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Obama’s Glaring Omission

September 22, 2010 by  

Obama’s Glaring Omission

At the Congressional Hispanic Caucus meeting Sept. 15, President Barack Obama quoted from the Declaration of Independence during his speech.

In talking about what bound together the people from so many cultures and made them Americans, he said, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; endowed with certain unalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

What the Declaration actually says is: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness (capital letters in original manuscript, emphasis added).”

What he left out of the quote is significant for a couple of reasons. First, it demonstrates that Obama is probably not a Christian, White House protestations to the contrary. I realize that his mouthpieces have said he is, but a Christian is known by his works. And forsaking the assembly of the saints (Heb. 10:25) for more than two years is not the work of a Christian. It’s more than likely — based on Obama’s actions and what is known about his upbringing — that Obama is either an atheist or agnostic.

But being a Christian is not a prerequisite for holding the office of President, and Obama’s faith — or lack thereof — is his own business.

The second, and main reason, the omission is important is that it demonstrates Obama’s view of where our rights come from. Obama views the Constitution as a list of negative rights: That is, a list of things the government is not allowed to do. And he thinks that is a bad thing, as he has said on more than one occasion.

Obama believes that government is Supreme, and if he worships anything it is at the altar of Big Government.

If Obama were to acknowledge that our rights come from a Creator he would have to acknowledge that only the Creator can take those rights away. But if government grants those rights, as Obama believes, then government can take them away whenever and however it so desires.

 

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • dan az

    That dose not suprise me,didnt he make mistakes at his inauguration speech then retake it in the hallway on the quran? What was it that he left out the word God?He dosent seem like the type to forget anything!
    I really dont care if anyone dosent believe he is a muslim because I cant find anything this usurper has said to be true from the minute he started flapping his purple lips. They the muslims have their boy in place and they are here in numbers what do you think the odds are that there wont be another 9/11 so as he can be the dictator that they paid for?

    • Jana

      dan az,
      I agree with you on this. Obama does not talk like a Christian, he does not act like a Christian, nor is his walk like a Christian. Anyone that would go into a college and have them put black material over the picture of Christ that has a long standing in that hall, is not only screaming out his disdain for the Christian religion, but he is demonstrating his disdain for the Christian religion. His actions speak so much louder than the words of his staff in the White House. I don’t understand why he is ashamed of his Islamic belief so much that he has to hide it.

      • dan az

        Jana
        I dont think he is hiding it he just lies about it.Thats what they where taught to do best lie.I didnt hear about the black cover over Christ until now,He sounds more like the satan want to be then a muslim!He will be impeached just after November and maybe we can bring to sanity back to our lives.

        • EddieW

          Your right…he IS the Pathological Liar…like his Father…the DEVIL!!! I have met a few others, and they absolutely cannot tell the truth!! It’s a horrible affliction!!

          • Kate8

            Here is yet another of Obama’s big lies come to light. This one is about the Shirley Sherrod charade, and the truth behind it.

            Prepare to be shocked.

            : Pigford vs Glickman – scandal – Shirley Sherrod – OOPS!

            This moron has set race relations back 100 years.

            A little something that the Prez forgot to mention to us……

            CHEEZ! MORE GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION! WHEN WILL IT STOP?!

            This came in this morning in response to the WSJ article published yesterday on Obama dividing America on race. There is no need to make any other comment other than pass along this mind boggling information…all comments that follow are from this article:

            Andrew Breitbart is a media genius. He proved it originally with his brilliant handling of the ACORN ‘hooker’ scandal which he skillfully manipulated so that the corrupt media was forced, against its will, to broadcast corruption in one of Obama’s most powerful political support groups. But Breitbart’s handing of that affair is nothing compared to his brilliant manipulation of the Shirley Sherrod ‘white farmer’ scandal.
            It all began Monday, July 22, 2010. As the country watched in horror, Breitbart released a snippet of a tape on his “Big Government” site which showed an obscure black female official of the Dept. of Agriculture laughing to a roomful of NAACP members about how she’d discriminated against a destitute white farmer and refused to give him the financial aid he desperately needed.

            As she smirked to the room, she’d sent him instead to a white lawyer – ‘one of his own kind’ – for help. The black woman was Shirley Sherrod – and almost immediately she became the center of a firestorm of controversy which exploded throughout the country. Within a day of the release of that infamous tape, the head of the Dept. of Agriculture, spurred on by Obama, demanded – and received – Sherrod’s resignation. Breitbart had won.
            But then seemingly Breitbart’s actions began to explode in his face. As Sherrod screamed in protest, FOX News released the entire text of her speech last March to the NAACP. And there on tape Sherrod was shown supposedly repenting of her racism against a white farmer and instead championing his fight to win funds to keep his farm afloat. Within hours of that entire tape being revealed, the entire world turned against Andrew Breitbart. Conservatives throughout the country were enraged that he’d endangered their reputations by releasing a ‘doctored’ tape. Breitbart, they thundered, had dealt a fatal blow to the conservative media.

            I confess that I also was horrified at what I saw as the clumsiness and stupidity of Breitbart in ‘doctoring’ a tape to make a supposedly innocent woman look guilty. But now I discover I have been as guilty of haste to judgment of Breitbart as the Dept. of Agriculture was of Ms. Sherrod.
            Only now am I realizing the real purpose for Breitbart’s release of that tape snippet. It was to allow him to cunningly trick the media into exposing one of the most shocking examples of corruption in the federal government – a little known legal case called “Pigford v. Glickman.”
            http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/07/27/pigford-v-glickman-86000-claims-from-39697-total-farmers/?singlepage=true

            “In 1997, 400 African-American farmers sued the United States Department of Agriculture, alleging that they had been unfairly denied USDA loans due to racial discrimination during the period 1983 to 1997.” The case was entitled “Pigford v. Glickman” and in 1999, the black farmers won their case. The government agreed to pay each of them as much as $50,000 to settle their claims.
            But then on February 23 of this year, something shocking happened in relation to that original judgment. In total silence, the USDA agreed to release more funds to “Pigford”.” The amount was a staggering $1.25 billion. This was because the original number of plaintiffs – 400 black farmers – had now swollen in a class action suit to include a total of 86,000 black farmers throughout America .
            There was only one teensy problem. The United States of America doesn’t have 86,000 black farmers. According to accurate and totally verified census data, the total number of black farmers throughout America is only 39,697.

            Oops.

            Well, gosh – how on earth did 39,697 explode into 86,000 claims? And how did $50,000 explode into $1.25 billion? Well, folks, you’ll just have to ask the woman who not only spearheaded this case because of her position in 1997 at the “Rural Development Leadership Network,” but whose family received the highest single payout (approximately $13 million) from that action – Shirley Sherrod.

            Oops again.
            Yes, folks. It appears that Ms. Sherrod had just unwittingly exposed herself as the perpetrator of one of the biggest fraud claims in the United States – a fraud enabled solely because she screamed racism at the government and cowed them into submission. And it gets even more interesting.

            Ms. Sherrod has also exposed the person who aided and abetted her in this race fraud. As it turns out, the original judgment of “Pigford v. Glickman” in 1999 only applied to a total of 16,000 black farmers. But in 2008, a junior Senator got a law passed to reopen the case and allow more black farmers to sue for funds. The Senator was Barack Obama.

            Because this law was passed in dead silence and because the woman responsible for spearheading it was an obscure USDA official, American taxpayers did not realize that they had just been forced in the midst of a worldwide depression to pay out more than $1.25 billion to settle a race claim.
            But Breitbart knew. And on Monday, July 22, 2010, he cleverly laid a trap which Sherrod – and Obama – stumbled headfirst into which has now resulted in the entire world discovering the existence of this corrupt financial judgment. Yes, folks – Breitbart is a genius.

            As for Ms. Sherrod? Well, she’s discovered too late that her cry of ‘racism’ to the media which was intended to throw the spotlight on Breitbart has instead thrown that spotlight on herself – and her corruption. Sherrod has vanished from public view. Her ‘pigs,’ it seems, have come home to roost.

            Oink!

            Federal corruption at its best, and you are paying for it.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, as usual you’ve done it once again. And,YES, Brietbart is brilliant and backs up everything he puts out with the real facts.
            Keep after ‘em and fight the good fight fellow patriot.

          • dan az

            Kate8
            Idid see that a while back and tried to share it with everyone I hope everyone sees it this time Thanks

        • CJ

          One accepted theory of morals acknowledges it IS MORAL to lie, if the ends justifies the means. People need to wake up and realize EVERYTHING that is being done by Obama IS INTENTIONAL!

        • MIKED

          I SURE HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT,BECAUSE IF HE IS NOT IMPEACHED AFTER NOVEMBER I AM GOING TO BE PISSED***THE COMMIE HAS BROKE MORE LAWS AND CONTITUTIONAL RULES THEN YOU CAN COUNT IF IT WERE NOT FOR ALL THE NAZICRATS HE HAS PROTECTING HIM HE WOULD HAVE WENT DOWN BY NOW

          • Joyce from Loris

            I am with you, Miked. As hard as we have worked to get conservatives into the Congress and Senate, if they do not IMMEDIATELY starts procedures to impeach Obama, I am afraid this nation of conservatives will erupt! We have had it, and we don’t want two more years of this creature in office. We want him impeached, and tried for treason. So, if the newly elected conservatives think that WE THE PEOPLE are going to stand down once they are in office, boy, are they in for a rude awakening. The battle will have just begun!

        • Christin

          dan az,
          That’s the conclusion that I kind of came up with, too.

          BO’s definately not a Christian and not really a Muslim either.

          He went to a Black Liberation Theology (marxist) “Church” for 20 years, but now I find that BO is gay so the Muslim thing doesn’t fit either.

          Reference: http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/why-obama-is-subject-to-blackmails/

          (I find I can not open this site during the day so if you have that problem also then try in the evening or at night.)

          So I conclude he does not appear to have a traditional religious belief. We are all trying to fit him into one of the known religious faiths. Perhaps he serves no one, and nothing, or maybe just Satan.

          • dan az

            christin
            seems like they took it off the site but I think I know which one you where trying to get out there.Was it the one that the guy confessed to giving him head in the limo when allahoboma bought cocaine for the guy and crack for him self? And all of his but buddies that died because they where going to talk? Anyway thanks for trying if I run across it again Ill try to send it out! Keep the powder dry

          • Christin

            dan az,
            No it is not that one… ha, ha- sorry I have to laugh a little as you were being a little graphic. I have not read that one.

            It is the article, “Why Obama Is Subject To Blackmails” and describes a gay bath house, Man’s Country, in uptown Chicago where BO and Rahm Emmanuel frequented. It also states BO was with the Choir Director of guess whose church… Rev. Wright, but that guy is deceased now as are two others. It goes on to name others he is and was with. I was pretty shocked to read it is “commonplace” among some elected officials to have this behavior.
            I would say that is not the kind of American leader we need.

      • Bob

        Jana What college was that? I’d like to research it.

        • Claude Greulich

          Bob,
          I believe that was Notre Dame!

        • Kinetic1

          I believe this is a reference to his backdrop request for a televised speech at Georgetown University.

          “The White House,” she added, “wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches.”

          Turns out, the usual movable drapery barriers were not tall enough to hide the cross and IHS emblem, a traditional Catholic abbreviation for the name of Jesus Christ. So the school agreed to cloak the entire wall structure with the religious symbols. LA Times, April 16, 2009

          Note that it was not a portrait of Christ being covered. Sounds like the White house chose not to give the impression that they were representing any one religion, but it does seem like it would have been easier to pick a different location. I don’t see this as a sign of the anti Christ or anything like that, but if that’s the direction your minds are headed, so be it.

