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Obama Invites GOP To Join Healthcare Talks

February 11, 2010 by  

Obama invites GOP to join healthcare talksIn a CBS interview with Katie Couric on Sunday, President Obama attempted to breathe life into the stalled healthcare debate by inviting congressional Republicans and Democrats to a summit meeting on Feb. 25.

Obama, who has recently been accused of leading a partisan effort to push healthcare reform through behind closed doors, is being forced to talk compromise after the Democrats lost a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate following a special election victory by Republican Senator Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

"I want to come back and have a large meeting, Republicans and Democrats, to go through systematically all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward," said the president.

While GOP leaders plan on accepting Obama’s invitation, they also demand that the president and other Democrats be willing to completely replace the proposed healthcare bill.

"If we are to reach a bipartisan consensus, the White House can start by shelving the current health spending bill," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, quoted by Fox News.

Meanwhile, a White House aide said on Sunday that the president does not plan to start from scratch regarding healthcare reform and that the Democrats will be "coming in with [their] plan," according to The Wall Street Journal.
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  • Harold Olsen

    This meeting with members of the GOP is nothing but a sham. He wants to be able to say that he is including them but will end up ignoring everything they say. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, is going to tell this Nazi what he can and can not do. He won’t listen to the people in his own party who are turning against him so why should he listen to the Republicans. His entire agenda has nothing to do with helping this country, which he hates. It’s all about power and the more power he gets the quicker and easier he can accomplish his goal of destroying America. The idiots in the media treat him as though he cares about America. O’Reilly calls those of us who criticize Obama loons. That buffoon Beck says that Obama is just being manipulated by his Czars and the people in his regime. It is the American people who are being manipulated and it is the media,ALL OF THEM, who are doing the manipulating. None of them can be trusted!

    • Doc Sarvis

      American voters put President Obama in office because he wanted to change certain things, one of which is the health care system. Our health care system is broken in that it is built to benefit insurers and large pharmacutical companies as opposed to the common person. Pure politics (from both sides) have diverrted the discussions on health care.

      • Time

        Doc,

        Iconography only holds when the people are held in its grips.

        Thank GOD, Barry’s was so thinly vieled that the true face of Barry is being exposed daily. Thus even the ones who voted be they real or made up by ACORN, the latter having been being exposed as to what they really are.

        There is no question that many of his ardent suporters will follow blindly until the end. The numbers will not sustain him for much longer.

        • cr747

          EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS, IT IS OBAMA TELLING ABC NEWS THAT HE IS A MUSLIM::: GO TO:: http://www.youtube.com THEN GO UP TO SEARCH:::

          TYPE IN::: Is Obama a Muslim

          YOU WILL HERE THE SPEECH HE MADE SAYING HE IS A MUSLIM::::::

      • DaveH

        And who built it to benefit Insurance and Phamaceutical Companies?
        Big Government, that is who, through various regulatory schemes. And they will continue to favor Crony Capitalists until Liberals like you take off the Blinders and insist the Government quit meddling in the Healthcare Field (and other Business Fields as well).

        • Doc Sarvis

          And so you are content with health care prices soaring, that only the healthy will get insuance, and our health care system (not the care itself) becomes the laughing stock of first and second world countries? I have more faith in America than that.

          • DaveH

            No Doc, it is the Liberal Big Government Lovers who are going to make us the laughing stock of the world, as our once great economy is brought to its knees by ignorant people.
            The Free Market created the wealth we have (the wealth we are quickly losing), and the Crony Capitalism that is being fostered by Big Government (Both Parties) is going to take it away.
            Study this concept – Economic Freedom. Here is a ranking of countries based on their overall economic freedom. Notice that the US, the once great bastion of free enterprise, is now 8th on the list and that our ranking is declining rapidly. Notice also the kind of economies produced by heavy government regulation. You can click the country links and learn more about their individual rankings:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

          • Doc Sarvis

            So DaveH, you are content with health care prices soaring, that only the healthy will get insuance, and our health care system (becomes the laughing stock of first and second world countries.

          • DaveH

            No, I’m not content. Read the link I provided in a following comment if you want a real solution. I don’t think you do. I suspect you just want the force of Big Government, which caused this mess in the first place.
            Also, if you’re referring to the WHO health care rankings, you need to know the methodology for their rankings. One of their criteria is that the citizens have “equal” access to health care. It doesn’t matter what the quality is, just that it is “equal”.
            This is the same organization that pushed hard for forced vaccinations for H1N1 (which turned out to be milder than many other flu types).
            You should go live in France, the number one, if you think Government-run healthcare is so great. Hang on to your wallet though.

          • Jana

            Doc,
            Dave is right.

            None of us likes the Health Care system/Insurance as it is, but we sure don’t want the pathetic excuse that the government was trying to shove down our throats. We want real solutions, not just government takeover.

          • Joe H.

            Doc Sarvis,
            actually 67% are against what Obummer is trying to do with health care!!!

        • Norm

          DaveH
          “continue to favor Crony Capitalists”
          You mean that many large company capitalists are greedy and cruel and are only concerned with profits? Of course they are, that is their function. They would not be doing their jobs otherwise. This is exactly why we need government intervention WHEN REQUIRED.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            Those Greedy Capitalists pale in comparison to those Greedy Liberals who would forcefully take away the money of others.
            No Company can force us to buy their products without the Force of Big Government to back them up. And that is exactly where you Liberals are taking us. You’re playing right into the hands of the Elite Government Leaders and their favored Companies.

      • JeffH

        Ehhh “what’s up” Doc Sarvis, by asking DaveH “that” question you are avoiding the “real” issues American’s have for THE HEALTH CARE bill and Dave’s point. Big Government’s intrusion into the everyday lives of American’s, out of control spending, government run health care and a corrupt political infrastructure. If American’s want affordable health care, reform, and I repeat, reform would be a good start, not bribes and special deals behind closed doors for special interest groups, of which the majority of taxpaying citizens do not fit.

        • JeffH

          This is how I see it, I’m not speaking for DaveH.

        • Doc Sarvis

          This is the point; how do we live with health care prices soaring and with only the healthy getting insuance (more and more). If other countries can ensure everyone at half the cost that Americans pay then we are really failing ourselves.

          • DaveH

            You have no idea what other countries are paying for their healthcare. Neither do I. It would take an extraordinary effort to plow through the byzantine budgets of Government and to analyze the effects of regulations to the general economy in order to do a proper cost/benefit analysis on the overall costs of Government meddling in the healthcare business.
            But without that effort it seems pretty obvious to me that for every paid bureaucrat that is added to the field, who not only doesn’t produce anything but actively interferes with the production of others, there is going to be a net increase in Healthcare Costs.
            When I was a young adult, Healthcare costs were very reasonable. Then Government got increasingly involved over the last 4 decades and here we are.

          • JeffH

            Doc Sarvis, what is your point? I addressed a few simple problems, yet, as I understand you, you thing that the Health Care proposal is a good thing. I guess I want reform and you don’t?

          • Joe H.

            Doc Sarvis,
            number one Canada is contemplating going back to an insurance type program as it will cut the lines. Two the leader of Canada is coming to the US for heart surgery, if their system is so good why? Three England has a six month wait to see a cancer specialist, Five month wait to see a heart specialist, and they are administering pain meds to geriatric patients that come into the hospital to mask any improvement in their condition and let them die, whether they want to or not!!! If you call that good care then I suggest you go live there and not help screw things up here as 67% say they don’t want a government run program!!!

          • JeffH

            I might add that I saw my family Dr. on the 8th of Feb, asked him if he could get me an appt with a heart specialist. I got a call back yesterday with an appt for March 2nd. and I am on MediCare.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, here is link showing what some European countries are paying. It wasn’t too hard to find, didn’t have to plow through any difficult government agendas. http://xnet.kp.org/kpinternational/2007%20European%20Health%20System%20Comparisons.pdf

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            You have no idea what their systems are costing them. I would have a better idea (no) of what your actual healthcare costs are then anybody would have of a whole country’s up-front costs and hidden costs.

          • DaveH

            We didn’t become the wealthiest nation on earth by imitating the socialist ways of Europe. They would like that of course. Misery loves company.

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            Read this article on Austria (one of your model healthcare countries). Note that government spending is 49% of GDP. Note also that their taxes are 42% of GDP. So that’s a 7% of GDP shortfall that must go onto their National Debt. How long can they keep that up?
            http://www.heritage.org/index/Country/Austria

          • Joe H.

            Doc Sarvis
            Why don’t you answer my points? Is it because you can’t?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Joe H. I usually wait for valid points to respond to. In your case I will tell you that every system has anomalies, and extremists like to point to those few isolated cases to make their points. I fear that is the trap you have fallen into.

          • Joe H.

            doc,
            anomolies??? this goes on every day not just once in awhile!! get real! The public are against this bill!!! WE can not afford it, it will bankrupt this already rocky country!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            We can’t afford to do nothing either. We need to fix the health care system and the free market does not appear to be the solution. And when I say “health care system” I am not saying the care itself is bad, just how we finances of the system.

        • Alan Clark

          Absolutely Jeff, and be it known also that once they get this darling health care plan pushed through, it then opens the door wide for the complete GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER of our once GREAT NATION.
          WAKE UP AMERICA…THERE’S A TRAIN COMING AND WE’RE ON THE TRACKS…

    • Runninbear

      Im glad people are starting to see through the Rehortic and the old bate and switch con that he has made so famous?finally people are getting wise to this con man.

      • Time

        Runningbear,
        How right you are, saddly just as the good people of Germany followed Hitler to the abyss. Barry seems to have that same effect on people.

        Thank God, countless millions are waking up from this spell cast by Barry, even the most blind are now seeing what Barry is really all about.

        • Norm

          Time
          Your a hopeless paranoid case.

          • Time

            Norm,
            If you would put down the crack pipe perhaps the haze around you would clear up. But then again you seem to be not a real American now do you?

            With outlandish statments like “Croney Capitalist.”
            Duh, thats what American is based on, Capitalism, aka free eneterprise, free will, Freedom do, and explore. Just look at the past what great inventions came out of Russia during its 1920 – 1990 periods. Can you say Nada, ZIP, ZERO, Nothing, yea thats right.

