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Obama Has Sabotaged American Energy Independence

March 9, 2011 by  

Obama Has Sabotaged American Energy Independence

The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world’s oil reserves, is in revolt. Some have blamed President Barack Obama for inciting chaos in Egypt; once an American pillar in the region.

Others have criticized the President for not clamping down on Moammar Gadhafi, the supreme leader of Libya for 42 years, who has created chaos and killed Americans.

The net result is, as the Middle East melts down, oil prices are ablaze: rising from less than $37 per barrel during their 2008 lows to breaking above the $100 per barrel mark. Soaring oil prices impact the cost of all things, from transportation to leisure to foodstuffs.

If Saudi Arabia implodes this will be the world’s worst energy crisis. The House of Saud has bailed out the Western world for four decades. But Saudi Arabia’s ability to ramp-up production is very much in question, as is the nation’s capacity to protect itself from what may be a revolutionary Jihad.

But Obama’s travesty has not only been how he has handled the Middle East but how he has steadfastly refused to develop America’s domestic petroleum production.

Oh Dear! Green Politics Could Mean $10 Per Gallon Gas!
Three years ago, candidate Obama made proclamations on opening up the U.S. to exploratory oil and gas drilling. But the oil executives I have spoken to say Obama has done nothing to increase America’s domestic capabilities.

While Obama has added acreage in Alaska for possible leasing, the best sites have been yanked off the table. Drillers have had to sit on their hands waiting on environmental studies before lease sales are held.

The President’s biggest backers, the Green lobby, have plans to line-up one lawsuit after another to block critical drilling that needs to be done in Alaska and on the Gulf Coast. Environmentalists are blocking millions of barrels of petroleum that would meet America’s long-term needs regardless of what happens in the Middle East.

Last year the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners provided geological evidence that the U.S. has more than 200 billion barrels of oil and 2,000 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that can be recovered affordably with today’s technology. That is roughly two-thirds of Saudi Arabia’s petroleum reserves. Between what oil is in Alaska, the Dakotas and the Gulf, plus what Canada is eager to sell, there is more than enough petroleum to make Middle East oil irrelevant.

Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton openly block domestic petroleum recovery while wringing their hands over the revolt in greater Arabia. The Administration continues to spend billions in aid to Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) producers like Saudi Arabia, which use some of that money to finance Islamic extremists whose aim is to kill Americans.

Mr. President: Our Future Is In Alaska, Not Arabia
Alaska and its Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) hold the key to our energy future. Billions of American barrels of crude lay untouched; locked away by Greens whose extremism matches that of many Muslims.

Thankfully the Greens are facing some opposition. In February, Lisa Murkowski, (R-Alaska), introduced two pieces of legislation to increase domestic oil production.

“Now is the time to develop our domestic oil reserves in the ANWR,” said Murkowski. “For far too long, we’ve kept resources under lock and key that could improve our energy security and create badly-needed jobs. There’s no excuse for continuing to pay foreign countries for resources we have here.”

The American Energy Independence and Security Act would provide the most efficient development of ANWR’s resources by allowing exploration and production within the coastal plain of ANWR.

The new legislation would require the Secretary of the Interior to lease at least 200,000 acres of the 1.5 million-acres within two years of its passage. Infrastructure—including all roads, airfields, drilling pads, pipelines and other facilities—would be restricted to 2,000 acres to minimize environmental impact on the region. Revenue from ANWR oil production would be divided between environmental mitigation and Federal deficit reduction.

The bill will try to make Greens happy. It would dedicate a portion of ANWR revenues to fund renewable and alternative energy development, wildlife and fishery habitat programs, energy conservation and low-income energy subsidies.

My expectation is that it will be flatly rejected, which is a travesty. It makes so much more sense to disturb some wildlife than it does to send our young men and women into combat in the Middle East.

George W. Bush and all of his apologists said we invaded Iraq because Saddam was a bad man. Was he any worse than Moammar Gadhafi? Probably not. Saddam did gas the Kurds, but Gadhafi has turned his tanks and guns on his own people. Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD) were nonsense.

It turned out Saddam didn’t have any, just as a lot of people in the State Department thought. Finally, if we really wanted to get every “bad guy” with a finger on real WMD, why don’t we invade North Korea? Because they don’t have oil.

