen after BarryO got in office. So far its been on target. This alone has eaten at them to the point that we speak on the phone now daily, they slowly are turning away from BarryO, and the Democrats.

            Its a long slow deal to get that twisted, its not going to be easy to untwist the mess.
            But just toss out a few points don’t argue, then move on.
            I use the ploy of a friendly bet, I never bet more than a few bucks. Then when things turn out as you said, they don’t hate you as they lost, but you gain ground and they start asking questions and change their minds.

          • Sidewinder

            Jana, you hit on something important.
            Keeping us preoccupied.

            As the cost of living races ahead of wages, many Americans have to work longer hours, or more than 1 job. We are too tired, and too preoccupied with our daily lives to pay attention, to take time out to read and really think about what is going on. No time.

            Many have lost jobs and became dislocated workers, forced to find work at entry level pay in fields outside their expertise. Financial worries, job worries, these are perilous times.

            Every so often they toss us Gay Marriage to debate into the ground, or Flag Burning, Gays in the Military, or other tripe to keep us pacified, all the while the Republic sinks, and no real debate on the fundamental problems facing America. Problems like a looming currency crisis, or the errosion of Liberties.

            Distraction is yet another tool of the Democratic/Republican Corporatist Regime.

          • Sidewinder

            BigBadJohn mentioned the 2 shades of Corportism. One shade where the corporations control the government {fascism}, and the other where the government controls the corporations {Not sure what type of corportism that would be called}.

            It could be that a Right Wing President will tilt the balance toward the Corp control of government, and a Left Wing Pres will, tip it back to giving the government the upper hand. I’m still working on that one….

            Both are bad. Way too much federal power. These New, New Deal Regs may stop a lot of corp abuse, which will be good, but again, its merely to save the system from itself, and put it under more Fed control, not the final solution.

            The only solution for Americans wanting to get back to a more constitutional form of representative government, and a fair free market capitalistic system, free of cronism, and federal influence peddling, is to look outside the 2 party

            The corruption that is influence peddling, has been so finely tuned, and perfected, that they have turned it into a system of government, and given it a name.

          • Jana

            Time and Sidewinder,
            I know and knew that neither one of you hate the person, you hate the actions and I do agree with you. I was and am frustrated. Yes, it does make sense to look back, see the mistakes and not repeat them, wih is what we keep doing.
            Time, you brought about some good ideas on how to spread the word.

            Now I am enjoying reading your posts, as I am seeing some deep thinking here and some good ideas coming about.
            Keep up the good work.

          • DaveH

            I don’t know if one would call it hate, but people who purposely take advantage of other people, especially through force, disgust me.

          • Sidewinder

            Hey JeffH
            Yesterday I was talking with Save AmericaSusie, about Sarah Palin. She recommended I read her book, and I said I was more interested in her offhand comments and ungarded speech, if I wanted to really know what she was about for real.

            Ungarded speech is useful.

            In the wake of the Oklahoma bombing, I was watching the news. A lady, a government official was ranting on camera about how new terror legislation is needed. The reporter expressed concern that it may violate the Constitution.

            On camera, the woman wipped her head around and reacted, and said, “Well Americans better get used to a lot less freedom in the future!.”

            It made it onto the airwaves, and I don’t believe anyone caught the significants of that statement. I’ve often wondered about that statement.
            The Gingritch congress, watered down the bill, and took the teeth out of it, claiming constitutional concern.
            Surely another one was needed…

          • Sidewinder

            You are correct Jana, I don’t hate anyone. I get passionate….you could say.

            And I’ve been a steadfast advocate of nonviolence. I don’t say that to keep myself out of trouble either. Think it through, it just doesn’t work. The moral consideration is enough for me, but for those unrestrained by morality, they must know that it will not only play into the hands of those they oppose, but will also get them killed or imprisoned.

            I said it the other day, you cannot expect to use force against the most powerful force in the world and win. Yahoos with Army Navy Surlpus store camo and hunting rifles…it would be funny if no so serious..

        • Dale

          Bush did some things right despite Hollywood and the Socialist controlled Media. He tried 13 times to look into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but Barney Franks and Chuck Schumer kept saying there was no problem and that there would be no bailout – some videos of Congressional sessions stating this clearly from Barney’s and Chuck’s mouth are on YouTube if you desire truth and have any honor (vs being a mind numbed Socialist Robot). Hopefully you have some integrity and will pursue truth. There is an ‘end time’ scripture that says ‘thinking themselves wise in their own eyes they become fools.’ Let Truth prevail!

          Do I like Bush – not really! Do I like Obama – not really! I seek TRUTH above my own convenience!!! Are you as wise???

      • Chaos Factor

        Jeep… You call it blaming Bush… The fact us, it’s learning from the past that you’d rather run from…. I suspect you were a Bush lover and hate being reminded that your not very bright…..if Bush wasn’t guilty of everything he’s accused of you might have a point…. But you’re one of those nutjobs that’s now blaming this bad economy on Obama… You can lie all you want but it won’t change the facts….you sound like you don’t want Japan blamed for attacking Hawaii and blaming America for responding..I suppose you don’t want to Blame the SS for murdering the Jews either….Bush should be tried as a war criminal…

        • JC

          Again the sense of reasoning from the left is flawed beyond all understanding. Are you saying that because the fiscal policies of GWB were bad that that should give Obama license to be 10 times worse?
          Bush is gone and the Imposter is here. And going by the way he is plundering America’s wealth for generations to come, if not sinking it altogether, we should all be very concerned with the fiscal policies of THIS administration.
          What Obama is doing is damaging America on such a large and obvious scale that he should br tried for treason, and just for good measure put GWB on trial too.
          We need to make an example of these criminals. ALL of them.

          • Jeep

            Thanks JC, but I have seen enough of the five year old mentality from chaos to ignore anything he/she/it says. It is not worth my time to respond to negative nelly sitting in the corner collecting a welfare check. Just look at the sad “connection” this idiot tries to make with policies of the current and past administrations with acts of war committed by foreign powers. There is a total lack of understanding in that pea brain to account for the fact that maybe I was pointing out the fallacy of the “blame game”. Besides, that kool-aid drunk fool has the mental capacity of a five year old at a picnic.

          • JC

            Point Taken Jeep, and I agree. Sometimes though these socialists provide a platform on which to present a thought. Not so much in response, but just to get it out there. That makes them “double agent” useful idiots. ;)

          • Jeep

            Kudos JC and well struck!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You have a sick and distorted sense of reality. What this guy is doing is selling the United States down the road. What Bush did was to make us strong against our enemies again. We prosepered, and now we are suffering. You seem to forget that under Bush, we had the lowest unemployment rates ever, the highest employment rates, and the highest numbers the stock market were ever at. Did you forget that in your hatred of the war, or are you like the rest of the left who writes revisionist history and tries to change everything that has passed into something else to suit how they wish it would have been? Yeah, its kind of like that isnt it? You cannot change history and its facts, and to try to do so, would make you a pathetic liar, so leave it alone.

      • Sidewinder

        His viewpoint is not sick.
        You stated that Bush made us strong.

        On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. When he left office it stood at more than $9.849 trillion. That’s a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush’s watch. 71.9%….thats a lot. That debt is killing the dollar. We cannot be strong with a weak dollar.

        What we have is fiat currency. Its not backed by gold or anything real. What it is backed by are debt obligations like Treasury Notes. IOUs. Thats all they are. We can borrow from other countries, then print money. When we do that, we dilute the value of our money. Its like adding a 1/2 gallon of water to a 1/2 gallon of paint. Make sense? Its dilutes the value because we now have incurred debt obligations on that new borrowed money. Get it?

        Another problem this time around too is consumer debt. A lot of the Bush era prosperity was fueled by consumer credit. When you have maxed out all your credit cards, and tapped the home equity, and worst of all, put yourself deep, deep in debt because you paid 3 times more for your house than it was really worth during the Housing Bubble, {Hint..Bubbles are bad} you find yourself deep in debt. People deep in debt, are no longer capable of running out and spending like they used to. And that hurts business. As a result business suffers.
        This is where we are now.

        These things were not caused by President Obama.
        Debt is always bad. The sanity of any policy that relys on growth fueled by credit should be questioned. I am not so convinced that looking to the Stock Market as a true indicator of economic health is the wisest thing to do. It doesn’t reflect growing consumer debt, that will eventually have to be dealt with. Especially when consumer debt is the driving force of so called prosperity.

        • Disgusted

          No arguing with that! The point we are at has been in the works for generations – not just the GWB time – but for generations. It is not a Republican or a Democratic problem – it is America’s problem. Our country was living high on the hog and the hog was just an illusion due to the corruption on Wall Street. The fact that the SEC is charging any entity/company but themselves with a crime is rediculous. Their lack of oversight is exactly what got us into this mess – again our “Government” was not effective – while the SEC officers were searching the internet for porn the Wall Street moguls were robbing this country blind and when their false house of cards fell guess who paid for it! Not only did the American people lose their lively hoods, retirement accounts and hope for their future they actually paid to bail out the crooks that stole all this from them. Wow! What a scam.

        • Chett

          Bush began with a 5.7 trillion dollar debt and ended with a 9.8 trillion dollar debt. That is an increase of 4.1 trillion in 8 years. That is obscene! However, Obama started with 9.8 trillion and increased it to 12.9 trillion as of 5-12-10, that is an increase of 3.1 trillion in ONE year. That is criminal!

        • DaveH

          Let me get this straight, Sidewinder. You Dis Bush for a $4 trillion dollar increase in the debt over an 8 year period. Yet, under Obama the debt has increased by $3 trillion in a little over a year. Where is the Obama Dissing? If you want anybody to pay attention to your advice then I suggest you be a little more consistent.

          • Sidewinder

            Yes.. you are right, Obama’s borrowing is sickening.
            Its weakening us just as Bush did, and at a faster rate. I get the logic behind it, but I have a tough time thinking we can borrow and spend our way out of economic trouble.

            I admit I have a personal thing against Bush. I am very biased against him.
            Under Bush my father was put on a Federal Watchlist, because he clicked on the wrong internet site while doing research for an article he was writing for a law enforcement magazine at the time. He knows this, because his FBI contact told him so.

            People have said to me that as long as you are not guilty of terrorism, you have nothing to worry about in regards to the Patroit Act.

            Nothing could be further from the truth.

          • Sidewinder

            I understand too, as a conservative Independent with a strong personal bias against Bush, its hard to walk the tightrope, and not come off sounding like an Obama supporter sometimes. I never miss an opportunity to bash Bush.

            There was a time when I was much more even handed in regards to Bush, but those days are gone.
            I do look for the best solutions no matter where they come from, but I know what Pres Obama is, and I know he serves a system that does not serve the voter.

            I have long said neither party serves the American People, and I do not support either party.

          • DaveH

            I understand, Sidewinder. Under Clinton, my phone was tapped for about 6 months. My crime? I bought 2 handguns on the same day (to replace 2 that had been stolen by a burgler). I had fun with that though. I was insulting the snoops severely, knowing full well that I was squeaky clean, and they would have no legal legs to stand on to get back at me.

          • DaveH

            Indeed, Sidewinder, Government has grown way too big, and we need to stay focused on the goal of reducing the size of government. It really doesn’t matter who’s in charge, there will always be about half of the people that don’t like the course it chooses. That is why we just need to reduce the size of government dramatically and get them back to their core duties, mainly to protect us from the force of others. Unfortunately, they are now the Forcers. The Libertarian Party has the solution. Let people make their own choices for their body and their property as long as they don’t do physical harm to the bodies and the property of others. And those trespasses should be remedied by court action, not by saddling the good people with myriad, expensive, and basically ineffective regulations.


          • Sidewinder

            Agreed DaveH
            And I am sorry to hear about your phone tap problems….at least you made the best of it. I just don’t think people have a clue to whats been unleashed. The spy apparatus in place now, post 911 is massive.
            Its a bit unsettling to be lumped in with mass murders, at a time when you can be arrested, hauled off, and held without charge indefinetly. The protections we relied on for due process and to ensure a fair shake, have been striped away in certain cases.

            So when I saw that billboard with a picture of Bush’s face on it with the caption, “Miss me now?”
            I say no. HELL NO! I am glad he’s long gone.

          • Right Wing

            This is probably the most sensible exchange I have seen in some time. At the core of the issues discussed here is the underlying belief that government has grown to a position of power that exceeds the wildest dreams of the men who wrote and signed the Constitution. I am not so enamored with being a conservative republican that I would vote party ticket. I feel let down by the juggernaut of a political system that appears to be making broad moves to corral Americans to work under the yolk.

            The problem is not that Americans have all of a sudden woken up and discovered the fox in the hen house. We live our lives and let things slip as we pursue our dreams in an accelerating world. The changes that led to the angst of reform minded Americans happened slowly by degrees. It is not a matter of who was president or when, it is what it is. Now that awareness has spread to a significant number of people willing to take corrective action, we feel empowered to make real change. Better to operate now when the problem is a skin cancer than later when it is a systemic.

          • JC

            DaveH. I ask you, who started the “bailouts”? Who laid the foundation for “The One” to carry on the work of bankrupting America.
            George W Bush, that’s who.
            I know that as a Libertarian you recognize the dog and pony show that is our Democracy and there are no innocents (very few anyway) in the White House. The Dems and the Repubs are two sides of the same coin owned by the Fed.
            So to defend Bush in any way seems a waste of time.
            His actions were petty compared to Obama…I’ll give you that,
            but they are both criminals and should be prosecuted as such.

      • BigBadJohn

        Berberoni, double check your rhetoric Bush DID NOT have the lowest unemployment, makes me think you keep looking back with rose colored glasses. I think the TREND is more important, GH Bush trend was up, Clinton trend was down, GW Bush trend was down till his policy of free money created the R/E, and construction bubble in 2006.
        here is unemployment rate from :
        Year Annual

        1988 5.5
        1989 5.3
        1990 5.6
        1991 6.8
        1992 7.5
        1993 6.9
        1994 6.1
        1995 5.6
        1996 5.4
        1997 4.9
        1998 4.5
        1999 4.2
        2000 4.0
        2001 4.7
        2002 5.8
        2003 6.0
        2004 5.5
        2005 5.1
        2006 4.6
        2007 4.6
        2008 5.8
        2009 9.3

        • WarriorH

          Republicans take over congress in 1994. If you recall, the last three years of the nineties were primarily fueled by that hoax called Y2K. You remember, the one where we were all at risk of world collapse and every company had to spend ENORMOUSLY on new equipment, services and legal assistance so we would all be protected. Does Y2K remind you of any other upcoming calamities?

          • BigBadJohn

            Agree, I worked for Network Equipment company. A lot of companies used Y2K as an excuse to upgrade everything. So naturally AFTER 2000 those sales slowed down. It’s known as a bubble, when it popped, it caused a market correction.

            Bush Pushed easy loans and cheap money to make his idea of “ownership Society” work which created the housing bubble.

            But Clinton repealing Glass-Steagal is what allowed banks to run wild and created housing bubble. Also known as the “Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act” it was introduced and pushed by republicans in the senate. Phil Gramm is also known for the “Enron Loophole”.

          • DaveH

            Read this article, BigBad. It may change your mind:

          • DaveH

            Also enlightening is this article about the 1920 financial crisis that was over in a year with the absence of government meddling:

          • DaveH
        • Sidewinder

          Right on John

        • DaveH

          The Boom in the economy during the latter half of Clinton’s presidency occurred largely due to the vast strides in computer productivity which I credit largely to Microsoft. Yet, the Clinton administration was working hard to punish Microsoft for their imagined monopoly. Talk about killing the Golden Goose. Also, a large portion of the economic good times is attributable to the Republican Contract with America (and mind you, I only vote for Republicans when there isn’t a Libertarian on the ballot). The economy advanced in spite of Clinton, not as a result of Clinton:

        • Dale

          Clinton did great things with pulling in money to support his agendas. One big one was the Tobacco fiasco – cigarettes went up from about $.50/pack to about $2.50 – plenty of profit for the cooperating tobacco companies and much much more profit for the government. The tobacco smokers and a few other special sin-tax oriented companies as well as extra taxes on any hotel, motel, and ‘luxury’ oriented organizations and restaurants (which most people visit – not just the rich) brought in good revenue.

          Democrat or Republican or whatever — Government spends our money and gives a little back to win votes. It produces nothing except debt and was set up for certain purposes: forming and instituting constitutionally backed laws, helping with interstate commerce, providing military for protection, give structure and stability to the country (of the people, by the people, and for the people – representative of the people), and SUPPOSEDLY representing the people.

          Now we have a government that is smarter than the people, knows what is better for us than ourselves, and works against the people as it tries to control the people. The government even wants to control all media (like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao did), to force government run health care on the people, control what we believe and how we believe it, and is working against the very companies, factories, and institutions that make this country great. Wake up while we have any freedom!

          “A government big enough to give you all that you want is big enough to take away all that you have.” George Washington

      • Chaos Factor

        Beberoni… Bush made us strong?… You are an idiot….that comments so stupid I won’t even add anything else…your not worth it…

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Obama is making a complete mess of our country… We cannot change the past; we can only learn from it. It is time for Barry to take responsibility for what he is doing.
      I really believe that the American people are not against giving people a ‘hand up’, but I know I am against generational welfare. It doesn’t make sense to turn away from Capitalism when it has worked for so long. You have blinders on Lena. Obama is not a savior, but quite the opposite.

    • Raggs

      Lena you sound like another nutjob

    • Homer

      LENA, IF you think FDR was a great president YOU maam are a blithering Idiot! FDR was communist and he pushed the Damned Social Security system on us and he pushed social everything on us! Don’t you know he (began)took the free market system down a wrong turn. Unions started taking over and regulation began and you are sooooo blind. “SOCIAL” means the beginning of communism and the nanny state where the govt owns all: including you! Get a political grip! GOD gave freedom and men tkae it away, especially tha foreign born Muslim, born in Kogelo, Kenya who called hinself a “Christian” (What a lie) and you believe it! You are about as blind as a bat backing into a blizzard. Obama is not a legal president and he is here to destroy America, watch it! I am not trying to be nice because you are so blind you think because of his skin color it’s ok well read Gen ch9 then tell me what the skin color matters. This man is a curse upon this country! Mark it down!!!

      • Harald

        Oh,Homer!Unfortunately there are around 33% of your kind in the USA.
        Any idea just how wackoooo the likes of you look and sound? Rednecks and HillBillies galore. Very funny to the rest of the world!

        • JeffH

          It didn’t take long for you guy’s to arrive on seen…same contributions, different name.

          • JeffH


          • kate8

            No kidding, JeffH. I’m convinced that they are all the same person.

      • Marc

        You mean the man the Republicans allowed to be elected ? It must be a plot on their part…..otherwise why wouldn’t they have taken issue with this “…foreign born Muslim, born in Kogelo, Kenya” ? Or could you simply be mistaken in your assertions ?

      • Debo

        I think you should lose the tag “Homer”. You are doing a disservice to the name. Homer was a great thinker and writer. The stuff you write is just so silly no rational person can take you seriously. Get a hold of reality, it doesn’t seem the elevator is reaching the top floor. When are you birthers going stop pushing the lie about the President not being born in America. Try as you may you can’t make a lie to become truth. Give it up, you’ve lost, get on with life.

        • Dale

          Just one question – why did he refuse to let his original birth certificate be seen????? If I go to get a drivers liscense I have to have a certified copy of the original. He is President – does that make him less accountable than the people that he is supposed to serve???? Also, why did his grandmother say that he was born overseas????

          The way to solve a question is to satisfy it, not to avoid it – common sense 101 – works for us why not the leader of our country??? Is he better than us, less accountable for his actions than us, superior, god?

