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Obama’s Lies To American Youths

May 24, 2012 by  

Obama’s Lies To American Youths
Has President Obama turned his back on the promises he made to America's youths?

In 2008, Barack Obama proved that he is really good at one thing in particular: preying on the Generation Y crowd.

With the promise of “Hope” and “Change,” celebrity friends, a good Internet campaign presence, an overall campaign presence that just felt so very underdog — so grassroots — and an aura of rolled-up-sleeve-sunglass-wearing-antithesis-of-politician coolness, Obama was able to gain favor with about 66 percent of the coveted 18-year-old to 29-year-old voter bloc.

Aside from the campaign image, Obama made some promises to America’s youths: more jobs for recent college graduates and young people, an end to perpetual war and a new look at the War on Drugs.

Unfortunately for the President, he has failed to deliver on any of these promises in his nearly four years in the White House.

For those concerned about getting a good job out of college, there are some telling statistics:

  • One in two college graduates under the age of 25 is unemployed or underemployed.
  • The unemployment rate for 20-year-olds to 24-year-olds has jumped to 13.2 percent from 12.4 percent since Obama took office.

Overall, only 54.3 percent of Americans aged 18-24 are employed; that is the lowest number since 1948 when employment numbers were first tallied.

Perhaps when Obama promised that his Administration would expand employment opportunities for youths, he wasn’t talking about American youths. A recent report by The Washington Post illustrates that the Obama Administration is going to great lengths to make sure fun, safe and paying summer jobs are available — to about 100,000 foreign student workers who will visit this summer on visas.

The article explains that on May 11 the State Department “issued rules that ban foreign students from jobs that could be harmful, limited them to light, seasonal occupations that are not likely to displace U.S. workers and required closer scrutiny of their conditions.” Certainly, by Obama’s logic, none of those18-year-old to 24-year-old Americans who are unemployed would like to work as a pool cleaner or a lifeguard this summer. Besides, they should be taking summer classes in an attempt to see how close they can get their student loan debt to six figures.

The President has not done so well with regard to helping American youths find gainful employment, but surely he has gained some favor among the bunch with his foreign policy prowess. Though the warmongering, profiteering, neocon antics of the George W. Bush Administration should have been an easy act for a peace-promising President to follow, Obama simply doubled down on war.

The President promised to end the war in Iraq within 16 months. He didn’t. Obama did, however,  manage to authorize a surge in Afghanistan, lob thousands of missiles at Libya in a “humanitarian” action in coordination with NATO, and announce that he is sending 100 special operation personnel to Uganda as “advisers.” His Administration covertly involved the United States in supporting the “Arab Spring” in Egypt, Libya and Syria. The President also learned that targeting enemies with secret drone strikes was met with less chagrin from the general public. So the drone has become his “big stick” — which, by the way, is also a weapon that he doesn’t mind using to assassinate American citizens. And thanks to his partnership with neocons in passing the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, he can now even target citizens on U.S. soil or detain them indefinitely.

Lies from the President of the United States are not funny; but if one had to be, it would be Obama’s drug policy hypocrisy. It holds as a pretty fundamental truth that members of the 18-29 demographic largely adhere to a libertarian view with regard to the War on Drugs: End it. That’s why when a Presidential candidate writes in his memoir Dreams From My Father that he once experimented with various illegal substances, they appreciate his honesty.

Obama writes, “I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it… Junkie. Pothead. That’s where I’d been headed; the final fatal role of the would-be black man. Except the highs hadn’t been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind. Something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory.”

Obama promised to allow the legality of medical marijuana to be an issue decided by the States; but once he was elected, his Administration began a brutal crackdown on medical marijuana. Maybe his memory just got a little blurred around the edges and he forgot what he said he would do.

Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, explains the President’s drug policy as follows: “The Obama administration’s latest moves strongly suggest that their medical marijuana policies are now being driven by overzealous prosecutors and the anti-marijuana ideologues who dominated policymaking in past administrations. Barack Obama is betraying promises made when he ran for president and turning his back on the sensible policies announced during his first year in office. Instead of encouraging state and local authorities to regulate medical marijuana distribution in the interests of public safety and health, his administration seems determined to recriminalize as much as possible. It all adds up to bad policy, bad politics and bad faith.”

If you can stand the profanity, comedian Penn Jillette summed up nicely earlier this week how Obama’s hypocrisy with regard to medical marijuana is ridiculous:

The President told young voters many more lies when he was trying to get their vote in the last Presidential election, there are surely many more to come. Obama’s most recent fairy tale to his young constituents involves promising them a lower interest rate on Federal student loans. Of course, he could be lying.

Breitbart reports, “College students are being played for suckers by the Democratic Party again. Barack Obama’s 2013 budget indicates that the interest rate on federally backed student loans student loan will jump from 3.4 percent to 6.8 percent in the summer of 2013. This comes as Obama is preaching his love for college students on campuses by virtue of his agreeing with the Republicans to limit the rate to 3.4 percent. The doubling of the rate will only occur eight months after Obama’s reelection can be attained.”

All of this makes one wonder if the Obama Administration can sell “Hope” and “Change” now that young Americans know what the terms look like in practice. If not, Obama has a new one liner: “Forward.” Hopefully, this time American youths will look for meaning in the word before the election.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Warrior

    Anyone who believes this hack pol from chicago is fit to play a lead role in anything needs to retrace and examine their own beginnings and ask themselves, How did I get to this place?

    • Donald York

      Every time this divider in cheif opens his mouth, HE LIES, problem is, the idiots beleive him.In November Joe cool needs to go down in flames.

    • s c

      Warrior, it probably won’t come as a surprise to you, but Chicago is an Amerikan Indian term that means ‘a place that smells like skunks.’ As luck would have it, Obummer’s ideas smell like skunks. The fact that ANYONE could believe a professional liar LIKE Obummer is a sad fact that will cripple Amerika for generations.
      Obummer “providing” jobs for kids with degrees is no different than Ponzi and his schemes. His shuck-and-jive reeks. The W H is an open sewer. To compare Obummer to a skunk is to insult the skunk. It truly ‘smells’ to high heaven, readers, What that smell reminds you of is your choice (I wouldn’t want to influence your decision).Amerika CAN’T afford to live with lies, a nose-numbing stench or braindead followers who have sold themselves to a fantasy that will never exist.

      • eddie47d

        The name Chicago come from the garlic plant that grew in the area. Considering that garlic is good for you then Chicago must be a good place to be in.

        • truesoy

          If you needed any more proof for the disoriented state of the conservative mind, there you have the evidence, compliments of s c.
          Just reading one comment from a conservative is evidence enough that their arguments are void of facts.


      • Donald R. Megerle

        Once again…Right On!!

        • Jeff

          Heavy, man! Exactly how stoned does someone have to be to find this interesting?

      • dufas magnet

        “Amerika CAN’T afford to live with lies”..

        If that’s truly your opinion s.c. then you’d best not vote at all this election because your gonna get just that no matter which way you lean.

