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Obama’s Gun Show

January 19, 2013 by  

They’re so cute when they’re being exploited. Finally, a job Holder can handle. And meet the Army, Senator Feinstein. All this, plus, a REPUBLICAN joke! Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!
 

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    Ben, as always hilarious! Hiccup and happy Saturday.

    • Vicki

      Another great 8 Ben. But you forgot to mention that
      ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anybody
      We are tired of being punished for the acts of a few.

      STOP IT.
      STOP IT NOW.

      Though you did hint at it. “cold, dead, fingers”.

      • Vigilant

        Received this this morning:

        The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

        Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

        Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171

        The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.

        The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

        The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188

        So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        Remember, ‘Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.’

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT almost everyone has at least one doctor.

        This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!!

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

        We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        Out of concern for the public at large, We withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!

      • eddie47d

        Yes Vickie then there are those 1.3 million dead children and adults shot and killed by guns since 1968. How do feel about their cold dead fingers? Just another statistic to you that you can brush under the rug? How about the fact that 40% of all gun buyers don’t do background checks. That’s another one of the NRA’s loopholes that allow those bad guys to slip through the cracks. Some of you like to say that past gun laws don’t work when the real problem is that they are never allowed to be enforced thus those loopholes. Those who sabotage the laws and water them down as an 2nd Amendment excuse are just as guilty for all those deaths. No different than those on the anti-gun side who say guns can’t be allowed in the home for self protection. Its a basic human right for folks to protect themselves . It’s also a basic human right to keep people from killing each other and it can’t be either or but both. Thus gun rights and gun control laws have to go hand in hand.

      • Randy G

        VIGILANT says Doctors kill more than guns. I hate to tel VIG that American docs are sent to foreign countries & their medicos are sent here. My Mother was in the hospital a few years ago & they did not want to take care of her, just send her home to die. Also A doc I had has chasnged sex & physical size & age, but still the same name.

      • Bill

        Hi Vicki and Vigilant
        Vicki, keep it up, that is a good argument against the gun grabbers

        Vigilant, From the CDC and the FBI, there were 195,000 deaths last year from medical errors, 11,493 from firearm homicides and 16,799 from non firearm homicides

        So, them doctors have been killing people left and right. So, maybe the gun grabbers have their focus misdirected

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        What ever it boilld down to, it is peoples’ lives you are talking about.

      • Vigilant

        Walter & Renee Agard says:
        January 19, 2013 at 10:20 am

        “What ever it boilld [sic] down to, it is peoples’ [sic] lives you are talking about.”

        And…….what? Your point eludes us.

        BTW, on the use of two names: who are we talking to at any particular time? Either (1) you two are so completely compatible in your views that one always speaks for the other, (2) you’ve got a split personality, or (3) you’ve had a sex change operation and are unsure of your identity.

      • Vigilant

        Randy G says, “Also A doc I had has changed sex & physical size & age, but still the same name.”

        Changed age, huh? Neat trick. Wish I could do that.

      • eddie47d

        I know commenter’s like Bill have a hard time focusing in trying to compare deaths from doctors and deaths by guns or those who like to claim more people die from car accidents so somehow that gun deaths are justifiable. Well that’s the oddball logic from the far right. They are not similar in any form except for the death part so maybe someday you’ll get it right. Now if you have a problem with auto deaths contact the Auto Safety Board and help to have those numbers reduced. If you think doctors are getting away with murder then complain to the AMA and ream them a new posterior hole. If you know of a friend or loved one who died on the table then check out the doctors history for any patterns. Then have him removed from practicing. If you’re concerned about gun deaths or even gun violence then go to the appropriate sources and demand action from your Representative or even the mayor.

      • Vigilant

        “…gun deaths are justifiable.”

        C’mon, eddie, you know better than that!

      • speedle

        Ed, you just don’t get it do you. The sweet sounding Obamaspeak (“Even one life is too big a price to pay to ignore gun control”) is completely illogical and ignores the real issue regarding the 2nd amendment. Those childrens’ lives have nothing to do with gun control. Even if we wanted to we cannot possibly keep guns out of the hands of people who use them illegally. Do you understand that the previous statement is not an opinion, but a “FACT”. Okay, if we start over with that fact then we can discuss things logically.(as in, what can we do to better protect the children?).

        Try a little common sense on for size Eddie, and see if it fits.

      • JUKEBOX

        Eddie, for many years I have said that doctors bury their mistakes. We have had two of these fatal mistakes in our family in the last two years. I have lost my only son in a fatal auto accident caused by a speeding van. It has been 25 years since we lost a family member to a gunshot.

      • eddie47d

        Vigilant: Then Bill and maybe yourself shouldn’t have been so cocky about saying that death by doctors are so much more important than by guns. If you want to trivialize gun deaths then you are the one with the problem.

      • eddie47d

        Jukebox; ALL deaths can be tragic and family members suffer no matter how they happen. Sorry for your loses but they still don’t take away from someone killed by a shooting.

      • eddie47d

        Speedle: I would say you are the one leaving out any common sense and don’t get it! Was your comment NRAspeak?

      • Average Joe

        “What ever it boilld down ,to, it is peoples’ lives you are talking about.”

        That’s why most of us here cherish our 2nd Amendment rights….so that we may perserve some of those lives while eliminating a few bad apples.. that way, the rest of the barrel doesn’t rot as well.

        AJ

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Yes Vickie then there are those 1.3 million dead children and adults shot and killed by guns since 1968. How do feel about their cold dead fingers?”

        To paraphrase arche bunker would it make you feel any better if they had been cut and killed by scalpel?

        It is a shame that neither they nor their guardians were able to resist their attacker because people like you blamed them (the innocent) for the acts of their attackers.

        - eddie47d: “Just another statistic to you that you can brush under the rug?”

        Like you are trying to brush under the rug the 2,5 MILLION people who used guns so that they were able to live?

        - eddie47d: “How about the fact that 40% of all gun buyers don’t do background checks.”

        Proof by bald assertion.

        - eddie47d: “That’s another one of the NRA’s loopholes that allow those bad guys to slip through the cracks.”

        That would be eddie47d’s imaginary NRA loopholes.

        - eddie47d: “Some of you like to say that past gun laws don’t work when the real problem is that they are never allowed to be enforced thus those loopholes.”

        Proof by bald assertion. And demonstrably false. ONE gun law has been shown time and again to work. WE (the ~300 MILLION AMERICANS WHO DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE) DEMAND THAT GOVERNMENT START ENFORCING THAT LAW NOW)

        - eddie47d: “Those who sabotage the laws and water them down as an 2nd Amendment excuse are just as guilty for all those deaths.”

        I am glad to see you blame yourself. YOU are one of those who sabotage the law and try and try (regrettably with too much success) to water it down.

        - eddie47d: “No different than those on the anti-gun side who say guns can’t be allowed in the home for self protection.”

        I detect inconsistencies in your argument

        - eddie47d: “Its a basic human right for folks to protect themselves. It’s also a basic human right to keep people from killing each other and it can’t be either or but both.”
        http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

        Which is why WE DEMAND THAT YOU START ENFORCING THE LAW.

        The SUPREME LAW OF THIS LAND.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP VIOLATING THE LAW
        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        I wrote to eddie47d:
        “Like you are trying to brush under the rug the 2,5 MILLION people who used guns so that they were able to live?”

        I should mention that ~2.5 million is PER YEAR so the actual number 1968-date is MUCH MUCH higher. Using simple math approximation 100 TIMES more people saved their lives and who knows how many others than were killed (where the tool = gun) then were killed by people (guns are inanimate objects)

        And of course being a different post I can include another link.
        http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d says:
        “Yes Vickie then there are those 1.3 million dead children and adults shot and killed by guns since 1968. How do feel about their cold dead fingers?”

        A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

        In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        ——————————

        In 1911,

        Turkey established gun control. >From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        ——————————

        Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
        ——————————

        China established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        ——————————

        Guatemala established gun control in 1964. >From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        —- ————- ————-

        Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        ——————————

        Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        —————————–

        Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

        ——————————

        So eddie, how do you feel about their “cold dead fingers”?

        You won’t see this data on the

        US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

        Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

        Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

        The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

        With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’.

        During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade

        America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

        And…We intend to stay that way! If our guns “Scare” you…..Delta is ready when you are, have a nice flight.

        AJ

        • Nick Czudy

          Hey Average. I will not comment on your whole list but only on the two situations that I do have knowledge on. You are erroneously lumping these deaths as to the banning of guns. That is the farthest from the truth in Stalin’s case and in Mao’s case of 1959 to 62.

          About 40 million people were killed in Ukraine and Russia from starvation when Stalin confiscated all of the food and grain to trade for western technology. He did kill many people and slaughtered whole villages when they were caught hiding food. They did not have money to buy guns and ammunition. Everything that they had was geared to surviving and feeding themselves.
          As for Mao, it was his also starving about 45 million people by following the same philosophy as Stalin. He gathered all of the food to trade for forwign technology. Both tyrants were able to hide this from the western countries and had elaborate ruses to fool western journalists.
          So no, you cannot claim that these deaths were the result of a gun ban. That is just not the case. It seems to be a favorite comeback of the gun lobby. It is not true. I have first hand experience in both of those cases. More information is coming out now as the internet has spread the word around the world.
          Meek and humble Obama and the dems would never do this. haha. they are for the people and not for the ruthless industrialists.
          As for your other cases that you sited, I have no knowledge, nor do I have the time and inclination to research them. But I bet that many of them will be other causes instead of no having guns.

          • eddyjames1952

            It is a lot easier to take some one’s loaf of bread if you take away their means to keep it. It was far easier to herd Jews into an oven after they were disarmed. Starvation, gas, over worked, clubbed all started once the guns were taken.

          • Nick Czudy

            eddie. You still think that Russia and Ukraine and Poland were like the USA and the wild west. they did not have guns to take away. Maybe pitch forks and scythes. But there were no guns to take away.
            Look at Fiddler on the roof. they grew their food, were peaceful and did not have guns. So the militia just had to ride in on their horses and many were killed with swords as well as guns. You keep thinking that they were like America was at that time.
            Only countries like USA and others were wars were being fought had guns. Many African countries for example.

      • eddie47d

        Average Joe; There we(you) go again.. because people died in Germany or wherever we can’t do a thing about gun deaths in America. Just like Vickie you shovel the crap under the rug thinking it will all go away.

      • Chuck S

        Eddie et al, the deaths of the children are tragic, but gun control may kill a lot more people than it saves. Remember Wayne Allen’s article showing that guns save 1 to 2.5 millon people a year from being victims of crime. Very few involved shooting the criminal – mostly scaring them off by showing the gun. Most shootings occur in areas that are gun-free or have strong gun control, like Chicago with > 500 murders last year.

        http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/27/guns-save-lives/

        This site lists about 66 cases of school violence involving anti-depressant drugs, which seems to be the real cause.

        http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2013/01/17/obamabiden-knowingly-avoid-right-target-to-stop-gun-violence/

      • Vicki

        Bill says:
        “Hi Vicki and Vigilant
        Vicki, keep it up, that is a good argument against the gun grabbers”

        Thanks. It is really the same argument we have made for MANY years. Criminals ignore laws. Example: GUN FREE ZONES. Gun (possession) control laws are just controlling (infringing) the possession of guns by law abiding citizens.

        All I did was put an actual number to how many people are punished EVERY year by having their God given, government contractually PROTECTED rights infringed upon.

        And to THIS DAY no liberal/progressive has been able to actually answer this very simple question that I asked flashy recently.

        What right of theirs enumerated in the constitution or hinted at in the 9th amendment is being infringed upon by the keeping(possessing) and bearing(carrying) of arms?

        Lets see if any of them can come up with even an irrational right for us to debate. So far they have come up with NOTHING.

        Meanwhile they continue to punish the innocent by taking private property and or threatening to take private property.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Dick

        Why don’t we make drugs illegal . That way , the junkies won’t be killing people with illegal guns to get what they need to buy those illegal drugs . The people on those drugs will do whatever they have to do , to get those drugs .
        All of the high profile murders here in N. Y. state were done with illegal firearms . There were firemen murdered by a x con who was let loose , after 17 years in jail for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer . The people responsible for turning him loose should stand trial for his crime .
        There was a illegal alien who had a long record who had a firefight with the Bing. N. Y. police on christmas day .
        Criminals do not obey the laws . Why pass more laws that only make it tough on the honest person .

      • Average Joe

        eddi,
        That was an intelligent response to my post (not).
        So basically, your reply is…”It can’t happen here”?

        Please, try to convince those 56 million people who most likely said the same thing.
        Face it eddie, you’re a hoplophobe and that just the thought of guns being near you makes you wet your pants. At this point, you are not mentaly fit to own one, but they say that pschiatric intervention can help you with that. Or, you could simply wise up and go to a gun range and do a bit of learing about firearms and how to safely operate one. Until you face your fears head on, you will always be the limp wristed panty waste ( a victim) that you are.

        AJ

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy,

        “About 40 million people were killed in Ukraine and Russia from starvation when Stalin confiscated all of the food and grain to trade for western technology. He did kill many people and slaughtered whole villages when they were caught hiding food. They did not have money to buy guns and ammunition. Everything that they had was geared to surviving and feeding themselves.
        As for Mao, it was his also starving about 45 million people by following the same philosophy as Stalin. He gathered all of the food to trade for forwign technology. Both tyrants were able to hide this from the western countries and had elaborate ruses to fool western journalists.”

        How were they able to carry out their starvations? First they confiscated the guns…then they starved these people to death.

        Vicki was kind enough to upload this link a couple of days ago…I highly suggest that you watch it in it’s entirety and then reassess your post.

        So yes, I can claim these deaths as a direct result of gun confiscation.
        Thank you for playing today. Parting gifts are availble at the door.

        AJ

        • Nick Czudy

          Joe. With regards, they did not have any guns to confiscate. Maybe Stalin and Mao, took their pitch forks. haha But they did not have guns to confiscate. My mother lived through that time and guns was not a household item. They did not have the gun industry and the need for guns, nor could they afford to buy them and ammunition.
          I have verified this with my mother. She told me of burying rotten potatoes under the house foundation so that Stalin’s Lieutenants would not find them. They boiled their shoes to make some sort of soup to eat. My mother and her sister had one pair of shoes to share between them. So each of them only got to go to school every second day.
          They did not have guns to take away. they could not afford to buy guns and there was not gun stores in anywhere except the capital cities.
          This is pure Gun mongers propaganda. Do not believe what you read in the gun lobby propaganda.
          PS. I did not see the link. So I still have not read what you wanted me too. I will look for it. regards Nick Cz

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy,

        Sorry, I forgot the link;

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vNj2sb_00

      • eddie47d

        Chuck; Wayne’s figure is highly exaggerated. Read this afternoon that the number is closer to 250,000.

      • eddie47d

        Is being a condescending smuck your favorite side Average Joe? Classic!. So what exactly am I scared of again? I did my shooting between 1964-69 and its none of your business if you think it has to continue. Now I do get riled up when the gun “nuts” puke all over the dead bodies in America and think their deaths are no big deal. All we hear from them is Bring It On!

      • Jana

        Nick Czudy,

        Then you need to watch this. It is true and part of our history.

        Athens, Tenn – 1946

        http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html

        An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject

        • Nick Czudy

          Jana, thanks for the link. That was an interesting and inspiring clip. I did not know about that story. It was a good reason for citizens to stand up for their rights. You learn something every day on this blog. I believe it as they made a movie about it with some known stars.
          Now I stand with the people and war veterans on that situation.

          Now I wonder about if it is relevant to today’s situation? One those politicians and sheriffs were really corrupt. There is not question about that. I am always on the side of fairness and right over corruption and violence.
          None of the guns were semi-automatic weapons. So if that kind of a situation occurred today, it could still be done with normal guns.
          From the language and opinions that I have read on this blog site, there are many of you that think that Obama has been so corrupt and evil. So do you think that it is necessary to stand up against him and take the law into your own hands? The Athens conflict was black and white. Today’s opinions are varied and differ depending on the side and the political affiliation. Do you think that this is a place for standing up against the Obama admin?
          The tempers and feelings here are so fervent here, that are you suggesting that this will be necessary to do in the next 4 years?

          One point that is still a big problem is that the voting should not be regulated by partisan state governments. Where there is GOP governments, they were trying to oppress the votes for democrat areas, with shorter voting times and fewer voting machines. Next the GOP states are all rushing to install laws that will redistrict and ensure that they will get the majority of the seats, even with less popular vote. Is this fair and just?
          I propose that voting be regulated by a federal, unbiased and non partisan authority that makes the same laws for every state and where the machines and methods of voting are fair and even for everyone. If there are huge lines in certain polling precincts, then decisions could be made to alleviate the long lines. The Florida fiasco is embarrassing. They had better elections in Russia, Ukraine and Iraq, then this last election. Gov Scott should be impeached. A situation like in Athens should never, ever happen. The voting in this last election should never occur again. I hope that Obama has time to over haul the voting process and make it non – partisan.

          To sum up. I think that the country and most of the states have progressed and evolved. I believe that an unjust situation like the Athens war, would never happen again.
          I expected that someone, that was mad at Obama, because he won the last election, would attempt to take his life for political beliefs. His kids really need to be protected as well as Obama.

          It is the fervent zeal of the gun toters and right wing that scare me. Not for just reasons, but for political reasons. this is another reason for some kind of background checks.

          that’s all folks. regards. Nick Cz

      • Vicki

        Dick says:
        “Criminals do not obey the laws . Why pass more laws that only make it tough on the honest person .”

        Your point is well taken but lost on most people because the “honest person” is too nebulous a concept. We need to give it a number to help point out the statistics that progressives always try to use against us.

        The honest person. There is a quantity associated with that.

        Duck Eddie. Here it comes:

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Average Joe; There we(you) go again.. because people died in Germany or wherever we can’t do a thing about gun deaths in America.”

        Of Course we can do something about gun deaths in America. We can repeal the GUN FREE ZONES. They don’t work.

        Here is a parody video of how liberals see GunFree Zones.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dg_AcBeHgo

      • Vicki

        This group went out and tried to get people to stand by their GUN FREE ZONE Convictions and post a sign. Guess how many took the signs.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy,

        “None of the guns were semi-automatic weapons. So if that kind of a situation occurred today, it could still be done with normal guns.”
        Wrong again….
        Did you not watch the video? Poor eyesight? Weren’t paying attention? Every single carbine in the back of that truck was a semi-automatic M-1 Garrand in .30 cal. to be exact.
        In the future..pay attention to the details…if you’re only watching the surface, you miss the important stuff,,,like semi-automatic weapons used in this video. Better luck next time.

        AJ

      • Average Joe

        eddie,

        “Is being a condescending smuck your favorite side Average Joe? ”

        Nope, I save that for special folks (shortbus special) like you…and… you’re still a panty waste.

        AJ

      • Bill

        But do not forget that Eddie said we should not have our guns because we owe money to the Chinese and they want their money.

        Eddie will lie and make up anything to support his argument of taking away your guns

      • JeffH

        Bill, B-I-N-G-O! You have been paying attention and don’t allow the board liar to escape his ignorance or stupidity.

        He reaps what he sows!

      • Wil

        Eddie, and how many millions have been murdered through abortion since then? Liberals and their selective outrage.

    • Nick Czudy

      Ben, that was pathetic. You would get booed off the stage at Yuk Yuk’s amateur night. This is typical right wing humor. haha. Maybe there will be a lot of cold fingers and that will parse our population of radicals.

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy,

        “Maybe there will be a lot of cold fingers and that will parse our population of radicals.”

        Feeling a bit froggy today? I’ll try to make sure my hands are cold…when the “hammer” drops.
        Molon Labe…fool.

        AJ

      • Vicki

        AJ just remind Nick that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Is that the the 40th time Vickie,dang I lost count! As per one of your other comments in disavowing any blame to the NRA. If the NRA writes state laws (along with ALEC) and they allow these loopholes to flourish then yes they are guilty of allowing these deaths to continue. Those guns used at Columbine were purchased using those loopholes that the NRA wants to remain open. So no we won’t Stop exposing your occasional repetitive insanity!

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Is that the the 40th time Vickie,dang I lost count!”

        You were counting? Boy you must be bored. :)

        - eddie47d: “As per one of your other comments in disavowing any blame to the NRA. If the NRA writes state laws (along with ALEC) and they allow these loopholes to flourish then yes they are guilty of allowing these deaths to continue.”

        And you ignore the deaths caused by GUN FREE ZONES. Nice cherry picking there.

        - eddie47d: “Those guns used at Columbine were purchased using those loopholes that the NRA wants to remain open. So no we won’t Stop exposing your occasional repetitive insanity!”

        Oh please do explain how punishing ~300 MILLION Americans for the actions of 2 people is sane. We are waiting (not holding our breath though)

        For the rest I would ask why it is sane to punish ~300 MILLION AMERICANS for the actions of a few criminals.

        I might also ask what is insane about observing that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Jana

        Vicki,

        All of these were liberal Democrats, or children of liberal Democrats.

        Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

        Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered

        Democrats and progressive liberals

        Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~

        Registered Democrat

        Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama

        campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant;

        progressive liberal

        Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

    • http://personalliberty Alondra

      Go and sign Petition.

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      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Political Correction is growing and booming. Common Sense is choked and strangled.

        1) A five-year-old girl from Northumberland County, Penn., was labeled a “terrorist threat” and suspended from her kindergarten class after telling a friend about a pink “Hello Kitty” toy bubble gun

        2) Oklahoma first-grader suspended for making gun gestures with his hand

        3) A six-year-old Maryland boy attending Roscoe R. Nix Elementary School in Silver Spring, MD, was suspended from school for making a gun gesture with his hand and saying “pow”. Parents now are fighting to remove the disciplinary action from the child’s record

        4) In Ontario, Canada a father of four was arrested and strip searched by authorities after his FOUR-year-old daughter drew a picture of a man with a gun in her kindergarten class. The picture was supposed to be of him (father) getting “BAD GUYS AND MONSTERS.”

