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Obama Proposes Wage Freeze For Federal Staff

December 1, 2010 by  

Obama Proposes Wage Freeze For Federal StaffIn an attempt to reduce the national deficit, President Barack Obama has called for a two-year freeze of Federal employee wages.

According to media reports, the Obama administration estimates that the freeze will save $2 billion for the remainder of fiscal year 2011 and approximately $28 billion over the next five years. The proposal, which needs congressional approval, would save roughly $60 billion over 10 years.

Although the savings would not provide a large dent in the overall deficit, which is expected to exceed $9 trillion over the next decade, politicians and economists believe it would be a symbolic first step toward greater fiscal discipline.

"The hard truth is that getting this deficit under control is going to require some broad sacrifice," Obama said, quoted by CNN. "And that sacrifice must be shared by the employees of the Federal government."

The freeze, however, does not apply to military personnel. According to the news provider, Representative Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) criticized that exemption, saying that the freeze should apply to members of the military, except for those actively serving in combat.

According to Time magazine, GOP leaders have publicly praised the President for the two-year freeze proposal. Representative Eric Cantor (R-Va.), who will serve as the Majority Leader in the House of Representatives beginning in January, said he was pleased "that President Obama appears ready to join our efforts."

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  • http://none Mike

    Wow lets pi$$ on a forest fire and praise this guy for this? The behind the article numbers of 9 trillion is astounding. Can you even wrap your minds around that kind of number? This might be a start but I think its more a P.R move than any real effort to lower the debt. Yet hes got republicans allready eating out of his hand while he prepars to stab them in the back. My question to him would have been ok but whats next? Never trust a coliation with these guys somehow I feel the screws starting to tighten allready. If the republicrats bail on us this time 2012 will be a bloodbath. Mike L.

    • Norm

      Mike
      Let’s balance the budget like Reagan and Bush!?
      Oh I almost forgot the enormous deficits.
      If you think the Republicans are going to reduce the deficit then I I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
      Extending the tax cuts to billionaires will really help.

      • http://none Mike

        Norm, No I have an even better idea. Lets just print more money. We can sure spend our way out of debt this way.Lets monkey with intrest rates and borrow some more from china that way we can spend ourselves into oblivion without spending anything but our kids future. And when all this debt is called in we can sell oil rights and maby a few of thoes pesky red states to the Chineese. Of coures if you belive all that I have a nice pice of swampland in Arizona that has your name on it. Mike L.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Mike, I don’t think we can borrow any more from China. China and Russia have walked away from our worthless dollars!!!

      • Martha Blevins

        I think we need to keep Congress from legislation to give themselves a raise as well. Is Obama going to give yet more money to his ultra rich buddies who have benefited from the current crisis?

    • Bus

      particularly when he has a plan to add another 125,000 federal jobs in the next year.

    • SiliconDoc

      Oh it’s PR stunting and ridiculously close to absolutely nothing- but I think there is a sparse and probably less than 1 candlepower hope:
      The “dissed” bureaucracy will go on a revenge seeking rage fest and start whacking away in any or all directions just to “even the score”.
      On the other hand, they might double down and grab for the most spending possibly blowing their department budgets up and gouging for more while adding massive lies and pressure to congress to justify their existence and prepare with a fort knox plan before “more cuts come”.
      Yeah, I actually believe scenario #2 is what will really happen.

    • Sweetie

      I Heard That! :-)

  • Claire

    Expect nothing and ye shall not be disapointed. The Republicans and Democrats both stab each other in the back. They are out for one thing–their own gain. It makes no difference what an administration does, it is never enough and never the correct choices. Their main goal is to make their own party “look good.” Parties be damned. We need statesmen, not false promises from shallow men.

    • http://none Mike

      Claire, Couldent agree more on the statesmen thing.We have all about had enough of cloakroom politics and backroom deals with eachother.This so called republican that is all chirpy over Obama doing this is just another example of you scratc my back Ill scratch yours. I have been thinking of actually changeing my registration for a few years now. If the dealing starts again before 2012 I am going Libratarain this comming election. And maby even throwing my hat in the ring at a local level in 2012 to gain some experiance to move from local to state and finally to national. Hell I might make a better canidate than most of the jokers and crooks we have now.I am just sick to death of all the wool pulling these folks that supposedly represent us now are doing.They tell the camera one thing and when they get to washington they would shake hands with snakes just to be popular with the wolves.Its become a dog and pony show put on for the american people.And all the while NOTHING is accomplished. Mike L.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Mike,
        I might have been a little more impressed if he had said he was going to freeze wages AND cut out 10% from all government budgets!!!

        • Vigilant

          Under Obama, the Number of Federal workers earning Over $150,000 has doubled. Freezing government salaries at their all time high doesn’t do much good.

          We need to reduce both the numbers AND the compensation of these workers. According to http://www.numberof.net/number-of-federal-employees-2/ , “There [were] 2,748,978 civilian federal employees in the United States as of January 2009…97.6% of civilian federal employees work in the executive branch of government.”

          Also, “Federal workers make twice as much as workers in the private sector. While the rest of the nation suffered through Obama’s first year in office, government workers increased their salaries by over $30,000 in 2009.”

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Vigilant,

            Not to disagree with the info you posted, but rather to point out something that seems important to consider at least to me (but then again…I’m a Fed employee)… is that there seems to be a vast amount of information that may or may not be validated. To be honest, I even wonder about the info found on government websites…so I’m not saying your info is wrong at all.

            Please consider however, that when these averages are reflected…I can tell you from personal experience, as long as I’ve been affiliated with Federal Service…I’ve only known a handful of employees who made a 6-figure (or higher) income…most were medical physican specialist (oncology, radiology, etc…and very senior ranking directors of other type programs within the organizations I’ve worked in).

