Obama’s Crude Conundrum

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It appears that aging Hollywood movie star Robert Redford did not see the movie “Argo,” which was awarded Best Picture at the 2013 Academy Awards.

Had Redford seen it, he might have noticed that in 1979 Muslim radicals under Ayatollah Khomeini took Americans hostage. The only country to offer assistance was Canada.

Such history seems lost on Redford, an ultra-rich liberal active environmentalist. (His net worth is estimated at $170 million.) Redford is vehemently against the United States’ importing oil sands from Canada. His criticism reached a crescendo in the wake of the Exxon Mobil Corp. pipeline spill in Mayflower, Ark., on March 29.

It is estimated that 36,000 barrels of crude oil leaked from a pipeline, which forced the evacuation of more than 20 families from their homes.

In the aftermath, Arkansas Attorney General Dustin McDaniel is asking Exxon Mobil to pay $4 million to help pay for an investigation as to why the pipeline leaked.

The oil spill is only 1,000 miles from Redford’s mansion in Sundance, Utah. (The good news for the actor is that he also has residences further west.)

A post on ecorazzi.com stated:

Actor and environmentalist Robert Redford has been an outspoken opponent of the Keystone XL Pipeline since the beginning. Now that a pipeline in Arkansas has ruptured leaving a residential community with thousands of gallons of tar sands crude right in their yards, Redford is hoping the government will wake up to the dangers of building any new pipeline.

Blogging for Huffington Post, Redford wrote:

(W)hen it comes to the proposed Keystone XL pipeline… the Pegasus rupture in Arkansas is another red flag. We’ve had a lot of these red flags lately that show us what a raw deal tar sands is and we ignore them at our peril.

How many red flags do we need before we realize that the solution is to stop tar sands expansion and say no to tar sands pipelines? I think we’ve seen enough.

Redford wants Americans to contact their Congressmen and demand that they pressure President Barack Obama to pull the plug on the pipeline, a decision the President is expected to make this summer.

Redford and his Green advocates are making a mistake regarding Keystone and oil imported from Canada. This is why:

  1. The Keystone project is expected to create 10,000 new U.S. jobs at a time when the Nation is still in a recession.
  2. America must import more than 10 million barrels of oil per day (mb/d). Currently, Canada delivers the United States almost one-third of that total. Saudi Arabia sells the United States 1.2 mb/d. Imports from both countries have come down as U.S. domestic crude production has increased. However, America is going to be dependent on vast amounts of imported crude for the next decade and beyond unless newly found domestic reserves are quickly developed and/or renewable energies can begin to play a significant role in providing power.
  3. Crude provided from the Mideast, South America and Africa is transported in oil supertankers. In 1980, the Exxon Valdez spilled 750,000 barrels of oil on the shores of Prince William Sound, Alaska, making that spill more than 20 times larger than last month’s pipeline leak in Arkansas. (The U.S. State Department’s environmental impact analysis concluded that there was no evidence that tar sands oil spills are more hazardous to the environment than other forms of crude oil.)
  4. If America doesn’t buy oil sands from Canada (and principally Alberta), the Nation is going to have to buy it from other oil exporters — not one of which shares American ideals, as Canada has done for 200 years.

As the chart above shows, America must meet its energy needs with imported oil. My question: Would you rather deal with Allison Redford, the democratically elected premier of Alberta and a distant relative of Robert Redford, or would you rather buy oil from King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, the anointed leader of the kingdom that was the birthplace for 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers?

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Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud
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Alberta Premier Alison Merrilla Redford

Tale Of Two Leaders

I am a dual citizen of the United States and Canada. I think who America trusts for its future oil supplies is an important question.

It is reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has four wives and dozens of children. The king didn’t allow U.S. forces inside Saudi Arabia during the Iraq war. He has also launched a series of crackdowns including torture and public beheadings.

Ezra Levant wrote what Al Gore might refer to as “an inconvenient truth,” in his book Ethical Oil: The Case for Canada’s Oil Sands:

Saudi women are treated as the property of men, with fewer rights than children and only slightly more rights than animals. They are forbidden from driving cars; they cannot travel abroad without a man’s permission; and they can’t even have elective surgery without their master’s consent.

There is no gay marriage or any talk of it in Saudi Arabia.

Levant wrote:

And, according to Amnesty International, Saudi Arabia executes gays simply for being gay. Amnesty has documented this barbaric punishment, carried out in full medieval style: a beheading and a crucifixion.

Even children are not spared Saudi Arabia’s merciless “justice.” Teenaged “criminals” are beheaded with swords in the public square; children as young as thirteen have been sentenced to more than one thousand lashes.

In Alberta, the Legislature is led by Alison Redford, a Canadian lawyer and a member of Canada’s Queen’s Bench.

Redford does have a few thoughts about her famous and long-lost cousin. Recently, in an interview with the Calgary Herald, she indicated she doesn’t think highly of her namesake or others in Hollywood are knowledgeable on energy issues.

“It’s fine for people who aren’t really impacted by this stuff to talk about why it shouldn’t happen, but these aren’t the people that are out talking to the thousand guys that want jobs — or to returning veterans who want to be able to work on pipeline construction or get trained in new technologies,” Redford said.

Hollywood Hypocrites

Actors like Robert Redford and other activists for the Green movement like actress Daryl Hannah live in a cocoon and don’t see the world as it is and, more importantly, are blind to the contradictions.

In 2006, actor Redford wrote an article for CNN, urging the United States to “kick the oil habit.”

Not long afterward, Redford lent his voice to TV ads for United Airlines. That’s amazing when you consider that in 2011 United Airlines spent about $13 billion on jet fuel and that, according to scientists, aviation accounts for 2 percent of the carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere each day.

United Airlines may “fly the friendly skies,” but the airline needs a lot of oil to do it. My guess is that, in the long run, those planes will keep flying on Canadian oil.

Over the short term, I would not be surprised to see Obama block the Keystone Pipeline. He is a kindred spirit to celebrities who object to Canadian crude but are strangely silent regarding Islamic sins.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    NONE pressure on the Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal from Congress will work. He is under his Kriminal Agenda and his Demonic network pressure.

    We are witnessing that “the DEVIL HAS COME DOWN to us, having great wrath, because HE KNOWS THAT HE HAS A SHORT TIME.” (Revelation 12:12)

    And he is furious, because he knows that his days are counted, therefore he “walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” (1Peter 5:8)

    1) January 8, 2011 – Tucson , AZ (6 People killed, 14 – injured)

    2) July 20, 2012 – A mass shooting in the Movie Theater in Aurora, Colorado (12 people killed and 58 others injured)

    3) December 14, 2012 – Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT (20 children and 6 adult killed)

    4) April 3 – The West Virginia 59-year-old sheriff Eugene Crum was shot to DEATH

    5) April 13, 2013 – The ATTEMPT to assassinate Sheriff Joe Arpaio

    6) April 15 – The Boston Bombing (3 people killed, including 8 year old boy, and dozens wounded)

    7) April 16 (Yesterday) – The attempt to assassinate Senator Roger Wicker (R-MS)

    And be sure, the killing will not stop. In the White House and Pentagon operates muslim Brotherhood.

    But there is a GOOD NEWS: Lawyer Orly Taitz has a strong support from the High ranking U.S. Military Officers:

    1) On April 9 spoke with General Vallely. He received the evidence before Judge England and correspondence with the General Counsel representing Issa and Goodlatte. It is being forwarded to Admiral Lyons, General Boykin, 700 special ops officers and others

    2) 15 flag officers (Brigadier General and up) are currently reviewing the evidence before Judge England and actions of the Holder Department of Justice in seeking to dismiss the case on behalf of the U.S. Congress without knowledge and consent of the U.S. Congress (April 10)

    3) Major General Edward M. Browne agrees with Orly Taitz that Obama is usurping
    the US Presidency while using forged and stolen IDS and needs to be removed
    from office and prosecuted (Orly spoke with General on April 12)

    4) On April 15 Eight U.S. Army and Air Force generals (rank of Brigadier General, Major General) and 7 Colonels signed a letter to judge Morrison C. England urging him to hear the case Grinols et al v Electoral college et al brought by Attorney Orly Taitz on the merits in order to stop treason and usurpation of the U.S. illegal pResidency and usurpation of the position of the Commander-in-chief of the U.S. military

    5) 95 U.S. Congressmen revolt against the ruling criminal enterprise stooge John Boehner and demand select committee on Benghazi

    So “be sober and be vigilant.” (1Peter 5:8)

    “Fiat justitia ruat caelum” – “Let justice be done though the
    heavens fall”

    P.S. Please pray for Justice and spread the word.

    • KG

      You guys tried the same thing almost 70 years ago. However, your “hero” that was to lead the coup, marine corps Gen. Smedly Butler, realized the treasonous motives and stopped it before any real damage happened.

      It seems very likely that what happened in Boston was done by another “Timothy McVeigh” – or, in other words, by a “…good Christian Patriot.” Of course, all you “black helicopter” people are going to call it a “false flag” operation. Just like Sandy Hook was a secret government operation. And you have the gall to call people like Redford “looney”????? I knew Regan had Alzheimer’s in 1982. I’m sorry Mr.Meyers.

      • Jack Kemp

        Do you have any evidence of your accusation that the Boston Marathon was bombed by a “good Christian Patriot?” No? Thanks for playing. And, BTW, “Smedly” Butler was a crackpot who went before Congress with a hoax… And what is your evidence that Donald Regan (former Treasury Secretary) had Alzheimer’s in 1982?

        • Flashy

          Not yet…but you’re holding your breath hoping it wasn’t aren’t you? Shows you have the same thoughts …

          Who knew a white supremacist group would go and snuff law enforcement officials in Texas (strong circumstantial and investigation going that way). Who bombs women’s rights clinics because they can’t ban them peacefully? Who uses the reasoning that they may need to have a revolution against the nation so they pack around weapons and fight any effort at tracking those who supply criminals with guns ? Who cries for imposing measures stifling the desires of a vast majority of people in this nation because those desires somehow violate their religious mores? oh wait….it couldn’t be right wing extremists identifying with the TP/American Taliban….nawwwww…

          • 010sonny

            Flashy presents an interesting dish. Exploiting the endeavors of our republicans and or right wing nuts are associated with violence and promote all the toxic remedies for our citizens. From energy to our security. Hmmm Toxic fuels centralized with as little as possible regulations. Does the thought of corruption invade your thoughts. For security LETHAL weapons for all, rather than non lethal. Here is one example for the banks. Its all part of my fantasy. Here comes a robber. Demands money and the teller steps on a button and the robber falls through a trap door into a holding cell. Teller than says Next…. Now back to the issues.
            Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

          • Ringgo1

            Flushy, you surely lose credibility using “TP/American Taliban” to label conservatives. No doubt you don’t care, as long as you may continue to spew.

        • KG

          Regan Reagan, uhh it’s all the same.
          “My fellow Americans, I have just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes…..Is this thing on?”

