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Obama Says Government Will Not Release Bin Laden Photos

May 6, 2011 by  

Obama says government will not release bin Laden photosLikening Osama bin Laden's death to a popular American sport, President Barack Obama said there is no need to "spike the football" by releasing photos of the al-Qaida leader's corpse.

In an interview with CBS' 60 Minutes, Obama said that the bin Laden images will not be unveiled to the public because they could be used to incite violence or as a propaganda tool, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney confirmed on May 4. The announcement comes amid a national debate regarding the public's right to view the photos.

"We don't trot this stuff as trophies," Obama said during the interview, according to Carney.

FOX News recently reported that the images show a large, open gunshot wound on bin Laden's forehead, revealing his brain matter. A government official told the media outlet that one of bin Laden's eyes is open, while the other is "completely gone."

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has criticized the President's decision to conceal the images. The lawmaker claimed that withholding the photos will lead to further speculation across the globe that bin Laden is still alive.

"I know bin Laden is dead, but the best way to protect our decisions overseas is to prove that fact to the rest of the world," said Graham, according to media reports. "I'm afraid the decision made today by President Obama will unnecessarily prolong this debate." 

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  • Anthony

    DOH….. (you thought it would be otherwise?)

    • EddieW

      Linked: White House and ‘urban terrorism’
      Barack Obama’s favorite advocacy organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), is part political group, part crime syndicate and part urban terrorist organization, according to a stunning new book, “Subversion Inc.,” by award-winning investigative journalist Matthew Vadum.

      Vadum, senior editor at Capitol Research Center, a think tank that studies left-wing advocacy groups and their funders, has assembled the information from nearly three years of research and hundreds of interviews, in the project. You have to fix the (dot)!
      Read the latest now on WND.com.
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      • JUKEBOX

        These organizations follow the program that was Obama’s main field of study at Harvard: CRITICAL LEGAL STUDIES. Look this up on the internet, and you will see how he wants to FUNDAMRNTALLY CHANGE the United States.

        • Jovianus

          Actually Juke…I’m trying to figure out what you are saying in attacking Critical Legal Studies theory. In essence, it “legal realism,”. It relies uon changing societal mores and beliefs and on judges’ personal predispositions, beliefs and prejudices to adapt legal decisions instead of cementing the past into a fixed, immovable wall.

          Oliver Wendell Holmes was one of the earliest adherents. You aren’t atacking Justice Holmes are you?

          It’s not a “degreed’ area of law. It’s legal theory. Obama specialized in Constitutional law, and was Editor of the Law Review. Reading the Review for that period he was editor doesn’t show any inclination towards CLS.

          Now Limbaugh and some Conservatives wackjobs will say CLS is ‘Communist” in nature..which is utterly and totally false. They label it such in lame atempts to brainwash the TPers who don’t know legal theories and ideology, especially CLS.

          Without becoming too technical and dry, the best analogy one could “label” CLS is it’s based in the same concept as Common Law..that the social mores and customs of the time override time worn legislation stuck in the past. Indeed, the more extreme adherents to CLS state that ANY legislation, statute or law must be read and interpreted using the prevailing customs and mores of society.

          So unless you’re stating Common Law, a concept developed in English history from the Middle Ages and adapted to our American way of life since colonization…is a “communist’ plot, what’s the stigma attached to CLS?

          You don’t believe in Common Law ?

          • Thamera

            “It relies upon changing societal mores and beliefs and on judges’ personal predispositions, beliefs and prejudices” And you don’t see any problem with that Jovi, because all justices and judges are what – morally and academically superior to everyone else? What are you, a wanna be attorney that couldn’t really hack it in the legal field, couldn’t pass the bar maybe? Do you have any common sense in that addled head of yours? There is such a thing called “TRUTH” Jovi which is absolute and doesn’t change with “societal mores and beliefs” and one such document is THE CONSTITUTION. It is not a “fluid” document as many so called “law professors” would have you believe, (I know Obama fancy’s himself as such)…and was never intended as such. Now I know EXACTLY where you are coming from. You have absolutely no credibility and in fact are quite laughable. Oh, and again, just a reminder you should really cite the sources for ideas that are not your own…

          • James

            Jovianus, When you nationalize the health-care industry and a major car manufacturer, that’s socialism, a step towards communism.

          • Jovianus

            Thamera…I know you have issues with being outed as a con job. But seriously…you are so bent out of shape from being embaressed by the outing you now desire to attack Common Law principles? Seriously?

            As for my style and manner of drafting my posts, I’m sorry if it’s problematic to you that there are those who research a tad, or are well read and versed enough, to write in a manner much beyond your capabilities. You have this tendency towards trying to fend off the appearance of being ignorant, lower educated, and plain fairy tale spinner … and making it even more certain such is your bent.

            Heck, the very fact that just a few days ago you insisted the Senate could consent to a treaty and over ride the US Constitution makes laughable any “interpretation’ you may have in any document…including the simplistic grammer books you probably use teaching your so-called “classes in government” you stated you teach.

            As for the Constitution…your “concept” that it is a rigid, strictly interpreted document flies in the face of judicial decisions and determinations dating from Marbury V Madison (1803). Now, unless you’re claiming that you have more knowledge and insight than any Justice who ever sat on the SCOTUS into the basis of our legal theory which this Nation is based upon … then go fly a kite during a lightning storm. It’d be more useful. If you are claiming to hold such high knowledge of the Constitution than any Justice who ever sat…then you without doubt need serious deep therapy and help.

            BTW..when you cite the “Founding Fathers”, please be more specific whom you refer to. As has been pointed out to you, such vague references do little to advnace your statements..indeed,,they shred the credibility. Althoug…you have very little credibility so it may not matter much.

          • libertytrain

            Jovi – con job out of your “mouth” is kind of silly isn’t it?

          • Thamera

            me thinks you protest far too much Jovi. Who is trying to appear intelligent? You can mock my education and profession all you want. That doesn’t affect me in the slightest. You embrace socialism and call it social justice…or legal realism….whatever, it doesn’t matter. It is obvious to most people on this board that the “whack job” is you. As much as I have enjoyed this tete a tete I am off, for quite awhile probably, while I pursue my master’s degree. And just to be fair Jovi, why don’t you tell us all what it is that you do? BTW my students all love me Jovi and I have earned their respect and admiration. Go ahead, keep calling me a liar and unamerican and non-pat it only further certifies that you Jovi are the one that is desperate for validation. And again, maybe in the future you will be able to define patriot, statesmen and tell us just what exactly a member of the tea party is…I won’t be holding my breathe. Enjoy your cranberry juice :D

          • Thamera

            At JOVI:

            CLS, or judicial tyranny, was foreseen by the founders Jovi and there are multiple, if not hundreds of quotes to back up their arguments regarding the judges that you hold in such high esteem…(LOL)

            Oh,and because you are confused about who the founders are these quotes come from T.H.O.M.A.S J.E.F.F.E.R.S.O.N. one of the most recognized founding fathers, you know, just to be clear:

            … there is no danger I apprehend so much as the consolidation of our government by the noiseless, and therefore unalarming, instrumentality of the Supreme Court. — Letter to William Johnson, Mar. 1823

            … One single object … will entitle you to the endless gratitude of society; that of restraining judges from usurping legislation. — Letter to Edward Livingston, Mar. 1825

            I fear, dear Sir, we are now in such another crisis [as when the Alien and Sedition Laws were enacted], with this difference only, that the judiciary branch is alone and single-handed in the present assaults on the Constitution. But its assaults are more sure and deadly, as from an agent seemingly passive and unassuming. — Letter to Mr. Nicholas, Dec. 1821

            The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine our Constitution from a co-ordinate of a general and special government to a general supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet. … I will say, that “against this every man should raise his voice,” and, more, should uplift his arm … — Letter to Thomas Ritchie, Sept. 1820

            And finally, as if Jefferson were speaking to you, Jovianus, directly:

            You seem to consider the judges the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges … and their power [are] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and are not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots.
            — Letter to Mr. Jarvis, Sept, 1820

            And Jovi, please let me know if you would like more examples (if I am around)…there are plenty more where those came from. Now, you have a great day.

      • Jovianus

        You guys are a hoot !

        If a story, “expert’ tale, lie..anything that slams or denigrates the adminsitration or this Nation, you guys are all in 100% support and agreement.

        It doesn’t matter how far-fetched or obviously detached from reality it is…if it’s good for this Nation, this administration, or any segment left of Attila the Hun … you guys bite on it like a hungry salmon grabbing a smelt.

        What’s really funny is you think there’s a large number who are in agreement. Well…folks you talk to may be in agreement giving you a false sense of inflated numbers…but that’s because te vast majority, i.e. everyone else, are rolling their eyes and wondering whether you should be placed on meds for their safety as well as yours.

        Unbelieveable…

        • Jovianus

          Excuse the error, a word was omitted in the above…

          “It doesn’t matter how far-fetched or obviously detached from reality it is…if it’s not good, or to the benefit of, for this Nation, this administration, or any segment left of Attila the Hun … you guys bite on it like a hungry salmon grabbing a smelt.

          • Thamera

            Actually Jovi it only speaks to you as being the “mindless drone” that you are and I don’t buy into conspiracy theories but am very glad that there are people that do question and challenge “authority” because it is they that proliferate accountability unlike people like you that just drink it all down. That must be some good koolaid Jovi. LOL

          • Jovianus

            Actually Thamera..it’s Cranberry juice.

          • Thamera

            Does it make a difference Jovi? LOL

          • Karolyn

            Isn’t it sad? I would love to see Obama do something that they agreed with. They would still find fault with it just because it’s him!

          • Kate8

            karolyn – If he ever did anything I agreed with, I wouldn’t trust it was real.

            The man is a liar and a fraud. Evil can bear no good fruit, but only evil.

          • usmadgirl

            Kate8,

            AMEN!!!

  • spepper

    “You’ll just have to take our word for it.”

    I think NOT……

    • Carole Howell

      THE BLOODY PICTURES ARE OUT THERE ALREADY, GET OVER IT.

    • Carol

      I couldn’t agree with you more if I tried because he lies on a constant basis the only person I “might” believe is Clinton and the Vice President but all others I just can’t believe and that is a fact.

      • Christin

        Carol,
        Clinton… really??? You “might” believe them???

        Clinton Facts:
        *The Clintons belong to the Builderbergs group.
        *It is reported that 36-70 people were snuffed out under the Clinton reign.
        *Let’s remember the plane with drugs that went down and then the two teenage boys who witnessed it and went to go see it are no longer.
        *Billy lied under oath and said, “I didn’t have sex with that woman” after Monica stated under oath they has oral sex.
        *Hilly tried to force “Hillarycare” much like “obamacare” on the American people when she was First Lady, BUT then We the People and the Congress (and maybe the media) were still able to shout a resounding “NO.”
        *Hillary is a self admitted “early twentieth Century Progressive” a.k.a. Communist stated from her own mouth during the 2008 presidential debates.
        *Their daughter Chelsea’s ($2 million wedding) father-in-law is Ed Mezvinsky… former Demo Congressman (1973-1977) who pleaded guilty to 31 of 69 charges of Bank Fraud, Mail Fraud, and Wire Fraud and spent 5 years in federal prison & released in Apr 2008 with probation until 2011… He still owes 9.4 million in restitution to his victims, but hasn’t paid it yet.

        These guys are not Statesmen and Stateswomen of character and integrity that I “might” believe, EVER… please.

        • Curtis S

          The Bilderbergs… the Illuminati… the Tri-Lateral Commission… the Rothschilds… boogeymen for lunatics. New World Order… was a book, that’s all.

          • Jay

            And you are a fairy…tale.

          • JC

            The NWO is as real as a heart attack Curtis…but you need eyes to see and the ability to correlate a lot of information. They aren’t advertising, but they’re not hiding either.

          • Kate8

            Several world leaders have already called for the NWO: Gordon Brown and Henry Kissinger come right to mind…and there are others.

            If you are still thinking these things are fiction, you are limiting yourself to the alphabet channel news…Wake up, son! It’s 2011, and things they are a-changin.

          • John

            Curtis, Read these quotes about the New World Order that you say is just a book. It’s for real and you had better learn about what it means unless you want to live in slavery:

            “We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a New World Order, a world where the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this New World Order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.’s founders.”
            George Herbert Walker Bush

            “It used to be more secretive. The New World Order was talked about 30 or 40 years ago, and nobody would say it out in the open. Now, they talk about the New World Order. They just think the world would be better off if we had one-world government. I don’t – I don’t even like the size of our Federal Government, let alone one-world government.”
            U.S. Congressman – Texas, Ron Paul

            “No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship
            Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”
            David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

            “National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing of a New World Order.”
            Adolph Hitler during World War II

            “The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down, but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault.”
            CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR’s journal, Foreign Affairs

            “We are moving toward a New World Order, the world of communism. We shall never turn off that road.” Mikhail Gorbachev 1987

            The New World Order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for all.” Nelson Mandela, in The Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)

            “The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day’s sun and a New World Order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow.”
            Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

            “We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.” – Arthur Schlesinger Jr., ‘The CFR Journal Foreign Affairs’,
            August 1975.

            “The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a New World Order.”
            Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

            “The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind can exert a positive role in shaping a New World Order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture. We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the next century and that the death throes of the old and the birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species.”
            Richard A. Falk, in an article entitled “Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods and Drastic Visions,” in the book On the Creation of a Just World Order (1975)

            “We believe we are creating the beginning of a New World Order coming out of the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms.”
            Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in The Washington Post (May 1991)

          • Kate8

            John – Thanks for pulling that all together.

            Great post.

          • JeffH

            Curtis S, Here is a quote from CFR President Richard Haass on their own website seeking “world government”

            “The goal should be to redefine sovereignty for the era of globalisation, to find a balance between a world of fully sovereign states and an international system of either world government or anarchy.”

            During the past several years, the threat facing the United States of America and much of the world from One World Government-Global Dictatorship has grown exponentially. The Council on Foreign Relations, along with all the agencies working under the UN umbrella, such as the World Health Organization (WHO), Global Elite, Secret Societies, and CIA are full time players in this scheme. Similarly, NATO is a military tool of the New World Order-One World Government.
            http://www.freewebs.com/cfrexposed/

          • JeffH

            Curtis S,

            Still Don’t Believe In The New World Order?

            “We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.” Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

            “Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.” Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

            “The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other.” Myron Fagan

            “No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.” David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

            “The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind.” George Herbert Walker Bush

            “In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.” Strobe Talbot, President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

            “We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent.” Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950
            http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            curtis wouldn’t believe in the NWO if G. Soreass came up and slapped him in the face with it! You know how it is, NO BRAIN NO PAIN!!!! And NO eddie I’m not talking about you this time, you’re even worse off than Curtis!!!

        • JJ

          You forgot about Marc Rich pardon…

      • Nana 7

        Are you kidding. You can’t believe a word either of them say. They are as bas as Obama.

  • Tazio2013

    FYI:

    Media Attack Deathers
    Frank | 06/05/2011 at 1:36 am | Tags: Benazir Bhutto interview David Frost, John Avlon, Osama bin Laden death conspiracy, Steve Pieczenik | Categories: Conspiracy | URL: http://wp.me/pzuaF-1Px
    Predictably, the mainstream media has begun to attack anybody who questions the official version of the ‘death’ of Osama bin Laden . Even though no one is allowed to see any evidence that bin Laden is dead, we are meant to take the word of the US government that it was Osama who was buried at sea . To be honest, one may ask if the US government wants to fan another conspiracy by their suspicious behaviour .

    In the Middle Ages, it was traditional for the heads of dead enemies to be cut off and displayed publicly so that people could confirm that they were really dead . By asking for photos, the public is asking for nothing more than confirmation and their refusal to do show them will only cause suspicion .

    The media have started an attack on doubters by the normal method of questioning their sanity . This is an old trick, which attempts to frighten anybody who questions the official version in case they are called insane .

    From CNN :

    One expert on conspiracy theories said that such wide, diverse claims have one common element: They often come from the political “fright wing.”

    “Your conspiracy theories tend to proliferate on the extreme edges of the political spectrum,” said John Avlon, a CNN contributor and author of “Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America.”

    “Unfortunately, you’re going to have people who — especially in today’s politics and especially with the amplification that the Internet provides — will embrace conspiracy theories on almost anything.”

    And Avlon said such people often share a common trait.

    “They come up with these ornate explanations, alternate explanations, for how events occur, like JFK’s assassination, in order to keep their own psychology in place. ‘Nineteen guys could not have brought down the twin towers. It had to be a government conspiracy,’ they say to themselves. Otherwise, the world becomes really scary and unpredictable and unstable for them.”

    “While it’s entirely predictable that certain Osama bin Laden conspiracy theories would proliferate in the Middle East, because of some people who have a creative interest in those rumors … the fact that such (bin Laden) conspiracy theories are anywhere in the American political spectrum is a little surprising and a lot pathetic,” Avlon added.

    Actually the truth is different to what John Avlon says . It is people like Avlon whose world becomes scared and unstable when their mind has to deal with the possibility that the world is not how it seems . They are scared to investigate the Bilderberg Group and Bohemian Grove because if they do, their mental view of how the world is, is threatened and they retreat to where it is safe by attacking those who are prepared to question orthodoxy .

    From an interview with an ex-State Dept official, Steve Pieczenik by Alex Jones ( thanks to the Authoritarian ) :

    Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

    Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

    “He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

    “He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

    “Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen. “It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd.”

    Benazir Bhutto, the ex-president of Pakistan said in an interview with David Frost that Osama bin Laden was already dead a few years ago and the dubious videos and audio tapes of bin Laden over the years have only added to the mystery . The refusal to show images of a dead bin Laden don’t exactly help the cause of Obama and his merry men and in my view, it was decided that the death of the bogeyman was now needed but don’t worry, another one will be along soon .

    When watching the pronouncements of Obama about Osama, I would just ask that the words of two other American presidents are remembered :

    Richard Nixon : I am not a crook .

    Bill Clinton : I did not have sexual relations with that woman .

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    • TIME

      Tazio,
      I Agree 100% that OBL was dead a long time ago, as in before the ink was dry on the news print on 9 /11 / 2001.
      This latest fabricated HOAX is little more than a ploy to keep the “1984 never ending war.”

      People WAKE UP!
      Ask where is the well over $3.5 Trillion dollars that went missing as noted in the NEWS on 9 / 4 / 2001 ?
      Ever ask why there was never a word about that MISSING $$$$$$$$$ after 9/11 /01?
      People; check out Alex Jones at Prison Planet.com for more intel on this outlandish HOAX as well countless others. Please Wake Up!

      Do you have kids? Do you have grandkids?

      Do you really want to see them off to a NWO war that is never ending?

      • Jovianus

        LOL….let’s see.

        July 2001. At a time when we had tried to snuff bin Laden on several occasions. He was in a hospital in Dubai, a very strong US ally and a sworn enemy state of OBL. And CIA physicians examined him there, were allowed to get close to him, and didn’t mickey his medication. And even though he was labelled the most dangerous man in the world against the US, we did nothing. Uh huh. Now that’s believable. We’ll ignore the subsequent videos sent out which he appeared in giving recent references to events showing he was still breathin’ air.

