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Obama, The Duplicitous

January 23, 2013 by  

Obama, The Duplicitous
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During inauguration festivities on Monday, President Barack Obama proclaimed that a decade of war is now ending. Would that it were so.

While he was making this proclamation, Reuters reported the United States has begun transporting French soldiers and equipment to Mali as part of its logistical aid to French forces fighting Islamists in the northern part of the country. Britain, Belgium, Canada and Denmark are also transporting French materiel.

Those militant Islamists the French are fighting are part of the same group NATO armed and used to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi in Libya, and the same ones it’s arming in Syria to keep that nation in turmoil. It’s also part of the same group the United States has been fighting on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. continues to rain death and destruction down on the people of several African countries from Predator drones. That region and Syria will be powder kegs for years to come.

Meanwhile, Chinese leaders have instructed the People’s Liberation Army to get ready for war.

China’s General Staff Headquarters issued a harsh directive last week to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to prepare for war, writes Generational Dynamics. The directive stated:

In 2013, the goal set for the entire army and the People’s Armed Police force is to bolster their capabilities to fight and their ability to win a war … to be well-prepared for a war by subjecting the army to hard and rigorous training on an actual combat basis.

Although past directives have directed soldiers to be prepared in case of war, this year’s directive, for the first time, uses the Chinese word “dazhang,” which means “fighting war,” and uses it 10 times in the 1,000-word directive, according the website.

Apparently, Chinese war hawks have decided the United States is bluffing in the East China Sea and Obama’s strategic “pivot” of U.S. military strategy in the Asia-Pacific region is for show. They are taking their calls for wars against regional neighbors to the airwaves of Chinese TV and radio and to Internet blogs and public speeches.

Among the highlights:

  • Calls for “short, sharp wars” to assert China’s sovereignty.
  • Strike first, prepare for conflict. One term used was “kill a chicken to scare the monkeys.”
  • A short, decisive war, like China’s clash with India in 1962, would deliver long-term peace.
  • “Since we have decided that the U.S. is bluffing in the East China Sea, we should take this opportunity to respond to these empty provocations with something real,“ wrote Chinese Air Force Colonel Dai Xu in the Global Times.
  • “The United States would ‘run like a rabbit’ if China went to war with Japan over the Diaoyu Islands,” Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong told state television on August 12.

Remember, the United States has mutual defense treaties with Japan and the Philippines and assists Taiwan with defense.

Partly out of conflicts of Obama’s own making and partly out of conflicts he may not be able to control, the prospects for the end to perpetual war are slim at best.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Ten years of war is ending. Correct me if I’m wrong but, don’t we still have troops fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

    • ranger09

      Remember folks Bush said the same thing after several months. I just wonder why its been 10 years and the War has just started. And now obama is saying its over. one thing folks these people are not in office for the good of the country and its people.
      i guess France is in their own type of war now, Wonder how much we are paying them.

  • Warrior

    As long as china has “free trade” with US, it surely doesn’t need a war with US. It’s ALL there for the taking. Enjoy you future in the “service” industry. You earned it.

  • DockyWocky

    Who in the name of god does Obama think he’s fooling? With one hand, he pushes the switch that blows his islamic buddies to hell via Hellfire Missiles in Pakistan, and with the other two, three, or four hands, he pats them on the back and ships them plenty of guns and ammo to put Bashar Assad into the garbage compactor. Who else is in his diabolical sights?
    Machiavelli might understand this unvetted interloper, but it seems to me that anyone who plays 2 or 3 sides against the other two or three sides is asking for a swift kick in the figurative ash. Only, this time, he is putting all of our collective ashes into the line of fire.
    Militant, jihadi islam is totally unpredictable, but one thing they always focus on is hurting Americans. I just hope the manage to blow away Barack without endangering innocent Yankee infidel dogs any more than minor casualties.

  • Corkey

    He was telling the truth. A decade of war is ending. But he didn’t say a new decade of war was starting in Africa. Read the fine print!!

  • s mart pants

    Loved how he touted killing OBL and putting Alqueda on their heels again on Monday . Four years of growth ; translation debt growth . Gay rights he opposed for 3 1/3rd years of his administration.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      God always gives a nation a unGodly leader when He is ready to judge a nation and we are going to be judged. Read Lev 18 and He says what He will judge a nation for, the killing of babies and millions have died and not by gun shots, special rights for homosexuals because of the way they choose to have sex, no such thing as homosexual marriage, just a attack on what God created, marriage between a man and a women, created Adam and Eve and not adam and steve, destruction of the family leaving the children to the marxist teachers in public school who don’t teach but spill their propaganda into the brains of those who are there to learn and they become a tool for marxist and become good little brown shirts. Hope the left likes the heat they will bring on this Godless Country. They kicked Him out of the school and opened the door to satan lead shooters, kicked Him out of the public eye and His Commandment “Do not Murder” and we wonder why this nation is sick and dying at the hands of evil marxist clone’s?

