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Personal Liberty

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Surprise, Surprise. O’Homo disregards the Supreme Court ruling (7-1) that college admission should be based on merit, and not on skin color. But
    the Pharaoh’s administration “recently sent a letter to schools across the nation
    effectively telling them to IGNORE that ruling, even offering assistance in
    subverting it.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/27/white-house-colleges-forget-supreme-court-use-race/

    Nothing new in the Kenyan Kriminal ruling: Spew on Constitution; Step on the ‘Bill of Rights’; Disregard Supreme Court ruling; Sue States for their Voter ID Laws; Disregard DOMA; Disregard States’ Constitutional Amendments banning the same-sex marriage; Walter Reed National Military Medical Center banned to bring the religious (!?) items during the visits. But the listed “religious” items were only Christian (!!!) items: Bibles, Christian reading materials, and/or artifacts. Koran? No, Koran is not banned. Please bring and read.

    “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      You’re doing real well today Alondra. Keep up the good fight. I guess you know by now that some of the terrorists in the attack at a Kenyan shopping mall were Americans. Maybe they are friends, relatives, or gay lovers of Obama bin Laden. Here are some articles about this dastardly deed.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/must-see-obamas-link-kenyan-mall-massacre-al-qaeda-revealed/
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/cair-u-s-terrorists-involved-kenya-attack-doesnt-matter/
      Here is one where Judge Jeanine blows up Nancy Pelosis remarks about Obama bin Laden.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-judge-jeanine-nuke-nancy-pelosis-brilliant-obama/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “What luck for rulers that men do not think.”
      Adolf Hitler
      *This quote sounds like the voters that reelected Obama bin Laden.

      • Terry

        you go my man! I am so mad, I am afraid if I say anything, I could make myself look, or feel, self incriminated, or just plane ignorant! So, you go Samurai…..I’ve got your back! X U. S. Navy Petty Officer, Turkman

        • dan

          I know what you’re sayin’…
          beware the big dog that doesn’t bark

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Oh, yes. It is always the quiet ones you need to worry about. I agree 100%. Here is an article about Michelle bin Laden.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/michelle-obama-cant-just-want-change-steal/
            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “I have looked to the Lord Jesus Christ, and hope I have obtained pardon.”
            John Randolph of Roanoke
            Congressman from John Adams to Andrew Jackson’s second term
            U.S. Senator
            Diplomat
            Devout Christian

          • Terry

            Michelle Bin Laden, just as bad! I wanted to ask you if you believe Obama bin laden ever came up with a real birth certificate? I don’t, I have never seen it, and as far as I know, no one has. Also, I was a Viet Nam era vet and was on a Guided Missile Cruiser….turkman

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What do you mean by real?
            People lose, have the b c destroyed, hide it because it has family secrets,etc., and they go ahead and have it redone or not.
            There is an original for O but the American people will not see it. O’s mother or maternal grandparents had it and O has it.

          • Terry

            …what in the hell are you talking about…..Nadzieja Batki, I understand you do not speak fluent English….but, I am saying that Obama has not presented a copy of his birth certificate to the written, or visual media, so that we Americans can see it….okay….thank you….bye! I have copies of my birth certificate….lots of them….

          • Terry

            …what the hell are you talking about little girl????

          • Terry

            …Graaaawllllll……woof…..woooof….If I could I would, scratch my ……and bark at the moon!!! Turkman

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Thanks fellow patriot. My father did 32.5 years in the navy and I did 20 years in the army, so I understand what you are saying. I’ve got yours also. In fact, I’ll pull rear guard for all the patriots here. So the libturds and progturds better watch out. Here is an article about our Vietnam Veterans.
          http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/remembering-americas-vietnam-veterans/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “I have not yet begun to fight.”
          John Paul Jones

          • Terry

            Glad to talk with you, and proud, honored to speak with someone whose father did almost 33 years in the Navy….keep up the good work….BT..AR…x-njzk…..cg-27…TJS

        • Moshe McCarthy

          Thanks for your service & May God Bless You & Yours abundantly & Forever!!!

    • FreedomFighter

      Impressive work Alondra…wish I could write as well as you.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • nc

        Fighter of Freedom, according to his followers Hitler wrote well too!

    • Karolyn

      Alondra and her outdated “news.” The memo banning religious items was so as not to subject patients to proselytizing and was worded wrong. It was rescinded fairly quickly. This happened in 2011! Once again, “news” being used to stir the pot that is not even news. People need to investigate anything they read before broadcasting it. Just like the FB post yesterday about Obama proclaiming November Muslim Appreciation Month. It was a spoof from a site that features spoofs.

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/walterreed.asp

      http://www.christianpost.com/news/bible-ban-at-walter-reed-military-hospital-dropped-64545/

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So if Alondra’s news is outdated that must mean you are getting first dibs to what is considered news, first hand information, Karolyn. You would wise up with your supposed cunning that you shouldn’t dig pits for other people because you will be falling into them yourself.

        • Bob666

          Yo Nads,
          What would we do with out your shining disposition?

    • Gopher Ball

      I love your posts, Alondra…Keep fighting the Good fight!!!

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Let see WHAT THE KENYAN MARXIST AND ONE OF HIS MENTORS KARL MARX HAVE IN COMMON?

    Both used multiple names.
    Marx: Karl Marx a.k.a. Monsieur Ramboz a.k.a. A. Williams a.k.a. Karl Moor

    The Kenyan Fraud: Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah a.k.a. Barack Sutoro

    Marx: “[I]n COMMUNIST society, where NOBODY HAS one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, SOCIETY REGULATES the general production and thus MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO ONE THING TODAY AND ANOTHER TOMORROW, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner.” (The Communist Manifesto)

    The Kenyan Fraud: In his Monarchical Ruling he is accomplishing his wishes … it possible for him to sleep until 10:00, after breakfast go to play basketball, after lunch give an interview to darling MSM, where he can LIE and mislead American People; after dinner blame Republicans, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News and NRA for his problems; next day play golf after breakfast, after dinner have party with the Hollywood’s deranged and dance the Hip-Hop for Homos like he danced on the 50+ years old boy Ellen Degeneres Show or the ‘firs witch’ can show her pole-dancing moves
    http://theblacksphere.net/2013/03/first-lady-pole-dancing/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk6JVUM2lEM

    Marx: “RELIGIOUS distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. RELIGION IS THE SIGH OF THE OPPRESSED CREATURE, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. IT IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE.‎” (The Communist Manifesto) (Complete nonsense!)

    The Kenyan Fraud: “THEY (crazy Americans) CLING TO THEIR GUNS OR RELIGION”.

    He Constantly distorting and twisting Bible into the Communist Manifesto.
    Covering Christian symbols in the George Town University during his
    teleprompter reading.
    In Three different occasions he OMITS “Creator” during reading the Preamble of The Declaration of Independence from the teleprompter

    The White House memo to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center released Sept. 14, 2011 stated in part: “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading material, and/or artifacts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” The listed Religios items ALL were Christian items, but not koran. (?!?!?!)

    Marx and the Kenyan FRAUD both are for the “COLLECTIVE” salvation (in the Hell).

    Karl Marx COULD NEVER HOLD DOWN A REAL STABLE SALARIED JOB, he was utterly EGO-CENTRIC and oblivious to the plights of his poor wife and children, with constant money problems, he lived off his parents’ cash and donations from his faithful friend Engels for most of his life.

    The Kenyan FRAUD COULD NEVER HOLD DOWN A REAL STABLE JOB, he is utterly EGO-CENTRIC and obliviously lived on his communists, terrorists and islamic friends donations and thefts, which he perpetrated by using his forged IDs, multiple SS# and multiple names.

    ALL documents that the Kenyan FRAUD has presented to the public are FORGED.

    Both, the Leftists’ mentor Marx and the Kenyan Kriminal constantly plotting world-changing utopia: from “the world as it is” to “the world as it should be”

    Both are nasty and both have the problems with the personal hygiene:
    Karl Marx was “stinky, broke, and mad”
    O’homobama is ‘SNORE-Y AND STINKY’, “he leaves his smelly socks around and he’ll hang his pants on the door”- Michelle Obama

    The Leftists’ daddy “Marx was just as SMELLY and personally USELESS as his modern-day follower”

    Both are anti-Semites, in spite of that Marx was a Jew.

    “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ

    “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4:41)

    Useless Liberals, who disagree with the FACTS I presented, please, do NOT hesitate to debunk them, but with the REAL facts and not empty rants.

    Thank you for reading. Now you know the truth.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said an keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Good job with the thumbs up, but expect the less intelligent libturds and progturds to sabotage that. Here are some more articles about Obama bin Laden, his administration, and the left wing wackos.
      http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/09/college-students-sign-petition-put-birth-control-citys-water-supply/
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/09/27/fix-bayonets/
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/states-fight-back-obamacare-navigators/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “To the eternal and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever. Amen!”
      Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
      Revolutionary General
      Legislator
      Signer of the Constitution
      Diplomat
      Devout Christian

    • FreedomFighter

      Great 8 as usual Ben, loved the picture of Pelosi, that woman could gag a maggot.
      Undergroud Rumors:October surprise coming? As “The Hawk” says…get your money of paper, buy food, ammo, water purification, gold and silver…get prepared. You just never know, Oblamer is looking a bit wacko lately, maybe even desperate
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Dems/Progs/Leftists will call O’s desperation as righteous indignation.
        God help the people who thwart O.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” (Psalm 118:26)

        “Hosanna to the Son of David! ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’[a] Hosanna in the highest!” (Matthew 21:9)

        This is my favorite version. Hope you’ll like it. (Based on the above verses) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-WwfgjHuTE

        “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.” (John 5:43)

        “[F]or I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ (Matthew 23:39)

        • KG

          Note that this is to the LAST church. Read it carefully. It would seem to describe Modern Christianity.

          Revelation 3:14-22
          King James Version (KJV)
          14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
          15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
          16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
          17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
          18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
          19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
          20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:

          What door? The door of THE CHURCH!!!

          …if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
          21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
          22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Oh. you still distorting and twisting the God’s Word, son of Devil.

          • KG

            How can I be distorting and twisting? I am only pointing out what ir says – rather than what I WANT IT TO SAY, which is what you and your Preacher does.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I will not play your demonic game. I tried to be nice to you, but you are a REAL jerk. You, 47-year old boy can NOTHING to do, but masturbate your EVIL. Masturbate it with your ilk. I do not waste my precious time on you anymore.

            I could care less what and how you see
            Don’t think that you will change me
            I’m just that way and that’s just me
            My God already changed me.

            Bye-bye bitter jerk.

          • KG

            Please, don;t be bitter. I still love you as a human being. Here’s a little poem that you made me think of:

            Man’s got his woman to take his seed
            He’s got the power, yeah and she’s got the need
            She spends her life through pleasing up her man
            She feeds him dinner or anything she can
            She cries alone at night too often
            And I smoke and drink I don’t come home at all
            Only women bleed

            And man makes your hair gray, I’m your life’s mistake
            All you’re really lookin’ for is an even break
            I lie right at her you know you hate this game
            I slaps her once in a while she live and love in pain
            She cries alone at night too often
            And I smoke and drink I don’t come home at all
            Only women bleed

            Black eyes all of the time don’t spend a dime
            Clean up this grime and you there down on your knees
            Begging me please come watch me bleed
            Only women bleed

            Alice Cooper : Only Women Bleed

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            No wander she ran from you not looking back.
            So nothing left for you, but smoke, drink and scratch your belly. She found another man who loves & respects her.
            Go back and masturbate your evil.

          • KG

            I still love you. You can step on my heart all you want, just don’t stop! That’s how you tell me that you love me too.

            I gotta get a melody to go with this. This is turning into a great song!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “I still love you.”
            It’s intresting turning. Just two days ago you told me you hate me. So it’s from “hate” —–> “love” in two days.
            Your cynicism is rooted too deep, my dear.
            P.S. Just find nice melody, not one that you sent me before.

          • KG

            I should hope that I never said I ‘hate’ you or anyone (with the exception of Right-Wing Republican/libertarian/Nazis ). And even these folks deserve a chance. If you really want to know how I feel, listen to Imagine by John Lennon. While I may not be perfect in it’s application, I strive every day to make it through our ‘Shared Hallucination’ known as Life.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0FX_ROcNV4

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Sorry, I did not get it. Are you Harold or “they all are alike”?

            The problem is that you created your “Hallucination”.
            Free yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8pJW-X6fAw

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL0KNYT5MQU

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You would have to be hallucinating, Cagey, to think that Communism would work after all the experiential historical failures.

          • KG

            What about all the failures of Capitalism? I would hope that it’s not “either / or” but more like the “modified government regulated capitalism” that we have today? Why not do Government ‘buffet’ style? Take what you want/need and leave the rest? I think if you are honest in your assessment of what the Founding Fathers set down in the Constitution, with a bi-cameral legislature and the convoluted process it takes to change law, that compromise, debate, and discourse on these subjects were to be expected in the future.

          • Jana

            Capitalism may not be perfect but Socialism and Communism takes God out of the picture and worships man. That is a set up for utter failure. That is certainly not perfect and wrought with failures.

          • KG

            Our founding Fathers, especially Thomas Jefferson, would tell you that one of the many reasons for their Rebellion against England was to establish a secular government that was NOT based in any kind of religious power but to ESCAPE the religious turmoil that they had experienced in Europe. While Providence was recognized, He was not central to a government of Men who wish to rule among themselves instead of under a King or Priest. If you want to live in a theocracy, you could move to Iran.

          • Jana

            KG, OH BLAH BLAH BLAH!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You did not answer my question to you (my reply bellow).

            But now re-reading your reply I noticed that you are talking about the John Lennon’s song Imagine, but you provided link to Harold And Maude with the song Where Do the Children Play? by Cat Stevens.

            So my question is: Was your link erroneous or you meant the clip from Harold And Maude?

            I listened Imagine and read the Lyrics.
            Imagine there’s no heaven
            and No hell below us…
            I hope someday you’ll join us
            And the world will be as one

            It’s totally utopian dream/imagination.
            People in one family have different beliefs, views, likenesses, and when comes the moment that one can’t accept and tolerate differences anymore, house/family cannot survive. I know that thru my personal experience.

            And there is hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA1V7cI28hI

            And there is Heaven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhwM21NmsWk

          • KG

            The key to John Lennon’s Magum Opus is the perspective of the singer. Imagine you ARE in ‘heaven’ – then the song makes perfect sense. Because IF we ARE in ‘Heaven’, there will be no hell below us – there will be sharing of everything – there will be no religion.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs

            The Harold and Maude clip was an example of the nature of our reality and the notion of perspective as well. While Harold imagines himself as “…just like everybody else…”, Maude reminds him that we are all special, but allow ourselves to be treated like the anonymous tombs of dead soldiers or ‘pawns in chess’. The movie was made in 1971 at the height of the Vietnam war.

            I was also thinking about this as well!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajcx2ggh6bY

          • Jana

            KG, It does describe modern Christianity. Can you tell me in your own words what it means? What does God want us to do about it?

          • KG

            Matthew 7:11-12
            King James Version (KJV)
            11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
            12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

          • Jana

            KG,

            I will explain it to you.
            Revelation 3:14-22
            14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
            15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

            (He knows our works. UH OH- what works? We don’t have any works. Oh we go to church and pass out donuts. We smile at our friends. HOWEVER, if we see someone doing something wrong we turn around and go the other way. Making a stand for right is way over our head and pay grade! If we see someone in trouble we dare not lift a finger or give a helping hand, after all it might require a little work on our part and we are busy
            people. No, we are not on fire for the Lord nor are we cold to the Lord. We say we love God but we just pay lip service to HIM.)

            16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. (Since God really knows us inside out, and He reads our hearts, and knows our intentions whether we have been luke warm or on fire or cold to Him.)

            17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

            18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy
            nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

            (When we go to heaven we will be clothed with our good deeds. These will be our garments. We must anoint our eyes with Truth so we can have them opened so we can see , and do what it says in v. 19 repent and start acting upon our faith.)

            19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

            20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:

            (What door? The door of THE CHURCH!!! (We are the church NOT A BUILDING , His people)

            …if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

            21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father saith unto the churches.

            (To him that repents and turns back to His first love which is Christ and starts standing for Truth and acting on that Truth which is the OVERCOMETH part Jesus will grant that church and any person in that church that overcomes to sit with him in his throne.

          • KG

            You have completely missed the mark, or intentionally lied about it. The ‘works’ He is talking about are the works that YOU ‘think’ are necessary for salvation. If you think you need to stop an armed robber to gain Christ’s favor then YOU are using ‘works’ to gain salvation through YOUR OWN HANDS.

            Ephesians 2:7-9

            King James Version (KJV)

            7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            If we feel justified through OUR own actions, the why even need Christ?

            17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
            18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy
            nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

            This passage is directed at the audience here at PLD. Bob as well as his minions all believe that their wealth will save them from suffering in the end days, but Christ warns us about that. Many christians today judge people by their wealth rather than their hearts. And G-d hates that.

            James 2:1-5
            King James Version (KJV)
            2 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
            2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
            3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
            4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
            5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

            20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:
            (What door? The door of THE CHURCH!!!

            Because you have ‘faith’ in your works, Christ is of no use to you.

            Galatians 5:1-6
            King James Version (KJV)
            5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
            2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised (works of the flesh), Christ shall profit you nothing.
            3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
            4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
            5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
            6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

            I’m not going to Heaven because of what I did, I’m going because of what HE DID.

            1 Corinthians 15:55-57
            King James Version (KJV)
            55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
            56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
            57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

          • Jana

            Of course we have salvation ONLY BECAUSE Christ died for our sins and gave us a way for redemption IF we repent and ask for forgiveness. But, because we have faith we SHOW we have that faith in God. We are not ashamed of God. We stand up for God.

            I NEVER STATED THAT WORKS ARE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION, YOU ASSIGNED THAT STATEMENT TO ME!

            I was explaining what Rev.3 14-22 meant. You always jump around so much. Works are a fruit of or a result of salvation.

            I have stated before that you have no reading comprehension.

            Titus 3:8
            8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will
            that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men

            Rev 14:13
            13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

            James 2:14-20
            14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

            15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily
            food,

            16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

            17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being
            alone.

            18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

            19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

            20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

          • KG

            quote: I NEVER STATED THAT WORKS ARE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION, YOU ASSIGNED THAT STATEMENT TO ME!

            However, ask any of your pastors what they REALLY think of that statement! The modern Christian church is all about works! That’s what the ‘prepper’ movement is ALL ABOUT! How do I ‘shew myself worthy’? By the number of tuna fish cans in my basement!

            That’s why Republicans are against Obamacare. They feel that people who get sick have ‘sinned’ and therefore DO NOT DESERVE HEALTHCARE! THAT IS EVIL!

            Sorry for shouting, but I wanted to make sure you knew the importance of that fact.

            Mark 2:17
            King James Version (KJV)
            17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

          • Jana

            Why don’t you ask your own pastor.

            You will continue to twist the scriptures to fit your own agenda like any good little Socialist.

          • KG

            1 Peter 2:9
            King James Version (KJV)
            9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light…

            I’m my OWN pastor.

          • Jana

            AND A SOCIALIST?????

            WOW

          • KG

            If anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
            — Matthew 5:40-42
            Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
            — 1 Corinthians 10:24

            Seems that I’m in good company with Christ.
            How about you?

          • Jana

            I have no idea what you do or you don’t do. I am not with you daily, and I don’t read your heart (but rest assured God knows every single thing you do and why you do it), just your words and they don’t sound very fruitful or sweet, more like a Socialist or communist, which takes God out of the picture.
            I do not my alms before men, that they see my good works and glorify me, I want God glorified in what I do, so I am not going to debate with you about who does what or the most. That is ridiculous and fruitless!

          • KG

            quote: I want God glorified in what I do

            Isaiah 64:6
            King James Version (KJV)
            6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

            Jeremiah 3:6
            King James Version (KJV)
            6 The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

            There is NOTHING we as humans can do that could come close to pleasing G-d. That’s why we NEED the grace of Jesus.

            1 Corinthians 15:10
            King James Version (KJV)
            10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

            The “good works’ come as a result of being Saved, not as a requirement to be saved.

          • Jana

            Well finally you got something right. Praise GOD!

            YHVH Be praised.

          • KG

            Amen!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you don’t know what Alondra’s Preacher does, so you are simply lying.

          • KG

            Any one who has attend any kind of ‘conservative Christian church’ since about 1978 has been thoroughly indoctrinated in the lexicon and propaganda of the Right-wing Republican mindset. When, during the Carter administration, a proposal was made that questioned churches Tax-free status due to their “…gift of the Month” schemes. At that point, even though nothing was made of it, just the THREAT of such a proposal was enough for all of the so-called ‘Christian’ churches to become supporters of the Republicans. Not because of any kind of ‘moral superiority’ but for economic reasons.

          • Jana

            Woe there KG are doing what you complain blame others of doing? JUDGING here? Sure sounds like it.

          • KG

            Nope – just reporting the facts as they present themselves. If the fact fit, then it’s not so much ‘judgement’ as intellectual honesty. If something is Blue I cannot say it’s Orange. Unless you are a Republican!

          • Jana

            If you were truly qualified to judge that would be one thing, but alas, we all know you are greatly flawed. There is only one Great Judge.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What are you trying to say, Cagey? What is your purpose of throwing the Bible verses in as they are disjoint from the rest?

