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Obama’s Islamic Alliance

October 12, 2011 by  

Obama’s Islamic Alliance

The Wall Street Journal recently pointed out that when it comes to job and energy security, President Barack Obama simply doesn’t get it. The WSJ is right. For all his soaring rhetoric, the President’s September “jobs speech” demonstrated zero insight into how America could really grow its economy while reducing its dependence on Mideast oil, as that region becomes ever more chaotic.

Despite his abilities as a campaigner, Obama continues to demonstrate his inabilities as a leader. The nation has suffered because of Obama for three years. Hopefully, there’s only one more year to go.

The WSJ reported how briskly Canada’s economy has recovered from the crash of 2008 and how secure Canada is when it comes to its energy self-sufficiency.

“Canada has recovered all the jobs it lost in the 2009 recession, and Alberta’s oil sands are no small part of that. The province is on track to become the world’s second-largest oil producer, after Saudi Arabia, within 10 years. Meanwhile Mr. Obama clings to his subsidies for solar panels and his religious faith in green jobs.”

Obama is not alone with his Green dreams. Liberals in entertainment have been back at it, protesting Alberta’s oil sand projects on Canada’s Parliament Hill.

A core issue for the latest protest has been blocking the construction of TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline. Liberals want to make sure that permits for its construction are blocked. What they don’t take into account is that the construction of the XL pipeline would mean an investment of $20 billion. And according to TransCanada, the project construction phase will result in 13,000 direct hires and 118,000 indirect jobs in the United States.

That is the benefit from just one project. According to a study commissioned by the American Petroleum Institute and released last month, pro-development policies in fossil fuels in the U.S. and Canada could create an additional 1.4 million jobs, and raise more than $800 billion in additional government revenue over the next two decades.

It is estimated that Alberta’s oil and gas industry supports 30,000 jobs plus hundreds of thousands of indirect jobs in industries such as construction and manufacturing. Because of petroleum, the province has an unemployment rate of 5.6 percent.

And it turns out that having a strong oil sands industry in Alberta is good for America. There are almost 1,000 U.S. companies doing work in the Alberta oil sector.

What America needs is for Washington to open offshore drilling as well as domestic oil and gas exploration in the arctic. Such programs would create jobs and allow us to finally tell the Arabs to choke on their oil.

Hollywood Must Love Islam

Obama either believes in the science fiction fantasy that affordable renewable energy will be developed any day, or he simply won’t give up a devilish deal with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Companies — most notably the decade-long commitment to support Saudi Arabia, regardless of how many terrorists are born and bred there. What secret arrangements Obama may have with the House of Saud, I can only guess.

What puzzles me more is why some U.S. celebrities hate Canadian crude even if it means being dependent on the brethren of Osama bin Laden.

Most people in the entertainment business probably could not find Saudi Arabia on a map. But this boot that is planted in the heart of the Mideast is controlled by a tribe of billionaires who have grand ambitions — even if they have to bootstrap jihadism to keep their oil fiefdom together.

While I am all for keeping ducks safe from oil ponds, I am much more worried about a much bigger evil: the House of Saud.

So what is the real Saudi Arabia like? My only information comes from the news, books and the stories my dad told me after he returned from a month-long business trip to the Kingdom in 1962.

Dad interviewed Prince Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud for his publication, OilWeek Magazine. The Prince, who would become known as one of Saudi Arabia’s most progressive leaders, was a good host. My father was able to see some Holy Shrines and the Ghawar Oil Field, by far the largest conventional oil field in the world. And just so my old man didn’t get bored, he also got some front-row tickets to a public beheading.

In the decades since then, Saudi Arabia hasn’t changed much. The Toronto Star reported that the Kingdom recently beheaded a man for, believe it or not, sorcery.

What Obama and his liberals don’t understand is that Green technologies don’t work and Alberta’s oil sands are a far better option than depending on Arab oil, especially Saudi oil.

Keep in mind that 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi born. Also remember that the House of Saud launched not one but two oil embargoes on the United States. If you remain unconvinced that the majority of Saudis (including the royal family) hate America, pick up Robert Lacey’s recent book Inside the Kingdom: Kings, Clerics, Modernists, Terrorists, and the Struggle for Saudi Arabia.

Lacey’s book is a chilling examination of the changes that have happened between U.S. and Saudi relations over the past three decades and how the majority of Saudis despise the United States even as they are gleefully happy to sell the country their enormous reservoirs of oil.

Lacey recounts how one young Saudi science teacher was horrified as he watched the planes crash into the Twin Towers on 9/11. The man shared his outrage with other teachers who warned him that he must keep his opinions to himself and not dare make the mistake of talking to his students about the terror attack. Another teacher warned him: “If an Islamic court finds that your thoughts are ‘secular,’ they take that to mean that you’re a Muslim who has renounced the faith, that you’re an ‘apostate.’ And the penalty for apostasy is death.”

Most disturbing is the quote Lacey attributes to Prince Amr Al-Faisal, a member of the House of Saud and a well-known Saudi businessman. “As a Muslim, I condemn what bin Laden did. But the Saudis are daring people, and it is not surprising that one of the most daring terrorists in the world should be a Saudi. As many Muslims saw it, the falling of the twin towers was a lesson to the pride and complacency of the Americans. It gave them just a little taste of what the Muslims have been going through.”

Do we face a future in which the United States will have to depend on the likes of Saudi Arabia for our energy needs — this tribe of Bedouins, most of whom hate the United States? It seems so. Obama is counting on his coalition of Greens to block Alberta oil sands projects and restrict U.S. oil and gas exploration.

I suggest you ask yourself this when you vote next year: Is Obama a President that the United States can afford?

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    We know he is a muslim and he wants us to buy oil from his buddies i say get our own oil why get it from our enemies.

    • Lewis Munn

      Agreed. We have lots of our own, and we can take the needed precautions if the government doesn’t get in the way.

      • Rich

        I have been in the oil business sense 1981. I engineer oil refineries. I began my career at Fluor designing the cooling towers. The US does not have nearly as much oil as the pundents & GOP candidates claim. This is a fact. The estimated total world oil reserves are expected to top out they’re max output in 25 to 30 years. After that they will begin to decline exponentially.

        To address your comment about proper precautions. Spills do and will happen. Equipment fails. Humans make mistakes.

        Additionally. Much of the oil we do have as well as the oil sands in Canada are very high in sulfer. This can’t be removed and so fuel created from it can’t be burned in the US, so it will be shipped to countries like China. If you care to see what burning high sulfer fuel will do, look at Mexico city & Bajing. If you live in a city you will find the air almost impossible to breath. The Keystone XL oil pipeline will not help America or our fuel prices. It will create only about 2,000 temp jobs. After that, unless you own a lot of oil stock, it will do nothing for Americans.

        Reading these other postings makes me sad that so many of you speak about beliefs rather than facts. I’m talking to you “Birthers & Islama-phobs”

        And for all you who religious people who believe the in the Federalist Papers… I suggest you read “If you can” the Jefferson Bible. It’s available online.

    • Doc Sarvis

      President Obama is a Christian.
      Previous U.S.Presidents have spent much more time with the Saudi Oil Elite “buddies” than President Obama.

      • http://naver samurai

        Bzzzzz wrong again doc! Obama bin Laden is a muslim and admitted it at a nationaly televised speech. Why do you and your ilk say he is a Christian? Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • eddie47d

          Doc is correct again. Although Obama has a Muslim history he is now a Christian. He represents all Americans which means his duty is to support all religious faiths in America. We know that Samauri wears his religion on his sleeve and that is okay by me but then again you are not the President. As you notice most Mid-East countries also wear their religion on their sleeves and in everything they do. They live, breath, speak and are governed by religion. It also traps each and every one of their citizens. Where free speech and voting is looked down upon. Where there is no free flowing of ideas to inspire future generations. It’s fairly clear that religion should be kept out of the hands of government for theocracies poison advancements and keep citizens chained to the past. Religion is the main reason why Saudi Arabia and most Mid-East countries live in the 13th Century. Individual beliefs are beautiful and helpful to millions but not when government dictates your every move. Also it was American Standard about 100 years ago that built the Saudi oil empire. So the Saudis achieved nothing on there own.

          • s c

            e, why don’t you go ahead and admit the truth. It’s common knowledge that you and your ‘peers’ are beyond slavish in your devotion to the One. We know that he can do no wrong in your eyes. This ‘devotion’ is not new in history. it’s been recognized for a long time. Go ahead and look at your ‘leader’ in that special way that only true slaves can do it.
            Germans have a very special word that describes slavish worship. Why you’re bashful about it is beyond me. That word, in case you haven’t figured it out yet, is fuhrer.
            Now, don’t you feel better? Be advised that it’s a good idea for you to keep your uniforms in the closet, though. If you attract too much attention too soon, your ‘plans’ will meet overwhelming stiff resistance.
            By the way, if you’re trying to become ‘popular’ on this website, whizzing up a tall tree wil be easier. Polish those boots, and smile for the cameras. Avoid the rush, and get your tattoos now, e.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Obama has clearly stated on video he is a muslim and that he will side with muslims. Even his wife confirmed it on video. Look it up and watch the videos.

          • Patriot II

            eddie,

            Christianity is a Belief, not a Religion. Make no mistake about it, a true Christian believes John 3:16, 17 and 18.

            Which pretty many states that you will die in Hell and not go to Heaven unless you believe in Christ’s sacrifice and accept his death as atonement to God his Father for your sins.

            That’s it, that’s all there is to being a Christian. The “works” that Christians do after they have done that, comes from the Love from God that flows through them in order to help others.

            Religion can be (but does not have to be) a way of Organizing and being a “useful conduit” for God’s love to flow out to others.

          • eddie47d

            SC has never been devoted to the truth so you my dear are the slave to contrived baloney each and everyday. Your morning Bzzzzz isn’t very impressive and you always leave out any facts. Hello do you have ANY knowledge upstairs or is it back in the barn with the mule? Since the fuhrer had extreme right wing goals it could be that you are hiding behind the nazi cloth and need to come out of the closet, err barn. I don’t search out popularity like you do SC as you try and be the first out of the gate, err barn each and every day. You you lack evidence of intelligence but then again you must have left it back in the barn. Bring your shovel!

          • Jibbs

            eddie47d says:
            October 12, 2011 at 10:21 am
            SC has never been devoted to the truth so you my dear are the slave to contrived baloney each and everyday. Your morning Bzzzzz isn’t very impressive and you always leave out any facts. Hello do you have ANY knowledge upstairs or is it back in the barn with the mule? Since the fuhrer had extreme right wing goals it could be that you are hiding behind the nazi cloth and need to come out of the closet, err barn. I don’t search out popularity like you do SC as you try and be the first out of the gate, err barn each and every day. You you lack evidence of intelligence but then again you must have left it back in the barn. Bring your shovel!

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            Eddie, you have never provided one link to the truth, never ever. But you sure tell some whoppers and always try to put words in peoples mouths. Like I said the other day you never tell the truth, you only repeat the lies the MSM or the government tells you.

            Identifying a Pathological Liar

            Pathological liars – or “mythomaniacs” – may be suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder.

            Some characteristics

            1. Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.

            2. One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be – this will probably not be effective. It’s threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there’s anything wrong with them.

            3. They “construct” a reality around themselves. They don’t value the truth, especially if they don’t see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, “Well, what’s the difference? You’re making a big deal out of nothing!” (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs).

            4. Because these people don’t value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment.

            5. They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there’s some mysteriously “illness” that has them all stressed out. It’s another excuse tool for their behavior.

            6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren’t smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?).

            Another WikiAnswers contributor adds:

            They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying “I brushed my teeth today,” when they didn’t.
            They add exaggerations to every sentence.
            They change their story all the time.
            They act very defensively when you question their statements.
            They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn’t.

            An alternate ‘checklist’:
            Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth.
            Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc.
            Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say.
            May have a personality disorder.
            Extremely manipulative.
            Has been caught in lies repeatedly.
            Never fesses up to the lies.
            Is a legend in their own mind.

            More opinions and input from WikiAnswers contributors:

            I have found a few differences in pathological liar and a “slime ball” liar. Pathological liars cannot tell that they are lying; they actually believe the lie as soon as it comes out of their mouth. They lie about unimportant things that don’t really matter to anyone. This can be caused by mental defect but isn’t always. Slime-ball liars lie about things that make them look better or embellish to get attention. They also lie to keep their butts out of trouble and to get what they want.

            Here are things to ask yourself: How could this many things happen to one person? Would believe these stories if someone else told you? Think back to the beginning: you had red flags and alarms going off in you head. Learn to trust your instincts.

            It is very hard to tell when one is a pathological liar. Some people just are liars and lie to lie because they can and they don’t care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it’s no big deal. It’s like “ok, so what? I lied”. The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies.

            But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, “I am sick, I don’t know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc.” The only truth was the fact that they don’t know why they lie. Other than that it’s crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie.

            It is about them but the lies are not always set up with the purpose to hurt some one else; it’s that these people feel so low about themselves they need to create ANYTHING different from the ugly reality they feel about themselves so they lie about even the most tiniest little thing. The people closest to them get sucked into these lies which sometimes start as something very trivial and then turn into something that can turn everyone involved worlds upside down and inside out.

            Unmasking the pathological liar is an easier task when the pathological liar is no more than a casual acquaintence to the “un-masker.” Close relationships provide camouflage for the pathological liar, and intimacy provides a heavily-fortressed breeding ground.
            Other indicators: 1) Rage attacks after they realize you’re questioning their lies. 2) Distraction techniques, e.g. hanging up the phone when you catch them in lie, playing word games, or even just running out of the room. After using the distraction technique, or rage attack, or sometimes both, they will pretend that nothing ever happened. They re-write history, so it never did happen in their minds. Normal people do it too, but these people take it to the extreme.

            From “Go Ask Alice”: Lies are unplanned and impulsive. Behavior is repeated over a long period of time. Lies don’t seem to exist for any external reason. Behavior may not always be a conscious act. Lies are admitted, changed, and/or adapted if a false story is challenged.
            From Andrea Broadbent “The Truth about Truman”: To begin, the definition of pathological actually means abnormal or grossly atypical. Therefore, a pathological liar prevaricates more frequently than the average person or tells more abnormal lies. In most cases, pathological liars tell lies that are “unplanned and impulsive” (Hausman). These lies are usually very emotional stories that tend to serve no purpose except to impress people (Ford 133). As of now, psychiatrists are unsure whether or not pathological liars are fully capable of realizing if and when they are lying, so detecting whether or not a person is a pathological liar is a very difficult task (Hausman).
            By looking at the list of conditions commonly connected with people considered to be pathological liars, psychiatrists are better able to determine whether or not a person might actually have the disorder. Some main qualities linked with pathological liars include dysfunctional family origin, family lying patterns, anomalies of sexual life, frequent substance abuse, and a great capacity for language.
            From Raymond Lloyd Richmond, Ph.D. “Psychological Honesty”: Even a pathological liar carries deep in his heart a desire for goodness and honesty and yet, because of painful emotional wounds, believes that the world never has, and never will, recognize his pain. And so, to hide that pain from himself, he uses all the lies he can concoct to hurl at the world as he runs in fear from his own goodness.

            For me, the first indication has been that I hear them tell different things to different people and they can’t all be right, because they directly contradict each other! And I am able to prove it. If you can prove over and over again that things someone is telling you are outright false, then you have a pathological liar on your hands.

            With the Internet, it is now easier than ever to “fact-check” even the most mundane things. I think pathological liars often lose track of the lies they tell different people and it will eventually catch up with them.

          • Herbert

            Deed Wong the Church that Obama Wentto was No Chiristion Church thay Prached a Nong bibacle way of Liveing .He wint there Becase the Aleet Black’s went thare .

          • djdrew103

            Eddie, eddie, eddie

            When are we going to learn that when you are talking to zealots that call you a zealot, that they will never listen. We were on that broken record of Prez Obama’s birth certificate for far too long, and now because of the same relations with Suadi Oil that other great presidents dealt with in the same fashion, as if their Repugs won’t do business with them come their dreamed for election in 2012, all the sudden he’s a member, faithful supporter of Islam.

            As AJ says:

            If I remember correctly the Bush family was deeply indebted to this group (Saudis). He’s right, but repug supporters don’t want to talk about their jokester example of a prez that got us all into this mess in the first place, or the fact that Repugs were the main cause and effect for removing regulatory control on the banks in the first place. They will condemn and heckle Prez Obama for doing the same things the repug lords and masters have done and ignore when repugs are offered deals on the table that they vied for in the first place, but refuse now to merely keep our country held hostage with no concern for its health or growth.

            It merely shows how desperate they are to grasp any twig to keep from drowning. In early campaign battles where their shysters are drowning as fast as they surface, they have to belittle and condemn since they have nothing but empty dreams and nightmares to hang their faith on.

            I saw their desperate ad the other day proclaiming military support for good ol’ (and I mean ancient) Ron Paul, vying almost unanimous support from military personnel. In fact, his ratings dumped and splatted with military personnel as the news spread about the idiotic claims of the administration being guilty of assassinating a US citizen in Yemen. They couldn’t believe their ears! What a dumb ass for grasping that to heckle Obama about without thinking of the repercussions of the loss in military votes for spreading hyped BS in support of a known enemy of the US! Just shows-to-go-you how much they are all ate up with themselves, and so totally in the dark.

            You can’t speak reason to thick-headed mentalities when they are fueled with nothing more than mere hype, pipe dreams and dimwitted policies.

            One after another their candidates are falling over as the race intensifies, Bachmman, Palin and Perry…the history books will probably show this race as the one that went down in the books with the most “failed” candidates running for office in the Repug party, that never made it to the finals. It seems that every week they are pulling a new one out of their pockets to try to find some form of a worthy persona to present to the American public that either hasn’t opened their mouth at the wrong time, or merely run off with the emotionally imbalanced and misfit mentalities of a menopausal “mad cow diseased” female.

            They ought to just ask Ronald McDonald to run as their candidate and that way we can throw some similar dissenting propaganda at them about worm burgers and the likes to copy-cat their Birth’r and Muslim hype.

            And to robert shrugged. says:
            October 12, 2011 at 10:53 am

            “the cops are trained to be like puppy dogs. they do what they are told regardless of the laws and the constitution. when will you wake up and understand that we are being turned into a mindless mass of humanity that like cows follow the leaders to slaughter.”

            You might want to take a look at the following site:

            http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/03/oath-keepers-declaration-of-orders-we.html

          • Patriot II

            Hey eddie, in reply to your question:

            ["What kind of Christian are you that is constantly throwing stones if someone disagrees with you"]……..Are you saying that it OK for you and everyone else who is NOT a Christian to throw stones? Can you quote me the scripture that says that a Christain is not supposed to throw stones? There are some versus that speak about it but i beleive you are taking it out of context. I can explain it to you IN Context if you want.

            Is it possible that I am not “throwing stones”: as you say, but presenting a different point of view?

            If Opinions are stones then Yes I guess I am throwing them (to use your viewpoint).

            Also you said: ["our like the fools who run around and say the Catholics ,Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons aren’t Christian."]

            1. Catholics are Christians, but you don’t have to be a Catholic to be a Christian.

            2. I’m not sure what a Johovah’s witness is.

            3. To the best of my knowledge, Mormans beleive in the diety of Joseph Smith, they use the “Book of Morman” not the Bible. They do not beleive in accepting Jesus’ Sacrifice and death as atonement for their sins so they will be saved. They do, however believe Jesus was a Profit, they just don-t beleive he is their Savior. (that is what a Christians beleive)

            you are kinda right but mostly ill-informed.

            Later on you say, ["You bickerer into insanity with”your religion is better than my religion diatribe”. If Christ is your guide then you will move mountains to make America a better country and include everyone instead of trying to keep certain ones out of the American experience"] …. Christ will move Mountains, Wait for it!

            And finally you say: “you seem to be the one pitting one segment against another”

            If you want to see it that way, feel free to do so.

          • eddie47d

            The difference Jibbs is that I present facts each and everyday and SC never provides any. So get off your high horse and quit lying. Now if you don’t like my facts then disagree with them but don’t call me a liar until you do so. You are one sad lonely puppy in making up stories.

          • eddie47d

            Patriot; Let those without sin cast the first stone.In reference to the stoning of a prostitute. I wasn’t ill informed but you love those terms in describing others. Yes indeed a Conservative commentor last week said that the Catholics are not Christians. The Jehovah Witnesses know more about the Bible than most who proclaim Christianity. They and the Mormons do go out into the communities and spread the Word of the Lord so they are doing exactly what the Bible tell them to. How many Christians can honestly say that.Most like myself go to church and then go home without proclaiming the word of God. That’s is probably fine but God wants more from us.There is also no perfect religion only a perfect God.

          • Karolyn

            Patriot – Christianity is a religion.

          • WaChar

            Only GOD can judge a person’s heart as to their belief, BUT we can judge the ‘fruit of the heart’. Mr. O’ has in the past laughed at the sermon on the mount Jesus gave, saying that it would be a joke to use Christ’s teaching. He has refused to participate in Christian Prayer breakfasts, all the while sponsoring Ramadan(sp) meals with Islamists.
            Mr. O’ has not come out against the Christian persecution in Pakistan, Iran Egypt…etc. Recently 100 Christians were murdered by Muslims SIMPLY because they were trying to protect their churches, which are being burned down by the peace loving Muslims.
            Mr. O’s record on PROTECTING CHRISTIAN’S rights to even exist, in Islamic countries is ATROCIOUS! You will try to defend him as a Christian, but it does not sell. His lack of protest about Christian Persecution worldwide is obvious.
            It seems the only religion he caters to is Islam. A PRESIDENT IS SUPPOSED TO CARE FOR ALL of the citizens of the United States.