        Oh..and another good one…the reference to displaying heads of enemies for all to see. There’s a good idea. Let’s revert back to the Middle Ages. Yep…we sure have progressed these past 600 years haven’t we?

        Oh..and we have a reliance upon a Pakistani claim he was dead five years ago…yet Pakistan is not claiming that now, even though this is a huge embaressment for them as well as very very damaging in the US/Pakistan relations.

        Wow…some of these stories are better than a sci-fi movie…and about as factual

        • JKO

          Wow I actually have to agree with you here Jovianus. One of my hobbies is to watch and read about conspiracy theories – all the way back to Pres. Kennedy being shot. I actually try and use logic to decide the validity of them. Most of the time there is some severe problem or other with the theory. I can debunk almost all of the 9/11 stuff – though had it happened a year later that would not necessarily be true.
          In this case I do think it would be wise to show pics. There have been many claims from sources I trust that said he was dead some time ago. They could certainly post them on a website and let us go see if we want. I would not like my grand kids to walk into the room during a news cast and see the pics on live TV.

        • TIME

          Jo,
          As I work within the movie world of make believe I have seen masks made that would fool anyone into thinking that they were looking at whom ever they want you to think your looking at.
          And if you think that the Movies have makeup artist that are top of the line, then perhaps you may wish to look into what the CIA has in the way of Makeup artist. Who BTW our Tax dollars pay for.
          Oh and its steady work with a monthly check.

          But if you so wish to keep your mind in a nice small tight little box, thats all good.

          • Jovianus

            I have to question a mind that can somehow twist everything to believe that Al Qaeda and two US Presidents are working together in cahoots while at the same time doing their utmost to kill each other off.

          • TIME

            Jo,
            Can you really question anything? I mean really?

            I have watched your post over the last number of months, you lean on the standard media spin like it was spoken from God’s own mouth.
            So how can you really question anything?
            It’s quite apparent that your a follower or one of the 60%, not a leader one of the 5%.

            So you follow what makes you happy, stay in your comfort zone so as to not disturb that balance. And, Good on ya.

          • Jovianus

            Time:

            Like I said..anyone has to question the level of sanity in a mind that can somehow twist reality to thining two US Presidents, the Pakistani government, and Al Qaeda have been in cahoots the past 10 years all the while doing their best to kill each other. And…keeping the cooperation and secret from the rest of the world..including the international community.

          • Eddie47d

            Time is the one that needs to Wake Up (as he says). He probably believed all of those earlier deaths of Bin Laden when there was absolutely no proof of them.Now they have proof and he is in denial. He has brainwashed himself.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Are you really so simple?

            What constitutes proof to you? Surely not the word of the liar-in-chief. Media reports aren’t proof, either. Nothing you construe as proof is anything but a report handed down from somewhere. And there are so many versions…THINK, eddie…

            The only actual thing I see that is provable is that you are dumbed-down enough to be so easily duped by those who have no truth in them.

          • Jay

            jovianus says:I have to question a mind that can somehow twist everything to believe that Al Qaeda and two US Presidents are working together in cahoots while at the same time doing their utmost to kill each other off. After all, Obama just released his 2010 tax return. He made $1.7 million — and he has spent over $14 TRILLION. Are you then trying tell me, that a president with that kind of a balanced and common sense approach to keeping our economy moving backwards, could possibly be involved in such a twisted enterprise?

          • Jay

            Eddie says: Time is the one that needs to Wake Up (as he says). He probably believed all of those earlier deaths of Bin Laden when there was absolutely no proof of them, unlike today, where we have plenty of doctored and fabricated proof. Now that we have all the doctored and fabricated proof that proves what Obama’s administration say, he is in denial. He has brainwashed himself in not believing the doctored and fabricated proof . Unbelievable!!!

        • Cawmun Cents

          Heck if guys like Bin Laden get their way,we’ll all be living in the 7th century anyhow.So why not heads on pikes?

          • Kate8

            C C – Maybe not so far fetched after all. I just read that detention camps in the US are being furnished with modern, high-tech guillotines. I kid you not.

            Does that put you in the mind of what it says in Revelation…that, during the last days, people will die of beheading…

          • Jovianus

            Kate8 … I’ve no doubt you read such a story. I myself just read about little green men from Mars are impersonating Tea Partiers in an effort to bring down our planetary defenses.

            The difference between us is…I read such trash knowing it’s totally bogus and made up.

        • CJM

          Jovianus: In reference to your statement: “Let’s revert back to the Middle Ages. Yep…we sure have progressed these past 600 years haven’t we?” do understand that the Middle Eastern countries have never stepped out of that mentality…and they have been beheading people far longer than 600 years according to historical accounts.

          • Jovianus

            CJM .. and that’s exactly where I want this nation to head. Become just like them.

            Tell you what, you want to live in such a scoiety…be my guest. Have a nice trip…

        • Bob from Calif

          Hey jovianus,

          Before deciding that this is all conspiracy, why don’t you investigate this guy Dr. Steve Pieczenik, and what he is saying. He worked under five administrations. He is a middle east intelligence expert. He even says that Bin Laden died in 2001. Benazir Bhutto said he was dead before she was murdered. Madeline Albright said he was already dead. How many top government officials is it going to take for you to believe?

          • Jovianus

            OK Bob from California…I did some breif background and listened to about 10 minutes of a 20 minute interview.

            Listening closely to his words, it became obvious to me that this guy and according to him a lot of high-ranking military, are sick of the ‘interference’ of government people, from the President on down, who have no military experience and, in his view (which to him is infallible) are getting soldiers killed because of their “inept actions”. As well…in the interview I listened to…in his words…”civilian rule” is an “inconvenience not soon to be tolerated”.

            I hope that I am wrong, but I feel that this guy is the tip of the spear for the US Military to overthrow the US Government in a coup.

            He will say anything, do anyting to further his ’cause”…those are his words. Talk about misled and misguided..anyone giving this guy an ounce of credence best beware whom they are supporting. He is as far right to the Right as anyone I can think of.

        • Don

          So anus,, tell us your story on what happened, we need a real live fiction story teller about now, don’t you think???

          • Jovianus

            There are plenty of real live fictioon story tellers in this forum Don…you being one of them. I cite facts al;ong with reason. So do a few others posting here. For that, we are called commies, socilaists and otherwise denigrated.

            Have a good life …

      • bob wire

        you people are a trip! No wonder the GOP solicits your vote! It so damn easy to get while inflating your egos with illusions of intelligence.

        These photos don’t make Usama dead anymore the some birth certificate makes “O” an American.

        It’s human events that make these things so.

        This thinking inside some kind of “complex, multi-faceted double blind” does not “enhances” your perception ~ sorry to pop your bubble as I know you feel that you are very clever while there seems to be no end to you playing the fool.

        Do you want to see his birth certificate again?

        • TIME

          Bob,
          Perhaps you should look into that BC a little harder, one of our Computer geeks did a easy to follow Youtube display for the “Very Simple Minded.” BTW, Alex Jones also has done the same thing.

        • Jovianus

          Bob…here’s the newest laugh a moment with some of these posts. Al Qaeda came out today admiting we snuffed bin Laden over the weekend. Now, unless you take the stretch we are in cahoots with Al Qaeda in some massive coverup for the past 10 years…that should put this ‘conspiracy’ issue to bed. But then…I guess one could conjecture that Bush and Al Qaeda have been playing footsie for 10 years while we killed each other…and that ‘agreement’ carried over to Pres. Obama.

          As to the Birther movement…they’re just angry because they’ve been shown to be fools and wacked out maniacs. They won’t believe anything that outs them for what they are…mentally unstable. And don’t forget, many of today’s “Birthers” were the ones who were calling for amending the Constitution a few years ago because Arnie was ineligible to run and they couldn’t see why we needed that clause anymore.

          These ‘conspiracy’ folks are a joke at best. And they know it.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Amazing to see how you and Bill O’Reilly have so much in common regarding the Conspiracy believers.

          • Libertarian

            Jovanius,
            the reason we have TWO ears and ONE mouth, is so we can listen more & actually learn, BEFORE we spout off hot air.

            Before you discredit everything that others have written, maybe you should do some research yourself on a varity of topics: 1) Operation Northwoods, 2) Bay of Tonkin, 3) the linchpin of official conspiracy theory of Kennedy’s assassination (the “magic” bullet), 4) Eisenhower’s warning against the Military Industrial Complex & what happened to the president who did NOT listen, 5) Oliver North, Iran-Contra Affair, and what we learnt about the CIA bringing cocaine into the US that continues to this day, 6) two ILLEGAL wars waged now & the REAL reason why we are in both of those places (especially Afghanistan!), 7) finally 9/11, with the official conspiracy theory being the ONLY one that is outragous and does not stand up to ANY scrutiny!

            you have a great day & take care!

          • Bob from Calif

            You really need to do your homework. Al Qaeda has been a CIA asset since they were created in Afganistan during the Carter administration.

        • JKO

          BW I do agree. But if we are at least given pics there are those who can determine whether they are faked or not. My dad was an Air Force photographer and he showed me several pics that were doctored before it became public knowledge and he showed me why and how I could determine it myself. That is all I want.
          I also stated the I could see discrepancies with BHO’s birth certificate because there are two different K’s and he was called African American which was a term that did not really come into use until way after this. His race would have been written as Negro. BTW in legal matters in many places your race is still determined by these old fashioned words – Caucasian, Negro, etc.

          • Jovianus

            Egads…I’d be suspicious if it was too perfect without flaws. Are you stating if it were faked they’d be so sloppy? Seriously?

            I actually took my photostat out of my BC (need it to have driver’s license renewed). It’s not perfect…does that make it a fake?

            Criminey … you guys are laughable.

          • JKO

            Jo I have not said it was a fake. I said there were discrepancies that I can look at with my own eyes and see. If someone can explain them I will be happy with that.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Jovianus, If the white house was going to release the BC, would they use a photo copy, or a Scanned version? FIRST I’m not saying the document is/is not legit, however allow me to point out some serious technical issues I have with the document:
            Scanned copies are actuals PHOTO’s of whatever…If I scan a paper document under the highest DPI it comes out super crisp..try scanning a dollar Bill under 1200DPi…it looks very crisp..now compare that quality with the Quality of the document released. That razor sharp crispness isnt there, in fact its actually very poor quality. So regardless of if it is or isnt real I ask myself why does the nation with satellites that can take a picture of a Licence Plate from ORBIT release a pixly edited document? You huff and say..How can I know its edited….SIMPLE..scan a document..open a HIGH RESOLUTION picture editer, change 2 small Items and save it…suddenly its not as crisp..it looks like the document the white house released…poor quality..So I am not debating if its real or not, But I’d like an answer as to why its such a poor quality image. Answer that and I’ll leave it alone.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            JKO: On both the CLB and the BC we have the same glaring discrepancy, and it is one of magnitude. Under “Race” the father is listed as “African” (not African American, a politically correct phrase which did not originate until many years later). However, this is the same as if my birth certificate listed my race as North American. Both Africa and North America are continents, not ethnic races. I have a good friend who lives across the street from me; she is from South Africa and identifies herself as African. She also happens to be white. Which is what it says on her birth certificate under Race. SA even goes to the extreme of classifying its citizens as Black, Coloured, Asian, White, and so on. Hawaiian hospital officials, given that archipelago’s historical polyglot of ethnicities, would certainly not list a person’s race as a whole continent, one which, itself, is also an even larger polyglot of ethnicities. Hawaiians would know about this stuff.

            But, never mind all that, Bin Laden is dead! Ding Dong the Witch is Dead! Fa la la la la! Hail to the conquering polyglot president!

            Care for another slice of yellowcake? Anyone? Best hurry, according to the pundits, the Tea Party’s almost over.

            Isn’t it strange, three of the most famous crimes perpetrated in US history: the killings of Lincoln, JFK, and over 2500 people in NYC…and the alleged perps were never tried or convicted. All were killed before they could be questioned, two were disposed of such that they could not even be identified, one was intentionally disposed of such that it could not even be called an accident.

            Three of my favorite movies happen to be: The Manchurian Candidate, Conspiracy Theory, and Wag the Dog. They make so much more sense than the slop our MSM pours out for us daily.

        • CJM

          No, bobwire, the photos don’t make UBL any more dead than he already is…and they won’t breathe life back into his carcass either. Good point on your last statement: “Do you want to see his birth certificate again?”…yes we do, but this time we want obama to produce the REAL birth certificate. No one can be born on the same day from the same mother in two different countries that are 4000 miles apart…unless there is some miracle we are all unaware of. The Hawaiian certificate names a non-existent hospital and there are two different attending physicians on the certificates produced in that State. On the other hand, there are Kenyan witnesses to obama’s birth in Kenya and that particular birth certificate has the infant’s footprints on it.

          • Jovianus

            Sigh…you guys really do make this stuff up don’t you. Here’s a brief history of the hos[pital (from the hospital website)

            Brief history of the hospital:
            In 1884, Princess Kekaulike died and willed her home, Ululani, as the site of a proposed maternity home to help Hawaiian mothers.

            In 1890, after the princess’ sister, Queen Kapiolani, raised $8,000 through bazaars and luaus, she founded the Kapiolani Home of the Hoolu and Hoola Lahui Society (society to propagate and perpetuate the race), located at Beretania and Makiki Streets, to provide a maternity home for Hawaiian women. The five-bedroom home was opened on June 14, 1890 by King Kalikaua and Queen Kapiolani. Only six babies were born at the home the first year, since local women remained suspicious of doctors and institutions.

            In 1917, the society purchased the adjacent August Drier property southeast of Ululani on Beretania Street.

            In 1918, the home moved to a two-story house with 25 beds at 1538 S. Beretania Street (at the north end of Kalakaua Avenue), changed its name to the Kapiolani Maternity Home, and opened its doors to women of other than Hawaiian descent.

            In 1929, the home moved on March 26 to a new larger building with 50 beds located on the southeast corner of Punahou and Bingham Streets and expanded its functions to include non-infectious gynecological problems.

            In 1931, its name was changed to the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
            ==================
            Next…here’s a case citation from an appeal to the 9th Circuit from a decision by the Supreme Court for the Territory of Hawaii…

            ” 70 F.2d 793 (1934)
            KAPIOLANI MATERNITY AND GYNECOLOGICAL HOSPITAL
            v.
            WODEHOUSE et al.
            No. 7026.
            Circuit Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit.

            April 10, 1934.
            794*794 E. C. Peters, of Honolulu, T. H., and Orrin K. McMurray, of Berkeley, Cal., for appellant.

            A. G. M. Robertson, A. L. Castle, A. Withington, and J. G. Anthony, all of Honolulu, T. H., for appellees.

            Before WILBUR, SAWTELLE, and MACK, Circuit Judges.

            WILBUR, Circuit Judge.

            This is an appeal taken from the decision of the Supreme Court of the territory of Hawaii rendered upon an agreed case submitted to that court in pursuance of sections 2371 to 2374, inclusive, of Revised Laws of Hawaii 1925. The parties to the agreement are the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital and Ernest H. Wodehouse and James L. P. Robinson, executors of the will of Mary E. Foster, deceased. The facts agreed upon by the parties may be briefly summarized as follows:

            The Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, which will be hereinafter referred to as the “Maternity Hospital…”
            ============

            Jeesh. 5 minutes of research and so goes your lying claims.

          • Thamera

            That’s your problem Jovi, 5 minutes of research on google and you think you know it all! LOL

          • Eddie47d

            When you research something they can’t stand you and when you don’t research something they can’t stand you. I’m wise to their tricks of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. In other words They are the ones who are full of it.

          • Jay

            Eddie says: When you research something they can’t stand you, because, as you know, our research is based on trust, and when you don’t research something, which is usually always the case, they can’t stand you. I’m wise to their tricks of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. In other words, HIDE THE NON-RESEARCH! They are the ones who are full of it.

          • Jovianus

            Thamera….I know you have an issue, when after a few minutes proof is tossed at you showing without question are a fool or a liar.

            BTW…how’s that class in government that you teach doing?

          • Thamera

            You bet Jovi…I do have an issue. My issue is with people like you who think they are “all knowing” and have no regard or even the most simple idea about our constitution or the damage that people like you have done to erode our liberty. You can’t tell me what a patriot is, because you don’t even know!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey jovi,
            I thought you didn’t start out calling names??? At least that’s what you claimed in a post the other day!!! You just called Thamera a liar or a fool!!! NOW who’s the liar AND fool? YOU!!

    • Bitter Libertarian

      George Bush II “When Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried, and persecuted as a war criminal.”

    • Rufus

      You forgot Bush’s weapons of mass destruction.

      • JKO

        Rufus I have a family member who was in Baghdad (with UN peace keepers) and he saw at least one nuke and he discovered that Saddam was a generation ahead of the US in biological weapons. This was 1998 and at the time he was not supposed to have even one weapon. He was a military man with a PhD in this “stuff”. This was under Clinton. He reported this to his supervisor and NOTHING ever came of it.
        If you think what happened in Kuwait was bad this would have been way worse. AND you don’t make stuff like this if you don’t plan to use it.
        And I can tell you this is one of the most honest people I have ever known.

        • Jovianus

          Don’t know many honest people then eh?

          So tell us…how does one distinguish a missle as being a “nuke’ from one carrying conventional explosives?

          • libertytrain

            how can you even comprehend the word honesty?

          • JKO

            He was an Air Force Officer and he knew. He did tell me that the problem Saddam has was the delivery system to get it there.
            And yes I do know many many honest people.
            Just because you don’t know many, don’t lay your life experiences on me. See I was raised at a time when you were taught that your word was the most important thing you have. When I come into contact with dishonest people I spend little time with them and do not consider them friends.
            I am sharing what I know to be true. You certainly have the right to believe me or not to. But you don’t actually have the right to make fun of my sources and question their voracity.
            Perhaps you could ask specific questions and I will try and answer them. I cannot tell you this persons name or relationship to me as I do not want to get him into any trouble. I am assuming you can understand my reasoning here.

          • Kate8

            JKO – Don’t worry about Jov.

            I get ridiculed all the time for sharing things some people don’t want to hear, and for asking questions some think I shouldn’t ask.
            It doesn’t bother me at all when the liberals do it, but sometimes you get blindsided when you don’t expect it.

            All in a day’s topics, though. I appreciate those who ask questions and look for the answers. I, for one, enjoyed your post.

          • Jovianus

            JKO…the reason i have serious doubts about the veracity of the tale is if such things existed…you would think we would have guided the UN Inspectors to them for world verification. Yet, every time the UN Inspection team asked for any such information…they were never answered. Even when Rummy and Bush stated “we know where they are”, and the world (including fellow Americans) said..’fine, give the info to the International inspection teams.” and they didn’t…..c’mon, are you really that foolish to believe we had any information whatsoever? And after 10 years…nothing has ever shown up in any verified and accurate documentation which supports anything Bush was claiming?

            Criminey….

          • http://?? Joe H.