          • KG

            Read my post carefully and you may understand.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        World Bank Whistleblower Predicts and Explains Lawlessness when U S Dollar Loses International Currency Status http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ayjFKRQ2A

    • liz

      I wish there was something I could add but you covered everything. Awesome

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. I’ve already stoked the fire and are ready to roast some libturds and progturds. I love the smell of roasting libturds/progturds in the morning. Here are just a few articles about Obama bin Laden Care, that unconstitutional program.
    http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12658/will-obamacare-cost-family-4-additional-7450/
    http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12642/acknowledged-lower-prices-mean-less-healthcare-product/
    http://www.heritage.com/2013/09/25/what-hhs-didnt-tell-you-about-obamacare-exchange-plans/
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-report-tennessee-men-face-290-women-197-obamacare-hike/article/2536363
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/how-obamacare-threatens-to-shred-constitution/
    I dare any libturd/progturd to try to discredit these sources. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves Obama bin Laden out.
    “Christians are like the several flowers in a garden that have each of them the dew of heaven, which, being shaken with the wind, they let fall at each other’s roots, whereby they are jointly nourished, and become nourishers of each other.”
    John Bunyan

  • dan

    absurd how healthcare is a ”RIGHT” but life isn’t….
    Those who compromise with evil will soon be consumed by it.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Isn’t it amazing how the libturds/progturds not only want Americans to not be self reliant and personally responsible, but they also want to offer their babies to Molech. I guess this is what happens within the ranks of the godless party. Here is an article about money missing from Obama bin Laden Care.
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/67-million-missing-obamacare-slush-fund/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “I still cling to the cross of my Redeemer, and with God’s aid firmly resolve to lead a life less unworthy of one who calls himself the humble follower of Jesus Christ.”
      John Randolf of Roanoke

      • KG

        Why did G-d find it necessary to commit Infanticide twice in the Bible when two of the most important people in the Bible were going to be born?

        • Sam

          What are you talking about, KG? God only destroyed the idol worshipers and the evil.

          • KG

            Exodus 1:16
            King James Version (KJV)
            16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live….
            22 And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.

            Matthew 2:16-18
            King James Version (KJV)
            16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,
            18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

            G-d did not say to protest or put pictures of dead babys on signs to stop these slaughters. He let babys be slaughterd. Explain THAT one????

          • StinkBomb Jones

            You are so confused spiritually & intellectually, it is very sad, so I will pray for thee to be enlightened. May God open your eyes, so wisdom flows! One does not need a book to know what is right & wrong, the Law is written in all our hearts & souls, it is just covered up by spiritual pollution & debris, so many cannot discern Truth. The following is in the Bible, as well & may it penetrate your consciousness & that of all anti-lifers!

            Deuteronomy 30:19

            19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

          • Sam

            We do need God’s Word to know right from wrong on many things. That’s because we are born into sin. We are born selfish. The Bible is an instruction book that has allowed us to survive. Otherwise, we would have exterminated ourselves long ago I think. I get this from something I read which said that 98% of all people ever born were born after Jesus walked the earth. That means only 2% of all people were born in 5 thousand years? That is not good progress.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            Yes, I hear ‘ya….However, there are many great spiritual books besides the Bible that have profound truths in them as well & can be our guides & signposts through life & there are very holy men & women amongst all faiths…to me, they & the Bible also have been tampered with by the dark forces to keep people from the truth. Jesus’ message has been very perverted, for the way back to the Heart of God is not through Jesus, but through The Christ. God’s name is “I AM THAT I AM”…and when Jesus said, “I AM the WAY, I AM the TRUTH, I AM the LIFE”, he was not talking about his human self, but His Higher self, His real self, the Divine in Him, that is in all of us! After all, were we not created in the Divine Image, pure & holy? This “we were born into sin” is nonsense, it is only through misuse of our free will & sacred Energy, that our sin comes. Our path then becomes one of returning to the Heart of God from whence we came. Jesus was the wayshower on this path & His essential message is that we all have the same potential as Him, to make our Ascension as well, for verily did He not say, “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I AM going to the Father.”- John 14:12…the “me” He is referring to is the Divine in Him, the “I AM”, the Power of God that is in all of us.

            “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’-Psalm 82:6…and is not the son, all son’s true destiny to become just like the Father? At that great moment when we can say like Jesus, “I and my Father are ONE”- John 10:30

            But as Jesus said, “The Kingdom Of Heaven is within you!”- Luke 17:21

            It is in your heart & soul & mind and that includes the wisdom & discernment to know God’s will & the strength to do it! You see the Free Will is really not Free, but belongs to God, it comes from God & must be returned to him, therefore, do we go the way of the human or the way of God? As Jesus said, “Not my will, but Thine be done!” -Luke 22:42

            And, There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. -Proverbs 14:12

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Some much verbiage to say that you are estranged from God because you love your sins.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            I don’t know how you can read what I wrote & come up with that……..LOL!!! I do not love my sins & even if I did we are never estranged from God, because forgiveness & mercy are flowing constantly & there is hope for all!

          • Bob666

            Yo Stink,
            Nads seldom can draw a connection to what other people post-her’s are random thoughts that she comes up with and every now and then she makes sense.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            As they say, “even a broken clock is right twice a day”….except for Obummer’s!!!

          • Bob666

            Well Stink,
            I guess that it is all in how you look at life.

          • Jana

            You are right, it IS how you and Stink both look at life.
            I wish you looked at it differently. But, we have had this talk before.
            Have a nice day.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,

            “I wish you looked at it differently”

            Not everyone is going to agree with you Jana-and that really is OK. They are not all going to agree with me for that fact as well. Maturity is not only accepting this, but embracing it.

            It’s the only way people can learn from one another.

          • Jana

            My standard is the WORD OF GOD, it never changes.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,

            “My standard is the WORD OF GOD”

            And I am happy for you pertaining to that standard-for your self. But, does that mean the rest of of have to adhere to your standards as you perceive them as the word of god?

          • Jana

            Of course not. But as you have stated your wife is a Baptist. She should have the same standards.
            Neither is it that I perceive them as you suggest, it IS the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD.

          • Bob666

            Well Jana,

            “She should have the same standards”.

            That is not true. I was raised Presbyterian and she was raised southern Baptist and I can tell you there are two different interpretations of the bible.

            My late wife was raised Episcopalian and that was yet another spin on the same theme.

            The point that I am trying to make is; not everyone has the same opinion or outlook. The church that My late wife was raised in has a lesbian priest. They openly embrace all people and I was always welcomed there in spite of my differing opinions. The church that I was raised in is far more traditional and would probably tolerate a gay member if they stayed in the closet-don’t ask-don’t tell.

            The church that my wife was raised in would not show the same compassion to gay people (as I was just in that church two weeks ago and head a 90 minute fire and brimstone service for her fathers 80th Birthday).

            My wife does not believe in any type of discrimination towards people based on race, creed or sexual orientation in spite of her Southern Baptist upbringing.

            It gets down to the values that we hold as individuals.

          • Jana

            Well, if we believe in God, we should hold HIS values. that does not mean to hate anyone, but if you love someone, it means to have the nerve, or the guts, or the decency to tell them the truth, and that is God’s truth. You find out god’s truth by studying HIS Word and His letters to us. It takes up some time, but it is worth it.
            Hey Bob, we each will answer to God for what we know. You may do just fine, and since I have studied more maybe I am responsible for more. Actually, no maybe about it. I know I will. You hold onto your values and

            you and your sweet wife have a great rest of the day.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Very patronizing of you and very dismissive toward Jana.

          • Bob666

            Yo Nads,

            “I wish you looked at it differently. But, we have had this talk before”.

            “They are not all going to agree with me for that fact as well. Maturity is not only accepting this, but embracing it”.

            Nads,
            What color is the sky in your world? Compared to some of the crap that you post, my comment was down right diplomatic.

            All you have done is proven that you judgement of people is very clouded by your bias and perception of people, nothing more and nothing less..

          • Jana

            It’s nice that you want to comfort StinkBomb, Bob, but know what you are talking about BEFORE you talk here. Stink is wrong in what he is proclaiming. You are not helping him or yourself.

          • Karolyn

            It’s all in the perception and beliefs, Jana.

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,
            Could not have said it better myself.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            And in the interpretation, too. Thanks, Karolyn, one of the few times, I agree with you….LOL!!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Exactly – “the interpretation”.
            God’s Word is very clear. It doesn’t need YOUR interpretation.

            You are DISTORTING and TWISTING into the pretzel God’s Word.

            You are the Satan’s worker.

            “Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits…EVERY HEALTHY TREE BEARS GOOD FRUITS, but the DISEASED TREE BEARS BAD FRUIT…a diseased tree cannot bear good fruit. EVERY TREE THAT DOES NOT BEAR GOOD FRUIT IS CUT DOWN AND THROWN INTO THE FIRE.”” – Jesus Christ (Mt. 7; Jer.23)

          • Jana

            When you study using your tools and study often you find out what God’s interpretation is.

          • Jana

            I choose God’s perception, and God’s beliefs Karolyn. I do that by studying God’s Word diligently and daily, so I can know and understand the what’s and the why’s. It is quite eye opening.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            The Bible & Christianity (and all the major religions) have been severely perverted by the Fallen Angels, so souls would not know the truth & that people would be divided from Giod & each other….Heck they took out reembodiment form the Bible…the only way to understand Life is through the prism of Karma & Reincarnation…nothing else makes sense!

            St. Francis talked about reincarnation, reembodiment all the time in the public Square

          • Jana

            It is odd that most people want to go to heaven yet they proclaim that God’s Word has been perverted and choose not to turn to the very ONE WHO made the rules on who will or will not go to heaven and how to get there. Obviously you believe that God is not wise or smart enough to put protections in His word such as the Massarah which He did by the way to keep His very Word from being perverted.
            This is why we have tools and we use these tools to study the MIGHTY AND POWERFUL AND TRUE WORD OF GOD. We can study the Original King James Version and use a Good Strong’s Concordance as well as a Smith’s Bible Dictionary as well as a Wycliffe Bible Dictionary. Plus spend some time studying chapter by chapter, verse by verse and doing it prayerfully.
            You would be surprised what truths can be learned.

            But to each his own.

          • Jana

            It is odd that most people want to go to heaven yet they proclaim that God’s Word has been perverted and choose not to turn to the very ONE WHO made the rules on who will or will not go to heaven and how to get there. Obviously you believe that God is not wise or smart enough to put protections in His word such as the Massarah which He did by the way to keep His very Word from being perverted.
            This is why we have tools and we use these tools to study the MIGHTY AND POWERFUL AND TRUE WORD OF GOD. We can study the Original King James Version and use a Good Strong’s Concordance as well as a Smith’s Bible Dictionary as well as a Wycliffe Bible Dictionary. Plus spend some time studying chapter by chapter, verse by verse and doing it prayerfully.
            You would be surprised what truths can be learned.

            But to each his own.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So if the Bible and Judaism (the oracles of God came first to them) and then Christianity have been severely perverted by the “Fallen Angels” how is it your beliefs of Hinduism have been left alone? Unless the “Fallen Angels” wanted to destroy the good but leave their own perversion to exist.

          • Karolyn

            Amen!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            The Mentally PERVERT and DEPRAVED ignoramus said “amen”.

            Good. Satan knows his own.

            “Then the devil, who had DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the FIERY LAKE of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the FALSE PROPHETS. There THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOREVER and EVER…And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10, 15)

            P.S. Cast out your devilish demons,

          • Jana

            There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus THE CHRIST.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            LIE!!! LIE!!! LIE!!! The LORD tells you:
            “13Enter by the narrow gate; for WIDE is the gate and broad is the way that LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are FEW WHO FIND IT.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:13-14)

            “24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I DO NOT KNOW YOU, where you are from. DEPART FROM Me, ALL YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY.’ – Jesus Christ (Luke 13:24-27)

            Christ’s Gospel not a gospel of appeasement/ pacification/ conciliation. It’s not a gospel of “feel good”. It’s about REPENTANCE, FORGIVENESS & SALVATION:

            “…REPENT and believe in the Gospel.” – Jesus
            Christ (Mark 1:15)

            “…unless you REPENT, you will all likewise perish.” – Jesus Christ (Luke 13:3)

            “And the times of this ignorance GOD winked at; but now COMMANDS ALL MEN everywhere to REPENT, because He has appointed a day, in which He will JUDGE the world in righteousness by that Man…” (Acts 17:30)

            “God exalted Him [Jesus Christ] at His right hand as Leader and Savior, to give REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS of sins.”(Acts 5:31)

            Without true REPENTANCE there is no
            FORGIVENESS.

            Man can’t be “born again” without REPENTANCE:

            “12 But to all WHO DID RECEIVE Him, to them He gave the right to BECOME CHILDREN of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 WHO WERE BORN, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13)

            P.S. STOP preach Satan’s gospel.

          • Karolyn

            You have the most screwed up reasoning of anybody on here! How can you get that out of what Stink wrote?

          • Guest

            A M E N !!!

          • Sam

            “Misuse of freewill” is the same as sin, isn’t it?
            Disobedience to God is sin. Yes, God is in us IF we invite Him in. We live in a sin filled world and that’s what we are born into. Whether we do right or wrong is up to us. Jesus said in the same line you quoted that “no one gets to the Father but by Me”.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            But here is where His message is severely perverted…The “ME” is not the personality Jesus, but the Divine in Him, “THE I AM PRESENCE” that is in us ALL! PSALM 82:6…”we are ALL Sons & Daughters of the Most High”..and the meaning of life is transcendence, All Sons are meant to become just like the Father…we all were born into that Perfection of the Divine Image, we have lost it & need to regain it. We ALL have the same potential as Jesus, we just haven’t manifested it yet!

          • Karolyn

            Thank you Stink.

          • vicki

            Jesus even told us that we have the potential.

            “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” – KJV John 14:12

          • Sam

            We lost it at the fall of Adam and Eve. But through God’s grace, He showed us the way to survive on this earth. We are never going to be perfect, though. If we could be perfect, we wouldn’t get sick or hurt each other. We would obey God like we should and we would live forever. As long as the devil walks the earth, we cannot reach perfection. However, by keeping our eye on God, we can achieve miracles while we are here.
            I think you are speaking of what I know as the Trinity, which is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You are a LIAR and DECEIVER.
            “You are of your father the devil, and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT. (John 8:44)

            “And many false prophets will rise and will deceive many…even God’s chosen ones. See, I have warned you.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew.24)

            They “will bring in DAMNABLE HERESY, even denying the Lord that bought them, and BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION. And MANY WILL FOLLOW their pernicious ways (evil teaching). And because of them THE WAY of TRUTH WILL BE SLANDERED. In their greed they will MAKE UP CLEVER LIES to get hold of your MONEY. But they are CONDEMNED long time ago, and THEIR DESTRUCTION IS ON THE WAY.” (2Pet.2:1-3; Deut.13)

            “For the time will come when PEOPLE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH SOUND DOCTRINE. Instead, TO SUIT THEIR OWN DESIRESThey will turn their ears AWAY FROM THE TRUTH and turn aside TO MYTHS. (2Tim.4:2-4)

            StinkBomb Jones: “there are many great spiritual books besides the Bible.”

            It’s Another your LIE.
            DO NOT ADD to His Words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:6)

            “18 For[i] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life. (Revelation 22:18-19)

          • nc

            Sam, How long has man been on earth? When Jesus walked the earth there were already enough people to populate the earth to the extent that they were scattered all across the globe. They were already reading and writing in China! Building pyramids in Egypt, and according to Mittens Bible meeting with Jesus over here to get the “WORD” and instructions on how to form a church! Only 5000 years to get that scattered with only 2% of the people is hard for me to believe!

          • KG

            Infanticide
            Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us — he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!
            — Psalm 137:8-9
            The LORD commands: “kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children”
            — Ezekiel 9:5-6

          • Jana

            Again using scripture to fit your own agenda just like Satan. You must be very proud of yourself. You can read. Wow

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: InfanticideHappy is he who repays you for what you have done to us — he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!
            — Psalm 137:8-9

            There are many scriptures that can be ripped out of their context to make a case against them. For example the Muslims especially make use of Psalm 137:9 Happy the one who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock!

            If we read the Scripture in context and then go to other Scriptures and history we find its true meaning.

            Psalm 137:8-9: “O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed, happy the one who repays you as you have served us! Happy the one who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock!

            God is not telling Israel to smash the heads of their infants against rocks. Israel was taken captive with their children by the Babylonians in several different invasions.

            God is pronouncing judgment upon Babylon for its great sin in showing no mercy when it destroyed Jerusalem and led the Jews captive. God is stating that Babylon will be dealt in the same manner that she treated Israel (according to prophecy). The day is coming when an enemy (will rejoice in its triumph over Babylon, and will be happy in the Slaughter). It was the Medes and Persians that conquered Babylon. She was completely overtaken and ruined by these empires. And just as she rejoiced in destroying Jerusalem and Israel, God says her conquerors will rejoice in destroying her, including her innocent infants.

            God is not commanding such barbaric behavior but stating what the future will be for Babylon.. This was a fulfillment of Isaiah 13:15-16: Everyone who is found will be thrust through, and everyone who is captured will fall by the sword. Their children also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.”

            KG: The LORD commands: “kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children”
            — Ezekiel 9:5-6

            You conveniently left out verses 1-4 in which, those who mourn, because of the sins of Israel, were marked and spared, and vs 9-10, which says, Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is very, very great, and the land is filled with blood and the city is full of perversion; for they say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land, and the Lord does not see!’ But as for Me, My eye will have no pity nor will I spare, but I will bring their conduct upon their heads. All of which you left out because it doesn’t make your case, that being, God is unmerciful and full of irrational-hate.

          • KG

            In the recent mall-shooting in Kenya, many survivors were spared If they could recite a Muslim prayer. Does THAT make their terror attack any better? During the Spanish Inquisition it was common for people sentenced to death to recite a prayer before the Judges to spare their souls. Did this make the Inquisition any less evil?

            I think you are trying to justify evil behavior on behalf of belief in G-d.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: I think you are trying to justify evil behavior on behalf of belief in G-d.

            If that were true, i would then assign every evil behaviour committed by man, regardless of motivation, whether religious or otherwise, to that as commanded by God. That, of course, is absurd, as that would make God out to be pure evil. But you must keep in mind that God exercises “justice”, which can appear at times, rather severe, and can be construed as evil by those who lack discernment. God repays evil with evil, and that’s the bottom line. Don’t like it? Don’t commit evil.

          • dan

            I think you’re confusing the Harrod administration with God’s Sovereign Will….and Harrod was in Roman times ,not Egyptian/diaspran (and what Pharoh and Harrod CHOSE for evil God confounded and turned for good)
            else we would not have had Moses (the lawgiver) or Jesus (the law fulfillment)

          • AttMore

            AMEN!!!

          • marihia

            Sorry boy/girl, you got the wrong slant on God, for those who believe in God, it’s a personal comfort, God doesn’t stop natural disasters, killings, ovomit, and etc, look at Rose Kennedy, whether you like her or not, look at all the horrendous heartbreak that women endured, BUT SHE NEVER LOST HER FAITH.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Most of the problems Rose Kennedy brought on herself by marrying with human trash with her eyes wide open. All the character traits of the Kennedys were visible and she chose to ignore them. What faith are you talking about?

          • craig

            What do people think faith building is .. when nothing ever happens to you in a negative way what so ever but you are able to get thru it … NOT

          • marihia

            WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKIN!!!

          • NC

            MSBETS, DOES IT SAY IN YOUR BIBLE THAT GOD IS ALL POWERFUL! HOW POWERFU? DO WE TEACH THE CHILDREN HE IS??? DOES ANY ONE BUT YOU KNOW WHEN HE IS IN CHARGE OF WHEN HE HAS STEPPED BACK AND LETTING THE MORTALS TAKE THE LEAD ??I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO “BELIEVE IN GOD” WHO SEE IT QUITE DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU<l BUT THEY HAVE IT WRONG??? REALLY!
            MAN CREATED "GOD" BECAUSE HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND LIGHTING, SNOW AND THE NEED FOR NAGGING WOMEN! AND HE MADE DIFFERENT ONES IN EVERY PART OF THE WORLD WHERE THE QUESTIONS AROSE!

          • nc

            MSBet, I have no idea what happened! What I was saying was man made “God” because he did not understand lighting, snow or the need for nagging women! He created a different God in every part of the world where these things occurred at his campfire!

          • marihia

            HEY, THAT’S FINE WITH ME A–HOLE, I’M NOT A DEVOTE, HARD LINE CHRISTIAN, YOU LET ME BELIEVE THEY WAY I WANT TO AND YOU DO THE SAME, THAT WAS MY OPINION………….AND I STILL BELIEVE GOD DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SEE IT MY WAY, SO F OFF……….WHAT EVER YOUR ON MUST BE GOOD STUFF, BUBBA

          • Sam

            Yes, the Pharoah and King Herod wanted the first son of the Jews killed. They feared the God of the Jews and they feared that they would multiply and rise up. One has to know the context of the Bible to understand a lot of it. We have death because we are born into sin. The devil uses pain, death and suffering to try and turn us from God. Read about Job. Satan rules the earth right now but not forever. We know this because he offered to give all the kingdoms to Jesus if only Jesus would bow to him. Satan could not give what he did not have already. Jesus triumphed over death, hell and the grave. Satan cannot raise the dead. Only God can. We are lucky that we are still here considering that all people have done is rebel against God since Adam and Eve. Instead of completely destroying us, through His grace, God gave us a way out of sin. I have found that the more I study the Bible, history and related things, the more the puzzle comes together. It’s amazing.