    • elaine

      I believed that FDR was the greatest President too until I saw the IOU’s to everyone in the United States that paid into Social Security. So You pay into Social Security for 40-50 years and you have an IOU instead of your money and interest. They make you pay into Medicare again 40-50 years and now they cut it and say you can not have that test and you can not have that treatment and that is from FDR and Obama the greatest. And when no more money come in and you cann’t find a job, shelter or food to eat like in recent Russia were they showed food stores empty is that great. This is not great for you Lena but it was great for FDR and all his government friends taking your money and feeding themselves on your crumbs. Please read history. You have the chance to be rich too Lena with hard work and education you can be as successful and everyone else too. You never depend on the government for existence because they can not continue these payout, they will have no money like social security and you will be left with nothing instead of what you worked for. Please read history and you will see. The depression of 1920 was stopped with reducing government and cutting taxes the 1929 depression was extended 11 years because of increased spending and increased taxes exactly what Obama and the government is doing.I hope they just do not know what they are doing but I am afraid they do.Can you please take a moment to read, understand and think on these things and more.

      • ceberw

        You need to study some history yourself. The Great Depression began in 1929. Following the crash the economy contracted through 1932. At that point it was already the worst depression in US history, and still getting worse. FDR did not become president until 1933.

        I’m not saying it was all Hoover’s fault. I’m an economist, and if there is one thing I am sure of, it’s that anyone who is absolutely sure of causation in macroeconomics is just plain ignorant.

        • Time

          Cebrew – Elaine is 100% right, prior to the 1929 crash there was a 1920 crash, it was stopped and corrected in a little less than 10 months.

          So I would think you may want to dust off some history books, but as we all make mistakes, perhaps you just forgot that little detail.

          • ceberw

            That wasn’t my point. You can’t solely blame the Great Depression on FDR since it was already the worst Depression in US history before he became president.

          • Time

            Cebrew, FDR is the main reason it went on as long as it did, thats the facts and truth of the matter.

            I have no love loss for FDR, I find his as repugnant as Woody Wilson, Johnson, Nixon Clinton and BarryO.
            I did not like GWB or GB, nor Carter, I will say that Carter is a really nice honest guy in person but he is bent.
            I have a new found respect for John Kennedy, who stood up to the Rothchilds aka the World Bank owners, saddly we saw what happened to him.

          • JC

            ceberw, is it fair then to blame it on the Keynsian banking system that allows for the manipulation of currency? Is it fair to say that a few unelected individuals controlling the issuance of currency can do whatever they want to the economy without any accounability has the potential to turn us all into economic slaves paying homage to “book entries”?
            Is it fair to say that one administration after another has done their little bit to bring us to the brink of absolute financial collapse and the destruction of America so that we might more easliy accept a world government? (I know, that last one is a stretch, but possible)
            As an economist yourself, I’d look forward to your opinion.
            I mean, sinse you yourself will understand better than most how completely insane it is to give a few shadowy people that kind of power over us.

          • ceberw

            It is somewhat problematic. I am all for having those who control policy accountable, but you have to be careful. There have been countries that had central banks that were controlled by elected officials, but this has almost always been a disaster, like Germany in the 1920s (see Weimar Republic) and many Latin American countries. These countries all had not just inflation, but hyperinflation (think 1,000+ percent). The problem is that the temptation to pay for government spending with new money creation is too great. Auditing is fine and holding them responsible by not re-appointing those who perform poorly. But it is important that the bank has independence from fiscal authorities.

      • Dale

        If I go to a bank and put $100 in and you get 5% interest per year then over a period of 40 years you would have $700 – multiplied by a factor of 7 times.

        This is similar to the Social Security plan – that would work except for the factor that the government makes no money – our economy, the people’s productivity produces the need for money and then the Treasury issues the money in accordance to the economics – at the request of Congress. When we pay taxes to the government then the government spends it on what the people want —- not in many years has this been done, since the ‘government of the people, by the people, for the people’ in Washington knows what we want better than we do.

        The Social Security System is an I.O.U. System. They promise to give us a low interest on our investment and after many years (60+) they promise to give us our money back. The bank simply would never be able to handle the debt owed us without mucho – mucho taxes. It was a scam since the government spends our money we end up supporting each other – FDR started Socialism 101 classes.

        Well, the Democrats were the first to put I.O.U.’s into our bank accounts… —- Why? To use our money to grow government, institute more and more government programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Abortions, giving to all the other parts of the world, etc, etc…

        What became of the great growth in SS funds? Bye, bye! But you got I.O.U.’s. Now, we have a lot of retiring folk that put so much money into the government with nothing back in return – except for 2 options.
        1. the government taxes everyone more
        2. the government sponsors genocide like euthenasia of the old folks, no bill if no older people

        Do you think that I am kidding? Some of the precepts of euthenasia are in the new health bill! (Just like Germany did even before Hitler. It was voluntary before [Kavorcian] then Hitler made it more mandatory for ‘non-contributors’ to society. Just read history!

        Hurrah for greedy government that likes to grow itself at our expense!
        Answer? —— Prayer! Reduce the size of the government that exists off our money – including many of those who work for the government, on our bill. Quit voting for Socialists! Repent of our wrongs, change our direction, and tighten the belts and go to work for awhile – choose not to hate one another but help one another vs falling apart from inside! ——- Otherwise George Orwell’s 1982 (or worse – anarchy) will occur!

        • ceberw

          It was 1984.

    • Barb

      I can see where you would consider it a compliment considering FDR was the first President to start our country down the progressive path and the first president to lie tooth and nail every single day to the people of this country! He is quite the hero for you libs to worship!

      • Barb

        Just so you know this is in response to Lena!

    • refuse2lose

      Are you really as naive as you sound?We NEED Obama’s New Deal????You really need to turn off MSNBC and CNN.They are polluting your mind with lies and more lies.Don’t expect your government to give you what you need,get off your butt and get it yourself.

    • Radio UpNorth

      Governments, which have been the biggest protector against the power of Robber Barons, are being intimidated by Giant Corporate International Socialists like BP, Goldman Sachs and Haliburton. The intimidation is regulatory freedom and low taxes in exchange for jobs against moving out to find cheap labor pools elsewhere.

      And we finance it with our pensions, annuities, etc. We finance it until we have to sell it to survive when our jobs are shipped out to a cheaper labor pool or the market is manimpulated by the banking Fascists to milk us of our investment values.

      The “wealth bubble up”, opposite of that voodoo economic propaganda called tricky “trickle down”.

      So taxes are cut and pressure to erode power from unions best representing the middle class. Look what is happening in the European Union as well as here. Governments have to borrow money to meet annual operating expenses and obligations. Borrowing again from the Bankers and handing over more control away from the people’s governments!!

      Which means further enslavement of these governments to the Corporate International Socialist Fascists.

      There is no survivability for Democracy with this kind of economic gamesmanship. If the Corporate Fascism is to be pushed back and not reduce the world to a fiefdom of disfranchised poor with mass expendability at the whim of any of these Barons (that will make Hitler’s Germany look wimpy by comparison), a mass insurrection will have to come to take it all down.

      And then what we will have is either Communism like Stalin’s Russia or Fascism like Hitler’s Germany. Otherwise, is just Robber Baron Fascist rule.

      Pick you poison, you libertarinanna no-minds.

      • JC

        Dewd! What kind of Meds are you on? That whole rant is about as insanely twisted as it gets. BP is socialist? Wow!

        • JeffH

          Jc…he’s like a lot of other “haters” here that are anti-corporatists. Their focus is so narrow, anybody with an extra buck in their pocket soon becomes a corporate thief.

          His mantra is “Corporate International Socialists”. Kinda has a ring to it.

      • Sidewinder

        Well I think what he’s essentially saying, if I got all that, is not too far off. I disagree with the words socialist, and the mixing of socialist/fascist, is somewhat confusing.
        But I think he’s on the right track.

    • DaveH

      Leave it to a Liberal to blame Bush for the Oil Spill by the sycophantic Green company BP. You people are amazing beyond belief. You are clueless about Economics. Clueless about History. And Clueless about Morality. Nothing but a bunch of self-interested animals.

    • Marilyn

      Yeah. When you make your first thousand dollars, you have made enough money. After that you can give it away to the poor. Obama inherited a lot of troubles, like most presidents do from the last adminsitratons; but, the mess this president is going to leave behind will be the largest debt you could ever imagine…if there is still the America we can recognize. Maybe by then we will be a third world country.

    • Jack

      Lena what a hilarious comment. You must have been asleep for the last year and a half. HeHeHeHeHoHo!!!

    • John Pickett

      Maybe you if your American need to go back and study a little more about your so called beloved FDR!!!!!! All those entitlements he brought down on the American private sector did one thing mam, it was nothing more than Progressive Big Govment. Your going to wake up one day and start putting 2 and 2 together and realize not only George W. threw us under the bus but, OBAMA is doing the same thing. I hope for your sake you go back and study more on this subject. Nothing personal but, with what’s going on in Washington D.C. now is nothing more than basic natzism. Study before you react.

    • Tony

      1 word Lena PUKE

    • timr

      25 yreas of de-regulation is what put this economy in shambles………..

      There has to be SOMe checks-and-balances on the Financial Industry….

  • ASGreen

    Mr. Myers,

    I think you have explained it! You took a few too many punches to the head to understand that we need Washington to be more hands on. The fight that President Obama is taking on is a fight for all of us. It’s too bad you don’t have enough brain cells to understand that.


    Green and Glad

    • angel-wanna-be

      AsGreen, no talk points, no facts, just insults. Do you have a masters degree for that?

    • Barb

      AssGreen, You have been sniffing too much of the green stuff you’ve been growing!! If you think for one second that Obama is going to help anybody but himself and his masters you are insane! God help this country and I pray that you liberal progressive fascists all wind up in the same compound with your messiah!

      • Sidewinder


    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      He is not fighting for me or anyone I know personally. He is fighting for his egotistical self. His inexperience is showing. Other countries look at us as a joke. The terrorists have had a bad run of luck; not that we have been protected. I am not for spreading the wealth around. I think he is dividing the country more than any president in my lifetime….

    • JC

      OH Look! A Watermelon. Green on the outside and Commie Red on the inside. Move to China Commie.

    • Homer

      OBAMA is a thief and a robber and he will destroy this country. Reagan had it right sir, less govt and more capitalism! Obama is a fake and a fraud and he is not American born and he does NOT think like we do! This man is a Muslim and he is not an American. He will destroy America and it’s values! Stand by STUPID! Watch what I say! Obama is here to destoy this country and since he is an empty suit and has NO experience they tell him what to do and he does what he is told! Just because you are ignorant doesn’t mean we all are! You had better see how bad this man is, because you will be in this mess along w/all of us, if this man isn’t impeached!!!

      • Sidewinder

        I liked Ronald Reagan, but it was less taxes, more borrowing. How about less spending? I cut Reagan some slack because we were trying to break the Soviets, but what ever happened to that Peace Dividend that was supposed to pay off that debt?
        it was also less regulation, more corporate corruption.
        And we don’t have a truely free captalistic system. Its rigged, its called Corportism.

      • BigBadJohn

        Yes Ronald Reagan PAID LIP SERVICE to small government, but the biggest government shrinker of all time was – Clinton.

        Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr all had record deficits and record government spending. Ironically, Bill Clinton reduced the size of government more than all 3 of those combined.

        • Sidewinder

          Facts are facts.
          I have other issues with Clinton though…

          • BigBadJohn

            agree such as putting police on the streets by increasing seizures. Or the fact that the phone tapping program Bush has used to trash privacy in the USA, was started by Clinton.

            I hated Clinton for infringing on our personal Liberties, Bush took it to the next level and trampled our liberties even more, now Obama is following the same path that Bush started…….

          • Sidewinder

            Yeah, I knew about Echelon.
            I found Waco and the Ruby Ridge incident to be frightening displays of Federal disreguard.

            Man are we on the same page…

          • Sidewinder

            “I hated Clinton for infringing on our personal Liberties, Bush took it to the next level and trampled our liberties even more, now Obama is following the same path that Bush started…….”

            Exactly. Continuity of government, no matter which party the president comes from. You totally get it.

            Its why I am afraid that there will be a massive swing to the otherside come elections. As if voting Republican is going to change anything. Democrat, Republican, doesn’t matter, they just pick up where the other one left off.

            All this Obama bashing, is only going to result in the election of Republicans, who will pick up where Obama left off.
            Heads I win, Tails you lose. And they keep trying…

          • BigBadJohn

            “Heads I win, Tails you lose. And they keep trying…”
            Well Said!

            Exactly what scares me the most – everyone here is screaming about Obama because they believe all of the rhetoric, but IMO he is a continuation of the last administration. The policies remain the same, what changes are the recipients.

            If republicans are voted back into power, the only thing that will change is that the democrats will have learned ANOTHER lesson in rhetoric and crank it up a notch…..;

          • Sidewinder

            Heads I win, Tails you lose.

            Yeah, the government wouldn’t have it any other way. Why not win win?

            Third party…any third party. I’ve voted Libertarian before….

          • BigBadJohn

            I “was” a republican, then switched to liberatarian.
            I have taken online, “what party are you” type tests and flip between Green party and Libertarian.

            MOST of the libertarian party platform I agree with, fiscal responsibility, US should not be the worlds policeman, smaller government, etc. My problem is libertarians want completely unregulated capitalism. When I have had discussions about my concerns of corporations rolling right over individual rights, the response has been “well you can always sue” – ya right like the little guy would have a snowballs chance against a corporation….

            But next election this might be the best choice.

          • JC

            BBJ, another part of libertarianism is a system of justice wher in fact you could sue a large corp. if they were in the wrong. That, as opposed to the politically driven system of laws and pay offs we have now.

          • Dale

            The main differences between Bush and Obama:
            1. Bush tried to stop the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac – Obama embraced it “A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.”
            2. Bush probably fought Muslim terrorists too much – Obama calls the Tea Party Patriots terrorists and the Muslim terrorists are merely ‘freedom fighters’
            3. Bush pushed the Globalist agenda slowly – Obama is trying to go Globalist over night
            4. Bush called patriotic Americans heroes – Obama calls anyone who disagrees with him or opposes something he does – ‘potential terrorists.’ Recently he got a SWAT team to defend him at a Tea Party Protest that had mostly grandmothers at.
            5. Bush did little to protect Mexican border states from infiltration – Obama is fighting those who have a fight on their hands in some of the states. Both seemed to like illegal immigration and want to take down all borders so Canada through Latin America can be called ‘America’ in lock step as the second leg of the Trilateral – the first was the European Union.
            6. Bush had presidential advisors he appointed Constitutionally (all had background searches – traditional) and Obama appointed Czars (unconstitutional – unelected officials with no background check) to push around elected officials.

            Both wasted a lot of our money – Bush about $4 Billion in 8 years and Obaba about $3 Billion in one year.

            Otherwise they both have the same Globalist Agenda. Both have grown government. Both looked at Big Government as the Solution.
            Bush was incremental Socialism and Obama is ‘in your face’ overnight Socalism.

            To some, what Obama does does not matter – his color and public personna as a good guy is all that matters.

            They forget that Martin Luther King Jr said, “It is not the color of the skin that matters but the content of the character.” He was talking about good and Godly character, not about being a character.

            Don’t let prejudging (prejudice) rule you no matter what race you are.

            Evaluate people by what they do, who they support, and who they surround themselves with – associate. Then you are acting wisely!

        • Jeep

          There you go BBJ, distorting reality again. Clinton claimed military personnel cuts (the first administration to do so) as cuts in govt. Why don’t you look at the growth of all other sectors under Clinton and get it right.

      • Harald

        Oh Homer: Roses are blue and violets are yellow.

      • Marc

        I’ll just repost what I put on to someone else a few minutes ago:
        “You mean the man the Republicans allowed to be elected ? It must be a plot on their part…..otherwise why wouldn’t they have taken issue with this “…foreign born Muslim, born in Kogelo, Kenya” ? Or could you simply be mistaken in your assertions ?”
        Or maybe it’s plot by space aliens ? Guess we should consider that also…..

      • Debo

        There you go again. I think you are suffering from delusions. Get a grip on reality, because you are way out there.

    • JeffH

      ASGreen, what a brilliant comment! NOT! I’m quite sure you already have a number in hand and are standing in Obama’s line for your “free” handout.

      • timr

        JeffH…………Do you want to continue the policies that put us in this mess??

        I don’t understand the LOVE of the financial markets, when they get out of control…………I work in the Mutual Fund Industry, and let me tell you, this fall of the Financial Industry was bound to happen……….Everyone lived high-on-the-hog for sO long, they forgot what a market corection was, never mind, the fat cats making up market rules as they go…………..

        Capitalism is the greatest from of Financial ideology EVER………..and it works………but there has to be a check on it………….

  • Victor L Barney

    Bob, be careful because NOW I understand that we can be arrested without even due cause if you don’t support this fascist administration! The devil is in the details, get it? It’s over and almost time for Yahweh’s two-witnesses(Now, the Catholic Church even acknowledges that it was a translation error to substitute “Jehovah” for “Yahweh”) to punish Israel for 3 1/2 years(Deuteronomy 17:15)! Yes, nothing has changed in 6,000 years.

    • Raggs

      Victor.. You right!

      I said 2 years ago that obama would go after anyone against him.

      Now with his new policy you are guilty until proven innocent not to mention you will be jailed with no trial, no rights and no lawyer as long as they want to keep you. All you need to do is become a “suspect” and off to jail you go.

      • Sidewinder

        Victor and Raggs….Those are elements of the USA Patroit Act.
        Thats why I hate Bush.

        I mean, at first I thought you guys were joking…

        • JeffH

          Sidewinder, the use of the word “hate” provides a very telling insight into the makeup of the user. You’re a pretty bright guy and as often as you critisize and try to correct others for what they say, you don’t do yourself any justice.

          • Sidewinder

            Well JeffH you are correct.
            As I said to someone else above, I do have a personal thing against Bush.
            Under the Bush Administration, my dad was put on a Federal Watch list for clicking on the wrong internet site while doing research for an article he was writing for a law enforcement magazine. His FBI contact let that slip to him.

            I resent a system that makes no attempt to distinguish between the good guys or the bad guys. I can only assume being on a Watchlist, entails being watched. Bank records ransacked, medical info taken, credit and debit purchases anaylized, phone conversations listened in on, emails read, and internet sites logged and checked.

            The man has never been arrested, or ever been in trouble. He’s not even very political. He loves America as much as anyone. What gives?

            How would you feel?

          • JeffH

            Sidewinder, I know you have mentioned your fathers situation before and I understand the total disgust with the whole situation. I just see the “liberals” toss that word around like a “hackey sack”. To me it is as dirty as the “F” word and believe me when I say I’ve caught a backhand for using both those words at a very early age.

            Sorry, I know it’s not about what I like or dislike, it just strikes a terrible chord with me, one “I can’t stand to hear repeatedly.

          • Sidewinder

            Agreed JeffH
            It is a strong word.

            You know I always tell people that emotion cancels out logic.
            You cannot have a rational disagreement once you get emotional.

            That was the wrong word to use. You are right.

            I don’t hate Bush. I dislike him. I don’t think I actually hate anybody.
            I’ve mentioned I have 2 hot button issues, the whole terrorism thing is one of them.

            Hey…I’ll try to do better…

          • JeffH

            Not to worry, I just haven’t seen that from you, that I can recall, and it dissapoints. I don’t see eye to eye with you on many things, but I’ve found I must, more than not, read between the lines.

            Oh, as I’ve mentioned many times before, we’re all focused on our own problems here and most fail to realize that the “globalists” are pushing a great many of our trouble buttons. Just amazing what trillions can buy these days…whole countries economies…and the people that run ‘em.

      • Victor L Barney

        Raggs, thanks; but be careful, or we’ll meet personally in jail, next!

        • Sidewinder

          Victor…you do understand that the fact you can be arrested and held without being charged in some circumstances is do to Bush’s Partoit Act don’t you?

          I mean if you don’t like that sort of thing, then how could you ever like Bush?

          But you not only have to fear arrest, you can also wind up on a Federal Terrorist Watchlist by simply clicking on the “Wrong” website. Did you know that? I know that for a fact.

          Its yet another reason I don’t like Bush.