        • Right Brain Thinker

          Sorry, Jack—-you’re the “crackpot” when you misinform everyone about Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine in history. He was no crackpot and his testimony before congress was the word of a true Patriot. He spoke truth when he said that he had spent years as a “policeman” for the corrupt plutocracy and the country should be ashamed..

      • oat21

        I think you better look in your left wing liberal atheist closet KG before blaming Christians for Boston, there’s plenty of your loons in there and by the way, “Timothy McVeigh” was an lunatic atheist not a Christian.

        • KG

          He was a decorated war hero too. Just like Adolph Hitler, another “good christian patriot.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mcmonigle.9 Dan McMonigle

            Hitler was as against Christians as against Jews. Christians had less money and more allies, so they were down lower on the list of enemies to be destroyed. His religion was Aryanism a belief in a Master race created by Odin. You could call it a type of neopaganism.

          • KG

            Have you ever seen a belt buckle of a Nazi soldier? It says in german “Gott Mitt Us” or, God With Us. So, even the Nazis were “god fearin’ Patriots.” Hitler was actually baptized a catholic. So he knew the “Christ’ message well. He incorporated as much of the Christ story into his own mythology. I guess he knew how easy it is to get stupid Germans to follow him. Just “claim” to be defending morals, but do the opposite. Sorta like modern Christians.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            A small point, but “Gott Mit Uns” was NOT on the NAZI belt buckles, but on the buckles of the soldiers of the Wehrmacht, the regular army The “nazi” soldiers, the SS, had some kind of motto about ‘”oyalty” on theirs, meaning loyalty to Hitler and the Nazi Party, not God. You demean the regular German soldiers by linking them that closely to Nazis—most were just German patriots fighting for their country, right or wrong.

          • momo

            And Stalin studied to be a priest, and look how he turned out.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            We have one in the WH who hates Christians and Israel (Jews)

          • bigdave46

            Got some delusional, made-up history do ya pal ? Hitler was president of the SOCIALIST PARTY…A PURE LEFTY…..YOU ?

          • KG

            Ummm…socialist for ARYANS ONLY. So, not socialism in the sense you are implying. The Nazis were the RIGHT WING PATRIOT NUTBALLS OF GERMANY. The closest thing to a Nazi today in America would be an armed Tea Party member.
            Heil Rand Paul!

          • bigdave46

            Got your ankle bracelet on do ya? Kant go nowhar kin ya! stuck on mama’s sofa smokin government crack all day…what a life huh! who bought the computer for ya…or didja steal it?

          • Right Brain Thinker

            WHOA! There may have been a “socialist” in the name, but the NAZI’s were fascists, and fascists are considered to be extreme RIGHTIES—-there IS a difference, although all the “screamers” and “label pasters” seem to be unaware of that.

          • bigdave46

            certainly !!! “Considered”…by LEFTISTS !! IDIOT….ALL THOSE WHO DESTROY LIBERTY AND FREEDOM AND KILL THOSE THEY DO NOT LIKE ARE COMMUNISTS/NAZIS/LIBTURDS/PROGRESSIVES ALL ROLLED INTO ONE…..LIKE YOU !

          • Right Brain Thinker

            No, bigtalkdave, fascism is considered to be a right-wing governing philosophy by educated folk—-if you know what a book is, you can go look it up, since many books have been written about the topic. One good one from way back is titled “Isms”, and reading (and understanding it if you’re capable ) will allow you to stop parroting all your stupid labels and speak with some intelligence instead.

      • 010sonny

        KG are you one of those conspiracy analyst. What do you make of the conspiracy of the toxic centralized energy agencies against Green Energy. Perhaps they are green with envy. Your input would help me for I have decided to actually try this Green Energy and would help if I know what devious coy those intoxicated energy agencies will use to deter me.
        I have already started with four small 65 watt panels and go to the house reducing my electric bill. Paying cash no loans and will continue through the years and will be independent with no loans. Example fuel for an electric vehicle would save enough to pay for the vehicle and the solar/ wind array. Can never do that with the centralized toxic systems that these shills keep trying to deceive us with. Go Green, its your Health and profit to do so.
        KG keep up the good work..

        • KG

          Thanks, Bro. I really do not know what type of green energy is going to be the future. However, I know that several entities have invested heavily in solar photovoltaic . Check out Edwards Air force base. One of the largest solar photovoltaic arrays in the world was built there – and with union labor.

          Like President Truman used to say “They say I’m givin them hell. I’m just telling the truth and they THINK it hell!!!”

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        KG says: “It seems very likely that what happened in Boston was done by another “Timothy McVeigh” – or, in other words, by a “…good Christian Patriot.”

        KG, I am going to abject. “It seems very likely that what happened in Boston was done by another Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn or in other words by two WHITEY Atheists and America haters, professional terrorist”
        That was their style.

        Oh, wait. I just heard that John King from the Liberal CNN reported that “authorities had identified a suspect in Monday’s horrific attack as a ‘DARK-SKINNED male.”

        But the National Association of Black Journalists already has released a statement on the reference to the race and physical appearance: “There
        have been various reports identifying a potential suspect as “a dark-skinned individual”. This terminology is not only offensive, but also
        offers an incomplete picture of relevant facts about the potential person of
        interest’s identity.”

        KG, I understand you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, NEVER run before the train. Lying is the first step towards failure.

        KG, how do you think: Who was first – Chicken or Egg?

    • Bob666

      Yawn?????

      • 010sonny

        Bob666 and his right brain say they are they are bored and yet here they are cued by heir shepherd, Evade, Evade the issue to distract and confuse those on the thread. They emulate their nature by how they regard all of the rest out us on the thread. Perhaps they missed tis while they were Yawning?
        Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Bernard, NO bonus for them.

    • 010sonny

      Alondra is now serving their specialty of the day. This one is flavored with a tang of religion. On the issue of green vs. oil not so much. Now get your guns the devil is a coming for your souls. Hmm if our souls were Green Energy would the devil find it distasteful? Hmmm Lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Apparently they have no justification for their oily shill agendas.
      Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Bernard, do you have Alinsky’s fever and obamanic hallucination?

    • Dave

      How was Obama associated with:
      3000 Americans being killed on 9-11?
      Hundreds dead and US Embassey’s under Bush’s watch?
      Muliple awful things happening in the world under his watch?
      Then do Clinton… Bush 1… Reagan?
      Alondra, you are a riot… great comedy…

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        I am glad you liked.
        Stay tuned for the further information.
        Chao and hasta la vista.

        • Bob666

          Better that letterman after a six-pack! But a least he is funny.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Prove he was NOT associated with.

        His pastor for more than 20 year, Jeremiah Wright, by the Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal’s own admission was his “SPIRITUAL mentor”, “ROLE MODEL”,
        “MORAL COMPASS”, “CLOSE friend”, “ADVISER” and he also saw Wright as his “old uncle”, but in the same time he considered his
        WHITE grandmother, who raised him, JUST as “a typical white person”.

        And his “SPIRITUAL mentor”, “ROLE MODEL”, “MORAL COMPASS”, “CLOSE friend”, “ADVISER” and “old uncle” was very happy that “God Damn America” by 9/11 and it was “America’s chickens have come home to roost”

        And whole church, including your FRAUDULENT puppet cheered in the ecstasy the “damning of America”.

        The Puppet’s palestinian friends danced on the streets of Gaza, Jerusalem and West Bank celebrating the attacks on the USA.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRA0NKQ0k6E

        But I know Dave, you have NONE problem with that.
        May allah’s piss be upon you.

  • AS Green

    What are the chances a Saudi national is behind the bombing in Boston? One in five? And the chances it was Canadians? Close to zero?
    Obama seems to have made all the wrong alliances when it comes to living and dying.

    • william C

      No chance it was a Canadian, unless the perp was a Saudi or other national living in Canada.

      • podunk1

        Canada is an ally & we need a pipeline between us, but that’s a drop in the bucket compared to the real issue of oil independence!

        WAKE UP AMERICA & STOP THE PLUNDER!

        All oil supply and pricing is controlled by global monopolists AND OBAMA.
        Using $100/bbl with US crude imports & production – assuming Monopolist
        control drives prices 2 to 3 times above competitive cost:

        If 6.3 billion barrels of crude oil is used @ 1/2 to 2/3 x-up, monopolists
        steal $315 to $420 billion.

        If we import 4.2 billion barrels of crude (2/3), tax free wealth leaving
        the US is $420 billion.

        If US produced all 6.2 billion/bbl crude used @ $50 to $33 x-down,
        citizens save $315 to $420 billion and all of that wealth is taxable and
        recycled into the US!

        Obama is the third leg of the monopolist stool – pull him out & the
        monopoly falls when we become energy independent. The ripple effect (economic US gain) is many more times than just eliminating a $420 billion wealth loss and $320 billion cost savings!

        It’s a no brainer. Failure for democrats and republicans to solve this
        problem immediately is the essence of treason!

        Liberals and conservatives – your common enemy is progressives. They’re destroying our great country!
        STOP THEM NOW!!

    • Flashy

      What are the chances a Saudi national is behind the bombing in Boston?

      Ummm..lesser odds than a right wing fanatic being involved…

      • Patriot_Dave

        lets see… Tax Day, In Boston…. pressure cooker bomb loaded with ball bearings, BB’s, etc…. Probably was not British, Saudi or Canadian… But most likely from the south, had access to military (improvised) weapons training, knew how to blend with a crowd…. Single mid twenties to mid thirties. If anything the bomber(s) is a member(s) of a tight but small southern group, perhaps with affiliation to neo-nazis or ex military with a deep seated hatred for pomp and circumstance. Since no one or no group has taken credit, I suspect they are not done….

        • Capitalist at Birth

          When has such a group ever committed such acts? Are these just your raving suspicions?

          • Patriot_Dave

            Timothy McVie…. anymore questions?

          • WTS/JAY

            Timothy McVeigh was a “patsy” in the order of Oswald…

          • bigdave46

            wow!!! that many huh ?! ONE ?! Lets see…how many leftists/ commies have killed how many MILLIONS around the world ?!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yea, WHITE extremist.

          • ChiefBoring

            He’s probably getting his “facts” from the Southern Poverty Law Center. they are a leftist group who are trying to get on since their civil rights rants have gotten old and unnecessary. They think anyone to the right of Obama are terrorists. I’m a Southern Veteran who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

      • 010sonny

        Flashy; lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Keep your red herrings for your own dinner table. I prefer reality.
        Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next.
        Flashy; lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Keep your red herrings for your own dinner table. I prefer reality.
        Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next.

        • Kim Kottas

          you are an idiot,,,,wind! If it is so good why are over half the mills are not turning? I have seen many many wind farms and NEVER have seen all the mills turning.

          • 010sonny

            You require to take a class in 101 Alternative Energies. Your lack of knowledge is well demonstrated.

          • Karolyn

            Watch this movie to see how people in West Virginia are using and promoting wind on some mountaintops rather than see them blown up by Big Coal. The amount of elec. generated is in the movie. Unfortunately, they are having a difficult fight against Big Coal/corrupt government. This movie is a must-see for those who believe coal is wonderful as well as those who seek the truth.

            http://www.linktv.org/programs/the-last-mountain

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Over HALF the mills are not turning? Doubt that—-I’ve driven across parts of TX where the wind farms stretch for miles and say that well less than 10% were not turning at any given time.

