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Obama’s 2nd Amendment Assault

July 6, 2011 by  

Obama’s 2nd Amendment Assault

Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) continues to peel back the layers of the U.S. inJustice Department’s conspiracy to send arms to Mexican drug dealers and use those gun sales as a pretext to impose stricter gun laws on the American people.

Grassley has told news agencies that high-ranking Justice Department officials were briefed on Operation Fast and Furious and Operation Gunrunner as early as October 2009. The two operations led to about 2,000 weapons crossing the border while agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives watched.

The operation came to light after ATF agent John Dodson blew the whistle following the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on Dec. 14, 2010. Guns that ATF had let “walk” across the border were found at the scene of Terry’s murder. They’ve also turned up at other crime scenes and have been used in the escalating drug wars going on in Mexico.

While his top agents were busy sitting on their hands and videotaping the sale of large quantities of weapons to Mexican drug dealers in U.S. border States that were then taken illegally into Mexico, President Barack Obama was speechifying that America needed to toughen its gun laws to prevent illegal arms from going to Mexico. And it’s growing more likely that Obama’s Attorney General, the racist and virally anti-gun Eric Holder, probably knew about the practice — and, at the very least, should have known.

You’ll be hard-pressed to find two people more anti-gun than Obama and Holder. Obama has been quoted as telling Sarah Brady of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence that he’s working behind the scenes to restrict gun ownership.

The scandal grows closer to Holder — and by extension to Obama — with every layer Grassley peels away. If it turns out that Obama knew about the operations — or endorsed them — that will be yet another impeachable offense Obama has committed that a feckless Congress can ignore.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    But they will ignore it because most of them are in bed with Big Government.
    The assault against our gun rights is coming rapid fire. It’s almost as if they’ve become frantic in their efforts.
    Something everybody should know:
    http://gunowners.org/a06302011.htm

    • DaveH

      For those who would like to help stop the UN Small Arms Treaty from gaining Senate confirmation:
      http://www.nationalgunrights.org/gun-activists-stop-un-power-grab/

      Get us out of the United Nations!

      • TIME

        Dave,

        Your dead on, if any of you all think that you will be allowed to keep your Guns, your as crazy as a loon, if you don’t make your stand NOW, you will never get a second chance!

        I grantee you that its now just a matter of TIME before the 2nd Amendment is simple rewritten to make it something its not.
        Barry is working on an Executive Order that will allow him to take not only your guns, but first by way of taking away your ability to buy Bullets! Then it will be the gun type, then all guns.

        Or 2nd Amendment was clearly written with the intent that
        ( If Government ever got to big and out of control, as in making laws that take away your Rights and Libertys, you still had the power to remove said Government.)
        Its never been about hunting little birds, nor anything else that the media by way of Political assaults of outright rhetoric have preverted this amendment to mean.

        The 2nd amendment has never been outdated, nor can it ever be outdated.
        As its a “SAFE GUARD” to protect the nations Libertys and Freedoms set forth within the Constitution and Bill of Rights from a Government that fails in its job. Or that becomes so BIG that the righs and Libertys and Freedoms of its citizens are over looked for personal gain of special interest.
        In plain words, this amendment was set up to protect you from this nation ever becomeing a Nazi Like state.
        To bad we have so many complete Ignorant idiots who pass of Citizens now. But that again comes back to the Government has over stepped its bounds in many other areas to bring about such perversions.

        People wake up.

        • NRA

          ( If Government ever got to big and out of control, as in making laws that take away your Rights and Libertys, you still had the power to remove said Government.)
          Its never been about hunting little birds, nor anything else that the media by way of Political assaults of outright rhetoric have preverted this amendment to mean.

          WE ARE THERE!

          • TIME

            NRA,
            Saddly and with a very heavy heart, I agree with you 100%.

          • eddie47d

            The ATF made an error in not following up on those gun transfers and deserves harsh words on this matter. Then again none of you want to admit that Fast and Furious proved that weapons were being funneled into Mexico. (long before this operation even began). You all demanded proof of what has been going on for decades and now you have it. The mistakes by the ATF only intensifies the debate and may or may not change the outcome. The Second Amendment needs to be protected and alot of you insist there should not be any gun laws. There is no factual reality to that way of thinking either. The majority of Americans support the Second Amendment. So you do have that in your favor. The majority of Americans also support strict gun laws.So work needs to be done in bridging that gap.

          • DaveH

            If you did any research at all, Eddie, instead of just flapping your lips at us, you would know that crime has gone down in the states which have loosened up their gun laws.
            http://mises.org/daily/2354

          • independent thinker

            “Then again none of you want to admit that Fast and Furious proved that weapons were being funneled into Mexico.”

            eddie, eddie, eddie, Fast and Furious happened because there was NO proof of any quantity of guns going to Mexico. The dealers were reporting the straw buyers to the BATF and were ordered to allow the sales to go forward anyway. The whole purpose of Fast and
            Furious and Project Gunrunner was to provide made up “evidence” that5 large quantities were crossing the border when in fact that was not the case.

            Besides it is illogical to think the Cartels to send Pedro across the border to purchase 20 semi-auto only AR-15s or AK-47s when for the same money they could get a couple of hundred or more full auto versions on the international black market.

          • eddie47d

            Stop being in such denial. If American made weapons have been found in Mexico even before this operation then someone up here is running those guns. I’m no fan of the other black marketeers either or even the ATF but please be a little more honest about what our side does.

          • jibbs

            eddie47d says:
            July 6, 2011 at 9:54 am
            The ATF made an error in not following up on those gun transfers and deserves harsh words on this matter. Then again none of you want to admit that Fast and Furious proved that weapons were being funneled into Mexico. (long before this operation even began). You all demanded proof of what has been going on for decades and now you have it. The mistakes by the ATF only intensifies the debate and may or may not change the outcome. The Second Amendment needs to be protected and alot of you insist there should not be any gun laws. There is no factual reality to that way of thinking either. The majority of Americans support the Second Amendment. So you do have that in your favor. The majority of Americans also support strict gun laws.So work needs to be done in bridging that gap.

            +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
            Eddie, as always, you insert your foot! You don’t have a clue do you? You and Karolyn seem to be the same person, you say sh(t just so you can move your lips and start bs.
            Check out “The Dick Act of 1902″ and
            http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.0/Gun-Facts-v6.0-screen.pdf

          • independent thinker

            eddie the number of weapons bought in the US and carried into Mexico is negligable compared to the numbers brought into Mexico by the cartels that are purchased on the black market. Besides I have never heard anyone claim there were NO guns purchased in the US and taken to Mexico.

          • JeffH

            eddie the repeating parrot, because they said it,(MSM, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Brady) and I’ll keep repeating it no matter what is true or un-true. Remember gun show loopholes? Straw purchases? All left wing anti-gun rhetoric but still a part of the repeaters arsenal.

            This delusional arguement by eddie has been refuted, proven wrong, proven to be a clear assault on the constitutinal rights of the citizens of the United States of America. Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner were clearly uncovered as a government sanctioned scam to garner support for increased gun control.

            President Obama’s Justice Department is trying to deflect responsibility over decisions in the Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious investigations, which are being spearheaded by House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican, and Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican. Issa released new Project Gunrunner documents, including an approved wiretap application bearing Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer’s name. Though Breuer didn’t sign it, his Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG), Kenneth Blanc, did.

            Through Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious, ATF essentially allowed American guns to be “walked,” or trafficked via “straw purchasers,” into Mexico. Two dead Border Patrol agents were likely shot with weapons ATF allowed into Mexican drug cartels’ hands. Justice officials were tracking two AK47s found at the scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s death. Federal officials charged three Mexican nationals with Terry’s murder late last week, but Issa said the good news doesn’t lift Attorney General Eric Holder and the rest of the DOJ off the hook.

            “The Justice Department hasn’t said how and why guns purportedly being tracked and monitored by federal law enforcement officials as part of Operation Fast and Furious ended up in the hands of Agent Terry’s killers,” Issa said in a statement. “It angers me to think that this death might not have occurred had it not been for reckless decisions made by officials at the Department of Justice who authorized and supported an operation that knowingly put guns in the hands of criminals. For these officials to imagine that this operation would result in anything other than a tragic outcome was naive and negligent.”

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/09/doj-deflects-gunrunner-fast-and-furious-blame-to-local-officials/#ixzz1RLTJAeaS

          • Eddie47d

            It’s good to be passionate about rights and causes but being in denial about weapon transfers to Mexico …well keeps you in denial.

          • TIME

            This is a fact, if one wants fully auto guns Columbia would be the go to place and did I note CUBA for dirt cheep AK’s…. And who can forget CHINA, yea they are so not into gun sales to like minded political types.

            In fact most guns used in Mexico by the alledged cartels have been acquired in Columbia, straight from CHINA shipped in to order.

            Now who is thats in Da~NILE, oh yea – eddie 47.

            You all know the guy who tries to toss the standard worn out old BS story as TRUTH. Want to toss out the old tired and worn out Gun Show BS as well?
            What the hell is wrong with you, are you really that brain dead or is it that you so enjoy being a pain in peoples ass’s.
            You tell us as your post are day after day little more than out right total Bull Sh*t.

          • independant thinker

            “It’s good to be passionate about rights and causes but being in denial about weapon transfers to Mexico …well keeps you in denial.”

            eddie you are the one in denial. No one has said there are not a few guns going to Mexico from the US but it has been proven that the US gun shops are not the supplier of weapons for the cartels.

          • JeffH

            independant thinker, you are correct in that the greatest majority of the small arms going into Mexico from the US were legally purchased and carried in for personal protection by Mexican immigrants.

            Why would the cartels and crime families buy a few semi-auto rifles or pistols at full price in Texas or Arizona when they can purchase full auto weapons and military hardware, in bulk, a lot cheaper from gun runners on the black market?

            Mexico Arrests ‘La Familia’ Drug Cartel Leader Jose de Jesus Mendez Vargas, aka El Chango or the Monkey…Who’s Also a BATF Gun Runner…

            The drug cartel lieutenants suspected that he was working for the U.S. Government, and in fact, he turned out to be the point man for the BATF’s notorious drug-running program known as ‘Operation Fast and Furious.’ Mendez Vargas’ organization purchased (from BATF agents) a .50 caliber Barrett rifle that shot down a Mexican Federal Police helicopter last month in his neighborhood in Apatzingan, Michoacán. His neighborhood is, coincidently, next to a military base. Since the word on the street was that Mendez Vargas was involved in the BATF’s drug-running program, his Gulf Cartel and Sinaloa Cartel colleagues began to abandon him.
            http://deadlinelive.info/2011/06/22/deadline-live-exclusive-mexico-arrests-%e2%80%98la-familia%e2%80%99-drug-cartel-leader-was-also-batf-gun-runner/

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Your ears are bookends to a vacuum. What amazes me is that somebody as ignorant as you will hang around here making regular comments as if you have some valuable input. You don’t.

          • Eddie47d

            Dave of coarse wants the opposition to leave so he can pump up everyone else with his side of the story. Go live in your Twilight Zone with that arrogance for that would only make you a Kim Jung puppet master.

          • Jay

            eddie:Dave of coarse wants the opposition to leave so he can pump up everyone else with his side of the story. Go live in your Twilight Zone with that arrogance for that would only make you a Kim Jung puppet master.

            Interesting that you refer to yourself as the “opposition”, and rightly so. As for Dave pumping us up with his side of the story, that, is simply false. If anything, Dave provides links to sources while at the same time encouraging us to make up our own minds. On the other hand, the only thing you seem to be able to offer is accusatory rebuttals, personal attacks, and most certainly no sources to back up your insane and convoluted fantasies! It seems you are the one living in the twilight zone as Kim Jung’s mini-me!!!

          • JeffH

            Jay…and you were being nice! :)

          • eddie47d

            Something you’ll never accomplish Jeff. (being nice) Jay seems to be another complete idiot but a very nice i41.

          • JeffH

            …anyone else hear that bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

          • SiliconDoc

            ” eddie47d says:
            July 6, 2011 at 11:07 am
            Stop being in such denial. If American made weapons have been found in Mexico even before this operation then someone up here is running those guns.”

            A big IF for you eddie47d, as your evidence is a big fat zero and a question mark, but nonetheless, let’s go with it. Let’s see, before obama was the top warlord gun runner to the cartels, along with his secret CIA and paramilitary trained foreign forces…
            http://deadlinelive.info/2011/06/22/deadline-live-exclusive-mexico-arrests-%E2%80%98la-familia%E2%80%99-drug-cartel-leader-was-also-batf-gun-runner/
            also ” DEADLINE LIVE EXCLUSIVE – Captured Zeta Leader: We’ve purchased weapons from the “U.S. Government itself”
            July 6, 2011 ”
            http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/06/deadline-live-exclusive-%E2%80%93-captured-zeta-leader-we%E2%80%99ve-purchased-weapons-from-the-%E2%80%9Cu-s-government-itself%E2%80%9D/

            Enjoy those eddie47d, the news that’s unfit for obama to print ala the msm.
            As I was saying, before your Ozero became .50 cal murder master of Mexico, who would have been running those imaginary guns you know existed to Mexico…. ?
            Who eddie47d ?
            Did you say… the gangs and dopeheads of the democrat party and their crim paramours in power ?
            ding ding ding ding….. !
            —-
            Thanks for playing eddie47d – so since it always goes all the way to the top as you libs taught the world for 8 years, when does obama go to prison for life, do we have to wait until he is removed after the impeachment or can we strip him of all assets and incarcerate first, I ask since you libs know that the Living and Breathing Constitution must change with the times – and we’ve got a lot of dopey change right now – hence I say strip him of everything and prison, then you libs can prosecute and convict !

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, thanks for the links, and TIME you’re right on.

        • Dan az

          Time
          For the Left, Founding principles aren’t about Freedom or Liberty, Founding principles are about keeping slaves and maintaining an environment where minorities cannot rise in society; in the Left’s convoluted thinking, patriotism is racism, and private gun ownership somehow threatens the minority’s upward mobility.

          Left-wing philosophy declares that minorities are too stupid and incapable to rise in American society without government aid, and private gun ownership is a threat to government’s omnipotent power, and government needs omnipotent power to insure freedom loving Americans “toting guns” won’t try and stop all the good and altruistic works the benevolent government ventures on behalf of the poor.

          • LuluBelle

            Dan, you need to bone up on your American history. The Founders were anti-slavery, and this fact would be evident to you if you read their own writings. They considered it an abomination that a man would “own” another man, regardless of color. Do some homework before you repeat something you’ve heard and accepted without question and without doing your own research and forming your own opinions. It’ll pay off for you and for everyone with whom you come into contact.

          • DaveH

            Lulubelle,
            You need to reread Dan’s comment. He was talking about the Left enslaving the majority of the citizens with their thieving policies, including those who are economically illiterate and thus don’t understand that those “helping hands” are really suppressing them.