            “How did he know it was a nuke and not a conventional weapon?”
            Gee jovi, i don’t know, maybe there was paperwork with it? Maybe there was measureable levels of radiation??? Hell jovi, even you could tell with a rad meter!!!! They are never sealed well enough to not put off trace amounts!!!

        • CJM

          There were also photos showing how saddam hussein buried large military items (jeeps, trucks, and weapons) in the sands throughout Iran. It was also shown that saddam had much of his WMDs transported into Iraq…but chemicals used in warfare were found in Iran. Bush was not wrong.

          • JKO

            And CJM, as I have posted before I was watching a report on one of the news outlets (this was when I actually watched them all). The reporter was embedded and the soldiers were near the border with Syria. There were supposed to be weapons in a huge warehouse building. They got there and it was empty. By empty I don’t mean no weapons I mean not one thing was in there. Now why would you have a huge building with NOTHING in it. No trash, tools, old vehicle, nothing. It was later that we saw the satellite footage of trucks going from Iraq into Syria.
            But of course there was nothing in those trucks, there were never WMD, I could go on but you get the point.

          • Jovianus

            I know…Iran being a sectarian gov’t of another branch of Islam…a country which was attacked and gassed in a brutal war with Iraq … a country with a very public avowed aim at taking Sammy out … yep, that sure would be the place to send any weapons to. Uh huh … sure … totally believeable …

          • Thamera

            It’s interesting Jovi that you give so much credence to the governments of the middle east as if they would “never lie”…what exactly ARE you drinking?

          • Karolyn

            But Thamera, isn’t there a balance somewhere? You guys believe EVERYBODY lies. Can’t you even entertain the possibility that some of the things we hear are true? If not, that is very sad for you.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – The thing is, when people are caught telling SO MANY lies, only a fool would trust them. Even if they did happen to tell the truth once, no one would recognize it.

            Why should we EVER believe those who have no truth in them?

            BTW, this is pure Saul Alinsky…create a confidence crisis of the American people toward their government.

          • Jay

            Karolyn Says: But Thamera, isn’t there a balance somewhere? You guys believe EVERYBODY lies. Can’t you even entertain the possibility that some of the LIES we hear are true? If not, that is very sad for you.

      • Jay

        Rufus says: You forgot Bush’s weapons of mass destruction.

        You mean Osama Bin Laden and his fellow patriots?

    • JC

      Tazio Posted:

      “Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen. “It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd.”
      ___________________________________________________________________

      The last line is undoubtedly true. American politics has been nothing short of a dog and pony show for a long time now.

      And I have to ask myself…if the SEALS had Osama under surveillance for several days before supposedly shooting him, why wouldn’t they have taken him alive? It’s not as though the US doesn’t have the resources to run an operation to storm his compound. And why the speedy burial at sea? Out of respect for Muslim traditions? Ridiculous!

      It seems obvious that they didn’t want Osama actually talking to anybody. God forbid he might contradict the official line of crap we’ve been fed. And damned if they didn’t get rid of the “evidence” even faster than they got rid of the evidence from 911…and dumped it into the sea as well.

      Lies, lies and more lies….

      • Christin

        Ya know J C, for all we know obama died in 2001 like many of the reports I have been hearing on brasschecktv and prison planet… That would make sense why they dumped ‘a body’, not necessarily osama’s, quickly so that no one could check to see who it was and verify anything just like they shipped the steel from the World Trade Centers to China quickly so that tests could not be performed on it as to the cause of the structures’ collapse.

        You know it is no wonder many nations hate America… the Ruling Elites have been doing some lousy, horrendous things that I think most of the American people never knew about and would not agree to doing.

        Lies beget more lies (and more questions), and Truth shines a light on all (and tells all).

        PASSED Time to clean out the putrid DC swamp and take our country back.

      • Jovianus

        JC…why didn’t they take him alive?

        Where would you hold the trial? Would you have a trial? What would the sentence be if you didn’t have a trial? Where would you hold him? How much access to anyone would you let him have? What law would you try him under? What would you do when the first set of hostage taking occurred?

        Naw…to messy. They were sent in to snuff him. A damn fine job and justice served.

        • Jay

          Jovianus Says: JC…why didn’t they take him alive?

          Where would you hold the trial? Would you have a trial? What would the sentence be if you didn’t have a trial? Where would you hold him? How much access to anyone would you let him have? What law would you try him under? What would you do when the first set of hostage taking occurred? Now, I could keep asking you ridiculous and moronic questions till the cows came home, but the one’s i’ve already asked, should suffice!

          Naw…to messy. They were sent in to snuff him. A damn fine job and justice served, even though we never held a trial.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        These libbies need to watch the movie Wag The Dog !!!!

    • http://n/a Robo

      Tazio: Thank you for confronting, perceiving, understanding and communicating the truth. Thank you for shedding light on Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove. Add in The Council On Foreign Relations and the Federal Reserve and you can construct the axis of psychotic evil on this forsaken planet. It is indeed reassuring to know that someone else has the courage to disseminate the real truth. Well done.

    • azwayne

      Why do we just not trust or listen to the propaganda liberal media? They are trying so hard they tell and print any version we want, why do we still doubt the lies we are told? We should realize over the past 30 years we are not to think, rationalize, question or have any input. We’ve got to stop make problems, they’re going to ramp up the fema camps and corrective education facilities. The UN POL forces are being imported to uphold ODUMBO’s dictatorship. Now really we have to get along better.

      • Libertarian

        Azwayne,
        FYI, there is No difference between one news channel and another! Follow the money & see who the owners are of ALL of them, whether it’s Fox, CNN, ABC, etc. Once you know that, there will not be a reason to call them “liberal”, “conservative”, or anything else. The ONLY frontier of FREEDOM left is the Internet, and once that is restricted… we can all start believing in anything the owners of the mass media tell us!

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Exactly right, Libertarian. Six, maybe seven multinational corporations own nearly all of the mainstream media in America. Even corporate legal beagles who’ve tried have a bitch of a time trying to sort out who owns whom because it’s a complete (intentional) hairball. But, aside from the stockholders, we know who owns the media, hence we know who runs the media: the advertisers. The multi-national corporate lobbies for Big Medico/Pharma, Big Bio/Agri, Big Finance/Insurance, Big Chem/Energy, the Mil/Industrial/Tech Complex… In short, the worst enemies our once free society has got.

          THEY own the multi-media, and through it, us.

          Or so they hope (if they could just get this pesky Internet thing under control).

          For those who might point out that I overlooked Big Government as one of the owners of the MSM, nope. I didn’t. Government and Media are now actually inextricable parts of the same bullshit delivery vehicle, and both are owned by the same previously stated vested interests. Whether it’s Republicats vs. Demoblicans, or Lipservative pundits and Conservass talking heads sniping at each other, none of them have our backs–other than to paint more targets on. It’s been a long time since the Right righteously had anything to do with our Constitutional rights, and the Left left us in the dust long before Elvis left the building.

          • Jovianus

            Y’know…if there was such a left wing bias to the media..you would think the Fairness Act mandating equal time to both sides of the spectrum would be have 100% support from the Right and the Libertarian movement.

            One has to wonder about these claims of so-called ‘liberal bias” …

          • Jay

            Jovianus says: Y’know…if there was such a left wing bias to the media..you would think that the useless and non-inforced and non-regulated Fairness Act, mandating that the 100% left-winged owned and the 100% left-winged controlled and biased media, should give equal time to both sides of the spectrum would have 100% support from the Right and the Libertarian movement.

            One has to wonder about these claims of so-called ‘liberal bias” …It boggles the mind!

    • http://comcast the fisherman

      Let,s add another one to the group George Bush- Refuses to help durring Katrina, Had a make up rescue of the women that was captured by Saddam, Wepons of mast distruction that were not there. Leaving the seniors in a bad shape after he left office. . We can fine all sorts of wrong doing of all presidents if we try. Let stop looking and try to bring the country back to order.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Gee fisherman, let’s look at nobummer. “AHHH The soldiers don’t need to get paid while in combat if the government shuts down.”
        “Ahhh what the hell, the unions and the muzzies don’t have to be covered by the health care bill!!! but the rest of those broke American citizens DO!”
        Nobummer is punishing groups as well!!!

    • John

      The War on Terror is a major psychological operation aimed at the American people to get them to willingly give up their civil liberties in exchange for “protection” from terrorism. The War on Terror is also about fomenting a “clash of civilizations” between Islam and the West. And it’s just another phase of the dialectical process used to push the world’s people into global government. Islam is not the threat. The Muslim Brotherhood, which Al Qaeda falls under, was created by British Intelligence in 1929. The real threat to the world are the Zionist bankers who own and run the British Empire and Israel. They are the real terrorists. Death to these Zionists who have hijacked our country. Time is running out.

    • JUKEBOX

      Everyone knows that the real problem we have is with FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIMS. I wonder if anyone has noticed how many times Obama has used the word FUNDAMENTAL in his speeches and casual conversations. This is something that is ingrained in his psyche, because he was educated as a youth in a Fundamental Muslim school in Indonesia. Why else would he show so much respect for the disposal of UBL?

      • John

        Jukebox, you’ve fallen for the deception. The globalists/international bankers behind the British Empire control Militant Islam. It’s just another tool for them to create conflict so that they can push us into world government. It’s the Hegelian dialectic my friend. The globalists create the crisis (9/11 attacks, other terror attacks) then the globalists offer their own solution (invade Afghanistan, Iraq, start a “War on Terror”, attack Libya, etc.) That’s how the dialectical process works. That’s how they keep the sheeple from figuring out their scam. The fear of terrorism keeps people in a state of confusion and hopelessness and it creates American support for their phony “War on Terror” which should instead be called a “War on American Sovereignty”. Read up on the start of the Muslim Brotherhood and you’ll discover that it was created by British Intelligence through their agent Hasan al-Banna. British Intelligence works hand in hand with CIA and Mossad and they take their marching orders from the globalists/international bankers that control Britiain, the U.S., and Israel. Muslims aren’t the problem. Before the Zionist nation-state of Israel was created in 1948, tensions between Jews and Muslims were relatively low. Ask yourself who created Israel in 1948. Look at the Balfour Declaration. The British elite and Rothschild banking dynasty made the creation of Israel possible. These same globalists/bankers behind the British Empire control the U.S. economy via ownership of the Federal Reserve. They control it all, man. They are trying to destroy U.S. sovereignty in order to shackle us all into slavery in a world government. The world government that everybody is talking about is just an alias for the British Empire. As crazy as it sounds, the British Empire is the international villain. If that doesn’t make much sense to you, read the book “The Union Jack”. It explains much.

    • Al Sieber

      Tazio, I that also.

      • Al Sieber

        Tazio,I meant I second that. Happy Mothers Day to all you mothers out there.

  • samuel welsh

    Osama is dead awesome stuff

  • Santi

    I have questioned that same thing, that osama has been dead for a while. He had to be getting his blood cleaned every so often because of his sickness. The potus is full of himself.

    • JUKEBOX

      He is also full of bovine fesces.

  • Tazio2013

    For those of you interested in delving deeper into an alternative POV:

    http://www.thedailybell.com/2232/Will-bin-Ladens-Death-Justify-More-War.html

  • Eddie47d

    I personally don’t care one way or the other but I doubt if it’s because of the “gruesome” scenes. Americans love gore and violence a little too much for those pictures to be shocking them. I do believe the main reason was to tone down the backlash in the Arab world by not gloating over Osama’s death. Proverbs 24:17 says “Do not rejoice when your enemies fall and do not let your heart be glad when they stumble”. I’m pleased that he is gone for the misery that he caused the world but we should do everything we can to keep him from becoming an even greater martyr. There will always be those who look up to this criminal. We still have the neo-Nazi party here in America and they still admire Hitler after all these years. So Bin Laden’s going to stir up ugly passions for a very long time. Maybe the best we can do is to pull our troops out of the Arab world.

  • Coach Kinsey

    My guardian angel took me to witness the capture of Osama Bin Laden, December 22, 2001 at a road stop in Afghanistan. I saw a US airforce captain Davis stop a light blue Volkswagen Jetta, type car. He and 2 others in the car were dressed in full burquas. Captain Davis asked them to get out of the car. They obliged without a fuss. Tall women.

    Captain Davis called this in that he had 3 al quida suspects. A US apache helicopter showed up and took the 3 burqua covered women out to sea to a totally dark US navy ship. Troops thought maybe women being brought in.

    The CIA interrogated the 3 prisoners for a little over a month in holding cells at top security aboard the ship. The 3 died in Feb. 2002, their bodies were taken in a white ford explorer with the bodies inside was taken to a mountaintop near Tora Bora with a US helicopter.

    The people were shown this SUV blown up on TV by Donald Rumsfeld claiming they believe they got Bin Laden with a drone-launched missile . Only thing wrong was that the weather and snow was to heavy hat it took 5 days to get up to the bodies of the 3.

    Wolves, afghan troops, to much damage by fire and missile, all the bodies were not intact and found.

    On Dec. 23, 2001 president Bush went from we must get Bin Laden to well even if we get him we still need to be there to take down Al Qaeda and other bad guys.

    The US and Al Qaeda benefited by the non capture of Bin Laden, with the fake audio and old video tapes.

    Now we get more feel good and political boost for our president and troops. Captain Davis is on he fast track at pentagon and happy.

    • Coach Kinsey

      Sorry that should have been Major Davis, shortly Col. Davis.

    • Christin

      Coach,

      Wow, that is astonishing.

      Makes me sick that our government leaders are LIEING to us about just about everything.

      This guy in the video says Al Qaeda is not a Terrorist Group, but a Data Base… propaganda made up by… the USA government (not We The People)…
      http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1092.html

      Why couldn’t they just have been honest about the Bin Laden death… he died of an illness… so what if there was not dramatics and an American asassination involved…. What then there would be no more reason to have a war on Muslims.

      I’m sick of being played by corrupt officials in OUR OWN government.

      • azwayne

        A fake picture would be just as good as the fake certificate of live birth, why change now?

        • Carlucci

          Yep. SOP in the district of criminals.

      • JUKEBOX

        Honesty and intelligence are two words that are oxymorons, when used in a government vernacular.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    “FOX News recently reported that the images show a large, open gunshot wound on bin Laden’s forehead, revealing his brain matter. A government official told the media outlet that one of bin Laden’s eyes is open, while the other is “completely gone.”

    All sorts of things can happen in a firefight…I look at it this way:
    1-At a Point when the Financial Collapse of America has begun Osama was killed.
    2-Most (granted not all) firefights end in frontal wounds…IE In the front out the back…(no people dont spin around when shot like in the movies)
    3-We are not allowed to see any ZERO physical evidence, not even a photo.
    4-The Body was dumped into the ocean (relatively as quickly as the steel from the twin towers was loaded in barges & shipped to China as scrap.)
    5- Absence of physical evidence in a criminal case logically & Historically leads to a “cold case file” or NO CONVICTION.
    6-Americans and People around the world have every right, if they are expected to acccept this event as Truth, to be presented with facts and evidence.
    The People are the Jury and have every right to rule based off the evidence provided.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Instead of being critical of those who question things and calling them “idiots”, it is well to remember that those who do not question are surely the idiots.

    Those who can think for themselves are becoming increasingly distrustful of people like Obama and his henchmen for good reason.It is surely unwise to believe that all are fools except oneself dear Potus. How do you manage to sleep at night? Of course when you do not know the difference between lying and telling the truth there is no problem at all.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      What I love is this;
      There are those in the Media, in TEA party Circles, and Conservative groups that say: “Obama is a socialist and he is destroying America”
      Now..by what means are they coming to THAT conclusion? Are these groups assuming that certain actions or lack of certain actions = a certain end result? Isnt that an ASSUMPTION? Now before you think I am defending OBAMA, I AM NOT. what I am doing is showing those who criticize people who follow the SAME LOGIC and determine that there is an adjenda OTHER then the OPENLY stated one. Showing you that those who do not accept the “official 9/11 story” are NOT any more wacked then you.
      Those who find the “Timing” of the Birth Certificate & the Osama Bin Laden Event too convient are following the same logic you use to determine Obama’s adjenda which is the same logic to determine Bush’s adjenda.
      So alleging these people are Conspiracy Theorist Wacko’s is about as logical as Calling Bob Ballard a Conspiracy Theorist because he researched the Titanic Sinking.

      • JKO

        And don’t even get me started on all the Lefties that have called everyone in the Tea Party a racist. Can you say Janine Garafalo (sp?) boys and girls? Not to mention many, many others.
        How can anyone make a statement like that without proof? But when we ask for proof because we don’t want to make do the same we are still the wackos.

        • Carlucci

          Wouldn’t it be great if Ovomit, the democraps, Janeane Garafolo, Michael Moore, Alex, Jovi, Denniso, and all other libtard commies would get on a slow boat to Cuba and join the rest of their brethren, so they can lie, steal, cheat, control, tax, and micromanage each other to death? The line forms to the left….

          • Kate8

            Carlucci – LOL. :)

    • azwayne

      It is past time that we demand our congress representatives and incompetent media give us some verifiable FACTS. Reading these hundreds of blabber type articles is being a huge waste of time. Can’t they all just go write their fiction books and make their livings while we know what they are doing?

  • John

    Fear not. Obama will release the photos just before the 2012 election.

    • Mick

      John…I think your prediction is right on the money,,
      I for one always said about 1 1/2 years ago that when Obama’s polls would tank some miracle would surface to shine a bright light on his majesty.
      Speaking about obama my exact words were ” When it’s time to boost his ratings or Osama will be captured or be dead ” well………….BINGO…

      • libertytrain

        Wow.

      • Marty S.

        You are dead on Mick. notice how GW turned down offer to go to NYC with the POTUS. He’s tired of the lies and the games. He would have to put on an act about which he knows otherwise.

    • Christin

      John,
      Well, if he does release photos of osama bin laden, I hope they hire a new computer guy who can touch up photos better than they can birth certificate documents.

      • Mick

        Christin

        Amazing how this technology can do to deceive…Isn’t it ?

    • Carlucci

      Either that, or another false flag operation will be launched just before the election so Ovomit can come off as some kind of “hero”.

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – It may be too late in the day for O to come off as a hero to enough people to re-elect him.

        More likely, the false-flag will result in him declaring martial law, and elections being suspended.

  • wandamurline

    I agree. My mother had non-functioning kidneys, and she spend three days a week in dialysis from 7Am until 3 PM. How could this guy still be alive after spending so much time in some caves…he would have been the size of the Goodyear Blimp by the end of one week… and would have been dead within 10-15 days from kidney failure which would cause other vital organs to stop functioning.

    • Carlucci

      The kidney disease thing is a huge factor in this. That is why I believe OBL died years ago. Diabetes and kidney disease is rampant in Saudi Arabia. Mainly the reason why is because they continue a very destructive tradition of marrying their first cousins, which results in carrying on all kinds of genetic diseases. My husband and I worked in a large eye hospital there, and diabetic retinopathy was what most of the research abstracts were written about, because it was the number one cause of blindness. Number two was trachoma, which is spread by flies (picture third world kids and adults with flies all over their faces). Then there was retinoblastoma, which is cancer of the eye. It is very rare here in America, but very common among children there.