          • Sam

            Yes, the Pharoah and King Herod wanted the first son of the Jews killed. They feared the God of the Jews and they feared that they would multiply and rise up. One has to know the context of the Bible to understand a lot of it. We have death because we are born into sin. The devil uses pain, death and suffering to try and turn us from God. Read about Job. Satan rules the earth right now but not forever. We know this because he offered to give all the kingdoms to Jesus if only Jesus would bow to him. Satan could not give what he did not have already. Jesus triumphed over death, hell and the grave. Satan cannot raise the dead. Only God can. We are lucky that we are still here considering that all people have done is rebel against God since Adam and Eve. Instead of completely destroying us, through His grace, God gave us a way out of sin. I have found that the more I study the Bible, history and related things, the more the puzzle comes together. It’s amazing.

          • hippybiker

            Herod was a Governor appointed by the Romans. i think according to the Bible he was not a Hebrew but what Christ called a false Jew. As you know. Satan does believe in God, just ask him. He also can quote scripture rather well, as you do. Food for thought? Sorry Sam. This comment was in answer to KG.

          • Dolly Dagger

            Sounds a lot like Obama!!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Herod was an Edomite.

          • KG

            Your statement proves your racist proclivities, as well as the racist intent of Teapartiers in general.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What has Herod being an Edomite have to do with 2013 America and the Tea Party movement, Cagey?

          • KG

            Are Jews a race?

          • Jana

            Are you human???

          • KG

            I’m a cybernetic organism fueled by Colombian Coffee and a desire to offend as many Conservatives as I can by telling the truth.

            I’ll ask the question again: Are Jews a race?

          • Moshe McCarthy

            No, not at all..there are jews of all races!

          • vicki

            You can only offend those who foolishly let you have the power to offend them.

          • KG

            Like yourself? HAHAHAHA!

          • Karolyn

            Amen, Vicki! I’ve always liked the phrase “Don’t let anybody live in your head rent free.” The power people have to affect us in any way is something that we give them.

          • vicki

            You can only offend those who foolishly let you have the power to offend them.

          • Jana

            Thank you Sam

          • nc

            KG, I’m still trying to figure out what those innocent children of the Egyptians did that was so wrong that a benevolent (?) God(?) would come around at midnight and kill them? I thought he was just pi$$ed at the Pharaoh??
            If God(?) killed them “already born” babies maybe he would not get all “swole up” over a mass of cells feeling no pain or any not already born!
            Personally, I am in favor of the limitations as set by the Republican controlled Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade!!

          • HOPE FOR HAPPINESS

            You are wrong, it is not a mass of cells, or embryo, or fetus, these are just words to obscure the truth that is a human being at a stage of life we ALL have been at! CASE CLOSED & studies show that the pain is felt very early on….The culture of death is alive in this nation & will bring the judgment, for verily it already has, as the number or people murdered on 9/11 is about equal to the number aborted legally everyday! NO COINCIDENCE!

          • Jana

            AMEN!

          • FreedomFighter

            ” I’m still trying to figure out what those innocent children of the Egyptians did that was so wrong that a benevolent (?) God(?) ”
            The leadership of the Egyptian people did not heed GODS words, a lesson our leadership and you would do well to learn.
            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • KG

            So, your saying the Egyptians were ‘alright’ with G-d, other than not heeding his word? So that’s why slavery was OK in the South. Got ya!

          • Bart Bunsen

            It was not OK, and was corrected & the nation was cleansed of that darkness & many souls gave their lives for that!

          • Jana

            AMEN

          • craig

            that is some of the best extrapolating I have ever seen.

          • FreedomFighter

            They in the south at the time, did not heed GODs word either, the slaves were emancipated the south left in ruins and the people wishing they had heeded his words. Please KG you have an argument with GOD take it up with him, read the BIBLE.
            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

          • Jana

            AMEN, and good point.

          • WTS/JAY

            If you recall, KG, the Egyptians refused to heed God’s command to “let His people go”. God gave the Egyptians plenty of warnings and chances to obey His command, yet they refused to obey and release the Israelites. Finally, He took matters into His own hands.

          • Moshe McCarthy

            INNER MEANING (TRUE MEANING) of Government=”GOD OVER MEN”

            No system, no matter how good will work if the representatives of the people & the people are not walking with God, seeking His counsel & trying to do His Will, no matter the cost to the human!

          • Jana

            Innocent children? They were worshiping false gods. God likens it to committing adultery. He says He is a Jealous God. He will NOT stand for it.
            All souls belong to Him, even yours. It is your heart He wants and your love, and your obedience. To get that you must read His Word.

          • Jana

            You know KG, the way you always bring up scriptures and twist and distort these scriptures to make them fit your agenda is just like those who have a religious Demon do, as well as just like Satan always does in the Bible.

          • KG

            How does G-d fulfill His will on earth? By allowing things to happen. So, it was G-ds will that all of those babies were killed.

            I think you are missing the point. In spite of the terrible actions, G-ds plans STILL went through. Any abortions done are NOT going to affect what G-d wants to do.

          • craig

            GOD GIVES FREEWILL… HE DOES NOT PRACTICE IT

          • smilee

            His will be done,I think he does it freely,no one has a gun to his head!!!

          • Bart Bunsen

            You don’t understand life…all the darkness comes from mankind, but God gave us Free Will & the Godhead cannot interfere with it! Eventually, either all come to the Light or will be destroyed & the energy used in another creation. We are co-creators with God, and therefore must seek to do His Will & not follow the human, for as Jesus said in his crucial moment, “Nevertheless, not my will, but Thine be done.”.. We face these challenges everyday, and if you surrender the human self, & earnestly seek God, the Way will be made plain, but it is a “straight & narrow” path & not easy to give up the human!

            To say that abortion is not going to affect God’s plans is pure ignorance, for the way of God is mercy, forgiveness & above all, Life!

          • craig

            very well said

          • KG

            Are you an AA? Or follow the old Oxford Club? You sound like it. “Let go and let G-d.” Is it an ‘intellectual’ thing? Is it something purely in my Mind? Do I actually make a choice or are certain choices presented to me. And am I aware of ALL the choices available? Or only certain ones?

            Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
            — 1 Samuel 15:3

          • nc

            Bart,you say” for the way of God is mercy forgiveness and above all ,LIFE” Why did that not apply to the children he PERSONALLY killed in Egypt when he was pi$$ed at the Pharaoh?? “AND ABOVE ALL, LIFE” REALLY????

          • vicki

            God promised and gave us the gift of free will. To interfere with it would be to tarnish the gift and break that promise. As you said, God WILL NOT do that.

          • vicki

            God promised and gave us the gift of free will. To interfere with it would be to tarnish the gift and break that promise. As you said, God WILL NOT do that.

          • Jana

            KG is a wannabe Scripture Lawyer. He only uses Scriptures to make it fit his agenda. He twists and misuses the Bible. He can’t even spell the name of our GOD out.

        • Sue Doe

          How can anyone read the Bible & think God condones abortion baffles the heck out of me!!! Shortly after the egg is fertilized, the soul descends to occupy it & the woman is meant to give birth at a certain time & place in accordance with Divine Law & Cosmic Cycles. If the Free Will choice is to destroy that life, the soul must rise back to the Heavenly realms & wait maybe hundreds of years to reembody again:

          Jeremiah 1:5

          New International Version (NIV)

          5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,
          before you were born I set you apart;

          Listen, my son! Listen, son of my womb! Listen, my son, the answer to my prayers!

          -Proverbs, 31:2

          Psalm 139:13

          New International Version (NIV)

          13 For you created my inmost being;
          you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Playing with words again, Cagey. Attempting to elevate yourself and say how stupid “Christians” are for not knowing the Bible.

          • Jana

            Nadzieeja,
            Craig is the good guy here. You have mistaken something he has said.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Cagey, what is the difference between abortion now and putting the child out in the elements to die by wild animals as the cultured people of civilized societies of Rome and Greece did? Or how about the child sacrifice to Ba’al or Moloch which the priestcraft of the time put in the arms of the statue and then burn the child alive and this was done to bring good fortune.

          • craig

            I know!!! the cost of the abortion…..AND WE KNOW BETTER NOW!! HEBREWS 10:26

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You know what? Why would you know the cost of the abortion? “and we know better now”, what does that even mean?

          • craig

            the cost in the abortion..as in.. you have to pay to murder…and we know better now “cause we do” we are more civilized (some of us)now…the word sacrifice to me means something totally different.

        • WTS/JAY

          KG: Why did G-d find it necessary to commit Infanticide twice in the Bible when two of the most important people in the Bible were going to be born?

          In the Old Testament we find God ordering the Jews to kill all the men, women and children of the land He gave to the Jews. Why does God allow children to be killed?

          First of all, God is the Author and Sustainer of all, life, and He has the right to grant life or take it away according to His perfect will. The people that God judged in the Old Testament were not very nice people, to say the least. Also, and this important part is always missed; God always offered people forgiveness before judgment. The ones who were judged ignored the warnings and so chose to be judged. God announced judgment. Anyone who wanted to flee could have fled. God doesn’t judge the innocent.

          • KG

            This verse would suggest the opposite of what you just said.

            Mark 4:10-12
            King James Version (KJV)
            10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
            11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
            12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

          • Jana

            Yes KG because if their sins be forgiven and they were not ready to live a life of redemption and live a life for the Lord, they would go out and sin again, and be worse off than they were before. In other words, they were not ready yet.
            This is a prime case of reading the scriptures without comprehension.
            You really ARE ignorant of what the word really means aren’t you?

          • KG

            I’m afraid the ignorance is on YOUR part. Where shall I begin to show your mean-spirited, bigoted, selfish ways?

            Romans 10:13
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            John 3:16
            King James Version (KJV)
            16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

            So, is Christ a liar?
            Read on….

            Romans 10:13
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            1 John 3:6
            King James Version (KJV)
            6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

            I have abode in Christ since I was saved. What ever I do has already been forgiven – unlike those who do not know Christ.

            Matthew 7:21-23
            King James Version (KJV)
            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            Religious people like YOU need to read these words of Christ very carefully!

            Revelation 22:17
            King James Version (KJV)
            17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

            It’s not “do this and that” but “whosoever will”.

            Romans 4:5
            King James Version (KJV)
            5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

            It doesn’t matter how many doughnuts I pass out at prayer meeting night, my faith in Christ is enough!

            1 John 2:1
            King James Version (KJV)
            2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

            Besides, If I really screw-up, since my faith is in Christ, He will vouch for me – NO MATTER WHAT!!!

            That is the GOOD NEWS!

            Shalom & Mazel Tov!

          • Jana

            Then why do you continually twist and misuse the Words of the Bible to fit an evil agenda? Why are you ashamed to even spell out the very name of GOD, YHVH?
            John 14:15
            15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
            Matt 7:15-24
            15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
            16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
            17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
            18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
            corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
            19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn
            down, and cast into the fire.
            20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

            (Evil fruit such as trying to corrupt God’s word to fit your
            own agenda)
            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            (They will say we have accepted Christ as our Saviour, but which Christ? The spurious messiah or the True Messiah?)
            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
            depart from me, ye that work iniquity.————–

            You say, “It doesn’t matter how many doughnuts I pass out at prayer meeting night, my faith in Christ is enough!”—— Wow, its really nice that you show your church or synagogue the nice side of you, because you sure don’t show that side to anyone else.
            The fruit you show to others is very vey bitter.

            I always told my daughters if you are nice to your friends, but you are not nice to your sister or your mother or daddy, then you are a hypocrite.
            They would ask me how they could be a hypocrite if they were nice to others but not nice at home. I told them because you are pretending to be someone you are not. If you aren’t nice at home, then you aren’t really a nice person.

            KG, you pretend to be a nice person at church, but not on this board with strangers. KG, you are who you are. I really do hope and pray you ARE saved.

          • KG

            Oy veh! I DO NOT GO TO CHURCH! That’s where all the “religious Right Nazis” go to feel better after a week of screwing over people. Here is the reason I spell GAOTU’s name as G-d. It’s just a habit I have. Sometimes I do forget, but since my faith is in the completed works of Mashiach.

            http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

          • WTS/JAY

            You need to go to Matthew to get the full story. There, you will discover that Jesus is working from Isaiah 6:9-10, and that the subjects are “this people”, the people of Israel who refuse to see the Light or to hear the Word. Reading Matthew 19:10-15 should settle this. Verse 15 tells us that it is directed specifically to “this people”. Further, we see that “their eyes they have closed”. The Father has not closed their eyes. It is the people who have closed their eyes of their own free will. Accepting this characterization of “this people” Jesus spoke to them in parables knowing that they would not hear. The parables served as a sort of filter, for some of the people did hear, his disciples, of whom he continued to say:

            Matt.13

            [16] But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear.
            [17] Truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

            Although there were times when his disciples challenged the Lord’s confidence in them:

            Matt.15

            [16] And he said, Are you also still without understanding?

            You will observe that these words (Matt. 15:16) were spoken in a similar context, where he has quoted Isaiah 29:13,14. Yes, if one reads only Mark’s version, predestination is suggested. But when one goes to Matthew and Isaiah, things come to Light.

            The word “lest” in Mark 4:12 is rendered from the Greek mapote, which is difficult to put in our language. As shown here, “lest” indicates motive, something that Jesus was doing to keep them from hearing and seeing so that they would turn and be forgiven. Matthew and Isaiah clarify this point and explain that Jesus spoke to them in parables because “this people” having closed their eyes, would not be able to understand. It was his way of not casting his pearls before swine. Matthew 13:12 combined with the Parable of the Pounds (or the talents) provides even more light.

            Luke.19
            [11] As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately.

            [12] He said therefore, A nobleman went into a far country to receive a kingdom and then return.

            [13] Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten pounds, and said to them, `Trade with these till I come.’

            [14] But his citizens hated him and sent an embassy after him, saying, `We do not want this man to reign over us.’

            [15] When he returned, having received the kingdom, he commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by trading.

            [16] The first came before him, saying, `Lord, your pound has made ten pounds more.’

            [17] And he said to him, `Well done, good servant! Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’

            [18] And the second came, saying, `Lord, your pound has made five pounds.’

            [19] And he said to him, `And you are to be over five cities.’

            [20] Then another came, saying, `Lord, here is your pound, which I kept laid away in a napkin;

            [21] for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man; you take up what you did not lay down, and reap what you did not sow.’

            [22] He said to him, `I will condemn you out of your own mouth, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow?

            [23] Why then did you not put my money into the bank, and at my coming I should have collected it with interest?’

            [24] And he said to those who stood by, `Take the pound from him, and give it to him who has the ten pounds.’

            [25] (And they said to him, `Lord, he has ten pounds!’)

            [26] `I tell you, that to every one who has will more be given; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

            [27] But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.’

            It is all about Israel, about a collection of people who had, of their own free will, closed their minds to Truth. It was for reasons of their own doing that the kingdom was not given to them.

            http://bibtheo.blogspot.ca/2007/02/purpose-of-parables-mark-410-12.html

      • dan

        did you hear where the babykillers are requiring that
        Little Sisters of Mercy provide abortions or pay millions in fines? Grrrr….this from the same group that allows CAIR special status despite being a known front for terrorisn (they funded the Mall Murderers in Kenya….and the Somali/Minnessotans that took part but has been hushed by the Obamma Media)and a BIG CONTRIBUTER to Obama.

    • Bart Bunsen

      GREAT POINT!!!!

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Since the subject is about anything the libturds, progturds, or Obama bin Laden are making a mess of, here is an article about them messing up our schools.
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/09/27/educations-shiny-toy-system-n1710872/page/full
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
    Ronald Reagan
    40th President of the U.S.

    • linreis

      and now the socialist types are trying to bring down Reagan! some days I’m physically ill, cause I hate what kind of world my grandchildren will have if we do nothing now.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If you are physically ill go see a doctor. Why are you not concerned about your children or is it because there is no husband, no children, and no grandchildren.

        • linreis

          what are you? LOL…

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        They are also trying to bring down the Constitution. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • smilee

      You really got a foul mouth and mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • organicroseski2

    Good Saturday morning Ben. Thanks for the morning laughs. On a serious note, people, I do not remember when politicians as Nancy P., hated the voters so much. She and others have been given “Tea Party” types nasty names. Since there is not a party called “Tea Party,” I guess she, Reid, Pres., (let me throw in McCain, King…), are calling Libertarian/Conservatives/Independents names. They are criticizing the ones that understand America needs to be saved. We have ideas and options; but, not listened to. We are only ridiculed as “Rules for Radicals” would instruct them to. (p.s. To Dems. and Libs.: Saul Alinsky’s stated he was a Marxist.)

    • nc

      ORGAN, are you telling us that the Libertarians are getting the INDEPENDENT vote and you still can’t pull 1% of the popular vote
      at the polls???WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????
      I can understand why you think Ben Crystal is funny! Some one that high would think a fire hydrant is funny!

      • craig

        bad facts again..your on a roll

        • nc

          craig, give me your “right” facts!! You didn’t even say what facts of mine were wrong!! It is so much easier to accuse than to prove!

          • craig

            you know your right …it is a lot easier

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Then who is the fool? You are listening to Ben Crystal and then commenting. Do your body’s ears and eyes and hands work independently of your brain and will not give you ways to make choices?

        • craig

          o.k I give ..what are you talkin about

  • Karolyn

    Gas going down!! $3.03 for the past week here in Cheraw, SC! Just saw a news piece about $2.99 gas at a place in Virginia.

    • Merle Dickey

      Wow it is 3.73 here in Nv,

      • Karolyn

        Of course, SC has less taxes too; however, there is not much of anything here, so it’s a tradeoff. I was born and raised in NJ, and gas is always cheaper there too. I think that is because of all the refineries in Jersey.

      • Moshe McCarthy

        $3.89 in NYC….we always get screwed!

        • Jana

          Look who you voted for. You get what you deserve.
          I apologized as Moshe didn’t vote for him.

          • Moshe McCarthy

            Hey, there’s crappy Libtards in every nook & cranny of nation!!

          • Jana

            I know, I’m sorry. You yourself didn’t deserve him.

          • Jana

            Moshe, I like you, you really have such a good attitude. Thanks.

        • Bob666

          $3.68 in Marathon Key, Florida yesterday.

        • Cole Johnson

          $4.19 in Mariposa, ca! We get tourist prices all year around!

    • Vigilant

      $3.66 in Albany, NY

    • csa4ever

      3.06 in Mcallen, Tx.

      • Karolyn

        According to some experts, it may go down another .25 as long as there’s no trouble in the Mideast.

      • linreis

        yay for you! love that area. its $3.69 here in CO

      • Terry

        7.62 by 39 in Hillbilly, NC.

    • hippybiker

      Oh, how wonderful. Have you been grocery shopping lately? How about Cheddar Cheese over $6.00 a lb, or Roast Beef over $8.00 a lb? shall I go on with things like the price of milk? Gasoline, you say? Can you eat gasoline? At least most won’t have to spend much on gas because they don’t have a job to go to. Is it O-Bozo’s fault? Well, I’m sure he and the rest of the turncoats who are milking(no pun)our country of everything they can suck up are a big part of the problem. Is it time to clean house? You F**king bet!

      • Karolyn

        Believe me. I am aware, but I am thankful for whatever good news I can find. Fortunately, I live alone and don’t eat much. The gas going down is a boon for me because I have a temp p/t job that doesn’t pay much 20 miles away. Every little bit helps. The glass is half full! Have a beautiful Saturday!

      • nc

        hipshot, what do mean “Is it time to clean house?” That’s already happened ! Your guru, wayne allyn root, assured a LANDSLIDE that would clean house!! THAT DIDN’T HAPPENEN??? BUT HE WAS SO SURE AND THE “ONE TERM” BANNERS WERE EVERYWHERE!!
        btw, gas was over $4 a gallon in some places in 2007 (before Obama) . THEN the layoffs started ! Fewer people driving to work: more companies parking the company vehicles; more people staying home because they couldn’t afford to drive or lost their cars as well as their homes! The demand for gas fell as well as the price. Down to $1.60 or so! Did you want cheap gas because the BUSH economy was going south ???? Really????

        • craig

          your facts are your own fabrications

          • smilee

            You just do not know the truth that is why you make this silly statement. I guess Obama was not elected according to you

          • craig

            I know the truth when I see or hear it…silly isn’t it

          • smilee

            You think its the truth because your delusional

          • craig

            Atleast I have a state of mind…and being delusional is something I frequently partake in

          • NC

            craig, I’ll bet you are so smart that you ALWAYS know what is Constitutional and what is not? Why would our founding fathers ever think that we would need a Supreme Court when there would always be a CRAIG walking around with all the answers and all the truth!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SCARY AND DANGEROUS!!
            btw! IT IS SILLY!!!

          • craig

            we DO need a supreme court …just not this one

          • Terry

            …..he was elected by 18 to 25 year olds who don’t know their ass from a whole in the ground when it comes to politics! X-U.S. Navy Petty Officer, Turkman

          • smilee

            They have as much to vote as you do and do not have to agree with you. Coming from a 72 year old

          • Terry

            he was elected by 18 to 25 year olds who don’t know their ass from a whole in ground when it comes to politics! X- U.S. Navy Petty Officer, Turkman

        • PUMPKIN PUSS

          Gas is one thing you cannot blame on presidents, there are so many other factors & the whole thing is kinda rigged!! But, I will say, Obummer & his corrupt, ignorant, evil cabal does me give me plenty of gas!!!!!!!!! Heartburn & Heartache, too!!