          • karel Eekels

            Eddie47d, my man, all that fuzz whether our present Chief Commander is a Muslim or a Christian or whatever occupies the minds of so many. What bothers me most is that “we the people” are treated like subjects. In the United States of America, “We the people” are the supreme sovereign, and absolutely where every single public servant (and this includes the sitting president) is but our servant. “We the people” lead, government follows, and only to serve as, protect and serve “we the people” well and this with utmost honesty, dedication, selflessness, dedication, creativity, commitment, initiative, efficiency and effectiveness.

            Let us call a spade a spade, the current occupant residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the nations capital is a dangerous and inept ideologue with a political agenda supported by the “elite” media, and progressive academia. Ideology makes people dumb and stupid. Employing ideology as the basis for policy is a recipe for disaster as squandering tax payers money to advance the green movement by pouring monies into solar panel manufacturing companies that do not even deserve the daylight for their existence from day-one. Surviving in a complex, uncertain environment requires flexibility, pragmatism, perhaps above- all self awareness which is non existent by our current government leadership. So far the progressive liberals do not have an argument to defend the president’s record, so they continue to resort to pulling out the old tired card of racism, class welfare and religion every time with nothing to show for in the past 3 years of Obama rule. The Obama economic policy is one big demolition derby that blocks domestic industry’s ability to expand offshore drilling, even when ordered to do so by the courts. Wallstreet is hamstrung by regulations and our government does not stop pampering companies exporting technology to the Chinese and pay the OPEC cartel members one billion dollars a day to meet our domestic energy needs, yes and these recipient countries are our enemies at best which makes the situation even worse.

          • TML

            “his duty is to support all religious faiths in America.”

            I’m not so sure I agree that is the way it should be… I do not think that anyone in government should support, nor supress, any religon. As it is similarly stated in the first amendment of the constitution.

          • eddie47d

            WaChar; Christians and Muslims are killed everyday around the world.People are persecuted in Myanmar and we don’t do anything either. The unfortunately reality is that we can’t chase after every crises and be involved with everyone who cries out. Obama or any other President wouldn’t be able to interfere in saving the world.We have stretched ourselves pretty thin as it is. The best thing to do is give to organizations that specialize in helping persecuted groups. There are Christian groups that do that and also Amnesty international.

          • eddie47d

            Karel; Wall Street is hamstrung by regulations? Just the opposite for it was the lack of regulations that opened the doors for them and ruined the economy.

          • talkinbout

            AIX Sponsa, could you please provide a link or website where you say Obama and his wife admit he’s a Muslum in a video?

          • Jay

            Karolyn-Christianity is a relationship. Catholics are not Christians, and neither are Mormons and Jehovahs as is evidenced by their Christoligy/Trinity. Although Catholics believe in Christ, they hold the pope to a higher esteem, and claim he is infallible. Non-sense! Jesus claims, and rightly so, that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man comes to the Father except through Him. The Catholics believe that one enters heaven through the Catholic church, and if necessary they can plead their case to Mary. They also rely on purgatory as a second chance, a safety net, which is contrary to the scripture. They also believe in salvation by works, and faith as secondary, in fact, they are never quite sure, even at the end of their life, if they are truly saved. The Roman Catholic Church is an abomination.

            As for the Mormons and Jehovahs there is one principle of doctrine that the two have in common which disqualifies them from their claim that they are Christians. They both believe that the Trinity is actually comprised of the 3 separate, transcended beings, which is false. The scripture clearly states the God is one! When Jesus said the”I and Father are one”, he was not implying by that, a corporative relationship, which would necessitate two persons, rather, He was stating that He is God! They as well believe, “works to salvation”, rather then solely on faith in Christ, and here, they find common ground with the Catholic Church. You can look like one, talk like one, and even walk like one, this does not guarantee you are one. A Christian that is, and Christianity, is NOT a religion, it is a RELATIONSHIP!

          • professor

            Eddie, I have been reading this blog and it appears to be your own personal place to try to indoctrinate us with your gibberish…There are opinions, other than your own. Please don’t “hog the blog.” You must not have a job/life. since you are able to spend all your time, on the Internet, defaming Americans, and our Christian beliefs. I am a Christian and I don’t like you telling me what I believe and how I should act…..NOT your job!!

            Doc, as he calls himself, is totally wrong, as well!

            I have never heard an American Christian say: “The most beautiful sound I have ever heard is the muslim (slim ball) call to prayer!”

            Nor have I heard an American Christian make the statement: “When times are troubled, I will stand with my muslim brothers.”

            Nor have I ever seen an American Christian bow at the waist to the king of Saudi Arabia.”

            Nor have I ever heard of an American Christian getting the Fulbright Scholarship for foreign (muslim) students.

            There are pages of examples of obama’s muslim faith, but who cares to read them, over and over! This has been discussed ad nauseum. Munchy moochelle even said that obama is a muslim. He has said that he is a muslim. You are calling them both liars! I believe they know what obama believes…better than you!

            There is no doubt in the minds of the majority of Americans that obama is not Christian! So, you and doc are wasting your efforts, by praising the “Christian obama.” There isn’t one…period! He is no more a Christian than he is an American!

            We have a foreign, arab muslim, Marxist that claimed to be “black” so that he could get elected. This foreign arab hates our country and. as all good muslims, it is his obligation to wage war on America, which he gleefully does. The muslim usurper has lost the support of his base, many liberals and many in the democrat party.. He is becoming, “a useless tool,” and you are supporting a “loser,” no matter what you call him!

        • F86

          So then he’s not a student of Rev. Wright? I swear people like you are a waste of oxygen. Has anyone seen him turn towards Mecca and bounce his forehead on the floor? Muslims have to do that 5 times a day. Has anyone seen him fast for 12 hours at a time? Muslims have to do that for over a month every year. Now go get your thorzine shot.

          • Patriot II

            Why do you think Rev Right is a Christian? Is he really?
            How do we know that for sure, just because he says he is and he has a church? From what I have seen, if he is a Christian, he has some works that I, as a Christian, totally disagree with. From what I have seen so far, he is causing civil disorder, pitting one sector of Humans against another (promoting Victimization and Racism) Christ does not want that. That is not Christ’s ways. I also believe Jessy Jackson is a Racist and may not be a real Christian as well. from my perspective these men are “Posers”

          • Patriot II

            F86, have you seen him in his bedroom? Do you watch him while he’s taking a shower, just beucase he doensa’t make it public to us doesnt mean he isn’t doing it. If he is deceiving us why would not keep that a secret?

          • eddie47d

            What kind of Christian are you that is constantly throwing stones if someone disagrees with you. Your like the fools who run around and say the Catholics ,Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons aren’t Christian. You bickerer into insanity with”your religion is better than my religion diatribe”. If Christ is your guide then you will move mountains to make America a better country and include everyone instead of trying to keep certain ones out of the American experience.So you seem to be the one pitting one segment against another.

          • Poorman

            Obama says to Muslims he is a Muslim and quotes the Quran and around Christians he says he is a christian. How do we know which one is correct as he can’t be both. Allah is not the same as the God of Israel according to Muslim clerics, therefore, which God/god does he worship. For the Christian we have the warning of ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing (Matt 7:15) and by their fruits you shall know them (vs 20).

            What fruit do we see from Obama? Narcissist (self-serving), pro gay marriage and refuses to uphold the rule of law (DOMA – Defense of Marriage act) which is contrary to God’s laws for marriage, pro abortion (killing of life given from God at conception), not a church attender (unless it is Pastor Wright style of socialism/wealth redistribution) and no restraint on ACLU (infact he hires them along with other radicals on his staff) against Christians. On and on it goes and only interest in Christianity is for votes so he can stay in office and finish off the Constitution and way of American life and prosperity.

          • Jibbs

            Like Charley Rich said, and no one knows what goe’s on behind closed doors!

          • eddie47d

            Poorman; There is a distinction between knowing something and being something. Obama is knowledgeable about the Muslim religion and also the Christian religion. I’ve been to Mexico several times and know abot the different places but that doesn’t make me a Mexican. So chill out.

          • Ronbo

            You are sooo right. This seems to be a site for bigotry and ignorance.

        • CP

          He was born in a Christian setting, not under Muslim rule, so is NOT a Muslim by birth, and he IS a practicing Christian. NO Muslim would be caught dead attending any Christian church under any circumstances, while Mr. Obama has attended several, and held membership in at least one.

          • EdinNola

            Obama is a Communist, which in itself is Godless. He does appear to lean over backwards for Islam. He claims to be Christian, but as they say: actions speak louder than words, and I can’t remember him doing anything that would say he is Christian. One thing you need to remember in this debate. Both Communism and Islam have as one of their central tenents, that Lying for the cause is not a sin. Obama is the master of the lie, so the world may never know what his inner thoughts are. He is driven by the training he has received by Communists, from birth to the present.

          • Charlie

            surely you know by now, that that man will do anything for a vote to get re-elected, deceit, lying, whatever it takes……haven’t heard anything more about his beer-making in the WH either….

          • Aix Sponsa

            So sad for you.

          • Old Henry

            I certainly would not call the church he attended a Christian church.

            And as EdinNola stated, he is a consumate liar.

          • Patriot II

            CP, No One is a born into Christianity.

            Christians beleive you are born a sinner.

          • eddie47d

            Then Patriot it is high time you took the Conservative liars and sinners to task and expose them as you try and expose Liberals. An innuendo about Obama or anyone is a lie unless proven so that makes everyone on this site a liar. SC makes assumptions and lies everyday so will you berate her or accept her slander? Is she a true Christian or is she working for the devil?

          • JeffH

            eddie says, “An innuendo about Obama or anyone is a lie unless proven so that makes everyone on this site a liar. SC makes assumptions and lies everyday…”

            This comment coming from someone that believes “opinions can be facts” and is proven a liar each and every day he posts his comments.

            eddie lost the vote of confidence on this board by an overwhelming 20 – 0…that was Twenty no confidence votes to ZERO…nuff said…
            _________________________________________________________________
            eddie47d says:
            August 21, 2011 at 11:30 am
            An opinion can be a fact or just an opinion on a subject. What should we call your “opinions” Song? Maybe you are too “opinionated” to answer that.

            Eddie says: September 29, 2011 at 3:20 pm
            You never prove me a liar even though you keep insisting it’s true.

            August 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm
            You said this, Eddie, you lying slanderer — “We do see Jeff and Dave H. making personal threats (mostly mocking) against those they disagree with. That is everyday right Dave?”.
            Here is the link to the comment where Eddie said that:
            http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/downgrading-obama/#comment-524269

            …another lie…
            September 30, 2011 at 6:15 pm
            Since Dave and the Conservative want to take away the minimum wage,workers benefits and other compensations I wonder how he expects these workers to save anything if they are not doing it now.

            August 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
            WE(Eddie believes he speaks for everyone else) means everyone on this site Jeff or do you live in a bubble? Am I a liar? Apparently you think so and shout it from the roof top. If someone says something you don’t like doesn’t make that person a liar. If you can’t come up with a comment that proves me wrong then there is no lie. The lie would only be in your hurt feelings when you can’t prove me wrong.You slash and burn with slander(calling me a liar) instead of presenting the “correct answer” or don’t you have any correct answers from your own thoughts.

            August 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm
            Can you substantiate my apparent lies Jeff? WE are all waiting with baiting breath to see what you can come up with next. Your wild accusations are like a cannon ball rolling down a hill looking for a place to land. You are either obsessed or mentally unstable.

            August 21, 2011 at 11:39 am
            Dave H can be a liar and a slanderer.As a matter of fact Jeff can also be a liar and a slanderer. You keep on doing it so I will assume the rest of us will have to put up with your occasional “fib”. I love when Dave says he didn’t say something when the words are right there in print. I may be misinterpreted in what I say but I won’t say that it wasn’t my words like Dave does.

            August 19, 2011 at 7:27 pm
            If someone is not a Libertarian (according to Jeff and maybe Jana)they have to be a communist. There is certainly nothing wrong with being a Libertarian except for the arrogance that flows from some of it’s members mouths.
            ____________________________________________________

            As Jibbs stated, eddie is a “pathalogical liar” and completely delusional as his mindless comments prove.

          • JeffH

            …add this to eddies “LIE” list…the man(?)is just a pathalogical liar!

            eddie47d says:
            October 12, 2011 at 12:41 pm

            The difference Jibbs is that I present facts each and everyday and SC never provides any. So get off your high horse and quit lying. Now if you don’t like my facts then disagree with them but don’t call me a liar until you do so. You are one sad lonely puppy in making up stories.

          • eddie47d

            I’m not sure who Jeff is desperately trying to impress but the gig is up for him. I’ll stand by each and everything I say Jeff and you are proving me right. I encourage all to read Jeff’s silly thread without projecting the facts behind those comments. He won’t because it exposes him and not me. Isn’t this about the 7th time you’ve printed up the SAME baloney but never come forth with any lies that I have made. Go crawl back into your small mind where you can indeed live with your corrupted lies.

          • S.C. Murf

            CP pull your head out of your A$$ please. Right now in Egypt they are killing muslim Christians, your lie’s are only getting worse.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • JeffH

            eddie…

            The greatest barrier to someone achieving their potential is their denial of it.
            Simon Travaglia

          • eddie47d

            Murf: There is no such thing as a Muslim Christian. You may have meant Arab Christian but just to prove a point about Jeff. He will pick out some nonsense about me and ride it like a horny dog but he missed your glaring error. That is why it is easy to tell that he is biased and full of it . If I had said Muslim Christian he’d write about it for weeks and claim I don’t know history. (which he has done).

          • JeffH

            eddie says Wah, Wh, Wah! Mother…make him stop!

          • eddie47d

            Thanks for responding Jeff which only points out that you are the fabricator of facts. You know Never Happened!

        • Skyknight

          You are correct, Obama is a Muslim. Don’t pay attention to what he says, look at his deeds (anti-Christian-pro-Muslim). Even his book says he will side with the Muslims every time.

          • Jana

            Skynight,
            And, no one ever said he was a good Muslim. He may be practising Taqqiyah, the art of lying to the infidel to make them believe WHATEVER he wants them to believe.

          • JeffH

            Jana, BINGO :)

        • Chris

          Samurai–ancient name; old ideas.

        • Ronbo

          For God and countrie’s sake, Samari, you need to finish the third grade before you try to push your thoughts on us as if they were facts. Are you the product of a southern education (long on preaching and screw the learnin’?

        • Brian

          You claim he is a Muslim but decry the fact that he spent 20 years in a Christian church led by Jeremiah Wright. Make up your mind.

        • ron

          Samurai, since when have you ever-brought facts to the table. And what and who gives you or any other the right to say who is and who is not Christian. If being a Christian means being like you and some others with your antichrist, and Hitler monikers for the president I pass on the opportunity. Yea I watch you go to church on Sunday only to forget all you learned on Monday. The only proof you have ever had is some other Reich wing nuts so called proof.

        • ron

          Samurai, when will bring facts to the conversation?????

        • jyrine

          Sarvis never lets the truth stand in his way.

      • Don

        And Doc, your blind as a bat !

      • rosina

        HE IS SUCH A ‘GOOD CHRISTIAN’ THAT HE cancelled the NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER but, went to a Muslim Breakfast Conference/
        He will try any white person but MAJOR HASAN WHO KILLED 13? soldiers?
        What happened to him? Anything?
        His ‘Christianity’ so-called sponsored by a so-called pastor who preached violence? Did Christ ever preach violence even against those who crucified HIM?
        Doc, better have a rethink.

        • eddie47d

          Violence is preached each and everyday right here by Christians so what is the difference?

        • ron

          Let me help you here because you have been denied information by watching Fixed News. Maj. Hassan is being tried at Fort Hood. If he had canceled the NDOP does that mean he is not a Christian? See what I mean. An article about oil and because of the Obama Islamic catch phrase it turns to questions about his religion.

      • Patriot II

        Doc, why do you say he is a Christain? Because he said he was? I am one and he does’t act like one. Do you really beleive he trusts his life to Christ and that he beleives Christ is ONLY way to get to Heaven? That Christ IS the truth and the way and the Life and no man comes to the Father except through Christ?

        He acts like a Muslim, he favors them-everyone knows that! How can you not see that?

        Have you ever heard him speak of the “Holy Karan ” and the endearing inflection he uses when speaking about it?

        you are just silly!

        • Old Henry

          I would like to see someone toss a ham onto the hood of his taxpayer-funded limo as it passed by.

          That would put him on foot until the new limo arrived.

          Or, how about this? We could have a protest around The Peo;le’s House and everyone toss bacon over the fence onto the lawn!

          • eddie47d

            My bet would be that he would still be sitting in his limo and having a ham sandwich.

          • Jibbs

            Old Henry says:
            October 12, 2011 at 9:57 am
            I would like to see someone toss a ham onto the hood of his taxpayer-funded limo as it passed by.

            That would put him on foot until the new limo arrived.

            Or, how about this? We could have a protest around The Peo;le’s House and everyone toss bacon over the fence onto the lawn!
            ———————————————————————-

            ROLMMFAO!!!! I think bacon would stick to the limo better than ham.

          • Jibbs

            Did you ever wonder how many racks of ribs he could forge thru with a few beers?

          • Randy G

            Due to the cost of living—make that an opened can of SPAM.

          • Old Henry

            Jibbs:

            That is an interesting thought. I have heard that there is A LOT of drinking that goes on now int The People’s House.

            I’m guessin’ Moochelle would smach “upside” the head with an empty wine bottle.

        • djdrew103

          Comments here about Muslim this, Christian that sound like those idiots out there that preach love and compassion, but show neither when it comes to other religions or other forms of Christianity. You will find more hypocrites in a bunch of Jesus freaks that you will find in a Jewish, Buddhist or Muslim gathering, I am sure of that! I am agnostic, but believe me when I say that your blabber about all this Muslim dung just makes you look the intellectual level you truly are, not what you “believe” yourself to be in, and you can have “faith” in that! Anyone standing on the outside watching the attacks on others based solely on stupid idiotic claims and rhetoric can tell that if what you present and represent to be a mentality that is to fix the US, we are certainly doomed before we start.

          In just generalized quick review of most comments on here, your base for an argument is so totally weak and lame, you have done nothing other than proven that mental masturbation serves none other than the one doing the jerking.

          • Old Henry

            Now! All of you go stand in the corner! dj has spoken!

          • djdrew103

            Thanks “Old Henry”

            Such is the base of my comment, and merely proves the point.

        • S.C. Murf

          Brother Patriot II, he’s not silly, he’s dangerous.

          up the hill
          airborne

        • Brian

          I know a lot of Christians. Most of them act nothing like Christ.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Brian- I agree with you. Some “Christians” raise heck all week and go to church on Sunday, thinking they will be “saved.”

          • Barbosa

            A quick comment Brian, Christians can never attain the level of perfection as Jesus has, and always had, we can only try to achieve some form of morality,and what Jesus expects of us in our relationship with Him, some Christians fall due to temptations which we all have but some of us are stronger in our faith and dedication to our Lord Jesus. But we are human just like you, but we were changed, some of us were stone drug attics, shooting up herion, cocaine, popping pills, somking dope, robbing people, prostitution, killings, homosexuality, lying, steeling, having sex out of wedlock, Yeah all these things and more. Jesus cleaned us up, but satan knows of those areas that we were weak in, so he tempts us in these areas, this is why we must read Gods word ( our Bible ) and to also stay in prayer asking the Holy Spirit to strenghten us so as not to fall to the temptations that satan will try to make us fall under. Some take their relationship serious, some don’t, but the don’ts God the Holy Spirit will always try to get them back on track, Jesus only wishes good for His Children, God the Father wishes the same for all of us, that means you to. Try Him on for size one day, you’ll never forget that day, but your friends will remember and they will do as so many are doing right now, this is to be expected. Take care and I hope the best for you., God Bless.

        • ron

          If you guys are a representation of Christianity I’ll pass. And I also do not eat pork, and I am not Muslim. You can check my fake birth records and my fake DD-214 if you want. Christians my foot. You guys would deny Jesus himself if you found out he had a Muslim friend. The only thing most of you need Jesus for is to validate you hate.

          • professor

            Ron,

            You have no idea what it is to be Christian! We are not stupid, nor are we “simple,” as you obviously believe!

            Christians are charged with, thwarting “Evil!” There is “Evil” in Washington and it has permeated our country. Those that believe in Christianity, will not be silenced by your kind. Christians don’t spend all their time on their knees, kowtowing to their enemies. If that were so, we would not be a great Nation of huge accomplishments!
            Those that follow good, are prosperous, innovative, and seek the better side of life. They are dedicated to the family and God’s word.
            When we allowed “Evil” in our midst, and ignored it, our country was taken from us.

            “Christian soldiers” will rise against the Evil ones, and in the end, Evil will be defeated. Good has always prevailed, but not without great sacrifice. Don’t count us out as simpletons that will quietly accept enslavement! God helps those that help themselves.

        • ron

          Patriot should I believe you are a Christian because you say you are. You do not act like a Christian. You are not tolerant of others; you help spread rumors and untruths. Make me a believer in the fact that you are what you say you are.

          • ron

            Professor, here is what I do know about Christianity. It has been pimped by people like you to trap, enslave and bring war on mankind for centuries. There is nothing wrong with religion, it is the way some practice it that concerns me. It is no secret that most on this page use religion to hate and spread lies. It matters not that you do not agree with a mans politics because that is Americans being American. So, Professor it is not that I know nothing about Christianity, I choose not to hate while cloaked in Christianity as you do. you are no better than the fools who strap bombs to themselves and use religion to justify it. ides , is there a law saying a person of muslim faith can not hold office???????

