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Obama to Abandon the Dollar?

August 5, 2009 by  

Obama to Abandon the Dollar?

There is a growing movement in the international community for a new reserve currency system that would greatly diminish the role of the U.S. dollar.

China and Russia have been the loudest and most insistent anti-dollar agitators so far, but they’ve recently been joined by the rest of the “BRIC” gang (India and Brazil), while France and other European nations have also begun carping about the dollar’s dominance.

While acknowledging that such chatter can be bearish for the dollar (and therefore bullish for gold), I’ve dismissed the likelihood that the dollar will ever be deposed as the king of fiat currencies.

Now I’m not so sure. You see, there are many advantages that come along with having your national currency serve as the international medium of exchange. Primary among these is the ability to export many of your economic problems to other regimes. So it’s a good and desirable position to be in.

For this reason, throughout human history, the role of international reserve currency has naturally devolved to the dominant military power of the age.

During the Roman Empire, the visage of Julius Caesar could be found on coins circulated throughout the Western world. When England ruled the seas during the Victorian era, the pound was the standard-bearer for all the world’s currencies.

And after America grew to become the world’s most powerful nation in both military and economic terms in the first half of the 20th Century, the U.S. dollar became the top dog among the world’s fiat currencies.

It wasn’t easy to attain this lofty status. The price was dear in terms of treasure and blood. But at this point, with no other military superpower extant, it’s not that difficult of a position to maintain. All that’s needed is to maintain the current level of military might and reasonable economic growth.

In other words, given our current status, it would be very difficult to lose our role as the world’s economic bell cow. If it were to happen, history would judge the event as one of the greatest economic and political failures since the dawn of human civilization.

Frankly, the only way this could happen would be if we allowed it to happen. Which is why I’m worried now.

When you consider that President Barack Obama has traveled to Russia with an armful of concessions, eager to negotiate on equal terms with this second-tier nation, then you begin to think that perhaps he doesn’t understand America’s position in the world.

When you consider that he has already toured Europe’s capitals apologizing for our previous arrogance—and is pushing through “green” legislation that will unfairly burden our economy for no real gain in global carbon emissions and is generally trying his best to make sure our overseas friends and enemies like us—then you begin to wonder if Obama really wants America to keep its mantle of leadership.

Given all this, it seems at least plausible to me that, if presented with some new global reserve scheme with roles for the world’s major trading currencies, that the Obama administration might acquiesce in the interests of “fairness” or “justice.”

Remember, Secretary Timothy Geithner has already been guilty of a slip of the tongue along these lines.

Such a development would be an absolute travesty—a complete abandonment of duty to America’s best interests. And I’d have to judge it, still, as being highly improbable.

But it is more possible now than at any time since the dollar first achieved its lofty status as the king of fiat currencies. And that should worry us greatly.

Brien Lundin

is the editor and publisher of Gold Newsletter, a publication that has ranked among the world's leading precious metals and resource stock advisories since 1971. To learn more about Gold Newsletter, visit www.goldnewsletter.com. Mr. Lundin is also the host of the famed New Orleans Investment Conference, the world's oldest and most respected gold investment event. To learn more, visit www.neworleansconference.com.

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  • Cathy Lowry

    I believe Barack Obama has his own agenda to fulfill a higher calling — that of global leader. That’s why he has gone around the world apologizing for America. Henry Kissinger stated that Obama is being primed to usher in the “New World Order” that will have a one-world dictator and a one-world currency. That new world order will likely be the EU. For Obama to assume a global leadership position, he must first prove himself to the world that he is a socialist. He is attempting to do just that through his distribution of wealth philosophy, the stimulus, nationalization of banks, government take-over of General Motors, and now socialized healthcare, which will ultimately bankrupt this country. If he succeeds with healthcare “reform”, his next step will be to abandon Israel and align himself with Muslim nations. In his own words from his book, The Audicity of Hope, he states, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Once that is accomplished, he is
    then free to assume his sought-after position of global leader. Pray you won’t be here to see it happen.

    • elvi

      You are so right! This man has to be stopped and his blind follower waken up. He is trying to dazzle people throwing money at them with the money for clunkers and other programs that are going to be payed by all of us later on. Taxes are going to be raised although during his campaign ” he promised ” he wouldn’t , but what are Mr Obamas promises but lies disguised as gifts that aren’t. He is already talking about raising taxes and already putting the bandage before the wound , he can’t help it we are bankrupt, we are in a resection and he is making it worse. Spending money the country doesn’t have and selling us to China. That is the truth!
      People do not follow the piper he will drag you into the hole that you will never get out of. Wake up, step up and smarten up!!! Not even God can help us now, especially when the devil is in charge.

      • joanppgreen

        Sorry to disagree with your last sentence…..(“Not even God can help us now, expecially when the devil is in charge”)…….Hey there, Hi there…….I will continue to say this, and LOUDLY……”WITH GOD, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!” HE IS MUCH GREATER THAN O’BAMA…….MUCH GREATER THAN THE DEVIL…..AND……HE WILL TRIUMPH OVER ALL EVIL…..

        • ritababe2

          Read the end of the book. It’s all in there and you are watching it happen right before your eyes. I believe BO is seeking world leadership and that he truly is a “closet muslim” with the charisma described in the Bible which has caused many Americans to be blinded. He may be personable, but why didn’t Americans look beyond the speeches? Blindness is the only answer.

        • Judy

          Thank you for holding ground for Christians. Through God, ALL things are possible. In these times we must hold tight to what we know to be the truth.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thank you. Some dont know the truth, because they didnt read Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, also known as B.I.B.L.E..

          • http://jtwardmo@yahoo.com JJWJ

            Thank you for your comment on our needing to follow Basic Instructions ( the Bible ).

            Note: God said that we are to “Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth.” One woman who I only spoke with one time and who I learned was engaged told me: “I will NEVER have any children!! … Would you just look at this society today? I would never forgive myself if I brought a child into this world.” While I would never enter a marriage at any time with this attitude, her comment was somewhat understandable in 1981 with how our society has fallen since 1960.

        • sabra

          strong textAMEN !!!!

        • Ifu

          Amen!! God is our only hope.

        • Mike D.

          But Gods work must be our own.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We are the body, so why arent our hands healing, why arent our words speaking, why arent our feet moving? We are His hands and feet on this earth. We are to be his earthly helpers. He doesnt need us to accomplish His work, but he wants us to step us and follow Jesus’s lead and serve man.

        • joanppgreen

          To Mike D. Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
          [ But Gods work must be our own. ]

          Michael…..this is the way it works…..WE do all we possibly can to correct the errors of mankind, as peaceably as we are allowed, then we let go, and let God finish what He desires to finish. When the “time” is right, He will make all things new….. our bodies, our planet, our way of living……it will be at that time when the Lion and the Lamb will lie down together…….there WILL be “Peace” eventually. I speak truth when I say…..HE is on His way at this time…….

          • The Devils Most hated enemy

            No it is not left up to us to “Do what we can and let God take care of the rest.” By the Power of the Most High we are able to change the world, our faith gives us power to overthrow every satanic stronghold.
            He has sent us forth as witnesses to the whole earth, this is our duty and a part of Gods will.
            But the most important part of Gods will is that we believe on his son Jesus Christ and come into communion with The almigty yet patient and loving Father, who wants to have a relationship with us, and communicate his word, empowering us by the Spirit, to be his beloved Children. Start at the first stage and say, Lord , My God, forgive me of my sins, cleanse me in the precious blood of Jesus Christ, and deliver me from the Darkness of evil onto the CGlorious light of your love .

        • John the Carpenter

          You folks talk about God, Christians and the B.I.B.L.E. a lot here. Perhaps if you actually READ the book you are referring to you’d have a better understanding of what you THINK you are saying.

          “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also…No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.” -Matt. 6:19-24

          In other words, if you are using God and Christianity to back your arguments against Obama and our government, you got it ALL wrong, and are basically either a hypocrite or just plain uneducated as a Christian or as an American.

          • http://jtwardmo@yahoo.com JJWJ

            Dear John the Carpenter,

            Note: I only read a website with your comment to Mark (with the original article titled “Obama to Abandon the Dollar”) on this day.

            Your writing of Matthew 6:19-24 (King James Version) is correct. Certainly, gaining eternal life is more important than exactly what happens in our current life.
            However, to imply that real Christians (which does not include those who simply claim to be among them) are hypocrites if they are concerned about this life, is something I do not understand.
            1) Are you saying that Christians should hope to die early and leave this world?
            2) Are you saying that Christian women who become pregnant should have abortions to send the lives in their wombs directly to heaven and keep those lives from having to live in this world?
            3) Are you saying that Christians should not donate to charities to help people needing food or clothing? (Certainly, those who are not conservative donate far less that those who are conservative. I do not have a review replacing “conservative” with “Christian”.)
            4) Are you saying that Christians should not care how the government is operating, whether their children are offered a quality education, if someone steals from them (due to forgiveness), etc.?
            If you are saying any of these four statements, then you do not understand the Holy Bible.

            Why did Jesus the Messiah heal anyone while on this earth prior to accepting His Father’s will to die on the cross for you and for everyone else? Do you believe that, if Jesus loved everyone, then Jesus would not have healed anyone to make their lives shorter?

            Medical doctors, pharmacists, nurses. policemen, security officers and lots of other people have the saving of lives as one of their main jobs. Does this mean they are all not Christian?

            Finally, Barack Obama claimed to be a “devout Christian”. If he had stated that he was agnostic, he only attended the church that was questioned for twenty years because he wanted to socialize with others and he thought it would be healthy for his two girls to listen to that pastor who used profanity, that would make more sense then to claim to be a “devout Christian”.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          He allready has triumphed. When he took the nails for us, and died on that cross, and descended into hell and wrested the keys of death from Satan, and Satan allready knows he is defeated, so its his job to decieve and take with him as many as he can. Its pre-determined, Satan is going down for the long count.

        • Alan

          It’s biblical for the world to go to “hell” in a handbag. Don’t worry about it. God is not going to protect the USA anymore then he is going to protect Israel. It is the end times and things will get worse until his second coming. That is what you need to worry about….

        • Larry Fisher

          I am sorry Joann but people like you that have this belief are the biggest part of the problem. God, whom I believe in, is not about to rescue us as he has never rescued anyone in the past. People keep praying and nothing happens so get over your faith crap and get into the real world. People die everyday and thousands have been praying for them so it is a sham. We are the ones who must fight for ourselves against the devil.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I have to differ with you. God has never rescued anyone in the past? I do believe that when the Egyptians were bearing down on Moses and his people, that God rescued them by parting the Red Sea for them to cross. I do believe that Paul was falsely imprisoned, and God rescued him by making the guards fall asleep and opening the cell door. I do believe that Paul was on a ship destined to sink, and God rescued him by washing them all up on a beach. I do believe, that when Jesus walked on the water, and called Peter out of the boat, and he walked then started to sink, that Jesus reached his hand out and rescued him from drowning. There are many, many other times God has rescued his people, and the biggest one of all, when he sent Jesus to die on the cross, to rescue us from a permanent death, and built a bridge to Himself for us to cross. So you are in error to say God never rescued anyone. I know this for a fact, because He rescued me from the hell I was living in for 40 years. Now I can truly say life is good. So God does rescue us, but if you dont believe, well, thats on you, and good luck with that. He will only rescue you if you call upon Him. He wont force Himself on you. All youve got to do is call. Or you can sit there and complain. The ball is yours. What you going to do with it?

        • country

          Amen. I don’t just think, I believe bama is a muslim and is part of revelations coming true. People better wake up. God gave us, Blessed us with this great nation, and in a blink of an eye, can take it. Look how fast he gave Isreal back there nation.

      • http://aol Don

        Did you support the war with Iraq? China loaned us about a trillion dollars during the war. If you thought that war was necessary, you should be thanking China, because one trillion was about the cost of that war.

        • joanppgreen

          Donald……I donot support murder….and that is what War is. Governments, under the direction of an elite group manipulate the heads of state, and countries, due to greed and power. Men, women, and children are but pawns in their power play……All of us are ladened with propaganda from those governing our individual countries…..the eventual outcome is “slaughter” in the name of patriotism.

      • veronique

        Cathy , I agree with you this guy OB have his own agenda but i think there are bunch of groupd evil people behind close door , if you watch the documentary call ” ENDGAME ” one word , that is a wake up call for the American’s because they kept us in the dark . so I am highly recomend to wtach that .
        However about the currency , our US dollars don’t worth much it is just a paper if you think about it , and you know what they are going to do , they will combine US, Mexico, and Canada to one currrency just like in Europe , they all use the Euro …remember that??

        • http://aol Don

          Don’t worry about this. Our government wants to keep printing the dollar so they can pay some bills. They will fight tooth and nail to keep the dollar. Every administration had the printing press work overtime.

      • tom

        what people dont think about is that GOD has the man in place to bring forth his end time plans.

        • http://aol Don

          Don’t miss the second coming. Most of the people on this blog thinks it is Russ Limbaugh, because they are parroting what he has said.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No, thats not true. We do know though that Rush speaks the truth for Him. That much is evident.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Now there is a candidate Id vote for, no doubt. I for one appreciate the truth, and those not afraid to speak it.

      • Deb W.

        Elvi: You are so right! What the heck is it going to take to get the AMERICAN CITIZENS to see what is happening? Government takeovers thus far: Banks, Auto Industry, Trying to bankrupt small business, and the most important today is OBAMACARE. Does anyone else not see that our President wants nothing more than CONTROL THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS OF AMERICA. Watch out for the newly CONFIRMED CZAR (AKA ADVISOR) CASS SUNSTEIN. ‘Ya know: the Regulatory Czar; who’s writing policy within the SECRECY SHADOW GOVERNMENT, right outside the OVAL OFFICE : 1) Wants to give legal rights to pets to sue us! 2) Wants to BAN HUNTING (and more than likely dissolve the Constitutional Rights to Bear Arms (to protect ourselves and our property). No one knows what they’re doing (the Czars) because they only answer to the President. They don’t have to get approval from Congress or the American Citizens. You’ve got it right Elvi

    • Earlw

      Isn’t the “world leader” also known as the Antichrist? This dude ought to be removed from office based on his Muslim statement alone as unfit for office! I also recall, awhile back on rense.com an article about Obama’s being selected for his position and being trained for it back as far as ’92. The story was related by the wife of a Russian business owner. He, not being a commie, trued to shut his commie wife up when she started going on about Obama’s being selected to be president, however, she wasn’t having any of that. She said ” you(America) are going to have a black president! His name is Barack. Yes, a chocolate baby! (Her words). she then rattled on about what he would do,etc. and the article ended. What more does any one need? This guy is obviously a hand-picked shill for Big banking and the NWO. Ive been following American degradation for about 30 years now, and the pattern is pretty clear for anyone who still has a pulse. Wake up, America!!!!!!!!

      • thomas

        i to bring in the new world order and that they planned on him not making it through another term . and the one that comes after him will be the one to control the world., even nostradomice says there will be one more pope that then the anti crist will start and no im not saying the pope is anticrist., everything is almost set to control us , really theyve controlled us all our lives, weve been programed since elementary school and now mainly by tv ., if he makes a deal with isreal we have 2 and a half yrs till its broke. and also, the devil entered the church along time ago, to decieve us., u cant be saved by walking down the isle and saying please forgive me, we cant do anything, only he can.,and the church doesnt read the bible from original greek. go to Grace and truth.net and ull see the truth. wake up! paul and them preached to the churches because they were being misled . thats what were supposed to be doing, waking up the church to all the lies. and we will die bercause opf it. God blessobama was put in office to complete their agenda

    • http://aol Don

      Do you think Obama’s new world order is the same as Nixon’s new world order? Republicans love to use the phrase new world order. Actually the phrase came out of religion, maybe that is why. I feel socialism is better than protecting just the 5% of the people and screw everyone else. Our mental health is the worst in the world because we have the largest gap between the rich and the middle class.

      • David

        If that is your true feeling, then please feel free to go to where the health care is so much better. I am sure that Castro would love to have you come there to be used as a center piece for their great health care system. Of course you could go to England, they speak English or Canada which is just across the border, just watch out that you don’t get run over by the people from there who can afford to come here for our “worst in the world” health care.

        Of course those in the middle class on Medicare are also getting the “worst in the world” coverage too. Please take the time to ask some of us what we feel about being on the “worst in the world” health care coverage.

        • http://aol Don

          20,000 people died last year, because of lack of health coverage. More is predicted to die each year if it is not corrected. There is a problem with health care. As of now I’m healthy, but I feel bad about people who need health care. Everyday I read about people losing their health care. I would like to give them your advice and tell them to leave the country for better health care, but they are dead.

        • joanppgreen

          Honey Chicken…..sooner or later “all people” will have to take personal responsibility for their own healthcare…their own financial situations, and struggle to suvive………..(sad, but true)…….under the present administrations whimsical bailouts and fanatic spending spree of the U.S. citizens $$$$$$…..

          • thomas

            be careful concentrating on health care, i know its important but u should also be worried about what theyre doing while they have everyone concentrating on this. remember the zars? think about what theyre doing behind the scenes while everyones paying attention to health care, knowing damnwell everyone would be upset. think about it! theyve already taken most of our rights away, we didnt ask for overhaul of healthcare they just started it. what are they doing behind the curtain while our attention is somewhere else? they are going to do what they want. i say take over congress and fire the whole damn bunch and yes i mean by force, theres not much time left. but we should also remember to awaken the church about the lies weve come to believe. go to grace and truth.net. and learn what were really supposed to be doing. the devil has been at work to decieve the elect {us} for along time. also go to prison planet.com

        • jimster

          Just a reminder. If the government health care plan was passed today it would not take effect until 2013. If it so necessary to revamp the health care system to save uninsured people why is it set to take place in the future?

        • Smilee

          David Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 10:58 am

          You know nothing of Medicare, it is now the best plans in this country, I an lower middle class and went on Medicare in 06 and before that I had what was called the Cadillac HMO for the previous 20 years, Now I can go where I want for health care, pay nothing but the premiums and they are half what my HMO was and am not limited to network doctors, now I can go to Mayo if I want. Oh by the way it is government run (has been since 1965) and similar to Canada’s. Why would we want to go to any other country when we can reform the health care in this country to again be the best. You will see it will be done, there is now the will to do it. Those of us that are old enough remember what good affordable health in this country was before the private sector third party payers decided to rape your pocketbook and thus forcing the government to pick up the tab for those who could no longer afford it. In fact I can remember when it was so affordable most did not feel it necessary to even have insurance, if you did encounter a major medical problem a simple loan from your bank would do it. In 1946 my mom spend a month in the hospital in Rochester MN after having very major surgery and we did not have insurance, the loan to pay for it was paid back by 1952. You see we do know how to do it, if we will not tolerate greed in the system, health care delivery in this country has become about making money the easy way and not health care itself. Last year about 8000 patients from all other countries came to the Mayo Clinic, hardly a rush considering the billions in the world today and do not forget many in this country go to other countries for health care and surgery, ever some insurance companies will pay for it as it is so much cheaper. I even know some who went to Canada for health care services because of the cost and they where very satisfied with it. Doesn’t it raise the question of why is the US and New Zealand the only two countries that still have a private for profit health care system among the developed countries of the world and also the most expensive and no longer the best. Outcomes for 36 countries are now better than the US, three different independent studies have found, all three found the same result on this.

        • Ron

          If this new health care system is going to be so great, then why aren’t all the politicians in Washington jumping on it. Instead they have there own health care system and you can bet your last dollar that they won’t drop their’s for the new plan.
          They have their own retirement plan and you can bet it is a lot better than S.S. But guess who gets to pay for it. The same poor workingman that pays for their wonderful

      • HW Baker

        I pitty you for your lack of inteligence. If socialism is what you losers are looking for, then get out of our great country and move to many other parts of the world where your dreams can come true! And why your at it, take Obama and all his clowns with you.

        • http://aol Don

          Sounds like you hate 95% of Americans, so why don’t you leave.

        • Tritonal

          Ol’ Donnie boy has his lungs full of kook-aid. He listens to the drivel of moonbats who say that 95% of Americans have sipped from Satan’s Chalice, too. Wrong. Drink your fill, and hope it fills your belly because the ride that passing the “go” line if this crap called America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. It’s affordable to everyone but the individual Citizen. At every instance where you see the word: Government, subsitute “YOU”…you fund the government. It’s your money that they take in payroll withholding and dole out to every logical or looney program signed into law. Dwight Eisenhower said, “If you want total security, go to prison.” With socialism, and worse, coming out of Washington these days, that’s the intent. Imprisoned by your wonderful government, need-based benevolence. Don wants to be a willing sheep, content with having his choices made for him, he’s lazy, he wants everything for nothing–except his sovereignty. He’ll trade everything to get mediocre at best, and be happy as a bottom feeder. Stand at the government trough, and forget that you once were among Patriots.

        • 13th Gen. American

          What fantasy lala America does he live in? 95 % of Americans agree with him? I knew the libs were friggin wackjobs and delusional and anti American etc, etc,but now they are just down right retarded to think that 95%……..OH ya he is right. 95% of the illegals want all that free shit they are talking about. OH sorry my bad.

        • DaveH

          Wow Don,
          I think you have proven HW to be correct. “Sounds like you hate 95% of Americans”. That is a completely out of context and ignorant statement.

        • Smilee

          HW Baker Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 11:08 am

          Tsk! Tsk! conservatives solutions to all our problems is always to get rid of all those with whom you do not agree with. Look what they have done to the republican party. That is why you are becoming more and more of a minority in this country today, you see that narrow mindedness never will work in this country for long as the majority will not take your kind of abuse for too long.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Conservatism is the only thing that can save this country. Socialism will be its downfall, and liberalism with all its tolerance for this and tolerance for that, lives in that gray area where everything is ok, just do it. Ive read God’s word in the Bible, and studied it pretty thoroughly, and Im sure that God doesnt want us to go and do anything we want because “it feels good”. Im pretty darn sure God doesnt smile when he sees a man sleep with a man. Im pretty sure God doesnt smile when a muslim straps a bomb on his 8 year old daughters back and has her walk onto a bus and detonates it killing her and many others. His reward system and His tolerance is what matters, but we men see ourselves so smart, we change and adjust His rules to fit our sinful and selfish needs and ways. Then we press all of society to bow down to that. Im 100 percent sure God doesnt smile about this either. Liberals all think this way, that this is good. Conservatives take an approach that is more along God’s ways of thinking, and denounce this behavior and thought pattern. So, in following what God says in the Bible, then conservatism is the only chance we have. Liberalism is the way of death, as it is written, “there is a way to a man that seems right, and it is the way of death, so says the Lord”. I didnt say it, He did. So I believe Him, and apparantely so do the conservatives, but the liberals dont. And they kill babies to boot. Shame on them.

        • http://aol Don

          You don’t pitty me because your emotions are filled with hate leaving no room for other emotions such as pitty. You have no empathy.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thank you, finally a voice of intelligence and education. Any of these left wing liberal pacifist appeasing pants wetting little girlie men democrats that want socialism, need to move out of our fine country. Socialism doesnt work, and has failed miserable everywhere it has been practiced. I myself prefer capitalism where one can advance and better himself on his merits, or sink for lack of them. However, now it seems that we have those in government that reward failure, ie GM, Chrysler with billions of dollars, and then want to tax more those who are proving they know how to run a business. They have it all backwards. Those that are successful are expanding and hiring more people, who all pay taxes and purchase things generating more tax revenue, along with keeping other business alive by buying their products. They should be rewarded with paying less tax, so they may have money in their hands to continue to expand and hire more people. But instead our government punishes them for success. Then I see business like GM and Chrysler, who are full of lazy union workers who dont give a crap, and also full of greedy corporates on the management side, and all they do is fight over getting more money, and neither side has shown competant means of running a business or productive work, yet they get rewarded with billions of dollars. Its all wrong. If Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and Hyundai dont need bailed out, and Ford also, why do these guys? Let them close, and let someone else that can competantly run a business take over. Bad greedy management and bad union contracts is not a reason to collect billions of tax dollars. Not at all.

      • Cathy Lowry

        We’ve all studied socialist/communist/marxist countries with history showing these
        countries are inundated with troubled economies, repressed freedoms, and huge social problems. When a government redistributes individual wealth, it destroys personal incentive — to work, earn and excel. Socialized economies leave people with an entitlement mentality, dependent on the government to provide everything for them. For a country’s economy to remain healthy and thriving, we need private individuals to start businesses and employ people. It’s a small majority of people who are entrepreneurs who may become wealthy and seen as the “haves” vs. the “have-nots.” But aren’t they the ones creating jobs for the rest of us, taking all the financial risk? We all have equal opportunity in this country to better ourselves, to get a good education, to earn a good living. It becomes our individual responsibility to make it happen, not the government’s responsibility to give it to us.

        attain these things, not the govt’s responsibility to give us these things.
        It becomes the individual’s responsibility,

        • http://pandabeads.com Michelle Richardson

          This country is looking more like a fascist nation where big government partners with corporations to push out the small business and to move an agenda dictated by the leader. It happened in Nazi Germany and now the same things are unfolding in America. History repeats itself because people never believe this can happen in America. It happens all over the world and once the progressive movement took hold 80 years ago they slowly chipped away at the freedoms we all have enjoyed. Citizens have to live my a moral standard mandated by the administration at the time. A large group of people are disenfranchised and as times go on people become more and more angry until finally anarchy occurs and a dictatorship occurs. We are no nor have ever been a democracy and our individual freedoms should be protected above all. But our schools and politicians keep telling us that we are democracy and the majority rules. Our framers were deathly afraid of a democracy because they knew the disenfranchised would like to the end of the country. We are at a turning point now. We either reestablish the constitution and protect the rights of the individual, or we allow the progressives to develop this fascist nation into total tyranny. It is up to you Americans.

        • http://aol Don

          I’m all for “improving” oneself, but one needs to be on some what of a fair playing ground. I’m white and I hear other white people saying negative things about other races. They will not give another person a job because of their race. There are 3 evils of the world: communism, racism, and greed. Two of these are alive and well in our country. As of now, our government is needed even though they never run anything very well, but they are much better than the greedy corporations. We need regulations or you will see a continuation of the past 8 months. Then, government can step out of it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im white too Don, and you know, right out of high school, I applied to 15 different business’s, and everyone looked me in the eye and said they couldnt hire me because I was WHITE. Yeah, affirmative action. Made it OK to be prejudice, but only towards white people. Ever heard of any law like this against people of color? Not going back to the archaic days? So I joined the military, learned a trade, and have been working non stop for 30 years since then. No unemployment, no food stamps, no governement assistance. I could have easily stood there and said the man was keeping me down, and society was against me because of my color, and it truly was, but I overcame, and I strongly suggest that those who are raised up indoctrinated that a certain color of person is out to get them, and that they will never achieve nothing because of their color, need to look around and see that a black man has rose to the highest level of achievement in the land, and there is no excuse why they cant. Throw all this prejudice baloney aside, and quit installing in peoples minds that they are “held down by the man” because of their color. I was, and if I can overcome it, anyone can. Excuses are a dime a dozen, and the victim is such an easy game to play. But its for losers.

        • Earlw

          Sounds like Don is both somewhat ignorant of history, statistics, and the fact that in polls, MOST of those DIDN’T want Obama-style health care. In a worst case scenario, most poor people use the ER anyway. Under the Hill-Burton act, no one can be turned away. Witness the Illegal aliens who do so on a daily basis, and even shoulder aside some American patients! Methinks Don is a bleeding heart liberal who like to spend [ other people's money ]. In the past, these people used to use the “charity ward” of hospitals. These new health care initiatives will destroy the quality of health care and cost Taxpayers a bundle. there aren’t enhough “rich” people to make a difference with taxes! Finally, why not try a regimen of PREVENTATIVE CARE AND NUTRITION EDUCATION benefits…Might increase the health of people and save lots of H/C money in the bargain……………….Hmmmm?

          Oh, by the way, I exist on social security, Not rich at all.

        • http://PersonalLiberityDigest Arkey

          Cathy, You are so right. lets all show up in the town meets that are trying to sell BIG GOVERNMENT to all of us. You dont have to be rude or loud, but ask pointed questions.

          • thomas

            next they will force people to buy healthcare or be fined. its just another way the pharmicutical companys make alot of money. im on disability and medicare and medicaide and my healthcare hase been fine. i think they should just fix the fraud thats out there yes by the doctors mostly, instead of tearing the whole thing to shreds. and also get the illegals off of it. we should also quit wnanting things like new cars and fine things and get back to what God wants. grace and truth.net

        • Smilee

          Cathy Lowry Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 11:12 am

          We have tried your way for the last thirty years why then is not our economy healthy and thriving today, you act as it is so great, conservatism has been at its height the last thirty years in this country and look where our thriving economy ended up last fall. People are now looking for something different and it will happen and the world you fear is only in your mind and will not become reality.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We thrived under Reagan, and Clinton screwed it all up, which caught up to him his last 3 years. We still havent fully recovered from Clintons recession, and now Osama Obama is making it 10 times worse, after Mr. Bush had us on the right road.

        • Smilee

          Earlw Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

          If your such a good conservative where are your other pensions and investment incomes that conservative claim we all should all have and if we don’t they think you are a bum. SS was never suppose to make you rich, sounds like you might think it should, that’s not hardly a conservative thing is it??

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          In response to Don’s comment on racism being alive and well, which I take is one of the two he cited. Im white also. Out of high school, I applied the next day at 15 different business’s. Everyone of them looked me in the eye and told me they could not hire me because I was white. Fact. I joined the military and learned a trade and have worked since. However, I see this reverse racism everywhere, and its tolerated and I hate it. The NBA is 90 percent black, and you know what, those guys deserve those jobs because they are the best. However, they claim racism that there arent more blacks in management, and they want those jobs too. Ok, so lets assume that we need to get more blacks in management to even up some sort of percentage of blacks in NBA management, even though the guys in there now are deserving. Dont we then, if we are going to do this, even up the percentage of white players? And if so, dont we net to allot spots for hispanic and other races also? Why does this not work both ways? The NFL is going the same route. I do not hold anything against the black athelete, but I do hold it against society when there is the constant push that everything needs to be black. Why cant the best guy get the job, regardless of their color? Why does this ratio thing exist on the one hand, where they point out how few upper management people are black, but then there is no call for how few white players there are. Isnt that racist also? But for someone other than a black to call that out, then they would be called a racist and would lose their job. Yet a black player making millions of dollars, can come out and say the NBA is racist because they dont have more blacks in upper management. Does anyone see what Im saying? This is the very sort of thing that makes racism alive and well, and while it seems it is always pointed out that blacks are the victims of racism, I cant help but see it the other way, that racism is perpetuated on the white man, and it is tolerated because of what some dumb racist white people did 100 years ago. How long is the payback period? How long will guys like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson make bukoo bucks stirring up racial tensions? If we are going to ever stop racism, there needs to be charges leveled both ways, not just one way. Payback is not the solution, as I and other whites should not be made victims because I didnt do anything to anybody, and anybody who had something done to them are not around today, and either are those who did it. Cant we move ahead, and quit living in the past? Or are we headed towards a day, when in school we can have “White American’s Week”. Or the NAAWP, or the White College Fund, or the WET TV network. Is that what we are going for, and we will be allowed to have these things? That is the question.

      • Brian

        Don,
        your remarks are ignorant. the gap between the rich and poor is not b/c of some evil conspiracy.
        personal responsibility is the key to prosperity. If one works hard AND smart and makes good decisions, they will be all right 90% of the time. For example if a teenager stays in school, goes to college, does not over spend by trying to keep up with the Jones’, they will do fine.
        By contrast, if the same teenager gets pregnant, drops out of school, spends their life overspending to be”cool” like hollywood celecreties or abuses drugs, booze, or other some vice, YES they will be poor.
        I am a divorced dad. My income is barely middle class and after child support and other obligations of divorce my take home pay drops below the poverty level for me and my kids. But since my divorce in 01, my net worth has climbed like a rocket due to old fashion “dave ramsey” common sense. If I can climb above my situation, so can the average American.
        This calss war-fare line by the D’s is so old and worthless.

        • http://aol Don

          You sound like a Muslim, because this is the same dialogue they use.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thank you, you said it all with the common sense we all should have. And Don says you sound like a Muslim? How is that? You have cited the All-American way, that if you apply yourself and try, you can do anything. Very well said, and anyone that doesnt agree with you on this, needs not live as a free person in this country, because they are un-American to not agree with this. Thank you, you said it well.