  • Tom Cook

    Obama is popular with the white age group which joins the communist party and wastes time with the “occupy” bunch of scum, with blacks who are as a group not yet civilized and are in a prolonged neolithic state of being since they never went through thousands of years of social progress and are still hunter gatherers plucked from the savannah and placed into developed societies, with Jews who cannot seem to understand who their friends are after thousands of years of persecution and evidently harbor a self-image of being losers, and then the group of people who think backwards about everything believing that the bad is good and that they are intelligent when they are actually stupid: those we call liberals who sedulously work to destroy anything positive and espouse and adore the depraved–queers(mainly baby rapers), abortionists, transgendered who are not even good waiters and hair-stylists.

    • Robert Smith

      From Tom: “queers(mainly baby rapers),”

      Pedopiles are NOT the same as gay folks.


      • Donald York

        Pedophiles are odd, so, they are queer.

      • OneGuess

        NOW we know. Thanks, “Rob”.

    • Fred Ethyl

      So, your point is that Tom Cooke is retarded?

    • Karolyn

      What does sedulously mean?

      • Don

        Sedulously is a word (according to Webster’s) and means “Constant in Application ” or “Diligently”. He probably should have used the word “Diligently”.

      • Paul D.

        And not, of course to be confused with “seditiously”.

      • s c

        K, PLEASE buy yourself a DICTIONARY. I was convinced long ago that most wannabe utopians have no use for the English language. When I scan reader responses, it’s disgustingly obvious. Public “edukayshun” may WORK, but it also sucks. What a monumental waste of time, money, resources and LIVES.
        HOMESCHOOL. Solve the fricking problem, Amerika.

    • Jeff

      Are you a real person or a comedy writer? Excellent parody of a racist, homophobic, anti-semitic idiot.

      • Pappy

        Hi there, Jeff boy
        Thanks for letting me understand that there are people tlike you who really believe the lies coming out of the White House and media.
        Our public schools have been dumbing down America for decades, to where many no longer have the skills needed to discover truth from fiction. If the trend continues, America is headed for a Middle Ages society comprised of serfs (ignorant peasants) with kings and nobles (politicians and elites) living high and sucking the serfs (you and me) dry.
        Truly, God help us.

    • Vigilant

      Mr. Livingston, your comment policy says you will not tolerate racism.

      Tom Cook says “blacks who are as a group not yet civilized and are in a prolonged neolithic state of being since they never went through thousands of years of social progress and are still hunter gatherers plucked from the savannah and placed into developed societies…”

      I can think of few comments as racist as that.

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear Vigilant,

        In this case I believe far more good is done by allowing Tom Cook to expose himself as the neanderthal he is by allowing his comments to stand than by removing the comments altogether. He has been placed in moderation, however.

        Best wishes,

      • Vigilant

        Thank you sir.

  • Robert Smith

    Wow! One in six in jail for pot!!!!!!

    That is just so dumb in a society that calls itself “free.”


  • roger gunderson

    I would call Obama the “great deceiver”. He used his charismatic charms in a very hurtful manor. To fool the people. To me that is the same as a thief in the night. I feel used by him. He used his lofty words to put my trust in him ONLY to get elected. I will never ever trust this man again. He is in the same category as the traveling salesman selling “snake oil”. I’m sure the black people will vote for him only because he is black. So be it.

    • eddie47d

      Young foreign students coming over here to work has been going on for decades and American students have been going overseas to work also. Looks like Obama is trying to make that minor problem more fairer and putting up restrictions in favor of our youth. When it comes to marijuana he like any President has to get over the continuous Conservative hump of those demanding serious action on the drug front. Since he made it clear that medical marijuana would be left alone then there must be other forces at work in allowing these raids against dispensaries. Admittedly it doesn’t make him look very good but if he is too gung ho about the issue the Conservative forces will box him in and say he wants to turn America’s youth into junkies. The way to change the drug laws is to convince the Conservatives and religious right there is a better way in handling the problems that arise. It’s the Conservative right who pushes more draconian laws that put more and more citizens in prison not the Liberal left. It’s the Conservative right who also demand longer sentences for drug usage which absolutely solves nothing. Drug treatment cost 1/3 of that of prison and in only one year. Yet the CCA (Corrections Corporation of America) have the system by the balls and demand more people be incarcerated. They have demanded within their contracts a 90% occupancy rate at their prisons. So the drug sentencing will only get worse not better and the SWAT teams will be nabbing more “recruits” for CCA.

    • Hey You

      I haven’t trusted politicians for years – - ever since I grew-up.

    • Jeff


      What has Obama done, or tried to do, that he did not run on? If you feel deceived now, wait until you see President Romney in action!
      Obama’s achievements:
      Kept the economy from going over a cliff;
      Saved the auto industry and at least a million jobs;
      Ended the idiotic Iraq war (actually occupation);
      26 months of economic growth;
      Focused and got Bin Laden.
      Couldn’t close Gitmo
      Couldn’t pass Dream Act
      Expanded drone killings (problematic)
      Hasn’t been able to reverse the stench of Bush (worst President since Nero) quickly enough.

      If you think Romney will do better by reprising Bush (tax cuts, deregulation, bellicose foreign policy), you are truly deluded.

      • OneGuess

        He appears to be doing his best to run the economy off a cliff. Getting Osama…what a laugh. He no more got Osama than I did. What are you? Just another Obamao apologist. Nothing more.

        • Jeff


          I detect no facts in your post but a lot of attitude. Turn off the AM radio and Fox News and find out what is actually happening. Republicans and their proxies are constantly lying about Obama. Among the most common:
          He’s raised taxes through the roof.
          He’s increased spending every year.
          He keeps apologizing for America.

          None of that is true but you will hear it over and over from the Republicans between now and November. Our deficit is primarily (overwhelmingly?) due to the idiotic Bush Tax cuts which are still in effect thanks to the Republican Congress. Facts sometimes have a liberal bias.

      • post time

        OBL has been dead for 10 years.

        • Jeff

          Are you sure he’s not in your basement with Jimmy Hoffa?

      • LM

        Man you are totally delusional! Obama has done nothing but set his sites on tearing down this nation from day 1. He has apologized to foreign countries for the actions that founded America’s freedom centuries ago. He bowed to an Islam leader, he’s said that America is NOT a Christian nation (yea, that’s why all of our money says “IN GOD WE TRUST, right)! He has succeeded in raising our national deficit to an absolutely astounding level all the while pointing the finger at the previous president. He could have come in and said “we are a nation in trouble, I don’t care who made the mess, it time to clean it up”, BUT NO!!! As for the car & housing industries he supposedly saved…he slaughtered THOUSANDS of familes dreams in the process. He kept all the banks afloat so they could FORCLOSE on thousands of people, stealing their homes and cars and almost everything that they had. That money could have been given to the people with stipulations that it had to be put back into mortgages or new cars and those industries would have still gotten that money, and the people would have prospered, but NO he didn’t…and he didn’t CARE. Why? Because it set him right into his next step for govornnment takeover. Not to mention that he smooth talked a “credit limit” increase (when we couldn’t even pay the debt we had) instead of just cutting spending(maybe firing some czars and a $120,000/yr dog keeper and 12 personal assistants for Michelle the spoiled socialist princess). For the first time ever our nation’s credit rating has been lowered. He doesn’t follow rules that every other president has been held to. If he doesn’t like the answer he’s given, he does whatever he wants to and authorizes things as HE sees fit, not for the betterment of this nation. The number of Welfare recipients(Lazy Lifers) have been steadily increasing since he was elected, and unemployment has NOT gotten better, I don’t care what the Smoke & Mirrors President and his Czar cronies are saying…He’s taking this nation down from the inside out. Enought facts for you? OH, and lets not forget the little Spring Break trip for his daughter and 12 of her friends on OUR TAB and the vacations for Michelle and the girls to Spain and Christmas year after year in Hawaii with the dog and keeper flying separately because as MUSLIM faith dictates they are unclean animals are can’t travel with the family. Just ask his “Holy Quran”, OH WAIT that’s right he’s not MUSLIM. Note the sarcasm in case you missed it. WAKE UP and stop drinking the kool-aid.