          • Kim McGough

            Hey what about the terrorist, and nobody wants racial profiling, so you lose civil rights for protection, higher defecit, stronger military. Of course we have terrorists in all races, look at McViegh and his bunch. The problem is bad and so is the solution. Bad deal, you can’t have it both ways. Clinton could have had bin ladin, but was to preoccupied. They are all bad, and spending like it is now it will goodmorning to China as your leaders. Not really they need american fools to support thier new found greed, but watch out for Obama’s new one world government and dictatorship by 2012

          • Kim McGough

            And by the way Bush should have just nuked all the countries involved and left freedoms alone, then sent the military to pump oil. Then maybe you would have liked him. I personally don’t feel this would have been right, but, everyone makes mistakes. The government is rotten to the core on both sides, and no one has the answer in DC.

          • timr

            I think the Patriot Act, including the name, is insulting……….and you all might be surprised to hear from me, that the fact that Obama hasn’t repealed it……….is just as bad…………….

            I don’t have a “personal” story as sidewinder does, but, what did it for me, is when I had to stop at a pay phone a couple of years back, after the Patriot act was enacted, and as I was putting my change in, I noticed a big yellow plate on the phone that read………”per the Patriot act, the Government has the right to listen in on the call on this public phone”………I couldn’t believe it………Now if THAT isn’t STOMPING on one’s Freedoms, I don’t what does………….

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      • Raggs

        Eric Holders new domestic terrorist policy…
        Any citizen “suspected” of being an alli of terrorist will be jailed without any rights until proven innocent.

        • Barb

          Raggs , Right but if you are a Mideast terrorist then you get all the full rights of the law. Mirandized, free layer, cushy cell, treated like a king! Just don’t be an American “terrorist” or you will be treated like an animal. All of us on this blog that are against Osama Obama are probably considered terrorists! What a sweet regime, huh?

          • Sidewinder

            Bush put this crap in place.
            I had hoped Obama would do away with it…right, but now Obama is expanding on it.

            This nonsense started with Bush. Bush opened the door to it.

            Google: Infragard

            You employer if a member, can report your dubious political views to the FBI. This is wide open for abuse.

            “But Bush kept us safe….”

            “He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.” – Benjamin Franklin

          • JeffH

            Sidewinder, it’s pretty easy to figure why Obama extended the Patriot Act. Why would he not keep a “usefull tool”. This certainly gives “his” government the flexibility to get anybody that doesn’t fall in step with his socialist dismantling of this country the ability to silence and eliminate the enemy, which happens to include the well informed, vocal patriotic Americans.

          • JeffH

            Oh, he can even stop a terrorist plot once in awhile for justification.

            If I’m wrong, that’s easy to correct. Don’t throw caution to the wind, that damage can never be corrected.

          • Sidewinder

            Yes Jeff, I believe thats the real reason Bush put it into place too.

          • JeffH

            No doubt. I do think Obama has shown a distain for the people that don’t agree with him and critisize him since he started his campaign, thus I’m more inclined to believe the Obama Administration would use this as much or more as a tool against the people that disagree with his radical politics than Bush would. Right or wrong, that’s my take on it and I in no way am defending Bush’s intentions.

          • Sidewinder

            While I agree there is a dismantling of our country, I disagree its a socialist one.
            Think we all sense some sort of dismantling.

            Would you be open to the possibility that an event was needed in order to implement the types of “useful tools” that you mention Obama is now using to silence the enemy, as you say, including well informed, vocal patriotic Americans?

          • JeffH

            I actually think Obama is a cornucopia of radicalisms as his study and influences have included the mentor of modern Marxism, Alinsky, and of course communism and also the mentoring by the known socialist Soros. Ayers, Davis, Wright, etc…have all added their spice to the brew. If American’s had checked this guy out prior to the election and not swallowed the sweet nectar of his voice, still tasting the bitterness of Bush, he wouldn’t have been elected to the position of dogcatcher. Just about every time Obama opens his mouth, he verifies his true calling, a community organizer, not a leader.
            One can question the use of the word “socialist” but there is absolutely no doubt about the “radicalness” and the ideological agenda he’s set his compass on with the Democratic Party riding his coattails. It surely ain’t American, that’s for sure.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Jeff, Bush wasn’t perfect like the rest, but I don’t believe Bush used the Patriot Act, like Obama’s using it, against simple American dissenters__We have to remember that whatever, is put in place for good, can be turned and used for evil as well, just like like it is.

          • Sidewinder

            Angel, you might be right.

            They say never let the camel get his nose under the tent, if you do soon the whole camel will be inside the tent.

            Like all things the government manages to put into place, they soon grow.

            If Americans had not been in such shock after 911, then kept on the edge of their seats with the anthrax attacks, then the DC Sniper, they never would have allowed passage of that piece of garbage, the Patroit Act.

            Again, emotion cancels logic. We were kept in a state of constant fear.

            The DC Snipers were caught Oct 24th 2001, I believe.
            Pres Bush signed the USA Patroit Act into law on October 26th 2001.

            After that, no more domestic terrorism. They got what they wanted. We were in a constant state of fear right up to the passage of the Patroit Act.

            Had we had time to calm down and think, would that Act have ever been signed into law?

          • angel-wanna-be

            Sidewinder, I think your exactly right!__We were all so preoccupied after 9/11, we watched the skies more than Washington. The Patriot Act though, I’m still not convinced,that Bush meant it, to be used for simple Americans. It’s my opinion, that they had to have some kind of intelligence in regards to terrorists here on our soils in contact across the sands._ Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Bush was only in office, eight months when the 9/11 took place. But, Between New York’s Twin Towers, flight 93 crashing near Shanksville Pa, and the Pentagon, Bush had his hands full. I believe it came down to, there wasn’t enough eyes or instruments to watch the skies. I can’t speak for Bush, but I wonder, if he felt it was better to over react, rather than under. A proverbial, once bit twice shy. Hence the Patriot Act___ Obama on the other hand, as I’ve said before, as thin skinned as he and his cohorts are, I believe were more than happy to keep the Patriot Act in place, and perhaps even expand it, to spy on simple Americans, who don’t believe in his agenda. The problem is, they can tell us anything and hide behind the lies. We are left to wonder. I’m a skeptic__No, I don’t trust them, in the least.

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, I just don’t know. Possibly Bush may not, but there were always those under him, like those under Obama and past presidents who are much more capable of that(abuse of power)if for nothing more, to take one for the “gipper”. I certainly “felt safer” with Bush than with this crony, but Sidewider does have a legitimate point. If his father was abused, then why would not a lot of others have been wrongfully abused by the Patriot Act for entering the wrong website or typing in a “target” word.

            The way the libs on this site throw all their violent rhetoric accusations around, including against the P O T U S they should be first and foremost on a watch list. Especially denisso…the resident whackjob, abuser and accuser. There are some casual dingbats from both sides ut him/her is in a class all alone. A ticking time bomb.

          • angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, I’m hearing that, it’s a crap shoot Jeff. We read, we study both sides, and still questions remain, what’s real, what’s fake?__ I don’t mind telling you, although Bush wasn’t perfect, my heart sank when he left office and Obama took control. I’ve never felt afraid for America, like I do now. I’ve had a eerie feel in the pit of stomach ever since. I watched politics from a distance,I knew enough to be dangerous( halfassed), as we say, I was not into Politics until 6 mo prior to Obama taking office. Now I watch & read everything!__I’m also bonin up on American History___good reads if your interested___”original intenet” David Barton___Lives of the signers of the Declaration of Independence__original reprint 1848 at Wallbuilders___My son just finished Ayn Rand, I get it next!

          • angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, yeah, there are some fruit cakes on here, I’ll say that, they like to bait. Although I can get pretty fired up, I wouldn’t hurt a flea, but like everyone else on here, I love America too. I was born in the 50′s, growing up in the 50 and 60′s, America was different. We had our problems yes, like every generation, such as racism, which was never right, and I never liked the fact, that people of different color were treated badly because of it, to me was stupid. But we had had some good things about it. Men were men, women were women and were content to be so. Families stayed together despite hard times. The men worked, the women raised the kids, that’s the way it was. I truly miss the days of the friendly Mom and Pop shops, and the friendliness of neighbbors and strangers alike_ Today, however, the old man and I barely even know our neighbors. They’ve come and gone, but we’ve been here, over 30 years. Most folks keep to themselves, rarely wave or speak, we still do it anyway. It’s a whole different world now. I often remark, I’m glad my folks are gone, because the America they knew has died with them. I hope some resemblance of her, will still be alive for our Grand kids. We have to keep the fire in our hearts and pass it onm it’s the only way if America is going to survive!

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, I’m with you all the way, born in ’49 and raised the very same way in N California…no racism in my life, wasn’t aware and didn’t even hear about it til the crap started in the 60′s. I guess in that way I was very lucky, though I wasn’t naive either. To this day, and you know from my comments, I still don’t like the racism dislayed by some of the people on this site. The liberals lead the way on that issue, although they think they’re completely innocent. Egads! I often tell some of the younger people I meet and know how much tougher it is for them now than when we were kids.
            I worked for everything in my life, was never given a silver spoon, but I did recieve something that a lot of us older folks did, and you said it, mom was home and new what her 4 boys were up to all the time, uncanny senses, plus the neighbors didn’t help any. Kept us walking the straight and narrow. Pops worked and we did the familiy dinners every night, and everything else was done outdoors…very little TV. Oh how I yearn for yesterday.

        • JeffH

          …to add and answer, yes…The constant accusations and lies about the Tea Party, anybody that owns a gun, comes from the south, is a conservative or even a Republican as being violent, war mongers, racists, militiamen, and pure haters isn’t the wild thoughts of a few meaningless liberals, it’s been promoted by the MSM, the White House, ex-presidents and is just a classic Alinsky tactic.
          “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.”
          Everything is calculated…and has been for the ages.

          We’re only supposed to know what “they” want us to know…the internet kinda put a damper on that one though…what to do?
          Get control of the information network…internet!

          • Sidewinder

            Heres something describing a section of the Patroit Act as it was first passed:

            New definitions of terrorism expand scope of surveillance. One new definition of terrorism and three expansions of previous definitions also expand the scope of surveillance. PATRIOT §802′s definition of “domestic terrorism” (amending 18 USC §2331) raises concerns about legitimate protest activity being prosecuted as terrorism, especially if violence erupts, while additions to three existing definitions of terrorism (int’l terrorism per 18 USC §2331, terrorism transcending national borders per 18 USC §2332b, and federal terrorism per amended 18 USC §2332b(g)

            Legitimate protest activity, political protest, ect, being redefined as Domestic Terrorism. This is from the early Bush era. Political protest=terrorism. Imagine that.

            Real terrorists make demands and commit mass murder until those demands are met.

            What we have in the Patroit Act is pure abuse of our Liberties. Not being able to protest is a direct violation of the First Amendment.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

            THEY SHALL MAKE NO LAW…But they did. Peaceful Protest is assembleing and petitioning the government for a redress of grievances.

            Heres some more:

            Overbreadth with a lack of focus on terrorism. Several provisions of PATRIOT have no apparent connection to preventing terrorism. These include:

            1. Government spying on suspected computer trespassers with no need for court order. §217.
            2. Adding samples to DNA database for those convicted of “any crime of violence.” §503. This provision allows collection of DNA for terrorists, but then inexplicably also allows collection for the broad, non-terrorist category of “any crime of violence.”
            3. Wiretaps now allowed for suspected violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. This includes anyone suspected of exceeding authorized access to a computer used in interstate commerce and thereby causing over $5000 worth of combined damage.
            4. Dramatic increases to the scope and penalties of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

            This is a total violation of the 4th Amendment.

            The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

            And the 5th Amendment:

            No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

            Terrorism is a crime, so the Patroit Act also violates the 6th Amendment:

            In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

            The 8th Amendment, violated….

            Like a 5 year boy old at a NAMBLA Convention.

            I conclude the Patroit Act has NEVER had anything to do with Terrorism. It was passed to keep tabs on Americans, because Americans might not like whats in store for them.
            And to pass this piece of garbage, they needed Americans to be in a state of total fear.

            it is a total assault on the Bill of Rights. My blood boils when I hear people say Bush kept us safe.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Sidewinder, Look, I understand how you feel about your Dad, it was I believe?, I have a damned sore spot for Doctors, who toss the dying Elderly under the bus, like what was done to my Mother.__Trust me, I know, and I can pick a bastard Doctor out, like no ones business!___ Look at it this way, we weren’t attacked again after 9/11, that’s all I’m saying here.

          • timr

            JeffH………….born in 1949, and then, all that CRAP in the 60′s………..Is that ALL you have??, is THAT your take on the American experience for Blacks in the 40′s 50′s and 60′s…..????

            I say this, with as much restriant as possible, but, Were you in a plastic bubble the first 20 years of your life…………Do you have ANY inclination as to what it was like in America for blacks then…………..

            You act as if, the people who fought for civil rights in the 1960′s were, simply, trouble makers………….

            I’m only 47 years old, born in 1962, but THANK GOD, for the younger generation………………………

          • timr

            JeffH……..I honestly, truly believe, that you aren’t a Racist…….but it’s comments like you made, that make me wonder and realize, WHY the Blacks had it so tough……….

            I yearn for the 1970′s again, nostalgically, especially Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath, but not everyone yearns for the days of yester-year in this Country………….

    • http://personalleibertydigest Kerry Bartholomew

      you mentioned Yahweh and how the catholic church did a switching up in name usage seeing that the name Yahweh is not used much in christian world could you send me some information on catholic church or where I might look it up please. I am being made more aware of thier intrucive errors and the rest of what they are doing.
      Thank you

  • HFlashman

    When one realizes the extent of the graft and corruption that took root during the years of Bush/Cheney, it’s amazing that Obama can get as far as he has to rein in the Big Banks and the Wall Street Czars. Any move Obama makes on any front will be met with a “no’ by Congressional GOP and those who can’t think for themselves, that much is obvious. What we, all of us, need to do is a massive outcry that Congress is not in full support reining in the Big Banks who worship their money gods.

    It took eight yeas to place us in a bad economic way…we need to give full support to reversing the basics laid during those years which are so entrenched today that Wall Stret snaps it’s proverbial figures, and the GOP leadership falls into line.

    • Jeep

      Gosh HF you are sooo right (or, left)! It did take eight years (of Clinton) to get this way. And, that darn “party of no” (to more govt, more taxes, more regulation and less personal freedom) what a bunch losers. And, let’s “rein in” those private corporations and then move on to small business too. In fact, let’s just put in a gov’ment regulator in every CEO’s office to tell them how to run their business so that gov’ment gets the maximum benefit. And, again, right you are on that whole “graft and corruption” thing that Bush/Cheney started. Why I, for one, am sooo happy that this administration hasn’t hired any corrupt people! Why they are so clean it ain’t even funny!

      • Sidewinder

        For what its worth, I don’t like the idea of Obama’s Czars. Czars are a position in Russia. We’re not supposed to have things like that in the US. yeah, and I know he’s not the first.

        • Barb

          50 plus Czars Sidewinder! All having authority to do whatever they want, answering only to one man (and I use the term “man” loosely) Osama Obama! They are appointed not elected, they don’t have to answer to the Congress or the Supreme Court and that’s not representative government no matter how you slice it! Not exactly what we are about wouldn’t you say?

        • Marc

          Guess we can blame our “Czars” on Richard Nixon…..

        • Jeep

          SW, you are right on target. I believe it is a good indicator of where things are going. I believe it was Reagan (God rest him) that created the first czar, the “drug czar”. The idea was that he would coordinate the existing and varied efforts of the agencies that were involved in the “war on drugs”. It is not very amusing to take a look at the number, power and scope that these new unelected “officials” have.

    • WarriorH

      Let’s me get this straight because I’m from Illinois, Bush/Cheney are reponsible for ILL being corrupt for “Decades”! These guys were better than I thought.

    • BigBadJohn

      The government has been corrupt since they started taking money for re-election!

      Clinton was corrupt, but Bush took corruption to unprecedented levels!
      Unfortunately, Obama is acting just like Bush!

      Bush gave out no-bid contracts to Military contractors who were affiliated with his VP (who made a fortune off of it). He gave out no-bid contract to a known embezzler, his Brother, who was part of the S&L scandal. He sent 12 BILLION in CASH to his favorite military contractors in Iraq. The most Blatantly corrupt president ever.

      • Sidewinder

        Once again more truth

      • JeffH

        Washington is the center of corruption. Would you think Obama’s agenda isn’t corrupt. Like most politicians, he sold out so he could reshape America with all of his “hope and change”. Yeah, some sell out for the money and others sell their country out for a radical Marxist/socialist/communist ideology.

      • American Citizen

        In actuality the contracts were not no-bid contracts. The government has a list of companies for the kinds of work they do. These companies do bids on certain kinds of jobs “if they come up.” In other words, they are standing bids. Companies such as Haliburton and the kinds of jobs. such as fighting oil well fires, it does are not very many, just a couple if I remember rightly. They have a standing bid for certain jobs. I read this some time ago that that is how the government decides who will get the job.

  • Tone88

    It is such a moronic joke that lemmings like Lena think that Bush invented all our troubles, financial disaster, cancer, the boogeyman, etc. Big Govt is the evil that keeps trying to creep back – and yes, Bush was guilty too – but if you believe that, then it should be obvious that Obama is a hundred times worse. Socialism does not work simply because we humans demand liberty over all else, even when momentarily punch-drunk on illusory nanny-state security. FDR was a socialist scourge – one of the worst presidents ever… Until NOW. You obama lovers are clueless, useful idiots.

    • Raggs

      Your so right about that!

      The only thing these obama worshipers want is to leach off of the tax payers… They don’t realize however that only 48% of us work while the rest ( obama worshiper ).. are sucking the life out of this country…

    • mark

      Tone88, your kidding right? you mean bush didn’t invent cancer and the boogeyman?

      • Marc

        No, Bush didn’t invent Cheney…….

    • Sidewinder

      here are some Bush quotes from my post further down…

      Consider this speech that President Bush gave in December 2003 at the signing of The American Dream Downpayment Act. Heres a quote from Pres Bush:

      “The rate of homeownership in America now stands at a record high of 68.4 percent. Yet there is room for improvement. The rate of homeownership amongst minorities is below 50 percent. And that’s not right, and this country needs to do something about it. We need to close the minority homeownership gap in America so more citizens get the satisfaction and mobility that comes from owning your own home, from owning a piece of the future of America.”

      Heres another one:

      “Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we’re making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. And there’s more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.”

      And yet another from the same speech:

      “Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment but are unable to make the downpayment, and so this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in downpayment assistance to at least 40,000 low- income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals and, at the same time, strengthen our communities.”

      Have we forgotten that the bad policies of the CRA were dramatically accelerated under Pres Bush to the point of creating a bubble? President Bush, seems to wholeheartedly embrace the Comminity Reinvestment Act.

      Bush again:

      “Those who apply for mortgages should be warned about predatory lenders who take advantage of inexperienced buyers. So we’ve doubled the funds for housing counseling services, including those run by faith-based and community groups. We understand that buying a home for the first time is complicated, and we want to simplify the process.”

      In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks.

      Less than a year after Bush delivered this speech, the FBI warned of an “epidemic” of mortgage fraud. According to former financial regulator William Black, “The FBI also reported that lenders initiated 80 per cent of these frauds.”

      Bush dramatically accelerated the policy of pushing bad housing loans and lowered lending standards that were set by CRA.
      The Community Reinvestment Act was put into place in 1977. It wasn’t until Bush accelerated those policies that we found ourselves in a housing bubble. When the bubble popped, it was a total disaster.

    • Sidewinder

      And Tone
      Heres a quick definition of Socialism. The key feature of socialism is State ownership of industry.

      A political theory advocating state ownership of industry

      I don’t see it. We do not have that kind of system. We have Corporatism.

      • BigBadJohn

        interesting thing about corporatism. There are two forms, one the government controls corporations.
        The other form is right-wing (Mussolini) form where corporations control the government.

