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Obama: Not Class Warfare, Simple Math (In The Billions And Trillions)

September 12, 2011 by  

Obama: Not Class Warfare, Simple Math (In The Billions And Trillions)

In his much-anticipated address to a joint session of Congress, President Barack Obama plead for another $447 billion in government spending and tax incentives to spark economic recovery for the stalled U.S. economy.

The President, blaming Congress’ quarreling over previous efforts to stimulate the economy for the current state of affairs, prodded Congress to pass his jobs bill “right away.”

“I am sending this Congress a plan that you should pass right away. It’s called the American Jobs Act. There should be nothing controversial about this piece of legislation. Everything in here is the kind of proposal that’s been supported by both Democrats and Republicans — including many who sit here tonight. And everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything,” Obama said.

The Presidential plan is centered on essential “renovation” of infrastructure in the U.S., including roads, bridges, urban recreation centers and at least 35,000 schools, he said. He promised that the jobs bill would not only employ people seeking construction and infrastructure jobs but also teachers. He also said the bill provides tax incentives for companies to hire veterans and individuals who have been out of work for more than six months.

“This is the American Jobs Act. It will lead to new jobs for construction workers, for teachers, for veterans, for first responders, young people and the long-term unemployed. It will provide tax credits to companies that hire new workers, tax relief to small business owners, and tax cuts for the middle class,” the President said.

To sweeten the deal for Republicans, the President promised to extend tax cuts and to ensure that taxes are not raised; he also promised that the jobs bill will not add to the country’s soaring deficit.

“The agreement we passed in July will cut government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. It also charges this Congress to come up with an additional $1.5 trillion in savings by Christmas. Tonight, I am asking you to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. And a week from Monday, I’ll be releasing a more ambitious deficit plan — a plan that will not only cover the cost of this jobs bill, but stabilize our debt in the long run,” Obama said.

In his speech, the President continued his “corporate jet owner” ideology as a way to help pay for the jobs act.

“I’m also well aware that there are many Republicans who don’t believe we should raise taxes on those who are most fortunate and can best afford it,” said Obama. “But here is what every American knows: While most people in this country struggle to make ends meet, a few of the most affluent citizens and most profitable corporations enjoy tax breaks and loopholes that nobody else gets.”

The President proclaimed that his plan was not political grandstanding or class warfare, but simple math — simple math that he is certain produces the right equation for America’s future.

Many Republicans, including House Speaker John Boehner, found common ground with the President, with little skepticism.

“The proposals the president outlined tonight merit consideration. We hope he gives serious consideration to our ideas as well. It’s my hope that we can work together to end the uncertainty facing families and small businesses, and create a better environment for long-term economic growth and private-sector job creation,” he said.

Some Republicans, including 2012 GOP candidate Representative Ron Paul of Texas, skipped the speech altogether, opting instead to read the text of the plan.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    In terms of simple math, this prez is about as simple as a politician can be. He’s simple in the way a child thinks $100 is a lot of money. A teenager might consider $500,000 a lot of money. Adults who keep tabs on what goes on Washington know that a million dollars can be a lot of money.
    However, when a politician is talking about a billion or a trillion, many people are clueless, and they have a most peculiar way of concluding that as long as they don’t feel an immediate negative change in their lives, it might be OK. In that regard, it’s time for an intelligence test to determine who’s qualified to vote.
    This is the guy who spoke openly of class warfare and envy and a twisted definition of redistributed wealth. Boehner has a short memory, and the prez acts like a drug addict who’s hooked on other people’s money.
    Future generations of children are being enslaved and made poor by a prez who should be categorized as a new class of delusional, power-mad, wannabe dictator. No prez is worth that kind of power or madness. Screw ‘give him a chance.’
    Bread and circuses are this guy’s trade. Children can see through such garbage. It didn’t work so well in old Rome. It won’t work here because it can’t work – period. Your children are at stake, people. That’s as “simple” as it can be.

    • Truthseeker

      More of the same old-same old again. Who can stop this mad man? Who can stop or curtail the destruction that happens everytime a country does what this one is doing? Is it too late? Or is there still hope? This really looks like the end to me. I personally just can’t believe we can make it much longer on the trend line that we’ve been on for so long. Just as soon as foreigners stop loaning us money and all of the federal reserve notes from around the globe hit our shores looking for something, anything, in exchange for them. Is there any way that very high inflation can’t happen? And, can a country continue to prosper when they don’t work or create much of anything of value? Just how many people in America actually do a job for an entity that actually creates or produces something of value? It almost seems to me that the highest percentage of those who are prospering today are in some form of government position. Police, Firemen, City workers, County workers, State workers, Federal workers, and all those who work at some type of government job. Most all of these still receive the same pay as they did 6 years ago when the economy was good. Now, when the private sector has taken a 40 to 50 % cut in pay, the aforementioned ones still expect and receive about the same as they have been and even more. All of their salaries come from some sort of tax from those who produce something. And there are those on social security who paid in to it, and those on welfare and free social programs and all others who get a check from a government entity. It all has to come from those who produce something of value. And because the people in this government spend so much, they still have to borrow a gazillion dollars per year extra just to keep it all going. And I’m supposed stand at attention when this pres speaks this rhetoric? I find it offensive to listen to it any more. I would much rather that an average farmer or construction worker or anyone who lives within their means be the president than who we have now.

      • Al Sieber

        s c and Truthseeker I agree with you both, they’ll just speed up the printing presses, nothing is gonna save this economy the way they’re going.

        • peter

          S.C. Truthseeker and Al are all on the button here. We do really need an intelligent guy in there who knows how to run the place like a business, be he a farmer or a plumber. The difference is that the farmer or the plumber needs to get his cash flow right or he goes under. This obviously does not mean anything to this president. Maybe he just gets bad advice from the know it all’s in the Fed or maybe he is just arrogantly incompetent. Probably both. My opinion is unprintable, but I do pity the USA with a leader of this poor calibre.
          Get rid of him or suffer the consequences, my American friends and remember that you do not have any time left. An educated man is not necessarily competent, nor is he necessarily intelligent. Boring,smug,arrogant and incompetent? Usually!Intelligent? Unlikely!
          Preaching does not make one intelligent.

          • EyesWideOpen

            What we need to find out about anyone up for election is what organizations they are affiliated with. Free Masonry is the common denominator in the groups that are pushing the One World Agenda: The Illuminati (yes, it still exists), Masons, Shriners, Rotary Club International, Trilateral Commission, United Nations, Council of Foreign Affairs, Bilderberger Institute, Labor Unions, Vatican, and the National Conferences of many Protestant religions! To see a list of the people that belong to these groups just enter “the worlds’ richest people” into your search bar on the internet. These people know that in order to get the citizens of the countries of the world to accept this One World System that they must first crush the economies of each country so that we will accept this system rather than starve to death. But know that anyone that is not part of their group will become enslaved! Just look at what is happening today, open your eyes and see the truth!

          • DaveH

            Don’t forget the most destructive club of individuals in this country, Eyes — The Liberals. Feed me, Clothe me, Shelter me, Give me Free Health Care, Wah, Wah, Wah!

          • TIME

            Hell, Why stop at just $475 Billion, why not just round it up to say $20 Trillion dollars that he can send over to the NWO leaders coffers. I mean really why all the nickel and dime stops.

          • Polski

            Obama went to Dubya and Cheney to get his ideas. After all, Dubya and Cheney are the ones responsible for our economic problems. And speaking of intelligence, you’ll never have a president as intelligent as Dubya again……LOL……

          • Jibbs

            Polski says:
            September 13, 2011 at 2:54 am
            Obama went to Dubya and Cheney to get his ideas. After all, Dubya and Cheney are the ones responsible for our economic problems. And speaking of intelligence, you’ll never have a president as intelligent as Dubya again……LOL……


            It’s been going on longer than you think, LBJ and the demorats put your Social Security into the general fund. And here I thought older meant wiser, but not in all cases. At least I won’t have to work til I’m in the grave.

          • moonbeam


            “What we need to find out about anyone up for election is what organizations they are affiliated with.”

            Absolutely agree. I’ve said the same thing, including a list of all the things we should know about who we are voting for. Additionally, the first thing I want to see is a birth certificate. A REAL one and not the fake COLB obama waved around.

            As for Perry, his close ties with the Muslim community and forcing his will by executive order that young girls be injected with Gardasil against their parents wishes are 2 reasons why he won’t get my vote.

            Third reason why he doesn’t get my vote is his threat to use executive order to overturn obamacare. Bachmann had to straighten both Romney and Perry that you can’t use executive order. Obamacare must be REPEALED to get rid of it.

            Executive order means they can force their will on the people whether we like it or not. Since they both threaten to use executive order to do what they want, there is no reason why they wouldn’t trash the Constitution and use E.O. to force anything on us they so desire.

            It is important that We The People stop voting strictly party lines and voting the lesser of two evils. This has to stop. We all must do the required research into each candidate and vote our conscience.

            I’ve done everything but stick a tube down RP’s throat in researching him. My vote goes to Ron Paul.

        • Bruman

          Was going to say something about nothing beats spending other peoples money, but when you have a printing press, you don’t need other peoples money. Just cut down a few more trees and crank it up.

        • Brian

          THE SOLUTION, if one is even possible at this late stage, is TERM LIMITS…By enacting TERM LIMITS, you change the type of person looking for the ‘job’(senate or house) AND you change the behavior of that person in the ‘job’ as they can no longer depend on the ‘job’ as a career…Also, get rid of the entitlements of the ‘job’ such as lifelong healthcare, retirement at 100% of the ‘jobs’ salary, etc…IF we do that, the type of people looking for the ‘job’ will make decisions in the best interest of the country…Will this mean that people of means get the ‘job’? Yes, but that is the least of our worries.

          • Bud Tugly

            Good thinking. We need term limits so politicians won’t get so enmeshed in their power. Career politicians tend to worry more about elections than the country. Term limits will also allow more individuals to have the opportunity to serve and bring fresh ideas into the governing.

            Intractable incumbents from both parties are why our government accomplishes so little.

          • DaveH

            First of all, it isn’t going to happen. There was a big push for Term Limits when I was young (30 years ago). And it still hasn’t happened. One big problem is that the Legislators need to do it to themselves.
            Secondly, without an educated electorate, you’re pissing in the wind. They will just elect a short-term dishonest politician.
            Term Limits are just a feel-good placebo that will distract us from the real problem — Politically Ignorant voters.

