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Obama’s Budget-Busting Baloney

February 24, 2012 by  

Obama’s Budget-Busting Baloney

That wasn’t a budget Barack Obama delivered to Congress. It was a campaign document.

It was full of promises of “fairness,” which to our President and his cronies means taking more money from those who earn it and giving it to those whom they think deserve it. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” Karl Marx said it first.

Obama’s budget for the 2013 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1, calls for total Federal expenditures of $3.8 trillion. That’s a 0.2 percent increase in spending, but somehow the number crunchers claim it includes a ton of reductions.

Of course all those “savings” are just a mirage. You have to understand that in Washington, if you agree to slow the rate of growth of some bureaucracy, you can claim all sorts of credit for reducing the budget.

Funny, but somehow we taxpayers always end up paying more.

For the past four years, the Obama Administration has run a deficit of more than $1 trillion. That’s more than $4 trillion added to the deficit in just one term — something that has never happened before in our history.

But there’s good news for next year — that is, if you accept all of the rosy assumptions the Obama budget contains. If revenues don’t go any higher than projected and tax receipts rise as much as predicted, the deficit for Fiscal 2013 will be a mere $901 billion. Isn’t that wonderful?

Of course, the Obama budget calls for higher taxes on “the rich.” That’s any individual making more than $200,000 a year (or any family making more than $250,000). Obama says it’s not “fair” that multimillionaires like Mitt Romney pay only 15 percent in taxes. He conveniently ignores that businesses pay 35 percent of their profits in taxes.

But Obama and his supporters echo the old canard, “Don’t confuse me with facts, my mind’s already made up.” They want to raise the tax of dividend income for “the rich” to 39.6 percent.

Whenever our greedy, grasping government has tried to raise taxes this much, tax revenues have gone down. You don’t need a Ph.D. in economics to predict that it will happen again.

Two other proposals in the Obama budget are probably worth a mention. One is the demand that Congress not extend the Bush tax cuts, which are scheduled to expire at the end of this year. The November elections will decide what happens here. If Republicans gain control of the Senate and the White House, they are almost sure to be renewed. If not, color them gone. This would be a win-win for the Democrats, who would get a tax increase without actually having to vote for one.

The other proposal in the Obama budget getting a lot of publicity is the much ballyhooed “Buffett Rule.” This would require that anyone earning more than $1 million a year, regardless of the source of the money or the amount of deductions he is entitled to, pay a minimum effective tax rate of 30 percent.

If the Buffett Rule had been in effect last year, Romney’s tax burden would have doubled. So would Warren Buffett’s, I assume. But in Buffett’s case, so what? Consider how much money he’s already made from government intervention in the marketplace, another $7 million in taxes would seem like a very cheap price to pay.

Remember Buffett’s investment in Goldman Sachs? His holding company, Berkshire Hathaway, has already pocketed about $1 billion from that one deal. And it was all made possible thanks to a government-financed bailout. Not exactly free enterprise at work.

Interestingly enough, it looks as though Buffett’s next acquisition may also be found dining at the government trough. Here are three companies he expressed an interest in last year:

  • Energy producer Exelon Corp., which has numerous ties to the Obama Administration.
  • General Dynamics Corp., which is the world’s fifth-largest defense company, thanks almost entirely to its deals with Uncle Sam.
  • Archer Daniel Midland Co., the giant agriculture concern, which profits enormously from government subsidies for ethanol, corn syrup and many of its exports.

Take away the sweetheart deals all of these companies have with Uncle Sam, and their stock prices would collapse overnight. They would disappear from Buffett’s buy list in the blink of an eye.

Those are some of the things that are wrong with the budget Obama submitted. Can I say anything good about it?

Yes. There isn’t a hope in Hades that it will be approved.

Last year, when the Senate finally agreed to vote on Obama’s budget for fiscal year 2012, not a single Senator voted in favor of it. The $1.3 trillion measure was rejected 0-97. This year’s campaign document — I mean budget — won’t fare much better.

If the Senate won’t pass Obama’s budget, what are the chances they will come up with one of their own? After all, they’re required by law to do so, aren’t they?

Well, the Senate hasn’t passed a budget resolution for the past three years. Why should this year be any different? After all, if the Senate actually puts something down in writing, the Senators will have to defend it in the fall elections. Who can blame them for wanting to avoid that?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said last year, “It would be foolish for us to do a budget at this stage.” We’ll soon find out if he feels any differently this year.

It seems like the plan continues to be “spend and spend, tax and tax, elect and elect.” That’s been the strategy of the big spenders in Washington since it was first enunciated by Harry Hopkins, back in the early days of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s reign. I’m sure Obama sees no reason to change it now.

If we can’t change the plan, then we’ve got to change the planners.  What are you doing to make that happen?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Are we talking about the same Anointed Liar who waited for OVER 3 years to submit a budget? I do have to agree with you, Chip. A so-called ‘leader’ who waits that long for a budget to be “important” is a) anything but a leader and b) has made America suffer even more than FDR for over 3 years and c) might make a great W H tour guide but has no more business being in the W H than I have performing brain surgery.
    While there may be a handful of braindead utopians who will take the time to put together a master list of what Obummer has really done, I’ll be amazed if the hype side of that list isn’t 10 times longer than the reality side. Utopians, a promise is NOT the truth. A promise in Washington is a third-rate LIE, and it main users are people America can’t afford to have within 1,000 miles of Washington.
    I never thought I’d prefer Al Capone over what we have now, but I admit it. Al, where are you? Your experience in BUSINESS is head-and-shoulders over and above the Anointed Liar’s ability to get anything done in business. If anyone can get their hands on a transcript, see if The Anointed Liar took even one course in business or economics at Haavid. Or in Shecawger. Or through the mail.
    Some people think community organizing is equal to business experience. That’s like saying that wishin’ and a hopin’ are the same as RESULTS. That may be ‘reality’ in a utopian’s world, but only children and self-deluded losers keep themselves wrapped in that damned blanket.
    America is at stake. This is NOT simply ‘Republicans’ versus ‘Democrats.’
    This is right versus wrong. This is freedom versus slavery. This is our LAST chance to put America back on its freedom-based, constitutional moorings. Do you social engineers REALLY think slavery is just another form of freedom? Do you have the GUTS to take a hard look at yourself AND the current W H yahoo and see what you need to see?

    • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

      Al Capone?? You can add Lucky, Dillinger, Kelly and Bugsy to that list and they look like grade school bullies compared to Godfather Goldman, Underboss Obama and Lt. Buffet.
      “Michael, we’re bigger than U.S. steel”. ~Hyman Roth

      • FreedomFighter

        About the plus millionaire tax:

        Ask youself:

        If you had millions in income, what is stopping you from moving from 30% mandatory USA tax to say 15% or 20% rate in a differant country?

        Answer: Nothing

        If you are a corporation making billions and the USA makes it unfavorable to operate in the USA thru EPA regulation, taxation, fees, high wage Unions requirements both local and federal, What is stopping you from setting up in say … china?

        Answer: Nothing

        If you are a church, religious institute, doctor, nurse, insurance company and Obama Care makes it impossible to make a profit, or say do your job and respect your religion, what do you do?

        I say again:

        The most important task for the American People in 200 years is to remove Barry Obama from office.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • JUKEBOX

        At least we knew what Capone, etc. were. Obama duplicitly claims to be one thing and acts out the opposite.

    • Sirian

      No s c, social engineers will never look at themselves or question what they feel is right. Especially since their grand leader is directing them in many unknown persuasive ways. It may be standing right in front of them but they will never see it.

    • Paku

      Sounds to me like you need brain surgery!!!

      • Average Joe

        Sounds to me like Paku needs a brain ( you need that in order to have brain surgery)….just sayin’……….

        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
        Robert A. Heinlein

    • Warrior

      Ya know, Chicago and IL in general have just taken a terrible turn for the worse since oblama went to Washington. I can tell you from first hand experience that we miss his leadership and for all he accomplished to improve our lives.

      Please come back in January 2013, we need you more than the country does! Oh, and please make sure that Valerie comes back as well.

      Amen.

    • alice Mcclendon

      The United States is so full of hate, we will never move forward, no matter what the Preident does he will always be shot down, has nothing to do with Democrat , it’s a Black, White thing, and yes Slavery is still the issue, shame on all U people, and Rick Santorian should be ashamed of himself trying to force people to live spritually the way he does, how bias could U be, I’m scared of him

      • NN

        C’mon this president was selected because of the race. He would never made it being a white guy. And he just proves that he is not competent to hold the office. I whould also mention how arrogant, self-absorbed and decadant he is (all these parties and endless golf games and his wifes super-expensive trips). No wonder people don’t like him! And, by the way, if you want to claim somebody rasist – check on Obama’s buddy Eric Holder first.

        • Big Red

          Sorry to break your bubble but the whole issue is not race but socialism vs capitalism. The only party that plays the race card is democrats. The reason they need the race card is because they can’t run on the issues. They can’t defend their policies and how successful they are.

      • Betty Bacon

        Thank you Alice.Where were all these people when G.W. Bush was in office. Robbing my 401 K! 8 years of no child left behine! Yeah right. Here we are cutting teachers, Two wars. What happened to the weapons of mast destruction! Oh right. He lied .How sad we are still a racist county!

        • Big Red

          How did Bush rob your 401k?
          Do you remember the year 2000 in July when the market started to drop while Clinton was in office? Do you remember the market a little later went up to almost 14000? Do you remember the unemployment at under 5% during most of Bush’s term? Do you remember unemployment started to go up after the 2006 election when the Democrats took control of congress? Do you remember that most of the world believed that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction including the Clinton’s and all the Democratic Party? Do you remember that it was from the Clinton watch that provided the info to believe that there was a threat of weapons of mass destruction? So it must have been the Clinton’s that lied? It’s a shame that President Bush fell for the lie that the President Clinton gave to Bush.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        A M If you would like to be introduced to raceism just read Obummers books ,,That idiot is more racist than any who voted against him. And all his worshipers are typical libtards, just cant see it that way. Read The dreams from my father and audacity of hope for starters.. It does not take long to see who his lib followers are by the comments posted…..

      • Wyatt

        Alice , this Politically Correct BS only goes so far . Obama is a total waste as a president and it is clear that he has no regard for the American People or Country . His campaign slogan of hope and change was a canard to cover his goal of changing America from a Republic under a Democratic for of government to that of a Communist Dictatorship with himself as the new Idi Obama , president and DICTATOR for Life .
        You say you are scared of Rick Santorum , why ? Because of his religious convictions ? I would be more afraid of Obama for his total lack of them . His total disregard of our Constitution and ignoring the long held concept of ‘ seperation of church and state . Add to that the fact that he is an illegally elected president according to the Constitution (both parents must be citizens) and his constant attacks by himself , his cabinet and his lackeys on said Constitution show exactly what his agenda is . Already he has supported and waged class warfare on the American People , eroded our World credit rating , squandered taxpayer funds with ill advised loans and investments in green technology and driven our cost of living index up along with fuel costs . Had ANY white president done this the hue and cry would be outrageous .
        No Alice , it is not his race or lack of one , it is his being totally unfit and unqualified to be a president of anything . I know it , Americans know it , even he knows it . And I suspect perhaps even you know it , just don’t want to admit it .

      • Dark_Archer

        alice, what the US is truly full of are ,stupid voters such as yourself who cant see this traitor muslim commie obama for what he is, its not a black /white thing , you socialist commies use the race card at every turn , its an American /commie thing, the communist democrat party ,socialist democrat party , islamist and a host of other un American people are all aligned with the democrats , so what do you expect us to think , your all in this together …today no matter what color you are if your a democrat…. YOU ARE AMERICAS ENEMY!!!!!! ….YOU ARE MY ENEMY !!!!!!!!

      • Dark_Archer

        watch these two videos , this man is a constitutional scholar and he is telling us obama is not eligible to be president of this country according to our Constitution, no other constitutional scholar has come forth to deny these facts , no one in our govt is doing anything about it , obama is a fraud and a traitor to our republic our laws and constitution, what do we do ? do we have to start a civil war to rid our govt of this usurper ? our congress and senate do nothing , they are cowards , they are afraid of a black uprising worse than the LA riots if we kick the first black president out of office and imprison him or worse hang him for high treason, but what about a patriot uprising !!!!! do they not fear us, this man is destroying our nation , he is dividing us using class warfare to keep the sheepels minds off the real problem… our govt has been hijacked by the communist democrat party and their con man obama , and he has pulled the biggest hoax in the history of our republic on ”WE THE PEOPLE” , we have been deceived by this fraud obama and we need to do something about it befor he destroys this country…. pass this on if your a patriot …delete it if you’re not or you just dont care about whats happening to our America…. but make no mistake, we are in a constitutional crises in America today that would make Watergate look petty in comparison

        The evaluation of the meaning of “natural born citizen” in the Constitution comes from Dr. Herbert W. Titus, of counsel to the law firm William J. Olson.
        He previously taught constitutional law, common law and other subjects for 30 years at five different American Bar Association-approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993 he was the founding dean of the College of Law and Government at Regent University.
        And before that, he was a trial attorney and special assistant U.S. attorney with the Department of Justice.
        His degrees are from Harvard and the University of Oregon, and he’s admitted to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court, appellate courts in the 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th and other districts. His practice has taken him into courts in more than a dozen different states.
        His perspective:
        part 1 & 2

        part1

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PqeV0ZlZ1Cw

        part 2
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoaZ8WextxQ&feature=player_detailpage

      • carrobin

        Can’t help but go along with Alice here. Obama wasn’t elected because he was (half) black, but because only a confused minority wanted the alternative (McCain/Palin, for those who forget–and if they’d been elected, we’d have 50% unemployment and the corporations would rule even more than they do now). Obama hasn’t been a perfect president but he’s done some good things (among which I place Obamacare at the top of the list), Santorum is scary, a religious fanatic who takes the side of rapists rather than the side of women who need healthcare. I’m sure Jesus loves him, but He would never vote for him.

      • vicki

        Betty Bacon says on February 24, 2012 at 10:08 am

        Thank you Alice.Where were all these people when G.W. Bush was in office. Robbing my 401 K!

        Betty Bacon says on February 24, 2012 at 10:28 am

        Where the hell was the public outcry when G. W. and wall street was robbing me blind in my 401 k.

        Hoping to repeat a lie often enough and people will believe you?

        I have a 401K and it did just fine under G.W. Bush’s administration. No evidence of robbery there anywhere.

        Interestingly the OBAMA administration is planning on forcing you to buy US Government bonds. Got any outrage left for Obama? Or is it ok cause Obama’s people are holding the guns?

        http://moneymorning.com/2010/01/27/retirement-plans/

      • vicki
      • http://yahoo ted

        alice rick is not trying to covert you, hes trying to stop obama from shoving his beliefs on everyone. the real demon is obama. i have never seen anyone in my life say or do the wrong thing everyday since he was elected. rick is a good man and there is know reason to fear him.

      • Old Henry

        Dark_Archer:

        Thank you for the links. I watched them and passed them on to many.

        You are spot on – we are, and have been – in a constitutional crisis.

      • JUKEBOX

        How can any fool claim racism, when the immaculate one is as white as he is black. He is the racist, when he claims to be “BLACK”.

      • http://aol.com john stanek

        What every-one has fotgotten is ,he was not lected for what he believes but what the american public tax payer that pay his salary want. So get off the race card, because you may just get what your asking for . people today are fed up with these comments.

    • Roy Major

      I just read about the “oilogarchy” that plans to buy the presidency for a false conservative that they care nothing about. They just don’t want the pres. to take away their subsidy AND obscene profits.

      • Betty Bacon

        That’s right only the rich can buy there way into office.And we go for it everytime. So our next President is going to be Rommey. The BILLONAIRE! Who’s father is also a Billonaire. Want to be President. Hope you have a rich uncle!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Betty Bacon, your envy is rearing it’s ugly head.