      • DaveH

        Don,
        I remember reading an article many years ago by a reporter who was talking to a Cuban official. The Cuban was ranting about how unfair our system was. The reporter asked “Don’t our lowest paid workers in the US, have a higher standard of living than your highest paid?”. To that the Cuban responded “Yes, but then they have to look at all your rich people flaunting their wealth!”. Oh yeah, the politics of envy. Maybe Don, if you worked as hard and took as many risks (both personal and financial) as the rich are willing to, you could join their ranks instead of envying them.

        • http://aol Don

          There is nothing wrong with being wealthy, I just want a government that represents all the people, not a government that represents just the wealthy. I don’t like the attitude that a lot of people have about the poor, like,”we will treat the slaves with respect.”

        • John the Carpenter

          AS I recall, Jesus had a problem with wealth, in fact the Bible quotes him in a few places talking about wealth. “Blessed are you poor, For yours is the kingdom of God…Woe to you who are rich, For you have received your consolation”; and,”Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. “Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”; and, “Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.” (Luke 6:20, 24; Matt. 19:23-24; Luke 12:33)

          Think about it.

          • thomas

            Amen, thats whats going on right now, weve stored up things of this world,cars,things,concentrated on things we want instead of what he wants and it will all be taken away. also the devil entered the church along time ago to devieve the elect. go to grace and truth.net to see the truth also read revelations .

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Dave I agree with you, and I see Don’s comments afterwards. Im not rich, Im a 50g a year working man. I see the government as representing me. They pay for a police force in my town that keeps me safe. They pay for a fire dept to control fires. We have the national guard if needed. Local and state politicians heading up brances to keep civil order and anarchy away. All in all, its pretty good. Sure the government wastes all kinds of money, and does things in the interest of their own party instead of the people, and that really sucks, but you know, I feel represented in government, and Im glad we have what we have, because weve got it better here than anywhere else in the world. I can go where I want, when I want, and with who I want. I can eat, drink and carry-on. I can go to church and worship freely. I can have sex with my wife or be a cheating bastard if I chose to be. We are free to go anything we want here is my point, and we are protected pretty much for the most part,(other than when Bill Clinton slept for 8 years I might add). Im just wondering that if we are so bad here, why do thousands keep trying to come here?

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To John the Carpenter- About Jesus and wealth. Yes, what you said is very true, scriptural truth. It is also written that “the want of money is the source of all evil”. And wherever you get large amounts of money, corruption and greed are prevalent and present, and thats why it is written about it being easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle that for a rich man to inherit the kingdom of heaven. However, because one is rich, doe’s not automatically make them this way. I know some very rich people, who give 10 percent of their earnings, (tithe) to the church. They give money to this and money to that, and they have a nice house, but not no mansion like some choose to have. In otherwords, even though they are rich, they are good stewards of what God has given them. But on the whole, the camel through the eye fits, because of the greed and corruption money brings. Its often made me wonder what would happen to me if a large amount of money came upon me. I watched a TV show recently here about the first 10 people that won multi million dollar lottery prizes, and I dont know if it was nationwide, or Indiana or the powerball or what, but within 5 years, everyone of them was worse off financially than before they won the money. They all said what I say, that it wouldnt change them, and it did, everyone of them. Money can do some strange things to people, and your right with what you quoted, because Jesus knew that. A lot of people dont realize, that the Bible talks about money more than love or any other subject. Thats how important it is, yet today people get offended if a pastor mentions money. It is an important thing to understand. Good post John.

      • DaveH

        Well, Don, I am a far cry from wealthy and they certainly don’t represent me. Big Government is an attraction for wealthy people who can buy favors. The representatives could care less about you and me. They are in it for money and power. The bigger government grows, the more corruption grows. If you really want to stop corruption then get the government out of business and let the marketplace determine who is doing the best job of supplying the public. The free market would eliminated discrimination much better than any government body. The companies that hired their employees based on bias would soon fall prey (in the free market) to the companies that just hired the most productive workers regardless of sex, age, race, or any other bias. I have seen personally how companies avoid “protected classes” because they know that if the employee turns out to be a lemon they may have a lawsuit on their hands upon dismissal of that employee. I am currently having a heck of a time finding work (age 60) and there is little doubt in my mind that my potential employers see me as a possible lawsuit liability. And I am a hard worker, but how do they find that out without risking an “age discrimination” lawsuit?

        • http://aol Don

          Keep trying Dave. If you believe in a God, he might want you to work some where that you haven’t tried. Maybe he wants you to impart some knowledge to someone, because you sound very intelligent – even though I disagree with you on an assortment of ideas. In my opinion, you still have many good qualities, but you know that. Please, don’t write back and say that now I’m playing god. I get tired of all the name calling directed towards me or advise me to shut up. By the way I will stop writing, because I have too many jobs. This takes too much time. By the way I’m about the same age. If you don’t believe in god, keep trying. Something that always worked for me is that if a person gives 100%, something positive will happen. It might not be what you want, especially if you want to be a major leagur ball player (our age), but something will happen. I sent a friend of mine that was using drugs to a drug counseling agency, and he also needed a job. Now he is the director of the agency. Good luck.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        No, but there is a new world order coming one day, where there will be a 10 country ruling order, and 3 will be quickly removed. Things are heading towards this, with a world currency and all that being worked on this day. It probably will be awhile yet, but you never know. Should get yourselves ready whether it be today, tomorrow, next year, or a hundred years from now. Better be ready. Dave, I hear what your saying man, and I agree with a lot of it. I have seen where older guys get screwed out a job because of their age, and I do understand why business’s do it, because of the insurance costs, but it doesnt make it right. We have to have government though, because without, anarchy comes and that is much worse. Government, just like anyother organization, when you get great piles of money, corruption is there. Its a fact. A whole lot of people dont realize that money is talked about in the bible more than love or anything else, because if one is not careful, money will rule you. It will own you and it will destroy you. I myself, yeah, I wasted 40 years of my life chasing it, and enough was never enough. It almost did me in. My life changed, and I realized I was chasing the wrong thing. It is written that if you seek first the Kingdom of God, then all these things will be added to you. Once I got on the right track with Jesus in my life, I tell you true, I want for nothing, and I could care less about it. Im giving away far more than I used to, because it doesnt mean much to me. Ive been shown that all I need is enough to get by, and thats all I seek, so He keeps piling it on me, so I can give to others. I know millionaires who are quite pathetic in their outlook on life. Enough is never enough. They are never filled , never content, always seeking that next million. One needs two, two needs three, three needs four and so on. We have a Jesus shaped hole in our heart, and until you fill that, aint nothing ever going to be enough. I know, I was that guy for 40 years. Ive lived it seen it, breathed it. I still see it in people all the time, and its sad. They just dont get it. Theyve got more than anyone could possible ever need, and they are miserable, chasing after more money. Seems our government reps are the same way, chasing more and more for themselves, and not giving back to the people that elected them to represent them. We do have a godless government. Its become all about the quest for power. But even at that, I do have to follow certain government guidlines, as it is written, “If the government says pay taxes, then pay taxes”. “All authority on earth was placed there by God, therefore abide by it”. So even though I dont like somethings they do, if its legal, I am required to do it. Some make a good case that it isnt legal to have to pay taxes, as it truly was never signed into law, and this is true, but we all know what happens if you go about without paying it. Not worth it. But I do understand what your saying, and yes, sometimes life sucks, and sometimes, seem more than not anymore, what the government does sucks. But Dave, I can truly take solace, and hope one day you can to, that I know that neither the democrats, the republicans, the poor or the rich are in control, God is. All in His time. And Im here to say, some of the things that I thought were devastating to me, later turned out to be the best things that ever happened to me. You see, he doesnt do things to cause us harm, all are for the betterment of us. Sometimes it doesnt seem that way, but if you follow, yes, it does work out that way. And this is from a a guy who was rotten for 40 years, and hey, Im still a sinner, always will be as long as I wear this flesh suit. But Im trying, Im a work in progress. Give it a shot.

        • thomas

          go to utube and look up amero, they made a new currency in 2007 just waiting for the right time after they get all our money and devalue it. its for the union of canada america nad mexico, spread the word, also go to grace and truth .net. satans been in the church for along time decieving us.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Don, thats what socialism basically does. The 5% run the place, and live high off the hog, and keep the rest of the people dependant upon them, and dictate to them where they will be and what they will be. It has failed everywhere it has been practiced, and thats a fact. And as far as this gap between middle class and rich, well Im middle class I guess, 50 g’s a year. The rich dont threaten me, and I could care less if Im closer to them or farther away. What they do is their business, not mine. I do know Ive never had a poor man give me a job though. And I do know the so called rich pay over 80 percent of the taxes that keep this country afloat. That I do know. Im thinking we pick on and blame them enough. It is the politicians that get us off track, and though Im a republican now, it happens in both parties. Thats why Im for getting rid of the career politicians and voting in new blood that isnt tied to special interest groups. The poor with always be with us, and the Bible tells us that. I for one give to support them, but dont need my government to tax me to death to give to those they call poor, you know, the guys that dont want to work, but can sit on the porch all day drinking beer and smoking cigarettes. Sorry, those arent the poor. Those are the leeches on society. People that do that crap, should be drug and alcohlol tested when they receive these government handouts, and if they fail one, they get cut off. I think thats only right. Socialism would create more and more of this, and we really dont need this, not at all. So know, dont even joke about how youd rather have socialism. If you study it and its effects on a society, no, there is no way a person with a half a brain or more would want it. Nope.

    • joanppgreen

      Do you really believe Barack Obama has his own agenda “to fulfill a higher calling?” I believe it’s the “lowest of the lowest” as far as a “calling” can be!

      • Cathy Lowry

        Joanppgreen: Just to clafiy: I believe Obama sees himself as fulfilling a self-proclaimed higher calling than just being the U.S. president. Durng his campaign, I recall him saying “I’m what you’ve been waiting for.” That’s blasphemy, in my opinion. He equates himself with Jesus Christ. Obama sees himself as the savior of the world, and unfortunately so do a lot of people who voted for him.

        • Malachi

          Thing is, we didn’t vote for the “savior of the world,” we voted for an american president.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          We, didnt include me. I am not taking the blame for this guy getting elected, and it seems that nowadays, a lot of the people that voted for him, are saying the same thing. Hmmm.

      • Malachi

        The liberals have always believed it is their calling to destroy the rights that they cannot control (people’s health care, talk radio, etc., etc.). Destroying rights in the name of giving rights, and destroying competition in the name of protecting it. They are very talented at saying one thing and then doing the opposite.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          They are indeed todays Pharisee’s. Do as I say, not as I do. In public I appear to be upstanding and special, but in those dark and quiet places, only the shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Yeah, its kind of like that.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Barack is just a man, a politician at that. Thats all. Like him or dislike him, he is just a man. thats all.

    • http://PersonalLiberityDigest Arkey

      I have thought about this for a while, and finally you put it in words that make sense. Thank you

    • http://PersonalLiberityDigest Arkey

      Thank you for your thoughts. I felt their was something wrong during his run for the President of OUR USA.

    • http://aol Don

      Obama is trying to get along with the rest of the world. This is why he is a world leader.

      • Cathy Lowry

        Don: Remove your blinders, please. Obama’s policy of trying to “just get along with the rest of the world,” as you say, is naive. The truth is that the rest of the world doesn’t want to just get along with the U.S., except perhaps for our allies. The rest of the world wants to kill our citiizens and destroy our economy because they judge us as having excessive wealth in the face of the world’s poverty. It’s true that this country has been blessed, but I believe it’s because this country was founded on Christian principals, and practised. If you’ve ever visited Philadelphia’s Constitution Hall and read the founding documents, you’d know that our constitution is based on spiritual principals. But I believe in these last few years, God has withdrawn his hand of blessing because we have strayed so far from those principals, removed God from
        schools, allowed abortions, divorce, adultery, co-habitation, out-of-wedlock childbirth and same sex unions — and promoted it all through mass entertainment. The moral fiber of our country has changed radically and we are seeing the result.
        Biblical principals.

        • http://aol Don

          I didn’t know that slavery was a Biblical principal. I believe God will give us His Blessing, because we are treating others for the first time in a long time as our equal. Our representatives in the past have put themselves as being far superior to others. Even though we have made superior technological advances, collected more wealth, it doesn’t make us superior spiritual beings.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sure it is. It says in the Bible for slaves to honor their masters, and for the masters to be good to their slaves and treat them right. Its in there, check it out.

        • Ken Gourley

          Madam no body wants to kill anybody from the USA except in retaliation for the murders etc put upon them by the USA, I guess that takes in about eighty percent of the world, but you get the idea, don’t you?

      • DaveH

        Don,
        Obviously, it must be your principle, because thanks to you liberals, slavery is alive and well in the United States. The average citizen spends over 25% of his/her workday working for the government. Some citizens, of course, spend more and some less. What percentage level makes you a slave? If you stop to think a little or do a little research, you would realize that even the southern slaves didn’t spend their entire days working for their masters.
        I consider it slavery whenever people are forced to work for someone else who gives nothing in return. In fact, many government agencies not only give nothing in return but also harass good citizens. Government is force, not reason.

        • http://aol Don

          Yes, the slaves didn’t work all the time, because the slave owners couldn’t work the slaves and rape their wives at the same time. Yes, I believe in education, hard work, etc., but as Warren Buffet asked the question during the election, “why is my rate of paying taxes a lot lower than my secretary’s” was never answered by the conservatives. On paper the rich pays most of the taxes, but in reality, it is the middle class. We need a fair tax code without loop holes which I know from your stated philsophy you wouldn’t be for. It is easy to run down the people who do not try to offer some kind of service to their fellow man when we know they can offer something, but the total system shouldn’t be on the back of the middle class. Slavery, to me, is when a person is smart, works hard, pays more than his/her fair share of taxes, and can’t make ends meet. When the owner can easily pay more, but doesn’t. Yes, he can quit, but their is a monopoly of business that would treat him the same. He/she can work several jobs at the cost of neglecting his family.

        • DaveH

          Where do you get your information, Don? All you have to do is look at the income tax booklet. The higher income workers pay not only more money, but they even pay a higher percentage of their earnings to taxes. And if you knew anything about the tax code, you would know that the “loopholes” are almost always deferred taxes, meaning that eventually the government will get their money.
          It’s interesting to me that you quote Warren Buffet, who has Billions of dollars. Why, if he’s so charitable (he is a liberal), doesn’t he give all that money to charity?
          And you don’t know me, because I do believe in a fair tax system. That is, all adults should pay exactly the same dollar amount, regardless of earnings. The higher-taxed people certainly don’t get more government for their increased payments. In fact, it anything, they get more harassment from government. And if we want their money, we can earn it by providing them with our service or produced goods. Government has a history of wasting money, and that does the citizens no good at all.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

          I know it is hard for you to believe but liberals are very charitable even rich ones, somehow I can not see you having many liberal friends.(not acquaintances) Do YOU?? Not all income that is not taxed is deferred taxes and even those you pay when your total income is less so you tax is less. Many are not though, pre tax dollars in you paycheck except for your part of pensions are not taxed period, your medical savings accounts are not, your life and health care premiums are not. All your deductions on your schedule A (for those making enough money to use it). are not. etc. Do you really mean

          I do believe in a fair tax system. “That is, all adults should pay exactly the same dollar amount, regardless of earnings”.

          If I understand you correctly, if you make say thirty thousand a year and your taxes are one thousand dollars then the person making 10 million should only a thousand dollars too. YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS FAIR, IF YOU DO YOU ARE NOT ONLY GREEDY YOU ARE NUTS. Fair is each paying the same proportion of their income, (today the rich pay less) your way will make paupers out of most of the population and then who will provide for them. You know we are all in this life together, and conservatives are greedy and only in it for themselves. This statement of yours certainly demonstrates that about you. If you feel that way why don’t you build your own roads, be your own fireman, policeman etc. Greedy people like you is what is the real problem this county faces today and after thirty years of conservative principals being at this high point and now in exile after last falls election but after thirty years of predominately conservative principals in force, look what happened to our economy, you guys almost destroyed this country because of your greed, not since the twenties has the rich to poor gap been so large and this always happens when conservative principals have been a controlling factor. As I said conservatives only care about themselves and this is why they are so selfish. Either that or you have a slave complex and want to worship the rich and powerful and live like a pauper. Liberals believe each should have the portion they earn or at least a fair share of it, conservative employers are perfectly content to pay slave wages while they get rich and conservatives either want nothing or everything, you see that gets every thing out of balance and thus screws everything up. Liberals are for every thing in balance and harmony. This raises all boats and we all do better.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You lie. I work for a Christian conservative company, and you say slave wages? Our guys make 2 bucks an hour less than the liberal Union guys in the same field. However, our guys are driving around brand new 30 thousand dollar vans, completely equiped with company tools. They have a company gas card and pay nothing for it. They get paid vacations and paid holidays, which the union craps dont get. The boss actually knows their name, their wife’s name, their childrens names, and actually cares about them. Our guys dont get laid off, well at least not until Obama came into office and some new guys got it so we’d have money to pay the new raised taxes that the democrats levied on our small business. So when it actually comes down to it, our guys wage package is more than the unions. We are a conservative run business, ran by 3 Christian brothers. The Union is a liberal entity, always has been, always will be. But we make more. So your statement sir, on this basis, is a bald faced lie. You should learn facts before you spew out your little opinions as the truth. But I guess knowing your a liberal, I really shouldnt expect the truth from you now, should I. You guys expect everyone to believe what you say, and unfortunately the uneducated American public bought into your billions of dollars of TV adds about change, and thats how Obama bought the election. FACT.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Apologizing for us being a successful country is absurd. Did he also apologize for giving them all billions of dollars of aid? Did they feel so bad they returned it? I dont think so. He sold us out, and hung us out to dry. This guy was elected to represent the United States of America, not the terrorist nations that hate America. And you mis-understand their hatred of America. Its not Bush, Clinton, or Obama. Its Jesus Christ. We are the last Christian stronghold in the world. We are all that keeps the muslim religion from ruling the world with an iron fist. If you want your wives and daughters and sisters to be beaten whenever a man feels like beating them, to run around in a black burka when its 100 degrees outside, and you want them to be allowed to be killed because they looked at a guy, then keep thinking this way. They like the democrats because they are pacifist appeasers, and they can get closer to destroying us through them. They hated Bush, because he represented a strong America that wasnt going to let then keep punching us in the nose like Bill Clinton did for 8 years. Sorry libs, this is a historical fact. You cannot deny the fact that Clinton let them bomb the WTC basement, the USS Cole, the barracks in Lebanon, and the Somalia incident and did nothing. And in cutting the military and intelligence communities in half, no one caught these guys milling about the country taking flying lessons, without learning to land, and setting up 9-11. When they did that, it was on, and Bush said enough is enough, we cant sit here and play sissy any longer, and took it too them. I applaud this action, and I dont care about the monetary cost. Id like to take the billions they gave GM, Chrysler and the banks, along with this cash for clunkers thing, and finish these terrorist off in a big way. If you dont, they will come knocking here again. There are those who say “diplomacy” with these guys. Sorry, get educated. You cant deal with these guys, as its is there way or the highway. They want us dead, they have said they want us dead, and they have said they will not rest until we are dead, and then this guy and his admin wants to sit down and talk with them. What? Are they nuts. Im not the sharpest pencil in the box, but this is just plain stupid. Excuse me? What part of wanting us dead dont you understand? Hello, anybody home? We were on the right track with Bush, and you libs cannot deny the truth, fact is fact. Unemployment at an alltime low. More people working in America than ever in history. Stock market at an all time high. House building at an all time high. Then came the threat of a dem winning the election in 2008, because the republicans had a brain fart and decided to run a 150 year old man. Business knew what was coming the democrat tax monsters. They stopped expanding, held on to capital to pay the tax monsters, and things slowed down. Now that the Obamination is in there giving money to everyone that doesnt deserve it, and taking it from all who work, the crap has hit the fan, and all the lefties blame it on Bush. You criticized Bush’s spending, but your boy has spent more in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years. Come on, get with the facts. Like Pat below, says that GB screwed this country into the ground for 8 years. Really. So why was unemployement at an all time low, and now it is at an all time high? Why was employement at an all time high, and job loss under Obama is trying to be hidden by the national press as to how bad it really is. Oh yeah, thats right. The left wing liberal press is lying again, giving us false reports of job losses, which are double what they have been reporting. George Bush had to clean up Bill Clinton’s terrorist mess that were running around in this country by the thousands. He had to rebuild our whole intelligence network, and re-work our military, because Bill Clinton dismanted our whole national defense to make it look like he was balancing the budget. Baloney, and you lefites let the press make you love this loser, while he was defiling the office of the presidency, defiling many young women, and defiling his wife and family. Immoral buffoon, and you love him. Get a grip.

        • http://aol Don

          I didn’t know Iraq thanked us for spending a trillion dollars on them. Did the 700,000 that were killed thank us. Now a president comes around and says spend our tax dollars on Americans not on Iraqis and the republicans are going wild. Republicans want us to stay in Iraq and keep spending our tax dollars on Iraq. Sorry, I say, “spend it on us.” When the president says to use wind and solar and not send money to the people that hate us, republicans say no. Don’t force our companies to use this method of energy, but keep begging for more oil. Did Bush ever try to locate Bin Laden? Yes, but it was a feeble attempt, and it was not because we didn’t have the no how or power to do so. You are not serious about defending our country. You talk a good game, but stand behind your incompetent Bush. He could have gone after Laden but failed miserably. The barracks of Lebanon was Reagan. I remember some feeble lady reporter coming on TV and said Reagan, who order the 250 some soldiers to stay there, made a poor decision to have the soldiers stay there, because the road leading to the barracks was higher than the barracks. I remember saying, “right on lady” and telling my wife that I guess we do need woman in the military to have some common sense. Next day, they sent a truck with explosives down the road killing those defenseless soldiers. Reagan pulled out and gave up. He did come out smelling like a rose, because the next day he invaded Grenada, killed some feeble soldiers there and everyone thought Reagan was a hero. Clinton years were 10 times better than Bush economy. Bush did not show any leadership as far as regulations, this is why Bush used the TARP money and now the Obama’s stimulus. And wouldn’t you hate a country that invade us? Wouldn’t you try to defend your country? Then, why do you have a difficult time understanding why they hate us and defending their country in Iraq? They are doing the same thing we would do if someone invaded us. Time after time it has been shown that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was mostly guys from Saudi Arabia that caused the suffering of 9/11. You know – Bush senior was caught holding hands with the leaders of that country. Probably because they owen the oil. Come on – you get the facts.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Don, for you to call the muslims a kind, nice, and loving people shows your ignorance. The very tenant of their so called religion says if someone doesnt thing like them, they are an infidel and to kill them. They kill themselves by the millions over Shite and Bathe and Sikhs and all other sects, because of slight differences in their beliefs. That would be like me, killing a methodist or a baptists because they worship slightly different than my Missionary church does. Its ridiculous, and they are not a peaceful people, when they plan on killing us all.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ok, Ill accept your point, but please understand mine. As we are the country that gives these other nations billions of dollars, and give food to them to eat, and medicine for illness, shouldnt most of them try to get along with us, instead of vice versa? I am still of the thought that we are the greatest nation on earth, and we give more to more than any nation on earth, and it doesnt seem we get a lot of gratitude for that. I would think a lot of these nations that cause us trouble should be thankful for us, but they are not, they just want more. If I were running things, I would care less if they like us or not, in fact, those that march on us and speak out against us, Id make sure they didnt like us, because Id cut off every red cent that goes to them, then see how they dislike us. France, Germany, Id close everybase and remove every dollar so quick it would make their heads spin after they turned their backs on us, especially since they are the first that will come calling “Mr. American, save us”, again. I think they forgot the last time we saved their pacifist butts. Yeah, thats how I feel about it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Its called pacifism and appeasement. Everytime its been practiced, it has resulted in failure and defeat for the ones practicing it. No thanks.

    • Pat

      This is utterly ridiculous. You people are amazing. GB screwed this country into the ground for eight years. Now President Obama is expected to fix it overnight. What’s astouding is that most republicans won’t print anything that is true about President Obama but, they have no shame in printing something that is just a bald face lie.

      “Such a development would be an absolute travesty—a complete abandonment of duty to America’s best interests. And I’d have to judge it, still, as being highly improbable.”

      Why print it if you’re going to disclaim it with a statement like this?

      • DaveH

        Pat,
        You mean like the kind of lies Obama tells constantly? His was going to be a transparent administration, yet he has released very little sought after documentation. Yes, Bush jr., Bush senior, and Bill Clinton all contributed to the current situation, but nobody has even come close to the trampling of the law that Obama is creating. Obama distanced himself from the accusations that he had Muslim roots during his campaign, but then bragged about those roots during a speech in Egypt after the election.
        This country was founded on the principles of freedom. That means for everyone, including people who are business owners. The only freedom the liberals seem to respect is the freedom to take other people’s freedom away.
        For those of you who think government can give prosperity to a country, answer these questions: Why do we have poor countries? Don’t they have governments? Can’t they also just create lots of money and spend their countries into prosperity?
        I know what motivates you liberals. You think that you are going to get to feed at the trough. But think again. If you aren’t willing to work hard and sacrifice yourself for your new socialist masters, they will step on you as they would step on any other obstacle in their way. Those of you who couldn’t or wouldn’t work hard enough to be successful in a free-enterprise system are going to fare even worse when the socialist leaders take over and impoverish this country.

        • DaveH

          Also, I wanted to add that I’m kind of sick of people blaming the president for everything, when in fact Congress creates the laws and the spending bills. The president can only veto those bills, and even then the veto can be over-ridden by Congress. And Congress, by the way, has been controlled by Democrats for all but about 12 of the last 50 years. So, if you really want change you need to pay more attention to what your Congressman is doing.

        • http://aol Don

          Dave, you sound like a bigot. I use to live around 350,000 Muslims in Detroit. They are very loving, nice, and fair people. You make it sound like it is a bad thing. The people who are guility are 9/11 want power. They are opposite of Islam. Just because Tim McVey called himself a Christian, doesn’t make Christianity a bad thing.

        • DaveH

          And Don,
          You sound like an ignorant person accusing me of being a bigot. I didn’t say anything bad about Muslims. What I said is that Obama is a liar. Of course, unfortunately that is true for most politicians, partly because we expect more than human in our presidents, so they typically have to lie to live up to that. I don’t know anything about Muslims, have never known one. But it is a fact that wherever they achieve a majority, they are usually intolerant of other religions. With the exception of the Kurds, who seem like an unusually tolerant group of Muslims.
          I have never persecuted anyone because of their race, age, creed, etc., and I sure have never taken advantage of my fellow human beings, especially against their will, like you liberals do.
          I have gathered from your many posts that you are black (and probably Muslim). I have known many blacks that I have enjoyed being around, but the liberal blacks really overdo the race card. And blaming Whitey for all your woes is really trite. In fact, for you to assume someone is prejudiced, just because they are conservative, is bigoted in itself.
          Remember that it was Abe Lincoln, who was white, who fought to free the blacks. And he couldn’t have done that without the support of the majority of whites. Coincidentally, Lincoln was a Republican (I am Libertarian), so the people who he freed hurt the ones who helped them by voting almost exclusively as Democrats. Of course, that is because the Democrat party was always the party which offered something for nothing.
          You are so indignant about those who took away your ancestors freedom, but seem to have no problem taking away the freedom of others as long as you think it will benefit you. Two wrongs don’t make a right!
          Actually, Don, I have hope for you. I am guessing that you grew up in a part of the country where it is difficult to get alternative information. Try reading Reason magazine, or go to Reason.org, or Cato.org . Join the movement for freedom (that means yours too) before it is too late for all of us.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

          Dave

          You totally miss characterize liberals and certainly know nothing about them despite your claims to the contrary. as Pat said

          What’s astounding is that most republicans won’t print anything that is true about President Obama but, they have no shame in printing something that is just a bald face lie.

          You have in this post proved her right, you know nothing of liberal motivation because only listen to conservative BS and this closes your mind to any liberal input, you know garbage in, garbage out. and that is what you are all about.

          You also suffer from another conservative defect and that is you make all kinds of assumptions with total disregard for the facts and the truth.

          • thomas

            democrat, republic, left, right. it doesnt matter, its all been trained into us. there is neither one, they do what they want put in who they want. votes dont count theyve been doing theyre agenda for years and years. they have everyone trained to think they have a voice.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

          Dave

          This post of yours is even a bit much even for you.

          Lincoln was republican and was the one who instigated the freeing of the slaves but then the we treated them like shit for most of the next 100 years and it was the efforts of Lyndon Johnson who gave them the laws that gave them back some respect and a fair chance albeit things are still bad for some. President Johnson was a democrat and since then it is the democrats for the most part have given them respect and this is why they vote for them not your stupid reason. I will not dignify a response to your other statements as they are too bigoted for me and its like talking to a brick wall when talking to bigots so its a waste of time and energy, He accused you of being a bigot and after reading this post of yours you have convicted yourself of that accusation.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I cant believe you cited Lyndon Johnson. Dude, study your history of those that knew this guy. He dropped the “N” word more than any president in history, well, until Obama got elected. You and I both know he uses it all the time, but thats ok.

        • DaveH

          Smiley,
          Another obviously bigoted black person who can’t see through his own blinders to know that he is the bigotted one. Always blaming whites for his problems, instead of accepting the fact that he can achieve anything he wants to if he puts some effort into it.
          There are many blacks who have broken the mold and strive for true freedom but they are a very small minority. I have experienced bias my whole life because I dare to think outside the box, but I am a white male, so I can’t sit around and whine about fictional suppressors and get away with it. I wouldn’t anyway.
          And I consider a liberal to be anyone who usurps our forefathers dream of limiting the size of government. So in my book many Republicans are liberals. But almost all the Democrats fit that bill.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah, like his relationship with Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, and the rest of the Chicago mafia. Or his birth certificate. Real transparent, in fact so transparent, he is making all this stuff invisible.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: ugust 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am

          Dave,

          Hate to burst your bubble but I too am a white male so I guess that shows what an ass you are. Conservatives are well known for many bad things but two of the worst are their constant lying and the fact that they create a lot of fact based on their own assumptions rather than the real facts and then convince themselves that these false facts they have created are to them real. The rest of us see them as conservatives being delusional. You even say you never sit around whining but again that is all we see you do here, but I suppose this is another one of your assumptions passed off as fact.

        • DaveH

          Smilee,
          You say you are white, but you are constantly calling people bigots and racists (which proves that you are the bigot). Seems kind of strange behavior to be constantly trashing your own race, I’ve sure never known any black people that do that. Personally, I think you are lying about being a white male, but of course I have no way to prove that.
          Or is it just what the liberal Democrats teach their followers – Trash anyone who has an opposing opinion by calling them names and accusing them of being liars.
          By the way, I will give you a chance to back up one of your statements. Please provide a link to one of the many Obama “Birth Certificates” that you claim are on the internet. And I don’t mean “Certificate of Live Birth” which is a different document altogether.

        • DaveH
        • DaveH

          I should add that personally, I don’t give a crap where he was born, but I do care about the fact that he is trying to make all of us subjects of the nanny state.
          I repeat, for those of you that have aspirations of feeding at the trough, think again. The same people that work harder than you and succeed in a freer-enterprise system, are going to still out-compete you at the trough. The only real difference is that with no incentive to be productive, we are going to have much less in the trough to fight over.

        • DaveH

          By the way, I will correct myself, before the onslaught from Smilee. I mispelled “Certificate of Live Birth” what I meant was “Certification of Live Birth”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Really. Pull your head out of the sand, and quit believing whatever liberal rags your reading. Bush did wonderful things for this country. Everything was great until he couldnt run again, and everyone knew Obama was going to beat the 150 year old challenger, then the economy went to hell as business kept their money to pay the upcoming raised taxes. Thats how it is if you are interested in the facts.