          • Meteorlady

            Hey Norm – how much has medicare grown since it’s inception and how many things have been tacked onto it. Is it solvent now? No. Ask the same for Medicaid, VA and SS. Some hospitals and doctors are not accept new Medicare or Medicaid patients because the programs do not even cover their costs. So in your view – these hospitals and doctors should actually loose money to stay in business?

    • Robin from Indiana

      Harold… I agree that it is all for show. Our health care system may need to be tweaked, but I don’t believe it is broken. We’ll see what happens at the next elections. Obama is a one term president. The GOP and other parties need to be finding a candidate that is worthy and that will be accountable to the American people!

      • DaveH

        Robin,
        The Free Market has always been the best solution. The only Tweaking that needs to be done is to get the Government out of the Tweaking Way.

      • Claire

        Good luck.

    • DaveH

      Harold,
      When you can come forward with as much information as has been exposed by Glenn Beck, than I will cut you some slack. But until then, it is you who are the buffoon for personally attacking a Great American Hero.

      • Norm

        DaveH
        Glenn Beck is insane. I thought had more brains than to follow this crackpot.

        • Time

          Norm,
          Bubba if you have something of value then by all means lets hear it. But all you ever do is act like a 5 year old with your outburst of outright senseless yadda.

        • DaveH

          You are the “insane” one Norm. You advocate a political system that has failed throughout the history of the world. You stubbornly cling to ideology that is inherently flawed with the vain conviction that your application would work this time. It won’t.

          • DaveH

            Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
            Albert Einstein

          • eyeswideopen

            DAveH, it has survived for 230 years, who says that it is down? You hate this country that much? Most of us want to fix the country, not change it’s history. I love my country and want it to succeed, unlike the radicals who just want to bring it down.

          • JeffH

            eyes…you are better off just keeping your pie hole closed…the questions you sometimes ask and your assumptions are somewhere out in space. Have you ever taken the time to read your own comments, let alone rush into someone elses and just assume they mean something that your twisted mind thinks?

          • DaveH

            I’m talking about Socialism Eyeswideshut. Do I have to spell everything out for you?

          • coal miner

            DaveH,

            You are quoting a liberal.Albert Einstein was a liberal.

    • Time

      Harold,

      Glen Beck is not a buffoon, he is a FINE American who loves his country and his family. From everything I have read and seen from him he has remained on target, and only works to bring the picture to the American public.

      Perhaps if someone like Mr. Beck had been around in Germany in the 1930′s there never would never have a World War 2 or any of the issues that were involved with that period of TIME. Such as the MASS Murder of countless Jews, Catholic’s, and others.

      I do agree with you that Barry has his “own agenda” and to that agenda he will not yield. That’s not the mark of a Leader, its the mark of a Stalin / Hitler type, and they are in fact one of the same.

      • Tim

        So you really think Beck is something special? Well, I beg to differ. Please take the time to go to the following link.

        http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

        • Time

          Tim,

          Lets see that sight is of what value again?

          Oh all most as much as well what my dogs just left in the yard.
          But thanks for the view as twisted as it is.

        • RobertP

          Since you want to present things said by Beck that only are false or mostly untrue, then you won’t mind using the same tactic from the same website to show how the “Great One” is at least a big a liar to falsly lead people to his side of the fence.
          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

        • Jana

          Tim,
          I went to your site, and then went to the actual newspaper that published it and found that this is a typical leftist newspaper. They brag on the Democrats and put down the Republicans. They actually think Obama has done a good job.
          So much for being able to trust your judgment. As far as I am concerned, you lost your credibility.

          • Claire

            I believe there are “leftist” media/newspapers and “righty” newspapers and media. None of them are neutral.

    • Tim

      You must be on some other planet! Obama is nothing like you described him. I give Obama about a B. Actually, former President Bush is the one who acted like Hitler, with his torture and privacy rights invasions. Obama genuinely care about the needs of the USA. He is doing his best to turn around the mess he inherited from the worst president in history, which was George W. Bush. Do I agree with Obama on everything? Of course not! But, he is trying his best.

      Now to health care: It is an indisputable fact, that our country offers excellent care; however, it is also indisputable that our care is the most expensive on the planet. Per patient, it costs something like $6,700 per year, which is over twice as much as many other countries. It is also indisputable that insurance companies ration our health care and decide on our level of care, not doctors. The type of discrimination by insurance companies is so sadistic. Just when someone needs care for either a loved one or themselves, they get kicked off the plan, or else the specific care they need is denied (many time for pre-existing conditions).

      The republicans are only going to this meeting with Obama, because they don’t want to look like cowards to the American public. They already made fools of themselves a couple of weeks ago, at the meeting in Baltimore. Obama took on all 140 GOP congressmen and kicked their butts. I am very confident they will never agree to another televised meeting like that. They were like dogs with their tails between their legs.

      Republicans’ only objective in health care, is to try to defeat it. If they genuinely cared about anything related to health care reform, they would have done something when they had control of BOTH the Congress and Presidency, between 2001 and 2007. Even between 1995 and 2007, they had control of the House and never proposed any healt care reform bill. Be honest, they don’t give a damn about it. They know full well that all their rich fatcat constituents are loaded and don’t need any help paying for their health care. It’s just the lower and middle income people who need help, and Republicans don’t care about them. They never have; they never will.

      I think Obama should try to adopt some of ideas that Republicans did have, such as tort reform and buying insurance across state lines, but the Republicans need to be open-minded to Democratic ideas, such as having a public option, having life-time limits on out-of-pocket costs, and banning discrimination by insurance companies on pre-existing conditions. The republicans have to give some ground, but up until now, haven’t done so. They have been simply obstructionistic!

      If after this meeting no headway occurs, then Obama and Democrats should leave the Republicans at the sidelines, pass a stronger bill (one with a public option), and do it via “reconciliation” with a simple majority. The filibuster rule really stinks! It should be done away with. In the U.S Senate, many bills come to a screaching halt!

      • Norm

        Tim
        AMEN!!

        • Tim

          Norm, I wish there were more progressives in here, like you and I. This place is crawling with rightwingers, unfortunately. I get a good education about them on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olberman.”
          I have a lot more fun blogging at MSNBC sites.

          • Meteorlady

            Can you not make a point without labeling and name calling. I have a couple of questions for you and your buddy.

            Clinton repealed the ban on drug company advertising – How much does does that add to the price of drugs. Answer: $57 million a year.

            How many illegals are there in this country? Answer: About 24-30 million. ONE hospital in the DFW area stated that they spent over 2.3 million on treating charity patients in their emergency rooms. Most of those were illegals who did not speak English so they also had to provide a translator for them. Add that one up times all the large hospitals in Urban areas within the US.
            Answer: from us when we pay for higher hospital costs that get passed on to the insurance companies.

            Friend has bad knees and bad shoulder. He waits to get health care insurance until he absolutely has to have something done about his knees and shoulder then he plans on canceling after the surgery. Question: How is that fair to the rest of us? Answer: it’s not and it partially explains the re-existing illness clause in a lot of insurance policies.

            We already have universal health care for the poor – it’s called Medicaid. Of the 47 million uninsured, 30% would qualify for that program, but are either too stupid or too lazy to apply so they also use the hospital emergency rooms for the health care. Questions: What do you do about this? Answer: You can’t fix stupid.
            Of the 47 million uninsured, 50% make OVER $50,000 a year but choose not to purchase health care. That is irresponsible, but it’s their right. The rest are illegals.
            Question: do you really believe deep down that this program works?

            I have educated myself at my own expense, with my own initiative and ambition. I had the same opportunities as every other person in this country. My parents were not wealthy and my dad worked two jobs to pay for a hospital bill for my brother. He didn’t declare bankruptcy, he just paid off his obligation. I found a good job, worked my way up and made good money. I paid for my health insurance when I transferred jobs and some jobs gave me really good health care benefits. Point here is, I was responsible and did not expect that my neighbor, the people in my church, the people in my town or the people in my country should have to pay for me.

            My question: Why do you think that it’s your right to take the money I earned through education, responsibility, and good work ethic, and give it to someone else?

            It’s my right as a human to keep what I worked for. If I want to give to charity I have a RIGHT to give the money I earned to whatever charity I deem deserves it. I will work tirelessly to give a person a leg up if they are showing that they will eventually help themselves, but I cannot condone third and fourth generation welfare people. There is no excuse for that and it’s an act of enabling by our government. You cannot legislate people out of poverty, you can only educate them and make them work for themselves. All government health programs have fraud and waste. That’s the nature of big government – they pass laws and provide programs that they know they cannot fund adequately to keep then working well. If I had all the taxes I paid into SS and Medicare I would be retired and wealthy with great health insurance.

          • Meteorlady

            One more thing – MSNBC is so biased as to be out there on the fringe. How do I know that? I at least give them a shot every one in awhile. You need to get around and watch other channels and read – especially read. You are not a Progressive – That’s just a label to change our perceptions. You are a socialist. You can relabel yourself anyway you want, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck – it’s a duck. You really might want to go back to MSN where you don’t have to argue your points and everyone is the same.

          • John

            Tim,
            Then go back to being brainwashed and dumbed down.
            that’s the problem with this country is ignorant fools like you lefties.

          • Joe H.

            tim
            Keith overbite?? Really? Keith overbite??? He’s nothing but the north end of a south bound horse!!!! If they didn’t show him which end of the pen to use he couldn’t sign his pay check!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Metorlady, You previously made that same statement abou the 57 million due to repealing ban on advertising. In previous posts, I corrected your statement. I provided you with links showing where you got mixed up, can you provide a link showing when Clinton repealed this ban????????????

      • JeffH

        Tim, can you explain the “refom” that the current proposed Health Care Bill brings to the table? Are any “special groups” excluded from this proposal? Is it necessary to have government control every American’s health care from birth to the grave. Has government,current and past, been honest, upfront and transparent?
        Should government exclude themselves from a plan that would be forced on every American citizen if it is that good?