      • mark

        You’re being to hard on President Reagan and President George W. Bush. They both exercised horrible judgment and should have been tried for war crimes but the opportunity was lost because those two mass murderers had so much conservative and especially Christian support. There is no one American Christians admired more than white man who commit mass murder. They are living saints to Evangelicals

  • vietnamvet1971

    The Chinese knows Oblowhard is FULL of Cowardism. They are not afraid of the USA as we are a Bankrupt Third World country

    • Steve E

      I can’t think of any reason for China to be afraid of us.

      • Protecthystudents

        China doesn,t fear anyone except their own people. China doesn,t have any history of attacking any country. But, China is right to train for a strong response.

      • ranger09

        Well Think about how we sent russia down hill, We out spent them into bankrupcy, I think the rest of the world is doing the same thing to us

    • mark

      You should try living in a bankrupt Third World country. I’ve been to several of them. Life there makes the poorest American look like a millionaire. Ask them if they can borrow $1 trillion dollars a year every year ad infinitum. They can’t borrow 6 cents.

    • janemarie

      And easy to take over once we are truly destitute. Go to gatesofvienna.com. Understand what is happening in front of our noses and with our blood and money. Good One, angry bastard obama.Oh thank goodness Rand Paul is asking the right, pertinent question- Are we running guns to Turkey to assist them in the Syrian genocide so another country can be taken over by alevite shiites in GLOBAL movement to (obama and erdogan’s ) SHIITE caliphate and thereby position to anilitate Israel? He is assisiting erdogan in the shiite caliphate, firstly by killing UBL(a sunni) and killing all syrian alawites. You will see.

  • eddie47d

    China is now the aggressor in the territorial waters between Vietnam and the Philippines. Neither of these countries have the means to repel the Chinese commercial fleets that ply their waters. China is also attempting to drill for oil within these territorial boundaries. This means that China is abusing the sovereignty of other nations. This is where the UN can [expletive deleted] or get off the pot in these disputes and the USA shouldn’t be the policeman for East Asia.

  • Dave67

    Well, I guess we should get a conservative back in WH, Bush 2 never started any war, same with Bush 1, Reagan never engaged in war tomfoolery either.

    Oh buit I keep forgetting… you do anything hard core conservatives like Mr Livingston doesn’t like, you are thrown out of the conservative club and relegated to the status of Neo-con while Mr Livingston and other conservatives lump liberals and progressives into a nice neat tidy group for the useful idiots to go out and spread the word that conservatism is perfect and conservatives are never responsible for anything wrong in the country and that the world would be fine if we could just have the free market and low taxes and that all the bad things in the world are due to liberals and progressives.

    I guess when American soliders are fighting with the French in Mali Mr Livingston may have a point. Japan and China have been at odds for centuries but the reality still is, China spends a small number on defense compared to the United States. Mr Livingston also does not understand Taiwanese culture or politics. If he did, he would know the young people in Taiwan do not share (rightly or wrongly) the older generation’s distain for China and many young Taiwanese would like to see a reunited Taiwan with China.

    Mr Livingston is once again throwing out the fear card with China. China does not need war. We are their golden goose. We put trade regs in place that allow the Chinese to win with their anti-union, currency manipulating gov which cracks me up that Mr Livingston buys into Mises.org theory which focuses on self-contained economic model as examples and doesn’t address, multi-currencies, different forms of Gov or cultures but we are led to believe that their theory is somehow reality based, its not. China financed the US conservative’s war in Iraq and they are now getting the return on their investment with the oil contracts for China. They are also making major investments in Africa to gain resources to be an economic giant while the US through our greed and corportism that controls our Gov wates our time and money in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. We don’t put the proper resources in our infrastructure, education and we are losing as a result.

    Obama is ending both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and that was his point. Only ignorant conservatives would think that Obama was talking about ALL world conflicts. Change happens but the human traits of greed, arrogance, extreme nationalism, jealousy are fairly consistant and help ensure that wars of various scales will always be with us. Thinking people understand this reality.

    Fear from Mr Livingston once again… That is also a constant.

    • Motov

      OhBozo promised an end to both wars in his first term, why are we still there?
      all of his change you can believe in has been unbelievable! Why isn’t this man in jail?