        • truesoy

          Please, LM, DON’T let your therapist read your written nonsense, or they’ll never release you from that institution you are in.
          I suppose the “M” stands for madness, right?
          Hope you get well soon. Take care, ok?


        • Jeff

          I’m sure you were equally concerned about the costs of Reagan’s and Bush’s vacations.

        • Jeff

          I see no facts. Lots of attitude and adjectives, a few lies (like the apologizing thing) straight from the Fox News-AM Radio World, and mucho, mucho craziness.

      • eddie47d

        I thought they all needed proof Jeff but they keep insisting that he died 10 years ago.

    • Steve

      I agree 100%!! Fire All Of Them!!!!!!!!

      • Jeff

        Are you guys all from 17th Century Salem? I’ve never seen so many baseless accusations. You don’t even attempt to link facts to your vitriol. I get it. Obama is Satan. What else do you morons have?

  • randall

    of course obummer and romney are supported by the very same folks – global banks. so whoever gets elected, global banks win – whopeeee. when our country has to borrow 40 cents of ever dollar it spends and we have over 700 trillon unfunded liabilities (promises to pay), our govt would need to cut govt by 50% immediately to even address our debt. since both parties do not support cutting govt at all, their idea of a cut is to cut how much budget is supposed to increase, by raising taxes or taxing rich. hahahahaha, we have been played for fools. our so called leaders for the last 30years have shipped all the jobs they could to slave labor countries, the new one world govt model. all our institutions are failing: govt that does not serve the people, schools that do not eductate, hospitals that do not cure anybody of anything and relgions that do not teach spirituality. time to WAKE UP. become self-relient, grow your own food, learn what plants grow around you that are edible. become debt free, change is coming

    • JON

      Who is obummer?!? I know who Obama is. He’s our president.

      Does calling him names give you that superior feeling to get you through your day?

      • OneGuess

        Obamao may be the current President…More’s the pity. Do you feel good defending the indefendable? Maybe a “tingle up the leg”? Hmmm?

      • JeffH

        Comrad JON, does being a childish ignoramous liberal and a hypocrit get you through the day?

    • Jeff


      If you are truly an equal opportunity hater, why the name calling only on one side? Could you just not come up with a clever (and so original) name for Romney? Or are you just another Republican fool?

  • James Hastings

    How do you convince an addict, drugs will kill him ? You can’t. How do you convince a young adult, who isn’t supporting themselves, that nothing is free ? You can’t. My kids had to grow up, to realize, all youth, including me, didn’t understand reality. But this time, reality will be histories worst nightmare. The country is delusional and unstable. Soon.. to be very violent too.

    • Hey You

      The human brain is only fully developed after the age of 25 years of age. No wonder the young people are so easily led.

  • Pete0097

    It is amazing to me, as an engineer, how many pre-law students were on drugs in college. Very few engineers, but a lot of pre-law. It seems like they take the same attitudes into the work place when they become politicians. Maybe more engineers and business majors should go into politics. The lawyers don’t seem to be doing such a great job.

    • Paul D.

      I have often wondered if lawyers should specifically be excluded from legislative bodies. Or whether it would just introduce a different set of problems.

    • cawmun cents

      “Maybe more engineers and businessmen should go into polics”(paraphrasing)
      But think about that for a minute Peteoo97?
      Wouldnt that mean that the folks who would ordinarily become lawyers then might have to become engineers and businessfolk?Can you imagine the ordeal you would have to go through then?Lawyers have screwed everything up since time immemorial,and you want to put them incharge of business and engineering?
      It has already been done.
      Thats why the whole system is screwed up Pete0097.
      Lawyers have their fingers in every pie thats possible for them to jab at.
      Its only necessary to check the percentages to figure that out.Fact is that you cannot get away from a lawyer no matter how far you run in this nation.
      I am willing to bet that if you fell into a glacial crevasse in Denali while climbing Mt. McKinley,there would be a lawyer down there telling you that he was looking out for your best interest,which is why he was waiting for you there.
      There are just plain too many lawyers.
      A trillion dollars in student loans outstanding should tell you that.
      And with no end in sight we ponder why we have this mountain of debt we are climbing and when we get stuck in the crevasse of frozen glacial gubment,there are lawyers waiting to draft laws to keep the expedition going.
      But you will never reach the summit because the mountain of debt keeps growing.
      The lawyers keep drafting laws.
      The liberal institutions keep churning out lawyers,who keep churning out debt,who keep drafting more laws….so on and so forth.
      I need a beer.

      • OneGuess

        Good post, as usual. Thanks. Have a beer for me as well.

    • JerryWheelerWroteThis..

      Engineers? Are you sure..?

      A psychology student was to help a professor in conducting a personality test. The room was set up with various props in order to move through the assessment quickly. The first person to enter the room started through the test.

      “How does this glass of water look to you?”

      Person 1: It is half empty.

      Student writes ‘pessimist’ in his report.

      Person 2 enters the room. “How does this glass of water look to you?”

      Person 2: It is half full.

      Student writes ‘optimist’ in his report.

      Person 3 enters the room. “How does this glass of water look to you?”

      Person 3: Looks like you have twice as much glass as you need there.

      The student looks totally blank and goes to consult with the professor.

      “Oh them!”, the professor says, “I forgot to warn you about the engineers! They have no personality.”

  • Thinking About

    Lies to students? It is true the interest rates on student loans will rise unless Congress does not take action soon. If you think it is a political move by Obama, then believe what you want but then wake up to the truth of non action by Congress will raise rates. Yes, Obama did call on Congress to take action and if this is political then it is also political for Congress to use this issue.

    • JeffH

      Thinking About, don’t blame it all on Congress when the Reid led senate refuses to to hear them. 22+- jobs related bills Reid refuses to open for debate on the floor.

      • Thinking About

        Did Obama lie to students when he stated interest rates would go up if Congress did not take action soon? No, you don’t like it because “job related bills” did not get through the Senate, seems like it is the normal in the present Congress in their do nothing moves. The do nothing attitude might be the reason Congressional approval rating is so low.