            Have you ever thought that they “turn some off” when they don’t need the electricity? Or for maintenance? Just like they shut down some boilers at the fossil fuel plants at low demand times. Kind of like taking your foot off the gas when you go down hill? (and you should think twice before calling folks “idiot”)

        • Rick

          We need to stop blaiming and talk about solutions.I agree that Canadian Oil Shipped over land,not water,and from an ALLIE not a tyrant,is a much better prospect for the u.S. regaurdless of the IDEA that we will find alternative energy.

        • Frank Kahn

          Since all the reports I read say that green energy is not even close to being technologically capable of replacing fossil fuels in the near future, lets ask the worlds greatest SCIENCE FIELDS person, RBT, what the solution is.

          When the green technology can produce a car that is capable of speeds in excess of 100MPH, can travel 400 + miles on a single charge and be refueled (recharged) in less than 10 minutes, then I will switch from my current gas powered vehicle. Oh, and the car has to be comparably priced, say around $25K.

          • Right Brain Thinker

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          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            What happened?
            You “can’t come up with real arguments, so you just call people names?”

      • WTS/JAY

        Personally, i think the left-wing are more into that sort of thing…their MO to be exact, the purpose for which, to attack, negate and rob freedoms from Americans. Case in in point, NDDA, TSA, DHS…mind you though, i think “both” (left/right) work together for this purpose. As you know, The Bush admin…created the legislation, old Barrack is reinforcing and expanding on it!

      • bigdave46

        how bout a leftwing fanatic…..many more of these idiots prowling around ! Did they all leave the USSR and Cuba and come here ? Oh yeah, immigrants from socialist countries have done us, uh, proud ?

    • mark

      What are the chances that it was a libertarian, domestic terrorist a la Timothy McVeigh?

      • Steve E

        The Timothy McVeigh types only bomb federal buildings. They don’t bomb people in public places at public events. That would be the Bill Ayers type that would do something like that.

        • Dave

          That is incorrect A S Green. Bill Ayers was involved in the Pentagon during the Vietnam war. Different time and circumstance altogether.

          • Steve E

            And so it was with McVeigh.

      • bigdave46

        ACTUALLY, we have no clue what McVeigh was…they executed him within minutes ! While major Hassan, lounges for 4 years in complete comfort….cause he is a muslim dontchaknow.

        • Kinetic1

          bigdave46,
          “they executed him within minutes !”
          Within minutes of what? The bombing occured in April of 1995, He was indicted in August of 1995, and he was executed in June of 2001. Where I come from that’s 6 years, not “minutes!”

          • Flashy

            Facts don’t matter when an extremist goes on a rant. facts are such pesky things to be ignored to the TP/American taliban folks

          • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

            You are a perfect example of someone who continually ignores the facts.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            And distort & twist them.

          • Bob666

            Yo Babbybacks,

            “And distort & twist them” from someone who makes crap up along the way? Really?

            Have you ever poster a fact?

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Maybe.

            But if so, it was a loooooooooooooooong time ago!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Speaking about ourselves again, are we? Here is something from the libturd state of California saying how they plan to take people’s guns.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/10381/californias-gun-solution-drug-everybody-then-confiscate-their-guns/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Bible.”
            Woodrow Wilson

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Have you? The persobnal attack. Classic 5th column strategy. Here is an article showing how Obama bin Laden is trying to take away some of our God-given rights in the Constitution.
            http://www.minutemannews.com/2013/04/obama-chips-away-at-your-freedom-hoping-you-wont-notice-or-care/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The Bible is no mere book, but a Living Creature, with a power that conquers all that oppose it.”
            Napoleon Bonaparte

          • Bob666

            Yo Mr. Sammy-“Bob, if my sources are wrong, then the one who wrote, spoke, etc., the quote or source would be wrong”,

            Who was throwing the fit of a five year old about me stalking you?

            You need Psychiatric help and maybe you and Alondra can get group rates.

          • Da Buda Masta

            samurai: You need to update your facts about Napoleon Bonaparte. He is neither a patriot nor a Christian.” He is nothing more than a tyrannical dictator that betrayed the French revolution and crown himself the first emperor of France. He have a strong belief in religion but doubt Jesus Christ ever existed.

            In fact he quoted;

            “All religions have been made by men”

            “If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal giver of life would be my god.”

            “If I had believed in a God of rewards and punishments, I might have lost courage in battle”

            “I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness”

            Napoleon Bonaparte

          • bigdave46

            leftists always exaggerate then attack…so give us some slack jack!

      • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

        Why do you throw Libertarians in the mix? When has a Libertarian ever committed such and act? You cannot name one, can you, Liar?

        • mark

          Timothy McVeigh, I already named him.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            mark, don’t you want to claim McVeigh as he is one of your own ideology?

          • speedle24

            McVeigh was not a Libertarian you ditz. He was an anarchist. There is much more difference there than there is between a Stalinist and an American Progressive.

    • The Christian American

      Not in the least. The Saudi’s are his best allies. They bought 60 billion dollars worth of military equipment from him. They are the world’s largest seller of oil and they only sell it for dollars shoring up the value of the dollar. Who, other than Obama’s government, benefited with the terrorist attack in Boston? Who benefited with 9/11?

    • 010sonny

      As Green lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Keep your red herrings for your own dinner table. I prefer reality.
      Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next.
      Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers. I have already started with four small 65 watt panels and go to the house reducing my electric bill. Paying cash no loans and will continue through the years and will be independent with no loans. Example fuel for an electric vehicle would save enough to pay for the vehicle and the solar/ wind array. Can never do that with the centralized toxic systems that these shills keep trying to deceive us with. Go Green, its your Health and profit to do so.

      • Kim Kottas

        Green what a farce. Your panels only have a 10 year life span plus 65 watts is a piss in the wind. You are running down the road with blinders on. I started to experiment with solar cells when they were 50.00 bucks a watt! When it gets down to 10 cents a watt then it will be a contender,,until then we use what we have to now. That is oil, coal and natural gas.

        • 010sonny

          Kim Can not help one who is as naive as you are proposing you are on this subject. 10 year is false.4X65= 260Watts. More coming. Your evelatuation for 10 cents a watt exhibits the limits to your abilities to comprehend how solar energy is used. I built my solars and now have found more efficent models on the market than what I can build for less. All you are doing is pissing in the wind. No substance.

          • bigdave46

            its obvious WHERE the wind blows in your family……

        • Bob666

          Yo Kim,

          If you are correct (not saying that you are), then how come solar farms are being built with private money all over the world?
          Money does not go into an investment with out a return.

      • Vash the Stampede

        You understand it takes 1000 watts to make a kilowatt. The average household is 20 kilowatts. My microwave is 1200 watts just as an example of power usage.You need at least 3000 watts to put a dent in average house hold usage. We have a below average house hold of 10 to 15000 kilowatts. It would take 15 65 watt panels to start to make a 1000 watt difference. Good luck with the solar panels hope they work out.

      • Vash the Stampede

        It takes a 1000 watts to make a kilowatt. The average household is 20 to 25 kilowatts. It takes 1200 watts to run our microwave (just an example). You will need to have 15 small panels to make 1000 watts (kilowatt). Life span is variable depending on abuse from harsh weather & quality of panels. Some have 20 to 30 year guarantees. I guess it depend on what you are using them for.

  • william C

    What does Redford put in his car(s) to make them go – rubber bands? How does he heat his home? Even if he uses electric heat, that has to come from most likely a fossil fuel burning power plant.

    • mark

      You can drive a gasoline-fueled car or live in an oil-heated home and still oppose this particular pipeline for its dangers to the environment. Millions of Americans hold this same position. All the oil that goes through this pipeline will be shipped from U.S. Gulf ports to overseas buyers. None of it is going to U.S. refineries. Most of it will end up in China.

      • bigdave46

        THIS is easy to change…we need JOBS! We NEED TAX PAYERS! Delusional, unscientific envirowhacks are a severe problem and hold us back from all sorts of new technology and new discoveries !! FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS NOW TRUMP FACTS !!!

        • 010sonny

          Bigdave46 has exhibited his low tolerance to education. Rendering the comment mute.

          • bigdave46

            iIs THAT all you got? dumbed-down to the max are ya…pitiful you…never had a job, like Obambo….can’t buy your own clothes…aint got no car(usin yo language !), gotta live on mama’s sofa..you so pitiful. When yo welfare cherk git thar?

          • Bob666

            Yo 46,
            Why do you accuse everyone that you disagree with of being a deadbeat on the dole?

        • mark

          That depends. If it’s your own land or the land of your neighbor on which hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil are spilled, that might “trump the facts” for you. You might even get a little emotional about that and change your opinion on this issue.

      • Gary

        This might be a true statement about the oil ending up in China. After all Obama had a snit and went after Canada when it was thought that the French wanted to make an investment in the oil sands. Not a word when China went to the investment table. There may be an argument that a China factor be a condition of any Obama approval.

    • 010sonny

      Bill Roe fails to comprehend the full magnitude of the benefits of independent energy that individuals are now offered for a profit. Keep in mind that an Electric Vehicle [EV] are 4 times more efficient to ANY internal combustible engine. That alone is significant in energy required to operate the EV’s. Regardless if its from coal/oil/nuclear/wind/solar/hydro/etc. Now Bill observe the flexibility of an EV in fuel. Internal Combustion not as much if any.
      I have already started with four small 65 watt panels and go to the house reducing my electric bill. Paying cash no loans and will continue through the years and will be independent with no loans. Example fuel for an electric vehicle would save enough to pay for the vehicle and the solar/ wind array. Can never do that with the centralized toxic systems that these shills keep trying to deceive us with. Go Green, its your Health and profit to do so.

  • Flashy

    Ummmm…Mr. Myers? i believe you may find this to be of interest in correcting the misleading facts you placed in your article. This from the LA Times and the WSJ.

    Now, we know that being in the company of oil interests, uncaring about private land rights, and having an unusual tendency to not really give the true fatcs is fast becoming a trademark signature…but c’mon….at least when facts and all are fudged, couldn’t you do it with some that are not so well known ?

    “But the Exxon Mobil pipeline spill, initially estimated to have released at least 157,000 gallons of crude oil and driven more than 20 families from their homes, represents only a fraction of the regular oil losses from the huge network of pipelines stretching across the United States.

    Between 2008 and 2012, U.S. pipelines spilled an average of more than 3.1 million gallons of hazardous liquids per year, according to data from the Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, the nation’s pipeline regulator. Those spills — most commonly caused by corrosion and equipment failure — caused at least $1.5 billion in property damage altogether.

    In 2010, a historic inland spill of 819,000 gallons of diluted bitumen — a kind of oil from the tar sands in Alberta — shut down the Kalamazoo River for miles after a pipeline break in Marshall, Mich”

    • Gary

      The kind of oil possibly. The kind of pipeline absolutely not. That is an obsolete line. The crazies won’t even let the old rotten lines be replaced!

    • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

      And, who believes the L.A. Times?

      • Flashy

        i know..especially when a similar story runs in the WSJ. Criminey ….what you want to believe doesn’t change reality …

        • momo

          “what you want to believe doesn’t change reality ”
          As you have repeatedly demonstrated.

    • 010sonny

      Flashy Gary; have actually done some research. Notice they didn‘t even mention the two massive oil rig blow outs. One off the coast of Texas the Other Louisiana which carried across the lush tourist beaches and fishing grounds. Alaska is still feeling the affects of the Val Diaz after 14 years. Imagine what Gulf Of Mexico has in store for decades to come.
      BREAKING NEWS. Solar Panel had an energy spill. Two received sunburns the rest are suffering from tans…

  • Liberty Lover

    Wish you’d said “Islamic barbarities” instead of “Islamic sins,” John, but a fine article in any case.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Yes, if one is a horsepucky collector, John has provided some truly “fine” material to add to the pile. “Ever higher and deeper” is the motto!

  • oat21

    Robert Redford is a washed up old actor who should fade off into the sunset and keep his ugly old crinkly skin face out of America’s business. Your washed up and old Redford, why don’t you just go away into the sunset where no body has to look at or listen to your left wing liberal BS. I’m sure you have several gas guzzling vehicles in your numerous garages….

    • mark

      You’re right, Redford is guilty of getting old. Just like sixty million other Americans over 65. We should probably ban them all from participating in our political life, bar them from voting and exercising their 1st Amendment rights to speak out on political and economic issues since they are, as you say, washed-up, wrinkley, over-the hill, and ugly. You must be a Christian. I can tell by your humanity toward others.

      • S.C.Murf

        Still at it mark, you shill. You yell for the first amendment how about yelling for the second amendment or do you just pick and choose. And the Christian comment was about right for your frame of mind, evil and in the gutter. Jesus still loves even you.

        up the hill
        airborne

        • 010sonny

          S.C. Murph emulate his mentor John Myers. Red herrings must be the specialty of the day. Try to focus. Oil vs. Green is the heart of this article, even if the oily shill embellished red herrings to ignore the Green issue.
          I have already started with four small 65 watt panels and go to the house reducing my electric bill. Paying cash no loans and will continue through the years and will be independent with no loans. Example fuel for an electric vehicle would save enough to pay for the vehicle and the solar/ wind array. Can never do that with the centralized toxic systems that these shills keep trying to deceive us with. Go Green, its your Health and profit to do so.

          • mari

            Those “centralized toxic systems” actually run your electric car. Where do think all that power comes from? Solar and wind cannot produce the quantity it needs. I think the issue is not so much green vs. oil as much as it its FREEDOM VS. TYRANNY. The green umbrella is really a weapon of mass destruction. It legislates and taxes our economy to death.

          • 010sonny

            Your premise is false. Solar alone has proven they easily furnish the fuel for an EV. Tyranny is from a central source. Freedom is to be independent. Something you will never have with a central source. Subsides to oil companies and paying to clean up their continous misadventures is what is Taxing us.

        • mark

          Yes, you’re right what an evil comment it was of mine, to criticize discrimination against the elderly. And where exactly was the yelling involved? Mine was a very calm and unemotional comment, lacking insulting language, caps, or exclamation points. I merely repeated much of what oat21 said in his own post. I own a gun and support the 2nd Amendment but I also support background checks for everyone including private sales and guns shows. Guess that makes me a traitor, a communist, a terrorist, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Mao, responsible for a hundred million deaths, a useful idiot, a member of the sheeple, on and on it goes, day after day….don’t you ever get tired of these meaningless labels and cliches? Apparently not.

          • Yourhedonistic

            You made the statement that you used no insulting language which was a lie, you said that he must be a Christian because of something that he said, I’m insulted because I am a Christian and I would never think or act that way… maybe you never came in contact with a real Christian only someone that professes to be so… a real Christian actually possesses faith not just professes faith. there was a life will give evidence whether their faith is living

        • Bob666

          Yo Smurffy,
          Why do you accuse everyone that you disagree with of being a paid shill?

          • Right Brain Thinker

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          • Right Brain Thinker

            Let’s try again. Because Smurfy can’t come up with real arguments, so he just calls people names?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Half-brainer, whose fault was, that your comment has been removed?
            Me again? Or Bush?

      • Ole SC

        No Mark, we don’t need to ban all of them, just the ones that have been too ignorant to learn that liberalism is the most mind twisted philosophy ever known to all mankind. If he or anyone else his(our) age is still liberal thinking, then they are too stupid to participate in political life. Oh yeah, don’t forget Redford is the same jerk that was all for the Government taking other peoples land for public use until the wanted to take some of his.. and then he pitched a bitch about it!!! That’s typical of all liberals, however!!!

    • 010sonny

      Oats21; How easily you are distracted. Apparently a taste for red herring is more to your appetite. Try taking a bite of reality.
      Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers.
      Oats21; How easily you are distracted. Apparently a taste for red herring is more to your appetite. Try taking a bite of reality.
      Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers.

    • dick gazinia

      Wishing it ain’t so does not make it ain’t so… The sad truth is that tar sand oil is the DIRTIEST fuel source by far… more than 15 times coal. Yes, it would be a source of jobs as was buffalo hunting, but wise minds succeeded and save the buffalo and those jobs are now as extinct as the buffalo would have been.

      It is interesting that those who favor the pipeline oppose clean energy research. Any reputable scientist, those not employed by big oil and coal, recognizes that human activity, pumping vast amounts of carbon into our atmosphere, is slowly running out atmosphere. Consider what happens when you leave your car motor running with the windows shut and what happens to the people inside. Big oil and coal have created the illusion that coal tar is safe so they can keep their undertaxed record profits rolling in.

      TRUE CONSERVATIVES understand that the most important thing to preserve is our planet. There is only one that can support life and we life on it. Just as stone age people knew not to defecate in their wells, we should not needlessly soil our planet. This is not a right wing/left wing issue. It is a human issue. Those who whine about leaving debt to our descendants should think about leaving them a habitable planet.

  • Warrior

    The only “plausible” explanation for “saudi behavior” is……………….they are all “white supremacists” in disguise! God, I just hate it when the “left” is always “right”. What’s your favorite color?

    • Dawn Garland

      that is FUNNY!

    • bigdave46

      the “left” only PRETENDS to be right….they are always WRONG !!! …..” .FEEEELINGS” NEVER TRUMP FACTS AND THE TRUTH, yet in AMERICA, feeeelings destroy our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS !!!

      • 010sonny

        Thats it just blah, blah, blah.

    • 010sonny

      Warrior another one that fails to have the ability to address the issues of the article and just comments on some trivial malarkey that adds up to nothing. No support or contribution to his mentor John Myers. Perhaps Dawn can help him with some issues on Butts. Since neither of you are knowledgeable enough to discuss the issues I’ll go right on and give you an example of how to debate or discuss an issue.
      Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Your comment means that you don’t do your own grocery shopping. Next time your mother or significant other goes to the grocery store check where the veggies and fruit come from or where the food is manufactured.
        So your concern for the heartland or the environment is all BS.

      • Rick

        There is NO COMPARISON to the oil spill in the Golf or from the Valdez,to the spill in Arkansa.The fact is that oil on land is in ANY CASE way easier to mange and a lot less DESTRUCTIVE than a spill in the water could ever be.You better remember MAN ate from the sea long before the Heart Land.

      • Frank Kahn

        How inconvenient it is that the new electric cars are incapable of transporting our families to the places they need to go. How frustrating it is to have to recharge those tiny little sardine cans all night just to be able to drive into town one time a day. Uhoh, look, the Wallmart parking lot is full, I will never find a place to plug my car in so I can recharge it and make it back home. I hope they have some spare, charged batteries, that I can afford, so I can keep going.

        Are these the problems you want to face every day of your life in America? If your child falls and breaks a bone right after you return from your shopping, can you afford to wait the 6 hours for your car to recharge before taking them to the doctor? Your electric car gets about 50 miles to a charge, how long will it take you to drive to grandma’s house that is 400 miles away?

        Is this the part of the debate you want to engage in or do you want me to list the fails inherent in home power production?

        • Flashy

          Actually frank…if you were up to date on your info, you woulod know that the R&D on batteries is being weighted more towards a “quick charge’ battery than longer life. Average time spent in a gas station is a tad above 15 minutes. time it next time you’re at one filling up. 15 minutes and a smidgeon. Now…if they can produce a battery that can be fully recharged in that same time, at the cost of electricity not that of the far more expensive gasoline…voila!

          Another technique being explored is a quick change system. the one i saw involved a panel about four inches thick and 2 feet by 4 feet. if the auto industry can agree on conformity, and they get the tech down…you’ll pull up, the tech would pull out the exhausted panel and slide a recharged unit right in.

          R&D frank…it’s a wonderful thing. Does something called improvement and seeking solutions. you should try it sometime..propose solutions instead of ranting about problems…

          • Frank Kahn

            What they are aiming at and what they have is two different things. The current state of the technology is what my concerns addressed. I am not a poor simpering little kid that needs to time everything in my life. But if you personally take that long to gas up your car fine. I take less than 10 minutes. You need to stop using your personal world as a measure of the reality of the rest of normal humans. We don’t live in or function as your robot tools.

            You are a mind numbing simplistic person that has no personal thoughts. You come here and spew the most inane and insane bs I have encountered, with the exception of the brainless RBT.

            You want a solution, here goes, we kill all the stupid insane liberals in the world. Next we eliminate everyone that whines about how man is destroying the environment. We execute everyone that participates or supports abortion. We also execute all the homosexual supporters. And, for good measures we terminate the anti-gun nuts. Population reduction about 80% of the world. Problem solved, less people less environmental impact caused by man.

            Although extreme, it is no more ridiculous than the crap you advocate, and it solves the problem much quicker than anything you might come up with.

            So, what is your personal ideas for a solution? Electric cars won’t solve anything. It is a cultural thing, and nothing you left wing idiots propose will change it until you start thinking like rational people and join humanity.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Thanks for the compliment, Frank. Being put in the same class as Flashy is most definitely not the insult that your feverish little brain thinks it is. LOL

            Frank says, “I am not a poor simpering little kid” and launches into an insane series of statements, beginning with “kill all the stupid insane liberals in the world” and advocating the elimination of all kinds of folks until we achieve “a population reduction of about 80% OF THE WORLD”. Frank thinks WAY bigger than Hitler ever did..

            No, Frank is most certainly not a “simpering kid”, he is someone who needs serious help with his mental problems (and soon). You are ONE SICK PUPPY, Frank.

          • Frank Kahn

            Whats the matter, you don’t like being in the group of the dead?

            He gives no solutions to the problem, and I might note that neither do you. If you feel that the carbon footprint of humanity is the cause of GW then reducing the population is the only quick solution available.

            And if you feel that your lack of intellectual ability is something to be proud of that is fine with me. You and flashy can sit and fret about all the imaginary problems in the world. Have a nice day.

