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Obamacare Fireworks

July 4, 2012 by  


 
R. J. Matson, The St. Louis Post Dispatch

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  • Robert Smith

    Like the death pannels costs are extremely exagerated by the right.

    Rob

    • Vigilant

      Having trouble keeping your thoughts straight? Or just want to divert the conversation, Mr. Alinsky?

      It’s about the explosive increase in taxation that will occur with Obamacare.

      • Smilee

        The tax only applies to 1% of the population, you think that’s explosive??????????? Insurance companies will now have to reduce their overhead to 15% on group plans and 20% on individual plans. Now they are 25% to 40% (you know they no longer have to determine how to deny you coverage’s after the law takes effect), so , that’s large savings, medical providers will have their bankruptcy losses reduced by 90% and will now pay taxes on these savings instead of deducting them as losses. Premium increase are projected to be a lot less than we have had for the last 15 years ( I once had a 44% annual increase and several over 20%) this will no longer happen as the pools that they set their premiums on will be much larger and the largest pools have always gotten the best price. Many many reasons to believe this will reduce overall medical costs in the future. You focus on the cost increases only and not on the net cost which will definitively be reduced. I am convinced that you just do not understand what it is you speak of. This of course does not address the many improved benefits this law will insure that people definitely will come to like once they see them for themselves, that and reduced costs in the future will make this desirable to the vast majority and the republicans know that time as almost run out on them and if they do not gain control of whole congress and the presidency they do not stand a chance and even then probably not so much. Get over it!!

      • vicki

        Smilee says:
        “The tax only applies to 1% of the population,…”

        Which “the tax” would that be? There are at least 20 new taxes in ObamaTax.
        http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758

      • Michael J.

        Smilee,
        Another perfect example of the blind leading the blind down a rat hole.
        Thanks for the full spectrum, color illustration.

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        July 4, 2012 at 9:02 pm

        If your going to get your information from these conservative propaganda sites your never going to know the truth. Why does the Mayo Clinic says this is a very good start and they are noted for being amongst the best in the business. Also trying reading the bill then you will know for yourself if your intelligent enough to understand it. There is not twenty new taxes in this bill but I was referring to the insurance tax penalty in the 1% and that only one that effects the individual. This law will reduce our cost of medical care to the individual and as a whole, premiums are already going up at a smaller rate than they have in the past 15 years and predicted to rise at a much smaller amount in the future. The office charged with determining the overall costs based only on the law itself say it will save a trillion dollars over the next ten years, that a fact, the conservatives say it will raise the costs by that much giving them a 2 trillion dollar difference and that is based on their own prophesis not based on the law thus they are nothing more than propaganda numbers. The truth will set you free.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Better to believe that they will exist and not ever see them in practice, than to see them in practice and not believe that they exist.

    • Louis W Karp

      Like Pelosi says you’ve got to pass the bill to find out whats in apparently you haven’t

    • vicki

      Robert Smith says:
      “Like the death pannels costs are extremely exagerated by the right.”

      Ah so the liberal now admits there are death panels.

  • cawmun cents

    Hate his sentiments or not,Mr.Smith’s ideology is synonymous with many of those leading our nation right now.
    That fact will either change in November,or it wont,and then you will know our future.
    Many like Mr. Smith are content to leave God out of the picture,and will do so at every opportunity.They see humanity as rising above hate and contempt.Too bad they cannot see what fate they are storing up for themselves.It is truly a sad thing to see humans throw away the blessings that God has given them for human rules which never amount to anything but death and decay.
    Cheers!
    -CC.

  • Michael J.

    Let’s just hope that barry keeps on running away, far,far away.

  • Ol504Troop

    Here is a breakdown for those who haven’t read it:

    For those concerned with the damage this plan will do to business:
    Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this–the Internal Health Revenue Service?
    Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.
    PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.
    Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.
    Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.
    Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.
    Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.
    Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.
    Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it. Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.
    Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.
    Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.
    Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.
    Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.
    For those concerned with the inherent unfairness in this plan.
    PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.
    PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.
    Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.
    Pg 469 mandates “Community Based Home Medical Services” through non profits like ACORN. Happy yet that we elected a community organizer to the White House?
    For those afraid of healthcare rationing:
    PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.
    Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.
    PG 272, Sec. 1145 regulates the operation of certain types of cancer hospitals, again rationing the care of cancer patients.
    For those concerned with the costs of this plan:
    PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.
    Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.
    Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.
    PG 489, Sec 1308 force taxpayers to pay for Marriage & Family therapy under the public insurance plan.
    For those concerned with the damage this plan will do to the medical profession:
    Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.
    Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.
    Pg 241, line 6-8 mandates that all doctors receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.
    PG 253, line 10-18 allows the federal government to set the value of doctor’s time, professional judgment.
    PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!
    Page 280, Sec 1151 allows the government to penalize hospitals for what is deemed to be preventable readmissions. So instead of being sued for malpractice, the government will be the punitive body when mistakes are made.
    Pg 298, lines 9-11 mandates that if a doctor treats a patient during initial admission and that result in a re-admission, the doctor will be subject to federal penalties. Gee do you think that’s going to drive up the cost of malpractice?
    Pg 317, lines 13-20 will create prohibitions on ownership and investment in the health service industry for doctors.
    Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.
    pg 321, lines 2-13 allows hospitals apply for an exception to the expansion rule but they must seek community input first!
    Pg335, lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 mandates the establishment of outcome based health care and insidious idea that actually limits the treatment choices made by patients with their doctors, based upon the patient’s health and condition. This will result in the oldest, weakest and sickest patients being denied treatments simply because the statistics for success in their demographic category are poor! This is a form of health care rationing that will save money at the expense of seniors to help buy insurance for the uninsured, most of whom are young and healthy!
    Pg 341, lines 3-9 allows the government to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans and HMO forcing people into the government run public plan.
    For those concerned with violations of individual rights violations in this plan:
    Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.
    PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
    PG 268, Sec 1141 regulates the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
    Pg 379, Sec 1191 mandates the creation of even more bureaucracy in the Telehealth Advisory Committee.
    PG 425, lines 4-12 mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation,” another insidious vehicle to save money by encouraging seniors who are in poor health to be more accepting of death rather than fighting to stay alive and healthy and with their loved ones.
    Pg 425, lines 17-19 mandates that all senior patients will be consulted regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
    PG 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3 provides an approved list of end of life resources, to help guide seniors about the process of dying!
    PG 427, lines 15 mandates program for orders on the end of life, actually giving the government a say in how your life ends!
    Pg 429, lines 1-9 dictates the frequency with which an Advance Care Planning Consultant will have to meet with patients as their health deteriorates.
    PG 429, lines 10-12 give an Advance Care Planning Consultant the power to order end of life plans for a patient.
    Pg 354, Sec 1177 will arbitrarily restrict the enrollment of special needs children and adults.
    Pg 429, lines 13-25 will only allow certain doctors, not necessarily your own physician, to write an end of life order.
    PG 430, lines 11-15 allows the government to decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
    Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed to treat, again rationing this care.