      • JeffH

        Thiking About, you’re just caught up in the rhetoric. Why do you respond to my comment and then try to divert away from it? Typical Alinsky programmed liberal response.

        In case you are unaware, Obama is and always has been a liar. He’s deceptive and mis-represents the facts. Once again he ducking and shucking hs responsibility and placing the blame on anyone but himself.

        You are aware that Obama’s 2013 budget proposal would have doubled the interest rate on federally backed student loans from 3.4 percent to 6.8 percent eight months after the November presidential election?

        I guess in your mind then, because both parties have unanimously rejected his budget proposa(s)…that’s zero for two by the wy, that it is still the Republican’s fault. That’s where I have a problem…Obama placed all of the blame on somebody else yet it was his idea to double the student loan interest rate i the first place…in other words, he lied again.

        Don’t get the wrong idea, they’re all to blame. Why is it that the non-leader O’man refuses to stand up and be accountable? Answer me that!

  • FreedomFighter

    The news that Obama didnt lie about something would be shocking.

    Dont expect a transfer of power even if Milktoast Mitt wins, perpare for whats coming.

    You have been warned, time is short.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Hey You

      There will probably be civil unrest after the November elections. If the challenger is elected, the people who live on benefits will see a cut on their life style; if the president if reelected, the taxpayers will see fraud in vote counting.

  • Damn Buster 2012

    I’ll be dam glade when we remove that Clown from office(an office he should never have had to start with !!!)

    • Hey You

      Are you against “democracy”?

      • wheelgun

        Against democracy? Absolutely.
        I am for a Constitutional Republic.

      • Kate8

        wheelgun – Good answer.

        Don’t forget the the paid shills on the Left are selected for their lack of political astuteness and utter lack of understanding of our Constitutional system.

        We know who they are. They are here all day, every day, except on weekends. So, either they blog on the job (it IS their job) or they work nights (in which case they are really zombies as they require no sleep). Probably both.

        In case you missed it:

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Very interesting and could be true, but how can we really know if it is?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – How do we ever know anything is true?

        Some things tend to be self-evident. In any case, we all pick and choose what we believe based on our own biases.

        However, sometimes it’s a logical deduction, based on common sense.

    • JON

      I’ll be “dam glade” when you discover how to correctly use the English language!

  • Steve E

    Obama’s last resort is to fool the college students again. He knows that most of the other parts of the population are aware that he’s an awful President. He got the college vote in ’08 and now that group is unemployed. They got what they deserve. Let’s hope these college kids today recognize this.

    • eddie47d

      Most of those youth are well aware that the unemployment came from the previous administration and the newly unemployed realize that the Republicans in Congress haven’t done a whole lot for their betterment either. Maybe they are smarter than you think.

  • JON

    Of course Obama lies! He tells people how nice the right wingers are. Other than that he’s a hardworking and honest man. Deal with it!

    • Kevin

      You got some Kool-Aid running down your chin, you might want to wipe off.

    • s c

      Comrade ‘j,’ either get yourself ‘fixed,’ or learn the difference between LIES and the truth. And to think that many generations of freedom-loving members of the military died so you could devolve and somehow be proud of yourself. Get help, comrade. You ____!

      • OneGuess

        I believe MORON is the word to put in your _______.

    • Vigilant

      JON once again shows his ignorance with “Of course Obama lies! He tells people how nice the right wingers are.”

      Nothing could be further from the truth. NO PRESIDENT has ever leveled more insults at the Supreme Court, Republicans in general, or the people who “cling to their guns and Bibles” than this sorry excuse for a leader. From “the Cambridge police acted stupidly” to calling Paul Ryan to a public meeting just so he could insult him, this man is the most divisive in our history.

      Have you heard President Bush, a gentleman if nothing else, publicly fault finding with Obama? No, you haven’t. But to hear Obama and the lefties on this site tell it, Bush is to be blamed for EVERYTHING wrong with America.

      You want a list of Obama’s lies? Go to

      You, JON, and your traitorous compatriots, are a despicable lot.

      • Jeff

        The truth is Bush is responsible for most of our problems. His tax cuts are still with us. One of his wars is still with us. His deficits (cutting taxes while starting 2 wars) are still with us. Face it, you guys will blame Obama if the stock market drops in 2025! the difference is he won’t be responsible. Bush’s policies, still in effect, are directly responsible for the slow economy. At least Obama has turned things around from where they were in January 2009. Or can’t you remember back that far?

  • sabulaman

    If only one lawyer a year was to graduate from college for the next 30 years, there would still be too many lawyers around.

    • OneGuess

      For every lawer that passes the bar, two or three should be forced to retire.

  • middle man 2012

    Hey Jon what Makes you say that !!Your Ideal of a “honest man”Seems pretty low!!!!!

  • Damn Buster 2012

    Jon,Sorry but haven”t you ever heard of “silent E’s ” Before??????

    • JON

      No. I can’t hear them because they’re silent. :-)

  • ladybug

    This petition has been signed by over 38 thousand people and that is only the tip of the Obama iceberg. He is destroying our country. He is trying to make it a nanny state, and burying us in debt, He isn’t fit to be president because he doesn’t believe in the Constitution and I don’t believe he is eligible. People are waking up to the devious ways of the man. Too bad congress is too lily-livered to stand up to him and impeach him.

    independent voter

    • Chris Coolidge

      We impeach Obama, say hello to President Biden. I’m going to vote Libertarian this year, Gary Johnson seeks like an OK guy. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, vote for whoever you think would do a good job running the country, vote your conscience. Either Obama or Romney will be elected no matter what we do, if we get as many people as possible voting neither Demmican nor Republicrat, that’ll send a powerful message. Vote for none of the above.

  • kkflash

    Jeff. You are the one who is deluded and posting messages devoid of facts.

    1) “Kept the economy from going over a cliff” – B.S. We’re closer to the edge of that precipice than we’ve ever been. They’re simply hanging on by devaluing the dollar, giving morons like you the illusion of growth through “quantitative easing”. And don’t try to blame our situation on Bush. A Democrat controlled Congress spent us into oblivion.
    2) “Saved the auto industry and at least a million jobs;” – The bailout of GM alone has cost the taxpayers $100 billion dollars, and it didn’t save a million jobs. That’s more lying propaganda from the biggest liar since Hitler. The entire auto industry only employs about 750,000 people in the US, and those jobs weren’t all going away if they had let GM fail. Other companies would still build cars and hire workers and buy parts made by still more companies. Demand for autos doesn’t dry up because one company fails. Not only is “saved a million jobs” a lie, but it’s stupid policy even if it were true. $100 billion divided by a million jobs is $100,000 per job! Why didn’t they just give the workers the money? It would have cost less and done more.
    3) “Ended the idiotic Iraq war (actually occupation);” – The withdrawal from Iraq was already started before Obama was elected. He just took longer getting it done than the original schedule.
    4) “26 months of economic growth” – B. S., Another illusion for fools like you who don’t understand the shrinking value of the dollar. Obama’s lying economists tell you we have ~2% growth while simultaneously devaluing the dollar by 5 times that amount ( and lying about the rate of inflation, too). That’s not growth, it’s another lie.
    5) Focused and got Bin Laden.- Saying Obama is responsible for getting Bin Laden is so stupid, I’m not even going to address this one.