        I would be interested in your answers, of course, without any excuses of present or past administrations.

        • Meteorlady

          Jeff – he never answers – he can’t figure out how to answer these types of questions because he firmly believes that the federal government is the answer to all his ills.

          • JeffH

            That is why I askd the question. Hopefully Tim will move on.

        • eyeswideopen

          JeffH, I agree let’s kill Medicare. Refund monies, it isn’t that much, only abou 1.3% of your salary thru out the years. Give all the money back and let people take care of themselves.

          • JeffH

            Why not fix the system rather than remove MediCare and let the government lawmakers continue to accept fraud and special interest money. It fixes nothing.
            Medicare fraud costs the nation: 2003 numbers
            • $31,780 Million per day
            • $1,324 Million per hour
            • $22,070 per minute

          • Jana

            Jeff, that makes too much sense.

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            Don’t forget the interest I would have earned over the years if I had the money to invest!!!

      • David Long

        Amen brother. It can’t be said any better. The republicans are not in good faith on health care or on anything else. The priority should be conscience, country, and party. Unfortunately for the republicans, it’s power, party, power. Why power? If they get it back, they believe, it will vindicate their incompetence during the W years.The damage from these “conservative leaders” is real and is going to take years to fix. They remind me of a bunch of guys and gals who set the house on fire and then, for self-serving political reasons, stands on a soapbox on the sideline complaining about how much money the fire department is spending on water. Sarah Palin? Glenn Beck? Limbaugh? Hannity? Fox? I want Goldwater back. He’d send all these blowhards packing, and then we could begin to tackle our very real and serious problems TOGETHER!

      • David Long

        Amen brother. It can’t be said any better. The republicans are not in good faith on health care or on anything else. The priority should be conscience, country, and party. Unfortunately for the republicans, it’s power, party, power. Why power? If they get it back, they believe, it will vindicate their incompetence during the W years.The damage from these “conservative leaders” is real and is going to take years to fix. They remind me of a bunch of guys and gals who set the house on fire and then, for self-serving political reasons, stands on a soapbox on the sideline complaining about how much money the fire department is spending on water. Sarah Palin? Glenn Beck? Limbaugh? Hannity? Fox? I want Goldwater back. He’d send all these blowhards packing, and then we could begin to tackle our very real and serious problems TOGETHER!

      • momof4

        Tim,
        Your kidding right?

    • Maria Koob

      Harold boy do you got it wrong i guess you where not in Germany in 32 Hitler came in to power because of the hate you guys spread you where the helpers you and the church and the Newsmedia I was.You cane take those birthtas Teabagers Palin fanatics and shove them up you knowe where,i hope you stupid enough to vote vor her.

      • Joe H.

        Maria,
        I feel for you for having gone through that if you did, but it wasn’t the church that started the war and it wasn’t the Jews that started it either!!! It was HITLER!!!!!!

  • Robert

    This smells like a set up, Chicago style.

    • Time

      Robert,

      Thats a good one, want buy a Senate seat? I got one real cheep, how about you just send me five million to my numbered Swiss Bank account. If not I will send the BOYS by later to break your Knees.

      LOL…

      • jim

        Hi Time, The sad part is our pathetic ex-gov. wasn’t even trying for anything even near $5mil. for that seat. Then look who we got stuck with anyway.

  • DaveH

    Personally, I have experienced only problems with healthcare such as shortage of Doctors and High Prices. And these problems are caused by Government Meddling in the Healthcare field. Throwing more Government Meddlers into the mix is only going to make things worse. The only real solution to the Healthcare Problems:
    http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

    • Meteorlady

      You are so right. Two days ago I had to have a prescription filled. My small pharmacy just a few blocks from my house, didn’t have the generic version. They said they had a branded version but my insurance would not cover it since it was $115.00. WOW – it was just an antibiotic. So I asked why they ran out and they said the government controls and inventory. Not sure what that meant as I wasn’t able to hang around and quiz them. Bottom line here is that I had to drive 27 miles one way to get it at a Walgreens. That cost me two hours and Walgreens was swamped when I got there and I had to wait around for the prescription to be filled. I did not enjoy this as I was very sick and needed to be in bed not running about the country looking for my medicine. Government control? Boy howdy, I sure wish I had more of that (that’s sarcastic before you jump on me).

      • DaveH

        Lady,
        I would never jump on you. I’ve seen enough of your posts to know that you are a thinking lady. I appreciate that.
        What I can’t believe is that this country, that we have been brainwashed to believe is so free, won’t allow us to purchase antibiotics which we know will work without first paying a doctor to listen to our chests, depress our tongues, and other useless stuff. Even the very unfree country of Mexico doesn’t stand in the way of their citizens’ choices of antibiotics.

        • DaveH

          And now, John McCain and other Big Government busybodies are trying to get their dirty hands on our supplement choices.

          • Meteorlady

            That would be because the drug companies don’t want you to know that some supplements work better and are safer than the drugs they dispense. Ya gotta love those drug companies and their hired lackeys. Some friends of mine take Red Rice Yeast (do I have that backward). Seems it gives them the same side affects and Lipitor but is safer to use as it does not cause liver damage over the long term. My husband uses it and it has lowered his cholesterol 20% so he does not have to go for the expensive drug.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          What about the people that don’t finish their meds or the ones that would take antibiotics for a virus? We already have bacteria that antibiotics won’t touch and resistant germs. Heard of the flesh eating bacteria? I damn near died from a staph infection!!!

          • DaveH

            Joe,
            I know you are just repeating common misinformation, but what the medical establishment says about overuse of antibiotics is a crock. Bacteria mutate often. Most mutations are not survivable, but some are. They will mutate regardless of whether you take antibiotics or you don’t. New drug resistant bacteria will evolve with or without over use of antibiotics. It’s interesting that there hasn’t been a rash of newly evolved drug resistant bacteria in Mexico, isn’t it?
            Most people are just gullible. The powers-that-be like it that way. They make a lot of money requiring a doctor’s visit for every routine prescription. Have you ever known a doctor who thoroughly vetted you before prescribing a standard antibiotic? Why do we need a doctor to tell us our best antibiotic choice when there is so much information on the net?
            I don’t know about you, but most of the doctors I have been to are downright unimpressive. They do make quite an impression on my wallet though.
            I think that is the reason they are after supplements through willing Government bully-boys like John McCain. Effective supplements threaten their power over the citizens.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            then why all the outbreaks lately? There have been more in the last 10 years than before. with all the antibiotics used in cattle and poultry, there are more risistant strains out than ever before. you believe what you want but I don’t feel like betting my or my families lives on your feelings. As for Mexico, those people live completely diferent than we do. Their hygiene is much lower than ours and their resistance to infection is higher than ours. Look at us in the last say 20 years, we used to not be so paranoid about our kids putting their dirty hands in their mouth and you often heard the phrase” if that’s the worst thing they do”! now people are using antibacterial spray before they use a shopping cart. I do use a tissue to wipe any obvious crap off, but I don’t use that crap on it! I just use common sense and wash my hands often and I haven’t had the flu in ten years!!!

          • DaveH

            Joe,
            I wouldn’t even dream of dictating your choices. That is why I am Libertarian. We allow people to make their own choices with their lives and property.

          • DaveH

            I would like to add, that the very best thing we can do to prevent disease is to eat right so our bodies are well-equipped to fight the bad bugs.

          • DaveH

            By the way Joe,
            I have a BS in Biology, so I am well aware of the mechanisms by which Bacteria acquire resistance to antibiotics. I just disagree with the degree of importance placed on the overuse of antibiotics. Bacteria are going to acquire resistance to antibiotics regardless of whether you are using antibiotics or not. Ask any Microbiologist. The theory is that you kill off the good bacteria allowing the resistant bacteria to thrive and prosper. But those resistant bacteria naturally occur with or without antibiotics.
            And remember, I was simply saying the Government has no business dictating whether people should use antibiotics or not. You are the one who went off on the tangent. I don’t mess with your freedom, don’t mess with mine.

      • tryagaintt

        and you bought that rather than think that they knew a googly number of people would buy that expensive drug then drive wu miles for the cheap genneric

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    He’s only after progressives like the Bush family (doing business in China since the Mao era began), McCain’s family and on and on, because he(obama) can’t get anymore Democrats to switch to MARXISM!

  • Tim

    Too little too late Barry. Since the Dem congress couldn’t do it like you planned, don’t try to suck in those that were left out in the first place. Health care does need fixed, but not totally rebuilt. If the car needs a tune-up, don’t tell the mechanic to tear it down and rebuild it. Yea, Beck is dramatic, but he tells it like it is, and many don’t like to admit the results of their misled votes from the last election.

    • Tim

      Beck doesn’t tell it like it is. He is so full of baloney! I have proof. Go to the following web site:

      http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

      • RobertP

        Tim,
        Everytime you want to post a politifact link about Beck, which has 5 examples of false statements by him, why don’t you also post the 40 outright lies given by Obummer. Since you won’t then I will. Here it is, and I know there are many more than this.
        http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

        Now one of Beck’s statements was “In the health care bill, we’re now offering insurance for dogs.” This is classic Beck, and only an idiot would believe this, and which is obviously part of the “entertainment” that Beck presents. Only a liberal would hear this and actually believe that he was serious in this statement.

        • Joe H.

          RobertP,
          I saw that episode and it was just as you describe….a piece of hilarity!!! Like I said earlier, I guess if the presidents press secretary doesn’t make the joke then it’s not funny!!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          RobertP,

          You’re right about Beck and his sarcastic sense of humor. According to Tim, I’m one of those “right wingers” he said this site is crawling with. If I thought what Beck said about pets getting health care insurance was real….well…I might line up to get it for my dogs….just spent $2,000 on dental surgeries for both….and I sure could have used some help with that. Wonder where Doc S is when you need him to help out? I think he offered to help pay for some of us as friends, didn’t he? LoL…funnny.