          • Dan az

            LULU
            In the Left’s convoluted thinking, patriotism is racism, and private gun ownership somehow threatens the minority’s upward mobility.
            I don’t understand where you would of come up with that!

          • BigBadJohn

            Dan, I am not sure if your portrayal of the intentions is accurate, but the outcome certainly is.

            Many, many years ago, I sold real estate in the city of Detroit. I was selling to welfare and ADC mothers because they were easy sales. The more dependent children a mother had the nicer the home she could buy – ON YOUR TAX DOLLAR. I had a “family” Grand mother, mother, 10 kids and they were excited when the 15 year daughter got pregnant – they could buy a bigger house!

            The whole welfare/Aid to Dependent Children program HAS enslaved whole generations to to government hand outs. It has also destroyed the family unit in the ghettos, only single mothers get the big hand outs. I don’t know if this was done intentionally or if it was good intentions gone bad.

          • DaveH

            I doubt they were intentionally spoiling those people, John. I think the politicians’ main focus is on buying votes from those people who become dependent on them.

        • Dan az

          Time
          I think that this link shows the time line and corruption that this administration has to forward their agenda,But and a very big BUT they are about to lose this one and hopefully they can nail obumer and holder on this.http://tinyurl.com/3spbed3

          • JeffH

            Brother Dan, great link.

          • Dan az

            Hey bro
            I see the light at the end of the tunnel!Even Houdini couldn’t wiggle his way out of this one! :)

          • TIME

            Dan,
            Great link.. Thanks dude!

          • Dan az

            The thing that bothers me is that he may jump the gun on this one and invoke marshal law ahead of time,check this out:
            An Obama executive order that creates a council of state governors who will work with the feds to expand military involvement in domestic security, together with PDD 51, a Bush era executive order that gives the President dictatorial power in times of national emergency, eliminate the last roadblocks to declaring martial law in the United States.

            The new order, which is entitled Establishment of the Council of Governors (PDF), creates a body of ten state governors directly appointed by Obama who will work with the federal government to help advance the “synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States”.

            The governors will liaise with officials from Northcom, Homeland Security, the National Guard as well as DoD officials from the Pentagon “in order to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State governments,” according to the executive order.

            The exective order combines seamlessly with Presidential Decision Directive 51 to hand Obama dictator status in times of declared, and not necessarily genuine, national emergency.

            In May 2007, former President George W. Bush sparked much alarm by openly declaring himself to be a dictator in the event of a national emergency under provisions that effectively nullify the U.S. constitution, but such an infrastructure has been in place for over 70 years and this merely represented a re-authorization of martial law powers.
            Finish reading this article here:http://www.infowars.com/pdd-51-new-executive-order-give-obama-dictator-power/

          • DaveH

            Great find, Dan. Thanks.
            I knew what they were up to as soon as I heard Obama’s speech 2 years ago. The Clintons were doing the same thing with Ruby Ridge and Waco. The sleeze-balls will do anything they can to take our guns away so they can then push the rest of their Liberty-robbing schemes on us.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – Great links.

            I’ve been reading the most incredible book (Apollyon Rising 2012), which reveals an amazingly detailed look into the occult workings of the NWO elite, which goes way back in history. It also give us understanding of why they choose the times, places and events that shape governments and mass thinking. This is information that has never been revealed to us before.

            11 is considered to be an ominous number, as in the 11th hour. It is the last chance to stop an emergency (as 911, 9/11). It is also considered to be a gateway between pillars (or towers), and there three gateways (11, 11, 11). They’ve already taken us through two of them. That is why we need to beware of 11/11/11. Three sets of 11s is 33, the final degree.

            You’ve no doubt heard the warnings about the fall of 2011.

            The symbolism that is everywhere has been lost on the uninformed (or, as they refer to us, the uninitiated). Once we learn what that is, the codes that they use to communicate openly without us ever having a clue, we begin to understand where all of this is really going, and why.

            We are at the 11th hour. I’m afraid that we may act too late.

          • Christin

            Dan az,

            Wow, very enlightening… thanks for the link… will forward on to others.

            How is it that there are so many lies and broken laws BY OUR leftist LEADERS and no liberal heads are falling…

            It’s not fair they are getting away with ALL this stuff…

        • Rick Childers

          The beauty of the second ammendment is, you don’t need it until they try to take it.

          • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

            I KNOW A ENTHUSIASTIC GUN OWNER, WHO HAS 15 RIFLES, SHOTGUNS AND AUTOMATIC PISTOLS–HE HAS BOUGHT THEM PRINCIPALLY FROM OTHER GUN OWNERS. HE HAS SEVERAL HUNDRED ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION FOR EACH. ONLY ONE OF HIS 15 WEAPONS IS REGISTERED, A GLOCK, 9MM 15 SHOT SEMIAUTOMATIC.

            IF THE CONSTITUTION IS CAST ASIDE, GOD HELP THE AGENT(S) WHO COME TO TAKE AWAY HIS GLOCK. MY FRIEND THE GUN OWNER SAYS THAT AT LEAST 150 MEMBERS OF HIS UNLISTED GUN CLUB HAVE MORE WEAPONS THAN HE DOES. THIS MAN IS A VERY QUIET CHRISTIAN GENTLEMAN– BUT HE SEE’S ANY GROUP THAT WOULD TRASH THE CONSTITUTION AND COME FOR HIS ONLY TOOLS OF HIS FAMILY’S PROTECTION IS AN EMISSARY OF SATAN HIMSELF.

            THE NRA IS A GOOD GROUP BUT I ONLY KNOW THEM THROUGH COMPANION SPORTSMEN. THEY CITED A WWII HIGH LEVEL JAPANESE OFFICER WITH AN EXTREME FEAR OF HAVING TO OCCUPY AMERICAN SOIL: “THEY WILL HAVE A GUN BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS.” THE RADICAL AMERICAN LEADERS WHO LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING ALL THE USA CITIZENS SLAVISHLY MARCH IN AND DROP OFF THE ONLY TOOLS ENABLING THEM TO DEFEND AGAINST A RAGING MOB–OR A TYRANNICAL DOMESTIC GOVERNMENT– HAD BETTER CONSIDER SUCH AS THE SHORTEST PATH TO AN REVOLUTIONARY UPRISING. FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE.

        • Jay

          If I were to select a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today, I would pick BATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms].

          – U.S. Representative John Dingell, 1980

      • Handyman

        Get out of United Nations (a Communist group)

        • Harold Olsen

          The UN is not just Communist, they are pro-terrorist. We should get out of the UN and give them just six months to find a new headquarters in some other country. After that, void the diplomatic immunity of all delegates but those members who are this country’s true friends.

    • Dons621

      Big Government!!!! Translation Crooked Politicians. Any Politician that is not Following the Constitution is guilty of many swindle,s in the past.

      He must TOE the line or barry will RAT him out. Remember it takes at least 2 to make a crooked deal. After 50 -60 years of raping the TAXPAYER.

      They ALL have committed many crimes so Blackmail is easy for barry to threaten the GOP congress with the closer we get to 2012 the more we will see more of

      “I am retiring to spend more time with my Family”. What they mean is to SPEND the MONEY I ripped off from the TAXPAYERS.

    • EddieW

      That Terrorist, that had lunch with the Secretary of the Army, discussing plans to get our guns…then he went to the middle east, gave himself a phony name, put up a youtube asking all Muslims to buy guns at flea markets, or gun shows, and use them to kill americans at shopping malls etc. Obozo, our Liar in Chief has a big hand in this!!

    • USAF VET

      What do you mean they are in bed with Big Government? They ARE Big Government. Holder, Obama, Biden, the Brady Center. They sure do like to circumvent our Constitution.

  • s c

    In a way, it’s too bad that we’re not in touch with Mama Earth. America and the world could benefit from a natural disaster that destroys the U N building.
    It’s really a field office for the U N. So, come on Mama Earth. Do your thing. While you’re at it, Mama Earth, Gore needs a healthy dose of comeuppance.
    As for any politician who toys with the 2nd Amendment, that’s a Pandora’s Box that retards don’t want to open – if they value their health. For now, we have a criminal administration in Washington that thinks it has the power of the law and the Constitution behind it. There’s a big difference between following the Constitution and selectively enforcing those parts of the Constitution that you like.
    Some people have to learn the hard way. That’s the difference between realists and space cadets who think they can pull the pin on a grenade and ‘toss it around’ with impunity.

    • Al Sieber

      sc, would you be talking about a major earth quake along the Hudson River fault under the UN building? that’s Mother Nature.

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        Or a nice size meteor would do the trick! :)

        • Al Sieber

          Now, that’s a good one, that could trigger a earth quake.

          • Think about it

            I hope the building is full ( of all so called leaders )

    • Kate8

      sc – That’s not a bad idea! Maybe we just CAN communicate with the Earth. She is our Mother! Call to Mama for help!

      It’s certainly worth a try.

  • LibertyJ

    Grassley is willing to fight for our 2nd Amendment, but not the 4th (http://www.thehawkeye.com/story/grassley-021011)? While I find the Obama’s administrations actions in this case to be criminal, I don’t think Grassley has a constitutional leg to stand on. We need a president that not only understands the constitution but acts accordingly, Ron Paul 2012.

    • Unkle Buck

      What Grassley wants to do is not lawful.The patriot act is already outside the constitution and this guy wants to make it law.

      GOD created life, and attached to life are “Unalienable Rights”. We tend to loose site of this fact. The Constitution was written to chain man close to these Rights in an attempt to keep him from his mischievous ways. We never ask people running for public office what they have to say about the constitution. We therefore end up voting for people who are ignorant of the document and why it exists in the first place,and “why it exists” is first and foremost. By knowing the “why”,we can better “preserve,protect,and defend” the Constitution, and through this document secure our Rights, from which comes Freedom and Liberty. Always remember: No law can grant you Rights nor Liberty, but is a tool to foster the securing of the same. Unkle Buck

      • independent thinker

        Unkle Buck………The Unpatriot act is law. It is in part if not in total unconstitutional but it is law until we can either get ti repeales or ruled unconstitutional not that I have any faith in either happening.

        • r.p.

          To repeal it would be to validate it’s constitutionality. It is not Constitutional. The only correct action to take would be to Nullify it. Why are not the States taking this action?
          “Making a law does not make it Constitutional or enforceable. It’s every patriots duty to disobey such laws”. I believe Oliver Wendal Holmes made this statement when he was a Supreme Court Justice. or maybe Daniel Webster.???

      • Vagabond

        Unkle Buck you are so right and spot on. it would be so nice if everyone would READ the constution at least once a month. in the case of the politicians they should read it three times a week. monday wednsday and friday,

  • Mark

    Holder needs to go in shame if not to jail. Obama needs to go too, hopefully very soon, also in disgrace.

    • Handyman

      Is there a possibility that one of those guns,our stupid, government sold) may be aimed at bozo the king? (by an illegal criminal?)
      Get rid of waste in government so we can close it down, it is worthless. Take the borders and close them. Stop foreign aid, stupid we are broke, and in debt! Cut Government and stop the EPA, WHO, and more!

      • Harold Olsen

        I doubt one of those guns are aimed at our America-hating fuhrer because I believe Operation Fast and Furious and Operation Gunrunner went exactly the way he wanted them to. I don’t believe ANY mistakes were made. Arm our enemies. Disarm our citizens.

    • Vagabond

      Mark they both need to go to PRISON along with at least 90%of the current regime at hard labor for a minimum of 30 years one day and one hour,

  • ED FOUTS

    SECOND AMENDMENT
    A NOTE TO OUR 535 CONGRESSMEN.
    WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: WE KNOW WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PLACED OUR SECOND AMENDMENT IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
    WE KNOW THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING”AS YOU SUGGEST
    FROM TIME TO TIME. ULTIMATELY WE KNOW ITS PURPOSE,WHICH IS AS
    STATED IN THE AMENDMENT ITSELF,
    THE SECURITY OF A FREE NATION, PLEASE DON,T FORCE US TO USE IT.

    • Handyman

      You understand Ed, the guns without restrictions is for the front lines to fight a government out of control, as we have now.

      • Handyman

        We are given the right to own property, that includes GUNS. Then to make it perfectly clear, we have the right to be armed. Theats us we the people, are to be armed so we can defend ourselves aginst the out of control government. when did you Grab someone who was travelling in your car as a passenger? (you have that right according to the government, because they would not do what they don’t expect you to do, by law?) Out of control! Do your great grand children know how much they owe because of stupid government?

        • Harold Olsen

          The Constitution guarantees a lot of things, but we are slowly losing them. We have a right to own property. SCOTUS took that away from us by saying our property can be taken away. The police aren’t supposed to enter our home without a warrant. The courts took that away recently as well. It’s only a matter of time before they take away our right to own guns. Our politicians, left and right, believe the constitution to be an illegal document. They only care about it when they find something it that can further their agenda.

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Remember Brian Terry!

    Quite apart from Obama’s (peace be upon him) impeachable offense of starting a war without congressional approval is the illegal, stupid, criminal, asinine alleged sting operation conducted by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, (ATF) under the auspices of Janet Napolitano’s Dept. of Homeland Security, apparently with her approval and now being protected by Eric Holder and the DOJ. The crap on this one is going to stick because no one in the hierarchy of the Federal Governments chain of command can claim that this amateurish scheme was hatched by professional operatives and not ordered by elite incompetents. Field Agents of the ATF warned of the consequences of this illegal operation but were, as is usual when elites know best, transferred, threatened or beat down to achieve their silence. The consequences, intended or not, was the death by murder of Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry, at the hands of Mexican Drug Cartel mercenaries into whose hands the ATF provided weapons that killed him were placed.

    I can see the panic and fear in ATF, DOJ and DHS now as Republican Congressman Darrell Issa of California is applying the screws to the lying, sniveling, finger-pointing incompetents who are supposed to run the Agencies. What is implied but not stated, yet, is that this gun providing sting operation to Mexican criminals, so they could allegedly trace the flow of weapons from American gun shows and illegal gun dealers to the cartels and thus close up those outlets that so freely arms the drug organizations, had a primary, more sinister motive. If you recall, the Chief Office Holder made a public speech last year, in an attempt to ramp up his anti- 2nd Amendment gun control measures and eliminate our rights to self-defense by stating as a fact that it was American guns flowing south arming those dangerous cartels. He didn’t have any evidence for that statement so it had to be manufactured for him through his elite cronies. This whole tawdry business was nothing more then an attempt by Obama (peace be upon him) to disarm America. And don’t forget the back door either with that hack Hillary and the UN.

    The ATF is led by a temporary acting director, Kenneth Melson, a recess appointee by the Chief Office Holder, who is totally without law enforcement experience meaning, he has never been schooled in what one can and cannot do according to the rules and I mean the US Constitution. Melson was briefed weekly on the status of the operation and even watched gun sales and transfers in real time on hidden cameras in cooperating gun dealers facilities.