    Obama is the most untruthful, unqualifed, unpatriotic, and unconstitutional President we’ve ever had, and you are fool for supporting him.

    • Pat

      Rex Nutting is a columnist and MarketWatch’s international commentary editor, based in Washington. Note: is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

      Rex Nutting writes that Obama’s overspending never happened:

      Be sure to click on page 2 for the complete report.

      If you really care about America and its future educate yourself with reliable facts.

      People who really want to know the truth do their diligent research on non-political websites; not just repeat what they hear on Republican radio and FOX TV or the plethora of websites written by Obama/Democrat haters.

      America can become great again but it will take everyone working together toward that goal.

      A goal of “beat Obama” at all costs, such as demonstrated by the current House led by Speaker Boehner and the millions spent on false political ads by PACs enabled by Citizen United, is non-productive.

      • Pappy

        Hi, Pat
        You quote statistics.
        Statistics are like a woman in a bikinni, very revealing but concealing the most important parts. Sometimes, looking at the bottom line says it all.

        The current WH has not been able to get a budget through congress in more than three years (a record) with the first two years having a lock on both houses by a solid democratic majority. Second, the figures you use do not include the money taken into the US Treasury. Third and most important, spending is wildly out of control.

        The US is going head over heels into a bottomless pit of debt. Who is responsible for that? To absolve the WH is to say we live in Winki Land. The US debt has increased much more under this president than any other in history. We have a president who blames everything on something else (sorry, I admit he’s said nothing about the Tooth Fairy, at least to date).

        Come on, stop trying to blow smoke up my dark-time pot.

        • Jeff

          The debt has increased because the Bush tax cuts are still in place. Name another leader who ever cut taxes to finance 2 wars. Apparently, you want to go through Round 2 with Romney.

  • Me Again

    Obama needs to grow up and accept responsibility. He is a joke and now he wants the young people to be like him. Good luck, he is a liar and a Marxist. His Marxist economy is stuttering. Now he is begging Germany to stimulate so he can get re-elected.

    • Jeff

      So stimulating the economy does work? Only in Germany but not here? Get your story straight unless your story is:
      Obama bad, Republican good!


    Were I to take a school loan in this day and age under the auspices of thei government administration, I would be in debt for almost the rest of my natural life or I could work for the government for the next ten years after graduating and hve my loan forgiven, in other words I could sell my soul to the company store.

    More scams than you can count coming from the band of crooks in the WH where we have a uncredentialed in the Oval Office who no one knows anything about… he can look at your records you consider private any time he wants but you will be in hot water should you try and look at his legally restrained records or ask him about his BC….elitism, this is what you will get everytime.

    • Jeff

      Let me get this straight. Obama is the elitist. The guy raised by a single mother and his Grandparents who through intelligence and hard work went to Colombia and Harvard Law School. We know Bush, who was born to more money and privilege than anyone can imagine, wasn’t an elitist because he sounded just like a guy you used to drink with. Now, Romney. And Obama is still the elitist? Get real.

  • Ben Dover

    Republicans lie 1000 times more than Obama. They are experts at screwing the middle class, the environment and women and then shifting blame to Democrats. The really sad thing is that many Americans are stupid enough to believe it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      How is it that your first sentence is a lie? Then your second sentence is a lie, as well as your thired sentence. So you are a liar from your first word to the last.

      • JeffH

        :) … not to mention that he’s borrowed his name from his job title… :)

      • Jeff

        To say there’s an abundance of stupidity here is an understatement, but what Ben Dover said was neither factual nor a lie. It was an opinion.

      • JeffH

        Jeff…and???? Your point, other than the fact you are one of those participants?

      • Jeff

        To Jeff H:

        The point was, if it wasn’t obvious the first time, is that what Ben Dover said was not a lie but an opinion. In the real world, there’s a big difference. You can disagree with someone’s opinion without saying he’s lying.

      • JeffH

        Nadzieja Batki’s comment was also an opinion…so? If I were to guess, I’d say that NB’s opinion was closer to the truth.

  • Buck

    Americas youths would not have fallen for it if the indoctrinators in our classrooms hadn’t done such a great job of dumbing them down . We can only hope these last three years have awakened there natural intelligence .

    • Jeff

      You wingnuts are something else. You talk about Obama like he’s a foreign occupier (I know you actually believe that). When we on the left criticized Bush it was primarily for what he did (idiotic tax cuts, idiotic wars, deregulation), not who he was (a rich jerk born on third base who immediately stole 2nd). Bush earned every derogatory nickname he ever got. He was easily the worst President ever and that includes lots of bad ones like Nixon. In fact, if Bush were the standard by which Presidents are measured, Nixon could be on Mt. Rushmore.

      Obama, on the other hand, has been extremely competent in conducting and winding down the Bush occupations, and he has made good progress in reversing the Bush Depression with zero help from the Republicans. He saved the auto industry (clearly Lenin would have done the same) and he prevented the economy from going over a cliff. Remember, when he took office we were losing something like 600,000 jobs per month and the stock market was at, what, 6,000?

      Now, the economy is growing (26 straight months?). Clearly, we’d all like the growth to be faster. Had the stimulus been larger and less weighted toward tax cuts, growth would have been faster, but you guys pretend everything was fine until Obama decided to destroy the economy with stimulus. If Bush had an economic record anything like Obama’s, you guys would be calling him the greatest president ever and building statues to him.

      Now, Romney wants to reprise Bush’s plans and cut taxes more, deregulate the banks some more, and get more bellicose in foreign policy. Romney will be Bush on steroids with the same outcome. He may get lucky and the Depression resulting from his Bush-like policies won’t hit until the next Democratic president takes office.

      • JeffH

        Well Jeff, seems there has been some conflicting information previously published, a promotional biographical booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

        It is evidence…perhaps not of the President’s foreign origin, but that Obama’s public persona has perhaps been presented differently at different times.

        The biography does, however, fit a pattern in which Obama, or the people representing and supporting him, manipulate his public persona. Obama has been known frequently to fictionalize aspects of his own life. As an example, in 2008, Obama claimed that his dying mother had fought with insurance companies over coverage for her cancer treatments.

  • Adam F. Kohler

    Teenagers will believe almost anything the first time. This is why American voters should either be property owners or at least 25 years old.

  • Damn Buster 2012

    Good point Adam(But I would put the age limit of 21 to vote)By the way JON let me point out that the word”VOTE”has a silent “e” on the end of it.(I learned that in the first and second grade.)Where the hell is YOUR English????????????(Could it be you didn’t finish first or second Grade???????????