    • Lyle Kelley

      I agree that Obama has his own personal agenda. I’ve felt, ever since the beginning of his campaign for President, that he’s a muslim in disguise. Recently talked with a young black woman who voted for him and would again. She said she has an uncle who’s a muslim and both she and him KNOW Obama is a muslim. Don’t know if the anti-christ will be a muslim, or not, but Barack is pushing us in that direction.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      I mean, why wouldnt he abandon the dollar, its American. He has abandoned God, abandoned the American people, abandoned our veterans who fought for our liberties that he is giving away. He has abandoned the tax payer, and out and out lied, while he gives our hard earned tax dollars to GM and the unions. When he opens his mouth, lies spew forth. He isnt intelligent as some say, just a good reader, as everything he says is what his teleprompter tells him to say. I see him as the most unqualified person to sit in this office since Jimmie Carter, who still remains the most unqualified, but the Obamination is knocking on his door.

      • Smilee

        Mark

        What a terrible thing to say. He is a Christian and has not abandoned God, He has said so and us Christians should not judge him not to be. We are commended not to. It is hard for me to hear you say you are a Christian and then assert you have the ability to judge that in him, it raises the question as to what or whom you really believe in. Your assumptions and allegations about him are so totally not true. A Christian believes that he/she should not bear false witness against your neighbor but you do not seem to have a problem doing this based on your statements you make in this and many other of your posts. The teleprompters tells you what you tell it to, do you really think that a teleprompter can think for itself. Mark I’m surprised at you making such a dumb remark. A man such as yourself who comes across as such an ignorant person making a statement saying he is unqualified when so many of your posts are nothing more than fictional jibber jabber, you cannot hold a candle to Barrack when it comes to at least sounding intelligent which he is an expert at and those who know him best also say that about him as well.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          How can you possibly say this? He is not a Christian, and I have proof on two levels. One, being interviewed by George Stephanopolus, he said “it is against my muslim religion”. George had to step in and correct him with, “you mean your Christian religion?”. Well pal, sorry. This could not slip out of the mouth of a Christian, because it is not within them to slip out, no way, no how. What is in your heart, comes out your mouth. Then, point two, there is no way any man who is a true Christian, who has accepted Jesus Christ and has been filled with the Holy Spirit, could possible sit and listen to Rev. Wright spew racial filled hatred for 20 years. No, not even one message would be listened to, before a man with God would run from a leech like that. For a supposed man of God to spew stuff like that from the pulpit, oh my gosh man, you gotta run from evil like that. So no, dont say Barrack is a Christian, because it isnt true, not at all. If it was, points one and two above wouldnt be possible. And you call me a liar? Wow.

    • eric

      It’s way worse than that. We have revern Rite in the white house, anti American, maybe Muslim, most of all dangerous to our way of life. Freedom is soo very hard to earn, and so easy to give away. Just look a pre world war 2 Germany, the people of that nation had no idea what they were getting into, and yes voted for…..

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        He is a muslim and said so in an interview with George Stephanopolus, yet Smilee says he’s a Christian. How the left lies.

        • Cathy Lowry

          Mark:
          You are absolutely right about Obama….he is not a Christian. He says he is to get the main stream voting block. Besides his slip of the tongue during George Stephanopolous’ interview saying he was a muslim, during his campaign he stated that he believed there are many ways to get to heaven. Christians know that there is only ONE way to get to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me.” (Jn 14:6) Unfortunately, GW said the same thing so I question his Christian belief on this, which is erroneous

    • Tom Jones

      The republican house and senate along with the Bush administration already passed the legislation to impliment a new currency (called “the Amero”) in 2006. They just postponed its implimentation until Oct. 2009. No doubt due to the time required to coin enough currency to supply all three countries in the North American Union. And pass the “buck” (no pun intended) on to the next administration. Obama actually said NO to the Amero, though I doubt he can stop it, due to the circumstances.

      At the same time the House, Senate, and Bush administration passed legislation to build a superhighway from Canada to Mexico that would allow foreign truckers to haul goods through our country and undercut Americas hard working truckers. A month or so ago the Mexican president was giving Obama “stuff” because Obama refused to keep the Bush administration’s agreements.

      Actually, you guys got to the conspiracy theory too late. This information has been out there for twenty years. I am not saying it is wrong. Just that blame is intentionally being misplaced, and those who were sleeping in class got taken by surprise. I have been prepared for a couple of years now, ever since they collapsed the economy in Oct. ’07. All my investments are doing just fine, if not improving.

      It is not all bad, at least the Amero is real (gold or silver) unlike the toilet-paper dollar.

    • Buffy Wells

      You are RIGHT ON!! It’s a pity that none of the dems can see this, and a bunch of the repbs are right in there too. The only part that is seeing straight is the TEA Party. And so WHAT if Sarah Palin wrote 6 words on her hand. At least she makes sense! I would vote for her, get that idiot who cannot even pronounce Corpsman, OUT OF THE White House! What a disaster!

  • elvi

    I agree. Mr Obama does not have the best interest for USA or it’s citizens and it seems to be enjoying the fact that he is destroying everything that some of the Presidents have fought so hard to accomplish. :( How sad. This man’s only interest is to feed his ego and popularity. And to be someone he is not.

    • joanppgreen

      Why blame all of this present mess on O’bama…..he is only finishing up what the other presidents of the past (with the exception of a few) had started……Our country has been led by a “click” of the wealthy elite downhill for a looooooong time now. But have no fear…..the “ending” will surprise many!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Because him and his boys were so quick to sit there and point, point, point at Bush, and say “mommy, look what George did”, over and over and over. And you know as well as I, you reap what you sow. Happy reaping Barrack, your getting back what you put out. Bon Appetite.

        • Smilee

          You got it right Mark, we are now reaping what Reagan and those after him sowed, (of course GW poured on the fertilizer far too heavy) the chickens have come home to roost. Obama has the shovel and he knows how to use it, it is just those ahead of him left so much debris that it will take him a while to get rid of their messes , but if you nay sayers would stand off to the side and out of his way he would get it done sooner. Again you show how ignorant you really are.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Obama is an ignorant ass that hasnt a clue what to do. He is the puppet of the left wing democrats, and only does and says what they print on his telestrator and you know it. Everything he has done so far has made things worse. But seriously, my 250,000.00 dollar a year neighbor appreciated Barack saving him 4500.00 when he bought his new Lexus, that he was going to buy anyhow. Yeah, thats how this cash for clunkers thing is working. What a joke. Lets artificially stimulate more crap, because its all going to get worse with his clowns running the show, and we all will be left standing here paying for it. Sorry, Im tired of the left wanting me to pay for those who dont want to pay for nothing. Take their social programs and stick them up your butt pal, because they are taking this country’s finances down the toilet. Ive never had the government pay a dime for my needs, and I dont want them to, nor should anyone be dependent on them. Maybe if they would have applied themselves a little more in their mispent youth this wouldnt be this way. Hmm.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I dont blame this mess on him. I blame him for making things ten times worse, by rewarding bad behavior with good money. Sorry, but a lot of unemployed have made that a way of life, and Barack rewarded that by extending it. GM and Chrysler have failed miserably in managing a business, and Barack and his boys rewarded them with billions. Chasing bad money with good money. Why not close these leeches down, kill the bad union contracts, and give the money to Honda and Toyota and Hyundai and Subaru, and let them take these companies over and properly run them. Government intervention into this, and falsely stimulating things is a recipe for disaster. Someone has to pay for all this, and guess who it is? Yep, you and me. And this cash for clunkers thing? Well, my neighbor is in the 250 thousand dollar a year range, and he just saved 4500.00 bucks buying a new car, that he was going to buy anyhow. Thats exactly how this is working. Those with the cash are making out. Those without are still without. We have car dealers here in town that are in big trouble, because they have sold all these cars, and the government hasnt paid them one red cent of the 4500.00 the owe them for each car sold. One big dealer is holding the cars it has sold until the 4500.00 is paid, and they havent gotten paid and the customers are getting pissed and cancelling orders. If this is happening here, I know it is nationwide, but see, our left wing liberal press wont hardly report this sort of stuff. Now, you and I both know, that if this was a republican administration that did this, it would be all over ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, and all you would hear is what a failure this plan is. Why does it have to be this way? Why cant we have truth in reporting? I dont get it.

      • Buffy Wells

        It’s 2010 and obama is STILL blaming everything on Bush. Oh No obama will never take blame. Just ask him, He think’s he’s “above” the rest of us. I just hope I”m not around to see THE END. It’s going to be horrible. I have stocked supplies, etc, just in case.

    • eric

      Do your homework it’s not only him, Obama. Look at Acorn, Seiu, Apollo . These are the orgs, behind what’s all about bringing down the USA. It’s George Soros, he’s the bad guy, with all the billions to make it happen. He’s been here since the 80′s after being kicked out of Europe, for trying to ruin their country. All the while making billions betting on the trouble he causes. He made his first move turning in his friends and neighbors to the NAZI’s. Please don’t take my word for this, look it up for yourself, he’s proud of it………

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        What I dont get in these posts, is that there are people who support liberalism, like its ok to kill babies, its ok to use our tax dollars to kill babies overseas, that is ok to put gay lifestyle on a pedestal and treat it as being normal. They support kicking Jesus and Christianity out of everything, but allowing Muslim Islamic thought into everything. The support being allowed to say anything, but if your thoughts oppose them, then you should be silenced. Sorry you immoral twits, this isnt America, nor the principles America was found on. You want to live under these kind of ideals, go to another country, but its not welcome here. Immoral bastards.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        When the left is closely tied and associated with George Soros, the ACLU, ACORN, SEIU, APOLLO, and many other anti-American and anti-Christian organizations, you tell me how any single person can look you in the eye, and say they are a Christian, and then vote for guys that hang with these guys, and also knowingly and willingly, and even forcefully believe in killing unborn babies, not only content to do it here, but now to use our tax dollars to fund killing them overseas, you tell me how they can truthfully justify calling themselves a Christian. Sorry, this is impossible. Someone is lying to themselves, and it isnt me. Things are from two places, God or Satan, and I tell you killing babies in the womb, well, its pretty simple, that aint from God brother.

  • http://- Yvonne

    Obama believes that negotiation and cooperation is better than confrontation; America could not afford another war at this time, that’s for sure. Look at all the money tied up in military hardware, human living disasters, and still terrible poverty in America, not to mention in the world,. Having disagreements (not even wars) costs a lot more money than living in peace with everyone else AND STILL COMMANDING RESPECT. It can be done, except the Republicans still can’t get it. If we had voted in McCain, we would already be at war with Iran -making War No.3 at one time and what would you suggest would have happened to the crisis caused by the subprime mortage collapse, which policies were encouraged by the Bush administration?

    • Earlw

      Actually, if you look back a little farther, you will find out that this economic disaster has it’s roots in the CLINTON administration! The other culpable individual was sen. Phil Gramm, who insisted on repealing the Glass-Steagal act, which prevented the sort of things seen now in banking. There is plenty of blame to go around, and it knows NO political party. The Bush administration simply failed to do anything about it ( Bush is NWO too, as were all the rest)! This has been LONG PLANNED America! these are just the fruits you see now…..

      • Tritonal

        Ye speak the TRUTH Sir!

      • http://aol Don

        If you look back even futher, it started with Reagan. He took off regulating the banks and other institutions.

        • Smilee

          You are so right Don but careful what you say he was their Messiah and they still worship him even though he is dead and we are just now reaping the rewards of the seeds that he sowed and have a few more years of this hell he put on this country before getting back to normal. Silly conservatives now think that Obama should be able to snap his fingers and make the destruction of our economy over the last thirty years vanish in the blink of an eye. It is so revealing of what they are really about and how ignorant they are.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But what sank the banks? Seemed they were running fine when Reagan was in office, as was the country. If Bill Clinton wouldnt have set up using Fannie and Freddie, and letting top dems Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick, under the watchdog eye of Barney Frank, this wouldnt have happened. But when youve got these leeches writing million dollar bonuses like drunken sailors, and the guy in charge of overseeing it, Barney boy shooting down an investigation into it two years before its collapse, well, lets place blame where blame is due, ok. Facts are facts, and lets stop this left wing revisionist history. You cant change the facts of what happened. The left wing crooks did it, I know it, you know it, and God knows it, so get over it.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          You are such a simpleton, you wouldn’t recognize a fact if it jumped up and bit you, you have a habit of crating your own facts to fit your biases and the truth be damned. I thought you knew Reagen was a republican and he planted the seeds for this economic destruction we are harvesting now, in case you do not know it was the republicans that where in charge in the house when this you talk about happened and you are trying to say it was the democrats that did it, well they didn’t but if they had of done it, it would have had to have been done with the blessing of the republicans. Barney did not vote for the repeal of Glass-Steagal and this was this repeal the straw that broke the camels back When this happened Barney said that in about ten years the economy would tank and last fall it did roughly about ten years after. Still think he is as stupid as you want us to believe. You are right Mark you cannot change the facts of what happened but you can quit lying about them.

          • Buffy Wells

            You all should just listen to Charles Krauthammer. He’s brilliant and 100% correct, 100% of the time!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Oh for more days of Ronald Reagan, back when this country was strong and free and had morals. Back when we led all nations and were revered by them, before pacifism and appeasement set in from the left.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Mark, I agree totally with you. Mr. Smilee has cranalanalitus, as anyone with one iota of knowledge, knows that Ronald Reagan had this country on a ride of prosperity never seen before, that carried through to 6 years of Bill Clinton, before all the sleeping Billy did in office screwed everything up and put us into a recession, a bad one, that George W. Bush dug us out of, then when the change-change-change bug was on TV every second for 6 months, everyone knew Obama was coming in, and everything went to hell in a hand basket. Now that the dumbocrats are in, things have gotten 10 times worse. These jerks havent a clue what to do, and think they can spend their way out of it. Its like they are in debt, and flipping a coin going double or nothing, trying to get it back, only thing is, they are calling tails and its a 2 headed coin. Idiots.

      • http://aol Don

        Smilee, you are correct. There are bigger things that are happening, besides Obama. People are getting fed up with their leaders around the world. No one can put their finger on it, and I don’t believe the end of the world, just the end of the world as we know it. I will be positive like you and feel that the best will happen.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Much bigger things than Obama. He is just flesh and blood, just another pawn in the play. And he does get blamed for a lot of stuff, and even by me, but its not him, he is just the figurehead of his party, and it takes congress to do stuff. People used to constantly point the finger at Bush, and now at Obama, but we do not have an absolute dictatorship in this country, where one guy can come and do whatever he wants. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that. It takes a band of them, called congress, and congress never agree’s to do something that they dont want to do. It doesnt work that way. If congress wants it done, it will be done. If they dont want it, it isnt going to happen. Thats just the facts. But it isnt ever one guys fault.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thank you Earl, but your going to get hit by someone on the left, because your not allowed to point out how rotten Bill Clinton was. He is their hero after all.

        • Smilee

          Goes to show how ignorant you are about liberals, see my post to Earl below, Interesting how you point out Clinton but do not mention Graham who was a republican and the author and shepparded this repeal through the senate, it was a republican initiative albeit Clinton did sign the bill into law. If you would take the time to learn to know us liberals you would discover how honest we are. That fact that Clinton made a number of errors doe not mean we don’t like him still, we just are honest about what he done. That is something you conservatives do not seem to understand, you seem to say make a mistake buddy, now hit the road and get lost.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Its pretty simple. Liberals got no morals. Period. The end.

      • Smilee

        Earlw Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 10:38 am

        Actually it started back at least 15 years before that but repealing Glass-Steagal act during the Clinton administration was the last green light all the banks etc needed to go ahead and rape the American economy and we are now suffering the repercussions of this rape now. You know Dorgan of ND and a few others predicted in about 10 years after it was repealed we would be in the mess we are now. Well, their predictions where correct and the time table they predicted was not far off either. It was predictable and goes to show how powerful their lobby’s are.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Im sorry Smilee, but I am not ignorant about liberals, nor am I stupid about them. I know them by the fruits they bear. I give credit where credit is due. I have not seen a democrat act in the best interests of this country since JFK told the Russians to get those missiles out of Cuba. Johnson served himself and made millions with his cronies in escalating Vietnam, and was also the dirtiest foulest mouth ever to be in the White House. He was a vulgar man. I dont know where his faith stood at all, so I cannot comment on that, but the language he used, he was a vulgar man. Carter was inconsequential, as he just was there, but at least he tried to figure out what to do, without any success. Clinton decieved everyone into thinking he was all that, but he was a con man, thats all. The balanced budget was smoke and mirrors, and never really happened as it was at first thought to be true, but later found out not to be so. A lot of numbers fudging going on. But heck, I believe I could go in there, and save all the billions by cutting the military and intelligence community’s in half, and balance the budget easily, but we all know what happened to our internal safety when you do this sort of thing. We are still rebuilding our military, and our intelligence pales compared to what it was and what it should be these days. Thank Bill for that, and there just isnt no ifs and buts about it. This is what the guy did. He opened the gates for all of our business’s to move to Mexico and Canada, and really basically sold organized labor down the road, yet they would still vote for him. His NAFTA deal was and still is very damning to the country. He raised taxes more than any president in history. Ever. And I tell you what, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand what happens to people that crossed him on his way up. Just research the Mena Arkansas drug ring, which in the end was on its way to coming down to the then governor Bill Clinton’s office, but while this thing was going on, huh, everyone got killed. The defendants, the lawyers, the witnesses, the cops, anyone that knew anything, dead. They even have suicides on file, yet the person was shot in the back of the head. Ever know anyone to commit suicide that way? Google the Clinton Death List, and read about some more of Billy’s dirty deeds. He was the biggest criminal in the office, and we are still paying for his deeds. I have seen the gross immorality of the liberal left, because you fail to understand Smilee, that I was born and raised democrat, and I voted democrat for 40 years. My parents are still “FDR” democrats as are many old people. They will never change, because the past and the depression are etched in their minds. Me, I chose to educate myself, and not by watch the national news stations, who come one now, we all know they are owned and ran by the democrats. Every one except Fox news, who for some reason are watched by more viewers than the others combined. Hmm. I wonder why. But dont take things I say so personally, because they arent aimed at you. They are aimed at the left and the immoral dirty crap they do. The lies are rampant, and Im sick of them. Im tired of the finger pointing. Im tired of the republicans getting away from conservatism to play bi-partisan politics. We dont need to slide to the left. We need to push the left away, and stay to the right, with Jesus Christ and family and love and country. I really dont see what is wrong with that. So go ahead and attack and crucify me, but dont say Im ignorant about liberals, because I know more about them than most liberals do about themselves. They are an open book, running the same plays. I dont chose to live in that gray area anymore, where everything is allright. You know, whatever makes you happy, do it. No no. I live in absolutes, black and white, right and wrong, good and evil, one side of the fence or the other. If its wrong in Gods eyes, its wrong, and just because a group of people decided that they know more than God, so now its ok, no, I dont play that game, sorry. There is a way to a man that seems right, and it is the way of death, says the Lord. I for one, dont have arms long enough to box with Him. Others can try, but Im sitting it out. Im not going there. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and if one cannot accept that, then theyve got a long road to haul. Thats all Im saying.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          Sorry you have not convinced me, you are delusional and have not the faintest idea of what liberals are all about, you have defined them as you want them to be and also redefined a lot of history here. You have the conservative view points down to a tee but have no idea that this is mostly fiction. I’m not trying to crucify you as you say, but I will not let you define me or any liberal with your lies and biases, if you did not have so much hate for liberals you could see us as who we really are. It is sad you need a whipping boy to place are of the worlds ills on and sad also you cannot see your own contribution to our problems. You think compromise is a bad thing, well the biggest compromise in our history was the founding of our country but you conservatives would have us believe it was a bunch of Christians doing the Lords will, when i fact they where a varied bunch with the majority interested mostly in preserving their own wealth. The original constitution had no bill of rights, determined who got the tariff on imported slaves until 1808 when it would become unconstitutional to import them, made sure slavery would continue. Voting was also limited to rich white men only so as it insure that they had protected themselves and their wealth. Be honest Mark does this sound like God’s will to you?? The constitution has evolved to include more as the founders found soon after that to keep peace they had to give up some of this power and added the bill of rights which orginially they did not want to and over the years we have amended it 27 times the last time in 1992 so it is still evolving, the problem today is many conservative are stuck in the eighteenth century with a fictional belief of what really transpired, Why do you suppose they separated church from state in the first amendment. They knew it would ruin their compromise to not do it. Today we call compromise, bipartisanship but conservatives do not believe in that and thus we have grid lock. Our best days as a country where when it was a common thing, just look at world war two, we put our differences aside for the good of the country, today your kind refuses to have that attitude thus the current stalemate and it could end up destroying this country and of course it will be some one else’s fault not conservatives. BALONEY

    • David

      If you search history, you will find that the “terrible poverty” in America does not hold up. How many people that you know do not have a cell phone, TV, refrigerator, car, etc.? They are making their choices on where to spend their money, which is not the same as “poverty”. Poverty is when you do not have a means to support yourself, which is not the same as not wanting to do work that is “beneath yourself”.

      I grant that there is some poverty in the U.S., but it is much lower than anywhere else in the world and many of those in “poverty” are there because they do not have the desire to pull themselves out of it.

      We still have people coming into this country that have nothing and they become “wealthy” because of their own efforts.

      Remember, the bible also says that the poor will always be with us.

      • http://sandraboynton@hotmail.com Sandra Boynton

        I don’t believe we have the extent of poverty in the US that you find in other countries. Yes we have poor (most of whom live above what most of us lived 100 years ago). I don’t know of any Americans that live in trash landfills as they do in other countries. If a family needs help there are many resources based on other American donations to help them out. The only ones living on the street are mentally ill and don’t want to be indoors or don’t want to follow the necessary rules for getting help.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I have ministered to the so called “poor”, and I have also read books about homelessness, and visited shelters. I have found, that 90 percent of the so called poor, are people from 20 to 40 years old, who have a problem with alcohol, drugs, or sex, and sometimes all three or two of the three. Decisions they have made, have placed them where they are. There is one common denominator of all of them though, and that is they either have no hope, or they have lost their hope. Some take to the program, and want to be helped, and pay attention, and they find and accept Jesus into their lifes, and once they have that hope in their life, many turn their whole life around, and become productive members of society. But yet some, they are convinced that they can do it by themselves, and they never get out. I am all for helping those to the extreme, that are truly seeking help. And I help them. But so many are just looking for a handout, and dont want to work or better themselves, and they are included in what are called the poor. You can help a person just so much, then you become an enabler to them, and they will leetch off you as long as you let them. In the missions here, these people have to do what is expected of them, stay clean from drugs and alcohol, and do work assignments. If they cant meet these simple requirements, they are sent out, because with resources at a minimal, they need to be reserved for those who show the really need them to get better. Our government unfortunately doesnt have this same concern, as they have become enablers of millions of people who sit around and drink and smoke and have sex and mulitiply, living off the taxpayers backs, and as long as the government enables them, this will never change. Never. It is the churches job to take care of the poor, not the governments. But even the church is smart like the missions they run, not to enable people to live a destructive life style. Until you cut the strings and let them hit rock bottom, they will not seek a better life. Its really sad, but sometimes live is……saying no.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        This is true, but our government likes to call the poor, the 25 inner city guys sitting on the porch drinking a 40 and smoking cigarettes, and they dont want to work, so the government rewards them, because they are deemed poor, because they dont own a house and dont have a car and dont have a job. Gee, I wonder why?

        • Smilee

          I see you are still filled with Hate Mark. I’ll pray for you

        • eric

          Were you in a Coma when the Gov’t was giving houses to the homeless and anyone who could sign a Contract. That’s the fastest way to ruin the value of all the homes in the country, when the nonpayers don’t pay their house notes, no matter what the situation. All home values, after evictions, and abandoned prop, and millions of houses dumped on the market, what else can happen. Every house in the country looses value by some 40% to 90%, ;simply because of supply and demand, it’s not hard to figure, it’s a planned action, and these are our elected officials, who given the power will destroy what’s left of our great country…….

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          And Smilee, you said your going to pray for me. Funny, I remember on the last threads you wrote in, how you lambasted the Christians wanting God’s name in the schools and government buildings, and how I told you about the left kicking God out of everything, and you replied that there were a bunch of churches within 20 miles of you that you could go and see God’s name in. Sounds to me like your confused here. You either want God in, or you want Him out. You openly supported the gay lifestyle in previous threads, but if your in contact with God, and if your a true believer, you would readily recognize the wrong in that. You pray for them, you treat them as a person, but you dont approve of their lifestyle, because its wrong in God’s eyes. But then you tell me I dont know God. I beg to differ. I read God’s word, and I know what it says. And when it says “for a man to lie with another man as he would a woman, is an abomination to the Lord.”, well, I pretty much can figure out that God doesnt approve. So I guess what Im saying Smilee, is that when it comes to God, you cant straddle the fence. Your on one side of the fence, or your on the other. Your with Him, or against Him. You seem to be torn as to which side your on, so what Im going to do, since I do have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and He is my father, and He does hear my prayers, and He does answer them, just sometimes in ways different from what I expected, but I will pray for you, that the racism and hatred will leave your body, that Satan will be extinguished from binding your eyes and ears, that you may see and hear. God bless you from this day forth.

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply:
          August 10th, 2009 at 8:54 am

          I love you Smilee, that why Im trying to enlighten you with the truth.

          Mark

          Just how the hell are you going to enlighten me when all you do is lie to me. You do not know the truth, you are delusional and only think you do.

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply:
          August 7th, 2009 at 7:48 am

          Mark you are the biggest liar on this post, your post below misquotes me at least a eight times, it again proves to me you cannot listen and you spin what you hear so it is your interpretation of what I said and not what I really did say, this means you are a liar and know it or you are delusional and do not what you are doing.

          I never lambasted as you say, the Christians wanting God’s name in school and government buildings what I did say is the supreme court ruled it unconstitutional because of the separation of church and state and therefore it cannot be done in these places, I never told you my personal views you injected it as such and thus you have lied about what I said. What is confusing to you about me saying there was 20 churches and I believe I said within a mile or so that statement sure makes you sound weird in your reasoning. No Mark I never said I wanted them in or I wanted them out all I said was the court said you could not and you now twisted the truth saying I said that and that makes lie number two in this post for you. You also said I openly supported the gay lifestyle and I did nothing of the sort, I only said they should not be discriminated again and harassed as you believe and that is very different than what you said I said, this is lie number three that you have said about me. Mark, I do not sit in judgment of gays as you do, I believe God is opposed to any and all sins and I do not see the sins of homosexuality (if it is a sin ) in his eyes as any worse that yours and my sins and we all have sin. You seem to see theirs as something much worse than your own and I do not. I never told you that you do not know God, I never judge this about anyone including you it is stange to me to see you treat his gay children as if they are inferior to you and I do not believe God looks on either of you or me different, a sin, is a sin with him and that includes lying and I believe in his eyes they are same. This lie is the fourth lie in your post about me. You make a lot of assumptions and judgments about me in the rest of this post and again they are a figment of your imagination and your feeling that you are superior to me and have a inside track to Gtod and have accused be of not having a relationship with God and that I am racist and a bigot and am filled with hate. Let see if I can make this clear for you and see if you can hear it as I say it and not again twist and distort it. I am not torn from one side to another, I am a Christian and I am not a racist or have a heart full of hate and I not straddling the fence at all, I am on Christ’s side. Satan is not blinding my eyes and ears. I believe if I counted right that makes a total of eight lies you have said about me. If you think you are better and superior and I am not saying that you are then let me tell you I think you are dead wrong as I do not believe in Gods eyes he sees you or me as any different that any other sinners including our gay sisters and brothers. Please do not twist my words or make judgments about me that are nothing but assumptions on your part and lead you to make false conclusions as you have did in this post of yours I believe about eight time. Let me leave you with this and I think you know where they came from.

          “Do not bear false witness against your neighbor”
          and
          “Judge not, least you be judged”

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Smilee, you prove you run with the devil when you vote for democrats who empower gay rights, kill innnocent babies and use our tax dollars to kill babies overseas, and run with satanic organizations like the ACLU who are doing everthing in their power to shut down Christianity, and they are a branch of the democrat party, and if you vote for these left wing liberals, you my friend are part of the spread of evil in this country. Dont run from the facts. When you vote for this type of evil behavior, you are evil in heart, so on that basis, yep, Im definately better than you right now.

      • Smilee

        David Reply: August 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am

        Yes, maybe so but he said minister to them not hate them, he also said love your enemies.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But He also said teach them in the right way, which means you dont turn a blind eye when someone is doing wrong, you confront them. If they dont listen, you and a brother go and tell them. If they dont listen then, more of you go and tell them. When they still dont listen at that point, you throw them out of the church. This is the word of the Bible. Has nothing to do with hate. Truth is truth and fact is fact. Those that choose, and I do mean choose, to live on handouts, are upping the taxes on all of us and bringing this country down, and that is a fact also. You are so quick to criticize me, yet I would bet that I give 10 times the amount you do to charity, yet you label me a hater. I have read your posts in here on other subjects, and you are a closed minded left wing liberal racist, who thinks everything your side does is right, and everything your color does is right. Not true. All err, and all make mistakes, and until you can own up to that, and stop labeling everyone that has an opinion contrary to yours, you will continue to be a source of animosity and anxiety to those around you. Straighten up Smiley, I aint out to get you, but man you sure are out to get me, as you constantly attack, attack, attack. If your going to tell me it isnt a problem with all these young cats, in both colors mind you, sitting around collecting government benefits, yet they can afford alcohol and cigarettes non stop, well, thats a problem. This behavior should not be reward with my tax dollars. It is a strain on you and I both, so why would you label me a hater because I want this destruction action stopped? It not only is destructive to the country and its resources that could be better used elsewhere, it is destructive to these young people who are shown day after day that if they lay around and dont do anything, the government will reward them with a handout. That is wrong and destructive, thats all Im saying, and our government continues to allow this. Its wrong.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          Reread your post, it is nothing but spewing of hate and calling people names Attack a mans issues but not the man. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COLOR I AM EITHER. I have no idea how much you give charity but don’t bet its less that me, I give a lot. You are to minister to your fellow man but do not brow beat him and drive him away and lessen his chances to become a christian. You attach the poor by describing them as if they where bums, where did Jesus do that. He was very emphatic to the poor and downtrodden and challenged those of his flock to the same. You can not have it both ways Mark. In one breath you say you care in the next you spew hate on your fellow man. The amount of charity in your case is probably a guilt offering and does not come from the heart, it does not look like it comes from the heart. It also is not right for you to define liberals in your own image, it’s clear to us liberals you have no idea what we are about but you have convinced yourself that anyone you do not agree is beneath you or a liberal worthy only of scorn. Attack a mans issues on what he says his issues are and do not spin his issues and them attack that or never attack the person and describe him as if they are inferior to you and nothing but bums, that is why you have no real creditability. Truth is truth and fact is fact you say, that is true but you do not seem to be able to recognize either when you are confronted with them. Your entire post defines me totally different than who I am which proves my point, your definition of who I am is just your spin on who I am and that is what you are attacking, the Smilee you want me to be not the Smilee I am. That in itself is an act of hate. See your own selfishness, you say This behavior should not be reward with my tax dollars, you want to be able to control it as yours when it is in fact it is ours and all ways of spending it needs to be respected, that’s what conservatives do not understand, If you don’t agree you ridicule others ideas as to how our tax dollars should be spent, get the drift my taxes, not our taxes it defines selflessness. And I believe you are and a selfish person usually hate a lot and I believe you do both a lot. I could point out many of your selfish statements in this same manner. Wallpapering over these traits by saying the bible made me do it is not something to admire. I doubt JESUS WOULD

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I love you Smilee, that why Im trying to enlighten you with the truth.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          And there is also a righteous anger, such as when He had had enough when he caught the money changes in His Fathers house, the temple, and proceeded to tip over their tables and run them out. But you always declare me as angry and mean and unrighteous if I state my opinion. You get downright hateful, but then say it is me. You attack my giving, and even brag on yourself that you give more. Hey man, I really hope you do, because that would be great, and Im all for it. In fact, I probably dont give as much as I should. If you really want to know, Ill tell you. I start with 10 percent right off the top that goes to my church. Then I support our local Rescue Ministries with 25.00 a month, along with other miscellaneous gifts to Make-A-Wish, Atheletes in Action, different Missionaries in our church, and Ive got to Hurricane Katrine relief in Gulfport Mississippi for the last three years for a week, volunteering rebuilding houses down there, doing drywall, laying hardwood and ceramic tile floors, putting up woodwork, roofing, whatever they wanted me to do, all for free. Actually, I pay to go down there and serve. That is why we are here. But I still feel I should do more. Im sorry if I get excited at you sometimes, but dude, I get pretty upset when I see some of the crap the liberals do. I used to be one, but I changed. I used to be the guy that said everythings cool. Drink, drug, party, have sex, whatever makes you happy. I cant be like that anymore, Ive changed. I dont believe in sex before marriage, because God has made that clear that it should be practiced in the sactity of marriage. So of course I dont believe in gay activity, since I believe in God. That goes hand in hand. If someone is doing that, no I dont hate on them, but I dont accept that behavior either. But just so you know, Id be the guy fighting to protect a gay guy if someone were trying to kick his butt

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply: August 11th, 2009 at 9:47 am

          Mark

          There you go again, twisting my words to what you want to hear and not what I said. I have said before and will say it again you truly appear delusional. I have said you are angry and hateful not because I want believe that about you but it is how you portray yourself and what is sad you do not seem to be able to see yourself as you really are. In this post you portray yourself like the Pharisees of Jesus time and how they would also brag about themselves and Jesus took a very dim view of their delusional behavior. I think you do this more to convince yourself how good you are but it in no way impresses me, my only question is why??? You also imply that we liberal are as you said your were and that is you said:

          I get pretty upset when I see some of the crap the liberals do. I used to be one, but I changed. I used to be the guy that said everythings cool. Drink, drug, party, have sex, whatever makes you happy.