        Bush’s form of corporatism was most certainly the Mussolini form of corporatism, where he handed the reins of government over to corporations.

        Obama is now try to flip it to the other extreme of government controlling corporations.

        I wish we could just find a safe middle ground, where corporations have regulations to keep their greed in check and provide public safety while allowing them to pursue profit opportunities.

        • Sidewinder

          Thats an interesting take and might just be the case. I was talking to Denniso about that the other day. He/she was saying this is a Fascist system, and I was saying Corporatist. And it was unclear to me exactly who ran who.

          But perhaps the emphasis changes depending on which party is in control….

          Good point.

          • denniso

            Hey guys…it’s true that Repubs turn gov’t over to corporations and Dems try to put corporations under more gov’t control. But that doesn’t make the positions equivalent. Gov’t can get out of control but at least they are generally accountable to voters…they also don’t make millions or billions in office off of tax payer money. Sure, some move back and forth between gov’t and corporations and make big money in the private sector by steering tax money in the right direction, like into big military contracts, etc.
            But when corporations control gov’t we have little or no recourse. We can’t vote them out of power…they can lead us into war for their benefit,like many think happened in Iraq…they can forge domestic policy to fit and enrich their business. They can affect the judicial system to provide more inmates for their private prisons…they can exploit and destroy the environment that we all depend on…the list of what they can do for their own interest when they control gov’t is long.
            Corporate power is also often multinational because of the nature of the global companies, so we can’t even count on a corporate tyranny being all American.

  • TeresaE

    For most of my life, I sat back and wondered about the Hitler era, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao.

    How could millions of GOOD people NOT see what was happening?

    How could they stand by, give up and then, eventually, side WITH such heinous monsters killing their countrymen, families and friends?

    I now know.

    Blame others, hope and ignorance.

    My hope for the future of this country is at all time lows. When masses of people cannot SEE how the destruction of the base of our greatness will lead to the destruction of us all.

    More federal government will do one thing, crush us.

    Sad so many are begging for it.

    This isn’t the America my ancestors fought for. This isn’t the America my grandparents told me about.

    This is the end game. All I can do is try to stop it and try to prepare for the things history has shown us are coming down the pike.

    And it ain’t shared wealth, lollipops and sunshine, contrary to the Obamaites beliefs.

    • Barb

      TeresaE, Extremely well said!!! Thank you! and God bless!

    • Jeep

      TeresaE, a quick study of history will show you that Germany and Italy were reeling from the aftermath of WWI. Both of those nations suffered from high unemployment and millions of displaced people. But, they came from a history of nationalism. The thought that the group was more important than the individual. When the nation’s failed to provide, the people became disillusioned and unable to muster positive reaction. Thus they turned from the nationalistic view to elsewhere. The facist regimes that were swept into power came about from a people whose hope to fill the void left by a failed nationalism was now misplaced in the hope that government could revive and save them. Both Hitler and Mussolini promised to “fix” all the peoples problems with govt solutions.

      America was founded on rugged individualism. This sense of the individual being being more important than the collective is being slowly replaced with the same kind of nationalism that europe has experienced for a thousand years. The libs of our great nation cannot, or will not accept that it does not “take a village” to do anything. They cannot understand that one man (or, woman) with freedom can acheive, survive and succeed. But, take heart! There is an America that will not take regular hand outs, and is willing to take risks. There are enough Americans that will succeed, in spite of govt. In short, America is not europe or russia. We are still an America that will find a way and govt be damned!

    • Al Sieber

      TeresaE,I have to agree with you. some see, some don’t.

    • Time


      This progressive state has been a long time in coming starting with Woody Wilson, every president and congress and senate since has aided in chipping away at our core. Tne results is – NOW we are near the end, so this will work out one of two ways based on logic.

      #1, We will relive the Nazi / Marxist eras of the early 20th century, as they were blue prints on the how to do it, thus the textbooks have been written and the methods mastered.
      We are steps away from this a time line; as far as I can see is 38 months out on the long end.

      #2, OR – Enough will wake up here in the US that the progressives will come to a grinding hault.
      But please do keep in mind that there will be a lot of pain from this too. This will required a 100% total resetting of the whole system.

      *Keep in mind what I noted in the very first few lines – over the last 100 years laws have been written to allow the Progressives to get where they are now, it was slow building for them, it will be slow taking it all apart, as we will need to find all the webs where ever they are and remove them in total or the reset will all be for not.

      • WarriorH


      • http://None James A. Fenton

        My comment centers especially on every real American patriot reading G. Edward Griffin’s monumental tome: “The Creature from Jekyll Island.” And, then picking up a copy of Dr. Jerome Corsi’s recent book: “The Late Great U.S.A.” which very well could be the epitaph for our nation as we have known it – unless this revival of unionism and elitist Hollywood leadership (among others) is stopped.

        The ‘Creature’ covers four generations of ultra liberal leadership and growth of socialism/communism even to the Obama dictatorship as spawned throughout the 20th Century – thanks to a bought out media.

        Time Magazine printing this seems to me a very welcome reversal of policy. For how long has Time been on this side of the issues? I felt long ago Time was one of the principle perpetrators of the ‘crimes’ of liberal journalism and never would write as in the article speaking of “Woody Wilson”… in the aura of respect he truly should have – BRAVO!

        Again, read how the ‘Creature’ is dismantling the America we wish could emerge with integrity – and under God! That creature is the Federal Reserve System which is not federal, obviously has no funds, and certainly shows itself to be no system either. What is sadly lacking in the American mind is an understanding of the thing called money, its origins, its “off-shoots,” what parades as money (fiat)and how it works around the world. READ the ‘Creature’ and you will know the players on the world scene from 1910 to date (2010)- four generations of surreptitious mishandling of every segment of society.

        First, a group of ultra liberal elitist financiers met on Jekyll Island to do just what has happened in that four generation life span. They and their progeny have patiently disassembled the real
        America – unrecognizable to our Founders where they to arrive back on this Obomanable scene. However, he is only a very bad player in the very bad plan (for America and the world at large as we are seeing) hatched on Jekyll Island.

        The plan was to buy the media. Mission accomplished! The plan was to present a plan to disrupt the productive part of the nation and create a vanishing middle class. Mission accomplished! The plan has been to destroy the highly respected American educational system. Mission accomplished! This list doesn’t stop there!

        Now from the pen of G. Edward Griffin on the Creature itself. He speaks of four books in one and I quote:

        * “First, there is a course on money, the basics of banking and currency. Without that, it would be impossible to understand the fraud that now passes for acceptable practice within the banking system.

        * Second there is a book on how the world’s central banks – are catalysts for war. That is what puts real fire into the subject, because it shows that we are dealing, not with mere money, but with blood, human suffering, and freedom itself.

        *Third, there is a history of central banking in America. That is essential to the realization that the concept behind the Federal Reserve was tried three times before in America. We need to understand that and especially need to know why those institutions were eventually junked.

        * Finally, there is an analysis of the Federal Reserve itself and its dismal record since 1913. This is probably the least important part of all, but it is the reason we are here. It is the least important, not because the subject lacks significance, but because it has been written before by writers far more qualified and more skilled than I. As mentioned previously, however, those volumes generally have remained unread except by technical historians, and the Creature has continued to dine upon its hapless victims.”

        In order to wind this up, we would do well to remember the Creature is a cartel having had four generations to promulgate their brand of education against the sovereign nation; concepts our forefathers first established. WE WERE SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUALS WITH THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE OUR OWN DESTINY. REMEMBER THAT!!!

        The original members of the cartel have educated their successor progeny so well the general public has been oblivious to our resounding debt at all levels. Consequently it does not know how to deal with it — Then, along came Obama, Pelosi and the gang of thieves. If we could just take away only their two jets, we could eliminate a large chunk of our debt.

        Much of the history of the past four generations which I have been reading above is far from fact: Fist in this last span of 100 years, came the meeting at Jekyll Island, then came “Woody Wilson” and our first income tax. And, shortly thereafter came the man who I came to recognize through my study in 1936, as the worst president in history – Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Now, worst by far, the current president in 2008 only because people just haven’t with open-minds studied and understood the facts.

        The “rest of the story” – if every politician in Washington and all the state houses across America were audited, we would likely find most incumbents GONE – Our two party has long ago failed us!

        I find it interesting the Germans are sounding a clarion call to: “Wake up America, you are growing rapidly into a “Hitlerism we fortunately have put behind us.” Too, I find it deplorable we have tried everything possible to take us away from an ethical and spiritual foundation – and what has that done for us? A “CHANGE” in that direction is a must!

        • JC

          Good stuff. I’ve read some of those and some other books you don’t mention. I’ve arrived at the same conclusion though. And yes, Germans who know their history are incredulous at how we are standing still while history repeats itself.

  • S.A. Hillcrest

    Due respect to all of you – Obama supporters and Nobama fans – you are all wrong. This move away from what made this nation great has been going on for a VERY, VERY long time. The current wave of diametrically opposed opinions is nothing more than the natural outcry brought about by any change. The faster and more substantial the change, the greater the outcry and resistance. But, I would caution you all – the net result is NOT good. No matter which side you support, if you are not supporting our true heritage, our documented Constitutional charter, and the Christian principles upon with the country was founded and grew to greatness, well, whatever your beef, it is only temporary. God’s will will be done. My only concern is that it “ain’t gonna’ be pretty!” God bless us all.

    • JeffH

      Your words ring true.

    • Sidewinder

      Thats true….

      Hey how did you get a picture? I didn’t see any way to do that.

  • http://SUESEE7649@AOL.COM sue williams


    • Marc

      Maybe you should try a school to keep you informed…


      Also the use of all capitals is like yelling on here, attracts attention but maybe not the best kind.
      And before I get accused of being an “intellectual” for making spelling corrections, I have never completed Junior College… had enough trouble getting out of high school…

  • Sidewinder

    Yeah this article is sure to start a fight at some point. With an opener like: “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”

    I do have to agree with Pres Obama. When your company is going down the toilet, to the point that you expect massive Federal Welfare to bail you out, and you still think you deserve a multi million dollar bonus, then yes, at that point, you have made enough money.

    When your fraud is beginning to have a huge negative impact, then yes, at that point, you have made enough money.

    Obama did say, “I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned.”

    Fraud is not money fairly earned.

    We are in the End Stages of all that Reagan Era degregulation “prosperity.” Even crack feels good when you first smoke it. Check on that person a year later and see if they are still feeling so good. Damage sometimes, takes time.
    Our so called “Prosperity” over the last 3 decades was nothing more than card tricks. It gave us a quick unhealthy rush of economic activity, that was bad for the body in the long run. I believe they are out of tricks at this point. At some point, the party does need to end.
    All the Reagan era borrowing and spending in the form of defense contracts, all that Clinton era stock market prosperity came from where? We know Reagan borrowed for defense, cut taxes, and borrowed the difference. But the stock market wealth…Any gains in stock value were paid for by the next guy, the buyer. His gains came from the next guy, the buyer….but at some point, somebody gets stuck holding the bag with overpriced stock thats not worth a fraction of what they paid for it. Wealth doesn’t come out of thin air. Stupid is as stupid does. Then they left the stock market and made the exact same mistake in regards to real estate investing. Its all been very damaging.

    Unless there is some kinda restructuring, we are going to continue to languish in this mess. The health of the dollar needs to be addressed as well. Perhaps we can print gold backed Treasury Notes and run them along side the Federal Reserve Note, and then phase out the Reserve Note? I don’t know how feasable that is. And I doubt there is any will to do so if it is.

    But no, ASGreen, I disagree that this is a fight by Pres Obama on behalf of the American people. He’ll of course tell us that. But its not.

    Obama is trying to save the corporatist system from itself.

    But either way, the fraud needs to stop, and this is a step in the right direction, but not the final solution.

    • Jeep

      SW, do you really think that Oman is out to bite the hand that feeds him? Are you not aware that in the last elecetion he received contributions of almost 2-1 over McCain from those same “fat cats” he is promising to rein in? And, that the Dems overall received almost 4-1 over Reps? Sure, they would do that…

      • Jeep

        And, I have some ocean front property in Arizona (free from illegal aliens) to sell you, too…

      • Sidewinder

        I am aware of that, I know how it works.
        I don’t see us charging out of this mess into prosperity. They will go along with some type of reform if they can be made to see it will benefit them.

        • Jeep

          SW, I guess I didn’t read between the lines well. I had thought you believed in the “alturistic” nature of any regulation, or reform that this administration would pass. Even if the Dems received more money, I would respond with, “So what?” The fact is, that wall street is heavily invested in both parties, and that is a problem.

    • mark

      very well written Sidewinder, I agree, but on these boards it’s -”Stupid is as stupid does”.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      Sidewinder, you’ll be denying you said all this, just like Peter did about Jesus before the cock crowed, after you lived through what Obama is bringing down on your country, and you’ll pray for those Reagan years and policies to return, but it will then be to late. Just wait and see!

      • Sidewinder

        I don’t think you really understood what I said.

    • sirian


      Check this out – JFK Executive Order # 11110, June 1963. It was attempted before to eliminate the Federal Reserve Note – fiat money, nothing backing it at all, basically Monopoly Money. To further your knowledge of the Federal Reserve read “Creature from Jekyl Island” – amazingly revealing as to how the “Fed” came about and more.

      Millions of new “Treasury Notes” were circulated for a very short period of time as they were fully removed directly after President Kennedy’s assassination in November. As I said, look it up and read it carefully so you will understand what its main purpose was set for. I believe you and everyone else that may look at it will find it very, very interesting.

      • Sidewinder

        Thank you.
        I did say it might not be feasible, and if it was, probably no will to do so.

        LOL! Nobody wants to get shot!



  • Colo43

    i can see a lot of people still need to be enlightened to whats happening and continuing to happen at a rapid pace.
    Pull your heads out of the sand Obama supporters!

  • JC

    More Government + More Corrupt Industry = More Fascist / Economic Slavery. The last thing we need is an imposter to the Presidency who despises America and all it stands for telling us what is good for us.
    Go Obama Go! Back to Africa.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    If you really think GWB was responsible for this recession, I suggest you clik on to the ‘You Tube’ video with Barney Frank’s image, on the right side of the page of the article you are responding to and watch what really happened to put us in the recession. GWB inherited a recession also, which was proven by the governments leading economic indicators for the last two quarters of the Clinton administration, and was blamed for all the jobs lost in his first two quarters as president. But because of the actions he took during his first month as president, after those first two quarters his economy started adding jobs and for the next six years surpassed the number of jobs added during the Clinton administration. Thats why he won re-election to his second term. But six months after his second mid-term elections, which the Democrats gained the majority in both houses of ‘Congress’, and the purse strings to our economy, the economy started on the nose dive that has put us in this recession. Now I know that you liberals and progressives don’t like to see or read history that you can’t revise to your own benefits, but if you really want the truth without the propaganda of the ‘Democrats’, I dare you to look at that ‘You Tube’ video and learn the truth, which
    you will probably disregard anyway while worshiping at Obama’s altar.
    (Doesn’t prophesy say that is what they’ll do for the anti-Christ)

    • Jeep

      Randy, you really have to stop putting things into perspective. It is really hurting the liberal’s credibility.

    • Barb

      Way to go Randy!

    • mark

      yes randy, keep telling yourself what you want to hear…you’re gonna do that anyway. Idiot!

      • Barb

        So mark I take it you are too stupid to know how to click on to that you tube of Bwany Fwanks! Figures!

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

        Look at the ‘You Tube’ video Mark, I didn’t make it or put it there, but I’ll bet you’re scared to look at it. It tells the truth and that you can’t have and still worship Obama.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Randy__Shot Score!!!_Amen my friend! :)

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

        Love the name calling Mark, it shows intelligence, or lack thereof!

      • JeffH

        “mark” has many one liners and nothing else…”stupid is as stupid does” Forrest Gump

      • sirian


        I’m sorry that you are so weak in responding to facts – you do know what facts are don’t you?Did you by chance happen to take Common Sense 101 in the Progressive School of Fools or was it even offered? Ah, simply wondering.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      Now after just about six quaters of the Obama administration and trillions of dollars for stimulus, we are not only not coming out of this recession, but about to go even deeper toward a depression now that there is no more stimulus money left to shore up what economy we still have and the jobs that were supposed to have been saved and created are 95% government jobs only. These government jobs (Teachers, Police, Firemen, Clerical Positions at local, state and federal levels) are now being eliminated due to lost of economic revenue and stimulus depletion. The housing forclosures are still going up because people are now just giving them back because they aren’t worth half what they were when they were purchased and what is owed on them and the commercial realestate foreclosures are just now starting to snow-ball because of all the businesses that had to close are not there to rent these properties. But now we all have to buy health insurance so those who want it supposedly can get it cheaper. Obama and his ‘Democratic’ cohorts are about to give amnesty and citizenship to an estimate 12 to 20 million illegal aliens, some who are 39% of our convicts now serving time in penetentiaries for horrendous crimes. Isn’t the ‘Change’ GREAT! But don’t worry, we can still blame GWB.

      • Barb

        Randy, You’re going to put all the libs on overload, you are making way too much sense! But I thank you none the less!

    • Bob Wire

      Randy, 43 inherited a position and drove the nation in the ground with poor leadership skills. This Barny Frank ruse ~ it worn out ~ that and Acorn fall from grace won’t begin to buy enough paint you need to paint pretty history for 43, sorry. ~ but , I don’t blame you for trying.

      • JeffH

        As Bob Wire continues forward with his 44 Love Festival.

    • BigBadJohn

      “But because of the actions he took during his first month as president, after those first two quarters his economy started adding jobs and for the next six years surpassed the number of jobs added during the Clinton administration.”

      Randy, You really need to lay off of that Kool Aid…..

      Bill Clinton Jobs in millions +11.5 as a percentage +2.6%
      Bill Clinton Jobs in millions +11.2 as a percentage +2.3%
      George W. Bush Jobs in millions +0.01 as a percentage +0.002%
      George W. Bush Jobs in millions +1.1 as a percentage +0.2%

      • refuse2lose

        You need to check your facts BBJ.The only “jobs”Obama is creating is in the PUBLIC sector.Those jobs don’t count,since the PUBLIC sector does not PRODUCE anything but paperwork.And also the birth-death model that our Obama loves to use “produced”188,000 jobs last month.Not one of those jobs can be verified.

        You need to heed the words of your messiah…..don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.We are prepared here on this site,we actually use FACTS to argue points.Unlike liberals like yourself who visit government websites and use false figures.

        • BigBadJohn

          refuse, maybe you are prepared but you certainly CAN NOT READ……

          I never said anything about Obama. If I supoport him or not, or anything about his jobs.

          I was just pointing out to Randy that his notion of how well Bush did with economy – does not hold water!

    • Sidewinder

      Do you remember the Saved by Zero ads shortly after 911 from the car companies?
      Zero% financing. Consumer credit. That pulled us out last time. Now its time to pay the bill.

      I think BOTH parties have been persueing very unhealthly policies for a very long time. I think its finally caught up with us.
      With the Clinton recession, it was caused by spending cuts, and the business cycle cycling after a long period of growth. Collapse of the stock market was another correction after a long run up.

      The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 was instituted to overcome “discriminatory lending practices” in regards to low income loan applicants, ie, minorities. It was amended many times since then. Lending standards were lowered to meet compliance with CRA. Although I am essentially against deregulation, in this case, CRA required banks to follow unsound lending standards. This was supported by all in government, and both Democratic and Republican Administrations.

      But it gets worse.

      In fact consider this speech that President Bush gave in December 2003 at the signing of The American Dream Downpayment Act. Heres a quote from Pres Bush:

      “The rate of homeownership in America now stands at a record high of 68.4 percent. Yet there is room for improvement. The rate of homeownership amongst minorities is below 50 percent. And that’s not right, and this country needs to do something about it. We need to close the minority homeownership gap in America so more citizens get the satisfaction and mobility that comes from owning your own home, from owning a piece of the future of America.”

      Heres another one:

      “Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we’re making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. And there’s more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.”