        • linreis

          and what has obama done to improve anything? BTW, your figures are off a tad…he himself said if he couldn’t fix things in one term he didn’t deserve two….guess he changed his mind. the king of fraud and lies would like to forget the Constitution, or the congress for that matter and continue with his almost non-stop vacations…taking a few moments here and there to bow to the king of the arab world and send more weapons to our enemies.
          aside from that, just what has he done to ‘fix things’ in America. gas hasn’t gone below $3 in a long long time, and more people are laid off every day because of obamacare, and more people than EVER are on food stamps and welfare because they have given up even looking for work…they brought back the same program for housing which is ridiculously low interest rates, remember that? Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and how the entire thing blew up…its only a matter of time before people are losing those houses cause they bought more than they could handle, and loans are going to people who shouldn’t have them in the first place. History will repeat itself.
          Bottom line: obama doesn’t do anything good for this country, he is a traitor in every sense of the word and deserves serious jail time and deportation at best. He continues to send weapons and money to the middle east, NOT to help Israel our ally, but to her enemies, our enemies…meanwhile, his dream act will be the final ruin of this nation. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE’S DONE ANY GOOD? and for gawds sake, Bush is gone, its been 6 years.

          • nc

            linreis, something tells me that you were not going to agree with much if anything of what Obama did from the moment he first took office. Right?? Deportation?? To where?? Hawaii?? Chicago??
            How can you lay Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac policy on Obama when it was george bush who was pushing for and praising what they were doing in the mortgage market 6 years before Obama took office! What do you do when you take office and foreclosure signs are beginning to grow like boxwoods in the yards? Jack up the interest rates and kill all sales????
            There is a difference between actual history and conservative propaganda and you need to learn the difference!!!!
            It is so easy for you to accuse him of crimes and damned impossible to convict him of one! But the Constitution gives an individual the right to complain but not to govern!
            I do love our Constitution!!

          • craig

            LETS SEE HERE..we know he hates planned parenthood ..he would not support anything to do with perpetuating abortion…we also know how he feels about gay rights and the tolerance of it in schools and boy scouts..the rights of same sex couples to propagate their belief to the innocent kids they feel they have the rights to raise and influence ..not to mention he is a muslim….YES a great man ..just what America needed

          • NC

            CRAIG< you problem is that even if everything you mentioned was Obama 's position WHICH YOU CAN'T PROVE ,NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN HELD TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL! DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS DREW UP OR NOT??????????????????YOU PEOPLE SAY YOU LOVE IT BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE BY IT!!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHY INDEPENDENTS HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME LINING UP WITH YOU CONSERVATIVE ! YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS FOR EVERYONE NOT JUST YOU!!

          • linreis

            I didn’t vote for obama, didn’t believe much of what he said, but wanted to. but the FACT was he had no background, and didn’t do much but slam everything President Bush did, but offered no solutions, including his voting records show… but my opinion of him has just been proven by his actions over the past 5 years.
            my deportation comment would be sarcasm…you understand sarcasm?
            the housing market is not in a ‘fix mode’. its in a mode that puts a false bottom on things, and destabilizes things eventually. my point being, this is not a ‘fix’ but a replay of events that have blown up in our faces once or twice before, leaving banks sitting with foreclosures and people without homes. Bush’s democrats did it, and now obama’s democrats are repeating it…this is FACT, not conservative propaganda…
            something tells me that YOU will follow obama, defending him and blaming President Bush every chance you get.
            Confused with the FACTS, just blame President Bush and swallow obama’s BS.
            Obama’s crimes? I can point out a page full. But I guess you missed them: Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, treason, failure to uphold the Constitution…lies after lies, however those are simply considered political nowadays….pity no one expects the truth from politicians any longer, let alone morals and good leadership.
            I ask you now, just which of my statements constitutes conservative propaganda?

          • Terry

            Linreis, I agree with everything you just said, thanks for saving me the time of having to type all of what you said!! Turkman

          • linreis

            sometimes I get a little long winded, but some guys just really are full of IT! you are welcome btw

        • Terry

          …gas has been over $4 a gallon in Cal. and NY several times over the years…thing are only going to get worse….just hide and watch!

        • Terry

          …and this guy is right about noba ma, and mic, they have used Air Force 1 and 2 more than any president in history, and naturally spent more tax payers money. Also, he still has not shown the media or the American people his birth certificate….have you seen it…..didn’t think so!

          • nc

            TERRY, THE CONSTITUTION DOESN’T REQUIRE EVEN WHAT HE HAS SHOWN! It certainly doesn’t require that he show you or me ANYTHING!!!!! The president before him flew 77 trips to Texas with god only knows how may planes for how many days! That’s not counting the trips the Crawford Cretin took to Camp David and else where! YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF AND THE DIP S**T INCINDENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE INTO ISSUES! A FAVORITE PAST TIME HERE!
            how pitiful for adults!!

          • Terry

            …..Well, I can tell you are an ignorant “B___H”! So, I will just disregard your comment. Why don’t you listen or read Ben Crystal on “Personal Liberty Digest”, you may learn something or two. SeeYa, X- U.S. Navy Petty Officer, Turkman, Terry J

          • Terry

            …..oh, and whoever you are…..nobama care is getting people laid off all over this country. I personally met with employees of a huge hospital here 700 nurses lost their jobs just weeks ago, because the big wigs who own this huge Medical Center, did not want to provide these employees with medical insurance, which is what nobamacare calls for if you did not know, and the nurses
            who were not laid off were put on scattered 12 hour shifts that is wearing them completely out. This is happening everywhere….wake up…….some people….???????YOU

      • KG

        Mr Obama, our President, didn’t encourage big banks and brokerage houses to speculate in the commodities (food) markets to realize profits lost from the inability to manipulate the Mortgage Market as they have done (2008). That’s where Wells Fargo, Chase, and Goldman Sachs are making their money from.

    • agbjr

      Been to Cheraw … nothing to write home about … just as exciting as that mother of all police speed traps, Society Hill.

      • linreis

        have you been designated the official ‘downer of the week’? you must be the life of every party you go to…assuming you are invited to any parties…

        • agbjr

          I deal with facts …and I have a very active social life.

          • linreis

            really glad for you, not so much, really don’t care…your comments are consistently angry and negative. just saying…

      • Karolyn

        Cheraw is “the prettiest town in Dixie” and a very nice place to live, especially if you are “old guard.” I rarely go to or through Society Hill but learned about that early on. Actually, I live in Ruby, the “Jewel City.” That is if you call a post office, a school, a few churches and town hall a city.

        • agbjr

          I must give you that, US Route 1 through Cheraw is a pleasant drive but nothing more than that. As for Society Hill … in that backwater 20mph is ‘excessive speed’! I only know one person who actually beat a Society Hill ‘speeding’ ticket, the wife of a Shaw AFB active-duty serviceman who was rushing a sick child back to the base hospital. The cop wasn’t moved but the ‘judge’ realized the local media would have a field day if the ticket wasn’t dismissed – it was.

          Ruby isn’t a bad place but I wouldn’t call 200 houses a city!

    • linreis

      you better fill up fast! ours goes down a couple of cents one day and then goes up 5-10 another… LOL

  • Karolyn

    Judge decides gay marriage legal in Jersey. Christie to appeal. (Because he thinks it may get him re-elected).

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/09/nj_superior_court_gay_marriage_ruling.html

    • craig

      NO.. because he thinks it’s disgusting as do most Americans

      • Karolyn

        Do they? Most people I’ve talked to just want to mind their own business and live and let live. Who freakin’ cares how somebody else lives their life as long as they do not hurt someone else?
        And as far as Christie goes, do you know him? He’s just another politician.

        • agbjr

          And you hail from what state?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            It doesn’t matter what state Karolyn, craig, or nc, or for that matter you hail from. Karolyn, nc, and craig are here to disrupt the site.

          • StinkBomb Jones

            I hardly ever agree with Karolyn, NC, or smilee, but they are not here to disrupt anyone, they are just giving their opinions as they are entitled to …& besides they provide me with humor for the day!!

          • Bob666

            Yo Stink,
            Well said, the First Amendment applies to everyone. Nads has a bit of a problem with that concept, but she provides vast humor in the process.

          • Karolyn

            Thank you Stink. It’s supposed to be civil discourse. Why shouldn’t anybody want to share their opinions and views? Of course, the paranoid always see ulterior motives in everything.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            And the deranged PERVERTS and all DEBAUCHED like you always looking for the chance to defend and advocate DEPRAVITY.

            “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

            “The look on THEIR FACES TESTIFIES AGAINST THEM, and THEY PARADE THEIR SIN like SODOM; THEY DO NOT HIDE IT. Woe to their soul! THEY HAVE BROUGHT DISASTER UPON THEMSELVES.” (Isaiah 3:9)

            “Woe to those who CALL EVIL GOOD, AND GOOD EVIL; Who put DARKNESS FOR LIGHT, AND LIGHT FOR DARKNESS; Who put BITTER FOR SWEET, AND SWEET FOR BITTER! Woe to those, WHO ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN EYES, and prudent in their OWN SIGHT!” (Isaiah 5:20-21)

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork Belly,

            And old Commie wind bags that lack any credibility like you perpetuate the deranged & PERVERTED thoughts for all of us to see.

            You really are a nasty old piece of twisted morality-or lack there of and we could all be happy to see you craw back under a rock where you belong.

            Karolyn is a Lady-You never will be.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy PSYCHOPATH of the 13
            generation out of 14.

          • Bob666

            Now-Now little pigs feet,

            “delusional filthy PSYCHOPATH”

            Don’t hate me because I’m correct and have a country, Hate me because you never will be considered to be a lady in any way shape or form.

            Waller in those facts.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC of the 13 generation out of 14.

          • Bob666

            Well Tripe,

            “delusional filthy SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC”,

            You left out well balanced, happy, mentally and physically happy , successful father, husband, engineer and businessman.

            One day you might let go of all the hate, anger and envy that you stew in 24/7 and someone might actually find something to like about you?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC of the 13 generation out of 14.

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork Chop,
            Sticks and Stones might break my bones-But old used-up commie wind bags with neurotic issues will never-ever phase me.

            Let go of your hate and misery-be happy and free!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC of the 13 generation out of 14.

          • smilee

            You have a real serious problem lady, I fear you are not aware of it your so deep in denial.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep talking. smelly.

          • Bob666

            Well Baconator,
            I would say that Smilee nailed you.

            Don’t hate me because I am a successful, happy native born American, Hate me because you are not.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC of the 13 generation out of 14.

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor Porky Propagandist,

            Denial of your lack of class,
            Denial of your lack of lady like behavior,
            Denial of your lack of wit,
            Denial of your vulgarity,
            Denial of your lack of faith,
            Denial of your lack of country,
            Denial of your lack of sanity,

            Yes, Smilee nailed you.

            13th generation Native Born American-You’re not.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking DESPICABLE FILTHY MANURIAL FLY of the 13 generation out of 14.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Since you bare your sweethearts number and he is a father of lies, a murderer, a thief, and you are emulating him why should we believe anything you have to say.

          • Bob666

            Well Nads,

            “you bare your sweethearts number”

            My Sweetheart is working in our back yard in her garden and has no “number”.

            “he is a father of lies, a murderer, a thief”

            My Sweetheart is a she and while she is a practicing Attorney and I kid her about such things-I assure you that she is none of those things being raised as a Southern Baptist.

            “and you are emulating him why should we believe anything you have to say”

            Again, my sweetheart is a she and I sincerely hope that you understand that I really could give a rats rear-end what you think or believe.

            You seem to be a Nasty Old Bitty with a Sour Disposition that seldom has a nice or relevant comment for anyone. There are medications on the market that might help you become a more happy and cheerful person, but I suspect that you are far more content to stew in our own juices of misery.

          • Karolyn

            Geez! I live in the Bible Belt, and I have never met anybody as uptight as you, thank God.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            No, you are living in the Satan’s gospel belt.
            I have NEVER met such Mentally Pervert female predator.

            What “god” you thank? Your god Satan?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you have ulterior motives to everything.

          • Karolyn

            And what might be my ulterior motives, oh, “One that knows all?”

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You’re right. You have no ulterior motives.

            Your motives are very transparent: predatory PERVERSION, DEBAUCHERY and love for the vulgar expression.

          • Karolyn

            Love for the vulgar expression? You are the one who uses vulgar language to express your disdain for people who don’t agree with you.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I know that you are injecting your
            Please provide exemples of my “vulgar expression”.
            Thanks in advance.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, how about calling people “manurial flies?” You can search through every post I’ve made on this site in over 3 years and never find me calling anyone names like you do. Yes, your language is vulgar and uncouth.

          • Karolyn

            I replied to this earlier today, but it is not here. What ulterior motives would I have, All-Knowing One?

          • smilee

            Wisdom to, don’t forget that

        • craig

          well I’m sure they do in your circles…but If someone wants to have sex with someone ..anyone… I don’t want to hear about it …my friends don’t want to hear about it….my kids don’t want to hear about it…..keep it to yourself

        • PUMPKIN PUSS

          Yes, people are free in America & they can do what they want & live how they want…but, as a citizen of a state, town, nation or city, I have a right to freely speak out & challenge the state when they sanction this darkness of the homo agenda. I have a right to not be bullied by the homos to be silent or live in fear of a school suspension or being charged with a hate crime for calling it what I believe it is, DARKNESS…I have a right to speak out when they try to brainwash my child as early as kindergarten, that it is a ‘normal lifestyle”, I have a right as a parent to get the help my child needs if they are exhibiting sickness of the soul!

          • craig

            I could not agree more ..all my wives will tell you that…heck just the other day my 6th wife Maggie told my son to my 3rd wife ..she had a homo friend and I said that was o.k

          • PUMPKIN PUSS

            Hey, once you let 2 men marry each other there are no more barricades, or standards, anything goes…How can 4,5,6 or more people in any permutation be denied marriage? It is already happening in Europe…If it is all about Love & Commitment, why can’t a person marry their dog or cat? Hey, don’t laugh attached to a transgender bathroom bill in Massachusetts is a rider to strike down bestiality laws!!!! Massachusetts seems to be a battleground for this darkness, after all it was the first state to legalize same-sex marriage.
            (see below):

            http://www.freezonemediacenternews.com/2013/08/massachusetts-looking-to-repeal.html

          • craig

            WOW..I love my pets but they sleep outside …this is sooo sick it’s easy to joke about!

          • WTS/JAY

            Utah, where the state slogan is, ‘Shhh, we’re sleeping’, held their first pro-polygamy rally in many years. Dozens of children from polygamist families descended on Salt Lake as if it were the Village of the Damned. Children, ranging in age 10 to 20, took turns expressing their support for the plural family lifestyle. “I’m the 14th child in a large family”, said Mary 16, I have seven moms who love me, and only one father who touches me.”

          • Karolyn

            I read recently online in an article about each state and what they rank highest at that Utah has the highest pornography rate in the country.

          • WTS/JAY

            Wherever there is a high consumption of pornography, you will find all manner of deranged, sexual-behaviour. Pornography is the gate-way to madness.

          • nc

            wts, PORNOGRAPHY may be the gate way to madness but it is also “a home away from home” for our horny troops!

          • WTS/JAY

            Which came first, pornography or war?

          • NC

            WTS, NOW THAT IS FUNNY!! BEST I HAVE HEARD IN A LONG TIME

          • NC

            CRAIG, IT IS SO GOOD TO SEE THAT YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE MINDS OF THEIR OWN! THAT’S NOT A TRAIT COMMON TO MOST CONSERVATIVES! THEY HAVE A LOT OF “ANSWERS(?)” FOR OTHERS BUT NOT SO MUCH COMPASSION FOR DIFFERENT OPINIONS BY OTHERS! I SEE A RAY OF HOPE FOR YOU!!!

          • craig

            seriously nc I appreciate that comment ..my comment was about whats next polygamy and their rights.where does it end.

          • Karolyn

            And what’s wrong with polygamy among consenting adults?

          • craig

            you don’t need a podium to be queer or a polygamist

          • Jana

            Nothing, just do it and shut up. Don’t make the rest of us say it’s all right.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,

            ” just do it and shut up”

            Wound a little tight these days?

          • Jana

            No, I just don’t want them forcing me to say it is all right when I know it is not. I don’t want the Government saying I have to say it is a good thing, when I know what the Bible says about it.

            I don’t make a public scene with my husband. Do you and your wife go out and hang on each other and kiss on each other in public?
            All I ask anyone to do is act decent in public. What they do in private is their own business.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,
            I would agree with you on public displays of affection between consenting adults, straight, gay and in between. I know several gay people who are ultra conservative in the sexual behavior. Most of the times that my wife and I show far more affection towards each other is when our 15 year old daughter is around-it drives her up the wall.

          • Karolyn

            What’s wrong with people displaying affection and love?

          • Bill

            Jana,
            I will hang all over and kiss my wife in public any time I feel like it and anybody else can be damned.
            She is my little honey bunny and her happiness is more important to me than yours

          • Jana

            Then you are an exhibitionist.

          • Bill

            If you don’t like it, don’t look at it

          • Jana

            People that have been happily married don’t have to go out and SHOW the world or exhibit to the world their affection for one another. Usually the ones that do go out and play kissy face with each other in public fight in private.

          • Bill

            Jana,
            That is only your opinion and does not make it true

          • Jana

            Sure!

          • Jana

            You know Bill I have been reading your posts, and you are so wise in so many ways to be so weird on this point. You are right, it is my opinion as I have volunteered at counseling and have found it so over and over.

          • Bill

            Again Jana,
            That is just your opinion that you would label me as weird because I show affection for my wife whenever I feel like it and you perceive that as something that is offensive to you.
            Maybe it is you that is weird in your thinking. However, I do not judge you about what you do.

          • Jana

            But you did.

          • Bill

            Instead of two libertarians bickering over mundane things, such as kissing my wife in public, we need to unite to stop the Marxists that are trying to destroy our free and capitalist lifestyle.
            A famous philosopher once said “Can’t we all just get along”

          • Jana

            I agree.

          • WTS/JAY

            What’s wrong with polygamy? Depends who you ask; if you’re a degenerate, nothing, is wrong with polygamy…same goes for any other abnormal behaviour. There are many who see nothing wrong with pedophilia and bestiality, for that matter. But, as you say, what business is it of yours, just as long as people do it in privacy of their own homes…? So mind your own business, Karolyn, and let people do whatever the hell they want, right? Btw, pretty soon Pedophilia will be a recognized sexual-orientation and protected under law; what will you say when that day comes, Karolyn? Will you then applaud the legal-system, or will you curse it?

          • Karolyn

            I do not believe that will ever happen, Jay; and of course I do not condone pedophilia. There are polygamist families that are happy and function very well in society. There are also women who have more than one “husband”, and they are happy with it. Who cares?

          • PUMPKIN PUSS

            Here’s the key point to me: I believe that cities, towns, organizations, nations have souls like individuals & make karma both good & bad…to allow marriage to be changed so anything goes, to allow pedophilia, bestiality, etcmeans the state is sanctioning profound darkness & it..brings bad karma upon my nation, state, etc…as a member of those things, I have every right to try to stem the tides of darkness & depravity that I feel will rip the very moral fiber & nature of my beloved home & culture & invite the wrath of God!

          • Karolyn

            Well, I believe in the collective consciousness; and the more people who emit negative energy, the more negativity there is, resulting in war, famine, hatred, and all other manner of “bad” things.

          • smilee

            Very interestingly put!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Since we are all born as Individuals and not as a collective, what are you babbling about “collective consciousness”. All you are together is a mob of human predators in the making.

          • Karolyn

            All thought is energy, thus, when that energy is joined by more energy, it creates. So, when there is a predominance of negative energy being emitted by a populace, negative things happen. Everybody has an effect on everybody, because we are all part of a whole – humanity.

          • NC

            PUMPKIN, ORGANIZATIONS HAVE “SOULS”(?)???
            YOU ARE CERTAINLY AT HOME HERE IN THE LAND OF THE WEIRD WHERE CORPORATIONS ARE “PEOPLE:!!
            SORTA LIKE THAT THE BELIEF THAT SOME BROAD ATE AN APPLE AND SCREWED UP THE WORLD FOREVER! I KNOW THE “FACTS”(?)…. SOME TALKING SNAKE MADE HER DO IT!

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: I do not believe that will ever happen, Jay; and of course I do not condone pedophilia.

            I wouldn’t be too quick to assume as much if i were you, Karolyn. Keep in mind, bestiality is a protected right in the military. So why would endorsing and promoting pedophilia be far behind?

            USA – Pedophiles demand the same rights as homosexuals…

            Using the same tactics that advocates “gay” pedophiles start to want a similar status arguing that the desire for children is a sexual orientation slightly different from that of heterosexuals and homosexuals.

            The opponents of gay manners have long claimed that once accepted the recognition of homosexuality as a mere “lifestyle” or different sexual orientation, logically nothing would be prohibited. Supporters of gay “” have offended such a position by stating that it would never happen. But psychiatrists are beginning to take off for a new definition of pedophilia as was done for homosexuality several years ago.

            In 1973 the American Psychiatric (AAP) Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act ( see these links ) recently held a symposium proposing a newdefinition of pedophilia in the Manual of Diagnostic and Statistics of Mental Disorders of the PAA.

            The B4U-Act calls pedophiles “people attracted to minors.” The website of the organization states that its purpose is “to help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and consider the effects of normalization, stigma and fear. ”
            In 1998 the AAP has issued a report claiming “that the negative potential of adult-child sex was exaggerated and that a majority of men and women had reported no negative sexual effects through experiments sexual abuse during childhood. ”

            read the rest here: http://www.dstreetz.net/2013/06/usa-pedophiles-demand-same-rights-as.html

          • smilee

            Gays have rights under the Constitution, Pedophiles do not, the Constitution would have to be changed to accommodate that and very few support that so your blowing that out your butt.