          • Barbosa

            Greetings Ron, you have not met the person that you was adressing, yet you say that the person is not a Christian, I heard the same claims coming out of so many mouths, the media does a great job of manipulation,it is called propaganda a means to steer peoples mind to their wishes, lets call it brain washing,this is their profession, and they do it well. Evil does exists, it is not a figment of our imagination, wouldn’t you say: putting a baby in a microwave and turning it on isn’t Evil, yet it happened, The drowning of little helpless children in a bath tub wouldn’t you say that this is Evil? Beating up an old lady after he knocked her down on the floor, and already had her bag in his hand, but commenced to beat her isn’t this Evil, killing a whole family while they slept isn’t this Evil,Is steeling an Evil act? Their doing it in congress, they don’t want the federal reserve to be audited, why! because it is missing so much of OUR money, your money and many others. Why is it that people today don’t think like the people of yesterday, don’t you think that Evil is at play, sure it is, just look around, it’s all over us, hate alone is Evil, If you read the Bible you’ll find mention of these times where the majority will go against all Christians, this is happening all around the world, why because Gods Word says that this will happen just before He returns, If you read the book of Revelation you’ll find what we are seeing before our eyes, the increase in the magnitude of earthquakes,weather changes, oh and they will get bigger and stronger keep your eyes open you will see this with your own eyes,crime, maybe some people should take a trip to Brooklyn New York, L A, or Detroit, you know, big cities where crime is in your face, I’m from one of those cities, hang with me and you’ll have a change of heart, you’ll see Evil up front and personal, then you’ll know that anything is possible, and that satan IS IN CONTROL and that this statement is a matter of fact. And you’ll know that Evil resides in the world, as well as Washington D.C. Lots of people who made the wrong choice are now seeing the outcome of their choice, they now are saying man I fell for this guys claims, my Sister was one of them, she regrets it now as many are also, the News paper here for the first time spoke ill of our leader, front page, yet they were an advent supporters for this guy, everyone is waking up to the reality of the condition of our country, it has fallen so low, we are where we never been, spend, spend, start a war with libya without congresses approval, saying that he should be a dictator, it came out on video, bet you haven’t seen it, sooo some of us are keeping an eye on thingss and we are not all Christians, we are people who are not falling for the koolaide. And do watch out for the media, they have been bought off, do some research you’ll find this to be so. All is controlled, it’s not only the Christians who see this, it is that our country was built on Christianity and they need to rid of it so as to proceed with their plans for us all. Do as my Sister, and many other have, open up your eyes and stay focused. Take Care.

      • Scott Ward

        I’m sorry. But, you’re not livin’ in the real world, if you think B.Obama is a “christian.” If he is one, where’s the evidence. All I’VE SEEN is he says one thing and does another…. does the sky have to fall on you to get it? He (and congress), have spent more $$TRILLIONS of America’s wealth – “SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND…” is what he TOLD “Joe the plummer”. You don’t remember that? OMG!

      • DaveH

        Only the most blindered of Liberal Zealots could believe that Obama is really a Christian. What is he going to say? He certainly isn’t going to tell the truth or he would be thrown out of office in a heartbeat.
        I have only watched a few of his speeches, but still in just those few he lies and equivocates constantly. How can anybody who isn’t hypnotized believe a word that man says?
        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=66909

      • Dale on the left coast

        Doc . . . heard it with my own ears . . . he said “my muzzslime faith” . . . you only say that if you are one . . . no one says that BY MISTAKE!!! Not only is the “0″ an incompetent clown . . . he believes the Greene Nonsense . . . that the world can run on windmills and solar panels . . .

      • Danny Buckles

        Doc Sarvis where do you get your definition of a christian from. Christians do not support the ungodly beliefs and policies that obama’s regeme thrives on. Don’t tag the word christian on people who bow and pray with muslims to alah. Jesus said that to contribute the works of satan to him was blasphemy. We should recognise evil as evil and not call it good. Homosexuality is evil, murdering babies is evil, culturing welfare is evil,and sir dening the deity of Jesus Christ,Is the ultimate evil. Just because other presidents have committed evil does’nt make it acceptable.

      • Barbosa

        A Christian doesn’t invest in the killing of Gods children, nor does he condone the unity of same sex marriage,etc.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        No he is not Doc. He said it out of his own mouth. He told our enemies we are not a Christian nation, and he told George Stephanapoulas, to the point that something was against his muslim religion, and had to be corrected. You see Doc, Im a Christian, and I could in no way, shape, or form, have that statement slip out of my mouth, because it isnt in me. I could not have “my muslim faith” come out of me like that, because it is contained no where in my being. For him to say that, it is, as they say, what it is, which is, his muslim faith.

      • mark shiro

        true, but no other president has bowed so deeply to a saudi king.

    • theotherrhalf

      Because we don’t have enough, and what we can get is even dirtier. Wow, I guess you want the us to look like a sand pit with a black cloud over it.

      • CP

        That will be far better than being a sandpit with NO oil, and having to knock your head on the ground five times a day or be killed for failing to follow Islam properly.

    • Lee Baldwin

      John Myers seems to be an idealist that can’t see the big picture. Use up the enemy’s resources first, John. Once the Saudis have no oil left (and that is coming) THEN we can drill out our own oil. It is much smarter to achieve global supremcy that way. the Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Obama aka Barry Soetoro show is not smart enough to think of that however. George Bush was and did know this.

      • professor

        Lee, I look at it a little differently. Oil is the key to bringing back our booming economy, and millions of American jobs! It is exactly what this country needs! Because it would make this country prosperous,and independent, it is opposed by the foreigner in the White House. His goal is to bring our country to her knees, instead.

        Becoming an oil producing Nation, not only gets us off the Middle Eastern “tit,” but it would keep all those Billions of dollars in “our economy!” Instead of that money being used by the muslims to build more mosques and palaces, it would be used to provide Americans a better life. We could prosper by becoming an “exporter of oil,” instead of a country dependent on her enemies.

        Independence is crucial. The world is unstable and we are vulnerable.
        Security is gained only through strength. America must remain independent, providing our own food, medicine, weapons and energy. The government has stripped us of our prosperity, and security, by sending manufacturing jobs out of country, to improve the economy of foreign countries.
        We must, once again, become a “producing Nation,” manufacturing goods and creating innovative products. We will not survive being a nation of consumers, printing and spending worthless money, because we have little that brings income into this country.

        • Barbosa

          Very well said little grass-hopper, that money is also used in funding terrorism, along with the purchase of weapons, etc. The so called educated ones in Washington just don’t seem to get it, or do they.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You got that right. We have enough oil and enough need for this oil, to drill baby drill and employ thousands upon thousands of people in this country. We have the technology to do this safely and cleanly on shore, and dont have to do what the green enviro’s say, and go out into 5000 feet of water and do it unsafely. That is insane. In fact, we had a pro hockey player here in town, that quit and went to Alaska to work on the pipeline there, as it paid more than playing hockey. There is no reason to continue this madness of the greatest transfer of wealth in the world to the Arab nation, which, by the way, would like nothing more than to exterminate us. One can pretend this isnt the case, but it truly is. We have the oil here, to end our stupid dependance on them, and to put America back to work. When will we get a group of leaders, that actually have the care of this country in mind, to make this happen, and just say no to the liberal left, and really put America first? Its high time for it to happen.

    • olinda moore

      the only jobs Obama hascreated for america is fix the street,rairoad and bidges,there is no more coming from him to the american people,we are waiting for diferent jobs,,manufactory,computer,you name it the people need a diferent president,this one is not good,need to be change and all the WH.need to be fire bring a new personal with experieance on the job, not becouse this one is my friend ,if you dont know your job,

    • Ronbo

      Who is this “we” you speak of? Is it the ignorant and thos desirous of misinformation? You’ve found the right sight.

    • ron

      When will you guys get off the Muslim thing? Wake up and see that you are responding to the oilman who wrote this article. Understand that Canada is not the United States and the economies are somewhat different. But I do not have to tell you that you can get that from the oilmen you listen to. The WSJ is after all a Rupert Murdock production you know Fixed News, phone tapping, Glenn Beck, need I say more? So consider the source of your information. Was it not oilman Bush who held hands with the Saudi’s? What did oilman Myers say about that. Surely not much if anything negative.
      Yet he can get the attention of idiots and the Muslim non-issue for his piece by simply naming it Obama’s Islamic Alliance, and the next thing you know people are all over the map with this Muslim crap. BTW when was there a law passed saying a person of the muslin faith cannot become president? I missed that class. Give me a break people and stop letting guys like J. Myers the oilman play on your intelligence. He does not believe Obama is Muslim, but he draws you to his article with that eye catching title and you fall right in because it gives you a reason to vent you ignorance on Obama’s religious faith.

      The article is about oilmen wanting to make more money at your environmental, and monetary expense. Focus, Focus, Focus, how much money did big oil make last year and how much tax did they pay? For Obama to be Muslim he sure has a nasty habit of exterminating their leaders. So what was the last president’s problem (Bush) that he would not or could not do this? Did it have something to do with the holding hands thing? I see another article coming. Bush’s Islamic Friendships.

      • Barbosa

        Everyone can bring the focus on Bush, butttt look who is taking us to a place that we once was, we are moving backwards (focus) do some real research, you might be surprized. And what is this all for, this may also surprize you, there are bigger things going on here, and soon enough everyones concepts will be changed such as what was promised to us all ( change) we are looking at change right now,I know that everyone isn’t blind, I’m sure you agree, if not than deception is working well on our fellow Americans, it is called propaganda an art used to steer ones mind in compliance with their objectives. They’re doing a great job, as one can see. Events arise day by day, and some people are focused on these rapid changes now, the end result is a big surprize for those who lifted their heads and finally took a look, but guess what theirs a sign post ahead their next stop is the twilight zone, can you dig it.

    • missy marcotte

      Funny this website says it doesnt promote racism,yet your comment of calling the president a muslim,wipped right by!
      1-Im a dual Citizen of both Canada and the USA (yes I have my Birth Certificate,Mom was American,Dad French Canadian)
      Google where American foreign oil comes from.82% comes from CANADA.Very muslim Country!:(
      You are about to have a Pipeline surprise in a very short time.I cannot wait to shut that Romney up!(not to mention Newts big mouth)

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear missy marcotte,

        You write: “Funny this website says it doesnt promote racism,yet your comment of calling the president a muslim,wipped right by!” When did muslim (sic) become a race?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • David Mckittrick

    I can understand the scathing attack on Obama – he is truly a despot in training; however, in regards to Saudi oil – last I checked, the Saudi oil fields and reserves were close to depletion – did I miss something?

    • theotherrhalf

      Well if you want to play that card you can the DICK CHENEY for training him.

      • Jana

        theotherhalf,
        Your reply to David makes sense HOW????

    • missy marcotte

      YES ITS CALLED CANADA!

  • willie

    David, you did miss something , saudi oil fields are not close to depletion but the increase of production is on the decline. I believe it is estimated that another 40 years of profitable oil production is ahead for Saudi Arabia.

    • independent thinker

      I read an article that questioned the accuracy of the numbers quoted about Saudi oil reserves. The author of the article was of the opinion that the reserves were half or less of the numbers quoted by the Saudis.

  • Lastmanstanding

    The only truth that I can conceive regarding oil is that it controls our lives and that alot of people make boat loads of money from it.

    Other than that, everything I hear regarding it…is a lie.

    • Aix Sponsa

      The western world will NEVER reduce their dependence on OIL. NEVER. We are a society of consumers who talk a good game. Unless the USA becomes much more self sufficient, we will be at the mercy of the one world government and the muslims who control 70% of the known oil in the world. I am amazed that so many people cannot see the overall idea to enslave the world under a muslim leadership. WW3 began a decade ago and if the enemy unites they will use nukes wherever they can to conquer more territory. Bible thumpers have taught for decades that WW3 will be between the west and the commies… Who is the real enemy? Examine the theo-political belief system and culture that has been doing this for 1300 years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS5sl_La_A&feature=related

      • Barbosa

        The new world order is not a muslim system of government, it is a world order a world which will be united under an agreement bwtween world leaders (The United Nations) you need to read that which you have quoted, you got it all wrong. It all started back in the 50′s they already had a plan, do some research has nothing to do with muslims, they are just part of the equation, and do leave the Bible out of equation, God speaks the truth of the events to come,but not how you tell it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What are the lies? Can you be more specific?

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    The potus just sits on the fence and really does not know how to deal with any of the problems facing the USA. His arrogance and smugness are not actually attributes which a good leader exhibits. A lttle humility, some seriously hard work, less creeping and a lot less holidays may be better.Someone should tell him that before his big head explodes. The guy has no idea what the difference is between having a position of importance and actually earning it.

    • theotherrhalf

      You do realize Bush jr. took more vacations than any other president including Obama. And you do realize Bush job creation was the absolute lowest of any president since Truman. Even Nixon had comparatively a good job creation rate

      • Brad

        theotherhalf,

        Answer this one simple question; during the Bush administration the unemployment rate was around 4.6%, what was the cause?

        Today we are sitting at 9.1% unemployment, our dollar dropping in value, oil sitting around $83.00 a barrel, gas at $3.35 a gallon, all increased since Ohmama’s election, just a few thoughts.

        • Aix Sponsa

          WRONG sir. Maybe 9% are drawing checks. At least 20% are out of work. Locally it is 35%.
          Gas should be $1.50. My mandatory gasoline expense is $400 month, so in my business I must make $800 gross just to cover gas.
          I would like to know whose pocket the other $2 per gallon is going into. Surely not the hated, criticized, and retired Bush.

        • Lee Baldwin

          and ‘theotherhalf’ wants you and I to believe that was George Bush’s fault too, JeffH.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dottie

        Please let’s forget what George did or didn’t do! Obama has been in office for three years, which was enough time to correct the mistakes of our previous President. But instead what has happened, imployment is at an all time low, and our debts are in the trillions. When the ceiling was raised on our spending, that gave this regime the opportunity to continue spending!! As to vacations, it seems that Obama is never in D.C., but in the air flying to other states campaigning for the next election, spending the tax payers money. Enough already!! Lets bring our country back to where it was years ago, so that our children and grandchildren can enjoy living “in the land of the free and the home of the brave”.

      • Chris Schilke

        Presidents and governments don’t directly create jobs, unless you consider government jobs which only use up wealth and not create it, businesses do. Sure a president may increase or decrease taxes which influences if jobs are made but that doesn’t create the desire in a person to build a business. People build businesses when they find that there is a way to do it which usually means that government has to get out of the way. Has anybody out there ever checked into what it takes to make a certified government approved business? It’s intimidating to say the least.

      • Jibbs

        Bush had eight years, barry will only have four, unless he is jailed first.

    • eddie47d

      Hey Peter how about the arrogance and smugness within the Republican side of the aisle.Bragging about doing nothing is not a positive trait either.

  • Doc Sarvis

    The WSJ is wrong. Leadership is not the problem, it is the lack of spine, forward thinking, and genuine concern for America’s future demonstrated by many of those in congress which has kept us from progressing further out of the hole that we are in.

    Oil is the energy source of the last century. We have to move out of the mindset that we will always have plentiful and cheap (both at the pump and in the global/political sense) supplies of oil. We need to build efficiencies into how we use (and think about using) energy. We need to develop and move to alternatives so that we are not stuck when, in order to fill our tank, another American soldier must die or an entire community’s water supply is poisoned (as in fraking).

    The Organization of Petroleum Exporting *Countries* has long been the mate of U.S. Presidents. Pres. Bush walked – holding hands! – with Saudi Kings and was as cozy, if not moreso, with them than President Obama. Easy oil supplies are dwindling fast, if they are not gone already. With demand for oil on the rise globally (all countries are after the stuff and China is after it at an exponential rate), to stay dependent with this resource is unpatriotic.

    Mr. Myers stated in different ways in his article that alternatives do not work but fails to back that up. I totally disagree. If we stick to our current mindset of subsidising the oil culture (including our military exploits to get the stuff or ruining our drinking water to frak it) then Mr. Myers is right. As I said, we need to shift to a variety of other sources and make more efficient use of the energy we do use to lead ourselves and the world to a sane energy policy.

    As for Mr. Myers last question to the reader; I don’t hear any forward thinking on energy policy from the current set of Republican hopefuls. Yes, President Obama has the best outlook to America’s energy future.

    • https://www.brutespeed.com/ Bob

      Wow, I certainly hope that you and your family only drive electric cars and have a complete solar grid on your house. Under our current leadership, we as a country are headed towards annihilation and liberal views such as yours won’t matter. It would be nice to get away from fossil fuels, but if we can’t afford to survive until that happens, it simply won’t matter.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I choose to look for viable solutions – NOT bury my head in the sand.

        • Brad

          Doc, what you have bought hook line and sinker is the left’s total destruction of the oil and natural gas industry. To retrofit my home with solar panels and electric power converter to include all the battery’s, then there’s the installation, with all said it comes out around 25-35K. Battery’s tend to wearout within three to five year’s so you have that replacement cost looming, storm damage, cells going bad, damage to electrical wiring caused by animals or fluctuations in power. Right now we don’t live in a perfect world as the left would have you believe, we live in a world were oil is the best option for today, no one says renewable energy is bad but right now renewable energy costs us more to produce. I do believe in time technology will catch up and replace oil, today renewable energy is costly were the vast majority can’t afford it. Prime example is ethanol, it’s heavily government subsidised cost more to produce and when added to gasoline produces less bang for the buck.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Brad, what you are missing is that 99.99% of the people are completely enslaved to the “system” = electricity, heat, gasoline, FOOD, etc. What happens if a natural disaster or terrorist attacks kill the “grid systems”? THINK about it.

          • Old Henry

            Brad:

            Good post. However, I have found that ethanol gasoline gives me the same MPG as non-ethanol gasoline. I figure the milage on every tank out to the third digit and the ethanol does not vary from the non-ethanol.

            What I do find that destroys my MPG is the re-foumulated gas that crops up every Fall due to liberal meddeling and forcing this on the public. My MPG drops 20%, usually beginning in October and running into about March.

            Evern using my Obama Energy Plan – aka tire gauge – and pumping in another 2 -4 Lbs. does not help and it causes my tires to wear improperly. That makes it necessary to buy new tires sooner than need be. And….. what is used to make tires? You guessed it! Petroleum!

          • Old Henry

            Alx:

            That is why there are so many “preppers” today that the libs on this site castagate and make fun of.

            Do you read the Monday articles by Peggy Layton and others on this site?

          • Brad

            Aix Sponsa,

            I have to agree with you, today our society is ever so dependent on electricity, food, gas and all the creature comforts. When hurricane Irene came ashore a few short months ago, my region was hit hard, I lost power for three days, other weren’t as lucky, it took a week or longer for them. What did save my grocery bill a back up generator a friend let me barrow and having a propane stove for cooking to include a propane hotwater heater.

          • Brad

            Old Henry,

            I hear ya, I drive an eight year old SUV with a 4.6 liter V-8 in town with an ethanol blend E85 I get around 15 to 15.5 MPG with strait gas it goes up to 16 to 17 MPG. You are definetly right about blended gas in the fall and winter my gas milage goes down to 14 MPG and I do the samething you do, winterize and keep my tires at 35 PSI and don’t idle the engine too long, especially on cold mornings when it’s 10 degrees, all your doing is idling your gas away.

          • independent thinker

            “I have found that ethanol gasoline gives me the same MPG as non-ethanol gasoline.”

            I have not done a comparison myself but from talking to others it seems to depend on the vehicle. Some (especially newer) vehicles get the same milage on either and some vehicles do not get as good a milage on ethanol gas.

          • Brad

            IT,

            As a part time mechanic older vehicles that weren’t designed with a flexfuel engine tend to get worse gas milage with E85 then strait gas. That also includes the fuel system, lines, filters and fuel injectors, ethanol has been found to cause older systems to deteriorate. What is evan worse, all the older collector cars, if an owner replaces the entire fuel system so their fuel system doesn’t degrade then he/she can’t sell the car as original.

          • Old Henry

            Alx:

            I have been trying for several years now to ween myself off of FOOD. So far without success.

        • “JAVOPE”

          Doc
          never forget that you must keep the horse alive and healthy until the race is run.A simple statement think about it !!

      • theotherrhalf

        As long as oil is bought and sold using the dollar as currency you will be in bed with the arab countries. period. Doesn’t matter who is president.
        So your Muslim article is stupid.

        • Brad

          Then you need to get off your duff and tell your representatives we need to become energy independent. Building the said pipeline will generate thousands of new jobs and when we start drilling for our own oil it will create evan more new jobs. When and if that may happen this country will become so flush with money we won’t know what to spend it on.

          • Aix Sponsa

            AMEN, good comment. At the same time we individuals must make steps to “live without the support grid” of electricity, gasoline, gas heat, and FOOD. Does anyone realize that the total USA food reserve is 3 weeks???? Think a massive snow storm is bad news? A couple years ago I spent 19 days without electricity, 12 days with no running water, a week with no cell system, 2 weeks with no landline, several days of no transportation, and the stores were almost empty anyway….. but I had heat that did not require electricity to operate, and plenty of food and stored water. THINK ABOUT IT.

          • Old Henry

            Brad:

            “this country will become so flush with money we won’t know what to spend it on.”

            Fear not, the liberals will find SOMETHING.

          • Old Henry

            Alx:

            And then you moved out of Detroit!

          • Brad

            Old Henry,

            They will start another social program to know where, trains no one and gives free money to bums and vagrants.

      • eddie47d

        Doc is correct again. Alternatives are still in their infancy just like oil was 100 years ago. Even electricity was once in it’s infancy and now everyone has it.Alternatives will grow and become a valuable energy asset to our growing demands so I’m not sure why the author insists on only playing up one side.That makes me suspicious of his motives and one track mind. He says we have to frack for more gas when that is already being done across this country. West Texas is pumping from new wells and the same here in Colorado so the author is extremely biased in his opinion. There are hundreds of wells on the North Shore of Alaska and more are in the works. (I’m personally against these new wells for environmental reasons)but none the less they are there. As Doc says there are few places where oil will be easy to get to and there is not as much sweet oil left. What we do have (like the tar sands) is more expensive to get to and more costly to process. If and when the Keystone XL pipeline is built many square miles of farmland will be eaten up and some homeowners back yards.Numerous chemicals also have to be used within the pipeline because tar sands are too heavy to move on there own. So if we are looking for cheap oil that won’t happen and prices could increase.