      • Dave67

        I think you mean George W Bush for starting the BS wars in the first place, putting forth the Patriot Act and outing a CIA operative…

        But then you conseravtives always have it backwards.

      • Wil

        Dave, your propagandist handlers probably have you convinced that Libya,Pakistan and Africa are Bush’s wars as well. He means that Bush has been gone for over 4 years, Obama made a campaign promise to end both wars in his first term, yet they are still going. It is time for Obama to grow up and take responsibility for his own actions.

      • Dave67

        Sorry Wil,

        I know who is responsible for what and I give credit/blame where it is due. Unlike you.

        You know Libya is part of Africa right? We have no boots on the ground there. Pakistan is tied to Afghanistan and you can’t staop a war once you have started it on a dime. If you had any sense, you would know this. And when Obama said we are getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, who complained???

        Conservatives in the GOP.

        So please, open your eyes.

    • Hedgehog

      Dave67, you are totally missing the point! Mr. Livingston is providing a website on which people can express their opinion on a number of topics. His writers throw out articles to provide talking points for discussion. If you don’t like the website don’t respond. If you don’t like some of the comments, don’t reply. If you don’t like some of the topics skip over them, I do! No one is forcing you to participate. Why blame Mr.Livingston for providing a forum for an activity that you engage in voluntarily?

      • phideaux

        ” Why blame Mr.Livingston for providing a forum for an activity that you engage in voluntarily?”

        Dave67 blames Mr Livingston because Dave67 is an unabashed admitted extreem leftist liberal and things are “never their fault but always someone elses fault”.

      • Dave67

        Phid,

        I am an extremist? Please tell me what makes me an extremist. Is it because I think centrist Obama is better than anyone the GOP can trot out? Is it because I do not believe in much of conservatism’s tennets as practiced in this country?

    • Frank Kahn

      Dave67, for now your statement – ” Mr Livingston also does not understand Taiwanese culture or politics. If he did, he would know the young people in Taiwan do not share (rightly or wrongly) the older generation’s distain for China and many young Taiwanese would like to see a reunited Taiwan with China” is a bald assertion without facts to back it up.

      You, may or may not, know of Mr. Livingston’s understanding of Taiwanese culture, however I doubt that you KNOW the true feelings of the YOUNG TAIWANESE. Maybe you can give us a link to some site that shows some fact based statistical analysis of their opinions.

      I have several contacts working in Taiwan that indicate a generally uneasy feeling about the possibility of a new war with China. They are very proud that they defeated China, using U.S. arms and equipment. Now my contacts are not YOUNG TAIWANESE, they are in the 20 – 27 year old category. I would not attempt to say that the Taiwanese in their 20′s are ready to fight to retain their independence, my sampling is too small.

      I am not sure what you mean by Y0UNG, you dont give a specific age group. Lets say, just for argument, that WE should do what our YOUNG want. So, since our YOUNG like chocolate cake for breakfast, our country now believes that we should all eat chocolate cake for breakfast! The YOUNG believe that SODOMY is OKAY so our ENTIRE country should accept SODOMY! The YOUNG think that GUNS are BAD, so our entire country should fear and get rid of GUNS! Our YOUNG think that you should always have SEX when you go out on a date, so we should all encourage our teenagers to have sex on their dates!

      All of those things are radical ideas, they are not the POSITION of a majority of regular adult citizens of our country. They should not be adopted by the adults because they are the result of faulty immature thinking. A person might even question where these ideas come from. Were the YOUNG taught to believe these radical ideas? Who taught them these ideas? Why would someone claim that we BELIEVE these things just because OUR YOUNG do?

      So, first, please state the source of your claim that YOUNG TAIWANESE believe they should be under Communist rule from China. Second, explain why it makes any difference what the YOUNG believe.

      Also, on the matter of China, they need a good butt whipping for what they are doing in the whole area, including Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines. Mr. Livinston also left out the mention of what China is doing in Australia.

      • Dave67

        Frank, do you know what communisim is? If you think that is China then you have no idea what you are talking about. Since Hong Kong was given back to China from the British, China has morphed into a quasi-capitalist/socialist authoritarian country. The emphasis is on AUTHORTARIAN

        China is not, not have ever been communist. Communism has no strong central Gov, no class system and no personal property or possessions (hence commune).

        I know what I know about Taiwan due to doing business with the country, having friends including a VP of Gartner that goes to Taiwan every quarter and who is married to a woman who is from Taiwan and still have most of her family there so lets just say I will take my knowledge over yours. Taiwan and China used to be much farther apart economically and politically, there has been movement by China to become for like Taiwan and the younger generation simply do not have the experience of dealing with the old China during the Chiang Kai-shek era. They see China (rightly or wrongly) in a different light than the previous generations.