        • Dan az

          Hey Al
          Wet yet?
          I’ve spent my whole life in construction and watching someone dig a hole trying to fill it in is not my idea of someone that I would hire.This clown can try a twist logic all day long but the fact still remains he is clueless and a imposter that needs never to see the light of day again.Lets send him to sheriff Joe and put him on the chain gang and see if in his life time he could figure out what he did to this nation.The fact that anyone would be backing his decisions says allot about who is next to go.If I had voted for this moron I wouldn’t tell anyone because that would show my incompetence as a voter and that I would need help tying my shoes in the morning.How embarrassing that most be for the people that could fall for such BS and not think that they really made a mistake.I feel sorry for the ones that still haven’t figured it out but then again I think they should not be aloud to vote again ever!

          • Bob McCormick

            I didn’t vote for him either, yet my vote for McCain was based on the devil I know as opposed to the devil I dont know principal. As in most of the elections in recent memory, I look at the candidates and ask “is this the best we can do”.
            As the new election cycle starts I am once again asking is this the best we can do.

          • ALL AMERICAN

            Very much so…
            People without common sense are always dangerous at the Polls.
            But, as it is said, “There’s nothing common about common sense.”
            America has allowed itself to be dumbed-down by leftists.
            It is now time for a reawakening.

          • eddie47d

            As opposed to the dumb downed rightists who allowed Wall Street to reign supreme. While they manipulated the markets a few got rich and the rest of America tanked. I bet I know which side you were on. Thanks but no thanks!

          • DaveH

            It will be, Bob, as long as so many vote for the lesser of two evils instead of voting for Principle. If we don’t try to elect Principled people, what chance do we have of achieving Principled Government?

          • DaveH

            The problem is, Eddie, that having been a Unionist, you naturally think everybody wants to take advantage of others, like the Unionists take advantage of their employers.

          • eddie47d

            Answer man Dave still thinks he has all the answers. Not so!

      • CJM

        Truthseeker, the foreign countries, INCLULDING CHINA, have NEVER repaid the loans the US made to them. At the time China was demanding payment on the interest, they also issued a statement that they will NOT repay the loans we made to them….so quit acting as if the US is in default when it is the other way around. Problem is, we have politicians and a stupid piece of ignorance sitting in the Oval Office who refuse to stand up and make legitimate demands from these paracitic foreigners. I’m sick and tired of people denigrating the US instead of suppporting this great Nation of ours…male relatives on both sides of my family fought and died for this Country and I refuse to turn my back on it.

    • djdrew103

      That’s what gets me about all you armchair politicians…you have all felt freely empowered to complain, but have very little to offer. Obama’s 800 billion stimulus plan kept us out of a depression, plain and simple. It was never ever designed to cure the plight of the nation that was ladled out upon us unexpectantly in your President Bush’s idea of government. “My daddy had a war, I want one too!” The shear stupidity of involving us in two wars, Iraq while we were still spending billions on Afghanistan, was a mastermind of a juvenile delinquent, and prejudicing th eAmerican Public with lies of WMD’s in the process while he still to this day lies about his personal deceitfulness! So don’t brag much when you disrespect our current Presiden in Obama, although not perfect, he is a shade bit better than your idol represented by Bush in his day, and allot better than the idiots who are running for candidacy in the Republican debates!

      Speaking of respect, Paul and all his fellows need their heads rung for showing such disrespect for the leader of our country in not even attending his speech. You complain about Obama setting the date and time for his speech originally as a misguided attempt of control over the Republicans in session? In my dad’s day, if you showed that much disrespect for the president while you were in office, you would have been labeled a traitor just about! I hope and pray that Obama gets re-elected just to reprimand those guilty of such flagrant disregard for his office and its position. He’s the President of our country folks, and we as a people have become imbeciles who think we can flagrantly disregard the President’s office in the way we have been tutored by the poor, moronic examples of what you wish to call your leaders in office throughout the legislative branch. They are mere law makers folks, and have not the clout to show such total disregard for the president’s office whether he be a Republican or a Democrat, you fools! You don’t deserve to call yourselves Americans when you think that throwing verbal trash and mudslinging name calling is a way to speak of your President. His wish to spend more money on the country to help bring about change is simple although costly. His whole term of presidency has been trying to undo the damages done by a republican president the last go round, and all that has been met with stiff resistance, and strangle holds that made our Congress ineffective on ANY form of resolve, ending up leading to the AA+ lowering of our country’s credit rating, so that’s what you can thank your Republican leaders for and nothing else, as they have done nothing other than put our country in a deadlock. I shall hate them for their deceit and power hungry infectious ploys to my dying day, and any Republican supporter that wishes to bring lies and deceit to the table to argue their point will be called liars and enemies of our great country.

      If a Republican gets into office, you will see the denigration of our country in a swift storm as it takes over our nation’s power groups. They will be free to do as they wish as they pay homage to their rich and powerful lords, and blame it all on the previous administration’s misguided leadership, and they will continue to wreck havoc on our nation without fail. I cannot believe the number of fools in our populace who refuse to see the danger of the political masters who play the game so well right now, and a people who refuse to see how we got their in the name of worshiping their political deities. You deserve what you shall reap in the next decade, and when all is said and done, and the Republican party takes our nation to its knees, it will be a Democrat president likened to Clinton that will once again bring us to a level of a great nation we once were. I can’t believe people would be so stupid as to think a republican president would do anything other than what their track record shows in the past 30 years. What fools.

      • peter

        Just an observation here. Hating people is bad, just as demanding respect is bad. Respect has to be earned and cannot be demanded no matter what office one holds. Clinton is a bad example of one who should be respected because of his position. Calling everyone idiots, fools and enemies of the nation makes me wonder how you could become so obviously disgruntled, after all we know that basically the Democrats and the Republicans all report to the same head and have all been equally responsible for creating the dire situation in which we find ourselves today. Hating them all will not help one bit. We actually need someone with sense, resolve and integrity to do the right thing instead of doing the same old thing again and again. At some stage we need to realize that enough is enough, the same old actions keep on producing the same old results and we need to do something differently and have a plan in place to achieve what we need to do. Hating everyone and blaming everyone won’t cut it I’m afraid. Otherwise have a great day and I hope it won’t be filled with so much hatred.

        • EdinNola

          It is amazing to me to hear such cool and dispassionate talk while the entire world is crumbling around our heads. I am afraid that I cannot bring myself to be so blind. I really am not built that way, and I can tell you it is tearing me apart. The only thing that I hate in this world is Communism. It is pure evil, a lie, and is taking over this country. Support it and you also are evil. There are a lot of people around with their heads in the sand. We are meant to pass on something a little better to our children. We as Americans are allowing our nation to be destroyed in front of our eyes and the hell with our children. OMG – Obama Must Go

        • bob wire

          Peter, this is an angry site. Many of the posters are regulars and follow the thread all day. ~ So they are not real busy doing something “else” and hate is what they seem to aspire too.

          I love it! ~ It’s fun , it allows you a view into the minds of angry old white men and a few ladies that have a lot on their minds and plenty of time to voice it. Of course there is other people here as well, ~ It’s a treasury hunt here everyday, as we dig though tons of dirt to find a few nuggets well worth keeping.

          Try to stay light hearted , it helps.

          • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

            Those “angry old White Men” as you state are many old men who were once young and who volunteered or were drafted to fight in the armed forces of this great nation in Vietnam, Korea, the beaches of Normandy France better known as Omaha Beach, the rancid jungles of Guadalcanal, hell holes like Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa etc. etc. so you and any other U.S. Citizens can spout and spew your ignorant venomous insults at “angry old White Men” who as young men served their nation for our nation to continue to be free and independent from tyrannical people all over the world who would take as many opportunities as possible to force American Citizens how to think, what to think and when to think it. You have your priorities mixed up when you insult “angry old White Men” who just happened to be born a White male and who just happened to able to defend and protect our nation after they were called up by their nation to do their obligated duty to risk their own lives in the service and defense of their nation. I know, because I am one of those “angry old White Men” and the vast overwhelming majority of the fighting and the dying in all of America’s Wars was performed mostly by young males who just happened to be born White males. If you have a problemn with “angry old White Men” in this country now, then you would really have a very serious problem with the angry old White Founding Fathers who had the guts to sign their signatures on the Declaration Of Independence on July 4th of 1776 knowing full well that if they were ever captured by the British, they would immediately be hanged on the gallows as treasonous traitors against the British Government and against Great Britain’s King George III. Stand in the shoes of some of us “angry old White Men” especially when we were young White Men fighting for our survival as free men and fighting for your survival as a free man or a free woman to live in a free country without tyranny. Thankfully the Civil War did produce many good results such as finally freeing the enslaved people of the black race regardless of the fact that too many good men, who just happened to be White Men and many were still only young teenage boys, on both the Union side and the Confederate side needlessly lost their lives for a war that should have never started in the first place and could have been avoided.

      • Michael

        When this “President” starts showing a little respect for my country, I might show some for him in return. I didn’t serve four years just to have my country become a socialist or pseudo-communist state.

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Copy that.

      • Al Sieber

        dj, you sure are a dumb a$$ now you can subscribe to “sheeple magazine”, why think? let the media think for you, let the Govt. think for you. sit back back, relax and do as your told.

        • Al Sieber

          You can’t keep blaming Bush and past administrations.

          • Dan az

            Now that’s what I’m talking about,People like this guy Have know clue and I’m sure his mother ties his shoes for him every day.These kind of people should not be aloud to vote!There is a mental problem that needs to be addresses.They think he has done nothing wrong!Wow if this one had even one working brain cell he wouldn’t have written what he just spewed.How embarrassing it must be for his words to be laid out in front of God and everyone showing his stupidity and the very reason that we are all in this mess.

          • Al Sieber

            I know Dan, all you can tell people is I hope you wake up, and move on.

      • Robert A Hirschmann

        I respect the office of the President of the United States. However, the current president I have no respect for. He swore to uphold and protect the Constitution yet he bypassed and sidestepped it at every turn. He gave amnesty to the illegal aliens among us. In his new bill, “The American Jobs Act”, I’m sure. will be filled with those illegals. I don’t think he has any plan that will work.

        When elected Obama had a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. He could have pushed through all kinds of bills to heal this nation with no opposition. Now the House is Republican and he complains that the Republicans are stopping everything he plans to get this country back on track. He had his chance and blew it.
        Is the country better off with Obamacare? When exactly has the government run anything successfully? There is a story going around that a house of ill repute was taken over by the government and still lost money.
        Is the country better off with more government control and restrictions. Ask any business in America how much better off they are now as opposed to before Obama. That’s why we are unemployed. No business can afford to hire more people due to government restrictions. More businesses are moving out of the country to avoid all the rules and laws of the government. Can you really blame them?
        Is the country better off by raising the debt limit to such a high number that we will never be able to pay it off?