        5) Teachers in UK schools are banning children from making best friends, The Sun reported, because they want “to save the child” from the pain of splitting up from their best friend. Instead, children are encouraged to play in large groups. (Therefore the children do not know how to deal with the “pain”, when they grow up)

        P.S. Parents, make sure that your child does not make the gun gestures with hands while playing “Cowboys” or “Indians” or “Hunters” or “Solders” games. It does not matter no one would be hurt, but it may go to the child’s record as “Domestic terrorist”

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Sandy Hook HOAX

        CHECK IT BEFORE IT WILL BE TAKEN DOWN

        State of Connecticut
        Web Site of Department of Emergency Services & Public Protection, Emergency Management & Homeland Security

        http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/calendar.asp?date=12%2F14%2F2012&calendar_ID=0

        Calendar schedule says: DEMHS and All Calendars – Events for 12/14/2013

        12/14 9AM – 4PM – FEMA L-366 (this is a course number) – Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters (Course Title)

        Sandy Hook was schedule by Department of Homeland Security and FEMA for an exact day (12/14/2012) and exact time and an exact general facility.

        The course LOCATION: 2800 Main Street, Bridgeport, CT
        The course TIME: 9 AM – 4 PM

        Bridgeport, CT was a LOCATION in which FEMA conducted its curse on the same date and at the same time the shooting occurred. The location is connected to the Sandy Hook School by the same road

        Clicking the Curse Title (Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters) it brings you to:)

        To be continue

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Part 2
        Clicking the Curse Title (Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters) it brings you to:

        Dec 14, 2012
        The GOAL OF THE COURSE is to enable participants to improve their community’s mitigation and EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE NEEDS OF CHILDREN. The course will provide them with the information needed to address the unique needs of children prior to, during and following disasters. It will also provide them guidance and direction on how to form coalitions and how to become advocates for the unique needs of children in all aspects of emergency management.
        After completing this course, participants will be able to:
        • Articulate the importance of PROVIDING FOR THE NEEDS OF CHILDREN IN DISASTERS in your community’s current emergency management plan.
        • Explain what is required to keep children safe in emergencies and WHY THOSE NEEDS ARE UNIQUE.
        • Explain the assumptions, concept of operations, organization and assignment of responsibilities that address the unique needs of children prior to, during and following disasters.
        • Explain the planning components necessary to address the UNIQUE NEEDS OF CHILDREN PRIOR TO, DURING AND FOLLOWING DISASTERS
        • Incorporate the unique needs of children in disasters into Emergency Operations Plans
        • Identify stakeholders and organizations that can assist in preparing for the needs of children in disasters.
        • Initiate steps to form coalitions and build teams that have a stake in keeping children safe in disasters
        The target audience FOR THIS COURSE is local and state emergency managers and planners, Child Services Agencies, NGO’s, Child Care Providers, Schools, and Faith-based Organizations.
        1. As of October 1, 2012 anyone applying for FEMA courses must obtain a FEMA Student Identification (SID) number. For more information and to obtain a SID go to: https://cdp.dhs.gov/femasid/
        You will need this number to complete the course application form (119-25-1) that will be filled out at the beginning of the class. FEMA CERTIFICATES WILL BE MAILED TO PARTICIPANTS AFTER COMPLETION OF THIS COURSE.
        2.CLASS SIZE IS LIMITED TO 30. Please sign up as soon as possible to guarantee a spot in the class of your choice.
        3. There are no prerequisites for this CLASS.
        4. THERE IS NO COST FOR THE CLASS AND LUNCH IS ON YOUR OWN.

        Please watch this short video on how to setup an account
        ct.gov/demhs/lib/demhs/training/reg/registration.html

        LOCATION: 2800 Main Street, Bridgeport, CT
        9 AM – 4 PM

        Contact: Christopher Ackley
        Email: christopher.ackley@ct.gov
        Phone: (203)-696-2640

        5 of 40 seats still available
        Last day to register: 12/13/2012

        To be continue

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Part 3 of 3
        Clicking on the provided link in Part 2 https://cdp.dhs.gov/femasid/ it brings you to the FEMA Web site:

        What is a FEMA SID?

        A FEMA Student Identification (SID) number is a unique number generated and assigned to anyone who needs or is required to take training provided by a FEMA organization. Your FEMA SID uniquely identifies you throughout the FEMA organization and all of its agencies. The goal is for your FEMA SID to serve as your personal identification number instead of your Social Security Number (SSN) in support of FEMA’s effort to decrease/cease the use of SSN for identifying and tracking individuals.

        Why do I need a FEMA SID?

        A FEMA SID is required to register for and participate in any training provided by FEMA agencies. All FEMA training providers’ registration systems and enrollment procedures require a valid FEMA SID. Your FEMA SID serves as your personal identification number and merges/links/connects/combines all of your FEMA training records under one account to simplify keeping track of all your FEMA training accomplishments.

        Learn more about the FEMA Student Identification (FEMA SID) number

    • bill snow

      I think Ben could do a far more better job running this country than you know who. Who? Well, if you don’t know by now, shame on you!!!!!!!

      • Deerinwater

        Well, I certainly hope that you have only one vote Bill and there are not very many of you.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    On January 14, I attentively listened to our “great” leader’s conference on RAISING THE DEBT CEILING.
    So after my profound thinking I decided to write to our Spender-in-Chief a letter and humbly ask him for his PERSONAL assistance in my effort to INCREASE MY CREDIT LIMIT, which I think is very much justified.

    January 14, 2013
    Barry O’Liar, Spender-in-Chief
    Fiscal Cliff Avenue
    Useless D.C. (District of Corruption)
    US of the hijacked America

    Dear Spender-in-Chief,
    I am respectfully asking you for your assistance in my plea to INCREASE MY CREDIT LIMIT, because as you said: It’s our responsibility to pay our bills and I already have many financial commitments, which I need to pay.

    Sir, PLEASE do not think that I am an irresponsible citizen. I fallowed ALL of your instructions and recommendations, which you so wisely gave us on May 17, 2008 during you campaign at Roseburg, Oregon. And also I REALLY CARE WHAT “EVERY OTHER COUNTRY GOING SAY” about us, stubborn Americans, who are so obsessed with the FREEDOM and addicted to the LIBERTY; who are fanatically clinging to their GUNS and bigoted RELIGION; who are loyal to their Constitution and getting bitterly frustrated when the Law of the Land is disrespected, ignored and screwed up.

    So, sir, here is my justification for my humble request to INCREASE MY CREDIT LIMIT:
    1. I sold my SUV and bought third hand Chevrolet Metro, 1999
    2. I INFLATE my TIRES PROPERLY & Get regular Tune-Ups
    3. I do NOT EAT AS MUCH AS I WANT
    4. I do NOT TURN UP/down MY THERMOSTATS at home (at all)
    5. You, sir, promised us that the coast of your obamaCare will go down $2,500. But it already went UP $2,500 and in one year it’s going to double (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#/v/2096176460001/navigating-the-new-health-care-law/?playlist_id=87651)
    6. The FOOD prices increase (this is one reason more that I can’t “EAT AS MUCH AS I WANT”
    7. The Gas price DOUBLED and is close to it “skyrocketing”
    8. My mortgage is underwater
    9. With your request for the “FAIR SHARE” for freeloaders like “Julia” and alike, who are on the Taxpayer’s dough my PAYCHECK SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED
    10. Last year your Royal family cost Taxpayers $1.4 BBBillion!!! It is 20 times more (!) expensive than the British royal family ($57.8 million/year)

    Sir, I made significant cuts in my spendings, but as you can see, with such increase of the spending under your “Hope & Change” policies my cash is flowing out quickly.

    Sir, you may ask me “Why I do not address my request directly to my Bank?”
    Well, The same reason you are passing Congress.

    I am looking forward to your assistance and support because I know that you are VERY “compassionate” “your brothers’ keeper”) and I hope your sisters’ keeper as well, even with your obvious preference toward the “brothers”.

    “I am my brother’s keeper” you used 57 times, including 17 times over the last 12 months. Even you terribly misquoted the Cain’s (the history’s first murderer) reply to the God, on which you are placing YOUR “moral principle” you almost convinced me that I can start to “trust” you.

    Thank you
    Sincerely,
    Alondra, Very Proud & Hopeful citizen of the beloved country, called America and Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot aka Right-Winger extremist

    • Dennis48e

      Love it Alondra although I am sure eddie47d (ya think that is his man-boob size?) and his co-horts will have plenty of disparaging remarks in their replys to you.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        LMAO! Good one! I hear eddie47donkey been terrorizing donkeys in Mexico! He and other Libtards have a fetish with a dummycrat donkey logo, I hope the donkeys give eddie a good kick in the rear leaving a nasty horse shoe marks on his fat rear end! So the Libtard gringos and their slaves will be spewing their trash in 5,4,3,2,1

      • eddie47d

        Don’t worry about me I love proving the unbridled insanity of the far right and this is the go to place. You all make is so easy such as Mexican talking trash while accusing others of doing so. 5,4,3,2,1, Bingo! Then there is oh so cleaver Dennis who makes disparaging remarks while claiming smug superiority. I don’t have to make disparaging remarks to Alondra for she’s capable of doing it to herself. LOL! Check out #7 about gas prices for they are $2.78 in Denver. Some of you are funnier than the Master of ceremonies! Not Really!!

      • nc

        Dennis, why try to reason with a person (Alonda) who is so dumb he bought more house than he can now afford? Neither can he feed himself properly and he drives a piece of s**t car? You work with him! He is below my pay grade!

      • Dennis48e

        “You work with him! He is below my pay grade!”

        Typical elitist attitude of the paid leftest shills on this site.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Along comes nc a Libtard having a meltdown! eddie47donkey is foaming at the mouth.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Oh BTW eddie47donkey! You already proved unbridled insanity from the gringo Libtards. When you attack you just cant take it, You cry like a doper baby, Nice try gringo!

      • eddie47d

        Mexican: Are you a paid Idiot or did it take years of practice to become so dumb?

      • JeffH

        Dennis48e, Ya think? Look who the cat drug in just as you knew it would.

        eddie, the only thing you prove when you move your lips is that the majority here at PLD are right, you are stupid!

      • eddie47d

        Since you just arrived Jeff H I would say you are the cat who dragged himself in. I didn’t know dead cats could talk! Oh well it’s only your usual slick remark or was that your last fur ball! LOL!

      • Jana

        nc,
        Wow, Alondra wrote that letter mocking our not too brilliant President. You not being able to tell that, shows you aren’t the brightest color in the box either. Well, we actually all knew that already as per who you voted for.

      • JeffH

        eddie,

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Bill

        But Don’t forget that Eddie made a statement that we should not have guns because we owe money to the Chinese and they want their money

      • eddie47d

        Hi Vickie err…Jeff H Poor Jeff has even less thought process than Vickie. LOL! Bill = The champion of deceit and lies. Still at it big BOY?

      • JeffH

        eddie again says DUH!

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Hi Vickie err…Jeff H Poor Jeff has even less thought process than Vickie. LOL! Bill = The champion of deceit and lies. Still at it big BOY?”

        Run completely out of arguments I see. Nothing by ad hominem

        Did anyone tell eddie47d yet that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Jana

        poor eddie,

        eddie47d says:
        January 20, 2013 at 2:11 pm

        Hi Vickie err…Jeff H Poor Jeff has even less thought process than Vickie. LOL! Bill = The champion of deceit and lies. Still at it big BOY?_______________________

        You try to dish it out, but it seems you just can’t take it.

        300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        Bill says:
        “But Don’t forget that Eddie made a statement that we should not have guns because we owe money to the Chinese and they want their money”

        Here is where he said it.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

      • deerinwater

        Jeff H repeats Vicki’s chant,

        “300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.”

        “~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.”

        “Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT”

        I fail to see where the punishment might be Vicki.

        Are you suggesting that the 2nd amendment guarantees all American’s access to state of the arts combat munitions?

        If so, ~ I’d like to buy a “full dress” Abrams Tank! A few F35 ‘s air to ground platforms with full all weather electronics. I’d like 6 cases of Claymore’s , ~ a few Apache with complete rocket accompaniment, 6 M49′s with 20 cases of beehive round and 50 case of williepeter, parachute flares, 10 night vision units, and a Rail Gun that can launch a 50 pound projectile into orbit.

        I’ve got all the rest but these few items would most helpful and complete my personal security force and only then might I feel on equal footing with my neighbors and rest easy.

        I have concerns that my neighborhood is deterring , there are people about that looks suspicious.

        When can I expect delivery?

      • JeffH

        So says the Jabberwocky.

        Did you know? 300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.”

        “~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.”

        “Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

    • hipshotpercusion

      Very good! say hello to the Secret Service(please read SS)I’m sure when they are done grilling you, they will be around to see me, too.

      • jopa

        MexicanRetardican Puke.Explain to me how a donkey can leave a horseshoe mark on someone.Any donkey with self respect would not wear a horseshoe.Are you one of those girliemen that wears your wifes shoes?

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        SHERIFF WILL NOT OBEY UNLAWFUL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS

        January 15, 2013

        Vice President Joe Biden
        1600 Pennsylvania Ave. N.W.
        Washington, DC 20501

        Dear Mr. Vice President,

        As the elected Sheriff of this County, I am saddled with the duty, as well as responsibility, to uphold the Constitution and protect those people who placed their trust in me to do what is right.

        I believe in our Constitution and all it stands for. We, you and I, are sworn to protect and defend our Constitution as required through the “Oath of Office”. This same Constitutional form of government provided us with the most privileged, and envied, country in world history.

        Someone once said our country would collapse from within, without a shot being fired. No nation in the world can do more damage to the United States than we can inflict upon ourselves. We are keenly aware of just that by the accelerated pace in which our central (federal) government is usurping the Constitution. This lends itself to a much broader discussion, but for brevity sake I remain focused upon the Second, and Tenth Amendment issues.

        It is so typical of the “big brother” mentality to punish the masses, for the heinous crimes committed by a few despicable individuals.

        The Constitution, and Bill of Rights, guarantees liberties to the people. These documents, as you know, cannot be whisked to the side by regulation or executive order. According to these documents, the Executive and Judicial branches were to have NO lawmaking powers. The question then becomes how is it “executive” orders can be enforced as if they were laws?

        As such, any rule, regulation, or executive order repugnant to the constitutional rights of the citizens of this County will be ignored by this Office, nor will this office, or the citizens, allow enforcement of unconstitutional activities by federal officers.

        We refuse to participate, or allow our law-abiding citizens to be criminalized through constitutionally repugnant actions by misguided intentions or politicians.

        Respectfully,
        Gil Gilbertson, Sheriff
        Josephine County, Oregon

        http://www.newswithviews.com/Gilbertson/gil103.htm

        And watch
        1. Sheriff Mack
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEFEnzQ_KPg

        2.Richard Mack: This is the Answer, This is the Solution
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tp6y-I0Ytk

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Awww! Racist Retarded Freeloader Dopa! Sad little gringo you are! It’s good I’m doing a good job exposing Lib Pukes like you!

    • eddie47d

      They say confession is good for the soul and its surprising to hear Alondra actually admit she is an extremist and a bigot. Not that we didn’t already know that and I’m not sure if that’s real honesty or a slip of her wicked tongue?

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Still having a meltdown! Tsk! Tsk! That’s good Alondra really hit your nerves!

      • eddie47d

        Mexican: You make less sense as time goes on with your psycho babble! Did you drink too much toilet water as a kid?

      • truckjunkie

        Eddie47d;
        Would you give me just ONE solid,honest answer to a question that,so far,not a SINGLE Liberal has had an answer to?
        Can you tell me explicitly how depriving capable,legal gun owners of their choice of guns and large capacity magazines will make any non-criminal Citizen safer? I’m not asking for political double-speak or a generalized answer-I want to know the actual “bricks & mortar of what will make GUN CONTROL work to make America SAFER.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hi truck. I will try and give you some possible answers. We need to talk about this and leave the NRA gospel behind of not making any laws and not allowing the ATF or CDC to study and publish the statistics.

          1) If we remove the assault type semi-auto weapons, from the good list, eventually they will become harder for the criminals and crazies to come across. This will take time.
          2) Background checks on everyone. Will weed out some crazies from getting the guns. People with Psychiatric problems and convicted criminals. There could be others that make the list, People on no fly zone, and foreigners.
          3) the ATF should be beefed up to be able to manage this list and be able to co-ordinate with government, medical and other lists to maintain an up to date and easily accessed master list that gun dealers can access easily. This would also need a mechanism for someone that has been rejected, to be able to appeal if a mistake has been made.
          4) the GOP restrictions on gun related studies from the CDC and other agencied must be completed and made public. then we will really know if these and other rules are winning or losing.
          5) people must take some training courses that teach safe handling and how to lock and store firearms. Too many kids shoot themselves playing cops and robbers.
          6) if some schools want to have a armed guard, then it might be possible to have a trained and retired gun owner to act as a guard. Most school boards cannot afford to hire police and professionals. This would allow interested people a way to perform a useful function and give them some extra cash in their retirement days. They need to be informed of possible life giving situations that might arise. I am sure many will be willing to put their life on the line to perform an needed and useful function.

          This is a start. You may add some more. But these things will not take away the 2nd Amend. rights and will not punish safe gun owners. eventually the supply of the assault weapons will become harder and harder to get and this will eventually make life safer for the masses.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks Nicky I was out to dinner. Not to aggravate Truck but would he insist that the NRA doesn’t peddle their “doublespeak” too! I think this whole country would be safer without high caliber magazines in the hands of anyone. Private citizens or police! If they aren’t sold that makes it harder for the criminal too besides most get their weapons legally (before they commit their crime) or through straw buyers who got those weapons legally. Think of the arsenal that some gun owners brag about so its not hard to build up a large cache and then over the months and years parcel them out.

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy,

        1. What constitutes “assault type semi-auto weapons”? Is it the way it looks? Assault weapons are what the military uses..selective fire Semi-auto or full auto. simply changing how a firearm “looks” does nothing to change how it functions. Whether you realize it or not, semi-auto firearms have been a mainstay for over 100 years.
        Your comment about taking time is correct…there are milions upon millions of semi-automatic arms throughout the world…so I’m figuring a couple of hundred years to eliminate them…so much for number 1.

        2. When you purchase a firearm from a dealer, you must submit to a background check before you may take posession of the firearm. If it is bought on the internet, they must be sent to a lic.FFL dealer..and you still have to pass a background check. At guns shows, most dealers have computers right there with them and run a background check on the spot as well and the ones that don’t will tell you when you may pick up your firearm from their brick and morter shop. Yes, there are some people out there who sell and trade guns to other friends and relatives…however, the majority of those people have enough sense no to do so with a person that obviously unstable. Mental heath…sure…Shrinks should have the responsibilty of contacting proper authorities when some is a real threat to society..however, that is a double edged sword…since Dr’s are human and can allow their prejudices to infuence their decisions and that could do more harm than good. So, much for number 2.

        3. So your answer is more government? Are you buying or do you just like the idea of raising everyone elses taxes for your pleasure? You are sayingthat the governernment doesn’t have enough LE agencies already?…we need a few more?….how about we just go ahead and assign and police officer to hold our hands 24/7? Would that make you feel safe?…so much for number 3

        4.Once again…let’s spend more money on worthless “studies” that can be skewed to show any result that you want it to show…yep keep throwing more money at it…that’ll work…bigger government, that’s the answer. So much for number 4.

        5. Training…now that’s novel idea and one that I can get behind…Although all responsible gun owners already do that..and it is required in most states for a CCL.
        I don’t know of too many kids shooting themselves playing cops and robbers. Yes it occasionally happens and is tragic. However, that is a direct result of irresponsible actions of the owner, not the public at large (Obviously)., considering the number of guns compared to the nuber of these accidental shootings.Ok, you get a half point for number 5

        6. I can agree on this…but first we must eliminate the federal law prohibiting firearms on the premises. Gun free zones on hinder law abiding gun owners only…it doesn’t even slow the bad guys down.

        Arm yourselves and let the bad guys wonder who’s packing heat and who isn’t…if they don’t know who has firearms, they may just think twice, because they could start out as the perp and end up as a statisitc…
        “Would be robber gets killed by gun toting grandma…ooops.”
        Now that’s a headline that I can get behind.

        AJ

        • Nick Czudy

          HI AJ. I was going to go to bed and then I saw your reply.

          1) I know what a semi-auto weapon is. It shoots every time that you pull the trigger without having to re-cock or reload. I think that Obama’s plan of rifles with over 10 round magazines as well as pistols could fall in that assault weapon ban. If someone has one of those weapons, he would be able to keep it by just getting a smaller magazine. I also think that gun ranges should be allowed to keep them so that people that are inclined to use them, have a place to shoot.

          2) The statistics that I have heard over the last few months has been around 40% of gun sales go without a background check. I do not know any better than that. By the way, who is it that manages this background checks? From what I have learned, in the last week is that the ATF does not have the resources to manage this. their hands have been tied with the GOP and NRA restrictions. Also the list needs to be expanded to include people on no fly list, terrorists, and people with Psychological problems.

          3) the ATF has been shackled for many years because if the influence of the NRA and the GOP shills. They are the obvious agency to administer this. I assume that you agree with the NRA idea to put policemen in every school? Do you also go along with the idea that more guns are needed to solve the murders? So do not bitch about spending more money to make these laws work and be useful. Some one has to put all of the data together or to read all of the background checks and come back with a decision. Maybe a fee can be charged for the background check that will make it an income rather than another government cost?

          4) the worthless studies were made to what I understand. Some GOP congressman made it illegal for them to be released to the public. the studies are being made, they just need to be studied. For example. One premise is that hidden carry permits prevent crime. then why not take the statistics and tell the public if that is true or not. How about when the assault weapons were banned a decade ago. What is the outcome of that result. All that we got was what the NRA wanted us to know. can you understand that anything that the NRA says cannot be taken as true.

          5) Somewhere there are stats on how many accidental deaths occur from the mis-handling of guns. I have heard that it is large, but I am not going to look for it now. It was from some 2009 report on gun crime and deaths. there are a lot of domestic and suicides on that report.

          6) Gun free zones could allow the official guards to have arms, but still restrict others from bringing arms on site. we do not want many stand offs and gun fights.

          As for the gun toting granny killing a robber. What I heard was that a few years ago, a gun toting granny, blew away a UPS or FedEx courier because he knocked on her front door. How many innocent people have been killed by entering someones property. As the laws stand now, anyone that come to the front door of a house is technically trespassing and can be shot by the owner or inhabitants with impunity. That is not right.

          In Canada, they have similar laws and most robberies do not carry guns. The only gun activity takes place by feuding gangs and drug gangsters. The death rates there are minimal. The more guns there are the more deaths will occur.