            My only concern about this is, the way the info is presented gives people the overall perception that $100K+ jobs are the “norm” for federal employees. I’m erring on the side of caution, because I’ll be the first to admit…I can be wrong, but seriously…I’d like to know what cave all these high payed folks are working in, because it just is not average in my experience. I’ve mentioned previously that it has taken me over 26 years to finally break the $50K mark and yes I do get healthcare coverage (I do pay my portion of that coverage…it’s not totally free as some might think). There are plenty of folks who make less than me and plenty I’m sure who make more than me. My point is, it’s hard to know who’s numbers are more accurate (private sector’s research and posting of federal salaries or the government’s research and posting of federal salaries…such as they both seem to be).

            Anyway, I have no idea about the website source you posted (possibly very well researched data or possibly not)…but in fairness, the government’s research and disclosure is always in question…so I guess I’m just trying to make a point that we do not all make the kind of money some media and/or internet sites are claiming.

            I’ve also included a link from FedSmith that contains a good article (IMO) that addresses possible reasons for differences in the data collected (depending on whom is doing the data collecting…lol).

            This particular link’s info is related to 2006 or 2007 data I believe, but again I’m only including because of the read about how and whether collected data can be trusted. Hope this makes sense; here’s the link (maybe it’ll make more sense on the link than in my explanation).

            http://www.fedsmith.com/article/1325/average-federal-employee-compensation-2006-111180.html

        • s c

          Joe H, Mr. Obama was and still remains CLUELESS. His solution amounts to putting an extremely small patch on a huge dam that is breaking apart. Obama’s problem-solving record is like a chapter from Alice in Wonderland. Frankly, I wouldn’t trust Obama to balance a checkbook with a team of CPAs, assuming that he ever learned how or saw it as something necessary.

    • Sweetie

      I Love It! :-)

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    It may just be a mere drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a start. We will just need to keep their feet to the fire and make sure it doesn’t start and stop there. As I always tell my kids when they are disappointed and thinking they should have gotten something more than they got…. “It’s better than a sharp stick in the eye.”

    • Claire

      robin–And I agree with your comments. It is a start.

  • Dad

    The Three R’s Plan:
    * roll-back the 10% raise that the government eml;oyees just received
    * reduce the number of government employees by at least 30%
    * reassign the TSA agents to the Mexican border so they can “pat down” the cartels

    If they go on strike, I am sure that there are plenty of people that would take their place.

    • http://Yahoo Margaret

      If federal workers don’t receive a raise,then our elected officals shouldn’t get a raise either. After reading the local paper today,(12-1,) our elected officals will still get their raise. o

      • Hudmar

        That should have been the first installment for our Country. Freeze Congress little eggnest, they should not even be voting themselves pay raises, that should be approved by the people since they haven’t earned what they get for representing the People.

        • Bus

          They don’t vote themselves payraises. They have rigged the system so that it just happens automatically so that they are never seen voting on something so offensive.

          • independant thinker

            you are correct they have to vote to not receive the pay raise othersise it is automatic like you say.

      • Eddie

        You know it is something when we are employed that we can’t vote for our raise in pay. But when it comes to Fed. Government they can vote for there raises go figure it.

        When it comes to the Social Security recipients and Veterans they get left out. It is those that need it most, because of the cost of living. What these people get isn’t enough to help pay utility and medical supply’s and medications that come with age and other things that are essentially to life.

        They need to cut their own pay by 50% they do not need this much to do what is essentialy a public service and they are to represent the people, not their own pockets or agendas.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Eddie,

          Good grief….please get it right! I understand your frustration, truly I do…I’m a Vet also…but here’s the deal….federal employees do NOT VOTE their own pay raises……..Congress does…but we’ve never been able to cast a vote to give ourselves pay raises. And…in my way of thinking Congress should not have that right either.

          • s c

            Fed Up Gal in NM, it is so refreshing to find someone who has common sense. Sadly, common sense is not to be found in Congress or the White House. Shortly, America will learn that Ben (aka the Boob) Bernanke has less common sense than the last Fed Head.
            America would get better results if every member of Congress started at minimum wage. But then, common sense has been forbidden in Washington for over 100 years, and it has taken this long for the American people to understand what is so wrong in the asylum known as Washington, DC.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            sc,

            Thank you! Yes, common sense is missing and has been missing for a long time. I’ve tried to be reasonable in my thought process, even to the point of repeatedly asking myself…why on earth would anyone want to be a politician these days? While I would like to believe there are those out there who are there for the right reasons…it’s getting harder and harder to believe.

            Personally, I don’t think any elected position should be able to draw a retirement for life. I know some will disagree with my thought, but when it comes to elected positions…there should be a term limit (2, 3 at the most) seems reasonable to me. It would also save on the cost of body-guard protection costs (covered by tax payers) to protect those in the Congress or Senate…since by the time they leave…most will have forgotten too many of their dirty deeds to be of any real threat…after all, the focus would then need to be on those “in” the elected position at the time.

            Hmmmmmmm…just a thought.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Dad,

      I agree with your TSA comment; however, not sure about the 30% reduction in federal employees…maybe valid, but again all this data comes out and paints a picture to people that this is the norm…my organization has had 50-60% employee RIF (reduction-in-force) over the past decade…while job taskings and projects have seemed to increase. So, yes…the federal government should be scrutinized for efficiency and financial spending of course. The taxpayers (of which federal employees also pay into) do have a right to expect efficiency and as balanced budget as possible…so I totally agree on that note…but it would help if the government was not such a quagmire that average citizen taxpayers could have a better idea of what the real averages are…so as to prevent the baby being thrown out with the dirty bath water.

      One more thing….when did federal employees receive a 10% pay raise….guess I need to go to my “worthless” government union and complain I never got it…lol. All kidding aside, no where close to 10%. I can’t recall for sure, but I think it was 2% or less this year (I can research if need be and follow-up). Personally, I’m grateful for job (helping military and their families)…so though anyone would prefer more money…I’m okay with the federal salary freeze…because I realize how many others have lost jobs or taken pay cuts….so I will not complain about not getting a pay raise…just wanted to get the info out there on the PL record ;-). Thanks for reading/listening.

  • Raggs

    It’s a smoke screen…

    • http://none Mike

      Raggs, Yea its a smokescreen of blue and red smoke. You know what happens when the 2 combine? America turns green with sickness and rot.Its sad but true these guys in washington now should be on a very short leash.Mike L.