      • http://yahoo skyraider 6

        you are the fool clinton lucked out because of reagan and senior’s admin.look it up

      • bob wire

        Thank you djdrew103, as I was reading along, that’s exactly what I was thinking! ~ Well,~ where is “their plan”?

        We seem to live among “defeatist” in this nation anymore. ~ If “their guy” can’t be the “chosen one” it simply won’t work! They can fabricate more reasons why something “can’t work” in 3 minutes then looking 3 days for reasons that it could.

        If things are not bad enough, they seem to take delight in making it worse! The joy of maybe offering a “I told you so” is just too appealing.

        There is a lacking of any willfulness to address today’s problems other then to call for a complete shake up in government, while leaving the door wide open for the same a$$holes that has created much of our problems.

        I hold Ron Paul in high regard, but one man can’t change what is happening today. This should be obvious as entrenched power has Ron Paul painted the Red headed Step Child of the “contenders” . Ron Paul has not kissed their backside like Perry, or Bachmann and doors are closed to him.

        Dr. Paul is not getting any traction today and left running knee deep in mud as he tries to keep up. The GOP leadership or should I say, “the power behind the GOP leadership” wants Dick Perry and is willing to settle for Rommey.

        Here we go again! Another general election and the GOP is giving me no options.

        I hope the Tea Party tears the GOP apart! But I feel there are factions inside the Tea Party that are simply using it for personal gain and have little regard for the American people and their way of life. They hide in your numbers in the Amen section. They wish to install their people which is most understandable. These people don’t believe in “Liberty and Justice for all” or that “all men or created equal” but believe that the guy that dies with the most “toys” is the winner. That the “winner” had to walk on a 100,000 dead Americans to acquire this “toys” is not seen as important. ~ somehow everyone found deserving of their demise and received their just reward, by any “means” less reverent to some out come. Or to say the destination more important then the actual journey.

        “When we “get there” only then might things be better!” forgetting life is THE JOURNEY and everyone’s destination is the same.

      • daniel

        Loved the rant. Love the trolls!! We can get ourselves out of this mess we are in. We do not need Republocrats getting in our way either such as McCain. First of all we have to look at ourselves and discover what will we take responsibility for. Yes that will mean we are our brothers keeper and not the governments’ job. You see for every entitlement there is a bit of freedom that it costs everyone. The issue here is that people like to blame others for their lot in this life.
        We do have the ability to manufacture our goods as well as produce enough energy to support ourselves. However you need to ask yourselves why we are not allowed to. Let the Saudis keep their oil and the Chinese their money. Lower the income tax rate and the federal budget to minimum levels. Allow the states themselves to budget for themselves. There would be more efficiency as states are more responsive than the federal government is.
        Blame Bush all you want as well as Obama. Rome still burns as the clowns in Washington stoke the fires. They do not care as long as their agenda is fulfilled. Be radical and do something.

      • Gfaria

        I would suggest you read “Crimes against Liberty” and then tell me who is the power grabber and who thinks he is above the law. The book is very interesting and really shows how the President has taken care of all his cronies and not the American People. He will continue spending money we don’t have and eventually, if he gets his way, the government will be forced to tax us right into a hole. And by the way, I am not stupid!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Sounds like a long winded pointless jovianus reply to me.

        • Buster the Anatolian

          that was meant for djdrew103

    • eddie47d

      China is trouncing us in the global economy and all SC can do is fiddle some more while her Rome burns. I reckon she can be as simple minded as she wants in forgetting to call the fire department.Of coarse we should mistrust big government and question it’s every move. I feel the same way about the private sector and their motives all the time. Yet everything suggested in this Jobs Bill is urgently needed for a stronger and employable workforce. So stop complaining about high unemployment if you don’t even want the road to recovery to even start. That has been evident for 3 years now and it looks like you are pushing for a 4th year. Sabotaging jobs so your side can get reelected is not conducive for a brighter America.Quite the opposite on this one.

      • Jibbs

        Creating government jobs doe’s not create wealth, it steals it.

      • JeffH

        deja vu all over again?

        Many details about Obama’s jobs bill are still sparse. He tossed out various claims about how much Americans or businesses would receive in tax cuts…and speaking of politics…how about that bridge from Kentucky(McConnell) to Ohio(Boehner).

        “tax loopholes for oil companies” or “tax credits for small businesses.” Or “tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires” or “teachers back to work.” Sounds oh so familiar doesn’t it?

        Obama used more neutral language, saying “it’s time to clear the way for a series of trade agreements.” But Obama’s claim that regulatory reform will save “billions of dollars in the next few years” is dubious at best. Every president promises that don’t they? Hmmm, déjà vu all over again!

        Obama says “Over the next two years, this(jobs)plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs,” Obama said the same thing in a speech to a similar joint session of Congress on Feb. 24, 2009 that cost the taxpayers $800 billion. Not sure about the jobs saved part, but the country has certainly not created net jobs since then — there are almost 2 million fewer jobs since he made those remarks 2 1/2 years ago. déjà vu all over again?

        Remeber this lie from 2009, “More than 90 percent of these jobs will be in the private sector — jobs rebuilding our roads and bridges; constructing wind turbines and solar panels; laying broadband and expanding mass transit.”

        Sounds a lot like Stimulus II…or déjà vu all over again.

        • JeffH

          OOPS! Forgot one important thing…PASS THE BILL, PASS THE BILL, PASS THE BILL, PASS THE BILL, PASS THE BILL, PASS THE BILL, then we’ll read it to find out just what’s really in it. JUST PASS THE BILL Dammit!

          Wasn’t it Pelosi? déjà vu all over again!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        ” and all SC can do is fiddle some more while her Rome burns.”

        SC might be fiddleing but at least she is not lighting more fires and fanning the flames like eddie.

        • eddie47d

          SC has been using allot of matches on a daily basis. Since she is usually the first one out of the starting gate each day I believe her agenda is very clear. To get everyone on board with her BBQ.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            you need to get away from that little guy more often and talk to some ADULTS!! You are starting to sound just like a four year old, even to answering questions with ” Where are your links, buster” like a little boy would!! Earlier, in the other thread, I asked you why nobummer didn’t get rid of the patriot act when he had a veto proof majority and you asked for LINKS?? Even a prog like you should know he had one, so there isn’t a need for a link!! now you want to answer the question?? Oh, and don’t give me that he was afraid that the repubs would try even harder to destroy him bull, either!!

          • eddie47d

            Who or what are you smoking Joe!!!

    • CJM

      On the contrary, sc, the people of the US are well aware of what a billion or a trillion dollars means and is worth. Quit acting as if the American people are stupid–we aren’t, but it makes me wonder about you.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Fact not Fiction
    To ensure that the American Jobs Act is fully paid for, the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target. The President will, in the coming days, release a detailed plan that will show how we can do that while achieving the additional deficit reduction necessary to meet the President’s broader goal of stabilizing our debt as a share of the economy.

    • Raggs

      No disrespect to you but do you realize how many times that we have heard that line of crap?


        Sir, with all due respect, Raggs is correct.
        If you give O’bummer an inch, he and his butt-buddies will rape you.
        But wait… isn’t that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell for him?
        We all nees to ASK more often. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        and he will put it all on CNN!!! Sound familiar???

    • daniel

      If the One was serious about the debt he would lead by example. I for one am tired of paying for his vacations. I am tired of paying for his re-election campaign disguised as a million dollar bus. I am tired of paying for congressional perks up the wazoo while there are homeless and people out of jobs. I am tired of paying for bailouts for too big to fail companies,( Yes the Cabinet has Wall Street people in it) and their lobbyists. I am tired of seeing the government grow while the private sector shrinks. That can only mean trouble of epic proportions. Who will pay for it?
      If he was a leader and had a clue he would give suggestions and examples of debt reduction. He would prove out the math as my teachers would say and show how each cut would work. Instead he kicks the can down the road to a “Super Committee” so he has someone else to blame.
      If a general conducted his battle plan in the same manner as this jobs bill is being proposed that general would lose the battle. You don’t tell your subordinates to do something first then tell them I will get back to you later with the details. You do, you lose.

    • Dan az

      “The President will, in the coming days, release a detailed plan that will show how we can do that while achieving the additional deficit reduction necessary to meet the President’s broader goal of stabilizing our debt as a share of the economy.”
      Yep just cant wait to hear the news Gas now $10 a gal.Toll booths in every city,Get the picture yet?He didn’t raise taxes per say!Lets just pass it and see how were going to pay for it later,Hey he wont be in office so everyone can blame the next guy right?So your IQ is about what 3?Give me a break!You must be from Kalifornia and work for pelousy Am I right?

  • Greg

    The so called cuts haven’t even started and here he is wanting $447 billion more. All of Obama’s spending cut talk is just that.



    From 1946 to 1980 the period was known as the GREAT MIDDLE CLASS YEARS
    Each President worked to reduce the Debt from WWII.
    In 1980 Debt was less than 1000 Billion and Government Spending was 600 Billion per year.

    Reagan boastful Cut Taxes plus Cut the size of Government was a Trojan Horse, per his OMB Stockman, to cut Taxes for very rich.

    Reagan was Governor for 8 years during which he increased Taxes on many items.
    He increased the state revenues more than any predecessor.
    By Far. Cutting Government? Ho Hum. Blarney Baloney once more.

    Reagan policies increased Spending by 80% .
    Debt by 186%.
    9-30-81 Debt was $999.9 Billion and 9-30-89 at $1,859 Billion
    Conservatives use Spin: It was Congress.
    From 1930 to 1980 we spent $6066 Billion.
    Reagan 8 Budgets totaled over $7000 Billion.
    Congress? Ho Hum.
    Blarney Baloney.
    Congress returned Reagan 8 budgets for his signature with
    fewer total dollars on them.
    Haynes Johnson in “sleepwalking” said Reagan administration was “most scurrilous in history”
    138 were investigated /charged/fined. More than total for all preceding Presidents in 20th century.
    There were scandals in 27 Departments of the Federal Government.
    Most involved money fraud.
    The book “Ronald Reagan-There he goes again” documents over 300 incorrect statements by good old Ron.
    Each President from 1945 reduced the Debt then came Spend-Borrow Reagan
    to increase government by 80%.

