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Obama’s Millionaires’ Tax Targeted By GOP As ‘Class Warfare’

September 20, 2011 by  

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) saw the proposal as a hindrance to economic growth and something that had been tried before.The job proposal that was put forth by President Barack Obama has been met with firm opposition from GOP leaders, as the “Buffet Rule” that was outlined in the plan was denounced by Republicans as faulty economics, The Washington Times reported.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) saw the proposal as a hindrance to economic growth and something that had been tried before, reported the news outlet.

“We don’t want to stagnate this economy by raising taxes,” McConnell said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “We had that vote a couple of years ago when Democrats basically owned the Congress, they had overwhelming control of the Senate and the House, and it was defeated then.”

The President’s plan is anchored by $1.5 trillion in new tax increases and entitlement cuts, as the Administration is hoping that the wealthiest Americans will be willing and able to bail out the rest of the country, Fox News reported.

A group of tax hikes will be the foundation on which the President will be able to implement his $447 billion jobs plan, according to the news outlet.

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  • FreedomFighter

    Just another stick-up by the lieing gangster Obama regime in the whitehouse, robbing the American people.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Karolyn

    It’s not “class warfare.” It’s called being fair; and it only targets the few who are in that bracket. Big deal! The GOP just wants to keep those greedy billionires happy.

    • Marco

      Envy and jealousy are such ugly traits. The big lie is that BO wants to control every aspect of your life. He can’t do that with people who are productive, independent and successful. Who do you think is creating 70% of all jobs??? Those “greedy rich” who risk everything to build their carreers and businesses. When you raise their taxes, they fire people and raise prices, creating both more unemployment and inflation. Who does that help??? It’s what you want. Go back to Econ 101 and get a clue.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Marco, wake up. We have not raised taxes on the rich (in fact lowered them) for well over a decade and what happened? They fired people and prices are rising. Who does that help??? Get your head out of your Econ 101 text and look at what is happening.

      • Mary Cares

        It is not envy and jealousy. The very wealthy have been getting away with not paying their fair share for way too long. Many of those rich are trust fund babies, and many never worked a day in their lives. Sure they create jobs: butler, gardener, maids & servants etc. and some get their kicks by getting into politics. The rich do NOT create jobs, where do people get that idea? Some do build businesses and do work hard (Bill Gates) but they also can afford lawyers and accountants to find those nasty little loopholes that the middle class don’t qualify for. This will not cause inflation.. if they raise their prices to account for it, people will stop buying their products and they can no longer be competitive. I took Econ 101, 102, 103, managerial accounting… and every math course available in college. Wake up people, this is long overdue and the ones that fight it are blind and ignorant – or very wealthy.

        • Bruce

          Mary, Perhaps you should revisit the class’s you took as its quite obvious you missed the whole ball of wax.
          Let alone your spouting little more than the same old tired rhetoric from the media, and by the way just who owns all the media’s?
          Could it be any of the following,
          #1, The Rothschilds who own the AP & Reuters,
          #2, The Holy Roman Empire who owns the IP and all its affiliates,
          #3, The Queen, who owns the BBC and all its affiliates?
          #4, Or all the above.
          Perhaps you should also look into a few class’s in Comprehension and understanding of who “own’s” you and controls you from the day the Birth Cerificate is penned.

          • eddie47d

            Why did you leave out Robert Murdoch? Are you out there tapping phone lines for him?

          • Sheldon

            Bruce… the Queen of England does not own the BBC. The ‘Beeb’ is a public corporation which the Queen does not control nor does she directly receive money from it.

          • Fed up

            Hey Bruce, You tell em. I wonder how these people seem to think that if the rich weren’t so rich they (The people) would become richer. Ignorance does run deep in this country.

          • Bruce

            Sheldon, Perhaps you should do a lot deeper digging on the BBC then I invite you to respond and tell me who owns what. Have a nice day.

          • Bruce

            Eddie, Your post are always in the vien of someone who is at best a standard media parrot, your post today is no exception.

        • independant thinker

          “On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.”

          That is a quote from an MSNBC article. The article also went on to state less than 1% of those making over than 1 million pay no taxes.

