Obama, Oprah And Inouye: One An American Hero, The Other Two From Chicago

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“During her speech at the Holocaust Memorial Museum, she (Oprah) talked about the devastations of concentration camps and then inexplicably segued into how hard it was to be famous and go to the bathroom in public.” – Kitty Kelly’s Oprah, A Biography.

President Barack Obama announced last week a list of Americans who would receive the Medal of Freedom, the highest honor bestowed to a civilian. The group included the late Democratic Senator from Hawaii, Daniel Inouye and Oprah Winfrey.

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Inouye was awarded the Medal of Honor for his combat heroism in World War II. A few years ago he spoke of how he sniped a German officer who was “moving his bowels.” Inouye remembered with regret what he told his men before he took the fatal shot: “This one is mine!” And while we may not like Inouye’s record in the Senate, I believe he should get a pass because of what he did in combat and because of the racism he overcame as a Japanese-American.

Then there is Oprah; the Oprah that despises public washrooms, the Oprah who in 2008 proclaimed Barack Obama to be the “chosen one.” “The Oprah,” who launched Obama’s two-term Presidency.

And when it comes to Oprah it seems to me the President is paying off an old debt. And what do you give a woman worth $3 billion? Perhaps the President asked the first lady what to get Oprah. She may have opined: “The Medal of Freedom would be nice.”

Inouye Lost An Arm… “Oprah Doesn’t Do Stairs!”

Inouye’s posthumous Medal of Freedom was more difficult to earn than Oprah’s, whose biggest contribution to America is a daytime TV show.

More than a decade ago I got a glimpse of the real Oprah. I came home from work early one day and watched her talk show. She was interviewing actor Matt Damon and director Billy Bob Thornton about their then new movie, “All the Pretty Horses.”

Oprah bragged to her worshipping audience in front of her guests, “I don’t even have a cell phone.” To which Thornton replied neither did he, but all three of them had two or three assistants following them around with cell phones. If looks could kill Thornton would have been a dead man.

To be fair, it’s necessary to measure up the life achievements between Inouye— a  Japanese-American who was vanguard for the Democrats in the Senate for half a century—and Oprah— a liberal Chicago celebrity and a onetime confidant to the President.

Inouye’s lifetime of achievement began in 1943 when he volunteered for 442nd Regimental Combat Team. He did that as Japanese-Americans were being interned by the Federal government. Within his first year he achieved the rank of sergeant. While fighting the Germans in World War II he was promoted to second lieutenant.

In 1945, Inouye led his platoon against a heavily-defended ridge near San Terenzo in Tuscany, Italy. He ordered his men to take cover. He proceeded to attack three German gun positions. After he was shot through the stomach, he pressed on with nothing more than his Thompson submachine gun and a sack of hand grenades. After his right arm was blown to shreds by a German grenade rifle, he led a charge past the enemy’s last position.

His actions in World War II gave Inouye a shout-out on one website as, “Badass of the Week.” 

Inouye is remembered as a badass, not as a fat-ass. With regards to the latter, Kitty Kelly does point to a terrible day Oprah had at an exclusive art gallery.

In the book, Oprah on page 340, Kelly quotes renowned Washington, D.C., art dealer Peter A. Colasante who had the misfortune of trying to do business with Ms. Winfrey:

“Hey. You’ve kept me waiting for over thirty minutes.” Her security guards moved in.

“C’mon I need to show you your paintings so I can get to my own appointment.”

“Oprah does not walk,” she said.

“Aw, c’mon. It’s only a few yards,” I said with my hand on her shoulder, steering her across the street. She started screaming at her secretary.

I said, “Your people made appointments for you, insisted on absolute times, and said that we all had to be ready for your arrival and let nothing interfere, so I’m doing exactly what your people told me to do.

The secretary was so frightened she couldn’t speak and she started shaking so hard her notebook bobbed up and down. This only incensed Oprah more. I thought she was going to swat the secretary and then decapitate me. Just as this was happening, a busload of kids passed by. They immediately recognized Oprah and started screaming. Then the most amazing thing happened: Oprah stopped hissing and spitting, and her serpent eyes softened as she waved and beamed. “Hi, y’all.”…. She actually turned from screeching harridan to sweet goddess in less time than it takes to blink. I swear I thought I was in the middle of an alien attack… Then I marched her into my gallery, trailed by her pilot, her secretary, her hairdresser, her makeup man and two big security guards. She walked through the front door and started waving her hands over head like she was doing a very slow St. Vitus’ dance.

“I just don’t feel it,” she said, shaking her head. “I just don’t feel it. The vibrations aren’t right… they’re not speaking to me….”

“You’ll feel ‘em once you see the paintings we’ve assembled for you,” I said, pointing up the stairs where the Court oils had been hung.

“Oprah does not do stairs!”

And so it goes, as Obama embraces the achievements of Inouye and Oprah. One was an American war hero. The other sells soap to desperate housewives. One is dead. The other now encouraged to continue the good work of building the Obama legacy.

And let us not discount how tough Oprah has had it either. She has said she was sexually abused as a child, something denied by her family. And when her ratings were poor she said how she had once done cocaine, too.

As Frank Sinatra so famously sang:

That’s life, that’s what people say.

You’re riding high in April,

Shot down in May.

Life imitated lyrics for Oprah. She was told she would receive the highest civilian honor a President can bestow. The announcement came a couple of weeks after she was subjected to wicked racism by a Swiss shopkeeper.

The First Lady of TV wanted to look at a $38,000 handbag while on a recent trip to Switzerland.  She told Entertainment Tonight: “I was in Zurich the other day at a store whose name I will not mention. I didn’t have my eyelashes on, but I was in full Oprah Winfrey gear. I had my little Donna Karan skirt and sandals, but obviously The Oprah Winfrey Show is not shown in Zurich.

“I go into a store and say to the woman, ‘Excuse me, may I see that bag over your head?’ and she says to me ‘No, it’s too expensive.'”

It seems Oprah likes crocodile bags. (Ouch! Oprah is not an environmentalist!). Yet this Swiss shopkeeper dared to say no to Oprah!

According to Oprah, the woman said: “No no no, you don’t want to see that one, you want to see this one, because that one will cost too much and you will not be able to afford that.”

Cost too much? Too much for Oprah? That is like telling the Pope he isn’t Catholic. If seeing is believing you can watch how Oprah described her Rosa Parks experience, no doubt while on her way back from her Swiss bank. 

I tell you it is an outrage. It is also a coincidence, because the new movie about racism, The Butler, starring Oprah hits theaters Friday.

Obama may feel that what happened to Oprah was so despicable that it influenced his decision to bestow upon the Queen of daytime TV the identical honor he bestowed on the late Senator Inouye.

Just one difference: one saved his platoon and went on to serve in the U.S. Senate for 50 years. The other never does stairs and no longer does handbags in Switzerland.

Yours in good times and bad,

-John Myers

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • independent thinker

    Loved the article John.

    • John Myers

      Thanks IT,
      Best,
      John Myers

  • KG

    Mr Meyer, I’ve got to hand it to you. You are one sneaky canuck. What a better way to hide your racist proclivities than to compare a negress with a slope. And a liberal zipperhead too! But I’m confused about your disappointment in Oprah. I mean, after all, she represents the epitome of conservative values. A woman from humble stock manages to pull herself up by her own bootstraps and becomes a mufti-millionare. I thought that in America, once you get past a couple of million, you can say what you want too. I know her waistline has varied over the years, but you have maintained your Hindenburg dimensions along with your inflated ego. What a country!

    • RLM

      Apparently, it takes one to know one!

    • Al Chemist

      So, don’t Donald Trump and Mitt Romney deserve the Medal of Freedom also? Are they the wrong color? What about Herman Cain? He’s the right color. KG, she got the award because she’s a huge Obama supporter. No other reason. Senator Inouye deserved it even if he was a liberal/progressive. In my humble opinion, she does not deserve to be on the same list with him.

      • nc

        Al, let’s not forget that george bush awarded the Medal to Nancy Reagan(?). and her contributions to a better America were???
        Why would you say he skipped over the wives of former Democrat Presidents?? Nothing political I’m sure!! Yeah right!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        I would like to have Thomas Sowell be so honored or even Walter Williams, as they have got people getting the cobwebs out of their brains.

    • Vigilant
      • KG

        Thats actually old news. Remember Seattle at the G8 conference? The one with “Teamsters and Turtles”? The Labor movement has not forgotten that winter of unity. So the gathering of supporting organizations, wither they contribute dues or not, is the future of Organized Labor.

        It funny, but when ever I talk to a young person about the Union they get really excited about it. I think the negative propaganda thats been pushed on everyone has had an effect, albeit a negative one.

        • Vigilant

          “It funny, but when ever I talk to a young person about the Union they get really excited about it.”

          Not funny at all. I would expect callow youth who haven’t been out in the real world and who have been socialist programmed in school to be excited about it.

        • Vis Fac

          That’s because young people haven’t yet experienced being taken for a ride by Union thugs and criminals. Young people don’t know Sheet (moderation) from Shineola and believe the tripe anyone tells them especially those who are “dumbed down” functionally illiterate products of the public school system. That is why liberals had pushed so hard for the legal voting age be set at 18 What does an 18 year old have to compare their life experience to a video game? Lets be honest and face facts you don’t know anything until you are 30.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

        • S.C.Murf

          They figure you’re talking about the union of sodomites and you look and sound good to them

          up the hill
          airborne

      • Dave

        Yeah, when Corp America is the only voice left on capital hill and their lobbying takes away all the benefits the Union movement helped secure for the working people of this country. You will will be singing a different tune.

    • TombstoneLizard

      Negress? Slope? And you’re talking about John having racist proclivities? Whatever. Why do I even respond to trolls?

    • Vis Fac

      Conservative values? On what plant in La-La land located? Once again you demonstrate the proclivity of a moron. You speak of Mr. Meyer’s inflated ego yet say nothing of the over inflated omnipotent egos of your heros ODUMBO HOLDER and now Oprah the whale. Hypocrisy runs deep in you lineage.

      In case you don’t know we all come into the world the same way. Some people are fortunate to be in the right place at the right time. That does not make them special. For Oprah to truly be worthy she should remain HUMBLE.

      You however because you are liberal have done nothing with your life and remain dependent on others and completely obsequious to demon cratic party credo.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • Jeff

      Guys like Myers and Swinebaugh must have no mirrors in their houses. How is it no one tells these guys they are the last people on Earth who should be commenting on someone’s shape. Did you know that Michelle Obama actually looks older than her daughters? I guess the only people fit to speak about healthy eating are 20-year-old swimsuit models.

  • Harold Olsen

    I can’t help feel that Dopey Windbag is getting the award because she is a big donor and supporter of our fuhrer. In effect, I can’t help think she is buying her award.

  • Justthinking

    Only two sure ways to become a celebrity. Either be black or be gay and celebrity status is a lot easier to achieve. Oh! not true, sorry then.

    • ONLYJB1

      You forgot….Hollywood SLUT!

    • Jeff

      I’ll be sure to let Harrison Ford know that. Bill Clinton, too. Could it be you’re just pathetic and your failures have nothing to do with color or sexual proclivity?

  • regulus30

    OBA666 is not from chicago;; from indonesia via a hatched EGG.

  • Vigilant

    What’s next? Will Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn be awarded the prize next year?

  • Al Chemist

    Oprah deserves the Medal of Freedom about as much as Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

    • Vigilant

      Now THAT hit the nail on the head.

    • Jeff

      But you definitely deserve another beer. Go ahead. Nobody cares what you do anyway.

  • Paul

    I am surprised he didn’t list himself as a candidate. This honor should go to Snowden.

  • mathis1689

    Oprah’s opinions are about like her butt. They both stink because they’re both full of crap.

  • nc

    John, your problem is that you don’t understand why people write books about Oprah and not about John Myers .You dog Oprah about her associates and then reference Frank Sinatra?? Have you ever read of the type of ‘friends” he had in Vegas and elsewhere?
    You write of the “famous” Oprah but not a word of her struggles to get to where she is today. Where did she get her wealth? I’m betting she didn’t wake up every morning and there was a ANOTHER bag of money beside her bed! I’ll bet in the early days she got out of bed and went to work with no camera or cameramen following her! You know? The way people do it in America? Do you live your life to suit Oprah? Why should she live her life to suit you? Would you care to list her crimes other than supporting Obama along with over 60 million other Americans.
    As an “investment advisor” , have you ever put money in a foreign(Swiss) account? NO?? Really?? Would you ever advise a person of great wealth that it may be good business to put money in foreign accounts? Especially one who is so over weight that stairs are a burden? Some people kill alligators! Some cut down trees, blow the tops off mountains and spill oil in the oceans!
    Inouye was a great American but so have there been other great Americans who were not “of the military’! who did good things for our country worthy of recognition,

    • red neck

      opie whimpy is a duce bag nothing more and nothing less….

      • Jeff

        And the fact that Oprah wouldn’t think you fit to clean manure from her boots doesn’t color your “opinion”?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Well maybe if he needed her to clean Jeff from her boots.

    • TombstoneLizard

      Wow, John’s article really put your knickers in a twist. I suggest watching a day full of “The View” re-runs to help you get over it.