    THEN-Here comes GHW BUSH.
    No braggart here. Nice Gentleman.
    He increased Debt to $4411 Billion.
    A 54% Increase.
    Give him credit for increasing Tax on Rich due to out of control Deficits.
    He had courage to put America first over ideology and party.

    The Debt on 9-30-1993 was $4411 Billion.
    The Debt on 9-30-01 was $5807 Billion.
    An increase of $1396 or 31%
    He ended with a surplus.

    HERE comes old King of Spend-Borrow GW BUSH
    Debt was $5807 Billion and on 9-30-09 it was $11,909 Billion.
    105% increase.
    Bush I-54%
    Bush II-105%
    Reagan-Bush I-Bush II did not pay down a penny of debt in 20 years
    Those Three Famous Conservatives added $10,946 Billion to our Debt.
    Three so called Famous “conservatives” promoted cut government
    Up = Down to them.
    9-30-81 to 9-30-09 we paid $8400 Billion in Interest.
    87% Interest Paid on Debt incurred by the Famous 3.

    Is it not possible(no) that without Reagan + Bush Tax Cuts we would enjoy a Surplus?

    Increase Unearned Income Tax to 40%. Make Gamblers pay.
    Increase Top Income Tax Rate to 40%
    Increase Estate Tax big time big time biggie
    Eliminate Loopholes on Corporate profits—Set a Minimum
    2008 -16% average payment-(top rate 35%)

    In 2003 distribution of corporate profits by CBO report revealed
    Bottom 80% of Income earners got 8%–Top 5% got 67%—Top 1% got 49%
    2009 Tax Return of Exxon pays no tax on billions in profits. Wrong. Sad.
    2007—Exxon paid no tax. Got a Refund.
    2010—Exxon Profit 45 Billion. Let us see if pay a tax?
    Renew Revenue Sharing to return cost to rich from middle class

    Clarence Swinney
    Political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations.
    Lifeaholics Of America — old n ugly but honest mad mad mad at Inequality in Amrica
    Author-Lifeaholic-Work for a Life not just a Living—Workaholic to Lifeaholic
    Author-forthcoming– title not decided—How Democrats created a Great Middle Class and Wall Street Rich Conservatives are determined to destroy it
    Many Stats from 12-6-09 article by John Lucia “The National Debt:Betrayal and Devastation
    Comments and corrections welcome at I do err.

    • djdrew103

      I would agree with everything but the corporate tax cut….tax cuts in that avenue have never been proven to increase jobs here at home…I would say … give tax cuts to corporations that can prove that they are bringing jobs home to America, and that prove their worth…then allow them to receive the incentives and tax cuts, if not, raise their general tax to 40% and let them pay well above the share while they reap windfall profits.

      As far as the historical and chronological points of presidents that took our country to its knees, read my above post reply and you will see I agree totally. But the republican supporters will merely spread the lies that their gods enable them with, and claim Clinton didn’t help the country, it was a republican lead Congress that did…what fools!

    • bob wire

      WoW !CLARENCE SWINNEY, ~ you don’t really expect them to believe that do you? They are blind to these facts and have when so far as attempted to rewrite history to hide them and blame liberals and liberal controlled media and institutions for creating false illusions.

      They refuse to see Ronnie as a democrat or a great and long time pitch man for corporate America. To them, Ron Reagan is all that is good about America. Like Pillsbury or Coke a Cola, the red, white and blue, momma and apple pie.

      Where as, you and I look on him much like they look on Lincoln. Someone that was much “beloved” yet we could have done without and we’d all be better off today.

      To reflect on the unflattering about Ronnie’s tenure is like inviting Micheal Moore over for dinner.

    • chuckb

      swinney, you misconstrue figures about as good as anyone, where did you get your analysis from, the teachers union or straight from the bolshevik headquarters. you didn’t make mention that the congress spends the money not the president, he can go along with it or veto, when a president has control over both houses then you can blame the party, such as the case with barry and company.

      clinton did not leave a surplus and barry takes blame for the bush 2009 deficit since he added to that deficit, he and the bolsheviks who had control of both houses since 2006 and barry and the bolsheviks had complete control from 2008-2010 and guess where the deficit went then clarence. and also mr. swinney your messiah set in the senate two years before becoming president and voted for all the deficit you blame bush for.

      • Dan az

        Now Now we cant have facts on the table when libs start drooling and sputtering,they just get in the way.Pretzel logic is the only thing they know!Just try to imagine living your life with this kind of logic and you’ll see that it takes a special kind of person to maintain this intellect.Public indoctrination camps have been supplying us with type for a very long time now and what I call them is special.Remember when you were in school there was always another class that was just for the special ones.So be kind and don’t make their heads explode with the facts its just not right its cruel. :)

        • eddie47d

          Show us where Sweeney’s facts were wrong and then you can gloat. Until then I think you a a wee bit envious.

          • chuckb

            why bother taking the time to go over his figures. you can read, i hope, check’em out yourself. most of it is misconstrued. clinton didn’t leave a surplus. let’s talk about here and now. let’s talk about the deficit your messiah is running, let’s talk about the national debt now. barry has made everyone else look like a piker from 2009 todate and he’s just getting started, he wants to add another half trillion with his new idiot plan. this is all done within a time span of 2 1/2 years, five trillion in three years. so that kind of makes the past look like kindergarden stuff. swinney will be spinning in his sleep. i wonder if he will write a book about this one.

          • eddie47d

            Well I sure hope you’re not writing a book for it would be a sleeper.

    • independant thinker

      “The Debt on 9-30-1993 was $4411 Billion.
      The Debt on 9-30-01 was $5807 Billion.
      An increase of $1396 or 31%
      He ended with a surplus.”

      How did Clinton end with a surplus your own numbers say he increased the national debt.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Clarence Swinney,
      show me on the GAO site where it says Clinton ACTUALLY had a balance!!

      • JeffH

        Never had one… :)

  • terry

    Ron Paul will be the best President to return the county to real Americans and to re-direct our Nation from the hodge podge it is becoming. I only hope it is not too late.

    • Robert A Hirschmann

      Ron Paul is everything Obama is not. Obama wants to destroy this country and Paul wants to restore it back to where it was. Obama thinks, “you have to send money to make money”. That may be true but you also have to HAVE the money to spend. Instead of giving amnesty to all the illegals and increasing regulations on businesses we need to obey the existing laws and return all illegals to where they came from. Remove the restrictions on the private factor and let them fend for themselves. If they fail, so be it. If they succeed, hurray for them as they will hire more to expand their businesses. Isn’t that the way this country grew to be what it is? Ron Paul has the right idea and I’ll vote for him anyday!

  • sean murrey ILLInio

    The one who should be blaming is obummer himself.

    • Robert A Hirschmann

      You are 100% right! The congress should have impeached him a long time ago. Why haven’t they? I wish I had an answer to that. Obama has avoided, bypassed and basically ignored the Constitution and all it stands for. Yet he swore “to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States”. Did he swear it on the Holy Bible or the Koran? If on the Bible, since he is a Muslim, he probably feels that it is not a valid oath. If this is not impeachable I don’t know what is. I call it treason. And that is certainly impeachable!

      • eddie47d

        Since he is not a Muslim then the Oath he took on the Bible is indeed valid. You may win with “facts” but not through the use of your poison pen.

        • bob wire

          these are the “unreachable ones” eddie, don’t waste your time, it’s not worth the bother. As long as they breath, they will hold tight to these views, ~making them irrelevant is civil discourse.

  • http://aol Mike

    The megalomania of this President is a curse on this nation. Sadly, a clueless electorate enabled this curse. The willingness of both the Executive Office and the Congress to squander money they don’t have, to fix problems that they have created continues unabated. So much for capping the debt! So much for fiscal sanity!

    The notion that spending a half billion dollars on a “jobs” bill is ludicrous. Job creation originating from government is a myth (unless you are talking about hack jobs). I assume that support for this boondoggle will be bipartisan. The inmates are truly running the asylum.

    • http://aol Mike

      Sorry folks, I got carried away confusing one half billion for one half trillion dollars. I guess like so many , the numbers have lost their meaning since it is all counterfeit anyway. Unfortunately it will either have to be borrowed from foolish investers or stolen from the taxpayers regardless of real worth.

      • Raggs

        Hey Mike… I bet that oblama will demand that the debt ceiling be raised another trillion by this years end….

        • Dan az

          Nah he will just go on vacation now.If I was him it would be permanently to kenya.

          • bob wire

            You are hung up on the “Kenya thing” aren’t you Dan. I believe “O” was a child then and did as all children,honored their father and mother.

            We all start some place and aspire ~I see you’ve yet to leave Arizona. A state where the largest employer in the state is GOVERNMENT!

            If you hate government some much why not “aspire” beyond. You are not being forced to stay there against your will are you? There is 51 other states that you could call home.

            Yuma is the arm pit of America, Bisbee and Douglas are not exactly hot beds of commerce and human development. If it wasn’t for Mexican Nationals crossing the border to shop, your taxes and living standards would be impossible to maintain.

            Just how does it feel to be so dependent on Mexican Nationals to maintain your “comfort zone” in your retirement years?

          • ALL AMERICAN

            Hey guys…
            Wouldn’t you rather send him on a one-way trip to the moon instead.
            Then, we could really tell our children the story of the ‘Man In The Moon.’

          • Raggs

            He should have stayed in kenya.

          • Dan az

            Well Bobby
            I have been here for almost twenty years now and hope to be buried here.The problem with your logic is that the mexicans only come here to abuse the system not work.One of there only better paying positions is the mexican mafia that runs the heroine trade.Other than that they cant be hired anymore legally that is.We spend 2 billion dollars a year on them in our hospitals and schools thanks to obumer and friends.And we put up with the law suits that the obomanation has put on us and when we try to stop them they just get released by way of obumer so bobby all I can say is the heard is thinning out.I like the gun laws here bobby they seem to even the odds.How about you!

          • eddie47d

            Kenya Dan, what good have those “no gun laws” done that you love so much. Waiting for another Tucson killing to brag up on how wonderful your access is?

          • bob wire

            “.The problem with your logic is that the mexicans only come here to abuse the system not work.”

            I beg to differ with you Dan. ~ Walmart is the state of Arizona’s second largest employer and the only reason for that in because of Logistics !