        • s c

          mc, did anyone ever tell you that the poor never create jobs? If the rich don’t create jobs, and the poor don’t create jobs, then who does? Are you going to imply that the ‘middle class’ creates jobs? Surely, you won’t dare to claim that government creates jobs.
          Wherever you took those courses, your instructors must have been anything but experts in their course content. By the way, did you ever hear any constructive criticism about the Fed? I’ll assume for now that you never took any degrees, as courses at the 100 level won’t get you a degree in any school in America.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Taking Econ 101 will not solve what ails the Socialist Karolyn. She believes it is her right to stick her hands into the taxpayers pockets because she “cares” so much more than you.

    • Bruce

      Karolyn, Your post is clearly evidence of your overt hate and envy of people who have done well in life.
      How sad is it, how you claim on one hand to be so open minded and fair and yet your post display the exact opposite when the topic of wealth comes into play.

      How can anyone with an open and honest soul claim that one group of people deserve to be mistreatment by an other and thats somehow “FAIR TREATMENT?”

      You know there’s a name for people like that, do you know what that is?

      • Mary Cares

        Bruce, what lines are you reading in between? I really did not ‘get that’ from Karolyn’s post. The GOP does want to keep their billionaires happy, after all, they themselves benefit and ‘share the wealth’. This “unfair” balance does not help our country, and is shrinking the heart of America: the middle class. Hate and envy do not weigh in at all. Those are strong words and do not apply.

        • Bruce

          Mary, Your post is interesting, yet my words are not harsh nor unjust they are in fact nothing more than TRUTH.

          The US has very few billioniars I know this as I work with wealthy people, yet not a single one was as been left money. All have done very well in business ventures and or have talent.
          I also know a few Billionars even they have made it by hard work. I may not agree with their politic’s, but every last one of them has made their money on practial as well wise investments.

          Again I come back to why single out a small group of people to hate or take advantage of other than for one single reason
          “Political Gain.” known as Class warfair, or political gain, Class envy, or Political gain its all the same game.

          Barry Soetoro or one of his other name such as Harrson J. Bounel, or Barack Obama or what ever his real name is he is nothing more than a shill for the IMF and who is the IMF?
          If American people would wake up and thrust their anger at the proper persons the nation could change. But if the American people continue to beat each other up based on covert rhetoric while letting the real Criminals walk away unscathed things will never change.
          Thats the TRUTH.

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      • Amy

        You want fair? Everyone pays 10% of their income to tax. No Deductions at all. A flat tax . Why don’t we do that?
        Because the current system has been set up to protect the poor and the extremely wealthy. How can someone get more money back in a tax refund than what they paid in? And why does a millioniar pay 8% of his income and I pay 16% of mine?

  • Jon

    Wow, sounds like we have some socialist readers today! Take from the rich and re-distribute to the poor. You call that fair treatment? How do you know what these “rich greedy” people do with their money? They probably give more to charities in a year than any of you former posters on here make in a decade!! You people make me laugh and I can’t believe what I’m reading in this comment section.

    • Sheldon

      When Warren Buffet publicly states that his secretary is taxed at a higher rate than he is there is a flaw in the system.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Warren is a senile lieberal loon . . . he takes no salary and merely pays 15% tax on his capital gains . . . while his secretary pays income tax on her hearnings at a higher rate. Only a “Brain Dead” lieberal could equate the two as “Equal” . . . one more example of “Dead from the neck up in AMerica” . . . LOL
        The “0″ is in way over his pay-grade . . . this clueless illegal immigrant needs to go!!!

        • Jon

          You got that right!!

      • independant thinker

        Iff Warren B feels he should pay the same tax rate or a higher one than his secretary there is NOTHING stopping him. He can pay extra anytime he wants and the feds, his city, county, and state of residence will gladly accept it.

  • Ted G

    O.K. lets try to bring the dicussion back to where it belongs…on an overbloated and out of control federal government.
    Obama in his “so called” jobs bill proposed almost 600 billion in actual government cuts (lets not even talk about the 1.5 trillion new taxes he is trying to steal from Americans to continue his unconstitutional press for redistribution and his socialist agenda.) but over ten years, that equals just 6 billion a year in actual cuts to government spending, is he kidding…really! How impressed with that are you? because to me that is insulting. Why does the media not report on this stuff in terms of reality that most people can identify with?
    Do you see how its being reported? Wow! Obama wants to cut governement by an asounding 6 billion a year while the deficit continues on at almost 1.5 trillion a year. Personlly I can’t understand why there isn’t outrage with this POS. This is utter nonsense!