      • nc

        Lizard, my knickers are not in a twist as yours seem to be that I am not a back scratching member of Johns choir as you guys seem to be.
        I don’t remember ever sitting down to watch a complete episode of the View. I have watched parts of episodes that I came upon and must admit as I have parts of the panel shows on Faux Noise!
        I find the View discussions every bit as intelligent as the “paid for” 100% conservatibe “discussions” of Faux Noise! Especially when it comes to what women think about women issues and not what old white men think about women issues!!

        • TombstoneLizard

          “Women’s issues.” So, are you saying that Oprah is at the forefront of women’s issues? (By the way, yes, I love my back-scratcher. It’s made of bamboo and feels sooo good!) Seriously, though, the problem that I see here is that Oprah represents the media giving her so much attention, and not caring about the “issues” you defer to. The only issue I have with women is the same issue I have with men: Why saddle anyone (taxpayers) with getting an abortion if you haven’t filed rape or molestation charges? If you can’t be bothered to wear protection/birth control, why not just go get yourself fixed? And YES, I DO mean that for MEN as well: I’ve seen WAY too many deadbeat and/or cheating pieces of crap who have yet to receive the justice they deserve for impregnating a woman then dumping her. They need DNA samples to track these jerks from one end of the planet to the other. Child molesters and rapists? I opt for giving them death; however, if we must be bleeding-hearts about killing them, then let’s at least quit believing they’ll take their “chemical castration” pills as promised. Let’s just cut off their junk, period. (This coming from a man and father of two lovely girls.)

          • NC

            LIZARD, ABORTIONS ARE NOT BANNED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION! OUR FEDERAL LAWS SAY TAXPAYER MONEY CAN NOT BE USED TO FINANCE ABORTIONS! THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED THAT ABORTIONS UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES ARE PERMISSABLE! WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
            SUPPOSE YOU GOT YOUR WAY AND ALL ABORTIONS WERE ABOLISHED AND YOUR DAUGHTER HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN AND WAS EXPECTING ANOTHER BUT WOULD DIED IF FORCED THE HAVE IT! COULD YOU LOOK HER IN THE EYE AND SAY SO LONG DARLING BUT THE LAW IS THE LAW AND IT MUST BE SERVED??
            BTW, I have a beautiful daughter and two beautiful daughters in law, ALL WITH CHILDREN!!
            We all hate abortions and love the fact that EACH OF THESE WOMEN are capable of making decisions for themselves! THEY HAVE 16 YEARS OF COLLEGE EDUCATION AMONG THEM!

          • WTS/JAY

            Lol! That was hilarious! (-:

          • TombstoneLizard

            Dang, girl, chill. First, stop “shouting” in caps. It makes my eyes hurt. Second, you know that our taxpayer dollars fund organizations like Planned Parenthood that hands out abortions like candy, but don’t teach responsible behavior as a priority. Not once in my above statements did I advocate any woman dying from having a child, but since you brought it up, seriously? Is that the only argument against carrying a child to term is that women who are too scared to have a kid should be able to abort? Does every woman who decides to abort face dire circumstances in making their decision? Seriously, cough it up: Too many women (and men!) engage in sexual behavior without demanding or enforcing birth and/or disease control. So don’t you dare throw that “If it was your daughter” crap at me. Let me make this so clear even someone as histrionic as yourself will understand: I taught my daughter’s that they aren’t obligated to have a child by a rapist. They weren’t obligated to have a child by any man. They weren’t obligated to carry a child if there was IRREFUTABLE PROOF that continuing their pregnancy would kill them. BUT, if they engaged in non-protected sex, of their own free will, they would get pregnant-and then they would have to decide on choosing destruction of a child, or bringing it into the world for themselves, or to allow someone else to be parents to that baby. Every swinging dick out there who impregnates a girl or woman needs to be forced to go through that with her, so they can feel all the pain that they can when they see that aborted child. Have I made myself clear?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Some people give away other peoples’ money and consider themselves “compassionate”.

    • Vis Fac

      Struggles You have no Idea what struggles are. I could tell you a thing or two on that subject but doing so wouldn’t change a thing. Truth be known we all have struggles but keep them to ourselves.

      Some people struggle to survive some struggle to escape some struggle to keep their freedoms and independence while others bask in self glory and omnipotence and keep their face plastered all over kingdom come.

      I have a difficult time feeling sorry for a racist, hypocritical, egoist that may or may not have had a good childhood I would say the Oprah has been (well?) “overly” compensated.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • nc

        Force, what kept you from being as successful and as well known as Oprah? Were you not white enough to make it big because a lot of white folks have made it big here? OR WERE YOU JUST NOT AS SMARET OR TALENTED AS OPRAH??
        SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TO GO INTO THE SOUR GRAPES BUSINESS!!

        • Vis Fac

          Success is in the eye of the beholder. Although I didn’t amass the monetary fortune that MS. O has I haven’t done too shabby either . As for fame; it’s over rated I unlike Ms O have no problem walking down any street and don’t have to worry about a camera stuck in my face (earlier in one my government assignments anonymity was crucial for survival and old habits die hard) or anyone hitting me up for money and gifts or pawing at me.

          How much talent or brain power do you need to tell lies to/with celebrities on a TV show? NONE just a penchant to kiss up to your hypocritical phony celebrity guests.

          I have earned no less than four college degrees three in engineering and my MBA I speak three languages fluently and proficient in four others I doubt Ms. O could compete.

          So you see I don’t have the sour grapes that you have. I had opportunities because I made them I studied in school and applied myself and sacrificed to become successful all on my own merit and talents. What have you done with your life or provided others except your belittling others? You needn’t answer for we all know!

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

          power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

  • Deerinwater

    I’ve not paid an excessive amount of attention to Oprah. ~ Can’t remember ever watching one of her shows completely thru from beginning to end. It’s not my sort of entertainment, ~ being more of a Jimmy Houston Pro Fishing, or The Red Green Show or Duck Dynasty sort of guy. But I’ve always been amazed by Oparh’s sense of good works and presenting socially “uplifting” programming . That she is most willing to put her money where her mouth is, to carry out theses many good works is a rare sight to see and people love her for her “hands on” approach to solving problems , healing wounds and making right.

    Oparh plants seeds of inspiration to her viewers as she walks the walk and talks the talk. ~ and that there is nothing phony about her. ~~ people know that. ~ They know that she came up the hard way and is self built ~ an American Dream.

    Can you imagine being able to having anything that you want ~ and want to be thin? But you are housed and carrying around a body that is genetically inherent to store fat for any excess? ~ Much like everyone else , over the years, we have watched her fight that personal battle ~ of excessive weight gain. ~ That she has people following her about ` taking pictures constantly ~ it’s hard for American’s to no know what is going on in Shamoo’s life with her pictures plastered everywhere you go.

    Why this desire to defame lager people? ~ Jackie Gleason, John Belushi, John Candi, Chill Wills, were all large people, ~ Richard Boone grew into a monster of a man, ~ Anyone seen Steven Seagal lately? ~ another monster of a man. ~ so why~ do we choose to dwell on Shelly Winters or Oparh’s girth ~ for they are just flesh and bone like everyone else.

    • Smee

      Red Green is DA MAN!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Have you ever heard of PR, Deer? If Oprah truly cared, she would distribute all but a small percentage of her fortune to the poor.

      • Vis Fac

        That’s not what liberals do! They do however spread money around, other people’s money, just not their OWN! (pun intended)

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
        is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

        • Dave

          Did it take you long to come up with that Conservative talking point Force?
          Oprah has donated more money than you will make in your lifetime, built schools for you girls in Africa to get them a chance in society where they would not have.
          But she is not deserving because YOU don’t like her. How very conservative of you.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Why don’t you hire yourself as Oprah’s and O’s tooting horn. You can go before Oprah and O and announce when they are doing their “good deeds”.

          • Deerinwater

            She doesn’t need me ~ and I am here, this is where I do my good work. ~ defending the absent in her stead.

            i know that you would enjoy your Lynch mob to go about unopposed ~ but it’s not going to happen ~~ Sorry

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We wouldn’t know how much she gave away if she was truly charitable. Truly charitable people don’t need brownie points.

          • Deerinwater

            Her motives are not charity ~ but more in tune with a Matriarch David. ~

            But trash her all that you want too ~ you have no effect or say and matter not~ one way or the other, regarding who, what or why “O” does what she does and does it so well.

            She does not require your acceptance, ~ sorta like me.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then begone, Deer.

          • Deerinwater

            hardly a rebuttal at all, more of a concession.

      • Karolyn

        Is that what Ron and Rand Paul do?

        October 2010 – Oprah gives away $40 mil to charity

        http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20448972,00.html

        • securityman

          how much did she earn from all that she “gave away”???? she has never done anything if it did not help her agenda. look at how she helps “your” prez.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          How much of this “charity” does she get back as write offs?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Karolyn asks — “Is that what Ron and Rand Paul do?”.
          Don’t know, Karolyn, but I do know that they don’t run around advocating the confiscation of other peoples’ wealth like you Liberal Progressives do.

          Oprah’s net worth — $2.9 Billion (That’s Billion with a B).
          What percentage of $2.9 Billion is $40 million?
          A little over 1%. Whoopee. A truly concerned Liberal Progressive would donate all but a few million to those who were truly needy.
          By the way, Karolyn, you implied that Oprah gave all that in the month of October. The article didn’t say any such thing. And if her investments returned just 1.3% per annum, she could give that much away every year without diminishing her principle.

          • Karolyn

            You’re right Dave. I’m not saying she’s perfect. if I were her, I would give most of my money away.

            Here’s a rundown of how many charitable organizations she has. http://charity.lovetoknow.com/Charities_of_Oprah_Winfrey
            She has been hailed as one of the most generous people of those in the public eye.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And I would admire that, Karolyn, if she wasn’t running around supporting the Liberal cause of giving other peoples’ money away.

      • Deerinwater

        You can it whatever you wish to call it David. Oprah has invested much more back into society for the betterment of people than people like Rush Limbaugh might ever consider.

        While I personally or you are not an Oprah Winfrey targeted audience, does not take away or diminish her many good works. It’s never been intended that everyone be or need what you or I want or desire.

        Why the attempt to discredit good works? ~ If it was the someone else more in tune with your political bent ~ would it make a difference?

        You say, “If Oprah truly cared, she would distribute all but a small percentage of her fortune to the poor.”

        You know that is pure Bull$hit, ~ You of all people should know, it’s not the “act of give “alone that makes “betterment” possible. People will squander what it given as a rule and be little better for the gift. ~ her given ~ is more in tune with stirring the inter-self to action and “Aspire”

        One of the hardest jobs wealthy people ever attempt to do ~ is to donate to the enrichment of humankind without creating a monster.
        This labor of love and commitment it not motivated by greed but by conscience, a civic conscience that finds it necessary.

        Now, ~ if you can’t fathom this human quality ~ that exist in man, ~ I do understand ~ as just about every word you have written on Bob Livingston Personal Liberties Digest ~ suggest that it’s an alien concept to you.

        It’s been said countless times that this world runs on “Need & Greed” ~ While I cannot argue with that ~ but if that is all one sees as a motivating force in this world, ~ goes a long way in explaining all the bitter unhappiness we read and hear about everyday.

        Peace, joy, and contentment , can’t be bought and can’t be given and that is the central theme behind Oprah’s efforts. Planting seeds of aspiration and providing “tools” for those among us that find themselves in need of such things.

        So you see no personal need for such things? ~ Fine! ~ your abundance in peace and joy is duly noted ~ keeps us advised if that ever changes.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Deer says — “You know that is pure Bull$hit”.
          No Deer, I don’t. Unlike you, I don’t put my comments down if I think they are “Bull$hit”.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, believe it or not David, ~ this world is just full of people that do not go around judging other people solely by what by what these other people can do for them.

            I know that it’s a hard concept for anyone such as yourself to comprehend and I really don’t expect you to, for it’s not “in you”. To offer apathy, one must first posses it, you don’t have it to give. ( I’m sure there is a good explanation for it~ but I really don’t care, I accept you as you say you are)

            The die has been cast in your case Mr. Potter. The world is solely here for your personal needs and to satisfy “your” expectation. I openly accept, that people like yourself exit. Believing that the world might be somehow seen as a better and grand place if everyone was like yourself. I understand you, I got the message ~ you are not a mystery but a rogue element of human nature with a overriding acute sense of “self”.

            A well adjusted mature person, wears many hats. ~ the infant, the child, the adolescent , the parent, the grown-up, the grandparent. ~ Stuck with this view from a single hat is not a healthy or pleasant world to live in. I understand your disenchantment. ~ much better than you seem too.

            This 3 year old’s view of ~ “MINE” ~ is something to grow beyond.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “Well, believe it or not David, ~ this world is just full of people that do not go around judging other people solely by what by what these other people can do for them”.
            That’s a rather odd statement coming from a Liberal Progressive whose eyes are regularly focused on other peoples’ property.
            Good Grief, Deer. Do you have any analytical ability at all?

          • Deerinwater

            ~ David, ~ That your perception of another person’s worth and value is determined solely on what they might be able to offer you , you have made clear countless times.

            Being in disagreement with you about your politics does not make me anything other then your adversity, as i refuse to yield to your ways of viewing the world and the aspirations of mankind.

            Your notions of “Mine” and “others” ~ “ownership” and “freedoms” are twisted all out of sorts. and i can’t help you with that.

            Good fences makes for good neighbors, ~ and it’s people like yourself that make fences necessary as your personal ego and boundaries go unchecked and have no limits.