          • WTS/JAY

            But what if they were to claim, as they are presently doing, they were “born that way”, smilee? What is your response to their claim that their desire for children is not a sickness, but natural for them? I mean, why would anyone choose to be a pedophile? Ostracized by society, told they are immoral and going to hell…no one would choose that, right? They could demand rights based on that, could they not? If they can prove that they can’t help it…it’s something they can’t change, then they would fall under the discrimination laws of the Equal Rights Act.

            You say that pedophiles have no rights under the Constitution. Of course, this is a misnomer. They have just as many rights as you and i under the Constitution. I think what you meant to say is that, their lifestyle-choice, is not protected under the Constitution, and that their life-style-choice is still considered to be a criminal-act.

            But, a group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals say it’s time to change the way society views individuals who have physical attractions to children. The organization, which calls itself B4U-Act, is lobbying for changes to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, the guideline of standards on mental health that’s put together by the American Psychiatric Association. The group says its mission is to help pedophiles before they create a crisis, and to do so by offering a less critical view of the disorder.

            “Stigmatizing and stereotyping minor-attracted people inflames the fears of minor-attracted people, mental health professionals and the public, without contributing to an understanding of minor-attracted people or the issue of child sexual abuse,” reads the organization’s website.

            So you see, smille, i’m not pulling this out of my butt. Rest assured, pedophilia will, become a protected life-style choice under the Constitution in the years to come, whether you or i like it or not; and if you, on that day, criticize the life-style choice, you will undoubtedly be labeled a conservative, Bible-thumping-prude, or a pedophobe. Now you wouldn’t want that, would you, smilee? You see, smilee, you have no right to approve of one perversion to the exclusion of others, because once you allow one, you must allow all, or you allow none! Unfortunately, in this case, smilee, you can’t have your cake and eat it to. Sorry…

          • smilee

            The Constitution supports laws that would allow someone to deprive
            another of their liberty and constitutional
            rights as pedophiles do as it deprives the child of their Constitutional rights
            and that does not apply to gays. There
            are laws against pedophiles which are constitutional
            while all laws prohibiting gay marriage are unconstitutional. It does not
            appear you respect the constitution if you even understand it. I said what I
            meant not what you say you think I meant, stop twisting my words!! psychiatrists and other mental health
            professionals opinions or anyone else’s opinions have no effect on the constitution and it supersedes
            all they say so that is irrelevant as it changes nothing in law. Your last
            paragraph is pulled out of your butt and just pure garbage as it is totally irrelevant
            and ridiculous..

          • WTS/JAY

            There was a time when both, homosexuality and pedophilia were considered to be psychological-abnormalities, smilee. According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.

            Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

            Rest assured, smilee, pedophiles/pederasts will have their day, whether you, or anyone else, likes it or not. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) is now working toward full normalization of pedophilia and pederasty. Dr Fred Berlin of Johns Hopkins
            is a main spokesman for the “normality” of pedophilia and pederasty, they just shouldn’t “act on it.” This is the third “intellectual” and medical generation building on Kinsey’s fraudulent child abuse data used to destroy laws protecting women and children via the American Law Institute in 1955.

            Allen Frances, M.D. is a Duke psychiatrist. If you’re not particularly interested in psychiatric politics, then the only thing you need to know about him is that after he dies, psychiatry goes full Foucault.

            Hebephilia– the sexual attraction to post-pubescent children, is currently being proposed for inclusion into the DSM-V. Should it be considered a mental disorder? (This is different than asking if it should be a crime.) Allen Frances writes that hebephilia shouldn’t be in the DSM because hebephilia is normal.

            Here is what he says:

            “The basic issue is that sexual attraction to pubescent youngsters is not the slightest bit abnormal or unusual. Until recently, the age of consent was age 13 years in most parts of the world (including the United States) and it remains 14 in many places. Evolution has programmed humans to lust for pubescent youngsters–our ancestors did not get to live long enough to have the luxury of delaying reproduction. For hundreds of thousands of years, sex followed closely behind puberty. Only recently has society chosen to protect the moratorium of adolescence and to declare as inappropriate and illegal a sexual interest in the pubescent”.

            “It is natural and no sign of mental illness to feel sexual attraction to pubescent youngsters. But to act on such impulses is, in our society, a reprehensible crime that deserves severe punishment”.

            If you’re surrounded by carpenters, everything becomes about hammers.

            Frances and the debate teams are mostly forensic guys, which means their reading of the true purpose of hebephilia’s inclusion in the DSM is for involuntary commitment. If hebephilia is in the DSM, it earns the status of a scientifically accepted diagnosis even if it isn’t, and can then be used to justify indefinite commitment.

            He’s probably right about that. He’s wrong about everything else.

            The problem with media is that it tricks you into debating the conclusions while accepting the form of the argument. So you get to ask, “is hebephilia a pathological disorder or is it normal?” so that no one asks the question, why do we now, today, want to have this debate?

            Pedophilia and hebephilia have always been considered maybe pathological and maybe not; Psychopathia Sexualis makes clear the distinction of the pedophile who has grown weak of moral character vs. those whose urge towards children is a “pathological perversion” that to him is “quite natural” and is thus “not a criminal, but an irresponsible insane person.” The distinction between criminality and pathology has to this point been decided on a case by case basis: “To examine not merely the deed, but the mental condition of the perpetrator.”

            So why now? The answer is there in Frances’s article, the mistake that is in his article: “sexual attraction to pubescent youngsters is not the slightest bit abnormal or unusual.” Boy oh boy did you walk into that one.

            If you look closely at your calendar, right after the year you will see, in tiny font, that interest in pubescent girls may be normal; but interest in pubescent boys is always and seriously whacked.

            Once you “normalize” sexual interest in 14 year old girls, you either normalize the interest in boys or you quietly suggest homosexuality in general is slightly pathological. You can only pick one, and the rest of us have to live with the consequences.

            If hebephilia, all of it, is pathology, however, you avoid having to make that dicey distinction. Phew. America is safe.

            I am not here making a case for what is normal or not; I’m pointing out the very specific societal approval that allows me to keep drooling as long as I say out loud, “son of a gun, Ali Lohan’s only 14? She looks so much older!” but forbids me from even putting up a picture of a boy and making any comment, even if I am gay; even if I am a woman. Go ahead and try it.

            And what does it mean that society permits a 14 year old boy to choose to be a girl who is [her]self attracted to males, but in theory lacks the maturity/intellect/right to seduce a grown man? It means put a sock in it, wiseguy. We have a society to run.

            As evidence for this, Ray Blanchard, the Chair of the Paraphilias Workgroup at the DSM, wrote a 2800 word justification for hebephilia’s inclusion in the DSM in which the words “boy” and “girl” appear only once:

            “In the third place, a distinction between pedophilia and hebephilia on the grounds of reproduction makes no sense when applied to homosexual pedophilia and hebephilia, since neither pubescent nor prepubescent boys can become pregnant. Lastly, there is no evidence that the arrival of menarche abruptly demarcates girls’ attractiveness to heterosexual pedophiles vs. hebephiles”.

            How can you have a debate about what is normal and what is pathology and never discuss the gender? He pulls it off. The point here is not science; neither is the point involuntary commitment. The point is to limit the scope of the debate to manageable, politically expedient constructs. Allow the belief that there is something biological behind all this (what the term “pathology” should be understood to connote); while at the same time preserving an illusion of free choice.

            In this way, Frances and the DSM workgroup he opposes are actually on the same side: using psychiatry as the battleground for difficult social questions.

            There’s a third level to understanding this debate. (But you’ll have to wait.)

            http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/pedophilia_is_normal_because_o.html

          • nc

            WTS. you have presented a very learned dissertation on sexual preference but I am afraid you are going to have to turn in your avatar and retire from this site!
            You, sir, admitted that the “E” word is a fact! You have admitted that “evilution” has actually occurred! THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE HERE IN BIBLE THUMPERS PARADISE! IT IS JUST TOO SCIENTIFICAL!!!! You are just too smart fer yur own britches!!!
            I truly did enjoy your presentation but I am too much of a smart A$$ to pass this up!

          • WTS/JAY

            nc: You, sir, admitted that the “E” word is a fact! You have admitted that “evilution” has actually occurred! THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE HERE IN BIBLE THUMPERS.

            I did no such thing, nc. Rather, i showed that advocates for pedophilia use the argument that pedophiles are a product of evolution, and therefore, pedophilia is perfectly normal.

          • smilee

            How stupid can you be??
            Nothing you say here will change the Constitution so it is irrelevant to this discussion, Gay marriage
            will be required in all states before too long as the SC will most likely order
            that as all lower courts to date that have
            all ruled that way and with cases now pending in states that still do not allow
            gay marriage it is expected to happen before
            to long. Laws against pedophiles
            are constitutional and that can only be
            changed by amending it and I can’t
            believe you are stupid enough to believe that will ever happen.
            What you say may be true by but is irrelevant as none of what you have
            said means anything one way or another in this discussion

          • WTS/JAY

            People used to believe that homosexuality/gay-marriage/sodomy would never be excepted, or ever made legal, smilee. Of course, they were obviously stupid to believe such nonsense. Just as stupid as people who believe that certain perversions are ok, while others are not. Abortion/murder was once deemed reprehensible, but look at us today, smilee, we are no longer so backwards in our thinking and morality, as we have legalized infanticide. Of course, and i’m sure you will agree, infanticide is not as heinous a crime as raping children? But, since we have readjusted our moral-compass with respect to infanticide, surely we can tweak our moral-compass further, and begin to look upon pedophilia as just an expression of love between to humans? What say ye lad? How long will you continue to live with your outdated cave-mentality. Come on, smilee, shed your cave-mentality and step into the “brave new worlds”. :)

          • smilee

            You just do not get it do you. The Constitution has accepted gay equality since the 14th amendment was written in 1868 and we did not even have marriage laws until about 1924 and until recently their constitutional rights where not demanded and due to cultural restrictions not constitutional ones it took until now to correct that. You just do not understand the Constitution do you as you keep arguing with cultural positions not constitutional ones which in legal ones are irrelevant.

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            And I also have the right to own a firearm and use it for self defense. So why is that right being taken away and special rights given to special groups

          • smilee

            Irrelevant to this discussion

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            So you want to give rights to one group but take them away from another? I would say that is very relevant to this conversation. The govt should not be regulating how we think or feel.

          • smilee

            Never said that, never meant that, you are spinning my words to fit your bias

          • Bill

            Then what is your point

          • smilee

            If YOU HAD READ IT YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY POINT, Again:

            Gays have rights under the Constitution, Pedophiles do not, the Constitution would have to be changed to accommodate that and very few support that so your blowing that out your butt.

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            And I have rights under the constitution to own a firearm. So why is your buddies giving more rights to a specified group but yet taking away rights from a larger group.
            As you say, they are rights under the constitution

          • smilee

            This thread is about Obamacare

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your wanting it to be irrelevant will not make it so. What you are wanting is special privileges and dispensations, not just the rights enumerated to all in the Constitution.

          • smilee

            Your full of crap

          • Karolyn

            I haven’t heard anything about anybody’s guns being taken away.

          • KG

            And this is coming from someone who has a virgin boy rapist as an avatar!

          • WTS/JAY

            Prove it.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You are funny. When he did prove something, ecxept that he is son of Devil.

          • Bart Bunsen

            I agree 100%….once you allow 2 men to marry or 2 women to marry, the genie is out of the bottle forever & it will only get worse

          • Bill

            Hi Jay,
            I don’t care one way or the other what gays do, what I care about is the government taking away my rights on a daily basis and giving special rights to a selected group.
            I am a Libertarian and it is not the governments business to regulate how we are supposed to think, feel or act

          • Jana

            PC actually means Power over your Choice.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Not over choice, but over conviction and knowledge,

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What Karolyn doesn’t realize is that people take themselves wherever they go, so their abnormality in the privacy of their homes they take out in public and foist it on other people. Why do STD recipients bring their disease to the doctors and hospitals to be cured instead of keeping them in the privacy of their homes?

          • Karolyn

            I can’t believe you just said that. Oh, wait, on second thought…….it is YOU, after all.

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,

            Syphilitic Dementia would explain a great deal of strange behavior.

          • Bill

            Karolyn,
            The only reason the Jews outlawed polygamy is because they felt a man could not keep all of them happy, so they limited the wives to one

          • smilee

            Not many are interested so you have nothing to worry about.

          • smilee

            And the gays have that same right to speak out and be respected

          • Bart Bunsen

            Sure, they can speak out , but truth be told they have more rights now than Christians or others who see their “lifestyle” as wrong in this PC society. They got the media backing them…Hey, did you ever hear some of the comments the homos & their enablers make about Christians, yet you never hear the media call them haters or bigots, do you?

            Their movement has nothing to do with civil rights, it is nothing like the civil rights movement. It is all about feeling good about themselves, legitimizing their “lifestyle” as normal & bullying everyone else into agreeing or remaining silent about it. It is about desperately getting to the young as early as possible to tell them how “normal” they are. They get incensed when people call it what it is, DARKNESS, they get incensed when wedding caterers or photographers turn down their money & they sue them, even though there are many others who will take their money… If these things they seek are universal rights, why are there exemptions for churches & businesses, etc..? This was not the case with the civil rights movements of the 60’s.

          • NC

            bart. some of the most hate filled speeches and writings in history have been by STRAIGHT CHRISTIANS BERATING OTHER STRAIGHT CHRISTIANS! CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES AND DAMNIN EACH OTHER TO HELL! AND THAT WAS WHEN THEY COULD NOT GET TO THEM TO HANG THEM OR BURN THEM!!!
            Gays didn’t invent that practice and further more have never seen anyone here saying unkind words about gays?
            SELECTIVE MEMORY IS EVIL AND AKIN TO LYING!!

          • Bart Bunsen

            Hey , I have my beliefs & principles & stick to them & do not defend evil anywhere, even in the name of organized religion, whatever it is…. I do not hate homos (see my post above), but i have a problem with the homo agenda & the rights that are being squashed by it, If someone believes that homosexuality is wrong, why are they haters? Why should they when expressing their American & God given right of free speech be possibly suspended from a school or charged with a hate crime? Why are the homos & their supporters able to say the most vitriolic things about spiritual people who disagree & not worry about being charged with a hate crime? Why should parents who have a child exhibiting this disease not be allowed to get them help, just so the homos could feel like they are not sick?

          • nc

            Bart, it is when people say things like you, an admitted bigot, just wrote that they, the gays, are DISEASED people is when it smacks of hatred! You know that you have a God(?) given and Constitutional right to WAIVE any right you have when it does unnecessary harm to another person? Or don’t you know that? Does your bigotry cloud that ability?
            A very large percentage of the gays don’t want the “treatment” you think they need for their “disease”! THEY WANT ACCEPTANCE AND IF THERE WERE NOT SO MANY WHACKOS RUNNING AROUND SEEKING LAWS TO LIMIT THAT ACCEPTANCE YOU WOULD HEAR MUCH LESS FROM THEM! HOW MUCH DID YOU EVER HEAR UNTIL THEY WERE DENIED THE RIGHT TO MARRY! THEY WEREN’T OUT IN THE STREETS TO KILL STRAIGHT PEOPLE THEY WERE THERE TO PEACEFULLY LIVE TOGETHER AS A MARRIED COUPLE!
            Back in the 50s I worked in a theatre where a large percentage of the company were gays! To a person, I found them to be well educated, very dedicated and talented! Their sexual preference was known and accepted as was ours and it was one of the most harmonious groups I have every been involved with! We did good work and had fun doing it! If only the world could live in such tranquility today!!

          • Karolyn

            Just as with any other segment of society, there are gay extremists. And there are gays who are Christian. I personally am friends with a man who is gay AND a conservative Christian. My lesbian friends are regular people raising terrific kids.

          • Bart Bunsen

            They are severely failing as Christians if they are living that way…they need to bend the knee to the Christ & do all they can to come out of it!

            Let me tell you something, my girlfriend has 2 homo brothers who are my friends, who I break bread with & love dearly…but if one was to get married, I would not attend their wedding, because I cannot do anything to legitimize this behavior. Am i a bigot or hater for that?

          • Karolyn

            Maybe not a hater, but, yes, a bigot. Have you ever talked to them about their homosexuality? Also, why is it people use gay men as the example but never say much about lesbians?

          • smilee

            YES

          • smilee

            They have had the Constitution backing them since 1868, and every court to date that has ruled on it has said that and again this week in NJ, Christians do not have less rights, they just do not have the right to force their beliefs on them. It is their civil rights under the Constitution. It does not seem you believe in the Constitution. It is you who is filled with hate and is a bigot but in denial that is for sure.

          • Jana

            They can speak out, it is a free country, but I WILL NOT RESPECT THEM!

          • smilee

            Fine, but then you do not deserve any respect in return

          • Barakolips

            I guess your fine with your kids being taught gay is normal in their schools then? Gay is not normal, and no gays I have ever met are happy with themselves.

          • Bob666

            Timbo,

            Just curious, how many gays have you met and how many straight people have you met that are really happy with themselves?

          • smilee

            I believe in them being taught the truth instead of trying to fool them and in the process teach them to discriminate against them. Really = truth and gays are a reality weather you want to admit it or not.

          • Karolyn

            Well, I’ve known many who are perfectly happy with themselves. The only ones who are not happy are the ones living a lie and the ones who suffer due to society’s condemnation.

          • Jana

            It doesn’t matter. God in His Word says It is sin. It is not an unforgivable sin, but it is sin. I stand with God and His Word. If you don’t like it, take it up with God.

          • smilee

            Gay people where created by him just as you and I where and if by creation they where made gay then it
            is beyond their control. God will then not judge them on
            that as he asks nothing of you that you have no
            control over and many gays say they were born that way
            and unless you are gay then we have no way of knowing if they were or not and we were also told not to judge so be careful. Do not judge them.

          • Jana

            I am only repeating what the Word of God says. It is not my place to judge anyone, only God is capable of judging anyone, but it is my place to tell the truth.

            The Bible even tells us to go one step further, and that is to love our enemies, and it says if you love your enemies that means in essence having the guts to tell them the truth. That happens to be the hard part. The easy part would be just walking away and not say anything.

            A gay person is not my enemy unless he or she tries to force me to say it is a good thing to be gay or it is all right and should be accepted throughout society. Neither should anyone be physically attacked like they have with these hate crimes, that is wrong.

            It has never been proven that they have been born that way, try as they might, it has not.

          • smilee

            It has not been proven that they were not born that way either and unless you are gay you have no idea which is true and if it is true then that is the way GOD created them

          • Jana

            So you don’t have a leg to stand on.

          • nc

            Jana, if they truthfully say they don’t remember feeling any other way, what more proof is there that THEY were born that way? Did their mothers milk or the way she sang to them or SOMETHING ELSE cause it?? You are more sure of some “cause” you can’t name for their condition than what they say about their own condition???? You “we have the answer for everything” conservatives are truly scary people!! DANGEROUS TOO IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY!

          • WTS/JAY

            What about pedophiles, smilee? Did God create pedophiles, and so, it is beyond their control? What say ye lad?

          • smilee

            I suppose he did but under our constitution we can and have made laws prohibiting it and preventing this abuse against children which is right and admirable, There is no abuse in gay marriage because it is between two consenting adults. pedophilia is akin to rape and are you suggesting we not have laws against rape too then?? Your ridiculous!!

          • WTS/JAY

            smilee: pedophilia is akin to rape and are you suggesting we not have laws against rape too then?? Your ridiculous!!

            You’re jumping the gun, smilee. I’m suggesting no such thing. What i’m saying, and what is clearly evident, is that, pedophiles are using the same tactics and the same argument, “born that way”, as did homosexuals, to normalize/legitimize their lifestyle-choice. Can you not comprehend what you read?

          • smilee

            No and I never said that you did, how stupid is that!! It is in a different ball game than gays, for gays it is their constitutional right and for pedophiles it is not so they cannot win unless we change the Constitution and I guess your stupid enough to think that is possible. Your addressing a problem that does not exist no matter what they, you or anyone else says.

          • NC

            Jana, they don’t mind taking it up with God! They know how they feel and how long they have felt that wa He made them and knows where it came from! YOU DON’T!! YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK YOU KNOW THE WILL OF GOD(?) BUT YOU DON’T!!!!! IF THERE IS A GOD!
            IT’S HAVING TO TAKE IT UP WITH THE STATES THAT THEY SEE NO NEED FOR!! A BENELOVENT GOD(?) IS NOT THEIR PROBLEM!!! IT’S IGNORANT OPINIONATED PEOPLE!

          • Jana

            Whatever!!!!

          • Bart Bunsen

            How come it is not a hate crime when they have their Pride Parades and show Jesus in bondage or Mary in a bikini?
            Did you ever see one of these parades, it is like watching a porno movie..DISGUSTING virtually naked men rubbing against each other, all kinds of men dressed as women, a redux of Sodom & Gomorrah!

          • Karolyn

            Nobody asked you to watch. And, as I have said before, there are gay extremists, just like there are extremists in any segment.

          • Bart Bunsen

            Yes, but remember there are children there as young as 3 and 4 watching….UNCONSCIONABLE!!!! I’d like to enlighten you, most homos & their supporters are radical loony tunes..very, very militant. They are so outrageous, because they are DESPERATE to be accepted as normal, for deep within their hearts & souls they know it is wrong behavior, but rather than put in the hard spiritual work needed to change, it is easier to bully everyone into saying that are normal or make sure they remain silent & do not feel their wrath…I for one will not be silenced. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SEVERE TRANSGRESSION OF DIVINE & NATURAL LAW & IT IS SATANIC BEHAVIOR!

            This whole homo thing is not about civil rights, it is not a social issue, it is a spiritual one!

            There are many spiritual adepts who can read the Akashic records & have seen the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah…it was no fairy tale & it can happen again. Great empires have fallen from rampant homosexuality!