    • eddie47d

      I agree that much more has to be cut yet we have to realize that as the country grows in population More services will be needed. If you only have 10 workers in a factory and it will take 20 to get the job done then you hire more workers or the product doesn’t make it to market. There is also a new wealthy out there in America and they are not creating jobs no matter how low the taxes are. When taxes were high 50 years ago the economy boomed,workers worked hard and the wealthy still made buckets of money. Now the wealthy make even bigger buckets of money,worker pay has diminished and the economy stinks. Coddling the wealthy has done precious little in jump starting jobs,quite the opposite.

      • Mary Cares

        I agree with eddie47d regarding the new wealthy, and they are not creating jobs – what the new poor need. It is misleading to point out just a few (e.g. Rothschilds – who own AP & Reuters) and assume they exemplify the wealthy. I think Warren Buffet just came out and stated what most of us already suspected. Sure, they contribute to charities, but that is not the point. “Take from the rich and give to the poor?” That is just silly. The goal is to get the rich more in line with the tax burden they should bear. Our tax dollars do NOT exclusively go to the poor. (Go ahead, call me a socialist.. I have been called worse.)

        • Jon

          Well, if you didn’t know this little tiddbit, the wealthiest people (about 20% of the population) already pay 90% of the tax burden while the other (now close to 50%) sit on their lazy a—s collecting unemployment, food stamps or some other welfare or free handouts from Uncle Sam while the other 30% also struggle to make ends meet working for a living. So to say they are not already paying their fair share is ridiculous in itself MARY CARES!

        • eddie47d

          Jon, Those “lazy asses” has little to do with the wealthy paying more in taxes. I don’t like those folks escaping their duty whether rich or poor.

          • Randy G

            Some of those “Lazy A**es” who don’t work are probably like me. I kept getting lais off jobs–”I am single & I can afford it.” All I ever did was work my A** off & I get dumped because I do not have a wife & kids. You must be one of those people with their brain on the wrong end of their spinal cord.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You haven’t got a clue how jobs are created.
          There is no such thing as being entitled to a job.
          The poor have never created any jobs for anyone, so get over your Envy of the “rich”. Anyone that makes and has more than you, you call the rich. Change your name to Greed and Envy because these describe you best.

      • Ted G

        Hi Eddie,
        I see you’re close, and I admit I didn’t quite understand if you were trying to make a point in your follow on…other than to say we still need to somehow blame or put more responsibility of this on the rich, but again I don’t think the wealthy are a problem that needs any solution.
        Now don’t get me wrong an unfair tax system (favoritism, unreasonable corprate loopholes, special interest kickbacks, pay to play etc) definitely is a big problem! I’d put all of that under corruption of our governement. However it is not the ONLY problem. A major problem is a an overbloated government that has overstepped its authority. And it has done so thru deception, lies and outright thievery.
        Another major issue is the ideology of those in power that do not except the limits that our Consitutional republic places upon them.
        I find it completely unacceptable that our elected officials are not having this discussion with “we the people” about what their respective limits are and why the don’t feel they should adhere to them.
        I can think of one reason why though…because if they did start this discusssion with us, they would find that they do not have a leg to stand on, particularly they cannot find any support in our founding documents for their idological view of what they want government to do.
        Basically to wrap it up I feel that the governent is the problem and a return to the US Constitution is the answer

        • Ted G

          Correction, my first post should say 60 billion a year in cuts not 6. Still a drop in the bucket compared to spending and deficits. And please forgive my occasional lapse in spelling, keystroke errors I assure you.
          And Mary if I may, I think you have fallen for the trap that Obama has set. You are talking about the rich and how unfair it is that they are not taxed more, which is what Obama wants you to be talking about instead of his agenda to spend, tax more and spend more.
          It’s misdirection and deception, the problem is still the spending and the bloated size of government.