  • Warrior

    Wow, guvment adds 150,000 payrollers over the past year and now they won’t see their first raise in two years? Boy oh boy, I hope these people received signing bonuses. Does this also mean they won’t get their customary cost of living raises also? This guy is a brutal boss.

  • Teresa

    I love how the President is making it seem how this was His idea…it was a Republican idea in which He is compromising to. Either way, I am glad they finally agreed on something!

  • Angelia

    When the everyone on the HILL (the Senate,House,Czars and the President with his staff) are included in this freeze, I might be slightly impressed. How much could they save on the cost of all their trips and vacations? Get rid of their “perks”? This has clearly not enough cutting.

    While millions of us civilians get the axe because of the Governments strangle hold on the economy and their need to waste billions of our dollars, government employees have it pretty easy. I feel “We the People” should cut up the credit cards NOW.

    • Sweetie

      I Hear Ya! :-)

      But it’ll never happen…

  • TIME

    Folks, Let me just say this, ok as I run a small business as most of you know so on that note I can tell you that if I make say $100.000.00
    profit per year, but spend $100 Million, the numbers just don’t jell no matter how hard I try to fit that square peg into that round hole.

    So as the Government is a business in and of its self, its no differant than a small business like mine. Thus to have a freeze on Government staffs wages for a few years is kind of like placing a wad of bubble gum in a crack in a very old dam thats leaking.

    How long will that bubble gum hold? 1 year? 2 years? Than again perhaps niether.

    What needs to happen is the following and its not going to be easy nor will it be pretty.
    #1, Cutting Government job Perks to what the independant market has.
    #2, Cut Government jobs by 1/2 early retirement for anyone age 60 and over.
    #3, Cut all Government jobs pay levels to the level of the Independant market’s levels. That means all to include Congress and the Pres.
    #4, Remove massive amounts of Government agencies, starting with the JD, IRS, FBI, DEA, BATF, FDA, EPA, FCC, just to name a few
    #5, Cut Government redistribution of tax moneys, ZERO benifits to any states, let the states refigure their budgets based on what ever tax’s they can muster only.

    #6, Remove all UNIONS thats all of them.
    #7, Stop all Federal Grants and loans, as well as all Federal funds.
    #8, Fire all extra Government staff
    #9, Fire all of the CZARS
    #10, Open the Postal service up to an independant owner
    #11, Remove all lobbist no matter who they are.
    #12, Stop all aid to all countries no matter who they are.
    #13, Stop being the worlds Police
    #14, Remove the UN from American soil and stop funding it
    #14, Cut Defence spending by 1/2
    #15, Get the hell out of the war business in total.
    #16, Stop all retirement’s of Government staff to what the independant market pays. Stop paying for X presidents staff and drop their pay completely, have them get a bloody job just like anyone else.
    #17,Gut the whole tax system and rebuild on a graduated scale based tax. Higher pay more, lower pay less, how bloody easy is that.
    #18, Cut all social programs as in all of them.

    Thats a start, with just these alone the amount of savings would be an easy 75% if not higher. Thus reducing the outlay of cash.

    • bosucs

      Amen to that

    • Kris

      Don’t forget the ss money that goes to illegals. They voted that gem in 3 years ago while the democrats still had the majority in both houses!

    • Teresa

      I agree completely, also add putting all gov. employee on the same health benefits as the American citizens…I mean, its such a great plan right…lol

    • Norm

      LET’S RUN THIS GUY FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012.

      • Norm

        Norm did not make this post.
        If you have something to say, a$$hole, use your own name.

        • TIME

          Norm, is having a split personality day ~ afterall being bipolar is a hard road to walk.

          • Norm

            TIME
            So is being a fool, but you didn’t let it stop you.

          • TIME

            Oh Normie, got your knickers in a knot again did you????????
            Poor little babieeee, Here You suck on a bottle it will make Normie feel all better and help Normieee sleep better too…

        • libertytrain

          Norm – consider the possibility that his name is Norm as well —-

          • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

            Then the other Norm should change his moniker.

          • Warrior

            Hey, is there a boy named Sue here?

          • libertytrain

            Eddie – he may not realize there is another Norm.

          • Norm

            The other Norm wouldn’t lead on the right path like me. He sounds like another choir member.

          • S.C.Murf

            maybe their mother forgot she had already named one son norm.

          • libertytrain

            Norm how funny you are – most of us here already do lean to the “right” path as opposed to the left.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Warrior,
            Is there a boy named Sue here? Yeah but he goes by edduhhh!!!

    • http://none Mike

      Time, Well said and for the majority of it I agree with it. All but #17 That should be Implement the Fair tax and abolish the 16th amendment and the IRS. That alone could save millions in gov. payroll if not more. And would do away with all tax loopholes. Mike L.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Mike,

        Kudos…….FairTax plan….you got my vote (and shhhhhush…I’m a FED)…Seriously…great idea! http://www.fairtax.org

        • http://none Mike

          I actually have met both Boortz and Linder. I won a meet and greet with them at the second book signing. Very enlightend conversation.Strangely enough our local stations here in Tennessee pulled his program in favor of Glen Beck. Resulting in my now listining to most of my talk raideo via the net. Beck is fine but he lays too little blame at the republicans feet just as Rush does. Mike L.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Hi Mike,

            Hmmmmm…interesting point. Although I’m a registered republican, I try not let myself become hostage to either party. Yes, more of my values align with conservative/republican ones…but I vote for whom I feel reflects my values more….if it’s a Republican…then great…if it’s not…so be it.

            I bet that was an enlightening conversation. We need many more of those. :-)

        • http://none Mike

          I just dont like a shill for either side if you know what I mean. I lean a little more Libratarian every day now as I see the republicans saying one thing then doing another. We had enough of that kind of politics from the democratic side for years now. Its starting to look like 2 snakes same skin to me. But its hard to bring myself to vote Libritarian since we dont have alot of thoes in Tennessee. Mike L.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Mike,

            I hear you. I’m not averse to Liberterian thought; it’s just that when I’ve researched the platform….some of it seems somewhat ambiguous. Having said that, I also realize many believe both the Republican and Democrat parties to be the epitome of ambiguity. :-)

            Of course, If I must choose between Liberterian and Democrat….in most cases, I’m sure I’d lean more to the Liberterian thought…as it is certainly more aligned with my values.