  • bobwhite1935

    We’ve seen enough of the Hollywood so called stars backing the idiot democrat party & it’s idiots running this country into the ground with it’s communist run laws.

    • bigdave46

      GEE, where did all the Clark Gables, the John Waynes, the Gary Coopers , even Elvis, go ?! Hollywood/entertainer types who actually SERVED THEIR COUNTRY ?! All replaced by semi-educated, suddenly rich and communist, manufactured celebrities , who go to AFRICA to adopt children(what’s wrong with AMERICAN KEEEDS ?!) , go places where most Americans can only dream of, mansions and expensive cars and clothes….while the CELEBRITY-IN-CHIEF(another manufactured idiot!) DESTROYS THE MIDDLE CLASS AND ALL OUR FREEDOMS!!!!!

    • 010sonny

      Here we go again with red herrings. Our waiters bowwhite bigdave are serving their specialty of the day. Lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Apparently they have no justification for their oily shill agendas. Thus just all the more with their blah, blah, blah. Keep your red herrings for your own dinner table. I prefer reality.
      Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

  • TonyD

    Some 50 years ago we the (USA) tied our currency and our future to oil. To do this we allied with Saudi Arabia in order to “control” oil and how it is marketed and sold. This included oil being only traded in US dollars. This remains so today. Want to dump the Saudis, and trade them for tar sands products. How will this impact us when oil is no longer traded in US dollars. maybe Hugo Chavez (posthumously) and Ahmadinejad (Iran) may yet get their wish as the world is no longer forced to buy out dollars in order to buy their oil. Be very careful what you wish for…..no tar sands oil is scheduled for US markets, not one drop.

    • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

      We get less than 7% of our oil from Saudi Arabia now.

      • carl_AF

        I believe that you will find that oil from any source is priced at what the market demands. And, if there is an increase in oil or natural gas production then it stands to reason that the price of oil will go down.

    • 010sonny

      Tony has an original comment. Its not from the baying herd. Very refreshing. What effect this Tar Sand oil would have on our monetary system? Good point. Keep in mind that monetary finical systems can change the base of what determines value. Precisely why the debt of our Nation is for only the naïve to fluster about. It can be dealt with. What is the major problem is the dysfunctional republican party to actually, to do their jobs. Stop feeding us their red herrings and address the issues in a mature leadership capability. They should take a page or two from Theodore Roosevelt and Eisenhower. One a progressive republican the other a moderate republican. Since Nixon’s time they have been for the inequality of our financial institutions. Republicans agendas promote centralized deregulated toxic solutions. Internet is more readily to expose their false leadership for this USA

      • Frank Kahn

        Better yet, than condemning us to hell on earth by following the liberal immoral agenda, lets follow God. That would, of course, leave you out.

        • Right Brain Thinker

          Hey look! Frank got TWO down arrows for this inanity.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually I see only one, and I am sure it was you so I returned the favor.

    • bigdave46

      hey TonyD…funny how the states involved in oil/nat gas exploration have the LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN the COUNTRY !!! And our, uh, dictator/celebrity-in-chief continues to keep his green thumb on the backs of many AMERICANS, destroying JOBS AND THE families that need them !!!

  • Gea

    Saudi citizens orchestrated 9/11/2001 and it appears that the current Boston massacre was performed by a Saudi. Instead of limiting interaction with the countries, which breeds terrorists and finances teaching hatred against Western civilization propagated by the Muslim Brotherhood all over the world, Obama bows to Saudi King and extolls Islam and Qur’an which are the root cause of current day violence and terrorism.

    Read Qur’an and see for yourself. that Islamic teachings THEMSELVES, which are propagated in mosques and Muslim organizations around the world, financed by Saudis and Iranians and other oil rich countries, are incompatible with the US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Islam does not belong into any society that respects liberty, human rights and justice. Mohamed was a pedophile , polygamist, rapist, looter and murderer who in any decent society would be tried for his crimes and not emulated as a role model.

    On the other hand, it is stupid to continue burning fossil fuels in order to run Western civilization. There is enough solar (both thermal and photo) energy and water around the world that we can harvest it on our back yards and roofs and thus do not depend on grids of energy (electric grids or gas and oil pipelines that are damaging to environment. We have to think SMALL and diffused, thus work on self-sufficiency of individuals and/or neighborhoods.

    It is not either Saudi Arabia or Keystone, but NEITHER…large renewable wind and solar farms are also damaging to environment and intrinsically unsafe. Diffused harvesting of energy and water is the way to go. We can store this energy into electric car batteries and replace all our internal combustion engines with electromotors…and thus achieve sustainability without dealing with Obama or US Congress. Let’s run large energy and water corporations out of business… EVerybody can take care of their energy and water needs and thus be free from slaving for somebody else…

    • Chester

      So WHY are you still on the grid? Seems you may be a bit twofaced in your thinking, as you want to tell the rest of us what to do, but don’t do it yourself.

    • 010sonny

      Vlasta Molak WOW your take on religion has left much to be desired. I could answer that but that’s not the issue. It was good to see you did make a good attempt at Green VS Toxic’, at the bottom of your comment.
      You said; It is not either Saudi Arabia or Keystone, but NEITHER…large renewable wind and solar farms are also damaging to environment and intrinsically unsafe”
      I’ll have to call you on that. What toxic substances that are used are sent out for recycling. Only damage to the environment worth noting is the reduction of smog and couple of sunburns. Link, Link..
      Then you said; “We can store this energy into electric car batteries and replace all our internal combustion engines with electromotors…and thus achieve sustainability without dealing with Obama or US Congress”
      Correct on batteries but not car batteries. Inefficient due to lack of capacity and amperage in holding charge . Deep Cells and Scrubber battery are but two far superior to car battery. Electric Vehicles are reduced to simply [EV‘s}.
      You failed to realize is that it’s the Obama administration that is pushing for {EV’s} and more. Republicans are opposed, as they favor coaly/oily/ nuclear toxic systems.
      Then you said; {Let’s run large energy and water corporations out of business… EVerybody can take care of their energy and water needs and thus be free from slaving for somebody else}
      Large energy and water corporations will still be required for many years to come. You are correct that some individuals can become energy independent.
      I have just started to add solar panels two at a time as I can pay for them or make them. Have 4 presently and soon two more will be joining them. As we speak my “Great Room” is being supplied by solar. I look at it as a green garden. Just keep adding on and growing more independent and with no loans. More I cut the electric company out the more I can afford. Try it. One site.. Google.. DIY Green and watch how many others are into doing just that. Imagine make your own fuel for your EV and the money saved from having to purchase gas, pays for your panels and your car.

  • Dawn Garland

    once again–an actor talks out of his butt!

    • 010sonny

      Dawn is obsessed with Butts when the focus is on Green vs. Toxic Fuel. Makes me wonder what is rattling around in that mind.
      Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers.

  • Vancouver1941

    Since Robert Redford and the other movie stars don’t live in the real world of mainstream America what do they care about jobs and how people struggle to survive. They seem to forget the American public are the ones who go to movies and buy the movie when it comes out in dvd format.Besides the benefit from the jobs and supporting jobs of the keystone pipeline it would be wonderful to get oil from a country we do not have to go to war with for oil.Most of the actors and actresses today have no class compared to even what were considered class B actors from 50 years ago.

    • bigdave46

      yeah…lets see how long the ENTERTAINMENT/MEDIA COMMUNITY can support an AMERICA WHO NO LONGER WORKS AND PAYS TAXES…….get ready folks…it aint gonna be pretty.

      • 010sonny

        More blah, blah blah,

    • 010sonny

      Vancouver 1941; lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Keep your red herrings for your own dinner table. I prefer reality.
      Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

      • Frank Kahn

        Actually, it is you that is missing or twisting the facts about the purpose of the article. It was aimed at Redford and other Hollywood shills that are blowing smoke out their backsides in support of something that they dont really believe in. It is obvious that you are an environmental extremist, you have no real knowledge about what is true in the energy field. Oil is necessary to everyday life in this country, if you want some examples I can provide. If you simply stopped all forms of transportation that require fossil fuels you would have no food to eat, no water to drink, no way of getting to places more than a couple hundred miles from your home. No defense by the military. Have you personally seen the new electric power plants that are capable of moving a tank or flying a commercial airliner? Even though our locomotives are electric, they require diesel burning engines to generate the electricity to power the train.

        The technology for purely green power is not here yet, it may never make it unless we go back to a mere agrarian social structure. Until we can make 200 years of social changes in the world, we need OIL. As long as we need OIL, we need to assess the pro’s and con’s of the source of that OIL.

        So, calling someone that understands the current need for Oil a shill is disingenuous. It is more apropo to call you a green energy shill, since what you advocate is not currently feasible. And, by the way, 260 watts won’t even power my space heater, let alone my oven and stove top. I use that much energy with just lights on during the night. My desktop computer has a 750 watt power supply.

  • jed_hoyer

    how does the oil from mexico get here? where does that 10k jobs come from? the same place that the 4million jobs created from obama? jobs in imagination land doesn’t help unemployment.

  • village idiot

    Why take any notice of what he says anyway? Plastic people are not exactly qualified to talk about much else than themselves, their oscars and their ego’s and don’t really care a hoot about anyone else except themselves. Always portraying someone else, the are seriously prone to forget who they really are and what really matters, overestimate their importance and seriously consider that they world simply would not be able to exist without them! Dear old Robert should just give everyone a break, go back to Sundance and be quiet, unless of course he wants to run for office too.

    • 010sonny

      Village idot; Avatar pretty much sums it up.
      Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers.

  • mark

    Just what we need, another endorsement for the pipeline from the oil lobby. Thank you, Mr. Myers. Hope they are paying you well.

    • Flashy

      He may not have seen the newest manufacture statistics. Hybrid fuel cars are now accounting for 14% of all sales of cars and trucks. Percentage of energy from renewable resources is up 8% from last year to now hit almost 20% of all energy production (excluding auto fuels), imports of oil are down and we have begun exporting some fuels, and natural gas is replacing coal fired plants as it is cheaper, available, and cleaner.

      Bog Oil is fighting back. A “shill’ is a term i’ve read often on PLD … would that fit this article?

    • bigdave46

      GEE…LET US IMAGINE A WORLD….SUDDENLY WITH NO GASOLINE. DARE YA !

    • 010sonny

      Well Mark actually his pay has been deminished. Seems that oil has past its peak in avaibility and it is now a depeleting source. Notice how the prices just keep going up as the depletion grows.

  • Steelyal

    We shoulld hand every Hollywood Hypocrite a M-16 and let them go fight for oil. Send Obama also.

    • mark

      They all opposed the recent U.S. disasterous wars in the Middle East. Conservatives and Republicans supported them. Now $2 trillion later, the chaos and quagmire continues with zero positive results, thousands of American GIs killed, tens of thousands maimed, paralzyed and amputees – and higher oil prices! Hollywood and Obama overwhelming opposed Bush and Cheney’s 2003 war in Iraq – and were condemned on this blog as traitors for doing so. No two-thirds of the American people agree with them. Iraq was an immoral, disasterous, and futile war that created more terrorists and helped bankrupt America. Hollywood, which is so often wrong, was 100% right on that one.