          • Mary Cares

            No, I don’t feel I have fallen into a trap. I too have bumped shoulders with some very wealthy, decent people. (They do not talk politics as that is a very boring topic in mixed company for the most part.) The very reason I am HERE, is to view opinions from a different perspective and get away from all the propaganda and media bias! This article was about taxation so that was my focus in my response and the intent to solicit more rhertoric. I don’t feel I can make good judgements based on a small focus of opinion and I certainly do NOT know everything. I am not happy with Obama, but it is small minded to bash and be crass.
            Yes! The government is bloated, and Yes spending is way out of hand! No argument there. So who ‘should’ we look to for a future fearless leader?
            Obama so far is better than the lot of GOP candidates I see. I am a Christian, but I do find it offensive when these people ‘smoke and mirror’ with Him. It turns me off. I cannot say I think highly of any one of them. Just looking for answers..

          • Jeep

            I am curious Mary, how is oman better than any Republican candidate? At job creation? No, it can’t be that. At reducing the deficit? Certainly not. Is he better at foreign policy? While debatable, I think our British, Isreali, French and German allies would not think so. At bringing our country together? No, that’s not it. At getting Bin Laden? Okay, I’ll give you that one…Maybe you think he is better at creating more entitlement programs? Yep, that’s it! How about pulling the race and class warfare cards? YES! He’s very good at that! Alright, so maybe there a few things he IS good at.

          • independant thinker

            Mary and others read and attempt to understand this from an article on MSNBC.

            “On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.

            ..The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.”

      • coal miner


        I agree with you.It was during Johnson times there was work every where.The company I work for gave out huge bonuses every six months for a job well done. This was the company’s appreciation. People were happy,rich and poor alike.Then things change when Ronald Reagan got in office,it was the beginning of the end for the middle class, it was slowly being crush out of existence and ended with George (scab)Bush Jr.Reagan not only destroyed this country, he also gave sensitive technology to Japan and Communist China.No one can deny the damage it did to our country.Remember the Mondale and Reagan debate?Reagan said he would share our technolgy with The Soviets.Mondale angerily rebuke him and said “I will never let them get their bloody hands on our sensitive technology”.Look at the jobs going over seas with the Republicans blessings.We all know who the real traitors are,it’s not the Democrats.Try the money hungry Republicans.What Lenin said was true.We will sell them the rope and one of these days they will hang us with our own rope.

        • Jeep

          Nice revision of history cm. Well, a nice try anyway. Regan gave the Soviets farming technology, not military technology. Mondale was upset that this may hurt farmers, but we were already giving the Soviets tons of grain every year so they wouldn’t starve. Of course, you probably forgot the “accidental” leak of missile technology given to China by Clinton. Ooops! Now the Chinese can target the west coast accurately with nukes. Thanks Bill. Wait a minute…he also allowed the Chinese a week to study our EC3 aircraft that was “forced down” over Chinese (I mean Taiwanese) airspace with nary a wimper. Thanks Bill. And, really, you think Republicans are the only ones responsible for jobs overseas? I guess NAFTA was a boon to the US. Thanks Bill. But, it was a Republican congress that approved NAFTA. I guess both parties are responsible, wouldn’t you agree? Of course not, your nothing more than a hack who cannot see the forest through the trees.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Get out of the dark mine, see the light and try Carter, Clinton just to name a couple.

          • coal miner

            (WIA) Wild Indian in Action
            Hey Stupid,you don’t have an argument. Clinton had a surplus. None of the above didn’t.First time in history we having a Communist country giving us a loan and feeding us.We know who is responsible for that one,Reagan and his sidekicks,George (scab)Sr and George (scab)Jr.Don’t Blame Obama for the current mess we are in,blame it on the so called Reaganomics that Republicans holds so dear.It has nevered worked and it never will.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Coal “Hey Stupid,” Miner Clinton’s surplus was only for one or two years and even then it was only on paper not a true surplus.

        • coal miner

          Ronald Reagan:
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          Ronald Reagan (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004) was the 40th President of the United States (1981–1989) and the 33rd Governor of California (1967–1975). Born in Illinois, Reagan moved to Los Angeles, California in the 1930s, where he was an actor, president of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG), and a spokesman for General Electric (GE). His start in politics occurred during his work for GE. Originally a member of the Democratic Party, he switched to the Republican Party in 1962, at the age of 51. After delivering a rousing speech in support of Barry Goldwater’s presidential candidacy in 1964, he was persuaded to seek the California governorship, winning two years later and again in 1970. He was defeated in his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968 as well as 1976, but won both the nomination and election in 1980.