        As far as the older generations being right through experience? It was the generation that experienced WW2 that got us into Vietnam. They have no market cornered on that

        • Frank Kahn

          First, Dave, you dont have the intellect to try and school me on communism. I know that there is no communism in the world today. Most of them are just extreme socialism with totalitarian governments. All of the major industry in China is Government controlled. What you might call capitalism is not even close.

          I dont care what you think is correct, your source is no better than mine. I stated that my source was insufficient to make an informed decision, you fail to accept the same thing.

          If China attempts any more imperialistic invasion of the sovereign territories of other small nations, they need a swift and decisive butt kicking by the only power in the world capable of handling it.

          Starting with the Philippines, if China makes another move against them it must be war. The Philippines is under our protection and must be supported in its fight against the Chinese world power grab.

          You cant cure stupid, you have to eliminate it. China is being stupid now so it needs eliminated. Do you insist on joining the stupid set?

      • Dave67

        So just so I am clear Frank. If China tries what we did in Iraq, we have the moral authority to kick their butts..

        Do I have that straight?

        • Frank Kahn

          Before I answer will you clarify if you are referring to my assertion about the Philippines?

      • Dave67

        This is what I am referring to:

        “If China attempts any more imperialistic invasion of the sovereign territories of other small nations, they need a swift and decisive butt kicking by the only power in the world capable of handling it.”

        So basically if China does the same thing we did in Iraq, you say we should kick thewir butts because we are the only ones that possess the moral judgement and authority to decide who gets invaded and destroyed.

        • Frank Kahn

          Thank you Dave, I was hoping you would fall for that little bit of stupidity.

          First you assume that I believe that we were morally justified to invade Iraq, second you make a false comparison of Iraq and the Philippines.

          There are major differences in the two situations. The leader and his family in Iraq perpetrated extreme violence on their citizens all the way up to and including attempted genocide. I have yet to hear about Aquino performing such atrocities. While I am very aware of the financial corruption in the government of the Philippines, that is not on par with brutality and death.

          Unlike those people in this country that always want to say “well they did it so it is okay if we do”, I dont make arguments based on who did what to who in the past.

          If you come to my home and try to move in and claim it is yours, I will kill you, plain and simple. You have no right to claim what I own no matter who you are. Why? Because I am a sovereign person. The same is true for a country, nobody has the right to claim the property of another sovereign. What belongs to the Philippines belongs to them, not to China. When China claimed everything in the south China sea as a part of their territory they lied. They do not now nor never did own Taiwan, they have NEVER owned a single square foot of any part of the Philippines. Spain had such a claim, considering the fact that they consolidated the islands and created the Philippines but they were ousted by the native population a long time ago. Any claim by Spain would need to be approved by international law not military force. Any pretense of a claim by China should also be required to go through international law and not force. If they try to unilaterally take what is not theirs then they must be stopped.

          your statement “So basically if China does the same thing we did in Iraq, you say we should kick thewir butts because we are the only ones that possess the moral judgement and authority to decide who gets invaded and destroyed.” is judgmental and unrealistic.

          What we did in Iraq has nothing to do with it, if some other country thinks we need our butts kicked for Iraq then let them do it.

          This is not about morality it is about what is legal.

      • Dave67

        Frank, Frank, Frank,

        When did Iraq attack this country? They didn’t. Why did Saddam attack his own people 11 years prior to the BS war Bush started? Bush 1told the Kurds and Shites that if you rise up and overthrow Saddam, we will support your efforts. Guess what? Bush lied… So Iraq is different because you say it is.

        Whatever Frank.

      • janemarie

        Wake up, Frank. Rand Paul is asking the right, question- Are we running guns to Turkey to assist them in the Syrian genocide so another country can be taken over by alevite shiites in GLOBAL movement to (obama and erdogan’s ) SHIITE caliphate and thereby position to anilitate Israel?

        • Frank Kahn

          First of all janemarie, I am not sleeping, second, you are arguing apples to oranges. My point is about the Chinese and their current colonialism attempts in Asia.

          If you want to discuss the implications of Benghazi and the possible weapons supply for different Muslims sects, that is fine, but it is not relevant to the Chinese. Just because we might be arming terrorists and assisting in the unlawful overthrow of Mideastern nations does not give China the right to do the same thing in Asia.