    Apparently, Brian Terry wasn’t the first officer killed by weapons obtained through this sting operation. In February of this year, ICE Agent Jamie Zapata was shot to death by an ATF supplied weapon in Mexico City..

    And yet, there is still honor among Federal Police Officers. Three ATF agents became whistleblowers. One, Special Agent Dodson, had this to say: “I was involved in this operation, we monitored as they purchased hand guns, AK-47 variants, and .50 caliber rifles almost daily. Rather than contradict any enforcement actions, we took notes, we recorded observations, we tracked movements of these individuals for a short time after their purchases, but nothing more. Knowing all the while, just days after these purchases, the guns that we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico, we still did nothing, allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.” Remember Brian Terry! Remember, Freedom is the goal, the Constitution is the way. Go get ‘em!

    • Handyman

      Close the ATF, among others WHO, EPA…. and arm the citizens!

    • Dan az

      By George
      I think you would like to read this,It explains perfectly the mind set of the one that is in charge.And the lack of intelligence towards our military and oath that he has know clue.
      http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44604

      • 45caliber

        Just a thought. Oblama screwed up his oath of office so it was null and void. Supposedly later he repeated it in private but no one knows for sure…

        • Harold Olsen

          Unfortunately, Obama can not be charged with violating his oath of office since he never really took one. As you said, he screwed it up. Plus, he did not place his hand on the Bible when he took it and, being a Muslim, it meant nothing to him. And he IS a Muslim no matter what he and the brain dead media, including Fox, says. After all, on ABC is did say, “I’m guided by my Muslim faith.” A Christian would never make a slip of the tongue like that. Only a Muslim pretending to be a Christian would.

          • Kate8

            I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the oath he took in private was to something other than America and the Constitution.

            He probably took an oath to Allah on the Koran, or some occult oath to the NWO.

    • DaveH

      I don’t believe they were incompetent at all, George. I believe it was their intention in the first place to get as many guns as possible into Mexican criminal hands, so that they could back up their claim that most of the guns are coming from the United States.
      We are dealing with a lying, cheating, conniving administration that will do anything to take away our property and our rights.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, excellant, there is no doubt in my mind what the intentions were for Project Gunrunner and Fast and Furious.

      • Harold Olsen

        I agree. I believe Operation Fast and Furious and Operation Gunrunner went exactly as Obama wanted them to go. No mistakes made.

        • JeffH

          …except for getting caught for the whole scam…

    • independent thinker

      ” even watched gun sales and transfers in real time on hidden cameras in cooperating gun dealers facilities.”

      I doubt very much the dealers were “cooperating” It is my belief that they were coerced into providing the video just like they were coerced into letting the sales go forward.

    • Dan az

      The alleged coverup involves three law enforcement agencies: the ATF, FBI and the DEA, or Drug Enforcement Administration.

      According to sources, unbeknown to the ATF, the target of their operation was a FBI confidential informant, a fact that only became known to them in April of this year after an 18-month investigation that cost millions of dollars of tax dollars.

      “They were going after someone they could never have,” a source in Washington told Fox News. “The Mr. Big they wanted was using government money to buy guns that went to the cartels. The FBI knew it and didn’t tell them.”

      The confidential informant is a former high-level drug dealer who had been deported by the DEA. The FBI, however, recruited him as a counter-terrorism informant, providing information on potential dirty bombs or Al Qaeda suspects moving through the border region.

      The FBI informant was picked up on a DEA wiretap, and forwarded to the ATF.

      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/#ixzz1RMhmwl3v

      • Think about it

        All setup by the PINO, Hillary, DHS and the DOJ.

  • Jim

    Obama’s already given far more than enough ammo to We the People to see his sorry butt removed from office in handcuffs.

    Those in Congress AND the Supreme Court who refuse to do their jobs to get involved in making that happen should ALSO be led out of office in the same manner. After all, there ARE provisions in the Constitution for “giving aid or comfort” to any government officers who violate their Oaths…It’s listed under TREASON. This is over & above what the Constitution says about “high Crimes & Misdemeanors.”

  • Cawmun Cents

    Dont you find it funny that he claims”high ranking”officials knew about it but doesnt name them?Seems that if you wanted to launch an investigation that would get something done you’d name the people to provide impetus for true evaluation.Thats what they did to Nixon.Oh…I forgot…only Republicans get that type of media scrutiny.At least to the point of anyone saying or doing something about it.Lets see….the name JANET RENO comes to mind….but what do I know?Apparently very little.Violate posse commatatus,and you are the cats ass.The very best of people try to help others,right?Nobody will be named,unless the stigma of scapegaotism is attached to them.Then they will fall on the proverbial sword,releasing those who actually perpetrated a crime from liability.Conveniently,a witness will arise to point the finger of blame against someone who has little or nothing to do with what actually occured.Do you think that Grassley is that witness?It is possible.How do you make something look legitimate?Who can tell what the black science of politics will usher forth these days?We are living in trying times folks.Under harsh circumstances.Do you think that transparency has really happened as a result of electing Mr.Obama/Soetoro/Whatever?Not bloody-hell likely,mates.Fast and Furious should be the battle-cry for how we deal with ousting this adminstration in the coming election!Not for some half-assed try at proving a few citizens complicity with drug cartels.You buy them books and all they do is chew the covers off.-CC.

    • Handyman

      I am afraid that obozo might be in the sights of one of the ATF gifts given to criminals from South America!

      • Cawmun Cents

        Its been done before.JFK/Cuba….nuff said.

      • Tom SC

        Handyman, We can only hope!!!

      • Vagabond

        Handyman thats just wishfull thinking on the part of a hell of a lot of people,

        • Harold Olsen

          If it did happen, he’d then be praised as one of the greatest presidents of all time. Not just by Democrats, but Republicans as well. Look at how much that scumbag Ted Kennedy was praised by everyone after he died. He was called a great humanitarian. To me, he was nothing but a fat drunken slob. Obama is nothing but an America-hating, racist, anti-Semite, Nazi scumbag.

    • Gary D

      Oliver North dealing cocaine to fund adventures in San Salavador hmmmmmmm how shorth the American memory

      • Cawmun Cents

        The difference here is that they have pitted U.S.citizens against one another in the desire to hurry up the gun debate debacle.DOING THIS IN A FOREIGN NATION*(to wit the leftist vs.rightist seperatists of Nicaragua,El Salvador)IS ONE THING.Doing it here in America,to catch supposed cartel suppliers,by violating the law is well contemptuous,dont you agree Gary D?Or are you that short-sighted?-CC.

        • eddie47d

          Gun runners are the contemptuous ones and usually the curse of the world. Whether by governments or small groups.This has nothing to do with gun manufacturers for they are only making a product that people use. It’s those who buy the weapons and arm thugs,dictators,drug cartels and even “legitimate” government powers who wish to do harm on others.

          • Elevenarrows

            I have to take objection to your earlier statement that the majority of Americans support strict gun laws. What part of the country do you live in?! EVERYONE I know thinks the gun laws are unconstitutional. Do you have stats to support your statement?

          • DaveH

            Of course he doesn’t, Eleven.
            Facts? Eddie don’t need no dam facts.

          • Handyman

            Keep yoyr guns loaded.

          • Handyman

            Your guns loaded

          • eddie47d

            Huffington Post (Liberal) says 89% of Americans support strict laws. Personnel Liberty (Conservative) says 39%. CNN says 54% do. Rockawave.com says only 7% 0f Americans want weakened gun laws. Would that mean that 93% want them to stay the same? NY Times says 80% of gun owners agree to the 3 day waiting period.I have heard that before also. Now only 33% of Americans say that all handguns should be banned but that is quite high. The bottom line seems to be that gun laws are here to stay.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Perhaps you can forget the fruitless progressive class action suits of the Clinton era against the firearms manufacturers.Smith and Wesson gave in to the ACLU lawyers,and settled out of court,causing the demise of that brand at least in my eyes.The manufacturers were already guilty in the minds of the progressive lawyers.Now they are attempting to demonize the salesman.A technique which will lead to the attempt to legislate ownership.The dangerous slope of the mountain is coming soon.Limiting the supply of ammunition.-CC.

          • 45caliber

            I asked around here and found NO ONE wanted strict gun laws. Or any at all. But I live in Texas. Few in the South want them. The only person I ever talked to who did was a high school girl. Once she married a trucker who was seldom home she changed her mind and got one herself.

            California (and to an extent the West Coast) and New England are the real ones who prefer strick gun control. Add Chicago to the list. But most else do not.

          • independant thinker

            In my experience a lot of people want some gun laws but most think we have too many restrictions on gun ownership and as a result want fewer and less restrictive gun laws.

          • Eddie47d

            Anyone who wants to live in a nation without any laws must have ulterior motives. Sounds like a very dangerous place to hang out where you are at the mercies and whims of whatever the other person finds justifiable. Then you really have to worry about property rights and someone taking what is yours without laws to back you up.Having too many laws can also weaken a society and drive a person batty. That is why Americans are lucky in being able to challange any law and have redress on issues. Caliber seems to confuse our gun laws as not having the ability to purchase a weapon. With 290 million guns in America that argument falls flat on it’s face. If there are ever draconian laws put in place to take away your weapons you need to look no further than the boys who cry wolf all the time.You have harped on it for so long than no one will believe you anymore.

          • JeffH

            eddie says “Caliber seems to confuse our gun laws as not having the ability to purchase a weapon…..You(Caliber)have harped on it for so long than no one will believe you anymore.”

            I say eddie should look in the mirror, again.

            Who here believes 45Caliber over eddie?

            cast your vote now.
            Y = YES – a vote for 45caliber
            N = NO – a vote for eddie

          • JeffH

            Y

          • thinkingoutsidethebox

            Y

          • Dan az

            I vote Y
            We may have to give eddie two votes for when he comes back as karolyn.So eddie I have to ask were you born blind or did you just become blind say when you joined the union?

          • Eddie47d

            There’s Jeff crying wolf too, right along with the rest of the pack.

          • DaveH

            Y.

            And Eddie, why do you never provide references for your wild claims, so that people can read the articles in context, instead of your interpretations?

          • DaveH
          • Jay

            Y

          • Jay

            eddie:With 290 million guns in America that argument falls flat on it’s face.

            Actually, there are only 88 million registered gun owners in America. off course, that does not include the criminal element. One can certainly understand, therefore, why the attack on the 2nd amendment. It must me tough for the political gangsters to ply their business with so many armed civilians!

          • Dennis48e

            I vote Y

          • independant thinker

            I agree with the others. Y

          • Eddie47d

            Wake up Jay it is dinner time!!. I said 290 million weapons, not owners. That means that most owners have more than one weapon. Now do you comprehend. You are denser than Dave H.and about as full of it.

          • Jay

            eddie:Wake up Jay it is dinner time!!. I said 290 million weapons, not owners. That means that most owners have more than one weapon. Now do you comprehend. You are denser than Dave H.and about as full of it.

            Poor little Hitler mini-me gets so upset if anyone questions or contradicts him. Just take your medication eddie and flip-on msm, you will feel as good as rain in no time!

          • eddie47d

            Go chase after that bus Jay. woof,woof!!

          • Think about it

            Y

          • JLC

            Y

          • JeffH

            Not sorry to tell you this eddie, but the final tally is 9 – 0 in favor of 45caliber!

            That means there is unanimousus support in 45caliber’s believability over Eddie47D’s. Even your liberal brothers wouldn’t weigh in and vote for you.

            Q: Are you starting to “get it” yet?
            A: I doubt it!

        • Vagabond

          CC I dont think garey d is that bright,

      • 45caliber

        I wouldn’t push that story too hard after CBS had to admit it was all lies. They dropped that story fast when that came out. It only remains in the minds of those hunting reasons to dislike North and Reagon.

      • DaveH

        Why is it that Liberals just cannot grasp the concept that two wrongs don’t make a right?

        • Vagabond

          becaus most liberals aer STUPID Dave,

      • Harold Olsen

        I don’t ever remember hearing about North doing that. It doesn’t matter, though. I’ve always considered him a scumbag and a disgrace to the Marine uniform he once wore.

  • C130 Gunship

    No real news here folks, I think most of us know BS when we see, hear, or smell it. EriKKK Holder has all 3 qualities about him. For those who are interested, here’s a great time line of events of Operation Gunrunner:http://tinyurl.com/3spbed3

    So, there’s approximately over 300 million guns and over 1 trillion rounds of ammo in the possession of freedom loving folks. 535 DC pricks are pushing the buttons of 300 million or more free gun owning people. –If I was one of those 535 pricks, I wouldn’t like those odds at all.

    • Al Sieber

      Good one Gunship, I’ll second that. the odds are on our side and they know it.

      • Handyman

        Keep your guns loaded and powder dry!
        God Blessed America, where freedom rings!

      • 45caliber

        And that’s why they want to disarm the citizens. And retrain the police and military to obey orders regardless of what those orders are, such as “Shoot anyone who protests what I’m doing.”

        • Elevenarrows

          Yeah…remember New Orleans?

        • Harold Olsen

          Here in Seattle there HAS been an increase in Seattle PD’s Gestapo tactics, including beating up and killing innocent citizens and not being prosecuted for it.

    • Elevenarrows

      In our area, we’ve had trouble finding ammo for awhile now. I know there was a rush to buy up when acting-president Obama was elected (some of us actually researched his voting record) but I find myself wondering if the lack of available ammo is really “supply vs. demand” or if it is contrived like our need for foreign oil.

      • independent thinker

        I get my ammo thru mail order sources and the only thing I have had a major problem getting is 32 ACP. There have been short delays (a week or two) in getting some of my other needs but the 32 ACP is the only one with a significant delay.

        • jibbs

          Wal-mart by us has gobs of .32 ACP. I bought them by accident thinking that they were .32 LC

          • independent thinker

            As much as I abhor shopping there I might have to try them next time.

      • Dan az

        Hey Elevenarrows
        Try cheaper than dirt.It can be sent to your door by fed ex and ups.

        • Dennis48e

          Sportsmans Guide and Natchez Trading also. Brownells has started carrying some ammo but I have not investigated their prices.

          • independant thinker

            I have used Sportsmans Guide and they will backorder an item they are out of and do not charge you for it until it is shipped. If it takes an extended time to get it they will contact you and ask if you want to keep it on backorder or cancel the order.

        • Elevenarrows

          Will do. Thanks. I do worry about that weight running up shipping costs, though.

          • Dan az

            Don’t because the price of gas is still higher than the cost shipped!

        • BigBadJohn

          try
          Dick sporting goods, for my rifle they were the same price as cheaper than dirt.

      • jibbs
      • JeffH

        I also shop heavily online for ammo and have found excellant deals. I have to stock up as much as I can before California cuts off online purchases. California AB962 was signed by Arnie but eventually overturned in court.