  • Doc Sarvis

    President Obama made the right choice here (again). For the administration to release the photos to the public would be dancing on the grave and would insite extremists to more violoence. We are above that.

    National Security officials from both sides of the political spectrum have seen the photos and there is genetic material saved that confirm that it was Osama who was killed. So we do have proof.

    Besides, I have no doubt that eventually, through WikiLeakes or some other avenue, these photos will leak out to public venues. It will not be seen as the administration’s decision.

    Well played Mr. President.

    • Carol J

      Until I see a photo, I will not believe he was actually killed. And even then I will wonder since modern technology can fake anything.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Heck I saw Bin Laden in a 7-11,in Bakersfield yesterday.He sold me two bottles of Fat Tire,amd a can of Copenhagen.

        • Jovianus

          Hey ! He can’t be there ! I saw him at Wal Mart being a Greeter along with Elvis and Michael Jackson !

      • Eddie47d

        So Carol why would you even want to see the pics if you won’t believe it anyway? That’s a little redundant.

        • Jovianus

          LOL

        • Cawmun Cents

          Havent you heard Eddie47d?A wise man named Kodak once said,”A picture is worth a thousand words”.-CC

        • Jay

          Eddie says: So Carol, why would you even want to see the pics, or proof, that i fear would convince you that this is all a scam? Although your quest for truth is admirable, my efforts to conceal it are becoming redundant! Hope this helps!

        • Carol J

          Reread what I said. I didn’t say I wouldn’t believe them, I said I would still wonder if they were real or faked. I really would want to believe they were real.

          • Jovianus

            Carol…do you wonder about that with all photographs?

    • Kevin

      You’re kidding, right??

    • Cawmun Cents

      As I have stated before,I see no conspiracy theory to the killing of Bin Laden.But the statement that it might inflame the Muslim world against us is laughable at best.Folks…we are currently involved in three conflicts in the Middle East.How can you inflame the Muslim world any more than that?Does the POTUS suppose that a photo of a dead man which half will believe,and half will laugh at is a reason to inflame Muslims against us?But going to war in Libya is not a reason?Does he suppose that the Muslims see eye to eye with us on the Libyan issue?Look…if you have killed the dreaded Bin Laden,then dont you think that the killing of one of their heroes,will inflame Muslims against you?Showing a picture will inflame them even more?That is a laughable premise.That someone even will swallow that is amusing.Black Science is being used on the American populace and they dont even know what Black Science is.Someone needs to educate the masses……

      • Doc Sarvis

        Fighting is a way of life for extremists – that does not inflame them. A photo of their killed top leader or symbolic leader would throw fuel on the fire just as a cartoon did several years ago.

        • Mick

          Doc Sarvis says:
          May 6, 2011 at 9:27 am
          Fighting is a way of life for extremists – that does not inflame them. A photo of their killed top leader or symbolic leader would throw fuel on the fire just as a cartoon did several years ago.

          ********************************************
          So your suggestion would be to continue kissing their a$$es for eternity the way the liberals have been doing for ever so the bastards wouldn’t be offended and retaliate…
          They will create more trouble and deaths regardless, if they start their crap, take no prisoners eliminate them period…no more of this humanitarian fighting that simply gets our boys and girls killed.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I don’t know what “liberals” you are referring to and what they have done to make you think they have been subserviant to our enemy. Mick, please elaborate.

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says: I don’t know what “liberals” you are referring to and what they have done to make you think they have been subserviant to our enemy, but Mick, please, as a liberal who has been subservient to our enemy I need to know. Elaborate, please! Pretty please?

        • Cawmun Cents

          So how many people were killed after the cartoon of Mohammed was published?Does anyone have that statistic?Apparently not,since there is actually no way to interview combatants engaged in subterfuge.I call bulls#!t Doc.It is a tactic of the left,used to stymie the deduction process of those who dont practice deduction too much.The seduction here is to get you to buy a premise that is false in its pretexts.First of all,our Muslim enemies do not need any further inflammation in order to kill our folks.Secondly,proving the reason someone killed is from a picture of a slain hero,or a long dead prophet is untenable.You have no means of proving that the reason a Muslim kills an infidel,is because of a photo or caricature.It(the photo and cartoon excuse)is stated as dangerous in order to keep you from obtaining proof and to limit your freedom of expression(Especially if you live in Denmark).There is no functional reality to the premise to begin with.Okay maybe in Denmark there is,but no where else is it evident that these people need such distraction to kill us.So that argument can go staight out of the window.Show the damn pic,and that way everyone will see that he is truly dead ending any argument.If you have a person holding the body up,clouding outtheir face of course than it lends creedence to the claim that he was taken out.Comprende?

        • Jay

          Doc Sarvis says: Fighting is a way of life for an extremist like me – that does not inflame me. A photo of my killed top leader or symbolic leader would throw fuel on the fire just as a cartoon I once watched did several years ago. Hope this helps. This is Doc Sarvis saying: “Good night and good news”.

          • Cawmun Cents

            It may help you but it didnt answer my questions……nor did it reply sensibly to the post.

    • Jay

      Doc Sarvis says: President Obama made the choice to lie once more, here (again). For the administration to release the photos to the public would prove that the assumption that it would insite extremists to more violence, is false. We are above that.

      National Security criminals, from both sides of the political spectrum, have seen the doctored photos and there is genetic material, whatever that means, saved, that may possibly confirm that it was Osama and NOT, Obama, who was killed. So i’m almost pretty sure we do have proof.

      Besides, I have no doubt, well I do have doubts, BUT NOT ABOUT THIS, that eventually, through WikiLeakes or some other government owned avenue, these photos will leak out to public venues. It will not be seen as the administration’s decision, for as you know, they are to clever for us. Hope this helps!
      This is Doc Sarvis, saying: “Good night and good news”.

      PS. Way to fool them Mr. President.

  • Jim

    why is it the most untrustworthy muslim communist chairman obama consistently demands we trust him ….hell no I wont …I believe NOTHING that comes out of this commie bastards purple lips…mark my words this puke obama will not release any of the photos ….till 2012 when he finds that America has seen through his socialist ,Marxist ,commie plans and his poll numbers are in the shitter then photos of his dead muslim brother osama will be leaked by his administration….BHO = AMERICAS NUMBER ONE ENEMY MUSLIM TERRORIST

    • Doc Sarvis

      Your rant is just that and NOTHING more. Why would a “muslim communist chairman” conduct wars on Muslim peoples/nations? President Obama is a Christian (religiously) and a centerist politically.

      • Cawmun Cents

        In case you havent heard Doc,these people(Muslims)are at war with each other constantly.And they stone each other to death,which is a form of punishment too ancient for someone of your advanced progression to comprehend.

      • JKO

        Doc he is not a “Christian religiously. No Christian sect believes in collective salvation. Many of the sects have differences on many things. But all agree that you come to God on your own merit. It is an individual thing. As far as his politics are concerned he is definitely not a centrist.
        And FYI Bush was actually a ways from being conservative from my perspective. (Libertarian)

        • Cawmun Cents

          Although you may not be aware I have already had the “christianity” conversation with Doc,many months ago.He just isnt going to listen to us.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I try to listen but I am still waiting for you to make sense.

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says: I try to listen but, since I don’t drink coffee and I have short attention deficit disorder, it is then needles to say, am still waiting for you to make sense. What was the question again?

          • Thamera

            He has the answer Jovi and he has already told you. I have the answer and so do millions of other people. It is sad that you prefer to live in such a dark, hateful little world that you have created for yourself with your only friend google by your side. Why don’t you try really educating yourself and read something of substance?

        • Cawmun Cents

          Seperately,a Christian doesnt have any merit with God.And you do not come to Him.He comes to you.In effect He reached down/out to us through Jesus Christ.We are only “given”(a gift is not something given through merit,an award is)salvation through Gods gift of Christ to us,as a perfect sacrifice for our transgressions.It has nothing(stress on the word nothing)to do with any merit we personally have with God.He builds us every day to become closer to Christ,but if we had to rely on our own merit we would be destined for hell as anyone else would be.Christians rely entirely on Christ(His having atoned for us on the cross),or they are not Christians.That is why collective salvaton is a false doctrine.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Of course I meant to say that these things are personal,as in each person has a seperate relationship with God,and that salvation is personal in nature and not collectively done.

          • Jovianus

            Sounds like youhave a nicer god than most on this board. What sect is he the god to? (or is he a she?)

          • Cawmun Cents

            Christianity.

          • Jovianus

            Cawmun….when I last looked (about 5 minutes ago), there were at a minimum 36 “major” sects of the religion commonly known as “Christianity”…. not even including Evangelical, or Right wing slobbering wide eyed fanataics, or American Taliban.

            Now…..since the chrisitan ‘god’ is all knowing…which of those sects has the true guidance?

            Be sure to let me know when you come up with the answer …

          • Thamera

            Reply to Jovi’s inane question should have gone here: And btw Cawmun did answer you, but you seem to have a huge problem with reading comprehension…as well as answering questions btw LOL

            He has the answer Jovi and he has already told you (it’s a matter of personal choice – hence the many sects of religion…duh.) I have the answer and so do millions of other people. It is sad that you prefer to live in such a dark, hateful little world that you have created for yourself with your only friend google by your side. Why don’t you try really educating yourself and read something of substance?

          • Cawmun Cents

            “eyes with which to see,yet they remain closed.”-CC

      • Jay

        Doc Sarvis says: Your rant is just that and NOTHING more. Why would a “muslim communist chairman” conduct wars on Muslim peoples/nations? Pull your head out the sand, don’t you know President Obama is already doing that! And he’s a Christian, muslim, socialist, Marxists, left, right, negative, positive, bi-polar bear, homo, straight, you know, a centrist, religiously and politically speaking of course. Hope this helps!

  • Bus

    It is evident that Obama respects the feelings of the Muslim world more than those of his fellow Americans. On a political level, this is turning into a great diversion, he and the dems were getting slammed on the budget issue so making this death conspiracy thing into a big deal pushes the real problems to the back pages of the papers. When will the media lapdogs start calling the conspiracy believers “deathers”? they are so cleaver.

    • Christin

      Bus,
      “Deathers”…Oh please, don’t give them any ideas… :)

      • Mick

        Christin says:
        May 6, 2011 at 8:46 am
        Bus,
        “Deathers”…Oh please, don’t give them any ideas…

        ****************************************
        Don’t worry Christin..if it’s crooked enough I have all the confidence in the world that the liberals will think of it on their own,,,honesty and integrity on the other hand ????????????

        • Christin

          Mick & Bus,
          I know you guys are right.

          In one of the End times videos we watched… maybe the books in the Left Behind series I read, they called the ones that were for God, but against the evil government… “The Haters.”

          The rhetoric in DC and with the Left has almost gotten there with the slamming of the Conservative Tea Partiers who are mostly believers and Constitutional Freedom lovers as: racist, astro turf, nazis, even terrorists…
          Actually they are what they call us.

          • Mick

            Christin says:
            May 6, 2011 at 9:15 pm
            Mick & Bus,
            I know you guys are right.

            In one of the End times videos we watched… maybe the books in the Left Behind series I read, they called the ones that were for God, but against the evil government… “The Haters.”

            The rhetoric in DC and with the Left has almost gotten there with the slamming of the Conservative Tea Partiers who are mostly believers and Constitutional Freedom lovers as: racist, astro turf, nazis, even terrorists…
            Actually they are what they call us.
            ************************
            Right again Christin,,,And let’s not forget how the left keeps on calling the people from the right, selfish and greedy when they’re the ones always asking for more money, more health benefits, more days off , less work and the list goes on and on…
            they are becoming very dangerous to a free and happy society………..

    • ValDM

      Bus,
      I’m with you. When we’re discussing the “death” of OBL, it takes us away from the vigilence needed to watch what the O-boy is doing behind closed doors. Put this thing to rest where it belongs, & let’s do what we’re supposed to do : watch the O-boy like a hawk.

  • John R. Harbison

    I have waited way to long for this. I don’t wont to here him dead, I wont to see him dead.

  • http://n/a John Beach

    Probably most of his friends would rather remember him the way he was anyway and take consolation in the fact that, before he met an apparently gruesome fate, he was, by their standards, a figure bearing more similarities to Solomon’s Head of Christ as the best-known and best-recognized leader of Islamic Terrorism in the entire world. The similarities end there and, as we know, his disciples are going into all the world and practicing a kind of religion that is far-removed from the “gospel of peace.” We need to be “wise as serpents” in dealing with them.

    • Jay

      John Beach, you are indeed wise. God Bless you!

  • Mick

    I am trying to understand some of the terms the democrats use now days to conduct our country’s business .

    Transparency = The murkier, the better

    Respect = who cares who earned it and deserves it as long as they resemble a human body and has no tie to republicans

    Fair = What they can collect from hard working folks to give to the laze to get their votes.

    Truth = What ever works to benefit their agenda

    Compassion = Be generous to even the worse possible degenerates on earth.

    Constitution…This one is the hardest of them all according to the liberal version of it.

    Where can I buy a liberal dictionary to look at so I may be able to understand what they’re trying to say and do………?

    Damn they’re making it hard to be a good citizen………..

    • Doc Sarvis

      Mick = hyperbole

      • Mick

        Hey Doc,,,, Careful throwing your compliments so freely….coming from you ,i know it’s a compliment…

      • JKO

        Perhaps you could be specific in where this is true Doc. Everything he said is true in my experience.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Just to get started, here’s three of them:

          Truth – all along the President and MANY other HI officials have been verifying that President Obama was born in HI, he was obviously telling the truth on that and many other issues.

          Fair – allowing the people who do most of the work in this country to keep more of their money. And even though he was defeated on this point he tried to get those who benefit the most from our country and our workers to pay a little bit more of their surplus to help the country out durring these hard times.

          Compassion – allow people who have pre-existing conditions to get health insurance and allowing young folks trying to get a start in this rough economy to stay on their parents insurance.

          • JC

            Malignance: Trashing the economy of the American people.
            : Failing to secure our borders.
            : Supplying our enemies with weapons.
            : Praying with the Muslim Enemy
            : Allegiance to NATO and the UN.

            Not very liberal of me to say so, is it? ;)

          • Doc Sarvis

            JC
            What “Muslim Enemy” did President Obama pray with?
            What President has NOT had allegiance to NATO and the U.N.?
            What recent president has done more to secure our borders?
            What enemy did President Obama supply with what weapons?

          • Thamera

            golly gosh gumdrops with sprinkles on top Doc. What a benevolent president to “allow” people that make money to keep their money…LMAO twice! Are you really so guillable, naive and ignorant? Tell me, do you have a binkie when you nap with your blankie??

          • Doc Sarvis

            Ah Thamera,

            It is so easy to ridicule someone and say they are wrong but when it comes to making a counter argument you’ve fallen short. I wonder why?

          • Don

            Doc, it’s all socialist ideas that’s the problem, most of us in America don’t want it, if you like it so well then move to a socialist country, but don’t tread on me !!!

          • JC

            Doc Sarvis says:

            May 6, 2011 at 1:14 pm

            JC
            What “Muslim Enemy” did President Obama pray with?

            UNTIL MUSLIMS DENOUNCE RADICALISIM, THEY’RE ALL ENEMIES
            OBAMA HAS PRAYED WITH THEM IN OUR WHITE HOUSE

            What President has NOT had allegiance to NATO and the U.N.?

            AN ALLEIGIANCE OVER AND ABOVE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES (moron)

            What recent president has done more to secure our borders?

            IRRELEVANT…YOUR TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT POSTURE IS CHILDISH.
            THIS PRESIDENT TOOK A SOVEREIGN STATE TO WORLD COURT FOR TRYING TO DO WHAT THIS PRESIDENT WOULDN’T

            What enemy did President Obama supply with what weapons?

            MEXICAN DRUG LORDS – AMERICANS HAVE BEEN MURDERED BY THEM WITH GUNS SUPPLIED BY THE BATFE UNDER HIS DIRECTION. HIS ‘LEADERSHIP’

          • Doc Sarvis

            JC

            Our enemy are the radicals of that faith. There are radical elements of practically every faith. Many Muslim people are helping us in our fight against the radical sectors of their faith. President Obama and anyone for that matter can and should pray with them for our common good.

            What makes you think President Obama holds an allegiance to NATO and the UN above the United States? I see no evidence of that point.

            Your reply on the borders is a bit confusing referring to “this president” in opposing actions. I also don’t see what my “two wrongs” are that you refer to. Nevertheless, President Obama has put more boots on the ground in the fight to secure our borders than any other recent president. Is it enough? No but he is doing more than other recent presidents with a much more difficult budget to devote to the problem.

            President Obama did not supply drug lords with weapons and did not direct them to kill people! Absurd!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Don,
            We are NOT a socialist country. We have some social programs but we have almost always had that and every developed country has some social programs. That does not make a socialist country.

          • JC

            And Doc Sarvis once again tries to hide a turd by wrapping it in flowers…

            Obama is as guilty as sin of everything I said and a lot more.
            He’s an anti-American imposter and should be catapulted in the general direction of his homeland.

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says:Don,
            We are NOT a socialist country. We have some social programs but we have almost always had that and every developed country has some social programs. That does not make a socialist country. However, we are social beings and although we socialize that does not necessarily mean we are a socialist country. On the other hand, if we are not socialist and are social beings..uhhh, oh crap, I lost my train of thought again, damn it! Uh, now where was I…oh yeah, communism…

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says:Just to get started, here’s the three lies:

            Lie number 1 – all along the President and MANY other HI officials have been verifying that President Obama was born in HI, he was obviously telling the truth on that and many other issues.

            Lie number 2 – allowing the people who do most of the work in this country to keep more of their money. And even though he was defeated on this point he tried to get those who benefit the most from our country and our workers to pay a little bit more of their surplus to help the country out durring these hard times.

            Lie number 3 – allow people who have pre-existing conditions to get health insurance and allowing young folks trying to get a start in this rough economy to stay on their parents insurance.

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says: President Obama did not supply drug lords with weapons and did not direct them to kill people! Absurd! He merely gave the orders. Jeesh, do I have to spell everything out for you right wing radical nutbars?

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says:Ah Thamera,

            It is so easy to ridicule someone and say they are wrong but when it comes to making a counter argument you’ve fallen short. I know this, I do it all the time. I wonder why?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Doc,
            Pray tell, just what has nobummer done to make our borders safer??? Trying to resurect scamnesty???? giving the drug runners guns so he can say they are getting guns from the states and will try to disarm US??? By aprehending more illegals?? come on doc! When you have 20 million illegals coming across the border compared to 10 million a few years ago, it’s easier to catch more! As I said to you before, LET’S TALK PERCENTAGES!!! What was the percentage caught in 2007 and the percentage caught in 2010??? Check it out doc!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Gee doc, no answer to that? Or is it just too hard to think of facts???

        • Carlucci

          Mick is a chick, not a guy.