            That you begrudge the fact that you were born into a world of servitude, where to serve yourself required you to serve others, seems to be something that you can’t see over or get beyond.

            There is an absent of any love in your heart and a huge hole in your soul that can never be filled. There is only one thing that can fill this hole and satisfy this hunger as you search in all the wrong places.

            I pay taxes David , ~ so it’s mine and your money that the government spends, ~ and just like you, ~ I fail to agree on many disbursements, finding them wasteful and unnecessary.

            After the spending habits of an 8 year administration predicated by Oil Interest , destabilizing Muslim nations, and welcoming their displaced refugee with open arm, 980 million dead coalition soldiers with a protracted price tag to exceed 7 trillion dollars. AND Nothing GAINED from it all ~ 44 giving away a few million cell phones to anybody that thinks they might have use for one is peanuts.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “There is an absent of any love in your heart and a huge hole in your soul that can never be filled”.
            This said to a guy who allows people to be Free to make their own choices and keeps his hands out of other people’s pockets, by a guy who votes for Big Government to require “you to serve others” and helps himself to other people’s money.
            Oh yeah, Deer, you are full of Love (NOT). Actions speak louder than words.
            I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be in twisted Liberal Progressive skin.

          • Dave

            And so far DaveH, your and mises…they amount to but a whisper.
            You are an angry guy DaveH which can possibly be linked to you being retired and looking back on your life as being unfullfilling and empty.
            Its sad that you have to resort to name calling and an un-accredited “institute” that employs conjecture and unsupported proof against the global corporate economy the world of today deals in. You also refuse to believe the Hertiage Foundation and CATO institute are conservative/corporatist shills and think tanks who’s only reason to exist is to put forth the propaganda of the Exxon/Mobile’s of the world and Koch Industries.
            You are a fine propoogandist for their cause, trouble is… Reagan was a conservative, his policies expanded the size of the Fed Gov, tripled our debt, and his deregulation along with Clinton’s laid the foundation for the 2008 collapse. But you look at the information from what caused the 2008 collpase and say… “we need more deregulation”. Even though the facts are against you, you still say on the propagandist message. How sad you don’t put the country over your selfish interests. But then corporatists never to care about these United States.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you think anybody on this board really buys your nonsense, Shill Dave?
            More Deregulation? First we need to have “some” to get “more”:
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013

    • red neck

      Go blow your smoke up someone else’s arse!

      • Dave

        Thank god you have the “facts” straight right John?

        • WTS/JAY

          Well somebody has to get the facts straight, Dave. So yes, thank God!

      • Deerinwater

        So ? ~ you don’t approve of the way she spends her money?

        Well? ~ it is her money right?

        or you don’t approve of fats gals? ~ or black fats gals?

        or just anyone that is successful? , black, fat and has a lot of money to spend? ~

        Which is it ~ Bucket Mouth?

        • Bob666

          Yo Deer,
          Maybe it is Big fat black gals that could buy and sell him in a nano-second without breaking a sweat?

          Like you, I am not a big fan of Oprah, but one can’t deny that she has been a very successful business woman and I have to ask if she would be a target on this site if she were a white republican male?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, she/he would be.

          • WTS/JAY

            Maybe with not as much fervour, and only by some. But yes, he/she/it, would definitely get whipped. Btw, were you around for the Bush-whipping?

          • Bob666

            No Jay,
            I was working about twelve hours a day in the “W” era. I believe that you would have to admit that some on this site see color/race as much as they do content of character or lack there of.

            I get a lot of grief in part because i don;t get on the “let’s bash Obama” band wagon. I never voted for him nor do I see him as one of the better presidents in my lifetime. Personally, I believe things were far worse under Jimmy Carter. It’s a toss up between Carter, “W” & Obama as to who gets the award for the worse president in my 71 years.

            From an honorable human being award, I do believe that Carter has lead an exceptional life after the presidency-but that does not mean that I would vote for him if he was running for dog catcher.

            Personally Jay, I believe that Obama got elected in 2008 because of the success (or lack there off) of the “W” administration. Pretty much as Carter was elected because people were sour on Nixon and Ford’s pardon of him.

            As for Oprah, not a big fab-but I respect her success.

            JMHO

      • Deerinwater

        That is probably Karl Rove and his Cross Roads you are feeling around your arse. ~ It must be hard to walk about with anything that big up your butt.

    • Karolyn

      Yes, Deer, I was thinking the same thing as you. Oprah has done a tremendous amount of good. She gives much to charity and started that school for girls in Africa. She has shone a spotlight on spirituality and has been working in cooperation with Deepak Chopra. Watching Oprah helped me to get through some lows in my life. Her protégés, Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz, are doing a tremendous amount of good in this country. I do not agree with everything to do with Oprah, but it appears that the good certainly outweighs the bad. She is someone who rose above her childhood and stands as an example of what people can achieve in this country.

      • securityman

        you and deer in water seem to get along real well. and I guess that it is only right since you are both COMPLETE IDIOTS.

        • Deerinwater

          Right ! ~ I get along with everyone, ~ It’s called coping skills, and accepting the fact that I am not the center of the universe and everyone and everything is not deserving of my judgement. ~

          I’m only responsible for me, what I think, what I say and what I do ~ and no one else ~ just me.

          If the Kouch Brothers ~ were receiving such an award ~ how might you feel? ~ For there again ~ it’s their money and free to spend it however they wish.

        • WTS/JAY

          Deerinwater is not an idiot, securityman. Far from it. That was uncalled for!

          • securityman

            deer in water is an obummer stooge as you seem to be wts/jay. that makes you both idiots. you cannot see how that chief idiot in the WH is killing this country and people like you are helping him. I spent 2 and a half years fighting for this country. not the man in the WH, but FOR THIS COUNTRY. I am not only willing to fight some more for it at my age, but I am as willing to die for it now as I was s back then. you can talk all you want ,but when the stuff hits the fan as it soon will, do not come around me and others like me for the protection that you have no clue about ………

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So according to you Oprah has reached the Pinnacle and as she is such an example to all and such a benefactress why hasn’t it reached you. Right now you should be on the par with her. Why don’t you ask Oprah to pay you for the buildup you gave her on this site. According to you she cares and shares.

        • Karolyn

          If I had wanted what she wanted, I would be where she is. Simple as that!

    • WTS/JAY

      That was a very generous comment on your part, deer. Something i’ve come to expect from you. That’s why i love ya, big daddy! (-:

  • rifge runner

    People who gottickles in various parts of their body, always are the type who follow any BSting moron that are phonier than a $3 dollar bill. The type that follow Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or the jug eared marxist muslim.

  • hungry4food

    If the republicans do not start
    prosecuting this Benghazi scandal now they need to be impeached !!!!!!! Hilary
    needs to be asked about this 400 Missiles shipped to Libya claim NOW !!!

    The
    Benghazi scandal has not made

    a lot
    of sense until now. Why would the Obama Regime spend so much time

    trying
    to cover it up? There is one new shocking development that, if

    true,
    not only explains everything but if true, it means high ranking members

    of the
    Regime should be sent to prison.

    What

    has
    happened? Find out now on The Cold Hard Truth.

    http://ec.libsyn.com/p/a/5/b/a5b75c3ba7794c59/CHT_31.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01cf8133d9c1587af2&c_id=5989324

    • TheOriginalDaveH
      • Vis Fac

        This should come as no surprise to anyone. The US continually educates and arms its enemies not realizing its folly. The US citizenry has fatal short term memory and fails to learn lessons taught by history. Then forgets and it’s business as usual.

        Once jn a great while the US unites for a common cause but unity is ephemeral and eventually gives way to politics. Unity breaks down and one faction will use human carnage to influence popular opinion for political gain, undoing what being united had accomplished.

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
        is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme
        power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Force says — “The US continually educates and arms its enemies not realizing its folly”.
          I think you’re giving them the benefit of the doubt, Force. It’s likely that they know darn well what they’re doing. But they tell us a different story because we wouldn’t like the True Story.

  • Dave

    John Myers,
    As a Canadian who lives in Calgary. Why do you care about who gets the medal of Freedom here?
    Besides making money for John Myers, what good have you done for the world to say that Oprah doesn’t deserve the medal. People get the medal for all sorts of reasons, not just military.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Certainly he’s done more good than a Liberal Progressive shill named Dave, who has the gall to come into somebody else’s house and spit on their guests.

      • Dave

        Really,
        You know this how? Do you know what I have done for RESOLVE? an adoption advocate group to works to make adoption more affordable? Or to support MS, MD, the United Way? Of course not.
        Once again, DaveH8, talks out his hind quarters. Not go pick up your Gov sponsered retirment check as you drive down Gov built roads or do you get the money wired into your checking account via the Gov sponsored internet superhighway DaveH8?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No, I don’t know what you’ve done, Dave, and I also know that I’m not likely to learn it from you, given that you have no credibility. I do know, though, from your comments on this board that you promote spending other peoples’ money and controlling other peoples’ personal choices.
          Dave says — “Not go pick up your Gov sponsered retirment check as you drive down Gov built roads or do you get the money wired into your checking account via the Gov sponsored internet superhighway DaveH8″.
          Obviously you partook of their public schools, Dave.
          Any money I get from the Government, Dave, was taken from me by Government during my lifetime. But I’d be happy to get my lump sum back with just a modest interest for all those years they held my money if you can arrange that, Dave.
          Those Government-built roads were also paid for by me, Dave, and inefficiently built at that. We would have all gotten a lot more bang for our bucks from the private sector.
          And the Internet Superhighway was implemented almost entirely by the private sector. If it had been up to Government, we would still be using telephones and typewriters mostly.

          • Dave

            Dave.
            “Any money I get from the Government, Dave, was taken from me by Government during my lifetime.”
            Now you have money coming in for your retirement… Looks like that “theft” is working out for you.
            Now if you had all your money in the stock market and did business with one Bernie Madoff or another “wall streeter” that rips you off… where are you? Nowhere… But of course you are way too smart for that. Right DaveH8?

            “Those Government-built roads were also paid for by me, Dave, and inefficiently at that. We would have all gotten a lot more bang for our bucks from the private sector.”
            Through taxes to build the infrastructure. And I am calling BS on your private sector thought. The roads get built first, then the business comes in. You want all roads to be toll roads there genius?

            “And the Internet Superhighway was implemented almost entirely by the private sector. If it had been up to Government, we would still be using telephones and typewriters mostly.”
            Again, you are a liar, the internet was funded by the Gov in partnership with education institutions and the military industial complex. Without the Gov, the internet doesn’t happen.
            You get all this from your taxes DaveH8, or as you call it “theft”. If we had your lame brained idea of only have Gov for national defense, we would not be the country we are today. We would be close to China before they industrialized.
            No thank you DaveH8. Stay in the world of theory… reality is just not your thing.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “No thank you DaveH8. Stay in the world of theory… reality is just not your thing”.
            Sure, Dave, whatever you say. If you knew anything about reality, you would just state the facts without manipulation-laden comments.

            As usual, Dave spouts his unsupported conjecture — “Again, you are a liar, the internet was funded by the Gov in partnership with education institutions and the military industial complex. Without the Gov, the internet doesn’t happen”.
            Because you say so, Dave? Again, you have no credibility on this board:
            http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012/07/24/did-government-invent-internet

            Dave says — “The roads get built first, then the business comes in. You want all roads to be toll roads there genius?”.
            Yeah right. “Build it and they will come”. Only that was just a fairy tale in a movie, ignorant Dave. The truth is that without the pricing signals and the business choices of the private sector, Government would build Bridges to Nowhere to benefit a handful of Politically-Connected people. Business people must please their consumers or go out of business. Government people with their monopoly coercive Power could care less about whether they please us or not:
            http://archive.mises.org/7864/the-ineptness-of-centralized-planning/

          • Dave

            Read and learn

            http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/internet-start.htm

            So according to you… A store/business gets built in a field with no way to get to it, then the roads get built. I see… Once again… the real world, not your thing….
            You have no credibility in life.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, all you do is spew out stupidity.

            You’re a complete ignoramus Dave47D(Of the Ignorant, By the Ignorant, For the Ignorant), a self proclaimed global progressive and a willfully ignorant one at that!

            You have no credibility here and you’ve earned it.

          • Dave

            Det back to the gun range Jeffery… Maybe you and Alondra can get on the same meds schedule doofus.

          • JeffH
          • Dave

            I don’t have fear of guns Jeffrey… just mentally unstable morons like you with guns who see a conspiracy behind every corner. They are scary people.
            The Gun range apparently has a calming effect on your neanderthal mind.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            EACH your comment just DISCREDITS and SHAMES you and exposing your STUPIDITY and FEAR.

            Dave, you have to work on your self-esteem

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave is just a shill. He couldn’t spend all the time he does on this board if he really was employed as he has said he is.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Didn’t he say that he is a successful businessman?
            And that he raised “smart” kids with his husband? He just
            claimed that yesterday.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I missed that one. But in the past he has claimed to be in International Sales, and International Technology.
            For the last three years that I’ve been commenting on PL, the most common claim for Liberal Professions has been that they have their own businesses. Odd, isn’t it? I think that’s what their boiler room leaders teach them to say.