        Try USA ammo. Just p/u 500 rounds of 115gr fmj 9mm target for under $10.00 a box delivered.
        http://www.usaammo.com/

        • JeffH

          …new restrictive legislation is being heard today in the California Assembly as well as several others that seek to undermine the 2nd Amendment.

        • Dan az

          A 9mm? you are officially disowned,Turn your back an walk away even your mother if ashamed of you for owning a pee shooter!And I thought that you grew up to be a man that I could be proud of! :( can you see the tears of our family?Heartless thats what you are heartless! :)

          • JeffH

            :)…I do have some 158gr Black Talons for the .357 too, M855 green tips for my AR and multiple cases of steel and lead for my 12′s and 20 gauge. :)

          • Dan az

            OK you can come back now mom is smiling :)And BTW I love the black talons I keep a case of each.

          • Think about it

            Funny story, a friend of mine was going to buy a new very nice $1,800 .45 cal pistol, i ask him, how many guns go you have now, he replied, 15, i ask, do you have enough ammo for them, he replied that he had ammo for two of the guns, and that he didn’t want to shoot the other because they would be worth big money in 20 or 30 years from now, i replied back to him, so you have 2 guns and 13 clubs. He has since then purchased lots and lots of ammo, and no new $1,800 .45 cal pistol.

          • JeffH

            Think about it. that’s funny. This is no time for collecting “safe queens”, especially with no ammo.

        • JeffH

          Here’s another good online retailer for ammo.
          Palmetto State Armory
          http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php

          • Dan az

            Wow the prices of Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO sure has gone up.I paid 112 bucks for 1000 rounds of armor piercing rounds.I guess its time to start reloading the brass for every thing now at least its a little cheaper.

          • Al Sieber

            Well Dan, I paid $150 for 2000 thousand rounds of 223, and $250 for 1000rds. of .30 cal. carbine. for 7.62.39, I forgot. we have over 50 weapons here, because we collect them and that’s our right.

          • JeffH

            Al Sieber, that is a fantastic price on the .223′s. Brass or steel cased? Any still available?

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, steel cased, Wolf Ammo, none left now.

        • Elevenarrows

          Thanks for the tips. BTW, you’re welcome here in SC anytime you want to make a dash for freedom!

          • JeffH

            Elevenarrows
            Thanks, it’s just a matter of time for me.

          • Dan az

            Bro family first, your room is still here when your ready!I’ll have mom set the table for ya :)

          • JeffH

            Brother Dan, not to worry…I don’t think I could’ve handled the humidity and the hurricanes of SC anyway but it was a very nice gesture and much appreciated.

      • C130 Gunship

        Elevenarrows–Since I don’t know where you reside, here are my suggestions for ammo:

        WalMart
        BassPro
        Cabella’s
        cheaperthandirt.com-I’ve done business with them. Mail order available
        aimsurplus.com—-I’ve done business with them. Mail order available
        jgsales.com——-I’ve done business with them. Mail order available
        natchezss.com—–I’ve done business with them. Mail order available

        There are others covered by the other replies. I’ve done business with all the ones I’ve listed with nothing but positive results..Good luck!

        • 45caliber

          C130:

          I’ve done business with most of those. One problem with Cheaper than Dirt – they generally are out of at least one item I order so I have to order something else to recover that money send.

          I’ve found the BEST way to order is by telephone with a credit card. I ask if what I want is in stock. If not, I don’t order it. Then I get my complete order.

          I would suggest buying now from most shops before they start asking for id to buy.

          • C130 Gunship

            45caliber–I only live about 32 miles from Cheaper Than Dirt so when I place an order with them, I know in advance they have what I want B4 driving to Ft. Worth to fetch my purchases. Not an issue for me, fortunately.

        • Elevenarrows

          I have houses in NC and SC, but I try not to claim NC…they are going to you-know-where in a handbasket…(forgive my southern expression!)I have held my nose and shopped for ammo at local China-Marts, but they are always low on ammo. They insist they just can’t get it in and keep it. One employee told us that they were rationing it and that a husband and wife trying to buy would only be sold to once in a trip because they were the same household. Of course, we just enter the dept. alone and make a purchase and then send the other one end to do the same. Still, it does seem strange….

          Thanks for the help.

          • C130 Gunship

            Elevenarrows–Ammo shortage here in north Texas (Dallas, Denton, Ft. Worth) is a thing of the past for the last year and a half. I have never been told at WallyWorld that I could only buy a certain amount of ammo. They have a great variety of what I’ll call ‘standard’ calibers, never anything special like 7.62x54R, 10mm, or 450 Bushmaster, and many others. But, for the most part, any ‘standard’ caliber is usually available. It is important to note that if you are chasing ammo at WallyWorld, it pays to ask the days and time the ammo shipments come in so you can hopefully arrange to be there when it hits the shelves and buy your ammo before ammo hordes move in.

            Good luck Elevenarrows

      • 45caliber

        Eleven:

        Cabella’s has the cheapest .223 ammo I’ve found but you can’t reload it. They also have mail order.

        • Dan az

          45
          Why not? bad casings?

          • JeffH

            …steel casing’s…like Brown, Wolf, Herders(Cabelas). My AR despised the Russian Wolf steel cased but loves anything in brass whereas my Sig swallows anything I run thru it.

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, my Mini-14 handles Wolf .223 no problem, but not the Ruger #1.

        • JeffH

          Palmetto State Armory
          http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php

          USA Ammo.com

          I find Cheaper than Dirt, Cabelas, Natchez to have higher prices and high shipping costs which are to be considered. If you search enough like I have done, there are some pretty good online vendors. Whenever I get ready to purchase ammo, I purchase bulk/case when possible and shop online like heck. Also, there are some great deals to be had in proven quality reloads and once shot brass.

          • Dan az

            Hey did you know that our military once shot brass was being sent to china now?I didn’t believe it until I read it somewhere.I wonder who’s bright Idea that was?

          • JeffH

            Brother Dan, I believe that idea has been blocked for now and spent military brass is once again offered and available to the “reloading” market here in the US. Here is some text on that issue.

            Rep. Brad Ellsworth Introduces Amendment to Address Resale of Once-Fired Small Arms Cartridge Cases
            NRA/ILA – Wednesday, May 19, 2010

            Fairfax, Va. – Today, by a unanimous voice vote, an NRA-backed amendment was added to the House Armed Services Committee’s National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 5136-passed the House May 28, 2010) that will ensure serviceable and once-fired small arms cartridge cases are available for commercial sale.

            The Ellsworth amendment, offered by U.S. Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.), compels military bases to sell small arms ammunition and ammunition components intact – meaning not demilitarized for scrap – as long as these items aren’t “unserviceable or unsafe.”

            “Serviceable and safe military spent brass cases should be made available for commercial sale, because these cases are reloaded and developed for civilian use, and are a revenue source for military bases,” concluded the NRA/ILA Chris Cox.
            http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=13809

          • Dan az

            Thanks bro

            They had me worried for awhile,I knew there had to be someone with a brain in this cesspool,I had always considered it treason to arm another nation that could use it on us.

  • BEEYE

    If you will vote for this person again for president, you condone muder

  • don

    If this is tied to Obumma i hope to hell he is impeached. I’d bet Biden is anti gun also. maybe whoever is in line after Biden should take over. too bad more gun owner don’t join the NRA and vote. We’d be out of this mess of the great robbery of rights of the people and the destruction of our money as bad as it is. Get rid of the biggest spender and robber of america peoples rights. Go online and check out the Obama deception. I loaded it on several discs. I’ve had a few people say someone made it up.I watched it and it was sickening.

    • C130 Gunship

      don….’Hope’ is neither a good strategy or birth control methodology!

    • 45caliber

      don:

      The passage of the top title goes to the vice President, the Speaker of the House, and then to the Secretary of State. I don’t remember who is next in line. It continues down to the lowest and newest Representative and probably further down than that. And nearly every one of them believe they (not we) would be far better off if the citizens were disarmed. Then they could do as they wish without worrying about the citizens getting upset about it.

      • Dan az

        45
        Can you just imagine if boner got it or even worse billary?2012 cant come soon enough!

        • 45caliber

          How about Pelousy? I was scared to death that Oblama and Biden would die during his first two years.

          • Dan az

            :) The wicked witch from the west :)Now I must go wash my mind of that image!

    • DaveH

      Even if he were impeached by the House, Dan, the Senate would do nothing about it, just like when Clinton was impeached.
      We need to abolish the 17th Amendment so the Senators once again represent the States, rather than the Federal Government.

  • Ronald Bell

    When I hear Raise the DEBT CEILING, I hear MORE SPENDING, sorry I had to Shout, but the Congress and the Administration, are Deaf and Dumb,, add stupid to that and you get,the mess we are in, for the most part they have just been too long in the Dance, they nod wisely and speak stupidly, become drunk with power, TERM LIMITS, and let’s make Obama a one term RESIDENT, move him out.
    If you voted for Obama on 2008 to prove you weren’t a racist, you’d better vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot!!!

    • Gary D

      Well don’t U think that the Government is setting up these elections? Look at who we had to vote for in ’08 damn a nut from Az. or Obama, come people they are blowing smoke where the sun don’t shine if we let them.

      • DaveH

        Leaders love their power and perks, Gary. They and the MSM don’t want anybody in there that will upset their apple cart. That’s why they’re doing their best to marginalize Ron Paul.

    • 45caliber

      Ronald:

      Have you ever heard the term “political game”?

      To most of them it is a game – and you score points by trying to make the other side look bad. If it costs the tax payers money, well, who cares? They have plenty of it and it will gain us a point or two.

      I think most of those in Washington on both sides are so caught up in the “game” that they forget they are playing with real money and real lives. And like most people playing any game, they are friends.

    • Elevenarrows

      Anyone who is interested in supporting term limits needs to act upon that interest by connecting with Senator Jim DeMint (SC) who has been working to get term limits. You can go to his website or sign up at VoterFetch.com to make phone calls on behalf of term limits.

      • DaveH

        Term limits will be meaningless without educating the voters. And if we educate the voters, term limits will not be necessary.
        It all goes back to education. Instead of devoting energy to Term Limits, we need to devote that energy to getting the Government out of the education of our children. And I’m talking about Education Choice, not just School Choice. See here for the difference:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13078

        • Elevenarrows

          Not to sound overly pessimistic, DaveH, but I think educating the average American voter would be as hard as…well, as hard as trying to stop their handouts and freebies. If you look at the groups that put Obama in office, they are mostly ones that stood to benefit from his redistributing my wealth (and yours) to them. I think anyone living off the rest of us should not be allowed to vote…it is like Congress deciding whether or not to give themselves a raise! I agree with your basic premise that true education is needed, but I, personally, believe we are far past that option. The coyote is in the hen house and the hens can’t be educated to protect themselves against him.

          • DaveH

            If you think that’s hard, try getting politicians to limit their time in power.

  • Don Huaman

    How many times have we, the American people and the various political and government entities discovered impeachable offenses on the part of Obama? How many times has Congress declared their outrage at the Constitutional violations of the Obama administration? How many times has the Obama administration acted to the detriment of the American people? How many times has Congress, et al, backed down and done absolutely nothing? We have a classic Marxist style subversion of our political system going on right under our noses and nobody has the courage or fortitude to do anything about it. If Congress does not wake up and act, our country is lost, the chaos that will follow will set us back centuries.

    • 45caliber

      As the old saying goes, Congress is “all bark and no bite”. It is typical of an elderly hound that is of little use except to bark when a stranger goes by. And if the “master” – in this case the President – tells it to shut up, it obeys.

    • DaveH

      Rand Paul does. Ron Paul does. And there are a few others. But we need to wake up as voters, and put most of those Big Government Loving politicians out to pasture in 2012.
      The Republicans aren’t much better than the Democrats. We need to change that or give up on them.

      • Dan az

        Dave
        I think we should hold a poll right here and see how many people would vote for a patriotic conservative like Ron Paul!They must have researched his past records by now,and compared them to the CFR’s picks for the NWO.
        What say you all who is for Ron Paul and a libertarian congress?

        • DaveH

          I’m afraid, Dan, that we have a way to go before people wake up to the reality of Big Government. Most of us have had at least 12 years of brainwashing by the Propaganda Schools, and then a lifetime of MSM dumbing us down. It isn’t going to be easy. But I still think that Obama may be the best thing that ever happened to this country. That is, if he doesn’t succeed in eliminating us old-farts who can testify to how much better it was before Government got so Big. The wisdom and experience of our generation may well be lost if gradual Government growers like John McCain get elected.

  • Peter

    It is really quite simple…

    NO MORE PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS

  • iam

    This scandal is proof that we need to…DEFUND THE BATF. It is one of many Federal departments that we absolutely must get rid of.

    • Handyman

      We can and should close most of the stupid, Government ATF, give guns to our enemy? STUPID AND CAUGHT! PRIVATE INVESTIGATION MADE UP OF EVERY DAY CITIZENS WITH GUNS.

    • 45caliber

      iam:

      I agree. The BATF has outlived its usefulness – if it ever had one. I think a lot of the problem is that the BATF simply cannot justify its payroll unless it creates problems to “solve”. Just like the FDA, the EPA, the DoE, etc.

      • Handyman

        45 , you got that right. keep them loasded.

      • jibbs

        HIGH FIVE!!!

      • Isaac Davis

        You, Sir, have just figured out the entire workings of gov’t. Create the problem through legislation, and then campaign forever after on just how some new jackass is going to solve the problem in perpetuity. Nothing we face as a population of Citizen or resident (and there is a big difference) happened all by itself. The stage was set by politicians and bureaucrats to play into the hands of some who stand to gain on debasement of our Liberty and Freedom. Problems with budget, thank you woody wilson and the fed; problems with immigration, thank you “lbj” and Hart-Cellar; problems with the “aloha snackbar” crowd, thank you state department for middle east meddling; problems with nothing produced in America, thank you unions and taxation; problems with welfare and entitlements, thank you “lbj” and “mr. peanut”. The list is endless, and none of this just happened without morons who think they know better how to run everyone’s life than the sovereign individual.

        Calling it the “dept of justice” is an oxymoron. For a bit of a chilling adventure read: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sup_01_28_10_II.html

  • Gary D

    Well my opinion is that it comes down to this; It is the Government against the People, not Republicans and Democrats (one in the same against the people). If they get our guns then they have us where they want us. The right to keep and bear arms against a tyrannical government is what the constitution says. I think that the economic situation has been created to make it even harder for the people to get organized to combat the actions of the tyrannical government it has become.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Just the economic situation?More like the left-right situation,the white-minority situation,The have and the have nots situation,the patriotic versus the apathetic situation….the list grows everyday.United we stand,divided we fall.Up against the wall you red-neck seperatists.Just go along to get along and we wont have to KILL YOU!Yes…well,grabbing your guns is the surest way to have you by the short and curlies isnt it?”If you dont care who you are,then what do you care if they keep your testicles in a jar?”-CC.