        • Dennis48e

          ” Alternatives are still in their infancy just like oil was 100 years ago.”

          Exactly. Since they are in their infancy we CANNOT rely on them for a significant portion of our energy needs. Hopefully continued researdh will provide the efficiencies needed to make alternative energy sources viable but we are far from that point.

    • Jibbs

      Doc,
      Why don’t you do some research of wind/solat power and let me know how much it would take you to get off the grid. Then let me know how much maint. will cost you over the next 15 years.

      I have checked into both forms and it is just not affordable for anyone to make the switch. The least costly wind power would set you back around 12k to 16k before you even start making power. On the days there is no wind, your in the dark.

      And solar, well all I can say is good luck. One good hail storm and your F%$ked, not to mention you would need about a half acre just to have enough panels. Do your own research and stop buying into the government and media bs.

      I’m not defending the left, the right or the government/msm. I’m just stating the truth about wind/solar.

      As for obama being christian, you should read his book and see what he himself has written in plain black and white.

      • Doc Sarvis

        You should be more honest with yourself as to how much we are actually proping up the oil industry with all sorts of subsidies in order to keep us addicted to crude (including the cost of wars in both financial terms and human lives). By the way, solar and wind are just two of many alternatives (established and emerging).

        I have read the first of his two books and have a full appreciation of his Christian life.

        • Jibbs

          I guess you missed the part where he said if it came down to war, he would side with the muslums

          • eddie47d

            Apparently not since he has expanded the wars against the Muslims and authorized taking out terrorists.

          • JeffH

            eddie47d says, “Apparently not since he has expanded the wars against the Muslims and authorized taking out terrorists.”

            Yeah, right…he expanded the war for more crony war profiteers and has supported the Muslim Brotherhood in the downfall of Egypt, Lybia, Syria and in the USA. Quite an expansion of war against the Muslims…NOT!

            Obama’s uncritical stance toward Islamic organizations included American groups with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, despite the Brotherhood’s stated goal of “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.”

            It was Obama who chose the head of a Muslim Brotherhood-linked group, Ingrid Mattson, who was then president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), to give an Islamic prayer at the National Cathedral on Obama’s Inauguration Day – despite the fact that the previous summer, federal prosecutors rejected a request from ISNA to remove its unindicted co-conspirator status.

            Even worse, in April 2009, Obama appointed Arif Alikhan​, the deputy mayor of Los Angeles, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. Just two weeks before he received this appointment, Alikhan (who once called the jihad terror group Hizballah a “liberation movement”) participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Like ISNA, MPAC has links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

            The Muslim Brotherhood​ is a pro-Sharia group; and Obama’s chief adviser on Islamic affairs, Dalia Mogahed​, is a pro-Sharia Muslim.

            In light of all this, it is no accident that Obama specifically invited representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood to attend his notorious speech to the Islamic world in Cairo in June 2009. Nor should it come as any surprise that he is taking a sanguine view of the Muslim Brotherhood’s taking part in a new Egyptian government.

            After all, Brotherhood operatives are in the American government and working closely with it, thanks to Barack Obama​. Why shouldn’t the same situation prevail in Tunisia, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen…?

            The riots in the Middle East have been manifested by the Muslim Brotherhood.
            http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/03/barack-obama-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/

          • eddie47d

            You’re too funny Jeff. What utter nonsense from your catalog of fabrications. Obama never supported the Muslim Brotherhood they just happened to be there in those countries. During our revolution there were many opposing forces who were for and against us. Various other countries like the French and several Indian tribes took sides but the Revolution still went on.Your exaggerations only exceed your ignorant ploys.

          • JeffH

            eddie…

            The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don’t know anything about.
            Wayne Dyer

          • eddie47d

            Jeff peddles lies and then becomes deceitful about it. Is that a double lie?

          • JeffH

            eddie…LMAO again, wah, wah, wah…prove me wrong instead of some silly meaningless drivel…that’s what other do to you, prove you wrong.

            You have the same opportunity as anyone else here to refute what anyone says. OOPS! Forgot, you’re just a liberal with no facts and no proof to back-up up what is said…other than your usual childish, nonsensical blather.

          • eddie47d

            I do prove you wrong and you respond with childish nonsense. Polly Want A Cracker or some other ridiculous BS. You hide you dishonesty with more frivolous spiced up crap.

          • JeffH

            Another example of an eddie lie…

            eddie says
            October 12, 2011 at 6:40 pm
            I do prove you wrong and you respond with childish nonsense. Polly Want A Cracker or some other ridiculous BS. You hide you dishonesty with more frivolous spiced up crap.

            LIAR!

        • Old Henry

          Doc:

          How about all this “green” energy, which requires rare earth metals, putting us at the mercy of Communst China who controls about 90% of them? Did you miss that article last week?

        • Dennis48e

          “By the way, solar and wind are just two of many alternatives (established and emerging).”

          Name several of these additional alternatives and tell us how much promise each has.

      • eddie47d

        For those who do purchase solar they usually come out ahead and some do go off the grid. Solar is a viable system for homes and businesses and the more people that convert the more heating oil will be available for other homeowners or businesses. We will always be dependant on oil(even from the Arab world) so every resource and means should be encouraged.

        • Jibbs

          eddie, read my post above, please provide a link to your claim. Between the cost to install solar or wind and the maint., it would take 20 to 40 years to recover your costs.

          • Doc Sarvis

            And the death of American soldiers is worth just how many gallons of gas?

          • Aix Sponsa

            Doc, that is a myopic view. Certainly I despise the fact that our soldiers die for a seemingly useless situation. Most people cannot understand that the reason the USA fights in the middle east is to give HOPE to many muslim countries to become a democracy and remain friendly to the USA. When the muslims do finally unite against the infidel (WW3 has begun), they will control 70% of the world’s oil production and have us on our knees begging. You think that we might be sitting hungry in dark and cold houses then? Driving an hour to work? If there is any work. People should interpret their bibles from the muslim/infidel standpoint. THAT IS the real WW3.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Doc and eddie, you “Ladies” will stop at nothing to win, even make ridiculously stupid comments.

            Did you GIRLS ever do a little research and figure how we are going to convert EVERYTHING WE USE on a daily basis to solar or wind power?
            Lets get real here!!!__Even if in time you do manage to convert it, your swapping one energy for another. If ya go mainly all electric, the electric bills will be more outlandish than they all ready are now!__WIND POWER??_ Peta and the EPA are b*tech in’ up a storm because of the amount of bird kills,from Jetliners and oil spills.
            In California, The Enviro Whack jobs choose to save a stupid endangered fish, over water for a farmers crops which is for human consumption!__
            There is already countless of number of bird kills from the wind turbines already being used, but ya never hear a d*nm thing about that, do you?
            There is nothing wrong with clean air and not slopping up our waterways. But when you Enviro wackers get involved, ya want to change EVERYTHING IN A FRICKIN INSTANT. Face it girls, Fossil Fuels are going to be around a while and there is nothing your gonna do to stop it.
            Washington needs to stop the crazy politics and allow drilling here in the states. Further more they need to lighten up this regulation and tax to get this economy rolling again. The “STIMULOUS” BILL DIDN’T stimulate anything but everyone’s anger!

          • Jibbs

            We have no business bombing other countrys in the first place. Just think how much oil, money and lives that would save. But from what you are posting, it sounds like you are in favor of the United States invading oil rich countrys and making war on them with oil being the only reason.

            And if you think that invading these countrys is in some way protecting the US, you are 100% wrong.
            How would you feel in these countrys invaded the US because they wanted our oil or if they had a kill list? I think you would be pi$$ed off and angry too.

            Solar Power Installation Breakdown
            Posted: 2009-10-03
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            There is a great deal of misinformation circulating about the cost of installing a solar power system, specifically a roof-mounted photovoltaic (PV) one. The fact is, $25,000-$60,000 to buy a solid, sensible PV system for your family’s home is a lot of money, so it is quite reasonable for prospective buyers to want to know where the money gets spent, and how.

            It is important to remember that you are essentially pre-paying your electric power for the next 25 or so years. Your investment up front will be repaid to you in dependable solar energy as long as you have an honest, knowledgeable solar installer do the work for you). For this article, we will discuss the installation of a 3kW system, which is the average size for a family of three or four in a 2,500 sq. ft. house.

            An Overview
            Here’s a full breakdown of component prices, let’s look at the overall picture seeing how big each “slice” of component or labor is compared to the whole. With many years of experience and information coming in from all over the world, solar-related non-profits and trade associations have come up with some pretty accurate numbers about residential installations:

            Complete systems installed: $8-$10/watt
            1 kW System: $11-12,000
            2 kW System: $16-20,000
            3 kW System: $24-30,000 (present example)
            4 kW System: $31-35,000
            Components:
            Solar modules: $4-7/watt, approximately 60% of total cost
            Mounts, racks, wiring, etc.: $0.75-1.50/watt, 15% of total cost
            Inverter: $0.50-1/watt, 10% of total cost
            Installation: $1-3/watt, 15% of total cost
            The Heart of the System – Solar Panels
            The PV panels themselves are more efficient than five years ago, and will be more efficient five years hence. Still, you want to build today, or quite soon, so you would be looking at the present range of PV panel prices, which is from $4 to $7 per watt. A Kyocera or other major name panel rated at 224W is selling in mid-2009 for approximately $1100, or $5 per watt. For an example 3kW system, you’re looking at 14 of these, or $15,400.

            The solar panels make up some 60% of the total cost, because the cells themselves are made primarily of pure silicon (which is expensive) and take a good deal of time to make. This is the area in which advancing technology will have the greatest impact in the mid- and long-term, and since it is the biggest cost component, total system prices will come down as solar panel prices do.

            The Mounts and the Inverter
            Depending on your roof’s pitch, constructions, materials and condition, mounting hardware can be a straightforward and reasonable expense. If you have to use angle mounts on the roof or ground, or even pole-mounted arrays, additional expenses may be incurred. Overall, roughly $2,000-$5,000 (depending on complexity, and system size) can be spent getting your PV panels positioned to capture the energy your home needs.

            Your inverter, which can cost anywhere from $1900 to $3500 for the home we’re discussing, comes to about 10% of the total cost. You want a unit that will last as the life of your system.

            Labor Costs
            Even though labor is a healthy 15% of the total cost, you should not count on doing the work yourself. This is not a weekend warrior kind of project, but a painstaking project requiring several different kinds of expertise. Construction, masonry, electrical work and miscellaneous other tasks will challenge even the most experienced home handyman. For this kind of installation—the source of your family’s energy for the next three decades—you want the best help you can get.

            This help can come in the form of between three and six workers, but for our example home of 2,500 sq. ft., five workers could get the job done in a matter of two or three days (16-24 hours). Carpenters, system installers and an electrician would work in concert to prepare the roof, install the mounts, set up the panels, complete the wiring and flight-test the system.

            However you calculate it, a solar power system is a win-win-win situation. You win, the installer wins—and so does the planet, thanks to your decision to “go solar.”

            For more information visit Lazar’s Solar Guide which offers a detailed and broad overview of Solar Power technology.BTW, this cost sheet is from 2009, and doe’s not incliude a battery bank to store power for cloudy day’s or maint.

            Deep cell batterys would cost over $100.00 each and you would need atleast 6 to 8 of them. These would have to be replaced about every 5 years. Don’t forget if you take out a loan to install this system, you will have interest cost to add in to the total cost.

            SO Doc and eddie, are you going to install this system, after all you said it’s viable?

          • Angel Wannabe

            BTW___ DOC and EDDIE__in pertaining to Solar_ I neglected to ask how that “SOLYNDRA” Solar Company is working out for ya? __Your Messiah did what you guys wanted and screwed it up anyway!!!__539 Million dollars and THEY WENT BANKRUPT anyway!!!???__and you’ve the nerve to b*tch at Conservatives for not siding with the Enviro wackos!!!!__

            That’s just laughable!!!!

          • eddie47d

            The problem Angel is that you lied coming straight out of the gate. You are very loose with the facts for I have repeatedly said over the many months that we will be dependent on oil for a very long time. I have never said otherwise and you must have been sleeping on those several days that I have said that. Now is that clear or do I have to repeat it again and again in case you are not paying attention? So maybe you are the one making “stupid and ridiculous comments”. You must have missed the day I brought up flight patterns of birds and the areas where wind turbines can be built to avoid killing them. I love birds but it is like every American city with tall glass buildings where millions of birds crash to their deaths every year. Until next time I guess we’ll just keep playing the sarcasm game.

        • Old Henry

          eddie:

          Just curious, how many solar panels did you have to install to power your home? Were you able to get off the grid?

          • eddie47d

            Don’t have any in this community(neighborhood association) but I did have 4 panels back in the 80-90′s but not enough to get off of the grid. My good friend Dale had total solar installed earlier this year and so far it is working great and is off the grid but he still has a full winter coming up.

          • Jana

            Old Henry,
            I was wondering the same thing.

          • Jibbs

            eddie47d says:
            October 12, 2011 at 11:25 am
            Don’t have any in this community(neighborhood association) but I did have 4 panels back in the 80-90′s but not enough to get off of the grid. My good friend Dale had total solar installed earlier this year and so far it is working great and is off the grid but he still has a full winter coming up.

            ———————————————————————-

            Eddie, how many sq.ft. is his house? What is his power consumption(kilowatts per month)? How much did that set up cost and did he have to get a loan to purchase it? Doe’s his system have a reserve series of batterys for cloudy days or ice/snow covered panels? It’s new now, but wait til the maint. starts to kick in.

          • eddie47d

            Drilling for oil is expensive too but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

          • Old Henry

            eddie:

            Your Home Owners Association is An Ti Grrreen?! In CO? Denver / Ft. Collins area?! Say it ain’t so eddie!

            I know how those things are as I have a sister in the Denver Metro area and there is one of those Nazi operations in her neighborhood. Hell, they check the color of their houses, roofs. look for cracks in the sidewalks / driveways. I just laugh, shake my head and tell her it’s a good thing I don’t live there…. I keep my place pretty well mancured and kept up, but NO ONE is going to dictate that crap to me.

        • John

          Having done the research, and checked with the experts from most of the international energy commissions, it is true that the oil in the Gulf of Mexico will eventually be used up. The worst real case scenario, meaning the time frame, and we increase the usage by one million barrels per month, That oil will be gone in about 475 years. That only takes into account the oil that has been discovered to date, in the Gulf of Mexico. It does not take into account what is in any part of the rest of the world. So with that time frame, we have time to figure out other sources of energy.

          • JeffH

            John, and 475 years leaves plenty of time to develop viable, affordable alternative energy sources…if the government would allow the free market the leeway to do so…until that happens, the crony-partnership of government/green wackos will continue funneling our tax dollars and borrowed fiat money on the likes of Al Gore and crony-partners like Solyndra and GE.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff’s negativity only exceeds his closed mind.

          • JeffH

            eddie…

            It is better to confess ignorance than provide it.
            Homer Hickam

          • eddie47d

            You just proved it again about yourself and no embarrassment.What a dead soul!

          • Old Henry

            In 475 years Little Barry will be 3/4 thru his 119th term in office, including this one. And his boss George will be 556 years old.

          • JeffH

            eddie, rather than just saying stupid things, why don’t you just point out what was negative and closed minded about my comment?

            To accuse another of having weak kidneys, lungs, or heart, is not a crime; on the contrary, saying he has a weak brain is a crime. To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being called gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness, every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and exaltation, but stupidity hasn’t.

            -Primo Levi

          • eddie47d

            I have many times Jeff and you have become a waste of time.

          • JeffH

            eddie, YOU ARE A LIAR and you know it!

      • Old Henry

        Jibbs:

        I think Doc may be in the dark with or without wind.

        Here’s a thought. If solar is so expensive why not have the government equip all of us with solar? That way it won’t cost us anything… Or better yet why don’t all the rich fat cat liberals pony up their cash and fix us all up with solar? Just think of the jobs they could create. Oops, I forgot, their money is their money and our money is their money.

        • Jibbs

          Old Henry
          eddie said his friend Dale is off the grid with solar. WOW!! his friend must be rich…..I wonder if eddie forced him to share his wealth since he was able to get off the grid and now has even more money per month to “share” with the rest of the country.

          • Old Henry

            Jibbs:

            LOL! However, since birds of a feather flock together I would guess eddie’s friend is also a liberal and we all know that liberal’s money is their money – as is everyone else’s money. So, no I think his buddy Dale will let eddie fend for himself.

            I did have a flash, however. since the “Association” bans solar panels how ’bout eddie run an extension cord?

    • Old Henry

      Well Doc, working toward alternative energies has its place. However, there are currently NO viable alternative energies.

      Oil and natural gas are currently the only game in town. We, as a nation, have more oil and gas than the ME. Our problem is LIBERALS and the communist greens who want to replace God Almighty with mother earth / father sky. God gave man dominion over the earth to use it for our advantage.

      I believe in conservation as the root word of conservative is conserve. Plus it saves me money which I also like to conserve.

      • eddie47d

        So Liberals who want to conserve are communists but Conservative who conserve are “obviously” more pious. LOL

        • Patriot II

          eddie. Let me throw Stones here (for all of the rest of you that is what eddie calls me offereing my opinion)

          “IB” is my new acronym for “I Believe”)

          I was raised on farm, I was a Conservationist starting in 1968 when I did a water resources project and visited a Hydroelectric Dam with my 4-H club.

          IB, We “Conservationists” know how to use our Natural Resources with Common sense and respect for the Land. IB, radicalism like envirnmentalists do not and they are Hypocrits.

          IB, Most radical environmentalists are born in cities, and never really go out and experience Agriculture (IB I may be wrong)

          IB Many raised in Cities agree with me and IB they buy in to Conservation of Natural Resources like I do.

          IB there is a HUGE Difference between Common Sense Conservation and Ignorant Stupid Environmentalist Hype and conjecture. (Big stone here, yup yup 10-4 good buddy!)

          Yes, IB most envronmentalist are absolutley my enemy in this and IB most of them are Liberals, and IB another word for Liberal is Socialist and IB another way to desribe a Socialist is a Communist!

          • Brad

            AMEN Brother, IB!

          • eddie47d

            I would say that Patriot is the full blown hypocrite and a very nasty pious one.

          • Opal the Gem

            And I would say eddie blows hot air out both ends usualy at the same time.

          • Old Henry

            Stonethrower…. is that your injun name?

            “Stupid Environmentalist Hype” And as we all know that hype has very, very little to do with conservation and EVERY thing to do with control and wealth confiscation.

          • eddie47d

            Stop buying the dope Opal

        • Old Henry

          eddie:

          Heh, heh. Sometimes your convoluted thinking just….

    • Chris Schilke

      It takes a crisis to move people out of their comfort zone. There may be solutions out there that just don’t seem plausible because we are still to dependent on what we are already used to. There are always alternatives but, not everybody will be willing to change until forced to by circumstances. Remember whale oil?
      However, there still is plenty of oil for a while and that includes in the ground here. The problem is that people don’t want to mess up their own backyards and they’d rather give away of all of their wealth to maintain their current comfort level.
      So, for whatever reason, powerful people have brainwashed the public into thinking that this country can survive by giving our wealth away to people who hate us and that we can’t afford to pollute our country, let the Saudis pollute theirs instead. Industrial accidents will happen, oil will be spilled but somehow we’ve managed to survive all of these disasters. The long term solution to this energy problem won’t be found in Saudi oil; it’ll be found here if the government gets out of the way and allows the spark of imagination to catch hold and burn.
      This used to be a country that could think outside the box and that is why we were able to build the Panama Canal and the French couldn’t. I understand that there were advances in medicine that helped but the French engineers couldn’t figure out how to do it.

      • Old Henry

        I may be old Chris, but not old enogh to remember whale oil. LOL!

        If the government would get out of our lives I am sure entreprenours would come up with vialbe alternates. And as they did improvements would be made, efficiency would go up, costs would come down.

        I do not believe Little Barrys’ green fetish is about saving the planet. I think it is about bringing down our country.

        • eddie47d

          Everyone is wrong once in a while and your thinking is wrong about Obama trying to deliberately bring America down. We have lost our edge in the world but to lay it all on him doesn’t cut it.

          • DaveH

            Why should it surprise me that a guy who constantly puts words in other peoples’ mouths would claim that he knows what Obama is Thinking?

          • eddie47d

            Yet Dave thinks he knows what everyone is thinking LOL

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie__ I beg to differ, Bam Bam is SO trying to bring America down! He’s becoming more like a dictator everyday. His legislative means is by executive order. Bam Bam suggested to by pass congress & piece meal his Jobs/stimulus plan on those perticulars, that are more Bi partisan agreeable. No doubt to be riddled with triggers on issues they can’t/won’t openly debate on.

          • DaveH

            “Yet Dave thinks he knows what everyone is thinking LOL”.
            You just proved my point, Eddie. You make stuff up out of whole cloth and then wonder why we think you’re a useless Troll.

    • DaveH

      Since when have you displayed any forward thinking, Doc? The fact is that Liberals pursue the Force of Big Government because their “forward thinking” doesn’t work and the consumers aren’t interested. Only people with unworkable ideas need to hide behind the Force of Big Government. Those whose ideas are good have no trouble selling them in Free Markets.
      For those who still don’t get the reality of Liberal (Progressive) thinking, just examine the countries at the bottom of this list (those with the Biggest Governments) to see what Big Government gets people:
      http://heritage.org/index/ranking

  • Robert

    Nothing will change, look at the number of ex-Congressmen on the take from Saudi Arabia…They are all looking for a big fat Saudi cookie when the get out of office. President Clinton is a good exammple bening the spokesperson for Dubi.