          Fed Up Gal

      • George

        Tim,

        I looked at this website, but unfortunately it didn’t really convince me that Beck is a nut case. It seemed to me that they had to nitpick his words to find fault with what he said. I’ve watched Beck several times, and frankly I am amazed at the information and data he shares with his audience. If/when Beck misspeaks, I think his central points are generally valid. I recommend you watch his show a couple of times and try to keep an open mind. While he is critical of Obama, he is also critical of the Republicans. (By the way, I’ve never heard him make personal attacks against anyone. He does take issue with some of their policies, however.) Beck’s primary concern is that the progressive movement is slowly taking this country down a socialist path that will leave us less well off in the end. Of course, if you’re a socialist, you’ll take issue with that premise, but if not, you may find value in what he says.

        • Jana

          George,
          I also went to that site and found it was a typical leftist newspaper. They put down the Republicans and lift up the Dems. so what do you expect? They lean heavily to the left. They actually think Obama has done a good job (boooo).

          There are some on this group whose judgment is just not credible.

        • American Citizen

          When Glenn has a point to make, he brings in people “in the know’ such as economists, etc. He is more interested in right and wrong than the political side.

  • EDIE

    It is a trick, a trap, but I feel the GOP is on top of it. They are not going to sit there to be scolded and demeaned again. If it cannot be curbed, I do hope they all rise and walk out, leaving his rubber lips quivering from his rubber face as he stands there, all giving him one more chance to let the peoples voices sink in.

    We already have the best health care system in the world. It is strong, it is familiar. Simply fix the failings within the existing system. The foundation/base is already there and the familiarity. Then move on to eliminated TOTALLY the fraud. There you go, quick, inexpensive and properly covering all Americans. Perhaps that is what irks BO, it will cover all AMERICANS. His Muslims and other illegals are out of luck here and need to go back home. Additionally, our existing system will continue to cover his decades of career subsidy receivers.

    I have never in my life witnessed such a VAST ignoring of the people, ever. Beginning with our representatives all the way through the President. For our reps believe it is for power and corruption, for BO, I know his sympathies ride with the Muslims and all illegals causing him to be weak in feelings for the USA, but also, I honestly think he is inept/ignorant and stupid. He was depending on his boys. If that is not sad enough, they have no experience or intelligence either. They all only know how to operate as thugs, socialists, and Marxists. COME GOP–STAND STRAIGHT FOR US–NO ONE ELSE IS.

    • Tim

      You are correct that we have very good health care in the United States, BUT the following problems still exist:

      1) It is too expensive: About $6,700 per patient per year, which is over twice as expensive as many other countries that offer universal coverage.

      2) Thereis too much discrimination by the insurance companies – for woman being pregnant and for pre-existing conditions.

      3) Not enough emphasis is placed on prevention. We have all heard the adage that one dollar of prevention can save three dollars in treatment. It is a lot cheaper to have a check-up by your doctor on a yearly basis, than to end up in the emergency room for something very serious. Everyone should be able to get periodic colonoscopies, breast exams, and similar tests without losing their life’s savings. All of these should be covered by all insuance plans, but they aren’t currently.

      4) Tort reform is needed.

      5) Purchasing insurance across state lines is a good idea too.

      6) More emphasis should be given to wellness, because we have a “sick care system” in place, not a health care system.

      7) Universal coverage should be the top priority.

      8) There should be a public option, to foster competition, which would bring down the cost of health care for EVERYONE!

      9)The cost should be paid for by the following things:

      a) Having a tax surcharge on the top 2% of income-earners.
      b) Cutting waste and fraud in the current health care system (includes cracking down on excessive administrative costs, redundant tests and medicines by doctors, and Medicare overpayments)

      I just want to mention, that I learned many years ago, that Canada pays for their single-payer system by charging a gas tax at the gas pump. That might not be a bad idea in our country. Even though I am retired and on a fixed income, I wouldn’t mind paying more taxes to provide health insurance to my fellow Americans who don’t have it.

      Lastly,

      4)

      • Meteorlady

        Retired on fixed income – that would explain the push for Universal Healthcare. I am also retired, but managed to save my money when I worked and am able to pay for my own healthcare which isn’t that great, but it works for me right now. Medicare, Medicaid and SS are all insolvent due to government add ons and looting. The VA is eating up more and more of our dollars. Our government has had some 30 years to get rid of waste and fraud and haven’t done it yet. Our population is getting fatter and fatter and more out of shape. They smoke, drink, each unhealthy and so our health care costs would naturally go up. Also, the drug companies are the biggest lobbying group in DC and have given more than 10 million to Obama to campaign for health care. AARP who sells health insurance rips seniors off by offering cheap introductory rates and then upping the cost the next year and the year after. They tell us they are the side of seniors but their magazine is mostly health insurance ads and drug company ads. A lot of families of congressman (mostly Dems) have invested money in the health care industry so the plan on making a lot of money off this if it passes.

        • JeffH

          Meteorlady, I am retired on my SS Disability, which I was able to get earier than my retirement target. I am on that fixed income also. I, recived my AETNA Medicare Advantage Plan (uh oh…here comes EWO) in Sept. 09. I’ve paid into these plans since their conception or since I started working and it is unfortunate that government couldn’t contriol their mismanagement, fraud and the rewards to “special interests’ to help keep the program controllable. Now we face the rath of poor management in the form of major cuts. Like you, I had to pick up 10 days worth of antibiotics, but thank god it only cost me $30 instead of $107 because of my co-pay.
          For all those that want to critisize “us” that are on Social Security and Medicare, remember that it would have been much better off without government’s mismanagement and the deals that have been made to special interests.

        • Joe H.

          Meteor lady,
          You state the V.A. is eating up money. I’m sorry lady but every one of those vets EARNED every bit of coverage they get! Some have bodies so torn up from defending you me and others it isn’t funny!! Some will be so messed up mentally for the rest of their lives from the horrors of combat! you should thank God they have always been there to defend you and yours anytime, anywhere!!! God Bless All our Vets!!!!

        • American Citizen

          We were AARP members for a few years, but when they turned Liberal, we quit them real fast. I caught on by reading their magazine as to just what kind of group they are.

          • DaveH

            Citizen,
            AARP has been Liberal for well over a decade.

          • Claire

            AARP is a big no no. My husband and I never joined this organization.

        • Claire

          A person should take care of their health. But thin people have heart attacks just like obese people. Same with diabetes, high cholesterol, etc. One thing I have noticed when my husband was in the hospital so many times–some (in fact, quite a few of them) of the nurses were huge- like 250-300 pounds. It never ceases to amaze me, especially since they work in the health profession. But sometimes a person really has to battle to keep from being overweight. I know people with asthma and emphysema and they never smoked. And I do not condone smoking. I think a lot depends on the physical make-up of a person’s body. Here again, the old adage, “you are what you eat.” Who knows. Maybe it’s the luck of the draw but a person should (myself included) take care of themselves and eat correctly if possible.
          On another note–I try never to use the word “right.” I use “correct” instead. I think you get my drift. LOL

      • Time

        Tim,

        In some points you are 100% correct, as in Tort reform, crossing state lines etc.

        But, as to cost, Barry’s plan works out to this you as a single person under the age of 50 would be paying no less than $450.00 per month.
        The real number would be quite a bit higher, just for the record you would pay for no less that three years before you can even use the product.
        So based on just the $450 number thats over $5.5K per year, keep in mind that younger people will pay more.

        If you have a pre existing condition, “good luck” with that number the plan clearly states your {SOL,} you can try and pay to get on at a number that will be “reviewed by a pannel.”
        As a Democratic Senator from VA noted, that would be impossible if at all.

        How to reduce Insurance cost, there are many ways. As noted just to allow the crossing of state lines would be a start.Stopping countless law suits that are inflated beyond reason. Keeping the Government 100% out of the insurance biz.

        The facts are that insurance is in the Sickness biz, so on that point I agree with you 100%. But why is that?
        Its betting on – or against yourself, but then again thats what all insurance is.

        One more note, Its not within the power of the Congress, nor the Senate, nor the president to FORCE anyone to buy a product or face Fines, and jail. Thats “100% WRONG” in all respects.

        Now ask yourself why it is that people in Canada if the health insurance up there is so special they come to the US for their medical needs?

        Also I don’t know how much you know but the US drug companys that sell drugs to France, and Germany, Canada, etc. they get about 1/8 of what they charge here in the US.
        Why is that?
        We in the US are paying for these special Social heath plans thats why. We make up the differance in lost dollars.

      • George

        Tim,

        I think you’ve made many good points. I would just like to address a couple if I can.

        First, preventive care is an investment that is expected to pay dividends through reduced costs in the future. Since insurance companies have no guarantee that their policyholders will continue to be clients in the future, I think this is one reason they are reluctant to invest heavily in prevention. Also sometimes, I understand, prevention may be a good idea for a lot of reasons, but you can’t justify it based on lower future healthcare costs. I don’t see a good solution to either of these problems right now, but I would prefer that this be solved by the private sector rather than government intervention, if at all possible.

        Second, I believe a government (public) option is a poor choice. The government can’t really provide true competition in the marketplace because the government isn’t a private company working under the same rules as the companies they want to compete with. To put it another way, the government does not have to make a profit, but all private companies do. Therefore, if the government “competes” it would amount to nothing more than setting (generally low) prices, and subsidizing the program with taxpayer money, which the private companies don’t get. This sort of practice has historically at best very limited success, and at worst disastrous results for the market. The free market should set prices, not the government, or any monopoly for that matter. Finally, the government is not in the business of making profits and competing, so they really don’t know how to do either of these well. So, if the government really had to compete with private companies on a level playing field, the government would be the first to go bankrupt. The government should stick to what they do best, not get into trying to provide services that the private sector can provide better.

        One last point. I do not see why the citizens of this country should be expected to provide the same level of healthcare to illegal immigrants, people who are illegally in this country anyway, as we provide for ourselves. Logic tells me that we ought to treat their illness using good, but minimal means, and usher them home or put them in detention for their crime. Does that make sense to you?

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    It’s just another smokescreen to blame another wanna-be Marxist (G.W.)for all the economic problems started by G.W., but actually put over the bridge by obama, himself! FYI: The Bush family has been doing Business in China since the “Mao” marxist take-over of China, if not even before!