    • Isaac Davis

      The First Ten Amendments are UNALIENABLE. They are not “given” to us by mortal man, but they are ours from the Lord Jesus Christ. No paper document gives you anything, and the only reason that the Founding Fathers put the Amendments in the Constitution was to remind the government who serve the governed that these God-Given rights are not theirs to meddle with and they cannot infringe upon them. Too many of us think that these rights are granted to us by the ink on the parchment, and this is what some of the Founders feared would happen to put them into writing. The Constituton merely spells out what is ours as sovereign individuals in this Republic. Our ignorance and complacency is our demise.

  • Handyman

    YOU CAN SURVIVE IN THE WILDERNESS! BUT STUPID GOVERNMENT IS NOT WHAT AMERICANS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, AND WE HAVE THAT(STUPID GOVERNMENT)!

  • BigBadJohn

    I think this article is looking at this issue with tunnel vision. The whole thing is not just about 2nd amendment but also about funding counter insurgencies.

    All the way back to the VN war, drugs, money guns and insurgencies were tightly intertwined. During VN there were a lot of stories about the CIA carrying drugs into the USA to fund the Cambodian rebels.

    The war on drugs in south America has also been about pumping money into and propping up governments.

    BOTH parties have done similar things. Reagan sold arms to the same terrorists that held Americans captive.

    So in this case, is it about attacking your second amendment rights or is it about creating justification to spend more money on the border patrol? Or is it about trying to control some rouge gun dealers that do sell arms to drug dealers and illegals? There have been some investigations and they found that gun dealer close to the border do not enforce the current laws and sell a majority of their guns across the border.

    Be careful how you interpret “scandals” this close to an election.

    • Cawmun Cents

      So…BBJ,how do you define scandal?Does someone have to kill your loved one with a gun sent across the border by our government first?Scandal is,as scandal does,I always say.But what do I know?Apparently very little.-CC.

    • http://republicwatchdog.blogspot.com/ Godfatherofblog

      You need to careful: You have an open mind so be careful and don’t let your brains fall out~!!! That is if you have any~!!!

    • DaveH

      The Government is just doing what they do best. First they create the condition, then they offer themselves as the solution to fix the condition. How convenient for them. We need to wake up to the fact that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution!
      The simple fix is to get rid of the Drug Wars. Just as ending Prohibition ended the violence in the early 1930s. I can understand people in Government wanting to continue the Folly, as they profit from it, both in money and power. But the citizens? What compels them to buy into the Propaganda that Government can solve our drug problems by force?
      http://mises.org/books/prohibition.pdf

      • BigBadJohn

        “The simple fix is to get rid of the Drug Wars. ”

        AGREE – Plus SHUT DOWN THE BORDER!

        I’ve said all along there is certain percentage of our population that unredeemable, they will do drugs, drive drunk whatever regardless of the laws.
        Give them access to cheap drugs, either they will fit into society or they will kill themselves. Either way we are all better off.

        If there is no profit in it, they will not be on the school yards pushing it. You don’t see guys hanging around trying to sell booze do you?

  • Dan az

    BBJ
    BOTH parties have done similar things. Reagan sold arms to the same terrorists that held Americans captive.

    So in this case, is it about attacking your second amendment rights or is it about creating justification to spend more money on the border patrol? Or is it about trying to control some rouge gun dealers that do sell arms to drug dealers and illegals? There have been some investigations and they found that gun dealer close to the border do not enforce the current laws and sell a majority of their guns across the border.

    Be careful how you interpret “scandals” this close to an election.
    First off why not get your time line straight!When Reagan Gave guns to Benladen they at the time where fighting the Russians and were being destroyed with helo gun ships.And after they won we abannded them do to the left’s aversion to war.Which BTW caused the Algida to turn on us.
    Secondly show me proof that there where gun dealers selling guns to drug dealers over the boarder,you can’t because that too was made up by the corruption of this gubmnt to kill the 2nd amendment through billary’s lies and with the backing of Holder.Where’s the beef?

    • eddie47d

      Selling guns to Mexico? That was proven years ago as they found more and more weapons from this side of the border. Also “the left has an aversion to war”. Good for them but does that mean you have a fantasy for more wars no matter if they are right or wrong? How about staying out of wars unless it is for our own national security.

      • independent thinker

        “Selling guns to Mexico? That was proven years ago as they found more and more weapons from this side of the border.”

        Provide some proof eddie (that is if you can).

      • Dan az
        • JeffH

          Brother Dan and independent thinker. Both of you already know that “ain’t gonna happen”!

          • Dennis48e

            Yup we know but you have to call him on things every once in awhile.

          • Dan az

            I know but I just love to watch him squirm :)

          • independant thinker

            Looks once again like we expected eddie has NO proof to back up anything he has said.

          • Eddie47d

            That proof was shown last year and the Jeff’s denied it as usual. Why keep repeating something. You’ll have to get use to someone disagreeing with you just like I do.

          • Jay

            eddie:That proof was shown last year

            Sure eddie, how convenient, and your dog ate your homework, right?

          • independant thinker

            Like I said eddie has no proof to post.

          • JeffH

            eddie the repeater has the gall to say “Why keep repeating something.”
            ROFLMAO! He provides the very foundation he subscribes to…”repeat what you hear”…LMAO.

            When eddie disagrees with something then you know for sure you’re on the right track…still LMAO!

      • Jay

        eddie:That was proven years ago as they found more and more weapons from this side of the border. Also “the left has an aversion to war”.

        Proven by whom? And who are these mysterious “they”? And speaking of fantasies, “the left has an aversion to war”? Did you forget to put on your tin-foil hat today?

        • Eddie47d

          Jay; “aversion to war” is from Dan’s comment. It would help if you did a better job of reading before opening mouth and inserting foot.

          • Jay

            Dan made no such comment. You’re loosing it eddie!

          • JeffH

            Jay, eddie repeating again…”before opening mouth and inserting foot”…bet he heard it and stole it from someone else…ya think?

          • eddie47d

            Jay; Dan at 9:23am Read up –you lose and 3 strikes and you are out!!!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff must be chasing the same bus as Jay. Bow Wow,Bow Wow!!

          • independant thinker

            You have stil not provided any sources or links to support your position on US guns in Mexico. As a result we can only conclude you have NOTHING to back up your assertions.

    • BigBadJohn

      “First off why not get your time line straight!When Reagan Gave guns to Benladen they at the time where fighting the Russians and were being destroyed with helo gun ships.And after they won we abannded them do to the left’s aversion to war.Which BTW caused the Algida to turn on us.”

      Wrong
      First I was referring to the Iran-Contra scandal. Reagan sold arms to the same terrorists that held Americans captive for over 100 days in Iran.
      The reason was to supply arms to the NICARAGUAN Sandinista.

      He never gave arms to Al Quada, he trained and gave arms to the mujaheddin – not Al Quada, but that was actually started by Carter.
      We should have learned from that lesson. The Russians were defeated because they were an OCCUPYING army – ghee isn’t that what we are now?

      “Secondly show me proof that there where gun dealers selling guns to drug dealers over the boarder,you can’t because that too was made up by the corruption of this gubmnt to kill the 2nd amendment through billary’s lies and with the backing of Holder.Where’s the beef?”

      Drug dealers are not going to cross the border to buy guns. There are a lot of greedy people who buy the guns, carry them across the border for sale. These are referred to as “straw buyers”.
      Here is the “official” explanation. But of course if you don’t believe the government, you don’t believe the government. For your own sake – don’t make it about one party or the other – BOTH parties are guilty, the only thing different is the rhetoric.

      The goal of the program, known as Operation Fast and Furious, was to follow the guns, which included assault weapons, up the chain to Mexican drug-cartel leaders.

      It’s unclear, for example:

      - Whether officials could have stopped the sales of guns to suspected straw buyers. Critics have blasted the program because agents sometimes encouraged dealers to keep selling, but Justice officials say Arizona and federal laws didn’t allow them to block such sales.

      - Whether ATF agents would have had probable cause to arrest straw buyers before guns moved south. A Justice official and testimony from ATF agents conflict as to whether agents were authorized to make such arrests.

      - Whether the ATF told prosecutors everything it knew about where the weapons went. An official for Burke’s office said it was assured guns wouldn’t cross the border.

      Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/07/06/20110706arizona-atf-sting-questions.html#ixzz1RL2uNByB

      THEY CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

  • http://republicwatchdog.blogspot.com/ Godfatherofblog

    So why don’t you indite these P’s OS in the Justice Department? What do they have to do to get indited execute someone on national TV~!!!

  • ED FOUTS

    be armed and ready stand on the second amendment against foreign
    or domestic criminal thugs.we as american,s we have the rights to protect our families and country our way of life,or we will lose it all.

    • regina edwards

      I am with you Ed Fouts. If we give up our “right to bear arms” then the criminals, terrorists not to forget the Demogogs in Washington will have weapons. This administration is bringing our country down with such a force, I cannot wrap my arms around it all. This outrageous health care just prevailed in the US Court of Appeals three judges declared it is constitutional for the government to force us to buy health care. People WAKE UP.

  • Dan az

    I say follow the money.I know for a fact that the poppy fields in afgan are controlled by the CIA,if you follow the money trail like they did with oliver north then you would see why we were in afgan.If you just follow the stolen money of billions that were sent to irag you would see that it too was a scam.Its all about the greed!now that’s what is called big business.A true corrupt elite that pulls the strings and are about to try to mow the grass that we the people have been holding off the tyrants behind every blade with our guns.It’s time to take a stand because we are on the last box if you know what I mean.

  • Alex

    Attorney General Eric Holder is a racist?
    Can you please back that up? Well. you can’t, but at least try….

    • Jeep

      While obstructing justice in the Philadelphia Black Panther case Holder shamelessly played the race card – “When you compare what people endured in the South in the 60s to try to get the right to vote for African Americans, to compare what people subjected to that with what happened in Philadelphia, which was inappropriate….to describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line for MY PEOPLE,” said Holder.

      “Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a NATION of COWARDS,” said Holder.

      In an interview with The Washington Post Holder said that regardless of how “affluent, educated and mobile” a black person becomes, “his race defines him more particularly than anything else.”

      If you want more…it can be obliged.

      • Alex

        While your third paragraph gets closer to the point, the two previous paragraphs are simple truths, rather than racism.

        • Jeep

          Alex, its all about context…in para 1 he was defending the indefensible. He was “explaining” that because the Black Panthers were black, and the voters were white, then there was no problem. In para 2 he was giving an address celebrating Black History month, and he said Justice Department employees they have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding. Really? The Justice Dept? I thought justice was blind…In para 3, well, I think that says it all.

          • Dan az

            Hey Jeep :)

    • Don Huaman

      How about the fact that DOJ stonewalled the prosecution of the Black Panther Party member who blocked the entry to a polling place because he deemed it “not a race” motivated crime since they were black (his words), or the fact that they will not prosecute black on white crimes related to voting rights. I do believe that that is an expression of racial preference, which is racism. That’s just for starters.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      I can:

      Testifying before Congress to explain the inexplicable dismissal of charges in the Black Panther case, Holder said: “…to describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line for my people.”

      In 2009, he claimed that when it comes to discussing race, Americans are “a nation of cowards.”

      He said in a 1996 interview with The Washington Post that regardless of how “affluent, educated and mobile” a black person becomes, “his race defines him more particularly than anything else.”

      Holder’s inJustice Department has ordered the Dayton Police Department to lower its test standards for recruits, requiring only a 58% to pass the test, simply because not enough blacks were passing the test. Not even the NAACP agreed with the inJustice Department’s actions.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Marcos

    Does this means that the secret service doesn’t use guns to protect the president?

  • Alex

    Let’s remember what the slave-owning Floundering Fathers had in mind when they wrote the ridiculously poorly written Second Amendment: “…a WELL-REGULATED militia…”

    Fright Wingers always gloss over that important bit.

    • 45caliber

      “And what is a milita? It is all the people.”

      That is not the exact quote but it is close. And it was written by one of the Founding Fathers. It is NOT a National Guard under the command of the Federal Government as many such as you try to insist. The National Guard was not even dreamed of at that time. If you don’t believe that armed civilians can form a militia, then you are wrong. If you believe that they shouldn’t form one, then you need to actively try to get the Constitution changed. But don’t try to insist that our meaning is wrong. You are the one who is trying to change it – not us.

      • independent thinker

        At one time you could make the argument that the Guard was the militia or a part of it but under either Reagan or Clinton the Guard was federalized and effectively made part of the Army Reserve.

    • Elevenarrows

      Alex, Alex, Alex…did you get educated by government schools and the media??? Read the founding documents of our land and actually read the writings of the founding fathers–there are many. I think you will be embarrassed at the brain-washing you’ve displayed. By the way, America has this really great system that allows you to move to another country and give up your citizenship here. You might want to check that out since you obviously resent the truths upon which America was founded.

      • Alex

        11errors—Still, will you please address the term “well-regulated”? What does that term, spelled out clearly in the 2nd Amendment, mean to you?

        • independent thinker

          “Well Regulated” as used in the Second Amendment means well armed and ready to report for service in the militia. It has NOTHING to do with control or regulation of firearms by the government.

          Let me put it even simpler for you. It means when a person is called to serve in the militia they are expected to bring their PERSONAL firearm with ammunition for it and be ready to serve.

          • Don Huaman

            Alex, don’t forget the rest of it; “…The right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.” The capitals are mine, and are the operative words here. It is the peoples right to Keep arms. It is the people right to bear arms. These are individual rights by the use and placement of those words. Ask your English teacher.

          • Think about it

            Well siad my brother.

        • JeffH

          May I suggest ignoring ALEX and his attempt to change the direction of this discussion.

          • independent thinker

            But it is so much fun to prove him wrong time and again.

          • JeffH

            IT, I know! :)

        • Elevenarrows

          Well, Alex, to those of us patriots still hanging on…well-regulated means: well-disciplined, at the top of your game, orderly, accurate, able to take the enemy down with one shot, effective, etc. By the way, did you ever study colonial America? Boys and men practiced, practiced, practiced…drilled, drilled, drilled…no one was dragging them from their beds to do so…these men and boys knew it was necessary to survival that they be accurate and act as a cohesive unit. Some of us still believe in that today…we’ll probably be the last ones standing….

        • Jay

          Alex:Still, will you please address the term “well-regulated”? What does that term, spelled out clearly in the 2nd Amendment, mean to you?

          Do you want the definition of the statement “well-regulated” in isolation or within the context of the 2nd Amendment? Which one?

    • BigBadJohn

      YUP – If you take this literally, that means we should be able to own tanks, rockets, sidewinders, surface to air missiles, war planes, war ships, etc. Anything to keep an overbearing government scared of its people.