Iraq’s invasion was ordered by George W. Bush and not Obama.

The fact is, I didn’t like that President’s Middle East policies either, or the doctrine that came down to the brain trust of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.

Obama’s Middle East policies are just as wrong-headed. I am in my 50s and I hope to have 20 years ahead of me. In that time solar shingles, electric trains and wind-turbines may revolutionize our way of life. But it won’t happen this decade. What we need is a President that will focus on domestic petroleum production. If he won’t, we will face the same gas lines I saw when I was a kid in college.

With Obama’s recovery already dead on arrival, the nation simply cannot endure a spike in oil prices. Yet the mess in the Middle East and the willful neglect regarding domestic oil drilling makes higher prices assured.

Action To Take
Look for oil prices to top $150 per barrel by autumn. Add to your energy equity positions, including Suncor Energy (NYSE, SU, $47).

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

 

PS—Finally, to my readers that point out that there are billions of barrels of oil in the Bakken Oil Basin in North Dakota, the truth is yes there are! However, let me caution you on three points:

  • Federal and state governments need to encourage exploration with further tax breaks.
  • The region will take years to come on-stream.
  • While it is a bonanza, the geology of the region will make it expensive to develop and produce using current technology.

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • s c

    America was put on this course back when old Ted (Kennedy) was positioning himself as an illegal immigration ‘reformer.’ He, of course, had NO plans
    for reforming illegal immigration. At the same time, Congress, in its retarded wisdom, determined that America did not need to have a greater refining capacity.
    If, somehow, America was to dip into its Strategic Reserve now, it would be very interesting to see how the oil would be processed and turned into gasoline. Does this involve magic?
    When you have a limited ability to refine oil, the idea of refineries working at 100% capacity is an exercise in futility – thanks to Congress and a progressive mentality that wants America destitute and not able to function without being dependent on FOREIGN (hostile) oil sources.
    Thanks for nothing, Washington. I suppose we could ‘farm out’ our oil, and refine it in Canada or Mexico, but our ‘leaders’ proved long ago that they can screw up anything. Thanks to Congress in the mid-’70s, America is screwed if we do, and screwed if we don’t.

    • wasadoc

      Some 13 yrs ago, then president Clinton, said “if we started drilling and building refineries today, it would be 10 years before they would be operational. Let’s see–that means about 3 yrs ago, they would have been in operation. Great foresight for “slick willie”. Add to that what Jimmy Carter did when he setup the energy dept. They were supposed to lead us away from foreign oil. Now let’s take a look at what they have accomplished—hmmm? Oh yes, they have managed to grow their yearly budget.

      • bob wire

        The opposition is great, there is some people that enjoy things as they are.

        • Mike in MI

          Bob – Like Jay Rockefeller’s (D-WV) oil interests and the Bush family of Texas’s oil and gas holdings and a few others who want to enslave us to their prurulent designs.

          • Mike in MI

            Could these things Mr. Myers has spoken of be called, “Giving aid and comfort to the enemy”?
            It certainly is assistng the endeavors of those who want to put us down – or under their thumbs (6′ under?).

          • Kate8

            Mike in MI – There is a reason why they refuse to drill for American oil.

            Back in the ’70s, a deal was struck with Saudi Arabia that American oil companies would set them up with oil rigs if they’d agree to make the dollar the oil currency.

            Part of that deal was that America would buy all of our oil, and would NOT drill for our own.

            So, despite all the rhetoric about becoming oil-independent, they never had any intention of making us so. They’ve come up with every excuse not to.

            It was just another part of the plan to build up America, and then send her crashing down hard.

            The NWO is here.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        wasadoc… Clinton should have done it then! And… what does the Energy Dept. do? Why are we sending billions to OPEC? This is a complicated mess. I don’t think Barry wants to stabilize or drill for oil because he wants to throw money into a rail system. A crisis with oil pricing will not go to waste!

        • Pat R

          Why are we sending Billions to OPEC? Because Bush and Rockefellor started OPEC. They are funding OPEC countries to protect their own Company. When most people hear the word “OPEC” they automatically think Arab countries, that’s what they want you to think.

          • busterggi

            Well the Bush family had to do something to keep getting rich once the nazis lost WWII and they couldn’t launder money for them anymore.