          • Karolyn

            God made them that way, and “God don’t make junk.” (a phrase a very old friend used to use). Have you ever read stories of gay men who tried to change but felt they were living a lie? How can anyone live their whole life as a lie? Why would anybody choose to suffer? I have known many who lived that life. I knew a hetero couple who got married and several years later realized that he was gay and she a lesbian. Love is love. Why does everybody have to focus on the sexual aspect? It’s not all about sex; it’s about love.
            Sodom & Gomorrah fell supposedly due to paganism and debauchery. I say “supposedly” because I do not believe all the myths it holds. I do believe it teaches very valid lessons but believe it was written by men for control. Why were stories left out of the Bible – stories that contradict other stories it holds?

          • WTS/JAY

            You know, Karolyn, pedophiles are beginning to claim that God made them “that way”, as well, and a considerable number of health-care professionals are agreeing with such a claim. Why should only the homosexuals lay stake to such a claim?

          • Karolyn

            There is a big difference there, Jay. Pedophilia cannot be compared to homosexuality. Something that hurts children would never be made legal.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Tell us how that “most people want to mind their own business and live and let live” works, Karolyn. When the same people have the loathsome disease they attack the doctors and research and pharma and the judicial system that are not working fast enough to find the cure or protect them from the consequences of their desires.
          Your muddled Dem/Prog/Leftist ideology wants “community” but then spouts the stupid cliché.

          • smilee

            BS

      • Beef Jersey Jerky

        NOOOO!! You are wrong, Christie is a Big Blowhard Phony on this & many other issues…he is trying to play both sides! See his reprehensible ANT-FREEDOM decision below. It is UNCONSCIONABLE that the Homo lobby fights the freedom for parents to decide what is best for their children!! And as a supposedly staunch Catholic , he can’t see homosexuality is wrong!

        http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/chris-christie-gay-conversion-therapy-new-jersey-95666.html

        • agbjr

          ‘NC’ as in North Carolina?

        • craig

          THAT STRUCK A REAL BONE WITH YOU DIDN’T IT!!

          • Beef Jersey Jerky

            Yeah, I think he knows it’s wrong & disgusting, but he is currying favor here!

          • craig

            He is not who I would be voting for

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But since you would not be voting for Christie anyway, what point are you trying to make?

          • Jana

            They are making the same point you are making. Christi is not a good Republican.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So it is the fault of the Jerseyites that knew Christie was not a Republican and yet voted for him. The worst lies that people tell are the ones they tell themselves and then come to believe them and then rationalize them. So Jersey doesn’t have decent people?

          • The Jeerzzzzy Boy

            Let me tell you , even if this fat phony SOB is a RINO, he is still miles ahead of any Libtard we would have instead…remember before Christie was Jon Corzine….YIKES!!!

          • smilee

            There are so few good republicans today,they are a dying breed.

          • Jana

            I know it is. It is also prophesied that the wicked will take over for a very very short season. but that doesn’t mean I am going down easily! You it seems have already succumbed.

      • smilee

        Polls out yesterday show 69%of those under 35 favor it

        • craig

          I DIDN’T REALIZE THIS WAS A GAY SITE…..THOSE POLLS WERE TAKEN IN A GAY BAR …NOWHERE MOST AMERICANS GO

          • smilee

            Nice try but no

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Nice try, craig, to tar this site. Can’t take this PLD site down honestly so playing deceitful games.

          • WTS/JAY

            The pollsters were also gay, so you can well imagine they padded the findings.

          • JeffH

            padded or patted?

          • WTS/JAY

            Probably stroked.

        • Gopher Ball

          Yeah, because after decades of brainwashing by the PC elites in the public schools & college campuses, the Hollywood & TV crowd, the Madison Ave. crowd & the music industry, our youth has been poisoned to think it is normal behavior & the lie they are born that way!

          • smilee

            Pure BS

          • Gopher Ball

            Nah, years ago people could recognize the satanic insanity of 2 men getting married! This is not an issue of people being enlightened, but being misled by the forces of darkness!

            When you believe in nothing, anything goes!

          • smilee

            Your the one in the dark

          • FUK FACE HARRY

            Ask yourself this: Do you really believe God created men so they could stick their penises in each others anuses?

          • smilee

            Is it really any different than sticking their penises in a woman’s anus, that is quite common.. God made the gays as well as you. If being gay is in their genetic makeup then it is a part of God’s creation and beyond their control and I do not believe God will hold any responsible if that is the case and we cannot know that but many gays say that is the case and they would know more about that than you or me

          • Jana

            Not to God!

          • jaybird

            The college students and other young people are for it because of the reason that you stated. It is also because it is being published that they won’t have to pay a lot for health insurance, low monthly pymts=high deductibles which they don’t realize. It looks like it might be better if the Republicans do not to fight it so people will see how bad it is but it will be harder to replace and a lot of people will get hurt. A lot of people have already been hurt by hours being cut=smaller paychecks and lost insurance.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          This is because todays young people are not as moral, virtuous, and religious as our founding fathers wanted this country to be. They also never be able to seem to take responsibility for their actions, nor are they willing to think or accept the repercussions for their decisions. My children are part of the 31% that don’t. Ergo, they are on the patriotic side. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care.
          http://www.thedailysheeple.com/bend-over-and-cough-some-insurance-rates-to-quadruple-with-obamas-good-deal-on-healthcare_092013
          http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/reid-goes-ballistic-on-tea-party-anarchists/?cat_orig=politics
          http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-rep-clashes-with-sharpton-on-obamacare-if-its-good-enough-for-the-people-why-is-congress-exempted/
          Here is one about Obama bin Laden’s friends.
          http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/09/25133-muslims-campaigning-to-force-maryland-schools-to-close-on-islamic-holidays/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
          “”Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!”
          Admiral Farragut

          • smilee

            Coming from someone who tells lies all day long, you should not be preaching others morals

          • mnkysnkle

            The one who screams “everybody’s a liar”, is the biggest liar of all time!! You never fail to dissapoint us smelly

          • smilee

            You would not know the truth under any circumstances as you are brainwashed and sammie never tells the truth

          • Karolyn

            People can certainly be virtuous and moral and accept homosexuality and not even believe in God or the Bible, samurai.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You just got baited by Karolyn, nc, and smilee. That is their purpose. They don’t want a thinking response but to get a emotional response at which point they will tear you apart while life force is still in you. What you are seeing is purely human predators in action.

        • craig

          I had a human predator for breakfast.

        • smilee

          A Constitutional supported response is not an emotional response and that is what we support. You non patriots do not honor the Constitution or want to go by it..

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            So that means you support our constitutional rights to own firearms for self defense

          • smilee

            This is about Obamacare so you are irrelevant at this time

          • Bill

            Smilee,

            So for lack of intelligent argument, just change the subject. You are the one that was talking about the constitution and the rights here under. So my comment is very relevant to what you were saying.

            But you only want to push your political agenda. So you use constitutional rights to push your agenda but when another constitutional right is against your agenda, you call it irrelevant

            It appears that you are just full of crap

          • NC

            Bill, the average fire fight to defend ones home last just a matter of seconds> I don’t know of a liberal OR ANY CONCERNED CITIZEN who would deny ANYONE that much fire power? How much fire power would a competent gun owner need??????? FEEL FREE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL HANDGUN FOR LEGAL CONCEALED CARRY! WE’RE FLEXIBLE!!!! ARE YOU???

          • Bill

            NC,
            How is it any of your business what guns I own or how much ammunition I have.
            It is like me telling you that all you really need is a Smart car to dive from A to Z and I wish to legislate any other choices you may have.
            I choose to drive a V-8 and I chose to own several guns and stock up on ammunition just like I would stock up on any other commodity. And it is none of your damn business

          • nc

            Bill, how many killings of multiple people, including kids in movies and schools with fire arms must occur before it becomes any of your damned business?? You say It’s just something we must live with forever??? Really?????

          • Bill

            NC,
            You are looking in the wrong place. You need to look at the one common denominator in all of these killings; Psychiatric drugs. Every one of these killers were on psychiatric drugs.
            So your answer of disarming honest citizens is the wrong answer and will not stop the killings
            By the way, what kind of car do you drive?

          • Don 2

            How many abortions must occur before you call it murder? We’re over the 50 million mark. Isn’t it ironic that all those who are pro-abortion have already been born?

          • azsequaya

            It seems to me you should be gazing in a mirror as you spew your ignorant garbage. Just by reading these posts, YOU are the one that does`nt understand…!!

          • smilee

            What I spew is the truth, to bad you have no value for it!!

        • nc

          Batki, you can’t get a “thinking response” from a Conservative! All you get is knee jerk response if something is not done the 18th century way!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Serfdom that you advocate comes from the 15th Century, NutCase.

      • NC

        Craig, you are a major supporter of a group that received 1% of the popular vote and I support the group that won the LAST TWO elections and you say what I say is disgusting to MOST Americans? I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE “DISGUSTING” TO MOST OF THE AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE LIKE YOU AND NOT TO “MOST” AS IN WINNER !! YOU ARE HAVING DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR TRYING TO PUMP LIFE INTO THAT !%.

    • agbjr

      Governor Christie has said numerous times this decision is not for the legislature or the courts but for the people to make themselves in a public referendum. The State Assembly and State Senate have before voted to allow same-sex ‘marriage’ in New Jersey, thankfully vetoed by the Governor. He has at least twice asked the legislature to put it to public vote but they have refused; they know the people will turn it down. Governor Christie is following the New Jersey State Constitution.

      • Vis Fac

        Unfortunately the Key Note Speaker for the RNC turned out to be an ODUMBO shill planted so ODUMBO would know what stratagems were about to be implemented during Romney’s presidential campaign.

        Cristie like McCain are merely RINOS (among many others)working for the DUMBOCRITES.

        It is time we return to having our constitution being the supreme law of the land and remove the liberal lawyers and get rid of their two bit interpretations.

        We are patriotic Americans. We peacefully assemble. We petition our government. We exercise our right to free speech and we don’t understand why our government tried to stop us. We aren’t here as serfs or vassals. We’re not begging our lords for mercy. We are born free American citizens and we’re
        telling our government that you’ve forgotten your place. It’s not your responsibility to look out for our well being and monitor our speech. It’s not your right to assert an agenda. The post that you occupy exists to preserve American liberty. You’ve sworn to perform that duty and you have faltered. —
        Becky Gerritson of Wetumpka Tea Party

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Jana

          Amen!
          I don’t trust McCain. He is not and never has been consistent. He is a Liberal Democrat pretending to be a Republican. We have a lot of those in the Republican Party.

          • J.J. Jersey

            He’s a Big Bag of Hot Air!!!

          • azsequaya

            YES,,, & not worthy of a comment !!!

          • NC

            JANA, AND THEY RUN THE GOVERNMENT WHILE THE TRUE CONSERVATIVES RUN THEIR MOUTHS.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you are admitting that you are fine with Lying, Deceit, Treacherous behavior,Theft, Murder, Envy and Malevolency that put your Dems/Progs/Leftists in power and keeps them there.

          • NC

            Batki, I believe in the efforts of those who made this the number one nation in the world and KEEPS US THERE! If there has been a true conservative in the bunch his name escapes me!
            I AM EVEN FINE WITH YOUR RANTS BECAUSE ADULT INDEPENDENTS READ THEM, SMILE, SHAKE THEIR HEADS, SAY “WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT” AND WALK AWAY!

        • NC

          Force< have you never read the Preamble to the Constitution! Every reason the founding fathers gave for establishing THE CONSTITUTION was to "look out for the well being of the citizens" and charged every person sworn to uphold it to that RESPONSIILITY! It gave neither you nor any private citizen the right to dictate how that responsibility will be handled! It goes to the party with the responsibility!
          YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF OR LEAVE THECOUNTRY!
          OR YOU COULD CONTACT THE ACLU! THEY ARE THE EXPERTS ON WHAT THE CONSTITUTION MEANS!! AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE BEST RECORD WITHIN THE FOUNDING FATHERS PRESCRIBED METHOD OF DETERMING WHAT IT MEANS!

      • smilee

        a Public vote will not supersede the Constitution as prop 8 in CA proved they voted to deny it but he courts overturned it because you cannot have laws that violate the Constitution

        • agbjr

          Morals and common decency do not ‘violate’ the Constitution.

          • smilee

            It does if you believe gay behavior is immoral and indecent

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you want gay marriage across the country so what is your complaint, Karolyn? Christie will let this play out in the courts so his hands will be clean.

    • KG

      So I guess people will recognize the marriage between David and Jonathan? We can only hope so.

    • WTS/JAY

      The Judge is a flaming-homosexual, so no surprise there.

      • FUK FACE HARRY

        Just like the guy in California prop. 8 Lamberth, he did not recuse himself…UNCONSCIONABLE

      • WTS/JAY

        Dave: Tell me Jay, why do you think a legal contract that is recognized by the Gov that 2 consenting should be allowed to entered into, should not be by homosexuals?

        Did i say that? Show me where, Dave.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I don’t know how anybody can call “marriage” a contract, since neither side usually has a clue as to what they are actually agreeing to.
        But there is nothing stopping Gay People anywhere from engaging in a Contract. So why so much fuss about Gay Marriage? If they are concerned with special benefits for married people, that is the problem, and that is what they should be working to abolish.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      From the article — “A state judge today ruled to legalize same-sex marriage in New Jersey, saying gay couples would be denied federal benefits if the state kept allowing only civil unions”.
      Sounds to me like the UnEqual Federal Benefits is the problem. First, of course, there should be no “Benefits” — It isn’t the Government’s money to give. But even if that weren’t the case — if there was “equal protection” under the law, the benefits should strictly apply only to individuals, in which case marriage status would be a moot point.
      Also, that judgement is a good example of Judge’s legislating from the bench which should be fought against vigorously.

      If I had my way, marriage would be abolished and replaced with robust civil contracts between partners so that both parties would know exactly what they are agreeing to instead of this vague implicit contract called marriage which catches so many completely by surprise when they decide they no longer want to be together.

  • red55bird

    In most States were marriage between a man and women was voted on, I think most voters, voted to keep it between a man and women, but then you have liberal judges deem this to be unconstitutional and over ride the voter and also said marriage should also be between a man to man or women to women, has anyone thought about how God see this abomination of marriage, oh that right God doesn’t have anything to do with this matter right, only the courts.

    • Vis Fac

      Liberals have forsaken God and instilled their own ODUMBO Liberals are AMORAL they are HYPOCRITES they say they cherish life yet are all to cavalier in demanding government sanctioned murder via Planned Parenthood.

      “For whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation” Barack Hussein Obama

      Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.- Ronald Reagan

      We are never defeated unless we give up on God. Ronald Reagan

      Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. Ronald Reagan

      If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under Ronald Reagan

      AND WE ARE FAST GOING UNDER!!!!

      Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.- Ronald Reagan

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • NC

        Force.
        “How in hell did my national debt triple with no wars?”
        RONALD REAGAN
        ‘I GUESS I’LL JUST HAVE TO JACK UP SOME TAXES!’
        RONALD REAGAN

        ” FORGET ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AND CONGRESS, SELL IRAN SOME WEAPONS AND GIVE THE MONEY TO THE CONTRAS.” RONALD REAGAN
        “DO IT!!! NANCY SAYS THE STARS ARE JUST RIGHT.”
        RONALD REAGAN
        THAT RONALD REAGAN?????????????????????

        • Vis Fac

          Your national debt tripled because of liberal tax and spend spend spend ans spend some more policies by Previous DUMBOCRITIC congress.

          You are obviously too young to understand Reagan or what he did for this nation either that are BRAIN DEAD!

          Leave it to a one dimensional liberal like you to make up quotes; which none as usual are true so you can twist things to conform to YOUR agenda.

          Doing so merely demonstrates there is no place low enough you wouldn’t stoop to try and prove a point. Tho point you prove is on top of your head it’s called a DUNCE CAP.

          Again you lose all credibility in the rational world and gain huge amounts in the fantasy world.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Recon says — “You are obviously too young to understand Reagan”.
            No, Recon, NutCase is an old fool (73 or older). He has said that in the past.

          • independent thinker

            I think he claims to be 77 years old and I emphasize CLAIMS to be.

          • nc

            Independent thinker. I’m 78 and remember Ronnie well! He was not bad as Republican Presidents go! Had some warts like all Presidents have had!

          • azsequaya

            YOUR choice is Destroying this Country,,,Cares NOTHING for this Country,, & hates Christians..
            Hopefully you`ll live long enough to realize

            One
            Big
            Ass
            Mistake
            America

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Close. He is 78 by his own admission.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            ” I am 78 and play golf three days a week and salt water fish every chance I get. My choice is in the Oval Office and as a life long Democrat I am happy to say my party has had a great influence on MY COUNTRY becoming the number one in the world!” – Nut Case in his reply to me: http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/24/frowning-upon-freedom/#comment-1016419959

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks, Alondra.

          • nc

            Force, if you had anything resembling a sense of humor you would know that they were not intended to be direct quotes or to trick anyone! Merely making SOME points denied by you and your cronies!
            You talk about my CREDIBILITY AND YOU ARE HEAD CHEERLEADER HERE IN THE LAND OF THE UNPROVED CENTURY OLD CONSPIRACIES AND MANY MANY UNPROVED FALSE FLAGS(?) ISSUED BY YOUR HEADQUARTERS PLD??? GIVE US A BREAK!
            YOU DO KNOW THERE ARE INDEPENDENT ADULTS THAT READ YOUR DRIVEL??

          • azsequaya

            My God ,,,Nut Case,, What planet are you really from???

          • Vis Fac

            Sure anything you say just like the typical liberal you try and back peddle we all know you’re trying to save face here. Too bad you failed.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Why are you putting things in quotes, NutCase, that Reagan never said? Are you adding LIAR now to your list of negative qualifications? Or are you just plain ignorant?

          • Vis Fac

            What else would you expect from a one dimensional liberal who hasn’t the brainpower of algae? These so called experts on everything from abortion to zinc mining have certainly demonstrated there prowess to totally screw things up.

            Collectively they have yet to solve just one problem but managed to create scores that need resolved as rapidly as possible. We all know that they like to enact insipid law after law which if you break them all down is designed to chip away at Our Constitution.

            Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology impels them to subject everyone to their inane politically correct credo that does not allow for cognitive thought and diversity but mandates the conforming to one mold.

            People like Smilee and NC are products of liberal one dimensional indoctrination camps who have not received any instruction or been introduced to OUR national treasures Our Declaration of Independence and Our Constitution.

            Smilee NC and other of their ilk have been brainwashed into believing that these documents are no longer valid and that government knows best how we should live AND that government will provide everything they need so they needn’t work. This is how our rights have been usurped not by force but by apathy. And these clowns are OBLIVIOUS happy as a sissy in a carrot patch. Man are they in for the shock of their lives!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • nc

            Force> I had rather be one dimensional on a leading team that the most well rounded person on a 1% team!
            How difficult is it to be the “smartest” people on a team of complaining losers??? Just look at Aboriginal Dave, Alondra and the Samurai!(U)

          • azsequaya

            Can`t even use the English language properly ,,,!!!

          • Vis Fac

            Leading Team? Are you kidding ? Well maybe leading in the amoral moronic unethical departments certainly not in the sophistication or Mensa arenas. And you idol ODUMBO let’s not forget that clown is leading from behind.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • KG
    • Pumpkin Puss

      For 31 straight times, voters in states turned done same-sex marriage, but recently due to the brainwashing of our youth, that is no longer the case & as we saw in last election, voters are finally voting yes on pro same-sex marriage.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I’m not gay, and in fact man on man repulses me, but really — Is it any of the Government’s business who chooses to do what with voluntary participants?
        I think we should leave that up to social pressure, if any at all.
        We need to stick to more important issues like what some people do to other people against their will (Theft, Murder, assault, etc.).
        And there is plenty of that which has been implemented in both major parties’ platforms.
        If we don’t respect other people’s Freedoms, how can we expect them to respect ours?

    • smilee

      It is constitutional, read the 14th amendment, liberals support the Constitution conservatives do not, so why do you think that is bad????????

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Which Federal Government Power was granted in the Constitution that allows the Federal Government to dictate Marriage terms, Sleepee?

        • smilee

          See the 14th Amendment

          “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
          protection of the laws.

          States means throughout the united states,It does not give that power to the feds in this case but denies it to the states rendering the tenth moot on this issue Every court that has ruled on it has done so for this reason., SC has not ruled on it as yet but when it does then no state will any longer be able to deny gay marriage

      • Vis Fac

        How would you know what the constitution says? You have never read let alone studied it. All you do is parrot what others say especially those who are WRONG.

        In no way does OUR Constitution mention anything regarding marriage.

        The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so. – Ronald Reagan

        This is a “true” quote from Reagan and NOT the quotes YOU make up

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Jana

          Actually up until around the 1920’s people didn’t start getting marriage licenses. They got married in their church and by their preachers at home etc. and they had ceremonies, but no license. Then it became popular to start registering our marriages.
          I thought this an interesting tid bit of information that I just recently learned.

          • smilee

            Your right I think it was in 1924

        • smilee

          It is clear you do not know what is in it

          See the 14th Amendment

          “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
          protection of the laws.

          States means throughout the united states,It does not give that power to the feds in this case but denies it to the states rendering the tenth moot on this issue Every court that has ruled on it has done so for this reason., SC has not ruled on it as yet but when it does then no state will any longer be able to deny gay marriage

          • smilee

            How ignorant you are!! equal means the same and all laws must treat all citizens the same and as marriage is created by state law then both strait and gay marriages must be treated the same under the law. that is what this amendment requires and every court ruling on it to date has said just that so you are just totally wrong. All but simple minds understand this.