    • 010sonny

      Steelyal accuses with no foundations. Here we is one that wants us to go back to simple name calling. He’s this they are that blah, blah and on the issue …. Silence… crickets chirping…
      Lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Apparently they have no justification for their oily shill agendas.
      Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

  • Lucky3511

    This Arab loving creep should retire from public life, just because he cannot get any decent movies he has to use other methods of getting in the news. This latest merely shows his absolute ignorance of the situation America is currently in, thanks mainly to his kind and the Obamination

    • 010sonny

      Lucky demonstrates his abilities to follow the shepherded sheep. Proposes that we are for some reason would prefer our being Bushwhacked like it was in 2008.
      Lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Apparently they have no justification for their oily shill agendas.
      Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next. Hmm.. Why not refine the tar sand oil in Canada? What’s with this thousands of miles of pipes over our farmlands. Oily efforts in the Gulf of Mexico has increased the demise of its tropical flavor. Now its becoming the cesspool of the oil companies. What will they do to your heartland of our food basket?

  • Scifidave

    What a load of crap. We live a little ways north of the Arkansas shale oil spill. Stuff is so think it goes under the water and it will take years to repair the environmnetal damage.

    The 10,000 jobs claim is as bogus as a gnat taking down and eagle, and what few jobs will be created are temporary.

    There is no good excuse for creating this pipeline, but loads of bad reasons. Including the fact that 100% of the oil will be exported, not used for domestic consumption, so it won’t reduce our dependence on foreign oil,

    A bad idea all around.

    • vietnamvet1971

      be sure to save every bird,tree, bug, gnat, a few elephants and put them in your boat. pitiful Liberals will save the world for what? GOD is going to destroy this present Evil world. Get real if possible. Hurry save a few flies today.

      • dontmindme

        Well, your God better hurry up. People who believe the environment doesn’t need protecting are going to kill off the world before he gets his supposed chance.

        • vietnamvet1971

          I am glad he is MY God, you also have a little god (Satan) that you serve in this present Evil world. It is all in GOD’S plan to destroy this World. Read Revelations if you want the answers. Now go save a bug or two.

      • Karolyn

        So in your view vietnamvet, destroy as much as we can because “God” is going to destroy it all anyway, right?

        • vietnamvet1971

          what needs to happen is you Liberals get a life if possible. What are you saving today? you people are so funny running around saving the world when you can not save yourselves.

      • 010sonny

        Ahh yes the “Rapture”. All from the left to brought up to heaven. The right are not required. God has reserved a nice warm place for them..
        Warmth provided by renewable heavenly sources and no toxic fuels required.

    • 010sonny

      Excellent post there David…

  • Homie

    I live a few miles from the site of the Mayflower spill. Until the pipeline companies can assure that they will perform diligent maintenance, on existing pipelines, I would be against building another. Especially since the oil being pumped is meant to be exported, after refinement. The only way that I would be for the Keystone pipeline, is if all products refined from this oil, must stay in the US and is barred from export.

  • The Christian American

    Mr. Myers is missing one point. Saudi Arabia only sells it’s oil for dollars shoring up the worthless currency. By creating petro dollars and the dollar being the world’s sovereign currency, Saudi Arabia buys whatever it wants. Even the EU with it’s own currency has to convert it to dollars to buy oil. Saving the American people money isn’t what they’re after. The aim is to make all oil traded in nothing but dollars. When I say all oil, I mean just that. Saddam and Ghaddafi started to sell their oil in other than dollars and look what happened to them. We buy oil from Saudi Arabia and the Fed prints paper to pay for it. There is something for nothing, provided you go along with their treachery. Canada does not back it’s currency with dollars. That’s why the government does not want Canadian oil. Saudi Arabia does. They even spent $60 billion on American military equipment, again bolstering the American economy. There’s another fly in the ointment and that’s Syria, Iran and Russia. They aren’t interested in playing the game either. For now, we go after the littlest guy but this is going to come to a head. You’ve got to watch the magicians other hand because that’s the one playing the tricks. If other than dollars is used to buy oil, America will totally collapse. The only thing backing the dollar is oil sales. The American people are nothing but a source of income to the government they serve.

  • bigdave46

    To be EXPECTED!! Rich/elites, manufactured faux “celebrities”, determined to rule over us ! These folks can buy gas at ANY PRICE, and EXPENSIVE SPORTS CARS AND SUV’S TO BOOT, controlling your lifestyles, even your JOBS with their unscientific(algore aint no damn scientist !!!)delusional envirowhackism, like OBAMBOOZLER himself, the KENYAN COMMUNIST DICTATOR !!! Obama is about as “HAWAAIAN” AS IDI AMIN !! Get a grip people…our “young and stupid”, and some older folks too, get their INFORMATION, AND THEIR AMERICAN HISTORY from the LEFTSTREAM MEDIA AND COMMUNIST HOLLYWOOD, ALL LEFTISTS ALL THE TIME!!! Question: which side is responsible for murdering more folks around the world, other than ISLAMISTS ? Right wing “extremists”……or leftist COMMUNISTS ? This is EASY !!!!! pick a side. Hint: any and every government which imposes its will on the people is LEFT!

    • Dave

      LOL… you know so little… The end result of right wing and left wing extremist governments is the same… Way to not take responsibility for the ideology that brought us Hitler, the Saudis, Saddam, Iran and so many other RIGHT wing extemist regimes.
      Read a book once in a while… Then again… don’t… I like seeing right wing “intelligence” front and center. Keep up the good work!

      • bigdave46

        Quick, grab a towel…you are about to drown in Chris Matthew’s slobber….idiots should never advise the educated to read….its obvious you do not, typical left turn only LIBTURD!

        • Dave

          You must be educated in MS if you consider yourself educated. Matthews is a first class tool… as are you. Go back to Fox news so they can give you your opinion. The adults are talking now.

  • Peter Barney

    The Hollyweird elitist like Redford want no American progress in trade with Canada over this pipeline. He and others halt progress with our neighboring nations. That means stagnant job growth, let alone no work on this project! Where sits pretty on his property ranch in Sundance, Utah giving out his commands!

  • jecsl

    Anyone who opposes oil-drilling or the use of oil should have to live in a cave and live off the land for food and clothing….EVERYTHING a person buys has had oil involved including, but not limited to, production and delivery…they need to walk the talk

    • KG

      To hell with poor people and the environment!

      • jecsl

        what do poor people have to do with the environment – they are the ones who need the jobs…obviously, you are one of the ones who needs to be living in a cave

        • Dave

          What do poor people have to do with it? They are the ones living next to the reactors, refineries etc so if the worst happens, just just their lives ripped apart. But since they can’t afford dinners for politicians, they do not matter in conservativeworld anyway.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Let’s see—-30+ years ago some Canadians did something good in Iran and that relates HOW to Keystone TODAY? Not at all, I think, but John seems to think it does, so let’s humor him. And we also bring in the medieval societal backwardness of Saudi Arabia and show a nice picture of a non-burkah wearing western woman. Lord love a duck, John—-you’re not talking to children here and should try to use more adult arguments.

    Of course John is a CANADIAN who is up to his ears in promoting fossil fuels and Keystone for a living, so I guess he figures anything goes. It is sad that some on this site will “hear” him and mindlessly nod in agreement..

    • 010sonny

      Right brain has exposed a possible conspiracy of to what this article is actually representing Sad, Sad, have to agree.
      Lets just try to focus on the real issues here in this article by John Myers. Apparently they have no justification for their oily shill agendas. Thus just all the more with their blah, blah, blah. Keep your red herrings for your own dinner table. I prefer reality.

  • FreedomFighter

    In the world we live in today, to import oil from the middle east is a threat to national security. As such, need to import should be reduced or eliminated. So long as we need oil, lets get it from our own natural resources or countries like Canada.
    The part I dont like is that the oil will not be used here in the US, unless we have problems and will be exported, maybe a percentage should be targeted for domestic use as part of the deal…
    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • The Christian American

      Buying oil or drilling our own oil is one thing but shoring up the dollar is another. Their agenda is to make all oil tradable only in dollars, regardless where it comes from. If they were successful in this, the Federal Reserve could print dollars till the cows came home. Oil will have replaced gold, silver and the wealth of America, which was backing the FRN’s till they used it all. right now, there’s NOTHING backing the printing of the dollar. They would regulate the cost of oil which in turn would regulate the value of the dollar. That’s the goal. A “New World Order” will have been founded. Rothschild said: I care not who writes the laws, so long as I control the money.

      • FreedomFighter

        Agree — my view is from a national security standpoint, the FED is the biggest enemy of the American people since Jeckle Island. Still oil is a needed fuel for the economy and life as we know it, for now.

        The Project Part 1
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzohLgqXyY

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          The Muslims Project: Infiltrate the USA Goverment.

          It’s already done. The maslim brotherhood in the White House.

          CIA director is a muslim converted. In Pentagon there is a bunch of jihadists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2P9XFw1HA4

          “I came to see islam not how it often was misrepresented, but for what it is; how it’s practice every day by well over the billion muslims worldwide. A faith of ‘peace’ & ‘tolerance’ and grate ‘diversity’” – John
          Brennan

          Compare John Quincy Adamas, Winston Spencer-Churchill and Mark Twain’s views on islam with the John Brennan’s view on the religion of “peace, tolerance & diversity”.

          “…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.” – John Quincy Adams, the sixth President of the United States (Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.)

          “He [muhammed] POISONED the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by DEGRADING the condition of the FEMALE SEX, and the ALLOWANCE OF POLYGAMY; and he [muhammed] DECLARED UNDISTINGUISHING AND EXTERMINATING WAR, as a part of his religion, AGAINST ALL THE REST OF MANKIND.
          THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE [Adam’s capital letters]….Between these two
          religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the FALSE PROPHET shall furnish motives to human action, THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE UPON EARTH, AND GOOD WILL TOWARDS MEN.” – John Quincy Adams [Chapters X-XIV (pp. 267-402) in The American Annual Register for 1827-28-29. New York, 1830.] p. 269

          “At its most extreme, authoritarianism is exemplified by the isms of the 20th Century — Communism, Fascism and Nazism. The Fascists and Nazis were responsible for the deaths of more than 30 million human beings, while more than 50 million are estimated to have been murdered by Stalin and the Russian Communists, while
          Mao-Tse-Tung and the Chinese Communists are believed to have accounted for some 80 million. But today a new challenge — another ism — confronts us, and that is the challenge of Islamic
          fundamentalism. EXTREMIST Islam has DECLARED WAR on
          the rest of the world, as evidenced by their ruthless attacks across the globe — overwhelmingly targeted at innocent civilians. Beside the outrage of 9/11, the bombings in Madrid, in Bali, in London and, most recently, in Jordan come to mind.
          Those who have declared jihad against the West, and Western values, such as freedom of speech, are doing all in their power to mobilize against us the large Muslim communities living in our midst… Unbelievably, Washington is urging Europe to admit Turkey to the EU. Were that to happen, the Muslim population of Europe would skyrocket to 100 million — an act, in my view, of consummate folly. Already Judeo-Christian Europe is under siege from a tidal wave of Islamic immigration. The admission of Turkey would hasten its demise… Intriguingly, the dangers of extremist Islam were foreseen by Winston Churchill all of 85 years ago, as I discovered to my amazement, while compiling my most recent book NEVER GIVE IN! The Best of Winston Churchill’s peeches…” – Winston Spencer-Churchill (October 10, 1940 – March 2, 2010), a British politician, and a grandson of former Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill [Winston S. Churchill speaking at the John Locke Foundation’s 16th anniversary dinner in Raleigh, North Carolina, on February 10, 2006]

          “That is a simple rule, and easy to remember. When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, EXAMINE the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is INSANE; not in all things, but in religious matters.” – Mark Twain, an American author and humorist [Christian Science: Book I. Chapter V]

          • Bob666

            Mega Yawn!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Alondra brought that on, not Bob.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You got your carrot, half-brainer.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Alondra dearest, I took a quick look at this now dead thread before deleting it, and noticed you flirting with me in several places. Sorry to disappoint you, but my heart belongs to Vicki.