          • independant thinker

            I do not see obama being the anti-Christ. As I understand it the anti-Christ must be acceptable by both the Jews and Arabs (muslims) as well as the rest of the world. I just do not see obama being accepted by all these factions. Assuming one believes in the anti-Christ obama may well be the set-up man preparing the world for him.

        • Dennis Peterson

          The boy is a graduate of Colubia University and Harvard Law School. Take a hard look @ his background for the answers to you questions.

          • Dennis Peterson

            oops, spell that COLUMBIA, sorry

          • Bus

            You can take the boy out of Islam but you can’t take the Islam out of the boy…What he wanted to say was “endowed by Allah”

          • Bob

            Notre Dame A catholic school supposedly against abortion lets this Commie speak there. Doesn’t say much for their principles.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Dennis, that is kinda hard to do, considering that he spent $1.7 million to have all his records sealed. I can’t find out much about him, and the only things I can find is his voting records from being in the Senate. NO VOTE seems to have been his MO.

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        If he did not hide it he would not have been elected president.He calls the Bible the Bible and he calls the koran the holy koran.America,wake up and smell the muslims. They are here and will not stop until you convert or die.That is what the koran teaches. Look at chapter 9 verse 30. Kill the jews and christians and all non believers. Look up chapter 9–ver 5 chap-47–ver-4 chap-8 ver 12-17 ect. America,lets all wake up.

      • coal miner
        • Jana

          coal ole boy,
          You are like a pebble in my shoe and will not be missed when you are gone. You make no sense. We know you hate God, we know you love Obama. We know you want this country to become Socialistic or Islamism.

    • FlaJim

      This has nothing to do with what faith or cult the boy in the White House believes in. He left out “by their Creator” because he doesn’t believe any rights come from anywhere that’s not government granted.

      It was about a year ago that the boy was publicly bemoaning the fact that the Constitution and other founding documents granted so few ‘rights’ to the federal government.

      • Robert

        Obama does not do what the constitution says.
        He only does what The New World Order tells him to do.
        He is pushin for a one world government and we must all face that fact.
        Please go to www://infowars.com
        Here what Alex Jones has to say.
        We live in a police state and we must understand this.

        • Warrior

          Correct, His religious believes are just a sideshow. Keep your eye on the donut and not the hole. This guy is just a tool for the NWO and their plan for redistribution of wealth and power over everyone. Believe me, the Clinton’s and every democrap that is aligned with the regime are every bit as evil as this dude.

          Interesting to hear that the little pathetic despot from Iran proclaim yesterday that Capitalism is dead. What America needs to do is give all these socialist a collective single finger salute and then go out and prove to the world we are still the greatest country on this green planet.

          • Joyce from Loris

            I’m with you, Warrior! And let’s take down that awful UN building as well. I am tired of trying to be “nice” and “acceptable”. I just want my COUNTRY back. If loving it is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

          • Harold

            I agree give them the unidigit salute as you wave bye

          • American Citizen

            Hear, hear!

          • dan az

            Hey warrior lets just moon them instead!

        • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

          Robert—Keep telling us until we wake-up. Thanks.Good job!!!!

        • Judy

          Speaking of the ‘new world order’ google ‘Bilderberger’ for a real eye-opener. There is nothing new abut the ‘new world order’. This ineligible resident-in-chief was actually flown to Europe to be vetted by the group before he was allowed to run for president.

          I too followed a legal case that was filed during obama’s campaign. The suit was filed by a gay man that met obama in a gay bar. They shared cocaine and sex. Two days before the trial was to begin everything went silent. The media never picked up on it. Surprise! It was on the internet.

      • TIME

        Jim,
        Really its very simple Barry Soetoro thinks he is “GOD”, see now thats cleared up perhaps the American people will get a set and toss the lump of of crap out of office along with the rest of his loony squad, before its way to late.

        • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

          Don’t forget to wash your hands after throwing all of those lying elected officals out. They are for the people,the people they can control or squash.

        • anlyztht

          Time, why do these sites always have right wingers pretending to be former democrats who voted for President Obama, and now “regret it”, or whites pretending to be black? Thought you might have the answer to that.

          • coal miner

            anlyzht,

            These morons are pretending to be black,they are not only liars,but hard core racist as well.Time,if he is black,he is what blacks would called him an oreo cookie,black on the outside and white on inside.He is an insult to any race.I think he is pathological liar.You are right.

      • Sam

        Your language – calling the PResident – “boy” – is quite indicative of your racist beliefs – Racism is ignorance magnified…As for covering up the picture of Christ – the person who commented above is correct in saying that it was likely so that no religion was favored. This is typical of most political events unless they are trying to make a statement in oine direction or the other. But honestly as the President of the United States he should not be favoring one religion over another as we have many religions here and in the world. by the way – Muslims believe in God too.

        Your prejudices only divide us all further and in no way contributes to PEACE in the world.

        • TIME

          SAM,
          “Peace is a state of mind” and never will be in a world with people who are {not perfect}, as we are all not perfect the question to the answer is obvious, that peace is a state of mind.

          And by the way just where did you see me call Barry Soetoro BOY?

          And even if I did, I am as black as he is of what shows you are clueless about how blacks interact with each other.

          • Shibamom

            Way to go Time!!

          • Christin

            TIME,
            I believe Sam meant to address FlaJim.

          • anlyztht

            Time, you’re Black, and the Pope is a Baptist.

          • dan az

            anlyztht
            If my memory is correct I think he is also Indian am I mistaken time?

        • MIKED

          NO THE BOY ODUMA IS DIVIDING THIS COUNTRY,AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH CALLING HIM BOY OR SHOULD I CALL HIM HALF-CRACKER

        • FEDUP

          sam do you realize that by screaming racist everytime someone disagrees with you that you are actually creating more of a race problem? if it were not for the msm and looney liberals who use race as an excuse for everything the race relations in this country would not be in the state they are? i do not like obamas politics nor his beliefs yet i am labeled a racist for that reason. Were all the blacks that did not like George Bush labeled racist for the last eight years? What about the hispanics? Why not? I would like someone to please explain why? Why are we all called racist? But since obama is only 50% black does that mean i am only 50% racist for not liking his politics? Does that then mean that all blacks are actually 50% racist?

          • Shibamom

            That is an AWESOME question Fedup! I would love to know why I’m considered a racist just because I don’t support Obama’s policies or his politics. My fight is against a Socialist/Communist Government that keeps weasling it’s way into my life and telling me what I have to do or not do. THAT is what I don’t like. It wouldn’t matter if Obama were as white as I am…if he touted a socialist government, I would still be against it and him!!

            I really wish that all races in America would just understand this one thing: Obama’s administration, the current Congress & Senate ALL want us to hate each other and the best way to do that is to pit us against each other using race. If you give in, then they win and you have a nervous breakdown and start hating life in general. But if you resist, let go, and let OUR GOD take care of things, then you will be much more clear minded for the battle at hand which is to cleanse our white house of the current trash inhabiting it!

        • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

          Sounds to me like you want to move to the middle east or move the middle east here. This is a Christian nation and no lying muslim president or not will never change that. I know he ran on change but America will never change to islam. I will not learn how to make a prayer rug and face porkville mecca and our muslim president will be out in 2012 if him and pelosi and reid do not take us down first….

        • neal

          you can all say what you want about Obamas past worshipping and what his religion is but it wont make a difference if we dont get his ass and all his asskissing followers out of office come Nov. But we also need to understand, the President does not have the right to force his will, wants, and desires onto the American Public… Just because he tells his clan in DC that HE wants to get the UN to take our GUNS from our hands, doesn t mean it will happen. If it was passed, you can damn well believe THERE WILL BE ANOTHER REVELUTION IN THIS COUNTRY. i AM A PROUD EX MILITARY AMERICAN, TRAINED TO KILL BY MY COUNTRY, NOW IF MY COUNTRY WANTS MY FIREARMS THEY WILL HAVE TO PRY THEM FROM MY DEAD FINGERS AND THAT WONT BE IN MY HOME STATE WHERE THAT HAPPENS….

        • American Citizen

          Allah is not the same God that we believe in. Their Allah of the Koran is a cruel God, while the God of the Bible is a loving God. Jesus said, “He who sees Me sees the Father.”

        • Joyce from Loris

          Time, there will never be “Peace in the world”. People are just too different. That’s why God separated us all in the beginning. We can’t get along. That’s why people in the middle east need to BE in the middle east. People in asia need to BE in asia, etc. We can’t get along! It’s hard enough for Americans to get along, but you bring in all the other cultures from mexico, saudi arabia, asia, well you then have a horrible time of trying to please everyone. So, since I am an American, I say…. All of you just go back where you came from, where you will be widely accepted. We Americans will just stay here, and try hard to force our government to mind their own business.

    • Al Sieber

      He’s trying hard to make us believe he’s a Christian, it isn’t working.

  • s c

    It doesn’t really matter if this prez is a Christian, a Muslim, an agnostic or an atheist. What does matter is that he’s not good for America.
    Many things he says can be taken at least two ways. Based on what I’ve seen and heard so far, I’d say he’s a member of the First Church of the Political Semanticist.
    Mr. Obama hasn’t dared to claim that he has a “covenant” with the American people (Bubba Clinton pulled that half-assed stunt). Mr. Obama’s ego seems to be of paramount importance to him, and in some ways he makes Bubba Clinton seem tame in comparison.
    Mr. Obama is where he is to put himself first, and if anything positive gets done for America, it will be a fluke. I see no reason to look at him as a leader. If he was in the White House as long as FDR, he’ll still be a non-leader.
    Anybody can be a talking head or an empty suit, and Mr. Obama seems to prove that on a daily basis, even after almost two years.

    • Jana

      sc,
      I love how you get right down to the point.

    • dan az

      sc
      you are in way to good a mood thats the first time Ive seen you write mr oboma scary dont you think?

      • s c

        Dan az, I can’t call him Herr Obummer all of the time, so doing it 99% of the time lets me sleep at night.

        • Bus

          I think it does matter if he is Muslim, particularly since we are at war with a group of Muslims. At any other time it might not matter but can we trust him to carry out the war on terrorist Islamofacists if his heart leans to their side.
          Would he have been elected had he been forthright in his beliefs? I doubt it.

        • marvin

          s c , obama is neither a sir a mr or a president or a christian his big ass wife yep the one with the big mouth that spent over 2million tax payer dollars to fly to spain the one that said she has never been proud of this country,both her and odubo went to same church for 20 years and same old rev wright,i find it hard to believe,they have changed,less see his mom the hoe was not a christan his dad or dad,s who ever they were was was not christan he lived in kenya for the first 10 or so years of his life not a christan country, you won,t or don,t read a doument the way it is written think being gay is ok that illegal is not criminal

        • Conservatives United

          I call him THE ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I refuse to call him the President, as that would be Dishonoring the office.

        • dan az

          sc
          Good for you sleep tight!

    • Shibamom

      Boy…you described our pretend president to a tee!! He is extremely arrogant and egotistical as hell. He gave himself away when he “lectured” America on religious tolerance at the beginning of the Ground Zero mosque issue. If I hadn’t already disliked him, for various reasons, I would have begin disliking him then. NEVER in my life have I EVER heard a president of the USA scold the citizens like I did that day. He has got to go before this country is totally destroyed and I have to go back to the days before women got to vote!!

    • neal

      I would like to know why we still call the past A$$holes with the “President” introduction!!! They are not the President, they are however, yesterdays bad news that people or themselves keep throwing in our face just to give them a book deal or some other way to get them more money cuz they can t live on their Million Dollar a year salery know as their retirement. Why doesn t my retirement jump as much as the EX Pres’s of our country

  • Viktor Leben

    He doesn’t understand the concept of the Logos/Creator. He needs to study the Gospel of John, the first chapter.

    One Philosopher said the word Logos (Word) can be translated as Logic. In the beginning was the Logic. Interesting way to look at the Creator. The “aleph tav” of Genesis 1:1 and the “Alpha Omega” of Revelations…

    Jesus Christ, the Creator …..