    • Meteorlady

      Ah, but Clinton signed the Free Trade Agreement and NAFTA. We all know how many manufacturing jobs that lost us. So why keep blaming everyone, including Bush. Why not blame ourselves for voting for these jerks int he first place. Everyone was so sick of Bush that they did a knee jerk and elected a pig in a poke and that’s just what we got. If you want to place blame, start the blame way back in our history – FDR, LBJ and Carter gave us the worst of the worst as far as social programs are concerned. We are stuck with them and they are out of control and still growing. We can bash Bush all we want, but it makes no sense.

      • eyeswideopen

        Meteorlady, read history, and you will see that the idea of NafTA was orginally Reagans, was called “North American Accord”, he passed it to Bush, who couldn’t get it signed while he was Pres., although he did sign the agreement. Getting it passed in Congress was a problem. Until you know the history behind something, it is not good to try and blame a President, when the Presidents of the other party created and tried to pass the Act. If you look up NAFTA you will see the history and whose idea this was.

        • JeffH

          Who was responsible for putting it into legislation, thus signing the agreement, when others failed?

        • George

          Eyes,

          I haven’t confirmed what you claim about Reagan and Bush supporting NAFTA prior to Clinton signing it into law. However, that does sound reasonable to me, so I expect it’s true. It’s also true that Clinton could only have gotten the bill out of Congress with the support of Republicans and a few Democrats, because the Democrats, in general, didn’t like the program. That was largely because the labor unions opposed it, and they were the largest contributors to Democrat politicians.

          I’m stating all this to try to be fair, but also to say that everything I have ever heard about open trade agreements has been that they are good for our economy. That is, more people benefit than suffer from trade with other countries. You can’t put up barriers to trade (like higher tariffs) to protect your domestic companies and jobs without eventually paying a high price. In other words, trade barriers actually cost jobs and reduce economic growth overall.

          The U.S. has lost a sizeable number of jobs and industries to foreign countries over the past few decades, and that’s not a good thing. We should address this issue in constructive ways that benefit the economy overall. While we may lose some jobs and industries to low cost labor countries, it’s not inevitable that we’ll lose them all. Instead of blaming our foreign competitors for not “playing fair” (meaning, according to our rules), we need to think strategically and maximize our strengths and minimize our weaknesses in the global competition for creating and growing jobs. The U.S. has a lot going for it, and if we do the right things, we can turn this situation around. We need to start thinking and acting like a winner in this competition instead of whinning like a loser. The socialist want you to think that the problem is hopeless unless we turn to big government to solve it for us. When we do, there’s no telling what we’ll get, other than it’ll surely be worse than what we have now.

      • DaveH

        We have lost manufacturing companies because American labor costs are too high (think Unions), and too much of our financial resources are devoted to non-productive, in fact negatively productive, government bureaucrats. If we didn’t have free trade, many of us would just have to do without those products as they would be too scarce and too pricey for most people.
        Ah, the good old red-herring. Get people focused on an issue to divert their attention from the real problems.
        The only problem I have with NAFTA is the name. It is an Oxymoron. Free Trade is not that which is administered by Government Panels. The average American citizen needs to learn some economics.

        • George

          Dave,

          I like your post. Don’t forget that our corporate tax rates are among the highest in the industralized world. That doesn’t help companies compete in global markets either.

          • DaveH

            Yes, the leaders know the score. They get the citizens all worked up about corporations paying their fair share, but in reality corporations are just collections of individuals. It is just another sneaky way for those politicians to collect more money and power. Imagine for instance, it all taxes were on Individuals. Would those individuals condone so much wasteful government spending if they saw the money coming directly from their pockets? I doubt it.

          • George E

            No, of course not. That’s one of the primary reasons politicians spread the taxes over so many different things. If everyone just wrote one check to the government each year for their share of the taxes, we wouldn’t pay nearly as much because people wouldn’t stand for it.

  • Leah

    Pray for America. And write your congressman! It’s obvious that Obama is a con-man and anti American but never forget he’s also dangerous. He is strong-arming congress and will shove his health care down our throats if he can. Let your congressman know that following Obama into the abyss is political suicide. He is indeed a one-term president.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marty

    If the GOP should refuse to go to this “large” meeting, Obama will say that they do not want Americans
    to have affordable healthcare. I don’t see that they have a choice other than to go, but they should make
    it clear that if the same old plan is going to be hauled out with only a few superficial changes, they will
    walk out and let Americans know that the whole thing is a “sham” to fool the American people. The first order of business is to vote that whatever plan they discuss will be used by the members of Congress, the House and the Senate, as well as all the “czars”, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, Obama and anyone else who has a hand in the decision-making process that is to be our healthcare.

    When I was a kid in school, nobody like “blamers” and “whiners”. We all looked down on the “tattletale”
    types who constantly blamed everyone else when they were caught with “their hand in the cookie jar”.
    Not much has changed since those school days, Americans still have little or no respect for anyone who
    blames others for their own problems. It is time for the leader of the free world to grow up! He is as
    transparent as glass and he no longer fools as many as he once did. If the “news media” (and I use that
    term loosely) did not cover up for him by praising everything he does, right or wrong, and ignoring the
    glaringly obvious gaffs, he would no longer fool anyone!

    Indeed….Pray for America!

  • Raggs

    This is a trick, obama has something sneaky up his sleeve.

  • Disgusted

    Why don’t they take the time and effort they are putting into this healthcare bill and work on fixing Social Security/The Welfare System/The VA and many other programs they are responsible for that DON’T WORK and are financial drains on every American Citizen. Why put another one in place that is doomed to be a failure and cost us a fortune, just as all the other “government run” programs.

    • Tim

      Are you also disgusted with that big government program passed by your own Republican Congress and President in 2005, called “Prescription Drug Program”? How is it that Republicans can bellyache about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA benefits, etc., but not have outrage over the biggest government takeover of health care since 1965, which was rammed through the Repubican dominated Congress and signed into law by former president George W. Bush? That is the height of hypocrisy!!

      If Medicare and Medicaid can be called “socialized medicine” by all the rightwingers, than the Prescripion Drug Program of 2005 is ALSO “socialized medicine!!

      • Meteorlady

        You just hit the argument for National Health Care – they “SAY” it will cost so much but it never does. It takes on a life of it’s own and grows and grows according to the special interests.

        When Bush signed this into law he promised it would cost $400 mil but Medicare chief Mark B. McClellan said the new drug package would cost $534 billion over 10 years. Later, he acknowledged that the cumulative cost of the program between 2006 and 2015 will reach $1.2 trillion, but he cited several major savings and offsets that he said will reduce the federal government’s bottom-line cost to $720 billion.

        Doesn’t this all sound familiar? The same government is now trying to tell us the same thing about Universal Health Care – we will cut costs somewhere else…. it will only cost so much….. etc etc.

        If Bush would have put controls on the growth of drug prices, the cost would not have been so much.

        There are a number of things we can do to reduce our costs:

        Stop drug company advertising – they spend 57 mil per year.
        Stop treating non-emergencies in Hospital emergencies rooms.
        Let insurance companies sell across state lines.
        Make doctors police themselves and get rid of bad doctors.
        Make insurance pools like they do high risks automobiles policies.
        Reward people with lower insurance premiums if they are healthy and exercise.
        Create more insurance cooperatives – see Seattle’s Group Health and Puget Sound Health Partners.
        Last but not least, clean up the system. Stop giving everything to everyone for nothing.

        The government has had years to get rid of fraud and waste and have not done it yet. They don’t have the resources or the money to police these programs – they are too big. That alone argues for the State right to do these things.

      • George

        Tim,

        For many of us, this really isn’t as much about Republican vs. Democrat or Bush vs. Obama as it is about socialism vs. capitalism, or put another way, big government vs. small government. So, it doesn’t matter which President signs what new socialized bill into law, you can bet that it will cost much more than they proclaim when they are trying to sell it to us, and may deliver inferior quality services as well. It’s not always true that the quality is inferior, but it is always true that the cost will be much more overall than if it had been left to the citizens to work it out for themselves in the free market. After struggling with the cost issue for a number of years, then quality will likely fall off as well as the government attempts to reduce cost.

      • American Citizen

        IF the Medicare Drug program is socialist, then why do we have to pay a premium for it? Our premiums went up this year, yet we got no raise in SS. We also pay a premium for Part B and a supplemental insurance. Medicare is not free health care.

        • DaveH

          It’s because the inflation rate (by their definition) was less than zero in 2009.
          I would agree with Tim that SS is Socialism, and I agree with MeteorLady that we do pay into it. But the citizens always pay for Socialism. Who else would?
          What I would like to know is how we ever let government get away with taking our money “for our own good” and then let them waste the funds?
          How naive we are.

          • George

            I believe government convinced enough people that the “rich” would pay for these programs, not the middle-class, and the cost would be much less than it turned out to be.

          • DaveH

            That’s always how they get their foot in the door.
            I suppose our parents deserved what they got for being so greedy, but most of us weren’t there to vote.
            And now our children and grandchildren are in the same boat. They will be saddled with massive debt created by spending that they didn’t even get to vote on. How immoral is that?

    • JeffH

      The only ones calling Social Security and Medicare “socialist programs” have been the liberals on the posts I’ve been in over the last year.

  • Paul

    Let’s see…He and his menions close the door to the GOP and the public, keep the bill from the public eye until the 2000 page bill is hours away from being voted on, Can’t get his own people to agree on it and now that’s it’s stalled he is looking for a GOP scapegoat to pin the failures on.

    Scrap the HealthCare reform and start from scratch. Reform is needed but not any of what is being proposed now and certainly not government run.

    • Raggs

      How true… He is also trying to gain support for the demo’s using the GOP as a failer to his massive take over. This is nothing more than a trick to turn the public away from the GOP. A blame game he can go on about for the next three year’s as with Bush. It is going to be interesting to see how he will use his teleprompter in an actual debate!!!!