          Let me set your sorry ass straight, that does not even come close to how liberals act albeit I’m sure some have just as I am sure some conservatives have acted this way. Did you know that the areas of the country that have the highest concentration of conservatives and religious fanatics also have the highest sales of pornography and sex crimes. Not sure what the right conclusion is on that but it sure should open our eyes about this holier that thou attitudes so many of them, yourself, included portray.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yes. The bleeding heart liberals will all cry about how terrible the rich and their companies are, while these same companies are employing millions and generating billions of dollars of tax revenues, along with making thousands of other business’s thrive. They cry of the neglected poor, who to them are the 20 young poor kids sitting on the porch everyday drinking 40′s and smoking cigs. Yet all these thousands from other countries want to immigrate here. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe because we are still the best country in the world, with the best opportunities in the world, with the best health care in the world, but for some reason the left wing liberal press is all doom and gloom and all they do is paint the black and gray areas, never showing all the prosperity this country has to offer. Barrack and his boys are going to kill a lot of this prosperity, but it will make it back after 2012, so relax.

        • http://aol Don

          You guys or what ever sex, argue too much. You two are spinning your wheels. Do you really think you have change each others’ views one iota. I know you feel you have to because each one is attacking each other on a personnal level. As a third party, you guys are trying to see who the is the most intellectual. Smilee has to be declared the winner because he had enough pride to stop. Mark, you do sound like you are full of hate. Let God do the job of judging these people. It is not your job, but if you need to do so come from the side of love and compassion rather than hate. Yes, everyone hates to see these people destroy their lives.

    • HW Baker

      Better get your facts straight. Barney”I want a Jumbo” Franks and the rest of the democrats that ran our banking systems were the morons that led us down that losing road. They think and I would assume you think everyone should have everything even if you can’t afford it. Thats what did our system in, everyone has a big house, and a fancy new high dollar car they can’t afford. Just keep taxing those of us lucky enough to still have a job more and more until theres no one left working to support all the give away programs. Wake up!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yep, keep taxing all these “evil business’s”, you know, the ones that pay 80 percent of the taxes in this country, and soon they will all move to Canada and Mexico, then where is all the money going to come from to pay for the left wing liberal pacifist appeasers social programs? I dont mind paying my taxes to support the school systems, build roads and bridges and such, but I am so against my hard earned tax dollars going to illegal immigrants that broke the law getting here, to giving unemployement checks to 25 year old boys who sit on someones front porch everyday, and I do mean everyday, drinking beer from 40 oz bottles and smoking cigarettes, week, and crack. Make them take a piss test if your going to reward them for not working. I have to take one to work, maybe they should have to pass one not to work. Now theres an idea. Think of all the money the government would save if you kicked those who turned up dirty off the hand out list. My my, millions of dollars right there. And the banking fiasco, yeah, Jamie Gorelick and Franklin Raines wrote themselves and their dem pals millions of dollars in bonusus while draining the Freddie Mac-Fannie Mae funds, under the watchdog eye of Barney Frank as you stated, and sank the banks, all set up by wonderboy, Bill Clinton. Why has he been given such a pass on things? My God, how many people did he have murdered over the Mena Arkansas drug ring? Vince Foster, Ron Brown. This guy is dirty as they come.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats because the left’s hero, the pervert Bill Clinton, set up using Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac money, to loan to people who didnt have a snow balls chance in hell of paying it back, you know, so they could live the American dream of owning a house. So the government backed these bad loans, that got so big they sucked all the money out of it, partly because top ranking democrats Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick who ran this thing, were writing million dollars bonuses like drunken sailors to their dem friends, and watchdog Barney Frank shot down the investigation into it two years before the collapse, as Clinton had appointed him as the head of the oversight committee on this. He shot down Bush’s request for an investigation, saying there was no need that he allready did it and everything was “cool”. I guess Raines and Gorelick werent done writing checks yet. Somehow later, the left tried to blame this on Bush also. Ever notice how nothing is ever their fault?

    • s c

      We can’t afford another war? Tell it to B O and his home-grown, congressional prosties! Is B O the new George Bush? How’s your memory? Remember all those ‘keepers of the moral compass’ who wanted us OUT of that part of the world? How typical of the lib mindset, which drifts from one position to another on a daily basis (and we’re expected to see that crap as leadership?). Absolute, world-class hypocrisy is the way to describe b o and his classic sociopath herd. Grab a history book. Look back to roughly 1915. Find all the many names of libs in the White House when America went to war. Just because libs hate facts doesn’t mean that America is obligated to self-destruct to make p c losers happy. This is America – not Russia.
      for it. Your ‘leader’ is a reincarnated Karl Marx. What did Marx do for the world? Does B O think he lives in old Russia? On what planet do ultralibs find such people?

      • eric

        I couldn’t agree more, but I’m feared you have the guts to say that. Our Gov’t now doesn’t take kindly to any negative speaks on their agenda. Watch your back, you might go missing, no joke………

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        It really isnt so much Barack, as he is just the figure head. It is the democrat party. Obama cant do anything without the congress and his dem buddies going along. Actually, he has proven he has no ideas, no plans, and no course of action. He just reads what they write on his telestrater. They keep telling him what to do and what to say, and it is all blowing up in their faces, only their faces are hidden, and his isnt. So what is going to happen, is America is quickly getting tired of this bullcrap the left wing liberal pacifist appeasers are doing, and they are becoming aware of it quickly, and they will soon throw old Barack under the bus to save themselves. You watch and see. Thats how the moral compass of the left works. Their ownly vested interest is in themselves. They dont care about America, and they dont care about their fellow dems, only themselves. Watch and see what they do when most of them are voted out in 2010, before the 2012 election, Obama will be out and Hillary or someone else will be in.

    • Cathy Lowry

      Yvonne: Obama thinks that if we “just dialogue” with world leaders….just talk to them…. then we can live in peace with them. Wrong! World leaders “respect” a country’s strength…. whether they like that country or not. Strength in military power, strength that what the U.S. says, will be backed up. They don’t respect spineless talk, with sanctions instilled over and over again, accomplishing nothing. All that does is give other countries the will to ramp up their weapons and nuclear capabilities, and their threatening rhetoric. They don’t respect our president bowing to them. They laugh behind Obama’s back and see him as weak. “Just dialoguing” works with
      children, not with countries who are our enemies and intent on bringing the U.S. down!

      • http://aol Don

        Dialogue is better than having thousands of people going to war and killing each other, because one ruler tells another that he has to do something a certain way. Cooperation can prevent a catastrophe

        • s c

          Ever heard of a first-class loser named Neville Chamberlain? He’s the English boob who went to Germany to appease Hitler.
          Hitler not only saw him coming, he played the twit like a cheap violin. The result was England’s entry into the European conflict (aka WWII). Good intentions in politics is worthless. Chamberlain proved that.
          Bending over backwards to please a tyrant is like playing Russian roulette with all the chambers loaded. We’re supposed to trust in a false ‘leader’ who is intent on destroying our economy so he can ‘rebuild’ it?
          B O has NO specific plan for health care ‘reform.’ He never did. His flunkies in Congress aren’t inclined to read anything (let alone do their job). Open your eyes, Don. You’re being used. America deserves leadership – not a defective ventriloquist.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah, like having dialogue with Saddam Hussein for 13 years, and having him say, sure, ok, then just totally disregarding everything he was told, and lying about everything he said. You cannot have dialogue with any terrorist regimes, or you believe in fairy tales. They will tell you want they want you to hear, and just not act on it. Pacifism and appeasement are 100 percent ways of failure, and everyone and every place that has every tried this, has failed and lost. Its a surefire path to defeat. Other countries have one ruler that says things have to be this way or that way, but in the United States, we have this thing called congress, where many heads have to agree to do something before it is done. All the left keeps blaming Bush for everything, when Bush couldnt do anything without congress, which mostly was a democratic congress. Right now all the right keeps blaming Obama for all the bullcrap the left is doing, but it isnt him, its congress that keeps wanting to do all this stuff that keeps blowing up in their face. Both Bush and Obama were and are the figureheads of their political parties, but congress runs the show. Now Bush did put forward some good ideas, some they went with, some they didnt. Obama hasnt put forward any good ideas, and his apologizing tour has been very damning for our country.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah Don, like the 13 years of talking with Saddam Hussein and NATO? That dialogue worked real good. You cant have dialogue with those who have stated again and again and again, they will kill you, they wont stop till they kill you, and they will die trying to kill you. Do you get it yet Don? They dont want to talk, they want to kill you brother, understand? You really that brazenly bold that you think you can talk them out of an ideal that has been drummed in their head since birth? Go ahead and try, and good luck. It aint happening though, Im here to say. Its not like you and I talking, where we might convince each other of something. No, they are set in the sights on one thing, the destruction of Israel and the United States, and thats it. No amount of dialogue or money or anthing is ever going to change that.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats fine and dandy, and I would agree except for one thing. We are dealing with an enemy that has vowed to kill us, will not quit until they kill us, and will kill themselves to kill us. You cannot negotiate and talk with people like this. They will laugh in your face why they are figuring out how to slice your throat open. This is the facts. You cannot sit down and talk these guys out of an ideal that has been drummed into their head since birth, that they need to kill us. You cannot appease and pacify these guys. They want us dead, and will not stop no matter what until they suceed or die trying. Is there any part of this you dont understand? And it has nothing to do with us being over there. Nothing to do with the Iraq war. Its all about them being Muslim, and America being a Christian nation. They have to kill the truth, Christianity, in order for their false religion to suceed. But it is doomed in the end, as it has all been pre-ordained when Jesus took the nails on the cross for us. He will come again in power, and they will all be destroyed, and deep inside they know this. Thats why Satan has control over them to try to kill the Christians. Like the Bible says, our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against evil forces. Its evil vs. good. Do you understand yet? Dont sit down and talk peace with them, they want you dead.

  • http://shirleyrigsby@sbcglobal.net shirleyrigsby

    IF my memory serves me right, this same world currency idea began with elder pres, bush, inc, Jim Baker, etc, it was SHOT DOWN, now, we have this president who wants to change all the rules pertaining to our US constituion , it is a sad day for our beloved country, for all the service men & women from world War2, my brother included, this has to be the most arrogant self centered mind boggling ideaYET…..At the rate we are going now, a major recession relative to 1929 looms on the Horizon, I read wherein Pres, Obama, allocated many millions to state of illinois( his home state) one of the most corrupt in the nation, Wake up America, life will never be the same as we knew it, RE: HEALTH CARE, one idiot stated, no need to dispense care to 80 & up, they were going to die anyway, How many idiots in Washington believe they will never die,, ???

    • elvi

      That is correct Obama same as J. F. Kennedy was is very involved with the mafia although he denies it , but quite true and make himself look like a savior and a saint when he is neither. Lucifer couldn’t do a better job of destroying the US than him. He has an agenda alright and I’m sure United States won’t let this happen.
      Poor Lincoln and Roosevelt they must be turning in their graves!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Roosevelt was a lying crook also.

    • http://pandabeads.com Michelle Richardson

      You are correct and Bush sr., jr. and obama are all progressives. They are from the same mold. The difference is is that these neocons believe they must mandate morality and Obama believes he must oppress decent and individual rights into a collective. Either way they are both for big government involved in our daily lives. It is wrong!!

      • Earlw

        Barack Obama is a student of the Saul Alinsky school of thought..as is Hillary clinton. His published work was “Rules for radicals”, essentially a Marxist handbook. It is said by some that he was raised and tutored by a certain Frank Marshall Davis, another marxist and black panther, I beleive. Then ther’s the issue of his association with Bernadine Dohrn and the professor whose name just escaped me ( I’m old )that is also a certified marxist………….I see a commie trail!

        Need more? Study up!

        • http://aol Don

          Some of you are saying Obama is in the Mafia, a Muslim, in the Alinsky philosophy, tutored by Davis, a marxist, and a black panther all at the same time. Do you know that these isms contradict each other.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        How can you say Obama wants to dictate morality? Are you shittin me? The left has no morals. They kill babies, they now use our tax dollars to kill babies in third world countries, they pass extra protectionary laws for gays and provide them a pedestal to stand on. They support the enemies of the United States, and want to sit down and have dinner with them while they are trying to kill us. They kick God out of everywhere, and the name Jesus isnt allowed to be said around them. They have no morals. As for the Bush’s, they do have morals, and they way they live their lives prove it. But as for pushing them onto people, it never happened, and it couldnt happen. Only congress has the power to do that.

    • Brian

      Shirley R You are so right I thank you

  • Delaune

    Support the FAIR TAX and we can put the US Dollar at the forefront of the world economy. It is amazing how few people are aware of what the Fair Tax can do for the US economy, and how much revenue it will generate. Don’t take my word for it do the research yourselves.

    • jimster

      The FAIR TAX will never be passed because the power to tax is the power to shape society. Do you really think the government will give up that power?

      • Delaune

        That is the underlying problem with this country. The government has to much power. It was designed to be as Lincoln said “GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE , BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE” not a government of elitist who crave personal power and corruption over the greater good of the COUNTRY. Now I am sure that there are some politicians who want what is best for the country and support the FAIR TAX, what we need to do as citizens of this nation is elect people who want to change the tax code so everyone pays their FAIR SHARE.

    • DaveH

      Delaune,
      I agree, and I do think we can achieve the Fair Tax if enough citizens wake up and let their legislators know that we are tired of jumping through the Income Tax hoops like a bunch of trained circus animals. Income tax, though, is just one of many problems that have been created by our out of control government. I saw a lady on Fox Newchannel sreaming at her legislator “If you think this healthcare system you propose is so wonderful, then why don’t you put yourselves (the legislators) on the same system?”. That is a large part of our current problems. The Governing class regularly exempts themselves from the rules that they pass onto the rest of us. These and other things they do, show complete contempt of the citizens and we need to respond by getting better educated about their political stunts and letting them know that we our going to vote their raggedy butts out of office if they don’t start showing respect to us.

      • http://aol Don

        You should listen to Obama. He is trying to put us on the same system that the senators are on.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          So we wont have to pay taxes either?

      • http://aol Don

        Sorry, if you are a millionaire you will have to pay 6000, but that is a drop in the bucket. I’m no where close to being a millionaire, and pay 7000 for my son and wife. My employee pays for mine.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          7000 for what? Health insurance for a year or what? Shoot I thought I paid to much. My family insurance is 60.00 a week, which adds up to $3120.00 per year, but I dont have to pay taxes on this. Its free for me also, but I pay to carry my wife, who started a new job. Once she has been there, I drop it and dont pay anything. The funny thing I dont get about it, is that carrying my wife is the family package. If I had 5 kids, its still the family package, at the same cost. If I had 15 kids, its still the same. You would think there would different amounts for the amount you are carrying on it, but not so here.

  • Donna Marshall

    I agree with Cathy. The interest of America or its people is no where to be found in the Obama administration. If the American people would only investigate and listen to his own words, it would be obvious. I pray to God that America will wake up before it is too late. And that time, I fear, is very close.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      It will. In 2010 most of the left will be voted out, and in 2012, the rest will follow. Im very confident America has learned a quick lesson about buying into someone yelling change change change, without looking into who is saying it, and what change they are talking about. Thing is nothing has changed, its the same liberal playbook – expand government and create more social agencies and raise taxes to pay for them. Thats it. But all this talk of impeachment and taking over is pretty much unfounded. He is just another left wing politician, no more, no less.

  • Robert

    Obama is irrelevant. The economy cannot be revived no matter who is in office. Obama will just accelerate the collapse. The good news is the federal government will cease to exist. Shrinking GDP nearly 1/3 of which is based on crime, disease, and insurance to pay for it cannot sustain 65T in obligations and rising. Federal tax revenues from corporations has fallen 100% since 2005 and 45% for individuals. Even if Obama taxes to the hilt he cannot cover these expenses. Our fate is sealed.

    • http://Yahoo Loe’

      Robert, let me correct your thinking…..the people of America will never let this country sink…the patriotic spirit that exists in our hearts and souls will make us pull together and fight whatever and whoever tries to harm us….

      We have fought great wars and have lost many loved ones and their spirits still exist and we honor their courage to protect us and ours…

      Things look really bad right now but WE THE PEOPLE MUST NOT LET THE GOVERNMENT RUIN OUR COUNTRY…MARCH, MARCH, MARCH.

      IF WE STAND TOGETHER WE WILL WIN TOGETHER.

      • eric

        You hit it rite on the head, Remember this an;y Gov’t strong and powerful enough to give you everything you want, can take away anything you got. Study your history books, how many times does the past repeat itself, before the lesson is learned………

    • http://aol Don

      You should listen to your leader, Limbaugh. For 8 years he said not to be concerned about national debt.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Well, until this guy named Obama came along, and spent more in 8 months than than the guy before him did in 8 years. Yep, its time to start worrying about it now pal. And the guy before him, had to spend for a war, Hurricane Katrina and 9-11. Those cost quite a bit. Whats this guy got to show? Some rich guy bought a new car and saved 4500.00. Yeah, thats where its going.

        • http://aol Don

          Obama needed to have the stimulus money or else the effects would have tanked this nation, quickly. This is why the republican leader Limbaugh is against it – the money is keeping things going for now. Limbaugh wants total destruction, and he makes no bones about it. I disagree with you on spending for the war. We did not have to give all all money towards the war, but us going back and forth about the war will go nowhere. Katrina – Busch even admitted he screwed up on this. 9/11 – what was Bush saying a couple of weeks before 9/11? He was bragging about breaking Reagan’s vacation time. At least Obama is trying to get this nation back on it’s feet from the past administration’s lack of effort.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I have to disagree. This stimulus money is a joke. I know too many people that are making real good money, that were in the market for a car, so now the government gives them 4500.00. How is this benefitting those in need? The sale would have been made anyhow, but now 4500.00 in tax dollars gets spent, because actually this was a slick watch my one hand while the other pulls the trick, where they got this money and diverted it to this baloney. Im pretty sure it is nationwide also, as it is here in Indiana, where these dealers have sold all these cars, trashed the “clunkers” as the law dictates, but the government has not, I repeat, has not paid them one cent, let alone the 4500.00 per car. They are starting to get real nervous here. Some lots are now selling cars, and will not release them to the public until Uncle Sam pays them, and customers are cancelling sales and getting their money back. If the government is stiffing them here, Im pretty sure its nationwide. Just another example of incompetance in government. And Im not sure what your saying about the war, in not giving towards it, but it costs to run a war, and Im one American that is glad they stopped this guy before he grew into another Hitler. We all know how that went when that guy went unchecked for too long. Obama is not getting us back on our feet at all, and I dont know where you are getting that. More and more are becoming unemployed everyday, and those that allready were, who mostly want to be that way, are getting rewarded handsomly for their efforts not to work by this administration, by giving them not only more unemployment benefits, but for a longer time. We all know that soon the new tax bills will be coming out, and more business like the one I work for, will have to allow more cash for taxes, and more people are going to get laid off. When you run the presses around the clock like this guy is doing, and keep giving money to those who dont deserve it, bad things happen, and will stockpile more and more. When those who apply themselves and work and become successful, are punished for it, and they see the rewards being piled on the people who have chosen not to educate themselves, chosen to do drugs and alcohol, and chosen not to work, just what is the motivation to not only the youth growing up, but to the successful businessman? Why not move to Mexico or Canada, if your own government continually punishes you for being successful, by taxing you more and more. Then they see the failures, such as the banks (thank you Bill Clinton, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, Barney Frank & Co,), failures like GM and Chrysler, where rampant corruption with the mobs and the unions, and bad contracts have saddled them for so long, then the government rewards them by giving them billions, so that all their workers will vote for them next election. Sorry, we are not on the right track, and for you to insinuate such, shows your lack of education on the situation of todays current events. Im not saying your uneducated, you could have a masters or PHD for all I know, but your not educated in todays current affairs to make the statement you just made. We would have been a lot better off in the long run to let the banks fold that screwed up, and let the successful ones that have shown they know how to do business take these losers over. Same with GM and Chrysler. Let them close, and let someone else take a shot. This is chasing bad money with good money, and its not going anywhere. They dont know how to do business, and when their workers dictate to them as to when and how they will work, its no secret why they are in trouble. Add to that greedy corporate types running the place, its management against union workers to see who can get the most, and screw the company in the process. Kind of like the current Democrat versus Republicans, where most these cats want everything for themselves, and screw the people. That is where we are at, but clearly, this guy and his admin are screwing it up real bad. Things were going well until the fears of a democrat winning the election came about, and thats when things started turning. Look back at the time frame, its a fact. And if you look forward to 2010 and 2012 when the tax monsters are all voted out, we will again find prosperity, but not until then. This admin is more about sucking up to the enemy and representing them, than they are about representing the American people. You guys are in office for one thing, to represent us Americans. We are not represented when you give terrorist prisoners lawyers. We are not represented when you apologize to terrorist nations for us being such a successful country. No, you are representing the enemy, and I for one detest this. Trying to get us back on our feet – Hardly. Putting us on our ass is more like it. The past admin did wonderful things, including, in case you forgot, more people working in America than ever before in history, and the lowest unemployement rate in history. The stock market at an all time high. I remember when the news was blasting Bush, when it was dropping, that it was at its lowest point since 2002, and I started looking, and it had DROPPED to where Clinton had it at its highest. Whats up with that? Plus, Bush and his efforts freed millions of people, that when history passes, as it will, will go down as one of the greatest achievements ever. So keep pointing the finger at Bush, and when Obama continues to attempt to take us down and turn us into an Islamic hotbed, maybe you and your lefty buddies can figure out how to pin that on Bush also. Unreal.

  • Earl

    According to Yvonne, “America can not afford another war at this time. That’s hilarious. “America could not afford another war at this time, that’s for sure”. On Yvonne’s basis, we would have never fought WWII. Economically speaking, it was even worse then, we were in a “depression” not a “recession”.

    Yvonne’s approach would have turned us all into lampshades or we would have been used us for human medical experiments which is what some of Obamas medical advisors (i.e. Rohm Emmanuel’s brother) would like to see happen with the most vulnerable in our society; the new-born and those over 65!

    Obama will do anything to make him look good in the world’s eyes which will cause Michelle Obama to be proud to be an American for one of the few times in her adult life.

    • Jeff

      I agree. We must stand against our enemies and we must stand for our principles. This sometimes means war. If we do nothing, we will be nothing.

      • DixieConnie

        You will either stand for something or you will fall for anything.

      • http://aol Don

        Just as long as you go about it in the correct way. Shooting police as some people are referring to never has solved anything. I witnessed this in Detroit during the 1967 riots. Some of those police might have the same beliefs as you do.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I for one Don, like the police. These guys put their life on the line everyday, and constantly arrest criminals, who go into court and have some left wing liberal judge set them free. Very frustrating for these guys. I support the police and the crap they have to put up with, both from politicians and the public who often mislabel them. These guys are there when I need them, and I fully support them.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Peace is only achieved with force. Pacifism is a sure fire way to defeat. If you dont fight for peace, you wont have it. That is a fact that has proven to be correct over and over and over again.

    • Malachi

      Good point. Maybe according to the socialist People’s Party (Dems) it would be our “patriotic duty” and a good cultural experiance if some of us were truned into lampshades. They say “Never Again” but maintain similar policies to those that caused the world to say “never again.” True American Patriotism (evil, supernational, fascist, theocratic, right-wing extremism) is the only obstacle to Change and Obama, its prophet.

      • eric

        Pat yourself on the back, your words are sooooo true…….

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      That woman is more street than any Ive ever seen that was supposedly educated.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yvonee is a pacifist appeaser. She wants to invite these evil bastards into her house, and cook them dinner and give them a nice glass of wine, and ask them to play nice with us, while they are sharpening their knife to cut her throat with, right in front of her, but she doesnt see it, because she is convinced that by talking to them she can change they way they feel about us. Right. Good luck with that.

  • http://pandabeads.com Michelle Richardson

    I am a conservative liberatarian and as all constitutional watchdogs feel the progressive movement ruined marriage. Before the movement homosexual lived together with little problems. I feel that our government is too involved in the business of defining marriage when it is the churches duty. I am morally against gay marriage but feel that our government has no constitutional authority to mandate marriage. Our churches invented marriage and they should be the authority for marrying individuals. If a church founded by gay people wants to marry them then so be it. I am against it but I feel i have no right to mandate my christian values on to others who do not share them. God is the one to decide no me or my government.

    • Brian

      Welcome to the new socialist progressives. Big Gov is here and if O has his way it will be here to stay. The Gays who are also very powerful because they are united as a group have made this issue bigger and badder than it should be.They have money and they do vote their agenda straight up.
      Think about this ~ conservative or liberal straight family values, community and spiritually minded groups have no representation right now. We are off the radar screen.
      O wants all the people to depend on His Gov so that He gets the votes and support as He did now with His base which is basically everyone who is not working, does not want to work and wants the system to take care of them. The reason being this group will vote for him they are easy to control because they need gov assistance. The immigration issue has disappeared because He wants a speedy normalization for all new and illegals so he can capture their vote.
      The America of 30 years ago is now gone and we are in for a change I think will shock everyone when they realize O and Harry and Nancy have nothing more in their agenda than to retain power in the congress and the executive branch. Than the supreme court will be changed as well. They will sell the soul of this country to maintain that power too. They are all crazy but like a fox.

      • http://aol Don

        You love to stereotype people. Judge people by their effort and circumstances. People voted for Obama because they wanted the people who are power hungry to get out of the system. They will eventually do the same to Obama.

        • Cathy Lowry

          If that happens, Praise God. Obama IS power hungry!

        • Brian

          Hi Don
          Have a nice day

        • AIM HIGH

          DON… They say ignorance and stupidity are bliss and you area living example.
          To solve the small American health care problem you need to do 2) things requiring only1 sheet of paper not the over 1300 pages that the Congress and bo have
          As Follows…..
          We the Citizens of the United States of America will after (fill in a date 6 months hence) will not provide health care to any immigrant that cannot provide legal proof of entry. Should an Illegal Immigrant be injured from any means of transportation( bus ,car,train etc.) and if it is found that they are not at fault the owner of said transport vehicle becomes the sole payee for care. If injuries are as a result of the Illega Immigrants own neglegence then we the United State will provide emergency care to stabelize for transport to their home country. Their Governments will be billed accordingly and or sums will be deducted from their IMF or UN accounts.Their abilities to pursue legal actions will be limited and equal only in terms of income earned in their home countries
          Lawyers fees for legal action for any case involving an Illegal Immigrant or Citizens against any Health Care Facility or Practicioner will be restricted to 10% of damages and reasonable expenses. Legal expenses to all lawyers will be determined by a pannel of independent citizens. Independent Citizen Pannel. (ICP) Independent Citizen Pannel members to be obtained from property tax rolls .
          Citizens who believe that they want/need free Homes, Cars, Health Care ,Food ,Education and all creature comforts provided by the Government are free to select /buy land that they can inhabit. They will then forfeit ownership of everything including lands ,homes and contents as nothing will belong to them as all has been provided at the Governments discression. No salaries will be paid ,no additional goods or services will be provided and to maintain the spirit of equality nothing can be obtained by the Citizens unless deemed necessary by the Government as all that the people need will be provided
          Americans wake up there has to be benefits to being an American Citizen. If you Americans extend all your Citizenship Rights to every visitor thinking you are extending the hand of freedom and fairness understand we will not extend such benefits to you . We do not see it as fair in fact we for the most part after we get over the shock of such stupidity laugh our asses off at how easy it would be for our various country men could take you country over
          using your own misguided ideas against you in the mean time we will use all and take everything you have to give and maybe some of us will work as hard or harder than you do as we bought into the American Dream ,then again some may not work at all as they feel you owe all that you have to them.
          Thanks to people like Don and Smiley following Obama and his merry band of crooks America will loose at every turn.

        • Smilee

          AIM HIGH Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

          Problem is when you aim to high you miss the target, you sure did and despite your large volume of words you say nothing that will solve the real problem, probably solve it in your own mind but the problem is obviously to big a problem for such a small mind therefore it can produced no solutions

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Your right to a point. Difference being, Obama’s own party will throw him under the bus to save face, so that their political careers can keep going. You watch and see. They see it all falling apart allready, as misdecision after misdecision is being made. Obama is just the facepiece. But his own kind will sacrifice him to save their own hides, and they will attempt to run Hillary or someone else in 2012. Mark my words.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          No, they voted for Obama because that is the power of advertising. They heard change-change-change for months, and bought into it. Just like Miller Lite. Worst tasting beer ever made. But kids growing up see it on TV and hear about it and Bud day after day after day, what do you think they are going to drink when they start drinking? You got it. Miller Lite and Bud. Thats why they are #1 and #2, the power of advertising. Barrack used this, and despite not putting forth a plan or course of action, and not haveing to say much except change-change-change, he got elected. Yes, the power of advertising. We humans are so easily let amuck.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No, not at all. They voted for Obama, because he spent millions and millions of dollars, to appear on the brain suckers in their living rooms, saying change-change-change over and over and over, and instead of investigating and demanding he tell them some sort of plan or presenting some sort of an idea of what he would do, or even as to who he is, the public bought into the marketing of change-change-change, all in part, because for the last 8 years, the American media of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC had told the American public that we needed change. It was a hell of a marketing ploy, and he actually bought the election with advertising. Look, its like this. I drink beer, OK. Miller Lite is the worst tasting stuff Ive ever tried as far as beer goes. The way they make it is to make a half a vat of beer, then fill it up with water. Cheaply made. It tastes like that to, like I poured a half a glass of beer and filled it up the rest of the way with water. Nasty tasting stuff. But it sells in mass quantities, because it goes on TV and tells people its good, and its a status sports thing drinking Miller Lite. Oh the power of advertising. Worst tasting stuff is a big seller like that. Thats exactly how Obama got elected – advertising. And again, a rotten taste is left in our mouths.

      • http://aol Don

        You must love the government of Iran. They never had a problem with gays – they kill them.

        • eric

          What’s it going to take to get this overly medicated, stupid, brainwashed, subservient, libs, to stop this yet to be named agenda. I know that they’re dumb and blind. But can’t they see what’s happening rite before their eyes, or maybe that’s what they really want…..

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          So if they dont change their ways before they die on earth, what do you think God’s going to do with them? According to His word, He is going to tell them that since they wanted nothing to do with Him here on earth, He will send them to a place where they will never ever hear His name again. Yeah, its like that.

    • DaveH

      Yay Michelle. I am also Libertarian. You are a true freedom-lover.