    • kim

      Christianity is a very logical belief and the art of Apologetics utilizes logic. God is the Truth.Truth is proven through logic.

  • Jana

    Another point this shows is that he is picking and choosing WHAT he wants to follow out of the Constitution.
    Obama seems to do that on a lot of things, this picking and choosing what rules to follow. He lives by his own rules but they go against rules of the United States that we have are to abide by, ie: The Constitution.

  • THINK ABOUT

    Just who had declared any of you deciding whether Obama is christian or not. His faith or choices is his, it is his path to walk. From the comments and post on this site and others sure does not go along with the teachings of Jesus. I would rather stand or sit by the side of Jesus when he fed the hungry and loved everyone than to stand and judge whether Obama is christian. These claims of Obama not being a christian is radical, being radical sure does not make one right, I pray that each will search your own hearts and get back to the teachings of Jesus.

    • Dave Reno

      Well Think About, sounds like you don’t get out much. All you have to do is compare his words to his deeds to see the disconnect!

    • thinking

      Jesus could see what is in our hearts, we are human and have to determine what is in the heart of Obama. If he is an agent of satan we are not to stand by and do nothing, as Jesus often told satan and his followers to leave.

      • THINK ABOUT

        Just whom do you propose to tell you if anyone or even you are or are not an agent of Satan. I will state again this is everyone’s personal decision, a walk they can only do themselves. For everyone who wants to proclaim him not a christian probably is not one themselves. Are you sure you are a christian?

        • independant thinker

          The definition of Christian is one who believes Christ is the only way to Heaven. Obama has stated that he believes there are many paths to heaven. You decide.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes he did, but also did one of his biggest fans Oprah! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Think about it,
            If YOU would bother to read the Bible, you would know how to properly discern good “fruit” from bad “fruit”.
            If you cannot discern this then you can easily be led astray. Your post tells anyone that is a Christian that has studied God’s Word, that either you are a baby in Christ (as you don’t know what you are talking about) or you are not a Christian.

        • American Citizen

          You will know them by their fruits, it’s in the Bible. Obama claims to be a Christian, but his deeds don’t live up to that claim. Also, some of the stuff he says, such as we all get to Heaven or nobody does, is total ignorance as to what the Bible says. We will each be judged individually.

        • Christin

          Think About,
          God gives Christians discernment to see that which is good and evil. And I am not talking about the folks who go to church twice a year on Easter and Chrismas. I’m talking about the faithful who pray daily and attend church to be with the Body of Christ and in the presence of God weekly.

          In Galatians 5: 22-23 it says “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,self-control…”

          This is how I can tell if someone I am talking to or spending time with is Godly. When I am in the presence of many Christians (not all) I see many of these traits and feel encouraged and happy, but when I am in the presence of one who is lost and just plain evil I feel like a semi-trailor truck just ran over me … it is so dark being with them.

          I do not feel encourged, loved or happy when listening to obama. He lies to us. Only God really knows if he is a Christian, but the facts are against it. He attended Black liberation theology for 20 years (Godless Marxism), did not find a new church home near DC for two years now, is a practicing gay and frequented Man’s Country gay bath house in uptown Chicago and now three people appear to be dead (bodies are dropping, not a good sign), attended islamic mosque as a child, visits mosques abroad, but not churches, bows to kings as NO other president has (I will bow to King Jesus) and supports Ground Zero mosque while allowing dicrimination of Christians, hangs out with Radicals who believe in depopulation and Redistribution of Wealth and the UN and NWO which is evil…

          It is in our BEST interest to be governed by like minded people so that we know they will protect our Rights and the people from those that wish to harm us.

          Think About, I am just not finding any reasons to believe he has the Christian Values that Americans are looking for in a President of the United States of America, nor the dedication to a Founding Father’s Constitutional America full of Freedoms, Liberty and God given Rights that We the People want and need. In fact, he and his wife Hate America and wish to “fundamentally transform” it. Why?… it is already the BEST blueprint for a free country that has been tried and proven good. I believe as the Government leaders also believe that a president should be a church going Christian that is why they have gone to such great lengths to cover up his Rev. Wright experience and get him to a church last Sunday to “put on airs” that he is when many citizens think he is muslim.

          • dan az

            Christin
            I replied to your post earlier and now I know we where talking about the same thing.Keep up the good work!

    • Marlene LMT TEXAS

      I believe that whether he is Christian/Muslim/agnostic/etc is of little importance where he is concerned and the discussion is simply a wag the dog, that keeps us from seeing his real intent-into which he gave a little insite recently when he talked about fixing the United Nations. He wants to rule the world and will bow to any one-Saudi Arabia included-that will help him achieve his goal and he cannot “rule the world” without the Muslims-who will turn their backs on him as soon as he is no longer useful to them or better yet use him in life and death to further Islam-after all that is the goal-kinda reminds me of the Borg in Star Trek. “YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!” And I am not laughing…

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Think About…. Barry has managed to get elected and put in power of a very large powerful country, which makes everything he says and does the business of the voters. I did not vote for him, nor would I vote for anyone who has a Muslim background with my knowledge of how Muslims hate Christians. Our country was founded on Christian values. Of course we do not know his heart; only God does, but his words and actions do not give any indication that he is truly a Christian. Am I judging him? Not really. God gave us the ability to make decisions for our well-being, and he is not a good decision that was made by the voters. We are stuck with him, but still entitled to call it as we see it!

      • darlene

        As Christians, we obey the laws of the land, and fortunately we are still allowed to speak up against evil. Robin from Arcadia has said it well, as many others, and we are big enough numbers to take our country back and repair the damage that has been done. God Bless America!!

        • TIME

          Darlene,

          No thats not quite right. As Humans and Americans its “YOUR DUTY” to not only fight the wrongs of the laws passed by Congress and the Senate its your RIGHT to do so.

          By keeping your mouths shut and folloing like a helpless sheep is whats gotten us into this bloody mess we now face.

          Wake up all of you, do your duty and stop wanting someone else to do your job.
          You don’t get paid to save your country you have a country as a reward.
          But if you all want to be SLAVES of what you now are 50% commited by the laws you all have allowed to be written into law. Then we are all doomed.

          • Kate8

            If government tries to impose laws that are contrary to God’s Laws, then we have a right and a duty to refuse to obey them.

            Only our Constitution is Law in America. Anything else Congress passes is statute, and statutes are not to contradict or overreach Constitutional Law. Any such statute that is contrary to the Constitution is null and void, and if we choose to obey them anyway, then they will continue to become more intrusive and controlling, as they have. We’ve failed to keep them in check.

            Throw them all out.

          • dan az

            Time and kate
            very well put!

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      Think About – You are correct when you say it does not matter from a personal standpoint what his faith or religion is. However, the crucial point you are missing (and has been clarified several times by other readers) is that he does not believe that our rights come from God, he’s making that quite evident. That’s a big deal because that is the basis of which the Constitution and our Rights are founded.

      As for loving everyone. Do you know the bible or are you yet another Christian that likes to pick and bend verses or bits of verses that support your belief? Look, there is no doubt we are told to love our enemies but He also said (Matthew 10:34)..”Think not that I have come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” And the chapter goes on to say how He will set our very households against each other due to those that stand for His namesake.

      I’m not trying to get preachy but if you are going to speak biblically you should have a better understanding of it. There are many verses that support tolerance but tolerance in the sense to “witness” and teach them the correct way. There are also many verses of God commanding nations be utterly destroyed. How many times did He rebuke the pharisees in the New Testament? How about when he came to the temple (in John) on the Sabbath destroying their selling tables etc? Did that seem peaceful and loving to you? Look, I could go on but my point is this. Obama’s religion is his own affair. However he is in a position as “leader” of a country that is predominately Christian, founded on the principles (regarding our rights as a HUMAN race) of a Christian/Judeo God. You cannot believe in that and then turn around and say but we should love our enemies, so give us your socialistic agenda and we will conform because we are told we should love you. And in essence, that is what you are saying. If you understand socialism then you know it means they decide what is best for you and what you will do. So then if they decide (hypothetically speaking to convey a point) that you are now to become a Muslim, what say you then? Do you still love your enemy?

      Matthew 32 Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Wonderful analogy, Strawberry Shortcake! I love it, and thank you for it.

      • Kinetic1

        Even the most religious among us picks and choses, bends and folds the word to fit their need. The Bible is full of contradictions and can be used to support almost any argument.

        • Strawberry Shortcake

          It actually is not full of the contradictions that one might think. There absolutely is a common thread that ties it all together…but that is a completely different discussion.

          • TIME

            Strawberry,
            Your right and to try and tell a person who has the common sense of a box of rusty nails would present a problem to even Christ himself.

          • http://naver samurai

            Right on Strawberry Shortcake! Kinetic1 isn’t a christian and has been in darkness for so long that he can never see the light. No light is that bright for his little lib mind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • moonbeam

          To you the bible is full of contradictions because you don’t understand what you are reading and you are leaning unto your own understanding.

          There are no contradictions or errors in the bible. The errors come from misinterpretation. Preachers misinterpret the bible all the time. God says in His Word “Even the elite will be deceived.”

          If a church preaches that christmas and easter have everything to do with Jesus, that pastor has been deceived and does not understand the bible. If there is one thing I tell people it is this: Listen LESS to these preachers and listen to MORE to God. That is, if you want to know truth.

          When ten Christians in a room, I can pretty much guarantee you will get 10 different interpretations of the bible.

    • Jim the duped

      Its your preference to have and embrace a non christian leader of our Christian based nation built upon Christian values and ideals of our founding fathers. If you prefer Islam, there is still a lot of room in the Sahara desert for you and your like minded friends!

      • Kinetic1

        It was the decision of our founders to create a Republic that recognizes ALL religions and denies ANY religious test for the office of President. To suggest that only a Christian should hold the office of President is as un-American as you can get.

        • Vigilant

          Kinetic1,

          Kudos, and thank you for explaining to the crowd the true meaning of our Constitution and the nature of our Republic!

          • Strawberry Shortcake

            You both are fools. This isn’t a matter of religious sect. You are putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. It’s about where certain rights (the really important ones that affect all people of ANY sect) come from! The very fabric of freedom. The principles that allow and PROTECT YOUR RIGHT to participate/practice in any sect of religion you choose. The President took an oath to uphold our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of “happiness” endowed by our Creator, NOT the government. By becoming President of the United States of America he SWORE to uphold those principals. PERIOD.

          • Strawberry Shortcake

            I believe my God feels that you have the right to choose to believe what you wish and that you are accountable for yourself in those choices. That you have the right to be free and do what you feel is best for your life to insure your happiness and your success…or not. Makes a lot of sense to me. Why would anyone argue that? It caters to every one of every sect in the most basic of ways. YOU get to CHOOSE. Wow. Freedom is a b’tch huh?

            It truly amazes me that ANYONE would argue this point! Why would anyone want a government to TELL them what they must do? eat? believe?

          • Vigilant

            Strawberry Shortcake:

            Aside from the fact that your rambling post failed to indicate an understanding of what we were talking about, you said:

            “The President took an oath to uphold our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of “happiness” endowed by our Creator, NOT the government.”

            If ignorance is bliss, I guess you’re a very blissful person. Take another look at the presidential oath. He swears to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Nothing in the oath that amounts to a quotation from the Declaration of Independence.

            And you call us fools!

          • Kinetic1

            SS,
            My comment was not in regards to the article, but a response to Jim.

            “Its your preference to have and embrace a non christian leader of our Christian based nation built upon Christian values and ideals of our founding fathers. If you prefer Islam, there is still a lot of room in the Sahara desert for you and your like minded friends!”