          As president, Reagan implemented bold new political and economic initiatives. His supply-side economic policies, dubbed “Reaganomics,” (later called “Voodoo economics” by George H. Bush) included deregulation and substantial tax cuts implemented in 1981. In his first term he survived an assassination attempt, took a hard line against organized labor, and ordered military actions in Grenada. He was reelected in 1984. His second term was marked by the bombing of Libya and the Iran-Contra affair. The president had previously ordered a massive military buildup in an arms race with the Soviet Union, forgoing the strategy of détente. He publicly described the USSR as an “evil empire” and supported anti-Communist movements worldwide.

          Reagan left office in 1989. In 1994, the former president disclosed that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease earlier in the year; he died ten years later at the age of ninety-three.

          Reagan is held up as a hero in the conservative Republican movement. However, his actual record is far from exemplary. Reagan is largely credited with first implementing the concept of “supply side economics” which suggested that if we cut taxes on the rich, there will be a “trickle down” effect benefiting all aspects of society. Regan also ran up one the largest budget deficits in the history of the country at that time, and increased the national debt more than any other president before him.

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  • Roger

    One can always tell who is REALLY in control of the “Propaganda Machine” when you hear these arguments for and against, taxes, tax breaks, bail-outs ,welfare etcetera.It is always the same:

    Tax breaks and bailouts for the Corporations and the otherwise wealthy and powerful are repeatedly said to be GOOD BUSINESS …BUT….the same benefits for the middle class and/or the poor are disparagingly called WELFARE…… and OF COURSE, by virture of the label “Welfare”, the respective recipients are considered “Lazy, good for nothings” who only deserve poverty while “We the Rich,.deserve our wealth”….even if it is from tax payer funded “Bail-Outs” and OTHER government perks and priveleges!!!

    When are Americans going to grow up and truly realize that they have been, are being and will continue to be conned’ by the the Rich and Powerful Establishment who are the REAL PARASITES in our society, UNTIL they start doing their HOMEWORK???

    And for you REDNECKS and other braindead AUTOMATONS out there, I am NOT a “Pinko”,or some other version of Left Wing label..I am a REAL Libertarian, not one of the fakes ,like Ron Paul

    • Ted G

      Roger, IMHO you’re are directing your ire in the wrong place. If our elected officials did their jobs correctly all the things you mentioned would not be taking place.
      You do list the issues rather succinctly yet you still blame the rich corporations when in fact it is the corruption of the people we elected that allowed these things to occur.
      So my point is that it is not the rich and the corporations that are the ones conning us!

    • coal miner

      I agree with you.

      • Ted G

        So CM,
        Thats it? thats all you got? I know you must have read my post based on your timestamp…I can be convinced given a strong enough argument and logical data, can you?

      • Ted G

        But let me be clear. All the things Roger mentioned I agree ( and I hope you do to) are bad and should not be happening! Where I disagree is he offers nothing but what appears to be an ideological attack against the rich/corporations.
        I tried to redirect and Identify to what we can control and that is to place the resposibility where I think it belongs. On our elected officials who thru corruption and irresponsible actions allowed these things to occur.

  • Pastori Balele

    Now John Boehner is again against tax hike for the rich. John will lose next year if he continues his cry-baby stuff. John Boehner should work with President Obama on the budget to create jobs. Instead, John is toying around with TEA Party leaders, his bosses. John calls TEA Party leaders as “the American people”. But now these people are fighting him and want him out. John does not even know TEA Party is dead. I further hope John will join forces democrats to pass the bill. If he does not, he is sure will be a 2-year majority leader. John should know TEA Party has been replaced by Labor Union party. The political pendulum has changed. I personally observed in Madison demonstration TEA Party members were badly outnumbered by ant-Walker demonstrators. There were 900 TEA Partiers for Scott Walker against 50,000 anti-Walker. In fact there are efforts for Walker recall. Even FoxNews anchors are scared Walker has hurt the Republican Party. It’s good news for President Obama and democrats in 2012. So John should listen to and vote for President Obama.

    • Raggs

      I WAS going to read your post,but your an idiot!