            For anyone interested, I’ve included a link about the Liberterian party platform with this post.

            http://www.lp.org/platform

    • Chuck

      Your HIRED brother!

    • JERRY

      # 14 WE NEED DEFENCE. BRING HOME OUR TROOPS AND PUT THEM ON THE BORDERS. NOW THATS DEFENCE. BLOW UP IRAN & NO KOREA AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT TREATEN THE U.S.A.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        I agree Jerry; we need defense and I think all to often we throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. Probably because most people (including myself) don’t have time to research every political issue/debate as thoroughly as they might like…so they may end up making decisions with limited info. We all (no matter which side) feel we are justified in our actions/reactions to all the politics…such that it is now.

        Thanks for your input.

        Fed Up Gal in NM
        Retired E7

  • Angelia

    Time, you nailed it! Thank you!

  • bosucs

    Lets get rid of all Michells Staff, that would save a bundle of money.
    They arn’t doing her any good anyway, can’t shine a turd.

  • Kim

    That pretty much says it all, TIME. I’d like to see them implement the Fair tax as well, that way every time any illegal aliens buy anything, they are contributing too. Novel idea, huh? Also, get a load of that guy, Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), who says the military needs to be included in the price freeze. Get real, they already make a below poverty wage for defending his fat ass while he sits on the Hill making a cool $175,000.00. Why doesn’t he put on a uniform, go through the training, sweat it out in the most inhospitable area in the world, and actually earn some of what he makes. What a f****** toad!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Kim,
      That would even cost us more!! His undies would constantly be in the wash!!!!

  • J.M.R.

    the dick-tater is blowing smoke if i heard right the freeze is only on cost of living increases time i agree on everything except defense at this time we will need all the help we can get,tell the dick-tater we don’t need his 1 million man army that he is putting together for his personal protection.

  • Kris

    This is a sham! What he stopped were the cost of living wages for 2 years! They still get their grade and step wage increases! It’s pretty disgusting to see that 2 years of COST OF LIVING wages will net this amount of money. I heard a female caller on a talk show bemoaning the fact that both her and her husband would not be getting their cost of living wages but I heard nothing from her about seniors who have already been punished and have not got their cost of living wage and won’t next year either! While these govt. employees will not starve, many seniors will!

  • Polski

    Real quickly, we can save the economy by making the Presidency, and all of Congress, non-paying jobs (their annual pay would be $ 0), and stop ALL their benefits. In fact, let’s extend that to all “high falutin’” federal and state government jobs, and ALL corporate executives, especially CEOs.

  • Citizen

    I’m in complete agreement with the vast majority of the comments here. It is high time for our ‘representatives’ to change pc (political correctness) into PC (Political Courage). There are, as TIME has stated many, many agencies that need to be either eliminated or significantly reduced. When you examine them, they have not fulfilled their original charter; Dept of Energy, Dept of ‘Education’, OSHA, EPA among many others.

    Eliminate the progressive income tax and institute a general flat tax that EVERYONE pays. If you have no skin in the game you will always vote for the person that will keep it that way.

    Call and write your representatives and if you’re fortunate to have new ones call them as well.

  • for the children

    I agree with time. Cut all the federal and state employees pay in half. We did not create this economic problem, they did. Responsiblility, what every businessman has learned. You fail , your company fails. Tax every transation, this includes interstate sales. e-bay alone would bring in 1 billion in revenue if all transations were taxed 5%! This would also promote people to buy locally. Also all you Americans , start buying “made in america” products, keep our neighbors in jobs, not someone in ? country. Demand made in america product at your local stores. Quit feeding our debt to foreign countries.

    • TIME

      FTC,
      Your first statment is the “TRUTH in FACT,”
      We the people did not create this problem the elected officials did. Thats the bottom line. {{ Oddly they are now blaming YOU.}}

      If they worked for an independant company and produced the work product they have, they would all be “fired with ZERO back end pay.”

      Yet we have sat by allowing them to RAPE, ROB, And Destroy at will any forms of FREEDOM, so they can be on the 6 Oclock news making a mockery of what the Bill of Rights & Constitution have outlined as the law of the land.

      I am still not quite able to grasp just how stupid the people of Nevada are for REelecting Reed, I am speachless ~ even if they ran a pop tart it should have won over Reed.
      Boxer, I have no words other than WTF.
      As to Coons v the unknown, again we revist the Reed issue, a Pop Tart should have won.
      Barry Frank??????????????????????????? WTF????????????????????????

      PLEASE PEOPLE, I beg you all Wake UP as many as you can. Ignorane can be cured by understanding the TRUTH when exposed to them, I see this daily when the eyes open and grasp how they have been screwed by these Political paid off Bastards.

      Yet ~ STUPID is never going to change no matter what TRUTHS are exposed to them, why you ask being “agressivly stupid is fostered”.

      • Teresa

        ha ha ha ha, what a way w/words…oh such a treat to hear it so eloquently put…ha ha ha

      • http://?? Joe H.

        time,
        they would have gotten back end pay cause they would have made sure to hire into a union shop so the worthless would have severence pay IF they would have been fired in the first place. You know how it is, the more worthless you are the more your job in a union shop is guaranteed!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Joe H,

          True sometimes; other times not. Federal Government Unions (for the most part) are a JOKE! Employees cannot strike (nor should they be able to strike)…and the Unions (imo) are simply there to manipulate the workers into paying union dues to cover the salaries of the district and national union officials (union mafia pretty much sums it up).