            As I read this (and it wasn’t easy) he is condemning those who would chose a “non christian leader”. My direct response was to point out that our founding father felt it important enough to put in writing that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

            I see your point, and I might agree if I had been responding to the article, but under these circumstances if I am a “fool” for pointing out this fact, then I am in the good company of our founding fathers.

          • Strawberry Shortcake

            The freedoms expressed in the Constitution are called civil liberties. Civil liberties are not granted by government to individuals. The Constitution assumes that all people automatically have these civil liberties (as our founders believed endowed to us by the Creator) which in essence restrains the government from using its power to abuse individuals. This creates a private realm of life, which government officials cannot infringe upon WITHOUT violating the Constitution. So within this domain of privacy, individuals have certain liberties of thought, belief, and action.

            I’m not sure of the point you are making Vigilant? The two are intertwined, I understand it as an entire system created by like-minded individuals with God as the common denominator. I apologize if my “ramblings” are too thought provoking for you.

          • http://naver samurai

            Strawberry Shortcake doesn’t have to apollogize for being right. It is true that you can practice your religion (worship, pray, etc.) as you wish to, but some things that Obama bin Laden has been doing are against our Christian founding. Don’t use that lib arguement that they were all deists and atheists, because we all know that’s a lie. The rights under the Constitution and in the Declaration of Independence are given to us by Almighty God and no other. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot and I like reading your posts Strawberry Shortcake. They are full of common sense and reason. Two things that the libs on this site are greatly lacking. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Good job Strawberry Shortcake.
            You explained it quite well. If ANYONE cannot comprehend it, its because he doesn’t want to.

        • alpha-lemming

          True… there is (should be) no RELIGION litmus test for ascendancy to the office of POTUS. However, the one thing the founders were UNEQUIVOCAL on is that POTUS and “We the People” be persons of the HIGHEST moral character possible, because they knew without that bedrock, havoc and destruction would surely follow. We’re all sinners in one way or another, but that doesn’t preclude us from striving for perfection. Where does one go for an education in morals??

          No….. not the Communist Manifesto.
          No….. not the Black Liberation Theological Church of Ki’ Whitey.

          I’ll suggest the 10 Commandments and Judeo/Christian teachings would be a pretty good starting point. Unless, of course, government is your religion…. or you’re and atheist in which case YOU are the deciding arbitor of what’s right/wrong, good/evil, and just know that YOU are the most important thing in the universe.

          • Kinetic1

            “I believe… that [justice] is instinct and innate, that the moral sense is as much a part of our constitution as that of feeling, seeing, or hearing; as a wise Creator must have seen to be necessary in an animal destined to live in society.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1816. ME 15:76

            Whether or not you choose to believe in a Creator, those who do believe, believe that you were created by “God”. I, therefore would agree with Jefferson that we are all, except in the most unusual of cases born with a sense of Justice and Morality. We each make the choice to follow or deny our conscience in our daily life. Those who are religious have the support of their church, their shared beliefs and perhaps the guilt imposed by the church to aid them in these choices, but this does not preclude those who are not religious from following their conscience and being good, moral people.

        • Strawberry Shortcake

          Oh my goodness I think I give up, lol. It is so difficult to have these kind of conversations through text in a way that makes people understand what you are trying to say.

          I’ll have to research the bit about any leader not having to be held to any religious test. I struggle with that “as is” because it would seem too difficult for the founding principles to co-exist with let’s say, a person of Muslim belief as leader of this country. They have to recite their oath with their hand resting on a Judeo/Christian bible. Would that then mean they could ask for the Quran to make the oath upon instead? Do you see what I am getting at? If this country was founded on a Judeo/Christian God that believes we have certain rights given to us just by being human, then how could a leader that practices a religion or belief that does not believe in those same ideals be trusted to uphold them?

          • Strawberry Shortcake

            I’m sorry Kinetic, the post the I just made was supposed to have gone under your reply to me about leaders having no religious test.

          • Kinetic1

            SS,
            It was clear as to where this reply was meant to be, so no problem here.

            Article 6 of the Constitution

            “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

            It would seem that your conflict is based on the notion that the “creator” mentioned in our Constitution must be a Judeo-Christian God. Once you set this notion aside, then it is a simple matter to accept that an elected official simply must uphold the laws of our Republic. Whether or not our laws are based on J/C principles matters little as they are America’s laws and must be recognized.

            As to swearing in, neither Theodore Roosevelt nor John Quincy Adams swore their oath on a Bible. There is no requirement here, so choosing a Quran or, as was the case with Adams a book of law makes little difference. Your word is your bond.

            Consider also these quotes;
            ..(P)roscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right. Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, 1789

            Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts only in which all religions agree (for all forbid us to steal, murder, plunder, or bear false witness), and that we should not intermeddle with the particular dogmas in which all religions differ, and which are totally unconnected with morality (Jefferson, Letter to J. Fishback, 1809).

            In both of these (the first being the basis for the religious clause in the Constitution) nothing is said about an inherent conflict between our government and any religion. To the contrary, the first addresses the intolerance of any one religion attempting to enforce it’s dogma in our government, and the second speaks to the similarities between all religions. If neither the government or the candidate attempts to interpret our laws through their religion, then there will be no conflict.

        • Jennifer

          I find it as more of a government than a religion. So I say he is Muslim and if we don’t stop it, we will all be praying to Mecca, or dead. We infidels will pay the price for the voters who put him in office if we do not wake up and soon!

    • marvin

      THINK ABOUT jesus said go and sin no more,not give me three hail mary,s and put 10 in the offering, the path to god is narrow,the path to hell is wide,judge not lest ye be judged[in layman terms you will be judge the way you have judge]if you go a round kicking sleeping dogs and talking with your foot in mouth wondering who,s ass to kick or tell the black people to get out and vote, hell i thought he was the president of america not just blacks and hispanic,s,last time i looked there where other race,s here,point when you are talking to one race of american [blacks] and say get out and vote so we don,t lose what we have gained,and did jesus say you are known by fruit you bear,and did obama not go to the un over the arizona law on illegal immigration as a human right violation a real american president this obama

  • Donald

    He has to be careful of what he says because of the “Separation of Church and State” thing. What he says in that context, doesn’t prove anmyting one way or another about his religious beliefs.

    As for re-taking the oath on a Koran, Why would he do that? Any politician would be safer not taking an oath before God or Allah or any other diety.

    • Bubba

      Sorry, but someone needs to go back and look at the “seperation of church and state” because IT IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION! So many Experts (ex=has been, spurt=drip) and not a rational mind in any of them…

      • Conservatives United

        Right On!!!! That has been the Liberal Dribble for the last 50 years, to remove God from our lives.

      • Craig

        Nobody ever said the doctrine of separation of church and state was in the constitution. It, as explained by Jefferson, the intent of the first amendment to build a wall separating the church from the gov and vis versa.

    • marvin

      Donald when you find the seperation of church and state in the constitution of the united states,come back and tell us more, one more thing look at the constitution,s of all 50 states in the first three or four lines and read what it saz,and from washington to obama all president have took oath of office in same way same words

  • Christian American

    Christian or not, when a President supports government (taxpayer) money being spent on the building of Islamic places of worship, even when they are a slap in the face to the AMERICAN’s that died on 9-11 at the World Trade Center, and Personally calls a Pastor in Florida to stop him from burning a Koran, this is pro-islamic actions.
    Especially when he does not support the 10 commandments being displayed, prayer in schools, or the teaching of Christian principles in schools. Neither is there anything said when Muslims murder citizens of Somalia, or of their own country, or behead Americans, or just kill Christians.
    But offend a Muslim and all hell breaks loose. HYPOCRITE!

    • Disgusted

      I received an email yesterday that said:
      This is the best solution I have heard. surprised that some New Yorker
      hasn’t thought of it. I am appalled at all my friends who are so opposed to the mosque near ground zero. To show our tolerance, we should let them build. Then right across the street, someone should put a topless bar, called “You Mecca Me Hot”. Next to that should be a gay bar, “The Turban Cowboy”. And next door to the mosque should be a pork rib restaurant, maybe “Iraq o’ Ribs”? Then the Muslims could be allowed to show their tolerance. Problem solved.
      Pretty funny, but not really realistic! Good for a laugh though.
      We need to stop the building of this travesty from happening.

      • Cayita

        You’re right. It needs to be stopped. Obama needs to be out of office ASAP, dead or alive. We need to get rid of all these pansy- ssed politicians that have no courage or moral fiber. My quesstion is, HOW? I live in Georgia on a limited income. There’s no way I’d be able to come as part of a collective of millions of citizens marching on Ground Zero or Washington,but I’d do it in a heartbeat if I could. We all keep saying what needs to be done, but some leadership would be helpful. Ya’ll look up Newt Gingrich’s words on the Cordoba House Mosque. So absolutley on point.

  • Christian American

    Donald your understanding of the Separation of Church and State is not correct. Please study the constitution before espousing false ideas. Nothing restricts a citizen or public official from speaking their beliefs, or basing their governing on religious principles. The Separation of Church and State is simply a restriction of the Government endorsing one religion over another.
    Such as Islam over Christianity.

    • Disgusted

      Right you are Christian American. The point of contention is that he portrayed himself to be a Christian while campaigning for office and then once he was elected there seems to have been an about-face. I personally didn’t believe he was a Christian at all, especially after his pastor incident. No true Christian would have those attitudes towards others or preach hate to their fellow “christians??”; that whole congregation was cheering and agreeing with ever word he said and you know Obama was as well. No true Christian would attend a church like that for as long as Obama did if they didn’t agree with what was being “taught”!
      I personally don’t care what a persons faith is, it is a very personal decision and every person has the right to make their own. I do however disagree with lying about who and what you are to gain an office of power (isn’t that what Satan would do?).

      • Vigilant

        If you want to find fault with every politician who lies, you’d better include every one in government. Lying is not illegal unless it’s part of “under oath” testimony, then it’s perjury (unless you’re Bill Clinton, of course).

    • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

      Words have consequences so please stop calling Islam a religion. It is a political/terrorist organization trying to operate under the cover of religion just like the KKK.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Where do you keep coming up with this KKK thing? When was the last time you say or heard from someone from the KKK? You really think there are KKK members around? Please…. they are just boogie men from the past. They do not exist anymore. Oh, there may be 6 or 7 of them, but you never hear of them doing anything.

        • Steve

          The KKK is still alive and well and living in the Democrat Party. If you don’t believe me just think about all of the legislation they have passed over the years that screws the blacks….. and they are stupid enough to keep voting for them!!!!! (Sitting here shaking head back and forth slowly in utter amazement)……..

          • TIME

            Steve, Good points, its a proven fact of real science that people will follow anything that they feel by way of emoting has effect for them, also where they don’t have to do anything but ride along.

            That also explains Al Sharpepinheaddon, he is bent, twisted, and preverted, MONEY is Al’s GOD and nothing less nothing more.

            Yet walk into a room full of his supporter and say that and watch what happens.
            Ask Al where he lives, in that nice gated Community where the home prices start at just $1.5 million and go up from there.

    • Radical Thinker

      Or forcing their new religion of social justice dow our throat

    • Jim the duped

      Right on brother.

    • Vigilant

      Or Christianity over Islam.

  • Dan

    Dan… Hope you are right BUT as a low level local politician type I have been following some of this. I don’t think Obama will be impeached after the November election. It takes a 2/3 vote IN BOTH HOUSES to impeach a president and I think there are going to be to many loyal democrats still there to GET a 2/3 vote. Sorry Hope you are right but highly doubt it happening

  • Dan

    Christian American… the Constitution says NOTHING about seperation of church and state that is something our modern politicians have invented. READ the Constitution NOWHERE does it say anything about seperation of church and State and in fact church services used to be HELD where Congress meets

  • Brad

    I’m sorry but, Obama quoting the declaration and ohmitting “by their Creator” three words in a document that guides our daily lives and forms the basis of our government. He has lowered this country, has told the world we aren’t christian, gives muslims more face time, and has proven he misses the teachings of reverend Jerimia Wright. It’s time for change and I can smell November just around the corner; I’m voting to retire Steny Hoyer, Barbara Mikulshi and Benjamin Cardin, that’s if all are on the ballot, atleast I know Steny the RAT Hoyer is up for re-election.