  • Vicki

    The OP writes:

    If the Senate won’t pass Obama’s budget, what are the chances they will come up with one of their own? After all, they’re required by law to do so, aren’t they?

    I thought the House was the one to actually write the budget. The Senate only agrees or not and then conference committee or some such. Even Obama can only propose a budget. Not actually write one.

    • Andrew1554

      Last year the Republican House passed some twenty cost cutting bills and a budget, the Democrat Senate failed to do their job and even bring them up for debate.

      • Paku

        That is because either they were useless bills or they wanted to tack on something that had nothing to do with the bill. The republians today are out of touch with America and they do not care if they have to throw Grandma or Grandpa under the bus. They created this mess and now they try and spin all the blame on the current administration. As long as they protect the Oil empire or the World Global Corporations regardless of how many Americans have to suffer. No you can try and spin this to make your party look favorable but we the American people no better. Where were they for the jobs bill. They said no, but boy but and oil line in regardless of the environmental impact, they said yes. No it is time to take back America for the 99% of Americans.

      • DaveH

        Any examples, Paku?

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Uh the democrats werer in control of the house and senate for the first two years of the idiot in office

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Paku you are putting so much spin on things its suprising you are not too dizzy to type. The democrats had total control for two years and things only got worse.

      • Betty Bacon

        Nobody in congress is doing there job.They should be concerned for all AMERICANS(.RICH, POOR, and the middle class) Guess what, The rich Can afford to pay there fair share.

        • Homer Ferguson

          My congratulations, Betty, on the clarity with which you see though the propaganda purchased by SUPERPACs and the greedy wealthy (not all the wealthy are greedy, of course; there are the Warren Buffets in our society who care about our Constitutional principle and about the well-being of the vast majority of us) seeking to establish a permanent aristocracy in the form of a corporatocracy in this country.

          Please understand that our elected officials are under the gun almost every day NOT to communicate with their Constitutional constituents (those in their states and districts) like you and me, even though, under our Constitution, they are elected to act on policies devised to lift up the hard-working, underpaid wage earner. Rather, they are constantly under duress to submit their services to the wealthiest people in the history of mankind. If such elected officials fail those with the money, influence, and power,not only will they be denied the funding provided by this élite, but they will also find that this élite has found someone else to oppose them in the next election.

          The problem with a libertarian like Ron Paul is that he would do nothing to arrest the laissez faire abuses possible in an environment that does nothing to protect the consumer or the wage-earner from the piling on by the corporatist aristocracy. With no entity to take our side, this aristocracy will take deep root, and we will know what it is like to live as do people in third-world countries.

      • Jeep

        Homer, your lack of understanding towards Constitutional principles is astounding! Please, enlighten the unwashed masses and show me were the Constitution promises “policies devised to lift up the hard-working, underpaid wage earner?” Exactly where is that in the Constitution?

        Ohhh…you must be confused with the Communist Manifesto!

      • Vicki

        Paku says:

        That is because either they were useless bills or they wanted to tack on something that had nothing to do with the bill.

        Then I am sure you complained to your congressmen daily about obamacare and NDAA 2012 (Just to mention a few)

        And if you REALLY object to bills with extras then go to https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/one-subject/ and send email daily telling them to sponsor “One Subject at a Time act”

    • DocVenture

      I might also add that the Democratically controlled House should propose the budget, after all that is where they start. However, this particular democratically controlled House apparently sees no need for any type of budget. I would guess that is because they refuse to be constrained to live within one. Sound familiar? It should…there was a movie some time back (in the 1970′s) called “King of Hearts” about the inmates who ran the asylum. I believe it’s also called the House of Representatives.

      • Vigilant

        Uh, the House is controlled by the Republicans.

      • stopspending4

        Dems control the Senate and pres, Repubs control the house. That is why others have pointed out that the House has submitted budgets and cost cutting bills and the Senate will not even bring it up for discussion. King Harry is afraid if it is brought for discussion, either it will be approved or the Dems will look bad voting it down. They might have to explain to their loyal followers why they can not accept a budget or the other bills. Has nothing to do with whether the bills are lame. If they think they are lame, they bring them up, make changes and pass a new budget or bill. Dems won’t do that.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com poorgrandchildren.com

    “Miss me yet?”–King George, III

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com poorgrandchildren.com

    Taxes are not the problem; the problem is spending.
    Wasteful spending is not the problem; the problem is illegal (unconstitutional) spending.

    The Constitution does not authorize our DC employees to fund illegal (unconstitutional) programs.

    • DaveH

      There’s a slight problem with your website, Durham.
      Neither Ayn Rand, nor Thomas Sowell, nor Neal Boortz are Libertarian (Neal has claimed to be, but he isn’t).
      If you want to understand Libertarian thinking you need to read Murray Rothbard’s writings. Start here:
      http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf

  • andrew1554

    Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

  • DocVenture

    I don’t understand all the consternation….it was the best budget a community organizer ever put forth!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    It is time to consider getting the hell out of Dodge. If you are not, you should be. i know I am, as 1.6 million of our fellow citizens did in 2011. if either Obama or Romney is elected, the economic decline will continue, as will the disappearance of our liberty.

    • Vigilant

      Cap, I can’t say that I’m enthusiastic about that comment.

      If the Founders had left the country, we would never have had the birth of the Great Experiment. Instead, they pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to the cause.

      Remember, rats always leave the sinking ship first.

      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        I can’t really blame him for that statement. Unfortunately, there will always be those who will leave conflict for greener pastures, let others do the dirty, then when the smore clears, come back and celebrate. I won’t be one of them.

    • Average Joe

      Capitalist at Birth,

      Please be advised…Delta is ready when you are…….

      “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
      the tranquility of servitude
      better than the animating contest of freedom,
      go home from us in peace.
      We ask not your counsels or your arms.
      Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
      May your chains set lightly upon you,
      and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
      Samuel Adams

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Capitalist at Birth,

      You rightly comment: “if either Obama or Romney is elected, the economic decline will continue, as will the disappearance of our liberty.” I agree with this statement. Yet you constantly disrespect Ron Paul, who is the only candidate to have predicted the economic decline long before it started and has put forth a plan to end it. Please explain your reasoning.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JUKEBOX

        Obama said he already knew what the Republican 3 point energy plan was, but he missed the mark. Here is the real plan:
        1. Obama resigns immediately.
        2. Approve the Keystone Pipeline.
        3. DRILL, DRILL, DRILL.

      • Vigilant

        And the rest of us have a two point plan if Obama’s re-elected, to whit:

        1. Bend Over
        2. Kiss your backside goodbye

      • nc

        Mr. Livingston, you predict disaster by the election of the more liberal than you President Obama. There is a long line of folks on the right that have been predicting such since 1932. “Democrats are socialist who cannot run the free market society and electing one will ruin the nation” goes the old conservative lie for 80 years! We kept electing those “socialist” and guess what has happened? We wound up the number one nation in the world? How in H*ll did that happen? It happened because we have kept Ron Paul fiscal policies out of the White House and have come back from the economic policies of Hoover, Nixon and Bush II. This is a great big country and getting bigger everyday and “thinking small” will only keep us from answering the problems of “getting bigger population wise everyday’! How many rich people would be “less than rich” after they paid the proposed Federal income tax increase on them????? Do you know of anyone who has ever starved to death in this country from paying federal income tax??

        BTW, is there a method whereby a person can enter a post here in such a manner that there can be no “reply” to it? Or is it determined by the site managers as to when “replys” are ended? Just asking!

      • DaveH

        This country became the wealthiest in the world, NC, because our founders formed the most Freedom-oriented society in the history of the world. It takes time to deplete that wealth. Our wealth has persisted despite Socialist encroachment on our Freedom, but we are already starting to lose our wealth. See this chart:
        http://www.davemanuel.com/median-household-income.php
        As you can see, the median household income has been dropping since 1999 (adjusted for inflation). And that is probably a rosy picture, since the actual inflation rate is most likely much higher than the Government’s purposely artificially low figures.
        When I was a young man, my wife and I were able to buy an 1800 square foot home in a nice neighborhood for less than 2 times our annual family income, with me being a recent new hire. We were making $17,000/yr and our home cost $27000. Try to do that now, even with the collapse in the housing market.

      • DaveH

        And I’ve posted this link many times, NC. Obviously you have never bothered to study it:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking
        It clearly proves that the countries with the Biggest Governments have the Poorest Economies. Note that we are now ranked 10th in the world. Even Chile, once a backward third-world country, is now Freer than we are.
        Especially note those countries at the bottom of the list, those with the Biggest Governments who also have the worst economies in the world. That’s not coincidence.
        With Socialism only the Leaders and their Pals prosper. The rest of us lose, especially those with no real skills. When the country’s economy inevitably collapses under Socialism, and their votes are no longer needed, those with no real skills are inevitably thrown under the bus.

      • Vigilant

        n c, your grasp of history is abysmally poor. The inordinate social spending and policies by both Nixon and Bush II were definitely NOT based on the fiscally responsible principles of Ron Paul, nor were those presidents true Conservatives by any stretch of the imagination..

      • DaveH

        A couple of weeks ago, a Liberal thought he was pretty clever pointing out that Hong Kong had an 18% poverty rate. So I looked up the facts and found that they did indeed, but their poverty rate is defined at one half of their median household income.
        What is their median household income?
        For Hong Kong, It was $31,000 on a Purchasing Power Parity basis in 2005.
        So, their household income (family of 3 on a PPP basis) at the poverty level was $15,500.
        Let’s compare that to Cuba, a Socialist Paradise right off our shores:
        The median household income (family of 3 on a PPP basis) in Cuba in 2005 was $9000. So the average family (not just the poor) in Cuba lives on less than 5/8 of the income that the “poor” families in Hong Kong live on.
        Why would anybody in their right minds strive for Socialism?

  • Joe Mazz

    Once these vermin get in office it is almost impossible to get them out. We have to start pushing for term limits and when you want to run for a different office you give up the one your in. Look anyone today with a pay of $175,000.00 a year plus great benefits does not want to lose that job and will promise anything to anyone to keep it. How about they all become part time employees and no more benefits once out of office think of the savings.
    We have to get as loud as the opposition or we are doomed. The people who are living on Gov. hand outs out number the producers so this is not going to be easy but if not done now it may never be possible.

  • Homer Ferguson

    No, revenues do not go down when taxes on the wealthiest people in any society goes up. During the Eisenhower, the top tax bracket on taxable income varied from 90-92% , and yet the middle class grew while wealth increased for what was then a person at the top: the millionnaire.

    The truth is that classical conservatism has always defended only domination by an aristocracy in a society structured so that wealth, power, and resources flowed up–not down.

    This is what is happening in the US today. The Constitution as I understand it is supposed to undergird a society in which elected officials represent only their constituents. Not today. Especially true for the GOP, elected officials represent those who “contribute” most to their campaigns. Since these “contributors” seldom reside in the district or state of the official, the favors they buy are unconstitutional. Indeed, many people who “serve” on the incestuous boards of directors of trans-global corporations are not even American citizens.

    Aristocracy is privilege. It eschews truth. It lacks compassion. Its sole purpose is to perpetuate itself.

    Why would any patriotic American defend our aristocracy–a coporatocray–from the American people?

    • 101stRECON68

      Homer, as I have stated before on this site, our problems have gone far beyond whether it’s the fault of republicans or democrats. Both are equally to blame for our current situation. Term limits would be outstanding and I think would definately follow the ideas of our founding fathers. But how can they be implemented? Government has gotten so out of control and so montrously huge, how can a mob of opposing political people focus enough to get anything done about it? Those in power love to keep us at each others throats so we can never organize against them, but so many can’t see past their PARTY nose to grasp this. I hope for but do not see a pleasant end to all of this and truly feel we are in for a terrible and deadly journey ahead. “By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail”
      B. Franklin

    • Vigilant

      Homer shows his leftist programming when he says, “The truth is that classical conservatism has always defended only domination by an aristocracy in a society structured so that wealth, power, and resources flowed up–not down.”

      Obviously, an adherent to the communist Howard Zinn’s warped view of history. And blinded to the facts as well.

      Today’s Conservative wants to reduce the reach of government into our affairs, to get out of the way of the wealth- and job producers in this country, and fosters the notion of individual freedom.

      Conservatism seeks a return to the respect for the founding principles of the Constitution as the Law of the Land, unlike Progressivism that seeks to bypass and stymie the Constitution through activist judges, executive orders, unaccountable Czars and regulatory agencies.

      True Conservatives want fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets, and understand that SPENDING REDUCTIONS, NOT CONFISCATORY TAXATION, are the key to jump starting a faltering economy.

      It has not been Conservative but Progressive measures that have facilitated the strangulation of free enterprise, regulated and taxed the business entity into leaving the country and made it almost impossible for small businesses to start up.

      It has been the hand of Progressivism that has sought to enslave the people by creating perpetual dependencies through government largesse and unconstitutional wealth redistribution.

      You are obviously the product of public so-called “education.” Wake up, take off your blinders and smell the tea.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vigilant, wasn’t it the communist Howard Zinn’s revisionist history books that were discovered some time back being used as part of the history educational material in our school system? If memory serves me , I think you may have even been the one that originally posted that alert here at PLD a year or two ago.

      • Vigilant

        Jeff, I got onto the Howard Zinn kick after Eric Bischoff started quoting passages, etc., about a year ago. I was aware that the communists followers of Zinn were placing his scurrilous and totally biased works in schools, but I don’t know if I mentioned it at the time.

        The movement continues (from Wikipedia):

        “In 2008, the Zinn Education Project was launched to support educators using A People’s History of the United States as a source for middle and high school history. The Project was started when a former student of Zinn, who wanted to bring Zinn’s lessons to students around the country, provided the financial backing to allow two other organizations to coordinate the Project. The Project hosts a website that has over 85 free downloadable lesson plans to complement A People’s History of the United States.”

        Is it any wonder we see so many programmed socialists coming out of the public schools?

    • Vigilant

      Then you have the gall to say, “Especially true for the GOP, elected officials represent those who “contribute” most to their campaigns.”

      Were you born yesterday?

      Did you miss the illegal bailout of GM, in which the unions were favored over the bondholders as payback for campaign contributions? If you want to talk about representing contributors, go to http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php to see who are the all-time high donors to political campaigns.

      Did you miss the packing of the NLRB to favor unions and illegally coerce the Boeing Corp. into abandoning the plant building in SC because it’s a right to work state?

      Were you out to lunch when high contributors were lavished with taxpayer dollars to perpetuate inefficient and unprofitable solar energy projects?

      The list could go on, but in your “true believer” mind, you will never admit that BOTH sides of the aisle have engaged in corporate cronyism.

    • DaveH

      Homer says “No, revenues do not go down when taxes on the wealthiest people in any society goes up. During the Eisenhower, the top tax bracket on taxable income varied from 90-92% , and yet the middle class grew while wealth increased for what was then a person at the top: the millionnaire”.
      What has a growing middle class (if it even did) have to do with demonstrating that higher taxes do not mean less revenue?
      Here is a time chart comparing income tax rates to individual tax receipts as a percentage of GDP:
      http://www.heritage.org/BudgetChartbook/income-tax-receipts

      Above all, it’s not the taxes — it’s the SPENDING that counts. Whether Government spends money based on current receipts or on borrowing, it still comes out of our pockets eventually.

      • Vigilant

        Excellent link, Dave. I was looking for just that type of chart, and I’m glad you found it.

    • Mike in PA

      “It is more likely that a camel pass thru the eye of a needle than that a rich man enter the Kingdom of Heaven” Jesus Christ.

      • Vigilant

        “It is more likely that a camel pass thru the eye of a needle than that a progressive enter the realm of common sense.”