      • Alex

        You point out, as Rachel Maddow did so perfectly a couple of months ago, the stupidity of those who claim that the Second Amendment allows us to defend ourselves against a ‘tyrannical government’—–of course, by that logic I should be able to own nuclear weapons, surface-to-air missiles, napalm, etc, or else remain completely ill-equipped to fight off the Big Bad Government.
        Americans are the most frightened people on Earth.

        • Elevenarrows

          I don’t think fear enters the equation. I think the proper word is “prudent”. Those who refuse to learn from history are destined to repeat it. Read the founders, Alex. Seriously…they will enlighten you on this and so much more. They weren’t perfect, but they were THERE for the forming of our government and therefore, probably know better what they intended than you would.

        • Jay

          Alex: Americans are the most frightened people on Earth.

          You mean the American people that are in opposition to Obama, correct? But, considering who is in the White House, can you blame them? They should be bloody well frightened!

      • DaveH

        The Second Amendment says we have a right to bear arms. There was no list of exclusions to that right.
        That right was guaranteed because our Founders knew the road to tyranny could only be built if the population was disarmed. The founders were against a standing army. The citizens were considered to be the main line of defense for the country, so it stands to reason that no types of defensive weapons would have been disallowed. Of course, they didn’t have weapons of mass destruction like we now have, so it’s difficult to say if they would have approved of citizens bearing those types of weapons.
        But the Constitution gives provisions for amendment, and those provisions have been used many times to create amendments (much to our detriment in many cases). I know you Liberals don’t need no damn laws. But the rest of us believe that Government should obey the laws like mainstreet Americans are required to.
        So, if you think machine guns, fighter jets, shoulder-packed heat seeking missiles, etc. should be banned from private ownership, then why not do it the legal way and amend the Constitution?
        But then how would the Minority walk all over the Majority? Heaven forbid that we should not just bow down to the Liberal Elite and graciously accept their domination.

        • Jay

          The biggest hypocrites on gun control are those who live in upscale developments with armed security guards — and who want to keep other people from having guns to defend themselves. But what about lower-income people living in high-crime, inner city neighborhoods? Should such people be kept unarmed and helpless, so that limousine liberals can ‘make a statement’ by adding to the thousands of gun laws already on the books?”
          –Thomas Sowell

          “Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns.”
          – U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, “Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse,” August 1995.

          Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
          – L. Neil Smith

          A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject.
          “Gun control” is a job-safety program for criminals.

        • Dennis48e

          Other than trying to infect the opposing side with some disease the closest thing to a WMD they had was cannon and those were legal for the private citizen to own until I believe the gun control act of 1932.

    • Isaac Davis

      I’ll quote you Dr. Thomas Sowell, “Those who mine history for sins are not searching for truth but for opportunities to denigrate their own society, or for grievances that can be cashed in today, at the expense of people who were not even born when the sins of the past were committed.

      An ancient adage says: “Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.” But apparently that is not sufficient for many among our educators, the intelligentsia or the media. They are busy poisoning the present by the way they present the past.

      and…

      Then Sowell turns to slavery as example.

      “A classic example is slavery, which is repeatedly drummed into our heads—in schools and in the media—as something unique done by white people to black people in the United States. The tragic fact is that for thousands of years of recorded history, people of every race and color have been both slaves and enslavers.”

      “(White) Europeans enslaved on the Barbary Coast of North Africa (by radical Muslims) were far more numerous than all the Africans brought to the U.S. and 13 colonies ….”

      “What was unique about Western civilization was that it was the first civilization to turn against slavery, and that it stamped out slavery not only in its own societies but in other societies around the world during the era of Western imperialism.”

      Sure it took over a century, but the result was the end of slavery in the Western world.

      Sowell’s final point is well taken and this: Those who so anxiously want to give back, should give back the truth.

      I couldn’t agree more. Spinning history to grind the axe of self-hatred and to further a political agenda based on myth is not giving back anything. Rather it’s taking, stealing, from the richness of our cultural heritage which, though far from perfect, has given the world a country of unlimited opportunity.

      Slavery was a terrible thing. But far from endemic to our country and England. If you don’t believe Sowell, just ask the people of ancient Sumner, Assyria, Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Nordic invasions and the Barbary Coast……

      His website is tsowell.com

      • Jay

        Awesome post Isaac, and thank you for taking the time to share it with us!!!

      • DaveH

        I love that guy. I’m sad to see him getting old.

        But the fact is that Slavery is alive and well. We are Slaves to the United States Government.

        • Jay

          Sad but true Dave. But, if its any consolation, and should be considered as encouraging, I would have to add that we are “unwilling slaves”!

    • Jay

      Alex: slave-owning Floundering Fathers

      Your socialist, anti-American professors indoctrinated you well Alex. My wish for you Alex, is that you never wake up, for if you ever do, you will shocked by the the fact that you never entertained, nor ever produced, an original thought in your life. You may be to far gone to fix!

  • http://aol Mike

    When are we likely to see the appointment of an INDEPENDENT investigatory panel and a special prosecutor to focus on the crimes and criminals involved in “Operation Fast and Furious”? I suspect that this would reach all the way to the POTUS and his AG.

    Yes, I know. Not likely at all!

  • Jeep

    BBJ, an astute observation. While we are normally at odds, I would have to agree with your assessment in this instance. This is a “scandal”, but I do not see the direct connection with gun ownership. In this case, there is enough garbage to go around without manufacturing phantom “scandals”.

    • BigBadJohn

      Jeep, thanks, I have no answers only questions – But questioning EVERYTHING you read is start toward keeping your freedom.

      Then there is the knee jerk reaction from the Brain dead “You need to careful: You have an open mind so be careful and don’t let your brains fall out~!!! That is if you have any~!!!”

      • Jeep

        BBJ, no problema! After all, when you’re “Right” you’re right! LOL

    • DaveH

      Early in Obama’s reign, he made the statement that most of Mexico’s problem guns were coming from the United States. Why would he bother to make such a claim? Well, when he was campaigning Obama said he believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. And he will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns. With that statement he painted himself into a corner. How else to get out of that corner than to make it an issue of National Security? Isn’t it coincidental that just a year after he made the claim, that most of Mexico’s guns came from the US, the ATF would be caught feeding guns into Mexico?
      Obama is a Liar. With Liars you have to read between the lines and determine by their actions who they really are and what they really believe.

      • Jeep

        DaveH, do not misunderstand what the point is to my statement. I do believe that this administration would throw out the Second Amendment in a heartbeat, if it could. However, tying together disparate acts only serves to alienate any would-be allies. We, the right leaning Conservative/Libertarian movement are ascending. But, self-serving rhetoric will not advance the cause. This case is, in and of itself, a black eye on the whole administration. If anyone can ever get to the truth I believe you will find the DoJ fingerprints from the top all over it. But, this is a case of poor judgement, a stupid plan and lousy execution followed by a probable cover-up. All terrible acts that would have had a Republican president crucified in the press. But, to tie in gun control smacks of “ginning up” charges. Let the air be clear, so the target can be knocked down with ease. That’s all I’m sayin’.

        • DaveH
        • independant thinker

          “But, this is a case of poor judgement, a stupid plan and lousy execution followed by a probable cover-up.’

          The Department of Justice (or should I say injustice) knew when they started these operations they had almost no presence in Mexico and therefore would not be able to track the guns as they have claimed was the intent of the operations. Given that fact it is logical to believe they had an ulterior motive for projects Gunrunner and Fast and Furious. The only logical ulterior motive is an attempt to “prove” the US gun dealers are supplying the cartels with their weapons so the feds can call for more gun control.

          • Jeep

            DaveH and Independant, your points are well taken. I’m just not going to “pile on” until proof leads me there. Heaven knows that there is enough supposition and innuendo coming from the left. The world doesn’t need it from me.

  • Alex

    Dear Mr Livingston,
    Do you refer to Attorney General as a racist because he so clearly pointed out that this country still has not addressed the issue of Race? Or is it something else—please inform your readership.
    Thank you, Alex

    • 45caliber

      Anyone is racist when they insist that laws must be ignored because the offenders are of the same race that he is. And Holden has done that.

    • LuluBelle

      Holder is a racist because of racist policies he has instituted in the DOJ such as not going after black offenders. This is pretty much common knowledge, but in case you need a reminder – BLACK PANTHER VOTER INTIMIDATION – look it up.

      • eddie47d

        Are you still riding that horse? There was no conspiracy with the New Black Panthers and only one member had a billy club. No one was threatened so the whole case was on thin ice. If you want to use your way of thinking then anyone with a gun (which is more deadly than a billy club and far more intimidating)could be jailed just for bringing it out in public. Maybe someone with a concealed weapons permit goes into a polling place and is arrested on suspicion. Which is pretty much what was done with the NBP.

        • Alex

          The “New Black Panther Party” is a joke—a construct of the Fright Wing media.
          People—There is NO new Black Panther Party, just a couple of thugs with nothing better to do than unsuccessfully try to ‘intimidate’ voters.

          • Dan az

            And there you have folks,the best of the best that money can buy from the liberal brain trust Alex and Eddie.You guys crack me up.You do more damage to your cause than any of us combined.Keep up the good work dudes your doing a great job!!!!! :) :)

          • Jay

            And you Alex, are a construct of the left-wing morons!

        • DaveH

          Sure, Alex and Eddie would have you believe this guy is just a figment of our imagination:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p50qHzC01E0

        • 45caliber

          And Holder refused to prosecute because they were black – which proves our point, doesn’t it.

          • Eddie47d

            No Black Panther intimidated anyone at that polling place. He was too far away to keep anyone out or from voting. Keep making a mountain out of a mole hill as you always do and your credibility will be less than it was before.

          • DaveH

            You are beyond a shadow of a doubt the most annoying poster on this site, Eddie. What would drive a man to just say whatever he feels like saying regardless of factual basis? I think that there is something seriously amiss in your brain.

          • Jay

            eddie: Keep making a mountain out of a mole hill as you always do and your credibility will be less than it was before.

            hmm, interesting! eddie, the man with zero credibility, preaching on credibility, Incredible!!!

          • eddie47d

            Jay; I presented a well known fact. Not racial confrontation like Dave has been doing. Your Klan meeting was canceled due to dirty sheets.

          • Jeep

            eddie, you may be right in that, “No Black Panther intimidated anyone at that polling place.” And, aliens are held at Area 51, Elvis is alive and well in Santa Monica and Bigfoot just moved in next door. Isn’t life grand on Fantasy Island?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      I addressed it above. I’ve addressed it before, not that you’ll see it.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • jibbs

      Is that You Alex, Karolyn, Eddie47d? all one and the same.

    • Jay

      Alex: please inform your readership.

      The readership is usually kept well informed Alex, but thank you for concern. Did the article confuse you? Do you suffer from a learning disability, such as reading comprehension, perhaps? Or are you merely fishing for dirt, like the liberal, rouge troll that you are?

  • 45caliber

    The saddest thing, to me, is that our politicians are willing to break the law to get their own agendas passed. “The end justifies the means.” It doesn’t and never does. If you must break laws and lie to the voters in an attempt to get something passed that the voters don’t care about, it is wrong and the offenders should go to jail for it. We are lied to enough. We don’t need everything else as well.

    If they can’t convince us that they are right, then it is wrong to break laws to still sneak it passed.

    And that goes for everyone including the President. His “orders” are in violation of the Constitution when he orders things to be done that Congress cannot or will not pass because the voters don’t want it done.

  • northbrook

    Just like Holder and Obama to cook up this scheme to gain support for the UN smalll arm treaty in order to disarm this country’s citizens. What ever can be proven that this was hatched in the justice department should be used to get Holder to resign. If it can be shown that he had intimate knowledge of this he should be put on trial and sent to federal prison.
    Get out of the UN and send them packing back to Europe.
    Vote for change dump Obama in 2012

    • 45caliber

      north:

      I think it was meant more to have an excuse to shut down gun shows and border dealers than to aid in the UN treaty problem. Still, it was wrong.

    • Dan az

      Hoder and obumer is not only neck deep in it, they are gasping for air!

  • Raggs

    I have a sinking feeling oblama will be “re-elected” ( if you want to call an election for and by the people ) A closer definition of an election is a lie… Anyway… I’m being told that oblama is now in full support of the muslim brotherhood, no doubt that billions of our tax dollars will go to “fund” this extreme radical anti-semitic murderous cult….
    And to think that the TSA is worried more about grannies diaper than a muslim…. Hummmm well go figure.

    • 45caliber

      Raggs:

      After seeing the election results in Nevada for Reid and in California for Pelousy and Boxer(shorts), I’m afraid you are right. His union friends will see that the various voting machines are programmed to insure that most votes go to him rather than his opponents.

    • eddie47d

      Raggs; Obama is not in “full support” of the Muslim Brotherhood so why do you gloat about spreading falsehoods.

      • DaveH
        • Dan az

          Hey eddie where’d you go?Crickets always crickets.For just once please give something in return.I know its not your job its ours to prove.typical union slub!

          • Raggs

            Empty ED…. :)

        • Eddie47d

          Duh Dave and the other stooges. Reaching out is not the same as “fully endorsing” as Raggs had said.Even Roosevelt reached out to Stalin and Reagan reached out to Saddam. It may not always work out but that is the way the world works if you care to notice.

          • DaveH

            It’s a miracle. The cartoon character Elmer Fudd has come to life!

          • Jay

            More like Elmer Fudd reincarnated into eddie.

          • Eddie47d

            Why thank you Lurch!

      • Raggs

        ed…. So how in the world do you seem to be able to chat here?.. apparently you are able to read???? Big if… So use your eyes to do something other than trying to make a liar out of me… Prehaps if you look things up maybe??? Well I don’t expect much in that order…

        • Eddie47d

          Raggs; See above and do some research of your own.

      • Jay

        eddie:Obama is not in “full support” of the Muslim Brotherhood so why do you gloat about spreading falsehoods.

        Prove him wrong eddie. Like my teacher always use to say: Don’t just give me the answer, show me your work!

        • Eddie47d

          Full support would be like with Canada or England or even Japan. If you don’t understand that wording (full support) Then stay out of politics or any place where you have to make a decision.

          • Jay

            I didn’t ask you for the definition of “full support”, dumb dumb, I asked you to prove that Obama is not in “full support”, as you stated, of the muslim brotherhood. Its quite apparent, when considering your evasive tactics, and you proclivity to never answer a question, that you would do well in politics!

          • eddie47d

            Sorry Jay I’m not falling for your cheap game playing with words.Time for you to wash those dirty sheets.

          • Think about it

            I think he is there (offensive word removed) leader.