  • Wildey

    Is a lie nothing more than one persons version of truth verses anothers? Christ said I am the way and the truth. A bold statement to say the least. That statement would imply what He says is truth and anything that contradicts it is a lie. Is there anyother measure of truth? Satan has been given the ability to persuade people to his thinking, that’s all. That tells me there are only two sources to which people can turn to to make a decision. A persons virtue, or lack thereof, and character tells other people who a person is listening to. Man was created with the ability to reason and a conscience a man’s link to his creator. When he severs that line of communication he sets himself up to do or say whatever he wants. When a person follows Christ’s words he would call anything contradictory a lie. A man like Obama in my eyes is a habitual liar. He’s narcisstic so he doesn’t even know what a lie is and people listening to him accept his word as truth when the results of his actions defy the very truths he’s espousing.. If not himself, where did he get truth from? Is he a source of truth? Can I build my life over what he says? Not hardly.

    • Jeff

      Where are the lies?

  • FEDUP!

    What do our opionions matter when the left is allowed to rig elections?

    • Jeff

      Your favorite idiot Bush won twice through let’s say questionable elections. First Florida, then Ohio. Exit polling is always accurate – except when a Bush is running! If they actually counted the votes in Florida, Gore won it by probably 20,000 votes.

      Your right wing Supreme Court “rigged” the election and put in place the worst, most destructive administration in American history. Obama has turned things around but he’s not a faith healer. It takes time to get over a disaster of the magnitude of Bush-Cheney!!

      • truesoy

        I guess FEDUP’s selective memory forgot about ‘hanging chads’ in Florida.
        Talk about ‘rigging’ an election in ways that not even a self-respecting banana republic could get away with, compliments of the republican party.


  • Not a Gay Filet 2012

    Good SHOT Wildey,I Agree!!!! .To JON .Who may have not finished First,or Second Grade;The word”Wildey”has a” y “that sounds like an “E” ,for your information,that is why a “Y” is some times a Vowel!!!!

    • middle man 2012

      That information is also from the First Grade(DAM “Silent ‘E’s’ any way”)

  • truesoy

    Sam Rolley has aken so many turns around so many ‘facts’, that it is virtually impossible to separate most from fiction, or as some might say, cheap republican self-promoting propaganda.
    Maybe Sam Rolley should be reminded (though I doubt he ever forgot) that it was the republican agenda from the beginning to make Obama’s administration a failed one, Sen. Mitch McConnell said so himself, that that was their number 1 priority. And unless Mr. Rolley is willing to call the Honorable Mitch McConnell a lier, he must admit the truth about the republican ways that mask a more sinister agenda.


  • NotThatEllen

    Might we all feel better if we backed away from anything that plugs in…and maybe got some fresh air?

  • Truth Be Told

    I see you are running scared. You make up stories and put them out over the wire as facts. Only when independent voters look at the facts, do they show the Republican agenda. Try and discredit the president, because the GOP was sent packing, in disgrace. You could not make your case to the American public, when your policies brought this country to the brink of disaster. And as truesoy states, and how true it is, when the GOP and Sen. Mitch McConnell said so himself, that that was their number 1 priority, was the republican agenda from the beginning to make Obama’s administration a failed one. It will remain to be seen if the rest of the country sees past your lies and propaganda.

    • JeffH

      truesoy and Truth Be Told…both of your names appear to be an oxymoron of sorts. What Republican agenda may I ask? What’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats? Same coin, different side…that’s pretty much it.

      As for Obama, he purly a Marxist/communist/socialist hybrid, a radical community organizer that can only lead the sheeple to slaughter.

      We the people are not Republicans or Democrats and we want him to fail, not because he is a faux Democrat, black or white, but because we are an integral part of a sovereign nation and a Constitutional Republic and we cherish our liberty, freedom of choice, free market capitalism.

      We the people don’t worship Keynesian economics, a One World global government, the UN, central banks and the Federal Reserve or the phony fear mongering of man made climate change.

      We like to keep what we work hard to for, give to the charities of our choice and despise crony-capitalism and environmental extremism. Most of all we believe in the Constitution as the supreme law of the USA and anything short could be considered treason.

      • truesoy

        It seems that your shallow knowledge of things you should understand will require more time and effort than either one of us has to make understand. The sad part is that when people like you vote all of us suffer the consequences.
        There are two types people:– a) the ones that don’t know; and b) the ones that don’t know, by choice. I can’t tell which one are you, though.
        One thing I could tell you, though, is that you are in first place for the ‘sharpest bowling ball award’.


      • JeffH

        truesoy, among other things, your ad hominems are what gives you away. That you prefer a European bran of socialism, clearly support a Marxist trained community organizer who has nothing to offer but smooth talk and Alinsky lies. This great country was built by strong leaders, men and women of good charachter ant not apologists, decievers and especially not by Maxist/communist/socialist progressive liberals like yourself and Obama who prefer the government have complete control over the people. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you will be able to contribute to the cause of saving our Constitutional Republic. Unless you come to your senses(?)you’ll continue to wallow in the Republican/Democrt paradigm that you’ve been conditioned for.

        FYI, at one time I was a pretty good bowler myself, four 300 games and a personal high 3 game series of 847. I bowled with a 15 lb. Manhattan Rubber bowling ball in my heyday.

        • Jeff

          Mr. H:

          I detected at least a dozen ad hominems in your brain-dead rant. In case you weren’t aware, “socialist” does not mean “ass hole” and the Marx in “Marxist” is not Groucho.

      • JeffH

        truesoy, as for being shallow…take a good hard look in the mirror. You’re high on rhetoric and short on knowledge and facts.

        Through shallow intellect, the mind becomes shallow, and one eats the fly, along with the sweets.
        Guru Nanak

      • JeffH

        Jeff, at least a dozen? Liberal sheep don’t care for the truth…try taking a peek in the mirror yourself and then you can tell me you’re a proud progressive.

        Are you an advocate of progressivism, socialism, Marxism or communism? Do you consider yourself to be a “progressive. Are you a big fan of Obama’s politics and the direction(reverse)he’s chosen to create a new face for the USA? You don’t have to answer of course, but let it be known, I have a pretty good idea of what you are and what you advocate…and it ain’t anything our founding father’s would be proud of.

        “Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them.”
        - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

        • Jeff

          Most of your post is ad hominem attacks. Why do you have to label everything with a label carrying negative baggage? If someone favors the most successful paying a bit more in taxes so the middle class can pay a bit less and the poor are not destitute, why do you have to bring up the spectre of communism, Stalin, etc? Do you think you’re impressing someone?

          I know you don’t believe it but we used to have a social contract. The rich could get richer but they had to provide a little for the poor and put up with unions so workers could move into the “middle class.” We now have a party that thinks the New Deal is a communist plot. You know who didn’t think that – Eisenhower. He thought such thinking was “stupid.”

          • truesoy

            Part of the problem comes from some in the middle class itself. Organized Labor (the unions) put $2.00 in their pocket, thought they were rich and became ‘conservative republicans’. They foolishly bought into the ‘republican fairy tale’ (some are still buying it), but they too, sooner or later will have to face reality.