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        I’m sure you meant Brain Dead!

    • coal miner

      Pastori Balele

      Are you interested in joining the IWWW (International Workers Of The World)?

      • Raggs

        That is A typical of a liberal to join a union in order that someone else pays their way… Prehaps PB is an advocate for the new world order as well.

  • Raggs

    I will be SOOOOO Glad when this crybaby little boy oblama can’t put his shoes in the white house again!

    Blame the republicans… OH COME ON YOU IDIOT!
    I am way passed sick of this idiot crying about the problems that he created why don’t he just go somewhere and grow up! Or better yet why don’t he just go somewhere and stay there and leave America to REAL men.

    • eddie47d

      You are distinctly playing the class warfare game Raggs and no surprise there. You bash the working man every chance you get and are especially vicious towards unions. Some of you tear union members every which way but loose because they may make more than a few bucks than you do. Yet the silence is deafening when the Corporates make their undeserved millions and retire with golden parachutes. The wealthy indeed brought on this class warfare with their 7-15% salary increases and you are carrying their water for them.

      • Raggs

        Your wrong ed.

        I hate the unions because they are “entitled” much like the government, they think that they are above the common man and that they deserve a “FREE” lifestyle off of the backs of people like me.
        I put the unions well under the respect that I give the people that believe that they do not have to work…

        Class warfare?… nope just have everyone pay their “fair share” don’t leave it up to only 50% of the population to pay for everyone else. It is wealth redistribution in a nut shell a Socialistic policy from a Socialistic dictator.. Taxing a few more dollars on the back of working people will do NOTHING to quench oblamas thurst of power. And that is why he MUST go and the sooner the better.

      • eddie47d

        Unions earned what they achieved through long and tedious negotiations.Some gave up weeks and months of pay to gain a few benefits.You are worse than a bitter old man with a chip on your shoulder.

        • Buster the Anatolian

          “……. union officials enjoy a loophole that exempts them from federal prosecution for acts of violence and vandalism they orchestrate in the so-called “pursuit of legitimate union objectives.”

          This is the kind of “long and tedious negotiation” eddie supports.

  • Raggs

    So what the hell is a “fair share” of taxes?
    Is it fair that 50% pay nothing and this retard oblama wants job creators to pay more?

  • Dale on the left coast

    Most Americans don’t pay much attantion to what is going on in Europe. They have been on the Obumbler Plan for many decades now. What has the result been??? Why numerous countries are filing for Bankruptcy. Greece is toast, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland soon will follow. The Euro will likely not survive.
    So . . . why would any “Thinking” American want to try the same Socialist Policies that sank Europe here in America???
    When the “Rich Folks” think they are taxed too high . . . what happens??? They LEAVE!!! How much tax do you collect then??? ZERO . . . just like our fearless leader!!!

  • Roger

    No “TED G” takes TWO ( at least) to make a deal. A corporation with ETHICS wouldnt take Government largesse or special priveleges.

    • crisscross

      Crumbling ethics is a moral hazard of all of these government welfare policies and programs, not just corporate welfare. Social welfare has led to massive food stamp, Medicare, Medicaid and other waste and fraud, not to mention the damage this has done to America’s basic understanding of the respective roles of individuals and the government in a theoretically free society. This is one of the reasons the Founders believed the federal government should not have been involved in these activities in the first place. Now we pay the price for listening to “living, breathing document” revisionists who have disregarded or distorted the most fundament limits constitutionally imposed on the federal government by our Founders.

    • Ted G

      O.K. So shall I take this to mean that you kinda agree with my point?
      If so then your points and previous arguments are weak if you only attack the one while ignoring the other! It kinda shows some bias as well as an ideological bent don’t ya think?
      This kind of talking past each other does not help us all find solutions never mind build consensus.

  • Allan Denial

    Class warfare has been going on for years against middle class and the poor. Look what it has done to this country. How much more can you take from the middle class and the poor? There is a simple solution. Create a flat tax rate, where EVERYONE and CORPORATIONS pays the same flat rate period.