      And yet another from the same speech:

      “Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment but are unable to make the downpayment, and so this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in downpayment assistance to at least 40,000 low- income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals and, at the same time, strengthen our communities.”

      Have we forgotten that the bad policies of the CRA were dramatically accelerated under Pres Bush to the point of creating a bubble? President Bush, seems to wholeheartedly embrace the Comminity Reinvestment Act.

      Bush again:

      “Those who apply for mortgages should be warned about predatory lenders who take advantage of inexperienced buyers. So we’ve doubled the funds for housing counseling services, including those run by faith-based and community groups. We understand that buying a home for the first time is complicated, and we want to simplify the process.”

      In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks.

      Less than a year after Bush delivered this speech, the FBI warned of an “epidemic” of mortgage fraud. According to former financial regulator William Black, “The FBI also reported that lenders initiated 80 per cent of these frauds.”

      There it is.

      • Sidewinder

        Bush caused the housing bubble.

        And in large part helped throw us into this economic mess when the mortgage crisis blew up.

        George W Bush, 2003:
        “Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we’re making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. And there’s more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.”

  • Commonsense

    All I have to say is,”What hasn’t the government touched that didn’t go into the hole?”. Why is everyone blaming just one president or the other? They’re all screwballs. And before you tell me how wonderful Obama or Bush or Reagan is, show me just one thing the government has tangled in that didn’t turn from a rose into a bunch of thorns? Anyone? And you want them to run more of your life and future? Seems anyone that chants a certain government employee should look a the big picture before crowing.

    • Commonsense

      It seems that no one can point out one positive thing that the government regulates or has a hand on money for that didn’t turn into “in the hole billions”. Damn shame, if I ran my business the way they have run the government, I’d be out on the street on my ear for lousy business practices.

    • mark

      So true common! there is good and bad in all. why some think the D’s are the evil ones is just pure ingrown stupidity!

      • angel-wanna-be

        Mark, your the one who’s stupid, your party’s been hi-jacked by soro’s money and he’s calling the shots! If your seeing rainbows and heart bubbles, when your look to Washington, I suggest you put the koolaide down and take off your, ring around the rosie colored glasses, cuz baby you’ve been had!___Was it good for you???

  • angel-wanna-be

    I wonder what Bambi’s cut off line is, for how much money is too much to make? If that’s the case, then between Obama’s Presidency , his book, and the Nobel peace prize money he was awarded (just for showing up), Obama should be at his limit, pay wise, for a year in a half in office!!!

    • Barb

      Right again Angel, actually I would say he’s over the limit! Especially by one Peace Prize not to mention all the under the table take he’s getting!

      • angel-wanna-be

        I’ve never seen anything like this Barb, every day it’s something else with these Liberal idiots. Thankfully we’ve woken up from our dreams. Although nothing in Washington, is, what it seems, we didn’t have to ask Bush for his birth certificate or be afraid, we’d be put on notice for our opinions. This is just way the hell over the top and unfathomable!

  • Dale

    Randy’s right, start asking questions. This country was founded on hard work and being responsible for ones self. Obamanomics and spread the wealth are and will continue to dismantle the economy. Taking from those that work and giving it to those that do not is nothing more than welfare for the lazy.
    If you think bankers make too much money then become a banker don’t just sit back and bad mouth them. If you want a bigger piece of the pie do something about it, keep your mouth shut, get of your butt and go to work. You are what you are by your own choice. Only can make or change what you are.
    The biggest difference between those that do (capitalists)and those that don’t (liberals) is wanting to know the truth. Liberals are afraid of the truth and do not seek it out. When the liberals begin to question and seek the truth instead of playing follow the leader and running off at the mouth, they too will become leaders.
    Every new government employee increases tax expense and reduces tax revenue. Wake up folks, government employees live off tax revenue they do not pay taxes! Government spending sucks up the economy. Government spending does not and cannot stimulate the economy but rather only returns the money to those they took it from in the first place.
    Keep your pantry full and you guns loaded.

    • mark

      dale, dale, dale, wakeup! the liberals are your leaders.

      • Barb

        The liberals couldn’t lead themselves out of a wet paper bag! They think they are our RULERS but they aren’t and never will be!

        • Raggs

          Barb …you hit it on the nose… “Rulers”…
          That is exactly what we have “rulers”… Kinnda sounds a bit like the old roman empire doesn’t it?.. But I guess this is the “new and improved” version of Rome isn’t it?… Same style same game just a different “Ruler”… Facist ruler… Was Nero a facist?…

        • angel-wanna-be


          • angel-wanna-be


      • JeffH

        Do I hear that hairlipped dog barking again? mark mark mark!

        • angel-wanna-be

          JeffH, I’m still giggling ’bout that!

    • angel-wanna-be

      Pantry full and we have a crossbow!

    • mark

      Dale, you see years ago we were controlled by conservatives, but they thought a 25 cent increase for minimum wagers was bad for the economy, conversely they thought a CEO or healthcare executive making $10,000 an hour was pure American. Dale, do you have health Ins?
      Also Dale, during these years the conservatives thought deregulation was good and would lower costs. Dale, in one instance deregulation saved BP $500,000. for a safety valve and may have saved you .1cent a month in gas, but now it’s gonna cost you and me a lot more! Do you drive a car Dale?

  • Bruce Eden

    Roosevelt, Johnson and Clinton caused the problems in this country. Roosevelt with the New Deal that turned us socialist, LBJ’s “Great Society” that ripped off Social Security to the tune of what is now $50 TRILLION (paid for by each of us for that rainy day and retirement), which could have allowed all of us to retire, but instead became a greedy government tax, and Clinton, who started the economic housing bubble debacle with AG Janet Reno threatening banks who wouldn’t lend mortgages to everyone, including those who couldn’t afford mortgages.

    Don’t blame GWB. Blame the socialist-communist Democrat Presidents, FDR, LBJ, WJC, and now Barack INSANE Obama.

    • Barb


    • Bob Wire

      So if it wasn’t for Democratic the world would be peachy?

      That’s nice thing to know, ~ now if you can make us all believe as you do, we might all live in this perfect world too!

      2010 not considered , the most recent 30 years , 22 we enjoyed GOP administrations. 22 years should offer adequate time for any meaningful correct if we allowed Obama 6 months before we started crying of imperfection don’t you think?

      We had wide spread famine and unemployment when Roosevelt enacted reform , the results of Wall Street gone wild and calloused indifference of big business to the human needs of the people.

      It wasn’t until we strayed from these lessons hard learned, we’ve come full circle again. People lie, cheat and steal, you get enough such people entrenched in any system, the end results assured and living testament, people can’t be trusted with your money, women or children without checks and balances.

      Capital Hill has became a free of all grab fest with lobbyist having their own personal back door and parking spot.

      So I think you over simplify the nature of the problems we attempt to address today with your “Tractor Pull mentality” and team spirit.

  • deepthinker

    To All :

    I think Will Rogers ( great AMERICAN humorist of the last century) summed it up best when he said (& I paraphase) ” Whenever I want a good laugh, all I have to do is look at government ! ”

    We (the American people) have been sold a bill of goods by BOTH parties in the name of protecting us from the “bad guys”.
    Trouble is: ” we have Seen the enemy & they is us ! ” — Pogo

    Benjamin Franklin said it best ” A person who trades freedom for security neither deserves nor receives either.”

    Can’t you people see that this bickering amongst ourselves is EXACTLY what government wants while they do an end-run around our personal freedoms that far to many citizens of this country have fought & died for over the past centuries ????

    I was always taught that in a democracy majority rules. If the people that WE elect to represent us only represent themselves then it is up to us to stop whining about it,get of our collective butts,stop looking for hand-outs & freebies & GET INVOLVED. People in some countries die for the right to cast a ballot while our voter turnouts keep dropping. What’s wrong with this picture people ????


    • Sidewinder

      “Can’t you people see that this bickering amongst ourselves is EXACTLY what government wants while they do an end-run around our personal freedoms that far to many citizens of this country have fought & died for over the past centuries ????

      Very shrewd observation DT. Keep us busy debating Rush Limbagh, and NPR viewpoints, or the virtues of Democratic vs Republican ideology, and while we are doing this, the Steam Train runs right over us. We never get to see the Corporatist system which has ensnared us. We cannot fight what we cannot see.

      Nobody out there that I know of is explaining Corporatism. We only hear about Liberalism, and Conservatism.

      Wonder why that is?

      • Sidewinder

        Its not explained to us, because if it were….
        we would learn that we do not have the kind of representative government we thought we had.

        • Bob Wire

          Well , it’s true we haven’t had responsible government and that’s why we are in this “pickle” we are in today. No argument there! And it’s not just government but big business and the crazy part is for years! they(our government)has “demanded” everyone else to be responsible if it meant spending more money or work doubly hard! Insure yourself! be a responsible citizen! For it’s “your fault” if you can’t pay your bills, it’s your fault if you can’t afford food or medical treatment! But we are going to allow business to outsource these jobs, we gotta to allow them to downsize their responsibilities. And Government too! we are going to get bigger yet be less responsible. Government swelled with wimpy job, jobs of less import while jobs in the FDA seen cuts. ~ Cuts in our control and quality of food products. ~ Not very glamorous around killing houses, or bean field I suppose.

          It’s only Now, as we attempt to address and offer change, in both business and government ~ the people that don’t want and don’t like these changes are lathering up a lynch mob and attacking the administration that’s promised to bring you changes.

          ~ and no! he’s not taking your guns or your freedom of choice regardless what they are telling you and he is a natural born citizen of the USA. The ( GOP) governor of Hawaii posted it on World TV coverage just today after telling everyone so, for many months! Linda is tired of having to tell all the knuckleheads one at a time, ~

          Many would rather believe the lies of the people that resist change then the people offering change as all the while they clamor and claim to want change in government!

          So is you is or is you ain’t wanting change?

          No “Yet but’s!” Change is a coming and your going to feel better in the long run, We’ve been in a downward economical spiral since 1971 really. That’s when I first noticed a change in America and it’s attitude toward working people and I arrive back State Side from Nam. Mobil oil owned Montgomery Wards back then as the curtain started to drop on the American dream. It dropped so slowly few noticed and it only affected and was felt by “some people” in the beginning. But as time passed, more was affected as Wall Street and Big Business played their game with people retirement money, getting bigger, and bigger all the while.

          People like myself, seen our businesses and livelihoods shrink by the year! smaller and smaller. Few would listen as “downsizing” was a common phrase and seen as a smart, responsible thing to do.

          The victims of down sizing where met with indifference for the most part, reeducate yourself, move to India! Just quite whining, your such an underachiever! Your ruining my nice day with your sob story! Hey! I got a life here! and your becoming a nuisance, get at job! get three jobs!

          Something was bad wrong! I really wasn’t sure what at the time or for a long time really. I just knew the nation was in a slow, stall, spin, crash and burn and seemed happy about it!

          43′s administration was just the last in a long line that supported predatory business practices, condoned, sanctioned and assisted by government.

          Many of you still don’t have a clue what’s hit you, some of you grew up in the middle of it all this shifting of values and views, know little else. I feel for you and understand your confusion, you’ve got good reason to be angry ~ But you need to go to the back of the line! I was here first! I’ve been here so long, I’m not even mad anymore, just very disappointed with everyone.

          This administration is trying so hard to get us back to where we left the road and lost our way, years ago. I’m hurt somewhat that people can’t see this and would rather attack him. But you are the same people that’s been so blind all along, I should expect on less of you.

          When you get to be President, you can have it your way or at least you can try! until that time. Educate yourself on the “issues” and vote. If you don’t really know the issues and the people involved , spare us your input and don’t vote!

  • Victor L Barney

    For those who didn’t know, the original Bush supported Hitler in WWII, a communist who didn’t allow blacks memberships, or Jews either!

    • Al Sieber

      Victor L Barney, it was George Bush’s grandfather Prescott Bush, who was caught supporting Hitler. you are right. its all history. half of writing history is hiding the truth.

  • JRC

    I see they let the right wing Nazis out of the asylum again to use the library computers and spam the boards with they’re brainwashed nonsense.

    • angel-wanna-be

      JRC, I see someone left your cage door open as well?!

      • Barb

        Angel, I think JRC was defending the right, and Bush SR. At least I hope he was!

        • angel-wanna-be

          barb, opps, my bad!

  • Bob Wire

    Well written article, I enjoyed it. However the summary commentary contained the usual right wing spin which of course I don’t entertain as anything close to reality but more fear mongering. It’s almost like two people wrote it.

    How dare Obama to behave in such “Presidential Manner” and really think he might make some difference!

    I offer a quote that I’m especially fond of; ” Under Obama’s command the U.S. is veering hard to the Left, a destination that will allow less freedom while creating bigger government. And oh yes, he is also packing the Supreme Court.” ~ I can’t help but grin ! (less freedom for whom?) Big government? indeed, it’s the nature of government to grow for sure, and the more there is to do and keep up with the bigger it gets. As we grow, we require new bigger cloths to cover our size do we not. ~ Who’s ideas was HLS? and why? Is it an important agency? Did this increase the size of government?

    My take on it, Since we were running in a ditch on the right side of the road, any left hard or otherwise, I find most welcome.
    In fact, any left would appear a hard left.

    That’s the problem many failed to understand, The process of governing has “never been” a straight road, but one that twist and often turns back on itself. To stay on the road requires both left and right steering. This is what good leadership should provide. Read the road ! and don’t be rooted (stuck) in some “political” ideology that fail to consider and address road conditions and what lies ahead. We almost ended up in the ditch, rubber side up with the most recent GOP leadership. The first bail-out was Geogie’s if you recall. I know how some of you tend to forget such things.

    Great Article John Myers

    Big Business is not liking this at all ! Unless you are carrying water for big business or a exclusive member of big business you should be “pleased”! If you are neither and still unhappy, they have managed to get into your head somehow and you carry false illusion of reality and how the world truly works.

    An example of this false illusion would be something alone the line of ” If we offer top earns tax decreases this will “create jobs”!

    ( those were some very expensive jobs )

    This has as been tried, and proved false ~ has it not? But this is “right wing” thinking at it finest. History and the record, proves it a falsehood.

    If I remember, Presidents have the job of appointing court justices. Usually someone they like, strangely enough.

    The fight is not over, how is the GOP going to make defeat appear as a win tomorrow? I’m always amazed with the things they dream up and attempt to float passed us as they strut about.

    We have had 30 years of Bubba’s playhouse,endured a “rubber stamp” Attorney General’s office, an SEC filled with green horn college children, Employee’s that wasn’t sleep or engaged in stealing at the Federal lever lived in fear for their jobs that we might somehow be implicated or expose their boss or something they knew. ~ That a bad working environment for anyone, even federal employees.

    There a lot of cleaning house to do. I question if it’s even possible in 4 years. The president needs help, for it’s clear he can’t do it alone.

    Think long and hard about this ~ it’s very important.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Bon Wire Another cage door left open, the President needs help alright, an incompetency hearing.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Bob wire, spelling

        • Bob Wire

          I just love to hear someone attack spelling with a 15 word response that coveys nothing but attitude. That tells me , you’ve got nothing or just lazy with the “good ideas” and comprehensive thought process.

          An incompetency hearing for what? incompetency no doubt, care to expand if it’s not too much trouble. I’d love to discuss it with you.

          • mark

            Bob, angle is just a home-bound troll, pay no attention.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Bob Wire, There really isn’t anything I’d like to discuss with you, I believe in God, freedom of speech, Freedom of the press and my right to my expressio, an expression, that I don’t agree with Bambi’s policies..
            My opinion does not agree with yours and nothing you say, will cause me to see Obama in a different light. Besides, if all you can do is critized someone’s spelling mistakes, your obviously no smarter than I am, your not here to learn, your in here to see how many shots you can in, and stir the pot, get your pay, take your dollies and go home!. :)

          • angel-wanna-be

            Mark, go worship your messiah and thief somewhere else! :)

          • angel-wanna-be

            Bob Wire, your friend Mark spelled ANGEL WRONG AGAIN, spelling lesson please?___:)

          • Bob Wire

            Maybe you didn’t understand, It is “you” Angel that engages in spell correction and no one else.

            And I’m crushed you choose to not expand on these “incompetency hearings”.

            It makes me wonder why you’d bring it forward if you wish to not address it. So we throw stones and go hide do we?

            Like I say earlier, you got nothing, just a malcontent and can’t express it’s true nature or why .

          • Barb

            I was going to ignore you inane rant but then you and Mark got personal here so here goes! First of all Angel corrected her own mistake and you Mark have made so many spelling errors it’s hard to count them all but I will if I must! As for you Bob Wire when a person gets a little riled they sometimes type too fast, you have made mistakes as well. Typos are supposed to be forgiven on this site. If they weren’t you leader American Liberal would have been laughed off long ago and most of his mistakes are pure spelling and grammar errors not typos! Learn the rules or get off the site, all you libs can do is be bullies and try your damnedest to say the right is the violent ones, HA!

          • JeffH

            Barb…very good and understood.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Ok Bob, Incompetency, Obama, Political Corretiveness on the battlefield, treating terrorists better than our own citizens!__Lying and spewing, that thousands of people are dying in the streets without Healthcare reform, and now that it’ passed, the majority of the reform bill WILL NOT be available until 2014??__Have people ceased dying in the streets, since health reform passed, tell me , please?___Immigration, Obama chose to do nothing about it, and didn’t give a damn, until Jan Brewer Arizona, enforced the law, the Feds were suppose to enforce?__Now Obama wants Jan brewer to renig the bill, until the fed comes up with a good as, or better bill?___Threatening to reveal CIA secrets that helped keep us safe from being attacked after 9/11 and up until the Obama take over??___Threatening to close Gitmo, when the damn war on terror, isn’t even over yet?___Then to perhaps allow these terrorists to be tried in our civilian courts, in the same city they mamed and killed 3000 people?___FCC threats to regulate the internet(via utility) and conservative radio, because he can’t take the opposition and has to squash dissent???___Tax hikes in the middle of the recession?___Take over of GM, regulation of Wallstreet, banks?_____should I go on BOB???

          • angel-wanna-be

            Barb, thanks! :)

          • angel-wanna-be

            Mark, I’d prefer witch, “I’ll get you my LIBBY and your little dog too!!”_ Have a nice day! :)

          • Bob Wire

            Hmm? Angle, maybe you should start writing “laws” if you don’t like the one’s the nation was founded on. Don’t you have faith in or laws?

            Some of you folks are really funny, It’s damned if we do and damned if we don’t situation with you. Like a baby that’s soiled it’s self, you created this mess with your support of bad leadership and false ideology and now you sat in it and cry as someone tries to clean you up, your butts galled-ed and glowing beet red.

          • Bob Wire

            Barb says” As for you Bob Wire when a person gets a little riled they sometimes type too fast, you have made mistakes as well. Typos are supposed to be forgiven on this site. If they weren’t you leader American Liberal would have been laughed off long ago and most of his mistakes are pure spelling and grammar errors not typos! Learn the rules or get off the site, all you libs can do is be bullies and try your damnedest to say the right is the violent ones, HA!”

            response; I never offered spell correction ! and ” I say it AGAIN! I just love it, when a someone offers correction and diction ! That’s the first sign they got a head full of “MUSH” and their head best serves as a hat rack.

            and you are the one attacking me ! Barb or do you fail to see that! ~ I only stand my ground as the two of you attempt some feeble attempt to offer offense with spell correction, labels, party bias and unsolicited threats. It didn’t work, sorry ! Maybe you could stand to read the rules or be somewhere other then here?

            Enough, back to the thread,

            Quote;”I hate Wall Street, but I hate big government even more. The last thing America needs is another FDR.”

            Well evidently you don’t hate Wall Street near enough! And FDR offered America leadership when leadership when was needed in the worst way ! As Mr. Potter has absconded with money and Wall Street still a chump for a sucker bet! ~ The games over! That this same crowd of ” Joe Potatoes wannabe’s” have brought us to the same place but different time, no accident. ~ Lax Reg’s, no oversight, arrogance and greed will get us there every time!