          • Dave

            Maybe one day you will understand how the real world works DaveH and maybe your handlers will allow you independent thought. In conservativeland, that thought is scary.
            What was your prvious profession DaveH not that you are retired? I am in international technology sales since you are too dense to put 2 and 2 together… But after Reagan, your hero… its understandable that you are crappy at math.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Propaganda sales? You sure don’t have the time to do any real work with all your commenting.

          • Dave

            Its called time management and multi-tasking there DaveH8

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You mean you troll other boards than Personal Liberty?

          • Dave

            Nope DaveH8, just making money…But its fun making fun of moronic conservatives like you.

          • WTS/JAY

            It’s called bull-chitting, Dave!

          • WTS/JAY

            How does a putz like you run a business and manage to find the time to blog for 10hr straight every day, Dave? If you truly do run a business, it must be in the toilet by now! Lol!

          • WTS/JAY

            The fool doesn’t run a business! I know people who run a business(s) and they certainly don’t have the luxury of time to spent 10 hours a day blogging. The man is a chronic liar!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Their leaders teach them to LIE, DECIT, CHEAT, smear, demonize, bully, insult, ridicule intimidate and terrorize opponents and critics.

            The Missouri chapter of the NAACP is DEMANDING the Secret Service and the DOJ conduct an investigation
            into an incident where a rodeo clown at the Missouri State Fair donned an obama mask before being chased by bulls.

            The Rodeo group President RESIGNS after clown’s Obama skit http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/08/13/Rodeo-group-president-resigns-after-clowns-Obama-skit/UPI-30641376438210/

            What is this? We can’t make fun of the “anointed” one. They are reacting like muslims on the mahommed cartoon. Is this a muslim country?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They are simply revealing their true colors, Alondra. The smart people will see them for what they are. The rest will just resume their positions at the trough.

          • JeffH

            I like your approach DaveH…let ‘em keep posting so everyone can see just how dumb they can be.

            FYI, I found a video of Dave47D and his fellow progressive shills discussing their strategy.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d3N7cs4-zg

            Notice how they all sound alike?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            They are repeating their mantras and talking points. Amazing unison.

            The same way they will go to their slaughter.

          • Dave

            Raising kids with my wife of 15 years… Jealous?
            You claim you are a Christian… you clearly are not with your anger issues and prejudices.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How do you have so much time to comment, Shill Dave?
            Come on, Fess up. We regulars know you’re really a Shill. Come clean, it will make you feel more like a human.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep talking, deranged. I know you hate Christianity and Christians and the fact that they “cling” to their Bibles and “guns”.

            Read your koran.

          • Dave

            LOL… you are the one that proudly wears the “phobia’ banner dear…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            LOL? It just makes you look like the buffoon you are, Shill Dave.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yes, I do, Dave. I am very PROUD Naturalized American,
            Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot, the Tea Party Lover (in any sense), definite Homo“PHOBE” & Islamo“PHOBE”, the PC snubber and the Hater of the VOLUNTARY Stupidity
            and Idiocy as yours, Karolyn’s, Yo Moron666, Jeffry, smilee, KG, Ron r and alike.

            I am ready for your next liberal rent, just please check if you do not have leak of Botox from your brain.

            Chao, Alondra

          • Dave

            Ignorant and fearful… the cornerstone of conservatism.
            you just proved what an idiot you are (AGAIN)

          • Dave

            pho·bi·a
            /ˈfoʊbiə/ Show Spelled

            a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
            Do I have to define irrational for you do I?

          • Dave

            Do you know what the term “phobia” means unbalanced Alondra?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            As I suspected – You have leak in your brain.
            Who is raising your children if you are working here full time + overtime? Your husband?

            Just wandering.

          • Dave

            Ad hominem

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave, the problem is that Libtards invent labels without fully understand what the words mean in reality, but they are eager to make them sound “scary” with the one purpose: people would not like to be labeled by those “scary names”, so they would go along with the DEMONcrats/Libtards’ PC, which in reality is DEMONcratic CENSORSHIP.

            In Reality, Dave, DEMONcrats/LIBtards are demanding that people surrender their convictions and beliefs, but they want to maintain theirs. It’s a liberals’ trick #1.

            Liberals also are demanding tolerance. But according
            DEMONcrats and LIBtards the tolerance should be ONE WAY: “Be tolerant of my intolerance”

            By other words: “Tolerance for me, but NOT FOR THEE”.
            This is Liberals’ trick #2.

            TOLERANCE is the VIRTUE of the man WITHOUT CONVICTIONS.” – Gilbert K. Chesterton

            So, MY “cornerstone”, Dave, is “do not please the silly, unwise and knocked out by their ignorance jerks like you.”

          • JeffH

            The ignoramus Dave47D says “I don’t have fear of guns Jeffrey… just mentally unstable morons like you with guns who see a conspiracy behind every corner. They are scary people.”

            Hmmmmmm, the FBI doesn’t see me as unstable. My doctor doesn’t see me as unstable. The people supervising the gun ranges don’t see me as unstable.

            Based on my stellar 50+ year safety record with guns
            me thinks you are cooking your books way too much…that’s what’s scary.

            Besides all of that Dave47D, you’re lying again!

            And that, folks, is a good example of why ignorant progressives like Dave47D lack any credibility.

          • Ron G

            The sign of a true liberal. Start calling everyone who dares to disagree with them names.

          • Dave

            LOL… then JeffH, DaveH, Force Recon, Alondra, Jay, and the rest must be liberal too… who knew?

          • Ron G

            Only after putting up with all your comments half of which were insults and putting people down.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Nothing wrong with JeffH going to the gun range, he just sharpens his skills.. So how is that an insult?
            And haven’t you been told not to lie.
            Your comment tells on how stupid you are and how desperate you are because there are people who don’t love your O.

          • JeffH

            Nadz, I agree…they only think they’re clever…insulting me they’re not…insulting every ignorant liberal/progressive they are.

          • Dave

            Nothing wrong with the gun range Nads… It helps idiots like Jeffery concentrate better so he doesn’t come off so crazy like he does here.

          • independent thinker

            TheOriginalDaveH has more credibility than you can ever hope to have Dave. And no I do not agree with everything he says but he still makes more sense than you ever will. A road in not built randomly across empty space. It is built to connect two centers of commerce whether large or small.

          • Dave

            If you buy his Kool-Aid… of course the brainwashed will believe…
            Do you believe economic conditions are similar to the 1800’s? DaveH does
            Do you believe that Gov’s only role is national defense and the rest can be handled by the private sector? DaveH does.
            Just because he gives you a mises link doesn’t mean its correct.
            DaveH claims that he is not a corporatist but then trouts out the Heritage and CATO institute and who pays their bills? Corporatists…
            DaveH has you fooled and I understand that with conservatives, its not hard to do. But open your eyes man…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “Do you believe economic conditions are similar to the 1800’s? DaveH does”.
            No, DaveH does not believe that. Shill Dave is lying as usual.

            Shill Dave says — “Do you believe that Gov’s only role is national defense and the rest can be handled by the private sector?”.
            Close but still wrong. Government’s only legitimate role is to protect citizens from Force — External or Internal.

            Shill Dave says — “DaveH claims that he is not a corporatist but then trouts out the Heritage and CATO institute and who pays their bills? Corporatists”.
            Maybe, Maybe not. But Dave should post some kind of evidence to support his claims that they are Crony Capitalists (Corporatists). They would be strange Corporatists indeed if they were lobbying for much less Government, thus less protection for themselves from competition. Maybe ignorant Dave just doesn’t understand what a “corporatist” is? But the fact that I link to their articles has nothing to do with whether I support them or not. Shill Dave just knows that he can’t rebut their facts, so he does what Liberal Progressive Shills always do — ad hominem attacks.

          • Dave

            We will take the Koch Brothers as an example. They spend HUGE dollars in political campiagns

            http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000186

            they lobby congress to put forth their business interests…
            Who are major funders of the Heritage Foundation?
            The Koch Brother’s Foundation alonmg with Exxon-Mobile
            Who is part owner of the CATO Institute? The Koch Brothers…
            If you care enough, you will see at crony capitalists are all up in both organizations DaveH holds dear…
            DaveH does believe that the 1800’s are similar to today because most of the examples DaveH submits here has 1800 era economoics to justify their theory. Check out his links…
            DaveH,
            Please cite examples of big business taking care of the environment, negotiating trade deals, ensuring worker safety on their own, building infrastructure on their own.
            This will be good for a laugh.
            DaveH has theory and that is it. No reality, no credibility

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “DaveH does believe that the 1800’s are similar to today because most of the examples DaveH submits here has 1800 era economoics to justify their theory”.
            Most of your conjecture, Shill Dave, resembles the garbage put out by the Middle-Ages despots. So can I logically say you want tyranny? You make no sense, as usual, Shill Dave.

            Shill Dave says — “We will take the Koch Brothers as an example. They spend HUGE dollars in political campiagns”.
            How do you know where their contributions go, Dave?
            Do they contribute to Politicians who promise less Government, or do they get special favors from Government? Just citing their campaign contributions has no bearing at all as to whether they are Crony Capitalists or Market Capitalists.
            And besides that, as I said, whether they are Crony Capitalists, or not, has no bearing on whether the articles written by those institutions are true or not. If you truly had any legs to stand on, Shill Dave, you would refute the points in the articles rather than making your ad hominem attacks.

          • Dave

            Do your research DaveH, you are retired… they have pushed for lessening the polution regulations (benefits their industry) and push to kill unions (also good for them alone).
            You are sailing the sea of denial.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Shill Dave, you are making the claims — You provide the proof.
            There should be no pollution regulations, only pollution laws. Congress was established as the law-making body in this country, and they should not be passing their authority to create those laws onto un-elected bureaucrats.
            Killing violent coercive Unions is a good thing.

          • Dave

            Of course cowards like you won’t look up what your heroes the Koch Brothers are doing with their money in politics… because it undermines your credibility and ideology even further DaveH8

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m waiting for your evidence, Shill Dave.
            And I’m also waiting for you to tell me how their political affiliations have anything to do with the facts they claim?
            I always taught my kids that they should listen to what anybody has to say because they can even learn new things from mentally retarded people. And no, Shill Dave, I’m not going to refer to you as mentally retarded. That would be an insult to mentally retarded people.

          • Dave

            Here you go coward DaveH8,

            06:50 AM – July 8, 2013

            What the Koch brothers’ spending tells us

            The Investigative Reporting Workshop’s in-depth report, “The Koch Club,” underscores a shift in political giving

            By Sasha Chavkin

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            Few political donors have drawn greater scrutiny than the Koch brothers, the chemical manufacturing moguls whose lucrative support of conservative causes has made them poster children of how megadonors influence politics.

            The ample coverage of the Koch brothers’ activities got a boost last week with one of its most exhaustive entries to date: a new report entitled “The Koch Club,” by Charles Lewis and the Investigative Reporting Workshop. Lewis and his colleagues reviewed five years of political and charitable donations by the Kochs, Koch Industries and the wide network of related foundations and charities that critics have dubbed the “Kochtopus.” Their most striking finding is not the quantity of spending—$134 million is hardly chump change, but megadonor Sheldon Adelson spent about $100 million in 2012 alone—but the way the money was targeted.

            The vast majority of the Kochs’ political spending was not sent directly to political parties or candidates, found Lewis and his colleagues, but instead toward nonprofits, lobbying and universities. The discrepancy is striking: only $8.7 million went directly to political parties and candidates, while $53.9 million went to lobbying, $41.2 million to nonprofit organizations and an annual libertarian conference, and $30.5 million to US colleges and universities. Combined, the Kochs spent more than $14 on lobbying, nonprofits and education for every $1 they gave directly to politicians.

            Of course, its hardly breaking news that the world of campaign finance has been upended in recent years, with its center of gravity shifting away from political candidates and parties. But the overwhelming preponderance of donations to nontraditional sources by two of the country’s most sophisticated political donors sends a clear signal that journalists—and good government watchers—would do well to note.

            Perhaps the most crucial lesson of “The Koch Club” is this: that its authors’ painstaking work of untangling complex donation structures is becoming a bread and butter element of money in politics reporting, along with tracking contributions to candidates. The Koch brothers’ vast wealth does not make them outliers: as an eye-opening report by the Sunlight Foundation found last week, fully 28% of disclosed political contributions in 2012 came from elite donors who constitute “the 1% of the 1%” of contributors. While other megadonors may lack the Kochs’ wide infrastructure and desire for secrecy, a number of them are likely to start catching up.

            To make matters even more daunting, both the Sunlight Foundation and “The Koch Club” note that a significant part of the money directed toward nonprofits is “dark money” that can hardly be tracked through public disclosures. “The Koch Club” cites news reports that the Kochs are currently setting up two new nonprofit groups whose 501(c)6 tax status will allow them escape disclosure requirements almost entirely.

            For campaign finance reporters, this may be the most enduring and under-recognized legacy of Citizens United, related court decisions, and the ongoing financing shift away from political parties and candidates. It’s not just that individuals can spend more, but, increasingly, that Herculean efforts like the Investigative Reporting Workshop’s two-year-long Koch investigation are necessary to determine where their money is going.

            http://hamptonroads.com/2013/07/koch-brothers-odious-influence

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/08/koch-brothers-lobbying

            http://www.policymic.com/articles/28175/what-do-the-koch-brothers-do-after-spending-643-million-and-losing-double-down

            There are your heroes Corporatist DaveH8

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And? What makes a Crony Capitalist, Shill Dave, is that they get subsidies, targeted regulations, and other special protections from competition and failure by the Government. You know, like GE getting special regulations from the Obama administration — e.g. energy regulations favoring products which GE produces. Things like that.
            The Koch Brothers on the other hand support Libertarian causes like Free Markets. No Crony Capitalist wants Free Markets. They much prefer special favors from their Crony Politicians over the rigors of a competitive marketplace.
            Your comment falls flat, Shill Dave, for anybody who really knows what is going on.