        -Vigilant

    • Len M

      Well Said!

  • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    I wouldnt listen to that lying SOB.

    • Homer Ferguson

      Name-calling reflects not on the target but on the source. Argument grounded in reality and fact, on the other hand, cannot defend policies that strengthen the corporatocracy that now controls one party and is increasingly getting a grasp on the other.

      Why do conservatives believe that hateful character assassination is persuasive? We need jobs and policies that rebuild our country–not personal attacks. If you disagree, please say why.

      The American people need policies that rebuild our infrastructure, channel revenues now derived from speculation, hedging, etc., into investments that build demand. Until the American people see their wages go up and unemployment go down, they will continue to lack the purchasing power needed to attract ventures that create jobs. As jobs are created, purchasing power rises and more venture capital comes into the economy to create still more jobs.

      No aristocracy would want increased power from the lowest strata of the society, however, since such power challenges its own.

      • Ellen

        Homer, You are correct about jobs, purchasing power and venture capital. Are you aware that government spending wasn’t cut and consumer spending has gone back to pre-2008 levels, but our economy is still in trouble because venture capitalists are sitting on their money? Why? Because of Obama’s policies. There is uncertainty of Obamacare’s added costs and of Obama’s desired tax increases. Without their capital, our economy can’t begin real growth.

      • Vigilant

        Homer steps in it/on it again when he says, “No aristocracy would want increased power from the lowest strata of the society, however, since such power challenges its own.”

        You have perfectly described the Progressive/socialist mindset with that statement. When the left (Democrats) discovered that they could no longer keep African Americans in check by blocking voter rights legislation, they realized they could keep them in chains by making them dependent upon the government through wealth redistribution schemes.

        The success of that tack was so encouraging that they have now expanded it to about half of the population. Moreover, they are now willing to buy votes at the expense of national security by failing to secure the borders and offering amnesty to illegal aliens. As if that weren’t enough, they want to keep the unemployed on the dole and rob the social security fund (again) via payroll tax reductions. All the while stoking the fires of class warfare to attain their nefarious ends.

        The intent is clear: when the tipping point is reached (and it’s in sight), we will have a single party government into perpetuity. At that point, the cows will come home when the Federal debt cannot be paid, inflation runs wild and we will have a “Greek” situation. There’s a reservation for you in your local FEMA camp.. .

        Some great scenario, eh Mr. Alinsky?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vigilant…spot on target! :)

      • Vicki

        Homer writes:

        We need jobs and policies that rebuild our country

        Agreed. And the ONLY party who’s history and platform constantly backs policies that are Constitutional and follow the principles of individual freedom and individual responsibility is the Libertarian Party. When Government gets out of the way all your corporatocracys fall since they can only maintain their control of the consumer/worker thru the power of government regulations.

        Governments only job is to protect the people from force and fraud. The 2 actions that violate free will.

      • DaveH

        Right on, Vicki.

  • http://comcast Lee Bird -Veteran USMC

    No matter how you cut the mustard Obama will want higher taxes for everyone to keep the fire going for is for his so-called mission to destroy America and make each of us fall under Marxism and he being the dictator. ( KARL MARKS THEORY ——– YOU WILL BE REWARDS ON YOUR NEEDS AND NOT YOUR DEEDS !!!!! ) I hope everyone realizes the damages Obama has made to our Country and also he being our Commander in Chief is worthless.

    • Vicki

      Obama won’t want increased taxes on everyone. Watch for the loopholes for his cronies.
      Most of them will be in his “green” agenda. Solyandra is just one of the more embarrassing examples.

      • JUKEBOX

        The loopholes will also apply to the millionaire politicians including Obama.

      • Joe H

        JUKEBOX,
        don’t forget his buddies, THE UNIONS!!!!!

  • http://gravatar.com/acepilot101 acepilot101

    Karl Marx coined the phrase, “dictatorship of the proletariat” and Lenin refined this statement to say the party was the “vanguard of the proletariat”. The chairman of the central committee is the dictator of the party and nation in socialist countries.
    The key to understanding Obama’s Marxism is the statement Lenin made in 1924 when he called for socialists and Islamists to unite to “defeat western imperialism”.
    Socialists exploit democracy in order to abolish it.
    The so-called dictatorship of the proletariat is ruled by “democratic centralism”.
    The party leader rules between party congresses (delegates are hand-picked by the party) and this not only exposes the lie of “democratic socialism” but the origins of the cult of personality that gave rise to monsters like Stalin and Mao.

    • Mary Mohanan

      And MAO is the Clintons favorite hero. And Billary still has an awful lot of pull in Washington. She is as frightening as O. I hope she doesn’t run. If you’ve seen her lately, she looks just like MAO !!!!!!

      • JUKEBOX

        Yeah, she had on that green Mao jacket in the picture the other day.

    • COAL MINER

      acepilot101

      In Marxist socio-political thought, the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to a …. the “dictatorship of the proletariat”, and proposes pragmatic means of effecting it. … of the “trade-union consciousness” and so develop the “true revolutionary class …
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

      • COAL MINER

        acepilot101
        Another version:
        But it in no way means dictatorial rule over the vast majority of people. ….. It will remain true for the working class under the dictatorship of the proletariat and in …
        http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article921

      • Vigilant

        Yeah, right, we’ve seen how well that has worked in the USSR, China, N. Korea, Cuba, etc.

        Capitalism is batting 1000, Communism/socialism has struck out EVERY time at bat.

      • COAL MINER

        Vigilant:
        Christian in orgin:
        Communism as a theory of government and social reform may be said, in a limited period advocated forms of communism, just as had certain of the early Christians who actually sought to put their theories into practice on common land.
        http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0857487.html

      • COAL MINER

        Vigilant
        Also,
        While it is true that most modern forms of communism came from the …. Not only did the early Christians practice Communism, but Jesus Himself did so during …
        http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214×316428

        • Homer Ferguson

          I hope we are all sufficiently perceptive and informed here to know that the USSR never practiced communism. It used its ideals and ideology to establish an aristocracy for the nomenklatura. This élite consisted of almost one million people, all living high off the rest of the country.

          The ruling class claimed to be leading the country to rule by everyone–both agricultural and urban laborers, yet they never gave evidence of devising policies that would accomplish such a goal. Their real objective was simply to remain in their position of privilege, whatever their doing so might cost the country.

      • Vigilant

        COAL MINER,

        I couldn’t care less about the origins of communism, as if that has ANYTHING to do with your advocation of modern Marxism/Leninism. What is your point?

        Statism, and not the church, was responsible for the killing of tens of millions of people in the 20th century. Communism in all its forms (and I include the former Soviet Union) continues to foment trouble and continues to support the bad guys, i.e., statist regimes throughout the world.

        FYI, communism as a practical survival mechanism arose many centuries before Christianity.

        P.S. Learn how to copy and paste in some grammatically correct and clear form.

      • Vigilant

        Homer says, “I hope we are all sufficiently perceptive and informed here to know that the USSR never practiced communism. It used its ideals and ideology to establish an aristocracy for the nomenklatura. This élite consisted of almost one million people, all living high off the rest of the country.”

        I hope we are all sufficiently perceptive and informed here to know that EVERY nation that has ever called itself communist or socialist has either failed or is in the process of failing.

        I hope we are all sufficiently perceptive and informed here to know that EVERY nation that has ever consistently relied on Capitalism and democratic principles has raised its populace to levels of prosperity never achieved by any nation relying on socialistic principles.

        • Homer

          Unsubstantiated claims clearly contrary to fact are not helpful.

          Civil tones and words are. For that I commend you.

          Note that I did not limit my description of aristocratic privilege to communism. Unfettered, laissez-faire capitalism led us to near collapse in the early 20th century just as it is now.

          The most prosperous countries today (and I qualify the statement by including in prosperity an anti-aristrocratic framework in which policy provides for EVERY citizen, not just the privileged) are Japan, Germany, France, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc. With all its problems stemming from failure to deal with the international euro, the economy of the EU is larger than that of the US. China, with all its poverty and corruption, is rising at a rate at which it will soon surpass us–unless we restructure our economy so that we rebuild and modernize our creaking infrastructure, strengthen the anti-trust laws, break up companies “too big to fail” rather than indulge them in exchange for their favor$, force intense competition among companies seeking consumer dollars and not unproductive exchanges of paper, invest in an infrastructure that facilitates business production and trade at home, etc., etc.

          What makes capitalism work is intense competition and growing demand. Control of our economy and government by über corporations capable of dictating policy to our government and to us, and formulating policy that lowers the taxes of the wealthiest of the greedy while subsidizing them at the expense of the rest of us is corporatism–not capitalism as we were taught.

          It also helps to understand that capitalism is neither an ideology nor a religion. Yet, the corporatocracy has somehow convinced many angry white Americans that conservatism = aristocracy = capitalism = privilege for the wealthy and punishment for the poor. As an aside, do you think that conservatives are energized by the prospect of punishing the poor?

          I see little difference between the aristocracy in the USSR and the aristocracy now taking root in the US. The names have been changed to protect the mendacious.

          If it were true that a government dedicated to protecting the wealthy from the poor leads to more productivity by the privileged wealthy and more jobs among the lower classes, then Mexico, Nigeria, and countries of their ilk would be shining stars of conservative success. After, all, they follow the policies our privileged few guarantee us will lift us all to prosperity.

          We should know better. The Great Depression and its causes are an illustration of how little we Americans learn from recent history.

          Finally, why worry about our multimillionaires and billionaires? They can take care of themselves without our going further into debt for them. They do not create jobs; to the contrary, much of their success lies in cutting jobs and shipping others abroad. And what I want for our country is Americans caring for and supporting Americans.

  • http://gravatar.com/acepilot101 acepilot101

    The Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 shows the folly of leftists aligning with the Ayatollahs.
    Many of the leftists were arrested, tortured and killed.
    I was a college student at that time and knew many Iranians who left the USA after graduation and were never heard from again.
    Right now an Iranian pastor is under the sentence of death because he rejected Islam and became a Christian.

  • TIME

    Again you all are still doing the R v D dance.

    Will you all wake up, the US Inc is running as smooth as silk.
    When you do wake up and get it its more than likly going to be way to late your doing just what your told to do act like mindless sheep.

    You don’t have a Government, Your not Free, what you think is one thing is really a total 180* flip.
    We have a De Facto form of Government, or better said we have a Corporation and you are the product we are a “PEOPLE FARM.” Saddly most of you are little more than sheep.

    Who of you will wake up?

    • 101stRECON68

      Time, it is sad but I feel most will never get past the US vrs THEM mentality the elite continually fosters and promotes. There will NEVER I repeat NEVER be any worthwhile change in the government seated in Washington until the American people have had enough and start to act as a United force. As long as we find every excuse to hate each other, those above will control us like the peasants we act like. Instead of concentrating so deeply on our differences, we should be intently focusing on our common shared love of freedom and liberty as granted by the Constitution. Oh sorry, I said that DIRTY word again “Constitution” that Washingtonites hate so much.I don’t personally count on much chance of the people coming together on anything but I can always hope for the best and prepare for the worst right?

      • TIME

        101, My Brother, Look into Kurt’s new Youtube feed called, Season of Treason 3, its just super, Please share it with others who like you and I who are awake.

        We can still WIN. Thats the really GOOD NEWS.

        Peace & Love People.

  • http://gravatar.com/acepilot101 acepilot101

    The US has run a budget deficit of over $1 trillion since Obama was elected in 2008.
    The national debt is over $15 trillion.
    Pro-union policies and inflationary policies under both Republicans and Democrats has badly hurt the US economy.
    The liberal corporate banking elite (fascists) are using Obama to trample on the US Constitution and have manipulated socialists to believe that his globalist policies are progressive (they are not).
    China has made billions of dollars at the expense of American workers.

    • DaveH

      Why blame China for problems stemming from our own Politicians?

  • Big Red

    But Obama and his supporters echo the old canard, “Don’t confuse me with facts, my mind’s already made up.” They want to raise the tax of dividend income for “the rich” to 39.6 percent.
    Remember that also is your 401k as well. You don’t have to be rich to pay that 39.6%. You just have to have a 401k or any mutual funds.

    For the past four years, the Obama Administration has run a deficit of more than $1 trillion. That’s more than $4 trillion added to the deficit in just one term — something that has never happened before in our history.
    I notice that Obama is not bragging about his 1 trillion per year deficit for reelection. After all he’s the only president that has done this, that should be something to brag about.

  • Patriot

    This year’s election is the most important event for Freedom & Liberty since the American Revolution and 50% of the people do not even know it! Get the word out and be strong my fellow Patriots!

    • Big Red

      True this election is Socialism vs Capitalism. If Obama wins Socialism will win. If a Republican wins Capitalism has a chance.

      • DaveH

        Only with Ron Paul.

  • LeConte Davis

    24 Feb

    Even being a minority male, I find his economic policies ridiculous! I also read that his 2013 budget eliminates vouchers to low income parents in Wash DC to send their children to better schools–just to pay off the teacher s’ unions! I’ve jist become Libertarian!

    • DaveH

      Good for you, LeConte.
      You should read this book to understand Libertarianism well, so you can refute the inevitable misinformation about Libertarianism that will come your way:
      http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf

  • http://charter.net sue

    listen to news today and the president said he has 5 more years , that just shows all them dead people and illegals are voting . wake up America your being had

    • Mary Mohanan

      Let’s start praying that he will NOT get 5 more years to complete his damage. I don’t think it would even take that long.

  • Peter

    Understand that BHO intends to punish his enemies and reward his friends.. That is the focus of his so called budget..

  • http://cox guidry

    HOW CAN ANYBODY IN THERE RIGHT MINE BELIEVE THIS BLACK COMMAY CAUSE EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH HE HAS LIES COMING OUT

    • Vigilant

      While I agree with your main point, there was no necessity to use the adjective “black” to describe him. That’s a gratuitous comment that divulges your true sentiments.

  • Bob Johnson

    THOSE IN BUSINESS DO NOT PAY TAXES, TAXES ARE A COST ITEM, AND ALL COST ITEMS ARE PASSED TO THE CONSUMERS, SO WHEN YOU SAY BUSINESSES PAY TAXES, YOU ARE MISLEADING YOURSELF AND OTHERS. BUSINESSES COLLECT TAXES ON THE ORDER OF THE GOVERNMENT. THAT IS JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS, GET REAL.

  • Louis Lemieux

    “Businesses pay 35 percent of their profits in taxes.“ Is that right, Mr. Chip Wood? Even after taking advantage of loop holes and deductions? How can we believe what you say if you can’t be honest?

    • DaveH

      Can you prove your claim, Louis?
      Here are actual tax receipts from the IRS:
      http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

      Note that the top 1% pay 36.7% of the Income Taxes. That’s their Fair Share? I think not.

    • Vicki

      Louis Lemieux says:

      “Businesses pay 35 percent of their profits in taxes.“ Is that right, Mr. Chip Wood? Even after taking advantage of loop holes and deductions?

      You should be thanking businesses for taking advantage of all the legal deductions they can. If they didn’t they would pass on the extra tax to YOU.

      Businesses don’t pay taxes. YOU the customer pays any and all taxes.

      • Vigilant

        Except, of course, when the tax bill for small businesses becomes so confiscatory that they can’t continue in business…that and the onerous costly regulations that force them to raise prices to a level the market will not bear..

      • http://gravatar.com/revnowwhilewecan RevNowWhileWeCan

        Yes Vigilant. As in small dairy farms in Ca. that sell fresh milk and other organic products only to be raided time after time by the Big Bro. henchmen known as the FTA. This a a nice example. Im arfaid to even mention the I.R. you know what.