  • hungry4food

    Put these 3
    things together and it spells disaster for Freedom !!!

    TAX
    OR PENALTY? OBAMACARE AND AGENDA 21–INVENTORY & CONTROL – See more at:
    http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/1/post/2012/07/tax-or-penalty-obamacare-and-agenda-21-inventory-control.html#sthash.leAAMrWh.dpuf

    Elderly
    and got Cancer? Obamacare will UN AGENDA 21 wants you gone

    http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress/?p=28718

    Personalized
    Healthcare a Myth !!!

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/26/health/personalized-medicine-myth-reality/index.html

    • smilee

      You will believe any garbage, will you not

      • hungry4food

        Yeah and I bet you are loving the subsidy you are getting for your premium !!!!! What about that Democrats against Communism and the CNN article talking about Obamas top Helathcare Creator who said Communist Healthcare is the Only REAL Form of CARE !!!!??????!!!!!

        And I bet you are loving the idea that all these perverting ways of usurping the masters own law is going to Financially collapse the law and the private healthcare system with everyone then being dumped into a One Payer Federal System aren’t you Smilee ????

        • smilee

          Lot of assumptions and they only reveal your stupidity, lack of knowledge and bias. Truth does not appear to be very important to you

          • hungry4food

            Truth is that a Single payer system is where we are headed fast and you like it !!!

          • Vis Fac

            We are headed for financial collapse and bankruptcy. Our debtors will exact their pound of flesh by seizing assets while liberals stand and wonder how could this happen?

            Gee I don’t know could it be that you don’t know how to manage your checkbook? DUH!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • hungry4food

            So while we watch in horror our Government
            destroying our Economic system with THEIR DEBTS China and others are preparing
            for the dollar to collapse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            $5.25 Million For Senate Hair Care And 21
            Other Ways Politicians Are Living The High Life At Your Expense

            http://www.blacklistednews.com/%245.25_Million_For_Senate_Hair_Care_And_21_Other_Ways_Politicians_Are_Living_The_High_Life_At_Your_Expense/29132/0/0/0/Y/M.html

            WND
            has reported that China now owns significant public infrastructure in the
            contiguous United States and has requested public land and “special economic
            zones” free from U.S. labor controls as collateral on future loans.

            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/monckton-push-reset-on-dollar/#HYdWsyRgsDm2CCqU.99

            Game Over: Total Collapse Is Imminent

            http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/09/28/game-over-total-collapse-is-imminent/

          • Vis Fac

            I have been watching in horror for years waiting for the shoe to drop. Collapse is imminent and ODUMBO has probably made his deal with China and doesn’t care.

            China may not act until we are disarmed but you never know.

            I don’t plan on giving up my arms anytime in the future!!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Once you wake up to the reality that the Government is just one big self-propagating Gang, with the illusion of voting thrown in to pacify the people, then everything they do starts to make sense. They could care less how much debt they saddle the rest of us with, as long as they have well-feathered their own nests.

          • azsequaya

            Exactly Dave,, Like Jesse Ventura said,, DemoCrips & the Rebloodlicans

          • azsequaya

            Seizing assets,,, Clinton & barry soetoro have already given China property here in America. . Clinton gave them Long Beach Naval Base & soetoro gave them 50 square miles in Idaho

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you ever have anything real to say, Sleepee?

          • Vis Fac

            He never does because he is working hard to try and show us his level of sophistication which closely matches his IQ. somewhere on the pico scale 0.1 to the minus 12

            Sleepee as you call him deflects his inadequacies by labeling others as liars and stupid. Apparently this makes him feel better of himself, rather like his taking drugs to obscure or face reality.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • Rocketman

    Yea, my doctor last week when I went in for my check-up told me that I need to find a new doctor. He’s moving out of the country and setting up a new practice.
    Thanks so much President Zero. That’s what I call Obama because since he’s been in office he hasn’t done a single thing right.

    • smilee

      I’m betting your lying, only a fool would do that as it will have no effect on his income here.and other countries pay less.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So straight out you are admitting that you are envious and covetous of the money the doctor makes because you will never be him. So using the power of the government you would like the doctors to be slaves to the illnesses you create in yourself.

        • smilee

          ANOTHER STUPID SPIN FROM YOU, NEVER SAID THAT NEVER MEANT THAT., BELIEVE WHat you like stupid!!

          • Jana

            Wow smilee, when you say that go look in the mirror.!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You may not have said that, Sleepee, but by virtue of the fact that you vote for Liberal Progressives, who are stealing their money, you are in fact enslaving them.

          • smilee

            I have never told you how I voted so you know nothing of that

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            We both know it wasn’t conservative or GOP. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            Do you now? You think you are GOD now don’t you and can read minds. It remarkable how arrogant and ignorant you are.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Stop screaming traitor. If we don’t believe you in normal voice, how do you expect us to do so when you are screaming? In fact, you are an illness that needs to be cured from this country. Here is an article about how America is exceptional. Maybe you can learn from it.
            http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/09/makes-america-exceptional/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “The Bible, when not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life. The Bible should be read in our schools in preference to all other books because it contains the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calulated to produce private and public happiness.”
            Benjamin Rush

          • smilee

            Your so deaf all the time I thought that would help you, This coming from the mentally ill it is quite a remarkable statement which means not a thing.in the real world

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You’re projecting, Sleepee.

        • Vis Fac

          Projectile vomiting if truth be known.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • Vis Fac

        My youngest daughter is an Orthopedic Surgeon she and most of her Colleagues are considering a career change. Why? ODUMBOCARE a little publicized fact of restricting what care can be provided is cemented with fines for doctors who don’t adhere to IRS panel policy.

        Doctors cannot provide certain treatments and if they do are fined $100K for the first offense $200K for the second and $300K plus jail time for the third. I’ll wager you weren’t aware of these facts.

        Most physicians enter the field because they want to help people and ODUMBOCARE keeps them from adequately doing so.

        ODUMBOCARE is designed to weed out the elderly feeble and sick. You never hear this from lame stream media but these are FACTS not the fallacies you embrace.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          None of this is true, you are spouting the far right propaganda

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            And you are what they say in Korea, “귀가 어둡다.”, you easily believe what someone is telling you. Noe go home traitor. Here is some more news about the lost school tape of Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/09/lost-obama-school-tape-surfaces/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “The Bible contains more knowledge necessary to man in his present state than any other book in the world.”
            Benjamin Rush

          • smilee

            This is your problem not mine!! Your brainwashed!!!!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Lies! Lies! Lies! Care to cite a source showing that doctors are not thinkg about moving to another country or wanting to change their practice? Just shut up and go home traitor. Here are some things about Obama bin Laden Care.
        http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/09/obamacare-will-cure-every-damn-thing/
        http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/09/new-politics-obamacare-a-train-called-doom/
        Looks like you have lost again. But alas! What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
        “Christianity is the only true and perfect religion; and in proportion as mankind adopt its principles and obey its precepts, they will be wise and happy.”
        Benjamin Rush

        • smilee

          I suppose there are some but you are making a mountain out of a mole hill as this is not going to be a very big concern over all. Idiots whom depend on propaganda for their info may conclude otherwise but us smart ones know better

  • Carlos

    The people advocating Obamacare think they are getting something for free.
    One told me yesterday that OC will keep the emergency room at the hospital uncrowded. What a laugh, these same people are getting free care as it is and the emergency rooms will still be filled with illegals, thirty million people will not have Insurance.
    This bill is nothing more than a huge tax on the American people and most are ignorant to this fact.
    The elderly will get less medical care, Barry has used 700 billion taken from Medicare, so guess what.
    Unfortunately, we have too many cowards in the opposing party to stop this rape of our medical system.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      They’re not cowards, Carlos, they are complicit. If Republicans really were for small Government, as they give lip-service to, we would have had small Government a long time ago.

  • rick0857

    Well America congress once again says “do as we say not as we do.” “Take your obamacare and shut up about it! Do you people seriously think you have a say in this matter?” “We are the elected, we make the laws, you…you just OBEY!”
    On the other hand, America will now, beginning October 1, start to feel exactly how this country has cared for it’s Veterans health for the past 100 years. Have fun with your new medical care.

  • vicki

    Healthcare IS a right. It is even in the Bill of Rights. Amendment 9.

    Now as with ALL rights, the Constitution is a contract with government to PROTECT our right to get health care OF OUR CHOICE. There is nothing in the Constitution that grants the government the power to FORCE someone to provide us with health care. WE chose the provider. WE choose how much we are willing to pay. The government has no say in the matter.

    • organicroseski2

      I guess the way it goes is the gov is not forcing you to buy health insurance, yet. If one failed to buy it then you pay the gov thru the IRS. Now a minor amout and later more than the insurance would cost. And to think the Supreme Court agreed with this. They had to be bought off, or blackmailed thru the NSA; because, they were wrong! With a extra page of tax forms, tax processing will go up to for everyone. Does there goes “not everyone need to submitt a tax form?”

      • vicki

        Government certainly IS forcing you to buy health insurance. It is even called a mandate. And guess what happens when you refuse to pay the “protection” fee, penalty, tax…whatever.

        • organicroseski2

          I agree the gov. is forcing; but, one has a choice. Pay for insurance or pay not to have insurance. Later with the penalty being higher than the insurance down the road. No, it does not make sense. Fat, corrupt government does not belong there.

          • vicki

            That is why we call it a protection racket. “We give you a choice, your money or your wife” :)

            It is NOT a choice because it does not give the consensual option of “none of the above”

          • organicroseski2

            Sounds like the mob.

  • smilee

    Boehner failed again, he let the House GOP majority vote on a bill a few minutes ago to shut down the government Tuesday When will they learn Obamacare is not going away now or later. Like Medicare people will like it once the understand how it works and then all chance is gone. No matter how long they hold out it is not going to happen and they will be blamed as they should be. This is sheer stupidity and we will all pay for it.

    • nc

      Smilee, The GOP leadership abuses the privilege of being dumb! They tried to interview Hillary about the GOP shutting down the government again and she said” Not right now, I’m on my way to pick out my drapes for the Oval Office.”
      Jindal was right! Ignorant positions by the GOP that punish the less fortunate has been a national election killer!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        NutCase feigns concern for the “less fortunate” while he supports a Criminal in Chief who is mortgaging our grandchildren’s future to the tune of $16 Trillion, and they didn’t even get their “democratic” vote in the matter.

        • WTS/JAY

          Hmm, are they not the first to cry “choice”, as in, for example; the right of the mother to abort, and that government should stay the hell out of our bedrooms and women’s wombs? What then is this obamacare where one’s “choice”, to choose which healthcare type one wishes to purchase, or not purchase, is denied? What sort of democracy are these democretins supporting?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you’re waiting for signs of mental process from those guys, you better pull up a chair. It’s going to be a long wait.

          • nc

            aboriginal, how long have you been sitting in your chair waiting for Mises to get off the ground?????? And we’re dumb??

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s our fault that so many people have embraced immoral behavior, like your own, NutCase?
            Eventually, you will reap what you sow. I suspect by your screaming and irrational comments that you already are. We can be our own worst enemies when we don’t follow our own moral codes which we expect others to obey. You can pretend you’re being a good person, NutCase, but your mind knows better, and eventually you will pay the price for that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel Free to point out any specific lies, Shill Dave.
            Meanwhile, I champion Free Choice. You champion Forcing your way on other people with a meddlesome Government.
            I would donate money if your Father would get a retroactive vasectomy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Way to go, Shill Dave, you’ve lied about all 3.
            But what else can we expect from a Liberal Progressive Shill?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re getting desperate, Shill Dave. Do you really think your ad hominem attacks score any points with the above-average readers of PL?

            Shill Dave says — “I work, make money in a very capitalistic industry”.
            That proves you aren’t a Socialist? I would expect more logic even from you, Shill Dave.

            Shill Dave says — “Nowhere has mises bs been adopted or has worked in the modern age”.
            That is proof of what?
            What has been well-documented in modern times is that Socialism is a miserable failure. And that countries with the least amount of Socialism and the most amount of Capitalism are the most Prosperous.

            Shill Dave says — “And you have said countless times you are ok with big money in the political process. That is where the crony capitalism starts”.
            Where Crony Capitalism starts, Shill Dave, you phony, is with your Big Government involvement in the Marketplace where it is able to protect its Crony Capitalists by subsidizing them, regulating their competitors, setting quotas to stifle their competitors, and many other sneaky (like you, Shill Dave) methods that Crony Politicians use to aid their Crony Capitalists.
            It’s funny, Shill Dave, that you never mention those tools in your comments, yet try to claim to the readers that you are against Crony Capitalism. Your actions speak louder than your words, Shill Dave. You are just a misinformer.

          • Jana

            Talk like a Socialist, sound like a Socialist, smell like a Socialist—hmmm makes you look like a Socialist.
            Liberalism today represents Socialism of tomorrow.

      • Vis Fac

        Your problem is that you are so DELUDED you actually believe your own bovine excrement. Delusional; people often see others to be delusional while they are the ones who aren’t afflicted.

        Case in point Hillarious Clinton in the White House? How DELUSIONAL. She has far to many memory lapses headaches and has the holier than thou attitude after ODUMBO I wouldn’t think Americans would be ready for another communist president.

        The only way Hillarious will win is like ODUMBO did in 2012 FRAUDULENTLY.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • NC

          Force, I was told by many people that I was delusional to think that a black liberal could defeat an old white war hero! I was told again ( by landslide root and his minions) that I was even more delusional to think he could be re-elected with so many people against him!
          SO FAR YOU BRILLIANT KNUCKLE DRAGGERS ARE 0-2!!
          Why do you people think that if a vast majority of the people HERE think something that a vast majority everywhere thinks the same thing?? DO YOU FORGET WHERE YOU ARE??? DO YOU NOT KNOW THE INSIGNIFICANCE OF 1%?
          I LOVE IT WHEN YOU PEOPLE SAY VOTER FRAUD WON THE 2012 ELECTION FOR OBAMA! DO YOU KNOW HOW DESPERATE AND CHILD LIKE THAT READS TO INTELLIGENT INDEPENDENT ADULTS?? NO?? DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE EATING IT UP??DREAM ON!!! HOW DID YOU GET IN THE SERVICE??

          • Vis Fac

            You Tell me when was the last time let alone the first time we had several precincts have 100% turnout and to top that off all 100% of the vote went to ODUMBO?

            I rest my case

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Assailing me with pejorative labeling does
            nothing to give credibility to your position or argument; however in your doing so gives a wealth of credence to mine.

            As for your refusal to admit to voter fraud I need only mention that there were SEVERAL precincts that had 100% voter turnout. Seeing as how that had NEVER happened it seems odd that so many reported the same 100% turnout , so not to muddy the water further these same precincts had 100% voters voting for ODUMBO. So you to tell me there was no voter fraud would be as likely as me ice skating with Satan in August

            That dog and your argument don’t hunt. .
            One last little bit of TRUTH My deceased father ( a lifetime Republican) was sent a thank you card from the DNC for his support. Apparently someone used his name to contribute to the DNC and used it to VOTE not once but FOUR times. This is why Liberals are against voter ID and immigration reform, for if Voter ID were adopted and Immigration reformed Liberals would not have a voting bloc to fix elections.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        You mean you have the priviledge of being dumb, in which you perform so well. Hillary has no chance of being elected. Remember, “Who cares how they died?” Here is an article about how you and your ilk have been trying to keep the poor as poor as possible and dependent on the government.
        http://www.westernjournalism.com/liberal-entitlements-popularizing-poverty-dependence-since-1965/
        Here is one where your girlfriend Pelosi is celebrating the loss of full time jobs in America. Must be a traitor.
        http://www.westernjournalism.com/pelosi-celebrates-loss-full-time-jobs/
        Sounds like your ilk are really losing it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effective means of limiting Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible in schools.”
        Benjamin Rush

        • rwm44

          also how old will hillery be when it is time to vote. didnt all the idiots on the left claim john mccain was way to old to handle the stresses of POTUS. now look to hillery she couldnt handle the stress of her last position

    • WTS/JAY

      Will Obamacare survive?

      Once it’s passed by Congress and signed by a president, even the most controversial legislation acquires a shield — an appearance of inevitability. Americans may not like the new tax regs, or the plum for federal workers, or the costly farm bill, but hey, it’s now the law.

      Adding that protective shield to the health care overhaul known as Obamacare was a core goal of its Democratic godfathers and godmothers in Congress and the White House: Its details, and the political hustle that rammed it into law, were less important than the sense of inevitability and public acceptance that they thought were sure to follow.

      More than three years after its passage, though, whatever sense of inevitability Obamacare initially possessed is on life support. And the public acceptance? Public opinion pollsters continue to find majorities of Americans opposed to what they understand of the massive law’s consequences for their health care.

      A recent stunning disclosure that the Obama administration will delay enforcing a key provision of the law is the latest evidence that Obamacare risks collapsing less because of its foes’ sabotage than because of its own enormous ambitions.

      The admission at such a late date that the so-called employer mandate isn’t workable yet further shakes public confidence in Obamacare’s fundamental assumption: that something as intimate and central to life as individual Americans’ health care can be consigned to a vast exercise in central planning. At no point in the unfolding history of this enterprise have citizens had so much cause to doubt the central planners — bureaucrats at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Internal Revenue Service, and administration operatives in the West Wing of the White House.

      Will Obamacare survive, fall apart, or succumb to repeal under a new president in 2017? Five implications of this week’s retreat on the employer mandate:

      Delaying from 2014 until 2015 the rule that mid-sized and large employers provide coverage to their workers or pay a penalty risks driving up the cost of Obamacare: Remember, one goal of this mandate was to have employers shoulder, from the get-go, a big share of insurance costs so that taxpayers wouldn’t go broke subsidizing the employees’ insurance. A delay that lets employers off a payment hook stands to put taxpayers on it.

      Rising expenses would mean more than the usual discomfort for sponsors of any new law that has cost overruns. Republicans already are crowing about President Barack Obama’s many reiterations of a double-down promise he made to a joint session of Congress on health care in September 2009: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future. I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.” The likelihood that rolling back this mandate raises the law’s costs will embolden opponents who’ll try harder than ever to strip funding from Obamacare as budget negotiations intensify this summer: He said not one dime, remember?

      Tuesday’s embarrassment follows the administration’s earlier and equally reluctant delay of a provision that would have given a choice of insurance plans to workers at small businesses. Those employers instead will do the choosing for employees: A federal pledge of comprehensive coverage may, in the end, yield something much less.

      Enforcing the employer mandate ought to be a cakewalk compared to the far more complex job of enforcing Obamacare’s individual mandate. The process of guiding millions of Americans through a selection of insurance policies in state-by-state marketplaces, or “exchanges,” accompanies a requirement that citizens have insurance or pay a penalty to the government. That the feds can’t make the comparatively simple employer mandate work on schedule doesn’t improve the prognosis for the enrollment process scheduled to begin in … less than 13 weeks.

      Perhaps most important, the collapse in July 2013 of another pillar of a law signed in March 2010 belies assurances from the president and his party that the federal government — and his administration in particular — is fully competent to manage a health sector that constitutes one-sixth of the nation’s economy.

      As longtime critics of this law — too ambitious, too regimented, too trusting in government’s skill — we’re surprised less that part of the law isn’t ready for prime time than we are by the administration’s late date in acknowledging as much. News coverage of Obamacare’s problems is escalating just as Team Obama ramps up efforts to publicize the scheduled Oct. 1 rollout of state exchanges and individual enrollment. A tough sell just got tougher.

      Republicans want to kill it, not rescue it. With this fresh blood in the water, they’re even better armed to criticize Obamacare in future budget fights and election cycles.

      More telling is the silence elsewhere.

      After the recent delay in implementing a key provision from the administration — via blog posts, not press conferences or speeches, did you see all those national Democrats racing to microphones with ideas to make the law they championed a rousing success? Neither did we.

      http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-05/opinion/ct-edit-obamacare-20130705_1_will-obamacare-health-care-health-law

      • smilee

        AND YOUR POINT IS??????? CHANGES NOTHING

        • Vis Fac

          Statutes are subject to repeal so it does change things. If ODUMBOCARE isn’t funded it will shrivel and die like your testicles have because you haven’t the cajones to fend for yourself. You are a parasite that leeches off others.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            OK let me put it to you this way a way the cerebrally necrotic would understand. You are standing on a ledge where a sheer 500 foot drop insures death. You know if you jump you’ll die but do it anyway because there is a chance you could only be maimed and in a vegetative state so you jump anyway.

            More than 75% of America KNOWS ODUMBOCARE will not work but you die hard liberal wish only to FORCE the issue even though you know it’s wrong Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology at work here

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            It will not be repealed and it will be funded dream on silly!!

          • Vis Fac

            We’ll see!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            There is nothing to see, it is over and done with!!GOP has in effect lost this already

          • Vis Fac

            Only in your mind; only in your mind!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            In reality no it is fact, so dream on sucker!! Will you ever cease to come up with something stupid to say??

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Care to place a little wager on that, traitor? Here are 2 articles about another problem of Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/commission-seeks-answers-benghazi/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-left-americans-sitting-ducks-benghazi/
            Since this will not go away, Hitlery hasn’t a snowballs chance at winning. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “The only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.”
            Benjamin Rush

          • smilee

            Sure I’ll bet, how many millions do you want to lose?? As long as you continue to rely on this propaganda betting against you is a safe bet!!

          • azsequaya

            Quote from Barry Soetoro (oslimebag)

            ” I wil stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction” pg 261 The Audacity of Hope.
            Sounds like a true “AMERICAN”????