  • Chester

    Dave67, in this case, both you and Mr. Livingston may well be right. China doesn’t need a war with us for financial or commercial reasons, but they do need it for true Oriental reasons, the big one being called face. If they can do a couple of quick hits in the region without the US getting involved, then they will have gained face throughout the entire orient, Japan included, Oh the other hand, if they do that, and we respond quickly and forcefully enough to stop them in their tracks, then WE gain face, and China loses. So, if they do start something, and we do get involved, expect a long, drawn out affair, with major losses on both sides.

    • Bill

      Chester
      China will not go to war with us, for now. We are their biggest customer for the products they make and they are going to keep their best paying customer on the hook.

      The time to worry is when they can survive by only selling their products to themselves.

    • ranger09

      Just remember in korea we had to face the chinese because we kept pushing towards the china border, and failed to heed their warnings about what our intensions were.This you can blame on our generals and state dept Our people gave them the idea that we were going on into China. After two warnings we found out the chinese Do not warn you twice.
      And No we do not want a war with china, Because if we did This would be a Real War.

  • Bill

    Obamas economic policies have prolonged the recession and will continue to do so as long as he is in office. This is it, folks, you can expect 2% GDP growth for years to come. The only jobs created will be low paying jobs and public sector jobs.

    His only answer to divert the publics attention away from his financial incompetence is war.

    Expect more wars in the future. It is Obamas economic plan for growth

    • DockyWocky

      Financial incompetence is a characteristic of all Democrat regimes. Financial incompetence and getting the US of A involved in really big wars. Obama still has to pull the string that starts the next big war to save his ash, but it is dangling there in front of his nose.

      • Dave67

        LOL… that is a funny one…

    • Protecthystudents

      The only 2% GDP or GNP growth we have is inflation of products bought. We are -5% growth or worst. Any plus in growth of GDP is through govt spending which must stop.

  • Louie Ballon

    Our forefathers run away from places they did not wanted to be immigrating to the new North America, and fought very hard to made the USA.

    Later, many more unhappy immigrants from many other parts of the world like the British, Italians, Germans, French, Irish, Chinese, etc, etc. decided to immigrate to the beautiful place our forefathers were able to build call The United States of America.

    This new immigrants immigrated to the USA leaving their roots and whatever else back home to start a new life in the USA forcing themselves to learn English, giving respect and admiration to the Country giving them all they could not had obtain from their place of origin. This old immigrants had what it is call, love for the USA.

    However, since 1983, due to the unions economic fiasco, a problem no American Politician could solve. It was the year President Reagan that for economic labor reasons give millions of undocumented a legal status in the USA.

    This was the year or the beginning for USA to start to crumble.

    Ever since them, the new legal or illegal immigrants are allow to talk bad about the USA, speak their language, have festivities about their Country, are allow to brake all our laws and much more, not mentioning they are also giving more rights than to a born American Citizen, all paid by the American tax payer.

    Moreover, for the past many years now all of our Politicians running for office use a new phrase saying they are running to get as many Latino votes, Black votes, Vietnamese votes, and so on.

    Why is it that our new American Politician running for a office now, do not use the old American phrase saying they are trying to get as many American votes possible?
    Let’s not forget that if you are a USA Citizen, you should be able to speak, read, and write English. Let’s not also forget, that if you are a USA Citizen you should just simple be an American.

    Have our new American Politicians forgotten about our forefathers, the founders of this great USA, those old proud American Immigrants as the British, Italian, German, French, Irish, Chinese, etc, etc.

    For many years now, I keep reading about how much power the Latino have been giving in the USA, not to mention the Vietnamese.

    What is there to say about our old proud American Immigrants (the ones who build this Country). Have our new Politicians forgot about them, or they just do not care?

    It is insane, stupid, and crazy in how our new American Politicians are destroying our beautiful United States of America.

    If we continue this nonsense of giving Latinos a vote power as Latinos and not as Americans. We the USA will have a divided Country rather than “ONE” USA.

    I thought we were all Americans (white, black, Latino, Asian).

    • ranger09

      At one time we were all americans Now just look around you, At one time people had to wait for years to come to this country and then spend years earning the RIGHT to become a citizen, They were proud to stand up and take the oath In english. Because they had earned the Right, Today its not the same Some are proud most are not.

  • William May

    Biggest problem is China can create military power at a fraction of the costs of the USA. A frigate almost as capable as a US one for 20% of the cost, and infantryman at about 5% of the annual US costs. The PLA has already taken Philippine territory and the rest of the world done nothing.

    • Ted Crawford

      The fact that we pay an amount of interest that exceeds $70 Million per day to China makes it much easier for them in the mix !