          Ok good night. Get up and watch the Inauguration tomorrow and put your hand over your heart. haha regards Nick Cz

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        HA! HA! HA! Little gringo eddie47donkey is losing it! You must be the king of Libturd drinking the toilet water! Nice try eddie!

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy,

        1. You did not answer my question as posed…you simply danced a jig around it…and it wasn’t pretty.

        2. I didn’t ask”what you heard. Either verify your stanc e with facts…or admit that you are giving us personal opinion and heresay.

        3. Part one: You make a claim concerning the NRA and GOP shills…where is your verifiable peoof..once again you give us your opinion with no factual evidence to support your claims…fail.
        Part two: I have no affiliation whatsoever with the NRA and no, I don’t agree with putting armed police in the classrooms. I encourage the ending of gun free zones and allowing trained teachers to carry firearms ( I did not stae that this shoul;d be a mandatory carry, strictly voluntary for the teachers)….no extra expense to taxpayers and a way to stop school shootings..since the perps are likely to be shot if they attempt to harm children.

        4. I stand by my originsl statement.

        5. Once again more heresay and no verifiable facts…who woulda thunk?

        6. Ok, so now you want laws that apply to some people but not to others? You really are a bit unhinged there fella. As I said above…get rid of gun free zones and arm those teachers who aren’t hopless hoplophobes…problem solved.

        Next you go on to ramble on about more heresay and personal opinion…without evidence, your comments are worthles to anyone but …you.

        Next time, put on your Big Boy Pants before joining the adults in the room. Bring facts to support your views…or don’t bother…you are simply wasting our time reading and responding to your personal opinion.

        No, I won’t be wasting my time watching the Obamanation Coronation tomorrow…the Emperor has no clothes.

        AJ

      • Vicki

        Nick Czudy says:
        The statistics that I have heard over the last few months has been around 40% of gun sales go without a background check.”

        I heard from my mother’s brother’s son’s sister’s best friend that 40%……. Nice reliable source there. At least the source I have can easily be found by anyone when I point out that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE not even the psyco ones.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        Btw I did find a 40% in the news. That is how much money the government is borrowing.

    • REDD

      And speaking of a Debt Ceiling!! I never quite got the plan of how these people know we’re going to hit the Spending Limit on a particular Day!! But if they had that much Heads-Up time on it, seems like they would do something to stave off the Ceiling before it got here!!!
      I heard someone say a few weeks back that you could Compare the Debt Ceiling to A Busted Sewage Pipe in your House!! If the House is Filling Up with Poop, what is the Best thing to Do?? Raise the Ceiling of the House?? Or Open the Front Door and Shovel out All the Poop??
      I think it’s time to Grab the Shovels and Shovel Out all 535 members of the House and Senate, and Throw out Obama and Biden, the 2 Biggest Turds!!!!

      • Larry K.

        And don’t forget michelle.

      • Vigilant

        Don’t forget justices Roberts, Sotomayor, Kagan, Breyer and Bader Ginsburg.

    • Bill

      Great comments, Alondra
      In adjusting you debt, it is always advisable to bring in more income. You should have added to your letter, why does he have an anti-business attitude and want to run our economy into the toilet.

      Oh, I forgot, it is all bush’s fault

    • Nancy

      Great letter, I doubt the that the “ultimate selfish leader of the fast vanishing free country” would appreciate it, I sure did. Like most “right wingers” I hate what he is doing to our country, and would love to see him impeached and the sooner the better:

      • manuel rosa

        my complements AJ
        You got style, brains too.

    • JUKEBOX

      Alondra, even the welfare and food stamp recipients are affected by the increases you laid out, but they are too ignorant to realize their poverty level is increasing, and they blindly vote for the inflationary policies of the Democrts.

    • Average Joe

      Alondra,

      “January 14, 2013
      Barry O’Liar, Spender-in-Chief
      Fiscal Cliff Avenue
      Useless D.C. (District of Corruption)
      US of the hijacked America”

      I am afraid that our illustrious liar in chief will not receive your correspondence.
      In the future, please remember to send your letters to:

      Current LIar in Chief
      C/O

      Joe’s Home for the Mentally Impaired
      1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
      Washington, DC 20500
      ;)

      AJ

    • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

      No gringo eddie47donkey! I work for a living! Tick Tock! Eddie The Libtard is having a meltdown, Get a life troll you lost the war!

      • eddie47d

        I love it Mexican for all you are doing is further exposing the mind (less) of the Conservative “race”. LOL!

    • manuel rosa

      Alondra, next time you write to Obama poease, don’t write such a beautiful letter, he dosen’t deserve the honor.

      P. S. the piggy gotten inougurated today for the second time and for the second time he took the oath to uphold the constitution to the best of his ability.

      Well, for the last four years he had not ability cause he was worried about getting re-elected.

      Now he’s not worried about so: “expecdt swift destruction”

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Manuel, my reply to you was removed, because it was on Spanish. Probably it’s their policy – no other language. Isn’t strange? All welfare and food-stamps recipients are receiving their mail on Spanish, Hindu, arabic, Polish and other languages. Maybe they are protecting themselves. Who knows, maybe I am a domestic terrorist.

        Barry O’Liar, Irish muslim, he is lying through his teeth each time he opens up his mouth and by his deceptive “oath” he just “heaps coals of fire on his head” (Pr.25:22)

        “Do not be deceived, God IS NOT MOCKED; for WHATEVER A MAN SOWS, THAT HE WILL ALSO REAP.” (Galatians 6)

        But In this mad times there is ONE good news. For the FIRST time on the February 15, 2013 the SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR OBAMA ELIGIBILITY CASE!

        It was reviewed by the chief justice (John Roberts) and he PERSONALLY referred it to the full court.
        Dec 11 2012 Application (12A606) for a stay, submitted to Justice Kennedy
        Dec 13 2012 Application (12A606) DENIED by Justice Kennedy
        Dec 26 2012 Application (12A606) REFILED and SUBMITTED to The Chief Justice
        Jan 9 2013 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of February 15, 2013
        Jan 9 2013 Application (12A606) REFERRED to the Court

        Go here: youtube.com/watch?v=5nKM27IcbGs

        Pray to Almighty God for America. The Usurper must be removed from the Office and sent to Jail.

        May God’s grace and favor be upon America again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

    Home invasion by 5 thugs 2 residents shoot 2 and 3 flee they came with enough man power to subdue the residents but they were prepared to defend their home and persons.

    • eddie47d

      Good for them but was that an actual event or last nights dream. Where and when? Go read Do Guns Make You Safe by Mariane Delman. For every time a gun is used in the home someone is injured or killed which may be obvious. Yet for every act of self defense from criminal assault there are 11 cases of suicides,kids picking up a gun and shooting someone,domestic disputes or other unintentional injuries (such as cleaning a weapon). Not a very good average for gun owners. She also says that a gun in the home makes the likelihood of a homicide happening 3 times greater than in a home without a gun. I would say that is gambling and not very good average either. Also people going through with a suicide are 4 times greater than a non gun home. You certainly have a right to self defense but its not always as scared or glamorous as some of your portray.

      • daleh

        who is Marianne Delman ??

      • JUKEBOX

        Eddie, at the risk of destroying the few brain cells you have left, you might want to listen to or watch Hannity for the answer to your question. He has cited many incidents, and had the people involved on his programs, kind of like Obama’s show and tell with the kids.

      • eddie47d

        Daleh: The author of that book.

      • eddie47d

        Jukebox: Then you can kindly go read Delman’s book and increase the number of “brain cells” you currently have. I hear you have extra storage from lack of usage!

      • truckjunkie

        Are those “statistics” you quote? Statistics are the second most unreliable proof of anything,because they can be manipulated to show any desired result,by using supporting figures and ignoring anything which is derogatory to the desired result. The only MORE unreliable “proof” is Wikipedia.

      • eddie47d

        Truck: What does Wikipedia have to do with it?

      • Vicki

        truckjunkie says (apparently to eddie47d):
        “Are those “statistics” you quote?

        Don’t worry about his statistics. They literally become irrelevant when this statistic is studied. It is the easiest statistic to verify too.

        ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.
        ( to verify look up US Population. Then look up total crimes with gun in the FBI database )

        Yet Eddie wants laws that only control those ~300 MILLION INNOCENT people by infringing on their natural right to defend themselves with the best tools for the job.

        Eddie’s desired laws also infringes on their right to buy and sell their own private property AND their right to posses and to carry that property.

        This is why I started pointing out that

        ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the actions of a few

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

    • GOP McGovern

      Considering a gun in your hand turns you into the proverbial “800lb gorilla”, I don’t care how many guys you have storming the house with baseball bats, the gorillas are going to win!

      • truckjunkie

        Picture a scenario where a home owner is invaded,in the early pre-daylight morning hours,by 5 thugs who all have semiautomatic handguns with high capacity magazines. At this point is it necessary for the home owner to have an extended capacity magazine for his 40 cal. semi auto? IF he can come from being asleep to “ready to defend” in the few seconds from hearing to door kicked in to the time the bedroom door flies open,in the dark,he has an average of 2 shots each to down these intruders before one gets a clean shot at him. At best,he’ll stop 4 of the 5 before the mag is empty. If he’d had the extended magazine,he’d still have a fighting chance to call the cops. Granted,that’s an extreme example,but it’s always better to have MORE than you needed than to fall short of enough by 1 shot. That last shot from an extended cap magazine really CAN be a life or death detail.

        • Nick Czudy

          Truck Junkie. You make a good point on that hypothetical situation. How often do 5 guys invade a house? How about having a few extra 10 shot mags. It would take you another 5 seconds to change the mag. Certainly that would restore your advantage. For the few times that this might happen, the overall benefits of having large mags restricted would be more beneficial. Just a thought. regards Nick Cz

          • truckjunkie

            It happened about 7 years ago,and believe me-when there are that many trying to kill you at once,there ISN’T time to reload. You think it’s a fluke that there were 5 of them all armed? You think it never happens? Fine-YOU go ahead and stick with the Government Approved 7 round mag. I hope you never have to find out how many shooters you can repel that way. May your aim be true.

      • eddie47d

        Truck you are another one watching too many gangster movies. I reckon Hollywood drives your thinking!

    • http://www.facebook.com/wayne.horton.90 Wayne Horton

      Yeah. I see no need for high-capacity mags. Surely criminals will take this into consideration when planning to rob us and cut us a break. In fact, I know they will. After all, those terrible things they went through in childhood that causes their criminal-like behavior also gives them compassion on their targets. Right? And the last four words of the 2nd amendment really don’t mean what those right-wingers think they do. Right?

    • nc

      Bill, give me your best estimate of how many unarmed thugs have broken into houses and used guns they found there to kill or injure the gun owners? Thousands of times over the years???More than the times gun owners have used their weapons to stop the intruder? Maybe?? Just asking! No one wants to deny the home owner the right to a weapon but neither do we want to see them provide the felons a weapon< Your have the right but don't let your right get you killed!
      What did Ron White say about his RIGHT to remain SILENT? He had the RIGHT, he just didn't have the ability!

      • CZ52

        “Bill, give me your best estimate of how many unarmed thugs have broken into houses and used guns they found there to kill or injure the gun owners? Thousands of times over the years???More than the times gun owners have used their weapons to stop the intruder? ”

        Several studies have shown that there are around 2,000,000 (thats TWO MILLION) defensive uses of firearms each year. I do believe that answers your question

      • Vigilant

        nc says, “Bill, give me your best estimate of how many unarmed thugs have broken into houses and used guns they found there to kill or injure the gun owners?”

        nc thinks it’s OK for a burglar to steal arms as long as he doesn’t kill the gun owner. No, dummy, they’re using that (now illegal) weapon or weapons to perpetrate crimes elsewhere and kill others.

      • Vicki

        NC writes:
        “No one wants to deny the home owner the right to a weapon but neither do we want to see them provide the felons a weapon”

        Note how nc tries to make THE INNOCENT be the guilty. Accusing the victim of robbery would be a new low but it is not new. AntiGun people have used that argument for years. That is why I have been stating forcefully:

        Last year (statistics often need a time reference to make sense):

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT PROVIDE FELONS A WEAPON.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Bill

        NC,
        It sounds like your argument is along the lines of “You are not smart enough to own a gun”

        I could make your points for you. Here is what you are trying to say in a nutshell:

        “Guns are bad, You are not smart enough to own one and it is for the children”

        We would have lees need for guns to protect ourselves if we could get rid of the lefts anti business policies which is has put the economy in the toilet and created more criminals that we need more guns to protect ourselves from.

        And don’t forget that Eddie said you should not have guns because we owe money to the Chinese and they want their money

      • Vicki

        Here is a link to eddie47d’s post about China:
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

    • Bill

      Hi Bill,
      That is a good example of why we need assault weapons with large mags for home protection

    • manuel rosa

      please forward to”

      Obama.com

  • dan

    Monday seems like a good day for target practice….for all of us Death Machines,LMAO

    • eddie47d

      I’m sure by now you’ve heard about James Yeager owner of Tactical Response which is a shooting range and training center. He said that “If even one item of gun control is passed I will immediately go out into the streets and start killing people” . He didn’t care who who killed but he had the right to do so. http://www.rawstory.com/unhinged or blogrunner.com /politics or on the site Crooks and Liars with Larry Klayman. I would say James Yeager is one of those gun owners who need a mental evaluation.

      • redd1958

        Eddie–You’re a Special Kind of Stupid, Aren’t you?? I home the Adults in your Family Don’t leave you Home Alone!!! You need a 24/7 watch on you to keep you from hurting yourself!! Does Braindeath Hurt very Bad Eddie?? Because you’re Terminal with it!!!

      • JUKEBOX

        Eddie has a terminal case of rectal/cranial inversion.

      • Vicki

        After all these years eddie47d FINALLY posts a link and it goes to 404 page not found. Sad.

        Meanwhile 1 against ~300 MILLION I would bet against the 1 except that the ~300 MILLION have had their RIGHT to keep and BEAR (as in have guns with them while on the street) arms seriously infringed.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • JeffH

        Vicki, what can you say…at least he tried to slip one by… although it was a complete failure.

        eddie “The webpage cannot be found”!

      • JeffH

        Now I must say that I agree with everything Yeager said EXCEPT the part where he said “If it goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people.”

        Here is what Yeager did say: “Vice President [Joe] Biden is asking the president to bypass Congress and use executive privilege, executive order to ban assault rifles and to impose stricter gun control,” Yeager explained in his video message. “F— that.”

        “I’m telling you that if that happens, it’s going to spark a civil war, and I’ll be glad to fire the first shot. I’m not putting up with it. You shouldn’t put up with it. And I need all you patriots to start thinking about what you’re going to do, load your damn mags, make sure your rifle’s clean, pack a backpack with some food in it and get ready to fight.”

        The CEO concluded: “I’m not f—— putting up with this. I’m not letting my country be ruled by a dictator. I’m not letting anybody take my guns! If it goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people.”
        Raw Story (http://s.tt/1yf6S)

        Gun grabbers be forwarned…It could get real ugly real quick and there are millions of gun owners that feel very close to
        the same way Yeager does.

        DON’T TREAD ON ME!
        μολὼν λαβέ
        ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
        molṑn labé

        • Nick Czudy

          Jeff. It seems to me that Yeager should be the first to have his guns taken away. The gun fanatics that claim to want to fight till the guns are pried from their cold fingers, are the ones that should have their guns taken away. They claim they follow the Constitution, but they boast of killing and fighting against their elected officials. This thinking of some interpretations of the 2nd amendment are troubling. I see no where, that it says that they need to fight against laws by their guns. this needs to be cleared up.

      • JeffH

        Nick, who cares what you think, certainly not me. James Yeager is being punished for his outlandish “start killing” comment.

        Tennessee’s Homeland Security office revoked the handgun carry permit of James Yeager, CEO of Tactical Response, due to a “material likelihood of risk of harm to the public.” Yeager posted an edited version of the video with his threat cut out, and an apologetic video alongside his lawyer, but officials say his permit suspension is still in the mail.

        Then, in your best anti-gun, anti-Constitutional zealousness say:

        “The gun fanatics that claim to want to fight till the guns are pried from their cold fingers, are the ones that should have their guns taken away. They claim they follow the Constitution, but they boast of killing and fighting against their elected officials. This thinking of some interpretations of the 2nd amendment are troubling. I see no where, that it says that they need to fight against laws by their guns. this needs to be cleared up.”

        Nick, point out who these “gun fanatics” are that are boasting about killing their elected officials? Oh, you can’t? Thought so! Another anti-gun nuts interpretation I see.

      • JeffH

        Nick, I’ll try to show you why you are wrong and the Constitution does play a role, through the 2nd Amendment, to define the tools to fight a tyrannical government attempting to disarm or supress it’s citizens. Make no mistake, that is Obama’s ultimate goal.

        100,000,000 +- gun owners are the only thing standing in the way of Obama achieving that goal.

        ARTICLE II
        A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

        “A well regulated Militia”: In 1982 the Senate Judiciary Committee Sub-committee on the Constitution stated in Senate Document 2807:

        “That the National Guard is not the ‘Militia’ referred to in the Second Amendment is even clearer today. Congress had organized the National Guard under its power to ‘raise and support armies’ and not its power to ‘Provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia.’ The modern National Guard was specifically intended to avoid status as the constitutional militia, a distinction recognized by 10 U.S.C. 311(a).

        Title 32 U.S.C. in July 1918 completely altered the definition of the militia and its service, who controls it and what it is. The difference between the National Guard and Regular Army was swept away, and became a personnel pay folder classification only, thus nationalizing the entire National Guard into the Regular Standing Armies of the United States.”

        The Unorganized Militia consists of all able bodied persons of the nation and of the states between the ages of 17 and 44, and is exclusive of all members of the organized militia, i.e., the Armed Forces of the Federal Government of the United States and of the National Guards of the various states of the Union.
        The classes of the militia are -

        1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

        (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

        “being necessary to the security of a free State,”

        In the Colonial Declaration of Rights of October 19, 1765 it was complained that Kings had disarmed the people. Of course the colonists were by force of early circumstances bearers of arms. This prohibition upon the Nation means that it can never interfere with the people who make the militia of the States; and that therefore the States will always have the means to check by physical force any usurpation of authority not given to the Nation by the Constitution.

        “the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”

        The Founders of our Nation and the Framers of the Constitution were well aware of the dangers of the tyranny and treason of a run-away governmental bureaucracy and had a very PRIMARY reason for the inclusion of the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Let’s let them speak for themselves:

        “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispenable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” — George Washington, Commanding General of the Continental Army, Father of Our Country and First President of the United States in a speech to Congress, January 7, 1790

        “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government.” — Thomas Jefferson, Author of The Declaration of Independence, and Third President of the United States

        “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Thomas Jefferson

        “It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.” —- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson
        http://www.barefootsworld.net/article2.html

        I suggest you educate yourself rather than say something equally ignorant.

        • Nick Czudy

          Jeff. I read and appreciate your articles and quotes. You started off right away with a submission that it is Obama’s intention to disarm all Americans. this right away is an unsubstantiated opinion of the right that has never been proved. He has never said or written anything about taking everyone’s guns. He has spoken of respecting the 2nd amendment. So why is it the common rant that the gun people keep saying that. I will respect your opinions if you did not put words and intentions into Obama’s. mouth that he has never said or intends to do. He also has shown a respect for telling the truth and this is just false. Please stop saying things that are not true. I have heard this so many times from the gun lobby and supporters. You lose your credibility when you lie. the 100 million gun owners again is pure bull S**t. that are keeping Obama from taking away all of the guns. It is not in his written 23 proposals to congress and it has never been spoken anywhere.

          I would think that an Unorganized militia is not a “Well regulated militia” A well regulated militia is in my books a organized public form of militia. So your premise that it refers to all ordinary citizens may be debated.

          Also these forms of unregulated militia could be said that they are no longer necessary to protect a free state. You all have state police and National guard to do that. At the time that it was written, the country did not have formal militia everywhere and called upon the people to help protect the land. Now a days we have the National guard that are called upon this duty as well as the state police.

          In the Colonial Declaration of Rights of October 19, 1765, the situation of the country was a lot different than now. The military and the government was regulated by the constitution and the constitution gives the authority to it to regulate these issues.

          Again the words “Bear arms” are ambiguous. At the time the normal gun was a musket. Maybe the army had a Gatling gun or a canon. I am not sure. So what kind of arms are they referring to? I do not think that it means RPGs or Bazookas, or tanks or artillery? If we restrict assault weapons and allow all other guns, then your rights to bear arms would not be infringed. It is ambiguous. It needs to be updated and clarified.

          But thanks for your info and quotes. I did learn a few things. But it is ambiguous and if you take the state of the union at the date that it was written, we have to take the situation that existed at that time and extrapolate it to today’s time. It needs to be updated. there are too many different interpretations on its wording.

          regards

          Nick Cz

          • truckjunkie

            If I may throw my 2 cents in;
            When the Second Amendment was written,there were many different guns available from many Countries. Some were excellent weapons for that time,as today,and some were “junk”. Since the Organized Militia (The Military) generally outfitted their troops with the best weapons available,one would expect every Citizen would also have access to the best available,or at least the best they could afford,and the best suited to their needs. There were never any restrictions included,this was accepted as standard procedure. Today,Citizens continue to desire to own,if not the best weapons available at least the best they can afford,and the best suited for their needs. There STILL is no restriction written in the Second Amendment,and none can be assumed. As such,American Citizens actually CAN own AK-47′s,but the Government has already violated the Second Amendment by “inferring” a restriction into our Second Amendment,in the form of requiring a special license and extra costs for this Right. In this,and ALL cases,two Wrongs do NOT make a Right. No pun intended. Taken at face value,Americans have a Right to own,carry and use whatever weapons they may choose,based on their suitability for the perceived needs and purposes of the Citizen With this Administration’s frequent ignoring of the Peoples ‘Rights,and the tenets of the US Constitution in general,I CHOOSE to have weaponry at LEAST equal to anything my Government may bring against ME. I have THAT Right. If you truly believe Obama’s EO’s are not keeping us from owning the guns of our choosing,what do you consider the list of guns to be “outlawed”?
            Over-simplified,it’s like saying,”We’re not using vehicle control-you can still own whatever car you want,as long as it’s on our list of approved makes,models,and colors. What if the one you want or the one that’s best for your needs isn’t on the list? Too bad-we don’t like that one-it’s scary and we don’t like that color.” The Government has no authority to tell US what car,shovel,cereal bowl,golf club or gun is the best for US. Please feel free to NOT own any damned gun you choose,but DON’T mistake YOUR choice for a right to make MY choice for me.