  • sylviam

    I think if my Social security cost of living can be frozen for 2yr. then all Gov. agencys should be too, FIX whats wrong with SS(getting the GOV hands out of it) for starts then cut all the GOV. agency’s by half. I make 267.00 a month, and I have my bills to pay also so that does not leave much to live on but I do try to live on my budget, Why not them???
    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • for the children

    Balancing the budget does not mean borrowing from future generations.
    STOP THINKING THIS IS OK. I care about the next generation. one reason is they will pick my healthcare and retirement home.
    Do unto others. leave this country better than what it was when I entered. DEMAND REFORM. Tell everyone who listens. The new congress can’t even vote whats right for all. We demand no more earmarks? did they vote earmarks out? No , because how can they justify a 150,000 dollar salary that cost them millions to obtain? if it looks like one , smells like, acts like, walks like, it must be one. Can’t change a cats stripes, A crook is a crook.

  • http://NA Bobjohn

    When I worked in industry and the plant lost money, I took a 10% paycut. Why don’t I hear about paycuts when their employees are making more money than the private sector. The next step for me was to lose my job.

  • Raggs

    Federal employees suck off of the tax payers and they make 2/3 more..

    I say SCREW-UM!

    They produce absolutely nothing but dead space,,, Excluding the military…

  • JRP

    Does this pay freeze include congress…I’ll bet not…I feel the main reason were in this finacial mess is because of congress…yet they’re having their pay frozen or their medical healthcare reformed…it seems a congressional seat is the best job in the US…no laws apply…it’s “Do as I say…Not as I do”…Does the First Lady really need 21 personal assistants…I think not…

  • http://com i41

    You noticed the 2 retreadclowns who planned for cuts for the rest of us, never mention the crossbred spending cuts on travel and vactioning, or Congress salaries and benefits, staffs, all agencies. These 2 washed up idoits returned to their old salaries when they left office plus inflation clause. They should have never been used as prime examples od leadership, both a richer than 98% of citizens. This wage freeze is just more B–l s–t coming from the chocolate junglegymn marxist muslim. As for cutting cost put the PO under several private contractors, a single contractor goes right back to a monopoly with corruption. It would get rid of one lazy a$$ed union group. Also everything a democratwhines about taxbreaks costing the people. Just more crap, with taxbreaks, you keep your money in your pocket and do not send it to the beltway smucks. The onlyu way it is costing the government is they don’t get to redistribute it to the airy fairy green energy crap. I think everyone even dumbocraps can spend their money better than the government. Maybe not socialists cannot think for them selves, they need a boss or advisor.

  • Joe

    Interesting comments. I’m a fiscally conservative federal employee, is that hard to imagine? I’m willing to take a pay freeze if it’s for the betterment of the country, although I work for a dept. that I feel is necessary. All the talks about how we make so much though, is way off base. Only the big wigs in Washington, or the big wigs at the highest pay scale are the ones making well into the 6 figures. I actually took a pay cut when switching from private to federal. Also, our health care is the same, if not worse….mine was cheaper in the private sector, and much better. The jargon you hear about government employees making more than the private sector and having better health care is merely propoganda in terms of the average government employee. Also, our retirement isn’t the same as it used to be. As a newer employee, I won’t be enjoying the huge retirement entitlements that previous employees had, and I’m fine with that. I’ll switch back to the private sector when I retire and work a few extra years. I don’t mind working a little extra. It just saddens me all the hate there is towards federal employees, almost anarchist-like.

    • jeanelane

      Joe, I think most of us think of the big, long-winded jokers in D.C. when we think of federal employees. The average employee is just like the rest of us – trying to keep a job and raise their family.

      Obama will never solve the deficit problem. I think that is the whole point. The U.S.A. is ripe for a takeover, just like bad companies in the private sector. Just wait!

      • Joe

        Thanks for the clarification….I hope most people feel the way you do. Trust me, I’m not for the liberal agenda by any means, but do in fact work for the federal government. A lot of my fellow employees also feel the way I do. We just get painted as no good Communists. If anything, I blame the wage freeze on Obama’s out of control spending with his failed bailouts and fake “stimuli.” Now we’re forced to bail out Obama’s bailouts, just more money taken from the middle class…..exactly what he wants to do, whether it be federal employees or employees in the private sector, he doesn’t care….it’s all about power for the elite.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Joe,
          I’m not saying that all lower end government employees are over paid and under worked. Let’s look at VA. I have a friend that is now dead that used to work for VA. She was laid off from a bank when she hired in to VA and was used to working dam hard for her money. They would give her a weeks work and she would have it done in about 3 days. Her supervisor called her on the carpet and raised hell with her saying that they gave her a weeks work and that was supposed to last her a week! Well, she did it again and the same supervisor threatened to fire her. she told the supervisor to go ahead and fir her and she would go to the paper and tell her story and of course name names!! She didn’t get fired and she kept serving as many servicemen as she could each and every week till she had to quit because of cancer! She was one hell of a lady!!!

  • jeanelane

    I still haven’t heard whether our wonderful senators, reps, justices, and president will also be under this wage freeze. They are federal employees, too, aren’t they?

    Obama says we have to do something about the deficit. He created the deficit, let him and his cronies do something without touching the people who are hurt most by all that he does.

  • Alaskasense

    Agree with nearly all–just a modification to #14 & 15: close overseas bases everywhere not funded by the host nation (Japan pays nearly all costs for US military bases there) or reduce to the facilities that support things like communications nodes that can’t be done from the US. Move all investment funds to mobility, long range strike, and light mobile forces that can travel by air, supplied with long range weapons that don’t require overseas support or massive shipping support. Invest in better homeland defense technology, essentially building the wall behind which we will live in the future.

  • 45caliber

    Actually, this isn’t a bad idea. The average government worker gets double what the same person would make at some outside job. It might give the rest of us time to catch up.

    What really annoys me is that we – as taxpayers – pay their wages. And they get paid more than we do to do a less important job.

  • jjammin1812

    Isn’t that just peachy! If he REALLY wanted to make a difference, he’d cut the pay for all of Congress!

    Come on America, write a proposition for your State that takes the power back and gives it to the people of the State where their Representatives come from. Do you think they deserve a raise? Those Freshman Congressmen shouldn’t be getting the same as the Senior Congressmen should they!?! How about Any pay-raises have to go before the State first!!!