    • crisscross

      A flat tax would be fairer and cheaper and more efficient to administrate. Spread evenly across class lines, it would tend to end class warfare to finally shut up divisive charlatans like Obama and other class envy socialists, since everyone would have skin in the game, it would naturally regulate against costly government expansion. But any such tax should be designed to remove the federal government from our personal lives. The income tax should be retired and replaced with consumption or other Constitutional taxes that would free us from the intrusive IRS or other federal agencies. Then we could cease being hypocrites and honestly claim our mantle as the “home of the free and the land of the brave.”

      • Jeep

        Although I whole heartedly agree with your premise, it is an unfortunate fact that the “cat is already out of the bag”. Too many in our once great nation have tasted the forbidden fruit of “free money” and govt largess. Although I cannot state this as fact, I would be willing to bet that there is a corresponding rise in illegal immigration with the rise in govt handouts. That’s not to say that this is the main problem. The crux of the matter comes from once average American’s who are no longer independant or self reliant. Couple those leaches with the “flower children” who love to help others…as long as it is with OPM (other people’s money). And, an entitlement under-class has developed that is unsustainable and virtually unstoppable. As long as people have the right to vote for govt programs, America is in peril.

        • Raggs

          Well Jeep… Of course oblama has to raise taxes on the “rich” to pay for his re-election via illegal immigrants.. Now just who did you think that was going to baby sit the illegals once oblama got their votes? It sure aint the rich.. It is you and me that will buy these slimy bastards a new house for their votes.

  • Raggs

    So barrackula has sucked all that he can out of our economy and he now targets the top money in order to fund his re-incarnation as a bigger loser.

  • Jack

    If the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 expire as they were intended to
    when they were made law, the poor working stiffs making a $1,000,000.00 (one million dollars for those of you who have trouble with numbers) a year will have to pay an additional $40,000.00 a year in federal income taxes. What an outrage. For sure, such a proposal must be some commie, socialistic plot to impoverish the rich. That’s got to be why our so intelligent right wingers agree that such an idea must be class warfare.

    Why in the world can any of you lazy, liberal, socialist, communist
    leeches who only live to leech off of the rich think that it is unfair that a hard working hedge fund operator who made billions of dollars placing bets (buying credit default swaps) that the value of assets would go down (betting the economy would go into the tank as it did) should pay more than 15% of their income for federal income tax? After all those making the bets are certainly more important to our economy because of all the jobs they create (the handful of employees that work under them)than their office workers who have to pay 35% of their income for federal income taxes.

    How can you lazy no good parasites still think that a larger burden of paying for the cost of society should be placed upon those who have both benefited the most from our society and have the greatest ability to pay. It has been well proven by the right wingers that in reality it is only fair and right that the rich pay less while the average and the poor rightly bear a higher burden of paying for the cost of society because they deserve what they get. After all they wouldn’t be in that position if they were only smarter, harder working, better looking, born to a wealthier family, or luckier – then they would be rich.

    Hey, right wingers, stop acting like lemmings blindly following some
    leader off a cliff. You are never going to be rich so stop the pavlovic reactions merely because Rush, Sean, Bill, etc. or some Republican politician or Tea Party front man tell you to be outraged that the rich are being treated unfairly. Remember those people make a fortune conning people like you.

    The Republican/Tea party answer to all problems – tax cuts, deregulation, free trade and trickle down economics. History proves them right. Just look at how the middle class has prospered under those policies. We cut the taxes on the rich (job creators in 2001,
    2003 and extended them in 2010 and just look at all the jobs that were created. Why with those tax cuts the rich job creators have created lots of jobs, lets see they have created err, err, well just cut their taxes more and you can be assured that this time they will create a lot of jobs.

    Its all these damn regulations that are stopping the job creators. If we would just deregulate then business would boom and jobs would be aplenty. Let see we slowly started deregulation under Carter and continued under Clinton and then when whole hog under Bush II. Look what happened. In a few short years our country was on the brink of economic collapse. Oh don’t worry just deregulate more and this time it will work.

    If deregulation led to the economic mess that we are in how can further deregulation do anything other than lead to another economic mess?

    Free trade brings prosperity, just ask any rich Republican. Just ignore the fact that since 2001 some 50,000 manufacturing companies no longer manufacture things in the United States and over 5,000,000 manufacturing jobs are gone. Have more free trade and the Republican assure us this time it will work.