          • Nick Czudy

            truck Junkie.
            thanks for that explanation. It seems like a fair point.

            I am not a lawyer, I am not a Constitution Historian, nor am I an English professor.
            What I have read over the last two weeks, on the above issue, is that the 2nd is a little ambiguous and the country is a Republic. One of the main points of a republic is the free support of the constitution and the country by all the people. Another point of a republic is that the people will honor the laws that have been made by its elected government.
            Yet there are many here that want to leave the union. Tthere are many here that have also gone against many points in the constitution while claiming to honor its words.

            I also have read in some parts of the constitution, that the feds can make laws and regulate issues, within the country. What it sounded like to me, was if the government makes laws, that clarity or restrict certain things, then it is correct and in line with the constitution. That was also written in the constitution.
            After all, aren’t there certain types of weapons restricted now? For example. machine automatic guns? If the answer is yes, then they would also be able to restrict others as they are developed or as time moves on.

            I think that the issue is so complicated that it would take a barn full of lawyers and experts to come up with the answer.

            But disregarding the historical or constitutional issues, the gun issue in the US is not working and something has to change. So my common sense says that we need to make some changes.

      • CZ52

        “I would think that an Unorganized militia is not a “Well regulated militia” A well regulated militia is in my books a organized public form of militia.”

        Well regulated as used in the 2nd amendment means well prepared. In other words they were expected to have in their posession a personal firearm in working condition. They were expected to be familiar with it and be able to shoot it with reasonable accuracy. They were also, if called to duty, expected to have 100 rounds of ammunition for their firearm. they were expected to have a certain minimum amount of food and a blanket. that is what well regulated meant as it applies to the second amendment. It does NOT mean a well organized spit an polish militia such as the National Guard.

      • JeffH

        Nick, you wouldn’t know a lie if it hit you in the face and your opinion is pretty much meaningless in this debate.

        Young Senator Obama was asked, during his first presidential campaign, a simple question about his supporting gun bans.

        His answer was typically veiled, less than convincing and he never answered the question.

        “If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it,” Obama said. But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.
        So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,” he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns.”

        “If you’ve got a gun in your house I’m not taking it,”

        Obama said. But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.

        Take note of that line in parenthesis. The gun is in your house, meaning you own it, Obama says nothing about going out and purchasing a new firearm. He’s not really lying in that statement, he probably won’t be sending the authorities to kick down your door and empty your gun cabinet. Which is all irrelevant, because that isn’t what the lady asked. She asked if Obama was going to support gun bans. Let’s look at the rest of the quote,

        So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,” he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns.”

        Again, Obama didn’t answer her question, he’s answering a question about confiscation policy, she’s asking about bans which would prevent purchase of certain (perhaps all?) firearms. This is a tricky rhetorical device to avoid answering her question. He won’t answer her question, she won’t say if he’ll pursue bans.

        Obama could easily have answered yes or no but he didn’t.
        Don’t you find it the least bit suspicious that a question about supporting gun bans turns into an answer about gun confiscation? Why would he even make a comment about “gun confiscation” if the idea weren’t on his mind.

        Why has Obama thrown his support behind the proposed UN Small Arms Treaty?

        From The Washington Times: American gun owners might not feel besieged, but they should. This week, the Obama administration announced its support for the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. This international agreement poses real risks for freedom both in the United States and around the world by making it more difficult – if not outright illegal – for law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

        The U.N. claims that guns used in armed conflicts cause 300,000 deaths worldwide every year, an inordinate number of which are the result of internal civil strife within individual nations. The solution proposed by transnationalists to keep rebels from getting guns is to make the global pool of weapons smaller through government action. According to recent deliberations regarding the treaty, signatory countries would be required to “prevent, combat and eradicate” various classes of guns to undermine “the illicit trade in small arms.” Such a plan would necessarily lead to confiscation of personal firearms.

        Confiscation. That is the inevitable result of the UN Small Arms Treaty. In order to confiscate the guns you have to know who has them, that’s why registration is always the first step to confiscation.

        This may seem like a reasonable solution to governments that don’t trust their citizens, but it represents a dangerous disregard for the safety and freedom of everybody. First of all, not all insurgencies are bad. As U.S. history shows, one way to get rid of a despotic regime is to rise up against it. That threat is why authoritarian regimes such as Syria, Cuba, Rwanda, Vietnam, Zimbabwe and Sierra Leone endorse gun control.

        Political scientist Rudy Rummel estimates that the 15 worst regimes during the 20th century killed 151 million of their own citizens, which works out to 1.5 million victims per year. Even if all 300,000 annual deaths from armed conflicts can be blamed on the small-arms trade (which they cannot), governments are a bigger threat to most people than their neighbors.

        This is the REAL reason the UN want the Small Arms Treaty. You can’t control an armed population.

        This U.N. treaty will lead to more gun control in America. “After the treaty is approved and it comes into force, you will find out that it has this implication or that implication and it requires the Congress to adopt some measure that restricts ownership of firearms,” former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton warns. “The [Obama] administration knows it cannot obtain this kind of legislation purely in a domestic context. … They will use an international agreement as an excuse to get domestically what they couldn’t otherwise.”

        The U.N. Small Arms Treaty opens a back door for the Obama administration to force through gun control regulations. Threats to the Second Amendment are as real today as ever.

        Gun control is about control, not guns.

        100,000,000 million gun owners +- are the reason why Obama cannot ban semi-auto rifles and shotguns or even consider seriously confiscating guns.

        That’s not a lie, that is pure fact!

      • Vicki

        JeffH writes:
        “That’s not a lie, that is pure fact!”

        Here is another fact that the anti-gun crowd hates. In the last year:

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE

        So we need to spread the word far and wide

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Jana

        JeffH,
        You are so right. If it wasn’t on his mind in the first place then why did he answer like that?
        Because that is what he really wants to do. These things are always started in small steps. The first step is to get SOME of the people on their side.
        We already see that’s working with some of the representation we see on this site at present of the ” not too brights”. They are falling for it and swallowing it hook line and sinker. We always have the gullible.

      • JeffH

        Jana, you are correct.

        Also, did you know that~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        WE NEED TO TELL THEM TO STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT

        STOP IT NOW

    • manuel rosa

      I have heard Obama say more than once. “the buck stops here” Its to bad he din’t stop
      the trillions of dollars from flying out the window.
      then that wouldn’t acomplixh his desire. oops, anot subj for another time.

      • manuel rosa

        I heard Obama say the buck stops here, and the terrorist he sent home. wonder how much he paid them?

  • Carroll

    I like this guy. It’s amazing that you can mix truth with facts and it comes out comedy. Oh……it only works when there’s a democrat in it. I get it.

    • Vigilant

      No, woman, you don’t get it. Apparently you’ve never watched Bill Mahar.

      • JUKEBOX

        Bill Mahr is about as funny as a trailer load of dead Tsunami victims.

      • Karolyn

        Maher and Ben Crystal are on the same level.

      • Average Joe

        Karolyn,
        “Maher and Ben Crystal are on the same level.”

        That is strictly a matter of personal opinion.

        AJ

      • truckjunkie

        Mahr and Crystal are nothing alike-Crystal is actually Funny. Mahr thinks he’s funny,but HE’S the only one amused.

      • Nick Czudy

        it was David Letterman that said on an interview one night. His business is comedy. And the political arena is the richest source of material to make jokes on. He said that the GOP and Right Wing, provided the most material. If they did not do what they did, he would be out of business as comedian. Bill Mahar, Steven Colbert, Jon Stewart, and others are hilarious. They can take the serious statements that our politicians make and turn them in to funny jokes. I love them.

        One of the classic shows was Jon Stewart , earlier this week, going over the Obama rule to appoint a director of the ATF. He showed a GOP Congressman, make a statement of letting the ATF handle any gun issues. Then there was a clip 6 years ago of that same congressman, slipping an amendment in to a finance bill restricting the head of the ATF to be confirmed in congress. There has not been a full time director of the ATF for 6 years. We have a part time one that commutes from Minnesota. Then three was another GOP congressman that added another item in another bill that restricted the ATF from visiting gun stores more than once per year. They also could not release any studies on gun violence to the public. Isn’t that convenient. First the GOP and the NRA strip any authority from the ATF making it a neutered agency, then they make a statement that the police should let the ATF police any gun issues. Isn’t that convenient? typical GOP. It is time that we need to stop having the NRA make our gun laws for us. Let these new laws come from the people and it duly elected officials. We all know how the NRA would run things if they were allowed.

  • Kate8

    Well, as expected, there is a lot more dastardly purpose behind disarming Americans than anyone could have thought.

    Just why ARE the Chinese demanding our guns be removed?

    It seems that there is not limit to Obama’s treachery. It runs deeper than we can imagine.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52504

    • eddie47d

      Maybe China has a right to be nervous with our debt increasing and that they may not get paid back. Considering all the gun deaths in America they may also be concerned about fewer Americans will be there to help pay off that debt. aka: You can’t squeeze blood out of a dead turnip.

      • JUKEBOX

        No, no, no Eddie, the Chinese want to make sure there are no individuals to defend our country, when they come to foreclose on our debt. Wake up!

      • eddie47d

        You didn’t like my sarcasm Jukebox? Your opinion could also be a valid possibility so I’m fully awake.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Maybe China has a right to be nervous with our debt increasing and that they may not get paid back. Considering all the gun deaths in America they may also be concerned about fewer Americans will be there to help pay off that debt. aka: You can’t squeeze blood out of a dead turnip.”

        Thus you see eddie47d’s real intent. IT is to ENSLAVE YOU. Notice he mysteriously leaves out China’s worry about all the other deaths that might be of concern.

        Meanwhile.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Bill

        That’s a pretty stupid remark about the Chinese, Eddie.
        So you are saying that it’s ok to let the Chinese tell us we need more gun control because we owe them money and they don’t want us killing more of us until they get their money?

        You are really grasping for anything to say to sell your lies about gun confiscation

        You are really stupid to say such a remark.

      • eddie47d

        Vickie: Are you a psychoanalyst or just a plain old psycho? Boring!!

      • eddie47d

        I never said what you said about me Bill so go back in the basement and play with your toys. Thank goodness your aren’t an educator anywhere or America would be in even worse shape.

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Vickie: Are you a psychoanalyst or just a plain old psycho? Boring!!”

        Ad hominem. Boring. (Yawn)

        Btw did you know that ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anyone today?

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        Stop it. Please.
        STOP IT NOW.

      • vicki

        eddie47d says to Bill:
        “I never said what you said about me Bill so go back in the basement and play with your toys.”

        Ad Hominem.

        Did you know that ~5 MILLION Americans living in Denver Colorado have NEVER shot up a theater?

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Get over it polly parrot Vickie it ain’t working no more!

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Awww! Poor little Union thug commie eddie47donkey! Vicki is getting on your nerves like everyone in this board getting on your nerves!

      • eddie47d

        Hardly Mexican and your proof of the pudding in exposing the callous and benign attitudes of Conservatives. Bring it on but please show some intelligence at least once in awhile.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Get over it polly parrot Vickie it ain’t working no more!”

        It’s working just fine eddie. As evidenced by your more recent posts in this thread.

        And please take note that though they have a LOT of guns:

        ~26 MILLION Texas residents DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • manuel rosa

        I just realized where the democrats got the idea about disarming america for safety.

        Johhy carson show Jonny said. 55 saves lives. we could go to 45 and save a few more.
        Oh what the heck just ban cars and save them all.

      • Vicki

        the date on his china post was January 19, 2013 at 9:42 am in this very thread btw

    • Walter & Renee Agard

      Why are you all so stressed out on Guns. you sounded you have so much hate on your mind. How can anybody trust you with a gun. also what is the purpose of anyone of anyone having an assault rifle except the army?. Who are you going to fight a war with?

      • redd1958

        LOL…..You’re still calling them “Assault Weapons”!!! Just proves your Knowledge and Scope on the Issue!!! You’re too uninformed to even be in an Intelligent Discussion about it!!
        But since you asked, What would you do if 10 masked Robbers Busted into your Home, and you only have a 6 or 8 shot Revolver?? Would you just Scream like a Little Girl for the Police, and Hope they Show up before all 10 of them Gang Rape Renee or Shoot you Both in the head?? Would you feel better about being Unarmed then??
        People like you, that think something like that will never happen to them are still in abundance I see!! But it Happens Every Day WALTER!!!!
        Besides that, Our Constitution Guarantees that We can Own them if we Want them!! It doesn’t say that we Have to Debate the Issue with Idiots Like You or Obama!!!

      • JimH

        Is this Walter or Renee?, What is the purpose of having a semi-auto rifle?
        To defend ourselves from a tyranical government.
        Study history and find out the reason of the 2nd amendment.
        Be wary of the politition who is afraid of you being armed.

      • redd1958

        ________________________________

      • Meathead

        The knuckleheads in the government and mainstream media use
        the term “assault rifle” without having any idea as to what they are
        speaking of. Speaking out of ignorance, they facilitate a lie.

        The truth about assault rifles:
        Copy and paste into your address bar.
        youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0&NR=1

        The truth about AR-15 / AK-47 fire power:
        Copy and paste into your address bar.
        youtube.com/watch?v=Vgr3kTU68uw&NR=1

      • Kate8

        The term “assault rifle” is just another one of those trick words to sway people’s (liberal’s) thinking. Any weapon can be an assault weapon if it is used to assault: sticks, stones, knives, etc.)

        eddie – No doubt this is the case with China. My beef is not with China, but with our own government, specifically Obama right now, which has sold our country to them. I doubt you ever read the article, or you wouldn’t have made such a stupid statement.

        The whole matter is (and has been) unlawful, unConstitutional (like they care) and treasonous.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t be a bat Kate 8 as Blind As A Bat! Yes America has alot of debt but most of the debt to China was put there by Reagan,Bush,Clinton and Bush. Obama just prints up more money to cover his debt.

      • eddie47d

        Liberals aren’t confused on the term Assault Weapon you all. Heck I can Assault you with a .22 or a Derringer. Many semi-automatic are equally as volital and dangerous as a traditional Assault Weapon so I don’t see enough difference to sugar coat either. Remember James Holmes carried and used two 50 round magazines (barrels) in his weapon. That would equal 100 rounds for those of you who can’t count!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d slips up and exposes the actual anti-gun agenda by saying:
        “Liberals aren’t confused on the term Assault Weapon you all. Heck I can Assault you with a .22 or a Derringer. Many semi-automatic are equally as volital and dangerous as a traditional Assault Weapon so I don’t see enough difference to sugar coat either.”

        But we always knew eddie was lying when he claimed he didn’t want your guns.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Read into it what you want Vickie you always do anyway. LOL!

      • JeffH

        Vicki says “But we always knew eddie was lying when he claimed he didn’t want your guns.”

        Vicki, correction, we all knew eddie was lying long before that. Years ago we all knew eddie was a liar.

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Read into it what you want Vickie you always do anyway. LOL!”

        Why thank you but I don’t need to. You wrote it rather plainly.

      • eddie47d

        Sorry Jeff H I forgot my barf bag …did I get alittle on your shoe… you lying troll!

      • JeffH

        eddie is the only and original PARROT here at PLD.

        eddie the Repeat Talking Parrot is the most obedient bird a liberal can buy! Just tell him any phrase, and he repeats it back to you. Practice your Liberal doublespeak! Interrogates conservatives with double ineffectiveness! eddie comes with his own hanging perch, batteries not included.

        EDDIE WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkk!

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        • Nick Czudy

          There are a lot of angry right wing gun patriots here that are getting very angry. They start by calling names, then they rant, and last I suppose they start foaming at the mouth. I think that their names need to be added to the gun restricted lists. I would not want to be around them when they get like this. :)

      • TML

        They are getting upset for the same reason they would get upset about restrictions and regulation of the 1st Amendment. Infringement of any natural right guarded by the Bill of Rights should be met with animosity and resistence.

        As for the so-called assault weapon, the most practical reason for civilians to own them for self-defense is protection against mobs and riots, as was done during the L.A. riots in 1992. But also, an, historically, for the purpose of defending against enemies foreign and domestic. It renders the reality that a foreign country would be stupid to invade the mainland of the U.S.

      • JeffH

        Nick Czudy, I see you are one of the progressive hypocrits yourself. You have no problem calling gun owners names do you you hypocrit! You don’t know diddly squat about anything you say about guns or gun owners. You are just repeating what you been spoon fed to believe.

        You have nothing to fear but fear itself!

        • Nick Czudy

          Jeff. And why would anyone want to believe anything that you say?

        • Nick Czudy

          Jeff. I do not call anyone names. I describe characteristics only. regards Nick Cz PS I have to go out. be back in three hours.

      • JeffH

        Nick, just an FYI…you’re beginning to sound a little like eddie. That’s not a good thing either.

      • JeffH

        Nick, to a point I’ll withdraw my erronious accustion of you calling “gun owners” names but I won’t withraw or opologise for calling you a hypocrit because you are. If you remember, you called me a liar when I did not lie.

        “Please stop saying things that are not true. I have heard this so many times from the gun lobby and supporters. You lose your credibility when you lie.”

        As far as losing my credibility goes, it is only the liberals and progressives that keep their heads buried in dark place and won’t admit that what I’ve said is either backed up with irrefutable facts or strong arguements of opinion that have no recourse but to make such a false statement.

        Don’t bother responding because I’m done with you. I’ve made my case, a strong case based on facts and very formidable opinions, while you continue to teeter with all of the anti-gun propaganda you’ve been duped into believing.

        You have nothing to fear but fear itself! The propagandists refer to people much like yourself as “usefull idiots”.

        ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anybody
        We are tired of being punished for the acts of a few.

        STOP IT.
        STOP IT NOW.

      • JeffH

        Nick says “There are a lot of angry right wing gun patriots here that are getting very angry.”

        What? Why won’t you also include the angry “left wing” gun owning patriots that are getting angry over this issue? How about all of the left wing Dems that don’t support and will resist Obama’s gun grabbing agenda? Food for though!

        You have nothing to fear but fear itself!

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Is that a brain freeze Jeff H or strictly plagiarizing from Vickie? LOL!

      • JeffH

        eddie, yes I am plagiarizing Vicki’s work.

        Vicki, if you are offended by this please let me know and I’ll stop.

        Now eddie, I answered your question honestly so I’d expect you would answer this question for me…and honestly.

        eddie, is your stupidity natural or do you have to work hard for it?
        _______________________________________________

        FYI, tonight I’ll be posting a new poll questioning eddie’s honesty here at PLD.

      • Vicki

        JeffH says:
        “eddie, yes I am plagiarizing Vicki’s work.

        Vicki, if you are offended by this please let me know and I’ll stop.”

        I hearby officially release into the public domain

        ———————————————————-
        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW
        _____________________________________

        Spread it far and wide. Let the people know that we do not
        have to be punished for the acts of a few.

      • Vicki

        JeffH btw that also means that you can make any derivative works of it.
        Oh and of course I will not be offended by you (or anyone else) spreading the truth.

        A note to eddie. Look up “fair use”.

      • Jana

        eddie,

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • JeffH

        Vicki, :)

      • manuel rosa

        congradulations Walter: Spoken like an idiot!

    • truckjunkie

      …And you expected something DIFFERENT??

  • Jamie

    Thanks again Ben : }

  • JoAnn Dolberg

    Vigilant….you do not need to be concerned about the doctors in this country….obamacare is eliminating them too!

    • eddie47d

      Oh Yes I can hear it now JoAnn “death panels for doctors”!

    • Vigilant

      Absolutely correct. I expect the mortality rate to DECREASE as a result.

      • Vigilant

        My response was to JoAnn.

    • manuel rosa

      thats right brother, Obama care is going to take care of everythingggggg!

  • eddyjames

    The trick is to make them try to take your guns with their cold dead fingers.

    • JimH

      Or remove our HOT lead from their cold dead a$$.

      • eddie47d

        Hey Jim H does than mean more business for those killer doctors or the mortician? LOL!

      • JimH

        Hi eddie, don’t forget the lead miners.

  • Meathead

    What a surprise! Our President, VP, and NY’s wonderful Governor LIED TO US, to forward their political agenda! I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE, DON’T YOU?
    Be sure to watch this video to its end. It is from MSNBC

    SPREAD THIS!!!!!!
    So they finally had to come out and admit it, now that the Coroner has released some info along with Police. An AR-15 Rifle or the so-called “Assault Weapon” was not used in the school shooting. The shooter even tried weeks earlier to buy a Rifle but was turned down in the background check. So he had to kill his Mother to steal her rifle. There were initial reports right after the shooting, that Police found the AR-15 Rifle in his car, NOT IN THE SCHOOL. The Rifle was not used. The Shooter went into the school with 4 handguns. Not an Assault Rifle as the media has charged. I remember in the intitial hours of this shooting, the Police said they found the Rifle in the car. But the News Media had a Pre-Planned Attack already waiting, to ban so-called assault weapons and jumped on that line of reporting, knowing it was a lie. Including people like Piers Morgan who said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as if it were a machine gun. Could it be that the Democrat Liberals and the Media were pushing for the new law, hoping they could do it, before the Coroner released the info. I’m betting on it.
    http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

    • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

      Shhh! The Gringo Libtards will foam from their mouths! They will never accept the truth, They don’t care they just want to ban guns or lets just say making it impossible for law abiding regular americans to own a gun! When a Libtard hears the so call assault rifle used in a crime or not, Libtards will make every effort to ban them, So we regular law abiding americans will be defenseless while the bad guys have bigger firepower, and the corrupt govt goons have bigger firepower! and The white devils commie Libtards want to make Mag rounds hold 10 or less bullets? geee! The bad guys will have bigger rounds same as crooked govt goons! , they want us at a disadvantage! It will force Law abiding people to buy guns from a black market(look at the war on drugs users buy drugs from black market dealers, So war on guns will fail) so we can even the odds when all hell break lose!

    • JUKEBOX

      Never forget, the louder the Libs scream about guns, the more ignorant the audience they are trying to reach. The advertising agencies have used this tactic for years.