    • Smilee

      I do not know where you got your information but you are just totally wrong on this, your post is almost pure rhetoric and very little fact. So you do not like the law, well now you have to get used to it. Only a dreamer actually thinks it is going to go away. Your probably one whom also believed that the law was not unconstitutional but you would have been wrong on that too. That’s a fact now.

      • vicki

        Smilee trips over double negatives by writing :

        “Your probably one whom also believed that the law was not unconstitutional but you would have been wrong on that too. That’s a fact now.”

        So it is a fact now that the law is unconstitutional? Nice. Too bad you are not one of the judges on the Supreme Court.

      • Vigilant

        Ol504Troop provides line by line FACTS and smilee dismisses it all with “your post is almost pure rhetoric and very little fact.”

        No, smilee, it’s precisely the opposite. Your posts are pure rhetoric. Try tackling the line by line facts presented rather than taking the typcal leftist tack of “I don’t care what the facts say, I will continue to believe what I believe.”

        What a “maroon!”

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        July 4, 2012 at 9:16 pm

        In case you have not been paying attention the court did find the law Constitution, THAT IS A VERY TRUE FACT WHICH YOU CANNOT DISPUTE!!

      • Smilee

        Vigilant says:
        July 5, 2012 at 8:10 am
        Ol504Troop provides line by line FACTS and smilee dismisses it all with “your post is almost pure rhetoric and very little fact.”

        No, smilee, it’s precisely the opposite. Your posts are pure rhetoric. Try tackling the line by line facts presented rather than taking the typcal leftist tack of “I don’t care what the facts say, I will continue to believe what I believe.”

        What a “maroon!”
        __________________________________________
        Go and read the law and then you will know for yourself that his post was pure rhetoric and not fact, that can be proven to an open mind that seeks the truth. WHAT IS TELLING ABOUT YOU IS YOUR QUOTE “I don’t care what the facts say, I will continue to believe what I believe.” Biased and/or ignorant people think this way and it reveals a lot about you.

    • Robert Smith

      “Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.”

      Pointing out the “logoc” (not) of arguments from the extreme right…

      A government committee… How is that worse than a greedy insurance company that must make prophets and supports a high lifestyle for there extremely highly paid executives for exporting American jobs to India?

      Would you rather have an American discuss your health care with your doctor or some exporded hired gun reading from a book designed to limit expenses?

      Rob

      • vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “A government committee… How is that worse than a greedy insurance company that must make prophets….”

        That you don’t understand competition (what insurance companies have to deal with) and believe that people who can legally force you at gunpoint to do it their way is somehow better, has been quite obvious for a long time Robert.

      • Michael J.

        Vicki,
        Pageanism lost the “competition” with Christianity long ago, and is one of the reasons why Robert Smith loathes the practice of having to compete.

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        July 4, 2012 at 9:19 pm

        I dealt with health insurance companies for 40 years and I can say with certainty your post reveals you totally do not understand the health insurance business

    • s c

      O1504, thanks for trying. What you must realize is that smurfee can’t read, he bought his way out of grade school, he votes via his emotions [thinking is forbidden], he probably can’t find his way to or from a bathroom, he’s been pampered for all of his miserable life and much like Queen Nancy #&*@+=, he lets others do his reading for him.
      A paragon of virtue he AIN’T. An icon for non-thinkers, perhaps. He’s a self-made loser who worships certified losers like Hitler, Stalin and Mao. If you look for him in that utopian Big Tent, he’s the one who expects everyone to love his oral flatulence. There’s a rumor going around that he thinks bed-wetting is an art form. What a piece of work.

  • http://northierthanthou.wordpress.com danielwalldammit

    Yep, should have gone with single-payer instead of this conservative claptrap that we have now.

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