          • Bob666

            Yo RBT,
            You $lut you!

    • Dave

      You are a funny guy FF, you and your fellow compatriots here talk about “free markets” till the cows come home… But oil, you want the Gov to enforce laws that compell the oil companies to sell what they drill and get in this country internally…
      Hillarious…
      FYI, I believe the oil companies should fall under the Gov’s control because of their importance to national security and the shinanegans they and wall street have pulled on the marketplace and the avg person. Its nice to know you have a bit of socialist in you FF… Just don’t tell anyone about it, the brainwashed think socialists are akin to the devil. Ok fine…

    • Right Brain Thinker

      We only get 1/8 of our oil from the middle east, and we ARE reducing that percentage.

  • newsnose

    The author puts it in perspective. Deal with a decent human being or a monstrous dictator and also realize America still needs oil until we have alternative power companies that do not take government monies and go bankrupt leaving us further in debt with no power to recover our money or use alternative power. Obama and Redford have no common sense – they play on emotions of activist for votes and ratings.

    • 010sonny

      Put what into perspective other than his biases for oil? Failed to address the Alternatives. One sided embellished with red herrings. Yes we will require oil and coal, nuclear for many years to come. Your point? Beating a dead horse there.
      Monstrous Dictator? Are you referring to the Bushwhacker that decimated our finical institutions. Casting over 750,000 per month into unemployment and or homelessness. Is that the one with his Hawk Cheney and his troll of torture Rutherford. Laddie don’t want any of that stuff your drinking.
      Put what into perspective other than his biases for oil? Failed to address the Alternatives. One sided embellished with red herrings. Yes we will require oil and coal, nuclear for many years to come. Your point? Beating a dead horse there.
      Monstrous Dictator? Are you referring to the Bushwhacker that decimated our finical institutions. Casting over 750,000 per month into unemployment and or homelessness. Is that the one with his Hawk Cheney and his troll of torture Rutherford. Laddie don’t want any of that stuff your drinking.

      • newsnose

        Bernard, Bush didn’t bring our economy down – the democrats were in control of the senate and more importantly Barnie Frank (D) was to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He was asked 24 times by the republicans to investigate what they felt was something seriously wrong.. He laughed and said he didn’t have time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/claudette.pembertonholt Claudette Pemberton Holt

    These Hollywood rich people do not have a clue what it is like to struggle every day just to eat. If I know of any of them being involved in the green movement ” I will not watch any thing they have on TV. If all of us did that in a few years these folks would be in a crunch for money.

    • Dave

      Really? Have you taken a poll? Do you realize than many of these “stars” came from nothing and know EXACTLY what it is like to struggle?
      Nah…
      But please continue…

    • Karolyn

      Class warfare anyone?

  • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

    I for one will continue to boycott (video rental) movies by Alec Baldwin, Robert Redford and Sean Penn, or any other actor who wants to dictate how I shall live my life. If you do the same it will have the intended effect of depriving them of their wealth. Will you join me?

    • Dave

      Will you do the same for the conservative states of NC (wanting to install an offical state religion), ND (taking away women’s reproductive rights?)… They are dictating how you should live your life too…
      But here is the difference… Alec Baldwin, Redford and Penn are not in gov and have no power… These conservative lawmakers do have power and are telling you how to live your life… Are you equally up in arms over the conservative states that have passed measures forbidding same sex marriage? How about the Commonwealth of VA who’s AG wants to ban oral and anal sex?

      Just curious…

    • Karolyn

      I’m sure they’ll really miss you. :-)

  • Dave

    The reality is that we have hundreds of pipelines in this country and the only reason anyone cares about the Keystone Pipeline is because it was originally going through a part of NE whould would ruin 30% of the state’s water for drinking and crops.
    It has since been moved.
    The Keystone pipeline will move forward.
    But the big lies are:
    This pipeline will create tens of thousands of US jobs. (the offical figure is 36 permanent jobs, and several hundred temp jobs)
    The other lie is that this pipeline will reduce the price of gas at the pump.
    That oil is going to be refined in TX and then shipped out to the world market which China will see the bulk. It won’t impact your prices in the slightest.
    We will not see lower prices at the pump until we deal with the damage Phil Gramm did by loosening speculation regs in 2000. We have market manipulators in charge along with OPEC now inflating the price of oil for their own selfish gain.

  • BUDUSMC

    Right on Freedom Fighter and Big Dave, who do you think will stand beside us when it comes down to survival? The Saudis or the Canadians ?
    We have protected Saudi Arabia for over 50 tears so much so, the only plane that flew in the USA the day after 9-11 was from the Bush ranch in Texas taking the Saudis home.
    Just ask your self where you would rather live in Canada or Saudi Arabia? That about says it all for your wife mother or daughter. HUH.

  • 010sonny

    Here in this article we can observe how the oil shills defend their toxic agendas. Character assignation and pitting one culture against each other. Oil is approaching the same fate as coal. Wind energy has taken the lead in energy expansion over coal. Oil is next.
    Simply why would anyone want to continue with a toxic fuel system when they can have renewable non toxic. Consider the infrastructure required to process oil. Transportation to refineries and the resulting fiascos that this produces. Refineries with their up and down open / closed driving the prices. Green energy suppresses the need for a central source for the energy needs for an individual. An individual can now produce their own energies to fuel their homes and vehicles. Little wonder oil shills are frantically seeking to expand their red herring menu’s, as it was exhibited in this article by John Myers. I have already started with four small 65 watt panels and go to the house reducing my electric bill. Paying cash no loans and will continue through the years and will be independent with no loans. Example fuel for an electric vehicle would save enough to pay for the vehicle and the solar/ wind array. Can never do that with the centralized toxic systems that these shills keep trying to deceive us with. Go Green, its to your Health and profit to do so.

  • Jimmy Cooper

    If it ever comes to light, I would not be surprised to find out that the mysterious cause of the leak turned out to be tree hugger sabotage!!

  • DZoppa

    People seem to forget the US was built on oil and crude found at home. Too many today are willing to give up our rights and resources for the sake of the green movement. It’s pretty superficial to think we as humans today can save the world. It’s been here for billions of years before us and will remain long after us.

  • johnd

    Redford is a hypocrite. He went into one of the most pristine areas of Utah and built a city. Then he used his celebrity influence to make sure no one else could use the land for commercial purpose any where near Sundance. When asked about the hypocrisy he replied that he knew how to develop environmentally friendly better than any one else.

  • Native Blood

    I think people would not be so eager to put that pipeline in place if they knew what process it would require us to clean, process, then refine that oil sludge! There would be more waste left over and it is deadly and would destroy nearly an entire state to the point of a super spill. Canada has good reason to pipe it here for cleaning because they know the consequences of cleaning that stuff up there.
    If Canada was to do all the processing and refining there, we’d buy the trucked gas from them. What about the jobs? Well, why do you think the senate has a hard-on for a quick amnesty of illegals? Workers man! Workers!

  • Jimmy Hitchcock

    The Keystone XL lines would bring in a very dirty, caustic type of oil that is very polluting as they turn it from tar sands to regular oil and gasoline. We would see little if any of it because it is destined to go to China. The jobs promised would basically be construction jobs, since they would be bringing in their own people for most of the management and office jobs. This stuff is so polluting that they don’t even know how to clean it up, look at Arkansas for a good example. One good spill and look at all the underground water that would be polluted and unusable for human or animal consumption. They want to destroy their own land that’s fine, but not mine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dal.sirany Dal Sirany

    What stupidity!
    Forcing the drilling to offshore platforms costing millions upon millions more than on land. Then, the “BP oil spill”, spilling 83 MILLION BARRELS before being contained. The damage done to the environment and businesses and society in general, incalculable, and these people say nothing. Drilling on land is significantly cheaper, has virtually no effect on the environment, and if a spill does occur, quickly stopped, and VERY LITTLE if any, damage done.
    Absolute stupidity!

    • Karolyn

      Tell that to the people with tainted drinking water, imbibing carcinogens every day, and tell that to the fish and wildlife that will lose their lives and habitats.

  • Jay Lindberg

    Maybe you will get lucky and one of your children will get dosed from food associated with the Fracking industry or the pollution associated with oil sands processing. I sell solar and I’ve put solar on homes of people that have lost children from theses types of contaminates.

    • Dave

      Come on Jay, whats a small incidences of death compared to them saving… oh thats right… Nothing every month on their gas bill. and the pipeline is projected to net 36 full time permanent jobs… Isn’t that worth it? In conservativeland, any environmental tragedy is worth it as long as you can make a little money from it.
      Not to worry though, the oil industry will make out like bandits as they always do. The CEO of Exxon-Mobil just got a 6M dollar raise per year. 34M to a little over 40M. So the conservatives can rest easy there. Thats all the like of John Myers and his band of merry followers care about anyways.

  • ronoco

    John Myers, You are not paying attention John. The pipeline is for EXPORT only to other nations via the gulf port.
    IT IS NOT FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS. It is for the BIG OIL COMPANIES ONLY.
    WE’LL NEVER SEE A DROP OF IT AND THE oil companies WILL GET RICHER at OUR EXPENSE!!!!

    • rendarsmith

      Are you sure? How do you know this?

      • Dave

        Rendarsmith,

        http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/22/news/economy/keystone-pipeline/index.htm

        This oil is Canadian and is being sent to TX for refinment then goes to the oil market to the highest bidder. I will give you a hint who that is… Its not the United States. We the people get the risk, The oil industry makes the money and the Canadians get most of the permanent jobs.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        We’ve talked about this more than once on other threads and ronoco speaks truth, rendar. Do you have a memory problem that causes you to “forget” what you don’t want to hear (even if true) and remember only what you want to hear (even if false)?

  • speedle24

    Robert Redford is nothing more than a self absorbed Hollywood boor looking for something to assuage his fevered conscience for having accumulated 170 million (at the expense of the American taxpayer of course). Worse, he has no idea what he is talking about. My personal opinion is all those folks of his ilk are suffering from bad sugar trips from the 60’s and 70’s.