    • Elevenarrows

      I think it has been obvious all along where acting-president Obama’s loyalties lie concerning Islam. Even if one didn’t look at the money or the bowing or any of the other tangible forms of evidence, even a child can see something is not right when the “president” of the United States (Yes,a Christian nation) records message-after-message offering his congratulations over every Muslim holiday one could possibly think of while insultingly ignoring Christian traditions such as our national Day of Prayer. History proves (if you look beyond the PC textbooks) that many, many Presidents have formed a precedent of calling upon God’s blessing on our nation through declared days of prayer and fasting.

  • ruth

    If you put fast and furious together with Obama’s refusal to protect our borders and the recent video from an American turned terrorist you can see the big picture.. That American born terrorist said the muslim terrorists are in place in America now to attack churches, etc.. He also said obtaining guns is easy in America…

    Obama and Holder are both guilty of treason…

    • Raggs

      Speaking of churches…. Have you heard that radical blacks are going into churches of white people to disrupt by yelling, making vulgar comments and cursing… I have heard of this happening that a black will sit in the front row and cause problems like this in order to be thrown out of the church followed by a lawsuit from the black for discrimination.

      • Elevenarrows

        I’ve also seen videos of gay activists marching to the front of church services and throwing literature all over the sanctuary. Can you imagine the media frenzy if conservative Christians behaved that way?!

      • eddie47d

        Good grief Raggs,stop playing the white racist and maybe there wouldn’t be so many black racists. At least in your own mind.

        • DaveH

          Do you ever have anything intelligent to say, Troll? Here is some reality:
          http://www.bestandworst.com/r/104739.htm

          • Eddie47d

            More indoctrination from Dave! That’s the 3rd time you’ve forced your propaganda on us. You’d make a good little Stalin.

          • DaveH

            Seek help, you poor sick little man.

          • Jay

            eddie:That’s the 3rd time you’ve forced your propaganda on us.

            What do you mean on “us” eddie? Speak for yourself! I certainly don’t need, nor wish, that you should speak on my behalf! Speaking of propaganda, no doubt you probably have the “Communist Manifesto” well memorized!

          • Eddie47d

            Dave loves repeating his videos like the good little indoctrinator he is.

          • independant thinker

            Forced eddie? Are you saying Dave is holding a gun to everyones head and forcing them to watch the videos and read the articles? If so you are even more delusional than we thought.

        • Raggs

          ed… I REALLY don’t give two rat’s asses what you call me or for that matter what your little brain is able to think of me.
          So you can stop rubbing your face with used kool-aid so you will look like oblama.

        • Dan az

          So eddie
          Explain to us this message from your boy in the white house hmmm!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0
          20 yrs of this crap and you don’t think it sank in?Wow he must really be dense.

          • Eddie47d

            Obama makes mistakes like every President but he is not your BOY, but you sure are a bigot.

          • Jay

            eddie:Obama makes mistakes

            Yes, calculated mistakes!

      • 45caliber

        I don’t know about churches, but I’ve seen them do it to businesses so they can sue. We had two who hired on where I once worked and then one attacked a fellow worker. He was sent home with pay while an investigation went on. Then the two of them began to picket on the grounds that they had been discriminated against. It turned out that they did this about every three months so they could get enough money to live on without working or drawing welfare.

        • Raggs

          Bottom-up… Sounds familiar doesn’t it…
          Top down to crush the middle ( law’s, regulations etc )
          Bottom-up.. the bottom to rise up against the middle.

      • Karolyn

        Source?

        • DaveH

          Surely you jest, Karolyn? When have you ever produced references for anything you say?

        • JeffH

          DaveH, does “I heard it on NPR” count?

    • Think about it

      As my boy Charlie would say, take a big tall tree, and a short peace of rope, hang em up high an let em swing till the sun goes down.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jason Crone

    Its past time to start taking the indiduals that are trying to ruin this country and dispose of them.And for you real Americans, keep your weapons zeroed and ammo dry……the DAY is coming to kick some f…en govt ass.

  • http://none john eastin

    What do you expect form this Muslim presidential simulator? He has stated, he “will stand with the Muslims if things get ugley”. Who that voted for him will explain to me what they think that means!?!?!?

  • EdinNola

    Obama has been quoted as telling Sarah Brady of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence that he’s working behind the scenes to restrict gun ownership! Doesn’t this refer to Operation Fast and Furious?

    I am one who believes that, while coincidence occurs, it is not nearly as common as politicians whould have one believe. This operation was created for one reason only – to give the Administration cause to call for more gun control. Any other explanation is beyond reason. Obama’s attack on our 2nd Amendment rights, initiated just before the facts of this operation became public, point to a close relationship of the two. That’s no coincidence.

    Obama would like the 2nd Amendment to cease to exist. He acts almost as though it doesn’t exist now. In fact he acts as though the entire Constitution doesn’t exist, or if he admits to its existence, it is his perogative to define it in any way he wishes.

    OMG – Obama Must Go

    • Raggs

      There is no such thing as an accident, an accident ALWAYS has a cause.
      That said oblama, holder, and the bataf are all in this together.

  • Elevenarrows

    Although I think you may well be right about the reason this “operation” was leaked, I have to also wonder if it doesn’t just boil down to good ol’ filthy lucre? I’ve always had the impression that many in Congress and the executive branch may be influenced by “agendas”, but that ultimately, they are 100% addicted to the flow of money—that is, our money flows to them. I would suspect selling guns to enemies is very financially-rewarding.

    • 45caliber

      Eleven:

      It probably is lucritive. That is one of the reasons the government sells guns all over the world. But I seriously doubt if this program made them any money. They simply insisted that the gun dealers – in shops or at gun shows – sell to the gun runners. They wanted the guns to trace back to the dealers so they could insist to the MSM that the dealers were selling to the criminals so they needed to stop the gun shows and shut down the dealers for doing it.

      When they sell guns they prefer to do it in volumn. Ten thousand or more at a time. Since the drug gangs do have M-16/M-4′s, they are certainly providing many of them although they argue that they are giving the guns to the Mexican army and someone there is selling them. Perhaps.

      • Dan az

        Does Bloomberg come to mind?

  • KG

    Seems like the actions of that the guy living in our White House along with his cronies such as e. holder, h. clinton, j. napatoliano or however she spells it, and the heads of most of the alphabet federal agencies including the BATFE, clearly puts them all in the category of “domestic enemies” and traitors to the oaths of office every one of them took. With the possible exception of the head of Homeland Security none of them are stupid. They know what they are doing to our freedoms and are doing it intentionally. They intend to rule, not govern. They are the kind our Founding Fathers foresaw when they included the Second Amendment in our Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson and others were very clear about that and they meant exactly what they said with the phrase “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” Now this cabal of evil are purposely pushing the envelope to see how far they can go before we will actually stand up on hour hind legs and say STOP! One must ask if they have lived in their own narcissistic worlds for so long that they actually do not understand the level of violence that will occur once they push us over the edge and that attempting to disarm eighty two million plus legitimate firearms owners would do that? Not to even mention the millions of criminals that possess them.
    The usurper in chief would love to create some excuse to try to impose martial law and total suspension of the Constitution then start rounding up all who oppose him. He hasn’t dared to go that far yet because he is not confident that he has the full support of the military and law enforcement, which he would have to have to make it work. He probably has the nominal support of some of the PC hierarchy in the military and LE but if he has any sense at all he knows most of the rank and file ‘boots on the ground’ men and women would not back him. Why do you think he wants to create a civilian security force equal in manpower and equipment to the military that answers directly to him? Those are his words by the way. Or why else would he and clinton be trying to go through the back door to impose a U.N. small arms treaty to use as “authority” for confiscation?
    So, if Senator Grassley and Rep. Issa will hang in there and keep “peeling away the layers” of this criminal corruption in spite of the all the official stonewalling and obfuscation they are encountering along the way, then more power to them both. Possibly through the Internet enough people can be informed and awakened. It is certain the lame stream media will not help and if they report it at all will downplay anything that is critical of their Messiah.
    It is going to be up to “We the People” to insist they be put out of office and it will not get any easier as time goes on.

    • JeffH

      KG says, ‘So, if Senator Grassley and Rep. Issa will hang in there and keep “peeling away the layers”.’

      I think it’s important to encourage and offer support to both of them to see this investigation through and ultimately justice.

      Send letters of support to them at:
      http://issa.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=597&Itemid=73

      • JeffH

        Contact Senator Grassley at:

        http://grassley.senate.gov/contact.cfm

      • Dan az

        jeff
        I did that and I got a reply back that didn’t look like a form letter!First one!I’m still waiting for obumer to reply but I’m optimistic that it will be sent by black helicopter instead.:)

  • wilbo

    will they search every single residence for guns?
    will the police (most of whom own guns in my town)be the searchers
    i dont see it happening here–maybe other places

    • http://none john eastin

      Remkember his 500,000 man army that only reports to him,,,,,as added to the health Care Law,,,,guess what!?!?

  • MIKE SMITH

    WE NEED TO ONLY LOOK AT HISTORY, HITLER ONE OF HIS FIRST 3 GOALS WAS TO TAKE ALL THE GUNS FROM THE POPULOUS, AND HE DID.WAKE UP AMERICA OR THEY MAY NOT BE AN AMERICA TO WAKE UP TO.EITHER GET BEHIND US OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. NO ONE IS TAKING MY GUNS…………………

  • jibbs

    @ Bob Livingston,
    Why is Eddie47d still on here spouting pure lie’s? Are he and Karolyn the same person? They never provide a link to where there bs comes from.

    • JeffH

      jibbs, it is important to have all of them around just as a reminder if nothing else.

    • Raggs

      jibbs… I think that they come here to prove that we are much smarter than they are…. :)

      • JeffH

        “smarter” can be the difference between knowing right from wrong…it doesn’t take a genius or a college degree…even a cave man can be that smart.

        • Raggs

          So easy that a caveman can do it… liberals must go way back since they obviously don’t have a clue.

          • JeffH

            Raggs, LOL!

          • TIME

            Raggs,
            You may have something there and I kid you not.

    • Karolyn

      jibbs – You sure don’t pay attention, because i have been posting links. And why wouldn’t I be here? I have as much right as you!

    • Eddie47d

      Is Jibbs crying to papa Bob? Where’s my lies Jibbs? Want to talk about all the right wing slander on this site? Poor Bob would lose all his listeners if anyone really cared about their lies.

      • Jay

        eddie:Is Jibbs crying to papa Bob? Where’s my lies Jibbs? Want to talk about all the right wing slander on this site? Poor Bob would lose all his listeners if anyone really cared about their lies.

        Now that, your statement, was a lie, and, an entertaining trick ! You inadvertently confirmed Jibb’s allegation while at the same time sticking your foot in your mouth. Ever thought of joining the circus?

        • Eddie47d

          Jay is a one man circus. Is that an Ayn Rand gimmick you are using or Alinsky?

          • libertytrain

            eddie you are behaving like a 12 year old boy.

          • Jay

            eddie, don’t take it so hard. I actually happen to like you, and I’m just having a little fun. Besides, what else is one to do with a village idiot?

    • DaveH

      No, we need to keep Eddie and Karolyn around so the Unconvinced can witness the kind of people who want to run their lives. One of life’s oddities is that the least talented people are the most inclined to want to run the lives of other people.

      • Eddie47d

        Indoctrinating Dave, I think you are the one trying to force us to accept it your way with your repetitive sources. Isn’t that called brainwashing in commie countries, little Kim Jung?

  • Watchman

    This entire Admin has broken their oath of office to defend the Constitution. They have lied to us about everything they have done. They lied to us that our guns were being sold into Mexico and being used by the drug cartels. Now we know THEY are the ones who came up with the plan and carried it out. They are the ones who are guilty and should spend the rest of their lives in prison for this act of treason. This goes all the way to the Attny General and the White House. This could not/would not have been done without their knowledge and approval.

  • Dan az

    Like they say the buck stops here!
    If there is one thing for sure is that nothing gets done in washington with out the OK from obumer and all of his czars that only report to him.If there was something more than the treason charge I would enforce it!

  • JeffH

    Here are some Jefferson quotes

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

    The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

    He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

    • 45caliber

      All excellent quotes.

    • Jay

      Here’s one Jeff,

      “As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks.”

      – Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.

      • JeffH

        Jay, so true, so true! Shooting helps to keep my mind and senses sharp and alert.

        • Jay

          Not to mention, alive and healthy!

          • JeffH

            :)

  • John

    What is stopping congress from impeaching the pres? If all of his left wing actions are being imposed on US citizens it should be stopped. Congress should be able to stop his E.O.’s making them non valid. We see some of congressional voices but that all we see, where is the action? If he is not a U.S. citizen by birth and he continues to destroy the American fabric woven into our constitution which has become our way of life for over 200 years then Someone in congress must do something. Else we will be torn, all apart, placed under a one world order by his decree. He is not King of the U.S. nor any other country but he acts like one and gets away with murder to a great extent. How it is that he can tell other tyrants to step down and bomb them? just because he got NATO to do his dirty work he is still spending billions of our tax dollars to support his cause. This was not the American cause to go after other world dictators. Democracy is a movement for the people and by the people not other countries that deem a socialistic change is necessary. Just look at the two wars we are in. Those people do not want western freedoms, if they did they would be all against radical Islam movements. We must first look at home and see where our laws as headed. Seems like anything that is not home grown is approved while home grown items are denied and placed in a holding pen. We are being moved from a nation of laws to a nation of ‘it feel right’ so do it. Congress Wake up, Cause we will vote again in 2012 and not just for the white house…JDP

  • JeffH

    NY Times, June 30: Mr. Issa, a California Republican, accused the Democrats on his committee of introducing partisanship into the debate.

    House Panel Members Joust Over Border Gun Program
    WASHINGTON — Republicans and Democrats on the House oversight committee this week intensified their efforts to shape the narrative surrounding Operation Fast and Furious, the border-security strategy that allowed guns to be shipped illegally into Mexico in an effort to track them to drug cartels.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/us/politics/01guns.html?_r=3

  • Antonio

    I just recently cashed in on a CD since the dollar is losing its value and all. I went out and bought ANOTHER barrett .50 cal. It aint gonna be pretty… They shall shed their blood while attempting to take my freedom.

    • JeffH

      :( … I’m jealous. In California I can’t own one(50 BMG are outlawed in Ca.) without a very special permit and a good set of circumstances.

      • Raggs

        Oh don’t fret at least California has the mexicans with guns. Well we even helped in paying for the guns as well.

      • Dan az

        It’s OK jeff you can borrow mine because with that pee shooter that you got you may need it. :)

        • JeffH

          :(

        • JeffH

          Brother Dan, that pea shooter is for self use, when all else fails I can at least commit “sideways”! :)

      • DaveH

        One more reason to escape that state, Jeff.