  • bob wire

    “Obama either believes in the science fiction fantasy that affordable renewable energy will be developed any day, or he simply won’t give up a devilish deal with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Companies ”

    The White House provided a fact sheet which summarizes the key provisions of the half-trillion dollar bill.[14] Some of its elements include:

    1. Cutting and suspending $245 billion worth of payroll taxes for qualifying employers and 160 million medium to low income employees.
    2. Spending $62 billion for a Pathways Back to Work Program for expanding opportunities for low-income youth and adults.
    3. Spending $50 billion on both new & pre-existing infrastructure projects.
    4. Spending $49 billion on extending unemployment benefits for up to 6 million long-term beneficiaries.
    5. Spending $35 billion in additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters
    6. Spending $30 billion to modernizing at least 35,000 public schools and community colleges.
    7. Spending $15 billion on a program that would hire construction workers to help rehabilitate and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes and businesses.
    8. Creating the National Infrastructure Bank (capitalized with $10 billion), originally proposed in 2007, to help fund infrastructure via private and public capital.
    9. Creating a nationwide, interoperable wireless network for public safety, while expanding accessibility to high-speed wireless services.
    10. Creating additional regulations on businesses who discriminate against hiring those who are long-term unemployed.

    Hmm? Mr. Myer, items 3,6 & 8 will address energy conservation both directly and indirectly. These upgrade will save a bundle in cost. Today’s markets offer us significant advancements in both construction materials and all devices that consume power.

    It’s been hard to keep abreast of the many recent advancements, requiring schooling and testing in many cases. Frigidaire has a System on the market I can wait to install my first. Frigidaire would not sell it to me until I schooled and passed a test. It’s “thinking machine” down to the smallest details, load,demand,speed,run-time,real time,down time, recovery time, humidity,temps,zones, faults and anomalies.

    I help another contractor install one such system last year, ~ this summer the consumer reports never has he kept his home cooler and his energy consumption is down 30%.

    But I know what you mean, ~ I too was looking for a break-out to advancement made in the power grid and the many thousands of jobs it would create. There is no mention and nothing refers to it in this bill.

    • ValDM

      While you’re extolling the virtues of the O’boy’s “jobs plan”, look at how he intends to do it by just re-reading your own post : Spending, spending, spending. In case you haven’t noticed, we’re BROKE. Where in the world do you think this money will come from? The gov’t isn’t interested in cutting ANY of its programs, so that means those who still have a job will have to shoulder the freight of this SPENDING bill. Oh, but wait……..the msm just reported the bill didn’t pass. We have a reprieve for a little bit, at least.

      • bob wire

        I believe the knee jerk action has got the best of most of you. ~ I wasn’t advocating anything! I posted what was proposed, so Jump back Jack, your are a little quick on the trigger Hip Shot.

        But since you open the doors, ~ It’s true that advanced design has been on the self of Eastern Europe for some time, ~ while your numbers are embellish somewhat to support your fever. American markets quite simple wasn’t ready for them, not with cheap fuel available. ~ I’ve been in the energy management field at various stages and levels for over 40 years, both on land and sea. The States has been behind a good 20 years I will admit. ~ If you stop to consider the US helped both Japan and Europe retool after world war II while not bothering to itself only then might your numbers be correct. ~ But as far as product goes 10 to 20 at best today and the gap is now closing.

        Few American were willing to buy it! and the only reason that they did was because of Federal mandates and incentives.

        So I think you are little wet with you suggestion of federal interference impeding advanced markets.

        In as far as tax and spend, ~ you can expect being taxed regardless, and money is truly worthless unless you threaten to spent it or commit it.

        Unless some major tax reform is right around the corner( and I don’t see any coming) we are not going to be taxed any less REGARDLESS what might happen.

        So I don’t expect Government to Tax and Save. The only question you should be asking yourself is what will they spend it on. For a good 8 years money was poorly spent and today we are left spending more by virtue of military commitment and propping up failing “systems” brought on by failed spending practices.

        Now if you wish to discuss Tax reform, that a different ball game and another level of discussion.

        I personally don’t believe under the current system everyone’s is toting an equatable load and the volume or the bulk of the load is shouldered by people making under 100,000 dollars per year. I believe every working person in America should be able to feel like that they too contributed to their nations general fund and are vested American and take some comfort and pride in being a part of the American experience.

        • ValDM

          bob,
          First & foremost, my name isn’t Hip Shot. I don’t know exactly to whom you were addressing your largely confusing tirade, but I didn’t quote any figures. I was merely responding to your attempt to prop up the O’boy’s “jobs plan” by stating what was supposedly in the bill. I asked you to look very carefully at your OWN post about all the SPENDING. And what did you do? well, you did what anyone would do when caught in an illogical thought & corrected with logic…..attack the messenger. Except you didn’t quite succeed. You responded with an even more confusing tirade. Did you actually have a point in all this?

          • bob wire

            My apologies Sir, I was confronting an attack from all sides.

            So do any of you expect returns without investment?

            We are waiting for people to invest and if they don’t what do you do?

            You create a climate that makes investment a good idea. If Big Business fails to lead the way, who is left?

            There should be other things worthy of investment beside “WAR”. America need to get beyond this sense of need of war to power their factories.

            This dominant mindset is making the 21 century more complicated then it needs to be.

    • Aix Sponsa

      BobWire, for example: Very inexpensive and 40% more efficient air conditioning/refrigeration systems have existed for decades. Europe and Australia use them extensively. Few are in the USA. Ask yourself why not. Blame it on Bush, too? Why are they ignored? Costs less than $200 per home or small business…… and CANNOT BE PATENTED. I have them. No I don’t believe in the 200 mpg carburetor, but there are lots of things that have come along that have been suppressed. IMO within 5-10 years our society will make a massive forced change to self sufficiency. LEDs, work at home, solar heating systems ($1K per home now), many personal steps to reduce our overall consumption. I mean that we as individuals will learn to “do without” because there is no product or no money to get it. Society will be forced to regress 100 years to family self sustainment. Hide and watch.

    • Aix Sponsa

      BOBWIRE. You espouse tax and spend. Where do you think the money comes from?

      • bob wire

        Money come from demand. ~ Where do you think it comes from?

      • bob wire

        You take away demand, what are you left with? Paper or plastic? ~ or gold. Yummy!

    • Brad

      bob wire,

      1. Cutting and suspending $245 billion worth of payroll taxes for qualifying employers and 160 million medium to low income employees. The democRATS have already cut FICA by 2% from every US tax payer putting that money back into my pocket and yours, so the RATS have taken that 2% from our own SS and Medicare system who’s going to pay for that loose. If Ohmama’s jobs bill is passed it will cut another 2% from employeer’s and give it back to them, the only thing I see Ohmama doing is bankrupting SS and medicare before their time.

      245 billion in FICA tax cuts according to you and new spending at 251 billion will be the end of us, taking from peter to pay paul, ultimately someone gets the shaft and right now the US tax payer is going to get it again.

      • bob wire

        Well Brad, I enjoy your argument and apericate the shell game nature of the problem it presents if projected over many years time not to consider attempting to undo something that has been in effect a few years has proved to be most difficult.

        But I guess you know you a suggesting that if people could keep more of their earning as a bad thing?

        • Brad

          Bob wire,

          It’s pretty bad when Ohmama has to use the lame duck congress (Nov 10-Jan 11) to pass a bill which includes those FICA tax cuts. Sure everyone likes a little extra money in their pockets but not at the expence of SS and Medicare receipts, so who’s playing the shell game, Ohmama and company. Answer this why was the cut for one year only? I have a pretty good idea, to use the tax as a way tell the voters republicans want to raise everyones tax’s but in reality we would be reinstalling a tax to keep SS and Medicare funded. Lets wait a second, won’t the bush era tax cuts expire in Dec 2012, is Ohmama going to run a campaign to keep those cuts or will he try to allow them to expire. Headlines across the nation, “President Ohmama allows largest tax increase in national history” this from a president who wants to tax and spend us to death.

        • Brad

          Bob wire,

          Just think about this, reduced SS payments due to reduced FICA payments, so who’s playing games now, friend.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    John The only common sense solution is to drill baby drill. Rick Perry emphasized it last night in the debate but I think there are others running that would do the same thing. I would recommend everyone make sure they have a personal relationship with Jesus as God The Father will ultimately set the timetable and events of the future.

  • Patriot II

    This is from MY Perspective and Point of View………….There are two Worlds, the Fantasy dream World where Obama, Libs, left Wing Dems, Hollywierd and much of the “Education Business” live in.

    The other world is Real World Reality where Conservatives and “Doers” live. “The old saying is those who can, do. Those who can’t Dream”

    Conservative Capitalists are Builders and Doers.

    Laborers and worker bees are in between with the exception of Unions who (from my point of view) are just greedy and the Union Leadership clearly resembles organized crime.

    Dreamers who have no grasp on reality mostly just get in the way of progress. They do this by over regulating and taxing and wasting the money they get from the doers because they are fools.

    From my Viewpoint, I see these two groups as Givers and Takers.

    Conservative Capitalists are Givers, and Liberals and Socialists are Takers. Big Government is made up 90% of Takers. Takers are Fools and Thieves.

    • CP

      True “Conservative Capitalists” are hardly givers, unless they have already taken all you have and decide to give you just enough to keep you alive so you can do more for them. Take a really GOOD look at history and the “Railroad Barons” and the “Oil Barons”. These were pretty much the original “Conservative Capitalists.” Of course, the same could be said for early coal mine owners, or any deep rock mine owner/operator. These people were the original “Conservative Capitalists,” and I, for one, would hate to see this country revert to the type of operation they ran.

      • Patriot II

        CP, please try to think a little below the surface.

        They gave us the “Railroads”
        They developed the Oil fields
        They gave employment to the coal miners

        Sure they made alot of money doing it. There is nothing wrong with that.

        Yes, I am jealous of them that they made so much
        Yes, I am mad at them becuase of the way they exploited the Poor workers.

        BUT……the damned FACT here is, they ARE doers!! Why dont you get that?

        I’ll say it again.. Capitalism builds things! Is that simple enough for you?

        Or are you saying that it doesn’t? and if so how is living in that Fantasy world helping you?

    • eddie47d

      You think that way because you live in your lopsided dream world. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were Liberals and very visionary. They created millions of jobs and each and everyone of us has benefited from their technology. Unions aren’t perfect but they brought Americans the highest standards in the work force with safety ,working hours ,pay and benefits which has helped each and every American at one time or another.We have some of the most beautiful places in the world(National Parks) because those with a Liberal vision could see ahead and protect those treasures for future generations. So you keep living in your “real world” and dividing this country up. I’ll never claim that Liberals are perfect and sometimes they can create problems just like Conservatives do.

      • Jibbs

        iPhone: Who’s the real manufacturer? (It isn’t Apple)
        By Texyt Staff – Fri, 06/29/2007 – 11:45. AsiaOpinionTechnology
        Who makes the iPhone? If you answered ‘Apple’, you’re wrong. The iPhone is a global effort. Tens of thousands of people at more than 30 companies on 3 continents work together to make Apple’s first phone possible.

        Apple, of course, designs the product, and also created the single most important ‘component’ – the software that gives the iPhone its unique personality.

        But, while Apple gets the credit, behind the scenes there are a host of other players, each of which has to build and deliver complex parts on schedule to make the iPhone possible.

        Some of them are well known names, like US-based Intel, which supplies the NOR flash chips which hold the iPhone’s updatable system software; and Korea’s Samsung, which makes the video processor IC. Two famous names from consumer electronics, Japan’s Sharp and Sanyo Epson, are among the suppliers of the phone’s bright 3.5-inch display.

        Unknown suppliers
        Then there are the unknowns, each of which plays a small but vital role. Ever heard of Balda AG? Chinese factories owned by this German firm make the touch sensitive modules which are fixed onto the iPhone’s LCD to make its innovative multi-touch control possible. It’s also Balda’s technology which allowed Apple to switch to a tough scratch-resistant glass screen, to avoid the complaints over scratching that tainted the iPod Nano launch.

        Another low profile firm, the UK’s Cambridge Silicon Radio (CSR), is the creator of the iPhone’s Bluetooth module, in a deal that reportedly earns the integrated circuit design house $1.20 for each iPhone made.

        You might have heard of the companies behind a few of the other iPhone chips – if you’ve ever wrestled with network driver installation on a PC. Marvell designs the WiFi chip, for example. Broadcom, best known for its networking chips, is the company behind the specialized interface chip that interprets the movement of your fingers on the multitouch screen.

        While these chips are designed in Europe or the US, most of them aren’t made there. Instead they are rolling off production lines in Asia, from companies like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), undoubtedly the world’s biggest unknown chip maker, or its slightly smaller rival, United Microelectronic Corp (UMC) – both companies are based in Taiwan.

        The distinctive aluminum and stainless steel iPhone case is also made by a Taiwanese firm, Catcher Technology, according to analysts in Taiwan.

        Final assembly mystery

        No matter where the iPhone’s myriad components are made, they all end up in one place: the factories of a lead contractor whose identity is now something of a mystery. Apple’s iPod manufacturing partner, Taiwan’s Foxconn, was long rumored to be the company that assembled the hundreds of components into a sleek iPhone. However, Foxconn’s CEO recently surprised investors by telling them that these reports were incorrect, according to Reuters. Another likely Taiwanese candidate, Quanta, is rumored to be working on the iPhone, but only on the next generation, so-called ‘iPhone 2.0′.

        Analysts in Foxconn’s home base of Taipei however, still confidently list Foxconn International Holdings as the iPhone’s assembler, despite the company CEO’s apparent denial. Whoever the assembler is, it is there that the chips are planted onto printed circuit boards supplied by Taiwan’s Unimicron Technology Corp. Then all the components are fitted into the metal and plastic case to make a completed iPhone, ready for shipment to the US.

        A second 3G iPhone?
        During recent months, sources at a few of the component manufacturers named in this article have told regional media that Apple appears to be working on two different iPhone designs. The key feature attributed to ‘iPhone 2.0′ is 3G, as well as the GSM standard supported by the original iPhone. At least one of the smaller components suppliers has reportedly already delivered parts for this forthcoming product.

        iPhone Primary Contractors – a partial list Software and design Apple USA
        Assembly Foxconn?, Quanta, Unknown Taiwan
        TFT-LCD Screen Sanyo Epson, Sharp, TMD Japan
        Video processor chip Samsung Korea
        Touch screen overlay Balda Germany
        Bluetooth chip Cambridge Silicon Radio UK
        Chip manufacture TSMC, UMC Taiwan
        Baseband IC Infineon Technology Germany
        WIFI Chip Marvell USA
        Touch screen control chip Broadcom USA
        CMOS chip Micron USA
        NOR Flash ICs Intel, SST USA
        Display Driver chip National Semi, Novatek US, TW
        Case, Mechanical parts Catcher, Foxconn Tech Taiwan
        Camera lens Largan Precision Taiwan
        Camera module Altus-Tech, Primax, Lite On Taiwan
        Battery Charger Delta Electronics Taiwan
        Timing Crystal TXC Taiwan
        Passive components Cyntec Taiwan
        Connector and cables Cheng Uei, Entery Taiwan

        Note: This article is based on information supplied by KGI Securities, CLSA Asia-Pacific, published media reports, and other sources in Asia.

        Update June 30: Some of the first iPhones sold have been dismantled, and more information about components is emerging. For example, iFixit identifies Samsung as the manufacturer of the main NAND flash chips, and SkyWorks as the designer of the mobile radio amplifier. Think Secret has also carried out an iPhone teardown – in the linked photo the large chip at the bottom of the shot is the Samsung flash chip.

        There are only a handful of coputer made in the USA, but with parts from all over the world.
        So my point is eddie, they created most of the jobs overseas.
        http://www.computersmadeinusa.com/

        • Old Henry

          Holy smoke Jibbs! You’re gonna give yerself Carpal Tunnel!

      • Jibbs

        iPhone: Who’s the real manufacturer? (It isn’t Apple)
        By Texyt Staff – Fri, 06/29/2007 – 11:45. AsiaOpinionTechnology
        Who makes the iPhone? If you answered ‘Apple’, you’re wrong. The iPhone is a global effort. Tens of thousands of people at more than 30 companies on 3 continents work together to make Apple’s first phone possible.

        Apple, of course, designs the product, and also created the single most important ‘component’ – the software that gives the iPhone its unique personality.

        But, while Apple gets the credit, behind the scenes there are a host of other players, each of which has to build and deliver complex parts on schedule to make the iPhone possible.

        Some of them are well known names, like US-based Intel, which supplies the NOR flash chips which hold the iPhone’s updatable system software; and Korea’s Samsung, which makes the video processor IC. Two famous names from consumer electronics, Japan’s Sharp and Sanyo Epson, are among the suppliers of the phone’s bright 3.5-inch display.

        Unknown suppliers
        Then there are the unknowns, each of which plays a small but vital role. Ever heard of Balda AG? Chinese factories owned by this German firm make the touch sensitive modules which are fixed onto the iPhone’s LCD to make its innovative multi-touch control possible. It’s also Balda’s technology which allowed Apple to switch to a tough scratch-resistant glass screen, to avoid the complaints over scratching that tainted the iPod Nano launch.

        Another low profile firm, the UK’s Cambridge Silicon Radio (CSR), is the creator of the iPhone’s Bluetooth module, in a deal that reportedly earns the integrated circuit design house $1.20 for each iPhone made.

        You might have heard of the companies behind a few of the other iPhone chips – if you’ve ever wrestled with network driver installation on a PC. Marvell designs the WiFi chip, for example. Broadcom, best known for its networking chips, is the company behind the specialized interface chip that interprets the movement of your fingers on the multitouch screen.

        While these chips are designed in Europe or the US, most of them aren’t made there. Instead they are rolling off production lines in Asia, from companies like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), undoubtedly the world’s biggest unknown chip maker, or its slightly smaller rival, United Microelectronic Corp (UMC) – both companies are based in Taiwan.

        The distinctive aluminum and stainless steel iPhone case is also made by a Taiwanese firm, Catcher Technology, according to analysts in Taiwan.

        Final assembly mystery

        No matter where the iPhone’s myriad components are made, they all end up in one place: the factories of a lead contractor whose identity is now something of a mystery. Apple’s iPod manufacturing partner, Taiwan’s Foxconn, was long rumored to be the company that assembled the hundreds of components into a sleek iPhone. However, Foxconn’s CEO recently surprised investors by telling them that these reports were incorrect, according to Reuters. Another likely Taiwanese candidate, Quanta, is rumored to be working on the iPhone, but only on the next generation, so-called ‘iPhone 2.0′.

        Analysts in Foxconn’s home base of Taipei however, still confidently list Foxconn International Holdings as the iPhone’s assembler, despite the company CEO’s apparent denial. Whoever the assembler is, it is there that the chips are planted onto printed circuit boards supplied by Taiwan’s Unimicron Technology Corp. Then all the components are fitted into the metal and plastic case to make a completed iPhone, ready for shipment to the US.

        A second 3G iPhone?
        During recent months, sources at a few of the component manufacturers named in this article have told regional media that Apple appears to be working on two different iPhone designs. The key feature attributed to ‘iPhone 2.0′ is 3G, as well as the GSM standard supported by the original iPhone. At least one of the smaller components suppliers has reportedly already delivered parts for this forthcoming product.

        iPhone Primary Contractors – a partial list Software and design Apple USA
        Assembly Foxconn?, Quanta, Unknown Taiwan
        TFT-LCD Screen Sanyo Epson, Sharp, TMD Japan
        Video processor chip Samsung Korea
        Touch screen overlay Balda Germany
        Bluetooth chip Cambridge Silicon Radio UK
        Chip manufacture TSMC, UMC Taiwan
        Baseband IC Infineon Technology Germany
        WIFI Chip Marvell USA
        Touch screen control chip Broadcom USA
        CMOS chip Micron USA
        NOR Flash ICs Intel, SST USA
        Display Driver chip National Semi, Novatek US, TW
        Case, Mechanical parts Catcher, Foxconn Tech Taiwan
        Camera lens Largan Precision Taiwan
        Camera module Altus-Tech, Primax, Lite On Taiwan
        Battery Charger Delta Electronics Taiwan
        Timing Crystal TXC Taiwan
        Passive components Cyntec Taiwan
        Connector and cables Cheng Uei, Entery Taiwan

        Note: This article is based on information supplied by KGI Securities, CLSA Asia-Pacific, published media reports, and other sources in Asia.

        Update June 30: Some of the first iPhones sold have been dismantled, and more information about components is emerging. For example, iFixit identifies Samsung as the manufacturer of the main NAND flash chips, and SkyWorks as the designer of the mobile radio amplifier. Think Secret has also carried out an iPhone teardown – in the linked photo the large chip at the bottom of the shot is the Samsung flash chip.

        There are only a handful of computer made in the USA, but with parts from all over the world.
        So my point is eddie, they created most of the jobs overseas.
        http://www.computersmadeinusa.com/

    • Don

      AMEN Patriot ll, you are 100% right !!

    • F86

      Conservatives are thieves who don’t believe in capitalism, Republican’ts are dishonorable ( 2 exceptions, Ike and Teddy )vermin that deserve nothing more tan a shove off the shoreline in a leaky rowboat. History says my view is fact. You are wecome to yours.

      • FreedomFighter

        You remind me of a monkey in a cage throwing poop, screaming stupidly and laughing at your own antics.

        Not really a pretty picture.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Patriot II

          and also re-nurturing themselves with it.