            For as far as 300 miles inside the Mexican border Walmart is the only places that retails quality goods in any quantity at all. So Mexican Nationals does indeed prop you up. Besides all the cheap roofing, concrete work and yard work and other services that you expect of them.

            I’m left to believe that you rarely get out of the house if you plan to argue this cold hard fact. It’s much the same way in Texas, the only difference being is , all white people know that the Anglo population drops off 3 miles south of San Anton and you are in Mexican dominated country side to the sea or another 4 hours of hard driving and 6 hours if you are headed to the tip of the North Americas.

            We have excepted it. It was theirs first, they were here first and thus we are steeped in the Mexican culture. Unlike what you 20 short years has done for you. At 20 years you are still an outsider complaining about cactus after moving into a mess of them. LOL! You moved into the Land of Mananna. ~ I’ve lived all over, Eagle Pass was just two notches above Yuma. ~ The roosters there crow until 10 am!

          • bob wire

            “Hey guys…
            Wouldn’t you rather send him on a one-way trip to the moon instead.
            Then, we could really tell our children the story of the ‘Man In The Moon.’”

            This reminds me of a Cartoon joke I seen a few months ago.

            It was a picture of these two astronauts dress in their moon walking suits stand over a body wearing a woman dress lying on the moon surface with planet earth high in the background sky. This one astronaut is saying to the other,
            “It’s Alice Kramdon!”

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey bobbie,
            sounds like maybe you employ the illegals, do you?? That WOULD explain a lot!!

    • djdrew103

      Mike, you’re a total imbecile! Look at the Roosevelt years and then come back and spread your BS about how a President can’t bring a country back from a depression and joblessness. You are merely among the rabble rousers who wish to claim intelligent rebuff but have to lie to do it. Your republican agendas put this country on its knees and will continue to do so as long as there are fools like you to worship your political leaders and cry despair.

  • Howard Conklin

    While quick to point a finger CLARENCE SWINNEY says nothing about this current Pres.

    • eddie47d

      Because we know what past Presidents have done. How some of their plans have built America and how some have weakened America.That would be Democrats and Republicans alike. He was only showing how foolish it is to believe that either side will be honest in their assessments. Ronald Reagan was no exception in the case he was making. Big plans don’t always work but inaction is leaving the nation just as economically empty.

    • bob wire

      “Howard Conklin says:
      September 12, 2011 at 7:48 am

      While quick to point a finger CLARENCE SWINNEY says nothing about this current Pres.”

      If you “could” listen, read and understand, Clarence is telling us how we got to when we are at today.

      Now “how” might not be all that important if so many people didn’t seem to believe to continue Reagan’s policies was somehow a direction worth continuing.

      This notion that government should be rigid and unbending is unrealistic and unproductive. Government is to guide and stay on a heading that is deemed desirable to the health of the nation as a whole and not for just a “few”.

      Reagan policies has allowed “the few” to overwhelm our government while making puppets of our elected officials.

      Clarance has laid it out there for you to accept or rebuke.

      This President, like those since Reagan are dealing with forces the American people didn’t elect and with every passing years they get only stronger and mute the voices of the “people”

      • http://?? Joe H.

        what was the unemployment rate then and what was the price of goods then? or is this just another try at teflon type blame avoidance on yours and Nobummers part???

      • bob wire

        You need to narrow your question or rebuttal to a point Joe. I’ll gladly respond when I understand the thrust you are attempting to make inside some kind of context.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Just remember bobby teflon wears off after awhile!!

          • Jibbs

            Nice one Joe.

          • Dan az

            He’s the teflon don!

  • Sam I am

    I wonder how many of you idiots out there will worship Obama after the next staged terrorist attack. “Oh save us all oh fearless leader from a cause of death far less than the chance of me dying in my own car!!! save us!!!

    • Raggs

      Staged terror attack.. funny that you should mention that… You have seen the media scaring people to death with a BOGUS threat of attack.
      It reminds me of so many statements by the socialist administration that their use of fear mongering tatics in order to get their agenda through, take this current stimulus bill that has to be passed so we can find out what is in it and if it doesn’t pass the sky is going to fall and we will all die….

    • bob wire

      My guess is, you live in a state of “wonderment” and mostly about the wrong things.

      It’s quite simple actually. When you attack it incites a response to defend.

      Now on the other hand if I elected to attack rather then just defend, I’m suspected of being “mean spirited” and just plain narrow minded and ornery.

      What you seem to be looking for is an opponent that lays before your feet offering no opposition to your verminous insults and attacks.

      Which in my mind make you a pu$$y of some sort.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        only you would know what it takes to produce one of those!!!

        • bob wire

          Whatever Joe, ~ I call it like I see it. ~ If you want to be nice and disagree fine, You want to be mean and nasty and disagree fine. I’m very comfortable with variables. But I’ve no interest in being mean and nasty for the sake of being mean and nasty nor will I be offended or frightened by it.

  • Delores Smith

    You have sidestepped our U.S. Congress too many times. When you gave your speech to the joint session of Congress, you spoke in the House of Representatives. That is the House of the people. Americans voted for the represenatives that you addressed, and I don’t like your blame game. My goal is to vote you out of office, and if you do anything to prevent this election, I will charge George Soros, you, and your radicals with TREASON in a court…all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Obama, you don’t have a TRUTH mode. You are a consistent LIAR, a peon of Soros, with a goal of collapsing our economy, and incorporating the United States into your New World Order. I will not allow this to happen. CONGRESS: The key word is DEFUND. Weaken their agenda: 1. The overthowing of sovereign nations in the Mideast and Northern Africa 2. Allow citizens to register to vote only at the Board of Elections. Throw out all deceased voters from the books and multiple registrations (Acorn, Voter Moter Act, etc.) We want an honest election. 3. No back door amnesty for illegals. We have sleepercells all over the U.S. Illegals have come in through our borders from Terrorist countries (Pakistin, Yemen, Syria, etc.) Identify everyone. Start with Sanctuary Cities. This is our 112th Congress. Let’s do what’s best for our nation.
    Delores Smith

    • AJ

      Here here Delores Smith! Amen to you! Right on!!!!

    • Robert A Hirschmann

      With Obama Bin Laden leading this country the question of illegals is irrelevant . When he destroys out economy enough to equal a third world country there will not be any illegals coming here. Even the ones we have now will be leaving since our economy will be worse then where they came from. There, problem solved! Aren’t you glad now that you voted him in?
      It seems that all along Obama Ben Ladens goal was to destroy America. So far he’s done a great job of it. When he accomplishes his task he will declare himself the first dictator of the United States. This will be another Muslim nation with him as our new Mohammed. Won’t that be great?
      Here he is telling the world that he is a Muslim. So, who was responsible for 9/11? What religion preaches that America is the Devil and should be killed at all costs? Look at the facts and decide if Obama is good for America!
      There is enough B***SH** coming out of the white house to fertilize the world and feed everybody. Maybe Obummer figures that we can pay down the national debt by selling fertilizer.

    • Dan az

      I agree and nice to see you back.


      HOOAH !!!
      America needs more women who CARE like you do !

  • AJ

    Obama sounds as though he’s stimulating the creation of union jobs. Or trying to put money into the pockets of Union Suits instead of Union workers. Who knows the man has a problem with telling the truth?

    • Raggs

      I have been telling you people that for what MONTHS… Sheeple never listen and never learn…

  • FreedomFighter

    ANYTHING Obummer whats to do should be resisted, nothing this guy does is what it seems.

    Allmost all here in this website could fix the country using common sense solutions that have survived the test of time and use.

    Remove job killing regulation
    Tariff some imports to spur job creation
    Build power plants and unleash the energy sector for cheap power.

    Did Obama do any of this? NO NO NO a thousand time no


    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi


      Laus, I am right there with you, Brother.
      How is it that nobody listens?

  • Raggs

    So here we go again spending the future away in order to be re-elected via the unions thugs… When oblama says that this will be paid for he means that he has kicked the can down the road… DUH!!! When he says that it will “create jobs” it means that he will be re-elected by the unions… DUH!!!! Ok so is everyone awake yet and understand what I am telling you?

    • eddie47d

      Why should anyone listen to you Raggs when you never tell the whole truth. You’re too excitable to be credible! Maybe you are the one who needs to listen more so you can learn instead of twisting the screw on all the hyperbole.

      • Raggs

        Ed… Do you know of anything that comes out of this administration that is worth listening to???? How much of it is the truth???
        Lets start from there ed..

        • eddie47d

          Every political side has it’s extremists or those who talk in those terms. You react towards Obama like those who hated Bush.Same kind of apple only falling from a different tree.What is best for America should be the goal not who is leading the charge.Reagan and Bush made some huge blunders. Clinton and Obama made mistakes so try and sort out the hype from what is best for this country.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            get that boys nuc out of your mouth, you aren’t making any sense!!! got a real answer to my question yet??

          • eddie47d

            When you try and ask a real question.

        • Brad


          That’s why Clinton gave Bush II a recession, then Bush II tried to reign in the financial mess and the rats in congress said there’s nothing wrong. Then to sugest financial reforms to prevent a financial melt down that was observed in 07-08. Sure Bush II bailed out GM and Chrysler to include starting TARP I, since Ohmamas election its been nothing but spend spend spend and in 32 months we are sitting at 14.6 trillion in public debt. When does the spending end eddie and the austerity measures implemented so our government starts paying down the debt? The so called deficit reductions this so called super committe are suppose to propose will impose any where from 1.2 to 1.5 trillion in spending cuts over ten year’s, o.k. that’s only 120 billion to 150 billion annualy, a drop in the so called bucket of our annual budgit of 3.1 to 3.5 trillion dollars.

      • JeffH

        wddie say, “Why should anyone listen to you Raggs when you never tell the whole truth. You’re too excitable to be credible! Maybe you are the one who needs to listen more so you can learn instead of twisting the screw on all the hyperbole.”

        Those words from a person who has zero crediility and absolutly can’t differentiate the difference between a lie and the truth. 20 – 0 if memory serves me right.

        Speaking of a liar…here’s a few of eddies past words…

        August 21, 2011 at 11:39 am
        Dave H can be a liar and a slanderer.As a matter of fact Jeff can also be a liar and a slanderer. You keep on doing it so I will assume the rest of us will have to put up with your occasional “fib”. I love when Dave says he didn’t say something when the words are right there in print. I may be misinterpreted in what I say but I won’t say that it wasn’t my words like Dave does.

        A response back to Eddie:
        Of course, this question will remain unanswered by Eddie – Can Easy-E can substantiate these allegations with great detail and credibility? Absolutley not! Your(Eddie’s) constant lack of details and facts only renders your opinions and reputation as “discreditable”.