  • Joe Menyo

    The only way we we have war with China is by way of China and Russias treaties t back Iran in war against Israel. The USA and Western countries are the targets of Islamic extremists who want to annihilate us and it is probably in our best interests if we continue to back Israel against Iran and other extremist middle eastern countries as well as in Africa and in Asia in any way we are able to stop the spread of extremist anti Western Islamic propaganda and oppression. .

  • cawmun cents

    The faster they get our troops out of Asia…the faster they willget to Africa…..Hello,can you hear me now?-CC.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

    War (We Are Right!) won’t end and real peace won’t come until the Second Coming. Who is he fooling? America has been involved in more wars since the Civil War since . . . the Civil War.

    • Louie Ballon

      America should close all its borders and start taking care their own Americans tax payers. Americans are tired of giving and giving and getting left over’s. I miss my old USA. I miss seen all bunch of proud Americans walking around our Country.

  • Terry Bateman

    Why not put short and medium term missiles in Japan and move American troops from
    Japan to South Korea? How about turning the American troops and equipment in south
    Korea into an offensive rapid deployment force able to “teach the chinese a lesson?

  • mark

    More vastly exaggerate fear-mongering and Obama-hating. Isn’t there anything else this outlet can provide?

    • Frank Kahn

      Sure, as soon as Obama gives us something to be happy about.

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        There will be happiness in 4 years if the marxist muslim doesn’t declare marshall rule and do like all of his pervert worshipping, rug shagging freaks do go to a mosque a put a jihad on all non muslims and all people that aren’t of the rear end kissers in the USA. Be sure to buy more guns and ammo, learn a skill of any type, metal working skills are fun and useful.

      • Dave67

        Obama stopped the job bleeding and we are adding jobs (not good enough)
        Obama focused on OBL and got him killed (not good enough)
        Obama saved the GM and Chrysler from bankruptcy and a huge hit to our national pride (Not good enough)
        Obama helped get rid of the Libyan dictator at a fraction of the cost and no loss of life in that process (not good enough)

        Unfortunately the right wing conservative propaganda machine will not allow anything good to be credited to Obama and they blame him for all that is wrong with the economy and they conveniently ignore the decisions made in the past 30 years that led to the economic collapse of 2008 (before Obama wsa president BTW)

        So many soft heads buy into it here. Too bad they don’t use their heads doe anything more than a hat rack.

        • Frank Kahn

          point by point rebuttal to follow

          “Obama stopped the job bleeding and we are adding jobs (not good enough)”

          Sorry, no evidence of adding jobs in my part of the country.

          “Obama focused on OBL and got him killed (not good enough)”

          Not sure if it is supportable that he be credited with the death of OBL. He did authorize the continued war on terror that contributed to this though.

          “Obama saved the GM and Chrysler from bankruptcy and a huge hit to our national pride (Not good enough)”

          Very questionable positive outcome. For national pride is not valid, unless you are a Chevy lover. It has been reported that he did not save them from bankruptcy, only postponed it at a very high cost. 80% of GM production is now based in China, so how is that good for America?

          “Obama helped get rid of the Libyan dictator at a fraction of the cost and no loss of life in that process (not good enough)”

          It is reported that we supplied arms and money to terrorist organizations to accomplish this. Is that good for our country? What gives us the right to OVERTHROW a leader of another country?

          You see, the validity and perceived benefit is a matter of perspective and opinion. You think these were all good things, I dont.

          “Unfortunately the right wing conservative propaganda machine will not allow anything good to be credited to Obama and they blame him for all that is wrong with the economy and they conveniently ignore the decisions made in the past 30 years that led to the economic collapse of 2008 (before Obama wsa president BTW)”

          Unfortunately the left wing liberal propaganda machine will not allow anyone to point out the bad things that he does without calling them racist. They blame all of Obama’s budget deficits on Bush. They ignore the past 30 years, some of which were Democrat controlled, that helped make the problem happen. Bush was not the president then either.

      • Dave67

        And if the right did not hate its hatred, fear and ignorance… they would have no membership.

        Everything concerning Obama is “questionable ” and I can tell you I have made more money since Obama has been in office than any other time in my life. So apparently you and everyone you know chose poorly in their career path.

        I have plenty of problems with Obama too… 1) do not like his infinate detention of Americans in the name of terrorism 2) Do not like that none of the people that crashed this economy in 2008 are in jail 3) Or that none of the banks have been broken up as a result of their power and influence in DC.

        You can have a honest disagreement with the Obama administration and I can respect that opinion. But that is not what goes on here unfortunately.

      • Deerinwater

        Frank says; “Unfortunately the left wing liberal propaganda machine will not allow anyone to point out the bad things that he does without calling them racist. They blame all of Obama’s budget deficits on Bush. They ignore the past 30 years, some of which were Democrat controlled, that helped make the problem happen. Bush was not the president then either.”