    • Tim

      You must be getting your news from that rightwing organization called Fox Noise (aka Fox News), because you are not hearing the same thing I am. While I’m hearing very good mainsteam news from CNN or MSNBC, you are hearing a lot of gossip from Beck, O’Reilly, and Hannity, who waste their time and their viewers time criticizing the President, just because he happens to be a Democrat. Get over it! You Republicans got your butts kicked in both 2006 and 2008. Republicans can’t govern; you proved that during George W. Bush’s two terms.

      Obama admitted that he could have handled the health care debate a little better. As far as Republican ideas not being given any consideration by the Democrats, that is false. There were over 100 amendments by Republicans that were voted on during the health care debate. They were defeated, because they were so bad.

      Finally, let me try to drive some sense into your head. Neither Obama nor the Democrats are advocating a government takeover of health care. You have to quit listening to the lies being propounded by Fox Noise. A public Option is NOT a government takeover; let’s be clear about that. There have been a couple of congressmen (Bernie Sanders of VT. and one other one congressman) who did propose a single-payer system, but this was never taken up in Committee debates, because it wouldn’t survive, even among Democrats.

      • Time

        Tim,

        Glen Beck is not interested in either party, he is more focused on ridding us of the “PROGRESSIVE” movement. Now is that more clear.

        As the PROGRESSIVE movement has no interest in American’s core values your point would be what again?

      • George

        Tim,

        I’d rather not look at politics as a game between your team (Democrats) and my team (Republicans), with one winning and one losing. I’d rather think of it more like a competition between good and bad ideas. Regardless which team wins elections, we (citizens) could still get stuck with a big debt to pay-off and/or poor quality programs. If I thought bigger government programs will give us more effective programs at a lower cost, I’d get behind that idea. Unfortunately, my education and observations over the years tells me just the opposite. I know that the Republican Party has promoted bigger government at times just like the Democrats have, so I don’t always agree with them either. Everyone’s got an opinion, and a vote, so we just need to sort out all the arguments to determine which ones make the most sense to us.

        Regarding Republican healthcare amendments being rejected in committee, if they were rejected because they were so bad, why is Obama willing to consider them now? I’m inclined to believe the Democrats rejected them because they didn’t want these bills to get slowed down with debate. They were trying to pass them as quickly as possible. I think at the end of the day, this was unwise because the American people wanted to know more about these bills before they passed, and that may be one of the reasons a majority turned against them. This legislation needs to slow down and let all parties debate the issues so the American people can be confident they’re not getting another “pig in the polk.”

        Clearly, Obama and the Democrats have denied a number of times that they want the government to take over the healthcare system, but some of us have trouble believing them. Progressives have so infested the Democratic Party and its leadership, and conservatives are generally at odds with their socialist tendencies and practices. We’ve seen our country slowly evolve over the years in a way that we don’t like simply because the progressives have nibbled away at our traditions, culture, and economic system. When Obama and others have publicly stated they want a “single-payer” healthcare system, we strongly believe that’s exactly what they will get if we let down our guard for one minute. If we didn’t think we were dealing with people who will do or say just about anything to take us toward socialism, we’d be a lot more inclined to compromise with them.

        • cr747

          George, we have already got PIGS in a polk, Pelosi, Reid, Shummer, Rangel, Feinstein, (H_____I don’t have enough room to list them) and on top of that we have got a “HOG” trying to run the UNITED STATES when he does not have enough sense to run a yard sale

          • George E

            ha, ha, ha.

      • Joe H.

        Tim,
        Obummer said earlier this year that ultimatly what he would like to see is a single payer system. The main reason they couldn’t get it passed was some of the dems demanded a single payer system and others didn’t want it. Please don’t try to convince people here that Obummer said something he didn’t or did when he didn’t! By the way, did that “B” you gave Obummer stand for Bullsh!t????

      • DaveH

        Tim,
        If you weren’t getting your news from the Fringe Media, you would know why the Public Option would be a takeover.
        It really doesn’t take a lot of brainpower to know that the government, since it can’t fail (deep pockets, ours), could (and would) easily price Private Insurance out of the market. You see Private Insurers have to make ends meet to stay alive. Government just raises taxes, borrows more money, or creates more money. They can’t lose.
        Time for some more pablum, dear boy.

      • cr747

        Tim, Where in H____did you get your information? I am a democrat myself, but I have lost all confidence in them because of the ironic, anti-American president taking up space in the White House, planning on having all of our American Soldiers Mascaraed by him being a MUSLIM by his MUSLIM brothers in Afghanistan…If we don’t get them out of the White House, THE UNITED STATES is going to go down faster than the titanic!!!!!!!!!!

      • cr747

        Tim, there where not any Republicans amendments voted on. The Democrats left them outside hanging on a limb hoping the limb would break so that they would not have them to deal with…

        Man open your eyes, if you are a man. You sound like a kid!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pamela Dale

    Like what happened to the focus on jobs?

    • Raggs

      The ol’ bait-n-switch tatic. have you ever noticed obama does not sit in one seat long? He only stay’s in one spot long enough to start trouble.

    • Time

      Pam,

      Barry dose not have one, so thats the plan with Barry on jobs.

    • George

      I believe I heard someone on Obama’s staff proclaiming this healthcare reform act would help stimulate new job creation. I guess they can argue that point if they want to, but I really don’t think the American electorate will buy it, especially now. I expect they’ll make that same claim for everything they want to get passed for the next few years, or until the jobs situation improves.

      • American Citizen

        Actually it would be a job killer as companies would be forced to lay off workers to pay for it.

        • George

          Most likely……

        • DaveH

          Good point Citizen.

  • Meteorlady

    “the president does not plan to start from scratch regarding healthcare reform and that the Democrats will be “coming in with [their] plan,” according to The Wall Street Journal.” Boy that should tell us something right there. It’s all a big show for television and Katie….. Government health care is dead – give it up! It is not the Federal Government’s right nor obligation to provide us with all these services as my expense. I wanted to see the debates on C-span like he promised! Not happening because there is so much to hide from us in this bill. Now he has to talk compromise so he can again try and fool the people into believing that the Republicans are all to blame for not doing anything. I have seen lots of Republican ideas, but none have been widely reported by the media.

    • George

      I believe you’re probably correct. I expect the Democrats to incorporate as little Republican input as necessary to scab off one or two Republican Senators to vote for it. That’ll work to get the legislation out of Congress, but I think they’re going to have a big problem with the American people if they do it this way. Just like many have said, we want to see it debated on CSPAN to get comfortable with this legislation. This is a big deal for most of us, and we are very skeptical that Congress has done a good job of crafting it because 1) they’ve rushed it through without bi-partisan debate and support, 2) made special deals with labor unions and several states to get their support, 3) excluded Congress and their families from this bill and 4) often can’t even tell you what’s in it.

    • cr747

      Meteorlady, I have QUIT watching CBS NEWS simply because KATIE COURIC is as crooked as OBAMB and the DEMOCRATS. She only knows one side and that is the DEMOCRAT side. She has nothing to do with the REPUBLICAN and other PARTIES other than making fun of them!!!!!!!!!

      • Joe H.

        cr747,
        I stopped watching katie when she wouldn’t call President Bush Mr President or president Bush after he took the second term!!! She was seething!!!

  • http://None Bryan schnicke

    Obama is not a good pres… And he will not do wat he said he would it’s a trick!! He got elected because he tricked us into a bog black hole that swirls with a bunch of lies! He hasn’t got ANYTHING done and will not get anything done! I usually respect the pres but bot this one ( don’t take me wrong) ( it’s not cause he’s black) I just hope we can get a leader that does what hw says he will do! Thanks

    • Tim

      The President deserves about a B. I’ll admit he isn’t as good as Bill Clinton or FDR, but he’s heck of a lot better than most Republican presidents who have ever served (including HW Bush, W Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Hoover, Harding, Coolidge, and Eisenhower). Of the group of Republicans I named, I think Eisenhower was probably the best. It’s interesting that he was even considered to possibly be the Democratic nominee. I bet you never knew that.

      Obama inherited a mess from W Bush. Why can’t you just admit it? I mean two wars, a Wallstreet meltdown, a $1.2 trillion budget deficit, scandals, high unemployment. Obama has scarcely been in there for a year. He needs more time to tackle the nation’s problems. I think he should forge ahead with health care, plus he should get a jobs bill passed. If the Republicans continue to be obstructionists, then the Democrats should just pass bills with simple majorities, or at least try to.

      • Allan

        1.2 trillion is wrong. Let me make one thing clear first, there’s no excuse for Bush growing his deficit. SHould I repeat that? But let’s be accurate. $500 billion of the $1.2 trillion cited were loans (to failing institutions) that have been REPAID. Obama has now pushed the deficit to 1.4 trillion, thus almost doubling Bush in one year. Obama now wants to spend that repaid $500 billion as though we aren’t going to notice. Another $384 billion out of Bush’s $700 billion deficit were TARP funds, supposedly necessary to stave off financial collapse. I thought Democrats were in favor of fixing the economy…which is why they spent $787 billion as soon as they came into power. If we consider Bush’s TARP as well-intended as Obama’s stimulus, it reduces Bush’s actual spending growth deficit to under $400 billion, which Obama has almost quadrupled in one year. I feel both the Bush TARP and Democrat stimulus were poor decisions. I give a little leeway to Bush, since he was three months from leaving office when the treasury secretary mentioned America is on the verge of financial collapse. I am skeptical of that claim, and it is obvious, based on the rate at which Obama spent the stimulus funds that the urgency was overstated. But it is totally understandable how freaked out the administration was with the situation…because they have little or no real world business experience! Combine that with a timely opportunity for “social transformation” and you have the current fiasco. Almost like letting children play soldier in the back yard with real guns. If you had a business with the balance sheet ratios of the federal government and you went to one of the bailed out banks to get a rescue/stimulus loan, guess what…they’d have turned you down, trying hard to keep from laughing, and it would be the best lesson you could get in business or personal finance!

        • DaveH

          $1.2 Trillion was the deficit “projected” by the CBO for the year 2009. The actual deficit when Obama took office was about $400 Billion. The actual deficit for 2009 came in at about $1.4 Trillion.
          The “projected” deficit for 2010 is $1.35 Trillion. Personally, with the out of control 111th Congress, I expect it will get bigger than that.