    • Smilee

      Michelle Richardson on August 5th, 2009 at 11:09 am:

      It is conservatives that want to define marriage in law and limit it to whom they want , gays want it for everyone and want no law defining it. The constitution does not have any definition of marriage and no law or the constitution tells any church how they should deal with marriage and it is mostly conservatives that want it as law, you know the limited government crowd, only want the government involved when they want to take away some one else’s freedoms away.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        They have not had the freedom to marry, so nothing is being taken away. You suggest adding that for them, and I respect your right to that opinion, thats what makes America great, we are all free to have our opinions. Hey some of mine are right, some are wrong, some of yours are right, some are wrong, but we are free to make them. Marriage is, by God’s own direction in the Bible, between a woman and a man, “for this reason a man shall leave his parents and take a wife, and they will become one flesh”. If they want gays to have marriage, allthough Im against it, I say let them, because a marriage is a holy vow before God, and it isnt any threat to mine. Its not real, and what I mean by that is, I could set a bunch of guys in place and call me president, but it doesnt mean that I am. But as for your saying it takes someones freedoms away, you cant take away what wasnt there. Thats all Im saying. Dont hate me for my opinion. It may be wrong in your eye, and thats fine, but being a free American, I also am entitled to my opinion, kapish?

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply: August 7th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

          First I do not hate you, second I do not disagree with your biblical interpretation about marriage, third, where I believe we differ, I believe the constitution separates church and state and marriage under our laws for anyone is not a church doctrine or belief and the constitution will not allow the law to discriminate one person over another. The courts have not ruled on this issue so for you to say that this is freedom that can’t be taken away if it was never had. When an issue in a dispute has not been ruled on one cannot accurately conclude the freedom was not there it means it has just not been enforced. The same has been true about many such issues on church-state separation that for years before the ruling we allowed even though it was unconstitutional prayer in public school and many other similar issues. The same was true about abortion, in both cases the constitution was not changed but when the issue came before the court and they had to then determine if we had been correctly enforcing the constitution prior to that time they ruled and corrected us from that point in time forward. The same is true of marriage and many of us believe the constitution does not mandate that marriage is just between a man and a woman and has nothing what so ever to do with church doctrine but with equal freedoms for all. Conservatives have made it quite clear that no matter what the constitution says they want the judges from the bench to change the constitution to meet with their religious beliefs. They are the ones who actually want activist judges and when the judges interpret the constitution correctly but they do not get the outcome that you want you call them activist judges and seem to be incapable of understanding these issues correctly. Further I have never said anywhere on here what my personal preference for marriage is, however, I believe that even when I do not agree with the constitution I feel it has to followed even when It is against what I believe or want. Abortion is a clear example of this, I personally do not believe in it, but my reading of the constitution is that Roe v Wade was an correct interpretations even though for me I disagree with this outcome I believe I have to respect the law. There is a means to change the constitution but in this case I do not believe it would have the votes for this to succeed.

          I do not think our religious convictions differ that much, where we differ is that I think the constitution has to be followed even when it differs and especially if it differs with our religious doctrines. I believe strongly in the separation of church of state because with out it we would have a lot more disharmony in out multicultural society.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Yeah, what happened to their cry of separation of Church and State? The government should not be involved in this, or they are in direct defiance of separation of Church and State. I guess your only allowed to use that if it fits ones left wing liberal agenda of bringing more evil into the world.

  • http://pandabeads.com Michelle Richardson

    oops answered the wrong article. With the monetary system Obama has no constitutional authority to take our sovereignty away and bring us into the union with Europe. I think if he does that he will be impeached.

    • joanppgreen

      Don’t hold your breath on anyone impeaching O’bama…..it’s not in the cards….let go….and let God do HIS job!

      • john

        i trust…i am here for some reason
        i keep awake to know
        when my time comes
        to do what’s to be done
        and i pray our Lord be pleased!

        • joanppgreen

          “Right on!”

      • Smilee

        You do have to have a reason to impeach, that’swhere impeachments start and none exists here so like you said don’t hold your breath

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Ok Smilee, you scored a point. Factual post, and I agree. Nothing yet done to even approach impeachment.

  • Chris

    If any of you are people of faith, then you know what is happening here. Sadly, our country and all of its wonderful institutions WILL collapse. Someone earlier mentioned anti-christ…yup. A one world ruler…currency…military…relegion. Obama is leveling the playing field. Making us equals to the rest of the world. So sad…but inevitable. Prophecy being fufilled before our very eyes! Scary, amazing, surreal? Best thing we can do is prepare ourselves for the coming chaos, and yes, it is coming! Banks collapse, food shortages, riots in the streets (once people find out they have lost all in a financial collapse), robbing, killing, etc. Life as we know it is ending without a doubt, but, i know where my security lies, and it is not in the hands of the obamanation.

    • joanppgreen

      AMEN to that!

    • DixieConnie

      Chris: other than having God and Christ on your side, what other provisions are you taking?

    • sabra

      Chris you are so right! I had a teacher who more than 30 years ago told our class that if you want to know what is going on in the world keep your eye on Israel. Bible prophecy concerns Israel and the unbelieving nations. There are a lot of us who “know where our security lies” and trust the One who wrote history in advance.
      DixieConnie, we really don’t need any provisions other than Christ, but He does expect us to be prudent and to share what we have with other believers when times are hard. Believe it or not, God does provide all that we need including strength, wisdom and confidence in the one and only God.

    • http://aol Don

      Yes, greed can kill any nation.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        And I believe also Don, that is why we have such a problem with corruption in our current political state, because whenever you have access to large amounts of money like this, corruption is rampant, especially when its someone elses’s money. I agree.

  • SALIS

    This country has to wake up soon, if this administration keeps going on the way it has been, we may soon reach the point of no return and we will no longer be a republic as the founding fathers had envisioned. Our constitution will be trashed and made to seem irrelevant. Free speech will no longer be tolerated and states rights will be nonexistant and totally subservient to bigger and bigger federal government. It seems to me that our senators and representatives are no longer listening to their constituents. It will not be long before we start to hear the cries for freedom and talk of secession of some of our states. It has happened before and it will mean the destruction of the country we love.

  • Brian

    Do We need a revolution ~ Has Acorn corrupted the voting system using powerful money from people such as George Soros and others? The grass root campaign looked so authentic but is it? I know one thing the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights
    are being put aside and these rights are only good when good men and woman have our country at heart for which our founding Fathers spent their fortunes and blood on. Their aim was to ensure that we have our Freedoms as “individuals” each man and woman make his life free from goverment interference

    • Brian Rawls

      We do indeed need one.

    • DaveH

      Revolutions rarely solve anything. Ours was an unusual one. The much more common case is to go from the hands of one dictator into the hands of another dictator.
      I do, however, think that the state legislators (spurred by the voters) need to do something to stop the Federal government’s abuse of power. Hopefully, that would not result in a Civil War. When the states joined the union, they did so with the rules of the game being the Constitution. Would anyone play a game with someone who ignores the rules? So, the states have a very good reason to insist that the Constitution be obeyed by the Federal Government.

    • eric

      Ooooyea rite on target. But what’s it’s going to take. Some of my Liberal friends, I no longer talk to. Think Obama and the Libs are doing great. I know that there stupid f—ings morons. If the elections are rigged like Al Frankin, who could have never won a fair election, what do we do, short or full blown revolt……….

  • trevinoj

    How right you all are. History and mankind are coming from the bullying system. This is a system where the one with the most military might has the power to do as he pleases. We are accustomed to it, we feel comfortable in it, we are on top of the world and should defend it any way we can. It is easy. All the President has to do is just follow his predecessor’s footsteps. However, we should acknowledge that we are no longer the same world as in the past. Today as never before, we are world with 7 billion people, that the poles are melting, that more than 5.7 billion people or 80% of the population in the planet are dreadfully poor. That from the 307 million Americans 15% are very poor, and only 3 million Americans are very rich. However, the 230 million Americans which are in debt eagerly support big interests groups because we have a good perception of them. Like, Exxon for instance, is the largest company in the world with more than 487 billion in revenue. They are so good, that in 2008 when all of us were having hard economic times, they made the largest profits ever, with 42 billion. The financial system is good as can be attested by our own financial well being. We do have 3 million very rich people and another 29 million not so bad off. Any system change that could jeopardize this well being needs to be rejected. Probably Brian Ludin is right, because he has a lot to loose. Obama should uphold the dollar reserve in the financial system because at least 32 million American are OK.

    • http://aol Don

      I think most of these people responding would agree with you. Most people responding think Obama is all about power. Bush was all about greed and power.

      • Mary

        Explain to me what you mean “Bush was all about greed.”

        • Smilee

          Slept through the last 8 years did you

      • eric

        What’s the problem, I’m no genus so why doesn’t everyone else see the deal. I think maybe Bush 2 set up the whole situation that gave us Obama. His dad was the 1 that gave us nafda, formally the head of the CIA, and high Mason, how much more world connected can you be, one of the Builderburg’s or Rothchield’s.

    • DaveH

      Neither Obama nor Bush nor Clinton has made this Federal Government bigger by themselves. They have all contributed, although Obama’s efforts to grow the government dwarfs the efforts by all previous predecessors. Imagine, Trevinoj, if those 5.7 billion you speak of, get to split up our assets evenly. Even our poorest people would suffer from that move. The “politics of envy” has never advanced a country’s economy for long. What makes an economy strong is productivity, pure and simple. And whatever promotes productivity produces a stronger economy. If we take from the rich and give to the poor, then the rich (who are the actual providers of jobs) will of course slack off, and the poor sure aren’t going to work any harder. This will cause productivity to go down meaning fewer goods in the economy and lower standard of livings for everyone. If redistribution of wealth was the answer, then all any country would need to do is to redistribute the wealth and all would be good. Sorry, it doesn’t work.
      Now, for sure, their are some big businesses that are taking advantage of people, but they can’t force us to buy their goods unless Big Government gets involved. Government is force, not reason. Why do so many of you liberals think that Big Government is devoid of crooked, evil people and that Big Business is full of them? You are dreaming. Only Government can deprive us of our freedom legally. And most of the problems that we now face are the result of Government interference in the free market. Creating even bigger government is like throwing more gasoline on the fire to put it out. Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

      • http://aol Don

        Your system of greed is not the solution either. How many people in government illegally have taken billions of dollars while they were serving the government. Maybe only one when Cheney had the oil companies be in charge of our energy program. I don’t like your solution of Bank of America, AIG, and Madoff.

        • DaveH

          OMG Don,
          Where do you get that crap? I have said nothing remotely indicating I support any bailouts. You just reach into thin air for your arguments, don’t you?
          Relating to greed: A homeless person walks up to you and says “I want the money in your wallet”, of course you say “it’s my money”, he calls you greedy. Who is the greedy one here, the one who wants to keep his own hard earned money, or the one who wants to take that money?

      • http://aol Don

        Yes you are supporting big corporations. They have stolen Billions from retirement funds. They have stolen this money because of lack of government. You have said it clearly to put trust in big corporations and not the government. We need government oversight. Our government has the duty for the safety of children, education, highways, etc. which you have used or use unless you live in a cave somewhere.

        • eric

          Wake up it’s people who think like you, who helped bring about this new, American destroyer, The fastest way to bring down a country is to debase it’s currency. Spend what the country doesn’t have and watch the currency value drop to zero………You Libs or whatever you are should be shot on the white house lawn, for Treason……..

      • http://aol Don

        Eric, Bush started debasing our currency. He borrowed about one trillion from China. Do you think he should be shot, too, along the side of me?

  • ONTIME

    O.B.A.M.A. “ONE BIG AS MISTAKE AMERICA”

    I think it can be safely said now that this guy and his gangland tactics are in direct opposition of every principal that this country was founded on, violates any and every constitutional law with what appears to be impugnity thanks to a rubber stamp majority of congressional parasites and weak oposition from the minority. His intentions are to bring this country into his concieved realm of what a pure socialistic country should appear to be and subservience to the state for ever girl and boy. The prosperity we as a nation have earned by the sweat of our brow are to him and his thugs of no consequence and only serve as obstacles, items such as that pesky little thing called personal liberty and the “bill of rights” that frustrate all forms of intrusive government.

    There is now a tension in the air that has not been in this country for many years, it is brought about by the bullying tactics of this non transparent thuggery and continuing lies that permeate the very core of the liberal mindset, the majority of freedom loving Americans have seen thru this facade that this marxist ideaology brought with this administation is composed of and it’s history of failure no matter how many times it is tried or wherever it exist. The public is now even more aware that the politcs of deciet are what is responsible for the economic farce the left has perpetrated in order to destroy the free market and the capitalistic system which this nation thrived on, we are well aware of who and what caused this financial malestrom and the need to exact a price is growing daily.

    “Democracy is the poorest form of government in the world but try and find one better”

    • Earlw

      Item: We are Not a democracy and never were! America was founded as a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!

      Democracy= Mob or majority rule
      Republic=== Individual liberty within a government by the people with their consent.

      I challenge the naysayers on this blog to read the Preamble, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and come back and make the same arguments. This document when followed to the letter is the best form of government that has ever existed. I Just re-read it yesterday, by the way………

      • thomas eby

        This will be a travestry for the American people and others around the world if the idea of a one world government and currency is adopted. President Obama is not the only one who holds this view. Unfortunately many in government hold this view as well. It is simply the matter of those in power wanting more power.

        I do not believe in conspiracy theories. They only attempt to mis-lead people. What is happening with our dollar is real and if comitted citizens do not wake up we will see it happen. If not in the Obama administration then in the next one. Woe betide those who just sit and wring their hands and do nothing. We must be active and vote all those in office that undmine our currency out of office and bring in trustworthy patriotic people.

        All I can say is AMEN

        • http://aol Don

          One world government can work if it is run similar to USA. At first there would be problems, but it would be better than atomic bombs exploding all over the world like it is leading up to.

      • DaveH

        Right on Earlw! But don’t be too hard on people for not knowing that. I hear that democracy crap spewed by the major media constantly, so it is no wonder that most people aren’t aware that our country was founded as a republic not a democracy.
        Earl knows this but for the people who do not, imagine the whipsawing that we would get every election cycle if a raw majority was all that was required. It is easy for the mass media to get a raw majority of the people whipped into a frenzy. Then the new people in power would be able to completely change the direction of the country every 4 years or so. Prosperity would definitely decline because Business investment is directly affected by the ability of the Businesses to plan for the future. If they have an uncertain future, they are going to be hesitant to invest in new employees or equipment.
        That is why a super-majority is required to change the Constitution. Our forefathers were very wise in the creation of that document. Unfortunately, the public-school educated people are not taught much about the main law of the land, so those people aren’t aware that it is being ignored regularly by our government officials (even though they swear to uphold the Constitution). I’m sure many liberals would say “That’s good that they ignore it!”, but they are more than happy to advocate more rules that the rest of us are supposed to obey.
        My own personal experience is that as a teenager, I just respected the law blindly. But as time went on and more and more laws were passed, I found it impossible to obey all of them, so I lost my respect for those laws which have no moral purpose. I have noticed that same loss of respect in most of my friends over the years. They just ignore those laws that they think they won’t be caught and punished for. Does that created a good society? I don’t think so. I would a lot rather have just a few laws that were rigidly obeyed by the population or rigidly enforced by the government.

        • thomas eby

          Thank you, Dave and AMEN. A republic is what we should be that is for sure.
          Few people even realize what a republic is and that is unfortunate. If you have not had a chance to read Thomas Paine’s book “COMMON SENSE AND THE RIGHTS OF MAN” you would certainley like what you read. I
          offered this book, at my own expense, to all in my address book and had
          only four takers. Of those only one read it (my brother) and the others had
          excuses as to why they did not. Very interesting.

          Your comment about few laws and rigid enforcement is correct.

          Sincerely,
          Thomas Eby

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Tell Don that if we exploded an Atomic bomb a long time ago on one of these desert countries, and turned it into a sheet of glass, we wouldnt have these problems with these sand fleas that we have these days. They know we have gone the route of appeasement and pacifism, so they arent scared anymore. Actually, from what the left has done recently, our enemies are how emboldened and empowered by what they have heard coming out of the mouths of the left in Washington. Shame on the democratic party. Shame shame, everybody knows your name. Thats why in 2010 and 2012 they are all going bye bye.

    • Tritonal

      The thugs are in need of a lesson in civics.

    • http://aol Don

      You keep using the word “thug.” You sound like one. You become what you hate.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        A Chicago thug, is always a Chicago thug. Aint no two ways about it.

  • a ATF

    Our once great country has steadily declined with our moral & character decline over the last 30-35 years, and if Americans that care continue to sit on the sidelines and do nothing , we will deserve what we end up with …. America , if you love this country , get involved , call all your representatives , write them , fax them ,and let them know what you expect from them ,we shouldn’t just complain and do nothing ,that gets us no where , and if you wait on someone else to do it , it doesn’t get done,so please , for our countries well being and FREEDOM ,get involved now and thru the next election cycle. We must take our stand now, I beg you to do this for your children as well as mine ,if we expect to be free in the years to come. Please be in touch regularly with your representatives , make it a point weekly to let them know whats on your mind…..Our Country weighs in the balance……NOW OR NEVER……..

    • Brian Rawls

      I take it that you are law enforcement. Are you going to go house by house trying to take firearms from people with the military?

  • Brian Rawls

    Prepare for war ! Stockpile ammo, food, and other supplies. Dont give up your firearms no matter what laws are passed. The government will move fast.

    • Tritonal

      It never hurts to expect the unexpected. I had no fears about “Y2K”…I work in I.T. and I knew the extremes businesses were going to ensure that no business would be lost. This is different on a massive scale. This is the system trying to be dismantled and altered while the fan blades are spinning! This is truly madness under the guise of benevolence to those too ignorant to understand personal responsibility. While some may read your words Brian as extreme-right, the government will bring about the failure of the system, then attempt to be the great provider. If most people did the math, they’d realize that events like “katrina”, and on a small scale compared to the vast spaces of the United States, unfolded in all of 72 hours. We live on the razors edge of the supply chain, but many are too blind or to scared to realize how fast the shelves go bare at the whims of the weatherman whispering, “Snow”.

      • Brian Rawls

        That is how it will happen. Never waste a good chrisis. sound familiar?

    • http://aol Don

      Brian, why do you think someone is trying to take away your arsenal?

      • Brian Rawls

        Because if the public isnt armed, the government can force the public to do whatever it wants. Or they can get away with anything. Any group of people who wants to abolish firearms are as ant-American as you can get. They are for anti-gun laws because they want to have complete control over your life. With the right to bear arms you can retrieve all other rights back that have been stolen. MOLON LABE——YOU DOUCHE BAGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          This is why the Japanese didnt invade the mainland. When asked why, their military leaders said it would have be suicide, because our people are armed. Take away the arms, and bad bad stuff will happen to us, I guarantee it. I dont have a gun, never needed one , and really never wanted one, but I fully support someones right to have, hold, and to bear arms, and Im glad they do.

  • Brian Rawls

    I dont think it matters that people are in protest over the health care. I believe that it will get passed anyway. Our liberty is being taken from us, protest will do no good. Watch the health care get passed anyway, then you will see that im right. They dont care what you say or think. They are going to keep taking and taking.

    • Cathy Lowry

      It DOES matter that we speak up regarding healthcare reform. We must attend town meetings with our representatives and let them know we oppose this bill. We must email them. We must phone them. We must write them. I’d rather know that I did
      everything in my power to avoid having it passed, then remain silent and suck it up when it is. The healthcare proposal is evil. It will guarantee that our tax dollars will pay for abortions, which I am personally opposed to! I am personally opposed to seniors being required to attend “end of life” counseling sessions every 5 years in order to continue their coverage. I am personally opposed to illegal aliens receiving
      healthcare. They should be deported to their own country and re-apply for U.S. entry
      legally. Then they can be eligible for healthcare. Winston Churchill said that all that is required for evil to triump, is for good people to do nothing.

      • Brian Rawls

        I know what you are saying Cathy. But these people dont care about that.

    • http://aol Don

      Today, in the latest survey, 50% are for this health care (even though they know it won’t help them, but will help other people). 45% are against it.

      • DaveH

        Don,
        Where do you come up with these statements “(even though they know it won’t help them, but will help other people)”? Does it make you feel better to imagine their altruistic motives? Does it soothe you guilt when you join the socialists in taking something from others, and then imagine that you and your controlling cohorts are being noble?
        Give me a break, you just want something for nothing, plain and simple.
        If you really care about the health of others, there are many things that you can advocate that won’t take the money or freedom of others. One is to abolish the legitimacy of the AMA, which is nothing more than a Union for Doctors. Another is to stop the FDA from controlling our volutary health choices. And yet another is allow interstate insurance. And allow companies tax breaks for giving their employees cash instead of buying them health insurance, which would allow the employee to buy the insurance plan that suits them, thus fostering more competition amongst insurance companies. In other words unravel the anti-competitive, anti-freedom rules that have been passed or enabled by Big Government. If our health-care system is indeed a shambles, it is because of Big Government, not in spite of Big Government.
        Some of us, for instance me, are not afraid to take whatever nature dishes out to us. So, why should we be forced to pay for the cowardly whiners who won’t? We have gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of whining cowards in just 230 years.

        • http://aol Don

          Dave,
          I just told of a survey I heard from TV, today. I did not lie about what I heard. We need to keep the AMA. When a doctor is liable for an operation that went bad, and this patient needs care for the rest of his life, you can’t limit his damages to 25,000 when he will need a million for health care for the rest of his life. How fair is 25,000 for the doctor’s screw up. This is one example of why I call republicans hateful people. The other examples you mentioned does not cure health care as we know it today. When the hospitals are charging 100 for something that you and I can buy for less than a dollar. You and I are paying for other peoples’ ills. How fair is this? I’m paying well over 6000 for my wife’s insurance. It is going up 10% every year. How long can people afford this. The system is broken and not because of lawyers. The insurance companies made 440 billion dollars off of us last year. What is wrong with a government not for proffit agency? Yes, they will screw up, but they will try to fix the problem, not like today where people are denied for some stupid reason like having a bad reactoin to some medication. You are correct about some whining people. This does raise the rates, and these people are always the first in line. I know I always wait too long when I need care. Thanks for you reply. You are the first I said this to.

      • Alan

        Alan,

        Don,
        I don’t know which survey you’re looking at, but the ones I’ve seen on your Fox Channel , which from an outsiders prospective seems to give a straight and more realistic view of whats going on there in the States than other Govt influenced Channels, but the surveys taken and shown there show totally the opposite views to what you say. Our Health system here in Australia is similar to yours with a Govt Medicare which caters to all , including people out of work and the lower wage earners and we the tax payer pay for it with a small levy,but you have to wait for elective surgery.
        We have private Heath care which most Families that can afford it do have it for their families at their choice so they can have instant Surgery (elective) when needed. Isn’t America’s current system similar and if so why would you want to change it as it works fine for everyone, if you want to just be with State Medicare which never turns away anyone, or Private Health care cover of your own choice. It seems Pres Obama there and his Goose bag Pelosi team want to change all these things in your Country to suit themselves and control you all.
        Personally, I can’t stand control freaks, and no matter who they think they are and despite having been voted in by people, they are not GOD himself.Our copy cat Prime Mininster here has done the same thing with hand outs to stimulate the Economy , but added mass debt now that will take decades to pay back by our kids and theirs too. I ‘m from the School , that if you can’t afford it you should’nt buy it, so would ‘ve rather seen things take care of themselves so be it a collapse , then allow to recover normally without all this crazy added debt.

        • http://aol Don

          Since you do not like control freaks, then you can’t be a republican. Good. I’m an independent myself. I have been giving most of these people a hard time, because this blog site is loaded with hateful Republicans. You are correct about the Australia health plan . They are working on it and should be corrected in the near future. England was the same way from 2003 to 2006 but has been corrected. The Americans that I talked to that have been over England was very inpressed with their health care. When they needed help, medical people would come to the hotel and helped them out. They only had to pay 25 dollars, because they were from US. Everyone elses’ health care is free except fot their national taxes. No matter who was going to be president, he/she would have bailed out the banks. 5 of the 9 large banks have paid back their stimulus money. The money that Bush sign on did not have to be paid back. Some of the stimulus money will not have to be paid back. I’m one of the few that agree with Obama, McCain, and most economics that something had to be done to help out these banks. Yes, the bad thing about it was they were not accounted for it. Once again greed is killing us, therefore, I trust our government more than these companies. I can understand why the American people are in a uproar over all this, but McCain would have been worst. He said he would get rid of the lobbyist, now he is ahead of them. He loves power too like all politicians.

      • DaveH

        The AMA (American Medical Association) is one reason medical costs are so high (by limiting the amount of medical students accepted to med school, and other noncompetitive practices). Licensing is another major cause of high medical prices. In most cases licensing is just a way to protect the entrenched professionals from competition. In a truly free enterprise system, all that should be required is for a doctor to post his medical credentials. If someone wants to go to a Witch Doctor, that is their business, not the government’s. A general practitioner shouldn’t need 8 years of higher education, they need only enough knowledge to refer the patient to the appropriate specialist. A free market would allow this, and other efficiencies. Big Government is the problem, not the solution.
        I’m not Republican, but I am sure getting sick of you liberals accusing anyone who disagrees with you as being “hateful”. It won’t work on me, as I know it is just the way you liberals try to manipulate public opinion in your favor. Name calling and ridicule are your favorite weapons when you can’t engage in an intelligent debate of ideas.
        If you think an agency free from competition is going to be cheaper, think again. And if you think the Republicans are hateful for not wanting to give you the freedom to ride on their backs, then what are you for wanting to ride on their backs against their will? Steal their money with your vote, but don’t try to take the moral high ground because you are not.

        • http://aol Don

          If you talk hate, you will be called on it.
          Competition is great. We need more of it. Example: the oil companies. There are only several of them that produces 99% of the oil. They will fight like crazy against free energy like the sun and wind. There will be a cost of infrastructure, but in the long run it will be cheaper. But I don’t think you would be in favor of this competition. Wind and sun can’t supply all of our needs, but we need all sources than be a parasite to one industry.
          I agree that AMA should be regulated. The younger people that I know that wanted to be accepted to medical school had to have very good grades. The students that had only A’s and B’s were not accepted. There is a way for these students to be accepted, but it took more time and effort to be accepted.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Surveys I have a hard time trusting in. You see, I myself have talked with at least 200 people on this, and Ive had 2 people that have wanted this national health care, thats it. So surveys can go anyway the survey taker wants them to go. I mean I could do a survey of 1000 people, and have 95 percent of them say smoking crack cocaine is good for you, if I poll the right people to support the poll to come out the way I might want it. So I dont hold much faith in polls or surveys, because more than not they are corrupted by the people taking them, who are looking for a certain type of person to give the answer they are looking for. Its not right, but thats what they do.

  • Mike

    What the citizens of America need to do is stop the defeatist attitude, and let Obama, and his corrupt Democratic party know that they will not destroy America, because we the people won’t let them! Obama is not,and will not become the ruler of the world, unless he goes to another Country. Then maybe he might become the ruler over there, but never will he, or anyone rule this Country without the people backing him, or her! Our armed forces, and our police will never go against America, and without them he will control nothing! He needs to be impeached, and so does many in his administration! This guy promised change, but this isn’t the change that we were looking for! He must be stopped! don’t forget WE THE PEOPLE!

    • http://pandabeads.com Michelle Richardson

      I agree. He really thinks he has been elected to become our dictator. Like his statement “I will let you keep your health care or doctor” Who the hell does he think he is. His audacity to restructure american into fascism buying up private companies (don’t forget Bush started this fascism) and then stating 2 years ago he will plan to slowly end our private healthcare by implementing a government plan that competes with private insurance and will finally put them out of business. This guy is a liar and a con. He won’t release a birth certificate our let the American people know anything about him. He may or may not have been born here but the lack of honesty and transparency is what disturbes me. I mean if the guy won’t allow people see his college transcripts, birth certificate, doctors records. Why would we allow him to lead America? Never in the history of America has a President acted this way. Never! It is disturbing and as an American who had to show my birth certificate to get my driver’s license why is he off Scott free. I think his job is more important than me. So why is no one outraged about it and demand he cough it up or face Quo warranto.

      • http://aol Don

        Hawaii has shown his birth certificate on the internet. They have checked it well over 100 times. The officials say it has the correct numbers, seal, folded correctly, the correct kind of paper, etc. Also, it was found in the Hawaii newspaper his grand father listing of his birth. His grand father did not know he was going to be the president. I can’t believe how many birthas there are. Maybe, you should call the state of Hawaii and ask them to check it for the 200 time. You sure like to make up things.

        • Earlw

          Hate to tell you this, but the authentic Kenyan LONG FORM birth certificate, complete with signature and impressed seal has turned, up and according to the attorney who has re-filed the case, it appears to be authentic as stated. No attorney is going to ruin their reputation with an obvious fake…We’ll see where this goes……It’s getting’ hotter, Obama!

          Google it for yourself…New news as of yesterday!

          By the way, you might want to work on your grammar and sentence structure…you sound like an uneducated boob!

        • DaveH

          Don,
          That is not his “Birth Certificate”, rather it is a “Certificate of Live Birth”, which can be gotten by non-citizens. It does not state his delivering doctor’s name, or the name of the hospital in which he was born. In fact, relatives of Obama have cited two different hospitals in Hawaii in which he was born. I didn’t know it was possible to be born in two different hospitals. But maybe it is for Obama “the chosen one”.

    • Brian Rawls

      Dont think for one minute that the military and police wont back him Mike. They will do it because they will think its their duty to do so. They wont look at it like we do.

  • 13th Gen. American

    Im not saying Obama is THE Anti-Christ, the big kahuna anti-Christ. No one knows who for sure but he sure is making it easy for him to just step right in. Also If he is from Kenya then it does make sense as to all of this. I think we as true Patriots better get out shit in a pile and be prepared for the worst. Get out of debt and save and stock up on food and necessities. Ya know with the housing market and all the handouts it does come at a price. All those people will beholden to the government for survival and just might vote him in again.

    • http://aol Don

      People who hate always refer to other people as the anti-christ or hitler. I’m used to it.

      • 13th Gen. American

        But your wrong. I dont hate you at all. I feel sorry for you and the others who are so easily fooled by a nice smile and the ability to read well. I do hate what the libs are doing to America because they are destroying it turning it into something it never was intended to be. America didnt become the greatest and most giving country on earth ever on the liberal agenda. It became that on the constitution and on capitalistic ideas that reward the smart and those who work hard. Judeao christian ethics and family. Immigrants that came here and became american not making america a better version of what they came from. You exist because of those ideas. It is not the other way around. And people die there “Honey Chicken”. get over it. And if you worried about that now you just wait till the gov. starts telling EVERYONE who can live and die and when your to old to justify help. Even you will suffer. So sad the rest of us have too because of your stupidity.

        • http://aol Don

          I wasn’t fooled by Reagan’s smile (although I admit his writers were good) and Bush’s inability to speak. The “smart” as you refer to should also be compassionate. Too many are not such as Madoff. The “smart” are, too many times, greedy. We need regulations or our economy will keep suffering from the greedy. We did become a great nation because of the liberal agenda because we have always accepted everyone to our country to a point. Look at your own past relatives. You are an American because of this point. Last, I have noticed the ignorant loves to call everyone else ignorant. I guess it is a projection of oneself.

      • 13th Gen. American

        It wasnt the libs, It was the Christians believing every ones right to choose. The libs only came later and allow for anything and everything but the Christian Idea. I do see that the smart are also the most compassionate, least you forget we are the most generous country on the planet. The polls show conservatives out give libs buy tons and tons of money. The libs want to give your money to others not their own. You shouldnt be jealous of the smart and the rich. If it wernt for all of them then where would you get the money to support all the lazy stupid people. Those people in power now arnt smart just slick so you missed it. The slick and caniving are greedy. Unless you like them giving your money to the poor impoverished banks and auto dealers and on and on
        I myself give a large % of what God gives me and I am not wealthy by any means. I do however want to give my money to where I choose not to where some smug ass lib tells me. There are honestly needy people who as a christian I am glad to give to. Just not who you think it should be. But since you are so generous would you be willing to give your address so we could write to you and get your money directly instead of going through the gov. to get it. Hey it will just cut out the middle man. I know how enlightened and better than everyone else you are so I will be looking forward to your handout. I think it looks like it will end up being about 60 % of what you make. You can start dishing it out now thank you. Ps you are right. The ignorant does love to call it and if I look back there are many replies to your calling it. So it is also big of you admitting your ignorant straight out. It saves us all the effort.