          • Mick

            You’re right Carlucci..
            Most liberals are under the impression that when someone criticize the left they automatically have to be men. I know many women who absolutely detest what the left is doing they don’t give in to the Ninnies of the world and stand by their beliefs.
            Keep up the good work Carlucci..
            , you’re doing great……….

          • Carlucci

            So are you, Mick! I love reading what you, Kate8, Time, and many others post. It is comforting to see that some people really “get it”.
            Unfortunately, too many don’t get it.

      • Thamera

        Those comparisons are hardly hyperbole Doc. LOL

  • SJL

    I agree completely with John. We will see the photo’s of OBL right about the time the 2012 election cycle heats up. I also believe what the Coach had to say. There wasway too much media play in 2001, and yes, Bush 43 did change his verbiage and there were leaks of OBL’s pending doom from a deadly desease affecting his kidneys.
    UNFORTUNATELY, we have come to be a society that has let itself be over-run by our own government. I would not doubt that OBL died in 2001 and was frozen and “thawed out” for this media event we just witnessed. Our government has gotten so big, so technically savy and so “cross connected” they have become a tentacled monster that feeds us what it wants us to see, WHEN IT IS POLITICALLY to the benefit of the POTUS. There are none of us who really know when OBL died, nor will we ever. “We the People” have let our government get so big and so controlling of our lives that there is almost no way to get it back. Granted, I am not some person living in the woods with 200 of my closest conspiracy theorist buddy’s shooting up tin cans and waiting for the chance to overthrow our own government, BUT I do believe that our Founding Fathers were right in how they set up our government. They foresaw how men in power could be corrupted and set our Constitution up accordingly. They just never planned on leaders who would not love this country as much as they did. They never planned for leaders thatwould destroy this great country for their own gain. Thru out the years, our own government has made it impossible for anyone to be elected to an “high office” that is not either wealthy enough to buy in, or connected enough to be given the “nod” and “Made” like a mafia don. I do believe that our armed forces are true and loyal to our flag. I just wonder what will happen on that day in the “not too distant future” when they are called upon to police us, “The People”? NOTHING IS OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. Remember that.

    • ValDM

      Thank you

  • duif100

    Are we to believe that releasing the photos of OBL’s death will agitate the fanatical Muslims more than the actual killing him? I do not believ that anyone with any common sense will buy that nonsense.
    It is no more than Obama playing politics with the death of Osama, just like he did with the birth certificate. It gives him a lot of free publicity tied to the only positive thing he did for the US. At the right opportune time the pictures will be released to make the opposing candidate look bad before the elections.
    I never would have thought the Osama would be campaigning for Obama.

    • Mick

      duif100 says:
      May 6, 2011 at 9:02 am
      I never would have thought the Osama would be campaigning for Obama.
      ***********************************
      duif100 …….And why not ? Everything else is fair game with the democrat mentality………..

    • Eddie47d

      Mick; George Bush did worse by sending Colin Powell to the UN with a fake vial of anthrax to stir up war passions. Is that how the Republicans are?

      • Mick

        Eddie47d

        Do your fabrications ever stop ????

      • JKO

        I’m sorry but you really do need to get over yourself Ed.

      • JC

        Scotch and Corn Flakes for breakfast…again?

      • JeffH

        …and to think he’s got the audacity to accuse others of being “know-it-all’s”.

      • Jay

        There’s Eddie, always digging up and playing with corpses! Kids, what ya gonna do?

        • Eddie47d

          Gotta love that childish Republican humor.Can’t say you’d make much money off of it but they are looking for part time help at the circus. I think it’s for the dunking gage for that ought to sober you up.

          • Jay

            Eddie says: Gotta love that childish Republican humor. Can’t say you’d make much money off of it, but since i’m retiring, my part-time help position at the circus is available. I think it’s for the dunking gage for that ought to sober you up, it sure did me.

  • http://google xdemocrat

    Perfect example of THUG

  • http://google xdemocrat

    Perfect example of THUG on THUG crime!!

  • http://com i41

    If we ever get to see photos of something, it will be a fake like the bc that was released. No foot prints or mothers thumb prints, so if it is bin Laden,will it have any finger print ridges or will it be just a plastic blow up doll like Onumnutts is. The Kenyian bc does have his foot prints, so Hi. was still in stoneage and had monks in a cave making bcs. When Onumnutts took over 16 hrs of playing with himself, before signing off on the mission. This after a year of knowing what was going on and what would happen, what a crossbred f–k up. Mick, just go by any pced Superman or any Hero comic book. As for the b–l s–t of possible inflaming Islamist, tough crap, llight the pedophile pervert rug rubbers, easier to spot and ID any where they go. See another loony wing of the dumbocrap party idoits are planning to sue for rights of rocks and mother earth. Always like crushing rocks and making aggregate, just like dead muslims, easy to drive on and prevents tire damage and easy on vehicles.

    • Jovianus

      I know…I know…because you want the Kenyan BC to be real…it has to be. Despite being proven beyond doubt it is fake. Beyond doubt. Jeesh ….

      Let me guess…if you had a footprint of the Presdient and it turned out to be different than the one on the fake Kenyan BC…you’d calim the Presdident had transplant surgery replacing his feet..and would demand to look for scars on his body to ‘prove’ it.

      http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/feature/2009/08/03/birthers_kenya

      • Jay

        Jovianus says: Let me guess…if you had a footprint of the Presdient and it turned out to be different than the one on the fake Kenyan BC…you’d calim the Presdident had transplant surgery replacing his feet..and would demand to look for scars on his body to ‘prove’ it.

        No Jovi, we would demand we look for integrity and that the schmuck in chief should prove his eligibility for Presidency!!!

        • Eddie47d

          Been there done that!

          • Jay

            Eddie says: Been there never done that!

  • ONTIME

    The Decider aka the Manufactured Man aka the Mystery Man is consistent with his so called pragmatic thinking and the turmoil and inconsistency of result…what did you expect?

    In the rush to claim some glory for his adminsitrative prowness and a validity as a CIC the debriefing information was ignored and now it is skewered and posing more questions than answers. Another frigging mess you got us into Ollie, now who is he going blame?

    The photos will be released, it will be like pulling hen’s teeth and the accomplishment of getting them to the public will no doubt ring with some kind of insult as to the depravity of americans for demanding this evidence..as already implied.

    Standby folks, the Porky Pig Press Club will no doubt try another end run to stop the truth and will not waste the opportunity to slap the face of the nation in doing so.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Why can’t the bin Laden photos be released and displayed?? Our enemies already know we put bin Laden to justice. They don’t need a photo to know that!! Or is this another case of political correctness?? GET REAL!! Given what this miscreant did on 9/11/01, it should make all of America happy to see what our brave military personnel achieved!! Likewise, I had a better idea on what to do with bin Laden’s corpse. They should’ve brought it back here, to any pistol range in or around New York City. It could’ve been hung on chains (perhaps like a party piñata on a string), and visitors to the pistol range could’ve used bin Laden’s corpse for target practice!! That would’ve made a great video!! And if a picture paints a thousand words, surely all of our enemies should see a photo of the dead bin Laden and get the message. That is – DON’T MESS WITH AMERICA!! We won’t let our enemies push us around or threaten us!!!!

    • Cawmun Cents

      Lets get Mexicans to make effigy pinatas of Bin Ladens head,(complete with bullethole in eye to stuff candy in)so they can hit him with shoes and get a treat for it.

    • CJM

      Unfortunately, we are being pushed around–and the enemy is in the White House.

  • CJM

    obama has taken the self-imposed role of big daddy too seriously…he is ‘protecting his children’ from the unseemly side of life. According to obama, we adults are not capable of discerning when we should use discretion in viewing such things as the death of an enemy no matter how gory. There are movies people see all the time that contain more gore than what transpired when the Seals went into that compound. One person who viewed the photos said “they weren’t that bad.”

    • Carlucci

      Obama is a pimp – he walks and talks just like one.

      • Jay

        Carlucci, obama is not a pimp, Michelle is the pimp, and obama is the bitch! Come on now, pay attention!(-:

        • Kate8

          Jay – Obama is not a pimp. He’s being pimped, and so is Michelle.

          He began his “career” as a cocaine dealer and male prostitute.

          Nothing’s changed really, except that his pimps are bigger and more powerful now.

        • Carlucci

          Jay and Kate8 – Okay. I hear you loud and clear. I forgot about Moo-chelle, who looks like she could kick Ovomit’s weenie ass any day of the week.

  • K

    No…He’s just going to wait a few months ’till he can have some good photo-shops made…as usual! I am so sick of all of the lies and deceptions from that socialist imposter!!!!

  • K

    P.S. What about all of the beheadings that we get to see? Give them back a little of what they dish out!!!

  • K

    P’P’S’
    We didn’t become the great country that we “were” by being politically correct, and letting other countries push us around and tell us what we should do or how we should act…I’m done, but I could go on and on and on…I am SO disgusted!!!!!

  • Dale on the left coast

    This is interesting . . . may not be 100% correct . . . but sounds plausable . . .

    I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

    Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LOmlq9wG

  • Bear

    Well, here we go again. More of “King Barak Obama’s decrees.” More of his promised transparency. I’m so sick and tired of this imposter that I could puke. Let’s get it straight……..We pay the taxes that fund out military and this was a military operation. It is NOT the President’s right to decide what we get or don’t get. It is OUR decision. We paid for the operation, now let us see the proof that Bin Laden was actually killed in this raid as they say he was. Obama has hidden his fake birth certificate for three years and now he intends to hide the truth about his Muslim brother Bin Laden. We need to demand proof. We have that right and like I’ve stated, we’ve paid for it.

  • karolyn

    Bla, bla, bla! Al Quaeda has just announced that they accept his death and have indicated there will be repercussions. Get over not getting to see gross, bloody pictures. Who really cares? We are supposed to be better than they are.

    • Carlucci

      karolyn – “Al Qaeda” is not a “group”. It is and has always been a CIA database. Anyone depicting “Al Qaeda” as a group with a spokesperson is just another liar put out there to deceive the masses.

      It is common knowledge in some circles that shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

      http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=15254

      • Carlucci

        BTW – a friend of mine sent me an article from the Asia Times after the OBL story broke. The article was about how this whole “killing of OBL” story is a bunch of bullshit lies to deceive the American people.

    • Jay

      Karolyn says: Bla, bla, bla! Al Quaeda has just announced that they accept his death and have indicated there will be repercussions. Get over not getting to see gross, bloody pictures. Who really cares? We are supposed to be better than they are. Oh, and I forgot to mention, I put a tooth under my pillow last night, and this morning, in its stead, I found my brain!

    • Bear

      Karolyn,
      With all due respect, we are living in a time of “smoke and mirrors.” Never have we seen so much of a close connection between Hollywood and the oval office. Our political leaders honestly do believe they can “fool all of the people all of the time.” Do you believe the Obama has brought forth a real long form birth certificate? Do you believe this is the real thing? If so, why did he choose to do it now and why are we being given the gift of a dead OBL at this time? Why did Obama choose to allow one of our Military leaders, Col. Terry Laking to be stripped of his rank, pay, privileges, and retirement after almost 20 years of service because the Col. doubted Obama’s right to be commander in chief? I’ll tell you why. Because Obama thinks he is God and it really pisses him off for anyone to go against anything he thinks or does. Obama’s full intention was to make an example out of the Colonel. THAT’S how Obama is and THAT’S how he thinks. He will go to no end to get his way and he has a cabinet full of others, both Republican and Democrat, willing to follow him. Trust me, Obama is not through with his little show. We will be seeing much more between now and the 2012 Presidential election. He wants to be re-elected really bad. Look at how he mocked Donald Trump and jeered him. All for show, telling us how we have much more important things to worry about and deal with than a side show about his birth certificate and then he goes on vacation. His agendas are the only thing important to him. Not you and me believing he is one of us nor the life of a dedicated service man, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin meant squat to him. That’s the REAL Obama.

      • Karolyn

        It’s all in the perception, Bear. Thank God we don’t all think alike!

        • JeffH

          Yes K, thank GOD we all don’t!

  • karolyn

    What a bloodthirsty bunch of people! Sitting here reading, I’m thinking if you guys keep it up you will be forcing more and more people to vote the opposite of your choice just because you sound so outrageous!

    • JC

      Outraged alright….outrageously angry that “certain people” are trying to destroy our country. If you were any kind of an American, you too would be outraged.

      • Doc Sarvis

        JC
        And if you had any valid points you would make them with information as opposed to rants.

        • JC

          Gee where ya been Doc? I make valid points all the time and when I do all we get from you is silence because you have nothing to come back with.
          You’re probably one of those people with the attention span of a goldfish that has to be retrained after every coffee break.
          GFY Dipstick.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Ah JC – nice ending. Shows you where your mind is.

            My attention span is fine and I don’t even drink coffee. I have yet to see your supporting facts from you on this string. Plenty of rants though.

          • Jovianus

            JC…you make valid points? Seriously? In what year was it you made the last one?

          • JC

            First of to the pair of you Obamunist idiots…I’m allowed my opinion and observations. IF and WHEN I want to make a point I will back it up as I always do. I’m not on trial for you idiots and you are, to me, the enemy…not people to debate with. The linse have already been drawn and it’s just a matter of time…

            I’ll repeat. GFY

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis says: My attention span is fine and I don’t even drink coffee.

            Doc, it may be fine for you but its not fine for us, please, do us all a favour and start drinking coffee!!!

          • Eddie47d

            Get off the moonshine Jay your brain is already whacked.

          • Jovianus

            JC…I have a question for you. A serious one. Will you “back it up” the same year you make a valid point?

            So far….we’e waiting for the first one.

            If you made one on a day when i was absent from posting, please supply it as I would be missing out on the privilege…

          • Jay

            Sadly jovianus, although you’re here you’re always absent!

          • Thamera

            So true Jay…I’m still waiting for Jovi’s definition of patriot, tea party member and statesman. Shouldn’t be too hard, should it? He or she sure can’t seem to put any thoughts together on the matter though..not without first consulting google, the dictionary or case law! hahahahahahahahahahaha

          • Jay

            Jovianus says: JC…you make valid points? Seriously? In what year was it you made the last one, and in what year did I seriously understand one?

      • Thamera

        Much easier to keep your head stuck in the sand like karolyn and Doc…keep em coming Doc, your inane belief in the man you have so much esteem for is quite amusing, as well as pathetic. Talk about devoid of facts…suck it all down…gulp!

        • Doc Sarvis

          so where are your facts?

          • Jovianus

            Doc..bear in mind Thamera claims to have taught ‘government’ classes…and maintains that a treaty once ratified by the Senate can override the US Constitution. Yeah…. I know…this is despite a case on point by the SCOTUS saying just the opposite.

            Yet, she stated I knew nothing about the Constitution nor about government. LOL … [I think she teaches the Pledge of Allegience to first graders and prays everyday there no competency tests ...]

            BTW..she never has responded to the case cite post i provided her so she can be enlightened. Would that surprise you? lol

          • JC

            Doc if you are to great an idiot to figure out anything for yourself…you probably shouldn’t leave the house unescorted.
            All you do is say “where’s your facts”.

            Like a child who can “why” its mother to death…just like a child.

          • Jay

            Doc Sarvis, why would you want to confuse the issue with facts and get yourself all agitated? Careful now, don’t you have your susceptibility to brain aneurisms to worry about?

          • Thamera

            They are all over these boards Doc but it gets rather tiresome repeating oneself over and over and over and over and over. And I’m sorry, but your transparent “blind love” of the president just earned you the response you got, it certainly earned nothing more. Every argument comes down to basic principles and values. It doesn’t require a diatribe of facts every time. What is obvious is that you and Jovi require big government in your lives and need them to wipe your faces. That is completely counter to what the founding father’s based the constitution on. It is a matter of personal choice and FREE AGENCY something the two of you can’t seem to wrap you minds around and really requires no further explanation. I am well versed in the teaching, principles, readings and philosophies that the constitution was founded upon. Based on most of your vapid, clueless, benign statements heralding big government and the usurper currently in power, it is obvious that neither of you have any real understanding of the principles and values of the constitution. As for case law Jovi, that earns you another “I’m a dupe” award and any further explanation would not only take pages, but days and unfortunately time does not permit as I work for a living… But since you are so intent on slamming elementary ed teachers let me make this easy for you…I don’t teach primary education but I have a lot of respect for the teachers that do, unlike you. Now, maybe you would like to try to define what a patriot is again, or better yet, how about statesmen? I know that is quite a challenge because you have been unable to do that so far, but hey, maybe you will surprise us….or do you need case law or a dictionary to interpret that for you? LMAO!

      • Jovianus

        JC…i am outrageously angry you and other TPers are out to destroy this Nation for nothing but selfish gain for the monied powers controlling you and your thoughts.

        • JC

          And that’s because you haven’t the least clue what morality is and you want to live off of everyone else…like a good communist, like the thief you are. Drop dead Commie, we don’t need you.

        • Thamera

          Therein belies your ignorance Jovi…like I said earlier to Doc, you suck it all down – gulp! Perhaps you would like to cite some examples of the planned ruination of America by the hand of the tea party movement? Better yet Jovi, why don’t you describe a member of the tea party for us? I know it is a challenge since you couldn’t define patriot, but maybe you will surprise us LOL!!!

          • Jovianus

            Thamera…I referred you to Websters. You want I paste the definition here for you? As i also said, as you state you are American, you don’t fit the definition.

            For someone who says they are “well versed’ in the Constitution, you sure as heck don’t show any of it in your posts here.

            Finally…when you refer to ‘founding fathers”, as you are so ‘well versed’ in the Constitution etc…then you know such reference is so vague as to be useless. Which ‘Founding fathers”? The Articles, the First Congress, the Second Congress, the Dec of Independence drafters or signers? And whom specifically since there are literally hundreds in number? And what ‘document’ do you refer to because as most who are ‘well versed’ in actuality knows that…for instance … in the Federalist papers…Hamilton, who adhered to Hobbes economic theories, wrote in the views of Locke, while Jefferson..a follower of Locke’s economic theories, wrote as a Hobbesian.

            Tossing out vague terms and erronous “constutional” aspects…such as the Senate may confirm a treaty and override our Constitution…shows you to be nothing more than …well to be brutally honest …at best a fool and fake.

          • Thamera

            LOL Jovi, keep grasping at straws. You wouldn’t last 5 minutes in my classes. My students could run circles around your feeble arguments. I asked you a very specific question…you have yet to answer…What is a patriot Jovi? What is a statesman? What are the principles and values are constitution was founded on? Do you know anything about the live’s of our founders? When was the last time you read The Declaration of Independence? How about The Proper Role of Government? How about Emerson or Thoreau, Jonathan Swift perhaps? And btw, knock of the “I’m stupid” routine about our founding fathers. It is accepted that the founders of our country are the ones we revere (well that I revere, can’t say the same about you) as being George Washington, Thomas Jefferson & Benjamin Franklin just to name a few.

          • Thamera

            Oh and btw Jovi it is called plagiarism to cite ideas that are not your own without giving reference to the author (website) in your case that they came from.