      • Jana

        Tim, I have given Obama a big fat F. He has failed big time.

      • Joe H.

        Tim,
        Yeah “B” for BUM right?

      • George

        Tim,

        If I rated U.S. Presidents from Woodrow Wilson to the present for growing the size and power of the federal government and taking us down a socialist path (something I think is very important), I’d have to rate Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, and probably Obama as the worst offenders. Many of the Republican Presidents were also guilty, but not to the extent that this group of Democrats were.

        With this in mind, I’d give Obama fairly good grades where he has followed Bush’s lead (Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP), but on most other issues, I’d rate him way down right now. His inexperience and strong leftist leaning has pulled him in the wrong direction too often. Maybe he’ll come back to the center like Clinton did, but I sort of doubt it. We’ll see.

        • American Citizen

          Obama knows in order to get reelected he will have to pretend to turn to the right. After the election, he would do an about face and return to his socialist ideas. It’s happened with every liberal that wants to be reelected. I’m always amazed at the electorate that falls for it.

      • George

        Tim,

        Everyone recognizes that Obama inherited a lot of problems when he came into office. A lot of Presidents do. However, objectively speaking, one can’t, or shouldn’t, try to lay all the blame for the economic problems on Bush and his administration. I’m pretty sure history will record that they did make some mistakes. However, this financial crisis was the work of a lot of people including politicians and Presidents from both parties, the Federal Reserve Bank, financial institutions and businesses around the world, and even the public at large, and was at least 10-20 years in the making. The underlying cause is too much debt in all sectors.

        The issue is what has Obama done to fix these problems? I don’t like his solutions so far, and I think the majority of Americans agree with me since his poll numbers keep sliding. When he starts implementing common sense, workable solutions and quit blaming the Republicans and Bush for everything, he do a lot better.

      • DaveH

        All you have to do Tim is go to the Congressional Websites and look up the roll call votes for past Congresses. Then you will see that the Democrats rarely see a spending bill they don’t like.

      • cr747

        Tim a person would have to be blind and deaf to give Obama a B,… He wouldn’t be worth a F,”…This president is the worst president that has ever $h## behind a pair of SHOES. He can’t even talk without a teleprompter, or a letter that someone else has written out for him. UH! AH! Now let me get this straight I UH, AM GREAT, UH! I UH, HAVE DONE THIS, I think I screwed up when I UH LIED to you people when running for president. I, I, Don’t know anything about being a president, and what am I going to do now.. Biden said he didn’t know either.. Pelosi said she didn’t know how to either, BUT,she said,”I can do my BULLFROG imitation sitting on a lilly pad.”

  • clydeG.

    All that the Republicans have to do is go to the meeting and
    sit down and linger long enough for Bam` to lay out the gist
    of his Government takeover. And then they all rise and with
    appropriate respect, explain to Bam` that their employers,
    (all tens of millions of them)sent us here to respectfully,
    but ‘forcefully’ decline your socialist takeover.[PERIOD]

    • JeffH

      clydeG., sounds simple enough to me.

  • Conservative Carl

    The Republicans would do well to stay away from this meeting because the Progressives (Marxists) will use it against them. We absolutely do not need a government-run national health care program for everyone. Not everyone wants it and yet Obama wants to penalize anyone who doesn’t sign up. Something is wrong with that approach. What this really involves is another step toward Marxism, total government control of our lives. Why do so many people not see this?

    • George

      Carl,

      Politics dictate that the Republicans have to meet with the Democrats to discuss healthcare reform. If they refuse now that Obama has invited them, it will look to many like they are simply obstructing the process for political purposes. This is a smart tactical (political) move by Obama to change the dynamics if he can. All he wants to do is win back 5%-10% public support that he’s lost and get 1-2 Republican Senators to vote for the bill. That will be enough to get it passed into law. I think the Republicans have to push for open debates on CSPAN to slow down the process enough so the American people can see what’s really in it. That should popular with the American people, and help get enough amendments in the bill to fix most of the problems it currently has, hopefully. Ironically, if the Republicans are successful doing this, it will actually help the Democrats, at least as much as it helps them. If they fail, and the bill gets signed into law with little public debate and bi-partisan support, as the Democrats want, I think the American electorate will punish the Democrats and Republicans who support the bill in the upcoming elections.

  • Warrior

    I have heard very little regarding why the cost of health care is so high from the supply side.

    We know that lawsuits increase tests and increase insurance premiums to providers.

    We know that private insured are subsidizing medicaid and uninsured.

    We know, or the claim is made, that there is fraud and abuse within the gov systems.

    We know that various levels of gov runs its own hospital systems including VA. These systems are frought with patronage workers.

    We know that there are a myriad of mandates and legislation imposed upon providers by everyone from feds down to local gov frequently overlapping and contradicting. There is a significant cost associated with adherence to these rules. No one can really quantify the benefits.

    We fund research to institutions and individuals that many times appear to be just rewards.

    Having been employed in the healthcare industry for over 28 years, I have had the pleasure of experiencing all of this first hand.

    My opinion is the public option is nothing more than a scam for the gov to get their hands on the overall $2.5 tril spent on
    healthcare in this country each year to help solve the shortfalls in SS and Medicare that are coming our way because of frivilous spending by our representatives. Secondly, in the event the dems could somehow take over healthcare they would create the largest patronage army in the world.

    So, demand your representatives start discussing this issue by analyzing the supply side first if they really want to understand the dynamics involved.

  • Conservative Carl

    For those who want to point back to George W. Bush I ask what is the point? Yes, George W did push massive spending programs such as the hugely expensive Education bill with Ted Kennedy, and with the Medicare prescription drug bill again with Ted. Conservatives weren’t happy with George W who did leave a deficit, but Obama has increased it many times over. As for Wall Street it was Fannie and Freddie along with Barnie Frank and Fred Raines (you heard of them?) who loosened the credit restrictions for first time home buyers, allowing many people with high risk to purchase. Hello Tim, you may wish for Marxism, full government control of your life and massive spending, but our nation cannot survive until spending is under control. Government is the problem and not the solution to a problem.

    • George

      Well said. Thanks.

  • Raggs
  • http://mooresmorgue@hotmail.com John Moore

    This is a setup by the Dems. to try to make the GOP look bad for not going along with their version of healthcare. At the top of the list needs to be TORT reform and open state boarders to purchase insurance across state lines. We need a “streamline” system, not more government. The private sector can do a better job than government agency.

    • DaveH

      Yes. Instead of more Government, the real solution is less Government. So, instead of more laws, they just need to rescind the laws that are hampering our Healthcare Industry.

      • tryagaintt

        yea, and dont forget the Tort reform so we can have many more die in the emergency room waiting for treatment

  • eddie47d

    Metorlady made many good points,but maybe the VA is so bloated because of all the wars we love to drag ourselves into.Now there’s a neverending debt. Harold Olsen and Time;Nazism was a terrible “disease” that ravaged Europe where people were taken at gun point to their deaths. Using it so casually to describe an American President is disgusting. You insult the memory of all who suffered under Hitler. Dave H.; France’s healthcare costs $3,600 per year and their longevity is 81yrs. Ours is closer to $8,000 and 78yrs. respectivly.We are the ones who need to watch our wallets. Time;wonders why drugs are so cheap in other countries. Could it be that our pharmecutical companies are ripping us off! Another way of putting it is that we don’t really have a free market with such diparity in pricing.

    • Meteorlady

      VA – lets talk about that. I ride motorcycles and there seems to be a lot of Vietnam vets riding. I hear a lot of their stories, but the bottom line is:

      They help each other get VA benefits by explaining how the system works. They go there, claim a certain type of syndrome and get declared “disabled”. A close friend went there and tried out the system. He is now on 100% disability. That in turn allowed him to get SS disability. So he’s collecting $1000 per month from the VA while he works part time 3 days a week, rides motorcycles on cross country trips and get all the free medical he wants.

      Then he had a gall bladder attack and had to go to a VA hospital. They gave him medication that he was allergic to and when he complained about difficulty breathing he was told he’d be OK. They then proceeded to keep giving him the medication until he ended up in Intensive Care. His wife shows up thinking he is in his old room, but he’s not so she has them look for him. Takes them 4 hours to find out where he is and what happened to him. No one so much as called her to tell her that he had a problem and was in intensive care. Everything that is wrong with this man has nothing to do with War – it has to do with poor lifestyle choices, over-eating, lack of exercise and heavy drinking when he was younger. Sounds like a really well run government organization to me.

      This has to do with wars, but it mostly has to do with inefficiencies in the system, fraud by Veterans that have round a way to get something for nothing, and waste.

      • Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        Spoken like a true person that has never served!!! I served in RVN for eighteen months and I don’t defraud them out of anything!!! I went to college on the GI bill but after serving almost 8 years, I earned every bit of it!! Those vets you disparage so much are the reason you have the rights to speak your mind! They are the reason you don’t speak German or Japanese! Your country called and they answered!

        • George

          Joe,

          I guess I need to let Meteorlady speak for herself, but I took her comments to be more about how inefficient the VA system is than making disparaging comments about veterans. If the system invites inefficiencies, fraud, and abuse, you’ll probably find problems if you look closely at it.

          • Joe H.

            George,
            I’m sorry but I’ve seen all the abuse directed at the vets that have defended the rights of the people of this country that I’m going to silently take! If it wasn’t for vets this country would have never survived and it wouldn’t have been formed if you want to get technical!!!

          • Claire

            George–I took her comments the same way you did. The VA hospital in southern Illinois is a prime example of inefficiency. Numerous vets died because of the ineptness of the people working at this hospital and the lousy people that were in charge.

      • American Citizen

        We’ve also heard some horror stories about the VA system. My husband went to the VA for his drugs for a little while. He had to see their doctor, even though we have our own, take the drugs they thought he should have, i.e., switch to a generic even though his own doctor didn’t want him on it, etc. After doing the math – the trip of several miles each way to drive there, the time lost doing that, the waiting after we got there, the cost of the drugs vs. what we were already paying, etc., we found it was cheaper and more convenient to stay with what we already had.

        • George

          Aren’t government-run programs wonderful?