  • http://yahoo don

    obunhole asked us if we wanted 4 more years of bush in 2008. we would have been better off if mcCain would have won. everything is going down the drain with this incompetant wo could’nt run a toilet let alone his country. he told us what we wanted to hear when he was running for president. he seems to always have an answer for everything that comes up nowadays. this guy is the biggest bs’er ive ever seen. fooled us once. not me no more.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Outright capitalism works basically like a game of monopoly: the money supply gets concentrated in one spot. To prevent that from happening the government has a role to play. How much? The gap between rich and poor will tell you.

    • Len Miller

      Lou, you have it right. The Tax Code has always been used to promote certain interests. Examples: charitable deductions to foster gifts to charities; deferred income to foster savings; farm subsidies; oil depletion allowances; depreciation rules, etc., etc, It is unfortunate that we have so many people in this country with such hatred toward the President that they are blinded from reality.

      • DaveH

        Yep. We should make the tax system “Fair”. Every adult should be liable for the same amount. No favoritism. No strings. No tax hoops to jump through. No people, who have No-Skin-in-the-game, getting to vote for how the money is spent.

      • Big Red

        What reality are you talking about? I don’t hate Obama, I hate his policy’s I’m not a socialist. Socialism does not work for the greater of man kind. Look at Europe today what do they have to show for hundred of years under the socialist form of government.
        I ask you would Europe have the standard of living today if America wasn’t born two+ hundred years ago?
        Was it capitalism or socialism that gave us the standard of living we have today both here in America & Europe?
        Would we have had the industrial revolution under socialism? I think not.

    • DaveH

      Read this book, Louis to understand Real Capitalism, which we have been nowhere near for over a hundred years:
      http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

    • Vicki

      Louis Lemieux writes

      Outright capitalism works basically like a game of monopoly: the money supply gets concentrated in one spot. To prevent that from happening the government has a role to play. How much? The gap between rich and poor will tell you.

      Governments ONLY role is to keep people from taking wealth by force or fraud. Capitalism does not work like monopoly because in RL (real life) chance has nothing to do with the creation of wealth and much less to do with the collection of wealth.

  • Chester

    You make the statement that “businesses pay 35% tax on profits.” I will agree on that, but how many businesses actually SHOW a profit on paper to pay taxes on? There is a big difference between what the business brings in over and above actual expenses and their declared “profit.” Just ask any accountant. Even those dividends they send out are deducted from income before profits are declared.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Americans make up 5% of world population and our share of World Gross Domestic Product is 24%. Why are people so pessimistic?

    • FreedomFighter

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV8P-vib5n8&feature=related

      Just for you, now goto work.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      In the early 1900s, Louis, Argentina was in the top ten best economies in the world. Then the Progressives started their slow takeover, doing many of the same things the Progressives here want the US to do. Now Argentina is ranked in the mid 50s in terms of GDP (PPP) per capita.
      They have very similar geography to the US, expect they are on the opposite side of the equator. They have abundant natural resources, so their downfall can’t be blamed on lack of those. It was purely politics that did them in — Progressive Politics:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Argentina

  • captain mike

    Obama’s slogan should read “An America built to BE Last” since that is his aim.

    • Betty Bacon

      Where the hell was the public outcry when G. W. and wall street was robbing me blind in my 401 k. Oh right, we handed that off to our President. And then blame him for EVERYTHING! By the way not one member of congress should be re- elected.We are all Americans. Every congressman should have an A before there name. Not R. or a D.They should be concerned for all AMERICANS! Rich, middle class,& the poor.

      • Vicki

        Betty Bacon says:

        Where the hell was the public outcry when G. W. and wall street was robbing me blind in my 401 k.

        Evidence please. I have a 401K and other than the government (that would not be wall street) taking 20% at gunpoint if I dared to remove my capital prior to some magic date in the far future I find no evidence of robbery.

      • COAL MINER

        Betty Bacon,

        Right on,Betty.

      • DaveH

        Betty, it’s not Government’s job to take care of us. They should protect us from Force and Fraud, that is all. Now they have become the Forcers and the Frauds.
        Ron Paul 2012!

  • http://google john p.

    just keep voting for democrats and they will keep on spending
    our money. and if you think the democrats are for the working man
    your wrong . the only thing democrats want from the working man
    is there vote and there money . look at Obama lie,lie,take,take,
    he wants all your money. make sure you vote for Obama again
    he will have all your money .

  • Lynne

    Mr. Wood states: “If we can’t change the plan, then we’ve got to change the planners. What are you doing to make that happen?”

    Ron Paul for President in 2012!

  • Power To The People

    Louie, are you awake?

    Obummer is a fraud….yes, but the problem is with 47% of the population wed to the government, he who promises the most gets the votes!

    We have all been deceived for many years by the elites and the stooges we call politicians. They have stolen from us all, they pack their accounts with the proceeds of our toil and they sneer at us by refusing to consider term limits.

    Our current system is fraught with corruption there is no way to right the ship by the voting process. These frauds know this and that is why they are openly sleazy.

    I write to my congressman every week. Some of the replies I get back are pure BS and others are canned responses to pat me on the head and say don’t worry….we know what we are doing!

    We must organize…..create a new party….a new movement…..otherwise, the only thing left is revolution or slavery.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    There has been much hullabaloo over President Obama’s birth certificate. Obama’s parentage also came into question after Frank Marshall Davis was identified as his “mentor” in Obama’s memoir, Dreams from My Father.

    Frank Marshall Davis (1905-1987) was a black poet, Communist activist and journalist in Hawaii in the 1950s. Davis moved to Honolulu from Chicago in 1948 with his second wife Helen Canfield Davis, a white Chicago socialite, and fellow Communist. The actor Paul Robeson advised them that there would be more tolerance of a mixed race couple in Hawaii than on the American mainland. (They had five children and divorced in 1970.)

    Davis was first suspected of being Obama’s real father after he was identified as the author of Sex Rebel:Black, a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene. In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Davis confirmed that he was indeed the author of Sex Rebel: Black

    The book closely tracks Davis’ life in Chicago and Hawaii and describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters. In the book, Davis recounted an incident of “swinging” with a couple from Seattle, and how he and his wife had numerous encounters with an underage girl named “Anne.” (Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her).

    He wrote, “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.”
    He continued, “But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”

    He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl. Davis wrote, “Anne came up many times the next several weeks; her aunt thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was.” Davis continued, “She obtained a course in practical sex from experienced and considerate practitioners rather than from ignorant insensitive neophytes….I think we did her a favor, although the pleasure was mutual.”

    (Obama was conceived around the time that these naked pictures of his mother, found in Davis’ album, were made.)see pictures here: http://www.henrymakow.com/frank_marshall_davis_shack.html

    Many believe that the swinging couple from Seattle was the Dunhams, and Ann was Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s future mother. It’s possible that raping an underage girl was part of MK ULTRA-Monarch mind control programming. If “Ann” was indeed Stanley Ann Dunham, what was she doing having sex with Frank Marshall Davis? Davis gives his readers the impression that the 13-year old approaching him for sex was pure happenstance. He even admitted that youngsters were not his cup of tea. Perhaps what we are witnessing is a snippet of a much grander plan!

    According to Dreams of My Father, Frank Marshall Davis knew Stanley Dunham from Kansas. Surely, Stanley Dunham was in on these sex sessions. The girl didn’t have a driver’s license? Did the elder Dunham carpool his daughter to her extra-curricular activity? It appears so. Something was going on here that superseded a father’s natural instinct to protect his daughter. Perhaps MK-Ultra trauma brainwashing was involved. Perhaps the intended outcome took place six years later when Barack Obama Jr. was born. Surely, there are people who feel that the creation and installation of a black president is justification for shall we say erratic behavior? We just have to look to the Bible to see the strange sexual encounters that had taken place to produce David and Solomon. Perhaps that kind of biblical reference justified the means necessary to usher in a modern monarch of epic consequence such as the first black president.

    Who were these loyal players to such a bold cause? Surely the success of their venture would depend on powerful sponsorship. I suggest that the presidency of a black man was conceived in the mid-fifties as a response to projected growth of America’s minority population.

    I suggest that a cabal within the Council of Foreign Relations, after learning the lessons coming out of South Africa, formed a plan to nurture inter-racial stability within America to ensure a peaceful co-existence amongst its citizens. The idea of installing a black president would be the keystone to such a plan.

  • bono

    I am not an Obama person, nor a tried and failed Republican or Democrat. What I do know is that working people like myself and a great majority of Americans do not get justice because people are always crying how the poor rich need more money to hire illegal alien maids and workers for their gardens. Such as shame that they can’t see the forest for trees or wear the wool over their eyes like sheep to the establishment. Oh if only a liberterian like Ron Paul could win? Maybe the budget wouldn’t increase so much while so called conservatives and liberals clamour for more political wars paid for by debt from China.

    • Vigilant

      “…myself and a great majority of Americans do not get justice because people are always crying how the poor rich need more money to hire illegal alien maids and workers for their gardens.”

      If you can find JUST ONE quote to support that false statement, I’ll kiss your backside.

      One more class warfare lackey.

  • Jimbo

    To most politicians, and unionized federal and state employees, a budget “cut” is reduction in the yearly increase. They have no idea what a REAL cut is. No concept.

    After 30+ years in non-union manufacturing, I have to work very hard to make $27K per year. My job offers no prospects of advancement, even though I am considered very good at my work. (Haven’t had a pay raise in 4 years.)

    Despite this, even I realize that you can’t keep taxing the rich. My employer will close shop, and I will be forced into the unemployment line. And the government does not pass the increased tax collections on to the poor or middle class without taking its cut first.

    Incidentally, the media has been reporting that 50% of the population don’t pay taxes. I don’t know how they figure this. I DO pay federal (and state) taxes. I wind up paying 8% federal tax after my refund. That’s not a lot, but it’s something.

  • Thinking About

    There is too much corporate welfare. This was very apparent in the wasteful spending after Katrina. Halliburton got lots and still gets big welfare from taxpayers and now moved offshore to avoid paying taxes to rhe source of their largest contributoe. On getting a budget passed, what has been successful in Congress in the pasr year. Deadbeats in Congress who continue to add earmarks resulting in welfare to their districts to buy more votes. Then they comr up with lies as I never voted on any spending or recently they was team players.

    On liars, when are the birthers ever going to stop their lies? As a struggling person tries to make a living on minimun wage i do not feel sorry foe the poor devils like Romney having to pay 15% of his earnings.

  • Len M

    BLINDED BY HATRED: I am constantly surprised at the vitriol spewed out at President Obama. As a President that is trying to help us all he is not only criticized by the right for anything he does or proposes, he is called names, disrespected, called illegitimate, birth certificate questioned to the point of absurdity. The writer of the article on which this comment is posted is just such an individual. Although there may be things in a Budget proposal that may not be satisfactory to “everyone”, there is no need to imply that the President is a Marxist. Absurd.

    It is interesting that while George W. Bush failed to include the Iraq and Afghanistan war costs in his budget proposal and passed by a completely Republican controlled Congress, I saw no uproar from the right. The “Conservatives: were perfectly happy with that kind of accounting. They were happy to “pay” for the Wars with special appropriations. That is why Bush ran trillions of dollars in deficit especially when he and the Republicans, for the first time ever, cut taxes during a time of War. Where was the outcry? Where were the “Tea Partiers”? Bush ran us into a major recession.

    By the way, according to the Constitution, all bills inclusing the Budget originate in the House. The House is controlled by the Republicans and Tea partiers– where is their budget? Did they pass a budget for the present fiscal year? If they did, I must have missed it.

    It seems to me that if President Obama’s greatest crime is that he tried to give us a start toward healthcare for all, then he should be re-elected in a Landslide. It is incredible to me that a healthcare plan that has as basic components suggested provisions from the right. The hated individual mandate was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation (hardly a Marxist organization). It was endorsed by that left wing slug, Newt Gingrich. The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate. President Obama was not in favor of such a mandate but agreed to it to get the legislation passed and start us on our way. Are the right wing so fickle in their beliefs that they change them when a moderate agrees to their proposals, they call him a Nazi, A communist, a socialist or is there another agenda out there? Crazy isn’t it?

    The same may be said about the Budget and Tax proposals made by the President. We have had a Progressive Tax system since the beginnings of the Income tax. During Republican adminsitrations in the past, the top rates were close to 80% or 90%. They were certainly in the 60% area for most of the Reaganomic years. The rate was 39.6% during the wonderful economic times of the Clinton administration (and that Democrat balanced the budget). So, please right wingers, get over your hypocritical selves. Work with the President for the betterment of our country and our citizens. Do not work against your own interests simply because of some prejudice or because you have not taken the time to study the facts. If you work with a President that has more than reached out to you, we will all do better and isn’t that the reason we elect people?

    • Homer Ferguson

      Len, conservative defenders of an aristocracy–past dynasties of Europe, Asia, wherever, abhor reason–not because they themselves lack the power of reason or the intelligence to do so effectively. Reason, when applied to the whys of their privilege, undercuts the ground from under them.

      The nomenklatura of the USSR was an aristocracy. It survived by controlling all that government did and by maintaining its control through power, wealth, intimidation, misinformation, prevarication, labeling, corruption, and punishment of its enemies (anyone who stood up for himself or anyone else not accepted into the nomenklatura).

      Our own corporatocracy has bought out all the commercial media; it therefore has gained the power of censorship. It pays for influence and control of our three Powers: Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. Since our corporatist élite cannot yet prevent in all cases the election of an official at least partially outside their control, they cannot exercise as freely the powers seized and applied in the Soviet Union.

      But make no mistake: they are not looking for a free, representative government in the US. To the contrary. Therefore, do not expect well-grounded, thoughtful debate on this matter.

      Who would defend a greedy élite that ships out jobs, demands the status quo, and paralyzes progress? Few of the victims of the policies, if addressing those policies directly, would do so. It therefore becomes necessary to separate people from reason and to appeal to their destructive emotions, separating each of us from the other so that we will disregard the corporatist policies not just of the Reagan and GWB Administrations, but other initiatives that have been promoted throughout our history.

      As long as we are fighting among ourselves, the self-serving aristocracy will go about consolidating its power while “shielding” us, the people of this country, from any light cast on their successful efforts to sap resources capable of rendering us independent of their power–including our very will to stand up for ourselves.

      There are conservatives so passionate in their hate, fear, or resentment that, were they aboard the Titanic, would pray for the ship to sink if they heard so much as a rumor that a “liberal” (never defined) was aboard.

      • Len M

        Brilliantly said.

    • Big Red

      By the way, according to the Constitution, all bills including the Budget originate in the House. The House is controlled by the Republicans and Tea partiers– where is their budget? Did they pass a budget for the present fiscal year? If they did, I must have missed it.
      You did miss it, it’s in Senate. Harry will not bring it to the floor for a vote.

      Bush ran trillions of dollars in deficit especially when he and the Republicans, for the first time ever, cut taxes during a time of War. Where was the outcry? Where were the “Tea Partiers”? Bush ran us into a major recession.

      Still running against Bush. He’s been out of office over three years. How do you justify this “For the past four years, the Obama Administration has run a deficit of more than $1 trillion. That’s more than $4 trillion added to the deficit in just one term — something that has never happened before in our history”.

      • Len M

        How do you justify this “For the past four years, the Obama Administration has run a deficit of more than $1 trillion. That’s more than $4 trillion added to the deficit in just one term — something that has never happened before in our history”. It is blatantly unfair statement. Look at the record– Romney claimed that President Obama doubled the deficit brought to the table by Bush: The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported two weeks before Obama became president that the deficit for 2009 would reach $1.2 trillion, not counting anything Obama or the new Congress did.

        “The ongoing turmoil in the housing and financial markets has taken a major toll on the federal budget. CBO currently projects that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion,” the CBO reported on Jan. 7, 2009. The 2009 deficit ended up at $1.4 trillion — an increase of about $200 billion, or 16 percent. No doubling.