          • Thamera

            And Jovi, I never said any such thing or made any such reference about treaties and the constitution…maybe you put something else in your cranberry juice?

          • JeffH

            Thamera, notice how jovi-commie completely ignored and skirted your questions about the Tea Party and their supporters.

          • Jovianus

            LOL…ok Thamera. You’re correct. You never stated in another forum that some UN Small Arms Treaty would, when ratified by the UN, strip us of rights. And you never ever denigrated me stating I knew nothing about the Consitution because you ‘studied it” and taught government classes when I pointed out the stupidity of your statement and the Senate cannot erase the Constitutional protections we enjoy.

            Nope…Oh, and you never did get back to us on that SCOTUS ruling I gave to you …

            But go ahead, make things up, deny reality, and appease your low self esteem…

            LOL

          • Thamera

            Well noted Jeff…as well as Jovi’s ability to “dish it out” but not his ability to “take it”. He can offend every elementary school teacher in America but is offended that I would intonate that he doesn’t know anything about the constitution. Sorry to offend Jovi, but the truth hurts. Have a good day :D

        • Carlucci

          Jovi, you are one sick puppy. Go hang with yo homies at ACORN.

          • Jovianus

            Nawww…TPers aren’t racist. Not at all…

          • Thamera

            No Jovi, they aren’t

        • Jay

          Jovianus Says: JC…i am outrageously angry that you and other TPers are out to rebuild this Nation for nothing but the good of all Americans and that you have the audacity and the desire to remove the powers that are controlling everyone’s lives and thoughts! Unbelievable!!!

          • Average Joe

            Jay, I think we all need to start calling Jovi by his proper given name…Justin Anus…AKA…Just an Anus. I am not sure why he comes here in the first place. He obviously does not agree with either the writers or the posters….so, the only reasons that I can come up with are as follows:
            1. He is a paid schill, paid to disrupt conservative blogs.
            2. He just likes to see if he can upset someone and get under their skin.
            3. He just likes to hear himself talk and see his name onscreen.
            4. Has an over inflated sense of ego and just can’t help himself.
            5. He really is that delusional and believes what he is saying.
            6. All of the above.

            I would have to go with option 6 myself.

            A word of advise…ignore and don’t feed the troll…it is a waste of you time…a valuable commodity that can never be replaced. If we all refrain from responding to him (and others like him) their mission in life fails…and eventually go away….because they can’t get what they’re after…a reaction. They need validation that they actually exist….I myself won’t give them the satisfaction.

            Before you reply “Justin Anus” ( because you just can’t let it go)…Your opinion has been duly noted and disregarded as the same worthless trash that you always post….so knock yourself out…it will only prove my point.

    • Jay

      Karolyn says: I’m thinking if you guys keep it up you will be forcing more and more people to vote the opposite of your choice.

      Karolyn, you mean Osama Bin Laden?

  • http://com i41

    Should have paraded the carcuss around like they did with Uda and Koosa Sadaam’s spawn. Then feed the sorry bastard to the feral hogs in Texas. The hogs could find some good faba beans to go with the sand lizard puke. Or else send him to the body farm to see how fast a sick corpse breaks down and maggots like a big carcuss to devour. See how many flies are produced, just like mealy worms.

  • Kate8

    More reasons for believing this was an event that never happened, and several probable reasons for doing it:

    http://dprogram.net/2011/05/05/paul-craig-roberts-what-is-the-agenda-behind-the-bin-laden-fable/

    It’s not just about O’s approval ratings.

    • Christin

      Kate8,
      Thanks for the link… watched part of it… they say what we are saying. I copied it down and will send it around.

  • nw

    I’m just trying to keep up with the new comedy series out of Washington. I can see Obama, Biden and Hillary Clinton all sitting around the TV with their popcorn watching the event to take place and suddenly the camera attached to the seals helmet has a glitch and 25 minutes of their assault on Bin Laden is blank. How disappointing? It’s like watching a soap opera and the show gets interrupted because of a newsbreaking event. You miss the show and the news which was announced didn’t affect you. What a bummer!! I’d like to know what cushy jobs all the seals will be getting for this charade, or maybe not. Be looking for a lot of suicides and mysterious deaths. Bill & Hillary have taken care of their blabber mouths as well as Papa and baby Bush doin in their stoolies. I’m sure the 3 stooges are planning their next comedic show and I can’t wait to see what they come up with.

  • Amy Beth

    Would seeing the photo really convince you? I think not. You’re mind is made up that Obama is lieing about it. Someone above mentioned government make up artist, if a photo was released then you would just say it’s a fake and critisize Obama for putting out a fake photo. Just like the birth certificate. So he is in a no win situation with you people. You don’t like him and never will no matter what he does. Basically you all just want something to complain about.

    Of course we all know….
    John Wilks Booth wasn’t the one killed in the barn.

    FDR knew that Japan was going to bomb Pearl Harbor so he purposly put the Pacific fleet there.

    Kennedy lied about missles in Cuba to boost his aproval ratings.

    Lyndon Johnson had Kennedy shot because he wanted to be President so we could go to war in Vietnam.

    Clinton had people killed in the White House.

    And George W. Bush blew up the World Trade Center.

    Those that want to believe these things will. The rest of us will try our best to live our lives to the fullest.

    • Jovianus

      You left out the Soros conspiracy and that he is taking over the world and all the other gadzillionaires are sitting back letting him to it.

    • Jay

      Amy says: Of course we all know….
      John Wilks Booth wasn’t the one killed in the barn.

      FDR knew that Japan was going to bomb Pearl Harbor so he purposly put the Pacific fleet there.

      Kennedy lied about missles in Cuba to boost his aproval ratings.

      Lyndon Johnson had Kennedy shot because he wanted to be President so we could go to war in Vietnam.

      Clinton had people killed in the White House.

      And George W. Bush blew up the World Trade Center.

      Those that want to believe these things will. The rest of us will try our best to live our lives to the fullest.

      Amy, you finally woke up and saw the light. Good for you, you go girl!!!

  • http://personalliberty.com frank

    putting it simply obama is a pimp and we are his potential customers.

    • Jay

      Frank says: putting it simply obama is a pimp and we are his potential customers.

      Frank, you keep talking like that and we will be his customers. Personally, there’s no reason why we can’t make him our bitch! Stay positive bud!!!

  • http://personalliberty.com frank

    and cum by ya to you mary beth !.

  • nw

    This is not complaining, only coming to grip with reality. We are all like sheep doing as we are told, not questioning, and being led to slaughter. Dependance on this corrupt government and congress to fix all the problems that they created, taking away our freedom. Our constitutional liberties are being stripped from us and this generation feels they are entitled to get the same benefits for not working and paying taxes as those who work and have the burden of supporting the deadbeats. You bet, I enjoy knowing I am taxed so I can support the illegal alien and they can get the education and healthcare that I struggle to get for my family. You bet, I enjoy the degrading TSA and their body searches. You bet, I’m happy with the knowledge that we are just about equal with a third world government and that China owns the US. Obama can not take credit for this, but he is party to it and is committed to fulfill his agenda with full steam ahead with no one to get in the way. I’m not singling out Obama, the whole lot from FDR are sleazy bedfellows. Their only concern is domination and the rest of the world hates the US because of it.

    • Amy Beth

      So exactly what freedoms and liberties have you lost?
      I can agree with you about illegal alliens. It’s a problem that has been ignored for so long that we are now in over our head. At this point it’s hard to do much about the ones that are already here, but not taking the proper steps to stop it is a problem. Democrats don’t want to stop it because they are afraid they will will lose the latino vote. Republicans don’t want to stop it because then they will have nothing to campaign on and their rich friends won’t have slave labor anymore.
      The social plans that FDR and others put into place are good. A government safety net is not a bad idea and it was set up so that we all could bennifit from it. It’s hard for us today to imagine what the depression must have been like. 25% unemployment and no assistance from anyone. The plans were put in place so that people wouldn’t be out on the streets if they do become unemployed. ever see the photos of the Hoovervilles? It’s hard to beleive those photos were actually taken in America.Do you really want things like that to happen again in America? Some in government that want to do away with Medicare and Social Security seem to want it.

      http://www.glogster.com/glog.php?glog_id=6314835&scale=54&isprofile=true

      But as usual there are those that learn how to cheat the system and take advantage of government programs. That what needs fixed, not the basic program.

      So why does China own the US? That you can blame mostly on President Bush. After 9/11 he should have gone after, and killed Bin Laden. Send a message to the middle East that the US will not stand for being bullied. But instead He, Cheney, and Rumsfeld wanted nothing more than to go to war in Iraq. Which had nothing to do with 9/11. He also created the Homeland Security Adminastration and increased the size of Government by like at least 600,000 people. That is where a lot of the money went. Why not just get them all to work together?
      So now how do you fix it? We got Bin Laden, lets get out of the middle east. If we are going to drill for oil here in this country lets keep all that we pump. It’s ours why do we have to sell it on the world market? Pump as much as we can and buy the reast from somewhere else until we find something else to use. Why do we give oil companies billions in tax dollars? We pay twice for the same gallon of oil. Why do we give money to other countries like Pahkistan? If they need money let them get it from China. We barrow from China then give it away. What?
      If you really want to start fixing problems, stop being partisin and start electing new people. These guys like John Boner, and John McCain that have been in office for years and years need to go. Congress doesn’t need term limits, people need to learn to change them out. They are corrupt and only care about getting reelected. Once they realize that their job is not safe because of the party they belong to then maybe they will start working for the poeple again and not for the corporations with fat wallets.

      It’s OK if you want to gripe, you have that freedom. Have you ever written to congressman and senators?

      • Jovianus

        Chi9na doesn’t ‘own’ the US…we have them by the testicles and they know it. The TPers make that claim day in and day out not knowing what they are talking about. If they had half a sense of intelligence, they’d know the claim we are “owned” by China to be so much BS it rivals any claim by Time in this forum.

        • Amy Beth

          I typically diagree with the thoughts of a lot of people here. But in the case of China I do agree with them. We have barrowed so much from China that we are in trouble. If China ever says they want their money back we will have to give them Texas. Which is really no big loss. HaHa!

          • Carlucci

            What is your issue with Texas?

          • Jovianus

            Carlucci…nothing wrong with texas except it’s filled with texans…

          • Jovianus

            Amy…here’s the deal with China. They own a ton of our paper. A ton. The basic rule of thumb never to go Bankrupt is to have one or few entities hold so much debt that they cannot afford to let you go under. China simply cannot afford for us to go under. Period. they can’t call the notes due…basically they have tied themselves to us just as they enter the next phase of capitalist growth…a growing middle class, a growing education level of labor, and an aging population requiring massive state monies.

            As that goes on, the Yuan is under pressure to be revauled up, trade pressures growing not only exports…but internal demand for imports.

            China has a mess brewing and it’s going to come due the next 10 years…maybe less.

            China is not our biggest threat. The biggest threat is India. Big Time. Educated workforce highly trained. Large labor pool. Significant natural resources. And not tied to our debt or the dollar.

            China is not the threat to us the wacked Right make it to be…India is the one we should watch out for. But don’t asked a TPer or Wacked Rightist…that’s not able to be used to foment the fear and hate they need to feed on. And it requires depth of thought to figure it out..and their simplistic minds are unable to do such

          • Carlucci

            Jovi – Don’t ever come to Texas. You will surely get your stupid ass kicked at least once.

          • Jay

            Carlucci, a nice thought, but that may never happen. Jovi would first have the monumental task of finding Texas, and that would be like a chimp attempting brain surgery. Sadly, you’ll have to put your steel-toe shoes away for good!

          • Jay

            Amy said: If China ever says they want their money back we will have to give them Texas. Which is really no big loss. HaHa!

            Hmm, It sounds like Amy may be a chinese mole. I suspect she may even look like one, with a hair growing out of it! Yuuk! Nothing laser surgery couldn’t remove, or, to save cost, we could always lance it!

          • Jovianus

            Carlucci…actually I’m in Texas about every two months or so visiting a company facility there. Haven’t yet gotten my butt kiced, and haven’t held back my views when a political discussion takes place after work.

            BTW…as an aside…Texas ain’t muich for many good looking females either…egads …

          • Jay

            Carlucci, I think jovianus is trying to tell us that he’s very good looking and that he’s not lying about the trips he makes to Texas. Since he’s not a birther, or a deather, one has to question his credibility!!!

          • Carlucci

            Jovi has to hit below the belt and throw an insult about Texas women, even though for years Texas has been famous the world over for their number of beautiful women. I guess Jovi thinks the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders are ugly. That leads me to believe that Jovi is either a militant woman hating homo (maybe explaining the “anus” part of his name), or he’s been neutered.

          • Thamera

            Or blind Carlucci…or maybe he (assuming it is a he) prefers the women of the WH? Michelle Obama maybe? Nancy Pelosi? Hillary? hahahahaha

          • JeffH

            Carlucci, jovi-commie must come from a place where “men are men and sheep are nervous”.

          • Carlucci

            LOL – !! Good one!

        • Jay

          Jovianus Says: Chi9na doesn’t ‘own’ the US…we have them by the testicles, and since all testicles pretty much look alike, no one seems to know for sure who’s holding who’s testicles, and they know it, I’m pretty sure. The TPers make that claim, of holding testicles, day in and day out, not knowing who’s testicles are being held, or what they are talking about. If they had half a sense of intelligence, they’d know the claim “Our Testicles are held” by China to be so much BS it rivals any claim by Time in this forum.

      • nw

        AmyBeth,
        I agree with your comments but the freedoms and liberties taken away all for control. Too numerous, big brother has a hand in everything. Why is it necessary to hire 16,000 for IRS watch? They want to monitor if you have health insurance and if not, you are fined. Why expose your body to harmful xray, all for homeland security? Those xrays are very explicit and the perverts and child molesters at TSA are getting their jollies. I can go on but this president does not respect our constitution and looks up to the muslim faith. Social Security was well intended, but once Congress started using the money to pay off the deficit, it’s just a travesty to see where we are headed. China has trillion in treasury notes and all manufacturers have set up shop in China. If that’s not China owning US, I don’t know what is. The small business goes bankrupt but the big corporations with their tax breaks due to lobbying by ex political figures, make out like the bandits that they are. Bailing out those corporations and the politicians that allowed it, what kind of liberty is that? We are taxed so the government can give them more money! We don’t have that freedom. We lose our job, our home is foreclosed on and we don’t get any bailout money. How come it’s okay for the government to spend that which they do not have, but yet if we do it and can’t pay the bill, we get penalized. The government is allowing it’s subserviant class to bow down and not question their authority. I do not call this freedom. I’ve stop being partisan and it’s always the lesser of 2 evils. The populace is so brainwashed and I am in tune with my politicians but unless the masses wake up, it is really hopeless. We have to have a government the way the founding fathers intended it to be and someone who will make that commitment. I am looking at Ron Paul.

      • Thamera

        Amy Beth writes: “The social plans that FDR and others put into place are good. A government safety net is not a bad idea and it was set up so that we all could bennifit from it.”

        Maybe you should chew on this for awhile:

        “I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

        -Benjamin Franklin

        FYI Jovi…that’s one of them pesky TP beliefs that you so love to vilify….

        • Jovianus

          BTW Thamera…I don’t vilify it…I simply point out it’s based on the way things were 230 plus years ago. TPers see this nation as being better off returning to being a backwards agrarian nation 230 years behind the world. I don’t agree with going backwards…TPers relish and scream for it.

          • Thamera

            Really Jovi? Like the quote from Benjamin Franklin? That kind of backwards thinking? LMAO

          • JeffH

            jovi-commie says: “I don’t agree with going backwards” like any good progressive commie would say. If you only had a clue jovi-commie, if you only had a clue!

          • Mick

            Jovianus says:
            May 7, 2011 at 8:36 am
            BTW Thamera…I don’t vilify it…I simply point out it’s based on the way things were 230 plus years ago. TPers see this nation as being better off returning to being a backwards agrarian nation 230 years behind the world. I don’t agree with going backwards…TPers relish and scream for it.
            ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

            Jovianus,,

            We all could benefit a lot by going backward at this point..
            We arrived at being the best in the world by many policies and perseverance doing right instead of wrong,, Many in our previous generations fought for what we had, they believed in integrity, hard work, true respect for their neighbors and were all prepared and ready to fight and defend the rights to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness..
            The progress the Liberals attach so much importance to has destroy each and every qualities our predecessors held dear to create the UNITED STATES, we now have the DIVIDED STATES and it’s all thanks Liberal disdain for the rights of Americans citizens.
            The going forward you’re referring to is killing America and you and the rest of the gang of over zealous boobs don’t have the wit to see that a nation without principals and people willing to enforce those same principles will succumb to the human trash we’re surrounded by today…

          • libertytrain

            interesting.

          • Jay

            Jovianus Says: BTW Thamera…I don’t vilify it…I simply point out it’s based on the way things were 230 plus years ago. TPers see this nation as being better off returning to when things were normal, productive, industrious, when people were patriotic, hard working, believed in God and Family, another words, being a backwards agrarian nation 230 years behind this hopeless spiritually and morally bankrupt world we have today! Well I don’t agree with going backwards and neither does the messiah obama…TPers relish and scream for it. But not me!

          • Kate8

            Jov – What Progressives are doing is NOT going forward, even though, through your limited scope of vision, it appears that way to you. It has actually taken us over our peak of greatness and has set us on the downward spiral toward destruction. These are the very same things that have been tried over and over through history, and have always failed.

            This is why communistic ideas must wait 2 generations to capture the minds of the youth, so they will think these fatal ideas are new.

            This is also why they must rewrite history in such a way that tears down faith in our foundings, so we will not value what our fathers have built.

            Of course, you can’t see this, and it’s not your fault. You are a product of the era, and the result will be ever the same.

  • http://com i41

    Wayne, and Onumnutts was really born in a out house in Kenya, and is a closet muslim faggot that keeps coming out when it is dark. When he was classified as a shehite, and called him just Shitty they figured it was the branch of pervert pedophiles he ID with while at the madrasses. He has already admitted to being a drug dealer and a user of a class one drugs, so there might be more koons in the wood pile of life, beign a pimp of male postitutes would be to far of a possiblity, since he couldn’t find himself for s few years and he had all of his faggot roommates all died in amonth before he announced he was running a a President.

  • Carol

    You can see by the look on his face and his body laugage he had nothing to do with this nothing at all but he gets the credit because he is the “president”.

    • Jay

      Carol said: You can see by the look on his face and his body laugage he had nothing to do with this nothing at all but he gets the credit because he is the “president”.

      Wrong Carol, he got the credit because he’s a self-absorbed and narcissistic schmuck!

  • Antonio

    They don’t want to show the pictures because it might “spike the football” that makes me laugh. They showed the pictures of Escobar and allowed thousands to see his dead body in the coffin. They allowed the whole world to watch Hussien hanged. But we can’t see Osama pictures becuase well it might “spike a football” jajaja thats the funnist shit i have ever heard. Hell the man is probably still alive he used to work for the CIA (Criminals In Action). Probably still does they are just putting on a good show for you. And besides what happened on that day (9/11) was an inside job so i dont really give a rats ass about ol’bin.