          • Jeff


            I don’t know how much longer I can stand to read all these idiotic posts. For a while I enjoyed needling Shavager (Bumbler) and Col. Kurtz as they are clearly insane. Now, there are people here who are actively dangerous like Katrael and Jeff H. Why do all his posts have swastikas on them? Katrael thinks he talks to God who tells him he has the right to do whatever he wants whenever he wants and thinks I’m lying because I disagree. There’s a limit to how much craziness you can let yourself experience. Keep up the fight for some measure of sanity.

        • truesoy

          ..and I quote you.: “liberal sheeps don’t care about the truth…..”
          Really JeffH?. IF anyone shouldn’t talk about ‘sheeps’, is you and your conservative crowd, for I remember you guys ‘cheering’ during the Bush administration.
          Now, that was really “sheeplish”, and you guys did it with pride, and still do.
          Next time you say ‘sheep’, think about yourself.


      • JeffH

        Jeff, if you’re trying to impress someone, you’ve failed miserably. I’ll give you credit though, you do go off on good little rant yourself.

        If you don’t mind me askin’, how old are you and were you educated in the public school syatem?

        Times have changed since the days of Eisenhower and unions, in general, have outlived their usefullness…especially public unions. I suppose you feel that “rich” folks owe you something and that unions stand for something other than coercion. Back when Eisenhower was POTUS, people worked hard to earn their living and provide for their families. They didn’t have this sense of entitlement with a heavy dose of class envy. They didn’t expect government to support them, provide for them.
        Oh how times have changed.

        Something I’ve found you liberals don’t much care for are “labels”. You’re not the first to complain and you won’t be the last either. Get used to it though.

        If you walk like a duck and talk like a duck…then you’re a duck, plain and simple.

        • Jeff

          I’m old enough to know what guys like you are all about. When I was in high school in the early ’70s we attended a couple of meetings of the John Birch Society. We thought they were from another planet. They would come right out and say what they thought about public schools (They didn’t like them: if your parents can’t send you to private school, you shouldn’t go.), race relations, economics, etc. There was a crackpot perennially running for Congress who used to peddle “None Dare Call It Conspiracy,” another book only crazy people read. Unfortunately, I’m finding much of what used to be considered the luny right finding its way into mainstream Republican thinking.

          I believe the country faced a real crisis in the ’30s and that without FDR and the re-establishment of a social contract, there may well have been a revolution. If you think that’s all behind us and unions are unnecessary, you may have some surprises coming.

          The progressive movement is behind such radical concepts as food safety standards, worker safety standards, the 8-hour day, the minimum wage, social security, Civil Rights, Medicare, the G.I. Bill, and others. Every one of these (some now seen as commonplace and commonsense) was opposed by the powers that were (ie the conservatives).

          So, be a conservative if it feeds your soul, but don’t be so imperious about it.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, “social contract” and admiration for FDR is all I need to know about you. Thanks for a final clarification. I’m not familiar with the John Birch Society so I’d say that one doesn’t hold water. Obviously we’re at opposite ends of the spectrum and there is no compromise in site…you’ve been dumbed down.

        I stand with freedom and liberty for all, not a big government controlled state and I’m certainly not a Republican.

        Progressivism prefers collective social welfare over its perceived adversary, individual freedom. It is an either or situation: you are free one way or free their way. If individual freedom triumphs progress is not possible. To be “free” in the progressive sense is to be liberated by government forces from unpleasant social circumstances created by your fellow citizens. For the Founders, freedom is protected by government. For the Progressives, freedom is having your physical welfare secured by government, your physical welfare being a protection from the perceived excesses of others’ individual freedom in the marketplace.

        Questions for thought: Other than children, the clinically insane, and the most challenged among us, are people capable of caring for themselves? Providing for their own retirement? Making choices concerning their children’s education? Incapable of avoiding exploitation?

        It was during the progressive period that the socialist groundwork was laid for the massive growth of government and diminishment of individual freedom during the New Deal. Some of President Woodrow Wilson’s wartime programs were the predecessors of FDR’s New Deal regulatory agencies.

        The New Deal policy of a redistributive welfare state became the center of politics from which policy was made. This remains the center of politics to this day. 1936 entwined progressive liberalism into our otherwise stubbornly free national political consciousness, and we’ve been sipping on this political oil-and-water cocktail ever since.

        Remember, still today in this country, even the most strident socialist agenda has to be cloaked in verbiage not offensive to freedom. It has to be marketed and sold, dressed up in enough freedom-friendly language for the American public to either buy it or to be made unafraid. Socialism is still a toxic word with the public, freedom euphonic to our ears. This is why American’s refusal to believe anything done by this or any past administration is socialist could be a good thing.

        In order for Americans to accept socialism, socialists have to dress it up in freedom’s cloak. This gives us hope and an opportunity. No one, seeking to push any agenda onto the public, disparages freedom or the Constitution; they have to give freedom some kind of lip service. They are playing on freedom’s home field, not the other way around.

        Partisans of freedom need not play word games like progressives. We simply need to educate ourselves and those around us, to let the lessons of liberty guide and instruct us. If enough people appreciate this fundamental understanding of freedom and the Constitution, no politician, elitist, or media talking head can sell us socialism.

      • JeffH

        truesoy, that’s a pretty selective memory that must go way back. Conservatives have recognized for a very long time that “Bush” was never a conservative for quite some time now. You see, unlike you liberals, we came to realize exactly what Bush was and what the Republican Party is…in other words, we don’t worship the guy like you worship Obama, he not and never has been “the messiah”, the savior of social order. If you paid any attention at all, you would see that just by the comments on this website.

        Feel free to stay locked in the Republican/Democrat paradigm, that’s exactly what both parties want…people like you are blind, non-thinkers, mindless followers, worshipers that can easily be duped and led around by smooth talker’s just like Obama.

        • Jeff

          I know you think you exist on a higher plane, but for the foreseeable future, there are only 2 choices politically. Maybe someday you’ll start a party just for pedantic iconoclastic jerks, but until that day you, like the rest of us, are stuck with democrat v. republican.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, “exist on a higher plane”…now I’m laughin’ at your ignorance. Nothing could be father from the truth. You stay with your little two party beliefs, that’s your problem not mine. I’m just not a guy that aligns myself and limits my beliefs to any party system.

        There are alternatives available for those that aren’t limited thinkers, the Libertarian Party…would be my choice.

        Libertarians hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

        Libertarians seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

        We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

        Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

        Sadly, your believe in a state that has control over your property, your money and your lives thru social welfare, redistribution of wealth where the end justifies the means is classic Marxism/socialism/progressiveism and ultimately commu ism…that is what the two party system is all about…two sides of the same coin.

        • Jeff

          How do Libertarians deal with the excesses of corporate greed? Do they believe in stopping pollution before it occurs? No. Do they believe in any reasonable regulation of big business? I know, in theory, it sounds good. In practice, I’m not so sure. Rand Paul is even against mine safety regulations for miners’ lives on the theory that the badly run mines will have trouble attracting workers. I’m telling you it won’t work. I’m totally with the Libertarians on the social front, but in economic matters, if the Government is not there as a counterweight, Big Banking and Big Oil will dictate everything including the quality of the air you breathe.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, I’m not a Libertarian but if I had to choose, the Libertarian Party would be my choice.