            If You say “No” then I’ll say, ” You harbor foolish notions about the world you live in and Wall Street is the last place you need to be anyway.

            We don’t need another FDR, ~ we need some people hanging from the highest tree! ~ or street sign as it maybe. For all to see and understand, stealing carries a penalty where you steal with pen or gun.

            and another thing, Define , “Big Government” so I might better understand what big government is. I understand a dislike for superfluous government. Unnecessary, over the top, uncalled for government. ~ Government is comprised of many parts, which parts do you take exception to? Is it their largeness that offends? or their function?

  • Mick for thought

    Since Reagan’s era the deregulation drum has been beating and the message was a simple one. Regulation costs tax payers money and why regulate honest American business men when they can regulate themselves. Slowly regulations either went away or funding or employing regulators dropped until they could not effectively do their jobs.

    The problem with this concept is not all business men are honest. In fact many are so dishonest they have no regard for their country or their countrymen. Many will do anything to boost greater and greater profits regardless of the risks. Look at some of the results of deregulation.

    Near complete collapse of financial system because of careless gambling with investors money on Wall Street. Selling products to investors they knew were garbage.

    A massive oil slick that may end up being the largest environmental and financial disaster to hit our gulf cost in history because unlike 95% of other oil producing nations there was no automatic shut off valve at the source. Even Brazil, Venezuela and Iran use these automatic valves. Cheney and George W blocked that regulation from even appearing before congress.

    We have medication contamination and ecoli and other organisms in our foods that were never an issue for 60 years until the federal inspectors were reduced by 95%.

    Well I have to go to work now and I am sure someone will keep stirring this pot while I do my 12 hour shift. God bless to all you thinkers in the room and to all you screamers go do some homework instead of quoting Rush and Glen.

    • mark

      Thanks Mick! Take care bro.

    • Barb

      BP is BRITISH PETROLEUM not American! And where was the EPA they are supposed to inspect all those wells? Also Where was Obama’s administration when all that ecoli tainted food all the way to the consumers? HMMMMM? He was going to change EVERYTHING! Yeah for the worst!

      • Mick for thought

        BP is British in name only. The valve that was in place was legal per our regulations but not in the rest of the world. How long do you think it will take to correct 30 years of deregulation?

    • Sidewinder

      Yeah, you said it Mick.

      In fact I did quite a bit of reading a while back about Sociopaths. Those without conscience….those who cannot experience love.
      Their main goal is to win, for them, there is nothing else. They tend to be high achievers, unbound by the limits of conscience.

      They gravitate up the Corp ladder like rats excaping a flood, attracted to positions of power. Unfetterd by the limits of conscience.

      They do not experience fear like normal people.
      The worst part, is they pass for normal, being excellent mimickers of human compassion.
      Sociopaths comprise 4% of the population, in a country of roughly 300 million thats 12 million sociopaths.

      I think this may account for a lot of our trouble.

      Lock’em up!

      • JeffH

        …sounds more like a politician…a common denominator maybe?

        • Sidewinder

          Exactly…they gravitate to positions of power. Their coldness is looked upon as a virtue by Corp America, and probably in government as well.

          • Mick for thought

            So with all that in mind, who do you trust to manage the business of our nation when it all boils down to only sociopaths want the job?

  • refuse2lose

    I am wondering at what point will Obama tell himself “enough is enough”.I mean,between him and Michelle they made over 5 million last year.Personally I think that should be plenty for anyone,especially someone who just said that at some point we have to say “enough is enough”.Maybe he should listen to his own words for once instead of asking us to do what he says and not what he does.

    We have the worst president ever in our history,he expects us to live as paupers while he and his liberal elitists live like royalty.And the mental midgets who follow him for some reason think he is not talking to them,that only the opposition will suffer from his policies.Like I have always said……


    • Harald

      Pls describe your understanding of liberalism.

    • Mick for thought

      Did ok for a mix raced kid from a single parent home who was ultimately raised by his grand parents. 10 years ago he was spending over half of his income just trying to pay off his student loans.

      • Barb

        Sure he did. Then he went under the iron hand of Soros, amazing how fast you can become a billionaire when you are just a community organizer ain’t it?!AND he went to college on tax payers money he didn’t have to pay off any loans!He was a poor “black man” after all! He got a free ride on us! Wake up and drink some coffee, sheeesh!

        • Mick for thought

          He got rich writing 2 best selling novels. Yes he did have student loans and help from a partial academic scholarship from Harvard. I recommend you stop listening to Rush and Glenn and do some independent research.

          • Barb

            This was the little bit of info that came out before he ran for president. Try finding any personal info on the SOB now, real info that is! It’s been buried or burned! I do my own research Pal so should you! He went to school as a foreign student also, that was the aide he got and that was NOT an Academic one, you have to be smart to get an Academic Scholarship even if you are a crook and HE IS NOT SMART!

        • denniso

          It still amazes me…the rightwing pretends they don’y like ‘elites’,then they vote them into office…the two Bush’s for example. A mixed race man coming from a broken home and no father around,pulls himself out of poverty and makes it to the top, and they hate him. Why? because he’s a liberal? because he’s mixed race? because he’s smarter than they are?

  • Raggs

    I particularly like the photo on the cover of time with the hat…

    It represents obama as a thug and a gangster…

    I couldn’t of said it any better!!!!!

    • JeffH

      I got a good chuckle out of it also.

      • Debo

        Why should you get a chuckle? Oh, I know why, because Raggs and you are two of a kind, dumb and dumber, like two peas in a pod. For Christs’ sake get some smarts. Has hate dulled your ability to reason?. In any rational thinking person’s mind President Obama is a success, given the challenges in his life. I am damn sure most of you with a college degree wouldn’t voluteer to help the lest fortunate among us. I know I wouldn’t have, so give the guy a break. The money he made was from writing his books, I sure hope you don’t begrudge him that. Have an original thought and stop drinking the echo chamber’s cool aid. I have observed that most of what is said on this site have no basis in fact. It is all propaganda,innuendoes and paranoia. Take a chill pill and relax, there’s more to life than hating. Peace.

    • Jeep

      Surely you recognize that this is taken from a photo of FDR…Very fitting and funny.

  • EltonJ

    Boss Tweed is alive and well in the White House.

  • Bob Wire

    I liked it too! but unlike you, I don’t see a gangster or thug but history repeating itself much as the artist intended.

    The darkest in your heart affects you vision.

    I confess, there is more then just two of you ~ there probably enough people sick with this to fill every bed in every hospital in America.

    That’s why I’m here, to treat the ill. I can do no less, it not for me but for those that follow. I have little to gain and really need to focus on other matters. But the cry of the ill fall strong on my ears and so I stay.

    • angel-wanna-be

      BOB WIRE, your here to treat the ill eh?—Where’d ya study Medicine, the Kevorkian School?

      • Barb

        Here here! I’m thinking that Bobby here could be Am Lib in disguise just about as dumb, don’t you think?

        • JeffH

          Barb…he’s far to witty and advanced for Am Lib.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Barb and JeffH, CHEERS :)

  • DaveH

    Up to this comment Bush’s name was mentioned 74 times. Obama’s name was mentioned 64 times. So Bush got more coverage than Obama in the comments. Yet he has been gone for a year and 4 months.
    Get over it Liberals, Bush is no longer the president!
    What a bunch of dweebs. I was definitely not a Bush fan, but Obama wins the contest hands down for unraveling our freedom and building the size of government. Now, I understand that you Liberals are willing to give up your freedom for 20 pieces of silver, but don’t give up mine. I’ve never known such a bunch of whiny, greedy, immoral people before I started reading the Liberal comments on this board.

    • Sidewinder

      Yeah but Dave…
      his damage is still with us.

      No, I’m not a Liberal, I just HATE Bush.

      • DaveH

        Hate him all you want, but we’ve got a major problem in our country and it serves no purpose to dwell on Bush.

        • JeffH

          …wiser words have not been spoken…

        • BigBadJohn

          Agree Dave no sense in dwelling on the past. However, do you think putting the same people that screwed the pooch back in power is the correct course of action?

          Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me…..

          • DaveH

            No John. But then I haven’t voted for a Republican president in my entire life (60 now). I always vote Libertarian unless there isn’t one on the ballot, in which case I would probably vote for anybody but a Democrat.
            My girlfriend urged me to vote for McCain in the last election because we both recognized the smooth-talking Obama for what he was. I agreed that we would be screwed if Obama was elected, but I could not bring myself to vote for McCain. So I voted for a Libertarian. It was the closest I have ever come to voting for a Republican Presidential Candidate.

        • Another Voice

          You are right. As long as we keep sending the same old goons back to congress, the longer we have to tolerate this mess. It’s our fault that we’re in this mess. Blaming Bush is just a cop-out.

  • 3rd worlder

    If you want to assign blame for today’s socialism, go back 100 years. Beginning with Teddy Roosevelt’s anti-trust laws for every one except the Federal Reserve, the ABA and the AMA to find the source. None of them have been touched since then and Obama will compliantly do the same. The healthcare law was a good example of this type of government.

  • DaveH

    More questions:

    There are 3 parts to this video.

  • Robert

    robert says the founding fathers gave us freedom. we are losing all our freedoms now and you think our government is ok today? I prefer freedom. the bigger the government the smaller the people. next step dictatorship. you choose.

    • DaveH

      The question is, Robert, how do we overcome the lure of the trough to get through to the Liberals?

      • Barb

        Excellent question DavidH!

  • Robert

    by the way Fdr stole all the gold from the people. he said they would be paid for it or it would be returned later.75 years later and it has never been paid back or returned. and you think he was the greatest president. no he was a liar and theif.

  • Robert

    you tell the people and vote them out. start with your neighbors and family.

  • JeffH

    Obama: “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money” says volumes about the man’s ideology, like “spread the wealth”.

    After saying that Democrats don’t begrudge success that’s “fairly earned,” Obama then ad-libs — and reveals more about himself than he probably wanted:
    We’re not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy.

    Compare that to his remarks as prepared for delivery:
    Now, we’re not doing this to punish these firms or begrudge success that’s fairly earned. We don’t want to stop them from fulfilling their responsibility to help grow our economy.

    He should have stuck with the TelePrompter. The President doesn’t get to decide when people have “made enough money.”

    • mark

      Jeffy boy, could you please use quotations when referring to what others say. This could help your argument, as it is, you sound a little…well, stupid.

      The Reich wing appreciates useful idiots, but be warned, the job is temporary.

      • JeffH

        Sorry to confuse you with the “link” that was posted. I understand, you being a three legged canine and all. Oh, did you ever find the guy that shot yer “paw”?

        mark mark mark

        • JeffH

          Forgot to tell you, you’ve been demoted back to the minor leagues with your identical twin brother, you know the gabby one..i41

    • mark

      Oh, I forgot. mark mark mark!

      • angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, just like a buck toothed cow says__MOOF!

        • JeffH


        • mark

          angle, breather from the pantry I presume, please don’t speak with your mouth full! moof? what are you trying to say girl?

          • JeffH


          • angel-wanna-be

            Moof to you too JeffH___lol

      • Bob Wire

        what’s that? “mark mark”, a hair lipped dog?

  • chucky

    Wall street and the federal government are just like Bernie Madoff. The only difference is that they have the printing press(U.S. Treasury) to keep them afloat. Think about it

  • Another Voice

    This is a big country with over 300 million people. Like it or not, ‘big government’ is here to stay. It’s just a matter of whether or not we want good government or lousy government. Republicans don’t believe that the government can ever do anything right, and when they are in power they set out to prove it by gutting all of the agencies which protect American society. I don’t know why Republicans even bother to run for office in the first place – other than to be in a position to channel our tax dollars toward their buddies.

    I still believe that it is possible to have good government and to be able to strike a win-win bargain between the American people and big corporations. I’m happy with President Obama’s efforts to govern from the center and to build up the government agencies so that they can actually do their jobs for a change.

    I was especially happy to see the Senate pass a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, and I hope that the final financial reform bill will plug all of the loopholes which would let the Wall Street banks continue to gamble away our 401K contributions.

    • JeffH

      Gee, if I didn’t have a backbone I might say something like this: “Like it or not, ‘big government’ is here to stay.”

      Can I take a guess and say you think Democrats have done a great job and just accept the “big government” both parties created as bipartisan accomplices?

      Ever heard the cliche “waste not want not”?

      • Bob Wire

        You ever hear of Home Land Security? excepting it, we determined, the FBI and CIA couldn’t do they job they were commissioned to do and we needed “more” government to squabble over budgetary concerns and associated “infighting” that goes on between Agencies and Departments. ALL brought to us by; “The previous administration”. You know the one, the one we still carry a bullet in the gut from and still struggle to get around , while so many things were left undone, not completed. But we’ve got a nice border fence in the deal, built by Mexican Day labor no less! Made of 460 weathering steel, never needs painting! The Coyote just loves the fence idea and I expect a Christmas Card as demand for his services doubled.

        You ever hear of PRO Life ? like there might be some Anti Life lurking somewhere.

        Funny stuff!

    • Raggs

      Hey voice…I hope you really don’t believe that stuff..
      But I guess it’s true what they say…
      It takes all kinds.

  • http://gmail i41

    Will Roger was a democrat and supported FDR. The Kenndey’s got their money from bootlegging and selling scrap iron under the table, and ran prositution out of his connections to speak easys, was another whore hound and a crook like his sons and the following Kennedys perpetuatal clan. Great socialists models for tail sucking dems. TR the original RINO, promoted by Wilson to get him elected as a progressive, when that didn’t happen, the break off dems tried as the Soil Party, and is now become the Democrat S–T Party, the only thing you can say is all dems are taking this counrty deep in to the third world S–t hole of socialistic world. Don’t hear any no minded dem complain of, the fact USA is loaning borrowed money to the socialist IMF to bailout another socialist government, which if it isn’t every paid off is just rolled over, no interest paid for them, the taxpayer picks up the interest. Greece got their ass in a jam for the socialist union retirement pensions. Heh, you numskull dems hear the warning bells, with your head in past the brown, into to the red zone, with the close ties to unions? No degress, I doubt if any of you Onumnutted worshippers would have the mental capicity to reason through the facts. As for Whorehound Clinton he started to look good when the Republicans took over Congress, Bush decided to go along when the Dems took over in 2006. I realize by the posts that dems really don’t understand how the branched are supposed to work, unless it is totally cntrolled by dems, When Bush had a Republican majority their was fighting with Bush on both parties, With Onumnut, dems sit in the chamber pot bobbing up and down to agree and do his bidding, name one that has spoke up, even Hector the Spector, goes along with the wanna by muslim President/ dictator’s wants.

    • Bob Wire

      So what you got against working women? ~ You wish to deny women their history, achievement and rewards? You judge them don’t you? You think you are greater the woman?

      You know,if it wasn’t for women, you’d not be here. So cut the crap about women and attempting to defer guilt and blame while passing judgment speaking sanctimoniously.

      The Kennedy’s is indeed a sorted story but speak with some reverence or be cursed by your own tongue. They gave at the “office”

  • JW

    Carter and Clinton are the people that created the housing bubble!

    • Raggs

      ACORN’s and obama!!!!!!

    • Bob Wire

      and Smith & Wesson created the Peace Maker

      and a lot of men died, so what’s your point?

      • Bob Wire

        oops,! Samuel Colt ~ sorry!

  • Raggs


    My I correct you on something..
    Our founding fathers did not give us our freedom.
    This country ingaged in war with the Brits and won our freedom from tyrany. The founders created a document to ensure our freedoms were never to be taken from us by tyrants ( such as obama ).

    The current government thinks also that they “GIVE” us our freedom and rights… This is totally misguided and FALSE…
    This is another example of indoctrination by the progressive movement.

    The government has a job to “ensure” our rights and freedoms are not infringed upon but they however flip-flop and use tatical means to take away our rights.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Raggs, Bullseye!

    • Barb

      Raggs once again You are sooooo right!!! Well said my friend! Bravo! and all that stuff!

    • Jeep

      I believe the term I read somewhere…hmmm…some document…it was something about inalienable rights. Let’s see, “inalienable” – not transferable to another or capable of being repudiated. Yeah, that’s it. Something we had before the govt came along. And, something they cannot take away, but are supposed to protect.

    • Bob Wire

      Hmm? Quote; “The current government thinks also that they “GIVE” us our freedom and rights… This is totally misguided and FALSE”

      So what has happen or been said to make you believe this is so? and the current government being? “the Obama administration? You are bright, convince me of this.

      Or do you twist and offer spin?

  • http://gmail i41

    another voice, have you every had to build a business or run a business, or even ranch or farm? Doudt it, just whining about cutting agencies, they are filled with “educated” college trained pee brains, who have good reading skills and not a clue what the hell they are supposed to be doing with desired effects, but impede business by slowing development of anything and creating paper work. All of the wonks are government idoits, and appointed not elected. Now Omoron wants to split agencies and increase them to a greater determent of the economy. He is soo disgusted or so he says on oil blow out, “another disaster to shove his green bull down our gullets”, the oil just will not shut off! He is out of the classroom and doesn’t know squat what is happening,didn’t hsppen in class, or in any country he lived in. Watching the pomptous assed senators asking questions, what a bunch of don’t know s–t what they are asking or talking about. If the questions were put together by their staffs, another bunch of degreed know nothings, I see why the founding Congres couldn’t get any bill passed unless everyone agreed, should return back to that model. Then the people wouldn’t have so much greif after every session of Congress. I see the no minded socialist dems are bring up cap and trade, their muslim wanna be Dictator has told them to fall in line and do as he says, bob and duck. Watch your energy bills go up over 92% as our power cooperative points out, so the greenies had better like eating grass and cow patties for nutrition, and kill more bambis and endangered animals for hides to stay warm. You libs might want to have Sarah teach you house to hunt and fish and live off the land, Onumnut only has his food prepared by chefs and flew in, of course with all the wilderness areas and no road policy in parks, several of you liberal will be an easy tasty meal for bears and other scanvangers, no hide, no claws and no sharp teeth, sweet eating, need I forget you cann’t carry a smoke stick on government land, rocks are pretty futile. One bite from a cougar and you toast, and they do like humans, check out Colorado, game control person didn’t think so until she had to post a killed cougar, and remove bones and body parts!

    • mark

      i41, get back on your meds!

      • Sidewinder

        Yeah, I don’t know, i41 seems impervious to any new ideas that don’t fit his belief structure.
        If he’s not familiar with it, then its communist or Democratic or something….

        What are you gonna do?

  • JeffH

    i41, sometimes I think you were sent here by the liberal left. Do you do anything else beside rant and rave and babble?
    No offense meant, but you need a “new wardrobe”!

    • Raggs

      AMERICA needs a new wardrobe!!! not that “change” stuff.

      The only change we are getting is spread around the corrupt block and ending up in the hands of entitlement organizations once it bounces off of the unions.

      • Jeep

        I think this administration is wearing the “emporer’s new robes”.

  • lighterknot

    My biggest fear is that you idiots represent the great majority; where’s the only light house on this ignorant sea of hate…American Liberal you are missed.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Lighterknot__Oh Harriet, I hear a thousand tiny violins!!

    • Raggs

      Knot-> Save America..Move to China…

    • Barb

      lighterknot, Boyhowdy do I feel ever so sorry for you! WOW!

    • Right Wing

      tangledknot…you are a voyeur only awaiting the verbal prowess of your hero american liberal. You are right to fear that we are the majority. Move back to france.

  • http://gmail i41

    I guess we have abunch of not only social democrats but several rinos. So lets all sing kum by ya, and just compromise, as long as we don’t hurt some liberal feelings and they potty in their diapers, compromise is a sign or poor leadership and no backbone. Most mealy mouths will not tell it like it is and stand alone if they have too. Must have been a good day for the wimps and liberals to scream for more pablem and government intervention. Ever compromise you can never gain, an old socialist dem trick, keep chewing away knocking off the corners of a stand.Ever see a dem compromise that doen’t want more next time, name one that doesn’t. Wimps and libs go whine to Freeky Fraud Farkin and Smurfy Graham. Cann’t stand facts go to Greece or Cuba!