        Eddie August 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm
        Can you substantiate my apparent lies Jeff? WE are all waiting with baiting breath to see what you can come up with next. Your wild accusations are like a cannon ball rolling down a hill looking for a place to land. You are either obsessed or mentally unstable.

        August 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
        WE(Eddie believes he speaks for everyone else) means everyone on this site Jeff or do you live in a bubble? Am I a liar? Apparently you think so and shout it from the roof top. If someone says something you don’t like doesn’t make that person a liar. If you can’t come up with a comment that proves me wrong then there is no lie. The lie would only be in your hurt feelings when you can’t prove me wrong.You slash and burn with slander(calling me a liar) instead of presenting the “correct answer” or don’t you have any correct answers from your own thoughts.

        In response to Eddies denial of being a liar DaveH posted this comment which openly confirmed Eddie’s lie:
        August 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm
        You said this, Eddie, you lying slanderer — “We do see Jeff and Dave H. making personal threats (mostly mocking) against those they disagree with. That is everyday right Dave?”.
        Here is the link to the comment where Eddie said that:
        I’m saying you are a liar. That is a fact. When you lie about somebody, the burden is on you to prove your statement, Ignoramus. You made a false statement, and I’m calling you out. If you’re not lying it is as simple as finding one of my comments that backs up that statement. You won’t because it doesn’t exist. And you know it, you sick Troll.

        A lie can haunt you…to deny your lies can haunt you forever… :)

        • Dan az

          Brother Jeff
          Eddie is one of the special people. ;)

        • eddie47d

          Bring it on Jeff and I will stand by each and every one of my words. I hope the folks here read those quotes and in your link. They will then truly see what kind of person you are and how you manipulate what others say. Why do you want to keep embarrassing yourself so much. Do you even get any sleep at night trolling others so much? After the second day I delete all comments and move on; too bad you are proving you live in the past and are obsessive about it.( Jeff is still trying to be the thought police) Since there is no 20-1 and that is something you congered up I believe they will see you as the liar.

          • JeffH

            No doubt you stand y your words…that’s the beautifull part of having you around…ya just make it so easy…YA PATHALOGICAL LIAR!

          • eddie47d

            When are going to become a man Jeff instead of lying about everything? You sound like a silly wounded hyena.

  • Disgusted

    More useless rhetoric from a useless president with nothing but empty promises. Sadley, this has become the status quo.

  • Dan az

    I’ve seen all the polls and have watched the GOP try and side track the only one that could fix this mess.I say we lean on them to make the only choice that this country can stand by.Lets take a poll right here and now!Who votes for Ron Paul?Who votes for obumer?Never mind the other candidates they are the same as voting for the same as we have now.
    I vote Ron paul

    • Raggs

      Dan… I have to wonder how many black panthers will be at the voting stations in 12?

      I think that they will regret it if they show up with their billy clubs…

      • Dan az

        I don’t think they will the numbers are against them.So is the IQ levels.Accidents do happen from time to time though. ;)

      • 45caliber


        I don’t think there are any BPs down here in my area but I do intend to carry my cane when I go vote in 12. My cane is a copy of a blackthorn cane from Scotland – and it is meant to act as a club, just as the original ones are. Thanks to 20 years as knight marshal in the SCA, I know how to use it as a mace too – one of my favorite weapons.

        • Raggs

          I dont want trouble at the booths, but I have no doubt that the strong arm unions will attempt fear in little old ladies.

          • eddie47d

            Fear and smear! Is that the new motto on the Right. You two must be scared of your own shadow creating bogeymen in your minds.

          • bob wire

            Oh! get out of town. ~ Polling places are the safest place in America today. If you bother to volunteer and run one someday you’d know that.

            I assure you, it makes for a long stressful day. About 14 hours with no such things as “breaks” much less Lunch hour.

            Inappropriate behavior, literature or spacing violations are met with a certain and rapid response with full support of local authority. All volunteers are trained to know the rules and they are very clear and taken seriously. Casting a Ballot is a solemn and singular act and not a performance.

          • 45caliber


            My wife has worked a polling place several times. One of our friends is the chairman or whatever he is called every election. They aren’t any safer than any other place but they are, in general, as safe. We aren’t afraid of them or we wouldn’t go. We just want to insure we have the ability to fight back if attacked. Actually, I wouldn’t mind bashing a few heads.

  • Thomas Avery Blair

    I think Mr. Obama has pretty much marginalized himself with all his politicking and failures of his leadership (or lack thereof). The only bright spot was the elimination of Bin Ladin (if that was the truth, of course).
    No matter what else, the USA needs a principled statesman and I am finding only one in the bunch running and his initials are R.P. I doubt America will survive another 4 years of a socialist-leaning oligarchy and have to side only with the constitution-supporting no-compromising of principles of Mr. Ron Paul. My feelings would not be hurt if he chose as his running mate Sarah Palin…I think the crap would hit the fan the very day they were sworn in and we would even possibly see some folks in Washington charged for their treason against our nation.
    At least food for thought, is it not?
    Respectfully submitted,
    Thomas Avery Blair, EA


      I would host a party amongst friends if we are able to see this man and his czars/cronies charged with treason.

    • Dan az

      I would claim it as a national holiday.

      • Raggs

        Novel idea… What shall it be called?

        Americas second freedom?
        Americas re-birth maybe….

        • Dan az

          OBgone! :)

  • Thomas Avery Blair

    And yes, I did mean treason. And yes, I also know that treason in the USA is a hanging offense…let the consequence meet the crime.

    • Raggs

      Amen to that and then some….

  • BarleyWheets

    447 million dollars should supply (figuring 50K per worker per year) should supply nearly 9 million jobs ..that ain’t going to happen. obama is going to raise taxes ..oh they will be sort of hidden but we middle class will really feel it..! He is trying to ONLY help himself with OUR money win the next election. Most of the jobs he talked about creating were UNION jobs. OUR govenment officals better see thorugh his crap and NOT allow ONE cent to go to even ONE union job! What a crook! What a liar! Voters pay attention to the truth .. see through his lies!

  • Bob McCormick

    Obama is totally clueless, unfortunatly there are so many idiots in Washington he looks like a genius. I wish someone would explain to me how patching potholes and painting schools will create PERMANENT jobs. Once the money is gone and the tax credits expire the jobs are gone.
    Without manufacturing, all we have to sell to the rest of the world is debt, for the most part, and while we have been able to rely on our major export (DEBT) for many years that is starting to change.
    Any stimulus plan needs to bring back manufacturing if there is any hope of putting people back to work. Furthermore we need assurances that any hand outs, wether in cash or tax incetives will result in permanent jobs

  • Cep

    There’s enough blame For everyone.When you elect Those that promises you the moon,of course you are going to end-up in a mess.The question here is:Whose going to pay for all these Programs.It started with F.D.R.,Over a period of time some of his programs should have been Cut back,or stopped,.And it would have been nice if this country wouldn’t have had to fight so many wars.The Goverment of this country has gott’n to big,TIME to cut it down Some.

  • Bill Wright

    I Agree!!!!!!!

  • simian pete

    Actually I’ll benefit from Mr. Obama’s plan. I’ve been unemployed for more than 6 months … giving them business tax breaks to hire good ol’ simian Pete sure will help.

  • Janice Fortin

    Stimulus after Stiumulus: obama has real difficulty figuring how many STATES IN USA, and he’s just as brilliant with stimulus $$ How many billions per fastfood job? He kept saying America will be ret’d to its former greatness. NOT WITH YOU IT WON’T and everybody knows it!
    ILLLEGALS HAVE NO RIGHTS EXCEPT TO BE DEPORTED. How unfortunate obama did not offer mexico his services as president. In USA, he is responsbile for the darkest chapter in its history.

  • chuckb

    barry needs more payoff for the unions, “teachers” hire more fed workers. he already has the money from some sly procedure tricks by the senate and you can bet the weeper of the house will assist him whatever way he can.

    • Raggs

      It has always been about the unions for the usurper in cheif.

  • Jibbs
  • 45caliber

    You know, if Oblama and wife were to stay home for a year, that would go far toward paying some of these costs.

    • Raggs

      How true… AMERICA needs to forget all about oblama period! end of story!

      It is the only way to get our country back and get it back on the right track.

      • eddie47d

        If you want a United States of America where everyone has an equal opportunity and a chance to be somebody.Then stop trying to shut so many out. If you want those 2% to keep ruling us with benefits only for themselves while our hard work is only meaning diddly squat to them. Then go out and find a new candidate who will respect the greater majority in the workforce.Back in the late 50′s-early 60′s we had such an economy where management taxes were high unions were strong and the Middle class thrived.Now we have management eating up their own profits for themselves, paying less in tax and union busting is once again in vogue and the Middle Class is shrinking. The only story that is ending is America’s because you keep beating up on the wrong people.

        • Raggs

          Oh really???? The little ole 2% that pay 60% of the taxes, what about the 50% that pay nothing at all???… Do you suppose that if the 2% pay their “fair share” the remaining 50% might chip in a buck once in a while instead of freeloading??? HUH??? I’m not one of the 2% but I’m smart enough to know that none of us can work for a poor man and the redistribution of the wealth from the 2% to the poor will do nothing at all to impact or better the 50% of freeloaders.. Socialism does not work ED.. That is why we have hundreds of US companies moving out, granted a big reason is for lower wages to employees but at the same time much lower taxes… What has oblama done to “FIX” this?.. NOTHING.. Instead he throws more money at the unions that are moving away… The system is broke ED… and oblama has not one single clue how to fix it…

          • Dan az

            I think what eddie is afraid of is when Ron Paul wins he will be putting in Flat tax and that he too will be paying again.And when the Unions go kaput his retirement will go with them.Scary times huh eddie?

          • bob wire

            Well , I wish that we had such problems to worry with. I fear Ron Paul will not get the nod.

            I fear a Perry and Obama run off and that Perry could take it.

            He’s got stupid GOP Americans and big business behind him.

          • eddie47d

            I paid plenty in taxes Dan so what is your real point. Are you trying to out arrogant Raggs?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Darn eddie! you charge your daughter THAT much for babysitting?!?!?!?!

        • 45caliber


          For some reason you seem to feel that the majority of workers are union. Sorry, but I doubt if union workers make up even 20% of the overall work force even if you include all teachers and government workers. Most of the workforce (which included management, by the way) are not union, particularly here in the South.