        The CBO blamed the increase on the recession, noting a reduction in tax revenues and additional spending in response to the economic crisis, both under President George W. Bush and Obama. The 2010 deficit: $1.3 trillion. Still nowhere near double.
        The 2011 deficit: $1.3 trillion. Same.

        As explained clearly in the Tampa Bay Times: ” From the date President George W. Bush took office in 2001 until he left in 2009, Bush took a surplus-rich federal budget he had been handed by President Bill Clinton and turned it into a debt-bloated monster, adding $5 trillion to the national debt, nearly doubling it at the time.

        When Obama took office, his gift from Bush was an economy in ruins, disgorging 500,000 jobs per month, and a government that could not live within its means.”

        The Budget deficits under Obama —result from sharply reduced revenues. In the month Obama came to office the CBO was projecting 2012 revenues at $3.1 trillion. The CBO projection is now that revenues will be just $2.5 trillion, a loss of nearly $600 billion. More than $300 billion of that amount is due to the extension of the Bush tax cuts. The remainder, only 9 percent of the projected deficit is attributable to higher-than-expected nondefense spending. Most of that is recession-related. It demonstrates that Obama’s new domestic spending is not driving the country’s deficits. It is why George W. must take the weight. Blame his wars and his reduction of revenues. Obama faced these policies that were written in stone before he took office. Had the Bush tax cuts never have gone into effect the national debt would be about $3 trillion lower than the $15 trillion it is now.

        So, Big Red, if we bother with the FACTS– rather than blindly flail at President Obama, we might be able to work together to get a handle on both stimulating the economic revival that was promoted by Obama policies and shrink the deficit at the same time. How about giving that a try rather than whining about the President.

    • Vigilant

      “BLINDED BY HATRED: I am constantly surprised at the vitriol spewed out at President Obama.”

      Len M, you must be only about three or fours years old, since you are ignorant of name-calling and vitriol spewed out at President Bush. How’s it feel, sonny?

    • Michael M

      Well… here’s another name for him- Traitor of and to the American People, let us see him wear THAT one with pride, for it is the truth.

  • ann

    Republicans have nothing more then religious attacks on President Obama. The economy is doing better and his National/Foreign security has been stellar. So now let’s attack woman and their health rights and defund Planned Parenthood. Guess what, they
    see and treat tons of women who cannot afford health insurance but now they can’t stand it that woman are are birth control and want to control that. Really!!!!! Get a life. Listen to the Republican debate nothing just attacks on Obama. Could you be anymore out of the loop. Get off of vaginal management cuz you just lost a lot of women votes.

    • FreedomFighter

      Many of us dont think we should pay for the immoral lifestlye of others, like mandatory insurance payment for abortion, contraception. It is against our belief system.

      You want to fool around and get knocked up – pay for it yourself.

      You want to fool around and not get knocked up – buy your own pills.

      Be responsible for yourself, dont ask others to pay for your lifestyle choice. Hope that cleared it up for you.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      The economy is doing better and his National/Foreign security has been stellar?

      Ann, give the bong a rest.

    • Big Red

      The economy is doing better and his National/Foreign security has been stellar.

      Can you explain this statement? Whereis the economy improving. Why did it take over three years and trillions of dollars in deblt to improve. Is this what you call improving our For the past four years, the Obama Administration has run a deficit of more than $1 trillion. That’s more than $4 trillion added to the deficit in just one term — something that has never happened before in our history.

      but now they can’t stand it that woman are on birth control and want to control that.
      This statement is not true. We just don’t want pay for birth control or be force to pay. If a women wants birth control go and by it. We also believe that killing baby’s is not the way for birth control.

    • Len M

      Ann, unfortunately you are talking to a group that will not listen and worse, not hear. Let Big Red become pregnant after being raped and see what his opinion would be on whether life begins at conception or whethe he should have a choice about his own body. Let him make the choice as to whether he should die or the fetus be taken. Let’s see what men would do if they were the ones that had the risk of pregnancy. Would they favor contraception? Would they want it as part of their health plan. You bet we would.

      It is very easy for a man to make the noises that Big Red and Daryll Issa make.
      They really have no skin in the game. I wish it were different. I wish those that preach “small government” and don’t let government intrude in our lives would take the same position on choice. Freedom includes choice. But, they are blinded by ideology. Ask them if they would enact the legislation proposed by an Oklahoma Senator: “Any man that ejaculates other than in a woman’s vagina is guilty of a crime against an unborn child”. See if you can get Big Red to sign on as a sponsor.

      • Vigilant

        “I wish those that preach “small government” and don’t let government intrude in our lives would take the same position on choice. Freedom includes choice.”

        And what do you call it when a taxpayer who is pro-life is forced to have their money spent on other peoples’ abortions?

        “It is very easy for a man to make the noises that Big Red and Daryll Issa make.
        They really have no skin in the game.” Horsepuckey! Every living being has both the right to life, liberty and property, and the responsibility to prevent the taking of life.

        Who in this nation has the right to decide that Nature’s most innocent beings of all, the children, must be killed?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        TY Vigilant, well stated!

    • Michael M

      Tell that to the people who are out of work and still unable to find work.

  • FreedomFighter

    Obama Justifies FEMA imprisonment of civilians!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPZlysCAm0

    You guys have got to see this, even Liberal R. Madcow is in shock.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Vicki

      Did MSM finally wake up to who gets liquidated first under a newly formed oligarchy or did someone decide to throw Obama under the bus?

    • DaveH

      Don’t confuse the Liberals with facts, FF.

      • Homer Ferguson

        See http://www.politicususa.com/en/ndaa-breitbarted :

        “The YouTube video claimed to be proof that Obama is going to sign a citizen imprisonment law … However, in the first 30 minutes of the debate Sen. Levin stated that the NDAA provisions do not apply to US citizens … Hours prior to the YouTube proof video, Sen. Levin stated on the Senate floor that the Obama administration requested that the provision be changed so that it does not apply to American citizens, but he explained the provision wasn’t changed because it already didn’t apply to American citizens,”

        Whether it be the president’s citizenship, his faith, etc., conservatives have spread mendacious propaganda rapidly through the net and other media. As each lie is rebutted, more pop up to take its place. Amazingly, they are not held accountable for their prevarications.

        The intention, of course, is to turn attention from the abuses of a corporatocracy successfully appealing to the fears, prejudices, hate, and anger of people to the point at which they will unwittingly (or angrily) vote against their own interests.

        Keep in mind that no aristocracy is interested in the truth. Its sole concern is self-perpetuation.

      • vicki

        Homer Ferguson says:

        n the first 30 minutes of the debate Sen. Levin stated that the NDAA provisions do not apply to US citizens

        It would appear that Sen. Levin is incorrect. At least according to a wide range of people and groups.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012#Controversy_over_indefinite_detention

      • vicki

        As mentioned in the link above even Obama has problems with the law.

        ” “The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” the president said in a statement. “I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.” ” -Obama-
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/

        So Homer, what reservations do YOU think he was talking about?

  • mike swann

    I read on Karl Marx’s life. He was always looking for ways to pull wool over seomeone’s eyes. Ditto for lenin, Stalin. Marx’s father was a lawyer. Karl was a bum, hated manual labor, lived hand to mouth. He mooched on others. His wife and kids were evicted from their apartment in London as Marx cared more about his idealology. Sound familiar? Landlord said there were days there was no food for the Marx kids, frostbite, cold apt. He prefered to dream of his communist theries, while neglecting his duties as father. 3 of his 7 kids died in infancy before being named. A diet of bread and potatoes. Marx obtaine a doctorate degree from Berlin U which qualified him to teach gym at elememtery school. He and his kids lived in filth and poverty, off friends, So, this man lived in filth and subjuected his kids to it. Marx was also a drunk. So, this is where his distribution of wealth came from. Hollywood, and tiberl Demos think this man was great. What the liberal Demo media keep from public.

    • Len M

      I think that you had too much to drink. Sober up!

      • DaveH

        Here is the undeniable reality of Big Government. Look up the Economic conditions of those countries with the Biggest Governments:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

  • WickedPickle

    I DON’T WANT YOUR MONEY!!!

    I just want a job to feed my family and myself.. THAT’S what the majority of Americans are saying (of both parties). Rich guy, keep your money and pay YOUR SHARE of taxes in accordance to the regulations of the Internal Revenue Services.. If that means they get special favors and shady breaks then we need to CHANGE THE LAW not ‘twist’ the rules of law. Anyone who says he/she wouldn’t take advantage of a tax LAW is lying to them selves.. After all, even the poor are doing this. And another thing.. You rag, nag and flag Obama’s legitimacy knowing as long as there are slackers in the senate, house and on the bench, there will be nothing you can do about it.. So instead of whining to this ‘deaf’ one.. eventually giving him (self) authorization to enact NDAA on our butts (of which he pledged not to use on his watch but what happened to the last promise this user of your own words vowed?) Instead, focus your attention and collective might to the cowards on the hill who are lazy, scared, even refusing to challenge these charges. They should be up in arms (much more so than the Lewinsky farce which came – this close to ousting Clinton).. Your party had balls then, now it’s more like marbles. So, your focus is on the wrong track.. You seem to think your right in these assumptions but you will NEVER convince the perpetrator to slit his own throat by accusing and spitting in his general direction, you’ve got to send the dirty laundry bill to the law makers and tell them to read their own words and act accordingly if what we think is happening instead of sticking their collective heads in the sand while waiting for THEIR next paycheck.. You must understand, there are no good guys/bad guys in this Nation, there’s only Americans who either think their fellow citizen have been scammed or who have actually been scammed (this applies to any and all parties). We need to stop calling people that we don’t agree with Commies, brainless, muslums, A-holes or any other idiotic name to rouse anger and disgust from others just for the sake of venting. We have ALL been fooled.. ALL been used, don’t you get it? In 2008 when Bush ran his gauntlet (2nd and final term) we were given a choice as to who would replace him.. And just like the prior two terms, we were tired of the Dem leadership so elected a Pub, the same situation came up again and it was just like the prior, out of all the contenders, there was only one in our foresight who seemed worthy so we chose who we thought the most worthy then later discovering we may had been wrong (in hindsight).. Same thing here (along with other factors). Truth is, we were in need and there was ONE out of the crowd who told us what we wanted to hear only discovering later (through hindsight) that it was mostly lies. What we need to do is stop facing the perpetrator and accusing our own neighbors of stupidity (which if he had been the great deliverer that we had imagined, who of us would have refused to take at least some of the credit of his election) and focused our attention on those who COULD do something (at least judicially) as it took in the Clinton/Lewinsky case.. There were grumbling and accusation once the rumor broke, but nothing was done until the Representatives of the people went into action. I know you’ve heard this before but it’s essential that we as a Nation stand up for our fellow Americans whether we agree with them or not, find the happy medium and allow our reps to be our mouths AFTER discovering the truth (not rumors or other users truths). I know it’s difficult, we’ve always contended with the good guy/ bad guy mentality since childhood but as you can see today, continuing to adhere to this game will separate us and once separated, we fall. Demand your State Representative bring this issue of illegitimacy to Congress and if they fail to adhere to their duties (without explaining why) then replace THEM with somebody who will. Who do I think is the most capable candidate today? AT LEAST someone with the IDEALS of Ron Paul. We only have our Constitution to single us out from the rest of the planet, let’s use it to save our Country!!

  • john DeSanctis

    The most important thing an Ameriocan has is freedom. Yes freedom to prosper as well as freedom to do nothing and in this liberty we are able to seek that which gives us happiness. I think it extremely unfair to take from those who strive for their own comfort and security and give it to those who could care less. I am sure Obama knows this but he insists on class warfare to gain reelection as well as a very comfortable existence. Vote the man out of office and preserve your God given freedom.

    • Len M

      Dear John: I hope that you have the opportunity to read some of the factual posts. There is an internet where, if you are very careful, you can actually get to facts. The old adage, you are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts. You have expressed your opinion. Perhaps some facts: Class warfare, if it exists, began during the Reaganomics years when many in this country began a me, me, me philosophy. Why that welfare mother might get a few dollars she doesn’t deserve– but it is okay if Halliburton, Bain Capital and the like gouge us for Billions. I am sure that you are aware that many, like Romney and many of our largest corporations kept their money offshore and non-taxable.

      Under your friend George W., when he realized who his base was, decidedin 2003 or 2004 to give them all a “tax holiday”. The corporations were permitted to bring the offshore money into the country under the guise of “job creation”. Of course, they brought the Billions of untaxed dollars back and used it to line their own pockets tax free. Don’t beleive me, check it out on the internet. Halliburton blew Billions of our tax dollars in Iraq. Not a peep. Let someone get food stamps– we’ve got to stop that, whyshould they beable to feed themselves and their children. If you are disabled, get a job. How dumb are we?

      The class warfare by the uber rich has given rise to a complete disruption of our system. The uber rich have increased in wealth and income some 20 to 30 times faster than the increase in the average working person’s income. That is class warfare.

      Our tax code has always been progressive. Under Republican Ike, the top tax rate was 90% and the country flourished. We actually helped one another advance and the middleclass emerged. Now, it appears that we have people that hate their fellow American. they are jealous of pennies and forget the big boys and the big dollars.

      It is time to renew that American spirit of love for your fellow American– something President Obama has tried to create. Unfortunately some of us are blinded by hate, prejudice and dislike for our fellow Americans and have really forgotten what made us great. Work with the President– he has no agenda but to help all of us. We may disagree on policies but there is no reason for name calling or nonsensical statements like he is a socialist. Obama is very, very far from a socialist. However, it is not only socialism that looks to the betterment of all– capitalism with the regulation of greed can be the mechanism for change and betterment. Higher taxes (by a few percentage points) for the rich is one way to achieve a number of goals. It is not class warfare and it is NOT socialism. P.S. Neither is taking care of the health care needs of all Americans.

      • WickedPickle

        Sorry Len.. You, along with myself and a few others are irrelevant to haters. It’s just as well to be speaking to mud pies. I know you and others mean well (as do I) but for some reason (not really difficult to determine) this ‘hate’ fest towering above the Nation is only going to get worse in that (1) Obama gets re-elected or (2) we elect a new leader and 100 days later realize were in the same (pickle?).. The only difference being, there will be other whiners than the whiners of today. We have to face it.. Only Americans can bring back America. Politics has bastardized itself into an elitist corporation (as if it had once been an asset?) and ‘we the people’ were not invited. Vote for the person of your choice and may it’s result turn out as a benefit to all Americans.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Boy, its been a while since i heard so much whining, and self-loathing. How you two ever make it out of bed, is a wonder! lol

      • Homer Ferguson

        Excellent words of wisdom in the midst of so many hateful comments. To their credit, several comments censure the many that are uncivil, but the content is not based in truth or even in clear logic. One statement claims that the oversized banking institutions that gambled away people’s pensions and livelihoods in order to make fortunes for themselves (including in the form of bailouts charged to the account of the American taxpayer) are part of a liberal élite!

        The y did make a lot of money, but they did not earn it. Most people work hard and make very little money. It baffles me that one “conservatives” assumption implies that the wealthy, by virtue of being wealthy, have worth in our society and that the working poor, because they are not wealthy, do not.

        When speculators get together and purchase phenomenal amounts of oil just to run up the price and then sell it before that price inevitably drops, they make themselves much wealthier at our expense while they produce nothing. The purchases cannot be honest or in good faith simply because they lack the resources to take delivery or to refine the oil.
        To suggest that “liberals” support such legal extortion is to live in a world of fantasy, a dark fantasy that seriously compromises not just our futures but also those of our grandchildren.

        When speculators sell a company’s stock short in sufficient quantity to cause its price to fall to a level far lower that the worth of that stock, they do great damage to that company (forcing it even to the point of bankruptcy) for a quick profit.