    • eddie47d

      The Internet is full of reports of which guns were used at Sandy Hook and most still say 3 weapons were found inside the school. theintelhub.com reports as of 21 hours ago its still the .223 Bushmaster, a Glock 10mm and the Sig Sauer P226-9mm. A Canta 12 gauge shotgun was found in the car. The same kinds of weapons reported earlier so unless any of you have solid proof that say differently then the numerous other reports are still more believable. Meatheads is the first of reporting 4 handguns.

      • Bill

        But don’t forget that Eddie said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money

        I am not going to let you forget that you made such a dumb remark, Eddie

        Your credibility just went to minus 100

      • eddie47d

        I didn’t say that Bill so that make you a pathetic liar no different than Jeff H.

      • JeffH

        Bill, see, he’ll continue to lie that he ever made any comment to that effect. Of course, anyone who saw eddie’s line of comments defending China for asking the US to ban guns knows otherwise.

        eddie, we all know what a liar you are and what Bill has said is not a untrue.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        • Nick Czudy

          300 MILLION Americans DID’T SHOOT ANYONE.
          200 MILLION Americans DO NOT CARRY GUNS.
          STOP SHOOTING US LOCK UP YOUR GUNS
          STOP SHOOTING THE INNOCENT.
          STOP IT
          STOP IT NOW

      • Bill

        Eddie, its in your posts
        I copied it and saved it, Here is exactly what you said:

        “Maybe China has a right to be nervous with our debt increasing and that they may not get paid back. Considering all the gun deaths in America they may also be concerned about fewer Americans will be there to help pay off that debt. aka: You can’t squeeze blood out of a dead turnip.”

        Sounds to me that you are defending China’s telling us we need more gun control, which is coming from a government that has total confiscation. looking at the words above it sure sounds like you are saying the we need to give up our guns because we owe China money.

        What do all of the other posters on this site think of Eddies famous China comments?

      • JeffH

        Bill, you certainly have done yourself well by keeping a copy of eddie’s words defending China’s request and yes, he is most certainly a liar extraordinaire.

      • JeffH

        Nick, like most liberals, you’re starting to lose it. Get hold of yourself darn it!
        You have nothing to fear but fear itself. :)

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Treacherous BIll and Jeff the parrot. Never said what Bill is suggesting so read what you want into it. Two lying trolls don’t equal one fact dipsticks!

      • JeffH

        eddie, the proof has been posted above by Bill.
        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • manuel rosa

        Nick you knocklhead/meathead I’l be nice to you on this one. Supposing your home with your family but yesterday the gov took everyone’s guns including yours so no one has guns.

        Now someone a criminal just walked into your house and you notice he has a gun in his hand and he begins to torture your family and rapes your daughter and there you sit totaty helpless. can’t do [expletive deleted] cause the gunman knows you have nothing to defend your family with. don’t you at least wish just a littly that the gov. hadn’t come by and forced you to turn in your guns.

        • Nick Czudy

          Manuel.

          I did as you suggested, and thanks for not starting by calling me names. I appreciate that and have a higher opinion of you now.
          Well if that burglar entered my house, I would pull out my revolver or shotgun and protect my family. I might also pull my security alarm and threaten the burglar to hopefully make him think twice of entering and make him leave. After all it is a pain in the a*s to have to repair bullet hole damage all over my house.

          There are no proposals or presidential initiatives that plan to take away all of our guns. I would still have everything that I would need for protection, or recreation. A few shots of my shotgun would level the playing field, even if the criminal had an assault weapon. As we all know, that they will not necessarily respect the law, so they may come packing with assault style weapons with large magazines. But in a few years, if this law gets passed, those assault weapons will get harder to obtain and there will be better chances that they will come in with a handgun or a sawed off shotgun and I will be able to have all of these to defend my family.
          The one thing that I have noticed that is espoused on this site and with organizations like the NRA and the National Assoc. for Gun Rights,(of whom I am on both of their mailing lists) is that they like to seed doom and gloom, by always saying that all gun rights will be obliterated and all our guns will be taken away. I am sure that we all know that will never happen and that is not what is being proposed. So lets drop that line of defense. Please.

          As some one famously once said, “the only thing that we have to fear is fear itself.” That is what is happening. We are afraid of being afraid. So if you drop the premise that all of our guns will be taken away, then can we discuss some progress forward in ways to take guns out of the hands of criminal, terrorists and people not mentally fit to own guns. Also ways to store and secure guns to keep them out of the hands of our kids and robbers, who might want to steal them. If we are creative and realistic, I am sure that we can tweak our current state of gun ownership laws, so that they will cut down on the number of deaths that occur, at the end of a gun.
          I am sure that we can do it. best regards Nick Cz

      • Vicki

        Nick Czudy says:
        “300 MILLION Americans DID’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        Good. Making progress. A little work on spelling but that is not my strong suit either. I do have spell check turned on. :)

        - Nick Czudy: “200 MILLION Americans DO NOT CARRY GUNS.”

        Please to offer evidence. Lots of people might carry guns and lots others might own but not carry. (you know that keep part?)

        - Nick Czudy: “STOP SHOOTING US LOCK UP YOUR GUNS”
        - Nick Czudy: “STOP SHOOTING THE INNOCENT.”
        - Nick Czudy: “STOP IT”
        - Nick Czudy: “STOP IT NOW”

        Now I just know that those few who ignore the laws will be shaking in their boots when they hear you want them to to lock up their guns.

        Meanwhile

        ~300 MILLION Americans DID’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP punishing THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        See how it works? If you don’t stop punishing us we will KNOW that YOU are the ones who don’t obey the law (US Constitution, The SUPREME Law of this land). You will have proven by your disobedience that YOU are the criminals.

        (The astute reader will notice the attempt to co-opt the statistic to try and demonize the law abiding but I don’t think they will find it will work very well. They are welcome to try though. But since the law abiding already don’t shoot the innocent :) I don’t expect it to work for them. )

      • Vicki

        Actually Nick I thought of a video that will show you how well your plan will work.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dg_AcBeHgo

        It’s only 2 min long and entertaining.

        • Nick Czudy

          HI Vicki,.
          thanks for the link. I did watch it. I have already seen it. I have been on the mailing list for Front Sight and its founder, Dr Ignatius Piazza for more than a year. If I could afford it I would take his courses. But not everything that he says rings home with me.
          Since his business depends on guns and training people, he obviously wants as many people as possible to own and possess guns. His opinion is biased. He has shown many videos of citizens protecting people in times of a crime being committed. In those cases, I think that the outcome came up good. I wonder if there were some of those attempts that did not go well. The case of Trevane Martin in one case of this.

          The idea of announcing to the public that your house is gun-free is ridiculous. Lets keep them guessing. even if you do not have weapons, It can work as a deterrent. Same goes with a convenience store. The areas that I think was the main place for “Gun Free Zones” are obviously public zones where there are a lot of people. Places like theaters, inaugurations like today, hockey arenas and stadiums. Those places will have professional trained and armed security. I think that that would still allow armed security where needed. But knowing people and how they relate to their guns. If they have them on their body, they might be temped to use them when they should have the presence of mind to not display them. Hopefully they do not use them to bully and intimidate people.
          The US medical system has not dealt properly with people who need of psychiatric care. One of the problems was the old way of profit, that the whole system was geared on. Obama-care is a correct step in the process to Universal healthcare, where these people would get the care and supervision that they need. This is the case in Canada, and many European countries. Mental illness does not fall between the cracks. The profit issue has been removed from the Health care system. Hopefully, then more people that should not have guns, will not have such easy access to them.

          Keep the discussion going. regards Nick Cz

      • Vicki

        Bill says:
        “Eddie, its in your posts
        I copied it and saved it, Here is exactly what you said:”

        Eddie could claim that you made it up. But you can counter that by just pointing to the post.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

        Then all can see what you already knew.

        The way I do it is I go to the date in his post and click on it. That gives me the link in the browser to copy and paste. I think you can just highlight and copy the date text and with some browsers when you paste it into a comment it will paste the text and add the hyperlink properly. Try the one that works for you but definitely save the link with the text for when eddie claims you made it all up.

    • eddie47d

      What are your “facts” Jukebox in which weapons were used? Which “tactic” are You using in trying to change peoples minds? If Meathead is correct then maybe there should be a ban on all handguns too since that seems to be (according to him) the type of weapons used. Easy to carry easy to hide and they can be just as effective in getting the job done. According to Meathead!

      • Bill

        And Eddie said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d again admits he has been lying to us about not wanting to take our guns by saying:
        “If Meathead is correct then maybe there should be a ban on all handguns too since that seems to be (according to him) the type of weapons used.”

        And yet with all those handguns out there

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Your dumber than a box of rocks in the Sahara Desert to keep repeating that foolishness.Your either desperate or have lost your mind!

      • JeffH

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Your dumber than a box of rocks in the Sahara Desert to keep repeating that foolishness.”

        What foolishness would that be dear?

        - eddie47d: “Your either desperate or have lost your mind!”

        I see you have run completely out of any argument let alone logical ones.

        Btw I checked the net and found that last year

        ~38 MILLION California residents DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        Yet California insists on punishing the innocent with their draconian gun control.

        What good is the contract with the Federal Government to protect our rights if that government will not honor the contract?

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • Meathead

    I’ve owned firearms for 63 years and during that time, Ted
    Kennedy’s car killed more people than my guns did.
    Proof: A liberal with a car is more deadly than a conservative
    with a gun.

    You really believe that you want “gun control” by the government?
    You’re wanting Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Sharpton, etc.,
    who have armed guards, to have total control over you? Here’s
    some gun control history for you:

    * 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929
    to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend
    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    *In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917,
    1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were
    rounded up and exterminated.

    *Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to
    1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally
    ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves,
    were rounded up and exterminated.

    *China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to
    1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    *Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964
    to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    *Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to
    1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves,
    were rounded up and exterminated.

    *Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975
    to 1977, one million “educated” people, unable to defend
    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    *That places total victims who lost their lives because of
    gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century.
    Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the
    next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out
    which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

    When the defense of liberty becomes a crime,
    tyranny is already in force. At that point,
    failure to defend liberty
    makes slavery a certainty.
    John Perna

    • Frank

      I would like to see your position on specific issues. 40% of all gun purchases are made without any back ground check. Do you support or oppose the idea that every gun purchaser should undergo a back ground check so convicted felons who legally can not own a gun, are unable to buy them. Do you support or oppose atttempts to keep the individuals with mental problems or a history of violence from purchasing guns?

      • JUKEBOX

        I have two guns that have been in my family for over fifty years, and they have never gone through any kind of a background check, or have never injured or killed anyone. I had a pistol stolen from my desk over thirty years ago, reported to the police, and put on the NCIC, and has never been recovered, despite all of the laws that have been passed since then. Go figure!

      • eddie47d

        I’ve owned cars for 45 years and none have killed anyone so who cares ! I still register them and have too pay higher insurance premiums because of those who do cause accidents. If you live in a flood zone you pay higher home insurance costs and if you buy a gun you pay for the possibility of something happening. Just because there is a Second Amendment doesn’t mean you get a free ride in life Jukebox. .

      • Vicki

        Frank says:
        “I would like to see your position on specific issues. 40% of all gun purchases are made without any back ground check.”

        Hi Eddie47d Posing as Frank. Or did you just copy eddies fictitious number used at
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814669

        Just so you know, eddies credibility is a bit low so you should probably go find a cite to validate any stat that eddie uses.

        Meanwhile here is a statistic that you will easily be able to verify:
        Even if we were to believe eddie,

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Frank can mention any kind of information he wants and hopefully he had looked it up too. Your being extra silly today Vickie in your repetitive conclusions.

      • vicki

        Eddie47d. So Frank can but I can’t. How typically hypocritical of you dear.

        Btw did you know that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Good grief Vickie neither of us knew we’d use the same quote unlike your repetitive …stop it !! So STOP IT!!!!

      • CZ52

        ” 40% of all gun purchases are made without any back ground check. ”

        Frank do you have a legitimate source for that 40% figure? You know a source that shows/tells how the number was arrived at. I have yet to see one posted by anyone.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Frank can mention any kind of information he wants…”

        vicki says:
        Eddie47d. So Frank can but I can’t. How typically hypocritical of you dear.

        eddie47d says:
        January 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm
        “So STOP IT!!!!”

        Yep. Still the hypocrite

        OH and eddie did you know that
        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE today.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • http://www.facebook.com/irene.grooms Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    I think that Obama and Biden has push to far on this ban on guns. I bet both of them are protected by armed guards and also there familys. We aren’t protected if they take our weapons. I want give mind up even if they threaten me.

    • eddie47d

      If you are so concerned about public officials having armed guards then call off your right wing dogs who threaten those public officials with death. Look up the Alaskan Peacekeepers Militia and the Hutaree Militia and plenty of other groups who advocate killings. Neither one of those I mentioned have threatened the President but please go look up the statistics.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “If you are so concerned about public officials having armed guards then call off your right wing dogs who threaten those public officials with death.”

        Proof by bald asssertion (and a bit on the libelous side)

        - eddie47d: ” Look up the Alaskan Peacekeepers Militia and the Hutaree Militia and plenty of other groups who advocate killings. Neither one of those I mentioned have threatened the President but please go look up the statistics.”

        Here is a better statistic to look up. I will even provide the link
        http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
        US Population. 315,187,492 (it’s a clock so it will change with time)

        Drop into the FBI Crime statistics data base and look up all the crimes where someone is shot (not just shot and killed but the bigger number).

        You will then be able to observe that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT even threaten to SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        STOP IT VICKIE! STOP IT! STOP LYING! STOP SHOUTING!Stop using population figures to to keep from answering what I said. Your duck and cover isn’t washing anymore! While your at it look up Sovereign Citizens too!

      • vicki

        Where’s the lie dear? Point it out to us.

        Meanwhile a self evident truth:

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        Followed by a demand.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Still crying like a toddler Vickie? Hoping your mommy will finally give into your incessant and monotnous complaining!

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        I told you Libtard! you are having a Libtard meltdown! eddie47donkey going crackers! Take your meds gringo! Lock yourself in a funny farm, You are dangerously mentally unstable! Keep going Vicki eddie is ready to blow his top!

      • eddie47d

        Fat chance of that for Vickie is just an irritating little nat not much different than you and your repetition. Two clowns still in the clown car! LOL!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Fat chance of that for Vickie is just an irritating little nat not much different than you and your repetition.

        Irritating. I like that. Irritating someone who’s career seems to be stomping all over your and my rights sounds good to me.

        (The astute reader will have noticed that eddie47d has lost all argument (even logical ones) and has now gone fully into ad hominem)

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “STOP IT VICKIE! STOP IT! STOP LYING! STOP SHOUTING!”

        I ask eddie47d:
        “Where’s the lie dear? Point it out to us.”

        To which eddie47d responds:
        “Still crying like a toddler Vickie?”

        Eddie is so good at debate. (not)

      • JeffH

        Vicki, I hope you don’t mind me plaiarizing your hard work but I’d like to remind eddie that ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        Don’t ya just love it?

      • Jana

        Vicki,
        eddie is definitely not good at debate. He is good at telling lies. He is good at calling names. He is good at making up facts.
        eddie is especially good at calling names when he gets frustrated, so you definitely have gotten him stuttering.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • vicki

        JeffH says:
        “Vicki, I hope you don’t mind me plaiarizing your hard work…”

        I don’t mind a bit. Please spread the truth far and wide. Not just here but in any blog you post and to all your friends everywhere.

        Oh and you can point out that

        ~38 MILLION CALIFORNIANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        Feel free to choose any other state too. :)

      • vicki

        Jana says:
        “eddie is especially good at calling names when he gets frustrated, so you definitely have gotten him stuttering.”

        Well they say that a big lie is the best way to propagandize. So I figured that a BIG (but ignored) truth would be the best way to neutralize the big lie.

        Now all I really did was put a number to a pro gun argument that we have used for years.
        All the new laws only affect the law abiding.

        Now the law abiding have a voice. Let use ring out loud and clear

        ~300 MILLION Americans DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • crash1133

    The biggest lie told by the leftwing gun grabbers is 40% of all gun sales are done without back round checks. That is some crap stat that Bloomberg made up years ago to push his gun grab program. If 40% are done without back round checks how would they know this? they like to spout this out all the time, but i never heard them say how they came up with the number.

    • JUKEBOX

      Probably the same way that Andrew Cuomo came up with the 7 shot capacity. Only revolvers and derringers have 7 shot or less capacity, and even some revolvers have an 8 shot cylinder. Those figures show Cuomo’s and his legislator’s ignorance about ANY kind of firearm. He made criminals out of nearly every law enforcement officer in New York.

    • jopa

      crash1133;How would they know 40% of gun sales are done without background checks?Probably with computers crunching the numbers of how many guns were sold, manufactured and ordered, the taxes paid on them, the item sold on the receipt, serial numbers, when and where they were sold and how many background checks were done.Every move you make today is being tracked in one way or another.Some people are amazed at what pops up when they Google their own name and if there is nothing there you may not have dug deep enough.

      • Vicki

        So it will be easy for jopa and the government to validate my assertion that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        so please

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        See. I even said please. Think the progressives care?

      • eddie47d

        Repeater Vickie! We certainly know you don’t care! LOOK OUT there is a wall right in front of you. Boy are you lucky I yelled at you!

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Repeater Vickie! We certainly know you don’t care! LOOK OUT there is a wall right in front of you. Boy are you lucky I yelled at you!”

        One of your more impressively useless arguments. Refutes nothing of the truth of my assertion (Self evident truths are like that). Of course you can’t refute it so it is no surprise that you didn’t.

      • eddie47d

        Strictly trying to show you what a child you have become but like a child you keep bellyaching with that repetitive jabbering!

      • CZ52

        Vicki, since eddie47d (you know the guy with the huge man-boobs) doesn’t like your use of the 300 million number you could always use the number of gun owners which is estimated at 100 million plus.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe then there would be a little variety in her cut and paste.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Maybe then there would be a little variety in her cut and paste.”

        I’m not doing it to entertain you. I am doing it to protect your rights.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE last year.
        (a little variety for eddie)

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Strictly trying to show you what a child you have become but like a child you keep bellyaching with that repetitive jabbering!”

        That is because we “children” are way past tired of big people who think they are adults telling us that we must be punished for the acts of a few of those “adults”.

        WE DEMAND THAT OUR RIGHTS BE PROTECTED AS WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACT.
        (U.S. Constitution.)

        WE DEMAND THAT GOVERNMENT STOP PUNISHING US.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW.

        (We use big print so the big people might be able to read)

        Side note to the astute reader. I find it amusing that eddie complains about my repetition after the months of his or the years of the anti-gun crowd and their sound-bites.

  • http://mine Jack

    eddie47d,Well, its easy to see that you’re an unmitigated left wing [expletive deleted] fool, and apparent6ly from Denver. I gotta tell you, you’re right where you belong, along side all the rest of the lefty libs that live there, who don’t have enough sense to come in outta the rain, like the saying goes. I have a question for you though, Why don’;t you go to an obumma web site, and, listen to some more of the bs he spouts on a daily basis. You will be a lot happier there wityh all your left wing lib buddies, and, we’d be rid of you besides. Idiot!!!!!!!!!

    • eddie47d

      More childish rants from the 3rd grade crowd. I’ll have to move you to the top of the list Jack for today or do you enjoy making clownish comments? Walgreen’s is open 24/7 if you need your meds!

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Gee! eddie the donkey! you are the need of Meds! It’s good to see you having a meltdown! soon trolls like you will be gone! David H is doing a good job frying Libtard Taliban Flushy!

      • JeffH

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS +- DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        I knew Saturdays with Ben brings out the complete Insane Clown Posse’s yet it just provide more proof of Conservative INSANITY!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “I knew Saturdays with Ben brings out the complete Insane Clown Posse’s yet it just provide more proof of Conservative INSANITY!”

        My insanity is better than yours. nah nah nah. ( :):) )

      • Vicki

        JeffH writes:
        “~300 MILLION AMERICANS +- DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE ….”

        Thanks for helping spread the word JeffH. Btw you don’t actually need the “+-” since the “~” before the 3 means “approximately”.

        What we can do when we are feeling like entertaining eddie47d is use the “~” sometimes, the “+-” sometimes, and the word sometimes. Give’em a little variety.

        We could even leave it out entirely without changing the point. It is VERY unlikely that less than 300 million didn’t shoot anyone since there are over 315 million in the current population.

        Another poster claimed at one point that I was blaming 15 million people because, apparently, English is not their native language and they did not know the meaning of “~”. Further proof came from their claim that I was blaming 15 million people.

        Had I said exactly 300 million it would still be true for those 300 million. The remaining ~15 million would have some amount of the people who did and the people who did not shoot anyone.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, I’m sure you are well aware that I take great pleasure in seeing eddie suffer as a result of his own personal stupidity as well as any other liberal or progressive.

        Glad I could help and thank you for “paining them” also.

      • Jana

        JeffH,
        I think a lot of us are laughing at eddie right now. He is so predictable.

      • JeffH

        Jana, now? How ’bout the laughing has never stopped.

      • Jana

        JeffH,
        When you are right, you are right!.

    • Vicki

      Population of Denver Co. estimated 2011 = 5,116,302

      number of crimes (excluding arson) 2011 17,627
      http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Denver-Colorado.html

      From that we can safely draw the conclusion that

      ~5 MILLION AMERICANS (who live in Denver) DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      Note that I used all listed crimes excluding arson even though in many the criminal may not even have possessed a firearm. It has no real relevance to the conclusion.

      And let us now expand our conclusion to the US.

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      FBI Crime states for the US left as an exercise to the reader.

      • Nick Czudy

        Vicki,

        Can you please tell me just how the 3000 million people are being punished by Obama’s new gun regs? Poor gun owners. You will be whipped, flogged and chastised. How else with you be persecuted?
        All that will happen is that some guns will be banned and you can buy the thousands of other kinds. No body is saying that these gun owners are bad and are shooting innocent people. I am sure that most responsible gun owners are good. It is the number of weapons and how easy they are to obtain that is the problem. Making them a little harder to get is not persecuting the good gun owners.
        Hopefully when the ATF and the CDC are allowed to make studies and publish the results, we will be able to see exactly what the results will be.
        Why would the NRA not want background checks and reports to be public? What are they hiding?