  • Raggs

    In all honesty…. This issue of selling guns to mexico for the purpose of pushing gun control for Americans is only a small role being played by the regressive government… health-care will be the major deciding factor in the disarmament of the USA.
    But… it will cost many lives to enforce…

  • http://2nd anti-goverment

    the problem is the U N and the rich scum that run it, it will be a cold day in hell befor they get our guns.i kmow if i have to die protecting my children and my freedom i will.(i dont want to) but who wants to live if america falls to comunist ways.we need to get rid of the U N they are not the savors they clame to be.agenda 21 (depopulation 80% )

  • James

    I wouldn’t rule out the idea, that our federal government just wanted those Mexican drug runners to have those guns. Isn’t that essentially what happened?

  • John Joshua Sweet

    They did not follow the weapons because it would be counter to their goal of eliminating all privately owned weapons held by citizens of the United States why else would they sign on to the UN small arms treaty. We have to see that this Marxist administration does not believe in the Constitution as a rule of law and do not support a strong nation which is why we are now a third world power.

    • independant thinker

      “They did not follow the weapons because it would be counter to their goal of eliminating all privately owned weapons held by citizens of the United States why else would they sign on to the UN small arms treaty.”

      Since BATF has almost no presence in Mexico they knew they had no way to trace the weapons once they crossed the border.

  • theoldrang

    Anyone stop to think…

    That maybe this is how the ‘justice department’ was setting up to get guns that were not traced back to them?

    Thinking such ill about the ‘justice department’…

    I only because they have abandoned the constitution and ‘JUSTICE!’…

    And the American Way

  • thinkingoutsidethebox
    • Raggs

      Fire him hell… I want him in jail along with oblama!!!!!

      • Dan az

        Raggs
        I’m with you and I still think there is a tree around back that has his and obumers name on it with a good made in the USA rope on it!But I did sign it anyway!

        • independant thinker

          I will sign it as well cause you gotta start somewhere.

      • John Joshua Sweet

        Id rather the last thing he and the Marxist hear is “Fire”

        • Raggs

          Well Josh… If he heard the word fire.. he would grab some chicken.

  • i41

    Don’t forget the sorry fat b–ch lezbo Hillary, who signed USA on to the UN mandate to take away all private owned guns across the globe. Now as the niggardly Onumnutts signed the executive order for USA to follow the UN mandate, to outlaw all private land ownership. Do we hear a peep from out puke elected officals in the beltway? The nigggardly muslim marxist is using all agencies and the Justice Dept, EPA, Dept of Education, and all other alphabet soup beltway groups, will get to decide what you can do with your private property. Yet we still have stupid brain dead bas-ards loving and defending this sorry idiot crossbred and his marxist/communist democrats pups..

    • Raggs

      You Rant’s are funny, but true….

    • independant thinker

      You need to get your facts straight. No one has signed the “Small Arms Treaty” which is what you are refering to because it has NOT been finalized yet. Hillary among others has said they support said treaty and yes if the senate ratifies it the treaty can be used to try and eliminate private gun ownership in the US.

      • JeffH

        …and as we like to say, good luck…from my cold dead hands…

      • Raggs

        Oh… so you and I are to wait on a crisis?
        Ok then… I have a crisis… here it goes…
        I’mn tooo stupid to figure out to operate my lawnmower…Oh gezzzzz I must need the government.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear i41,

      I posted this before, but you might not have seen it. So, I’m posting it again.

      The dictionary definition of niggardly is: 1) grudgingly mean about spending or granting. 2) Provided in meanly limited supply.

      Obviously, neither of those fit President Obama. So if you are using it as a racial slur you are ignorant, and if you are using it to feign a racial slur then you are simply trying to stir up racial animosity in the thread. There is no place for either of those here.

      Also, I want to caution you on your language, which is walking very close to the line of unacceptability. Please, mind your manners.

      This is your final warning.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JeffH

        …strike two…

      • Karolyn

        Thank you Mr. Livingston!

        • JeffH

          …if memory serves me right, it was Karolyn coming to the defense of i41 when he was called out for using that term the first time…my, my…short memory haven’t we?

  • Jay

    You know why there’s a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.

  • Bob Fahnestock

    Why are we concerned with guns going to Mexico? That is Mexico’s job.

    The bulk of the U.S. guns in Mexico were sold to the Mexican Army and corrupt soldiers sold them to the drug cartels. It is impossible to get as many guns as they claim into Mexico by buying them through legal gun dealers.

  • Jay

    The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.

  • Lew

    It was an attempt at creating a “Reichstag Fire” moment against the 2nd Ammendment and firearms owners… It’s a sad moment as we move into the decline of this country as it becomes more corrupt and immoral.

    • Nomarxist4me

      Absolutely! You hit the nail on the head.

  • Linda

    When I heard about the ATF and their misbehavior regarding gun running they caused; I put two and two together. Guns get into Mexico, so the faux prez can say: “See See? I told you we have to take all the guns.” It’s pretty bad when your own governmnet plots against you on a daily basis. Is it any wonder no one can trust this SOB? HE AND HOLDER AND H. CLINTON

    • Jay

      Indeed Linda, clever trick. First create they create the crises, then they solve it with repressive legislation!

  • i41

    Bob Livingston, do you not think the Pres. is not behaving meanly or that the word niggardly does not fit his spending, destruction of the USA at every chance he gets. Even before he was elected the fawning and continued knocking the USA, every where he could possibly goes or arrives at shows his contempable behavior and his marxist communist beliefs. Read his sorry books, it all spells out his hate for America. Point out one thing this crossbred marxist muslim has done for the USA, that isn’t niggardly behavior to citizens and our businesses and to children yet unborn. As a matter of fact most worm breathe polityians and citizen weasel around any time truth is stated using facts, like his latest executive order to abide by UN mandates as all marxist/communist democrats do, and that is afact since the party’s inception. The Soros funded party party is doing its best to turn us in to a dictatorship run country and destroy the USA, which is by the dictionary constitutes niggardly behavior and actions. Prove where I am wrong about Obama, or the marxist/communist democrat party as the first Sec of Ag and Presidental 72 democrat canadate was a registered communist when he taught college.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

      I41-

      Just change your word to profligate instead of niggardly.

    • DaveH

      Strike three.

      • JeffH

        …and…you’re outta here…

      • Raggs

        rational language.. political “correctness”?.
        Even as i41 mis-spells you gotta love-um due to the honesty of the post.
        Thats all I’m going to say.

        • Eddie47d

          Raggs; Then Bob needs to boot you off too with your inappropriate “chosen words”. Now we know who i41′s sidekick is.

        • JeffH

          Raggs, he’s no dummy and has a lot of good to say and at times is entertaining also, he just doesn’t know how to control his flapper and convey his message. He’s pushed the envelope like a rebellious teenager pushes against thr rules of the house…his intentions are good, just misguided in his delivery.

          • Jay

            Here here, I happen to like i41! Yes, a little rough around the edges, but a true bleu patriot, and of that there can be no doubt! Unlike eddie and his libertard troll brigade.

  • Joey Biden

    If you have guns keep ‘em. If you don’t have guns buy ‘em. Stockpile ammo. Learn how to long term cache ‘em. Just my uphilosphical 2 cents.

  • http://n/a Joseph

    Mr. Obama said that he does not know nor Eric Holder re;Fast and Furious project. These two morons thinks we are stupid like them.

    • Raggs

      well… They don’t want you to question anything..

      As long as “they” get away with that… I have no need in filling in the blank.

  • i41

    Bob Livingston, I would like you to explain the behavior of the marxist/communist democrat party, and what they and the marxist muslim moron in the WH, have done to this country, that can be stated in one word what their behavior has done. No one needs several paragraphs to weave a web of bs, like the beltway political pukes do, a simple yes or no is hard if not possible to get. USA has been treated niggardly for decades by the corrupt marxist/communist democrat party of what ever color, including the morons who are afraid to call a spade a spade, a shovel is not a spade, but a spade is a form of a shovel. Just like saying Whorehound Clinton had a zipper and no morals, so a single word pegged his problems.

    • Raggs

      I could be wrong but it sounded like a cool-off moment.

  • i41

    Joseph, what would you call these two genetically compulsive liars, just fudging or murders, for the loss of a life of a law enforcement officer. In the normal world they should get their chicken crossbred necks stretched with a new green rope. The same goes for the marxist/communist democrat in office who don’t pay their taxes, now if that is not a niggardly act of stealing and lying, what is it then. These 2 freaks are not of a single race, so using proper description of the genetic cross makes them a crossbred liars, who hate the USA , as it shows in all of their actions and words.

  • i41

    I had this same retarded debate with a marxist/communist democrat college professor years ago. When he started the speech police bildge in a class. It started over the bs of poor me races, and the victumology, when I was talking about the behavior, not color of idiots of a race.

  • Nomarxist4me

    Does it make sense that because they allowed guns to go across the border to Mexico which were used in crimes that greater gun control over gun owners in the United States is going to make the situation better? That’s typical progressive reasoning. They will try to take away everyone’s right to arm themselves for their own protection, but protect the borders from terrorists and drug traffickers? Oh, hell no, we can’t do that!!

    • MANNY

      USING SIMPLE LOGIC SHOWS THAT THEIR PURPOSE FOR “PLANTING” THESE GUNS IN MEXICO IS A COVER FOR FACILITATING THEIR AIM AT FIREARM CONFISCATION IN AMERICA. EVERY POLICE ORGANIZATION AND GOVERNMENT AGENCY IN BOTH COUNTRYS KNOW FULL WELL WHO THE DRUG LORDS AND THEIR CARTELS ARE. JUST AS THE FACT THAT HARMEN KARZI’S BROTHER IS THE HEROIN KINGPIN IN AFGHANISTAN. (GEE, WHY DID MY SPELL CHECKER SHOW ME THE CORRECT SPELLING FOR ‘AFGHANISTAN’ ALONG WITH ‘SATANIST’? NO COINCIDENCES IN GOD’S KINGDOM.)

  • i41

    Describe what one word terminology the jug eared marxist behavior and his lap rats are using, it is defininately niggardly expense to the USA security and safety!

  • MANNY

    HEY,HEY GUYS AND GALS! GOOD JOB IN RESEARCHING THE FACTS AND READING BETWEEN THE LINES TO COME TO THE HONEST CONCLUSIONS. IT APPEARS THE BATTLE LINE IS NOW DEFINITIVE AND CLEAR FOR ALL TO SEE WHETHER ONE’S BLINDED BY THEIR SIN OR NOT. EITHER YOU DESIRE TRUTH OR YOU LOVE THE LIE. ALL THOSE WHO LOVE THE LIE WILL BE CAST FROM THE LORD’S PRESENCE ON THAT DAY (AS THE PREACHING OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS TO THOSE THAT ARE PERISHING IN THE END) SO SAITH THE LORD. BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I’M NOT AS PURE AS THE WIND DRIVEN SNOW WHATCHA GOTTA REALIZE IS THE LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE SON OF ADAM’S PROBLEM IS THAT THEIR HEAD IS SO FAR UP THEIR ASS THAT THEY SEE THE WORLD THROUGH THEIR MOUTH. WHAT KILLS ME IS THAT THOSE OF US THAT ARE BELIEVERS ARE SUPPOSED TO PRAY FOR THEM. HARD TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ONES ETERNITY WHILE THEY IGNORANTLY LET THESE BASTARDS DESTROY THEIR OWN FREEDOMS ALONG WITH OURS. GLORY’S LOOKIN’ BETTER ALL THE TIME. HOPE TO SEE YA’LL THERE. GOING UP?

  • Bob Marshall

    The government want to disarm us so they can protect us. No thanks!

  • OLD VET

    REMEMBER THIS MY GUN OWNER FRIENDS AND PATRIOTS– WHEN THEY COME FOR YOUR GUNS — GIVE ‘EM YOUR AMMUNITION FIRST – HIGH SPEED DELIVERY

  • FollowerofJesusChrist

    What if the Mexican Government sent 2000 weapons (some 50 Calaber Berrit sniper rifels) into the U.S. and gave them to gangs, and the gangs killed over 15000 U.S citizens? Would that be an Act of War?
    Is giving weapons to known drug cartell members a act of State Sponsered Terror?
    Is porviding the drug cartells with guns to kill people make one a co-conspirator to murder?
    Is 15000 people killed in 5 years mass murder?
    Is helping to kill 15000 people A Crime Aginst Humanity?

  • independant thinker

    ?

  • http://cox.net Kevin

    It seems to me that more mexicans are being killed by cartel terrorist then jews by muslims. Take the last 4 years and figure out how many mexicans have been killed in mexico by drug cartels and how many jews have been killed by terrorist. This is terrorism at our border. Why we are worried about Iraq and Afghanistan is beyond me. Its here at our back door. You bet I feel the need to be armed here in Az. For gods sake they are beheading people 100 miles from my doorstep. What is terrorism? A whole country is held captive while thugs run there government. The mexican people need to be armed to take back there country. It is insane to sit and listen to the poor jews and there problems while thousands of mexicans are slaughtered daily. We are not only poisoned by drugs but they are terrorizing a nation and exterminating people at our back door.There is no ballsy leadership in America. No Trumans left to say screw it drop a nuke. Knock knock America we are next the only problem we have is we are being terrorized by our own government thru its lias and deceit. It is here now and its called senate congress and president. Our country is being lost thru political liars. Who the hell oked guns to be sold illegally? Our own government is getting our people killed for gods sake. It needs to stop. The god damn ignorance needs to go away. Wake the hell up and read what is going on. Our country is being sold down the tubes. Gangs and Cartels are terrorist committing crimes against humanity and governments. How are they any diffeernt in Mexico then what happened in Rawanda. Its all the same who cares about Mexicans no one they are expendable just like the Jews right? The whole sytem is crumbling down day by day and we sit idley by watching it happen. Its here now at your door America wake the hell up.

  • Joe

    Buy more ammo and get a gun ,if you don ‘t have one.Learn to use it,safely.
    The BATFE is bulging with authority,and want MORE.Holder is not going to pull in the reins of the BATFE,him and Obama is going to use them to control you and I.They both have already sided with the Mexican govt.on the gun issue,against the American people.That ,in itself should give you a clue as to how/waht they feel about the American people.
    The whole gang of gangsters in the DOJ is totatally out of control.
    Get you a weapon and ammo ,NOW!!
    The anti gunners are furriously bribing,lying and back stabbing the lawful gun owners,with the help of our govt.
    People, WE need to be in CHARGE of the govt.not the other way around.
    STAND up!! Be not afraid,this IS OUR country!!1
    It is not the propety of any govt.agency or group of people in Wash.

  • Jim

    People…people…people…this person, Eddie47d, who seems to be with so many other names can be easily dealt with!!!

    Next time he types something, IGNORE IT!!! DO NOT RESPOND!!! ACT AS IF THIS PERSON DOES NOT EXIST!!! Do not address this person directly….it does no good!!!

    So, get it out of your system…..say what you will….lets give Eddie47d a funeral and celebrate his/her death!!! What do you say, people?

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