        • http://aol Don

          You sound too much like the hateful people from the radio. I believe in the Bible 100%, therefore , I will argue against the people of hate. I want all people to be taken care of when they are having some bad luck. My favorite charities are St Jude and my religion. Our health care is broken. The numbers I heard bouncing around is that a person making more than a million will pay 6000 for health care and a person making a half a million will pay 1500. Yes, those numbers will change if the new health care sysyem is passed. My company pays for my insurance and I pay over 6000 for my wife’s insurance. It has been going up 10% a year on a average. 20000 people last year died because of no coverage. As a Christian do you feel good about this? A course you don’t. Thanks for calling me stupid. As a Believer I consider everyones’ opinion even the people of hate from the radio. If it makes you feel better as a Christian to call people stupid, I feel you should ask for guidance. Enjoy your evening.

        • 13th Gen. American

          OK your not only stupid your a hypocrite too. look at your own words. you talk crap on everyone who doesnt agree with you and because they dont agree you say they hate you. I guess you dont know how to read either because I just said i dont hate you I pity you. I think I should know better than you how I feel. Also being a Christian doesnt mean you have to agree with everything thats fed to you. It doesnt mean you have to believe the lies and just give to everyone and take peoples crap when it is wrong. That is not called being a christian, it is called a fool. Also Jesus, if you believe 100% of the bible called it as he saw it too. He called the pharisees hypocrites he told it like it was and they didnt like it and killed him for it. Was Jesus being a hater? I think not. Also it says the poor will allways be with us. Also he didnt heal everyone nor did he raise everyone from the dead and also not everyone goes to heaven He could have if he so choose to so therefore according to your ideas Jesus is also a hater and doesnt care about people. Also God himself helped the Jews and still does today to kill their enemy. To protect themselves and defend themselves from them. He did not send an Angel to sit down and have a chat with them did he? No he sent him to kill thousands for the Jews. Also he even sent a little boy to kill the biggest enemy there was. Remember the story? You believe it all. What was his name? I know you know it…Goliath riiiiigght.. So according to you God himself is the hater. So if you remember also the bible says we are not fighting against flesh and blood but powers and principalities. So according to the bible as you believe it it is our God given right to stand up against evil. To protect our freedom and lives from those who wish to harm us. To give to the poor and homeless. Not a free ride for all. Not for the government to do it. Not for no one to ever die or be poor or whatever. So you and the likes of you can get off your self richeous soap box. The left can dish it but they cant take it and since the right is mostly filled with good christians we have sat back and took it not wanting to hurt any ones feelings but not any more. Get use to it buddy. The silent majority aint gona take it no more.

      • Brian

        Talk about stereo type wow! Get your head out of your A

    • DaveH

      13TH,
      I disagree with the getting out of debt part. When the inevitable inflation hits as a direct result of the Federal Reserve monetizing the debt, you are better off being a debtor, as you can then pay off your debt with the much cheaper dollars that result from inflation of the money supply.

      • 13th Gen. American

        I agree it looks like a good idea but then I dont want to be obligated to anyone. Im praying and thinking of Ideas to get out of the little dept I do have to be self sufficient. Handouts arnt free. They come with a price. If it is given to you from God you get to keep it free and clear. If it is given to you from the world there is always strings attached and I dont want to find out what they are.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I agree with your accessment of Don. He blasts and name calls everyone, but when you stand up and fight back, your a hater and a name caller and everything bad. Why is the left allowed to attack, attack, attack, but when the attackee fights back, they are labeled? Hypocrite you said, and you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for speaking the truth. I have been attacked many times in these threads, and if I cite the truth or speak back at all, I am labeled a hater, an angry person and worse. All I want is the right to speak my opinion also, but if your not from the left these days, it seems your not allowed to have an opinion, and if your attacked, your not allowed to fight back. Your supposed to be a door mat and take it because they are always right and everyone else is always wrong. You know 13th Gen. American, why is it that you and I know that if you live in a glass house, you shouldnt throw stones, but those on the left dont understand that? While they are throwing boulders at us, they say let him who is without sin throw the first stone. What is that crap? Blows my mind.

  • joanppgreen
    • Brian Rawls

      Joan if you believe all of that stuff are you going out fighting or are you going to be lead to the slaughter house ?

      • joanppgreen

        Honey Chicken…..I am 76 years old and will hold onto my personal freedoms til my dying breath! I have taught my children to take “responsibility” for all of their actions…they believe tas I do, & are teaching it to their children. It is so sad that there are some others in this nation that feel it is the governments job to fulfil their needs, wants, hopes, & wishes…..and have demanded that it be that way. Those people are blinded by “sweet talk” , “promises” & charisma…..none of which will bear “good fruit”… What is that old saying…..”By their fruits you shall know them.” Get ready for a “bumpy ride”…..know that the Lord will prevail…..and “I” will be here at His coming!

        • Brian Rawls

          Well I know you are doing the best you can. Dont worry I will resort to combat. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. lol

        • 13th Gen. American

          Honey Chicken. I love it. I think Ill just start calling people honey chicken instead of AHMF’s

        • s c

          Right on, Joan! B o’s braindead camp-followers will never understand that there are many negative consequences for sociopathic behavior. Germans didn’t immediately recognize Hitler’s true character. Here, it’s not taking that long.
          Did you think you’d live long enough to see a prez who hates free speech? B O and Biden and most of Congress might be able to handle Dick and Jane, but the Constitution will always read like post-doctoral quantum physics to those feeble minds.
          I don’t have the benefit of your life experiences, but I do usually recognize a miserable wretch when I see one. This saul alinsky’s ‘gift’ to politics belongs in Venezuela or Iran. Truly responsible adults know that when a so-called ‘leader’ responds like a rabid wolverine to valid criticism, that non-leader has no place in America.

        • joanppgreen

          S C…. As I pondered your remark….”Did I think that I would live this long to witness what I witness now in the White House & in our nation?” To be truthful, I never gave it much thought when I was in my twenties……it has been accumulative over the years……each year getting worse than before. What is happening now is so much worse than before…..the slow eradication of all our Constitutional rights….. and, in the most flagrant way……and people in general are like “children” demanding that someone else take responsibility for their lives including all the problems that come with that life. We live in a “promised land”, it is much better than any other country. I love it dearly! It is sickening to see what I see happening, yet I know that it will get much worse before the pendelum swings the other way. Am I ready for that “bumpy ride?” You bet! I intend to live through the upcoming mess and shout “Hoorah!” when we finally have a leader who is truly worth being our leader…..He is……“my brother”…….He is your brother! My only goal is to strenthen young men and women to keep the “faith”….know that HE is on His way and will overcome all obsticles……whatever they may be!

  • Ray

    We are about to be done as a superpower (we already are if you really look) 12 trillion in debt alone will do it. Tthe dishonesty among the elected and un eletcted is also enough in itself. We have absolved ourselves of social responsability , look at TV, movies and the acsessability to for the children. We have become without morals, pleasure seeking and selfish. We are unwilling to sacrfice anything as long as we feel good. We will become a people govern by an ism and very poor. It is sad, I am glad to see the WW2 generation is about die off so they don’t have to witness what we did with their gift to us. An ism is commun, fach, socalis, A republic requires a moral people to survive. better prepare.

  • Emily McLean

    Don we all care about those not receiving health care we do have a system here in the USA where people can sign up and receive health care.
    What we do not need the Government coming in a running are health care system.
    It has proven to be a disaster ask people who live in UK and Canada and Europe.
    They get rationed health care and if you are terminal you get no care at all because they believe you die anyway.

    • http://aol Don

      You believe the propaganda you have heard from somewhere. I have heard from many people from England, and they think their health care is wonderful. They had to correct a lot of things, but now it is better than our current system. The people of hate have been telling stories about England from years ago to frighten people about health care. Our current system of going to the emergency room is costing us too much money. They have also been telling people that all doctors will be taken away from their patients, shich is incorrect.

      • G. Mann

        Interesting how the Left/liberal in their milieu always tries to decry their detractors veracity by attempting to demonize them with the typical PC “vernacular” – ‘shrieking racist, hateful, uncaring,’ and on and on.

        The fact is, they are unable to see beyond their “feelings”, facts mean nothing to the liberal mind. Even their worst failures are explained by how they had very good intentions – regardless of the outcome!

        As to European socialized medicine, we have relatives and friends in several countries of Western Europe. You are misinformed regarding people keeping their “own” doctors – the doctors are assigned, then they can become “your” doctor. But these doctor’s come and go, often leaving to a better practice in the U.S.! Tests can take weeks to months, and follow-ups can be very late in coming. Across Europe the “socialist paradise” they voted themselves into has been coming apart, with paid health vacations eliminated, further rationing of surgeries and medicines, and various other “free” services that actually have to be paid by someone.

        In all of the discussions by the Left/liberal establishment payment for all the freebies they are advancing to buy their way into power is always vaguely thrown out as not affecting any of the beneficiaries of their largesse – its always the “rich” who will pay for it. And the clueless and uninformed actually swallow that explanation hook, line and sinker!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Then you should move there. Me, Ill stay here and take ours. Im well taken care of and have never wanted for any medical attention in my life. EVER.

  • E McLean

    Michelle,

    I think alot of Americans are worried about Obama and the way he is doing things.
    I do agree with you as to why will he not produce a birth certificate or college records.

    I just hope that before to much damage is done that Obama is voted out of office in 2012 . I do not want the government telling my doctor what he can and cannot do to help me with my health care. I also do not want the Cap & Trade Bill because it is the largest tax ever put on the American people in the history of are nation.

    • Brian Rawls

      All of your fears are going to come true, just wait and see. The health care bill is going to pass. Then your firearms are next. The police and military will wage war on you all. Dont be so foolish to believe they wont. In 1932 Germany was looking for change as well.

      • Cathy Lowry

        Brian, it’s already happening! I just this moment read on the news that the White House has posted a blog entry urging Obama’s followers to find people who criticize the president even “in casual conversation” (like we’re doing here). and forward thata information to flag@whitehouse.gov. This is censorship at the very least and gestapo Germany tactics at the most! The blog further states “That is a brazen attempt to bully people into silence by leading them to believe any statements critical of the president
        will land them on the new version of the “White House enemies list.” See you on the list.

        • Brian Rawls

          HAHA, My mama always told me my mouth would get me into trouble. I cant never say I regret anything that I have ever said. Let them tell—— Im ready for anything they can send my way. It will be a cold day in hell when I fear these scum bags. I will see you there too.

        • Brian Rawls

          Cathy, this is the same stuff that went on in 1932 in Nazi Germany. Most people dont want to believe it. This will eventually cause mass-chaos everywhere.

        • s c

          Cathy, you’re right. In a world where common sense and reason exist, a president would not dare try such a dictatorital act. Here, where common sense and reason are being strangled, this prez stands out like a quasi-American Adolf Hitler. He doesn’t know how to handle criticism. If he ever read the Constitution, I don’t think he ever understood it. He has surrounded himself with people who should be candidates for deportation. He seems to have a 50 gallon ego in a size 6 hat. His philosophy is anti-American. If he has any good qualities, he knows how to keep them buried. On a good day, he’s a budding communist. On a typical day, he’s someone who needs to be ‘elsewhere.’ He might consider Cuba. No doubt, b o would crow about their medical care. If he needs volunteers to help him pack, I’ll give it a try. He can take all of his ‘friends’ with him, too.

        • http://aol Don

          Bush had his list to. He wouldn’t let certain reporters be there when he gave out information. Certain people are planted at different “chats.” They just scream where no one can understand what they are saying. If you want to be heard, one must set up a dialogue. You also can’t go to name calling like the 13 Gen. It didn’t work in 4th grade, and it will not work on an adult level.

    • Brian Rawls

      If he allows himself and his goons to be voted out.

  • Keith H

    This new currency is the next step to world control and dominance over everybody.
    The elites are using Obama as a puppet to bring it in. Not only Henry Kissinger said they will use him to bring in a new world order, the late JFK, not only warned us about the secret societies he opposed them, and signed an order trying to shut them down before he died. This is not just an american problem it’s a global problem.
    We have to get the word out to as many people as possible if we wan’t to keep our liberties…?

    • Brian

      I cannot stress enough that we the people who believe in Freedom, The Constitution
      and The Bill of Rights must come together and re-build what is being taken from us. Our apathy has now come back to haunt us. Those who believe in the pursuit of life liberty and happiness must start the with gathering . We must build again the foundation which our founding fathers envisioned. Think of all the people who died trying to defend this ideal ~ Our constitution our right to be free from an oppressive, intrusive ~ Goverment ~ Meet Mr O, Nancy and Harry and their party of the blind, depressed, addicted, weak, uninformed, hatred, untrustworthy, cunning, powerful politically self serving mis-guided ~ un-American Socialists
      who were elected by Acorn mystery driven by George Soros The puppet Master!

    • s c

      These primordial slimers have been destroying the dollar slowly for 70+ years. They knew what they were doing.
      Someone recently described B O as ‘the best ventriloquist’ he’s ever seen. I agree. His useful idiot chums are traitors and retards in designer suits.
      B O’s masters have been dividing up the world into economic regions to consolidate power. They make Madoff look like an innocent child. Madoff, however, destroyed himself. These world-class losers, however, deserve so much more than Madoff (no, I don’t mean money). I mean old-fashioned justice (not ‘social justice’). It’s more like the ‘redistribution’ of age-old misery.

      • Brian

        How about calling our representatives in a united way like Acorn does now?
        Let’s make change ~ Let us begin to to re-build what the founding fathers wanted

  • Eric g

    I cant imagine anything being more costly and less productive than bombing a entire country and than rebuilding it , with US taxpayers dollars . We have done that several times . But I believe some people think lowering the cost of medical services , is going to be the end of the world for the United States . I have heard more hate filled speech against lower priced health care than against murder, rape or war . They sure sound stupid to me .

    • DaveH

      Sorry EricG,
      But you are the one making stupid statements. The government isn’t going to lower the costs of medical services. They are only going to make someone else pay for them. In fact, the medical service costs are going to increase or be rationed, because the one big draw to the medical profession is the money (it certainly isn’t the long learning period or the long hours). So, you and the other dreamers are going to control their salaries and their will be more doctors and other medical professionals? Dream on. In the Socialist heaven of Cuba, they turn out lots of medical doctors, but the people of Cuba don’t benefit from this because they are sent to other countries to bring much-needed cash back to Cuba. They aren’t allowed to take their families with them, because the Cuban officials fear they wouldn’t return (why would they think that, lol?).
      I remember when Jimmy Carter foisted his big-government ideas on the public and we entered a nasty recession. He then said glibly “We need to tighten our belts”. I wonder what Obama will say?

  • Zoltan Hahn

    Correction ! Obama will not do anything EXCEPT what his “handlers “(the international bankster clique, Corporate fascist benefactors, ) tell him he must do.
    AND WHAT WILL THAT BE,? well whatever suits the “handlers ” best, period.
    As to what will happen ? –to the american people, — to the estimated 30million+
    illegal immigrants, to the rest of the interconnected world, to finances and
    financial systems, well they’ll be in the short term at least , decimated, period.
    Do the handlers CARE ? not in the least so there you are you’re on your own !!
    You see dear sheeple, the handlers have taken care of themselves decades ago, by
    stealing the vast majority of GOLD, through the FED RESERVE, and they are
    bright enough to KNOW that scraps of paper ( US dollar/pound/franc /yen, etc,ect )
    with out any REAl backing except for pretty pictures is WORTHLESS folks,
    in fact when the crash comes (soon) toilet paper will be a more prized commodity
    than bundles of banknotes ! WHY , well try viping your derriere with “money” versus nice soft toilet tissue, and you will instantly see.
    So why do you need me to tell you sheeple this ? because while YOU have been watching who’s the Best singer/dancer/plumber/cook/garbage collector/designer/
    ect, ect, ect, on the big boob tube, other people have been EDUCATING themselves
    as to what’s really happening, and can see it “plain as day”
    At least when the shit hits the fan we won’t be suprised.
    In the meantime great american public, keep on arguing, and debating worthless
    nonsence , ( immigration,/health care/ the wars you’ve started/ and on and on ) because NOTHING will change and that is what is required as the smokescreen for
    the real agenda which is happening all around you.
    Having just re-read the Constitution and Bill of Rights for the 3rd or 4th time, it never
    ceases to amaze me how you yankee’s willingly gave up the ideals and covenants,
    contained with in. As a Canadian I wish we had something remotely similar.
    These documents are perhaps the 2nd and 3rd greatest writings of man (the first being the BIBLE, from where they drew inspiration and guidance ) over the
    last 500 years, written by the bravest of men in some of the toughest circumstances.
    So if and of you yanks can get away from the tube for 10 minutes ( believe me who
    wins the dancing/singing ect, ect, does not matter in the least ) READ your own
    foundations and I think 98 % of you at least will find out that YOU ARE NOT a
    democracy, never were and aren’t supposed to be, YOU ARE A REPUBLIC.,
    and since most of you, likely don’t know the difference look it up and be further
    suprised.
    .

    • Larry

      Zoltan:
      Unfortunately you hit the jackpot; the masses looking for something for nothing have been busy watching the wrong channels on the boob tube. None of them educational or informative, just living their dream vicariously to escape reality. Because they didn’t take risks and remove their butt from the couch, the new reality will be someone else’s fault when they are blindsided by the BS coming our way!

  • joanppgreen

    Brian Rawls…….How old are you (?) and what are the ages of your children (?)…..as they are going to go through all of what is coming to pass…..Once the worst starts, (when whoever is the Anti-) it will be a very, VERY bumpy ride for at least 3 1/2 years……then, look up & see the salvation of this planet. My “brother” is coming!

    • Brian Rawls

      Joan, I am old enough. I have no children to suffer what the future holds. I can say that things will get bad. I will make as much trouble as possible.

      • joanppgreen

        Brian Reply…………….:August 5th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
        THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID TO …………………..[Don,
        your remarks are ignorant. the gap between the rich and poor is not b/c of some evil conspiracy.personal responsibility is the key to prosperity. If one works hard AND smart and makes good decisions, they will be all right 90% of the time. For example if a teenager stays in school, goes to college, does not over spend by trying to keep up with the Jones’, they will do fine.
        By contrast, if the same teenager gets pregnant, drops out of school, spends their life overspending to be”cool” like hollywood celecreties or abuses drugs, booze, or other some vice, YES they will be poor.
        I am a divorced dad. My income is barely middle class and after child support and other obligations of divorce my take home pay drops below the poverty level for me and my kids. But since my divorce in 01, my net worth has climbed like a rocket due to old fashion “dave ramsey” common sense. If I can climb above my situation, so can the average American.
        This calss war-fare line by the D’s is so old and worthless.]

        ….divorced, barely middle class,….below poverty level for me & my kids……
        ………and, you say now that you have no children to go through what is coming????? Guess they left the planet…….

        • Brian Rawls

          Joan, there is another Brian on this site as well. Look real close and you will see I have a last name—-he does not. I did not say any of that stuff that you are talking about. You got the wrong Brian.

        • Brian Rawls

          I do not have any kids Joan. They could not fly to another planet if they dont exist.

        • joanppgreen

          Brian Rawls……You’re correct, my mistake……two different Brian’s. Accept my apology, please. Sorry about you having no children…..they may come later in your lifetime, if so enjoy them. Children are GREAT!

        • Brian Rawls

          I was never upset Joan. I knew I was the wrong target. lol

  • thomas eby

    This will be a travestry for the American people and others around the world if the idea of a one world government and currency is adopted. President Obama is not the only one who holds this view. Unfortunately many in government hold this view as well. It is simply the matter of those in power wanting more power.

    I do not believe in conspiracy theories. They only attempt to mis-lead people. What is happening with our dollar is real and if comitted citizens do not wake up we will see it happen. If not in the Obama administration then in the next one. Woe betide those who just sit and wring their hands and do nothing. We must be active and vote all those in office that undmine our currency out of office and bring in trustworthy patriotic people.

  • http://Yahoo Loe’

    LETS PUT OUR EFFORTS OUT TO MARCH ON WASHINGTON WHEN OB IS IN RESIDENCE.

  • joanppgreen

    TO: 13th Gen. American…..whoever you are…..
    May I inquire, what in the world is an AHMF ? [please no obsene words]

  • Ken Gourley

    For all you “professed Christians” your are delusional and so far from being “Christian” that you are on the “other” side! As for people that think that the medicare reform is unneeded, in many countries, including Canada, the medical benefits are so superior to that in the USA. It is frightening how stupid you all are. I’ve lost family members in the USA father-in-law, poor sanitation he went blind from faulty sanitation in eye surgery, my sister in law died from blood loss after hysterectomy, she was a nurse and the Dr.’s said she was all right, she lasted about ten days, brother in law George stomach cancer that had been diagnosed as heart burn half a dozen times. Very poor amateur health care by greedy criminals controlling the system. As for some bureaucrat determining who gets or does not get treatment, that is a US industry fallacy (lie for you dummies). No such thing exists in Canada or any place other than the USA.Your position on medicare is so stupid it is pitifull. I hope you get what you all deserve!

    • Larry

      We already got it, he took office Jan 20 2009! He released the other vilans to demolish what good remained!

    • DaveH

      Ken,
      Then I take it you somehow have gotten a copy of the “Health Care Bill” and read it?
      Before you call other people names, you should educate yourself first. Big government has created the health-care mess with all their meddling. So you want them to do more meddling and this time they will fix it? Dream on. You probably would try to extinguish a fire by pouring more gasoline on it.

      • Ken Gourley

        Our system works at far less than the US system per person and everybody is covered. The program cannot deny for any reason if treatment needed. I just lost three members of my family in the USA over two years, because of very shoddy health care(they all had very expensive health care coverage). That said I have intimate knowledge or my own, my wife just completed the PEGASUS program the cost of that in the USA is over a quarter million. We get free treatment for diabetes (type 2) I have had several operations removal of broken ribs and hernia resulting from accidents etc. My nephew had to suffer a broken ankle because he did not have coverage. He was in San Francisco and born in San Jose nice treatment for a young person(he was 14).

        • DaveH

          How do you know your system works at less cost per person? You must be a wizard, to figure the costs of a government program and the hidden costs of their regulatory disincentives, and then relate that to our health care system on a comparable case by case basis. My guess is that you’re not. It doesn’t take a wizard to know that employees that aren’t subject to competition or firing are not going to work as hard as those that are. And your accusation of shoddy health care to family is just your personal opinion. I’m sure their doctors would disagree. But if they would have received better health care in Canada, why didn’t they go there for their care like Canadians come down here when they can’t find a doctor there to act soon enough or with enough expertise to help them?
          When I was young (35 years ago) the medical costs were very reasonable. Then the government got increasingly involved and the prices grew dramatically over the last 35 years. Big Government is the problem, not the solution. Government screws up almost everything they get involved with. Government is force not reason.
          In the United States we are still citizens. Please don’t do the “misery loves company” thing and aid and abet those who would make us subjects as you are in Canada.

        • DaveH

          Ken,
          Add to the above with the fact that emergency rooms here can’t turn away patients, even if they are illegal aliens. That too, was a mandate from government. How does anyone calculate all the costs that are created from all the government involvement in our business?
          All I know is that in the 70s when I was young, I bought a nice house in a nice neighborhood, for a little over 2 years of my gross salary (and that was an entry level salary). Now it would take me about 5 years to buy a similar house on a non-entry level salary. And medical costs were less than 1/10 of what they are now 35 years later. During those years government has gotten much more involved in the health-care field.

        • Ken Gourley

          The cost factor is a no brainer as a percentage of gross domestic production the USA is at or above 16% and Canada is just under 10% US figures not mine. The idea that family would go from their home here is stupid as is the reverse, the people going from here to the USA are not in danger most are Hypochondriacs. Those are the folk that have gone south not life threatening but because they have cash they want the head of the line, in a nut shell that is that answer! No person rich or poor is denied needed care however costly that care is, the only persons making that decision is the patient and his or her Dr. The quality of care is on average better here than the USA, however if you have lots of money, you can get extreme high care in the USA, at least about 2% can the rest get very little and if complicated, get cut off of their health care if they have it! If any of you spent some time here in a hospital you’ll know that even visitors get treated at no cost in imergencies. Not in the USA! Of course some times every system has problems, however the bad publicity Canada gets is mostly manufactured by the US supporters of that extremely flawed but profitable medical industry.

  • Bob

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
    then

    campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are

    against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and

    high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on

    appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme

    Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are

    directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the
    domestic

    problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem

    was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its

    Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally
    chartered,

    but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason..

    They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator,

    a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-pickingthing. I don’t

    care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The

    politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the

    lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine

    how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that

    what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con

    regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive

    amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a

    Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating

    deficits.. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force

    the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole

    responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and

    approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?

    Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow

    House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If

    the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree

    to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not
    replace

    545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence
    and

    irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is

    not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the

    plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal
    government,

    then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red ..

    If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because they want them in IRAQ

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement

    plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they

    hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and

    advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to

    regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let

    them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical

    forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them

    from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power.

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are

    their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    • DaveH

      Bob,
      Very excellent post! I do think though, that we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water, as there are some excellent politicians. The name “Ron Paul” (Dr. No) comes to mind. And I’m sure there are others that I am not aware of.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      It is, the proverbial “Good old boys network”, where these few select individuals dictate their wants and needs to all of us, while they all laugh all the way to the bank. They dont pay for health care, so they are so out of touch they have no clue about it, other that what they read, and if the newpapers they read are anything like ours here, or the NY Times, or the LA Times, you cant believe hardly any of it. They are beholden to special interest groups, and we need a clean wipe out of these career guys and bring in new blood. Fact

  • James Corbin

    If people are dying because they don’t have insurance—–If Obama, gets his way–
    there will be more people dying. The older people will be denied health care. NO body can be turned away from care if people go to the ER they cannot be turned away. !!!!!!!!!

  • Bob

    In 2008 the Voting Eligible Population was approx. 230,917,360 and there were 131,256,905 valid ballots counted (finally tally),

    of votes Obama got- 66,882,230

    of votes for McCain- 59,510,647

    That means that out of over 230.9 million eligable voters BHO only got 66.8……that means there are 164.1 MILLION US citizens who DONT agree with his Marxist ideology!

    • http://aol Don

      It means 59.5 don’t agree with Obama. It also means, using George Bush’s word referring to McCain about 5 years ago, that 66.8 didn’t want “crazy” McCain. Bob, nice Fuzzy math.

  • Bob

    HARDLY a landslide!

    • http://aol Don

      It was a bigger margin than when Bush beat Kerry and a bigger margin when Gore had more votes than Bush.

  • joanppgreen

    I have been told that we have to “follow the laws of the land”……I suppose that it is advisable to do so, but we could do something a bit more humane. Instead of speaking of “rascism” we should remember that we are all one race on this planet….and that race is the “human race”! Wouldn’t it be nice if all of us would act like we are one race? Another thing…..where does it say that we can’t say “NO” to anything we are not in agreement with? NO to going to war [just don't go], NO to mandatory vaccinations [close your doors & post "House under Quarantine"], NO to pharmacutical company’s gouging [do not purchase their commodities], NO to the upcoming census using GPS [trash it in the "circular file"]…….. what can the government do? They can’t “eat” you & they can’t put us all in jail……… It’s time to stand up and say……. “What part of “NO” don’t you understand!”

    • DaveH

      Joan,
      I have a hard time with the Self-Quarantine concept. If the vaccine works then anyone who takes it is safe. So the refusers would only be a danger to themselves or to their fellow refusers. If it doesn’t work, then why would anyone want to take it? For sure, as refusers, we might want to avoid going out in public because who knows what strange viruses might be shed by the vaccinated people. But as free citizens that should be our choice and only our choice.

  • Ken Gourley

    Dear Us citizen. Please do you self a favour! Stand in front of a mirror (large) and tell yourself the truth First I am not a citizen of a democratic country, I am a citizen of Facist dictatorship (elections just for show) My country is the largest terrorist producer the world has ever known. That the elected/appointed figureheads are all liars period. The USA citizens are not welcome in most of the world, they view us as the most dangerous terrorists of all time. We steal everything that is not tied down and that, we build a fort over or destroy. Our general population is so stupid that they think that the US medicare system works, baloney, only if your very rich which you won’t be when the medical industry gets you! Every country in the developed world has a better system than the USA single payer, the decisions made by you and your Dr., nobody else period!!

  • al

    This site is awesome. I can’t believe that there are so many idiots in the USA who believe this crap. Hey you guys got it wrong. George Bush is the anti-christ. He got us into that war that bankrupted us and turned the whole world against us and weakened the dollar. The bible says that the anti-christ will pose as our savior and that’s what W did.

    • Brian Rawls

      Al, you suck donkey-ball

      • http://aol Don

        Brian, you don’t like it when they throw it back at your face.

        • Brian Rawls

          What are you talking about Don———————key balls? You are so foolish. I have a neighbor that acts like you. Every so often in the midnight hour I will take a good old fashion poo inside of a plastic grocery bag. I then proceed in throwing it into his bag yard. This has kept him baffled for almost two years. I just thought you would like to know it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Come on Brian, thats not how you do it. You poop in a paper bag, set it on fire on his porch, hopefully cement, and ring his door bell. When he opens it up, he sees the bag burning, and starts stomping on it to put it out. Yeah, its like that.

    • James

      Al, an anti-christ is one who denies that Jesus is the Christ (i.e., the Messiah – Incarnate God). John wrote: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This a deceiver and an antichrist” (2 John 7). John wasn’t referring to people who had never heard of Jesus, he was referring to those among them that saw Him perform many, many miracles but still denied that He was, and is, the Messiah.

      • http://aol Don

        James too many people in this sight are referring to Obama as the anti-Christ. It happens all the time to refer to people you don’t agree with as Hitler or stupid or other 4th grade put downs.

        • James

          Don, well put! Politically, you could add ‘unconstitutional’ to that. To many, whatever they disapprove of, is somehow unconstitutional.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          He is not the anti-christ. The bible tells me I will recognize him when he comes, and this guy isnt it. For one, he has to be a great peace maker, and this guy has cause division unseen ever before.

    • FedupFrank

      I thought we went to war for the oil so that we could be rich? The rhetoric from the left before and after is rediculous and illogical. But aside from that, how do explain the monetization of our debt having any other effect than high inflation and loss of confidence in the dollar throughout the world? And how do you defend our current economic policies if those under Bush were the reason for our collapse? W didn’t pose as the savior. Compare the rhetoric and manorisms of Obama to Bush and you’ll certainly see the Rock-Star attitude of Obama shadow any arrogance Bush put on display. And by the way, Bush let us on the right down too. He let Congress run up way too much debt. Now we have even more of the same which is logically worse. More of a bad thing is worse. The war spending was tiny compared to the social entitlements we’re now facing. Look it up.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Not only that, these wankers have spent more in 8 months than Bush admin spent in 8 years. At least Bush has a funded war effort to show for it, and rebuilding from Hurricane Katrina and picking up the pieces from 9-11 to show for it, along with keeping us safe, which these guys in control now will undoubtedly undo. Whats Barrack got to show? Well, my neighbor who makes 250,000 a year, just bought a new car and saved 4500.00. Thats whats going on with this clunkers deal, all over the place. Those that had the cash to buy a new car, just saved 4500.00. And all us tax payers got to pay for it. Thanks Barack, frickin genius. The corporates and unions at GM now are fighting over who gets what with those billions, and the individuals will again prosper, but the company wont. They have proven they do not know how to run a business, and poor performance is rewarded by these guys. Unreal. Thanks Barack.

    • DaveH

      Al,
      The real idiots (at least when it comes to economics) are the people who believe that a government can spend a country into prosperity. If that worked there would be no poor countries.
      I don’t care who is president. The government is too damn big and most of us are going to suffer if we don’t work hard to cut back on the size of government. Big Government replaces productive people with political sycophants.
      Increased productivity is the only answer to our problems and we aren’t going to get that by redistributing money from one person to another. We need to get back to rewarding the innovators and workers in a free enterprise system and let those who don’t want to make the effort fail and that includes businesses.

  • James Corbin

    No, George Bush won’t be the anti-christ. Bush did believe in god. It’s this muslim
    religion will take over. One world religion, one world bank and this is where we are headed

  • Roman

    There is a story circulating on the web that I will never forget. It describes “exactly” what is happening to our society at this time. I found the story and I am copying it on to this reply: (author unknown)

    There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.

    The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting
    communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist government.

    In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange
    question. He asked, ‘ Do you know how to catch wild pigs?’ The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. ‘You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.