      • Vicki

        Nick Czudy says:
        “Can you please tell me just how the 3000 million people are being punished by Obama’s new gun regs?”

        Typo. it is ~300 MILLION people

        Try reading the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Try considering the purpose of private property. If you need more help understanding how they are being punished go ahead and ask.

        • Nick Czudy

          Vicki, I read the 2nd and I ask again, just how is Obamas 23 proposals infringing upon your rights to bear arms?
          You can have as many as you want, if you are stable and not nuts. That is not infringing on your having guns. It does not say bazookas or RPGs or tanks. shall be allowed. So tell me how your rights will be infringed? thanks.

      • Vicki

        Nick Czudy says:
        January 20, 2013 at 12:43 am

        Vicki, I read the 2nd and I ask again, just how is Obamas 23 proposals infringing upon your rights to bear arms?

        Kind of hard to carry(bear) what you can not posses(keep).

      • Jana

        Nick,
        “Vicki, I read the 2nd and I ask again, just how is Obamas 23 proposals infringing upon your rights to bear arms?”——————————–

        Tell me, how is Obama’s 23 proposals supposed to solve the problems of the mentally ill that are committing most of these crimes?
        Answer: They aren’t. He is willing to spend $500million on something that hasn’t even addressed the problem. Obama is willing to spend more money and IGNORE the real problem that is out there. Nothing that he proposed would have stopped Sandy Hook.

      • manuel rosa

        NICK, YOUR SO DRUNKIN ON THE DEMOCRATIC COOL AID THAT, I THINK IF A DEMOCRAT PISSED IN A BOTTLE AND TOLD YOU IT WAS BEER YOU PROBABLY WOULD DRINK IT.

        • Nick Czudy

          really Manuel? You said…”NICK, YOUR SO DRUNKIN ON THE DEMOCRATIC COOL AID THAT, I THINK IF A DEMOCRAT PISSED IN A BOTTLE AND TOLD YOU IT WAS BEER YOU PROBABLY WOULD DRINK IT.”

          Haha, I only drink Geritol on the rocks.

    • nc

      Jack, you people seem much more nervous having us here than we are to be among the opposition! REASON! WE KNOW WE CAN OUT THINK THE KUCKLE DRAGGERS! THE 21ST CENTURY DOES NOT SCARE US! WE HELPED CREATE IT INSTEAD OF FIGHTING THE PROGRESS (PROGRESSIVES) THAT GOT US HERE> NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD! IF THERE WERE A 1-A WE WOULD BE THAT ALSO! ASK ANYONE WHO DOES NOT LIVE HERE BUT WANTS TO!!
      You people follow leaders who cannot pull more than 5% of the vote max and you pi$$ and moan because things are not done your way! Does this country owe you something other than the ability to say anything you want to about the government and to change parties at will without going to prison??? WHAT ELSE WOULD THAT BE??? BELIEVE ME
      , HISTORY IS FULL OF STORIES OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED JUST FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PI$$ AND MOAN! NOT EVEN FOR LEADERHIP! JUST THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD! YOU HAVE THAT!! IF YOU WANT MORE THAN THAT THEN JOIN ONE OF THE PLAYER PARTIES OR STFU! IF YOU ARE ALREADY A REPUBLICAN YOU MUST CONFESS THE SINS OF DADDY’S BOY bush**. **(DNC RULE PER THE OVAL OFFICE)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        nc: Jack, you people seem much more nervous having us here than we are to be among the opposition!

        Nervous? No. Rather, irritated and bored by your lack of intelligence.

        nc: REASON! WE KNOW WE CAN OUT THINK THE KUCKLE DRAGGERS!

        As opposed to witless-boobs?

        nc: THE 21ST CENTURY DOES NOT SCARE US! WE HELPED CREATE IT INSTEAD OF FIGHTING THE PROGRESS (PROGRESSIVES) THAT GOT US HERE>

        Well i’m glad to hear that at least one in your group has the guts to admit that the progressives are responsible for the mess we find ourselves in. TY for that, nc!

        nc; NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD! IF THERE WERE A 1-A WE WOULD BE THAT ALSO! ASK ANYONE WHO DOES NOT LIVE HERE BUT WANTS TO!!

        Number 1? I don’t think so, nc. Not any more. We are about 10th in the world. And the only people that want to come here and move to America are the dead-beats and the lazy who know where to get free hand-outs!

        nc: You people follow leaders who cannot pull more than 5% of the vote max and you pi$$ and moan because things are not done your way!

        And you people follow the criminally-insane, who cheat, rob, and murder America citizens!

        nc: Does this country owe you something other than the ability to say anything you want to about the government and to change parties at will without going to prison??? WHAT ELSE WOULD THAT BE??? BELIEVE ME HISTORY IS FULL OF STORIES OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED JUST FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PI$$ AND MOAN! NOT EVEN FOR LEADERHIP! JUST THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD! YOU HAVE THAT!! IF YOU WANT MORE THAN THAT THEN JOIN ONE OF THE PLAYER PARTIES OR STFU! IF YOU ARE ALREADY A REPUBLICAN YOU MUST CONFESS THE SINS OF DADDY’S BOY bush**. **(DNC RULE PER THE OVAL OFFICE)

        Who says Barack Obama doesn’t have what it takes to be president? Turns out, he’s a distant cousin of both Dick Cheney and George Bush.

        The vice president’s wife, Lynne Cheney, announced her discovery yesterday while hawking her new book, “Blue Skies, No Fences,” on MSNBC.

        When asked if she would support Hillary Rodham Clinton because she is a woman, Lynne Cheney said, “I have to admit to a certain bias here . . . Dick and Barack Obama are eighth cousins.”

        Mrs. Cheney said that it was “an amazing American story that one ancestor . . . could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths.”

        Then asked if she supported Obama she quickly said, “No.”

        Obama’s camp made light of the family ties. “Every family has a black sheep,” said spokeswoman Jen Psaki, with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

        The Chicago Sun-Times revealed the genealogical link in early September, claiming that the shared ancestors were Mareen and Susannah Duvall, 17th century immigrants from France.

        The newspaper, however, claimed that the senator from Illinois and the vice president were 11th cousins.

        The Duvalls are Obama’s great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, and Cheney’s great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, the paper said.

        George W. Bush and Obama, meanwhile, are 10th cousins once removed – linked through a 17th century Massachusetts couple, Samuel Hinckley and Sarah Soole, according to the Sun-Times…I guess this would explain why Obama’s policies are merely extensions of Bush’s policies. Keep it in the family? LOL!!!

      • manuel rosa

        vicki you should send your comment to the white House. On course they gonna listen to you?????

        Now as for me when the goons come they send me to Jesus, but i hope to take a couple of them with me and drop them in Hell on the way up!

      • Vicki

        manuel rosa says:
        “vicki you should send your comment to the white House. On course they gonna listen to you?????”

        I am. But it can’t come from just me. It must come from Millions of us who are tired of being punished for the acts of a few. And it does not matter if the few are private criminals or government false flag agents.

        Write to your friends. Write to other blogs, write to Congress or the WH if you think they will listen. Choose your path and let everyone know that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.
        We are tired of being punished as though government thinks we are their children and government is ‘nanny’

        Even children know that punishing the innocent is NOT FAIR.

        Tell government to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • gman

    That 40% is just some made up propaganda that has no facts to back it up. Just another lie to make people think criminals get guns from gun shows or private sellers. If you believe this then you have never bought a gun at a gun show or gun dealer. Even private sellers for the most part require matching ID from a buyer. Good luck trying to buy a gun on the internet without having to use an FFL for the transfer. 40% of all gun sales are made without background check is just total propaganda lies. If you think a background check will totally stop a felon or a mental case from getting a gun you are so believing the propaganda of the 40%.

    • eddie47d

      Yes Gman James Holmes is your poster boy for anyone who can easily pass a background check and obtain any kind of weapon he wants including ammunition. As they say “even a cave man can do it”. Seems like there is something terribly wrong at your end so why don’t you support fixing it?

      • Vicki

        James is one man

        ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a few.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • jopa

    Well just remember after it’s all said and done, Guns don’t kill people People with guns kill people.If guns don’t kill people why do we give them to our soldiers before they go off to a foreign war?

    • Average Joe

      jopa,

      “.If guns don’t kill people why do we give them to our soldiers before they go off to a foreign war?”

      Because our enemies are carrying them. I suppose you show up to a gunfight with a bottle of Pepsi and a moonpie?…As usual…a stupid person asking…a stupid question…who woulda thunk?

      AJ

    • eddie47d

      Jopa; You should have asked why do we have so many soldiers in foreign countries killing people? Even our government has a gun fetish and are saving the world one gun shot at a time.

      • Average Joe

        eddie,

        That is simple to answer. Because we have uncaring, greedy,power hungry polititians (on both sides of the aisle) who are in bed with uncaring, greedy, power hungry corporations who want to steal the resources of other people..both here and abroad…and they figure it is your duty…as a “Patriotic American”, to sacrifice your life or that of your loved ones so that they can do just that. It’s all about gred, power, and control…until you figure that out…may God have mercy on you…your government certainly won’t.

        AJ

        • Nick Czudy

          Hi Average Joe. I said this earlier in another post, but it seems to be a general cop out to blame both sides of the aisle for being shills of corporations and greed. Lets call a spade a spade. It is 80% the GOP that we can blame for this type of activity and about 20% to the dems. I will call it the old 80/20 rule.
          I do not know of an example of the dems doing this. But I have lots of examples of the GOP in the pocket of the large and wealthy donors. Lets call it bribery. In any other name, that is what it is.

          For the GOP. we have the whole status quo medical industry. The HMO’s the insurance companies, the hospitals and the drug companies. The GOP have been and are still in their pocket. This has prevented a universal type of Health system from coming into effect and allowed the medical industry to make huge profits and rape and pillage the American people. Why else would they oppose Obamacare. It will take billions of profits out of their pockets.

          Then we have the oil companies. They have made the GOP keep energy efficient cars off of the road and stifled innovation so that we will keep consuming tons of oil and gas. Then one of the richest corporations that makes huge profits gets tax breaks. Have one storm or hurricane and they can rape us with higher gas prices for no reason.

          Then we have the NRA and gun lobby. I will not need to say much here. we all know how the GOP have been in the pocket of the NRA and they have formulated most of the gun laws to date, or should I say the lack of gun laws. they are in the pocket of the gun manufacturers. we need to list how every senator and congressman votes to see if their allegiance is to the American people or to the gun industry.

          Then there is the war industrial complex. The huge industry has the GOP in their pocket. During his campaign, Romney wanted to increase the budget for the pentagon, when Obama has been getting us out of wars and reducing the need for military spending. The current GOP Congress is fighting hard for sequestration as that would be a 500 billion dollar reduction that would be brutal. I think that somewhere in the middle would be acceptable as that would create a huge layoff in jobs, but we need to turn that energy into research and new discoveries and technology.

          We have the billionaires like Sheldon Adelson and others , that want them to block any regulations against the casino industry, so they can keep making their huge profits.

          Mining moguls like the Koch brothers and the coal industry. they heavily subsidized and contributed to the GOP coffers. They are looking for lenient environmental laws so they can pollute and exploit our land for profits. Same issue for the pipeline from Canada.
          this is why the GOP in general, will not acknowledge the global warming problem and environmental laws.

          The finance industry. Wall street paid a bundle into the GOP coffers so that they would not regulate their outrageous profits and their risky investments. They were the cause of the last recession and crash and they want business to continue as it was. They do not want any restrictions on their risky actions. Who is it that resist any new financial laws? You guessed it the GOP.

          This reply is taking too much of my time, so I will end it here. I just wanted you to have a sample of who the GOP are representing. So please remember the 80/20 rule.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        I find it amusing that the liberals/Democrats continue to talk about the mess President Barack Obama inherited in 2009 and blame all his failed policies on George Bush. I must remind you, Nick, that the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress in January 2007. The Congress controlled spending and Barack was part of it when this mess was started.

        One of the major causes of the recession was the collapse of the housing industry. In January 2007, Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee. Their major thrust was that all Americans must own their houses as that was “the American dream.” One way to help this was to push the “subprime mortgage program.” Millions of Americans who could not afford their dreams were offered mortgages for as much as 110 percent of the then-value of their houses. You can see how that worked out.

        The liberals took us from a Dow of around 13,000 and 4.6 percent unemployment and
        pushed us into the worst economic situation since the 1930s.

        • Nick Czudy

          Jay, you made a good point with the housing crisis that caused the recession.
          I am not familiar enough with Dodd and Frank as to their culpability in the fanny Mae and mortgage issue. Are the banks possibly more responsible for this problem than those two politicians. I do not know. I am asking? Maybe it was under their watch that this banking abuse took place. But as I know it, the laws and lack of oversights at that time came from the previous administration. In Canada the banks are not allowed to lend more than 75% of the appraised value of a house. they did not have a housing problem. The 110% lending was the banks policies that were more responsible for that. After all they bought insurance and sold their mortgages short as they expected them to fail. It might be said that they planned for them to fail.

          One thing that you have to remember. The economy sunk right about of the time of the election. Obama did not campaign on issues that dealt with the recession. when he had a majority in congress and the senate, he had the unexpected and huge problem of fixing the economy and not being able to work on his campaign promises and on his platform issues. So that took a lot of time away from working his platform. Also I read a list of bills that he did put through in his first two years and it is more than Bush did in 8 years. He has actually accomplished a lot. He could have accomplished more with a cooperative Congress.

          I think that the DOW crashed before Obama had any influence on it. Look where it is today. It is the highest level in 5 years. I think they said in the 16.000 level.

      • Average Joe

        Nick Czudy ,

        “I said this earlier in another post, but it seems to be a general cop out to blame both sides of the aisle for being shills of corporations and greed. ”

        You mean like blaming one side over the other isn’t a cop out? Oh wait…you are blaming the party that you don’t belong to…yep…it’s the other guys fault. You are the guy who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and screams that someone else made you do it …and it’s their fault. I am sorry to hear that you are still afflicted with Left/Right Paradigm disorder. They saythat with proper treatment the affiction can be cured. However if it is left untreated, it causes a further rotting of the mind.

        You’ve done a whole lot of typing …and all without saying anything …bravo sir!

        While it is nice that you took the time to post your opinion…it is after all just opinion. I see no relevant research links or anything else to back up your assertions….Fact…by bald assertion doesn’t fly well around here ( you may want to consider that little tid bit of info for future reference)….We don’t care what you think…if you can’t or won’t prove it, it ain’t worth diddlly squat.

        AJ

        • Nick Czudy

          AJ, What I said in my proofs were know facts. If you are not up on the politics, then tell me what you want to be proved and I will try to indulge you. I assumed that you were up on current events. You rant was typical of the misshapen opinions that fly around this blog site.
          The links that I have looked at today had one good movie and articles written on right wing and religious blog sites that were biased opinions. There were no proofs that I read. This is the problem with the right wing bubbles. some one says something and the rest of you take it as gospel.

          Of coarse everything that I say is my opinion, but when I state actions that have occurred in reality, they are know facts, not my opinion. You spend too much time on your right wing sites and not on ones that give the facts. Ask me what facts that you would like to see. I will do my best to accommodate you.

          I spend way too much time on this site answering other blogs to give links on every subject. I do expect that most of you are knowledgeable in current events. If not then ask. regards. Nick Cz

        • Nick Czudy

          Opps AJ, I forgot to say that I do not belong to any party. I go with the best ideas and actions where ever it comes from. From my observations the points that I make would make me a 80% liberal and a 20% conservative. I am not a Patriot and do not want to be one. I am not any where close to the extreme far right tea party ideals. I am not a far left union thumping zealot. So that is my affiliation.
          I will go with the best ideas and policies.

      • Vicki

        Nick Czudy says:
        “Jay, you made a good point with the housing crisis that caused the recession.
        I am not familiar enough with Dodd and Frank as to their culpability in the fanny Mae and mortgage issue. Are the banks possibly more responsible for this problem than those two politicians. I do not know. I am asking? ”

        This video may help your understanding of how banks were involved with the housing bubble.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzWrnUezDOU
        It’s about 10 min long and you should be ready to pause it from time to time to verify the cites in it.

        • Nick Czudy

          Vickie,
          thanks for that link about the housing bubble from Steve Magma. It was interesting. I did stop and google all of the things that I did not know about, or thought I knew about. It went really fast to be able to read the Newspaper headlines.

          It was showing that Dodd and Obama had their hands in the bank failures. From what I saw, it looked compelling. On the other hand, I saw that it was biased towards McCains campaign. I thought that McCain had a lot of integrity and did not get dirty during his campaign, so I have always had the highest opinion of him of any republican, political figure. During the last year with his support of Scott Brown in MA, and his pushing of Ambassador Rice, in the Benghazi affair, he had lost my respect. His rants were totally unwarranted and cruel. I so not know what happened to him?

          But I saw that Fannie Mae had contributed to Obama about 140,000 dollars and McCain had about $80,000. All of the dollar amounts are a joke compared to this years elections that were in the millions instead of thousands. Why is Fannie Mae contributing to elections any way. Isn’t it a federal organization? It should not be giving out donations at all. It should be lending for mortgages.
          i would have to do more research to find out of the info given in the video is accurate or partisan.
          In the video, they talked about Obama’s Truth Squads. I was aware of them and actually was in approval of their purpose. the Romney campaign had more lies in their campaign than I have ever seen. He quickly lost my respect and I thought that Obama’s truth squads were needed top counteract all of the lies. I apply my 80/20 rule to the truthfulness in this last election. Romney 80% lies and Obama 20% lies. what really turned me off of Romney was his doubling down on obvious lies. I did not want any one like that running the country. I know that he was doing this to make the GOP base happy, but I think that most Americans are smart enough to see what is happening.
          I think that is what was Romney’s undoing.

          Thanks for the video and I will research it further.

    • Vicki

      jopa says:
      “Well just remember after it’s all said and done, Guns don’t kill people People with guns kill people”

      This statement is demonstrably false. If it were true then there would be ~90 MILLION people killed by people with guns. (notice no time scale and presumes that each person with a gun killed ONLY 1 person)

      Now lets clean up the statement.
      “Guns don’t kill people. SOME People with guns kill people.”

      This is now a useful truism. Now all we have to do is solve for size of some.
      We know that the population of the US is ~300 million. We think that maybe 90 million people are “with” (as in own) guns. Assuming FBI CRIME statistics for just one year 2011 there were 13,913 murders. Now jopa did say kill so we could include accidents too but you can look up that stat since it is not “crime”.

      Some now equals 13,913 or LESS.
      http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table_12_crime_trends_by_population_group_2010-2011.xls

      So ~90 MILLION people did NOT KILL ANYONE WITH THEIR GUN (legally or illegally).
      Assuming one killer to each killed we find that

      ~90 MILLION GUN POSSESSORS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      - jopa: “If guns don’t kill people why do we give them to our soldiers before they go off to a foreign war?”

      Do tell us why obama gives them to our soldiers before sending them off to foreign wars. Your answer will be most believable if it also explains why every president before obama did the same thing.

      • Vicki

        While researching the above info I also ran across this ~6 min video which has some very good points to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0

      • Average Joe

        Vicki,
        I just wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you for all of the hard work you researching and posting. You have, over the time you’ve been here contributed a wealth of knowledge and an array of links to support your views and observations For that, I and many others here appreciate your contributions to the debate.
        I myself post much less than I used to do, simply out of frustrations of hearing the same few lamebranes ( you know who you are) spout the same arguments, day after day…and no matter what evidence you place before them, they can’t or won’t believe it. Their minds are made up, they “know” what they are talking about and we are not going to convince them otherwise…period.
        The sad thing is, no matter how much they deny the truth (reality) while spouting their broken record rhetoric….they haven’t convinced one single person who didn’t already have their view to begin with…to join their line of reasoning.
        The hoplophobes are trying to design a “Foolproof” plan to end violence by banning guns….yup, I see that working out real well….for the criminals who aren’t going to obey the ban… not so much for the rest of the people tho……

        Once again, thanks for all that you do!

        A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
        Douglas Adams

        AJ

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        AND THE NUMBER 1 REASON FOR AN ARMED CITIZENRY? The Police Aren’t Legally Obligated To Protect You.

        Without even thinking about it, we take it as a given that the police must protect each of us. That’s their whole reason for existence, right?

        While this might be true in a few jurisdictions in the U.S. and Canada, it is actually the exception, not the rule. In general, court decisions and state laws have held that cops don’t have to do a damn thing to help you when you’re in danger.

        In the only book devoted exclusively to the subject, Dial 911 and Die, attorney Richard W. Stevens writes:

        It was the most shocking thing I learned in law school. I was studying Torts in my first year at the University of San Diego School of Law, when I came upon the case of Hartzler v. City of San Jose. In that case I discovered the secret truth: the government owes no duty to protect individual citizens from criminal attack. Not only did the California courts hold to that rule, the California legislature had enacted a statute to make sure the courts couldn’t change the rule.

        But this doesn’t apply to just the wild, upside down world of California. Stevens cites laws and cases for every state — plus Washington D.C., Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Canada — which reveal the same thing. If the police fail to protect you, even through sheer incompetence and negligence, don’t expect that you or your next of kin will be able to sue.

        Even in the nation’s heartland, in bucolic Iowa, you can’t depend on 911. In 1987, two men broke into a family’s home, tied up the parents, slit the mother’s throat, raped the 16-year old daughter, and drove off with the 12-year old daughter (whom they later murdered). The emergency dispatcher couldn’t be bothered with immediately sending police to chase the kidnappers/murders/rapists while the abducted little girl was still alive. First he had to take calls about a parking violation downtown and a complaint about harassing phone calls.

        When he got around to the kidnapping, he didn’t issue an all-points bulletin but instead told just one officer to come back to the police station, not even mentioning that it was an emergency. Even more blazing negligence ensued, but suffice it to say that when the remnants of the family sued the city and the police, their case was summarily dismissed before going to trial. The state appeals court upheld the decision, claiming that the authorities have no duty to protect individuals.