          • bob wire

            Correctomenta ! and so why all the Big Guns against Unions?

          • Raggs

            Hey there union bob… We chould start with the entitlements, but like all liberals you think that from the day that you were hatched you deserve something that only you should get.

          • bob wire

            if you are addressing me Raggs, I’m not a liberal and I’ve never been entitled anything but to pay taxes and the right to a trial. Oh! and VA benefits, such as they are today. Not a big union fan but understand the need for them in the telling of American history. and like 45 says, we are talking of less then 20% of working Americans.

            You attack unions because it now vogue in your little circle. ~ It’s an attack at the funding structure of what is seen as an opponent to some people ideas for America. You are attacking maybe 15 % of America’s well paid middle class thinking is serves some greater good. Maybe it does, but you are attacking my customers and in the end it will hurt me and my family that have nothing to do with unions.

          • eddie47d

            Caliber;Unions were 37% strong back in the period I was talking about and America did great. Too bad you can’t see that.

          • Raggs

            bob.. I attack the unions because it is based on an entitlement program soley on the ones that fund the elections… I would call it PONZI…. Quid-pro-qou… You need to give America back to the people of this country that have an interest greater than the next democrat in the white house.

          • Raggs

            Ed.. the unions became corrupt much like the government.
            Power and free money and if there is not enough money just print it and if there is not enough power than take it by whatever means.
            Well maybe someday you will see a flicker of light.

          • bob wire

            “I attack the unions because it is based on an entitlement program soley on the ones that fund the elections… I would call it PONZI…”

            Well Raggs, ~ Hmmm??? exactly how does that work? What entitlements? who get them? All union members? just a few or only union members?

            and what makes it so different when the US Chamber of Commerce helps fund elections? or when Karl Roves group (forget it’s name ) funds elections. Are they not looking for some kind of “returns on their investments?” Something that could be perceived as Entitlements?

            I agree that political funding in this country is a mess and out of control but why shackle labor and the DNC and not the GOP and their benefactors big business? Why attempt to destroy worthy opposition, leaving Americans with no options, no choices? Hell Bells I think even a communist state offers their people options ( and deals they can’t refuse)

            The working Americans and labor didn’t cause Wall Street to stumble and fall on their assets. Working Americans didn’t pop the housing bubble. Working Americans didn’t tell GM to over extend itself and make cars that parts started falling off of as soon as you got them home.

            I will admit to the fact that enough working men and women in America gave Bush two terms. ~~ BARELY both times! And for that they suffer today and for those of us that didn’t and seen Bush a fool folly suffer right along with them.

            Those 8 years are a serious hickey, the effects of will not go away no time soon. As it put things into play that are very much still in play today and sucking US dollars out of our system and the blood of American GI’s. A wasted few trillion dollars and when I say wasted, I mean throw out the window of a fast moving plane over a forest fire is hard to not miss and we do miss this money today.

            It seems that “conservatives” are asking all Americans to go through their sofa cushion to make up the difference. Chasing down Grandmaw and telling her that we can’t help her with her medication anymore. ~ That cat food don’t really taste so bad! Teeth and glasses is on their dime. and it is! and maybe should be. I’ve heard of a women using a dead friends dentures so she could eat. You ever seen an old man gum a steak? It’s a sight to behold. They can do it!

            The money “were there” it was just poorly spent just like if you poorly spend your money, you come up short . More month left at the end of the money.

          • 45caliber


            The unions were needed and did great about 1930 or so. By 1960 they were no longer needed and in my lifetime I’ve seen nothing they have done that benefited more than themselves. By 1960 they had also been taken over by the Mafia and/or Syndicate. The original Jimmy Hoffa wasn’t a choir boy – that’s why he “disappeared”. I am willing to give the early unions the credit they deserve; I just don’t believe we should idolize the present day unions based on what their grandfathers did … particularly when the present day unions are so greedy. They are worse than the capitalists you complain about.

          • Dan az

            So Bobby
            You say you didn’t vote for bush 2 that means you think Al Gore is right and the sky is falling.He must of been who you voted for and that’s something to be proud of?I voted Ron Paul every time and will continue even when he isn’t running.I don’t vote for the lessor of two evils.And that comment that you made about perry/obumer scares the hell out of me.I think I would be looking to move out of the country not sure where but not here!

        • Jibbs

          I’m still waiting for you to show me the words that you put in my mouth, but you are nothing more than a liar, liar. liar….please just go away.

  • JoMama

    Hell in a hand basket – that’s all I’m saying.

  • Raggs

    Ed thinks that I am an extremist… Well if I love my country than I am an extremist.
    If I hate oblamas plan of socialism than I am an extremist.
    Does this make me a bad person?… I don’t think so, but…

    Ed i hope that some day you will be able to come around and see the truth and when you do you will be able to guide others.

    • bob wire

      No! You just talk like one often Raggs. ~ LOVE this and Love That and Hate this and Hate that has got a lot to do with how you are perceived.

      You display no core body but only extremities. Why this constant overstating your position if you are not an extremest?

      You speak loosely and evoke words of “passion”

      Passion is mindless.

      So ~ now you know.

      • Raggs

        AH… So here we go with you picking a fight, why don’t you call me a racist?…. If you are getting this off of your chest go all out and dont be shy about it.

        Face the truth.. you dont like me because I hate oblama and everyrthing that he stands for and to you that makes this a personal matter.

        • bob wire

          oh no! you got it wrong Raggs, I like you a lot! as do I Jeff, Dave, Dan, Katie, Jana, Karolyn and many others. I’m still working with Bob and Time, they are a harder nut to crack. Both of these men are only transmitters and unable to receive. I have never really had must to do with Eddie, I’ve never wanted you to think for one minute that you were being tagged teamed by the Dynamic Duo. So there is no high 5 or end zone dance. Eddie is very active and enjoys sparing for the sake of sparing more then I. No shrinking violent to a good fight, we are both impervious to name calling and labeling but I guess that you know that by now.

          If I didn’t like you Raggs or didn’t see or hear something in you I liked, I’d just ignore you.

          I like your passion ! to say, I love my country ! is inspiring to hear. But there is all kinds of love Raggs, some is the choking kind and some comes with conditions.

          As far as you being a racist, I think that we all are at some level but the job before each one of us is to control how we react to the world that’s all around us and this overwhelming feeling that seem to demanding a reaction before thinking things through.

          There came a time that I was an active player in race wars in the Army. I did not ask for it, it was thrust upon me and I did what I had to do. But Raggs, I’m not going to let a few months of bad history to define my life and be held captive by it. I live to overcome such experiences.

          Measured reaction works best and leaves options open and “feeling” intact, you’ve not painted yourself into a corner to where you have few places to move to save your position leaving some room for compromise and continued negotiation.

          • Raggs

            Good… Prehaps you are ready to break out of that shell?
            The one thing that you learn from people is that everyone has a shell.
            Inside of that shell all people are basic… And it is that “basic” part of man that makes him venerable… The harder the shell the more proof required likewise the softer the shell the less proof.

            The hard shells are usually the ones that teach the soft shells.

            America has to be taught how to stand and to take a stand…

  • Raggs

    Does anyone care to wager that the far left is in the hopes of a violent act that they can place blame on the conservatives prior to 12 in order to lie and gain a election.. how about a bogus terror threat, a global disaster, a mock economic crisis ( crash in NYSE ) Since oblama has no campain other than the exact opposite of prosperity he will have to reach deeper into his bag of tricks…

    • eddie47d

      The Right already pulled that stunt by creating a crises in 2001 and the Patriot Act. Then they did it again in 2007. Your so full of hookum Raggs.

      • Raggs

        You haven’t heard me say that the non-patriot act was a good idea.
        You have not heard me tell you that I agree with any party.

        If I’m correct than what are you talking about ed?

        • JeffH

          Raggs, only he knows…naw, even he doesn’t know! :)

          • eddie47d

            Speak of hokum and Jeff pops up!!

  • Raggs

    Come-on union bob I’m NOT done with you yet… Give me some more crap to chew on.

  • FreedomFighter

    Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. —John F. Kennedy

    How many wars we fighting and how corrupt is our current administration and president?

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      Wall Street and capitalism have brought on Corruption for the last 30 years.

  • Raggs

    Billions to trillions to gazillions.
    oblama is paying off his basline of unions for one purpose only.
    It is the only thing that he cares about.

    His idea of paying for something later ( well after he is gone ) to fund his marxist agenda? Oh he can raise taxes on the people in this country that pay taxes ( less than 50% of the population ) Regulate small business with 4 thousand pages that no one has ever read.. oblama is much worse than bin laden in the destruction of this country and he loves it.

  • chuckb

    kind of changes the topic, however, received this email today.
    over time the bolsheviks have ridiculed bush for hesitation while speaking and making a slight mistake. the bolsheviks admire barry as a great orator, well, it’s just his voice that gives them this impression, like all good comrades they only hear what they think they hear.
    barry, gets mixed up and confused very easily:

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Financial Regulation Kills Jobs? Perhaps Not
    by Marian Wang
    ProPublica, Sep. 12, 2011, 1:20 p.m.7 CommentsRepublishE-mailPrint

    With the presidential campaign in motion, and President Obama urging immediate passage of his new jobs bill, the attention in Washington has shifted almost exclusively to the economy and job creation.

    And that means a shift away from regulation, right? Not necessarily.

    Some regulators and financial industry experts are predicting the opposite—that new financial regulations will spur some growth.

    The New York Times’ DealBook blog cited derivatives regulation as one example. Dodd-Frank requires a substantial chunk of the $600-trillion derivatives market to trade on exchanges or on new electronic trading platforms. “I have no doubt that these new regulations, instituting new types of clearing, trading and reporting platforms, will foster a landslide of hiring in the financial sector,” Bart Chilton of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission said in a recent speech cited by the Times. As another New York Times piece noted, previous financial regulation laws have resulted in additional jobs for accountants and lawyers, at least.

    But separate from the jobs created to actually handle new regulation, others have pointed out that regulations can have a long-term, positive effect on overall economic growth by preventing the types of crises that put an industry on life-support.

    Last year, two studies by central bankers and regulators found that the short-term impacts of stricter capital requirements were “significantly smaller” than the estimates published by banking groups, the Times reported. Rather, the studies said that stricter regulation would lead to more long-term growth by preventing future crises.

    Banks see higher capital requirements

    —which require them to have more financial cushion to balance out risk-taking

    —as a damper on profits. They have repeatedly warned that tougher rules will hamper lending, reduce investment and slow economic growth.