    Trickle down economics works wonders for all. That’s why the poor and middle class are doing so well. The top 400 earners make more than the bottom 150,000,000 combined. The top 10% have over 80% of the wealth. But rest assured, if we do again, this time there will be a chicken in every pot.

    Yes the Republican/Tea partiers have the answer for everything, which is to just go back to doing exactly what got us into the mess we are in now.

    One last thing I know all you right wingers are so concerned about the national debt now that a member of the Democratic Party is once again President. When a Democratic Party member is President, all good right wingers suddenly become concerned about the national debt, something that was of no concern to them when a member of the Republican Party
    holds the office.

    From the history of the United States through President Carter the national debt totaled less than one trillion dollars. Reagan increased
    the national debt to some three trillion dollars. Bush I increase it to
    almost five trillion. Clinton, with the tax increase that passed without a single Republican vote – the increase that the Republicans said would plunge the country into a recession – the one that led to
    budget surpluses and put the country on the course to have its entire national debt paid of by the end of Bush II’s term – increased the debt less than a one trillion. Bush II with the tax cuts (remember one of the selling points was that the national debt would be paid off to quickly if we didn’t do the tax cut), the unpaid for off budget wars, unpaid for prescription drug (Medicare Part D) and much more basically doubled the national debt to some eleven trillion dollars. Now Obama with trying to get the country out of the greatest economic crisis in some 75 plus years has added close to three trillion to the debt (the 2009 fiscal year budget and spending course was set by Bush II so blame him).

    • Buster the Anatolian

      To who ever is the monitor of this site. This is one of several posts that should have been censored because of its legnth like you did one of the other post.

  • chuckb

    barry has increased the national debt further than any president in history, he has increased the debt more in over 2 1/2 years than bush did in eight. and he’s asking for more. you forgot to add in the democratic (bolshevik) congress & senate pelosi and reid. you forgot the healthcare, law that will add to the misery. blame bush for the 21009 budget, wh

  • chuckb

    continued: barry was a sitting senator in 2007 and voted for every increase and bailout. he added to the 2009 budget, so he is as much to blame for that one.
    your figures don’t jive, better check out your union source.
    barry is the biggest fraud to ever set in the white house and will destroy this country unless stopped.
    the debt never got out of hand until the democrats took over in 2007 and your messiah barry soetoro was a sitting member.

  • Bay

    Think of this…. The Worlds’ economies COMBINED cannot support HUGE GOVERNMENT, USA…. So how is it possible that 1% of earners can? And without reduction of size of Government? …NOT LOGICAL!

    USA fate was decided in the lead-up to mortgage packages designed to default the banking system toward re-capitalization… Socialist elites have (instead) ‘De-capitalized’ our nation…

    And in their ERRED world vision which sought to rid disparages of the world…(not possible) ….By agreement, our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, was harvested…

    While we fight each other, and win better talking points… There are only three plausible scenarios, if [TOGETHER] we fail to reduce the size of the US GOVERNMENT MONSTER…

    Few will be promised favorable treatment to sway their elections, 30% DEATH, and over 60% poverty and oppression… Right now, the rapidly widening NATIONAL POVERTY sets all records…

    Visit your National archives, and check the recorded details of the ‘Intolerable Acts’… We must go with the Constitution, and even liberals MUST (hold your nose) and form a Tea party way to…

    Vote them all out!!

  • s c

    Lenin and Marx both thought that socialism and communism were two words that shared the same meaning. Obummer’s insane attacks on ‘the rich’ is simply his way of showing his handlers that he’ll say and do anything they want. Obummer is a socialist and a communist and SO much more than that.
    We don’t have enough rich, filthy rich or super rich people in America to make a difference when it comes to taxing them to accomplish some vague, fuzzy goal. Forget paying off any debt, people. Politicians like Obummer know that certain words or phrases [like 'soak the rich'] will make their followers drool, but they also know it won’t solve anything.
    It’s a type of vain, childish muscle-flexing. In Obummer’s case, it’s more trying to flex the thick muscle that’s between his ears. You could say he’s muscle-bound (between his ears), but it doesn’t make him intelligent. It just makes him look another Chicago thug whose fame will be short-lived. Then it’s back to the Chicago pig sty and working in the shadow of Rahmbo and the rest of the organized crime scum.


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