          • JC

            Besides the oil money, the Bush Cartel is in business with the BinLaden’s in the Carlyle Group…a munitions dealer.
            We’re being played like fiddle’s…and going to the mall!

        • Richard Pawley

          Obama is just one man and while he is convinced that he alone has the answers and while he may be the one history blames for the destruction of the United States, without the Democratic Socialists in congress (I refuse to capitalize the word congress) these laws couldn’t pass- whoops, I’m wrong on that. Just thought of the $105 THOUSAND MILLION that was hidden in last year’s 2,900 page health care bill to pay for it, that was just recently discovered. I guess the progressive socialists are not as dumb as some have believed after all. They knew once Americans found out what had been fostered upon them they would try to undue it. I’ve heard congress has two weeks to stop this secret funding or we will have to wait until next year when we can replace the rest of congress to stop this inflation causing disaster from coming about. However, we were warned. Pelosi warned us last year when she said, “just pass the bill and you will find out what is in it”. The lemming like 111th congress did just that and now we know. I heard one Democrat said, “It’s the law of the land, live with it!” As someone else in Washington has said, “Nothing happens there by accident!” Still it is congress that kicks the can down the road and is going to cause the coming great disaster by their total lack of common sense. Hasn’t anyone read how bad it was during the Great Depression? It is going to be far worse when the ‘spend till you drop congress’ gets their way. Is congress incapable of thinking on their own. “No man’s wallet is safe when congress is in session,” said Mark Twain. In both my books I called what is coming the Greater Depression. I said it was going to make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park (if you have no idea what that might mean let me just say that millions didn’t starve to death in the Great Depression). In both my books I quoted someone who was as inner-connected as it is possible to be in Washington who said, “Unless we have a comet hitting us or an alien invasion from space, IT will happen!” Now we can discuss the meaning of the word “IT” just as Clinton suggested we discuss the meaning of the word “IS’ over a decade ago, but by “IT” he meant the collapse of the dollar, the US economy, and I believe he had enough foresight to also mean the world economy. The USA is no longer the country it once was. Nearly 20 “boys” reportedly 14 to 27, raped an eleven year old girl and many are blaming the girl! I started to pass over the story but I wondered in which middle eastern country this happened. Was it the same one where the relatives of a pretty teenager tore off the ears and nose of teenage girl who ran away, probably because she didn’t want to be married off to someone over 50, but I was surprised that it was in Texas. I have six nieces and nephews there. Of course that is where a Muslim father killed his two teenage daughters because they went to the mall, and actually talked with boys! Of course is religion gave him the right to do that. Did you see In California the pretty 13 year old (who looked like a typical California girl) who ran away from home because she did not want to be forced into an arranged marriage in Pakistan where her father intended to take her (on a two month vacation from which she would disappear into a harem or something else and not return). One extreme or the other seems to be the order of the day, and in Mexico drug gangs have learned from their Middle Eastern connections to cut off the heads of their opponents as a means of fostering terror, and they think I would ever want to visit Mexico on vacation? About as much as I would want to go to Afghanistan on a hiking tour! Did you read about the fresh head they found last week in a Phoenix, Arizona apartment building? No, the USA is not what it used to be, and if we don’t wake up spiritually, and morally, very soon, we never will be again.

          ARE AMERICANS GOING TO WAKE UP? Some seem to be. I do not know if the father who killed his daughters was one of the tens of thousands of illegal Muslims who have come across the border through Mexico where some smuggling rings won’t even smuggle Hispanics anymore because the Arabs pay so much more. Many people believe that we are in the last days of life on this planet. I only know that we are in the last days of life as we have known it. I have been saying what congress is creating by their irresponsible spending is not going to be the end of the world but it will be for many. Maybe everyone will be to hungry to fight and kill. That would be something. Of course in Rhode Island, a cannibal is being let out of prison because he was not given the death penalty (to spare the family the pain of the trial years ago) and his time is up. His victim was five years old and was sexually molested first. “We need to have more compassion for people like this. He probably had a disturbed childhood” the PC crowd will say. In am surprised that he even survived prison. There was a time when he would not have. They even killed the priest in prison, the one who had molested many dozens of boys in Massachusetts, and that was only a few years ago. Of course, the written word of God does say, “Vengeance is mine! I will repay,” says the Lord. Still I hate to see this character let loose on society.