        Similarly, people in various states have been unable to successfully sue over the following situations:

        — When 911 systems have been shut down for maintenance

        — When a known stalker kills someone

        — When the police pull over but don’t arrest a drunk driver who runs over someone later that night

        — When a cop known to be violently unstable shoots a driver he pulled over for an inadequate muffler

        — When authorities know in advance of a plan to commit murder but do nothing to stop it

        — When parole boards free violent psychotics, including child rapist-murderers

        — When felons escape from prison and kill someone

        — When houses burn down because the fire department didn’t respond promptly

        — When children are beaten to death in foster homes

        A minority of states do offer a tiny bit of hope. In eighteen states, citizens have successfully sued over failure to protect, but even here the grounds have been very narrow. Usually, the police and the victim must have had a prior “special relationship” (for example, the authorities must have promised protection to this specific individual in the past). And, not surprisingly, many of these states have issued contradictory court rulings, or a conflict exists between state law and the rulings of the courts.

        Don’t look to Constitution for help. “In its landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “the U.S. Supreme Court declared that the Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm.”

        All in all, as Stevens says, you’d be much better off owning a gun and learning how to use it. Even in those cases where you could successfully sue, this victory comes only after years (sometimes more than a decade) of wrestling with the justice system and only after you’ve been gravely injured or your loved one has been snuffed.

        http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-police-arent-legally-obligated-to-protect-you/

        • Nick Czudy

          Jay, thanks for your informative writings. You are right that the police are upholding the law and not being there to protect you. There are many travesties that need to be corrected and the laws changed to better the situation. All laws need to be updated and changed with they are no longer relevant. I feel that all people should be able to protect themselves. But I also feel that the 2nd amendment, needs to be clarified and brought up to the 21st century. People should have the right to defend them selves as police cannot be everywhere at once. Lets have some sensible dialogue over the next few months to come up with something that works. I do not think that we can just take the gospel of the NRA that has been ruling us for the last few decades. It is a good time to make some changes. Warm regards. Nick Cz

      • Vicki

        Average Joe says:
        “Vicki,
        I just wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you for all of the hard work you researching and posting. ”

        Welcome Joe. The pen is mightier than the sword so we are duty bound to use it. Since I don’t get paid (even though RBT would like me to so he could make his first true statement) I can’t research and post as much as I feel is necessary but I do what I can.

        And thank you for your thoughts as well.

      • Average Joe

        Vicki,
        I thought you might enjoy this. Josh Tolley at a gun appreciation day rally, earlier today.
        I have become a huge fan of Mr. Tolley, a very sensible, down to earth guy..who actually gets it.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91pz3xNM_Y&feature=em-uploademail

        Enjoy!
        AJ

      • Vicki

        That is great AJ. The story he told at the beginning about the lady and her freezer full of meat is EXACTLY what broke my liberal brainwashing.

        We had always been prepared for difficulty and we had plans and storage of food and such to last several weeks (I live in California. Earthquakes have been known to happen here :) )

        When talking with a Canadian co worker one day, He pointed out that he didn’t need to do any of that. I, of course asked why. He responded that all he needed was a gun. That way he could take whatever he needed.

        It took a week for me to process that we would need guns to defend our food and such in the event of an emergency. From there I began to study but the years of public school brain washing was beginning to crumble.

        So all you liberal/progressive gun grabbers out there have a Smart Canadian to thank for my posts including the most recent that came to me in prayer to the God you do not believe in.

      • jopa

        Vicki: Well I guess it is true then that guns kill people.Also there are a lot of guns killing a lot of people.That’s a truism as you would like it to be called.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        jopa: Also there are a lot of guns killing a lot of people.

        False!

      • JeffH

        AJ, thanks for posting that link. Josh Tolley has hit a home run and I believe this video needs to be shared with every citizen in the USA. I’m emailing the link to every one of my contacts…such truth and brutal honesty, something this nation has been lacking for geberations now.

        MOLON LABE

      • Average Joe

        JeffH,

        I hope you take the time to subscibe to Mr. Tolley’s show. He pretty much uploads at least one video a day, sometimes two. I found him by accident a few months ago and find him to be well mannered and very informed on the issues….the kind of guy that Alex Jones wishes he could be…he’s also the man who gave me the phrase: put your Big Boy pants on….lol.
        Peace,
        AJ

      • Jana

        Jay,
        That was a very informative post. Thank you for taking the time to fimd it and the time to post it.

      • Vicki

        jopa says:
        “Vicki: Well I guess it is true then that guns kill people.Also there are a lot of guns killing a lot of people.That’s a truism as you would like it to be called.”

        If it were true. But you FAILED to define “a lot” Now let me define it.

        ~14,000 murders. ~300 MILLION Americans.

        %0.005 of Americans killed anyone. The number of Americans who did not kill anyone
        IS A LOT.

        Therefor your truism is not.

        And Remember.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT EVEN SHOOT ANYONE let alone kill them.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Keep up the good work Vicki! When you David H and others post real facts! It drives Libtards nuts! You did a good job making eddie47donkey flipping out and going crackers!

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
    • nc

      jopa, you can say all the bumper sticker sayings you want to but we have a problem, a real problem, with gun violence in this country. It is killing children who never carry guns and young people and old people who did not grow up carry guns! Could you help us with the problem in other ways than with a dumb a$$ cute saying????

      • Vicki

        nc says:
        “jopa, you can say all the bumper sticker sayings you want to but we have a problem, a real problem, with gun violence in this country.”

        Yep. we have such a problem with gun violence in this country that ~14,000 people are killed (murdered) by people using a tool (gun) each year.
        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table_12_crime_trends_by_population_group_2010-2011.xls

        And in each and every one of those years

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT KILL ANYONE with ANY tool.

        so ~%0.005% of the population killed (murdered) someone. Yep. Big problem.
        This presumes that one killer caused only 1 death in each case.

        STOP PUNISHING THE 99.99% who are INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        (14,000/300,000,000)*100 to get the percentage

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Gun violence is the least of our problems. Insignificant, in fact. No, the problem we face is far worse than the “fabricated/overblown” gun violence theory, that is being used to spread fear and paranoia. The real problem we face is that, we have a “criminals” in the White-House who represent and serve “criminals”! That is our one and only problem, nc.

      • jopa

        nc: Apparently you didn’t read close enough what you thought to be the bumper sticker slogan of the far right wing gun wackos.I believe their sticker reads “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people’.

      • JeffH

        jopa, not so. The majority of the bumper sticker I see are either NRA member stickers and…

        I’ll keep my guns, freedom and money…you can keep the “change”

    • manuel rosa

      You fight one hell of a war. you want to send your soldiers to war without gun?

      you crazy libeal, why don’t you voluntier to fight in the front lines:? Remember, your not entitled to a gun!

  • Average Joe

    well, it’s about time! omeone finally slapped Piers Morgan down…make sure you watch to the end…refreshing!

    http://conservativevideos.com/2013/01/piers-morgan-is-slapped-down-by-jesse-ventura-on-gun-control-debate/

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Piers Morgan, CNN’s rabid crusader for stricter gun control laws, didn’t always think firearms were such a bad thing. While living in his native England, the liberal host joked about shooting his professional rivals and said that homeowners who kill burglars should not be prosecuted.

      As revealed in an article posted on Thursday by Daily Caller reporter Charles C. Johnson, the host of “Piers Morgan Tonight” also described himself as a “rabid fascist” who wants burglars to be tortured. Well, at least he didn’t want them to be shot.

      Morgan’s comments came in an interview with England’s Daily Mail newspaper. They concerned his dismissal as editor of the Daily Mirror, a rival British tabloid, after he was fired for publishing fake photos supposedly showing British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners.

      Daily Mail reporter Frances Hardy said the liberal crusader “ruminate[d] merrily” about things he imagined doing to such enemies as “Top Gear” host Jeremy Clarkson, writer A.A. Gill and editor Ian Hislop.

      “So the real question is, if I had a gun with just two bullets, who would I shoot?” Morgan asked during the May 2006 interview.

      “In the end,” wrote Hardy, “he can’t choose between them, so he opts for a clean shot to take out Hislop and a ricocheting hit to mortally wound both Clarkson and Gill.”

      Two years earlier, Morgan wrote an op-ed for the Evening Standard headlined “I can’t be liberal on burglars,” in which he said a series of home invasions and robberies made him wish for a gun.

      At that time, Britain — which had banned all guns — had seen a rash of break-in burglaries, one of which took the life of financier John Monckton.

      If Monckton had killed one of those burglars while defending himself … then he would now be facing a jail sentence for manslaughter or even murder. No part of my liberalism allows me to deem this fair.

      The liberal activist continued that “when it comes to burglars, I turn into a rabid fascist. I want them erased from life, all of them. Preferably after a decent period of cattle-prodding, testicle electrode treatment, and slow gentle skewering over hot coals.”

      Margan’s attitude was the result of his experience after purchasing his first home in London, which he said “seemed the most exciting thing in the world.”

      “Then we got burgled three times in six months, and our lives became consumed by fear and fury,” he stated.

      The criminals “nick [steal] everything, and always did it in a repulsive manner — trashing the house each time, crapping on the stairs, urinating on the beds,”Morgan explained. “It wasn’t enough that they wanted our possessions, they wanted us to feel really violated as well. And we did.”

      Now we were confident, physically robust young men. But it really shook us up. Add a bit of violence to the mix, and I think we’d have gone racing back to our mummies.
      Morgan added that he would have no compunction about killing a burglar who posed a threat to him or his family.

      “I wouldn’t shoot anyone because, like most people in this country, I’m not licensed to carry a gun,” he said.

      “But if I woke up to find a thug in my house at 2 a.m. stealing my hard-earned things and posing a clear and present threat to my well-being and perhaps that of my children, then I wouldn’t hesitate to grab the hardest thing I could find and defend myself,” he noted.

      And if I killed a burglar in that situation, I would expect the law to be on my side, not the despicable little toerag defiling my life.

      As NewsBusters previously reported, Morgan’s attitude on firearms seemed to change dramatically once he moved to America and became the host of a low-rated weeknight television talk show.

      After the mass shooting in a theater in Aurora, Colo., on July 20 and the attack on the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on December 14, the liberal host has praised gun-control advocates and hammered supporters of gun rights as “unbelievably stupid” and “dangerous.”

      Not surprisingly, Morgan has never mentioned his experiences in England during the
      current debate, instead focusing on demands for strict gun-control legislation.

      http://www.alipac.us/f9/hypocrisy-unbound-piers-morgan%92s-former-love-guns-self-defense-270797/

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        This country don’t need any more Imported Libtards! he should just go away back to the UK!

  • Greg

    Mark Sanford is not running for the Senate. He is running for the House of Reps. Also citing Hitler just give the Progs (libs) a reason to condemn the whole piece. So does the error.

  • http://Yahoo Robert W. Gelzhiser (VIETNAM VETERAN)

    Just a few things to ponder:

    PROHABITION was to stop drinking! Result! “THE MAFIA” and increased crime.

    DRUGS was one time the “GOVERNMENTS” number one priority! Has fallen between the cracks. One main country supplying drugs into AMERICA? “MEXICO” and the “GOVERNMENT” is giving Mexicans a free pass into our country and providing housing,supplying them food and medical care at our expence.

    But “TAXES” are being raised, Social Security is in threat and Medicare is a very sad joke, and care for “VETERANS” is being “CUT”! Also, not to mention “NATIONAL SECURITY” and the very important protection for our country “THE MILITARY” is being “CUT”.

    “HITLER” burned books and took away “GUNS”! Result WWII.

    WHY DON’T WE JUST LET “THE GOVERNMENT” CONTROL OUR GUNS IF NOT TAKE THEN AWAY, SELL OUR COUNTRY SO THEY CAN GET EVEN RICHER AND LEAVE WHAT EVER COUNTRY TAKE “OUR COUNTRY” OVER AND DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT AND US.

    “WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT IS TO LATE !!!!

    • http://personalliberty Alondra

      Robert, 27 years ago Yuri Bezmenov (the Russian ex-KGB agent) warned Americans about the direction they are marching —–>>> Self-destruction.

      You may to watch his interview with G. Edward Griffin at
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDBZuheQxs

      At 15:40 Yuri Bezmenov: “You have, LITERALLY, several years to live on unless United States HAS TO WAKE UP. The time bomb is ticking. Every second the disaster is coming closer and closer … You have nowhere to defect to … This is the LAST COUNTRY OF FREEDOM and possibility.”

      G. Edward Griffin: “What are your RECOMMENDATIONS to the American people?”

      Yuri Bezmenov: “There must be the strong national effort to EDUCATE PEOPLE in the real spirit of the national patriotism … Number two – to explain the REAL DANGER of the socialist, communist, whatever welfare state – “BIG BROTHER” GOVERNMENT. If people will fail to the danger of that development, NOTHING ever will help the United States.

      In this Video he explains the communistic four-step formula for achieving the goals.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

      The Agenda To Grind America Down!!! (Is almost completed)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9yYlytGy85A

      Robert, This is the LAST COUNTRY OF FREEDOM and possibility!

    • manuel rosa

      RObert Your vision exceeds 20/20 I too also vietnam veteran.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Manuel, May God bless you aka. Que Dios bendiga a ti y a tuyos.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Richard Stevens is a lawyer in Washington, D.C., and author of Dial 911 and Die.

    Underlying all “gun control” ideology is this one belief.” “Private citizens don’t need firearms because the police will protect them from crime.” That belief is both false and dangerous for two reasons.

    First, the police cannot and do not protect everyone from crime. Second, the government and the police in most localities owe no legal duty to protect individuals from criminal attack. When it comes to deterring crime and defending against criminals, individuals are ultimately responsible for themselves and their loved ones. Depending solely on police emergency response means relying on the telephone as the only defensive tool. Too often, citizens in trouble dial 911 . . . and die.

    Statistics confirm the obvious truth that the police in America cannot prevent violent crime. In 1997 for example, nationwide there were 18,209 murders, 497,950 robberies, and 96,122 rapes. All those crimes were unprevented and undeterred by the police and the criminal justice system.

    Many criminals use firearms to commit their crimes. For example, in 1997 criminals did so in 68 percent of murders and 40 percent of robberies. Thus criminals either have or can obtain firearms. The existing “gun control” laws do not stop serious criminals from getting guns and using them in crimes.

    Practically speaking, it makes little sense to disarm the innocent victims while the criminals are armed. It is especially silly to disarm the victims when too often the police are simply unable to protect them. As Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, has observed: “Police do very little to prevent violent crime. We investigate crime after the fact.”

    Americans increasingly believe, however, that all they need for protection is a telephone. Dial 911 and the police, fire, and ambulance will come straight to the rescue. It’s faster than the pizza man. Faith in a telephone number and the local cops is so strong that Americans dial 911 over 250,000 times per day.

    Yet, does dialing 911 actually protect crime victims? Researchers found that less than 5 percent of all calls dispatched to police are made quickly enough for officers to stop a crime or arrest a suspect. The 911 bottom line: “cases in which 911 technology makes a substantial difference in the outcome of criminal events are extraordinarily rare.”

    It’s not just that the police cannot protect you. They don’t even have to come when you call. In most states the government and police owe no legal duty to protect individual citizens from criminal attack. The District of Columbia’s highest court spelled out plainly the “fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.”

    In the especially gruesome landmark case the “no-duty” rule got ugly. Just before dawn on March 16, 1975, two men broke down the back door of a three-story home in Washington, D.C., shared by three women and a child. On the second floor one woman was sexually attacked. Her housemates on the third floor heard her screams and called the police.

    The women’s first call to D.C. police got assigned a low priority, so the responding officers arrived at the house, got no answer to their knocks on the door, did a quick check around, and left. When the women frantically called the police a second time, the dispatcher promised help would come—but no officers were even dispatched.

    The attackers kidnapped, robbed, raped, and beat all three women over 14 hours.

    When these women later sued the city and its police for negligently failing to protect them or even to answer their second call, the court held that government had no duty to respond to their call or to protect them. Case dismissed.

    The law is similar in most states. A Kansas statute precludes citizens from suing the government or the police for negligently failing to enforce the law or for failing to provide police or fire protection. A California law states that “neither a public entity nor a public employee is liable for failure to establish a police department or otherwise provide police protection service.” As one California appellate court wrote, “police officers have no affirmative statutory duty to do anything.”

    The state legislatures and courts protect government entities and police departments from civil liability for failing to provide adequate police protection. Some states invoke the “sovereign immunity” defense, a throwback to the days when the subjects were forbidden to sue the king.

    Other states have statutes that prevent legal challenges to police “discretionary” functions. Courts preclude lawsuits in those states by holding that answering emergency calls or providing police protection are “discretionary” functions.

    Many states evade liability by relying on the ironically named “public duty” doctrine. Like a George Orwell slogan, that doctrine says: police owe a duty to protect the public in general, but not to protect any particular individual.

    Police Advice: “Get a Gun”

    http://www.psacake.com/dial_911.asp

    • eddie47d

      I love it WTS! “existing gun laws don’t work”! What a hoot and more proof its time for someone else besides the NRA to write those new laws and put some backbone into them!

      • JeffH

        Hey dummy,

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE in school or out.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Bill

        And don’t forget that Eddie said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money

      • eddie47d

        No but what I will say Bill is that you permanently belong in the insane asylum and shouldn’t be anywhere near a gun. I’d hate to see you cause harm to yourself!

    • Bill

      Good post Jay
      It really makes the case for private citizens to have more firepower.

      With the lefts failed economic policies, their diversionary racial tactics and race baiting, they are creating more criminals and planting the seed that it is ok to steal from anyone that has more than you.

      We even have posters like Eddie, who said that we need to give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money.

      • Nick Czudy

        Bill. Mitt and his campaign, tried to use the mantra of “Obama’s failed policies” slogan during the election. He failed because the American people knew it was a lie, as Obama’s policies were successful. So it passes like water off a ducks back from most Americans. This slogan only works under the Right Wing Bubble.

    • manuel rosa

      Police gona do what? I hope we don’t have anyone stupid enough to believe that!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Take your chances with criminals rather than with the police. For one thing, criminals usually want your property, not control over your life.

    Gun opponents who argue “the police will protect you” are a menace to your safety. They are also flat wrong. I am not referring to the overwhelming inability of police to combat crime. Why state the obvious? I am referring to the fact that the police have no duty whatsoever to protect you against criminals. That’s not in the job description of ‘police officer.’ The courts have recognized this fact for over a century.

    In 1856, the U.S. Supreme Court (South v. Maryland) found that law enforcement officers had no duty to protect any individual. Their duty is to enforce the law in general. More recently, in 1982 (Bowers v. DeVito), the Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit held, “…there is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents… but it does not violate… the Constitution.” Later court decisions concurred: the police have no duty to protect you.

    Police vehicles routinely sport decals proclaiming sentiments such as ‘Proud to Serve!’ If they aren’t there to protect you, the question becomes, “Who are they serving?” The answer is clear: the police department exists to enforce the law. Policemen serve the government, not the people. And uphold the law with total disregard for whether their actions create or prevent violence. For example, if government decides that certain forms of adult consensual crimes must not be tolerated, then the police will draw their guns and barge into otherwise peaceful bedrooms. To uphold an unjust law, they will create violence and victims.

    Those who blithely reassure you about police protection are doubly wrong. Not only is protection not the officers’ job, they may well be the ones who victimize you.

    Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, correctly observes that the American legal system is based on the English Common Law. The modern American policeman dates back centuries to the role of the English Sheriff, who was paid by and accountable to the government, not the community. As the JPFO states, the main purpose of the Sheriff was the “enforcement of government decisions,” such as seizing property.

    “Maintenance of public order” was of secondary concern. Indeed, if the two concerns collided – as in the enforcement of victimless crime laws – the government invariably won.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=34199

    • jopa

      Jefh Your little rant of STOP IT STOP IT NOW sounds like a little girlieman shouting.Just settle down and take your meds before you shoot your eye out

      • JeffH

        jopa, after several years here you still haven’t figured out how to post a reply to a comment correctly.

        Is this dimentia? Probably!

        Almost 50 years of gun ownership and I’ve yet to shoot myself or anyone else and I’ve yet to raise my guns at another human being in anger or otherwise.

        Now, I’ll assume you must have been specifically trolling for any of my comments to produce such an ignorant response of your own considering that several others have “quoted” Vicki’s statement multiple times.

        Stupid is as stupid does!
        - Mrs. Gump

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • vicki

        jopa says:
        “Jefh Your little rant of STOP IT STOP IT NOW sounds like a little girlieman shouting.Just settle down and take your meds before you shoot your eye out”

        Such a witty ad hominem. Don’t give up your day job.

    • manuel rosa

      Police exist to serve traffic tickets and protect the government interests period, end of discussion!!

      by the way does anyone know the difference between God’s law and man’s law?

      God will never break his law! Man breaks his law daily!

      • jopa

        Vicki: Thank you for your kindness and Jeffie the main thing is that you do get the message from my posts.Have a good one.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Barack Obama’s Royal Roots

    I’m afraid the world will not automatically find mankind’s elusive utopia with the installment of the new American president. When Barack Obama was elected, I thought, “At least, we will have a president who is not related to European royalty!”

    But, alas, there seems to be no light at the end of this world’s darkening tunnel, because Barack Obama is related to President George W. Bush!

    Barack Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinckley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662. Does that name, Hinckley, sound familiar?

    When John Warnock Hinckley, Jr., attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan in Washington, D.C. on March 30, 1981, the Houston Post reported that Hinckley is the son of one of George H. W. Bush’s political and financial supporters in his 1980 presidential primary campaign against Ronald Reagan. His elder brother, Scott Hinckley, and Vice President Bush’s son, Neil Bush, had a dinner appointment scheduled for the next day.

    The Associated Press published the following short article on March 31, 1981:

    “The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice-President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign … Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr. was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the Vice-President’s sons … The Houston Post said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice-president of his father’s Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Company of Indiana. In 1978, Neil Bush served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice-president’s eldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock, Texas, throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.” The would-be assassin, John W. Hinckley, attended Texas Tech University during his stay in Lubbock.

    Now we learn that the Hinckley family are more than friends — they may be cousins — cousins to both the Bush family and Barack Obama’s family on his mother’s side.

    Obama’s distant presidential cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H. W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison.

    The New England Historic Genealogical Society released their genealogy report after tracing the family trees of the presidential candidates. It is a fact that Barack Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, is related to several presidents across both party lines. Founded in 1845, the New England Historic Genealogical Society is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.