          • Dave

            Wait Wait… so you are telling me Koch Industries have no tax loopholes or competitive advanatges that they helped lobby for that puts more money in their pockets?
            Now you really are out to lunch… I guess that 53Million (that we know of) in Capital Hill lobbying last year was just to say thinks for moving to more of a liberatrian platform?
            No Corporatist DaveH8, they want their agenda prosecuted and that agenda is to make more money for Koch Iindustries.
            You comments have ZERO merit here in the real world and if you weren’t such a corporatist shill, you would join me in reducing the amount of money in the political process. Instead you support big corporate money and the destruction of Unions so the corporations are the only voice left on Capital Hill. I have your number corporatist DaveH8.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave, you have still given us no evidence that Koch Industries receives any special protections or aid from Big Government.
            I know — So what’s new?
            Are you against the special favors that GE is receiving, Shill Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            In the early 1800s, before Government convinced ignorant people that their coercive force was necessary for the economy, companies built their own roads so their customers could reach them.
            http://mises.org/journals/scholar/internal.pdf

            For the more ambitious readers:
            http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf

            Those who want to see just how ignorant Dave is (or wants you to be) should read this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

            Everybody who reads what I linked to will know just how ignorant or mischievous you are, Dave.
            By the way, don’t you ever work, Dave? I mean you tell us one day you are in International Sales, and on another day International Technology, but you harass us constantly. Of course, the regular readers know that your most likely job is Propagandist Shill.

          • independent thinker

            The roads were built to connect existing commercial centers both large and small. A side effect of building those roads was increased commercial activity. If there had not been some kind of commercial center whether thousands of people and the attendant manufacturing and retail activity or only a few dozen people there would be no reason to build the roads.
            As far as toll roads go you pay for the roads either way through taxes or through the tolls. Oklahoma built many roads as toll roads and now that they are paid off they are free for anyone to travel on.

          • securityman

            when was the last time that you were on a toll road in Okla. and did not have to pay? I traveled on one of them last week, and know for a fact that it was paid for a long time ago, and still paid the toll. there is no state in this country that is going to give up the money they get from toll roads, no matter how many times those roads are paid for.

          • independent thinker

            When my daughter was in vet school at OSU I travelled on one that was an ex toll road and one that was relatively new and still a toll road.

          • TIME

            Dear SM,
            Try the toll’s from Long Island to NYC, NJ, or Conn, man talk about Highway robbery!
            The bridge tolls were originally set up to pay for “bridge repairs / up keep.”
            Sadly now its all for “Government aid” and yet even with the millions taken in daily, its still not even close to enough.
            { Yet the bridges and roads are falling apart.}
            Then add in all the local Nassau County Tax’s, keep in mind we had the reduced rate, thus we paid out well over $100.000.00 – per year.
            Oddly – the TAX’S were going up when we sold our home and left Long Island. yet – Nassau County is BROKE.
            Peace and Love

          • Dave

            IT,
            DaveH thinks the private sector will build the roads and charge tolls on all of them forever… wouldn’t you like that?
            You drive from work to home….
            The company that built the road from the office to a connector (toll)
            A different company built the road from the connector to a main throughfair (Toll)
            The main throughfair to the interstate (Tolls to get on and off the interstate)
            Then the same thing again from the interstate to your home from the interstate
            Everyday…
            Since there is no competition on the road that the private company built, they can charge whatever the market will take so you pay more and more everyday… why? because the profit making company has you over a barrel.
            That is DaveH’s fantasy world at work. DaveH has no clue how societies work and how Gov functions… He is just hopping mad that he has to pay taxes

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “DaveH thinks the private sector will build the roads and charge tolls on all of them forever… wouldn’t you like that?”
            As usual Shill Dave fabricates facts out of whole cloth. I never said any such thing. If they did charge outrageous prices people would just take another route. And in this day and age of electronics, people could easily subscribe monthly or yearly and put an RFID sticker on their car for non-stop access to the toll roads.
            Private Enterprise, being the dynamo that it is, would probably even establish some agencies that had cover-all stickers for any road you might choose to take, as well as toll booths for those infrequent trips on rarely used roads. Who knows what wondrous ways Free Markets would establish to keep their customers happy.
            One thing is for sure — The overall expense would be much less than we pay for Government Monopoly roads.

            Shill Dave says — “Since there is no competition on the road that the private company built, they can charge whatever the market will take so you pay more and more everyday… why? because the profit making company has you over a barrel”.
            That may well be one of the most ignorant things I’ve heard Shill Dave say. No wonder he sticks to ad hominem attacks most of the time.
            Is there any private company that has you more “over a barrel” than Monopoly Big Government?

          • Dave

            You are a liar… you said the purpose of gov should be just for defense… external and internal.

            That leaves the private sector for all other duties.

            “Since there is no competition on the road that the private company built, they can charge whatever the market will take so you pay more and more everyday… why? because the profit making company has you over a barrel”.
            You say its ignorant DaveH, care to explain why? If only one company has a road from your house to a connector road, they have a monopoly on your transportation route… Oh I forgot, corporatist shills don’t believe monopolies can exist in the free market.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I did explain why, numbnuts, it is just too much for your pea-sized brain to grasp.
            One road does not a monopoly make. And the irony to your ignorant comment is that the Government is a more coercive monopoly than any that you fear in the private sector. You just have no cognitive power, Shill Dave.
            From the Libertarian Manifesto:
            “At this point in the discussion, someone is bound to raise the question: If streets are owned by street companies, and granting that they generally would aim to please their customers with maximum efficiency, what if some kooky or tyrannical street owner should suddenly decide to block access to his street to an adjoining homeowner? How could the latter get in or out? Could he be blocked permanently, or be charged an enormous amount to be allowed entrance or
            exit? The answer to this question is the same as to a similar problem about land-ownership: Suppose that everyone owning homes surrounding someone’s property would suddenly not allow him to go in or out? The answer is that everyone, in purchasing homes or street service in a libertarian society, would make sure that the purchase or lease contract provides full access for whatever term of years is specified. With this sort of “easement” provided in advance by contract, no such sudden blockade would be allowed, since it would be an invasion of the property right of the landowner”.
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf
            Yeah, Shill Dave, I know, here comes the ad hominem attack.
            As a matter of fact, I own such a property. To get to my property I must travel over my neighbor’s land, but the easement for me to do so is written into my ownership contract.

          • Dave

            BS Dave, more of your conjecture at work… there is mainly one road that takes you from your home to a connector road. When you are the only player in that market, your customer service skills deminish… Proof?
            Go to Washington DC and try and get Comcast to be responsive to your requests… They have a lock on cable lines in the city.
            Come join us in the real world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The real world of twisted Liberal Progressive logic? I think I’ll pass, Shill Dave.
            Shill Dave says — “Go to Washington DC and try and get Comcast to be responsive to your requests… They have a lock on cable lines in the city”.
            Hmmm, Dave is familiar with Washington DC. Of course.
            So Dave gives us an example of Crony Capitalism — Government protecting their Crony Capitalists — and he thinks that supports anything he’s said against Freedom? Go figure.

          • Dave

            As I thought corporatist boy.
            I gave you an example when one company has a monopoly. You have nothing to say about that reality… Go look ses conjecture again and tell us why monopolies can’t exist in a “free market” again… Its good comedy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What reality, Ignoramus? The only way that company can have a monopoly is with the Force of Government. What’s comical is you thinking anybody buys your nonsense.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “Now if you had all your money in the stock market and did business with one Bernie Madoff or another “wall streeter” that rips you off… where are you?”.
            How could that happen? I thought the Progressives were going to protect us from evil? I mean, we pay those suckers 40% of our GDP, and they can’t even stop a con like Bernie? I want my money back.

          • Vis Fac

            Original Dave: Liberal Dave thinks everything the government provides is free never understanding why those of us who pay more in taxes in a year than he would in his entire lifetime can be so ignorant to where this money actually comes from.

            As a small business owner who despite all the regulations imposed by the federal and state governments actually did build my own business sees people like Liberal Dave as moronic parasites feeding off others.

            Some of us business owners actually served in the armed forces and were decorated combat veterans. We were not given any “special favors” but still manage to contribute to many charitable organizations too. We usually don’t brag about doing so as Liberal Dave does.

            I suppose you have to go public with your charitable donations to be worthy of any accolades. Personally I prefer to stay on the sidelines and enjoy the happiness of those who receive needed assistance without them knowing where it came from.

            Liberal Dave it seems, needs validation!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme
            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            No Force,
            There is no such thing as a free lunch. In DaveH’s world, your Gov is only responsible for national defense… In DaveH’s world, the “free market” handles the rest.
            Its about as realistic as mises theory….
            I believe Gov has a role in life since we elect those people to represent us, Business has a role as does Unions.
            And if you are paying attention Force which you are not….DaveH called me out for what I have done. I merely gave some of the things I have done. If me stating RESOLVE gets you to look it up and gets you involved, great… DaveH does the same as a paid shill for Mises.
            You don’t brag? Is that why you can’t use your name and use the “Force Recon” as your identifier? because you don’t brag?

          • Vis Fac

            Dave H is right you are dead wrong The government is in place to provide for the “national defense and nothing more. You seem to think that since government is in everyone’s business they belong there. The government is in everyone’s business because liberals believe they have the right (and obligation) to dictate policy.

            Nothing can be further from the truth. Liberals have no common sense or responsibility for if they did there would be no violence debt or crime. Everyone would have a quality education and our streets would be paved in gold..

            Instead we have higher debt the dumbest population and the most violent crime. Liberals are willing to protect money not a human life . So much for progressiveness

            However I paid for many a liberals’ free lunch through my taxes. When I first started my firm it took several years to turn a profit I could have turned a profit in two years but for all the taxes you liberals stole from me and others like me.

            What have you done? Nothing out of the ordinary or spectacular that others haven’t. The true meaning of benevolence is to donate anonymously as I do. I don’t need the validation you need. You crow as if you are the most benevolent person on earth.

            I am not going to engage in a peeing (for the moderator) contest with you but I know for certain I have paid more taxes and donated more time money and assets to charity that you will in several lifetimes. I do this (except pay taxes) ANONYMOUSLY.

            I cannot help it if you cannot think of a user name on these forums. My user name reflects an era of my life and what I had accomplished in government service. Service I might add you are too cowardly and unwilling to perform. Talk about being selfish would contain this little tidbit about you and your character! Selfish people brag and promote their benevolence as you have done here. You did so to make a point I added my comment to let you know what most of us think of you. YOU AIN’T ALL THAT!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            “The government is in place to provide for the “national defense and nothing more. You seem to think that since government is in everyone’s business they belong there. The government is in everyone’s business because liberals believe they have the right (and obligation) to dictate policy.

            Nothing can be further from the truth. Liberals have no common sense or responsibility for if they did there would be no violence debt or crime. Everyone would have a quality education and our streets would be paved in gold..

            Instead we have higher debt the dumbest population and the most violent crime. Liberals are willing to protect money not a human life . So much for progressiveness

            However I paid for many a liberals’ free lunch through my taxes. When I first started my firm it took several years to turn a profit I could have turned a profit in two years but for all the taxes you liberals stole from me and others like me.”
            —————————
            Oh, I didn’t realize you were trying to be funny until I read this BS above. Thanks for clueing me in that you were trying to be funny.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Better funny than pathetic, like you are, Dave. So how is it that you have so much time to pester us? Don’t you have work to do on International sales or something?

          • Dave

            I am doing that as I am making you look think the paid shill for an unproven unrealistic theoretical un-accredited institute that nobody in the real world gives to figs about.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What? I don’t understand Ebonics, Dave.

          • Vis Fac

            I think it is about time we rechristened Dave to “DUMB Dave”

            Reality to him and most all other liberals can be described as what they glean from those so called reality shows like Survivor”

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think Survivor is educational for all people who think we still have a moral country:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • Vis Fac

            TODH That link brought back very painful memories for me. We are an Amoral nation I know because I lost my youngest son to a career felon who was let off by a liberal judge a week before. The grounds that there wasn’t enough evidence to hold that scumbag for trial

            This particular individual liked to carjack people and steal their wallets and purses then go back to their homes and rob them, sometimes at gunpoint. The people who were carjacked and robbed were afraid of reprisal so they said they weren’t sure if this guy did it or not. Despite the record several burglaries and assaults the judge dismissed the charges and let this scumbag go.

            So now I have one less child because of amoral people and liberal judges. I do know this scumbag was caught robbing someones house and paid with his life because he tried to rob my house using my son’s keys. He made the fatal mistake of entering my daughter’s room and stood over her as she slept. End of story!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry to hear about your son, Force.