    • Christin

      Brad,
      I agree that obama deliberately omitted “by their Creator” from his speech. He is erasing and rewriting history for our youth with every speech he gives. He is deliberately NOT recognizing God as the Supreme Being and will lead this nation to godless marxism or is it Anti – Colonialism.

      Read “How Obama Thinks” by Dinesh D’Souza (from India)

      Go to: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem5.html

      Yet even MORE proof… If you can’t say “God” or acknowledge Him as The Creator then you are obviously NOT a Christian, but obama is gay so I don’t think he is a true Muslim follower either, though he favors them and the other ethinic groups… if you read the above article you will find out why he doesn’t like you and me. Man all I can say is this guy needs help. People he’s known, esp his father, have really done a job on his psyche and world view.

      • Kate8

        Christin, I think Obama is an opportunist, a puppet of the NWO. Nothing more, nothing less. He has the ability to make some people think he is whatever they want him to be, but he’s all illusion.

        Empty suit. Hologram. Phoney-baloney.

        He’s livin’ the high-life. What does he care if he sells a nation down the river. He’ just doing what he was trained to do, and reaping big perks while he’s at it.

        • dan az

          kate8
          phoney baloney?

  • Mark

    No one is judging the hussien obama, he is making it clear himself, by leaving God and Creator out of his teleprompter speeches, that he is not a Christian. Some of you need to pull your heads out of the rightousness of your own Bible and understand that he is saying it himself, in his words and his actions. Jesus himself, in anger, cleared the temple of the filth of money mongers. I pray, think about, that he will once again clear the room, so to speak, I would even help bury him and his followers, but hey, I am only human. I urinate at obama and all that follow him.

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Obama (may peace be upon him) is not a good leader for America. Zimbabwe perhaps, but not America, and that’s putting it mildly. A truly good leader leads, always moving forward and always within the basic framework of the Constitution and properly using the law that springs from it as his guide. Obama (may peace be upon him) makes excuses and blames his predecessor for his own limitations. Surrounded by like-minded socialist thinking “czars” to do his bidding, he leads by dictate. He ensnares the gullible and naive with “free” (“won’t cost taxpayers anything”) entitlements, like Obamacare and the scheme offered to our state school systems called “Race to the Top”, and always with the strings of federal control and compliance attached, the price for the government’s largesse. A further unwanted intrusion into our lives!

    Using America’s economic downturn as his excuse, Obama (may peace be upon him) and his cohorts in Congress, have seized upon this as their opportunity to completely redefine our economic system by first exacerbating the country’s economic problem with the so called “stimulus” which in fact has proven to be a pay off to Democrat and union supporters and second by imposing schemes like health care, with cap and trade and VAT to follow, that will bankrupt an already weakened America.

    Our economic system was built on the concept of free-enterprise enshrined in the simple, yet effective concept of private property ownership.”It’s not fair” is the mantra of the Obama (may peace be upon him) governing philosophy and stands, therefore, as his unassailable belief that only through government can “fairness” be ensured. Frankly, that’s scary as hell because he uses the power of the Federal Government to intrude on almost every aspect of public life from forcibly requiring the manufacturing of cars the market doesn’t want, to determining what a persons health plan should look like. He has elevated government agencies to a level that allows them to directly intrude into our daily lives; his deficit spending has increased ten fold while he is actively weakening our military to confront our outside enemies, like Islam. Is he actually an Islamist? Only “if the winds of disccent blow in that direction” or something close to that.

    Here is a word to become familiar with: Dhimmitude. It is the Islamic word that describes the muslim system of controlling non-muslims through taxation in exchange for muslims tolerating the presence of non-believers. Obama can use Federal force to enforce the Obamacare law, Muslims and Amish exempted, to commence the stripping of our non-believers wealth through taxation. It has started. It’s time to get involved resist. Political correctness is killing us as is Obama.

    • Disgusted

      Well Said!

      The 10th amendment to the constitution is our only hope!

      • Conservatives United

        And removing as many of and as fast as we can the establishment marxist, socialist, power hungry power mongers from DCI (District of Criminal Intent). Thats both parties!!!!

  • Big Ugly

    This POS Usurper has LIED about everything thus far, you actually expect him to TRUTHFULLY QUOTE ONE OF THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS?

    Fool me once, shame on your,
    Fool me twice, shame on me,
    Fool me all the time, I must be a Liberal Democrat.

  • Craig

    Come on, Obama is a CONSTITUTIONAL scholar, not a DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE scholar. How can he possibly know about the DoI when he spent all his energy learning the Constitution. Granted, we do not know for sure if the constitution he is a supposed scholar of, is ours.

  • Charles

    The G-d of heaven will not allow this White House to taunt our Creator, the work of our Founding Fathers, the faithful preaching, hard working, honest living and praying of millions of Americans, past and present, to go on forever.

  • newspooner

    The last two paragraphs of the article say it all.

    • VFW John

      There are many,many points made by every response that are truly valid. We have not, however, found enough people in the Congress and/or Senate to do the things necessary to put this clown back on the streets of Chicago, where he came from and, surely, still belongs.
      to the point in one of the earlier responses regarding “separation of Church and State” not being in the constitution. Absolutely correct. I cannot fathom how in the hell the “learned” Justices/Judges, et al, were able to twist the First Amendment that reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof;….”, to mean anything other than it says. It simply means that the Congress cannot create a law or laws establishing an officially supported religion such as The Church of England, which is the official religion of that country. All the “Bovine Scatology” surrounding the display of mennorahs or crosses, or any symbol, is a violation of the separation of church and state is as rediculous as this Obama clown being out to be qualified to be President of the United States

  • colleen simmons

    I thought this site smelled religious.Bush and his Daddy are christians, the Clintons, the Reagans, Harper I’ll bet Sarah Pallin,all are corrupt. Christians are just as reponsible for atrocities around the world in the name of their God as any of these Moslum freaks,so get off your high horse, you christians dont have it right more than any other organized fundamentel religious organization, I may read this news letter but I am not christian and would not want to be mistaken for one.

    • Jim the duped

      Remember what you just said on Judgement Day.

    • Dean

      God dosen’t make mistakes, so you are on very thin ice

    • Joyce from Loris

      No problem, Colleen. I don’t think ANYONE would ever mistake you for a Christian.

    • Conservatives United

      Remember Christianity is the only Religion that has a Living God!!!!

    • Shibamom

      Well Colleen…I have no doubt that you aren’t a Christian just by the hateful way you speak about it. Oh, and by the way, no one here said anything about Christians always being the good guy so why don’t you get off of your freakin’ high horse!!!

    • coal miner

      colloeen,

      You smelled right and it stinks.

  • john

    The persecution of Christians in this nation has begun and will get worse..currently there are many attacks upon the Christian faith,some subtle,some blatant..most barely make the news or hardly register depite the seriousness of some of them because the media itself has become like their Soviet counter parts…a godless govt. controlled outlet of propaganda.The last thing they want to do is waken the sleeping giant of Christianity in this country.There are many examples..the tour guide at the Liberty Bell that mocked Christinity and the beliefs of the Founding Fathers in front of a group of tourists,the teen who was told he could not wear a rosary to school,the removal of the word Christmas and replaced by the word holiday,a school that banned the wearing of red and green during the Christmas season because it’s considered Chrismas colors,the removal of crosses from public areas,the removal of the 10 Commandments as well from courthouses,a monument in Washington that had the Latin words for praise God turned away from public view,threatening churches with prosecution if they openly condemn homosexuality ..these are just a few..not to mention the blatant mockerys that take place on comedy shows and sitcoms.Praypraypray the time is getting short.

    • THINK ABOUT

      No religion should be attacked and the only difference between a radical christian and a radical muslim is what comes before the name, radical. This is what needs to be attacked.

      • Conservatives United

        Muslim is not a Religion. It is a Political Ideology, that is cloaked under a Religion. Just how many Christians are killing and maiming Muslims or those of other religions????????

        • THINK ABOUT

          Perhaps we could count the muslim killed in Iraq, this was a war of choice started by our “christian” president, where else would you think of christians killing muslim. I am not for any of the killing, it does not excuse the killing in Oklahoma either. Radical thinkers “think” they have the right to kill and no rational one thinks like that.

  • Jim the duped

    Had enough folks, “We the People” are experiencing the dangers that our founding fathers repeatedly warned us of. Now is the time to react above and beyond the good intentions and aspirations of the Tea Party movement while personally getting involved in the saving of our country. To be shy and bashful is the same as telling the tyrannical despotic government “yes, I don’t mind being a slave”.

    You may think that Obama’s regime is a house of cards, but those cards are made of steel and bullets backed up by the military whenever called for. The military must decide to be on the side of the freedom, liberty loving patriotic citizens of this nation if we are to survive, if not we will end up a no holds barred anything goes third world dictatorship.

  • Raggs

    It proves obama does NOT believe in GOD!

    He thinks that the government is the creator…

  • Raggs

    How many of you have figured out the true reason obama did not include “by the creator”?

    Ok I will tell you….

    If he stated that it would have pissed off the Muslims… And so there you have it…. we all know he hates christians and loves his muslims.

    • Vigilant

      Raggs,

      “The Creator” was a Deist term for God, and the Founders fully understood the meaning of it. That was why they particularly avoided terminolgy such as “The God of Abraham and Moses,” or any other such term that could tie God to a particular revealed religion.

      Muslims also believe in a Creator, so leaving the phrase out of the speech would irritate them as well, if we are to believe you.

      • 45caliber

        Wrong, Vigilant.

        The Creator IS God, not some spirit or other thing. Some Deists today try to differentiate but at the time of the founding of our country there wasn’t that difference. GO back and read the papers they wrote from then instead of listening to some non-Christian now trying to stir up trouble.

        • Vigilant

          I suggest YOU go back and read (this time with understanding) what Jefferson and others of the Founders believed. As David Holmes writes:

          “That Jefferson attended and supported other churches does not make him a Baptist, Presbyterian, or evangelical Episcopalian, any more than his regular reading of the Bible makes him an orthodox Christian….He remained a Deist in rejecting the rituals and sacraments of institutional religion as the proper forum for worship.”

          If you want to call this a Christian country, I would not disagree with you, in the same sense that Turkey is a Muslim country. Like us, “Turkey is a democratic, secular, unitary, constitutional republic…” (Wikipedia). As we are referred to as a Christian country, so is Turkey referred to as a Muslim country. The term “Christian” is used to describe the religion of the majority, and does not make us a theocracy any more than Turkey is an Islamic Republic.

    • Kinetic1

      If you choose to see all of the Presidents actions through Muslim biased glasses, then everything he does will offend Christians and favor Islam. Vigilant is right, this has nothing to do with appeasing the Muslim community. I has nothing to do with singling out Christians either. He just left out a phrase. No one seems upset that he left out “that among these are “. Isn’t there anyone who wants to be offended for the unspoken rights? No, we have all learned about the constitution and I suppose the other, un-noted rights go without saying. Not everything needs to be spelled out every time.

  • smokey447

    Does anyone else see that he uses the American way of life as he sees fit, he refuses to honor our flag, refuses to be in a picuture with a cross in the background, have you ever seen him on a reviewing stand for a parade, he is afraid our flag will pass by and he will be exposed.

  • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts John Despard

    Does President Obama write his own speeches? He is surrounded by others who do this work for him. This is probably more a matter of a speech writer leaving out part of the quote intentionally or not and Obama simply missing the omission. I am sure he has many important matters constantly on his mind and often trusts his speech writers not to make such glaring mistakes. I had a 200 page book of mainly grammatical errors by former President Bush. Were you holding him to the same standards you seem to be holding Obama to? As far as forsaking the gathering of the faithful, I find it rather questionable that when Jesus returns he is going to recognize the so-called faithful as such. I was unchurched for forty years but still read the Bible faithfully and considered myself a Christian. As I use to phrase it when talking to friends or relatives, I believed in God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Bible but I did not believe in church. I believe most churches have strayed so far from the original teachings of Jesus that he would not recognize them as being Christian if he came back today.

    • thinking

      John, maybe your mother went to church as your name is from the bible. Going to church no more makes you a christian then going to a garage makes you a car. You say you read the bible therefore you know this. Juses created his church and where two or more gather in his name so he shall be there also. Yes many churches get it wrong, maybe you could find one that gets it right, bible based and a place for sinners. Of course they are human lead and will make mistakes! That is why reading the bible with others helps us to understand things differently then just our own understanding. I hope you converse with others as two can defend from satan where one would fail.
      As for Obama, HE siad he is responsable for what he does therefore the errors or omissions are his fault, besides he reads them before he gives them.

    • 45caliber

      Bush made gramatical errors, not unlike what Oblama does when he works without a teleprompter. But he always tried to get his statements right. ALL who give speeches MUST go over the speech prior to giving it if they expect to give it correctly, regardless of who writes the speech. And all who give speeches correct things or change things in what they are given to make it more “their own words”.

      Oblama does too. Therefore whatever he says is HIS words even if he got them from someone else. Your entire argument just went down the drain.

      • THINK ABOUT

        Bush also spoke mistruths in his speeches then tried to blame it on faulty information. Do you think for 1 second Bush did not rely on teleprompters, get a grip. Yes even Bush used teleprompters.

        • http://naver samurai

          Not as many mistruths as Obama bin Laden.

  • Howard Roark

    I like a growing number of Americans believe that Obummer is, and always has been a Muslim.Heres why.

    Under Muslim law the absolute worst crime that can be commited is to be a muslim and then convert to another faith. the punishment for this is death.there is no alternative. the law also says that it is the duty of all muslims to kill these converts.

    Not to long ago Obummer held a Ramadan dinner at the white house. there were a large number of Muslims in attendance. Is it not strange that these Muslims would have dinner with Obummer and not be bothered by it in any way.

    Also under Muslim law there is a provision called Taqiyya, that means that it is all right to disquise yourself as another religion if it will in some way advance Islam.

    I find this to be the only explanation that fits what is happening between Obummer and the Muslim world.

    • THINK ABOUT

      Are you muslim, must be, and there fore you can receive the right to call someone else muslim. How do you like your muslim ways.

      • 45caliber

        Think:

        Sorry, you aren’t thinking. You call someone something based upon his actions. If he acts like a Christian, you call him one. If he acts like a Muslim, you can call him that. If he acts like an atheist, then you can identify him as that too.

        You don’t have to be one yourself to identify them. It’s how they identify themselves.

        • THINK ABOUT

          From many post I read on this site radicals are muslim and there are plenty of radicals writing comments.

          • http://naver samurai

            There are also radical left wing extremists in America. You just so happen to fit that title don’t think about nothing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • darlene

    I just saw on the news that chanting USA at events may not be allowed because muslims may be offended. We better hurry and get this country back. I have children, and I am afraid more and more for what kind of country they may live in and raise their children. It’s time for Christians to unite against evil. Actually, its always time for that, its just more evident now.

    • Kinetic1

      What news were you watching/listening to? I have read an article in the University of Illinois news paper regarding offending Muslims, and I know of one school that banned the chant due to the fact that it was cover for U-Suck-A** for some students, but nowhere have I seen it suggested that chanting USA would be outlawed. Despite what is posted on this site, we still have freedom of speech.

      • 45caliber

        Kinetic:

        I must disagree. As long as we have “political correctness” we don’t have free speech. That is exactly what political correctness is about – forbidding someone else from disagreeing with them.

        • Kinetic1

          “political correctness” does not preclude you from speaking your mind. Just look at this site! You can’t get much more politically incorrect then the people posting here. Sarah Palin complains about this all the time, but she and others have it all wrong. Glen Beck may make a statement that some disagree with, and a group may attack him for what he said, even to the point of trying to get him off the air, but both have that right. Only when the Government steps in and tells Glen that he can’t say that is his freedom infringed. Freedom of speech does not protect you from the opinions of others, nor does it restrict those who disagree from pressuring sponsors or doing anything else they can (within the law) to shut you up.

          • 45caliber

            Political correctness is an attempt at thought control. According to our Constitution, we have the right of free speech. But too many people are trying to say that we do not have the right to offend others. That is not true. You are correct that this site (and others) are not really politicially correct. They are not intended to be. And I won’t bother to go to ones that are. Those sites won’t post anything that isn’t PC and as a result only post ones that agree with their line of reasoning. They won’t post a different view as it will offend someone.

            If I call you and idiot, for instance, you could well be offended. But if you have proved you really ARE an idiot, then the statement is true. It still means you are offended. In the liberal view of PC, I couldn’t call you an idiot even if you are one. Instead I have to accept your view regardless of how it is. (Incidently, I am NOT calling you an idiot – yet at least.) I’m simply stating this as an example.

            The fact that this site is not truly pc is one reason even some liberals come here. But the government as it exists does want to enforce pc thought. Yoiu can’t disagree about something like politics as all should follow the line of reasoning of the person who decides what is pc. In other words, if he is offended that you don’t like his choice, you are not only not supposed to say so but you also must like his pick. The fact that YOU are offended means nothing.

  • darlene

    I forgot, God Bless America!! and USA! USA! USA!. . .

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    We have terrorists occupying public American land in Arizona and our disappointment in chief will not deploy forces to dispell them. Oh yeah, I forgot, those guys are the compadres of the “congressional hispanic caucus”(?) whose ass he was kissin’”. WHY THE HELL IS THERE A CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS?????????? WHY THE HELL IS THERE A CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS???????????? IS THERE SOON TO BE A CONGRESSIONAL MUDSLIM, ASIAN, ITALIAN, QUEER, ETC, ETC ,ETC CAUCUS????????????? WHY WOULD IT BE RACIST TO HAVE A CONGRESSIONAL WHITE CAUCUS????????????????? Is there no pride in just being AMERICAN anymore? Well, obamislad is hoping there ain’t.

    • darlene

      Randy, don’t hold back, say what’s on your mind.:) If you have listened at all (and it’s hard not to see him just about everyday) to our disappointment in chief, white America IS the problem, or root of any problem, and white Christian America is even worse. there are more muslim in this country than atheists, and look at all the damage atheists have done. Its going to get very bad. God Bless America!! USA, USA, USA. . .

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

        True, true. But hey, we will soon be the minority so then we can sit on our butts (when not breakin’ into houses or businesses), sell drugs and have babies and get free food, a free phone card, and free housing with nothing expected of us in return! AND, AND the aclu and the naawp will fight for our rights! Won’t it be great?

  • http://yahoo Irene Grooms

    I belevie that Obama is a Muslim and he’ll un the end get what he wants done to finish destorying AMERICA. Why did he put jobs on the back burner until now? Is it to fool the people again? This Adminstration is wanting to carry us under the ONE GOVERNANCE and so far its working. OBAMA IS AN EVIEL MAN AND MUST BE GOT OUT OF OUR GOVERMENT.

    • THINK ABOUT

      Hey, you are muslim also.

      • Conservatives United

        AND WHAT ARE YOU????????? SINCE YOU ARE JUDGING EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!!!!

        • THINK ABOUT

          I am not radical for sure, seems like you want to judge all muslims as radicals and there are lots of muslim in the usa and trying to say they are not. I am not radical so I would not be muslim.

          • http://naver samurai

            Why are you such a radical left wing extremist?

      • 45caliber

        If it is “muslim” to want to get our government straightened out, why are you supporting the muslims? You definately don’t want to do it.

  • Joyce from Loris

    Good news. I was at a rodeo in VA last month, and before all activities, every day, someone said a PRAYER, they raised the AMERICAN FLAG and sang the NATIONAL ANTHEM. There are STILL CHRISTIAN AMERICANS in America and they did NOT CARE IF ANYONE WAS OFFENDED OR NOT! What wonderful brave people. We should all take lessons from them. All of our gathering, sports games, etc., should commence with prayer, the flag and the National Anthem. Have you ever been annoyed by the boom, boom music that is blaring on our streets, with the rappers and their filthy words? Well, let’s just crack up the music on our OWN cars, just play God Bless American and other patriotic and christian music! I like loud music.

    • Cayita

      Praise God and Hallelujah! Some patriotic American’s (glad they’re Christians to)that have some kahunas. Grass roots. We need more of that. Keep praying that will happen, enough of us will get fed up and start turning on our enemies at home as well as abroad!.

  • Mike-Tex

    I, along with our founding fathers, have to disagree with the statement that being a Christian is not a prerequisite for being president…

    The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:
    “Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers.”

    James Madison, the fourth president, known as “The Father of Our Constitution” made the following statement:
    “We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

    Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:
    “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”.

    Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

    Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

    We were established as a Christian nation and we should unapologetically work to regain our roots and rebuild the foundation of righteousness and God’s law that have maintained this nation through much of its history.

    • Bobber

      Well said.

      • Sam

        Really? Who made you or Christians GOD? The Christian religion does not rule this country. Government should not favor one religion over another. Who are you people??

        • 45caliber

          Sam.

          The government should not favor one religion over another. Correct – for once. But it doesn’t say that a Christian can’t serve in government – which is your stance. The present government position is that Christians shouldn’t favor it over another but it is okay for other religions to be favored over Christianity – which goes against the statement you just made.

          Since you obviously are not Christian, don’t try to run it down.

    • Vigilant

      “I, along with our founding fathers, have to disagree with the statement that being a Christian is not a prerequisite for being president…”

      Sorry, you apparently have no knowledge of what the Founders intended. The Constitution governs the qualifications (prerequisites) for president, and no where does it say that he/she must be a Christian.

      Most of the important founders were Deists, who indeed believed in “Nature’s God,” a “Creator” or “Providence.” The language used to describe God in the founding documents was not the language of the Christian establishment, but the language of Deism.

      To be sure, the Founders relied on the churches to carry the water insofar as inculcating the values espoused in the Bible, but they also very clearly saw where the country would be headed if they made any kind of church membership, or religious belief for that matter, a prerequisite for governing the USA.

      We are not a Theocracy, and that is clearly stated in the First Amendment.

      • 45caliber

        Vigilant:

        Please stop repeating the liberal view without doing some real study. If a liberal says something and it is right, I will agknowledge it. But they so seldom do. They repeat what others say.

        The Founding Fathers were not “mostly Diests”. They were mostly Christian. Nature had nothing to do with their religion then. They believed in GOD – not some spirit or whatever. They did not place a requirement to be a Christian because to them it was self-evident – all were Christians. The real key was that they wanted someone who lived a Christian life – i.e., were honest, had the idea that all persons were important and that they represented all people.

        If you do bother to read any history, you will see that most of them said so. Including Thomas Jefferson.

        • Kinetic1

          ..(P)roscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right. Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, 1789

          To assume that this document was meant only to reflect the differences between the various Christian sects ignores the fact that not all Americans were Christian. Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, etc. were all well read men and very aware of the religions of the world. As a man who once said “Religions are all alike — founded upon fables and mythologies”, do you truly believe that Jefferson intended to preclude all but Christians from holding office?

        • Vigilant

          45caliber:

          Read your history, son. You obviously have no inkling of what was in the hearts and minds of the Founders. I have studied the founding extensively, and am prepared to go toe to toe with you any time regarding the Enliightenment philosophy upon which we were founded.