      • Jibbs

        When the demo-rats controlled all three branches of government couldn’t pass a budget, and now the parasites(non-working where’e my free handouts) protesting wallstreet want to end capitalism. Your just another troll hanging out with the working class.

      • S.C. Murf

        The only fact about you F86 is the fact that you need to make that popping sound. Obama is a muslim, from his own mouth he states he is a muslim, how much more fact do you need? It will be quite a while yet before we can get off oil, so the most logical path to take would be to drill and keep working at renuables. Our Govt. is evil and corrupt and anyone who says otherwise likes it that way and is evil and corrupt also, Doc Sarvis, fast eddie, big K etc., etc.. People satan was given dominion over this earth and anyone that has half a brain can see which way this evilness is leading us, and obama is the leader

        up the hill
        airborne

        • eddie47d

          Hey Freedom Fighter it looks like Murf is the one slinging the poop.None of us have said that government isn’t corrupt just that Wall Street and Corporations can be even more corrupt and evil. Your too busy hiding behind one equation and totally ignoring the other.Keep encouraging solid decent Corporations and good government but don’t be so blinded as you claim the other side is.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    what ever the past presidents have done is history let’s concentrate on what the sitting one is doing and that is to ruin this country. why dosent he stay in washington long enough to do his business instead of campaigning on the taxpayers dime. we must send him and his cohorts packing as soon as possible. the muslim decore in the white house is enough evidence of his faith.

  • Insurgent

    Thanks to approximately 51% of Americans with mental retardation, we now have a LFN from Kenya as president of the US !!!

    • Jibbs

      Well said, LFN fits very well! Hope you don’t mind if I use it.

    • F86

      I wonder if you would call him that to his face, you lowlife.

      • JeffH

        :) Absolutly…but I’d add Mr. POTUS first! :)

        I see that your posted name is F86…you do realize the F86 has long been outdated.

        • JeffH

          …I’ll add that you’re a little behind in your Marxist/Alinsky studies…most of us are familiar with rule# 6 and your over-use of it…

          5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

          • JeffH

            OOPS, my bad…rule# 5… :)

    • Aix Sponsa

      Ignoring the obvious direction this could take….. Please let me direct this to the electoral college who voted for Obama in spite of the fact that broken down by counties and territory, he actually lost. True, pure voting percentage for election is just one step from mob-rule. When 51% vote to have the other 49% support them, what will you do then? Civil War? Somehow we must regulate the “covert” electoral college to vote as the political regions vote. Of course, massive redistricting will florish so the balance will equalize. The real problem overall is that the politicians have little ethics, integrity, and honor……. probably because they are most all liars…. I mean lawyers……. oh what’s the difference?

      • Patriot II

        The answer is the Constitution, and States rights OVER Federalism.

    • bob wire

      “Insurgent says:
      October 12, 2011 at 8:32 am

      Thanks to approximately 51% of Americans with mental retardation, we now have a LFN from Kenya as president of the US !!!

      I remember thinking much the same when “W” was in office. I don’t when mama Bush dropped him, it wasn’t Kenya, I always suspect on his head.

  • Mike P

    Be easy on poor little old Obama. He’s just responding to the orders of his puppet masters. And if you think his antics aren’t disturbing enough just try this Herman Cain goon on for size in the next go round !

  • Henry Ledbetter

    How true Patriot 11.

  • Douglas Reutzel

    I wouldn’t bet that Mr Obama will not try some trick to suspend voting next year the man is a communist and he acts like one. When will wake up to this man’s plan for America? His plan is to bring America to its knees.

    • theotherrhalf

      lame comment.

      • Patriot II

        to theotherhalf:

        Douglas is right, you must have your head buried in the sand and are drinking some Kool-Aid .. It is absolutley clear that this is what Obama is doing /….why else would he be doing the Assinine things he does?

        DOES THE TERM OWG (ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT) SINK IN?

        • F86

          Yeah it’s what George Bush (41) was accused of – by RWR.

          • Patriot II

            F86, if you are commenting back to me, I agree with you on Bush, alot of Conservatives who are Partiots do as well.

      • bob wire

        Most willing to entertain any absurd thought could be come a Tea Party trade mark if you continue with such nonsense.

    • Aix Sponsa

      All it takes is a few more riots and a couple of terrorist acts= then= marshall law.

      • Patriot II

        Aix, good point.

        Someone corrected me yesterday on that word, so I am passing it on.

        it is “Martial” Law

        PII

  • Bob McCormick

    We should not be dependent on the Saudis for our oil, likewise we should not be dependent on Canada for oil. What we need to do is 1) develop several dependable sources of oil so we are not dependent on any one source 2) reduce our dependency on oil itself. Saudi oil or more accurately OPEC oil is in demand because it is high quality and easy to refine, and I see no problem buying it form them. The problem is not the oil, the problem is our total lack of long term planning, we have no energy policy.
    I have been predicting for years that we are in for a huge increase in oil prices if nothing changes, the prolonged world wide recession has put the day of reckoning off so far, but trust me it is coming. In case you haven’t noticed, China is fast becoming a capitalist economy, this is a huge country with a huge population that is destined to surpass us as the worlds largest consumer of oil. As I said we have no energy plan, China does, while we bitch about the Saudis and the caribou herds in Alaska, and pollution in the Gulf of Mexico and now Canadian oil sands the Chinese have been busy securing their future oil supplies and locking in a favorable price per barrel. Once the economy gets going, we will be competing for scarce supplies as world wide production struggles to meet demand, in the mean time the Chinese will have the oil they already have contracted for off the market and at their disposal .
    The recession is the only thing saving us from astronomical price hikes at the pump, and when it finally happens we will all be bitching and blaming China for our pain. Oil is big business, that is all it is, OPEC is in business to make money just like any other company, it is the U.S. that has made oil a security issue, not the Saudis not China. It’s way past time to stop blaming the rest of the world for our problems, the enemy is us . Poor planning, lack of progress, and a failure to recognize that we need to diversify both our supplies of oil and our energy sources is what got us in the mess we are in around the world and if we don’t pull our heads out and begin to act the situation will get much worse.

    • theotherrhalf

      WE have no energy plan because the big oil moguls managed to shut down the clean energy/solar plans that we do have.

      T Boone Pickens, had the guts to foresee problems with oil production and acquisition and promote clean energy with wind power. Oh and I think he is a republican.
      My idea is to invest heavily in hemp and plant based sources of energy. And no you can’t smoke it. The seeds are high in omega 3′s. Which humans need because the oceans have been trashed and need time to hopefully recover. What you can do with hemp nearly unlimited, kind of like the peanut. Not to mention it doesn’t use up our water like corn, or soy. It doesn’t need pesticides (made from oil) that run down into the aquifers. It would support the little guy farmers.

      But I’m sure you will just call me a commie liberal capitalist because I think we should use our dollar here at home for to create an alternative to petrol. What you should be doing is saying how can we fix the problem we are in. How can we create our own jobs? What makes things fair for the little guy, who happen to be on both sides of the aisle.

      So how many coal miners are liberals? not many! Do they have unions? of course they do. Yet, it is those same republicans who cry foul, unions are bad for us. Please.

      You really want to ruin thousands and thousands of acres of beautiful landscape. running an oil pipeline through the country? Ruining water, and air. BP, EM have destroyed pristine areas because of oil. Pipeline XL, it is the AMERICAN thing to do? Not

      The true AMERICAN thing to do would be to find a way to create energy for our country, that does not sh*t on it at the same time.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Pipeline? Beautiful land? The Alaska pipeline/ animal hoax is well documented. The animals don’t care. As for the beautiful land….. Would you rather be a slave to muslim countries or an independent Amerian?

        • eddie47d

          So Aix is now talking to animals and knows for a fact that they don’t care.MY God it just gets better!

          • Patriot II

            Throwing stones again eddie?

          • JeffH

            Patriot II, you’re right…for a man(?) who speaks as if everything he says is a fact…he sure gets hypocritical doesn’t he?

            To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.
            A. B Alcott

        • eddie47d

          That does fit you to the T Jeff. Thanks for the quote.

      • Jibbs

        Every part of a hemp plant is useable, but it would put cotton growers out of business. Hemp jeans last about three times as long as cotton jeans.

        • S.C. Murf

          Jibbs, that only means I would be naked from the waist down after about 2 packs of zig-zags HAHAHAHAHA

          up the hill
          airborne

  • D-DOG-999

    I don’t many people have grasped the REAL truth about BHO’s REAL MISSION. It is to dissect Capitalism. He is destroying small businesses,over regulating big businesses, destroying the value of our dollar in addition to bankrupting our country with overspending on phony jobs bills and a government controlled health care plan. It seems obvious to me that his “political plan” during the coming year is to “feed the fires” of civil unrest. If everything goes according to his plan, the coming elections can be suspended due to massive civil unrest throughout the country. The Left is committed to cosponsoring of “proxy groups” that will lead to this unrest. They are doing this because they have no chance of winning the presidency or any congessional seats in the coming election.

    • Patriot II

      D-DOG-999 I agree with everthing you said.

      • F86

        Which means it is absolute B.S.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          Why are you on this site? Your comments are not supported by any factual information, therefore, they are not worth reading. They are only taking up space.

          • Aix Sponsa

            He is fulfilling his mandate. To stir up controversy and increase the comment volume.

          • eddie47d

            There is no truth to what DOG said so that makes it a pile of BS. Now do you comprehend?

          • JeffH

            eddie, for you to ask that question as someone who suffers with a total lack of comprehension…

            To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.
            A. B Alcott

          • eddie47d

            Silly Jeff again…who else!

          • Karolyn

            How many comments stated on this site on both sides of the fence are absolute FACT? Even much of the information that is cited is not necessarily provable. I know that often when I post a link, it is automatically discarded because it comes from a non-conservative or libertarian site. No one can prove what is in Obama’s or anyone else’s mind, but everybody thinks they know.

        • Jibbs

          Sometimes you speak many words, sometimes few, yet you say nothing at all. Idiot……….TROLL ALERT!

  • Al

    Doctor Sarvis, you sound like a confirmed socialist. The POTUS is Muslim oriented, or the things that are going on against the religious position of this country would be under attack. There is an old saying, “If you want to get out of a hole, you first stop digging”. He has been throwing mud, (Money) at the wall hoping it would stick. That is an educated factor of being taught to react and not analyze. Oil here would reduce money flow away from this country.
    It would increase the job position and increase the flow of money here in the states. If money doesn’t move, or stay in an area, it doesn’t have a multplying effect. The theft of the coffers of this country, and the adartion of the socialist party agenda is the sickness that causes a country to die from with in. Too many servicemen fought against the socialist regimes of this worrld so that you could have the oportunity to spout off ahout something that you have n o basis of truth to support it. Liberal crap got us into this by reducing the work ethic of this country. I don’t know of any inductry that is totally squeaky clean, but the benefits out way you castigating the oil fraking methods. Your mind set also is in line with the greenies, who have been convoluting science so fulfill a faulty agenda that does not use the weighted measure of scientific analysis.

    A. Mengesw, 1SG US Army Ret.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I will ask you as well; just how many gallons of gas does the life of an American soldier buy you?

      • Marco

        Your idiot equation of X gallons gas = Y soldier lives, makes no sense whatsoever. As much as your liberal little brain would love to believe, we are not fighting for oil, we are fighting the terrorists on their home field so that they have limited capability to bring their terror to our soil! Do you think we would’ve found Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein without US military presence in the Mid-East? How many thousands of lives did that save by taking these and other leaders of terror and death. Get a clue!My son is fighting so that clueless fools like you can say moronic things like that! I suppose we detonated our own Trade Towers as well, huh?

        • eddie47d

          If we wern’t so involved in the Middle East(meddling) then there may not have been a Bin Laden or the terrorist problem.

          • Karolyn

            Right!

    • F86

      You know of the oil business do you? It’s evident that none of you do, and John Myers lied to you in his story.

      • JeffH

        F86, it’s easy for you to call Myers a liar…but can you back it up with any real facts, not just ridicule and name callin? You’ve failed up to this point so I’d say it’s time to either “put up or shut up”! That’s if you want some credibility.

        • Jibbs

          Just like 47d, F86 will never provide a link to his ill gotten information, when in fact we all know that both of them get their info. from the government talking heads and the msm.

          BTW F86, so you know about oil business, eh. I think you know more about bullsh!t than oil.

          • JeffH

            :)

        • eddie47d

          I don’t “steal” other peoples information like Jeff does and claim it’s mine. Get out and read more Jibbs then you may be able to produce something from your own mind.That is called thinking and not depending on others to think for me. By the way Jibbs I haven’t watched MSN for about 10 months since you want to be so nosey.

          • JeffH

            :) ROFLMAO&PMP! Gettin’ a bit ensitive and touchy are we? LMAO!

            Ignorance is a voluntary misfortune.
            -Nicholas Ling

          • eddie47d

            …and I thought your momma dropped you on your head.

          • Jibbs

            I never mentioned MSN, I said MSM…put your glasses on and use the bottom lense.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Unfortunately, Obama knows exactly what he is doing, and the negative effect it will have on our quasi capitalist system. I told people this in May of 1998 after reading “The Obamanation” by Jerome R. Chorsi. If, you have not read it, I suggest you get a copy now and read it as soon as possible.

    • theotherrhalf

      Think its funny you call it socialism when clearly it is despotism.

      99.9 % of control, money, political views, go to the .1% They use their money to keep politicians arguing. They pay both sides of the fence, as “insurance”. They keep both parties arguing over issues that should be non issues.

      You just happen to bring religion into the mix, which is stupid. Money is .1%’s religion, they’ve been using religion to get what they want for centuries.

      Persecution by the church for the church officials who get paid to keep their minions inline.

      Jesus, A poor, hippie, who was probably manic depressive or schizophrenic (he heard voices you know), more than likely used opium poppy and marijuana that grew freely in the area. He fed people. He paid taxes. He fished without a license and stole wheat from a farmers field. He healed people that didn’t have health insurance. He created a disturbance. What a socialist loser he was!

      • S.C. Murf

        And on the day of judgement I will stand in judgement against you, and you will be no more for eternity, what a great day that will be

        up the hill
        airborne

        • eddie47d

          Who says you are going to heaven on judgement day? God may have other plans for you also. He may not like some of those slanderous remarks that you make about other people. So He will be the Judge of that.

          • JeffH

            …bet he doesn’t take to kindly to “pathalogical liars” like you either…

          • eddie47d

            Only if it were true ..Only if it were true Jeff. Lying about others is your specialty so learn to live with it troll Meister!

          • JeffH

            eddie, I can see that you can’t handle the heat and have lowered yourself even farther down in the gutter.

            The reason there’s so much ignorance is that those who have it are so eager to share it.
            -Frank A. Clark

          • eddie47d

            Then why are you sharing it with us all??

        • eddie47d

          Your the majority liar today Jeff so are you speaking for yourself.

          • JeffH

            eddie…

            Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
            Mark Twain

          • JeffH

            eddie, I’ve been exposing you as a liar, as well as others here have been doing the same, by listing your lies. So why don’t you present something that supports your calling me a liar…to say it just because you can is called “free speach” and in no way makes it fact…to prove it is something you’ve NEVER DONE!

          • eddie47d

            Your pathetic Jeff and I doubt if anyone wants to listen to your antics. You printed nothing because it is just you calling me a liar or me calling you a liar. Be brave and print the WHOLE comments and then let others do the judging. You’re like a sneaky prosecutor who leaves out evidence and your attempt is really lame.

          • JeffH

            WHAT? ME worry! :)

            C’mon eddie, admit it…if you had a leg to stand on you would…

            Like my pappy always said…excuses are for losers! You and Obama are like two peas in a pod…excuses, excuse!

          • eddie47d

            You know what they say about those who play dirty and you certainly need a bath. Make sure you run that rag through those ears too.

  • Krusty Clown

    Impeach Obama and jail the rest of the Globalists within the government. continue with the pipeline construction and next November elect Ron Paul to end the Fed, anything short of that will surely be the end of the USA as a free nation. Many have woken up to reality and hopefully the stubborn majority who have not pull their heads out of Obamas lying not white ash. God isnt going to help you out of this one, try being real men and do the right thing, dont muck it up for the rest of us.

  • Old Henry

    Create “118,000 indirect jobs in the United States”?
    That figure alone will spure Little Barry to work feverishly to block all progress in Alberta!
    “What America needs is for Washington to open offshore drilling as well as domestic oil and gas exploration in the arctic. Such programs would create jobs and allow us to finally tell the Arabs to choke on their oil.”
    That would be totally counter-productive to Little Barry’s and the Democrap’s goals, so it will not happen. They, as the Saudi’s, believe the United States is evil and must have its come-pence.

    It remains to be seen whether the American people will wake up in November 2012.

    It is sad that we have to wait until November 2012 to remove this communist foreign-national Muslim from OUR White House. However, when you have a complicit Congress…..

  • robert shrugged.

    as long as you have liberals, socialists, marxists, and communists in our house, senate, and presidency we will be subserviant to soudi arabia and middle east oil. we have 2 mega oil fields and our liar and chief will not let us drill or explore because he loves anything that is against america. he wants us to be a third world country. if you vote for him that is what you will get and you will deserve what you get. I f0r on will keep my power dry and my avenues open.

  • s c

    Good article, Mr. Myers. I’ve been convinced for about three years that the behavior/mentality of the current prez is pathological. I learned long ago that FDR did America a favor when he admitted that in politics ‘Nothing happens by accident.’
    Ergo, the fact that we have a certain prez in the W H is not an accident. It was carefully planned. Thanks for NOTHING, planners.
    We are known by the company we keep, and Oworshipme is finally having to admit that there are many, many people in America who will never like him. He’s the living embodiment of the wrong guy at the wrong time representing the wrong interests. I won’t waste my time trying to fathom his religious preference.
    His ‘friends’ amount to an indictment of his administration. His followers, slaves that they are, might as well start wearing their chains.
    I do have to wonder, though. How long will it take for them to realize that they’re not wearing Halloween costumes or designer jewelry.

  • Clint

    Seems to me that this is an important step that the oligarchy want implemented to futher establish a North American Union between Canada ,United States and Mexico. Pretty soon a (Super Highway) and then probably the (Amero) will follow in its footsteps. Blaming our problems solely on the current President and Saudi Arabia is to ignore the overall scheme that is being orchestrated from behind the scenes on a global scale.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    John again your ties to the oil industry are blinding you to facts
    70% of the earth is covered with water
    97.5 % of that is salt water that leaves 2.5% fresh water of that only 1% is accessible to humans.
    The Keystone pipeline will travel through the Sandhill wetlands ecosystem and the Ogallala Aquifer(worlds largest fresh water reserve).Believe that with the track record of big oil the protection of the little bit of fresh water there is would be in order.
    As for Canada recovering quicker than the US there are only 32,623,490 Canadians compared to 312,407,342 Americans and there Corporations were not moving there companies out of there country for the sake of profits

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Enlightened people knew as far back as 1960 that we were at a competitive disadvantage with the rest of the world, because of unions and Government interference in the free market. You obviously are not enlightened. It is sad that most Americans are as ignorant ad you.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        The US developed the first Photo voltaic cell in 1954.The start of real research started in the 1980 when the funding of what was known at that as the Solar Energy Research Institute was at it’s heights level 124 million dollars.A year long study concluded that 28% of the countries energy needs could be attained by 2000.The study was killed by the administration in office at that time but not before it was published in the Congressional Record. The following years funding was cut the tax credit for solar energy were stopped.The US was the country to go to for alternative energy and we can again be there

        • 45caliber

          There is a solar power plant in AZ. It feeds one of the reservations there. The customers pay about a hundred a month for the power.

          BUT … without government subsaties, it would be shut down.

          A normal electric plant, anywhere, produces power and sells it. The price they charge provides reinbursement for all new plants, pays for maintenance on the existing plants, and provides a profit to the investors. The solar power plant, according to one of the engineers who retired there, has massive amounts of maintenance costs. So much so that if the customers simply paid the maintenance costs, according to him, the cost to the customer would be over $15,000 a month for electical energy. So you and I pay for those maintenance costs with taxes to produce “cheap” energy.

          Now tell me, would you be willing to pay that much for energy? I certainly can’t!

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            “The solar power plant, according to one of the engineers who retired there, has massive amounts of maintenance costs” What maintenance?The panels sit in the sun and have no moving parts that I know of.The USMC is using Solar in Afghanistan and they have no issues with maintenance

          • 45caliber

            They don’t last very long either. And there are a LOT of them.

      • eddie47d

        Great comment SGT. They are indeed ignorant about the Ogallala aquifer and could care less. Sadly this aquifer is being depleted and the farmers in Eastern Colorado now have to fight even harder for water. They(Keystone) think about what they will financially gain instead about how much will be lost in the process. It’s always that a little damage has been done so what is a little more in their quest for pipeline dreams. Think about the damage to the Yellowstone River this year and the Kalamazoo River and they think they have all the answers.

    • Karolyn

      We CAN live without oil. We CANNOT live without water.
      http://www.worldwatercouncil.org/index.php?id=25

      • Patriot II

        Karolyn.

        I am a Christian.. Christianity is a “Belief” or “Faith” NOT a Religion. That is a fact that all Christians will tell you.

        Religion is man made up rules and man made organizations that are formed around a Belief, or Faith. For example a misnomer is to say the Catholic Faith. The Faith of Catholics is Christianity. Christianity is not a faith of Catholicism, although it is the Faith OF Catholics who abide by the rules of the Catholic Church.

        Most people who are not Christians think your way, I used to and I was raised Catholic. But I was not a Christian until I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Personal Savior. There is no reason to have a religion that tells me to do so; it is personal between Jesus and me.

        Look into it, research it, go to a Pastor or a priest, or even a Rabbi and ask him or her to explain it to you.