    • DaveH

      Eddie,
      You mean France’s stated Healthcare costs. The raw expenditures are just a part of the story. There are hidden costs that are not quantifiable, like disencentives for people in the healthcare industry to perform efficiently. Look at the whole picture. France’s taxes in the latest year were 45% of GDP. Their Government spending was 52% of GDP in the latest year. That’s a 7% of GDP shortfall that adds to their National Debt. How many years do you think they can add 7% of GDP to their National Debt before they collapse like Greece is now doing?
      http://www.heritage.org/index/Country/France

      • DaveH

        Personal Liberty,
        Would you kindly remove one of those links? My error. Sorry.

  • clydeG.

    Anyone who was here when ‘bubba’ Clinton and Jesse Jackson used
    their concocted slogan “affirmative Action” to hijack the surplus
    that had built up from the Tech bubble to put a half million dollar
    house in any minority’s name, and by doing so has busted the bank,
    should be keenly aware that to now assign each minority his/her
    individual private Doctor would take the system/country past the
    point of no return, which would weaken us to the point that Bam`
    would have achieved his goal. (destroying the country he hates)

    • American Citizen

      There wouldn’t be enough doctors to assign them all to. If this goes through, a lot of doctors would retire. There is already a shortage of doctors, especially in the rural areas. The medical schools will only take so many applicants due to a shortage of revenue. This bill will cause havoc in the health care system.

  • Vinnie

    Meteor lady, i you are still on linbe, I just came across your 10 am blog, of which a portion is submitted here:
    “How many illegals are there in this country? Answer: About 24-30 million. ONE hospital in the DFW area stated that they spent over 2.3 million on treating charity patients in their emergency rooms. Most of those were illegals who did not speak English so they also had to provide a translator for them. Add that one up times all the large hospitals in Urban areas within the US.
    Answer: from us when we pay for higher hospital costs that get passed on to the insurance companies.”
    I want to thank you for that bit of truism. I live in the DFW area so I know exactly where you are coming from.
    HALLELUJAH!!!

  • http://www.DownsizeCa.org JKeyes

    Beware of a Wolf in sheep’s clothing. This meeting is a farce, as is everything that our president has said over his ONE YEAR in office.

  • Raggs

    Is anyone paying attention to the snow in the North East?
    Well, we have all seen the record snow fall but there is another story to this besides the obama media saying it is caused by global warming…In which is simply a hoax!!!
    North Carolina has declared a state of emergency forfeiting the constitution and individual rigths. Also the panic has emptied stores to bare cubbards. People are ordered to stay home… The sell of alcohol banned and no one is to have firearms outside of thier residence…

    To some this may sound like a good idea, and in some cases it may be. But…It’s only a matter of time before obama declares a national emergency using any excuse possible.. Marshal law.. It leads me to wonder if his dont care attitude towards terroist is a perfect scapegoat to confiscate firearms… My point is I do not trust his man! I feel as if he has an agenda to turn this country into another UK style state. We all know all of his agenda “health reform” is a pattern from the UK with massive taxes and penalties being his idea.
    I know I’m a little off subject here but everyone needs to pay really close attention to what he is doing behind closed doors.

  • chuck b

    why don’t we post signs at all ports of entry to the u.s. and all southern desert trails especially (water stops) that all who enter is responsible for their own healthcare (like mexico)and require all people including fed and civil employees to be covered under one halthcare bill with a $500.00 deductible and stop all emergency room treatment unless it is a true emergency. the doctors could lower their office call fees and probably make more money than the present medicare payment. i believe most of the wrangling over hc costs is due to the large illegal immigration and political payback for votes. it will be interesting to see how the repub. wimps handle this trap the caliph is setting for them. i can see them bending towards mecca so the public can view them as being fair. this is what got bush into so much trouble and i wouldn’t be surprised they will do it again, the repubs can’t lead and can’t stand success.

    • Raggs

      Because the health bill is not about health care! It is only about the government controlling your life! They want to force you into socialism.. So government be damned! They somehow think that taking control of a so called “health care” will give them every excuse to raise our taxes in order to offset this stupid regimes spending. The boys think they will get away with forcing you to purchase insurance or fine / jail you if you dont. Hummmm I have to say let them try it it will not be pretty! The other things…. Cap-n-tax, global warming, card check. All of which have only one thing in common Tax and tax and tax!!! I am not sure about anyone else that comes here but, I’m sick of the government blowing our and the next 5 generations furture on a lame bullsh** ponzi scam. obama is the biggest liar since tricky dick and he is a fool of a man for thinking we the people cannot figure it out. We are on the verge of a collapse we titter totter on the edge of monetary failer and this stupid itch wants to borrow and spend borrow and spend… Health care will be the last straw for this country the ordinary people will stand agaisnt this regime and defeat it! Kinnda reminds me of how Rome failed and was burnt…

  • JeffH

    Just thought I would share a humorous email I recieved today to keep the air light.

    A Republican, in a wheelchair, entered a restaurant one afternoon and asked the waitress for a cup of coffee. The Republican looked across the restaurant and asked, “Is that Jesus sitting over there?”

    The waitress nodded “yes,” so the Republican requested that she give Jesus a cup of coffee, on him.

    The next patron to come in was a Libertarian, with a hunched back. He shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down, and asked the waitress for a cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the restaurant and asked, “Is that Jesus, over there?”

    The waitress nodded, so the Libertarian asked her to give Jesus a cup of hot tea, “My treat.”

    The third patron to come into the restaurant was a Democrat on crutches. He hobbled over to a booth, sat down and hollered, “Hey there honey! How’s about gettin’ me a cold mug of Miller Light?” He too looked across the restaurant and asked, “Isn’t that God’s boy over there?

    The waitress nodded, so the Democrat directed her to give Jesus a cold beer. “On my bill,” he said loudly.

    As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the Republican, touched him and said, “For your kindness, you are healed.” The Republican felt the strength come back into his legs, got up, and danced a jig out the door.

    Jesus passed by the Libertarian, touched him and said, “For your kindness, you are healed.” The Libertarian felt his back straightening up and he raised his hands, praised the Lord, and did a series of back flips out the door.

    Then, Jesus walked towards the Democrat, just smiling.

    The Democrat jumped up and yelled, “Don’t touch me …. I’m collecting disability.”

    • George

      Ha, ha, ha…….

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      JeffH,

      I’m with George….Ha Ha Ha…………….(Repeat)!

      Fed Up Gal

    • American Citizen

      Priceless.

  • Raggs

    we can not let bozo obama and company do this.

  • eddie47d

    Meteorlady,you seem to tell it like it is. When I returned from Vietnam I had terrible headaches and was checked out before I was discharged. They said I was fine and I went back to civilian life. 44yrs. later I still have those headaches and have gone to my regular Dr. I guess I just learned to live with it. I was engaged after I got out,but her old boyfriend came back with a 100% mental disability and she felt sorry for him. two weeks later they got married and went to Texas. He seemed fine to me (mentally),but 1yr. later they were divorced and she wanted to be back with me. It didn’t happen but I sure was leary about some vets. I worked with a guy who has collected for over 40 yrs. now. I’ve seen him on the dance floor and he sure is a lot healthier than I am. So many people,and vets do milk the system.

    • Joe H.

      Eddie47d
      I know a great many Vietnam vets, I am one myself, and I can assure you that the guy you describe is the exception!!! If you were there and not a REMF then you should know the horrors some of them went through. I know one that was turned away from VA for mental problems and three days later he killed four people and himself Calling them gooks!!! Had VA have helped him those four would be alive today as well as himself!

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    JeffH- Since Bush Sr and Clinton had their strategy all mapped out on the presidential seat and NAFTA, that was when it was approved. Bill was so very sure Hillary was to be the next president he was all for doubling the pay for the position. But some apple carts were overturned – HUH? Everything does not always go as planned. Why did Hillary make so many trips to China during Bills tenure? Any answers anyone?

    • JeffH

      So Billy Boy could hook up with Monica L., or did Hillary really like “authentic” chinese take out?

  • chuck b

    dee d

    it seems if i remember correctly, china came up with a guidance system for her ibm’s and other electronic equipment supplied by u.s.manufacture’s approved by bill clinton. what bill clinton received in return is hard to say. the chinese were light years behind on their guidance system.

  • cr747

    EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS, OBAMA ADMITTING HE IS A MUSLIM::::::::::::
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  • Mark

    Don’t tell me ya’ll haven’t figured out he is a muslim. Of course he is a muslim, been that all his life. Some fancy scam and big dollars to hide it by his baptist wife who by muslim standards can’t even live with him. Streatched truths on both fronts. I urinate on obama’s likeness and I use those calendars with his picture on them as targets. Not bad to around 3K ft. He is purposely destroying this country, but ain’t that what those swine loving muslims stated, we will take this country without a shot, or what that the illegal mexcans.

    • jim

      Mark, I hear about Obama serving Kobe beef and having steak dinners, but never a pig roast. Muslim?

    • American Citizen

      Someday, there’ll be a war between the Mexicans and the Muslims, M & M’s, for this country, LOL.

  • TOMMY FREEDOM

    THEY SAY IF YOU DONT WIN, JUST CHEAT.

    THE HEALTHCARE MEETING IS A SHAM, IF OBAMA DOESNT WIN, HE WILL FIND AN EXCUSE TO BLAME IT ON THE REPUBLICANS. BUT, HERES THE REAL TRICK UP HIS SLEEVE, ACCORDING TO NY TIMES HE IS READY TO PUT IN PLACE ALL HIS PUNITIVE AGENDA BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. JUST SKIP CONGRESS, AMERICAN PEOPLE OPINION, WHY BOTHER WITH THOSE STUPID PEOPLE. CAN YOU SAY Tyranny !!!

    • American Citizen

      I’d say that would be unconstitutional. There would really be a revolt, at least I hope the American people would be smart enough to understand what is going on.

  • HHH

    A Muslim you are not, but racist you are!!!! And you call yourselves christians??? It does take religion for good people to do bad things!!!!!!! Hypocricts!!!!!

  • http://N/A Matthew Williams

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