          • Vis Fac

            Thanks There is a huge hole I carry around because if liberal tenet. Had these people done what needed to be done I still might have my son with me.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Well we all understand your intelligence level if you think that if only conservatives were in charge of the show, everything would be fine…
            Guess what? you criminals had your chance from 2001-2006 when you had the WH, Congress and the SC. How did that work out?
            Your hero GWB let us get attacked on 9/11 and used 9/11 to get us into the Iraq debacle. China says “thank you America for spilling your blood and treasure so that we can have the oil contracts”
            How many spending bills were vetoed by Bush 2 from the conservative GOP Congress??? O
            See I know this is a conservative site and there is always fun you conservatives have when you get into a circle j*rk but see, you conservatives have this thing called a record… and from Reagan cut and running in Lebanon after 0ver 200 Marines get blown to bits and tripling our National debt with HIS policies… not leftover Carter policies… to the worst President we have had in 150 years, George W Bush, you guys have a clear record of failure.
            But you are a good conservative solider, and nothing… not even facts will ruin your historical re-write.

          • Vis Fac

            Dumb Dave:
            Facts to a liberal are those that are pulled out of thin air to swathe their ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates they make things up as they go so they can blame others for their failures. Nothing is ever ODUMBO’s or the DUMBOCRITES fault right? So whenever you/they have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate your/their positions you/they simply fall back on the Federal Board for Blaming Bush.. Then all your/their liberal inadequacies are soon to be forgotten Keep up the good work Sparky your liberal cohorts must be proud of you.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme
            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Simpleton Recon,
            Please show me where I blamed Bush for the economy? But lying is nothing new for you morally bankrupt conservatives…
            What is Obama’s fault:
            Second bank bailout
            Re-upping the Patriot Act and expanding it.
            Security failures (State Dept) in Libya.
            Not submitting a formal brief against the Citizen’s United Decision
            using the military over Libya without proper congressional oversight
            Justice dept going after the press overreach
            Not pushing hard enough for Guantanamo’s closing
            Liberal use of drones is soverign nations airspace.
            Those are just some of the things Obama is responsible for.
            Its dumazzes like you who think Conservatism and Conservatives do nothing wrong. Your comrade DaveH even goes so far to call George W Bush a progressive. That is how far liars like him will go to protect the conservative idealogy.
            You are just a conservative simpleton unwilling to accept responsibility for your ideology’s history and massive failures.

          • Vis Fac

            C’Mon Dumb They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery one can get. So I will take that as a compliment for being correct in assessing you and your character. by your feeble attempt at a weak come back. Simpleton Recon? Is that the best you could come up? I/we shouldn’t be surprised with you liberals needing so much help from lame stream media because you attended liberal indoctrination camp as a child and as a result can’t function without support.

            You being a liberal we all know you cant provide a solution at any problem so you fall back on your usual modus operandi of enacting more ineffective statutes and when that doesn’t work blame everyone but yourselves.

            George Bush WAS a progressive in the terms you liberals label your selves. Sen John MC Lame of AZ is a liberal progressive as well

            It has been proven that LIBERAL TENET is an utter failure. I only need mention Detroit 100% liberally managed for fifty years is now bankrupt. The end result of what happens under Democratic control and economic policy. Chicago will be next then The PRC All are run by Democrats all have strict gun control all have high taxes and economic problems and you liberals think this is being progerssive?
            In answer to your challenge. Yes; Conservatives do a much better job than you liberals could EVER dream of doing.

            Your credibility is now down in the minus area it is best you refrain from posting lest you look to be a bigger fool that you’ve demonstrated thus far.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You give “to figs about.”

          • Vis Fac

            This is the thing with the cerebrally necrotic liberal you have trouble distinguishing fact from fallacy. What you perceive to be BS (as you say I provided in my comment) is in fact FACT

            You are the product of the liberal one dimensional indoctrination camps posing as public schools. You cannot help it if you are ignorant to facts haven’t taken a government or history class because they want you the way you are –Stupid and uninformed. That way they can blow smoke up your behind and feed you slop and you eagerly eat it up because the government provided it for you (anything free right?).

            Reality is going to smack you between your beady little eyes and shock the snot out of you. I will be there to laugh when it happens.

            Enjoy your blissful state of denial (one of ODUMBO’S 57) while you are able, cause you are going to squeal like the liberal pig you are when you find out the truth.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

        • trugrits

          government sponsored check? who do you think sponsors the government? Do you think the govt. has one penny in “my account” I paid into SS or Medicaid?
          Now that so many are retiring, many because nobody will hire them due to their age, the govt. wants to balk and cry because they are having to pay out some of the billions paid into an account they have already spent.
          You even think I should be grateful to be able to drive on the roads MY taxes paid for.

          You are exactly like the govt in that you want to take the pat on the back for everything. Look at me! If it wasn’t for ME life would be so much worse for others. Look at all the good works I have done while all you takers complain. You have the wrong impression of who the takers are.

          • Dave

            Trugrits,
            This is a long standing conversation DaveH and I have had, you are missing a great deal of context.
            DaveH believes the only mission of Gov should be national defense… Private industry can police itself, pay you a fair wage and respect the environment, negotiate trade deals with other governments.
            DaveH does not live in the real world, he lives in the theoretical wworld of his employer mises…

          • Jeff

            DaveH and his mises crew have been described in terms more eloquent than ever seen on this blog by Gore Vidal when describing one of their patron saints, Ayn Rand:

            “The late Gore Vidal would not have been surprised by the former Republican vice-presidential candidate’s [Paul Ryan] choice of a patron saint. After all, it was Vidal who observed, in a 1961 article for Esquire:

            ‘She has a great attraction for simple people who are puzzled by organized society, who object to paying taxes, who dislike the ‘welfare’ state, who feel guilt at the thought of the suffering of others but who would like to harden their hearts. For them, she has an enticing prescription: altruism is the root of all evil, self-interest is the only good, and if you’re dumb or incompetent that’s your lookout.'”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What a numbnuts. Ayn Rand was not a Libertarian. She was an Objectionist. In fact she was opposed to Libertarians.
            Facts? Jeff don’t need no damn facts.

          • Jeff

            I take it you’ve heard of a distinction without a difference.

          • Jeff

            To a Trotskyite, nothing was more loathesome than a Stalinist. The Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks fought bitter battles over minor points of doctrine as did the Communists and Socialists in the U.S. in the ’30s. From a bit of altitude, it’s easy to see their differences pale in comparison with the similarities.
            As Henry Kissinger once said (perhaps the only truth he uttered while in office) of disagreements among academics: “The battles are so fierce because the stakes are so small.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What is the Libertarian philosophy, Jeff?

          • Jeff

            That’s a little like asking what a vegetarian is. I say it’s someone who eats no animal products and you’ll tell me your uncle was a vegetarian who ate chicken and fish. But since you asked so nicely, Libertarians believe we’re all contracting agents responsible only for ourselves and that Government is essentially unnecessary or necessary only for the common defense. Or, more correctly, only necessary for those things the individual Libertarian deems “necessary.”
            Now, one of the original Libertarian theorists was your hero Murray Rothbard. Terms often associated with Mr. Rothbard are “Anarcho-Capitalism,” historical revisionism, the State as robber, private policing, and private property anarchist. Mr. Rothbard was completely enamored of Ayn Rand in the mid-50s until they separated over doctrinal differences. Rothbard was so effusive in his praise of “Atlas Shrugged” that it could make one blush: “an infinite treasure trove” and “one of the very greatest books ever written.”
            What is interesting about Rothbard is his break with Mises came over a point of morality. He believed it was immoral to permit a man to sell himself into slavery. Presumably Mises believes otherwise. What say you, Dave?
            And, as is so often the case with figures on the far right, Rothbard was a little to comfy with Holocaust Deniers just as the Mises founder is way too comfortable with White Supremist ideology. Rothbard was a great supporter of Harry Elmer Barnes, once a respected historian who discredited himself through Holocaust Denial. I’m not saying Rothbard was a denier himself, but the company you keep tells a lot.
            As I’ve stated before, I think Libertarianism is a good starting point, but it’s rarely a good end point in a discussion. In order for a market or a society to work well, it is important to have rules to keep the strong from overpowering the weak. If you dislike Government intrusion, how would you like to see a society where private interests, accountable to no one, have the power to demand tribute. If you don’t think that’s possible, read Eliot Spitzer’s new book. No, it has nothing to do with prostitution.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Or, more correctly, only necessary for those things the individual Libertarian deems “necessary.”
            And Jeff thinks Government is necessary for those things he deems “necessary”. Welcome to politics. That’s why we Libertarians know that the Least Government is the Best Government. Everybody has their own ideas as to how best to spend other peoples’ money.
            To put the Libertarian Philosophy in a nutshell — We believe that people have the natural right to control their own bodies and their own property absent the coercive Force of Government busybodies (like Jeff), as long as we don’t physically trespass on the bodies and property of others.

            Jeff says — “Rothbard was so effusive in his praise of “Atlas Shrugged” that it could make one blush: “an infinite treasure trove” and “one of the very greatest books ever written.””.
            Funny, Jeff, but I couldn’t find that quote anywhere. Do you have a reference?
            From:
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard
            “He wrote in criticism of Ayn Rand’s “misty devotion to the Big Businessman” that she: “is too committed emotionally to worship of the Big Businessman-as-Hero to concede that it is precisely Big Business that is largely responsible for the twentieth-century march into aggressive statism”.

            If you want to know how Rothbard really thought, read his books. Don’t get your info from a biased Liberal Progressive. Here’s just one of many:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf
            Or go here and pick one:
            http://mises.org/Literature/Author/299/Murray-N-Rothbard

            Jeff says — “Rothbard was a little to comfy with Holocaust Deniers just as the Mises founder is way too comfortable with White Supremist ideology”.
            That is the typical kind of slanderous lie we can expect from Liberal Progressives like Jeff.
            I challenge you to back that slander up, Jeff, you Creepy Bastard.

          • Jeff

            Wow, you really are in love with Rothbard, aren’t you? I told you exactly which Holocaust Denier he embraced, and specifically did NOT say he was one himself. Frankly, it’s hard to imagine any Jewish intellectual, even a right winger like Rothbard, embracing such a Nazi point of view, but I don’t believe he ever put much distance between himself and Mr. Barnes. Just as Lew Rockwell may not be a White Supremist, but he seems to fly in the same orbit they do.

            As for the Rothbard quotes, I got them from Wikipedia, but here’s a source you may find more palatable. Remember, I said he embraced her in the mid-50s. A year later, they may have been sworn enemies over some minor doctrinal difference.

            http://mises.org/daily/3839
            And what is the official DaveH position on the doctrinal issue that divided Rothbard from Mises? Is it morally acceptable for someone to sell himself into slavery? And don’t try some dodge about paying taxes being the same as slavery!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Wow, you really are in love with Rothbard, aren’t you?”.
            You’re being silly now. But love aside, the man was an awesome talent. I’ve seen him talking comfortably about diverse subjects of all kinds. He must have spent every waking moment studying.

            Jeff says — ” I told you exactly which Holocaust Denier he embraced, and specifically did NOT say he was one himself”.
            So why did you even bring that up, Jeff?

            Jeff says — “even a right winger like Rothbard”.
            What is a right-winger to you, Jeff?

            Jeff says — “Just as Lew Rockwell may not be a White Supremist, but he seems to fly in the same orbit they do”.
            You’re good at this guilt by association thing, aren’t you Jeff? I prefer to pick on people for what they actually do, not for who they know (if it is even true).
            And I know for a fact that you are a thief, Jeff. So why should I pay any mind at all to anything you say?

            Jeff asks me — “Is it morally acceptable for someone to sell himself into slavery?”.
            I believe that a person has a right to control his own body and property absent coercion by others.
            So if somebody did that with Free Will, not under duress, I would figure that was their problem, not mine.
            It seems odd to me that you would concern yourself with such, when every day people all across the country are working for the Government against their will, and you support that involuntary servitude.

          • Jeff

            Yes, paying taxes is the same as slavery, Dave. I’m sure it is – in the funny farm! And what crowd are you speaking to? Is that the way you speak to people face to face? You must be very popular.

            To me a right winger is someone unalterably opposed to The New Deal, to Social Security, to Medicare, to unemployment insurance, and to the idea we live in a society where sometimes people need assistance. “Right winger” didn’t used to be synonymous with “Republican,” though it seems to be so now. No less a Republican icon than Eisenhower considered people holding the views I just described “stupid.”

            I don’t doubt Rothbard’s intelligence. One can be brilliant and still be wrong. I’m sure that’s how you feel about Keynes (and even Marx). Look at the Harvard Ph.D.s who brought us the Iraq War. I guarantee no cab driver could have done nearly as much damage.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Yes, paying taxes is the same as slavery, Dave. I’m sure it is – in the funny farm!”.
            I don’t know about that, Jeff, perhaps you could share your experience with us.

            Jeff says — “Is that the way you speak to people face to face? You must be very popular”.
            You mean like you are popular on this board, Jeff? I know, you love your thumbs down like any spoiled kid seeking attention does.

            Jeff says — “To me a right winger is someone unalterably opposed to The New Deal, to Social Security, to Medicare, to unemployment insurance, and to the idea we live in a society where sometimes people need assistance”.
            So, in other words, if he/she isn’t a Liberal Progressive they’re right-wingers to you?
            How does that “assistance” work out for people who live in places where Socialism can’t ride on the shoulders of Capitalists, Jeff, like Cuba or North Korea? And soon possibly the US when you Liberal Progressives get your way?