        None of this is good for business in this country. None of it leads to investment and expansion. None of this is part of a rising tide that lifts all boats. It is callous selfishness contrary to the divine teachings commanding us to be stewards of the resources of this world. I write not just as one who longs to see a return to economic policies that benefit everyone, which strikes me as common sense, but also as a Christian who long ago rejected the selfish “virtues” championed by Ayn Rand.

        Thank you, Len, for the time and trouble you have taken to address everyone with respect and grounded argument.

      • DaveH

        Len says — “The old adage, you are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts. You have expressed your opinion. Perhaps some facts: Class warfare, if it exists, began during the Reaganomics years when many in this country began a me, me, me philosophy. Why that welfare mother might get a few dollars she doesn’t deserve– but it is okay if Halliburton, Bain Capital and the like gouge us for Billions”.
        Those are facts, Len? How about some references to back up your fabricated fact that Class warfare began with Reagan?
        It’s odd also that you blame Class warfare on Reagan, then proceed to engage in what? Class Warfare of course.
        Yes, there are Crony Capitalists, but if you’d get some education you’d learn that both major political partys have their pet Crony Capitalists, and sometimes they have the same Crony Capitalists.
        Get some education here:
        http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330129325&sr=8-1
        Government protection of their Crony Capitalists is wrong, but so is allowing Welfare recipients to ride on unwilling shoulders (slavery, plain and simple). Two wrongs don’t make a right.
        Someday maybe Liberals will wake up and realize that we’re all being gamed by the Leaders so they can retain their Power and Perks. Vote Buying, that’s all, and they don’t care if they buy those votes from Poor People or Rich People, as long as they keep their positions of Power.

  • Neil Swan

    It’s the Republicans in congress that are messing things up, not Obama.
    Lets make sure we get Democrats back in November.

    Neil

    • vicki

      The Democrats had a super majority in the house and a filibusterer proof senate AND the presidency for more that TWO years. What useful things did they do?

      Stop blaming Republicans for the in-abliltiy of Democrats to actually do anything useful.

      • Homer

        The GOP’s only overriding goal since 2008 has been to do whatever is required to see to it that he is a one-term president. They want all the Powers back so that they can continue to serve the corporatocracy at our expense.

        We know that the GOP has refused to compromise on any issue–especially those that would create jobs at home, attract foreign and domestic investment capital–, voting unanimously against every proposal advanced by Democrats and supported by the president. After all, the more they can inflict suffering on the American people while not offending their true, non-Constitutional constituents, the more they can slow down progress, the greater the odds that frustration will enable them to blame the Democrats and thereby return to serving the coporatocracy.

        Had the GOP proposed doable initiatives geared toward rebuilding and modernizing our infrastructure, toward research and development of alternative energy, raised the taxes of those wealthy few who invest nothing in jobs at home, we would have grounds for informed debate. As it is, we do not.

      • Vicki

        Homer says:

        The GOP’s only overriding goal since 2008 has been to do whatever is required to see to it that he is a one-term president. They want all the Powers back so that they can continue to serve the corporatocracy at our expense.

        Of course the GOP focus is to get their candidate into the Whitehouse. That is what parties do. When GWBush was President the democrat party’s overriding goal was to do whatever is required to see to it that GWB was a one term president. They failed of course.

        We know that the GOP has refused to compromise on any issue….

        extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

        Had the GOP proposed doable initiatives geared toward rebuilding and modernizing our infrastructure, toward research and development of alternative energy, raised the taxes of those wealthy few who invest nothing in jobs at home, we would have grounds for informed debate. As it is, we do not.

        Much talk about informed debate while providing no information.

        Note also that NON of the listed items are the job of government. The private sector can and has proven time and again that it can do the jobs better and cheaper than any government run bureaucracy.

        Just 3 recent examples
        Mail
        Packages
        Internet

        All 3 are major infrastructures and all done by government but replaced by much better. much cheaper alternatives.

        Alternative energy sources will come into their own when the demand for them is great enough. The current administration is attempting to manipulate this demand by dramatically restricting the cheaper sources of energy and by buying off convenient alternate energy failures (Solyndra) to hide the true cost of such supposed private ventures.

  • john DeSanctis

    Why is disagreement with Obama policy cunsidered hate? His policies and leadership in my opinion are totally dividing the country. And by the way I am proud to live in a country where the truly needy receive government assistance.

    • DaveH

      Imagine how proud you’d be if those “needy” were funded by voluntary contributions instead of stolen money?

  • TODD H.

    all you republiscum out there who claim to be Christians ought to actually read the Bible you pretend to believe in !!

    Acts 4:32 (King James) And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought (anything) of the things which he possessed was his own; BUT THEY HAD ALL THINGS IN COMMON.

    4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

    4:35 And laid them down at the apostles feet: AND DISTRIBUTION WAS MADE UNTO EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HE HAD NEED.

    Where do you think Marx got such an idea!!

    We learned that we are our brothers keep at the dawn of time!!

    I have read the Bible cover to cover and then some every year for the last 10 years. I have read and reread about Jesus healing people and I do not recall one single time that he asked them if they had a job!!

    I know that there are a lot of good people out there who are Republican, but the Republican party’s polocies are the poicies of selfishness: MORE, FOR ME, NOW!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Go read the book yourself,babbling nonsense will not make the Bible say that Marxism is good for any country.

      • Homer Ferguson

        Bless them that curse you. “Republicscum” is not a blessing. Please keep in mind that the commandments of our Savior include respect and love of one’s enemy–or perceived enemy.

    • FreedomFighter

      Obama Plays Race Card, Calls on Churches to Support Campaign

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWemrxT4xiY&feature=uploademail

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Thinking About

        Some really believe everything they see on youtube, really?

      • FreedomFighter

        I was just thinking about it, some are paid Obama shills bent on blinding others to the truth.

        You cast doubt without proof of why, shadowy insinuation based on vapors of imagination, used to degrade, diminish thoughts that conflict with your masters agenda.

        Alinsky would be proud of you.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Homer Ferguson

          Most of these postings are fact-free propaganda passed down to angry conservative sympathizers by the corporatist-owned media. To read concerns about Obama’s “lying,” one might infer that conservatives care about truth. But, even after the lies have been debunked, conservatives who have gladly passed on those lies lose no confidence in the sources of those lies and eagerly disseminate new ones.

          The issue, one may deduce, then, is not honesty or truth but “winning”: destroying their scapegoats and all who seek verifiable information by whatever means at their disposal. “Liberals” are enemies in part because they demand verifiable fact–the enemy of aristocracy. It is imperative, therefore, as it was in the USSR, to control the information passed on as “news”.

          The one thing certain is that the wealthiest sector of our economy will not rest even after it has completely taken over our government. What must one do to blind himself to this fact?

      • vicki

        Homer Ferguson complains alot about posts with no facts while posting long diatribes with no facts. Projecting again Homer? Oh and what did you do with Flashy?

        • Homer

          Rants such as many I have seen here speak poorly for the apologists for our corporate masters. I cannot even understand what they should be defended. Personal attacks and character assassination are not policy and they persuade no one. The energy that anger provides is manifest–but nothing addresses policy.

          Following GOP talking points, vague goals supported by no strategy for attaining them (cut spending–it helps to know the difference between investment and spending–, lower the taxes of the nonproductive wealthy élite, return to the laissez-faire deregulation that led to the Great Depression, ignore the infirm, the poor, the hungry, the unattended children) make for a sorry future for us and our children. But this is all the GOP of today offers.

          Links to corporatist propaganda prove nothing. They simply beg the questions. It is wisely perceived by many that the people of the USSR new that their media was in control of those who had seized the government for their our self-serving nomenklatura; Americans do not. I suggest that we all become familiar with who owns our for-profit media.

          Where in the conservative propaganda does one find a description of the policies that the US can follow to ensure rapid modernization of its infrastructure? Alternatives to our reliance on fossil fuels–especially foreign oil? Help for our 50 million fellow citizens with not health insurance? Angry, ambiguous attacks against individuals feed hate and fear, but they are destroying our unity as a people and they preventing us from utilizing the synergy that lies dormant among people unable to control their emotions.

          But, if you are sincere in wanting to know some of the sources I can tender for honest discussion, please try these:

          http://www.alternet.org/story/154023/
          http://www.npr.org/2012/01/19/145473357/billionaire-foster-friess-discusses-campaign-finance
          http://action.citizen.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9494
          http://toomuchonline.org/americas-plutocrats-play-the-political-ponies/
          http://www.alternet. org/story/154199/
          http://www.alternet.org/story/154003/
          http://www.alternet.org/story/154190/
          http://www.alternet.org/story/154023/
          Rich Media, Poor Democracy, Robert McChesney, http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/22qxm7kq9780252024481.html

          This is information that can lead to informed discussion. It is a basis for constructive dialogue for elaborating a vision and means of attaining that vision for all Americans–not just the privileged few. There are differences as well as agreements in the sources I list. But this is what I wish we could do as a people: agree that we will hold accountable anyone who deprives our country of its future for the cynical pursuit of self-advancement.

  • TODD H.

    all you republiscum out there who claim to be Christians ought to actually read the Bible you pretend to believe in !!

    Acts 4:32 (King James) And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought (anything) of the things which he possessed was his own; BUT THEY HAD ALL THINGS IN COMMON.

    4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

    4:35 And laid them down at the apostles feet: AND DISTRIBUTION WAS MADE UNTO EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HE HAD NEED.

    Where do you think Marx got such an idea!!

    We learned that we are our brothers keep at the dawn of time!!

    I have read the Bible cover to cover and then some every year for the last 10 years. I have read and reread about Jesus healing people and I do not recall one single time that he asked them if they had a job!!

    I know that there are a lot of good people out there who are Republican, but the Republican party’s policies are the poicies of selfishness: MORE, FOR ME, NOW!

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      The Bible Like a path to the Past NOT the Future! No wonder the Bible has been under atack so many times, yet reserection catches the Dumb, & Stupid, Imbisiles; With Egotistical Idiots Useing it!
      The daily News is bad enough…

    • FreedomFighter

      Jesus was not forced by goverment to help. All gave from the heart, none are forced to give by government, whom distributes after getting a huge cut.

      Do not use the words of the bible for your purpose, use them for Gods purpose.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Thinking About

        You apparently misread or never read all of Jesus teachings.

      • FreedomFighter

        I’m a capitalist and you might be socialists. Christians can be either, but Christ was neither. He was the Author and Finisher of faith.

        Hope that clears it up

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • vicki

        Thinking About writes to someone (FreedomFighter?):

        You apparently misread or never read all of Jesus teachings.

        Not sure what you were addressing but one thing is quite clear. Jesus NEVER advocated the use of government force (or any force) on people to make them be their brothers keeper. If you really think otherwise present the (available) facts to support your assertion.

        • Homer

          Government (Constitutionally, that is all of us–not the de facto governing aristocracy) should reflect the values of its people. If our values lie in turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to allow our tax money to be wasted on wars for foreign oil, to ship our jobs abroad, to bail out corporatist failures, and to further enrich contractors, then government now reflects those values. The conservatives have won; the next step is consolidation.

          If its purpose is to reflect our concern for those in need rather than concern for those who have never known what it is to be needy, however, then conservatives are winning. Our government (we the people) is becoming as callous and as indifferent as are the governments of Mexico, Nigeria, Indonesia, where wealth abounds–but only at the top.

          We know what Jesus would have us do. Unlike conservatives, who have always defended the uppermost class, Jesus was no ideologue. It is a grave sin for a Christian or Jew to dodge his Judeo-Christian duty to serve those who most need us though the one instrument that can do the most good. Jesus’ commands are clear; to rationalize them away so that we can defend our attitude of selfishness has no basis in human morality.

          And we also know that the Temple and Judaism were interweaved with government in Jesus’ day. Why pretend that by addressing the responsibility of His servants to “feed My sheep,” we can project our principle of separation of church and state onto Hebrew history is specious.

          Denial of life-saving assistance to the needy for the non-reason that the help is channeled through government also has no basis in economic sciences or common sense.

          Societies governed by aristocracies are stagnant, and the majority of the people are poor. What do you see that others like me cannot?

      • Vicki

        Homer writes

        Government (Constitutionally, that is all of us–not the de facto governing aristocracy) should reflect the values of its people. If our values lie in turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to allow our tax money to be wasted on wars for foreign oil, to ship our jobs abroad, to bail out corporatist failures, and to further enrich contractors, then government now reflects those values. The conservatives have won; the next step is consolidation.

        The conservatives have not won for this is not the battle we fight. We fight for SMALLER government that focuses on the only thing government should ever do. If you don’t know what that is then I strongly suggest you re-read the Declaration of Independence.
        All of your points about excess tax money simply underscores the conservative point that government must be smaller and taxes must be lower. Conservatives object to the use of tax money to bail out failures. But the Democrats did it anyway (remember that the Democrats had control of the house and senate from early 2007)

        If its purpose is to reflect our concern for those in need rather than concern for those who have never known what it is to be needy,

        This is the purpose of charity not government.

        We know what Jesus would have us do.

        You may think you know but you don’t.

        Unlike conservatives, who have always defended the uppermost class, Jesus was no ideologue. It is a grave sin for a Christian or Jew to dodge his Judeo-Christian duty to serve those who most need us though the one instrument that can do the most good. Jesus’ commands are clear; to rationalize them away so that we can defend our attitude of selfishness has no basis in human morality.

        I notice that you neglected to name the one instrument. Though you tried very hard to get the reader to hear “government”. Jesus’ commands are clear and they do not include having a tax agent point a gun at your head and take 1/2 your wealth to pay for my pet charities. If you think otherwise prove your contention.

        And we also know that the Temple and Judaism were interweaved with government in Jesus’ day. Why pretend that by addressing the responsibility of His servants to “feed My sheep,” we can project our principle of separation of church and state onto Hebrew history is specious.

        Go ahead and name the verse where you think Jesus told us to take our brothers wealth to “help” our other brother.

        Denial of life-saving assistance to the needy for the non-reason that the help is channeled through government also has no basis in economic sciences or common sense.

        Red Herring. Offer something even vaguely resembling proof that any conservative has asked for this.

        Societies governed by aristocracies are stagnant, and the majority of the people are poor. What do you see that others like me cannot?

        I saw a country where the rights of the individual were supreme and small government did its job and protected people from force and fraud. I saw that country grow into the most prosperous nation the world had ever known. The constitution of the nation granted only limited power to government.

        But in time the people lost interest and power hungry politicians began to exceed the powers granted to them in the constitution. Some of the people learned that they could elect politicians who would use government force to take property from some to give to others. Agriculture subsidies were introduced. Then came housing and welfare programs. To pay for these programs taxes rose and regulations on the private sector were imposed (for the good of society).

        Many of the producers (typically small businesses) could no longer make ends meet and they went on welfare. Productivity declined. Shortages developed. Mobs began roaming the streets demanding their “fair share” from the government. Many people were induced to trade freedom for security. Eventually the whole system collapsed. They went from a Republic to a Democracy and collapsed to an oligarchy under a progression of the Caesars.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

        Yes Rome was a republic once. And if we don’t pay attention we will be doomed to repeat it. Some would say that we already have entered the oligarchy phase. They just can’t seem to make up their minds about who are the oligarchs.

        • Homer

          I see that, after making the indefensible claim that I am not informed and that I have no basis in fact for what I say, you did not check out the sources I listed–and this is just a drop in the bucket.

          Propagandists ignore the points made by those who do not are not buying. They just brush them aside and try something else. This is not honest, informed discourse.

          Please read my comments carefully and rephrase them correctly. Your strawman rephrasings are unrelated to what I am saying. Please refrain from culling through my statement in attempts to change the subject and to get the conversation onto GOP/corporatist talking points. Let’s discuss substance instead.