  • Alex

    If any of you people were REALLY concerned with terrorism, you would insist that Eric Prince and his entire Blackwater/Xe rape/murder crew be handed over to Guantanamo Bay.

    Crybaby whining Reich Wing hypocrites.

    • Carlucci

      Go suck an egg, Alex. You are a moron.

      • Jay

        Carlucci, Alex unintentionally goofed up, he didn’t mean Eric Prince, he meant to say Bill Gates!

    • Jay

      Alex, if we were really serious about ending terrorism, we would have tossed both OBL and BHO overboard!

    • JeffH

      baaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, baaaaaaaahhhhhhhh, baaaaaahhhhhh!

  • http://GBVieto@hotmail.com George B Vieto

    Of course President Obama will not release the photos of the death of OBL. That would be telling the truth and he can’t do that or he will lose his heel rating.

    • Raggs

      The title “president” does not fit… Pick up the pieces and try again.

  • Raggs

    I’m not that interested in seeing bin ladens death photo, however I cant’ wait to get a photo of obama expression in 12 when is loses his ass during the election… :)

  • chuckb

    where was all this so called bravado in afghanistan, egypt, iran and now lbya, maybe he’s still praying on his rug, it took 16 hours of praying to the moon god in order to do in bin.

    like i said before, barry has made the biggest mistake by not bringing the sand %^&&* out alive. that move was a good one for us, if he had brought bennie out alive he could have strung the trial out till next election year and all the loonie left would still be wetting their pants. good move barry, you just destroyed all the evidence and lost a lot of votes.

    the bolsheviks will probably bring out the photos next year trying to keep his loonies in line for the election. the one thing he forgot is how short a memory most liberals have. bin laden who?

  • Julian

    I don’t know if Ben Laden is dead or not or if he died in the raid as they said. To me what is far more important is the fact that this administration has EARNED the distrust of every American. Never in my life and I am old has there been this much skepticism about what comes out of the white house. From fireing IG’s whoo look at Obama’s friends to disasters that crop up at the most convient times, everyone has reason to question all that comes out of this administration. Do you remember what we were talking about just before this Ben Laden thing? think about it.

  • Carlucci

    Just in case the posters with a brain on this blog missed it, here’s that link again that Kate8 posted earlier. I just viewed it and it is excellent. Must see:

    http://dprogram.net/2011/05/05/paul-craig-roberts-what-is-the-agenda-behind-the-bin-laden-fable/

  • Jay

    This is not about the pictures or OBL’ corpse. This is about Obummer and all the attention he is drawing to himself by waving the stick( picture, proof of OBL’ death, his birth certificate) in the air and saying: “Want the stick, want the stick, who’s a good boy, go get the stick, goood boy! In advertising, there is no such thing as good or bad publicity, its all publicity!!! Don’t believe me? Who’s really been front and centre in the news, OBL or BHO? The people going to the ballot boxes will be well primed!

  • http://com i41

    Carol he was thinking about his first steady goat girl friend in Kenya or was it a trained ape in Indonesia. Onumnutts, Plugs Biden, and his radical group watching a video, of the take down of pedophile worshiping pervert, should make Onumnutts be held as the head monkey when the UN, starts raising hell, about violating binnies rights, we know dumbocraps will throw any military under the wheels if it gets a little warm. hell he did it to his mother and grandmother and his uncle “rev” Wrong, justto mentio a few.

  • Thamera

    Amy asks< "So exactly what freedoms and liberties have you lost?" Good grief where to even begin…how long have you been alive Amy? Maybe we should start from there…SAD, SAD, SAD!

    • Thamera

      Better yet, why don’t all of you who love big government and who seem to require them in your daily lives read the article by Chip Wood about his mother’s escape from communism? The fact that very few of you (Jovi, Doc, etc.) didn’t even bother to read it or comment about his article is very, very telling in and of itself. But then “experience trumps ideology every time” (quote borrowed from that forum) No wonder so many of you remain silent on that one…Doc, Jovi, Alex….just to name a few.

      • Jovianus

        Thamera;

        No reason to comment. Chip’s relatives braved the waters and the land of unknown rather than live under a different dictatorship than the Batista regime. He wrote an eloquent story of his family history.

        My grandparents (mother’s side) were on one of he last boats out of Russia when the Bolsheviks won the Russian Civil War. Most of us have stories like that. Chip is telling his family history …

        Your point is ?

        • Karolyn

          Ditto – It was a very interesting story.

          • Thamera

            As in a fairy tale karolyn, meaning in your mind it can’t and isn’t happening here JOVI??? I doubt you read the story by the way, or are completely clueless to the parallels that his story draws between communism and the socialistic/communistic ideologies of the left! Truly pathetic.

          • Jay

            Thamera, reading comprehension, not exactly jov’s and karolyn’s forte!

          • Karolyn

            Oh, so now you read minds, Thamera? Where did you get the fairytale point from? Boy, you are really grasping at straws. I think even if I came around to your way of thinking, you would still criticize me – just like if Obama did something you would all love to see (whatever that might be), you would still find some fault in it. Fortunately, my grandparents came here before WWI, but they still had to work hard and fight to get where they got. The Cuba story WAS interesting, and his mother sounds like she was a wonderful person. You somehow think that I was intimating something else? I just don’t get it.

          • JeffH

            K, the bottom line is that you just don’t get anything! You just keep trying to convince people that you do, but you’re fooling no one but yourself.

    • Kate8

      Thamera – Many of these liberal posters are too young to know what kind of freedoms we once had, but have lost.

      This is why communsim, or any of the isms, take 2 generations to gain control. They erode liberties a little at a time, and by the time the new generation get old enough to have an opinion, they think being controlled is normal.

      The goal is a population of willing slaves who don’t know they are slaves.

      • Antonio

        hey kate I saw your comment on yesterday’s article i didn’t respond becuase i figured that you wouldn’t check it again. Anyways, to answer your question about my videos. No i am not a professional as in doing that for a job. Video editing and photography are a hobbie of mine as well as weapons. I work as a systems administrator. I am glad that you liked my videos and you are welcome to pass the link to your friends or family. And if you ever have any questions about my videos concerning the mathmatical part of it or anything just ask me. God bless you

        • Kate8

          Antonio – The reason I haven’t studied the longcount is because it seems just too complicated. If I understood the fundamentals, I could figure it out, but so far I haven’t grasped what they are.

          The examples of venus rising you gave yesterday…I don’t understand the principle behind it. ++ and –, and the 0 1 3 and whre you go with it. I’ll have to check out those videos.

          If I can just get the basics I’ll be okay.

          • Antonio

            Yes it can be complicated. i am going to try and help you understand how this works. First just forget the numbers 1 3 0. Lets go back into history for a moment. Back in NIMROD’s kingdom they worshipped venus as “morning star” and “evening star” These are “inferior” and “superior” dates at which venus can be seen and is very special to them. Every other superior and inferior conjuntion dates venus and earth will line-up. During an 8 year period venus and earth will have lined up 5 times. And it is with this adoration of venus that originated the “five pointed star” but it is not a star it is a PENTAGRAM. The “13″ illuminati blood lines began with NIMROD and every since then they have worshipped their god “venus”. And ever since then they have done their deeds in a very timely ordered manner all timed with venus rising dates. So watch this: earth makes 1 complete circule around the sun every year and venus makes 1.625 circules in that same year. so in an 8 year period venus will gone around the sun 13 times mmmm remember the numbers now? 1.625 times 8 = 13000. So now lets look at the confusing numbers. 1.3.0 that is there coding system. The thing with the + and – is just to add or subtract from the date in particular. ok?
            06/11/2000 evening star
            ++/++/++++ used to add their code
            03/00/0001 the numbers 1.3.0 being used
            ========== equals
            09/11/2001 the date of the so called terrorist attack
            understanding this stuff better?

          • Kate8

            Antonio – Yes! Thanks! I’m beginning to understand!

            Don’t forget that God created all of the energies, planets and their cycles, and He set it all up this way. Similar numerical codings are also found throughout Scripture and related writings, such as those of Enoch. The fact that Luciferians have taken these cycles for their own purposes doesn’t mean that they own them. The numbers 3, 13 and 8 have Biblican significance as well, along with 7, 12, 40…

            Yeshua began his full ministry at 30, and left us at 33. These are important numbers to Luciferians, as well. And I thing that they go even further back than Nimrod.

            I don’t think that all the ancients who knew these “mysteries” were evil. I have always felt that if God’s people would reclaim their power, the power that the evil ones have stolen from us through convincing us it is all “forbidden” to us, then we would be unstoppable in turning them back. The idea is that they be used for pure, and not selfish, purposes. Maybe this is the thing humanity is to learn over all of these continuing cycles of civilization…in order to enter the heavenly realms.

            Yeshua, Himself, used parables and allegory to tell us many of the same things in ancient wisdom writings, for those with ears to hear. Some of them are also being proven out through science today.

            The Bible tells us that, during this time, many hidden things will be revealed to us. It’s exciting to see things play out exactly as written.

      • Antonio

        For the ones who want to know what liberties have been lost. Here is a little basic list of a few.
        > the right to own personal property.
        > the right to keep and bear arms.
        > the freedom of speech.
        > the right to privacy
        Those are just a few to give you an idea.
        example.
        > you do not own your property the government does. you dont pay your “property taxes” they take it from you.
        > you dont have the right to keep and bear arms. you have to buy a license and pay annually. Police can take you to jail just for having an ak-47 in your car. and its not just guns either. Knives are illegal too.
        > you cannot say “im going kill you” its against the law. freedom of speech??? you cannot say n-gg-r it is a class b misdamenor and you can do 6 months in jail.
        > you no longer have privacy because they now can listen record your phone conversations, and now strip searchs at airports without even probable cause which is another right you have lost but that goes out of my basic list.
        READ CONSTITUTION AND YE SHALL SEE THE LIBERTIES YE HAVE LOST.

        • Karolyn

          “Police can take you to jail just for having an ak-47 in your car.” JUST for having an ak-47 in your car? What are you, nuts? Like it’s Ok for people to be running around with ak-47s in their cars! And I am not against guns either. I live in gun country and am quite used to it.

          • Thamera

            Karolyn – it is really time to come out of your little bubble. Like Kate8 said the other day your naivete’ is unbecoming of a grown woman.

          • Karolyn

            Thamera – And your self-righteous, holier-than-thou behavior is not attractive in a human being!

          • JeffH

            K, your hypocrisy is also unattractive.

          • Thamera

            now Karolyn, that isn’t very nice…lol

      • American Patriot

        Excellent point Kate!

      • Jovianus

        Yeah…really ! I mean, Bush and the GOP’s main supporters as they ripped our Constitution to shreds throughout the ‘oughts were Liberals !

        I mean…such is obviously a commie plot !

        • Thamera

          Now you aren’t even being coherent Jovi. LOL

          • Carlucci

            That’s because Jovi is a dunce who still cannot comprehend and understand that most of the people on this blog are not RINO Bush supporters. It don’t see that a lot are Tea Partiers, either. It is so obvious, but Jovi still doesn’t get it.

          • Carlucci

            I meant to say “I don’t see that many are Tea Partiers, either” but it came out as “It don’t see, etc.”. Now that I think about it, Jovi is an “it”, so the way I said it the first time still makes sense.

          • Thamera

            LOL Carlucci…I knew what you meant. Yes Jovi likes to paint with a broad hate filled brush.

          • Jovianus

            Carlucci…then it’s just a coincidence that the TPers are being loud and screaming for the past two years…and silent sheep the previous eight. Uh huh ….hokayyyyy….

          • Thamera

            It’s called the “silent majority” Jovi…and where exactly is all of this “screaming” taking place.. Are you sure you aren’t getting confused with the rallies in Wisconsin? LOL

          • Thamera

            Still can’t come up with any of your OWN definitions, eh Jovi?

          • Jovianus

            Thamera…sorry to disappoint you, but unlike you i don’t make things up out of thin air.

          • libertytrain

            Jovi, yes you do —

          • Jay

            Thamera…sorry to disappoint you, but unlike you i don’t make things up out of thin air, If you wanna know the truth, I’m told what to say, so there..ha!

  • John White

    Now you know why USA is hated so much Train and supply weapons to your enemies then they come use them against you go back in history and look. Vietnam, Nicaragua,Iraq, Bin Laden in Afghanistan,Libya then you bomb innocents just as you did in Cambodia, Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan Pakistan then you bulldoze your enemy alive into their trenches as you did in Kuwait but when other countries do this you hold the war leaders as well head of State accountable for crimes against humanity but only the soldier is held accountable in the USA while the people at the top get away scott free.
    USA the land of the free what a joke go against it and you get punished look at mannering and wikileaks that is America,s example of freedom

  • Tim-Gabz

    What the Administration wanted is what the last several feet of comments on this represent – conflict and division, hardening of their base and derision of their opposition.

    One of the oldest arguements against Iraq ever having WMD leading upt to the war has been the portability. Take a look at the South African Nuke and Biochem warfare for a morning and that makes for hard proof. One notes extreem portability and secrecy. So secret that the Biochem only came to light some years after with revelations on the HR commission…. A whole gap in the means of creation of them is still unknown….

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    The absence of GW Bush the other day at Ground Zero has given drones, leftists, the lame stream media, et al, another excuse for Bush-bashing. But, can we really blame Bush for not wanting to be seen with BHO anywhere?? If I were a former POTUS, I wouldn’t want to be near a man who was constantly blaming me for his foolish policies, fiscal follies and failures as the current POTUS!! And even if I knew I had made some mistakes as POTUS, I’d also know that this man compounded my errors, turned them into disasters, and still blames me for his irresponsibility!! Likewise, many people may have enjoyed BHO’s speech the other day. But why won’t he give any credit to Bush, or admit that Bush and Cheney were right?? Were it not for Bush’s policies (which BHO has opposed in the past), bin Laden probably wouldn’t have been located or captured. Remember that it was Bush who kept us safe after 9/11/01. And most likely it was Bush/Cheney’s policies which led to bin Laden’s capture. And now we just learned that the 4/2011 unemployment rate is back up to 9%; higher than it was at any point during Bush’s 8 years.

  • jopa

    Earl The Queen of NY:It was because of Bush sleeping on the job that led to 911 when he had all the intel of an impending attack by Al Qaida with the use of airplanes.He chose to ignore these facts and here we are today.The waterboarding took place years ago and did not produce any useful info in the capture of Bin Laden but may have actually made it possible for many more years of him being alive.The ones being tortured were just feeding the interrogators what they wanted to hear and was of no value other than to fill out a report that they were doing their job.Obama’s administration had this compound under surveillance since last August and finally made one of the gutsiest calls in American history and took out Usama Bin Laden.

    • Thamera

      Jopa: you are so keen on blaming Bush, what role did Clinton have in all of this when he wasn’t playing around with his interns that is… Perhaps you could elaborate? Oh and good to know that you were in the same room when those interrogations were taking place…amazing how you “know” exactly what happened there. Or am I wrong about that?

      • Jovianus

        Thamera…can’t you get anything correct? Clinton did not play around with interns. An Intern played with him. perhaps the record of the Bush/Cheney cabal wouldn’t be so atrocious had they had an intern playing the same role during their regime.

        I know…I know…you’re going to rant about Clinton having had X times bin Laden could have been captured but was waived ion by…such are false, proven false, yet the Big Lie is believed to this day by the foolish and ignorant.

        Let’s se….went after him in the Sudan and wasted a WMD factory as well. The GOp and wacked right sreamed it was an “aspirin factory”. Tossed cruise missles at him and missed him by mere minutes. The GOP yelled it was “Wag the Dog” and killing camels for nothing. Then we get back to the Sudenese and this mysterious offer which they never made but is believe by the fanatic right to have been made. Let’s see…the Sudanese, you know..those that had the WMD factory, who had training camps for terrorists all over the place, who were in the beginning of wiping out the southern tribes, led by a fanatical dicotrship? Yeah…to you they were the good guys who offered bin Laden to the US.

        Uh huh … like that was a real offer. Jeesh ….what has you believing it as a honest solid offer?

        Ah yes, Clinton…who specifically told Bush that bin Laden was the most dangerous threat to the US. Which Bush listened so well to…he did nothing .. wait, he did do something. He resumed aid to the taliban three months into taking office, aid which Clitnon had cut off three years earlier because the Taliban were harboring bin Laden and other terrorists.

        But anyhows Thamera…tell us about Clinton’s role…this should be entertaining…especially if you throw some government lessons in there

        • Thamera

          Jovi writes: “Thamera…can’t you get anything correct? Clinton did not play around with interns. An Intern played with him.”

          LMAO! That comment alone is enough to discredit anything else you have to say, EVER! Now you are implying that Clinton was what, a victim to his Ms. Lewinsky? good gawd. Why don’t you answer any of the questions that I have posed Jovi? Answer: because you can’t. As for Clinton, I have zero respect for the clown and so did many other people at the time…he was laughable in every corner of the world and I would know. Now, I see why it took so long for you to post something…had to get info from google didn’t you. Again, you should really cite the sources instead of continually plagiarizing. At this point, it is more than obvious that you are incapable of critical thought.

          Every point that you list can be refuted and I do not care to spend anymore time on the computer. I have a life and that time can be better spent elsewhere. Perhaps another day when you decide what it means to be a patriot or a statesmen then we can have a discussion. Here’s a hint for you….Clinton was not a statesman and neither is Obama…and clearly neither are you. Oh, and did I ever say I agreed with Bush? Nope. My point to Jopa being there is plenty of blame to go around.

          • Jovianus

            Plaerizing? LOl uh huh..sure thing there Thamera.

            LOL …

            Ah well…nice excuse for not having to refute the facts.

          • Carlucci

            Boo hoo -! Boo hoo-! Poor wittle biwwy bob bubba cwinton was “sexually harrassed” by Monica Lewinski???? You must be joking, Jovi. It takes two to tango. That was obviously a consensual relationship, and poor Monica was in love with slick willie. But of course, he was just using her because he is married to dyke Hillary who wouldn’t give him the time of day, much less let him into her bedroom.

            What about all of those sexual harassment charges against him from women like Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Wiley, etc.?