            Jeff says — “I’m sure that’s how you feel about Keynes (and even Marx)”.
            Keynesian economics have been proven repeatedly to be a failure, Jeff, but the Liberal Progressive Leaders keep dredging him up to misinform ignorant Liberal Progressive Followers so they can further feather their nests at the expense of everybody else.

          • Jeff

            Was Mr. Rockwell not the editor of Ron Paul’s newsletters that had all the racist comments? Ron Paul, the Publisher, who made money from the newsletters, claimed no knowledge of the source of the racist comments. He said that’s what the editor (Rockwell) is for. Of course, Rockwell also denies knowledge. Maybe it was a Lt. Colonel in the basement who did it all!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What racist comments, Jeff? I see you guys calling people on this board racist for almost anything they say. So I’d have to see the actual statement (in context) to judge that.
            And if there were racist comments made, and I doubt that since I’ve never known any group of people that are as logical as staunch Libertarians, does that somehow negate everything else they say?
            I’m sure if I knew you personally I could point out all kinds of character flaws, but does that somehow mean nothing you say is valid? Of course not.

          • Jeff

            “I’m sure if I knew you personally I could point out all kinds of character flaws, but does that somehow mean nothing you say is valid? Of course not.”

            But that’s your entire argument, Dave. I’m a Progressive and therefore nothing I say can ever be trusted. It’s not about character flaws. The racist comments in the Ron Paul newsletters were well publicized. If you can’t find them, that’s too bad.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have seen them before and they weren’t racist comments. Liberal Progressives were just doing what Liberal Progressives do — trying to silence anybody who might upset their Gravy Train.
            But feel free to round up the information, Jeff, and give me the chance to rebut.
            Don’t you ever get tired, Jeff, of pulling out the Race Card when you can’t snow people with your Liberal Progressive nonsense?

          • Jeff

            You can say the comments weren’t racist and no doubt most on this blog will agree with you. I really don’t understand how, on the one hand, you claim you are right despite the fact so few people have ever voted for a Libertarian. But then you make a big deal of your “thumbs ups” from the likes of Jay, Alondra, JeffH, Ridge Rat, etc. To me, a “thumbs down” vote from them is a badge of honor.

            Getting back to the Ron Paul newsletters – even Ron Paul thinks there was lots of racist stuff in there; he’s just “mystified” how it got there. He was particularly embarrassed about comments concerning Barbara Jordan with whom he served in Congress and apparently got along. So, who wrote it? Paul? Rockwell? Or was it Oliver North again?

            http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1229/Racist-newsletter-timeline-What-Ron-Paul-has-said

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — ” I really don’t understand how, on the one hand, you claim you are right despite the fact so few people have ever voted for a Libertarian”.
            I really don’t understand how you make the leap of logic that right or wrong is determined by how people vote, Jeff.

            As to the newsletter statements:
            “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.'”.
            That ratio may be true. I don’t know. If it’s true then it’s not racist. If it’s not true, then it would be racist.
            “I think we can assume that 95 percent of the black men in that city [Washington] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”.
            That is definitely racist.

            But I saw nothing in that article implicating Lew Rockwell, so you still have some ‘splaining to do in that regard.

            Also, I regret that I have let you turn a discussion about Principles into a matter of ad hominem attacks. That is my fault. You won that round of manipulation. Are you proud of yourself?
            Some reality:
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/im-racist-anti-christian-selfish-immoral/

          • Jeff

            “Jeff says — ” I really don’t understand how, on the one hand, you claim you are right despite the fact so few people have ever voted for a Libertarian”.
            I really don’t understand how you make the leap of logic that right or wrong is determined by how people vote, Jeff.”

            Do you work for Breitbart? You are good a purposefully misapprehending what someone is saying by misquoting. I was commenting on your belief that your precious “thumbs ups” here confer some moral authority. I was simply contrasting your differing beliefs concerning the value of popularity. I believe what I believe regardless what someone else thinks about it. In high school, I canvassed for McGovern. He lost badly, but I still believed I was right to work for him.

            As for Mr. Rockwell, all I can say is Ron Paul was awfully quick to “blame” him as the editor for the perceived racist statements in his newsletters. You may believe the statements were not racist; apparently Ron Paul disagrees. I believe one of the more notorious statements was the reference to MLK Day as “Hate Whitey Day.” You can characterize that however you like. In the sane world, it’s considered evidence of bigotry.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Misquoting? I used your exact words, Jeff.
            Try your hardest, Jeff, to denigrate Libertarianism by your ad hominem attacks. The smart people will see through your nonsense. The dumb people? Well, you already have them.

          • Jeff

            You left out half what I wrote, changing the meaning approximately 180 degrees. Put it on your resume and Breitbart will pay you a signing bonus.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I know you’re full of it, Jeff. And any of the readers who can stomach reading your nonsense will know it too.

          • Jeff

            Typical response. No substance. Plenty of attitude.

          • Jeff

            Concerning Rothbard, Mises, and Ayn Rand, here are the letters:

            http://mises.org/journals/jls/21_4/21_4_3.pdf

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yay, a Liberal Progressive has actually backed up a statement. Good for you, Jeff.
            Although, that still doesn’t prove that Rothbard “was completely enamored of Ayn Rand”. It shows only that he was enamored of her book.

          • Jeff

            No, you should listen to someone so enamored of him he doesn’t even know where to find his quotes. It’s like asking Roy Cohn about Joe McCarthy except Cohn would know of every statement ever made by his hero – and that was pre-Google!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re the one who made the claims, Jeff. So it’s up to you to prove the quotes exist. If you can quote somebody, then I presume you have a source for that quote? And if the quotes aren’t true, how can I locate a quote that was never stated?

          • KG

            Ayn Rand was a crazy Russian lady who thought selfishness was the highest virtue Man could hope for. When her paramour Nathanil Branden was cheating on her with a younger woman, she went completely non-linear and destroyed the man who was responsible for anyone knowing about her and her ideas. So I guess according to Randites, you can be selfish as long as it doesn’t affect your own selfishness. (huh?)

          • WTS/JAY

            Gore Vidal: “The United States was founded by the brightest people in the country — Excluding Martin van Buren. What a di*k.” ~ Gore Vidal on America

            Eugene Luther Al Gore Vidal (b. October 3, 1825) is an Italian author who likes to lie and say he’s American. He wrote many novels, screenplays, essays, and Redbook articles. He has been alive for one-hundred and eighty years (However, he claims to be only eighty one.)

            Born to the Italian family of Eugene Martin Luther Vidal Sr. and Nina A. Gore, Vidal was born at Hospital del Cadete in Rome, Italy, where his father was learning to become a pizza maker. He was christened at Chiesa Degli Slittamenti Dell’ugello e Dell’asino, the parochial church which contained the catholic school he would attend. His middle name honors that of his father’s great American hero, Al Gore, of whom was not born yet. Some even claim that Gore has an older brother, Blood, of whom he knows nothing about.

            At the age of five, Vidal immediately attended Sucola Degli Slittamenti Dell’ugello e Dell’asino’s kidergarten class. He was considered a genius by his teacher and at the age of ten had already been admitted to Harvard. However, Vidal realized that a perplexing problem had arrisen. After a careful theological study, Vidal had come up with the solution that would put a damper on his plan to attend Harvard:
            Harvard= America I= Italy.

            His mission became obvious: Head for America. After a long four years, Vidal took and passed the citizenship test. He attended Harvard and graduated at the age of 16.

            Gore Vidal began his writing career with a best-selling book called Frillifaw Williwaw, which put into detail the horible experiences he had with the Class of 3000. His next book was entitled Sex and the City and the Pillar, dealing mainly with three hookers, their mom, and five flamboyant catholic school boys. The New York Crimes did not review this book and released this statement:

            “Ha ha lol gay Elmer Fudd black buttsecks.” ~ New York Crimes on Sex and the City and the Pillar

            However, the book also brought up a mystery person, as each book was dedicated to “J.T.”

            During a 1946 interview with Time Magazine, he revealed that “J.T.” stood for his grammar school homo bit*h Jimmie Trimble. Sadly, news of his queer ways quickly spread to People and Star magazines, as well as National Enquierer articles stating that Vidal wants to marry Penis Stationwagon Lesbian. Afterward, Vidal began to write plays, films, and became a script lackey. Vidal then created The Best Dude and Visit to my Little Penis, two successful Broadway plays.

            In the early 1950’s, he used the pen-name Martha Stewart and wrote three mystery stories featuring Dectective Mike Hunt.

            In 1969, Vidal wrote three more novels. Julian was about Julius Csesar and his fight against breast cancer and Washington S.T.D. was about Franklin Delanor Roosevelt and his fight against herpes.

            However, his third book, entitled Myra Breckinridge caused quite a controversey. It told the story of teenager Myra Breckinridge, who can’t grasp true love and turns gothemo because of it.

            Liberals gave it lots of praise.

            “OMG THIS IS T3H L33T!!!!!!! I GIVE J00 4 STARZ!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!” ~ Liberal critic on Myra Breckingridge

            The success of Myra Beckingridge caused Vidal to create a sequal called Enron. Soon, Vidal created more books such as Khaki Pantsand Where’s Geena Davis?

            The Holy Bibal

            In 2007, a crazed Gore Vidal fan created the Church of Gore Vidal, completely dedicated to the teachings of Gore Vidal. Among them the Holy Bibal, which contains all the teachings of Gore Vidal’s Law. Here are the Ten COmmandments in the Bibal:

            The Ten Commandments:

            I am the Gore Your God, you shall have no other Gores before me. Not even Al.

            You shall not take the name of the Gore, your God in vain, except when it comes to sex.

            Remember Saturday, it’s my favorite day.

            Honor your mom and dad, as well as your boyfriend.

            Do not murder unless you’re Islamic.

            Don’t commit adultery, especially on you’re boyfriend’s boyfriend.

            If you steal something, please put it back.

            Don’t lie, unless you’re in deep sh*t.

            Envy is bad, except for EnV, the phone.

            Envying your friend’s husband is BAD.

            -Uncyclopedia

          • Jeff

            Was that supposed to mean something? Or are you just baying (cutting and pasting, I should say) at the Moon again? Yes, Vidal had lots of enemies, but he was a brilliant writer. BTW: your right wing wiki site is a bit off. He was not born in 1825. You really should have Timmy read stuff to you before cutting and pasting.

          • WTS/JAY

            Don’t you recognize satire when you see it, Jeff? Btw, do all progressives lack a sense of humour? What a bunch sad sacks…! (-:

          • Jeff

            Fido:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Vidal

            You and Gore Vidal are comparable in one respect. He was the last of a generation of great writers; you’re the last in a long line of congenital morons.

          • WTS/JAY

            Liberal Democrats: http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Liberal_Democrats

            What’s the matter Jeffy, did i insult your idol? Boo hoo, tear drops falling…)-:

          • WTS/JAY

            The MSM is reporting that Gore Vidal died July 31/2012

            However, the following proves Gore Vidal was already brain dead back in 2007:

            “My take is that Cuba is probably more successful for the people who live in it. It was so rare to see a contented people. Everything they’re doing, thus far—I don’t know what they’re doing secretly—but what they are doing is very good. There is no sullenness among the people which you get with great masses that don’t quite know what their government is”.

            Here’s a video of the (in)famous (almost) fight between William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal: http://babalublog.com/2012/08/01/castro-loving-useful-idiot-gore-vidal-dead/

          • WTS/JAY

            Gore Vidal Now Extinct: Portrait of a Monster

            Among the countless vile things Gore Vidal has done in his reptilian life, was speaking ill of the dead. As you sow so shall you equally reap, comrade America-hating pederast.

            I knew of Gore Vidal’s writings back when I still lived in the USSR. He was presented to the Soviet readers as a leading American author, even though his writings were convoluted and unreadable. The latter may well be the fault of an incompetent Russian translator, but we knew that the ruling Communist Party would publish any anti-American hack regardless of talent.

            More than his alleged literary flair, the Party valued Vidal for his anti-Americanism, left-wing historical revisionism, and anti-Semitism (of course, his gay activism was never mentioned). “You peasants want modern American literature? Here’s Gore Vidal.” It was like judging the menu of a restaurant by the content of its dumpster.

            Now he’s extinct like the rest of them – the ancient, rigid, walnut-brained dinosaurs that they were. Unfortunately for us, the gigantic pile of toxic dinosaur dung still remains and will poison the planet for generations to come. -Red Square

          • WTS/JAY

            Gore Vidal, Jew-Hater, RIH: William Buckley

            I was still in junior high, when my late father educated me on who Gore Vidal was and told me about his famous dressing-down by the late, great William F. Buckley.

            Vidal, who is now officially dead (though it could be accurately argued that he was always brain-dead), was an anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, far left piece of crap and vastly overrated writer, worshipped at the altar of American Marxism. His writing and plays are boring and a waste of time. But he was typical of the pseudo-intellegentsia of the far left, an emperor with no clothing if there ever was one. He spoke out against American boys–many of whom did not come home or came home missing limbs–while they were fighting and winning against the Viet Cong in Vietnam, and he was one of the media elite who lost the war for them here on U.S. soil in the media. Oh, and he was related to Al Gore (no surprise there).