          Since you’re fond of quoting Jefferson, I’m guessing you never heard of the Jefferson Bible.

          The following is quoted from “The Faiths of the Founding Fathers,” by David L. Holmes:

          “Jefferson’s view of Jesus displays his restorationism. He regularly read the Bible. He revered Jesus as a reformer and moral examplar. But he did not see…Jesus as a savior. Nor did he believe that the miracles attributed to Jesus were more than pious exxagerations. As a result, Jefferson used scissors and razor to excise from his New Testament the corruptions that he believed its writers had placed upon the original teachings of Jesus. Because Jefferson’s God was a God of reason, not of irrationality, Jefferson removed from the Gospels anything that appeared unreasonable.”

          The important Founders were indeed Deists. Deism influenced, one way or another, Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe. And the terms used to describe God in the Declaration were undoubtedly the terms Deists, not Christian orthodoxy, used to describe this “distant deity”: “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” “Supreme Judge,” “and “divine Providence.”

          Are Kinetic1 and I the only persons who read history on this site?

          • 45caliber

            I didn’t say Jefferson wasn’t a Diest. I said most of the Founders were not. There is a difference.

          • Vigilant

            45caliber:

            Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, all influenced by Deism and Enlightenment philosophy, and they comprise the lion’s share of the philosophical work that went into the founding documents. Obviously, their inspiration was deemed so important to the new Republic that 5 of the 6 became president.

            That the Founders expected Christian orthodoxy to continue in preaching the values of natural law is indisputable. That Locke’s formulation of natural law was an outgrowth of his own Christian beliefs is also not at issue. But please remember that the Founders had seen the terrible consequences of organized religion in history and wished to establish a federal government that could resist repeating that history.

            Many are not aware that the Constitution was a document whose primary purpose was to restrict the Federal Government from insinuating itself into our personal lives, but it left up to the states the right to arrange their own electoral systems for office-holding. For that reason, several states retained religious tests for office that denied “Jews, Turks [Muslims], Papists (Catholics], and Infidels” from holding office or taking oaths. Over time, that changed.

            Do you favor a return to those prerequisites?

    • 45caliber

      Mike:

      You are correct. It is too bad the “progressives” are trying so hard to teach our youth that history was wrong.

  • Bobber

    Obama is not in any way, shape, or form a Christian. We can see that because he is a tree that bears only the fruits of evil liberalism. What he is, like all liberals, is a disciple of Satan. He, and those who support him, are the most evil people on earth and they will destroy America if we let them.

    • THINK ABOUT

      We have radical muslim haters who does not have any idea if Obama is muslim or not, you must be muslim.

      • 45caliber

        Actually, he is an atheist. He will pretend any religion you have to get your support.

        • THINK ABOUT

          Don’t work that way, it is more important any elected offical be qualified to handle the office they are seeking. These off the wall statements I hear from lots who are running and has run for offices just are not qualified. I don’t care what the party they claim to be a member of, qualifications are the most important.

    • Kinetic1

      BOOO!

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  • Sara

    The poseur in chief is neither a Christian or a Muslim…he is an atheist, and being an atheist goes along hand in hand with communism!

    • 45caliber

      Communists are atheists. But not all atheists are Communist. On the other hand Communists are such because they like power and control. So does mankind. So gays like power and Communism is the best way to get it.

  • DavidL

    Bob Livingston couldn’t be more wrong. President Obama is a Christian.

    “Unalienable rights” means that they cannot be taken away from you. Why? According to the natural rights theory of our Founding documents and country, the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are God given. Man cannot trump God! This is what President Obama said when he reiterated the importance of our unalienable rights.

    • Vigilant

      Duh…

      I think we all know what the Declaration said. The emphasis, and whole point of the article, was that Obama left out the term “by our Crestor.”

      • DavidL

        He didn’t need to say it explicitly. He wasn’t reading the DI. He was speaking from it. He didn’t say many of the other things in the DI. Does that mean he rejects those also? Of course not. Livingston is playing a “literalist” game here. When you identify and defend unalienable rights, As President Obama did, you are acknowledging their source. God.

        • 45caliber

          Grabbing for straws, huh?

          If someone says something, always assume he means what he says instead of trying to put your words in his mouth. That’s how we got this sucker in the first place!

          • Vigilant

            Thank you!

          • DavidL

            Livingston’s entire article is a straw man.

    • anlyztht

      David, thank you for pointing out what is apparent to educated people.

    • LocalYokel

      I would say that his was a belligerent attempt to trump my God since he has none to claim. This omission is simply an attempt to create a misconception of the origin of rights and usurp more entitlement distribution brokering. His omission is completely compatible with the rise of his bubble through the democratic witch’s brew with full support by them and tenets in the highly edited rule books of his chosen religious affiliations. The training of his formative years becomes more obvious by the day. Frustration may be beginning to gnaw at his ego with realization that the jump from disposable front line warrior in Islam to its blood line aristocracy was last accomplished in year 622. and lacking the inbreeding he can’t fade the bet.

  • New Grandpa

    When History studies the collapse of our “Free Society”, one of the key reasons will be “Political Correctness”. This Country is (was based upon) a composit of many beliefs, religions, and Nationalities to name some of our strong points. It will take much more than this or any Blog to save this country. Are YOU willing to stand and protect your family, neighbors, strangers (add your choice here)???

    There is so much to be said, but in the long run Actions will speak louder than words! (I’m NOT Suggesting a Revolt, but VOTE!). Too many people today want some one to take care of them. It seems this Blog leans toward a free society. NOT “whats in it for me?”

    Sadly The “rise and fall of the Roman Empire, (about a thousand years) may seem trite and a means to make fun of a past Society, but it is my opinion, this is where this Country could be headed.

    I was raised to “turn the other cheek” but the bullies of the world see this as weakness. I pray that I go kicking and screaming against the Tyrany that could come…..

  • http://gmail i41

    John the dork, Onumnutts is trying to remember what golf course he needs to whack his balls on, and where he and Big Mamee haven’t pissed away a million dollars on freight to visit. The trained ape trained on books and golfing, can ask all the questions he wants, but he doen’t have damned a clue what to do or how make a decision. Answers don’t come on page 2, chapter 8, it is life skills that are experienced and learned, in his case, colleges and vacations are his. Seems to me the marxist dimocraps have a memory lapses, they have no memory of any foul ups they keep doing the same damn thing decade after decade since Wilson and FDR, for always whining about GW and the Iraq war and drummed up lies of WMD that all socialists dumbocraps supported. If Ol purple lips is talking, he is lying. Of course if you lie, cheat, screw a snake, don’t pay your taxes, it makes you a leader in the National Marxist Democrat Union Party. It used to be socialist, but Delaware dem canidate and the muslim moron Pres. both have stated they are marxists, and since all democrats voted for every marxist rules and regulations Onumnutts and his radicals want. As for the marxist muslim moron being what ever, it does matter. If this purple lipped fraud is not a Christian, he sure will not care about what happens to the USA, and will wander off the rules of what makes America great. Look at the Middle East ,EU, and even Mexico and Canada, on what makes the USA a beacon for at one time, greatness. Socialists and our colleges keep watering down USAs standrads.

    • Vigilant

      “Trained ape?’ “Big Mamee?” “Purple lips? (3 times)

      You do the conservative cause no good by hurling racist comments like that. You simply give the opposition more fuel for their slander of what true conservatism stands for.

      • TIME

        I agree with you 100%,

      • Claire

        Vigilant–Finally, some sanity in this crazy mixed-up world. There is no need for name-calling.

      • Kinetic1

        I chose not to bring it up (conservative political correctness I suppose) but I sure was thinking it. Thanks Vigilant.

  • ONTIME

    This uncredentialed, arrogant loser is real good at publicly insulting the Constitution, the laws and the American people with every opportunity he opens his ineffectual mouth…..it will be a pleasure escorting him from the Oval Office to a pennitentiary.

  • Cheryl

    Nothing Obama does surprises me. I have been able to read right through him from the begining. It is ashame that so many others still have the wool pulled over their eyes.

  • Conservatives United

    I have included a link to an article concering the ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE, and some of his direct quotes back in 2004 when he was running for the US senate seat, concering God and his views. It is very telling as to what he really believes. The article is entitled: BARACK OBAMA: THE MAN WHO WOULD BE GOD?

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Duke/selwyn136.htm

  • Harold

    The Kenyan at 1600 has to go to protect our freedoms. With apologies to all other Kenyans. We all need to get active in the next two November elections 2010 and 2012 to insure that no socialists are elected to anything including dog catcher. Let’s get busy supporting the good guys and fighting against the bad guys. Don’t let the Dems tell their big Lies, fight with the ultimate weapon [TRUTH].

  • Harold

    REMINDER: NONE of our rights come from the government they are endowed by our Creator and will be defended by Him. Governments power is derived from US the people “the will of the people”

  • Harold

    Read and support your Declaration of Independance and Constitution!

    • 45caliber

      I second that!

  • marvin

    here is a thought federal goverment work or get fired enforce the laws on the books you took an oath to obay and enforce the law on illegals an,t no where in the law about amnesty for law breaker, i must obay our law from j walking to speadind ,ilegal and criminal and undocumented are the same thing,so don,t insult me with a play on words,the dream act is more a night mare act,it is not a human rights violation ,obama, to arrest and deport illegals it is the law stuped,the 14th amendment was for black slave children not criminal undocumented illegal,s children, this country was founded on the bible not the koran a believing in god not mohammaed a helping hand not a handout so if you need help that ok but keep your hand out of my pocket

  • 45caliber

    Bob Livingston is correct on this article. Oblama, like most in Washington, believes that all rights are given solely by the government and therefore the goverment can take them away if they wish. The idea that the government is limited and cannot take these rights away is terrible to him.

    We need to hold the feet of all these politicans to the fire to insure they realize that we do not want the government to assume they can take these rights away. And if they won’t listen, simply toss the rest of them into the fire.

  • Bloodhound

    I am beginning to think that we are in the End Days. Look at our Leadership, or Lack of Leadership we are plagued with! Look at the person who is supposed to be leading our great nation! Obama said, during his speech, that we will know him by the people he surrounds himself with. And who are these people? The Most Racist, LowLife, Crooked, DisHonorable, UnAmerican, AntiChristian, and AntiFreedom people he can get! And no Democrat can make any sense when talking about the great things Obama is doing, but they are quick to call you a Racist if you don’t agree with his policies and where he is trying to take this country.

  • http://gmail i41

    viligant, what is that for waiting for the marxist which he is, purple lips which the pee brain is, Big Mamee sure is, hell bells I seen quarter horse mares with less hind quarters than hers, don’t know about her break away speed or pole bending time. As for the socialist progressive liberals truth does hurt. The pistol grip, jug earred, fold back toothed idoit celebrate Ramadumb with the pedophile goat ranglers in the WH, but cancelled prayer day for the country. Just what kind of math do you simple minded morons use to diavow he is a phony pedophile. Facts are facts on these idoits in the WH, muslims are doing their ideology wishes to feed pimheads like dumbocraps, that he is one of the citizens, they never have and never will be. The trouble is Americans beleive in being nice to the fecal faced liberals and wouldn’t say s==t, if they had a mouth full. Conservatives need to call it, as it is not let the progressive liberals run you around, liberals are racists, they hate whites, conservatives and truth. Liberals can lie, cheat,steal, and be corrupt and everyone is affraid to point it out and give the facts, liberals work like a well paid whore in the beltway covering up the the lying and false caring for the public. America should go after the overpaid crooks like Belle California is doing, high unemployment and the maggots are spending more every day and still getting benefits and paychecks, lets see we were promised with the stimulas unemployment would go over 8%, well cut Washington and government jobs by 5% a year, and Conress and Onumnutts pay by 10% to end of his term and any office holders salary till they die and leave permantly. And that includes all federal employees. The latest on Ol purple lips being hammered for putting politics over the country, damn any person not up the marxist democrat party sewer pipe, knows that has always been the case in the last 3 3/4 years of democrat regieme politburo control.