    When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you
    put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat
    again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a
    gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to
    come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the
    whole herd.

    Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

    The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, welfare, medicine, drugs, free medical, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms – just a little at a time.

    One should always remember ‘There is no such thing as a free Lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. God help you when the gate slams shut!

    ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.’ …….. Thomas Jefferson

    • Brian Rawls

      That is a great story Roman. I wish many would wake up after reading it.

    • http://aol Don

      Roman, I’m curious, are you dependent on anyone? Or are you as free as the wind? – this is not meant as a put down. Most of us experienced fences such as school, sharing food, roads, etc. So, are you saying all these are bad? Do you build your roads, grow your own food? Some people do.

      • Roman

        Good questions Don. The basic answer that I believe that you are looking for is yes, I am dependent on the services that are provided for all of us. However, I am currently 49 yrs old and have been working since I was 10. A few years ago, I realized that America is the “land of opportunity” and decided to strike out on my own. I now consider myself “semi-retired.” I still have to work daily, but my time is my own, my income is equal to my efforts. The harder I work, the more rewards I reap. I would not want to change this for anything. I enjoy being able to get up in the morning and if I want, I can take my wife out to breakfast. I am not reliant on anybody to tell me what to do, how to do it, when I can take a break, when I can eat my lunch or how much time I can have to eat my lunch.
        I quess what I’m trying to say is that I enjoy my freedom and sadly I am seeing that freedom “slowly” being taken away from us. It’s very much like the story I shared above. I feel that we are being hearded as pigs into a slaughter house. Just as a FYI, I do not support the current administration, nor did I fully support the previous administration. I would call myself a “conservative” first, who sees the America that my parents fought so hard to come to, becoming the country they fought so hard to escape.

        Thanks for your reply and I hope this answers your question.

        • http://aol Don

          Rowman, thanks for your answer. I did not expect a reply that was so calm. You seem very content. I’m similar age and started working about the same time, except I have 3 jobs and enjoy all 3. One is a full time job. I don’t feel my freedom is being taken away, but most of this attitude is mental, but this is my opinion. M. Nelson of S. Africa lived a good portion of his life in prison and he said he was very content. I read some of his writings after he got out of prison, and he seemed he was content when he was in there. Maybe because they let him read books. Most of the people on this blog do not seem content. They appear to think that contentment depends on their status quo. I will remember the pig story, but I feel most people build their own fences around themselves. I wasn’t for Obama, Bush, Kerry, or McCain either. I do agree with everyone on this blog that government has an important role in our country and the world. Thanks, Don – the guy that has been called many nasty names, but that is what Republicans do if you don’t agree with them.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      And that is exactly why we have generation after generation living on unemployment, food stamps, welfare, wick and other government handouts, because they have forgotten how to fend for themselves, and have been shown a way to live off the backs of others hard works, while having it reinforced in them since youth that they are a victim and that they cannot get anywhere because a certain race will keep them down. Unfortunately, they keep voting for the guys who are the ones that give them these handouts that continue to keep them down. So I will be labeled a racist now, but those that do not know me, do not know that for 8 years I lived in the inner city, in government apartments when I was young and starting out. I got to know quite a few of these guys, because I am an athlete, and played sports with these guys both in high school and summer ball, and later softball and YMCA basketball. The prevalant thinking was, why work when I can get paid almost as much to sit home and party. They had it figured out that if they worked something like 5 months, they could quit or get fired, and collect unemployment and food stamps, and wic for a year, at 80 percent of what they made working. Now Barrack has rewarded this behavior by extending it to a year and half. And a lot of these guys, from their teen years, got in trouble with the law, and have it in their heads that since they are black and have a record, they can never go anywhere in life. Yet they would work the same place as me, where I worked 8 years before it closed, and got vested for a pension, but they all came and quit in 5 to 6 months, to get paid to sit at home. Some of these guys are smart guys, and in shape, and Id fight to protect them and have when racist white guys rose up, for no other reason that racism. But our system rewards this kind of behavior, and yes, there are white people that take advantage of this also. But I see these handouts as a means that keep these guys down. If they werent there, they would easily rise above it, and be continual contributors to society, instead of being a drain on it. And they all vote democrat, because the democrats love to give these social programs and handouts, because it truthfully does mean millions of votes for them at election time. Millions, and that is a fact. But a lot of these votes, these guys dont see that these very guys that give them these handouts, keep them down from being all they can be. Soon, it seems they are trying to guide us all to mediocrity, and it seems that those that excel get punished, and those that fail, get rewarded. This my fellow Americans, is the democratic party of today, and this is a fact.

  • Dan Burke

    I am just amazed to read some of the stuff here. Do I think the dollar will disappear as the king of currency? Oh yes. I don’t trust our government currently. Personally, I think we deserve the collapse of our currency. We look to government to solve all our problems instead of doing it ourselves. Taxes were originally against the rich. Government got a taste of the money and taxed everyone. It is the nature of government to seek control. The Founders read and understood this principle. That is why they created the Constitution, to make a system that would defy the cycle to tyranny. Thinking ourselves so more enlightened than the American Founders, it seems that we are now destined to repeat history. If I believed Americans would learn the folly of their choices and pattern without living the consequences, then I think it would be great if we stopped and reversed the political movement. Unfortunately, I keep reading all these people espousing how great socialism is, how great it is that government takes from the people to give to the people, and so on and so forth. Do I learn to be charitable if government takes my money and gives it to someone else? Not one bit. In fact, I learn hostility to the act. I am not rich and so I look at them taking even more from the rich and wonder why in the world would I aspire to work hard enough to become rich. Why should the rich keep working hard to lead their companies in prosperity if government will “provide” for the masses and take the rewards of hard work away from the wealthy? Personally, I think the only way those so anxious to give up their liberties will really learn their lesson is if they get what they want. Socialized medicine complete with the eventual rationing, long lines, and increased taxes. Plus, everyone will learn to rely more on government for all their needs instead of providing for themselves. Voluntary dependence. Voluntary servitude. If history is any indicator, the new government these people want will not last. Oh, the devastation it will bring will be great. We’ll have to survive a long period of extreme poverty. A long period of being indoctrinated into a line of thinking that will not show us the path to freedom. I suspect America is no longer worthy of her freedoms and that is why we are losing them. So many blaim the administration, or politicians. Both political parties are heavily absorbed into the progressive movement. Even many of the people believe government should do for them what we once did for ourselves. Personally, I am going to teach my children about freedom, free markets, and everything else I cherish about the America that once was. Why? Because someday they will hopefully pass it on to their children until one day people actually are worthy of freedom again and seek their freedoms once more. So while I might hope America pulls around and remains a free country, I am anticipating the worst.

  • Larry

    Comrades the landscape is changing and the Kool-Aid won’t taste quite as sweet next year! Certainly change is forthcoming, regardless of what Ken says I know several in Canada; some would be dead if they hadn’t come to the U.S. for care and treatment. Our system certainly can use reform, but burning down a house to BBQ a pig is not the answer. Reforming in a week without reading it is not the answer, the only urgency is so they can get back to Cap & Trade, Card Check and the next revolutionary rock they so desire to turn over. Elitist do not ….. need, want or care about your opinion, we elected a boat load or allowed them to stay long enough that they became so superior.

  • Jerry

    In Reply to Don’s rant about English healthcare.

    You say England love’s their gov’t controlled healthcare, ask the seniors who were denied a hip replacement or knee surgery because it was too expensive and since they were no longer a value-added person to society they should suck it up, and just die gracefully. Don, you need to bone up on history and do your research as you’re sounding much like the fool 13th spoke of. As for being a “Christian”, ask a 1000 people what a Christian is and you’ll get 1000 different answers. Our enemy uses a “slow fade” to dilute and thus redefine what being a Christian is. Personally, I differentiate by using “Follower of Jesus Christ:”, no room there for any ambiguity or redefining.

    Look up for soon our redemption draweth nigh.

    • http://aol Don

      Jerry, I have been hearing more positives about the health care system in England than US. When 20000 people die because of our system, it can’t be good. I agree with Joan, we are one people. You have people like 13th who can’t transfer his biblical knowledge to his politics. Christ would have healed more people if he came in contact with them I feel most people want to serve their fellow man in some capacity, because we are one people. It is too easy to keep blaming people who do not work for all of our problems. The pig stories are amusing, but there are real people that need assistance. How about the girl that gets pregnant, have other kids, and can’t support her family. Your solution is to say that is her problem and not yours. Well, why punish the kids. They are not guilty of anything. You are just encouraging abortion, but then you say, “no she can’t have an abortion.” You put everyone in a “fence” that has problems. Go ahead and tell me to move to England, but I will push to have health care reform.

      • Brian Rawls

        Shut your butt-hole Don-key balls.

        • http://aol Don

          Typical Republican – do what you want. This web site set the rules for no name calling, but the heck with rules.

      • 13th Gen. American

        Um excuse me Mr. I believe 100% of the bible. Have you even read it? Jesus would heal more people if he came in contact with them??? Hello. First swarms of people followed him. Second he did feed them all on 2 occasions. It did not say he Healed them all. 3 read John 5. It talks about the pool where multitudes of sick people would go to wait and an Angel would come once a year to the pool and the 1st one in would be healed and Jesus saw this 1 guy who had an infirmity 38 years and had come there. Jesus took pity on him and healed him. It said Jesus healed Him alone and he went out and told everyone. Jesus did not heal the multitudes. He healed the one. Second Id like to say a liberal christian is an oxymoron. Christians are not perfect, just forgiven so I cant judge you on that but how can you say you are a christian and have anything with a liberal point of view that has as their main points like abortion. Not the rape and incest and mother dying kind. The suck the brains out of the baby as it is being born. Rip the limbs off it inside the mother. Create life to destroy it for stems cells to save someone else and then worry that the terrorist who want to kill us all are not getting cable TV and they might be kept awake for days on end. Like were not being fair to them. And to top it all off in the health reform tax dollars are going to give free abortions to anyone even children 14 and they dont have to tell their parents,and to keep these evil skum in a comfy way of life while they are waiting to get a trial with the same rights as an American. AND ALSO sending money to other countries for free abortions for them too. And then there is let the gays marry. I say let the gays do whatever they want but to hold them up to the same standard as marriage is a slap in Gods face like he doesnt know what he is doing by making man and women in the first place. Also God gives us freedom of choice. The constitution is filled with references to God who gave us the freedom and the gov is taking them away faster than you can drink that coolaid their feeding you. Oh theres more but you get my point. Obama nor GB is the anti Christ. No one knows who it is till satan actually takes over the body but he is anti Christ like. He showes it by his remarks like the most telling one saying America isnt a Christian nation or a jewish one or whatever. Hell ya we are. Ya I feel for the single mother who is pregnant and made a mistake. We all make mistakes in life some more than others. Ive made my share. I feel for the person who lost their job and is now loosing everything. I do not feel for the people who got greedy and bought a house and car way beyond their means. Anyone who got a house with a rate that was low and then went up is stupid beyond belief. Anyone who went spending because things were good the last 8 years, and they were, and bought big cars and all that stuff and now they are loosing it. No pity. No pity for the single mom who after 3 or so kids didnt get fixed or whatever and never married and has several different baby daddys. No pity. No pity for stupid people who believe anything liberal. Great pitty for those who hoped he was telling the truth and see the light how wrong they were. Great pity for the rest of us who have to suffer for this One Big Ass Mistake America. No tolerance any more for the likes of Don who are so full of themselves and can dish it but cant take it. And yes I do bring religion to politics when the politicians are making laws that will send the wrath of God, I live here too and have to suffer for those laws that are contrary to his word. I got enough of my own things to account for. I dont want yours. And one last thing. Theres Matt, 7:15 It says Beware of false profits who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits…….The fruit of Obama and his minions are lies and deceit. His words are poison dipped in honey. Im sorry you are so deceived by the honey taste but it is the poison that will get us all.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thank you sir, for you speak the truth of which the scriptures speak clearly of. It seems today, especially on the left, they want whatever is current and popular to be the way it is, but you and I know, that it is written, “There is a way to a man that seems right, and it is the way of death”. Man will always try to exhonerate himself, and make himself seem right in his eyes and in the eyes of other men, but unless we do it Gods way, we arent doing it right. When I say it’s wrong to be gay, Im labeled a hater. A gay basher. No, quit contrare. Gods word says, “For a man to lay with another man as he would a woman, is an abomination to the Lord.” I pretty much take that to mean its not right. I dont acost, I dont attack, I dont put them down or make fun of them or pick on them in any such way. In fact if someone were to be wanting to beat up a guy just because he is gay, I would fight with the gay guy, because its not right to attack someone because they are different, or dont think like I do. But it is my job, as a Christian, having had right and wrong revealed to me by Holy divination of being filled with the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ in my heart, I can accept that person, but not their gay lifestyle, because it is wrong, just as it is wrong for a straight guy to go out and have sex with women all the time out of wedlock. I catch heck from guys at work for this, they think something is wrong with me that I tell them what they are doing is wrong. Funny thing is, they dont label me a hater, because the guilt isnt there on them yet. Point is, we are moving farther and farther away from God, and then people wonder why things are getting worse. Doesnt really take a rocket scientist now to figure out why, does it?

        • 13th Gen. American

          Mark. It is exactly those truths the left is trying to stop us from saying. They use thug tactics and play on our desire to not offend by calling us names and saying we are haters. So why can they scream and yell at us and call us haters and idiots and all the such that we arnt but we can not call them the very things which they are? They are like little children unwilling to see their faults and want to do what they want to do but the light of Christ shines on them and illuminates their sins for all to see. They think if they put him out of the world totally they can hide their sins and live in them freely but it cant work as long as we have a voice and use it to tell them the truth in Christ. Are we better in any way than the smillies and dons of this world? Of course not. We just know better because we are forgiven. I admire you and a few others from these posts as being able to put the facts and thoughts in clear form yet they choose to not even read them or accept the facts. Satan has their minds so deceived it is sad to see how some seemingly educated people can be so easially lead to the slaughter. I on the other hand have no patience to put all the facts down because I know they have heard it all but choose to not receive the truth. Im a say it like it is person. I call a spade a spade a liar a liar and a fool a fool. I will however not be intimated by them or the president calling on all his minions to snitch and bully we may not win some of these battles here on earth. Especially when Satan goes crazy in the end times but we will win the ultimate war because Christ defeated Satan on the Cross. I am proud to stand beside you and those like you in this time in our world. Smillie and the dons and rodens are not the enemy here. They are just puppets used by the great deceiver himself to drag as many souls to hell with him before his time is up. In my shortness of temper I will also send up a prayer that God will open their eyes like he did Pauls to become a follower of Christ and to speak to their friends the truth of the word of God. May the love and blessings of Christ be with you all. 13th

      • Brian Rawls

        You are right Don. Im sorry about the name calling.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Funny you state that 20,000 die because of our system. How many millions are saved? That is the question. How many thousand die in socialized medicine countries because they sign up and go home and wait their turn? Another liberal wanting a hand out.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Being a true Christian is one thing and one thing only. Recognizing you are a sinnner, and asking Jesus Christ to come into your life. When youve sincerly done this, you know it, as you are aware of the Holy Spirit entering in, and you are aware of your eyes and ears being opened. You feel the burden of sin leave you, and you are awashed anew. Your still a sinner, but you become accutely aware of right and wrong, and you dont live in that gray area anymore where everything is just ok. Its black and white, fair and unfair, true and false, right and wrong, evil and good. No fence straddling. Thats how you know.

  • FedupFrank

    If there is going to be a complete collapse of the dollar and eventually the rule of law then it will be up to 2 things to keep us (those God fearing individuals on this thread and others) living and fruitful: 2nd Amendment and our Morals. I hope that we can identify a place where we will congregate with our food, clothing, tools and arms and re-establish a society that exists peacefully outside the chaos. I am encouraged that there are so many well armed people in this country (except NY) to defend ourselves against our federal government… which is EXACTLY the reason for the 2nd Amendment which must be defended at all costs. Else our freedom can and eventually will be lost. God bless the founding fathers.

    • Jerry

      I am right with you Frank. Just say where and when.

    • James

      Frank, the purpose for the 2nd Amend. was to protect the right to bear arms from federal infringement. Defending the 2nd Amend. means opposing federal laws that have ‘infringed’ (regulated) on the right, which involves writing to one’s congressmen and insisting that they cease misusing their commerce and taxing powers to violate the 2nd Amendment, which they have been doing since the National Firearms Act of 1934.

      • FedupFrank

        Understood and agreed. I have been a member of the NRA so that they can put up exactly the same defense against regulation that you suggest. I do however take the statement in the 2nd Amendment: “… being necessary to the security of a free State,…” as the justification of this right. Because the reverse, and I suspect you feel this way based on your previous comment, of that statement is that a State without freedom is a state where people are unarmed and/or incapable of defending themselves. I hope we do not get to the point in our country where our arms are used in defense of our freedom against our own citizens. … but history tells me that it has been done before… and it will happen again unless good men do something now. God bless, James.

        • James

          Frank, the prefatory ‘militia’ clause has confused many, even Congress. Back then, all men were either in, or on tap for, their state’s militia. They were required by state law to arm themselves, and remain so, at all times.

    • http://aol Don

      If the dollar goes, all currencies will fail, then one world curriency will be adopted. With all this talk about guns, it does sound like you are going to do something like the guy in Pitt. Please, tell me you are not like that.

      • FedupFrank

        No, I have a girlfriend. Don, I am perhaps making a leap in asserting that you have no idea how many gun owners there are in this country that are just like me and NOTHING like the psychopath in Pittsburgh. I would also contend that if the unlikely chaos were to ensue, you would seek defense from aggressors by running behind those of us who are well armed not for the purpose of killing our fellow God fearing Americans but defending those Americans against an oppressive martial law senario that would resemble the gathering of Jews in Nazi Germany. We don’t need the police to defend us, we can do it ourselves. Besides, the police show up after people are dead. Look up the recent shooting in Binghamton, NY that was right around the corner from the police station or the stabbing death in Sultan, WA that was less than 4 blocks from the police station. I’ve had guns since I was 12 and have put a lot of lead through the air. Not one person has ever been threatened by my guns (except for the irrational fear associated with my just mentioning that I own a gun). So don’t worry, Don. You’re safe with me.

        • G. Mann

          FedupFrank:

          Clearly, Don is simply a typical uninformed emotionally involved liberal or an agent provocateur. Discussions with the poor fellow is a waste of our time.
          He simply repeats Dem. talking points – even if he has read the actual draft law he would deny what is written in black and white!

        • http://aol Don

          Thanks for your response.

        • http://aol Don

          G Mann, I’m not a liberal, but I’m against people of hate. Go ahead and get in line and call me negative names. I’ll be glad to listen to any reasoning you have on anything. If I disagree with you, then you can go back to name calling.

        • 13th Gen. American

          I guarantee without a doubt that when things get bad, and they will, the likes of Don will be the first ones in line coming to us who have the food and guns for food and protection from the crazies. Oh dont hurt me mr big meenie with the gun calling me names. Hey I bet Don is one of those people Obama wants to go look and find on web sites and at work and parties for anything that looks “fishey” to report back to headquarters. I dont think Don can handle being called names so I guess I should leave out pansy ass snitch.

    • Brian Rawls

      I will be with you as well. Dont give them nothing, no matter what laws they pass. 2nd ————- till the death.

  • Jerry

    Hey AL, do you work for the MSM (main stream media)? Either that, or you have bought into the rediculous propaganda that the MSM has spoon fed people like…………. Also, it is clear from scripture (do you even read it) that the believers (death and resurrection) will be spared from the “hour that is to come” and so it is highly unlikely that we would see him. As an ardent student of eschatology for over 30 years I can honestly say your from a very shallow media influenced perspective. At least enter the discussion with some pretense of having some knowledge. You tend to look a bit like a fool.

    • James

      Jerry, you are picking scriptures out of context. Paul’s “we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thess. 4:17) occurs at the end of the tribulation. Matthew 24:27-30, in part: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days…the powers of heaven shall be shaken: And then shall apear the sign of the Son of man in heaven…coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” This Second Coming is coincidental with the first resurrection of the dead and the beginning of Christ’s millenial reign here (Rev. 20:4-6). All of this occurs right here within sight of those on the Earth.

  • Jerry

    Actually, scripture says even satan believes in God, which is why he’s pulled out all the stops knowing his end is near. We can only pray for people like Obama and those who blindly follow him. As the old adage goes, the blind leads the blind…..

  • Brian

    Me too Frank You are right on ~ I am finding it very hard to accept this laying down!

  • DaveH

    One more thing that is very important for all freedom-lovers to consider is this: If government succeeds in nationalizing more of our economy then that will add to the already large percentage of voters who will be beholden to the largesse of Big Government. We need to get active, very active, now to stop this cancer. And to those who think violence is the answer: If you are willing to give your life for your freedom, then how about giving much more of your free time to getting well-informed on the issues and vigorously contacting your representatives to let them know that if they continue down their freedom-robbing path, they will lose their jobs! It will hurt a lot less that way, and I believe it would be a lot more effective than violence.

    • Brian

      Well said DavidH ~ I think we are frustrated because we have been somewhat apathetic in our civic duties We need to make the system work for us.
      Although Acorn has me concerned ~ they have an organization which seems well funded and has a very powerful outlets and connections which are driven to one goal ~ power to the next election

    • G. Mann

      Haven’t you heard – American citizens protesting against destruction of America as we know it are organized rabble rousers according to the Democrats! Yet illegal aliens, apparently to be fully covered by the Obama health bill, likely have voted in states with motor-voter laws, voting for, you guessed it, the Democrats. NAFTA certainly has helped promote this.

      I would suggest that a major reason the Democrats debase themselves before the illegal alien support groups (La Raza, et al.) perpetually and cry out for “reform”, is that they believe they have a ready made voter group that will guarantee their staying in power indefinitely, even if ACORN is finally cornered and closed down (unlikely.)

      As an interesting sidenote, La Raza is described on Google as:

      “Private, non-profit, and non-partisan organization focused on reducing poverty and discrimination, and improving opportunities, for Hispanic Americans.”

      They are as non-partisan as Josef Stalin was a purveyor of peace and kindness.

      • http://aol Don

        What do you suggest G Mann – do you think we should have our army go door to door looking for illegal aliens? If so, you can make the call to China and ask for more money to do this. Then we can tax and spend more of our money. And I thought you were against big government.

  • Chris

    I live in Texas….WE want out!
    The republic of Texas….has a nice ring to it.
    We are handeling ourselves just fine already.

    • http://aol Don

      Just give us your oil – just kidding.

      • Brian Rawls

        How about some lead— just kidding

  • Cathy Lowry

    Smillee:
    Maybe part of the reason our economy is no longer thriving is due to the past policies of democratic presidents ie. passing of NAFTA which President Clinton initiated. We’ve lost thousands of US jobs to foreign competitors because of it. Our federal government has not provided a tax-friendly environment in this country for small business – thus businesses have left to go where they can be more profitable. Here’s a little story about that.

    “John Smith started the day early having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6am. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG ) He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE) and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA) After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA) he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) filled it with gas (FROM SAUDI ARABIA) and continued his search for a good paying American job.

    At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his computer (MADE IN MALAYSIA) for job opportunities, John decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL), poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE) and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can’t find a good paying job in America.

    And now he’s hoping he can get help from a president made in Kenya.”

    Here in Michigan, two years ago our Democratic Governor repealed the SBT (single business tax) and replaced it with the MBT (Michigan business tax). That tax is crushing businesses because it taxes gross sales whether the company is profitable or not. It even taxes the 6% sales tax that is collected on behalf of the state. That’s a tax on a tax! This is driving business away and keeps others from investing in our state. It’s simple economics 101, you don’t continue to heap between 300-700% tax increases on business if you want our economy to grow and provide jobs.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The same damn democrats that have run your state is the reason why when I cross the Indiana line into Michigan, my car gets the crap beat out of it by the potholes, because the democrats up there allot the money to fix the roads, then put it in each others pockets, year after year after year. So why do the dems keep getting elected there? I mean I know the millions of Arabs that live in Detroit vote for them, but what about the rest of the state?

      • Cathy Lowry

        As you said, Detroit is one big Democratic strong-hold. So is Flint. So is Muskegon.
        Grand Rapids, our 2nd largest city, is probably half Republican but can’t carry the state. Automotive manufacturing is/used to be Michigan’s largest industry, and is run by the unions (democrats). Unions are the downfall of this state and country. There was a time when they were needed to institute reform for improved working conditions, but no longer. They are destroying this country with their demands for higher wages to do what? Put a lugnut on a car? And demands for better and better healthcare, vision care, dental care, eye care, etc. for work and retirement, and life-time pensions with cost-of-living increases built in. The unions wield considerable influence in government, way more than they should. The union vote here got Obama elected. The teachers’ union is also extremely powerful in Michigan. That union would rather allow schools to be closed (many are close to bankruptcy) than allow private health insurance to have a competitive bid by districts that might dare consider replacing the teacher’s cadillac of all health insurance policies.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      As I read this again, I want to thank you very much. Why is it that so many people cannot see the damning effect of taxing business so bad? How is it that normal everyday people, that work for a living, label business as evil and want them taxed to death? I dont get it. I have never had a poor man give me a job or write me a check, and Ive never seen the poor man pay 80 percent of the taxes in this country. When Bill Clinton agreed to NAFTA, that opened the door for many of these business’s who got tired of being taxed to death, to move to Mexico and China to avoid this taxation. Its a business and people killer. They tax the business then the business has to downsize and lay off workers to pay the tax bills. Bush’s tax cuts allowed my company to hire 35 new people. When the election came, and it was evident the democrats were going to win, and then they won, these guys all lost their jobs, because business’s stopped spending money to build, holding on to the money to pay the democrat tax monsters. Bush’s tax cuts expire in 2010 and the dems will no doubt do away with them, then millions more will lose their jobs, and some how the left will stand there and blame that on Bush also. I dont know why some are so afraid of the cold hard truth, but its pretty simple. Its right there in front of us. Look whats happened since Bush’s last year when everyone knew the democrats were going to win the election. Just look whats happened, and look what they are doing now. Giving billions to those who have proven they dont know how to run a business, while taxing those who do even more. Unreal. And its all Bush’s fault to them.

      • annnort

        The protests of the last week seem to have worked. Now we need to continue the protests. About $600 billion was put into the stimulus bill and signed into law on Feb 9 – readthestimulus.org/ After reading a post in the WSJ, I went to this site and put health care and clicked on search. This amount was for health care that had not even passed nor was there a bill! Arrogant people! But we knew it was not a stimulus package. My reason for posting this is we must stay informed and continue the protests! That is the only way this administration can be controlled. He has to see all the people lined up to oppose his agenda. I have a feeling we will be heard!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Another thing that we have to watch for, and its hard to find out, is that these lefties will get funding passed through for something, but will take that money and totally spend it on something unrelated to it, and they get away with it because no one is paying attention to it. They are the masters of the left pocket to right pocket trick, and they pretty much do whatever they want, because the press can fully know about it, but they dont report it, because they are the propaganda wing of the democrats, and they are all the same guy. It sucks.

  • G. Mann

    Skimming over the various comments brings out some interesting observations:

    Those supportive of coercive (read socialist) government, such as Mr. Smilee, are either basing their support on “feelings” and are totally devoid of concern for and are completely oblivious to facts, or, they have had specific experiences that were negative when dealing with private insurance parts of the overall health care system. A good example of the latter is revealed in the e-mail by Smilee, where he lauds Medicare and speaks of 20 years of bad experiences with private insurance before qualifying for Medicare.

    Having dealt with Medicare and PRIVATE supplemental insurance for three different relatives (mother, mother-in-law and father-in-law) for the last 30+ years, I have experienced most every possible problem one can encounter from both governmental and private insurer’s. And, as Mr. Smilee has stated, Medicare has been quite good. However, my wife and I have scrutinized every bill sent by every provider for our relatives – up to 17 different doctors at one time!

    We found Medicare paying for double billing for the same services, paying for medicines and other supplies never given, and many other other issues. It was more trouble having the “mistakes”/fraudulent charges corrected than anything else, and we don’t even know if the monies were ever returned. But Medicare has provided excellent medical coverage with their own doctors, choice of hospitals and all necessary diagnostic testing to define the various health problems they had during their retirement.

    What is most incredible, is folks like Mr. Smilee and many like him/her have not made any attempt to learn what the so-called “health reform” as proposed by the Obama Admin. actually entails, based on the draft law in Congress. What should be of most concern to Mr. Smilee is the clear evidence that Medicare would be cut drastically and ultimately, a very inefficient one-payer system would take over what was the best health care system in the world. (I’ve been in hospital in Europe and found even there to be 20 years in the past compared to the U.S. One can only imagine how archaic health care is in the rest of the world.)

    Aspects of the law as currently written will impact retirees so severely as to make the law draconian in its negative impact on their outcomes and longevity! While I agree that quality of life is important, I WOULD NEVER WANT A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT to ever make the determination of when either I or any of my loved ones should die! Such a clause in present in the law at this time – is Mr. Smilee amenable to such control over his life?!

    As an example of the government intruding on our health care, the Heritage Foundation has this quote from Obama:

    “President Obama said: ‘They’re going to have to give up paying for things that don’t make them healthier…If there’s a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half for the thing that’s going to make you well.’ ”

    If Mr. Smilee and his supporters want some bureaucrat running their health care, so be it – join Medicaid. I’ll stick to my private insurance and Medicare AS IT IS NOW, NOT HOW OBAMA WANTS TO WRECK and DIMINISH IT!

    If the federal government takes over total health care services, the model that will be followed is unquestionably that of the Veterans Administration, which includes rationing, waits of weeks to months for diagnostic testing, even needed surgeries, permitting use of only certain medicines based on cost not efficacy, etc. (According to friends who as veterans have attempted to use VA medical services, it is an awful system. And nearly all of them have all quit attempting to use the VA as a health care provider!)

    The supposed less than stellar outcomes for health care events in this country compared to other nations, as stated by Mr. Smilee, are flawed unless one specifically states WHY the lower positive outcomes occur. Specific groups can be defined that so seriously impact the statistics so as to make the U.S. appear second-class. Drug-users, smokers, the availability of nearly every modern convenience and mode of transportation leading to accidents, and provisions for feeding all bad habits exist in the U.S. as in no other country, so some groups that become addicted to drugs, alcohol, gangs, etc., obviously skew such statistics, although I find the other country statistics suspect at best. (Doe Mr. Smilee consider Cuba a paragon of first-class medical care?)

    • http://aol Don

      Obama does not want to change medicare. When medicare was first introduce, the republicans fought it like they are doing now with revamping the health care system. Now they think medicare is great. In the future, people will feel the same about this affordable health care system. If certain procedures about paying is out of whack, they will change it. The republicans still want the companies make 440 billion dollars a year while some patients who are paying for care are being denied. I don’t know why you think this is a good thing? The republicans say they are for competition, but when Obama will introduce companies that will introduce reasonable rates, the Republicans are against this. Also,why are you camparing a run down country like Cuba to the US?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        From all that Ive been reading lately studying up on this, medi-care and medi-caid are totally corrupt with hospitals and doctors fleecing the government for billions of dollars, overcharging for everything. My question is, Smilee says its wonderful coverage, and I believe him, so its good in that respect. But how do doctors and hospitals and clinics get away with ripping off the government, which in this case is your and my hard earned tax dollars? Why isnt there someone or some agency to overlook this sort of thing? All I have seen is its a billion dollar baby for the medical industry, and judging by all the new hospitals and clinics being built, this economic slow down, hasnt slowed them down a bit. In fact, they are doing a 3.5 billion, yes thats right, billion expansion on a local hospital here in Fort Wayne. Maybe someone in the government should look into drug costs, hospital costs, doctor costs, and get this crap under control, and we wouldnt need this talk of national health care, which isnt all its cracked up to be. My 85 year old parents would be soon dead with it, because they are expendable with national health care. But medicaid and medicare seem to be legal licenses for doctors, therapists, hospitals and clinics to rip off the government, and I would like to know why it is tolerated? Any answers out there?

        • annnort

          I may be able to shed one little thing. We have a proliferation(sp) of hospitals in the Charlotte NC area. ALL the hospitals are Not For Profits! Almost all the doctors are tied to at least one, some more than one, of the hospitals! The hospitals and doctors have grouped together because we can not get tort reform in North Carolina. Our state government is top heavy with lawyers who got rich following ambulances. Remember John Edwards? I can only assume the hospitals are self insuring some of the terrifically high costs of malpractice insurance. There may be problems with our health care system, but I do not want this administration and this congress to FIX it! You and I will be FIXED indeed!