          • Carlucci

            Thamera, doesn’t Jovi remind you of the zombie in “Interview with a Zombie”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcM5exDxcc

          • Thamera

            Carlucci great link thank you. I’m sure Jovi’s response would be something like the following, he/she is after all a “scholar” of “legal realism” (as is our president)…Jovi writes: “legal realism,”. It relies uon changing societal mores and beliefs and on judges’ personal predispositions, beliefs and prejudices to adapt legal decisions instead of cementing the past into a fixed, immovable wall” The keywords being of course relying on judges “personal predispositions, beliefs and prejudices” not to forget moral relativism. Wow. That should be alarming to everyone, but not a zombie. LOL

            Oh, and Jovi….the word is plagiarism…

    • Jay

      Jopa says: Earl The Queen of NY: It was because of Bush sleeping on the job that led to 911 when he had all the intel of an impending attack by Al Qaida with the use of airplanes, and trust me, I know this for sure because I just happen to have a direct line into the CIA and Al Qaida, but you didn’t hear it from, shhh. He chose to ignore these facts and here we are today wondering if my idiotic and moronic speculations are correct! The waterboarding took place years ago, and by the way, I’ve done extensive surfing and water boarding of the coast of LA, and did not produce any useful info in the capture of Bin Laden, thats because they said he couldn’t swim and had a fear of drowning, but may have actually made it possible for many more years of him being alive, thank goodness.The ones being tortured were just feeding the interrogators what they wanted to hear and was of no value other than to fill out a report that they were doing their job. How do I know this? Because I heard it from a friend who’s sister went out on a date once with the guy who wrote the article. Obama’s administration had this compound under surveillance since last August, and keep in mind, I’m part of Obama’s administration and I would check in from time to time just to stay current, and finally made one of the gutsiest calls in American history and took out Usama Bin Laden for dinner.

  • Karolyn

    I amazes me how people feed off each other on this blog. People that used to be civil are turning into kindergartners!

    • Thamera

      Oh thank you madame forum board censor patrol karolyn

    • Carlucci

      What in the world does that mean?

      • Carlucci

        I was talking to karolyn

      • Karolyn

        Carlucci – It just means that in the year I’ve been here, I’ve seen people that were once pretty respectful and civilized turn into childlren fighting in the schoolyard. It is very sad, and I find it hard to believe that intelligent people would act that way. Is it just because it’s online, or would it be the same way in a face-to-face discussion?

        • Thamera

          forgive me if your are not the same Karolyn as the small ‘k’ Karolyn. It is hard to tell however, because you sound so much alike. But to answer your question, of course, the discourse on a forum where you are anonymous is going to be different than a discussion face to face. At least for me anyway. I actually quite like everyone on this board even when I don’t agree with them. I appreciate the opportunity to hear from different perspectives and I enjoy this forum because it gives me a chance to vent! What other venue can you express yourself the way that you want to? For example, every single person I work with is of the liberal persuasion and yet we are all still friends…just sayn.

          • JeffH

            Thamera, correctomundo! Have you ever tried to blog on a liberal website? This website is the exception to blogsites and entirely free from the rules used on liberal websites. I tried several years ago to blog on a couple of liberal bent websites and was kicked out of both of them. The only difference between my comments and others was my political bent. I used the same methods, attacks and language as those responding yet I was the one that was censored and had my account suspended. PLD extends a lot of leeway on here and censors only the foulest comments. That is what this conservative sites does, unlike the liberal sites I’ve experienced..

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – you already know that that is why I like it here. Because we actually have Personal Liberty. I love it when the libs on here say – “it’s not true” that conservatives can’t really post on “their” sites – how would they know?

          • Karolyn

            Yes, Thamera, one and the same. I really have a hard time with such negative language. I indulged in it in my 20s and 30s, and I lived with it for 15 years and have chosen not to anymore. It is the kind of talk I have come to expect from ignorant people, and I know that the majority of you are not ignorant. It just sounds like a bunch of high school kids. Hey, I really don’t give a crap what you say; I know me (sticks and stones…). Just pointing out how uncivilized it is. And don’t think I’m pointing to just the conservatives. Why I even answer or post at all? I guess it’s just my altruistic nature trying to make a point. Maybe I just like to entertain all of you conservatives. :-)

    • Jay

      Karolyn says:It delights me to see how people feed off each other on this blog, I’m really enjoying it. People that used to be civil are turning into kindergarteners! Well, may work here is done!

      • Karolyn

        No, Jay, it makes me very sad.

        • Jay

          Really?

  • jopa

    Thamera and Carlucci: Now how do the two of you become such Experts on Billy and and Monica.Were there four people in the room now.How was it?

    • Thamera

      LOL Jopa are you really saying that Lewinsky victimized Clinton? I thought you were smarter than that, or at the very least much more considerate of women….

    • Carlucci

      jopa – I don’t recall either Thamera or myself saying we were “experts” on Billy Bob & Monica. After the story broke, it was only all over the news for months when Clinton was prez. And then there were those pesky impeachment hearings. Where were you when all of this was happening – hiding under a rock? Tons of articles were written about it with all of the gory details. Monica told Baba Wawa on national television that she was in love with Bill Clinton in an interview. If you saw footage of “Miss Lewinsky” when she showed up at his public appearances, it was so obvious she was in love with him by the adoring expression on her face. Women can recognize stuff like that, while men are completely oblivious to it.

      And then you have to resort to making a weird nasty comment about “four people in the room”. The next time you pick your nose, be careful – your head might cave in.

    • Jay

      jopa says: Thamera and Carlucci: Now how did WE become such Experts on Billy and Monica. Were there FIVE people in the room. How was it? I know its an idiotic question, but that’s just me, and, as the song goes: “I gota be me what else can I be” la la la la…

      • Thamera

        Jay: Who knows how many people were in that room? haha lol

  • Antonio

    Karolyn says:

    May 7, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    “Police can take you to jail just for having an ak-47 in your car.” JUST for having an ak-47 in your car? What are you, nuts? Like it’s Ok for people to be running around with ak-47s in their cars! And I am not against guns either. I live in gun country and am quite used to it.
    ——————————————————————
    kAROLYN
    The point i was making is that you no longer have the right to BEAR arms. Try forgetting about the “ak-47″ that was just an example. I should have known that there was going to be someone not educated enough to know what an example was, so sorry for confusing the little pea brain. Lets use the famous term “assult weapon” although you can buy one you can not bear one (carry it) in other words in case you dont know what bear means. If i or anybody else wanted to go to the gun range and shoot their “assult weapon” they are at risk of going to jail for having an “assult weapon” in their car. Are you getting the picture?? Now since you live in “gun country” i assume that you know the difference between an “assult weapon” and a “sporting weapon”. Do you? I doubt it, so i will teach you something else today. An “assult weapon” is a full style military combat weapon with a selector switch. A “sporting weapon” is a civilian version of the militaries combat version(without) the selector switch.
    military M-16 or civilian AR-15
    military MP5 or civilian HK-94
    military uzi smg or civilian uzi
    I hope that you have learned something today if not there aint no hope for you.
    BTW i am not nuts but i do like to eat them because they are very healthy you should try some cause they enrich the brain and well i think you need some enrichment.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Who among us has not wished to own an Easyrider Rifle Rack(with room for not 1,but 3 of your favorite rifles.)?Point is,if we are law abiding citizens,we ought to be able to have whatever we want in our vehicles.Not everyone can afford their own security team.Why carry a gun?Because a whole cop would be too heavy.The only reason our prisons dont have more convicts who use guns is because,thankfully,they seem to do a good job of weeding each other out.Why is it that I as a law abiding citizen am punished for what some stupid lunatic does?Some guy named Patrick Purdy goes apemess in a schoolyard with an”assault rifle”and I as the law abiding citizen now cannot own such a weapon.That is too much.If they would have taken that guy and fed him pieces of himself until he died,maybe somebody out there might be scared to commit an atrocity like that.But they put them(murderers)in a country club environment and give them 3 hots and a cot instead.I ask this question….where is the justice in that?Of course I know that some of these lunatics are willing to die,and do. After they shoot others,they cowardly take their own lives.That kind of thing is going to happen no matter what the gun laws are.Making it harder for the law abiding citizen to obtain and own the firearm of his choice,will not keep the lunatics at bay.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.The whole pretext and premise of that argument by gun control idiots is nearly as lunatic as the guy who commits an atrocity.Let atrocious behavior be met with atrocious behavior,and make the person who is caught after having committed an atrocity,run a gauntlet or something.But dont punish everyone for the lunacy of a few.

  • James

    When your government does things that the vast majority of people did not want, that’s a sure sign it has an agenda of its own. Foreign aid, even to Pakistan, increases every year, when Americans have always been overwhelmingly against it. Americans opposed wars in the Middle East, they elected Obama because he promised to get us out of there. Our mindless Israel-first policy, there, is against our basic theme: Trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none.

  • jopa

    Thamera; In a post above you had asked if I was in the room when the interrogation were taking place and if that was my source of information.That is what prompted me to ask if you were in the room when Monica was displaying her affection for a previous president.It appears you nor I were in the rooms and we both have the same sources of information to draw our opinions on..My post should have said which way was it and not how was it.

    • Thamera

      I know Jopa…I saw that one coming :D With daughters of your own I think that if one of them had been taken advantage of like Lewinsky I’m pretty sure I know who you would be going after…Have a good one! :D

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Give it a rest.

    The “birther/deather/911 conspiracy” theorists will never believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead regardless of any pictures that may be released. They still don’t believe President Obama is an American-born citizen regardless of his birth certificate. They are convinced that the 911 attack was staged by the Bush administration in order to give cover for the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion. They are equally convinced that the demise of Bin Laden was staged by the Obama administration in order to give cover for the exit of American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing in the world is what it seems to be as far as these people are concerned.1

    • JeffH

      I knew you weren’t capable of posting a clean and clear comment!

      mrhistory: — May 4, 20118:44 a.m.

      The “birther/deather/911 conspiracy” theorists will never believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead regardless of any pictures that may be released. They still don’t believe President Obama is an American-born citizen regardless of his birth certificate. They are convinced that the 911 attack was staged by the Bush administration in order to give cover for the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion. They are equally convinced that the demise of Bin Laden was staged by the Obama administration in order to give cover for the exit of American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing in the world is what it seems to be as far as these people are concerned.

      “My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts”

      Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/showing-pictures-dead-bin-laden-mistake/#ixzz1LmpvFTKR

      • Antonio

        interesting article jeje. It’s obvious our boy coal miner is a professional copier and paster jeje. Way to go JeffH you rock!!!

        • JeffH

          Antonio,how have you been doing. I do make a trip to your website every now and again.

        • Thamera

          hmmm kinda reminds me of another poster named Jovianus….copy, click and paste LOL

      • Jay

        Jeffh, double thumbs up, GOOD CATCH!!!

        • JeffH

          Jay, I’m enjoying the style of your posts. Very good!

          • Jay

            Thanks Jeff, and right back at ya bud!

    • Jay

      coal miner says: Give it a rest and stop asking for the truth.

      The “birther/deather/911 conspiracy” theorists will never believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead regardless of any pictures that may be released, and thankfully will not be released, otherwise my assumption and speculation would hold no water . They still don’t believe President Obama is an American-born citizen despite the doctored and photoshoped birth certificate. They are convinced that the 911 attack was staged by the Bush administration, which we liberals previously believed but now that Obama is the president we no longer do, in order to give cover for the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion. They are equally convinced, that the demise of Bin Laden was staged by the Obama administration in order to give cover for the exit of American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing in the Obama administration is what it seems to be as far as these people, truth seekers, are concerned. It boggles the mind!

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    JeffH,

    Hey stupid who do you think mrhistory is? I blog on three different sites.I am getting ready to blog the Manchester Enterprise in Manchester, Kentucky,using the same name.7

    • JeffH

      stupid? Excuse my skepticism, but you’ve never been this articulate in the past. How many coal miner’s does it take to blog?

    • JeffH

      I uess what you are trying to say here is that you aren’t as “dumb” as you make yourself out to be?

      • Jay

        JeffH, coal miner is full of CRAP!

    • Jay

      coal miner says:JeffH,

      Hey stupid who do you think mrhistory is? I plagiarize, I mean blog, by copying and pasting other people’s more intelligent thoughts then I could possibly come up with on three different sites. I am getting ready to plagiarize, I mean blog, by copying and pasting other people’s more intelligent thoughts then mine on the Manchester Enterprise in Manchester, Kentucky, using the same name.7 BTW,I also happen to have a bridge for sale…

      • Thamera

        hahahahaha LOL Jay…Do you suppose Coal Miner is also Jovi…at least where plagiarism is concerned? My next question for the illustrious coal miner would be: Who in hades has time to blog on 3 different sites? Do you ever do anything else, like um go outside???

        • JeffH

          Thamera, you guys & gals are killin’ me with laughter. Luv it.

          • Thamera

            :D

        • Jay

          Thamera says: hahahahaha LOL Jay…Do you suppose Coal Miner is also Jovi…at least where plagiarism is concerned? Well, if they are not one and the same it may be reasonable to assume they could be related. My next question for the illustrious coal miner would be: Who in hades has time to blog on 3 different sites? Do you ever do anything else, like um go outside??? Good question!!! Actually, that would be 4 sites, including this one. LOL!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Jay,

        More intelligent than me,not I.Bad English.

        • Jay

          Whoop dee doo..

        • Jay

          coal miner says: Jay, More intelligent than me,not I. Bad English. Clever coal, but you did not include the entire sentence!!!

          Jays original sentence and in context: by copying and pasting other people’s more intelligent thoughts then I could possibly come up with on three different sites.

          Coal’s revised version: by copying and pasting other people’s more intelligent thoughts then ME could possibly come up with on three different sites. So coal, you’re saying this one is the correct wording.

          Coal, you sneaky serpent. But you do that all the time, don’t you?

          • JeffH

            Jay, I’m still LMAO!

            By he way, did you notice that “old king” coal miner blogs on other websites? One of them is “The Joy of Satan”…that little devil…born on a mountain, raised in a cave, the “Joy of Satan” is all that old devil craves…

  • chuckb

    thamera, i don’t think this so called coal miner aver saw the inside of a coal mine, the original coal miner did.

    • JeffH

      …lol…:)

      • JeffH

        oops! meant :)

  • jopa

    Now Now folks lets be nice to each other and share in the victory of Obamas Raiders.This has been such a great week we should not be teasing each other but rejoice together when we have scored such a militaristic victory like no man has ever seen against the war on terror.We should all hold hands and call out Hip Hip Hooray Obama all the way.Not only the passing of Bin Laden but the documentation to put a stranglehold on AL qaeda is a super bonus.Did any of you happen to see Bin Laden’s last text message.”BRB someones at the door”.

    • Cawmun Cents

      What about the killing of a more dangerous man than Osama Bin Laden?Abu Musab Al Zarkawi,was killed by a missile strike.He sawed(when I say sawed it means I watched the video footage)the head off of Nick Berg,and let me tell you that it was gruesome to say the least.Have you ever watched a butcher ply his trade?Anyone who backs these lunatics should be forced to watch Nick Berg get his head sawed off.The thing about the Zarkawi killing is that photos were taken and published.This was of course during the previous administration,so take from that what you will.As far as I am concerned,a man who will actually saw the head off of another person on video is more dangerous to America,than some guy with kidney failure,living out his last days in Pakistan.However the credit was given to the military by our former president.He did not try to use it as a political crutch,with which to haul himself out of a point slide in the polls.That goes to show the character of the individuals involved.Character is something that is molded over years of being a decent human being.Integrity is something which is a part of the fiber of a person. Though I do not dislike POTUS,his integrity and character are suspect.Because I know that a man of integrity would never take cerdit for what his troops do even if it raises his points in the polls.And a man of character would show the pertinent evidence,and not make up lame excuses why he cannot.

  • Antonio

    Hey JEFFH I have been doing OK could be better. How about yourself? I hope all is well and that you have a good day with your lady and family for Mother’s day and that goes for everybody here even the copy pasters lol HAVE A HAPPY MOTHERS DAY
    BTW on my site i have 14 videos titled “THE 2012 NWO AGENDA” have you seen all 14 parts? The other videos are not mine just ones that i add to my favorites. Do you like my vids?

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Jeffh,

    stupid? Excuse my skepticism, but you’ve never been this articulate in the past. How many coal miner’s does it take to blog?
    You mean how many coalminers not coal miner’s.
    You can’t tell a plural from a possessive and you are calling me stupid.I also blog on the Joy of Satan website,using mrhistory.Here are some of the blogs names I use on different sites. I never blog on these sites using the same name;its too dangerous.

    Coal Miner: (liberty website,Versailles Tribune,Osgood forward and other sites that is connected to coal mines and factory blogs)

    mrhistory: (Manchester Enterprise Blog,Joy of Satan Blog, Sometimes Jack Cafferty files. Iww blog and host of others)

    Dr.John Hoarse Burlson(pen name) A science fiction blog connected to Science Daily.BTW
    its just a pen name,I hold no degree.I am uneducated,not a scholar.Remember the Unicorn, Jeff?You dif plagiarized that.6

    • Jay

      Let it go coal, we really don’t give a hoot! The more time you spend elsewhere the less time you spend here. We’re ok with that!

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      I meant did.1

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    did that one.

  • jopa

    Antonio:Being that it is Mothers Day I feel I should inform you that JeffH is the Mother of all copy pasters on this blog and there is no lady in his life.

    • JeffH

      jopa says: I know all there is to know about everyone…so there!

      Let’s see, hmmm, aren’t you the one that “knows” Clinton was “forced” to have sex by that woman(Lewinsky)too?

      What does a ” no lady in my life” have to do with anything other than it being a way to show how ungenerous, uncharitable, harsh, mean, unkind, cruel, uncaring, spiteful, nasty, heartless and malicious a liberal hack you can be?

      ROFLMAO at you two old coots!

  • Kate8

    I got this email today, and I was shocked.

    I wish I could have included the photos. They do show that there are NO US flags, and it’s all middle eastern decor.
    ————————–

    If this _ is not gone election day, we’ll be gone in 4 more years!!!!!!
    This is part of the ‘change’ we were promised. But nobody will question him in fear of being called a racist. What an embarrassment.
    For a long time, we have noticed that the decor at the White House has changed since Barack H. Obama moved in.

    The Oval Office is now completely stripped of the traditional red, white, and blue, and it has been replaced with middle eastern wallpaper, drapes, and decor.

    The hallway that he walks out of to talk to the press now has middle eastern chairs, drapes, etc. And the thing that has bothered me the most is the bright yellow drape behind him every time he speaks from the white house. It has Arabic symbols woven into the fabric and it has been there from the beginning.
    Today I received this and it clearly shows what I have been noticing.
    That bright yellow Arabic-like curtain is highly visible, but as you scroll down to the other photos, you will see what is predominantly absent. Also, as you look at the pictures of other presidents speaking from the same spot, look at the traditional ‘American’ background and decor as opposed to the new decor. Trust me when I say that this is intentional. It should alarm every American.

    • churchmice

      I remembered all the hoopla about his new decor and the American decorator so I just had to look it up and see what it is all about – It’s still got an American flair to it unless these are phony pics which I suppose is possible? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/garden/02oval.html

  • Kate8

    Have any of you seen this urgent message from OathKeepers?

    https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html

    • JeffH

      Kate8, thank you. I fully intend to focus a lot of my support to the Oath Keepers and I do think others that are truly concerned about saving our country should be encouraged to do the same.
      http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

    • Antonio

      Hey KATE8 please send me the e-mail you were talking about. icu_2_cop@ hotmail.com

  • Thamera

    I felt impressed to leave with the following from the Declaration of Independence:

    In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

    We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

    — John Hancock

    My favorite part probably being the very last sentence…Patriots & statesmen.

    Good Night :)

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2011/05/08/AFl1bwSG_story.html

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