    • Barb

      i41, The problem is you are hard to read and even harder to understand at times. So we have a hard time figuring you out! I think but I’m not sure, but I think you are on the right side. But again not sure sometimes! See?

      • Raggs

        Hey that tatic is being employed by the progressives.

        The ole you see where I stand trick!!!!

        You know… Listen to me I know what is best for you…
        But oh by the way IT’s going to cost you! BIG!
        But we choose not to tell you about that until we get it passed through a backdoor in the dark, behind your back procedure we have up our sleeve that ran down our pants sceem we made up just today and your stuck with!!!!!

        • Raggs

          Damm that sounded a lot like the health reform…. Go figure.

          • Barb

            Thanks Raggs I needed that!

        • JeffH

          In some ways i41 sounds very similar to nickwolf but in a righthand sorta way.

        • Bob Wire

          i41 sound more like a brother I had. As children we had to share a bed while he had this “habit” of wetting in bed. Each morning, we both woke up looking very guilty! Some facts are very mislead!

          As far as “who knows what’s good for you, ~ I think and see it more as the system was designed for a majority to rule. Same system that was in effect where the RNC controlled the house and senate. The DNC endure the same insufferable situation from the right and their pompous demure.

          I would be the last person to deny the RNC the rewards and benefits of their many achievements. The system is a double edged sword and cuts both ways. The RNC has just became too use to getting their way, after 22 of the last 30 years in control and not use to the position of not being truly relevant, must like the Previous Administration refereed Jimmy Cater to being, when he weighted in on a point of conflict a few years back.

          That the RNC has “worn out” the rule of filibuster is worthy of note here, I give them credit for going down in flames. But I fail to see how this obstruction to “ANY and Everything” serves America’s best interest and find it very un-American in tone, nature and practice. Why can’t the RNC accept the fact they lost the general election and fail to hold a majority in the house?

          They’re time will come again, I promise, Not sure when, I think the RNC has shot it’s self in the foot too many time lately but they are not dead yet! They just limping and hobble around making great noise like a wounded monster gasping it’s last breath, attack everything in reach that tries to help them, not knowing friend from foe.

          We need to understand ” Big Noise” is only big noise and being the loudest won’t grant you control. got it?

          Come forward with good ideas would be a welcome change ~ not to discount the few the RNC has managed to offer up.

          For starter, anything with the word “party” in it , shuts me down. ~ There no time for a “party” , it’s time to work! ~ Tea Party, Grand Old Party, ~ what next? There’s way too much partying going on ! get to work ! and stand accountable for what you’ve done and not done.

          The RNC parties too much! ~ do something for the good of the nation. Produce something beside noise!

  • Sidewinder

    You are absolutely right i41…I finally get it…
    Its the socialists like Obama that have ruined America. Before Obama everything was fine.

    I give up…

    • Raggs

      If you give up they throw you in the welfare line.
      Then they win….. Don’t let them do that….

      But if your anywhere near a city you may think about leaving…
      This Arizona thing will soon lead to blood and ripple outward…

      Marshal law introduced by none other than chief dictator obama..well you know.
      He needs civil unrest to quench his thrist for power.

  • Anthony

    Item 1: Make ALL derivatives ILLEGAL – Ban them!
    item 2: Make ALL shorting…. ILLEGAL – Ban it!

    Re-new Glass-Steagal exactly as originally written – no Chris Dodd re-write.

    Erase the Bill Clinton re-write of the FANNIE MAE MISSION STATEMENT
    Return it to the original Mission Statement and forbid any future changes.

    I have two others – but need to the link(y)s for your edification.

    However, this is a start…… a real good start.

    Oh, I would offer that NO insurance companies be allowed to hedge their funds on wall street, ever. After 911, everyone’s insurance fees, like on Mortgages, and vehicles, quadruppled overnight, for no real reason – other than (guess what) they were affected with gambling our money. All Insurance Companies were in effect pulling an ENRON and after 911, they had to cover their own loses and this is how they did it – and the Media were told to SHUT UP.

    • Anthony

      Quickly – if a stock takes a loss – ALL BONUSES CANCELLED

  • Anthony

    (i)41 has some pretty good rants here…..

    He is missing the one cog, that makes it all come together.
    He needs to read (or get the audio CD on Ebay) Creature from Jekyll Island.
    He then needs to read the history of the Rothschilds

    After that ? Man, Watch out !!!

    • JeffH

      Anthony, I see you’ve done some homework.
      Rothschilds? Quite a history and I have no doubt about the Rothschilds role in the worlds economic meltdown nor do I have any doubt that the Rothschilds are somewhere in the shadows orchestrating, playing puppeteer. The Rothschilds history of manipulation dates as far back as 740AD.

    • Al Sieber

      Find the History of The Rothschilds at: “i’am the witness .com

  • Claire

    In lieu of everything that is going on in the world, I still hold to my statement that both parties are the cause for the mess we are in. I don’t put the fault on a certain party, they are both guilty of corruption, incompetency, greed, mismanagement, and on and on. In fact, I wish both parties would disappear. Become defunct. I will vote for the person, providing a good honest person steps forward and runs. If I don’t consider the person to be honest, then I won’t vote for him/her. I am disgruntled with all of them.

  • http://gmail i41

    I have been around enough union numskuls and hard core dems to know their isn’t a moderate or a smart socialist democrat. Onumnut and his bootlickers are just about in total control. Disprove my point. Democrats want to live off of everyone else, dems feel they shouldn’t have too work over 8 hours a day, need someone to take care their owees, not have to think about effects of stupid decisions. Omoron is a prime example, pinheads will not and can not get their pointed skulls around that fact. Only problem rinos and simple minds don’t have a clue, this will not just stop in a few years, it will last for decades if not the demise of the USA. Either your funny books don’t teach facts that tell you the UN is wanting Omoron to be their cheif planner and leader for junk science climate change. How many times does the UN council vote against the USA, over 95% of the time, when we pay more than 40% of the funding. You socialist dems and feel good rinos think we need the world’s approval to do anything, tell the dictator socialist world to go suck a rope. We save their sorry asses, feed them, protect them, even the diaperheaded muslims. Do the receiptants thanks us or pay us back no. No they kick our shins, try to kill us, and ask for more help. I don’t think any fellows of the smuck dems ask Omoron, where we are supposed to get all this dream cash. Tax us more or beg his muslim stoneaged nuts to carry our debt? Democrats and unions are both of the same cloth, cann’t stand up by themselves or do a damn thing alone, have to have a group think and a committee to dream up a problem. Snake, no you don’t get it or should I say am lib, any progressive has and will continue to destroy the USA. Wilson, TR, FDR, Clinton, and Omoron. The same for Rep Presidents that wouldn’t stand up to democrat Congresses. Nixon. Ford, both Bushes. Glad some real people with some backbones got the hell out of Washington and east coast and went west, trouble the girly boys took aboat trip to the west coast, they shared a cabin and when they landed, moved the cabin with them, where we now have a onclave of liberal socialists. Still waiting for any you liberal pinheads to tell me one thing the progressives have done right that has helped advance this country of businesses or individuals. Scratch you backsided brains and come up with a few or just one. Ever progressiver idea hurts the nation in one way or the other, some times several times over. When the USA went to Presidents that were out of colleges and not out of business or the military, the USA slowed down and now is on a down ward spiral. Disagree with those facts, theories don’t create jobs just like government s don’t!

    • Raggs

      ON target!!!

      however the progressives and democrats are one in the same and of course several repubs fall in the same crap covered spooning whirlpool.

    • Rod OH

      There is asolutely nothing of substance in your “post” at all. Nothing but “soundbites, name calling, mis-labeling and mis-statements”. How pathetic.

    • Bob Wire

      Quote; Disprove my point. Democrats want to live off of everyone else, dems feel they shouldn’t have too work over 8 hours a day, need someone to take care their owees, not have to think about effects of stupid decisions. Omoron is a prime example, pinheads will not and can not get their pointed skulls around that fact.

      Just as soon as you make one, I’ll be most happy too! For now, you paint with a wide brush, slopping unflattering paint everywhere and on just about everyone on the left yet expecting some detailed rebuttal.

      I have none to offer, for I fail to see your point. ~ What is a Socialist Democrat to you, who or what is “Omoron”? ~

      I’ve worked since I was 12, on the farm and as an electrician helper. at 61 my experience in the Skilled Labor is vast, I’m still working and seen no end to it, ~ I’ve worked in a Union Environment, working on 500 Lb, bomb lines, worked Aerospace as a machinist (before shipping out to Nam), while I was young and the work pleasant, I felt held back by unions as well, but I was 18 and knew “everything” ~ Today, I employ and create job and direct younger men as I guide them through the process of “generating wealth, feeding and clothing their growing families. I am a Democrat ! Not a Giveme crat! this term represented a small group of people that truly offer no politic ideas or affiliations. They are lead by prevailing winds and live off “handouts” and I resent any association. Do you understand where I’m coming from?

      So back off, take a deep breath, state your position and reframe from generalizing and using cute words that only you seem to understand their meaning.

      Unions have a place, ~ but they surly not the final answer to every and all “labor” problems and can well be a part of the problem, much like government.

      So you really don’t know and can’t define what or who a democrat is! They’re just not you! ~ So make you point, and I’ll be the first in line offer my opinion of it’s merits.

      Articulate your position without making sweeping generalized assumption about what and who other people are. Point out the “unfairness” and why it’s unfair or just plain incorrect.

      Lacker, slacker, sandbagges, carpetbagges, lackys, brownnosers, bootlickers have always been part of the fabric of every society since Cain killed his brother Able. So gain some prospective on such matters and redirect your quandary.

  • eddie47d

    Refuse to lose,8:33am; Obama made 5 mil.over books being sold. Just like Sarah Palin. Neither one of these persons can control whether they will make $5.00 or $5 mil.over a book deal. CEO’s deliberately raid their own companies for hugh salaries and bonuses.They manipulate our economy like they are an independent nation unto themselves. Then they want the government to bail out their excesses. That’s the difference. You say “liberals are a mental disorder”. I think you are the one with a disorder. Too much B.S. in your morning ceral. Your also the one who couldn’t read at 8:33am so go check it out.

  • Rod OH

    “I hate Wall St but I hate big government even more”…what a bunch of garbage that statement is. A deregulated, unregulated Wall St just about “trashed our country” and you make that stupid statement. What just “happened to us” could happen again unless our Government reintroduces sound rules and regulations that conservatives have “STRIPPED AWAY” from us and left the consumer unprotected, over the past 20 years. Until the out of touch dumbed down conservative electorate ”
    wakes up” and figures out what has been done to them by the very politicians they have supported, politics will remain as divisive as ever and the gap between rich and poor will only get bigger.

  • eddie47d

    So John Meyers hates big government and will do anything to stop it.He says he hates wall street and all their dirty deeds……but he’s willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with wall street to keep govt. regulators out of the way. That’s why Wall St. has one big gotcha smile on it’s face. In other words nothing changes and it’s business as usual.

    • JeffH

      fast eddie47d is at it again. No where in the article was there a mention or use of “hate”, but the liberl spin doctor is at it again.

      Remember the thing about coming prepared? I didn’t mean like prepared mustard! Go back to the comedy club, you’ll get a bunch more laughs outa the audience. At least they’ll laugh with you instead of at you!

      heh heh! BOO! Sarah Palin! Bush! Cheney!

      • JeffH

        aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnndddddd awaaay he goes! Exit stage left!

        • JeffH

          apologise for the “I hate wall street”. I’ll suck on my toes!

  • Bob Wire

    Quote;Claire says:
    May 12, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    In lieu of everything that is going on in the world, I still hold to my statement that both parties are the cause for the mess we are in.

    Well they are the cause Claire but we placed them in office, so the blame is shared by us all. ~ It’s money, and for a few, just the power.

    Capital Hill is not a place for “nice guys” but nice or not they need to be loyal to America and not just a party. And we are lucky to have a few such men and women on Capital Hill on both side of the isle.

    Corruption is hard to root out once established and entrenched. They make is impossible for “good guys” , they are offered deals “they can’t refuse”

    This is where the real fight is today. But it shows it’s ugly head in other places, for their true colors in disguised and the bad one are the good ones and the good one the bad ones.

    What we must look for is their deeds, and that’s tricky, for they can and do openly take credit for things they opposed ( if it’s good)

    So just like chess or golf or playing the violin, there are many levels of play , many levels of understanding. It requires first a sincere interest, almost a driving desire to know, understand , determination and a investment of serious time.

    It’s only then might we begin to separate the good from the bad. Some have been naught but are still good. Some have the image of good but rotten to the core.

    So being a wise voter has never been simple or easy. Wealthy people are just like you and I, they only have one vote, it’s in their best interest for you to vote as they do. ~ Which more times then not goes against your own personal best self interest.

    How do they do that?! ~ the ways are endless but it has little to do with the “truth” and they are very effective at it, and I need to say it not that wealthy people are bad, for most are not, but the people they place in charge can well be meaner then a junk yard dog and tougher then a nickle steak, willing to eat their own young.

    • Claire

      Bob Wire– I am fully aware that I helped to elect some of these people, but like you said, we all did. And NONE of us know what the politician will do once they set foot in the White House and Congress. It is a crap shoot, regardless of which party takes over.

      • Bob Wire

        Well Claire, true, but it’s a crap shoot and you need to understand the odds and the game. Either Party will offer you great things but only one has a record of delivering the goods.

        The GOP will sale you a fully rigged and loaded battle ship and on delivery it’s ends up leaky row boat with one oar and baseball bat.

        The DNC will sale you a row boat , two paddles, a fishing pole and bait. On delivery, you get a row boat, two paddles, fishing pole and the bait is gone!

        Look at history, look at the record.

        The GOP will tell you, “Country First” after you just buried a son in a rich man war and you’ve lost your job and house.

        The DNC will tell you, We are sorry for your great loss and how can we help you endure such pain and sorrow?

  • JeffH


    Investigators: Obama uses Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number
    3 experts insist White House answer new questions about documentation

    Posted: May 11, 2010
    9:57 pm Eastern
    NEW YORK – Two private investigators working independently are asking why President Obama is using a Social Security number set aside for applicants in Connecticut while there is no record he ever had a mailing address in the state.

    In addition, the records indicate the number was issued between 1977 and 1979, yet Obama’s earliest employment reportedly was in 1975 at a Baskin-Robbins ice-cream shop in Oahu, Hawaii.

    WND has copies of affidavits filed separately in a presidential eligibility lawsuit in the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia by Ohio licensed private investigator Susan Daniels and Colorado private investigator John N. Sampson.

    • Claire

      JeffH– I just read in this morning’s paper where Republilcan governor Linda Lingle signed into law a bill allowing state government agencies NOT to respond to requests for information concerning Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Hawaii state director Dr. Chlyome Fukino has verified that she has seen vital records that proves Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. The state register of vital statistics has also verified that the Health Department holds Obama’s original birth certificate. Just thought I would mention this, especially in view of what is on the internet and what the radio talk show people say.

      • JeffH

        What does Linda Lingle know?
        Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle is playing a very insidious and dangerous game of stonewalling on the most secretive vital record in the state’s history.
        Last Sunday, she told a New York talk-show host the state’s role in Barack Obama’s birth certificate drama has “been an odd situation.”

        “This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country,” she added. “So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue, and I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.”
        Didn’t Linda Lingle just tell us she ordered the review of the birth certificate?
        Why is Obama fighting tooth and nail and spending millions of dollars keeping it secret?

        The more people like Lingle make these absurd and contradictory statements, the more suspicion is aroused.
        The public does have a right to know – especially on matters such as the constitutional eligibility of the president of the United States.

        And didn’t Chiyome Fukino say Lingle never instructed that the record be handled differently from any other?

        Isn’t an inspection by the state’s top health director and a series of press releases about the contents of the document handling “different from any other vital record in the possession of the state of Hawaii”?

        Does the governor of Hawaii routinely order the inspection of birth records?

        • Bob Wire

          There was an announcement of his birth in the local newspaper. Much like my birth was announced over an Am radio station “KCLE” Cleburne Tx, March 5th 1948, but damn me if I had to prove it!

          Give it a rest ! or go to a party and bob for french fries!

        • Bob Wire

          Quote; “Does the governor of Hawaii routinely order the inspection of birth records?”

          No, I ‘m sure it’s unusual

          Quote; “What does Linda Lingle know?”

          The truth and facts is my first guess!

          Quote; “ Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle is playing a very insidious and dangerous game of stonewalling on the most secretive vital record in the state’s history.”

          Says who? Now you attack and threaten a GOP Governor?

          Quote; “Last Sunday, she told a New York talk-show host the state’s role in Barack Obama’s birth certificate drama has “been an odd situation.”

          Imagine that! I think so too, in that it refuses to go away.

          Quote; “ Says Linda. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country,” she added. “So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue, and I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.”

          Well? How many times must people hear the same answer before they accept the answer?
          The Republican Governor is tell you it’s a major distracting from critical issues of the day.

          In this case NEVER! So a law has been passed to keep this “perpetual inquiry” from consuming manpower and interfering with state business. It’s has got that bad!

          You are but one of 16 million that refuse to believe and accept the one answer to your question. 16 million people that think they can change reality by refusing to accept reality. That’s a lot of people but if we could pull demographic on all these 16 million, I feel certain there would be a common thread and the reasons much simpler then they might wish us to ever know. Considering we have some 328 million Americans living in the US and we gain a new one every 14 seconds. There’s 16 million people with a butt rash at any one given time.

          Is it really that unbelievable Obama war born in the US? and if the answer is yes, ~ by all means please share why.

          • Claire

            Regarding the birth certificate issue–don’t any of you think that this issue was investigated, researched, turned upside down in every which way to find the truth while Obama was campaigning? There is ALWAYS a way to find the truth if a person digs long enough and deep enough. I would think the birth certificate is legit or Obama would have been kicked out of campaigning? Surely the powers that be would have found something? I just don’t know what to think about this issue. The Republican governor of Hawaii says it is legit. Why would she lie? She is a Republican for gosh sakes. These two parties “go after” each other for the most part. I realize both parties have a “shady” side to them, but WHO in the world could be so powerful that something like this could be hidden? There is no privacy to anything. Try typing your name on the Internet and hit search. We have no privacy whatsoever. We have had no privacy since the Internet came into being.

  • Steve

    I thought maybe you people could use a little humor after living in Obummers communist/socialist/marxist/fascist America for yet another day.

    Did you ever consider the relationship between Obama and Lincoln… You might be surprised.

    Parallels of Abraham Lincoln and B. H. Obama:

    1. Lincoln placed his hand on the Bible for his inauguration. Obama
    used the same Bible. (there is some question about this… or was it the Koran) but lets proceed.

    2. Lincoln came from Illinois. Obama comes from Illinois …

    3. Lincoln served in the Illinois Legislature. Obama served in the
    Illinois Legislature.

    4. Lincoln had very little experience before becoming President…
    Obama had very little experience before becoming President..

    5. Lincoln rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his
    Obama rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for
    his inauguration..

    6. Lincoln was a skinny lawyer. Obama is a skinny communist lawyer.

    7. Lincoln was a Republican. Obama is a skinny communist lawyer.

    8. Lincoln was highly respected. Obama is a skinny communist lawyer.

    9. Lincoln was born in the United States. Obama is a skinny communist lawyer.

    10. Lincoln was honest, so honest he was called Honest Abe. Obama is
    a skinny communist lawyer that lies to us everyday!

    11. Lincoln saved the United States . Obama is a skinny communist lawyer that lies to us every day.

    • kate8


    • angel-wanna-be

      Steve __#5 is wrong, it should read “Obama rode the train from Kenya to Washington in accordance to what Michelle said_ :)

      5. Lincoln rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his
      inauguration (copy and pasted)

      • Steve

        LOL, ok then. Michelle must have been talking about one of those water borne trains, or maybe she doesn’t know that Kenya is on the other side of that big ol pond. Either way, Michey is about as ignorant as the liberals who post on here ;-)

    • denniso

      I’m sure as is typical w/ you rightwing nuts, the level of the humor is even higher than your IQ level…mindless,mindless,mindless. This is why you guys keep losing elections…no brains.