    • Karolyn

      Conservatives are always talking about liberals being jealous. His money was made as honestly as anyone else’s. Why should he feel guilty about making good choices in his life?

      • speedle24

        First Karolyn, I didn’t say anything about Redford being “jealous”. I said and I maintain he is a snooty boor who has no problem imposing his version of life on taxpaying Americans who disagree with his ideas. It is the hallmark of the modern liberal (Statist,).

        I don’t think he should “feel guilty” about being rich. He, and all the rich Hollywood types create their own personal guilt trips. They see squalor and poverty in the world while they are vacationing on their yachts and throwing mega Hollywood parties, and they get conscience pangs. Instead of taking the majority of their net worth and throwing it at these impoverished people, they lobby to donate everyone else’s hard earned money instead. It’s not complicated, but it is almost always the case with these clowns (Redford, Penn, Clooney, Baldwin, Maher, Damon, Dicaprio, Affleck, Streisand, …awe the list seems endless.

        • Karolyn

          I didn’t say HE was jealous. You were the one who said he was assuaging his conscience; hence my saying he shouldn’t feel guilty. You have no idea how much he gives to charity. Just because somebody is an actor and is rich doesn’t mean he has no credibility.

          • speedle24

            Your words, “Conservatives are always talking about liberals being jealous”. There is no question he is a liberal, so……

            You are right. I don’t know how much he gives to charity, but I suspect it is about the same percentage as Obama and his pet monkey Biden give to charity. In any case, the point is it is not the amount they give to their favorite charity, it is the amount they want the government to force the rest of us (at the point of guns) to give to their favorite charity. Capiche?

          • Karolyn

            No, I don’t capiche. What do “they” want the government to force the rest of us to give to?

          • speedle24

            Come on now. Okay, let’s take Redford specifically. He wants to do away with all fossil fuels and invest billions in “alternative” energy. That means he wants the government to “invest” in multiples of “Solaraish” type boondoggles at the taxpayers expense. In order to do this the government has to raise taxes to pay for it (or even worse print some money). If I decide I don’t like Redford’s idea of “alternative” energy, and I thereby refuse to pay any further taxes, guess what happens? You guessed it. People with guns come and take me away to federal prison. I know you get it now.

          • Dave

            So billions in Oil subsidies is ok with you Speedle? I would rather have money go to making alternative energy cheaper and thus more competitive in the marketplace than to keeping the rich, richer (in this case oil) You pay taxes to be a part of this society and your money goes to all the things you like and don’t like. Get over it. If you don’t want any taxes, try Somalia on for size.

          • speedle

            “Oil subsidies”? There are no oil subsidies, only depletion allowances. there is nothing speculative about those, unlike pissing billions of tax dollars away on companies that have never produced a kilowatt of energy. And which rich are you talking about, Al GORE? Why don’t you try Somalia? Its culture fits nicely with your mentality. I would bet without knowing that I pay more taxes than you (which is probably zip).

  • Dick

    Been reported on news other than Fox

  • Karolyn
  • Terry

    It is in the national interest of the United States for the Keystone Pipeline to be
    built:
    1. It costs the United States nothing.
    2. It creates a lot of good paying jobs with benefits.
    3. It improves the oil and gas pipeline infrastructure in the U.S.
    4.It provides a plentiful supply of sour crude oil for which we have
    refineries that are able to produce into gas,jet fuel, diesel, etc.
    5.It will reduce our imports of oil from countries that don’t like us
    very much, enhancing our national security.
    6.If the Keystone Pipeline is not built, an alternative pipeline to the pacific
    ocean will be built for export of crude oil to countries that don’t like us
    very much, reducing our national security.

    Non-construction of the Keystone Pipeline will not prevent the heavy tar
    sands of Canada from being used to produce oil. There is no environmental
    benefit to non-construction of the Keystone Pipeline. There is no reason not
    to build the Keystone Pipeline. There is no reason to vote for a Democratic
    presidential candidate in 2016 if the current Democratic president kills
    the Keystone Pipeline.

    • Karolyn

      Please see the link I posted to refute what you said. For one thing, all those jobs will only be short-term.

      • Terry

        There is no refuting what I said. If you say the canadian crude is
        only for export from the gulf coast to europe/asia/latin america
        you are wrong. If the US wants canadian crude, canada will sell
        it to us and can sell it to us through key connections to existing
        US oil and gas gathering and pipeline systems the Keystone
        Pipeline will make. Thousands of 5 year temporary jobs are
        better than 0 temporary jobs. And there will be some permanent
        jobs after the pipeline is built (And it will be built). Put people
        first. The American people who will find good work with good
        benefits building the pipeline. The American people who will
        refine canadian crude into gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel if the
        U.S. decides to import canadian crude instead of West African
        and Venezualan crude.The American people who will find work
        operating the export facilities and pipelines to export the
        canadian crude to other countries. Put American people first
        instead of fancied unrealistic environmental issues.

        • Karolyn

          Did you even read the Fox article? I think not. “fancied unrealistic issues?” Tell that to the people who have been harmed by oil spills and will be harmed by oil spills, as well as the wildlife and land that will be spoiled.

          • Terry

            Did you even read John Myers’ article about the Keystone

            Pipeline? Billions more people benefit from the exploration,

            production, transmission, and use of crude oil and natural

            gas than the measly few who claim to be harmed by oil spills.

            More wildlife (birds) are killed by windmills than by oil spills.

            You need to put people first before wildlife anyway.

            “Ye are of more value than many sparrows”.

  • Karolyn

    Fox News contributor on why the Keystone pipeline is a bad idea. Since it’s from Fox, maybe some conservatives will listen.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/18/six-reasons-keystone-xl-was-bad-deal-all-along/

  • Eagle525

    Without oil America stops. Think about that for just one moment and tell me why a sensible approach to drilling , having keystone and developing alternative energy sources is unrealistic.

    Robert Redford certainly is entitled to opinions as we all are. However, Redford being a Hollywood celebrity has a much bigger voice and he certainly does not have to concern himself with high priced energy. The problem is with Redford’s one sided agenda.

    What may be good in his eyes certainly is not the case for we,the average folks, that need oil just go earn our daily bread and heat our houses. Put millions of dollars in my bank account and I will be happy to jump on the Redford bandwagon and tell you what you should be doing as Redford does. put redford back in the streets with the rest of us and he will sing a different tune.

    It must be great to be a wealthy movie star with lots of time on your hands.

    • Deerinwater

      Well Eagle 525, ~ I am not one to tell another man how to spent his time or money. If Robert wants to be an advocate for mother nature ~ more power to him. I don’t have the time or resources to be so Proactive. Mr. Redford is a “conservative” and has organized custodianship efforts to protect and preserve our National wildlife Heritage. He does not use just his money but I donate to his efforts along with thousands of other concerned Americans. There is nothing hypocritical about Mr. Redfords effort. ~ Such matters are his passion, he lives the life of a Rancher , breeding stock and custodian of the land.

      This Keystone is but one project. of great concern to natural conservatives. Major International players are wanting to mine copper in open pit mines in Canada as well. It’s estimated to be a 14 years productive dig with the information that they currently know, ~ If they hit a large gold vein ~ it could be longer, ~ they know there will be some gold uncovered in the process. ~~ This huge dig is to be located very close to the head waters where the world’s Sockeye Salmon come to breed and reproduce. ~~ conservatives are oppose to this project as well.

      How all this might all end, ~ who’s to say for sure. ~ But it’s good to know that we have people willing to defend, ~ not only our way of life ~ but all of Gods critters. What like of world would we leave out children otherwise?

      I saved this link for just such an occasion as this ~ It just another perspective on Canada’s Tar Sand. It’s for each of us to determine the merits of the argument .

      Opinion Tar Sand and
      Canada 3-2013

      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/opinion/the-tar-sands-disaster.html

  • Michael Shreve

    Our oil and gas pipelines are VERY safe, but NO system is fool proof. The two most important things to remember are that the U.S. MUST become energy independent, and the energy industry offers MANY high paying jobs. After all these years, we can PROVE that the energy industry is NOT any more environmentally unsound than the alternatives.

  • ChuckS123

    Does Redford drive a car or fly? He should travel everywhere by horse, bicycle, bus. or train. I think a bus or train would use less oil per passenger than a car.

  • Vash the Stampede

    I am for new jobs & energy resources. We need to address the concerns of the people that the pipeline will affect. They will be the ones who will lose in the end if they are just bulldozed over and forgotten. This tar sand oil is a lot thicker than regular crude. Thinners will have to be used to make it flow properly. Their was some speculation from a local source (pipeline workers). They stated the thicker tar sand may have caused the pipeline to burst because of over pressure plus a probable weak spot. Due to lack of inspections.

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  • Wellarmed

    I have more questions than answers regarding the Keystone/XL pipeline.

    #1, If the stated reserve is what Canada claims, then why is it they are not willing to develop their own refining capacity?

    #2, Why did the native tribes of Canada not approve the pipeline to cross their nations when they are in such dire financial straights?

    #3, Who will be responsible for the cleanup costs when the XL Pipeline breaks/malfunctions?

    #4 If the Oglalla aquifer is contaminated due to a break or malfunction of the Keystone/XL pipeline; then what affect will that have upon those who rely upon agriculture above the countries largest known fresh water reserve.

    #5 What is the permitted lifespan of the Keystone/XL pipeline, and where are the revenues created and set aside for its replacement at the end of its permit life?
    (Failure to take this into consideration will lead to San Bruno type events). It is mechanical and therefore has a finite life.

    #6 Why was the Hilary Clinton ran state department attempting to green light this project? And to which other legislators are their funding going to in exchange for said green light?

    #7, What is the annual energy requirements and emissions emitted by the implementation of the Keystone/XL pipeline, and who bears the brunt (which communities) of this technology? Tar sands must be heated along much of the pipelines length in order for this viscous crude to flow properly, and this requirement as well as the pumping energy will most likely not be performed through the use of renewable energy or the base stock consumption such as in natural gas transmission.

    Mr. Myers, if you could provide answers to these questions, I think it would help the public much more than simply lambasting Robert Redford. If there is a link you could provide that will answer these questions in detail then that would go a long way towards swaying my current position of not accepting this pipeline.

  • Peter Barney

    Who cares? What nationality these terrorist where they were terrorist, and the United States will not tolerate it!

  • Peter Barney

    Impeach Obama!

  • R.F.

    Just for the information of readers here there is already plenty of pipeline capacity between Canada and the U.S. Canada already is the biggest supplier of oil to the U.S. and some of it goes directly to refineries on the Gulf of Mexico for export overseas. Yes, even though the U.S. thinks it needs more oil for domestic consumption you do actually export refined oil!And, by the way, the large oil corporations are making billions in profits and actually get tax breaks and subsidies from the federal government!

  • R.F.

    Canada is already the largest supplier of crude oil to the U.S. There is ample pipeline capacity and the U.S. is actually a net exporter of refined oil.