        I say, Until which time people like Frank start accepting some responsibility for their part in this debacle why does he believe that it’s necessary for anyone else too?

        This attack position that you attempt to maintain as a constant Frank discourages open and meaningfulness dialogue.

        The GOP and their supporters attacks ALL DNC Presidents ~ but in 44′s case this effort has been in hyper drive since his inauguration and before he selected his cabinet members. There is something unstated that drives this passion Frank. What do you think it is behind all this passion? ~ and don’t attempt to tell us that it’s all the Red, White and Blue, mamma and apple pie.

        • Frank Kahn

          Get off you soapbox and face reality Deer, dont ever try to blame me for what YOUR politicians did. This quote from you is pure BS.

          “I say, Until which time people like Frank start accepting some responsibility for their part in this debacle why does he believe that it’s necessary for anyone else too?

          This attack position that you attempt to maintain as a constant Frank discourages open and meaningfulness dialogue.

          The GOP and their supporters attacks ALL DNC Presidents ~ but in 44′s case this effort has been in hyper drive since his inauguration and before he selected his cabinet members. There is something unstated that drives this passion Frank. What do you think it is behind all this passion? ~ and don’t attempt to tell us that it’s all the Red, White and Blue, mamma and apple pie.”

          I had no part whatsoever in creating any of the mess that the economy is in. I see equal responsibility for all parties (political, as in politicians). Obama is by far the worst yet but he is not the only one. And you are pathetic in your unthinking support of someone that obviously has not a clue to what he is doing.

          I dont give a damn what the GOP does or says, I am not in that particular party. My thoughts are my own based on obvious facts that you fail to acknowledge.

          I realize that you live in human waste because of your profession, but I dont have to put up with that type of excrement from the administration, or you.

          Obama is a failure, a liar and a traitor to this country, you dont like the truth tough. Dont try to take my comments our of context just to bolster your pathetic ideals. The post you quoted from me was in direct response and almost perfectly mirrored the leftist propaganda spewed by the person I was responding to. Every pathetic lie you tell about the conservatives is true about the liberals.

          Have not seen 1 (one) liberal on this blog site give any facts to back up their claims. And that includes you. You just pontificate about what a magnificent person the Liar is.

          And “people like” Frank are the ones that think instead of people like you who just accept the human waste products that the absurd lying administration spews.

          Obama has wasted more taxpayer money than any president I have seen in my 60 years of life. He brags about all the good he has done, but when you look at the facts, what he says he did is not what happened. Everyone in his administration and the media have to pretend that what he said is not what he meant so that we cant call them lies. The fact is that he lies about almost everything he says. He is actually better at lying than Clinton was, and that is pretty hard to beat.

          Is this about the red white and blue, NO, that is a flag. This is about truth and honor, both of which he has none. How about you Deer, you have any truth or honor, or do you just blindly live in the liberal bubble blind as a new born dog?

          Personally, I gag every time I read some posters attempt at giving examples of what Obama did. They are all lies, pure unadulterated BS. He saved jobs? Who’s jobs did he save? He saved the housing industry? What city did he do that in? He saved GM? For how long, it is still going broke at a record pace. And most of the jobs for GM are in China.

          Look around, tell me that the economy is booming, hell tell me it is improving. Oh, I know, government jobs are air tight and secure, public sector jobs like teachers and policemen is great, oh and if you are in his buddies unions you have a job or Obama will get you one. And hey, if you cant afford one they will give you a free cell phone. Plenty of unemployment and SS or welfare money to hand out so you wont starve. If you are gay or a minority he will support you. You can get free birth control, or if you dont like that he will pay for you to kill the unborn baby. He will save the environment from the imaginary human caused global warming no matter what it costs or how many people lose their jobs. Oh, and like he said in his campaign speech, he wont take your shotgun or pistol away, unless of course it is a semi-automatic, then it is bad. Dont worry about the budget deficit, he will take all the money from everyone and balance it for a year. He can always raise taxes higher, no need to cut the spending.

          The question is not who caused the financial crisis, the question is when will Obama do something that will actually work to solve it. The answer to that question is PROBABLY NEVER.

          Out here in the country we have a saying that applies to Obama, “If that donkey wont behave hit it upside the head with a two by four to get its attention”.

          You have the right to believe what the liars in the Obama administration say, just dont expect reasonable people to swallow it.

          Oh, by the way, if you take a survey in a ten mile radius of where I live, you will find the exact same response as mine in 98% of the people here. The economy sucks, and it has been getting progressively worse for the last 6 years. Obama did not start it but he has not stopped the decline or even noticeably slowed it.