        • Karolyn

          Religion is not simple to define. Christianity is a religion, as is Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, etc. There is the dictionary definition of religion, one of which is “Recognition on the part of humans of some higherunseen power as having control of one’s destiny and as being entitled to obedience, reverence, and worship; the general mmental and moral attitude resulting from this belief, with reference to its effect upon the individual or the community; personal or general acceptance of this feeling as a standard of spiritual and practical life.” Another is “A system of thoughts, feelings, and actions that is shared by a group and that gives the members of that group an object of devotion; a code of behavior by which an individual may judge the personal and social consequences of his actions; and a frame of reference by which an individual mayrelate himself to the group and to the universe…..” I used to think that each denomination was a religion until I took a class in World Religions. Under Christianity are different churches/denominations that are all Christian.

          • Patriot II

            My dear Karolyn nice try…

            If you were a Christian you would understand what I am saying all Christians do. I don’t care what the dictionary says; the Bible is the authority not the Dictionary. Jesus rejected religion, and if you read it, you know rather than simply regurgitation what a secular Dictionary says written by Secular Generalists, to please a generalist population.

          • Karolyn

            Patriot – All Christians believe in the Bible, do they not? Cetholics, Protestants, Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, etc. all believe they are Christian, no? This is the worldwide acceptance of the term Christian. I know what you’re getting at, but you try to tell a Presbyterian he’s not Christian, and I think you’ll get an argument. The two references I made are but a minute portion of any definitions of religion that have been formulated.

          • Karolyn

            And, BTW, I WAS a Christian for a large portion of my life.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–So what happened? What made you change your mind? Just curious.

          • Jibbs

            List of Christian denominationsFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
            (November 2009)

            List of Christian denominations (or Denominations self-identified as Christian) ordered by historical and doctrinal relationships. (See also: Christianity; Christian denominations; List of Christian denominations by number of members). Also, some groups included do not consider themselves a denomination (e.g., the Catholic Church considers itself the one true Church, and as pre-denominational). Regarding the use of the word “church,” the Catholic Church does not consider any groups or denominations to be true “churches” unless they have maintained apostolic succession and observe the seven sacraments (by this definition, the Eastern Orthodox churches are, for the most part, the only other Christian groupings considered by the Catholic Church to be true “churches”).[1]

            Some groups are large (e.g. Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans or Baptists), while others are just a few small churches, and in most cases the relative size is not evident in this list. Also, modern movements such as Fundamentalist Christianity, Pietism, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism and the Holiness movement sometimes cross denominational lines, or in some cases create new denominations out of two or more continuing groups, (as is the case for many United and uniting churches, for example). Such subtleties and complexities are not clearly depicted here. Additionally, some groups viewed by non-adherents as denominational actively resist being called a “denomination” and do not have any formal denominational structure, authority, or record-keeping beyond the local congregation; several groups within Restoration Movement fall into this category.

            Note: This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. As there are reported to be approximately 38,000 Christian denominations,[2] many of which cannot be verified to be significant, only those denominations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.
            Note: Between denominations, theologians, and comparative religionists there are considerable disagreements about which groups can be properly called Christian, disagreements arising primarily from doctrinal differences between groups. For the purpose of simplicity, this list is intended to reflect the self-understanding of each denomination. Explanations of different opinions concerning their status as Christian denominations can be found at their respective articles.
            Note: There is no official recognition in most parts of the world for religious bodies, and there is no official clearinghouse which could determine the status or respectability of religious bodies. Often there is considerable disagreement between various churches about whether other churches should be labeled with pejorative terms such as “cult”, or about whether this or that group enjoys some measure of respectability. Such considerations often vary from place to place, where one religious group may enjoy majority status in one region, but be widely regarded as a “dangerous cult” in another part of the world. Inclusion on this list does not indicate any judgment about the size, importance, or character of a group or its members.

  • Jeffrey A. Williams

    Americans are going to sooner or later face the fact that we cannot afford to continue or dependance on fossil fuels for the majority of our energy needs or transportation needs. That said, as a nation we also are going to have to ramp down the use of fossil fuels and replace that energy and transportation dependency with other alternatives and conservation. As a fiscal and resource conservative I know that this country can yet again become energy independent while at the same time reducing our use significantly on fossil fuels as well as export that energy and product(s) to our trading partners.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Why is that? If there was an affordable alternative to fossil fuels, there would be a rush of investments. Fossil fuels are being created every hour of every day somewhere under the earths surface. Why on earth would you choose not to use them? If you care to disprove my contentions, I welcome your proof with an open mind.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        “Fossil fuels are being created every hour of every day somewhere under the earths surface” Who did you come up with this statement?

        • Jibbs

          “Fossil fuels are being created every hour of every day somewhere under the earths surface” Who did you come up with this statement?

          Put the bong down, open a book and due some research, this is not rocket science. Did you think that because we drill for oil, that earth stopped producing it. It’s just like the ocean waves or the tide’s, they never stop.

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            Sure more oil is made every day and when it rains that’s new water also

          • eddie47d

            Jibbs has bought the farm. What he says is only partially true. I suppose when a gold mine is abandoned there is still gold in it. NOT. They usually have to look somewhere else and the same with oil.

          • Jibbs

            SMSgt Z retired Nam 68 says:
            October 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm
            Sure more oil is made every day and when it rains that’s new water also

            eddie47d says:
            October 12, 2011 at 4:53 pm
            Jibbs has bought the farm. What he says is only partially true. I suppose when a gold mine is abandoned there is still gold in it. NOT. They usually have to look somewhere else and the same with oil.

            ———————————————————————

            Sorry, maybe it is rocket science for you two. And once again, no links. Keep up the good work boys!
            Between the two of you, there’s almost half a guy.

    • 45caliber

      Jeffrey:

      We ALL agree that we can’t continue to depend upon oil over a long period. We need some alternate energy source. BUT … none of these alternate sources are working. You can’t simply stop using oil when there is nothing to take its place.

      For instance: Hydro power has peaked. We’ve run out of places to put hyrdo-electric plants. Solar power takes massive amounts of land that is needed for somethng else. So does wind power. And if you try to place the wind generators in the ocean, someone will object because it ruins their view of the sea. Hydrogen generation sounds good – except that it requires as much power to create hydrogen as you get when you burn it. Nuclear power gets too many people upset. So what is left to use? Ethonal requires massive amounts of water, which we also need, and provides very little more energy than is required to make it.

      As soon as you can find me a source that can be cheaply made, is plentiful, and can supply our needs, I’ll be glad to support it. But shutting off oil BEFORE we get that source is not only foolish, it can be fatal. So get busy! Find us that source! Until then, let us use the oil.

      • eddie47d

        No one is shutting off oil…. NO ONE!

        • JeffH

          …another brilliant comment…

          com·pre·hend [ kòmprə hénd ]
          1.understand: to grasp the meaning or nature of something
          2.include something: to include something as a part of a larger whole

          • eddie47d

            Playing stupid Jeff or does it come natural?

          • JeffH

            …another brilliant comeback…you’re amazingly brilliant you know!

  • Marlene

    Mr. Myers and those of you who wrote reasonable solutions to the issues: YOU don’t get that Obama DOES get it! You keep lamenting that he is not a leader, doesn’t know what’s going on. You keep listing and trying to explain all the things he could do. Well, get this. Right now Obama is having a ball! He is at the biggest party of his life! He’s the President, for a specified period of time (the only part of the Constitution he apparently likes.)

    His ilk, supported by HIS biggest supporters (leftist “students,” unions, Democrats, media, Hollywood, activist offshoots of ACORN) are staging a semi-global community-organizing activity. Bring down the rich! More taxes! A global tax which will go to …where? Them? How naive!

    Note the spending in the alleged JOBS bill. Unions (teachers, police, fire, construction, infrastructure), Democrat bankers (infrastructure bank), Democrats in general (more young voters and more young people hitting the streets for them, with tax dollars to pay them), unemployed youth who can be used in this Democrat get out the vote effort (also paid with tax dollars from JOBS), liberal media (more stories, more advertising from those horrible rich corporations), Middle East oil moguls (any “Occupy Riyadh” activity yet?) and his Hollywood buddies. Hollywood (except for a few much-maligned conservative actors and producers) has loved anyone who hates America — they loved the Soviet Union, Cuba, Mao, Che, the guys waving Mexican flags in downtown LA.

    Obama is doing what he does best and what he loves — creating chaos. Neither he nor anyone in his circle is going to do anything to bring America back to its greatness. From breaking the economy to breaking our will, he is doing everything he can to, well, break us. Let’s stop lamenting and trying to educate him. Let’s just STOP him! He and all those who think like him need to be frozen out of any positions, elected and otherwise, for America to be America. Their “laws,” regulations, and intimidations need to be completely defanged and made powerless. And, hopefully, once Congress gets to the bottom of “Fast and Furious” and other gun running, and government-backed loans to “green” companies, a few of them will even reside in Leavenworth.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Ditto that, Marlene. Great post!!!!

  • HBWOW

    Obama, Muslim or Christian, is a liar and socialist. His pre election speech was clean up and reduce government and work to get the ecomony back on track. He has stifled all efforts for
    creation of private sector jobs and continues to spend money that we
    don’t have, the reverse of what we need. The man has had zero management experience and has hired a number of the same for his staff, many of which are fortunately gone BUT RESPONSIBILITY STARTS AT THE TOP !!!!!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Totalitarian Socialist is more appropriate.

  • AJ

    “The bigger evil: the House of Saud.” If I remember correctly the Bush family was deeply indebted to this group. Maybe the group says play the game our way or you and your families will lose their heads. I don’t remember any previous administrations voting to drill here at home? Maybe they own our lackey Potus’s. I also suggest you ask yourself this when you vote next year: Is Obama a President that the United States can afford? I also say ask yourself this, “Can the United States afford a Mitt Romney? A Herman Cain? A Rick Perry? If you think any of these candidates will lead us away from the dependency on the House of Saud you are brainwashed by the mainstream media. As a poster eairlier said, “The only truth that I can conceive regarding oil is that it controls our lives and that alot of people make boat loads of money from it.” You got that right. And that boat loads of money can buy a lot of polititians and presidents. My suggestion vote in someone who cannot be bought.

    • amagi

      Only two come to mind: Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. The latter used
      his veto pen 750 times and left New Mexico with a surplus. He wants
      to slash the U.S. budget 42%. Guess that makes him an enemy of the
      bureauracy, but that is what is needed to get the country back on
      track.

      • eddie47d

        Bill Richardson is a Democrat Governor of NM and is leaving Dec 1 and the state has a surplus. So that means we should nominate a Democrat.Now Gary Johnson left office when the economy was good so who is really the better Governor? The one who does well during a good economy or the one who pulls through when the economy is bad.

        • Jibbs

          Thats like apples to oranges, you get smarter all the time.
          Is it partly sunny or mostly cloudy, better yet, did the chicken or the egg come first?

  • http://www,pappymart.com John Hanna

    People always insult science fiction by including fantasy in that genre. Spells and poofs should be included under religion.
    But we are making that mistake that the president is screwing up – he isn’t. We are just sticking with the hope that he is trying to do the best for this country – he isn’t.
    That’s why he is always giving massive money to cops and teachers which seems to be good for Americans but – it isn’t. Further with his federal and state infusions the locals can’t even adjust their own finances. Until you can get the local big receivers to adjust their ways well good luck with that

  • robert shrugged.

    remember the teachers have the minds of the children in their hands. they are mostly leftists, and you expect to get locical students to graduate and lead this country? the cops are trained to be like puppy dogs. they do what they are told regardless of the laws and the constitution. when will you wake up and understand that we are being turned into a mindless mass of humanity that like cows follow the leaders to slaughter. if we do not wake up now it is too late to do anything later, you will be zombies.

    • mark

      Yeah American cops are puppy dogs. Remember those puppy dogs cuddling it up with Rodney King? Great guys all of them. Thank God that all-white jury let them off. King was the real brutalizer. Just like those Jews in the death camps. They were the aggressors – not the poor SS guards. Those guards were as gentle as puppies. But then those liberal bleeding hearts at Nuremberg had them all executed. Why? The SS and the Gestapo were the real victims! …. Boy, we got some real beauties on this site.

  • http://httpwwwaol.com ARMY/RET

    POUND SAND OBAMA

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    He did say that he was going to change America. But no one bothered to ask him what he was going to change it into.

  • Lolli

    I have lived off the grid for over 17 years. It was expensive for the equipment when I first installed my solar system and wind turbine but it is now quite reasonable (the inverter cost us over $5000 but now goes for $1800). My batteries last 10 years so the 4 to 5 years is way off. Also, don’t find any dead birds around my wind turbine and as I live in Northern California and see the Altamont Pass wind field, I don’t see any dead birds piled up around those turbines either. Also, I have everything in my home that “on grid” homes have but no power bill. You do become aware of wasting power, like leaving tv’s and cable boxes on power, so being independent actually helps with conservation of power.

    • 45caliber

      I’m surprised the local electrical company hasn’t turned you into the state for running your own electric business without a license.

      • eddie47d

        You wouldn’t have said that unless you didn’t really believe that an individual should have control over their own life.

  • Debra

    Back to eddie47d, some enlightenment is in order:
    Mules are analytical thinkers– I know, being an equine professional who trains and works with mules on a regular basis. I can just see my big mule Woodrow F. Call “Woody” right now weighing in on this oil thing. “Well,” he would reason. “Why are you buying oil from your enemies and making them rich when you could be getting your own oil in your own pasture and enriching your own barn. Duh!” Mules are like that– practical, pragmatic and very intelligent animals. Why folks don’t get along with them readily. Most mules are much smarter than the people who deal with ‘em. Gee– just like we conservatives and the illogical liberals who constantly obfusticate common sense facts.

    • eddie47d

      Is that all you got? It was Conservatives who got us involved in the Middle East and originally wasn’t a bad deal but they kept us there and made us even more dependent on their oil. In the early days there was more than enough oil in Texas but we became wasteful in our ways so that continued our dependency on foreign oil. So you can deny those common sense facts all you want. Now those same Conservatives are desperately trying to shut down alternatives so we will continue to be dependent on foreign oil. I can grasp the facts so how about you?

      • JeffH

        …yet another eddie lie…”Now those same Conservatives are desperately trying to shut down alternatives so we will continue to be dependent on foreign oil. I can grasp the facts so how about you?”

        Grasp this FACT eddie…

        Nope! The conservatives and any other normal thinking individual would like to get government/enviro-extremism and their cronies out of the way and let the free market capitalists discover/create un-forced viable environmenly friendly alternative energy sources and allow the consumers to then make their own choices.

        • bob wire

          In the early W Bush years when the conservatives had the 1st chair, majority of the house and Senate I wonder why they didn’t address all of these problems we face today?

          It’s my opinion that they believe that they did. But as a matter of fact they planted the seeds of today’s harvest. Today, ~ they attempt to blame the pickers for a bad harvest from the seeds their sowed.

          I’m not buying their story. ~ not for one minute.

          • JeffH

            bw…did you ever stop to think that just maybe Bush & Co. weren’t conservatives or that conservatives may have never controlled any part of government in the last 200+ years? I have!

      • eddie47d

        If Jeff got rid of the bull there would be nothing left of him!

        • JeffH

          Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.
          Laurence J. Peter

          • eddie47d

            Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Atta boy Jeff show more of your silliness and you’ll get the same back.

          • bob wire

            “Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.
            Laurence J. Peter”

            Now that’s an interesting quote. Profound but only in the sense that it makes little. But then it makes the only sense that ignorance offers.

            That’s like the “Belt of a thousand stitches” Japanese mothers would make by hand for their sons to protect them from harm during battle. But only in a way,~ for the mothers was not ignorant but loving and hopeful. It was worn as a testament to a mothers love and to offer comfort to the heart of a warrior as a protective force.

            Ignorance would be best describe as my little nephew coming home from school with a note from his teacher which read; “Please don not allow Max to wear his “Incredible Hulk” underwear to school anymore as he seems to enjoy beating up his fellow classmates when he does.”

        • http://deleted Claire

          How about this one? “If I were to kick the crap out of you, all that would be left is a hat and a pair of shoes.” Oldie but goodie. I remember my Grandpa saying it.

    • S.C. Murf

      Debra, good post I’ve read where they are very smart animals. BUT fast eddie won’t get it cause he’s not a mule, he’s a jacka$$

      up the hill
      airborne

      • eddie47d

        Apparently you have been kicked in the head by a Jackazz!

      • Jibbs

        Bravo, woohooo, yee haaaw….yippiokiay!!! eddie and buddy his oblunder……….lol, hehehehe, couple of jackazzs

  • FreedomFighter

    Policy from the top? More proof Obama sides with Islam:

    American mosques are preaching jihad in the U.S. in possible violation of their tax-exempt status and the IRS is letting it happen, according to experts on the issue.

    Read more: Analysts: IRS turns blind eye to mosques preaching jihad http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=354293#ixzz1aaLoeYxk

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Dave

    I thought we had a Energy policy, they set it up behind closed doors during Bush’s terms. We may never know what that did to set up the cronies he rubbed greenbacks with. Saudis, Libyans, OPEC and all the Texas refineries and other partners in oil crimes. That policy is still standing in some form and will be difficult to change. Way too much power to be given to so few. THey will continue to control our “Energy Lifestyle” the way they want us to.

    But we should really take on anything that smacks of “LEFT” , eliminate them, then why would we even have to consider elections if we eliminate the “opposite opinion”. Somebody admitted here that the LEFT were in the majority, slim the way he stated it. So Democracy be damned let the minority rule .

    It is really hard to see the light when the sand you have your head buried in is gummed up with oil.

    John Boehner said it right from the beginning. “I will do anything I can to make Obama fail”. Real patriotic, that guy. No workable alternatives offered, no options to consider. Just say NO. Even when the “RIGHT” were considering the same proposals …..until “HE” was for it. Let’s just prevent forward movement while he’s here we don’t like him, Frak him.

    I’m an educated vet and I want everyone to take a deep breath, calm down, stop considering yourself as the only ones who matter.

    This economy really isn’t Obamas fault 100%. It took a long time to effect our lives and we became aware and will take even longer to repair the damage done. The longer the players work against each other the longer it will be.

  • 45caliber

    The libs in Hollywood believe that there are two things they MUST do to remain in the public eye (which means they get more jobs).

    First, they must have affairs and parties. The more affairs and parties the better, for someone will take pictures that go out in the news. If it wrecks a marriage, too bad.

    Second, they must have a “cause”. That cause must be something that will get them publicity (and free pictures) and it must be something the other people in Hollywood (read “libs”) agree with.

    The stop of oil from Canada is one of those.

    I doubt if any of them really care one way or the other about whether we get oil from Canada. It is simply a way for them to get more free publicity.

    • eddie47d

      Are you saying that Republicans don’t have affairs and parties or are you just adding an extra helping of sarcasm on your plate today? One thing for sure it may be better than the Republicans/Conservatives egging on NO JOBS in the last 3 years, (only to defeat Obama). The Republicans could be the NO SHAME Party with their theatrics also but Caliber wouldn’t notice that.The Keystone pipeline present many problems and many rewards.I guess we’ll see how it will pan out.

      • FreedomFighter

        Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up.–
        Brigham Young

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • 45caliber

        I’m talking Hollywood, not Washington.

  • JeffH

    Sign the Keystone Pipeline petition and stop the greens from continuing our dependence on foreign oil, killing jobs and our economy.
    http://www.fuelingjobs.com/

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    I’ve always found it peculiar that BO, as a reformed Muslim to Christianity, never had a fatwa placed on him. Isn’t that a death sentence to fundamentalist muslims to convert? Can you spell Manchurian Candidate?

  • carl hammel

    Obama is undoubtedly allied with the zionists.Did you hear his speech to the U.N.? Do you understand that our reliance on zionist central banks has cost the U.S. far more than oil ever will?

  • Mike

    The only country that really needed to be invaded after 9/11 was Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are one of the most repressive governments on earth, and are extremely intolerant of anything non-muslim. They treat their women little better than dogs, and sometimes worse.

    Why America remains allies with such a horrid nation is beyond me. If all we really care about is the oil, then lets simply invade the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, publicly behead their rulers, and TAKE the damn oil.

    Saudi Arabia and islam needs to go. Islam is an infection on our world. We need to provide the antibiotic for it. Why a lot of Americans delude themselves into believing islam is a religion of peace is another mystery to me. Islam is violent, repressive, xenophobic and ignorant.

    Until islam came along, the Middle East was one of the most enlightened places in the world. Now, all they know anything about is the koran.

    As I have said before, and will continue to say, islam is a “religion” of hate and intolerance, and needs to be abolished.

    • bob wire

      I’d gladly pay 5 dollars a gallon if the US would quite importing Saudia crude. I said that in 2004 and I say it now.

      • 45caliber

        We will have to pay that anyway if we stay on it much longer.

    • Karolyn

      I knew a woman whose daughter met a Saudi millionaire while she worked as an airline attendant, married him and ended up being treated pretty well.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Karolyn–this is going to honk you off, but I could and would never marry someone from a foreign country. I don’t care if he was a billionaire, there is not enough money in this world that would make me marry someone other than an American. And I married an American. I was raised in the backwoods country and I do not remember my Mother ever saying anything against marrying someone from another country. So this just happens to be my own fetish. Maybe it is my age but this is the way it is with me.

        • http://deleted Claire

          I do not intend to backpeddle, but one of my neighbors next door to me is from another country and she is absolutely adorable. She is my friend and I am happy to say she considers me her friend. I am thankful she lives next door to me. She would do anything for me, and I would do anything for her. I consider her to be a “true Christian.”

          • bob wire

            They just people, as good as and can be as nutty as Americans.

            We had a family of Indians that rented the house next door for many years.