    But not everyone sees it that way. Swiss regulators, for instance, indicated last year that they would impose even tougher capital standards on their country’s banks on the premise that investors would rather put their trust—and their dollars—in safer banks.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Lobbying at it’s best

    DNT investigation: Excelsior lobbying cash questioned
    While state and federal agencies fed more than $40 million of public money into Excelsior Energy over the past decade, the company and its CEOs spent nearly $1.8 million on lobbying and campaign contributions, according to public records examined by the News Tribune.
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    Excelsior Energy campaign contributions and lobbying expenditures

    Excelsior Energy campaign contributions and lobbying expenditures
    Talk about it
    While state and federal agencies fed more than $40 million of public money into Excelsior Energy over the past decade, the company and its CEOs spent nearly $1.8 million on lobbying and campaign contributions, according to public records examined by the News Tribune.

    How much, if any, of the government money ended up being used for political purposes can’t be determined easily, because of a 2008 state law shielding Excelsior’s spending records from public view. But records that are available show private investors contributed only $60,000 to Excelsior, indicating the company may have improperly used government money to influence government entities and officeholders.

    That’s the view expressed by state Rep. Tom Anzelc, DFL-Balsam Township, one of the project’s leading critics.

    “These developers have been really successful in capturing public money and getting language and statutory changes giving their company preferential and special treatment,” Anzelc said. “I believe that their highly effective lobbying efforts are directly attributable to the public resources they’ve had at their disposal. I think they used public dollars to lobby public law-making bodies.”

    Tom Micheletti, Excelsior’s co-CEO with his wife, Julie Jorgensen, disputes Anzelc’s claim.

    “Contrary to repeated false claims of project opponents, absolutely no state funds have been used to lobby the Legislature,” Micheletti told the News Tribune. “In addition, every expenditure has been approved by administrators of the programs and is in compliance with the rules of the programs and all applicable laws and regulations.”

    Because of the 2008 law, it’s difficult for anyone beyond the company’s principals or its governmental benefactors to verify Micheletti’s contention. Excelsior has repeatedly denied requests by the News Tribune to provide access to its records.

    Anzelc says he will propose legislation making Excelsior’s expenses public once again, and is also seeking to increase the yearly amount the company must repay on some of its loans.

    Follow the money

    Despite nearly a decade of work, Excelsior’s plans for a $2.1 billion clean-energy power plant using gasified coal have languished on the drawing board. The start-up company has yet to generate a single watt of energy and, without any identified customers for its would-be plant, no outside investors have embraced the project.

    Lobbying and political campaign records examined by the News Tribune detail the following political and governmental spending by Excelsior, Micheletti and Jorgensen:

    From 2005 to 2010, Excelsior spent $1.46 million on lobbying the state Legislature and regulatory agencies, according to reports it filed with the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board. The company has hired 24 state lobbyists, and currently has eight lobbyists registered with the state, including Micheletti and Jorgensen. Micheletti alone has reported incurring about $162,000 in lobbying expenses since 2005.
    In 2006 and 2007, the company spent another $200,000 to lobby Congress, according to the Senate Office of Public Records.
    Between 1998 and 2010, Excelsior and its principal partners made $98,775 in state and federal political campaign contributions, according to the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board and the Federal Election Commission.
    State Sen. Tom Bakk, DFL-Cook, received $4,500 in campaign contributions from Excelsior, more than any other state legislator, with much of those contributions given in 2009-10 for his unsuccessful run as governor. Bakk was a member of the legislative committee that in 2008 inserted language into an omnibus tax bill that restricted public access to Excelsior’s financial records. Other DFL Iron Range legislators who have supported Excelsior and received contributions from the company include Rep. Tom Rukavina, Sen. David Tomassoni and Sen. Tom Saxhaug.
    Former U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman received $22,000, more than any other politician. In 2003, the News Tribune reported that Coleman was the key senator in inserting language into an energy bill that provided Excelsior with $800 million in loan guarantees. Other federal lawmakers who have received money from Excelsior include former Rep. James Oberstar, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, President Obama and former President George W. Bush.
    The actual total of Excelsior’s contributions and lobbying costs is probably higher, as the company has yet to report what it spent to successfully lobby the Minnesota Legislature this year for changes that would allow it to build a natural gas-fired plant, instead of one running on gasified coal.
    Micheletti said Excelsior’s lobbying and political donations should be kept in perspective.

    “We have been up against very large monopoly utilities who have a goal of keeping out competition and innovation. We are a tiny company by comparison,” he said.

    Micheletti called Excelsior’s lobbying expenditures “small, compared to funds expended by the large utilities at the state and federal level for representation.” He did not note, however, that large utilities such as Allete are profitable companies not dependent on public money.

    Past citation

    Excelsior has been cited in the past for using public money for lobbying.

    A 2008 review by the Minnesota Office of the Legislative Auditor flagged the company for using some of $9.5 million in loans it was to receive from the Iron Range Resources and Rehabilitation Board for lobbying activities, even though the agency expressly prohibited using the money for lobbying.

    As a result of those findings and evidence of other unsupported or poorly documented costs, Excelsior was asked to repay $40,161 in prior IRRRB disbursements. The company complied.

    The auditor’s report also faulted the IRRRB for failing to clearly define what types of lobbying or associated expenditures it considered inappropriate.

    In a response to the audit, Sandy Layman, then commissioner of the IRRRB, said her agency did not intend to forbid the use of loan money for all activities the state considered lobbying. She said the agency did not define inappropriate activities as narrowly as the state, which considers even attempts to sway regulatory agencies as lobbying.

    For the purpose of its loan agreement with Excelsior, Layman said agency money was not to be used to “attempt to influence state legislation or pursue other state funding.”

    “The loan agreements clearly state that work on site and route proceedings with the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission and permitting activities (which are required to build a power plant) as well as all federal activities, were eligible expenses,” she wrote.

    Political contributions

    Micheletti said he makes no apologies for campaign contributions he and Jorgensen have made to politicians on both sides of the aisle in St. Paul and Washington. Records show the contributions were doled out almost equally to Republican and Democratic candidates and party committees.

    “The contributions by our principals and employees, as private citizens over the past decades, are completely dwarfed by the figures you would compile for officers and employees and PACs of the utilities in the state,” he said. “The insinuation that somehow this level of campaign donation could somehow influence policy makers is simply not defensible.”

    As for the source of campaign contributions, Micheletti said: “Absolutely no public funds or any funds of Excelsior Energy Inc. have been used to make campaign contributions. Officers of Excelsior Energy have made contributions from their own funds.”

    Iron Range Rep. Rukavina, who serves as chairman of the IRRRB’s board of directors, received $1,000 in campaign donations from Excelsior’s leadership. But he said the contributions did not influence his political actions in support of the company’s project.

    Rather, Rukavina said he was motivated by the desire to generate jobs in the face of LTV Steel Mining Co.’s shutdown of operations in northern Minnesota, putting about 1,400 people out of work.

    No legislative district was hit harder by the closure than Rukavina’s. And when Excelsior stepped forward with a promise to create jobs, Rukavina signed on.

    “I was desperate,” he said, noting that about 55 percent of the people who lost jobs because of LTV’s closure resided in his district.

    “Did I know it was a gamble? You bet,” Rukavina said.

    But he noted that the IRRRB was formed to promote economic development, and risk is inherent in that mission.

    “This is not the first time we screwed up, or probably the last,” he said.

    Anzelc, also an IRRRB board member, said he received contributions from Excelsior officials on at least a couple of occasions but returned them, as he did not support the company’s project. He expressed discomfort with all the money Excelsior and its officers have spent on lobbying and political campaigns in pursuit of increased influence.

    “Money corrupts the political process, and this may be an example of that,” he said.

    Bid for transparency

    As of Sept. 30, 2010, Excelsior had only $1.9 million left of the $40 million in public funding it has received, records show. Some of that money has gone to pay hefty salaries to Micheletti and Jorgensen, whose combined annual pay was $600,000 in 2006, the last time that information was publicly disclosed.

    Anzelc said he wants to know where the $40 million has gone, and he recently asked Rukavina to convene a special meeting of the IRRRB to make Excelsior’s finances more transparent.

    “At a minimum, I think the board needs to go on record supporting legislation to repeal the private data provisions put into the 2008 omnibus tax bill,” Anzelc said.

    Rukavina denied Anzelc’s request for a special meeting, saying the matter could wait until the board’s next regularly scheduled meeting Oct. 20. He pointed out that what Anzelc proposed would require legislative action, and the next session isn’t slated to begin until Jan. 24.

    But Rukavina said his decision not to call a special meeting shouldn’t be interpreted as a lack of support for Anzelc’s proposal. “I’m not against the idea,” he said. “I think things should be done in the open. And I never knew what happened in that tax bill until after the fact.”

    Investigations Editor Brandon Stahl contributed to this report.

  • chuckb

    that’s what we need retired nam, more hi tech jobs especially in the futures market. this is mumble jumble sounds like bolshevik propaganda. this country needs jobs that produce something that sells, machinery, ships, electronics and so on. we need income. we need business that will be there tomorrow. people need lasting jobs. barry hasn’t a clue how to initiate a sound economy by lowering the tax rate and get rid of the epa regulations that strangle our production companies. he does know how to borrow and spend though, his saturday night will soon be over, reality will set in november 7, 2012

    • Raggs

      A frantic move on his part to beg congress for 1/2 a trillion?

      You betcha it is…. he has lost the battle and the war and now he is licking his wounds with $100 dollar bills.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Nah just using them for bandages from all the political wounds!!

  • John Galt

    Congress needs to cut this Presidents credit cards up. What is needed is a jobs bill that allows the private sector to once again employ workers on a permanent, not temporary basis.
    A real solution would be to hold the Presidential elections this year, NOT next year.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    The President likes to blame Congress and especially the Republicans but the truth is, he has had three job bills sitting on his desk for over two years now and not signed them. Why? Because those bills include non union workers as well.

    Read and listen carefully to his words because he is the problem and not the solution. The jobs he is talking about are given veteran preference in hiring and talking about jobs in the VA system which is presently frozen and in fact losing employees through a reduction in force. The other jobs are about union jobs which Trumpka is so rabidly talking about. Just another case of not exactly telling the truth about what these jobs go to or in fact not available to non union or veterans.

    As I said before, the Republicans should just vote present and then the Democrats will know they own this garbage piece of legislation.
    Question is, will they pass it?


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