    BUT FIRST, CUT THE PAY OF CONGRESS OBAMA!!!

    • Vigilant

      Sorry, Obama’s Executive Branch. He has absolutely no control over the compensation that Congress votes itself.

  • hundabuxt

    One thing is certain. Either we take control of the budget or it will take control of us. Two thing’s affect our lives adversly: the greed and power of the super weathy and powerful, and the government they control. Its only going to get worse with the decision made by the supreme court to allow large doners to contribute to political campaigns with virtually unlimited controls. The federal government dogs us for every dollar they can intimidate out of us (the middle class) and spend what they get plus what they can borrow further encumbering our future and that of our children. They’ve stolen everything in Social Security leaving IOU’s behind as well as everything contributed currently. They have an insatiable appetite for money and our country is being destroyed piece meal. Government is too big and too expensive and they’re for sale to the highest bidder. Pay freezes are a joke and those affected also vote. It will probably not happen but it sounds good to the ignorant.

  • Brad

    If Ohmama has proposed a two year freeze on government pay then he should propose an across the board reduction of 5.834 billion spending cut in every single department. That would equal just over 70 billion in one year and 700 billion over ten years, then hey we can have the GWB tax cuts extended, what a concept. As qouted “the Obama administration estimates that the freeze will save $2 billion for the remainder of fiscal year 2011 and approximately $28 billion over the next five years. The proposal, which needs congressional approval, would save roughly $60 billion over 10 years”.

  • Eric Bischoff

    I know I am going to stand alone on this one but so what.

    I think that this is a bad idea and it’s only to placate the idiots. They should get raises and everyone who has a job should get a raise and the government should extend unemployment benefits and hire more people and send unemployed people to school for retraining.

    There’s money, lots of money, trillions are being held and not being spent. The banks are not loaning it because they are still speculating with it. That’s why the gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever. That’s why the rich are richer than ever the middle class is busted and the poor are poorer than ever. That’s another FACT.

    This economy is driven by us the consumers. Unemployment benefits have been proven to have incredible immediate benefit to the economy. It gets spent immediately. If we have money to spend this economy thrives and the government tax coffers get refilled.

    Unions are the last hold out for a decent salary in this country. They are not the problem they are the solution but you people are willing to shoot yourselves in the foot every time.

    The american workforce works harder and longer in the last 30 years and yet salaies have been flat while inflation has not. Reagan made sure of that. That’s why it now takes two people to barely support a household when it could be done with one in the 60′s

    The Germans on the other hand did not fall for that Reagan Thatcher bull. They hung on to their unions and they have good salaries. They still have their manufacturing industry and they have strict green environmental laws. And they are kicking our asses financially. They also have strict banking laws so they do not have the subprime problem we have. They don’t live above their means. They don’t live on credit like we do.

    So you see it can be done.

    We need to have some balls and reinstate the taxes on the rich to the level of the Eisenhower era 90% or the begining of the Reagan era 70%

    All of our financial problems started when Reagan lowered taxes on the rich from 70% down to 28%. That plus deregulation is when government and deficits went out of control and the speculation madness started again. You can’t deny the end result. We are broke. And to the fools who actually think it’s all Obumers fault I feel sorry for your lack of knowledge on the subject.

    Deep down inside you all know this is true but you’ve let yourselves be convinced BY THE RICH that lower taxes and trickle down economics, or pissing on the poor, as it should be properly called will save your asses. Good luck with that!

    FACT: The Taxes under Obama’s first 2 years are lower than under 7 years of Reagan. And still you are all complaining. You are duped.

    FACT: The periods of high taxes on the rich have brought us the most productive and stable financial periods. The periods when taxes were the lowest have always been the most dangeous speculation and burst buble times all ending in crashes and depressions.

    Stop pretending it’s not true. Just go look it up.

    • s c

      EB, most unions are nothing more than the mutated offspring on Lenin and his Bolsehvik scum. Union leadership is on a par with the Gestapo.
      If you live long enough, you might understand that which should be obvious. For now, you are in denial, and you do little but infect others with what amounts to a disease.

  • Palin12

    Obummer should start by cutting the first lady’s personal staff budget of $1.7 million a year by half. And no taxpayer-paid booze for the Wicked Witch of San Francisco.

  • Old Guy in AZ.

    I say Why Not? After all, the people that have to rely on Social Security, (cough cough) didn’t get a COLA increase this year and aren’t getting one next year! You wanna balance the budget? Make every politician’s income commensurate with the average American they are supposed to be representing. Take away all the fluff like free health care, Secret Service protection, limo’s and airplnes and make the bastards pay there way like the rest of us. Better yet, let’s make their salaries come in line with Social Security! Then watch the earmarks start flying!

  • chuckb

    eric b

    where do you get your information from, the communist daily worker magazine? the information you spew is nothing but left wing garbage and hardly worth taking serious. you better find better information, raising tax on this economy would be disastrous, proven time and time again. john kennedy and reagan both cut tax in order to straighten out the economy and in doing so increased the government coffers.
    we need to cut out the vacations soetoro and his family are taking every other day, get rid of the queen bee pelosi and her airplane, (soon to happen) make the unions payback the tax money they are squandering on their retirement funds and let gm go broke.
    send barry back to where he came from and all his henchmen with him.
    we are a nation ruled by ignorance and a constituency mired in some kind of mind altering media induced hero worship. barry the judas goat.

  • Claire

    I read that the GOP will not vote for any legislation UNLESS the tax cuts to the wealthy are extended. I think it is going to be more of the same hogwash all over again. Hang on people–we are in for the ride of our lives. I don’t think it will get any better. Geez, I despise the political game-playing. Are any of them really concerned about America and all Americans? I think not.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Republicans filibustered 16 different proposed tax cuts in the last couple of years. The only one they want is the one for the rich. They want to extend the expiring Bush tax cuts.

    Meanwhile 2 million people just lost their unemployment benefits today just in time for xmas. But hey screw them we don’t want to be a socialism like system that helps people in trouble. We ‘re too busy helping corporate america giving them zero interest loans even if they don’t need it.