    • Smilee

      G. Mann on August 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm:

      You are quite good at spinning my post. My dad retired a year before Medicare went into effect. I have had relatives (many of them) on Medicare every year since it has been in effect and have been power of attorney for several people on Medicare and now on it my self and you know what not once have I encountered any of the problems you cite over this 45 year period. I think you are nothing more that a spin doctor for someone or yourself who has a vested interest that has been milking the health care system for the last fifty years and especially the last 20 or you are a complete fool who knows nothing about Medicare and wants to look as what he thinks is an impressive post. The veterans is a different plan and has problems especially the last eight years when Bush increased all the rationing. Law prohibits this in Medicare, Bush tried to screw up medicare last year and the courts stopped him as it was against the law, he did not have the power there he has in the veterans plan. You have totally distorted and spun what Obama is doing as well. You sure are working hard to be sure the truth will not be known. Medicaid did all right until the feds turned it over to the states and let them make most of the decisions and I admit it now leaves a lot to be desired but the Medicare laws don’t allow any of these things to happen as the laws governing the other plan as well as the private plans need reforming. Medicare now is the best model we have and we should take a hard look at it as one means of reform. It is a well thought out plan that partners with the private sector and has none of the problems the private sector only plans have. You see I was only talking about Medicare and not the other plans you infer I made comments about which I did not. So why not take off your mask and tell us who you really are as we know you are a phony.

      • G. Mann

        Dear Mr. Smilee,

        You apparently misunderstand or have intentionally misconstrued my post to you. I have stated most clearly that Medicare has been quite good overall as far as seniors go. And to call me a “..spin doctor for someone…”?! It is obvious that you speak with a bare modicum of understanding and experience or knowledge of the subject.

        If you have not found mistaken billings in some of the paperwork you say you’ve dealt with over the a significant number of years, it can only be because you did not understand what you were looking at or you never looked. Further, name calling is the last refuge of dimwits and scoundrels, so I see no reason for further discourse with you. I can only hope that you come to your senses before you further the drive by the current administration to sunder this nation apart. Do make an attempt to actually read what you appear to so fervently support – it may help you come to your senses before it is too late for us all!

        Good day.

        • Smilee

          G. Mann Reply: August 7th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

          I do not buy your allegations of all the mistakes you cite, however, there is fraud out there and some of the mistakes you cite indicate this is what you are talking about. I just never had that experience with it and you seem to believe everyone does and just how the hell could you possibly know what other peoples experiences with it are. That’s exrtremely arrogant of you and demonstrates your bias in this matter. I have professionally dealt with insurance all my life and I damm well know what I am talking about. I also know what is needed in reform to correct the problems existing both with the government programs and the more serious ones with the private third party payers. You sir do not understand or you are spinning much of what you say in your original post and again makes clear in this post as well. By spinning I mean you are misrepresenting what is going on or you are ignorant of what is going on in health care delivery in all types of delivery we have today and if you believe the private sector will change its stripes without the government regulations you are bigger fool yet. The private sector has had over forty years on their own or with relaxed regulations and choose not to correct the problems they have caused and has now totally ruined it for everyone. I stand fully behind my first post and your second is also not based on fact so I still believe you are nothing more than a Spin Doctor albeit not a very good one in my opinion.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Now you all need to know, that Smilee and I often dont see eye to eye, but I always give credit where credit is due, and Smilee knows his stuff when it comes to Medicare and Medicaid, and I would listen to him on it.

        • annnort

          I am 73 and my husband is 71. We have been on Medicare since we were 65 and have a supplement with AARP. My husband has had open heart surgery since going on Medicare. With our prescription coverage we pay about $8,000 per year. We paid in, as did our empoyers, since the beginning of Medicare and we each pay $98 a month subtracted from our SS. That is figured in the total per year above. So you see it is not cheap to be on Medicare! They have lessened the pay back so that many doctors are not taking new Medicare patients. However, if the government would stop using SS and Medicare funds and if congress would just raise the cap a little on earnings, there would be more money for Medicare and also SS and no body would even notice! That is, if congress could get a stimulus bill that would put people back to work at jobs that are not contract jobs! I check all our bills to make sure we are charged correctly. Since we do not send the paper work to Medicare or AARP, we have to trust. From the Medicare statements I have not seen any duplicate payments. AARP pays the 20% that Medicare does not pay (after Medicare has reduced the pay back by hundreds!). When we go to the doctor or hospital, we pay nothing. We appreciate this as we consider that we have already paid for it! Medicare was not given to us!

  • Other Larry

    So this thread being about the dollar being thrown under the bus without too much thought and consideration by Mr. Smilee (the snake oil salesman) and his band of bandits …… you betcha they would! Even he said last week he hasn’t read the proposed Healthcare legislation …. he just wants it, but is also quick on the trigger to criticize anyone who questions any of the obvious quirks. Needing reform and deforming a system requires serious deliberation, not mandating in a few weeks life changing events.
    The course we are on should be and I think is obvious to most on this thread, but many folks are going to be run over by the bus long before they realize what hit them. If you have a few dollars left, enjoy it now it will be worth less and taxed more!

    • Smilee

      I am very informed on health care and admit I have not read all of it but I have read some of it and also read some of what I have found on conservative web sites claiming to be the plan on the government plan and when you compare the two, guess what the ones on the conservative sites are totally different and nothing but a bold faced lie. This is not the final plan it is still a work in progress and reading it totally is premature at this time as it will change some before it is voted on. Where you been the last forty years there has been serious deliberation going on for that long, this is not something new, efforts to stall it are nothing more that conservative efforts to get time to kill reform as we know they want none. It appears this subject is too deep for you and you lack ability to comprehend what is really going on. If you are going to offer any real input on this subject you should really learn more about what is going on.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ok Smilee, Im going to have to trust you on this one, because you have been involved with medicaid or medicare, and I myself have not. My question is, is that I have been reading up on this, and I have been reading your posts both here and on other threads, and you tell me that the coverage you received from this is great compared to what ever it was you had before. That is good to know for my older years, and I believe in what you are telling me. What I want to know, from the reading Ive been doing on this, is how doctors and hospitals and clinics are getting away with over-billing and just basically fleecing the government, which in this case is us tax payers, by overcharging for everything? How do they legally get away with it? I know for fact from seeing bills of people with medi-caid, that the charge was 3 times the amount of someone without it, because I have seen the same procedure on two different people in my family, one with medi-caid and one with out, and the medi-caid was triple in cost. Its like they have a license to steal. How is this? Have you heard anything about this going on? It doesnt seem right.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          I agree there is fraud perpetrated on the government by the private sector in theses government health plans and it needs reform and I think you will see some of that, not sure what form it will take as yet., many in the private sector in many areas rape the US treasury and some get by with it by using their lobbyists to cover their ass and others use their lobbyist to get corporate welfare which is the lions share of our dollars in the overall scheme of our total welfare system. Believe it or not the lion’s share of welfare is spent on the rich. An example, in HUD 235 the subsidized housing act, congress left it up to HUD to determine some of the rules, a great many of these mortgages where at real high interest rates when the 30 years mortgages were made, for example if it was 12.5% when written and it dropped to 5% as some did, well, during the Reagan years mortgage rates dropped and many wanted to refinance at the lower rate and thus a lower payment, but the Reagan administration with Jack Kemp signing the order as HUD Secretary forbid this thus preserving the banks 12.5% interest rate and us taxpayers paying million so the banks could continue to receive this higher rate. As the government holds a second mortgage on these properties and can retrieve up to 50% of the net equity at the time of sale, but if the mortgage is refinanced the second mortgage then becomes the first mortgage and HUD decided it you refinanced the second mortgage was immeadiately to be fully due and payable forcing the home owner to either increase the principal of the new loan to cover both mortgages and thus no longer affordable to him in most cases or leave it as it and then be forced to borrow up to half the government subsidy and if HUD had chosen to allow it and congress had given them that power to then the home would no longer be subsidized and the home owner and the tax payer would have saved money. The banks income at the expense of the taxpayers is preserved. Many of these mortgages still exist today and each month the government pays these subsidies that in effect preserve the banks profits and in effect subsidizes them. This is how conservatives protect the riche’s money and shit on the poor and it became our way of life starting with Reagen. You see conservatives are not opposed to welfare for the rich only when it is spent on the poor, which they seem to have a very profound hatred for. Yes reforms for fraud are needed in many area of government, health care included. The rich have lobby power the poor have no one and thus are treated very badly and the rich that get the lions share of welfare are treated royally by conservatives. We need all kinds of reform in many area of government, the business lobbies give money to both parties but more to conservatives because they know they get the best results in realizing their greed there. I am all for all kinds of reforms that would save us taxpayers billions but I doubt with lobbies and conservative attitudes towards the wealthy this will not happen easily if at all. Two many voters want the staus quo and have not the foggiest idea how expensive it is for them. There are many similar goings on that parallel the mortgage scam I told you about above and it became much more common place during and after the Reagan administration.

          • http://donthaveone Mark

            From all the looking up of it Ive done, Ive found HUD is pretty much been and continues to be run by the democrats, so if it is benefitting the rich, Id then have to say the democrats are the rich, as they seem to own everything anymore, but somehow have this alliance with the so called poor and middle class, that they are poor and the republicans are rich. How does this happen? Up until this last election, where McCain because of his age has had more time on earth to accumulate wealth, but other than this one, all of the other elections the democratic candidate had far more money and was worth far more money than the republican candidate. The democrats are the rich guys, and thats a fact the public needs to comprehend. They say one thing, but all they do benefits themselves, the rich.

  • Other Larry

    So like Nike, “JUST DO IT”, we need to get on to the next rock to over turn? Hell yes we need reform in Health Care, but none of us know what that has been thrown at the wall to stick, therefore I feel compelled to be concerned. That just makes me troubled, not a conservative. Take another sip and cool down!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The reform we need is for the medicine costs to be lowered, for doctors malpractice insurance to be lowered along with medical school costs lowered, so we dont have be paying high doctor bills to pay for this stuff. But we do not need the government running it. They screw up everything they run. The school system is a good example of it. They keep spending more and more on it, and the educations are getting worse and worse. This is the power of the government running things.

  • http://www.nesara.us Rick

    Nesara.us is the solution sponsored by the One and only Creator of everything everywhere. Time to rid ourselves of the fear and negative approach to living. It is
    time to get out of the box thinking. The solution is to be announced soon. We are just about there. It is time to stand up and take your place in the love and light of our Creator whatever you know her/him by. We already have the solutions to all our ills. It is a matter of announcing it after removal of many in high places. It is time to pay the price of the crimes against humanity of days gone by former and many in the current administration. They all know who they are. Many have already been removed.

  • Tom

    The jews will deserve what they get.They support the darken of America
    so that they can rule animal farm.When the blacks and hispanics take over America the jews can kiss Israel good by.So the same jews who do not want the blacks or hispanics in their neighborhoods but hate the white anglos so much will get paid back in spades.In the end they will cry nand cry but there will be no one to help them.Maybe they can make a deal with the chinese.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The jews have been persecuted for centuries, and will continue to be persecuted, as they still are disobediant to God in not accepting his Son Jesus Christ. They still are God’s chosen people, and He will always save a remnant of them, but they still dont get it after all these years. Heck, a lot of them were right there with Jesus when he was performing miracles right and left, and they didnt get it. So you are right when you say a lot of them will miss the boat. That it a shameful fact.

  • Cathy Lowry

    Mark:
    Michigan is mostly democratic due to all the unions that “rule” the automotive industry here and the manufacturing sector in total. Teacher unions are big here too. There are strongly held republican areas, but they can’t carry the state. Detroit is democratic, Grand Rapids, the 2nd largest city, is slightly heavier on the demo side.
    Unions are, in my opinion, the downfall of this country. There was a time when they
    were needed to institute safety reform in working conditions, but they’re no longer needed. The union demands for higher wages to install a lugnut on a car, better healthcare, vision care, eye care, dental care, and life-time pensions with built-in cost of living increases that kill profitability in business. Unions wield enormous and undue influence in government. Unions got Obama elected, along with Acorn which is “up to their eyeballs in healthcare reform,” as quoted by their founder, Wayne Radke, a questionable character.

    • annnort

      If Obama gets rid of the dollar, we will not have to worry about the labor unions cause there will be none. Neither Russia nor China has unions and it will be their currency that trumps ours. UN be d@mned. And the hispanics and blacks do not need think they will be in the majority. China and Russia are huge and are yellow and white! Anyway, if any of us remain, we will ALL be SLAVES!

      • Smilee

        annnort

        That’s what having strong unions will prevent in this country, doubt that will penetrate your thick skull though

    • Smilee

      Cathy Lowry says:
      August 11, 2009 at 12:22 pm

      Cathy

      I’m going to guess that you have never been a member of an Union as your post indicates you do not understand the Labor/Management model in this country today or in the past. Up until 30 years ago Unions were very effective all people including non union people made for the most part a living wage, then the Conservatives gained enough power to change that through changes in law etc and the big corporations started no longer paying living wages in the non union sector and become good at breaking unions and thus diminished their power, however, those who are still union do in most but not all cases make a living wage with very good benefits. They average wages for union are over $200.00 pr week more than their non union counterparts and have better benefits, Union members have good health care coverage where many non union have none of pay a much higher portion of the premiums. The point I’m am making is that when one makes a living wage he does not have to use government programs to supplement his wages which is happening big time today. Child Care, food stamps, earned income refunds, medical etc. Making Unions weak has a financial impact on everyone and thus the reason voters have come to their government for this help and the demand of voters is the reasons it has put these programs into law. Liberals understand this conservatives do not and that is why they support unions as this keeps this in the private sector and thus reduces the need for welfare programs. Conservative mind sets are what created the need for welfare in this country. Unions never rule a Company, management does, you are certainly are mixed up on that. Unions negotiate with companies and a labor agreement is an agreement that both are a party to. Companies having the greater power today makes them much more in control today that years ago and then we did not have these problems with all these people forced to work for sub- standard wages today so the need for welfare programs have sky rocketed and that is not the fault of Unions, they are just a whipping boy for you misinformed people who blame people based on your biases and not on facts.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Exactly. Unions started out as a good thing, keeping greedy owners from paying unfair wages, a form of slave labor. Now they are so corrupt, that it will be their undoing pretty soon. You cannot build or plan to build anything in New York, Massachusetts, Chicago, Detroit and all these union thug places, without first paying off the mob. Its a fact. You do not do business without paying off the mob and getting their approval. Do you know how much that drives up costs, and who pays for it? Yep, all of us. When they can shut down their employer, because their greedy asses want more, something is wrong. I would close my company if I owned one and my workers unionized and dictated to me, the guy that pays them, on how it is going to be. No no, Id close down. Here 15 years ago, I worked at a place for 8.20 an hour. My brother was working at a Dana plant, a UAW job making 28.00 an hour. Thier contract was up, and the guys there were saying they were going on strike if they didnt get a big raise. I was at a party they had and heard this, and I stuck out my pinky. They said whats that mean. I said Id glady cut if off to be making the 28.00 an hour they werent happy with. I told them what the hell is the matter with you guys. Cryin out loud I make 8.20 an hour and Im paying all my bills, and you need more than the 28.00 an hour you make to assemble axle parts? Good grief, unbelievable. They feel like life owes them, instead of them owing life. So the dummies went on strike, and first 800 jobs were moved, then 1000 more, and now this plant that once had like 5000 guys working there, is down to 300. All because they wanted more, the greedy little suckers. But this is the union mentality, give me more and more and more, and Ill give you less and less and less. My buddy works at GM here in town, and tells me of how he has never seen such waste, and guys standing around doing nothing day after day after day, and when the bosses approach them, they tell the boss to screw off and go away, and they get away with it. Now see, what some dont understand, I worked myself after this in Union shops for 13 years, at 3 different business. One for 8 years before they closed, and we had 5 unions in that one. What a mess that was. 3 years in another one, and 2 at the last one. I worked my ass off, and got chastized and told to slow down because I was making guys look bad. Unreal. I got no where, and couldnt advance to a better job, because is wasnt about how good of a worker you were, it was about how long you had been there. Guys with 20 years in, you see they didnt have to work anymore, they just came in and got a check, and wouldnt lift a finger. The teamsters said they didnt have to. The IBEW said they didnt have to. The machinists and aerospace union said they didnt have to. The Laborers Union said they didnt have to. The engineers union said they didnt have to. For the last thirteen years, I have been in a non union shop, with an electrical contractor, where I have advanced from being the truck driver, to being the pre-fabrication man, to now working the front office as the Field Resource Coordinator, ordering all the electrical parts. We are what is called a small business, we do around 18 million a year, but Ive more than doubled my wages , closer to tripling them in 13 years, because I could work hard and apply myself, and not be held back by a dumb union that pushes mediocrity. They are bad for business, as Ive seen and Ive lived it, and I dont care how much people may say in favor of it, I lived it and its bad for business. I saw the thousands of dollars it costs them. I saw the workers with no commitment to their company. They dont care. Unions are bad for this country, and that is a fact. They werent always, but now they are. This isnt one mans opinion, this is a fact I lived.

  • Cathy L.

    Let’s get back to health insurance reform. Why are the democrats calling those who
    don’t want the proposed healthcare bill being called, unpatriotic, unamerican, astroturfers? Because the democrats refuse to believe that there are real people who
    don’t want to turn over control of their health to the gov’t! The democratic strategy is to marginalize and demonize people who are objecting, so they can get other people to buy into this evil program. This bill must be defeated!

    Unbelievably, Rahm Emmanuel’s brother who is a physician, is a key advisor on healthcare in Obama’s administration. Dr. Ezekial Emanuel is an advocate of “quality adjusted life years.” That is a formula to determine if your life is worth saving. He wrote an article that he called “the complete lives system” which is a method to ration healthcare based on people’s worth to society. The very young and the very old would receive less care because they have less to contribute. In his words, his formula “produces a priority curve on which individuals between 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, where as the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenduated, ” or are less worthy of healthcare. This is an abomination! Where have these people come from? They are absolutely evil!

    Rise up people, fight this bill with all your might! If this passes, this will be the beginning of the proverbial “slippery slope, ” where euthanisia will become commonplace, and gov’t control in the most personal area of our lives — our health –
    will be accepted. If we have to revolt in the streets to save the weak and the old, we must do it!!!!!!

    • Smilee

      Many have checked this statement out and found that Rahm Emmanuel’s statements where taken out of context by the a former republican LT. Governor of NY and found to be a bold faces lie, it is the one you state here and is found on many conservative sites and contributes to this misinformation of which conservatives have become famous for and are increasing the amount of misinformation in hopes of scaring people from reform so as to preserve the status quo or in other words keep the system broken and unaffordable for many, keep the high rates of bankruptcy etc. Conservatives seem to like pain except when it is they feeling it and then they scream and cry like babies.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        High rates of bankruptcy will always be with us, as we will always have unresponsible people borrowing more money than they know they can pay back, and we will always have financial institutions making bad loans to these people who wont pay back the loan. When we let a guy open a business, and he owes all kinds of people money, he can file bankruptcy. A week later he can open the same kind of business under another name, and start all over, but still these other people he owed from the other business name, never get paid. Our legal system should not support this behavior. There have been individuals whose personal wealth exceeded 10 million dollars, but their business went bankrupt, and the two are kept separate,so the guy sucks all the money out of the business and baloons his personal account, then files bankruptcy and has the money in his personal account, but that is separate from his business account, and he is allowed to keep the money in it, while screwing his creditors. Its all screwed up how the legal system allows for this kind of behavior, and as long as they do, your going to have all kinds of crooked bankruptcys going on. Our legal system is also broken, much more than our health system.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Thats because to them, we are disposable numbers, not people. Im glad God doesnt see us that way.

  • Shea

    We born again believers are seeing the end times I feel. So much is falling into place for the antichrist when he appears. The World is setting its stage. What we can do, is still live a godly life and try and spread the gospel to whomever we can. It is so hard today to see our country fall into immorality and humanism, but like the 1st century bereans we must march on and soon we will be with our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Indeed. All the prophecies have been fulfilled, except the revealing of the lawless one. Ive read in some posts that people think it is Obama, but no, not even. The Word says I will recognize him, as will all believers whose eyes have been opened. He has not came yet.

  • Jauharah

    Why are people talking about President Obama having an agenda of “being the one-world leader” when presidents before (yes the White men) had the same objective? Who complained then? No one except the rest of the world.

    The rest of the world hates America (and Americans – or rather White Americans – by association) not because of the wealth in this country per se but rather because of the arrogance that is partnered with it. The US does NOT own every natural resource on earth. The wealth of this nation is unfairly distributed with White having/controlling most of it NOT because they worked for it (there were no Whites in slavery forcibly ripped from their homes and forced to work for free until they drew their last breath) so most of the wealth was illegally obtained but the trail of that illegality was wiped from the records.

    Everything in this country is contaminated with racial division – economic and educational opportunities; religion; neighborhoods – everything. For a long time interracial dating or marriage was a crime. This brand of racism has spread like a disease across the rest of the globe.

    Immigrants come to these shores in search of a piece of the money pie but what they find is that the most uneducated and ignorant person can get ahead as long as his skin is White whereas the most educated and intellectual person with darker skin is held back. I purposely said “his” because there is also no complete equity for women in the United States yet we want to import our ideals on other countries as well while criticizing their treatment of women.

    If the US were to lose its place and the keepers of the dominate global currency the fault would not be President Obama’s; he inherited this freaking mess from Bush and we’ve been on a downward spiral for years. What has happened is that our own messed up economy has impacted the economies of other countries (except perhaps those of the EU with a more stable Euro). In fact isn’t that what the oil issue was really all about? The OPEC countries wanted to deal in Euros rather than US dollars and Bush threw a tantrum (like the whiney – wine-o – punk he is) and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq after orchestrating the events of 9/11 (especially the willful shooting down of the third plane and the fabrication of the fourth plane hitting the Pentagon).

    President Obama has a mess to correct but I believe he can do it if people would stop hating him just because his skin isn’t White and support him because he was fairly elected as President of this nation.. The equitable distribution of this nation’s wealth is the right thing to do; it will help everyone find stability. Then add in equal access to free higher education and employment opportunity and then we will see who fails to prosper.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      So according to your racist chants here, and yes, you definately have a race problem my friend, but according to you if one isnt white he doesnt have a chance to succeed or be anything. So then, how did a black man like Barack Obama become president, and are you aware of just how many of these “evil white people” voted for him? I am sure glad when the day comes when I look Jesus in the eye, that he isnt going to care whether I am white, black, red, yellow, green or blue. I would suggest you get to know Jesus, so that when you look upon other men, you dont see their color either and let that corrupt the way you think and treat them. Kapish Amigo?

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    Recently I was made aware that travel on airlines included payment equivalent to SDRs (Special Drawing rights) issued from the IMF (International Monetary Fund) for missing luggage. The SDRs are also being used in the USPS (United States Postal Service) for international shipment on insured parcels if they become lost or damaged. So, already we are having a international currency being introduced. It’s only a matter of time when all our trade will be in SDRs.

  • http://cfl.rr.com Coming Your way

    “Everything in this country is contaminated with racial division – economic and educational opportunities; religion; neighborhoods – everything. For a long time interracial dating or marriage was a crime. This brand of racism has spread like a disease across the rest of the globe.”

    Friend – racism was in the “Old world” long before here.
    As far as the fourth plane goes, I had a friend who was on the plane.
    He died. The plane was removed from the airline’s books and insurance paid. And, no, the plane is NOT in a bone yard!

    BTW, nothing manmade is “free”. some one pays for it. That means morning school lunches, any healthcare, rent, etc., etc.

  • Duncan

    First recognize that everything occurs in cycles and is driven by choice when it comes to people. I would consider myself pragmatic, which means that both political parties have ideas and solutions of merit. I’ll define my pragmatism as driven by a term I use to describe a life the humans anywhere desire…..Continuity.

    Given my above description, here is my opinion with reasoned based support.

    1) Universal healthcare of some sort is necessary and good. The current, profit based insurance model, system is unsustainable. If you donated 20 dollars to your church and someone in the middle managed that donation and then carved off 5 dollars as profit and gave the church 15 would that be ethical and morally ok? What if it were more like 10 dollars instead of 5 and it was for direct care to your children. The purpose of healthcare is to create Continuity in the form of long term relationships between people. These long term relationships (marriage, friends, relatives) give purpose to life. Profit based medical insurance inhibits Continuity by forcing people to make decisions that destroy Continuity, for example: waiting until an abscessed tooth becomes infected instead of getting proactive dental care. Every decision in the existing model is reactive as opposed to proactive. This current system destroys Continuity just as efficiently as being convinced that you should live in an apartment by yourself as this will show your independence/individuality….nope, you just helped destroy the Continuity of your family.

    2) The entire reactive medical profession of taking a pill to solve a problem is so unnatural. Millions of years of evolution shows that the human body has adapted to prefer daily vigourous physical activity. Food that is very fresh and what I term close to the planet (not processes). Adhering to these two behaviours promote Continuity. The other way is a loosing battle as only a fool believes he can change something that took several millions of years to evolve (humans) and NOT have any delitarious effects (see antibiotic immunities). Continuity is best attained by living in concert with and not battling against you natural body.

    3) Military approach to problems….nope, it’ll end horribly for those who think it is best.

    4) Believing that there is an end of the world, Christianity, will only mean that you will create such an outcome because you believe it to be. Remember, conservatives lament at liberals for being negative. Armaggedon trumps anything the liberals have thought of in the last 2000 years. You can see the manifestation of the end of the world thought by the types of weapons a society develops. Creating there reality that will be used on them and not their percieved enemies. No Continuity in this model of belief.

    Thinking + Reasoning = Success

  • margaret kelly

    Out of the ENTIRE WORLD..ECONOMICALLY WE ‘STAND LAST’…and China stands ‘first’! This is TRUE! ! !…and now OBAMA wants to take away our monetary system? ? ? I say simply…’NUTS’ to him and his anti American cronies!

  • Mary J Goode

    Where did you get the ideal that Obama was going to abandon the dollar bill. You must be dreaming. And if he was to do something like that, the dollar is not worth the paper its printed on.This is how lies gets started.LoL

  • Paul Trood

    I will admit to not knowing much about your health care system but I can comment on the system in Australia which works pretty dam well.
    In Australia we have Medicare where everyone that works pays 1% of their income. If unemployed you are covered through unemployment benefits. This provides you with total choice of your G.P. and pays you back around 60% of out of pocket expense, dependent on how much your G.P. charges per consultation. This also gives you access to the Public Hospital system and dependent on your illness there can be some waiting time for treatment. If you are in an emergency treatment is immediate. You pay nothing more for these services.
    If you have Private health Care you have your choice of Private Hospital and doctor. Private health care comes in many levels of coverage from basic to top of the line. I for example have the most comprehensive cover available which includes dental, chiro, physio, alternative and more. For this cover I pay $1,700AUS per year, around $1,400US. Now because I choose to pay my own way and therefor reduce the pressure on the public system the Federal government rewards me with a rebate of around $600AUS which means I pay $1,100AUS for the top cover. Private costs are kept low because of COMPETITION. I privately purchase my cover, nothing to do with my employer, and can do so with any insurance company in the country. Out of my state, anywhere. This is how costs are kept low, by PURE COMPETITION.

  • Elaine

    I am very pleased with my healthcare. I would not like to see anything change in my personal healthcare plan.

    The Obama plan will eventually lead to companies dropping their current healthcare plan. In many cases this will result more cost effective than paying the penalty. In the end many of us that were pleased with private healthcare will be forced to an inferior public, government run program.

    Obama’s true intention is that the government will run the private sector out of business, throwing us all into the public plan or one payer system.

  • Elaine

    The argument is not “reform or no reform”.

    Reform is needed, but a complete takeover of the American Healthcare system by the government is not the answer. Instead let us focus on what is broken and fix that component.

    We are not perfect, but I truly believe in my heart that we are a great nation…the greatest in the world. Simply take a look at the census data to find that the US ranks #1 in immigration to the nation as well as #1 in the fewest citizens leaving the nation. That says something about this great nation we live in.

    My parents and grandparents came here from Cuba 48 yrs ago and believe this is the greatest nation in the world…a nation of free choices, freedom of speech, capitalism and free enterprise.
    Yet lately we seem to be moving further away from these principals that make our country different from the rest. Let us not completely rid ourselves of the principals our forefathers founded this nation upon. Let us not limit our choices.

    Since when can we trust our government to do anything correctly?? (No matter what Party is in control)

    Let’s make the US a better country, not a different country, because a complete transformation of the US as we know it can be the biggest mistake of our lives.

  • John

    I beleive that most Americans are completely unaware of this new curency that is to replace the DOLLAR. it is called AMERO DOLLARS. and is going to be used first by MEXICO, CANADA,and the US for starters, (Refer to the NAFTA TRADE agreement bill from the BUBBA Clinton addminastrtion.) and then it will include a total of TEN countries under one leader. as it is with the EURO dollars. and will be part of the ONE WORLD ORDER that OB is pushing for.

    as a famos spokes person says,,,, WAKE UP AMERICA

  • Tom Jones

    The republican house and senate along with the Bush administration already passed the legislation to impliment a new currency (called “the Amero”) in 2006. They just postponed its implimentation until Oct. 2009. No doubt due to the time required to coin enough currency to supply all three countries in the North American Union. And pass the “buck” (no pun intended) on to the next administration. Obama actually said NO to the Amero, though I doubt he can stop it, due to the circumstances.

    At the same time the House, Senate, and Bush administration passed legislation to build a superhighway from Canada to Mexico that would allow foreign truckers to haul goods through our country and undercut Americas hard working truckers. A month or so ago the Mexican president was giving Obama “stuff” because Obama refused to keep the Bush administration’s agreements.

    Actually, you guys got to the conspiracy theory too late. This information has been out there for twenty years. I am not saying it is wrong. Just that blame is intentionally being misplaced, and those who were sleeping in class got taken by surprise. I have been prepared for a couple of years now, ever since they collapsed the economy in Oct. ‘07. All my investments are doing just fine, if not improving.

    It is not all bad, at least the Amero is real (gold or silver) unlike the toilet-paper dollar.

  • thomas

    when the amero goes into affect the money u have left will only be worth a fraction of what it is now , everyone will for the most part be on the same level except for the elite/federal reserve ect. the pharmacutical industry has obama in its pocket, if u put all these people on healthcare most likely forcefully because theyll fine u if u dont pick a plan, look at all the money theyll make then, and yes the amero has been made for a few years ready to go. look it up on utube ull see it, also look up new world order monument it promises to take the population down to 150 thousand in the world., it may be 150 million, beware of the h1n1 flu shot

  • the Big M

    Brien Lundin: “… there are many advantages that come along with having your national currency serve as the international medium of exchange. Primary among these is the ability to export many of your economic problems to other regimes. So it’s a good and desirable position to be in.”

    Big M: So you are acknowledging that our national debt is a form of “exporting” “problems.”

    The international exploitation and leverage of our good faith has been a violation of the principles of honest trade. It’s been reckless and unconscionable, a capricious manipulation that is downright immoral. Your “good and desirable” is one sided (and you will burn in HELL if you don’t retract.)

    Brien Lundin: “Frankly, the only way this could happen would be if we allowed it to happen. Which is why I’m worried now.”

    Big M: Wha? Who ever “allows” their debt to be called in? But you are right about the WORRY part, as the 30 year accumulation of debt will in fact BLOW on its own schedule when the sucker “regimes” (as you call them) recognize that the numbers game is finally up and they decide to cut their losses in holding with our abused status in holding the reserve currency!

    Wanna do the right thing for your grandchildren after all?? MONETIZE the debt TODAY. Let’s pay the price NOW so the coming generations can start from a clean slate.

    P.S. – Gold will be a huge JOKE for all you hording morons. Nobody is going to want gold.

  • http://www.whoisjohndenton.com John Denton

    The bible says these things are meant to happen. Turn to God as he is our Salvation.. Jesus is coming soon to a theater near y:)u!

    • http://LibertyDigest Ted Gregg

      He also said: “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his soul?”

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