    Obama is also related to other politicians, such as Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee. The vice president’s wife, Lynne Cheney, announced her discovery while discussing her new book, Blue Skies, No Fences, on MSNBC.

    Full article: http://growandknow.blogspot.ca/2009/02/obama-is-related-to-president-bush.html

  • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
  • Michael Guy

    Dear Mr. President:
    If I change my name to Mohammed Martinez and register as a Democrat can I avoid your executive decrees nullifying both the second Amendment and the Constitutional process of enacting laws via elected legislators? I remember how you and Eric Holder gave the same types of guns you wish to outlaw to Mexican drug lords. You give welfare, SSI and EBT money to your voters so that they can buy these illegal drugs and enhance the profits of violent drug gangs. You, Hillary and the State Dept. also give money and arms to the Sunni jihadist in the Muslim Brotherhood, so they can kill Christians, Jews and even atheist throughout the world. So, I am going to the Social Security office and changing my name , then getting a couple of voter registration cards as a Democrat.
    A Salaam Melekum and Gracias
    Mohammed Martinez

    Every Roman Dictator since Julius Caesar kept up the pretext of a Roman republic by affixing the letters SPQR to their tyrannical decrees; For the Senate and the People of Rome. The Roman tribunes and Senators were as ineffectual and vestigial after Cicero as our legislators seem to be. WE have a Socialist Sun King who can recite Louis XIV with equal vehemence, “Etate c’est moi” “I am the state”. This Administration armed Mexican drug lords in Fast and Furious. The drug lords make their millions because this administration gives welfare, SSI and EBT to addicts. This administration extorts tax money from you and then gives it to parasites in the HHS welfare society so that these Obama voters will enhance the profits of violent drug gangs. So not only is tax money or loaned money from China filtered through to the vicious drug cartels, but Eric Holder even armed these gangs with the same weapons he wants to confiscate from conservative, capitalist, Constitution-loving, law-abiding American citizens. Add to this hypocrisy, the financial aid and arms sent to the Sunni Jihadist in the Muslim Brotherhood and you can see this Democratic Administration wants to arm Saudi-controlled, Arab Spring” Sunni terrorist who will be killing Shia, Christians , Jews and socialists throughout the world, including America. But this Administration and its Democrats want to abrogate and nullify our social contract, i.e. the Constitution with its Bill of Rights and then confiscate property to which citizens are entitled, especially the arms and ammunition owned by Christian, conservative, capitalist, Constitution-loving, Caucasians. Is this to make us subject serfs in a global Holy Roman Empire, ruled by elite liberal lords, Bolshevik bureaucrats and progressive plutocrats in the UN?

    • Bill

      Great comments, Michael

      That is a good Idea. We should all become Moslem Mexican immigrants. That way we can get freebies from the government, work for cash and pay no taxes.

      Although, I feel remorse for making fun of the Mexican immigrants. It is not their fault that they are taking advantage of an opportunity presented by our government.

      They probably deserve it more because they have a work ethic that far surpasses our 47% that want the money and won’t do anything for it.

    • Jana

      Michael Guy,
      I love it.
      You know though I think you have hit on something. Obama keeps his constituents drugged up so they won’t notice how he is taking their rights away from them. I always noticed how he did the bait and switch routine of getting everyone caught up in one thing and then sneaking around behind our backs and sneaking in some other control over us.

    • manuel rosa

      there is one way to stop the washington piggies.
      a north to south and east to west vacation with a list of demands before anyone goes back to work. thats the way it was done overseas, a vacation without pay. Let them raise their taxes all they want. I guarantee you when the people get the balls to pull a stunt like that? its like Herman Cain says. When they feel the pain, they will see a great light.

  • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
    • Vicki

      Yes. There are many good stories of law abiding people who used guns to defend themselves. The progressives don’t care. They throw out numbers like 85 people killed every day like it’s a huge number. What that number means is 85 or fewer criminals killed 85 people with a tool (gun) They may not even have bothered to see if the tool was a gun.

      Then they explicitly ignore what that statistic says.

      Today (on average) 85 people will kill another with a gun.

      On this same day ~300 MILLION AMERICANS WON’T
      We want our government to stop punishing the innocent.

      Stop it
      Stop it NOW.

      • JimH

        Hi Vicki, If those 85 who would use a gun today didn’t have one, they would go to plan B,C,D., Knife, club, rock.
        If guns were gone those 85 victims would still be dead.
        300 million people didnt shoot anyone today.

  • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
    • Vicki

      George Orwell was ahead of his time. Btw all you photographers out there need to come up with a new word. The insane have decided that the word “shoot” can only mean bad think.

  • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
    • jopa

      Mexitard;Great posting.That however is nothing new, burglars have beeen robbing homes for decades by the foolish homeowners advertising their home is protected by Smith and Wesson or Colt with a little sign in the front yard.Soon as the homeowner leaves the burglar goes in.I think they saw humor i their signs until they lost their guns.

      • Vicki

        Jopa Did you deliberately miss the point? Did you deliberately change the subject?

        He was talking about (as was the article) the criminal mis-use of the 1st Amendment to mark all of these residences against the will of the property owner. The owner did not put up the sign. The press did.

  • http://yahoo.com shade

    Can someone explain this to me, ” our Guys in D.C. get money from the NRA, Obama gets money from the Chicago Gangs, and our guys are bad?

    • Vicki

      In the eyes of the criminal you are either prey or bad.

      • jopa

        Vicki; No I didn’t miss the point of the article, I was just stating another silly tactic by gun owners advertising for the criminals to come and steal their guns with yard signs.Just tyring to help so they wouldn’t lose their guns by being foolish.

  • cory smith

    great vid ben keep up the great work and protecting the @nd amendment

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Let’s face it, folks. Obama lied! He had/has no intentions of turning things around. In fact, after Bush Republicans used “The Big Lie” to grow government and rack up huge deficits (while telling us they were for “limited government and less spending”), President Barack Obama is now using it to expand government further and rack up even larger deficits under the banner of “hope and change.”

    Of course Americans still searching for “hope” amidst our ongoing economic malaise know that the only real “change” has been the cost of these lies – which keeps adding up at the expense of our liberties.

    How many “Big Lies” has Obama told? Frankly, it’s becoming difficult to keep track of
    them.

    With the re-election of Barack Obama, the United States has officially become a banana republic. From a nation that produced patriots, we have knowingly selected the lowest common denominator as our commander in chief.

    From China to Iran, the enemies of freedom can now breathe a collective sigh of relief as the citizens of the United States have placed an empty suit at the helm of state. To think the American people would select Barack Obama over a man like Ron Paul is a national embarrassment that we will not soon overcome.

    Never in history has a nation so great fallen so far, so fast, as ours did on Nov. 6, 2012.

    Albert Einstein said, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Using this definition, anyone who expects anything different from Obama must surely be insane!

    • manuel rosa

      You got it WTS/JAY

  • http://www.facebook.com/loyfrompueblowest Loy Banks

    Keep em coming Ben. You never disappoint. Damned democrats, liberals, progressives. We need to get rid of all of them. They are destroying our country.

  • bluejacket

    Even after the left’s gun running scandal that killed the border agent Brian Terry, the libs still side the Demorats, and their killing of Americans to generate public rage at the 2nd Amendment. Trouble is, only the foolish belive it’s the 2nd Amendment, and don’t see the agenda driven WH doing whatever it must to disarm the public- even kill our children.

    There’s more “random shootings” planned by our oligarchy, all will be perpetrated by the “lone gunman” to manipulate the emotions of the weak minded.

    http://theintelhub.com/2013/01/19/sandy-hook-smoking-gun-revealed-factions-of-government-law-enforcement-and-mainstream-media-including-anderson-cooper-engaged-in-treason-against-the-united-states-and-its-citizens/

    • Vicki

      Conspiracy theory or real. It really doesn’t matter. If the shootings they will happen in GUN FREE Zones. And after each one there will be a cry for more control.

      Remind people that:

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      They can not possibly find enough “lone shooter” groups to overcome the above statistic.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    With over 25 million looking for jobs at any given time and the unemployment rate being stubbornly high, its very clear that Obama could not bring the “hope and change” and economic prosperity that many expected. Bankruptcy filings and foreclosures continue being at an all time high. And whatever wealth most people had, all evaporated. So now Obama turns to “gun-control” hoping to achieve some measure of success so as to hide his abysmal-record on economic-recovery. This man is truly pathetic!

    • manuel rosa

      WTS/JAY
      Mr. Jay The man in the White House is not pathetic in fact he is extremely brilliant.
      The problem is he is evil and his agenda is purely about the destruction of the USA.
      The sooner you get that the sooner you’ll get the Idea. I’ll tell you something else,
      Obama has turned the entire republicans into a bunch of pupets “thats right” thats what they are to him. Make no mistake about it. Obama will do as much destruction to Amercan as he possibly can. the way he is going, he’s got a surprize for you yet. I want you to mark my words! The reason why I know this is because I’m learned in the word of God why the Devil can’t fool me or make me naive!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Newspeak was a term coined by George Orwell, which he said was created to “provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits” of the ruling elite and further “to make all other modes of thought impossible.“

    Subcategories of newspeak included carefully crafted words created entirely and specifically for the purpose of a political agenda. According to Orwell, category ‘B’ words “consisted of words which had been deliberately constructed for political purposes.” These ‘B words’ often contain slogan like compound words creating snappy, happy conscious mind impressions while, at the same time, creating a subconscious mind impression containing contradiction; presenting the mind with a crisis of thought leading to confusion and anesthetization of critical thought. Critical thought being necessary to pull apart a tangled mess of contradictory messages and meanings.

    One such phrase coined as a slogan-word is ‘gun control’. Gun control is a simple expression designed to ‘disarm’ critical thinking skills. ‘Gun control’ is phrase slogan-word which doesn’t map to a single definition, but rather maps to an endless parade of meanings, defocusing the conscious mind and tiring the unconscious mind.

    Gun-control literally has a dozen or more meanings centering on the word control, as in controlling the potential gun owner in such as way as to prevent gun ownership. A few of the meanings of gun-control are :

    Gun Registration – Collecting information on firearms and owners while tacitly re-defining ownership to mean ‘registered owner’; registration is now part of the definition of ownership.

    Gun Licensing – Gun registration, plus accepting the idea that in order to ‘legally’ own (with registration) a gun, you must also accept the fact that it is illegal to own a gun unless it is licensed. Licensing temporarily grants immunity from the punishments of owning a gun illegally; however, the immunity is short lived and may be renewed only after a fee is paid to the government for the license. This fee and criterion, of course, are subject to change.

    Enumerating the list of meanings for gun-control would surely put the reader to sleep, but for purposes of this article, I’ll mention a few others. Gun control can also mean or include as part of the meaning: conceal carry ‘permits’, background checks, ‘safe storage’ requirements, limits on the number of guns that can be ‘owned’, controls on ammunition and on and on.

    The point being that gun-control actually prevents – permanently, by your own permission – the right to ever OWN a gun.

    Ownership as defined in Blacks Law Dictionary, first edition, as:

    “The complete dominion, title, or proprietary right in a thing or claim. The ownership of a thing is the right of one or more persons to possess and use it to the exclusion of others.”

    Using this definition of ownership you see that it is not possible to “own” a gun if one tacitly or formally agrees to any sort of ‘gun control’ because gun ‘ownership’ is predicated on terms and agreements (contracts) that give rise to third party claims on your property.

    Using language to control human thought is not a new idea as it has been done and perfected for thousands of years.

    Equally perfected over the same period are skills of recognizing attempts of deceivers and psychopaths to control and otherwise enslave thoughts. ‘Armed’ with skills and knowledge of mind control (two words each referring to their own unmodified definitions) people can take back their power and liberty.

    Examples of mind controllers are those that present arguments using false presumptions about context. For example when CNN’s Piers Morgan asked Ben Shapiro (01/10/2013) : Why does any civilian in America NEED an AR-15?

    Shapiro, doing a great job of moving Morgan back on subject and detangling Morgan’s attempt to associate the NRA with posited evils done by ‘assault rifles,’ another newspeak term, failed to stop Piers from pretending that in America people are ‘allowed’ freedoms consistent with some unnamed panel or body of do-gooders that can, when required, decide something or some action is not in our best interest.

    In other words, Morgan was implying the United States of America operates as a political democracy and by answering questions framed in this type of pseudo-context, Americans are tacitly agreeing this nation of independent States with Republican governments are actually democracies…

    continued: http://www.activistpost.com/2013/01/mind-control-not-gun-control.html

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Warning: False Flag Coming! Mike Adams Runs Down The Latest Attempt To Demonize Gun Owners. January 20, 2013

    Mike Adams of NaturalNews.com and Infowars has warned us of another false flag coming to continue the demonization of gun owners and 2nd Amendment activists.

    Just barely a month after Sandy Hook, do TPTB have another mass shooting event ‘up their sleeves’?

    Anyone who has been paying any attention at all to global events will understand that these people are not quite done yet. Until they have American’s guns, they WILL NOT be able to complete their psychopathic dreams of one-world government and a New World Order.

    False Flag: Derived from the military concept of flying false colours. “False Flags” are when Governments and other organizations carry out covert operations to deliberately blame others for the atrocities in order to mobilize “military-intervention” and prioritize “regime-change”!

    http://2012countdowntozerotime.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/warning-false-flag-coming-mike-adams-runs-down-the-latest-attempt-to-demonize-gun-owners/

    • Vicki

      Just remember. They can not create enough false flag shooting events to overcome this little statistic.

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE

      We need to tell them over and over again that no matter what false flag they invent we are TIRED of being punished for the acts of a few. Regardless if they are lone crazy people or government plants.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

  • http://www.facebook.com/judy.fullbright Judy Fullbright

    I noticed all the killings by guns, what about stabbings, beatings, suffocation, smothering and other methods of killing, it is not the weapons that kill it is the people having the weapons.who are allowed to have weapons and/or access to them and no law(s) will stop the illegal weapons, they can’t control it now with the gangs and drive by shootings. The majority of legal gun owners are not breaking the law, they closed the doors to the majority hospitals for the mentally ill and put them on the street, this was done by the Sup.Court stating it is unconstitutional to have them as it deprives citizens of their right of freedom so they just turned them loose, there are many out there, no medication and if they do have it they forget to take it or don’t want to take it and homeless.

    • Vicki

      Judy Fullbright says:
      “I noticed all the killings by guns, what about stabbings, beatings, suffocation, smothering and other methods of killing,”

      They (the anti-gun people) don’t care. It doesn’t support their agenda.

      - Judy Fullbright: “The majority of legal gun owners are not breaking the law,”

      They (the anti-gun people) don’t care.

      Judy Fullbright: ” they closed the doors to the majority hospitals for the mentally ill and put them on the street, this was done by the Sup.Court stating it is unconstitutional to have them as it deprives citizens of their right of freedom so they just turned them loose, there are many out there, no medication and if they do have it they forget to take it or don’t want to take it and homeless.

      Just remember that with all the trouble that the anti gunners go to to try and demonize the mentally ill that a VERY TINY number of them actually do anything bad with or without a gun. They have the right to defend themselves just as you and I do.

      You also have to remember that the plan is to make us agree to take away the rights of the (supposed) mentally ill then they will label US as mentally ill. Indeed they have already started that.

      The founders had a much better system. If you shot someone and did not have a good reason (self defense for instance) then you went to jail. Didn’t matter if you were the fool on the hill or not.

      Also during these discussions about “gun control” always remember that

      ~300 MILLION of your fellow Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone.

      You should be very tired of being punished for the acts of a few like that guy in CT.

      Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      Tell them to STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    On Tyranny

    1. War is just one more big government program.
    -Joseph Sobran

    2. War is the health of the State.
    -Randolph Bourne (1917)

    3. There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for you.
    -Robert A. Heinlein

    4. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
    -Thomas Jefferson

    5. Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.
    -Daniel Webster

    6. The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.
    -John Hay (1872)

    7. When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
    -Gary Lloyd

    8. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
    -H.L. Mencken

    9. Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    -C. S. Lewis

    10. When important issues affecting the life of an individual are decided by somebody else, it makes no difference to the individual whether that somebody else is a king, a dictator, or society at large.
    -James Taggart

    11. Tyranny is always better organized than freedom.
    -Charles Pe¢ guy

    12. The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and
    tyranny commence.
    -John Adams

  • Don in Ohio

    Ben; a good laugh and isn’t it amazing how silly some people are.

    Eddie47d; thanks for confirming on a daily basis just how stupid the libs/Dems/progressives (or whatever you call yourself) are.

    Everyone else;
    When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. (And the government.)
    Check out this link on accidental deaths in the US.
    http://www.anesi.com/accdeath.htm

    • Vicki

      Good statistic. I like the pie chart.

      Here is another statistic

      ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

      Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      Tell them to STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      • jopa

        Where do you folks come up with these crazy numbers like 300 million Americans even own guns.Don’t you ever post anything factual any more or do you just grab numbers out of the air and add zeroes to them to try and impress someone.There are less than 100 million gun owners in America and the ones that do own guns, most sportsmen have about four each others less, with a total around 300 million guns total.So I Guess you exaggerated only by about 200 million this time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brandon.donavan Brandon Donavan

    The thing that upsets me about this debate is that none of the proposed solutions will do a damned thing in preventing criminals from committing criminal acts. All they will do is strip the liberties from law abiding people that have not done a damn thing. Take away so called “assault rifles”, which killed less than 400 people last year and criminals will still have them.

    Our government refuses to close our borders and we get illegals coming across every single day. Every single day there are drugs smuggled into the US and you gun grabbers think banning assault weapons will stop criminals from acquiring them? Foolish thinking.

    If a gun ban would work, then logic would dictate that a drug ban would work as well, see how that is going for us. Just like our troops can not reason with Al Qaeda or Hamas, we can not reason with criminals and the only chance we have is to fight force with force, sweet words will not sway them to leave us be.

    Taking away a particular tool will only take it away from the people that are willing to obey the law. At best, a criminal will simply use a different tool. These knee jerk reactions by Liberals are only feel good laws are a false sense of security.

    While I am a Conservative and am against any more gun control, I am all for a Universal Background Check, however, that is where the line is drawn. A National Gun Registry is not going to happen, at least not without turning millions of people into criminals. In every single incident across the globe over the past 100 years, when a country created a national gun registry, confiscation followed soon after. Do not think we, the citizens of the last bastion of true freedom in the world are going to fall for your authoritarian pipe dream this time.

    What gun grabbers do NOT care about is what happens to law abiding citizens, when they lose their ability to defend themselves and their homes. For the very same reason it is better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent man to be imprisoned, It is much worse to strip the rights of 80-100 million for the actions of thousands of criminals.

    While Liberals want everyone disarmed or handicapped in their means of self defense, they are all for early release of criminals that have committed violent crimes and there are many people that have even been convicted of murder set free again, only to kill again. If Liberals were serious about reducing crime, they would take off the gloves and get serious about punishing criminals that break the thousands of laws on the books.

    If someone commits a violent act, harming an innocent person, they should be put away for much longer than they are now. If someone murders an innocent person in the commission of a crime, they should be put to death. Period. Most crimes are committed by repeat offenders. Take the offenders off the streets and you put a HUGE dent in crime, but no, that would not fit into their agenda of showing just how bad all people are and that no one should be able to own a gun.

    In closing, our government refuses to close the borders, allows non-citizens to walk amongst us, allows criminals numerous chances to regain their freedom, only to re-offend; does little in the way of mental health screening, allows the FDA to pump all kinds of psychotropic drugs into people and then wants to punish the people simply living their lives lawfully, taking care of their families and being victimized by the very people the government allows to roam within our ranks. If this is the direction that is going to be taken, then maybe each time an innocent person is murdered by a repeat offender, the judge or bureaucrat responsible for his release is given the same treatment the innocent victim received.

  • jopa

    Now in todays world a criminal can ride around with an assault rifle and the law cannot do anything about it until someone gets killed.If it were a crime to possess such rifle the criminal with it would lose it immediately and perhaps locked up before killing someone.I am for gun rights and I am a little apprehensive when it comes to legislation on these matters.The NRA with their idiotic rants and claims isn’t really helping anything when they can’t even come to the table with a meaningful conversation.So far I believe we need the limitations on clips and assault rifles.It just seems to be the popular gun of choice for the crazies today.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brandon.donavan Brandon Donavan

      Your logic is flawed. Anyone with a felony conviction (aka criminal) is not allowed to possess a rifle and be riding around with it. So, you think yet another law, which, restricts NON-Criminals from having them is going to make the criminal think twice? Do you Liberals truly believe you can wish guns out of existence as you have done drugs? Oh wait…you are all for legalization of drugs.

      The NRA has had many civil discussions on this matter and your pundits like Piss Morgan go on shouting tirades, calling people “unbelievably stupid” when he is getting his butt handed to him in a debate.

      Also, I find it “unbelievably stupid” of you Liberals to talk about “assault rifles” that are not even remote the same as what the DoD defines an Assault Weapon, one which has selective fire mode. All of these rifles are semi-automatic only and they function the very same way as some of the most popular “non assault” rifles out there.

      This is your dumbest and most typical Lib speak:
      “So far I believe we need the limitations on clips and assault rifles.It just seems to be the popular gun of choice for the crazies today.”

      Rifles were used in LESS THAN 400 murders last year. Over 70+ % of of murders with guns last year were with handguns and you say rifles are the popular guns of choice. NO. They are the targeted gun of the government to demonize so that they can sway you mindless idiots into the belief that they need to be outlawed. They know that if they decide to become a tyrannical, oppressive government, they will face more resistance.

  • Seraph

    I’m a white, average American middle-class conservative that happens to live in a neighborhood that I could walk down the street on any given day and buy a decent pistol (9mm/25) handgun for $75. If I wanted an AK or m-series full auto assault weapon (rifle) it may take me a half a day and perhaps $500 for the gun; another $750 for 5 full clips. I wouldn’t care about guns, laws, or otherwise. Making them “illegal” would simply up the price; plain and simple truth.

    This country is full of criminals whom sell guns, drugs, and anything they can their hands on to make a profit; ; trying to stem the flow of drugs, guns and money by legislation is as smart as planting daffodils and saying a prayer; we, as a people, need to fund our police to enforce the laws that are already on “the books”; that means watching our judges and DA’s/state attorneys to make sure that they understand that the laws apply to everyone.

    More cops, less criminals. Seems like a fairly simple algorithm.

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