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    This muslim marxist and his socialist/communist democrap shulbs sure can not close bases and bring troops home. There isn’t any jobs except for worthless overpaid government dreamed up (jobs). Since all socialist/communist/marxist democrats hate the Constitution and never have beleived whay it says or declares, but remember the dem pukes never follow the laws and rules placed on every citizen, and they beleive they a not citizens, but the privelaged eleits.

    • Dave67

      Another episode of “Deep Thoughts” by Ridge Runner.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      He’s not a muslim, rr. If he were, a muslim, do you think he would be butchering other muslims? Of course not! Obama is not, a muslim. Obama is the same piece of chit as Bush 1 and 2, the same piece of chit as Clinton, and the same piece of chit as the one before, and so on… Another words, Obama comes from the same whore-house as all the one’s before him. Obama is a wall-street, and a military-industrial-complex puppet. The only reason the left-wing loons believe otherwise, is because he’s black. Oh, and because he claims to be a Democrat. Horse-chit, Obama is a war-moungering, corporate-loving, fascist-pig! Period!

      • Dave67

        Really Jay? You took a poll of the left? Hmmm… Here is a newsflash for you, I am a liberal and I agree he is cut from the same cloth as Clinton, Bush 1 and Reagan. Bush 2 is a whole different level of incompetence and traitorous behavior.

        Liberals are not happy with many things Obama has done and has not done. But there you go again lumping the left into a nice neat package while you get your panties in a bunch if a liberal does the same to you and your fellow rightists/conservatives.

      • janemarie

        Do you understand the difference between a shiite and sunni caliphate. obama is killing sunni with U.S. money and blood. OBL was a sunni. Obama is taking out sunnis around the world and in the case of syria, ALAWITE shiites. GENOCIDE. Right?

    • janemarie

      you are so right. Oh thank goodness Rand Paul is asking the right, pertinent question- Are we running guns to Turkey to assist them in the Syrian genocide so another country can be taken over by alevite shiites in GLOBAL movement to (obama and erdogan’s ) SHIITE caliphate and thereby position to annialate Israel?

      • deerinwater

        Well, it’s know there is an effort in play to contain the Civil war in Syria. ~ It’s long been know that Turkey is a US Allie and of great statistical important to the world much less the region. ~

        It is known, ~ Turkey has accepted NATO help and as we speak Patriot Missile batteries are being positioned on her northern border.

        To think that this deployment is the limitation of help and support being offered would be most naive to consider. ~

        For Rand Paul to ask such a question once again ~ shows us that he is a Junior statesman and foolish in his questions. ~ The answers to such question are for those that “need to know” and not public consumption AT This Time.

        That Rand Paul would open say that he would fire the S of S for not personally reading all correspondence that flows thu the Secretory of States office tells All Americans ~ Rand Paul does not have a clue as to the magnitude of the title or position.

        Rand Paul showed the rest of America that he was not ready to hold anymore responsibility or public trust then what his state has entrusted him with.

        National Security Interest superseded any Q & A Senate Hearing broadcast world wide on CNN.

        I know that. ~ It seems Rand Paul does not.

        The question was not germane to the preceding and little more then a fishing exposition with the attempt to Show Boat.

        I was very disappointed with the maturity Rand Paul displayed at this Hearing. I was hoping him brighter.

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    Dave67, any one a D by their name will do ever the muslim marxist wants done. There isn’t a democrat that has any scruples or principals, as long as their pervert wons, USA’s Constition be damned. The only democrat President to have any moral values, was Jimmy Carter. W Wilson convenced his (secretary) should travel with him onvacation over to the EU. FRD the communist lover wh’s first appointee was a hardcore communist, and would roll over a pile of rocks, if he thought there was a live snake down there. And of course John Fckng Kennedy and his womenizing bros as well as a murder, Then Whorehound Clinton who as a multiplicit rapeist and was inclose proxcimenty to Vimcr Foster, Hillary’s riding partner who died somewhere mysteriosly. Now we have a switch hitting muslim marxist Barry who had at least 3 of his gay room mates, exterminated with in a moth before he announce his run for the WH. Also claims he is a Christain, but his (pastor) embraced black theology and was a traveling buddy of Cylso Louie, and were frquent vistors of Gaddafii, another muslim terrorist. Librial democrats are all congential liars at the best, and will keep trying to turn USA to a facist country, then end up with a marxist style nation.

    • Dave67

      RR, you clearly need to get out more and get away from the conservative bubble. There is too much stupidity in your post to warrant a rebuttal.

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