    I am sure that you’ll hear different versions of this and many attacks on it but in the end the guy who did something for us is the most progressive guy in the US government today. BERNIE SANDERS. The guy who forced Bernanke to reveal where the Bush bailout money went. And then they discovered that there was a lot more, a hell of a lot more, Trillions more. Did you see the list even McDonalds got money. Did you get any money?

    “After years of stonewalling by the Fed, the American people are finally learning the incredible and jaw-dropping details of the Fed’s multi-trillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street and corporate America. As a result of this disclosure, other members of Congress and I will be taking a very extensive look at all aspects of how the Federal Reserve functions and how we can make our financial institutions more responsive to the needs of ordinary Americans and small businesses.

    What have we learned from today’s disclosure? And, this is based on a 4 hour examination of over 21,000 transactions. We have learned that the $700 billion Wall Street bailout signed into law under George W. Bush turned out to be pocket change compared to the trillions and trillions of dollars in near zero interest loans and other financial arrangements the Federal Reserve doled out to every major financial institution in this country. Among those are Goldman Sachs which received nearly $600 billion; Morgan Stanley which received nearly $2 trillion; Citigroup which received $1.8 trillion; Bear Stearns which received nearly a trillion; and Merrill Lynch received some $1.5 trillion in short term loans from the Fed.

    We have also learned that the Fed’s multi-trillion bailout was not limited to Wall Street and big banks, but that some of the largest corporations in this country also received a very substantial bailout. Among those are General Electric, McDonald’s, Caterpillar, Harley Davidson, Toyota, and Verizon also received a bailout from the Fed.

    Perhaps most surprising is the huge sum that went to bail out foreign private banks and corporations including two European megabanks — Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse – who were the largest beneficiaries of the Fed’s purchase of mortgage-backed securities.

    Deutsche Bank, a German lender, sold the Fed more than $290 billion worth of mortgage securities and Credit Suisse, a Swiss bank, sold the Fed more than $287 billion in mortgage bonds. Has the Federal Reserve of the United States become the central bank of the world?

    The Fed said that this bailout was necessary to prevent the world economy from going over a cliff. But, three years after the start of the recession, millions of Americans remain unemployed and have lost their homes, life savings and ability to send their kids to college. Meanwhile, big banks and corporations have returned to making huge profits and paying their executives record-breaking compensation packages as if the financial crisis they started never happened.

    What this disclosure tells us, among many other things, is that despite this huge taxpayer bailout, the Fed did not make the appropriate demands on these institutions necessary to rebuild our economy and protect the needs of ordinary Americans.
    For example, at a time when big banks have nearly a trillion dollars in excess reserves parked at the Fed, the Fed did not require these institutions to increase lending to small and medium sized businesses as a condition of the bailout.

    At a time when large corporations are more profitable than ever, the Fed did not demand that corporations that received this backdoor bailout create jobs and expand the economy once they returned to profitability. I intend to investigate whether these secret Fed loans, in some cases, turned out to be direct corporate welfare to big banks that used these loans not to reinvest in the economy but rather to lend back to the federal government at a higher rate of interest by purchasing Treasury Securities.

    The Federal Reserve claimed that these loans were needed so that big banks could start lending to small and medium sized businesses that desperately needed money to create jobs and to prevent layoffs. But, instead of using this money to reinvest in the productive economy, I suspect a large portion of these near zero interest loans were used to buy Treasury Securities at a higher interest rate providing free money to some of the largest financial institutions in this country. That is something that we have got to closely examine.

    At a time when Wall Street executives are now making more money than before the financial crisis, how many big banks that paid back TARP funds in 2009 to avoid limits on executive compensation received no-strings attached loans from the Federal Reserve?
    At a time when millions of Americans are paying outrageously high credit card interest rates, why didn’t the Fed require credit card issuers to lower interest rates as a condition of the bailout?

    The four largest banks in this country (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, and Citigroup) issue half of all mortgages in this country. We now know that these banks received hundreds of billions from the Fed. How many Americans could have remained in their homes, if the Fed required these bailed-out banks to reduce mortgage payments as a condition of receiving these secret loans?

    But hey that’s why there’s no money for you fools. That’s why we can’t extend unemployment, that’s why we want to cut social security, ask you to work longer and that is why we want to cut education and arts funding.

  • Eric Bischoff

    So corporate america and the rich got Bush bailout money, they also got trillions of zero interest loans, they got Bush tax cuts for the last 10 years.

    WHERE ARE THE JOBS ASS HOLES?

    WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

    ARE THEY COMING ANYTIME SOON?

    OH I forgot you need more tax cuts and then maybe we’ll get jobs!!!!!

  • chuckb

    eric b

    hey, “azz hole,” why don’t you go out and produce a job instead of blaming everyone else. that takes some ingenuity and i doubt if you are capable. i would like to see you start a business and then listen to the wail when tax time rolled around or when you had to deposit tax beforehand. union or democrat organizers have no idea of what it takes to run a business so i guess you will never know.
    remember one other thing, your heroe’s in congress including judas himself voted for all those bailout’s you blame bush for.

  • http://com i41

    Eric, again you have to quit jumping up and down anytime Onumnutts and the NMCDUP idoits get wacked with facts of the real world, it rams you brnano brain case father up your large intestine.. As for corporations and Wall Street manipulators, Geithner and Daschle were and still on the Wall Street advirory boards getting millions as well as most elitist democrats do on every board, and use the buddy system to serve on several boards. When these tax cheats got expsosed, it sure didn’t phase all of you pinheaded dumbocraps. Geithner walked out with a $21 million bonus, to say nothing of his taking down a bank he was supposed to manage with a several million dollar salary. Daschle making millions off an education fund for”poor students” and make money off of high interest charges on loans. It was the unions and corporations who got the money from the bailouts. Most all the banks were loaded up with socialist democrats and gave millions to the Soros “the nazi” string puller on all socialist democrats. As for jobs you socialist worm, unemployment was aty 4.5% until the socialist Soros democrat got power in 2007. Since socialist scumbags got total contol in 1009 employment rates drop and the stimulas sure didn’t creat any jobs except for a few scrots like you, Eric. Onumnutts hates private businesses, the USA, as well as Soros and all NMCDUP leeches. I might think youwere a muslim marxist, except you get on a prayer rug to call for Blarney the lisping Allah of idoitacy.