          I never said anything about excess taxes. We need MORE revenue to rebuild our country and put people to work. We do not need it to hire more favored contractors or to subsidize Big Oil.

          The number one issue among most Americans is jobs. I have addressed this issue repeatedly, yet you do not explain to us the GOP plan to generate millions of jobs. Since the wealthiest Americans are not creating jobs, and since it requires more demand and more purchasing power among people whose wages are falling or remaining stagnant, what is the plan to generate more, productive employment that pays higher wages?

          And please explain what you mean by a “smaller” government. What would its authority be? Are you suggesting that with an impotent government we could trust our corporatist aristocracy to act responsibly and that ever greater wealth and power in the hands of that aristocracy would trickle down to us all? Is government preventing the trickle down?

          And, finally, please show us all why continuing to transfer power, wealth, and influence in the hands of fewer than a million Americans will not lead to the further corruption of our political system and further impoverishment of greater numbers of us, as has occurred in wealthy Third-World countries.

          If you cannot address my concerns, I cannot continue to use my time on statements that fail to address them. I do sense that you are quite capable of doing so. But to do so, you need to focus on what is best for our fellow countrymen and not on “winning.”

          When I was a Peace Corps Volunteer in Brazil, the communists used the same propagandistic tactics as do today’s American conservatives. I came to realize that they would not listen to anything that did not square with their inflexible ideology and contrived facts. I had to give up. Fortunately, so did most of the country as well.

      • Vigilant

        Homer says, “And please explain what you mean by a “smaller” government. What would its authority be? Are you suggesting that with an impotent government we could trust our corporatist aristocracy to act responsibly and that ever greater wealth and power in the hands of that aristocracy would trickle down to us all? Is government preventing the trickle down?”

        Please don’t attempt to equate smaller government with impotency. As for what would be its authority, that’s a slam dunk. Read the Constitution and you will see EXACTLY what limits of power have been placed upon it.

        Let’s be clear: It has been the influence of progressivism and its social engineering canards that have driven the nation to its sorry state, NOT the principles of Conservatism.

        Kindly discontinue your dissing of the GOP. Few who post on this site have any sympathy with the adoption of Neoconservative (a misnomer if there ever was one)policies by the GOP, and most believe that the GOP is just another (albeit slower) road to destruction of Constitutional principles.

        And please dispense with trying to equate Conservative values with corporatism. It’s simply not so, and this should be especially transparent to anyone who has seen the explosion of corporate cronyism in this current administration.

        • Homer

          If my documented facts and arguments fail to portray the GOP in a favorable light, it is because the GOP and I have opposing views. Mine are deeply rooted in Christian teaching: the corporatist officials representing only the wealthy few show by their deeds a philosophy deeply rooted in something on the order of Ayn Rand’s objectivism.

          The GOP has provided excellent public servants in the past. I could not name one today.

      • Vigilant

        Homer, it strikes me that your perception of Conservatism is at odds with what it means to most Conservatives. Let me say that it does NOT embody corporatism, nor is it in any way, shape or form what is mistakenly called “Neoconservatism.”

        I would ask you to read Barry Goldwater’s “Conscience of a Conservative” or even better, Richard Viguerie’s “Conservatives Betrayed; How George W. Bush and Other Big Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause.”

        For all the postering and grandstanding of the Republican contenders, only one has a solid understanding of what it means to be a Conservative, and that’s Ron Paul.

        • Homer

          I copied your message, Vigilant; I am not concerned about your knowledge of Latin:

          “Homer, it strikes me that your perception of Conservatism is at odds with what it means to most Conservatives. Let me say that it does NOT embody corporatism, nor is it in any way, shape or form what is mistakenly called “Neoconservatism.” I would ask you to read Barry Goldwater’s “Conscience of a Conservative” or even better, Richard Viguerie’s “Conservatives Betrayed; How George W. Bush and Other Big Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause.” For all the postering and grandstanding of the Republican contenders, only one has a solid understanding of what it means to be a Conservative, and that’s Ron Paul.”

          I read Conscience of a Conservative when it first came out. And you are not mistaken about today’s conservatism if you see it as betrayed by the corporatist policies of Ronald Reagan and GWB: it is indeed the ideological vehicle by which corporatism has taken over our government and our economy.

          Until conservatism became an ideological fig leaf, I was conservative (and I still am: I see most of our solutions in the lessons of the past and in the best of our values–the problem is that corporatism masquerading as conservatism is not conservatism (we agree here) but corporatism has tens of millions of Americans convinced that it embodies the realities of capitalism and conservatism.

          To deflect information that would result in an Emperor-is-wearing-no-clothes disclosure, corporatism uses labels (“liberal” is the current favorite) to which people react emotionally as though these labels were arguments. Name-calling is not information, but it appeals to the gut most effectively.

          Capitalism is a milieu in which competition is intense and markets are truly free arenas for individuals to compete. It was to protect competitive markets from interests seeking to eliminate competition through “trusts” that Teddy Roosevelt launched his signature trust-busting. Corporatism is a collective system (like communism and fascism) that allows corporations to opt out of competition by buying out competition and by enjoying the support of government in the form of lower taxes, subsidies, and bailouts.

          For this reason, elected Republicans repudiate Teddy Roosevelt. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/03/09/the-gops-war-on-teddy-roosevelt.html )

          I respect your knowledge, Vigilant. I wish that we could meet personally (if you don’t mind curmudgeons); almost everyone I know disagrees with me about something, but I still have friends of various nationalities (I speak Portuguese at home), diverse ethnic and religious backgrounds, and wildly differing political orientations. Yet, I enjoy a sense of good will in most groups. I am also impressed by the fact by your awareness of the fact that what we call neoconservatism here (a form of American corporatism) is known abroad as neoliberalism. You stand among the informed who have much to contribute to civil discussion.

          Here is where you may wish to contribute more to the discussion–from my perspective–, because I do not have the answer: Ron Paul does in fact show by his words far more independence of thought and I see very little concern on his part with meeting the litmus tests of fealty to the corporatist demands made of GOP candidates (and I do not exclude Democrats–I am an independent). However, would not the reluctance of libertarians to intervene in the economy leave us with the status quo? How could Paul, if he were somehow to win and implement his core principles, change our economy from what it is today to one in which we revert to capitalism and to job creation?

          Thank you for a refreshing change of pace.

          PS: This publication must be delighted with the length of this ongoing exchange.

      • Vigilant

        “However, would not the reluctance of libertarians to intervene in the economy leave us with the status quo? How could Paul, if he were somehow to win and implement his core principles, change our economy from what it is today to one in which we revert to capitalism and to job creation?”

        That’s a good question, Homer.

        I don’t believe that Libertarian proactive measures would be designed to maintain the status quo. On the contrary, intervention would be designed not to interfere with the economy but to accomplish just the opposite.

        Their charter would be to intervene in the government, not the economy. Such measures would be in the areas of changing/repealing laws and regulations that impede the maximization of individual freedoms and fail to conform with the Capitalist principles of free enterprise.

        Thus, it would be expected that, over time, the economy would become healthy by the very dearth of regulation that stymied it in the first place. Concomitantly, a complete overhaul of the tax system would be necessary. The government long ago abandoned any pretense to respecting that most crucial of Natural Rights, private property. Locke went so far as to state that government’s highest calling was to protect private property.

        From the SCOTUS’ decision in Kelo vs. New London, CT to the levying of confiscatory taxes for wealth redistribution, the Feds have consistently shown their disdain for private property. Here in NY, and probably other states as well, the whole system of property taxation treats the owner as a renter of his/her property who must pay that annual rent or lose his holdings.

        Laissez faire Capitalism? I don’t think this would happen. Although some Libertarians believe in completely unfettered Capitalism, most of the people recognize that SOME regulation is good and proper. And although I despise what unions have become, I’ll grant that the “progressive” gains made through improvement to working conditions, safety, etc. were needed in the time when they were effected.

        It is indeed nice to have intelligent analysis on both sides, and I think we would become fast friends if face-to-face. I also suspect that we are closer in political sentiments than either of us may realize.

        • Homer

          I cannot say that I agree with everything, but you make sense and I stand to learn from your perspective. I am not certain that providing my e-mail on this publication would be wise, but I would like to hear from you privately from time to time if you wish.

          If you do, we can work something out.

          I have copied your posting and saved it to my disk. I tell you this so that, if you object, I can erase it. If I do not hear from you, I will keep it.

          I discuss by e-mail many issues (from personal values and family living to art to languages, to religion–and who could forget politics?), and the chances are great that I will cite your posting in the near future.

          Thanks for your reply. I know very little about libertarianism, my age notwithstanding.

      • vicki

        Homer writes (to me)

        I see that, after making the indefensible claim that I am not informed and that I have no basis in fact for what I say, you did not check out the sources I listed–and this is just a drop in the bucket.

        I re-read the post that you are responding to and I found nothing there but your long list of bald assertions. If you had any information of use you could have backed it up with links to actual facts or supporting assertions by others. I know you do know how since you did provide a link to Vigilant in a post near this one.

      • Vigilant

        Homer, I might add that too many Libertarians place an inordinate faith in the power of just one man (then again, almost any political partisan feels the same way). While presidents are always complimented/condemned for their actions, most fail to see that the composition of the Congress and SCOTUS largely determines the direction of the country.

        A Ron Paul presidency would most likely result in government gridlock like we’ve never seen, unless a majority of like-minded pols would be elected in November, and that’s a long shot. I would foresee a government by veto which would accomplish nothing.

        On December 28th, John Myers said “My hope is that Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination and the Presidency, but I don’t think he has a realistic chance.” ( http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/2012-the-year-of-living-dangerously/ ).

        On December 30th, Chip Wood said “Polls continue to show that 45 percent of voters will vote for anyone other than Obama. (Count me among them).” ( http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/barack-obamas-crazy-claims/ ).

        Both of them have valid points.

        It struck me that the real benefit of having Dr. Paul around has been to channel the political conversation in the right direction. Given the likely Republican candidate for president, I don’t foresee all that much change in the way America conducts its business, regardless of the winner. But at the same time, Dr. Paul has elevated the consciousness of the public to the real dangers of the status quo. We can only hope that support will gain with time, although I suspect such support would be forthcoming only when the economic situation becomes so untenable that the nation would be ready for such drastic measures.

      • Vigilant

        Homer, a personal correspondence would be nice but I’m not about to post my e-mail address here. I’m sure you noticed some of the more inflammatory comments made here, and I’m afraid we would both be bombarded with e-mail viruses or just plain junk.

        Next week I’ll e-mail Mr. Livingston to see if he would be willing to divulge our addresses to each other by mutual consent. I don’t think he’s around on the weekend.

      • Vigilant

        Homer, just out of curiosity (and you don’t need to answer this), you said you speak Poruguese at home. Are you Brazilian or Portuguese?

        • Homer

          I was born in Texas to a father about to be sent to the Ardennes Forest. He came back safely, albeit with his feet frozen.

          Like me, he was an accountant and obsessed with things “practical.”

          For reasons not clear to me, I was fascinated by my Mexican-American classmates who could speak to each other in a language I could not understand. A young kid at that age has no foresight, but I do remember thinking, “I want to speak like them.”

          In Junior HIgh I studied Latin on into High School (I think that the message sent to you in Latin was in response to your signature). My father became worried. I was studying Spanish on my own and, when I enrolled in Spanish in my Senior year, the school placed me in third-year Spanish.

          Thinking I might be a missionary, I went on to major in Spanish and Religion, taking Portuguese as a lark. But I had become transfixed by the Peace Corps and I volunteered. I was sent to Brazil to work in community development. I loved the country, the job, the people (I married a teacher there over 46 years ago).

          I did graduate work in Portuguese, Spanish, and linguistics for three years (no degree), then, after an all-too-short stint with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines in Houston, I went to work for the IRS. To improve my job skills I majored in accounting and studied economics and tax law extensively.

          I ended my career as a team leader in charge of analyzing, designing, coding, and testing applications for the IRS Automated Collection System. I wound up majoring in what was then called Data Processing.

          After retiring in 2002, I was awarded a Peace Corps scholarship to do graduate study at the University of Carolina, where I was awarded an MSW in social work.

          As you see, my life is pretty much an open book. I love God, my family, and my country. I also love Brazil and I grieve over the poverty that persists in that country despite its economy having grown to be the 6th largest in the world.

          I would be glad to know of your background. I assume that you are a Marine (there is no FORMER Marine).

          Anyway, take care, and thank you for asking.

    • COAL MINER

      TODD H.

      Right on.Most of Marx’s works were borrowed from the Bible,particularly from The New Testament.”Every thing held in common”.

      • COAL MINER

        TODDH,
        Excerpts from Michael Sermer
        Was Jesus a Conservative or a Liberal?
        By MICHAEL SHERMER
        The ancient art of cherry picking passages from the Bible to support this or that argument has found new life in recent decades as conservatives claim Jesus as their political ally and in the past year with the Tea Party movement invoking Christ’s conservativism. What Would Jesus Do? (WWJD?) has morphed into Who Would Jesus Vote For? (WWJVF?) Was Jesus a conservative? I don’t think so, but the entire enterprise of politicizing historical figures with modern labels is fraught with fallacy.

        Employing modern political terms such as “liberal” and “conservative” to someone who live 2,000 years ago is an absurd game to play because those terms as they are used today do not even apply to people who lived a scant few centuries ago. The original meaning of “liberal,” for example, was what we would today call a “classical liberal,” or someone who believes in laissez faire capitalism and small government. Followers of Adam Smith were liberals, but today are called classical liberals, or conservatives, because they want to conserve the political and economic principles of classical Enlightenment thought. Those who are vehemently opposed to these conservative principles are sometimes today called progressives, who want to progress beyond—instead of conserving—classical liberalism, and their type specimen is Franklin D. Roosevelt, who originally had the support of pro-laissez faire capitalists until he launched the New Deal. One of FDR’s ideological descendents was Bill Clinton, who turned out to be one of the strongest Democratic proponents of free markets in history, which makes him, what? A conservatively classical progressive liberal? You can see how odious such label making becomes even for modern figures.

        Jesus was, for the most part, apolitical. There were a number of political factions in his time, yet there is no evidence that he joined or even endorsed any of them.

    • Shoestring47

      Democrats want to keep the blacks under control on the plantation (welfare etc.), and now they want to imprison the Hispanics and old people by forcing them to live hand to mouth. This was a great nation and will be again when we get Obama, George Soros, Buffett, Gates, Clintons and their biullionaire friends out of the business of running the government.

      TAKE BACK AMERICA, GOD MADE US GREAT, AND WILL RID US OF THIS PESTILENCE CALLED THE ESTABLISHMENT.

    • COAL MINER

      Todd H

      All religions are solar sun myths,Christianity is no exception.
      These matters are covered in great detail in my series of books titled “The Astrological Foundation Of The Christ Myth”. So the sun (fire) is a mythological symbol.,Christ was the sun-god.
      http://www.thechristmyth.com/excerpts bkbglie4.htm

      .

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    There is much more trouble than that to fix!!! The Mayer of Loa Angeles is Sideing with the OutLaws… Un Lawful Immigrants! Giving them Drivers License & Anything they want. Kenedy was assasinated for a lot less! Clinton was before a hearing for much less. The Raiding of this country MUST STOP! Supporting Officials must be detained!

  • FreedomFighter

    The New WORLD Order 2012

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0q39ehuXoM&feature=related

    Obama:
    “The nature of our leadership must change with the times”

    DICTATORSHIP-FACISM

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Gigitwo

      Like Robin Hood !

  • COAL MINER

    Personal Liberty:

    I am having problems posting.