    • Shibamom

      Why would you include ALL federal employees??? They are just normal, every day Americans that go to work just like you do to support their families. They aren’t a part of the Washington elistist crowd. So don’t go lumping everyone together just because they are a federal employee.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Yes, I heard about this – that it was on his teleprompter, so he paused for a moment. Wouldn’t it be great if someone would freeze BHO’s teleprompter right in the middle of biblical scripture or Christian saying???? Then we’d see him hesitate and stutter!! As we know, even if they were available 2000 years ago, Jesus never would’ve needed a teleprompter to speak!!

  • http://PersonnelDigest Megs Mom

    Obama left it out because it did not say Allah. Also there is no record of Obama registering for selective services. Which means he has broken the law. It is required by law that all men 18 must register incase there is a need to call for troops during war.

    This is just another example that Obama is not really a citizen of the United States of America.

    • 45caliber

      If I remember correctly, he did register for Selective Service. It just wasn’t when he was eighteen. He was quite a bit older. In fact, I believe it was about ten years ago.

  • RandyG

    I beleive in fairness for ALL. If a religion states that it is the only good one & all others are bad, then you know that it is bad!

    If someone wants to call me a racist, I say Yeah The Human Race, when will YOU join?

    • 45caliber

      I somewhat disagree with what you said and I do like your answer to ‘racism’.

      The part I disagree with is that a religion is bad if it believes it is the only good one. Most religions do. That’s why most religions have missionaries and try to convert others to their religion. It is when they act to kill or enslave everyone else of another religion that it is bad. But we have some of that too, don’t we?

  • Matt

    this is a stretch to say the least. where is the honest reporting that is supposed drive home facts, not instill outlandish claims based primarily on speculation.

    • 45caliber

      I don’t know. But the MSM fails to report all the facts for some time now. Do you have any suggestions on how to correct them?

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    America,Lets face the truth…. The majority voted obama to be president and now we are paying for it. Our own elected president and high living wife have been to many U.S.flag burning parties and that is a fact.He said our fighting military men and women should pay for there own healthcare and medical costs. Look at obamcare its says many non health things like when you sell your house you will pay a 3.8% tax.There is all kinds of costly things in the obamacare bill and thats why pelosi said we have to pass it before we know whats in it. Think about that. Would you swim across a river in australia before you look for any crocodiles or would you swim across first and ask later??? Has anyone seen the news out of new york city? At 2pm until 4pm every friday during rush hour traffic the muslims gather in the intersection at 42nd st and madison ave and lay there prayer rugs down and face mecca and they do this at several different locations around new york city and without any permits.What would happen if a few hundred jews or christians or just american non muslims did something like this?Wake-up,they would be arrested and charged….. Not only was it muslims that killed over 3,000 innocent men women and children at the world trade center on 9/11 but there holy book the koran tells them to kill the infidels if they do not convert to islam and to have no friends unless they have been converted. It also says there oath to allah is higher than any other oath they might take. America,make up your own minds about islam,the religion of peace…

    • anlyztht

      GuyB, what you say you “heard” is incorrect. I live in NYC, and no such thing occurs.

      • American Citizen

        We’ve seen pictures on the internet of the groups of Muslims on the sidewalks and streets with their rears in the air supposedly praying.

  • MRAMERICA

    John Dryden wrote, “Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow; He would search for pearls, must dive below”. It should be quite clear by now, that Barack Obama is a man of little substance. His omission when quoting the Declaration of Independence, I believe, was intentional. And whatever the truth may be, and whatever may in fact lie below the surface of this president, may be just too disturbing to contemplate.

  • DaveH

    Important Action Item:
    http://gunowners.org/a092210.htm

    The Disclose Bill would force release of membership lists from any group sponsoring political ads. What’s next, the end of ballot secrecy? The Union bullies would like that one.

  • http://MSN.com Mila

    “”Every single mayor of Detroit since 1961 has been a Democrat. Every single mayor of Detroit since 1974 has been black. Detroit has been a major recipient of every major social program since the early 1960s and has received hundreds of billions of dollars in government grants, loans, and programs. We now have a black, Democrat president, who is promising to do to America as a whole what his political mentors have done to Detroit.”” Does it really matter that the President is black? If not, then why mention it?

    This article is a great example of when socialism fails in America – when there is no accountability for public money spent. This can be said for any public or private task involving large amounts of money – including recent banking crisis, and numerous ponzi schemes we hear in the news. Trust but verify, yes?

    Finally, I believe you are overstating your case. Almost everybody (IMO) – including Democrats – understands the consequences of keeping the auto industry and banking systems public and that in due time they will be re-privatized. The media is not government run. Cap and trade does not equal the government taking over production of electricity.

  • anlyztht

    This has got to be the most ignorant, racist, uneducated site on the internet. Where do you people come from? Certainly not America. And, absolutely not Christian.
    President Obama, is one of America’s most brilliant, educated, thoughtful, caring presidents in American history. He most resembles Abraham Lincoln, and you people sound like the same confederates who fought for slavery, and the right to remain dummies.
    This site, with all it’s scrawled, mispelled, illiterate messages, clearly demonstrates the problems within our educational system, and the danger of living hateful, isolated lives. God help you all.

    • DaveH

      Keep posting, Anlyztht. Just in case some newcomers don’t know the typical Liberal.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      anyltit, he don’t look nuhtin’ like Abraham. Abraham was ALL white, and he had a beard. HA, and you call me ille…illi….a dummie. I’m proud to be a ‘federate, and you’re a plant, so there!

  • Naomi

    This is silly. Do you all realize that America was founded upon principles of religious freedom? That the U.S. Constitution was originally REJECTED by states because the residents within those states feared a monarchy? By omitting “creator” from his quote, Obama was drawing the separation between church and state – as it should be. Not everyone is Christian, and not every church-goer is religious. Being in a church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than being in a garage makes you a car.
    Food for thought.

    • Markus

      You are a fool Naomi. Do yourself a favor and get ready to be ran over. It is people like you with zero objectivity that makes us sick to our stomachs. Let me explain what the founding fathers were speaking of when debating “separation of church and state”. The U.S. Government cannot force the citizens to worship a PARTICULAR RELIGION!!! Go be a Methodist, Baptist, Atheist, Catholic, Protestant, whatever!!! But for the citizens to have life, liberty, and to pursue happiness, they decided that we would all live under a particular set of “guidelines”, and that was the JUDEO CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY!!! That is what they meant. But keep drinking the Government/Media Complex bullcrap that is being shoved down your ignorant face. It really is stunning how insanely uninformed people really are. We deserve what is about to happen to us. Thanks Naomi.

    • American Citizen

      You don’t have to be a Christian to believe in God. Many of the founders were deists, i.e., they believed in a Supreme Being without belonging to a specific religion. The words “separation of church and state” are not in the Constitution. The Constitution limits the power of government over us, but the present administration just ignores it.

    • DaveH

      So that’s how the Liberals do it, Naomi? They just shove History under the bus? If Obama is going to quote the Declaration of Independence, the proper thing to do would be to quote it verbatim. Since when do we misquote historical documents to satisfy the fabricated concept of seperation of church and state which is nowhere in the Constitution (that document of “negative liberties” which Obama so disdains)?
      Liberals hate religion because it get in the way of their lust for other peoples wealth and their proclivity for forcing their ways on others.

      • Bob Wire

        Dave , you are being absurd ~ You are suggesting Liberal/Progressives are not religious or God fearing and that’s just not the case.

        You are stating, they lust for “others wealth” and that’s just not the case. ( That’s best left to politician and bureaucrats of all affiliations) To not “covet” another man’s wife ~ I think money and possessions are a “given” and included. ~ If we look at it verbatim, women could have a “field day” and Omitted to this rule. ?? No?

        That you can claim such things inside a protective bubble of cyber ambiguity and hold the right to do so, fails to substantiate it as being even plausible. You’ve missed a turn and got off on the wrong road somewhere along the way. You just don’t think much of worthy opposition. Well? ~ I can’t be like you, think like you, I don’t carry the same hate.

        All you are doing is making sweeping judgments about people/voters that polarizing them to offer you great resistance to “ANY” of your ideas or beliefs. ~ and I know you’ve got some good ones, I’ve read them.

        Speaking purely for myself, a conservative/progressive it’s true, I’m not the overly religious sort but deeply spiritual and if I lusted for other people “wealth” I’d already acquired it by now. I’ve passed up far too many opportunities to be accused of such nonsense.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Hi: It was certainly a significant omission. Coming from the probable fact that he was reading from a prepared script,one could readily conclude that he was trying to make a point, albeit an indirect one.

    However, the inescapable fact is that the rest of the educated world will also have detected the omission, and will probably attribute it to
    an intentional message by our president. Please remember that he is a Harvard graduate, as well as having a purported degree from Columbia.
    Accordingly, he would be expected to be able to make an accurate quote from such a venerated document, at the very least. All the best, and remember this in 2012.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

    What the hell are we waiting for? Impeach this sucker before he kills America.

  • Bob Wire

    “What he left out of the quote is significant for a couple of reasons. First, it demonstrates that Obama is probably not a Christian,”

    And why do you think that? If he was a Muslim, I believe the notion of a single “Creator” still applies.

    So it’s no “smoking gun” of a being Muslim as many might wish perhaps.

    I’d come nearer thinking him being somewhat intelligent, found the omitted words “superfluous”, over the top, and not necessary in making his point.

    You know, he is President to “all the people” and not just a few, “Believers” and Non-Believers” alike and showing that he is mindful of that fact.

    I don’t believe in “your God” but believe in mine and really don’t want to go there with you. It is self -evident that we “were created” by a “Creating Force” I don’t find it debatable as I am here.

    Again Bob Livingston, you are coming up with a hand full of empty fingers. This “omission” is no “jawbone of an ass” ~ sorry

    “Obama views the Constitution as a list of negative rights: That is, a list of things the government is not allowed to do. And he thinks that is a bad thing, as he has said on more than one occasion.”

    So you know what he “thinks” do you? Where can I get me a “crystal ball” ~ I’ve got several people in mind, I’d like to use it on.

    Let’s face it, Obama a Democrat, a half white one to boot and worthy any and all attacks no matter how low or condescending.

  • Time for Change

    Obama was elected President by a majority of the voters of the USA. The Office deserves respect. We may not agree with many of his policies. We may not have agreed with many of the policies of his predecessor. We probably will not agree with all the policies of his successor. BUT, the Office does deserve respect.
    Now, if we do not agree with his policies then we had better replace many of those who will blindly follow his lead.
    In fact term limits should be put in place for all elected officials. When they stay in power for too long they begin to believe they can do no wrong, that everything they do is right.

  • Baddad

    Wake up Nasty Nancy and her boss The Nigerian Nightmare are going to be the end of America as we know it. If anyone else tried to pull this crap we would never hear the end of their BITCHING! But we need to cottle this man because of his position. No one is exempt from our laws except a foreign diplomat, kind of makes you think! Who does he work for!!!!

  • http://n/a Terry

    IMO O has flexible beliefs on any subject at, any time at any place All except one. And this is a charitable version. He will be anything, do anything if he thinks it will gain him some political advantage. The not so charitable version is he does indeed have some sort of undisclosed agenda, convert the US to Islam, break the will of the voters in order to become the president for life, or worse except how can anything be worse than becomeing an isla,ic state

  • http://n/a Terry

    Becoming an islamic state under sharia law. Islamic states like Irsn are essentially occupied nations under, not the boot heel of the nazi’s, but under the sword of muslim clerics even though MO has been dead for a long time.

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