  • LyingDog

    Just a bunch of window dressing appropriate for Christmas. Obama’s talk is just like his wife and niglets, cover for the truth, he is a fag and a driving force for more government. Stop paying the government workers and see if they continue to show up at work. I remember when ole Newt Gingy boy shut down Clinton’s government. I couldn’t tell the difference. Can we send them home for 3 months and save a few trillion?

    Hey, where is the save Christmas from the communist, anti-wealth, free range chicken, godless, lawless anti-christiam crowd article.

    i41 has my vote for site’s most straight talker. Go get em, i41. When I say the things you do, I quit getting the newsletter. Not a problem really because in a few days it will come back again, like the clap.

  • LyingDog

    There is a difference in the short term loans and the longer term loans. Like clap and aids. Uh, eric b., you have opening quotation mark but no closing q mark. So, how much is his and how much is your rant? Are you sure it was trillions, that is a big number to take out of billions. And, even if it was trillions, it was short term right. I would not have given any of them a penny and let deflation and suffering run its course. Eating sweet taters and corn bread makes a man want to work for his little pussy cat.

    • http://none Mike

      Deflation needs to happen Dog. But its been kept at bay since 1998 by both sides of the isle.What deflation does is correct prices to a point the market can bear. Whats happend particularly in the houseing and transportation markets is this. The federal goverment stepped in and guaranteed low to no intrest lonas on houses and cars. This is turn allowed what was thought to be no risk lending by the banks of this country. Why not lend when the goverment as your cosigner guarntees the loans are good? This allowed an artifical inflation of prices in the marketplace for houses and cars. Enter a new period around 2006. Prices have become bloated and very unaffordable in most markets. Houseing starts to stagnate and car sales start to slip downward. Insted of allowing a correction to take place then the fed steps in again and lowers intrest rates again. Result Banks go into a feeding freenzy the play money they are able to recive almost free triggers loans for all mentality.No credit required and dont even ask for proof of income. You know why? Uncle sam was again backing mortage securities.And the heads of these major banks figured the goverment will make good on the loans even if the consumer cant. They see houseing as a no fail asset at this point betting on the riseing cost of houseing continuing add infintium(forever)They figure the we can forclose and resale even if the consumer fails. With the goverment fostering this attitude with lower intrest rates they were blind.Enter next phase. 2008 to late 2009. Houseing market crashes. Now no longer able to support the higher and higher cost of houseing and transportation.The consumer starts to buckel under the pressure. Houseing market crash ripples through the rest of the economy. And retail sales start to slip under this burden. The mass layoffs begin. Other countries that had been purchseing our currancies at this point start to fear their investments in us are becomming worthless. Result the dollar starts to fall. Houseing market collaps starts to buckle smaller banks now that their heavy investments in mortage securities are devalued.Larger banks freeze all lending at this point as well. This in turn puts the capitol investments of small buisness in limbo. Result even more layoffs.We should have learned by this point the artifical inflation we had created wasent working. But no 2010 Obama adminastration feds step in again. The goverment at this point is in a quandry. The artifical inflation they have created has turned into frankenstine at this point. So we have to find a way to continue to fund the banks and investment houses that we have guarenteed money too without raiseing intrest rates at the federal level. Tarp is born(?son of frankinstine)We must declare that these companies and banks are TOO BIG TO FAIL.We pour trillions of un funded currancies back into the market. Result Major lenders and investors such as china bail on the dollar.Ripple effect felt throughout the world as the dollar crashes.At this point I see 2 futures in front of us. #1 We as a people elect entirly new leadership come 2012 and begin to control frankinstine and curtail non-stop inflation artifical or otherwise. By cutting goverment spending and disposel of all remaining TARP funds. Or #2 We continue as if nothing is wrong in Obamaland and futher devalue the dollar. Eventually resulting in a world wide run on our banks as they try to recover their assets. Maby even a world war 3 over whats left of the carcuss of the United States. We have 2 years to decide so time is short. Mike L.

  • Sweetie

    This Dumb ???? and his MADEUP/PRETEND MONEY…
    It’s a start for The JOKER of ALL SPADES whom Lies through His Teeth a ???
    ass Grin, whom Feed you one line then tells you another. Just how long do you expect this to go on, if and ever these words he speaks does happen???

    Too many Lies

    yet he

    Runs and Hides

    when things don’t go his way

    Think About It…

  • JERRY

    THEY ALL TALK ABOUT CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. WELL I WORKED FOR 45 YEARS AND PAYED FOR THIS. I AM WILLING TO TAKE A SMALL CUT. BUT I SAY IF THERE ARE ANY CUTS START AT THE TOP!! STARTING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND GET RID OF ( ALL ) OF THEIR PENSONS,, THAT WAY WE SAVE TRILLIONS IN A SHORT TIME…. ( UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS ) STOP THAT AND PUT THEM ON WELFARE LIKE ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT EITHER CAN’T WORK OR JUST PLAIN OLD LAZY AND WON’T WORK. WHY $300.00 TO $500.00 PER WEEK. THIS IS TOTAL B.S.

  • Alan

    It is a Shame that the Tea Party has had the Dirtiest Trick in the Book pulled on them the Old Washington 2 Step the Promises of Lyers for 2 Steps into Washington and it’s back to the same old,same old no matter the Party they all are Lairs!!! I tried to tell them to make them Signa Contract of Legal Binding witha Clause of Resigning if they did not full fill the Agreement, but that was not Heard ! The Powers that be buy them or threaten them out of FEAR they do what they want done!!! There is a Shadow Government Running most of the World now, and will demand it to organize into a Socialisied New World Order! That is why you all see them Ignore you and continue to run the Country Broke until we are Bankrupt and the Dollar has Felled! It is as easy as the nose on your FACE if you open you EYES and awake from sleeping !!!

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