    • Vigilant

      And you’ve always had problems putting even one, let alone two, coherent thoughts together.

  • Shoestring47

    What really scares me is that people believe what Obama is saying. I read about Hitler’s takeover of Germany and this is just the same thing. With Hitler it was the Jews, with Obama it is the banks and Wall Street (but he still takes $$$$ for his re-election from them), his occupy Wall Street crown and the unions parallel what Hitler did in Germany.

    Wake up America, God, Family and Faith will get us though this.

  • Shoestring47

    Obama and the Establishment ( both Democrats and Republicans) want to control. They want the ultimate power over all of us.

    The plan against Religion is to do away with all charities, control population (contraceptives), and have the government breathe for you, tell you what to eat, where to sleep, if you can smoke in your own yard,. take care of your own children. They want to be the supreme GOD IS THE MASTER AND WE WILL FOLLOW HIS AND HIS SON WHO DIED FOR US, THANKS TO JESUS.

  • COAL MINER

    If you don’t like what I pasted,don’t read it,don’t understand it,get someone to explain it to you. It’s that simple .Btw I thought You left this website. You were babbling Incoherently about being smarter than DaveH and nobody would listen to you.

    • COAL MINER

      Vigilant,

      I forgot your name.If you don’t like what I pasted,don’t read it,don’t understand it,get someone to explain it to you. It’s that simple .Btw I thought You left this website. You were babbling Incoherently about being smarter than DaveH and nobody would listen to you

      • Vigilant

        ‘Babbling Incoherently” is your modus operandi, not mine.

      • Vigilant

        Actually, I returned to the site out of a burning and irresistable compulsion to correct your egregious errors of logic, English, sentence composition, political philosophy and attitude.

        Don’t you feel flattered now?

      • Vigilant

        BTW, DaveH and I have had our spats, but he’s to be highly respected for his devotion to the founding principles and commitment to the Constitution.

        Don’t worry, I’ll never accuse you of that

  • COAL MINER

    Jul 29, 2010 … You can see how odious such label making can
    becomes, even for modern figures. Neither be called instructors on the right or left, for you have one instructor that Christ was a conservative the other a liberal. Take your pick.I have felt that if he was around today Jesus would be hanging around the San Fransisco area enjoying the beatnik life.Whether Jesus was a Socialist or a Conservative,no one knows. So get over it!
    trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/07/29/was-jesus-a-conservative-or-a-liberal/ trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/07/29/was-jesus-a-conservative-or-a-liberal/

    • COAL MINER

      Dr. Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and editor of Skeptic.com, a monthly columnist for Scientific American, and an Adjunct Professor at Claremont Graduate University. His latest book is The Mind of the Market, on evolutionary economics. His last book was Why Darwin Matters: Evolution and the Case Against Intelligent Design, and he is also the author of The Science of Good and Evil and of Why People Believe Weird Things. He received his B.A. in psychology from Pepperdine University, M.A. in experimental psychology from California State University, Fullerton, and his Ph.D. in the history of science from Claremont Graduate University (1991). He was a college professor for 20 years, and since his creation of Skeptic magazine he has appeared on such shows as The Colbert Report, 20/20, Dateline, Charlie Rose, and Larry King Live (but, proudly, never Jerry Springer

      • Vigilant

        If he wrote “Why People Believe Weird Things,” then hopefully he explained your thought processes, although, like sausage, I don’t don’t think I’d like to witness the process.

    • COAL MINER

      Before King Herod tried to find and kill the infant Christ, who was smuggled safely … For a real man, 30 years is a long time, but for the sun myth, the number 30 is a short time.
      http://www.holyblasphemy.net/jesus-zodiac/christmyththeory

      • COAL MINER

        Vigilant THE BRAINLESS ONE

        What does that means in Latin?I speak seven languages.How many do you speak?
        Non loquor de sapientia et intellectus et quid mihi mentem scribo

      • Vigilant

        (1) What does the astrological significance of the number 30 have to do with anything discussed on this site? Better have that coal dust vacuumed from your cranium.

        (2) It’s of no import to me that you have the inability to express your muddled thinking in seven languages (and again, what does that have to do with the price of tea?). A word to the wise (which you are NOT): become proficient in the English language if you expect to field a coherent argument on this site.

  • Mimi

    Dark_Archer,

    Thank you for those two links. I too, will send them on. When people decide to believe blindly, there isn’t any way we can reach them, but those who are willing to hear the truth, may allow their eyes and minds to open. I did, having been brought up in a very liberal, progressive family. It took adulthood, for me to realize my family was fundamentally wrong. But I had to be willing to listen to other points of view. We are in a very dark time, I can only hope and pray that enough people see through the facade, to rid us of a very corrupt and dangerous man and his friends and family.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

    I have no trouble predicting that the Senate will not produce a budget in 2012, nor will the Senate produce one for the next four years if Obama is still in office and the Democrats still control the Senate. Why? Very simple. A budget presents a structure for revenue and spending. Obama does not want that. He much prefers being able to bounce from fiscal crisis to fiscal crisis, yelling “pass this bill now!” at every campaign stop and hiding his spending with smoke and mirrors. He can’t stop talking but somehow remains very much a stealth spender, never really putting his actual plans on the table for an up-and-down vote. There will never be another budget passed by the Senate so long as Obama is in the White House, and Obama will never approve any budget passed by a GOP-controlled Senate. We’d be in for stalemate if in fact Obama had any respect for the role of Congress in the government, which he does not.

  • http://google Lloyd Olson

    When does this public learn, the US public is responsible for passing every thing to Washington DC, no one else is. We vote for the people we send there. If a local area want’s to support 100 people who don’t work, fine, let them. If your neighbor is working half a day and you want to give him half of your check, no one cares. Why do we send the money to someone else to do what the locals want ? Are we simple minded, or just simple?
    Oh, we can’t do it, we have to first send the money 1500 miles away, pay ten more people to send it back and call this smart ? This is simply a stupid public making a job for people smart enough to take there money.

    • Vigilant

      Lloyd, you’re 100% correct. The whole socialistic money laundering scheme is nothing more than unconstitutional wealth redistribution.

      The pols discovered long ago that they could sidestep the 10th Amendment by collecting Federal income taxes and returning it to the states via grants and funded mandates. While the Feds are prevented from directly meddling in state programs such as education, they can avoid the problem by attaching strings (such as No Child Left Behind) to any grants they choose to lavish on state governments.

      No state is required to abide by NCLB or “Race to the Top” unless they accept the Federal funds. Nor are such things as Affirmative Action enforceable unless states sign on the dotted line for the $$$. It’s a greed-based thing, whereby no state wants to avoid sharing in the redistributed wealth when other states are benefitting from it.

      But even on the surface it’s unconstitutional, since it amounts to apportionment of funds in a very skewed fashion to benefit some over others. It has resulted in dependence of schools and municipalities upon the Federal teat, but those cows are coming home now as we see the Federal money drying up.

      The profligate spending on public sector union pay and benefits in years past has created future liabilities that can not be met. A parallel situation in the private sector was the bankrupting of GM by the unions.

  • COAL MINER

    Vigilant,
    You still haven’t answered my Question.Can you speak Latin?
    Translate this for me.

    Haec erant opiniones maxime veteres Christiani dicitur Gnostici.
    Gnostici et posuit creator Angelorum factus est

    humani generis princeps mundi, et quod stultum. Hoc princeps vulgo “PROCREATOR.” Deus non esset. Sed praestet creator ineptus. In Gnosticam et creationist factiones dissentiebant acriter de origines. Gnostici crediderunt quod universi erat a misellus errorem, quia est a stulti PROCREATOR et MENDOSUS angeli. In alia manu,creare accepit litterae veritatem Genesis I, et ergo servetur quod universi est a perfecta Dei.

    • Vigilant

      You obviously have me confused with someone who gives a damn. No, I don’t speak Latin. Do you speak English?

      I’ll bet you feel a whole lot better now, don’t you? What a maroon!.

  • Nancy

    If both parents are to be AMERICAN . Is both of Romneys parents american born. I heard his father was born in Mexico. Thats not America.

    • Homer

      The Constitution requires that a presidential candidate have been born in the US. It is silent regarding the birthplace of his parents.

      However, George Romney, his father, ran for president and no one questioned his eligibility at the time. The argument in his favor was that, although not born in the US (he was born in Mexico), his parents were American citizens and he was, by law, an American citizen from birth.

      This fact does not seem to meet the literal requirement, however. I think we need to clarify the requirement one way or the other.

      • COAL MINER

        I agree.

  • Patriot Semper Fi

    Anybody ever look up Anthony Johnson and Chattel Slavery ? Very interesting read about who actually made slavery a legal institution in America and you might be surprised. Wikipedia Anthony Johnson and slavery in America . So many lies are and have been taught in our schools its sickening I don’t know why anybody would want their child in one from pre-k to college . A presidential Candidate has to be born a US citizen and as John McCain found out both parents have to be Naturalized citizens for their child or children to be a citizen. This crap about people having baby’s here makes them a citizen is a lie . Also being born even in the US with only one naturalized parent doesn’t qualify you as a citizen either Why if that were true wouldn’t Foreign Ambassadors and Dignitaries have that right also ,but they do not . A famous quote by Stalling a communist I believe it was .He said give me one generation of your youth and I can change the way a whole country thinks .

  • One American

    To my brothers and sisters of America, I have this to say, open your eyes and ears. Listen to your heart and clear your mind, for once what was ours is slowly disappearing. We can sit idly by and just reminiscence of times past, talk to one another in disgust or anger as to what is happening around us, forward emails of political discourse with our personal thoughts and feelings or we can just come together in large numbers at the polls and cast our vote but what has happened to our origins, ancestry and beliefs. That we would be the land of the free and home of the brave and fight for that freedom and beliefs, no matter what the cost may be and always under the eyes of God for it is “In God We Trust” as our forefathers stated in our Constitution and which was placed on our currency as a reminder, not to mention within our courts and Federal buildings. What happened to our America? We are all silently watching it slip away and forgetting all the blood and tears that were shed to make America what it was. We are letting just a few be the majority in this Country and chip away at the foundations of what made America great. When one person or even a few people can change the way we live our lives through laws that are passed on their behalf, then what has happened to the land of the free and the democracy that the majority shall persevere to win or overcome. Shame on you that have taken what our forefathers that drafted and signed the Constitution, completely out of context and then turn it around to be in line with your own political ideology or personal beliefs. Shame on us for letting you do so. The past can be overcome and forgotten but not the history of this great Nation which is what made America and we the people who we are. Accept it or move on for those of you that want to change our liberties and the very principles that the Constitution was based on such as you, the ACLU which in my opinion is nothing more than a bully against true Americans with your own agenda within the boundaries of this great Nation and you, the single individuals or small groups compared to the majority of us that want to force your beliefs, change the laws and interpret the Constitution the way it best suits your needs. To hell with what the majority of Americans want or believe in and to the very values and principles that are the foundation of our Constitution.

    Where is my Country? I can say this is not the America I was raised and grew up in. We had prayer at the start of each school day when I was a kid until June of 1963 when the Supreme Court upheld the argument of the atheist Madelyn Murray O’Hare and promulgated an edict with ramifications so widespread it insured that God would be evicted from public society across the entire spectrum of the American governmental system to this day. From that day to this, not only has prayer been outlawed, God’s very name has been declared anathema to the United States Constitution, and forbidden to be mentioned in any federal, state, county, city or municipal context. Not just prayer is forbidden in the public forum but display of the cross is forbidden. The Ten Commandments are forbidden. The Bible is forbidden. Nativity plays are forbidden. Even the mere mention of the names “God” or “Jesus” in schools are forbidden. More than that, anything even suggestive of those names is forbidden. Look at what one person did to America and we the people. Now in schools they can teach that homosexuality is okay but you can’t use the word God or pray there. You cannot put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas and have you not noticed that most advertisers on television now say Happy Holidays not Merry Christmas just as their employees are asked to do in their retail stores or business because it might offend someone. They want to use a human fetus for medical research because it is wrong to use an animal and PETA fights for their rights. It is okay to kill an unborn child but it is cruel and unusual punishment to execute a convicted murderer. Our taxpayer dollars run up into the millions to rehabilitate criminals but hardly nothing goes to the victims. Congress lies to us and it just politics as usual but if we lie to them it is a felony, they will have good health insurance the rest of their lives and basically the same annual pay the rest of their lives as they have while in office but we the people want, yet we will pay for theirs through our taxes. The government takes money from those of us that work hard and wants to take even more to give it to those who don’t want to work, that have stolen from us, that live beyond their means and don’t know how to use birth control. We are racist if we don’t like a black person but if they dislike a white person it is their 1st Amendment right. Freedom of speech is still allowed if it is politically correct. Kids are not parented no more and rarely do you see them outside playing because both have been replaced by video games, the internet and cell phones. In 2003 it was stated that there were close to 20 million illegal aliens in America and we are still unable to close our border but they have no problem protecting South Korea from North Korea at their borders. What once was the land of opportunity, our government has made into the land of handouts. We enable through our actions, for professional athletes to make millions upon millions of dollars a year to play a sport but hardly anything at all goes to the educators, policemen and military of this Country. Our government sends billions of our taxpayer dollars overseas but neglects to help those in true, honest need on it’s own doorstep. And I am not talking about giving handouts.

    I felt compelled to say what I typed here because even as it is said that actions speak louder than words, words get actions started. You know there is page upon page that could be typed here with what we the people are doing or not doing, what our elected officials are doing or not doing, what our government is doing or not doing but the reality is that it all comes down to us to act. This is not from just one citizen of America running his mouth, trying to incite or forward half truths. This is from an American that cares and has concern for the Country he was born and grew up in, which he calls his home and works hard to pursue the American dream that we all do. I personally lost everything over 3 years ago that I ever worked for as result of the economy and the passing of a loved one. Now more than ever, I am in strong pursuit of the American dream without looking back and nothing will hold me back nor will I sit complacently and idly by anymore and watch America destroyed by a few. The bottom line is that it’s up to us. I am just a small part of 1% of this great Nation. Let us take America back. When is enough, enough?

    What is happening to our America has not just taken place over time but is taking place right now too. We all talk, we are good at it but actions from us hardly ever come or made until what, it is too late. Look at what our present President did. He took action in 2008, being articulate in speech he said what Americans, not all of us though, wanted to hear. “CHANGE” which more or less was based on his beliefs and what he believed the people wanted to hear and knew they would run with to the polls. Ask yourself this and see if your answer resonates with what is answered here, Where has it gotten us? Nowhere besides bigger government; What has it done for us? Debt, taxes and the failure of our system; How has it changed us? Frustrated, angry and anxious; When will it happen? It has and continues to move in that direction and it is called Socialism; Who is to blame? We the people are along with our leaders; Why? Because most in this nation are trustworthy of it’s leaders, we believe the lies or just don’t see the truth, some are just uneducated or misinformed, some of us our counter productive, some of us feel the government owes them, some cannot make their own decisions or choose, some of us just don’t take action and some just don’t care or believe. I am not a Socialist or a Progressive, I believe in the Creator/God/the Universe, I believe in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, I believe in the Pursuit of Happiness, Freedom, Justice and Liberty for all and I believe in America the land of the free and home of the brave. So I say to all you with true sincerity, compassion and empathy that we not just let our actions take place at the voting booth on election day but in every aspect of our lives within this great Nation, our America! Let us the people take America back, it is never too late and it certainly would make our ancestors and forefathers very proud. I can do it, You can do it, We can do it.

    Honestly that would be true, unadulterated CHANGE!

    Sincerely,

    One American

  • COAL MINER

    Yep!

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  • Taxpaying American

    Chip Wood is one of the many who stand to lose if Obama wins. Of course, he is all for keeping what he owes in taxes, but let the rest of the American people pay for his earnings.

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