      • Tony

        We shall see who’s loosing the elections in the future denniso. Stay tuned for the next election. I really believe you will have your eyes opened for you.

  • lighterknot

    Well I gave you a pearl and was ignored like swine will do; I gave you an insult and you jumped on it like the base ignorant, over educated, indoctrinated, macho John Wayne, Ronald Reagan Bonzo like creatures you would like to be. Sorry; you’re just sheep that keeps turning it up for the fleecing.
    Ever heard of the “double-bind effect” where humans discount every idea in order to dominate the interaction. When it’s perpetuated by parents on there children tragic things occur. It’s become social crudités in the good old USA a part of keep them dumb and divided effect.

    • JeffH

      Oh ease up a little bit, don’t get yourself all tied up in knots!

      You must of lost your breath with the good ole “Well I gave you a pearl and was ignored like swine will do; I gave you an insult and you jumped on it like the base ignorant, over educated, indoctrinated, macho John Wayne, Ronald Reagan Bonzo like creatures you would like to be. Sorry; you’re just sheep that keeps turning it up for the fleecing.”

      Sorry to burst your bubble libberknot but it’s the libs like you that are the sheeple and O’man is the herder! Now hurry and get back in line so you don’t lose your spot at the trough.

      • ALL Liberals are LIARS, just like bill clinton!

        Libberknot won’t be so stressed tomorrow. It’s his turn with the amorous ewe tonight.

    • Barb

      LighterNOT, I’ve been over this entire site 3 times and this is your 2nd post, the first was your insult and stupid plea to you leader. What “pearl”are you babbling about, idjit! Or did you forget and put it under one of your other pseudonyms, that means false names, I know it’s a big word for you!

      • Jeep

        Barb, just by the mere presence of this enlightened being we were all supposed to gasp at the glow eminating from the rainbow aura surrounding her. The lilt of her voice should have instantly entranced us by the mere fact that she graced us with a visit from upon high. Unfortunately, the tepid response she received from the unwashed masses who have shown nothing but utter disdain for utterances was disturbing. And, we have forced her to unleash a torrent of displeasure to remedy our wrong and teach us to never again forsake her presence and disregard her wisdom.

  • James A Graham

    Lawyer has read the ENTIRE health care bill – his comments -

    The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

    Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

    To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

    However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

    The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide…

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

    The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights… Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.” If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

    For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

    Michael Connelly
    Retired attorney,
    Constitutional Law Instructor
    Carrollton , Texas


    If you don’t care about our constitution, or your rights under it, just do nothing.


    • Tony


  • James A Graham

    Edward Goelz

    Subject: : An Alternative View…

    Jo Check out this View Point ,Jim


    God’s peace

    In God We Trust

    This just may be GODS WAKE UP CALL for the USA!!!!, Jim.

    Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America’s future. He is the best thing ever.

    Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents, history will see Barack Obama as the source of America’s resurrection. Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined; his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance nationwide; TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy; unemployment is unacceptably high and looks to remain that way for most of a decade; legacy entitlement programs have ballooned to unsustainable levels, and there is a seething anger in the populace.

    That’s why Barack Obama is such a good thing for America.

    Obama is the symbol of a creeping liberalism that has infected our society like a cancer for the last 100 years. Just as Hitler is the face of fascism, Obama will go down in history as the face of unchecked liberalism. The cancer metastasized to the point where it could no longer be ignored.

    Average Americans who have quietly gone about their lives, earning a paycheck, contributing to their favorite charities, going to high school football games on Friday night, spending their weekends at the beach or on hunting trips — they’ve gotten off the fence. They’ve woken up. There is a level of political activism in this country that we haven’t seen since the American Revolution, and Barack Obama has been the catalyst that has sparked a restructuring of the American political and social consciousness.

    Think of the crap we’ve slowly learned to tolerate over the past 50 years as liberalism sought to re-structure the America that was the symbol of freedom and liberty to all the people of the world. Immigration laws were ignored on the basis of compassion. Welfare policies encouraged irresponsibility, the fracturing of families, and a cycle of generations of dependency. Debt was regarded as a tonic to lubricate the economy. Our children left school having been taught that they are exceptional and special, while great numbers of them cannot perform basic functions of mathematics and literacy. Legislators decided that people could not be trusted to defend their own homes, and stripped citizens of their rights to own firearms. Productive members of society have been penalized with a heavy burden of taxes in order to support legions of do-nothings who loll around, reveling in their addictions, obesity, indolence, ignorance and “disabilities.” Criminals have been arrested and re-arrested, coddled and set free to pillage the citizenry yet again. Lawyers routinely extort fortunes from doctors, contractors and business people with dubious torts.

    We slowly learned to tolerate these outrages, shaking our heads in disbelief, and we went on with our lives.

    But Barack Obama has ripped the lid off a seething cauldron of dissatisfaction and unrest.

    In the time of Barack Obama, Black Panther members stand outside polling places in black commando uniforms, slapping truncheons into their palms. ACORN — a taxpayer-supported organization — is given a role in taking the census, even after its members were caught on tape offering advice to set up child prostitution rings. A former Communist is given a paid government position in the White House as an advisor to the president. Auto companies are taken over by the government, and the auto workers’ union — whose contracts are completely insupportable in any economic sense — is rewarded with a stake in the company. Government bails out Wall Street investment bankers and insurance companies, who pay their executives outrageous bonuses as thanks for the public support. Terrorists are read their Miranda rights and given free lawyers. And, despite overwhelming public disapproval, Barack Obama has pushed forward with a health care plan that would re-structure one-sixth of the American economy.

    I don’t know about you, but the other day I was at the courthouse doing some business, and I stepped into the court clerk’s office and changed my voter affiliation from “Independent” to “Republican.” I am under no illusion that the Republican party is perfect, but at least they’re starting to awaken to the fact that we cannot sustain massive levels of debt; we cannot afford to hand out billions of dollars in corporate subsidies; we have to somehow trim our massive entitlement programs; we can no longer be the world’s policeman and dole out billions in aid to countries whose citizens seek to harm us.

    Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They’re organizing, they’re studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they’re reading history and case law, they’re showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution? No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 years — the Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama.

    • Rod OH

      The “conservatives (that are “studying and organizing) will remain a smaller and smaller shrill minority that they deserve to be. No one who is educated and worldly, who understandsd the “past” for what it is (a guideline, not the ultimate truth) will not vote with these “energized, dumbed down wing-nuts”. And if you don’t believe me…just watch what happens over the next 36 months. “W” really hurt the nation when he pandered to these “faith based” not “intellectually, scientifically based” wing-nuts.

      • denniso

        It is interesting to watch…the implosion of a once mainstream and long lived party. As they become more desperate they react not by widening their tent, but by closing it off ever more and kicking out
        more of the rational and calm ‘conservatives’. They are putting the final stake in the heart of any hope of including Hispanics in their party as they have already done w/ African Americans. As they shrink and shrivel down to a party of extremists, like many right here, they scream and threaten and wave their guns around all the more excitedly.
        I’m sure that many social scientists and psychologists are already teaching classes on this self induced demise.

        • JeffH

          DUH!nisso: “As they shrink and shrivel down to a party of extremists, like many right here, they scream and threaten and wave their guns around all the more excitedly.”

          You’re cry is like the sound fingernails racking a chalkboard.

          To live in fear is not to live at all

          • angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, Heeeeee’s baaaaaaaack!

        • Bob Wire

          Good posting gentlemen, ~ lots of overview.

          Well, they’ve destroy themselves and attempt to take the rest of us with them. Back went we were sinking and many of us were pumping and bailing water and patching holes, they were fighting over what was for dinner.

          I hate to see just one party politics ~ it’s not what the founding father’s intended. It’s not a good thing.

          I hope a leader rises up out of this “debacle” of a mess and leads them to solid ground. But I know of none ! There was talk of some hopes with this Louisiana Governor, Lord help them ! Mr Whipple!

          They are behaving like roaches on “Raid” grabbing and biting whatever they can, looking for anything, under rocks, in trees ~

          It’s been that way since they promoted the Obama Tire Gage as his energy policy at the early kick off of the campaign. Making sport of sound judgmental and practical common sense, attempting to turn things upside down , a defeat a win, smart is dumb, good is bad, weak is strong, foolish is wise, to save we ignore, maybe “it” will go away! If we don’t acknowledge it, it didn’t happen !

          This kind of thinking is what these people at prescribing too and got them to where they are today. They are digging their own hole, we need only to cover them up when they are done.

          The thing is, I really don’t want too. We just need them to quit “drugging” and join us in making America only better then ever, there much to do. We need their cooperation and help are be left to continue as we are. The pace is slow, I can only surmise they are not really hurting too bad or they be in a greater rush to help. And fact, that my guess, ~ they fat enough to stand delays and attempt to wait things out as they stall progress. At the way things are going 2012 will be a great disappointment to them.

          This is where it’s all going, one way or the other, sooner or later.
          Like the insane, hungry , sick and poor, ignoring their existence is not a valid option or placing them in irons.

          I’ve attempted to get a head count on this “anomaly” for like of a better word. I’m guessing 16 to 25 million noisy people,active at some level. Not really very many, that’s why they continue to attempt to boost their numbers and stay so noisy.

          Like the alpha chimp, the noisier, the bigger, better, stronger and more worthy of leadership, stomp up a dust cloud, mistreat a few bushes, impress everyone with their skills to disrupt and create civil discord. That’s their plan and that’s all they seem to offer. This appeals to some people just like it does Chimps.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    This is real and what wall street thinks about the working class and they don’t need to be controlled?

    From the Trading Desk [John Derbyshire]
    This email is going around Wall Street this morning:

    We are Wall Street. It’s our job to make money. Whether it’s a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn’t matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable. I didn’t hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone’s 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, its not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.

    Well now the market crapped out, & even though it has come back somewhat, the government and the average Joes are still looking for a scapegoat. God knows there has to be one for everything. Well, here we are.

    Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you’re only going to hurt yourselves. What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours. We get up at 5am & work till 10pm or later. We’re used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don’t take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don’t demand a union. We don’t retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we’ll eat that.

    For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing landscaping? We’re going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year and whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime and double time and a half. I’ll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team for $5k extra a summer, thank you very much.

    So now that we’re going to be making $85k a year without upside, Joe Mainstreet is going to have his revenge, right? Wrong! Guess what: we’re going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren’t going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We’re going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.

    The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but it’s really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom.

    We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply…will he? and will they?

    • denniso

      Hey, that’s pretty good…but, also pretty funny. Wall St types threatening middle class America w/ the possibility of taking their jobs??? Wow!! Now, that’s about as ridiculous as imagining Bill Gates
      doing his own plumbing repairs on his toilet or digging a ditch w/ an actual shovel. Those Wall St guys work hard, but they only do it for the big money…would they work 12 hrs a day for $10/hr?? Don’t think so. Are they actually trained to do anything at all except generate money on paper and siphon some off for their million $ bonuses? Don’t think so…They are some of the most specialized and inept at real work people in the world, right along w/ actors…except we all want to be entertained by actors.

      Like I said, pretty funny. But I’d love to see the ‘traders’ and ceo’s and fatcats like Buffet out in the real world doing real jobs w/ sweat covering their faces and dirt in their mouths…it just won’t happen…such a pipedream of theirs and mine.

    • Bob Wire

      Hmm? Interesting! Quote; “We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply…will he? and will they?”

      Well “who” pray tell was your ‘food supply” before Obama came along I wonder?

      It’s clear you “feel” important and “abused” but to a working guy like myself, I see you as part of a system that makes profit from games of chance and speculation, making money from money and failing to produce “Jack” A middle man in between supply and demand and skimming profits at a accelerated rate of speed that the rest of the nation only dreams of.

      Sorry about having to work and needing to pee, get yourself a plastic coke bottle, you know the one that has that big screw on lid at the top, it works for me.

      Everything is high in New York, your life style can easily eat up a huge income to where again, ~ your not making “Jack”

      Thanks for your input, it’s about time your feel the pain that many people in this nation have been going though for the last 18 to 20 years. Now you might know why we are so darn angry, being “busted” and just touching money as you send it forward is very disheartening for “anyone” and made much more so if you are working long, hard and watching every penny.

      I understand they are paying 35 dollar an hour down Louisiana Way if your really interested in working and getting dirty. This oil spill has put many hard to work. You can pee in the water if you wish, it might help break up all this oil coming ashore. Watch out for the gators and snake though, they don’t understand and feel offended and abused much like yourself. In case of any “ties” you lose, so you really need to use your head and all that viciousness you have stored up and “win”.

  • mrbuddy

    I applaud our president–respect everything he is trying to do for the people::If we don’t get control of Goldman–the rest of the world will–London plans to tax their income @90%::we should too::I love the current smoke screen of immigration reform that has been thrown up–repubs hoping will tie up Senate for another year::Financial reform and energy n climate have to come first::It is certainly interesting how the primary elections are cleaning out crap from the Congress!!The repubs knock Ms. Pelosi so terribly–the thought of John Boehner at the helm should be stimulus enough for anybody to vote Democratic!!

    • JC

      Or to use Obama’s language, he should have his “boot on their neck” right? Like a good controlling Nazi!
      Why do the simpler people among us not see that what is needed are Courts of Justice…not MORE Government?
      Why are they so simple?

  • lighterknot

    The Elephant trumpets the Jackass bras the Eagle soars on wings of praise through deadly smog of dingy haze and feeds its young on poison fish…that religious dish.

    But the economy is just a good old capitalist / socialist sow, with not enough tits for thee or thou. So the Elephant and the Jackass spread the wealth too sick greedy pigs in bad health.
    And those who have a tit are pissed to share – they really think they’ve earned their fare. A rugged Libertarian they are courting independent free and sporting…makes me wonder what they’ll be sucking from this bore hog out for fu—–.
    Another pearl for you JeffH

    • JeffH

      False history gets made all day, any day,
      the truth of the new is never on the news.

    • Bob Wire

      Impressive! a treat !

  • Bob Wire

    Quote; JeffH says:
    May 13, 2010 at 6:52 am

    False history gets made all day, any day,
    the truth of the new is never on the news.

    I totally agree and who is it to decide this and at point do we concur?

    A good day for the snake is a bad day for the frog.

    As for a boot on our neck, Goldman and AIG needs a boot so far up their collective A$$ests, they are wearing their a$-hole for a hat band.

    There has always been a boot on someone throat, somewhere ! Misbehavior’s and ill will intended people required and deserve such treatment and it’s far late in coming. I’m truly amazed at the foolish that rush to their defense while claiming to believe in Venture Capitalism and believe in the Spirit of America.

    The lovely and well heeled Queen Antoinette paid with her head which “should” serve as a lesson a notice to all as we see history continues to repeat itself as we see taking play here in America this fine day.

    There is nothing “new” under the sun, just a huge circle of repetition as a new crop of the “foolish” come to age and think they are somehow immune, better and different!

    3000 years of recorded proves otherwise.

    We need more wars, armed axes and clubs to keep the “foolish factor” down to a reasonable level. As it stands today, the foolish are protected and allowed to live so they can pay taxes and fight push button wars. As it stand we have a bumper crop on numb nuts we seem required by law to listen to, hear you whimper and cry “not fair” nanny nanny poo poo! I’m gonna tell!

    This of course will never be “politically correct” or accepted so we attempt to educate the foolish, ~ however we have teachers that teach having no true credentials on the subject they teach or ideological they preach , like Rush, Beck and Chaney’s ~ Welcome to the world of the “Ditto Head” all that required is a over-blown sense of self -worth and Knee Jerk response! Just add manure and water!

    • JeffH

      After all of that, you have done little more than add manure and water.

      • Bob Wire

        Hmm? don’t underestimate manure and water.

        • Bob Wire

          and really Jeff, it’s to each reader, ~ You over look , under estimate and discount much data and since your not the center of the universe permit each of us a noble set up. ~ The way “IN” is rarely through the front door. A good joke without any setup falls flat and is rarely funny, but only Palin funny! Just a smirk. Now if you have the gifted skills of Rodney Dangerfield , King of the Two Liner, I’ll gladly concede to your talented word-smithing skills.

          If you’ve got it, show it, whip it out, other wise focus on the thread , resolve and resolution. Kick back the darkness one candle at time.

          Or would you rather tangle, just make it worth the effort to everyone joy and amusement and germane to the thread.

          False History ? What was the Arcadian Removal? Why did blacks choose to migrate from South Carolina? What’s the truth about the Trail of Tears? What didn’t Santa Anna really come to retrieve?
          Where’s the truth in 40 acres and a mule. ~ How big in “Big Oil”?

          • JeffH

            …and Daddy looked a lot like Santa…Merry Christmas

          • Bob Wire

            Funny, I was thinking the same thing!

  • MadMarty

    This is the year to tell all our disenfranchised friends, who gave up voting for a bunch of crooks:


    It’ll finally be worth our while.

    • denniso

      Be my guest, split the Repub party even more and watch the Dems win in Nov….

      • Steve

        That might just be the ONLY true statement you’ve ever made on this blog denniso. Keep it up. There’s hope for you yet.

        • Bob Wire

          The GOP splits and destroys themselves, they need no help!

          example ; Everything Palin has ever said and done!

          example ; Arizona !

          example ; Intolerance of different viewpoints

          example ; rigid ideology that is impossible to apply on a large scale

          example ; Bad & long track record

          example ; Ignoring does not equal nonexistent

          example ; Not having a true grasp of the issues at hand, not willing to do the work yet still trying to fake it

          example ; Alligator mouths and Humming Bird a$$’s of Political Entertainers

          Example ; Stupid is not a virtue or worth the price of acceptance or admission.

          Example ; Kicking dead horses

          Example ; what part of “You lost” and the Majority is it they don’t understand?

  • Bob Wire

    It’s too late I fear, It’s not looking very good for the GOP.

    I was thinking, ~ I find it odd that the GOP fails to offer a central core leader that speaks for the GOP with one voice.

    we have Steele, but he offers little true focus or direction. It’s much like the old Johnny Carson show, when he was on vacation. The show was always ran by “guest host” serving as a front man and master of ceremony. The likes of D-ick Army, Karl R., and Newt share the spot while John B.the minority leader and Mitchell don’t plug after hours spots, we get only sound bits of day to day activities from them. Seems the front man representing the GOP is nonexistent and left up to Political entertainers like Rush, Bill, Glen and other less popular “talking heads”.

    I never felt like 43 was the leader of the party either but a “front man” someone to offer a face, shake hand , greet, kiss babies and regurgitate today’s “talking points”

    Who is the real leaders of the GOP? Better yet , who were the leaders? I think that they still are the leaders, just shadow leaders without titles and responsibilities. Chaney and Karl Rove still lead the GOP with the aid of Rupert Murdock and all the hired political entertainers and dedicated ditto heads.

    I’m thinking, this has just about ran it’s course and no longer working well for them.

    I’ve heard it said, Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. But it worked so well for some long, they can’t seem to let it go or move on.

    I really feel after watching and listen to them all these years, they are working the same old game plan and are waiting for a stroke of luck, or good fortune to smile on them once again. If they have to create a situation that makes the political climate tip in their favor, they will. For now , it just day to day football, keep Obama down to low yardage and run out the clock.

    Will it work? Hmm? for now it looks like the wheels are about to fall off the wagon. While I hear in the background, voices saying, “don’t worry about the horse just load the wagon.

    While I fail to see the horse as the issue of greatest concern.

    What am I over looking?

  • chucky

    Goldman Sachs is innocent(along with the rest of Wall Street companies) of all charges. Everbody knows that the ONLY inside trader on Wall Street is Martha Stewart(sarcasm)


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