            Everything you need to know about this dearly departed swine, Vidal, is contained in this well-known exchange between Vidal and Buckley (who might have very accurately said some of the same words to the failed, moderate, current editor of his National Review, Rich Lowry) on Buckley’s PBS show, “Firing Line.” For the politically incorrect, Buckley thankfully made no apologies for telling Vidal, “Now, listen, you queer . . . .” Buckley smacked that schmuck down good. And that’s how they’ll both be remembered. -By Debbie Schlussel

            Watch the Video, Jeffy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nYymnxoQnf8

          • Jeff

            Honestly, doesn’t Timmy ever read you stories not from the right wing press? Vidal liked to joke that he was related to Al Gore, but he was not. You would think your unattributed source would have known something so basic.

            http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/corrections-new-york-times-gore-vidal-obituary-are-amazing/55322/

          • WTS/JAY

            It was actually Gore Vidal who made that claim, butt-lover. And no, he wasn’t joking. But he was a joke!

          • Jeff

            I’m sure your disapproval will be the deciding factor sending him to Heaven. “You’ve been a bad boy, Mr. Vidal, but if an idiot like Jay hates you so much, you must belong up here with the good people.”

          • WTS/JAY

            So now, you believe in fairytales, Jeff? How convenient. Btw, i don’t hate the pederast, Gore Vidal, i just find all pederasts disgusting. Apparently you do not? Why doesn’t that surprise me? You dream of him, don’t you, Jeff? (-:

          • Jeff

            What someone does in his bedroom is of little interest to me. I do know if you eliminated all literature written by gays or those suspected of being gay, you’d be throwing out some of the best writing known to Man. Of course that wouldn’t matter to an illiterate right winger whose idea of a good read is a Boy Scout manual on making knots.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: What someone does in his bedroom is of little interest to me. I do know if you eliminated all literature written by gays or those suspected of being gay, you’d be throwing out some of the best writing known to Man.

            Gay? The man was a pederast, a child molester, Jeff. He was also involved in founding NAMBLA. Btw, buggering under-aged children does not qualify as being gay, but a pederast. Do you know the difference between the two, numb-nut ?

            Jeff: Of course that wouldn’t matter to an illiterate right winger whose idea of a good read is a Boy Scout manual on making knots.

            What, as opposed to reading a manual on how to consume sausage and deflower little children, Gore..err, .i mean Jeff? Your bookshelves are probably full of such fine, reading material, isn’t that right, Gore? Oink oink, gobble gobble…(-:

          • WTS/JAY

            Gore Vidal, Child Molester: Helped Found, Was Active in NAMBLA -By Debbie Schlussel

            Yesterday, I wrote about the death of the America-hating, far-left, anti-Semite extraordinaire, Gore Vidal. It was necessary, given the avalanche of drool over this schmuck by the mainstream media. Since then, reader and friend Matthew Scholnick drew my attention to the mention of Vidal on several sites about NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, founded by gay pedophiles to defend their rapes of kids.

            Apparently, Vidal was involved in the founding of NAMBLA and helped the organization fundraise, appearing at some of its events. I did some further research and it checks out. In fact, Gore Vidal supported the rape of kids by gay child molesters.

            Gore Vidal & Jerry Sandusky: Two of a Kind

            The book, “Sex and Isolation: And Other Essays,” by Bruce Benderson, published by the University of Wisconsin Press notes:

            Today’s assimilationist gay liberationists are loathe to admit it, but a benchmark of the gay movement occurred in 1978, when a group of gay men formed the Boston/Boise Committee to combat a conservative district attorney who was exploiting a homosexual case of child molestation as a reelection strategy. Gore Vidal was involved in a fundraiser for the committee, which eventually sponsored a conference on man-boy love and the age of consent. An Episcopal Bishop, some social workers, and a psychiatrist participated in this conference, a caucus of which led to the founding of the North American Man Boy Love Association.

            The book, “Legends of Winter Hill: Cops, Con Men, and Joe McCain, the Last Real Detective,” by Jay Atkinson notes that Vidal supposedly made appearances at a trial of NAMBLA defendants–gay men on trial for raping young boys in Boston–in support of those defendants.

            And there are several other books that say essentially the same thing about Vidal, his involvement in the founding and early years of NAMBLA, and his support for the child molesters on trial for raping a young boy.

            If you google “Gore Vidal” and “NAMBLA” many, many results will come up, most of them identifying Vidal as an early supporter of NAMBLA. And then, there’s his defense of director Roman Polanski’s rape of a drugged 13-year-old girl. In 2009, he told The Atlantic:

            “I really don’t give a f–k. Look, am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she’s been taken advantage of?

            http://www.debbieschlussel.com/52489/gore-vidal-child-molester-helped-found-was-active-in-nambla/

            This is the man you admire, Jeff, or is it, identify with? Jeff, dude, you’re disgusting!

        • WTS/JAY

          For such a charitable person, as you claim to be, you sure are full of hate, Dave. I think you’re full of…you know what!

    • John Myers

      Dave,
      I am an American citizen working and living in Calgary, as are thousands of other Americans. My children are also American citizens, as was my father and my grandfather, so yes I care.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • Dave

        Ok, so you are an American citizen. You must like the less expensive HC up there… But again, why should Oprah not get the medal of freedom? So far, you have not shown a compelling reason other than you don’t like her politics and she has more money than you. (jealous much?)
        I don’t care for Oprah either but she has done some good things for others. Not that you would know about such things.

        • Jack Galvin

          Nothing bothers racist wingnuts more than a successful woman of color.

          • John Myers

            Jack,
            And yet a personal hero to me was of Japanese descent. You must share with my two daughter-in- laws; one is of Lebanese descent the other hails from the Philippines. Both successful. Both athletes. One is a champion triathlete. Both “do stairs” and neither refers to herself in the third person as does Oprah.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • WTS/JAY

            A racist wing-nut? If only Dave could see himself as you see him. He could then really start working on his problem.

    • WTS/JAY

      Dave: As a Canadian who lives in Calgary. Why do you care about who gets the medal of Freedom here?

      So now you’re an isolationist, Dave? Do you think this country is your own exclusive club; you decide who comes in and who stays out? That’s not being very friendly. No wonder people hate us, they think we are all like you!

  • trugrits

    Well considering the person giving out the award was himself given the Nobel Peace Prize while he hadn’t even done anything, what would be expected? I am surprised miss super sized in real life doesn’t have a roll around chair since she doesn’t walk or do stairs. I guess Obozo is in need of money miss wonderful has or needs her support since his approval rating is in the crapper.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But so is Oprah’s rating. She’s had her proverbial 15 minutes of fame and is on the downward spiral. She has built her career on enabling whining women to continue whining but even they get tired of their own whining and need other voices to affirm their whining.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    BREAKING NEWS
    Jesse Jackson Jr. is sentenced to serve 30 months in prison.
    Who does not know who Jesse Jackson Jr. is – he was a representative (Dem.) from IL (land of Lincoln), son of a self-proclaimed Civil Rights leader and a famous racist Jesse Jackson Sr.

    Surprise, surprise – he is bi-polar, as any DEMONcRat.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    LIAR, LIAR, LIAR – Typical lying liberal

    The Negro “diva” regrets lying about the racist handbag incident.
    After she was caught lying, now she says she should never have mentioned the incident. Of cause.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2391313/Oprah-Winfrey-says-regrets-mentioning-handbag-racism-incident-Zurich.html

    Now not only Americans know she is a LIAR, but Europe as well.

    If she would to read the magic Book – BIBLE – she would to know:
    “For NOTHING is SECRET that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.” (Luke 8:17)

    Next medal for her: The LIAR of Year.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      She is another race baiter. Just like O’homo, holder, shapton & jackson

      She was given the Medal of Freedom in exchange for playing Race Card and screaming RACISM

      GOES AROUND COMES AROUND
      How disgraceful she is.

      She is just completely full of herself !!!!!!!

      Can we get through at least ONE week without someone crying racism???

      • Dave

        Not when you post here… racist satanist

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          LIAR !!!
          The Sweet TRUTH is that the White Negro, holder, sharpton, jackson, Negro “diva”, you and ALL Liberals and DEMONcrats are pure RACIST.

          Keep play Racist Card and scream discrimination.
          The question is: WHO is buying your Libtardic crapola.

        • WTS/JAY

          Hate is like a drug, Dave. Very addictive. It eventually destroys you. The final stage, before it destroys you, is prominent and severe-psychosis, where the afflicted babbles and rants incoherently. It seems you have arrived, Dave. It may be too late for you. Nice knowing you, mutant!

  • TheOriginalDaveH
    • JeffH

      A bit of a stretch by Winfrey ya think?

  • WTS/JAY

    GOOD NEWS FOLKS!!! Obama Will Seek Third Term.

    Earlier this week President Obama said in a speech to supporters that he wished to seek an unprecedented 3rd term as Commander in Chief. He cited his exemplary work at bringing the country back from the brink of economic catastrophe much like former socially minded, populist leader Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Flanked by a few of his most ardent Democrat supporters in Congress he announced the urgency to repeal a portion of the Constitution which forbids the president from seeking a 3rd term. Democrats are already pushing forth legislation which should accomplish just that.

    Obama stated:

    “I would put [my administration] up against any prior administration since FDR,” Obama said. “We didn’t ask for the challenges that we face, but we don’t shrink from them either.” He continued, “And the truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over decades. It will require common effort, shared responsibility, and the kind of bold, persistent experimentation that Franklin Roosevelt pursued during the only crisis worse than this one.”

    Obama promised in his speech to finally fully implement vital portions of Obamacare (which has been delayed again until 2015), to ensure Americans understand the importance of sacrificing a small degree of privacy for vital security, and institute major Wall Street reform. Also on his agenda is a high speed rail system to be finished in 2020 and paid for by new stimulus money he will attempt to push through Congress in 2014. Socially Liberal Democrats and Progressives cheered the move as a major step forward to a more generous nation-state. Citing Republican obstructionism as the main culprit in his failure to implement these policies he promised us back in his campaign of 2008, he claimed a 3rd and possibly 4th term would give him more of the time he so desperately deserved.
    http://www.randpaulreview.com/2013/08/breaking-news-obama-will-seek-third-term/

    Sorry progressives, that was just political-satire. Had you going there for a minute, didn’t i…?

    • Dave

      Son… leave the humor alone… we can add that to the many challenges you face.

      • WTS/JAY

        What’s the matter, Dave. Too busy hating to enjoy a little humour? That’s so sad. Your children probably look at you and sigh; why does daddy spend so much time on the computer hating people and ignoring us? Think of your children, Dave. If indeed you have any. Sad….

    • Deerinwater

      hahahah! ~ funny stuff. ~ I knew better ~ he can’t wait to beat feet! ~ I heard Michelle had already started packing on the QT. Think they’re using Beken’s to move them to an undisclosed staging area for a transit flight east somewhere.

      but you know , ~ two terms or 10 years is the limit. ~ so there is room there, God forbid it.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    I got e-mail from Rand Paul:

    “The National Association for Gun Rights has collected over 1,520,000 signed surveys against this global gun grab with tens of thousands more pouring in each week!”

    If you would like to take and sign Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey Go to the link I provide: http://www.nagr.org/UN_RP_Survey1b.aspx?roi=echo3-16575918425-14201412-79e034f75150a015221532539e3a6248&pid=ws8

    PLEASE PASS IT ON. TY

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    WARNING: Before to watch this, you have to go to pee-pee to be dry.

    South Central PROTEST

    Shanequa voted for the Kenyan Fraud five time, and she gonna’ stand on dat telephone wit her PANTS OFF til’ her man O’homobama give her a stimulus check and start making her mortgage payments – like he say he would!
    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/81053599/
    To zoom the picture make double Click on picture.

    She looks almost like Lady Liberty.
    Isn’t Dave’s wife of 15 years? Guys, you probably Jealous?

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    A shocking video featuring a boy praying to the “anointed one”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-YI4813_v-E
    383 thumbs Up.

    Isn’t the Dave’s child? Just wandering.

  • Ray McDermett

    O is as full of crap is O, is. Too many O’s in this country for me. We need to show the world that both O’s are fake and were created and don’t deserve the love of this country.

    • Deerinwater

      well do it!

  • YourNameHere

    I do not know who you are Mr. Meyers but you wrote a column awhile back about shaming politicians (which is an oxyomoron statement) now you write about a shameful politician named Mr. Inouye. A Democrat (aren’t they always?)

    If you read reports about him awhile back his own comrades reported stories about him during WW2 about him taking a diamond ring from a dead French lady and keeping it. (Maybe that’s why he lost an arm) and where he learned the art of theft or what they call PORK in Congress.

    When he came back he raped a lady (some say it was his hairdresser) and there were other stories about other women which he may have preyed upon or worse that they have kept their mouths shut for fear of retaliation and whatnot.

    These stories were publicly reported and you sir, have been outed! As much as I don’t like Oprah, I would feel a lot safer around her.

    • John Myers

      Any others awarded that won the Medal of Honor you want to trash with baseless rumours? How about Gary Gordon and
      Randy Shughart that were awarded the medal posthumously for their actions in Mogadishu (Blackhawk Down)? They like Inouye are dead so they make an easy target. You’re allegations are shameful.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • YourNameHere

        These stories were reported while Inouye was STILL ALIVE. In fact these stories were told about him many years ago at a banquet HONORING him, in his PRESENCE, by the very comrades who served under him!

        Many stories came out later while he was still alive. I also found it very odd and shocking that the DRUDGE REPORT never reported his death. I wonder why?