        You’re speaking out of ignorance with your questionioning of Rand Paul’s mining safety position and your belief that government is your freind. Our government is corrupted throughout. They’re in bed with their cronies and are incapable of deciding, fairly, what is good and bad in this country.
        It’s called crony-ism. That is what rns this country now and the greatest majority of Republicans and Democrats are willing partners, willing to do the bidding of the money that lines their pockets and influences their legislation…call it crony-capitalism…not to be confused with capitalism.

        Democrats in both the House and Senate are urging stricter mine-safety rules in the wake of April’s deadly explosion at a West Virginia coal mine. But Paul in May dismissed the idea that mine safety is a job for Congress, Details reported, arguing instead that local lawmakers are better suited for the task.

        “The bottom line is I’m not an expert, so don’t give me the power in Washington to be making rules,” Paul said in response to a question about the West Virginia blast, according to Details. “You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You’d try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don’t, I’m thinking that no one will apply for those jobs.”

        “Dr. Paul has been clear that he favors more local control rather than ham-fisted, one-size-fits-all dictates from Washington,” Hogan said. “Insinuating Washington bureaucrats are the only solution to problems is insulting to Kentucky.”

        Lawyers and government beaurocrats believe it is the role of Big Government to regulate…the government cannot even regulate themselves and their own corruption, ie crony-capitalism.

        • Jeff

          Mine owners have more influence in Washington than they should. They absolutely own the legislatures in West Virginia and Kentucky. Do you actually expect to have real regulation in states like that? Keep dreaming.
          “States rights” has always been the fall-back position of people who don’t want any government action at all. If you want mine owners in charge of mine safety regulations, leave it to the States. Now with Citizens United, a big company can buy off a small state legislature with petty cash!

      • JeffH

        Jeff, let me clarify one thing for you. I love my country, I just don’t trust my government anymore. They’re no longer a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

        Ignorance by the people who put their trust in government is why our Constitutional Republic is eroding, giving up personal liberties to “the state”, trusting them to work for us, not against us. Our government has become a government of eletists who have no clue about how we live our lives, the responsibilities we take to raise our families, support our communities, give to the charities of our choice.

        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. (Preamble)

        Our country was not founded under the principles of, or meant to be, a “nanny state”.

        • Jeff

          At least you’ve dropped the communist/socialist talk. If you don’t want elites in the government, vote for a truck driver. The problem is big business is well represented by big-time lobbyists paid to write legislation favoring big business. If you send people to Washington who also favor big business or who are unsophisticated in terms of finding the “loopholes” in legislation, you might as well just turn the country over to Exxon and Chase Bank and be happy for any crumbs they give you.

          I know you and Sean Hannity will disagree, but when demand dries up, the government must step in and spend. In actuality, spending under Obama has been way too flat given the prolonged sleepiness in the economy. Under Obama, federal spending has increased about 1.5 per cent compared with 7-8 per cent under Reagan, about 5 percent under GHW Bush, 4 per cent under Clinton, and another 7-8 per cent under GWB. Hate Obama if you must, but hate him for something he actually did – not for AM radio fairy tales.

      • JeffH

        Oh Jeff, don’t be so ignorant and naive. Sorry pal, you really don’t have a clue about much of anything real in this world do you…way too much MSM rhetoric and not enough reality.

        Progressivism is the ideological cousin of communism in Russia, national socialism, that is, Naziism in Germany, and fascism in Italy, respectively. The movement shares the intellectual roots of European state theorists such as Hegel and Marx.

        Under progressive philosophy, freedom is understood as a condition brought upon individuals by the state, not a right already naturally possessed by the individual. Furthermore, the state decides which groups of people are worthy of such freedom, termed “valuable associations.” Progressives continue to use the word, freedom; they simply redefine its meaning.

        So you see, I have no plan to drop the Marxist/socialist/communist and progressive talk. History has defined it, you want to live it…I refuse to!

        • Jeff

          There we go. Back to the reflexive name-calling. Here’s a clue: When you have to resort to invoking Hitler and the Nazis, you’ve LOST the argument. Tell it to Glen Beck or someone else who will listen. You’ve lost all credibility here.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, quite the contrary. You’re a liar #1…never mentioned Hitler, not once…#2 what I’ve said in my comment regarding progressivism is historical fact.

        You mentioned Hannity in an earlier post and then bring Beck’s name, like most all of the liberals think FOX provides all the info the rest of us need to form our “twisted” opinions.

        As for credibility…it’s in the eyes of the beholder and though you can’t disprove anything I’ve said to be a lie or even
        mis-information, I’ll stand squarley on what I’ve presented here as creditable and historically accurate.

        You’ve been duped and don’t even know it.

        FOR GOD & COUNTRY!

        • Jeff

          So sorry. I guess you meant the other Nazis.

      • JeffH

        FYI, You can learn something new every day if you’ve a mind to.

        Hitler did not create the Nazi Party, the party was created by Anton Drexler.

        National Socialism (common English short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology practiced by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany. The ideology was developed first by Anton Drexler.

        Anton Drexler (13 June 1884 – 24 February 1942) was a German far-right political leader of the 1920s, instrumental in the formation of the anti-communist German Workers’ Party. The German Workers’ Party was the precedent to the Nazi Party, and Drexler served as mentor to Adolf Hitler during his early days in politics.

        Here is a list of their leaders
        Karl Harrer…1919–1920
        Anton Drexler…1920–1921
        Adolf Hitler…1921–1945
        Martin Bormann 1945 (last)

        • Jeff

          I’ve read the biographies. The Nazis were 3 drunks in a bar before Hitler joined them. The entire world knows that when you say Nazi, you’re talking about Hitler.

          The real question is why can’t you disagree with someone without bringing up Nazis and communists. I’m always amused when right wingers start comparing Obama to Hitler or Stalin when the fact that they are still talking is proof he is not!

      • JeffH

        Jeff, don’t be a hypocrit…you complain about name calling yet it is something that you practice yourself…want some cheese to go with your whine?

  • Jeff

    Jeff H:

    Why are there swastikas on your posts? You may be even sicker than I originally thought.

    • JeffH

      LMAO! Nur spielen mit dem Kopf Herr Jeff! Das Swastika ist das Zeichen für die Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei!

      Sie sind wahnhafte zu denken, dass ich bin Obama auf Hitler oder Stalin vergleichen. Es ist die Ideologien des Marxismus, Kommunismus, Faschismus, die der historischen Cousin des American Progressivism ist.

      Es ist schade, dass Sie nicht annehmen und es noch trauriger ist, dass Sie nicht die Tatsache annehmen können, dass Obama eine marxistische Hybrid ist.

  • fish

    Hey! “GAYBAMA” You are not fooling anyone–unemployment is over 22%–Inflation over 11% Gas-doubled—”GREAT FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT”. We know you were born in Kenya! Your a LIAR and a Nazi Dictator. Just keep feeding these “STUPID” American your SOCIALIST KOOLAIDE and they will continue to LOVE YOU. “Zeg Hiel!” “GAYBAMA”

    • Jeff


      Get some professional help.


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