            The old man had a cotton gin in India. Some 12 years they lived next door and were good neighbors and still are. One day I noticed the women placing candle on the bumper of their VW rabbit and saying some chants. ~ Seems it had got sick. They loved to come to Mother’s Thanksgiving Dinner. While they were vegetarians, there was plenty of mother’s special seasonal dishes to get them excited. Rice, white wine,jack cheese and jalapeno, fruit salad and whipped cream, bread dressing, hotrod green beans(terimic and oil), cinnamon carrots, toss salad, butter saute new potatoes, Texas A&M sweet corn,2 kinds of cucumber pickles, black and green olives,beets, onion, Breads, seasoned butters and cheeses. ~ and don’t forget the cranberry sauce!

            They loved Thanksgiving , Mama ! The Indians are coming!

            They moved to Los Vegas 10 years ago , the boys are now both doctors. They lived modestly and respectful lives.

          • http://deleted Claire

            bob wire–My neighbor is from South Korea. When they moved in a few years ago, she came over and introduced herself and told me she would be a good neighbor. I remember thinking at the time, why did she tell me that? Anyway, I told her I would be a good neighbor too and if she ever needed anything to let me know. We are good friends, she is a lot like my daughter. Very bubbly personality, a good honest person.

          • bob wire

            Hmm, I guess she wanted you to know up front, that it was her intentions to be a “good neighbor” and she really wanted to be one and have one.

            I’m glad it worked out for the both of you.

            Sometimes we are “blessed” with the people that comes into our lives that way ` and sometimes cursed.

        • Karolyn

          Claire – why would it “honk” me off? You are one person who posts on this site that I really respect, even though I might disagree with you sometimes. As far as marrying someone from another country, I take each person for who they are and never really thought about it one way or the other.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–Perhaps I am getting “used to” the name calling and disagreements on this site and am prepared to be “called out” on my posts. Paranoia? No. Reality.

    • mark

      Yeah, let’s invade Saudi Arabia. That’s a good idea. Get another war in the Middle East going. Al Qaeda needs a new recruiting boom. Another U.S. invasion should do the trick.

  • bob wire

    Nice picture of the Texas state bird Mr. Myer, I like the sky. The contrast between calm blue sky and few angry clouds gives it a feeling.

  • http://none RPaul or same ol’

    In my neck of the woods, there is a refinery trying to get built in South Dakota, the pipeline going through the Sandhills, and most are trying to stop them. NIMBY. What do these people want to power their homes, vehicles, workplaces with? Alt. energy is fine but it is years from being as cheap as oil,nat.gas,coal.I love a clean environment as anyone but c’mon, Not In My BackYard seems…I don’t know…selfish,stupid,both? I think the MSM has done a wonderful job of the dumbing down of America. These people against all this are smart, have money,etc. I just don’t get it. They’ll vote obama again as well. sign me very frustrated to the point of being…i don’t know what to call it. JeffH for Ron’s V.P. Eddie? cry uncle now, your out of your league.

    • 45caliber

      They are also going to miss out on jobs if they shut this down. Speaking from someone who lives near the largest industrial site in the US (and third largest in the world), it is possible to have this without ever having any problems at all.

  • DC/Tex

    “O”ne “B”ig “A”ss “M”istake “A”merica

    • 45caliber

      I like it! LOL!

    • bob wire

      Well I’m not convinced that it’s Obama that the problem but more the way many people have reacted to Obama certainly is a problem.

      While the end results is much the same I’m not permitting you to deffer guilt and blame to make you feel better about yourselves.

      You need to stand accountable for yourself and your actions. But rather then do that you are electing to exercise your right to decent. Which is fine, you can do that. I just wish the disingenuous rhetorical arbitration on the issues would cease and we could all agree that doing nothing is not construction for the nation.

      To hear tell it, Obama is everything! both very smart and dumb, Christan/non-Christan, American/nonAmerican, Black/non black, Evil/kind, maxist/comminist/socialist/fascist/. A man that want to change America and you hate the change but you want change too, change back to the horse and buggy day while enjoying the 21 Century.

      You want government out of your lives but install it in your neighbors lives. You want less taxes while Federal taxes are at their lowest point in years. You want small government but advocate large intrusive government. You want to champion personal freedoms while denying people to organize or have a final say about their bodies.

      You are a complex bunch of folks if you listen to yourselves. I’ve come to the conclusion that you are lying to yourselves about your motives and actually believe these lies,~ so lying to anyone else is no great stretch. You can do it with a straight face and have God on your side.

  • DC/Tex

    Drill Baby Drill

  • http://none RPaul or same ol’

    DC/Tex:Love it! Karolyn,you should see if you could go live with them,be neighbors or something. bet you’d love it. At least real Americans would be done with you.

  • Ann Wilson Kingsley

    It goes without saying that we need to open up all of the American oil that we possibly can for drilling. We also need to redefine acceptable vehicles for road use: That entails deregulating motor vehicles to include small gasoline-powered, as well as electric vehicles. Small vehicle regulation is part of the road block “protections” the federal government provides for citizens against their will. Give us freedom, not protection. Everything carries some risk: Let American citizens decide on an individual basis what risks are acceptable. Small vehicles need to be deregulated so that less-affluent people have transportation, instead of tax payers being levied for mass transit. The federal government is creating dependence in every way. Deregulate and allow citizens to solve transportation problems on their own. Capitalism works!

    However, on the matter of some Islamic laws and punishments, including terrorism, the West needs to move closer to Islam by refusing to accept immorality. We need to narrow the gap again instead of blaming. Terrorism is, in part, “the wages of sin”, the karma for rampant sexual immorality in the Western World. While death by stoning is extreme, people of the West need to look back a hundred years to ways of dealing with immorality

    In addition, there is a growing problem with sorcery, which is actually deadly. Sorcery is growing in the Western World exponentially, via Hinduism and radicalization of Hinduism by the Transcendental Meditation Movement. How do you think the Transcendental Meditation Movement can guarantee invincibility to a nation? How do you think they can promote themselves as an able end for terrorism? They use sorcery and have been using it against U.S. citizens for decades. Sorcery in the hands of these fallen angels (Nephilim) is extremely dangerous to our nation. Beheading Saroman-types/sorcerers is kind. Controlling sorcerers has been a problem for Muslims and is a major unspoken problem in India. It is an enormous growing problem in the West again, as it was prior to Hippocrates crack-down, beginning with use of the Hippocratic Oath. Beheading sends a strong message for a very difficult-to-control problem. Don’t knock everything the Muslims do out of hand.

    • mark

      Yeah, let’s stop sorcery in America. That’s a big problem in all our lives. And stoning people who are immoral. You betcha. Some really great ideas to put America back on her feet again. Wow.

    • Karolyn

      Are you for real? Do you even know what transcendental meditation is? Sorcery???? Beheadings??? Whoa!!!

  • Ronbo

    Is EVERYONE on this site a nutjob who just “invents” their facts?

    The more oil we burn, the less chance our civilization will survive. Are you ready for tornados in NYC and wildfires throughout Texas?

    They weren’t.

    This site seemst to thrive on ignorance and bigotry. No thanks.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Why visit this site if your are going to get upset.I enjoy there rantings.It give one true incite.I use to recommend they not for get to take there med’s and tagged them as shut-ins and mouth breathers.But the shut-in and mouth breathers became upset with me

  • robert shrugged.

    ronbo you no not understand realality. capitalism works. in the first 200years we had capitalism mostly in america, but in the early 1900s we started to have socialists popping up and trying many things to get government to help poor people. religious people were helping the poor back then and were doing a pretty good job. but people in government did not think that they were doing enough. so when the depression came along it was for a socialist yoyo named roosevelt decided to take from the haves to give to the have nots. when you give without control and make everything easy then what would you expect but people set on their rears and collect because it was deemed their right. then when the economy came back instead of stopping the welfare state and have people return to the work palce they decided to make themselves the dictators of everyones lives. when people can get welfare and not have to work for a living what do expect would happen. they created a seperate government over everyone to pay for their little fifdom. and politicians saw they could buy votes and that is why we are were we are. the bible says you should work for food. and that was Gods comand. enough said

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      You are correct the closing of the poor houses and the 40 hour work week really screwed up thing do forget slavery getting rid of that really made a mess of everything

      • mark

        Yeah, eliminating slavery that was a big mistake. Don’t forget the right of employers to shoot an employee dead with pistol to the head if he is not working fast enough. Getting rid of that right was a terrible idea, too. Maybe we can go back to those good ol’ days. Bring back real capitalism. Jefferson could never really enjoy his breakfast unless he could hear screaming from his lazy slaves being whipped for not working hard enough. Or his slave women screaming while he raped them. He kept the taxes low too. What more do you want from a leader?

        • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

          Do not forget chaining the emergency exit closed better your workers burned to death then have what at that time was fresh air

    • Karolyn

      “religious people were helping the poor back then and were doing a pretty good job.” Oh, really? I could not find anything to substantiate this. Can you?

      • http://deleted Claire

        I can remember my Mother saying: Never argue politics and religion.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        You are correct all religions help the poor as best as they can;there are just to many poor. The poor need to die quicker they do not pay any taxis so why do they exist?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Ever hear of St. Judes Hospital or Boy’s Town or Christian charities ?

        • libertytrain

          Mother Teresa did an ok job as well. St. Vincent DePaul Society, is another that comes to mind.

  • DaveH

    Here it comes. Another false flag event? Who knows? I wouldn’t put anything past Government anymore:
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/kessler-iran-saudi-israel/2011/10/11/id/414037?s=al&promo_code=D3D1-1

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Grab both ears and pull real hard

    • JeffH

      Yepper! I thought the same thing yesterday while Holder was making the announcement…

  • http://deleted Claire

    What about Perry’s affiliation with Hagee?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      I’d call that a very good reason to vote for him. He shows common sense.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Well, I won’t vote for Perry. Ever.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/obamas-islamic-alliance/?eiid&rmid=2011_10_12_PLA_P11254842&rrid=394993328 ConservativeMessianicKitty

    Now as far as obama is concerned, I have believed from day one he is out to destroy America. Look around everyone. We are losing jobs as fast as I have ever seen, inflation has gone up, debt has gone up, prices for EVERYTHING arr going up daily, I JUST found out my energy bill is going up 20%, these “family planning” clinics kill more babies through abortion than ANYTHING, obama is majorly messing with our health care and what happened to Capitalism and Free Market?!!! Its what our Country was built on. Read the Constitution. I Pledge of Allegiance…TO THE REPUBLIC…!” Need I continue? ALL these unions are good for nothing BUT to use its members. obama believes in God?! What happened to prayer in our schools BUT sharia law can be taught!! When all sharia law does is teach murder, suicide(martyrdom), discrimination against women, rape and marriage of young girls as young as eleven!! I apologize for getting upset. sharia law just makes me so sick and obama does too. I haven’t told everyone the half of everything.
    IF anyone does believe in their Messiah and Savior, Yeshua(Jesus in Hebrew) and that he was crucified for our sins, died, was buried(placed in a tomb) then defeated death and rose again and ascended to Heaven to sit at the Right Hand of His Father Almighty YHVH(God in Hebrew) from there They will judge with the Book of Life. ALSO if you truly love your Savior you’ll search His Hebrew roots and find that we must follow the Torah(first five books of Holy Scriptures.) Just search his Hebrew/Messianic roots Brothers and Sisters. I love you all through Yeshua.

    • Karolyn

      I love you too because we are all one.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        except for you, my dear, and your fellow liberal ilk. You live in an alternate dimension, where up is down and wrong is right.

        • bob wire

          And when was the last time that you was right about anything gunner?

          The world is not black and white, right or left. Even you would not enjoy such a world.

          So why talk of a world that doesn’t exist except for your convenience of discussion?

          This two dimensional world that you think you live in is just a construct of a simple mind.

          Accept the fact, that life is full of inconvenience, that cloudy skies and rainy day are all a part of Gods little day.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Bob, for some strange reason I’m normally right about most things. History has and will bear that out. When you live in shades of gray you can never make definative decisions about anything. Wrong is wrong and right is right and all the lame excuses won’t change that.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Except for you, my dear, and your fellow liberal travelers. You live in an alternate dimension, where up is down and wrong is right.

        • Karolyn

          Ah, gunner, would that you could understand. Fortunately, more and more people are “getting it” as time passes. Have a good and restful night.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            no darlin; it’s just that more people are buying into the dark side. belive me, I do understand.

  • Thinking About

    I do not have complaints against our neighbors to the north but to complain our current president is responsible for our current dependence on foreign oil sure is a stretch. Have you ever seem pictures of him holding hands with Princes, no. Did the bin Laden finance his family business? What is wrong in at least trying to develop alternative energy sources to supply our homes and business. Can’t never accomplished anything. If alternative sources was developed and sold the cost would go down as computer costs have greatly reduced. The money USA spends on oil production is very high, oil companies gets breaks to drill and just how much has thevfead in the middle costs us and still we run back and beg for more. Complain and blame, can’t and won’t, just how smart are we proving to the world.

  • Jay

    Here are excerpts from a reposted 2004 interview by a writer for the Chicago Sun Times on Obama and his faith:

    [CATHLEEN] FALSANI:
    What do you believe?

    OBAMA:
    I am a Christian.

    So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.

    … So, I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.

    FALSANI:
    Have you always been a Christian?

    OBAMA:
    I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian. [This is interesting... 4 years later he says his mother was agnostic and didn't formerly embrace Christianity as far as he knows].

    FALSANI:
    So you got yourself born again?

    OBAMA:
    Yeah, although I don’t, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I’m not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I’ve got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.

    I’m a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it’s best comes with a big dose of doubt. I’m suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.

    I think that, particularly as somebody who’s now in the public realm and is a student of what brings people together and what drives them apart, there’s an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty.

    FALSANI:
    Do you pray often?

    OBAMA:
    Uh, yeah, I guess I do.

    Its’ not formal, me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I’m constantly asking myself questions about what I’m doing, why am I doing it.

    FALSANI:
    Who’s Jesus to you?

    (He laughs nervously)

    OBAMA:
    Right.

    Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

    And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history. [Wow... so Jesus is a "wonderful teacher," a "historical figure" ... yet Christianity says Jesus Christ is very much more than that -- HE IS GOD.]

    FALSANI:
    Is Jesus someone who you feel you have a regular connection with now, a personal connection with in your life?

    OBAMA:
    Yeah. Yes. I think some of the things I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

    FALSANI:
    Do you think it’s wrong for people to want to know about a civic leader’s spirituality?

    OBAMA:
    I don’t’ think it’s wrong. I think that political leaders are subject to all sorts of vetting by the public, and this can be a component of that.

    I think that I am disturbed by, let me put it this way: I think there is an enormous danger on the part of public figures to rationalize or justify their actions by claiming God’s mandate.

    I think there is this tendency that I don’t think is healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them.

    FALSANI:
    The conversation stopper, when you say you’re a Christian and leave it at that.

    OBAMA:
    Where do you move forward with that?

    This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell. [Um... that's what the Word of GOD says, that's what Jesus explained to his disciples, that's what the apostles wrote under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.]

    FALSANI:
    You don’t believe that?

    OBAMA:
    I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.

    I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.

    That’s just not part of my religious makeup.

    Part of the reason I think it’s always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Oftentimes that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is. [So, he's saying he purposefully waters everything down so as not to offend anyone; but he also expresses again, that he does not know GOD, who indeed does have a place of eternal damnation for those who reject HIS Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth.]

    FALSANI:
    Do you believe in heaven?

    OBAMA:
    Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

    FALSANI:
    A place spiritually you go to after you die?

    OBAMA:
    What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.

    When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven. [Mr. Obama expresses that he knows nothing about heaven... although Jesus Christ of Nazareth explains the after life for those who believe in HIM and those who reject HIM in the Holy Bible].

    FALSANI:
    Do you believe in sin?

    OBAMA:
    Yes.

    FALSANI:
    What is sin?

    OBAMA:
    Being out of alignment with my values.

    FALSANI:
    What happens if you have sin in your life?

    OBAMA:
    I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.

    Review: Based on these two interviews, one from 2004 and one from just this year, Mr. Barack Obama is NOT a Christian. He denies that Jesus Christ is LORD; according to Obama, Jesus Christ was a “wonderful teacher” and a “historical figure.” He doesn’t believe that Jesus Christ is the only means of Salvation. Obama doesn’t believe that those who reject Jesus Christ go to hell. Mr. Obama expresses salvation through works and being “good” — the Holy Bible says we cannot earn Salvation, although we are rewarded for our works. But we cannot be considered a nominee, a candidate, if you will, for any kind of reward if we don’t attain the prerequisite — belief in Jesus Christ as LORD.

    Mr. Obama may be a good person, a nice person — but he is most certainly not a follower, believer in or friend of the LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

    http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/barack-obama-in-his-own-words-explains-that-he-is-not-a-christian/

    • bob wire

      And soo? You see fit to pass judgment Jay? and that make you what?

      Does everyone have to believe exactly like you ? To the letter of the word?

      I couldn’t pass you test either.

      I guess you know, you are practicing theology, your brand!

      You make a great argument for the need of separation of church and state.

  • Take Aim

    John Myers is in the GOP’s and Big Oil’s pocket. Do not believe a word this corporate (big oil) hack has to say about the energy business. I certainly do.

    • bob wire

      I don’t know if he is in their pocket or not at the moment. But yes, Bob admits that the oil patch has placed many meals before him as he is the son of the oil patch.

      It runs in families like that. Cattle,oil, orchards, chicken farming,hog farming, dairy farming, it gets in your blood early and stays there.

      I have four electricians in my family. While I hated working for Dad, I went into plumbing/ hvac which lead to Recovery and Reclaim that lead to facility support group. I’m too old to do hard work all day anymore, but I can sell it and see that it’s done well. I can work 5- 40 year old men to half to death. So I still have a place at the table.

      Mr. Myer now writes about the oil patch and related matters as I understand it. And yes, he has a bias.

  • Take Aim

    John Myers and the Wall Street Journal? Isn’t that Rupert (Media spy)
    Murdoch’s business. Isn’t Murdoch under FBI investigation in the US? The answer is yes to all, so why would John Myers defend him? He’s in this guy’s pocket.

  • robert shrugged.

    let us try capitalistic freemarket and cancel socialistic freebies to illegal alliens, welfare to women who have 2 or more children since they found out that unprotected sex causes babies , healthy men and women who refuse minimum wage jobs,.

  • robert shrugged.

    and i forgot to also mention illegal alliens on social security.

  • MAL

    PETROLEUM CAUSES CANCER – TAR SAND IS THE DIRTIEST AND MOST POLLUTING – SPILLS, FOOD CHAIN, ENVIRONMENT, CANCER, HOW MANY PIPELINES HAVE BROKEN SO FAR? Come into the 21st century with new, clean energy technology!

    • Barbosa

      Sooo I guess we’ll rely on clean energy, like green energy, sounds good. tell us something, will you have everything in check so that we can go to work, say in 6 months without the use of oil, don’t think so, will you take a flight or let alone drive to see your parents in Arizona when you live in Oregon, what food will you eat, other than what the farmers can produce which is not enough being that we have to many people to feed, the food is supplemented by huge cargon ships that bring in food sources, guess what: their engines run on fuel (oil) your car runs on fuel, the pavement that you drive on or ride your bike on is made with oil, production machines have to be greased, guess what, with oil products, so lets see Trains, I guess you can walk or ride your bike, Plains / Jets, I guess you can fly without them, Boats, I guess we’ll all starve using a convoy of row-boats to bring us the food to sustain our lives. What about the Hospitals that can’t chance an outage so they have back-up generators, Mal there is so much that you don’t understand, by the way, sugar is the latest in the cancer field, did you know this, there are so many things that cause cancer amongst dozens of deceases that hamper us all, do you now see the need for the use of oil products, alternative energy isn’t working well at all, and the government knows this.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      don’t eat it dummy.

  • ron

    The sad thing here is Myers who is an oilman himself and would greatly benefit from more drilling in the U.S. and would care if not one cent went to you and I set this whole debate up by simply using Obama and Islamic in the same sentence. The conversation went from oil to Obama’s religion just as he wanted. How can a man who is not a Christian tell us we cannot drill on our own land? Who does he think he is Ronald Reagan? Good luck on the religion angle guys, because by the way some of you express yourselves about this president (man) you are no better than the other Reich wing extremist.

  • karl

    who would you want for president.. a muslin or a mormon. i would take the mormon everytime.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      WOW; you hit the jackpot !!!!! You got both.

  • mike

    Wow you people are a bunch of nuts. Yes I know we just started buying oil from the middle east when Obama took office. I say this, if there was enough oil in the US I am sure Dubya and his pals would have drilled everywhere to make money from it.

    Keep religion, christ, ala whatever out of politics.

    How come Republicans claim to be Christian but follow selfish paths.
    Jesus would be a democrat, practicaly a socialist I dare say.

    Enjoy your day!

  • jopa

    Anyone with a half of a brain knows our President is a Christian.One other point I would like to state is it may be a good idea to use up the Saudi oil first and keep ours in reserve.If we have our own oil to fall back on that makes us a more powerful nation and not reliant on Mideast oil.

  • Frank Congleton

    You guys are so full of it!!! I checked with GOD &, HE TOO, SAID that you guys are full of it !!! EGO & FALSE PROPHECIES THAT IS!!!

    • jyrine

      What else did God tell you?

  • VBEASY

    Man, some of you are just idiots including the guy who wrote this dumb article. I thought I was going to read something interesting. Does this idiot know that the Bush Family hold shares in a oil company with the Bin Laden’s? New jobs at what costs? Have you been to Alberta? Its a waste land. Looks like something out of a Mad Max movie! I want no parts of that.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear VBEASY,

      Thanks for your compelling and insightful comment! Are you aware Bush has not been President for almost 3 years now?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

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