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            The Kenyan Fraud began his presidency with trips to Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and in speeches in Ankara and Cairo where he ensured the muslims: “I am one of you.”

            In his Cairo speech he quoted “holy quran” SIX times.
            “Holy Bible” he quoted only once.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave is getting desperate. His handlers must be threatening to pull his salary even though they are only wasting taxpayer money, not their own.

        • WTS/JAY

          My point is that, Obamacare may not survive. God perish the thought. :)

          • smilee

            Obamacare will survive and will be liked by most and that is what scares the crap out of republicans and for 45 times they have voted to repeal it and failed to do so and now they caved in and said we will not repeal but we demand to delay it a year and are willing to shut the gov down if they do not get their way with that and it is doubtful the senate will agree to that but if the did Obama will veto it and they will have failed again. These childish games will cost us all, how stupid they are.

          • WTS/JAY

            I agree, how can people be so stupid and not recognize a good thing when they see it, smilee? Who wouldn’t want healthcare, especially when it’s free, and unconstitutional? weeeee….it’s free! Nobody pays for it! How could you not love that, right, smilee?

          • smilee

            No body said it was free, just better and it is in part paid for in taxes but half the health care costs in the country today and for years have been paid for with taxes in a much more inefficient way. I guess you are against efficiency too, which is now going to be improved once we get past start costs with better coverage’s .for more people. The real name of the act is the affordable care act and just because the GOP is lying about that it does not make it true. They fear that truth getting out so they are now in desperation mode as they know if they do not succeed in stopping it (and they will not) people will learn the truth and know they are liars the truth is they will like it, Nice to see you now acknowledge it a good thing, But the courts said it is constitutional so you are still lying about that.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Yes it will. Watch and see. We do not need a program that takes money from those that work and spend it on those who don’t want to work or refuse to get insurance, unless it is given to them for free. If this program is so good, then why are unions dumping the program? Why are businesses turning full time positions to part time? Why are businesses raising prices and/or firing people so they can afford it? Sheesh! Just shut up and go home, traitor. Thank good ness your kind is a dying breed. America don’t need people like you. Here is something about Obama bin Laden Care.
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamacare-sticker-shock-ky-mans-premiums-tripled/
          Looks like you lied about it being affordable. But alas! That is all you ever do, isn’t it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
          “The greatest discoveries in science have been made by Christian philosophers and there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity.”
          Benjamin Rush

          • smilee

            It is over and done with, it is the law and it will be implemented, the GOP has in effect already lost this and they just are not smart enough to have figured it out as of yet and you are not either. Your arguments are yesterdays news which no longer exists. Grow up and get past it and on with your life, quit trying to make a case against something that does not exist

          • nc

            Samurai, says “Yes it will (change). Watch and see.”
            Is that the same guarantee as ” Obama is a one term President! Watch and see!” ????? I’ll bet your Uncle Wayne Root told you that!!!

      • nc

        WTS, every political group ,conservative or liberal , that has ever passed a law has enjoyed the SHIELD that the Constitution gives it! How many votes it takes to change it or kill it !!! HAVE you ever heard any party say “We have just passed this law but if anyone complains we will drop it entirely”?? All bills have the shield!! It’s the Constitutional way!!

  • Vis Fac

    You really want to know who doesn’t care for the middle class it is ODUMBO.

    I know this will sail miles above your head but I will impart this information anyway. Your hero ODUMBO tells you he is going to redistribute the wealth of the 1% to you and that your taxes would not be effected and you eat it up like a child eats candy.

    Never mind the 1% he speaks of is the very same 1% who OWN ODUMBO through campaign contributions. Remember ODUMBO’s sequestration tactic to force congress into voting for HIS tax plan? Probably not, but hidden in this plan were the 1% leveraged ODUMBO into providing “special loopholes” that applied to them thus eliminating most if not all their tax liability then (and here’s the kicker) managed to CLOSE and ELIMINATE deductions and write offs on the rest of us resulting in yo paying MORE not less taxes. How’s that for caring for the middle class and America in general?

    Too bad you and your ilk are too stupid to realize you’ve been played and CONTINUE to idolize that omnipotent snake oil salesman. You exist in a state of hypoxia and don’t realize that you are slowly suffocating yourself.

    You gladly discard the one document that keeps you free for a perceived condition of comfort and safety. You want to reap the benefits other sow and condemn those who provide for you. How long do you think this will last?

    Libertas inaestimabilis res est
    Semper-Fi

    • Jana

      You said Force Recon, and you said it OH SO WELL!!!!

      • Vis Fac

        Danke.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Nancy?

    • Vis Fac

      There you go again with the pejoratives. It seems as though you can’t post a rebuttal without being on the defensive and assigning labels; dim bulb indeed. Unlike you I have an IQ higher than algae; you would jump off a cliff if ODUMBO told you to which is about the same as initiating and funding ODUMBOCARE

      Only an IDIOT would blindly ascribe to something they knew nothing about and DC is chock full of LIBERAL IDIOTS.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Is this really Nancy Pelosi? Because you really do sound as ignorant as she does. It has been defunded by Congress, ergo, it has no money. Just repeal the whole thing. What if the next president gave an executive order overturning it, what then? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. Here is a fine example of the libturd/progturd schools we haveand the teachers in them.
      http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12685/teacher-rapes-14-yr-old-girl-commits-suicide-serves-30-days-jail/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “I have thrown myself, reeking with sin, on the mercy of God, through Jesus Christ His blessed Son and our (yes, my friend, our) precious Redeemer; and I have assurances as strong as that I now owe nothing to your rank that the debt is paid and now I love God – and with reason. I once hated him – and with reason, too, for I knew not Christ. The only cause why I should love God is His goodness and mercy to me through Christ.”
      John Randopf of Roanoke
      Congressman under Adams to Jackson
      U.S. Senator
      Diplomat
      Devout Christian

  • Quester55

    I’VE Commented so much on The OBAMA-DEATH-CARE, That I have decided to call those S.O.B.’S To let them know what I think, Guess what, Those Citizen Placed old Farts, Just Laugh & hang up! I Just wish WE could do the Same, & Hang them—-Up !!

  • Jana

    If this is all as great as you proclaim, then why is Congress exempt from this because they and their aids cannot afford it?

    Why isn’t the President on it?
    Why has the President given so many others immunity from it?
    Even the Muslims are exempt.

    My insurance never has paid for an aspirin anyway.

    One major point is, even the major sponsor and writer of this bill have stated that this bill is a disaster.

    What you have put down here in very simplistic terms does not really cut it when we have lawyers who have lawyers who still do not know everything about this fiasco yet. There will be law suits out the gazoo trying to figure out all of this nonsense and you think you have it down pat. HA.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Wrong! These are facts. Let’s not forget how the Senate and Congress are not covered by this crap either. Just can’t win, can you little boy? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Sure, a Socialist telling us he cares about the poor, when in fact the poor have been the first to perish wherever Socialism has been fully implemented.
    You are concerned only for those who are using the poor as pawns, Shill Dave.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You have no credibility, Shill Dave.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Polly want a Cracker? Baraaaack!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Shill Dave tacitly brags about his position as an overpaid Government elitist.
          “Let them eat cake”, right Shill Dave?

          • WTS/JAY

            Poor old Dave is beginning to sound as angry and frustrated as nc. I do hope the poor fellow doesn’t lose his mind like nc has. These socialist types, they are so delicate.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Now that made my day. Thanks for the laugh. Since so many people are turning their backs on Obama bin Laden, the intelligent thing to do, here is an artist, employed by Obama bin Laden, that has done the same thing.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12687/hope-nope-poster-artist-turns-back-obama/
            Good job by this average citizen. More people are waking up to this pretender and Indonesian citizen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The true Christian is the true citizen.”
            Theodore Roosevelt
            26th President of the U.S.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I see we have been looking in the mirror again. BTW, I’ve posted dozens of sources, but where are yours? Ooops! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • WTS/JAY

            I’m just worried about you, Dave, that’s all. You sound so angry and frustrated.

          • nc

            WTS, I am neither angry nor frustrated! I don’t hate you people! I pity you people! I am not here out of frustration! I am here as a hobby! Sometimes I play golf for fun! Sometimes I fish for fun! Sometimes I come here to argue with the insane for fun! Sometime I watch faux noise for fun! Sometimes I listen to Rush Limpaw for fun!
            What I hate are sand traps and hooks in my fingers!

  • Karolyn

    I hate Disqus! I’ve been trying to scroll down, and every time I click on “load more comments” it takes me back up the page and doesn’t load anything new.

    Also, earlier today I replied to a post, and it does not appear.

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      Yeah, it because Disqus hates your stupidity and your perversionism. .

      • Karolyn

        Thanks, Alondra. Best laugh I’ve had today! :-)

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Once again you just confirmed your stupidity.

          • Bob666

            Yo Porkenager,
            And we all think that you are a worn out old commie beast!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would consider Alondra’s experience with Communism to be valuable experience. Others, who are not so wise, disparage it.

          • Bob666

            Hello Dave,

            “Others, who are not so wise, disparage it”.

            I grew up knowing many soviet Jews who immigrated in the late 1960’s & 1970’s who might disagree with you on this character. My father also vetted many high ranking former communist who came over in the 1950’s and 1960’s and many remained in contact with our family as I grew up. Former Communist are like everyone else, there are good and bad among them.

            You might find something of value in her, but I personally find her to a caustic being who lacks moral or ethical substance. I would (if I were her) show more respect to those who built and sacrificed to secure the freedoms of a country that she enjoys without any investment on her part.

            You are entitled to your opinion Dave and I will respect it as such, but I believe that she is sub-human at best.

          • WTS/JAY

            If you two ever decided to love one another as passionately as you you hate one another, your relationship then would make even the god’s swoon with envy. :)

          • Bob666

            Yo Jay,
            excellent reply-LMAO.

          • WTS/JAY

            And yet, i received two thumbs down. Go figure! :)

          • Bob666

            Well Jay,
            I just voted you up. I have noticed that I will get voted down with in moments of when I make a post, yet she alleges that I stalk her? I have always believed that it was the little porker doing it and if you look -I already have two or three down votes.

            She is a motivated little propagandist.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Did you check your fever, my boy?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Thanks Dave.

            He is just SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH who can’t swallow that I am totally ignoring him. I became his sick obsession.. He is trolling not only me but all people who are supporting me and replying to my comments.

            This is not my first experience with this sick kind of harassment in my life. And all were here, in America. It’s a Mental illness. And the Psychiatry field in the U.S. is very weak.

            Psychiatry became industry. In the reality the majority cases of the “Psychiatric Mental Illness” aren’t “illness” at all. It’s rooted in the home, school and social behavioral education. Children do not receive proper
            behavioral education and training.

          • Bob666

            Yo Coo Coo,

            “Psychiatry became industry”

            It was also a method of control in the USSR and I am sure that you have an education in that area of manipulation since you claim to have “profiled” people.

            “He is trolling not only me but all people who are supporting me and replying to my comments”.

            Care to prove that? Let us remember the two times that you accused Karloyn and myself for posting to you under other names and you were set straight by Bob L. You claimed that you had proof of this????????

            You are nothing more than a caustic unappreciative thug that lacks respect or morals.

            And those are you good points

            Keep voting yourself up.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC

          • independent thinker

            Judging from the nature and wording of Bob’s posts I would say he is around 14-16 years old.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            No IT, you a little wrong. By my Intellectual table of the Psychology he is 8-12 years old. But his behavior is much worse. His Psycho is totally sick.

            Mentally he is Dullard = Idiot, which is a mentally deficient person.

            He suffers from the overwhelming mood disorder – MANIA. He has ALL symptoms of it.

            Thanks guys for your support and understending. He is just Sickeningly obsessed with me.

            But “He (Christ) that is in me is greater, than he (Satan) that is in the world.” (1Jn.4:4)

          • Bob666

            Now Now little Porker,

            “He suffers from the overwhelming mood disorder – MANIA. He has ALL symptoms of it”.

            From the 1971 USSR psychological manual?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC

          • Bob666

            Now Now, Little Sausage Patty,

            “his is not my first experience with this sick kind of harassment in my life. And all were here, in America”

            Here is a thought, could it be that just maybe you are could be the problem in how you treat people?

            Maybe your a bit narcissistic?

            “Yeah, it because Disqus hates your stupidity and your perversionism”

            Those are your words to Karolyn and she did not provoke you in any way. I generally ignore you until you attack Karolyn or post to me first. So keep playing the victim, your problem is; you can dish it out, but you can’t take it in return.

            Think about about it-if you have a lucid moment.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Oh, look, another deranged is yapping at a MOON.
            Are you overdosed again, davey?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Do not miss your appointment to the Psychiatrist.
            Just REMINDER.

          • Bob666

            thanks thinker,
            coming from you, that is an interesting comment.

          • nc

            NEWS FLASH! ALONDRA IS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME ONE’S ” proper behavioral education and training”! Reading her rants and raves Is certainly not going to advance that field of study!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH

          • Bob666

            Yo Hoof-master,

            “Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH”

            You need to vote yourself up a few more times and throw a couple of more down votes for me.

            Calling me “Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH” is the pot calling the kettle black.

            Now remember to vote me down again.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH

            P.S. For your sick Psycho: I do not read your demonic crapola.

          • Bob666

            Yo Baconator,

            ” I do not read your demonic crapola”.

            Yet you reply every time-you can’t even tell a lie with any skill!

            Now keep voting me down as you cry about being the victim.

            News Flash, the cold war is over-you lost!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Now Bob, I know I was raised believing “Better dead than red” thing, but since Alondra did live under that form of government, she could probably tell us things you can’t find in books or read on the internet. I could tell you things about Iraq and Afghanistan you may not know, due to serving in those 2 countries. I could probably tell you things about Korea you don’t know. My mother-in-law could tell you what it was like living under Japanese occupation. She told me more than I ever learned in books. Don’t knock her experiences. You wouldn’t want someone to knock yours, would you? Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden and the unconstitutional treaty John “Flip Flop” Kerry signed.
            http://www.communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/its-all-smoke-and-wiskey/2013/sep/26/un-arms-treaty-already-undone/#ixzz2g638S2ug
            http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/09/27/baby-bailout-white-house-send-millions-detroit/
            Another unconstitutional bailout at the expense of the taxpayers. What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “History is God’s providence in human affairs.”
            Daniel Webster
            American statesman
            “Defender of the Constitution”
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy,
            I don’t knock her experiences-I find her to be an immoral, ungrateful sort that lacks respect. You might buy the bible thumping, but I see it as nothing more than the desperate act of a conman & propagandist.

            Remember those post that were made to both of you under assumed names? She had proof that is was Karolyn and myself.

            At best, she is a nut-case, Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs!

            Your choice to accept her, not mine.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Thanks my dear friend. Do not waste your time on porqueria. It’s just sick obsession because I am ignoring this Insect.

            Tell me how is Sook Young? Did she come back?

        • Karolyn

          You do! You make me laugh! Does that bother you?

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      I’ve had problems on this site also, Karolyn. They are still working on it, so show a little patience. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • WTS/JAY

      Sometimes, Karolyn, into each life a little rain must fall.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Is this why all our insurance rates just went up 200 – 300%? Is this why more than 70% of the people don’t want it? So you support an unconstitutional program, due to the IRS being involed, makes people lazy (not self reliant and personally responsible), increased taxes by $1 trillion dollars (more burden for the taxpayers to support those who refuse to work), increases the government’s presence in our lives (against the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters)small, limited government)), increases the size of the welfare budget by $1 trillion dollars a year, raped medicare of $500 billion dollars which will never be returned, was forced through Congress by the libturds and progturds though the people opposed such legislation, “We have to pass it to see what’s inside it.”, etc? Sorry dude, but no real patriotic American would want this program. The only ones who want this monstrocity are the ones who are lazy, have a give me attitude, unpatriotic, could care less about the size of government, and want to shred our Constitution a little more. Sheesh! That sounds like you Dave. But alas! We know you are a traitor and not a patriot. Here is some news from Rand Paul.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/16632-rand-paul-offers-bill-to-block-feds-from-taking-obamacare-subsidies
    That’s OK, for we do not need this. Let’s just go strictly by the Constitution and the beliefs of our Christian founding fathers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
    “Whatever makes men good Christians makes them good citizens.”
    Daniel Webster
    American Statesman
    “Defender of the Constitution”
    Devout Christian

    • WTS/JAY

      I don’t think obamacare is about providing health-care as much as it is about bankrupting this country; although i think we are already there, bankrupt, that is.

    • WTS/JAY

      I don’t think obamacare is about providing health-care as much as it is about bankrupting this country; although i think we are already there, bankrupt, that is.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Here is an article about a libturd in Florida saying it is OK to hunt children in the State of Florida. Of course the libturd/progturd is a college official. Where do these people get their brains? From a box of Cracker Jack?
        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12679/legal-hunt-kill-american-children-florida-college-official-tells-students/
        I guess that Jeff H is right when he says you just can’t fix stupid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published.”
        Benjamin Rush
        Signer of the Declaration of Independence
        Surgeon General of the Continental Army
        Ratifier of the Constitution
        “Father of American Medicine”
        Treasurer of the U.S. Mint
        “Father of Public Schools under the Constitution”
        Devout Christian

  • WTS/JAY

    Dave: The biggest thing opponents of the bill have against it is the mandate. They claim that it forces people to buy insurance, and forcing people to buy something is unconstitutional.

    You should have stopped there, Dave.

    • independent thinker

      Auto insurance is a totally different thing. If you do not drive an automobile on public roadways you do not have to purchase auto insurance. Also, as far as I know auto insurance is only required by the states not the feds.

      • Dave

        And you don’t need to buy health insurance either… All you have to do is not breathe…simple.

    • WTS/JAY

      Dave: Yet strangely… When the gov tells you to buy auto insurance, conservatives do not try to shut down the gov, lie about it, make up bs about.

      Not having auto-insurance is not the same as not having health-insurance, Dave. How can someone who has no health-insurance be a liability, or put you at risk, Dave? You are mixing apples and oranges.

  • Palin16

    Good one, Ben Crystal! Loved Obummer’s copy of the Constitution with Karl M arx’s picture on it, lol!

  • Palin16

    Replying to yourself, Dave? You know what they say about people who talk to themselves.

  • rwm44

    Dave if obozocare is so great are you ready to be one of the first to get it

    • rwm44

      so you are saying you dont want obozocare

      • Dave

        No, I already have insurance.

        If you only read the bill…. But you would nit be a conservative kool-aid drinker if you did your own research.

        • rwm44

          have read your posts i know we can keep our insurance but if this is so great why dont you switch

          • rwm44

            nc or is this dave must be confusing using multiple names or is this how you get multiple checks from obozo if you could make more money you can move out of your moms basement .truth be told there are probable only 3 libs on this site with many names

          • rwm44

            my lunch break is over I unlike you need to get back to my job as i have people that need my services you still didnt reply to which name you are dave or nc

    • S.C.Murf

      That’s BS davie, even obama has come out and said he was wrong on keeping your coverage if you want. We have been told at work that if our insurer cannot meet all the rules at an affordable rate then no more coverage. You need to learn more and spout off less. Being a paid troll doesn’t make you right. TIME to make that popping sound troll

      up the hill
      airborne

    • Jana

      Not all will be as fortunate as you are Dave. Many employers are finding it way to expensive to keep insurance for their employees. Especially the smaller businesses. Even Hoffa the Union Boss has come out AGAINST this bill as well as other union bosses. Oh yes, it is in the news.

  • Glenn

    Any bill that requires 2800 pages, will be a disaster 100% of the time. No bill that requires billion dollar bribes to be passed, can ever be good for anyone other than crooks, which explains why the Democrats passed it.

  • Jana

    Well Dave, I thought you could read or at least pay attention to the news, as this has been all over the news how Congress has been exempted from this bill as well as their aids as they would lose half of their aids because they couldn’t afford it.

    I guess you aren’t as smart as you thought you were.
    “AS USUAL.” Your words.

    • Jana

      How about today’s Personal Liberty as taken from the Washington Times:

      Rand Paul Argues Democrats ‘Should Not Escape’ Pain Obamacare Will Cause Everyday Americans

      After Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) delivered his marathon talk last Tuesday to galvanize GOP opposition to Obamacare, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) published an opinion piece in The Washington Times, excoriating the hypocrisy of Congressional leaders who continue to support the Affordable Care Act while
      exempting themselves from its mandates.

      What should infuriate you the most is the fact that the same elected officials who implemented this mandate have recently declared themselves exempt
      from it. That is to say, these officials are forcing you to partake in something that they themselves are refusing. If Obamacare is so great, why then are federal employees and elected officials getting special treatment and opting out?

      If President Obama, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Harry Reid and Chief Justice Roberts love Obamacare so much, they should live under it.
      Their actions speak louder than words, and it is erroneous for these leaders to even attempt to claim that Obamacare is a step forward for Americans.

  • Palin16

    I love the way the very mention of Palin’s name makes the libtards get their panties all wet. That’s why I chose it. Go Sarah! run against Begich for senator in Alaska.

  • CORMAC___NJ

    The problem with comments is that useless leaches have all day to post their degenerate opinions, while productive citizens have to squeeze in time between work and family. It creates the illusion that far more people are liberals than really are. Just keep that in mind when you see so many commenters making vile and hateful (aka “progressive” posts).

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden Care.
      http://www.foxnews.com/2013/09/30/fact-check-obamacare-claims/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
      Samurai

  • Palin16

    Nope, it’s Cankles Clinton that sucks. Never accomplished anything without riding her husband’s coat tails.

  • vicki

    dave writes to Force Recon:
    “You and your conservative numbskulls….”

    Ad Hominem