          Interesting that John Myers says gasoline could be $10 a gallon. Chapter 4 of my politically incorrect book, “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES and the Great Famine that Followed” is entitled “Gasoline or Milk, $10 a Gallon” and I wrote it two years ago. That won’t happen this year but it will happen. SOME IN CONGRESS WANT THIS TO HAPPEN SO WE WILL ALL WANT ELECTRIC CARS, but isn’t it interesting how the EPA won’t let any of the ten different vehicles popular in Europe, that get 70 to 85 mpg gallon, some of which can carry five people, using the cleanest diesels on earth, into this country? The best we can get here is the VW Jetta diesel that can get as much as 50 mpg. VW, even has an experimental two seater, the XL-1 that gets over 250 mpg but the EPA would absolutely hate that vehicle as it is way to efficient, even if most would not want to drive it. We do need to be concerned about the polluting of our planet but we need to be reasonable about it. Mercury and other pollutants have been detected on the west coast that have come all the way from China where they have built over 400 coal powered electric plants in the past few years, but we still buy from China and so does Europe and even Japan. Yes, the world is changing and it is soon going to change more than the majority can even imagine. Our scientists say that Los Angeles is over-due for the ‘big one.’ It did not happen last year as some of the experts at the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society thought it might and that is why I updated LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA my 2006 autobiography that warned about the danger of derivatives and told of the then coming stock market crash along with the usual murder, suicide, and kidnapping of an autobiography, and told why I am convinced that LA is relatively safe from the big one for three more years, until the summer of 2014. Sadly some of my sources are convinced that the dollar and our economy will not last that long. My hope is that gas and milk don’t GO OVER $10 a gallon but the psychologists tell me that the reason most people can’t believe this sort of thing can happen, and won’t do anything to prepare for it is because their minds simply cannot grasp something that has never happened in their memory. They even have a name for it. It’s called “the normalcy bias”. It’s why the damage was so great in 1938 when a hurricane hit Rhode Island where there had not been one in 100 years and almost no one believed the weather reports. Surely it would dissipate or go somewhere else. It did not and there was needless death. If the spending by the cities and the states and the federal government continues at anything like it’s present levels you had better teach your children and grandchildren all you know about gardening and farming because food will be a major problem sooner than the majority can imagine and decent water will not be far behind. However, none of this should come as a surprise to those who believe in good and evil, and in the beliefs of our founding fathers. They knew this nation would only last if it were governed by a just and moral people. We were once, and if we wake up, and reform our own lives, and then replace those in congress in 20 months who refuse to do what is right and only do what is expedient, we may have a chance. I certainly hope so. May God bless all who read this! Dum spiro spero!

        • Richard Pawley

          One of the reasons we are spending a billion a day on imported oil is as I pointed out in one of my books, is the fact that we have worked out a deal where they return a portion of that money to us by buying our bonds and then we have money to spend on everything without raising taxes. This started long ago when Obama was just a boy. The way he thinks can be explained by the fact that he was raised by communists, socialists, and Muslims. He is not the devil and he is just one man. While he may be the one history blames for the destruction of the United States, without the Democratic Socialists in congress (I refuse to capitalize the word congress) these laws couldn’t pass- whoops, I’m wrong on that. Just thought of the $105 THOUSAND MILLION that was hidden in last year’s 2,900 page health care bill to pay for it, that was just recently discovered. I guess the progressive socialists are not as dumb as some have believed after all. They knew once Americans found out what had been fostered upon them they would try to undue it. I’ve heard congress has two weeks to stop this secret funding or we will have to wait until next year when we can replace the rest of congress to stop this inflation causing disaster from coming about. It may well happen anyway because of all the money congress has squandered on everything from failing banks to singing cowboys. However, we were warned. Pelosi warned us last year when she said, “just pass the bill and you will find out what is in it”. The lemming like 111th congress did just that and now we know. I heard one Democrat said, “It’s the law of the land, live with it!” As someone else in Washington has said, “Nothing happens there by accident!” Still it is congress that kicks the can down the road and is going to cause the coming great disaster by their total lack of common sense. Hasn’t anyone read how bad it was during the Great Depression? It is going to be far worse when the ‘spend till you drop congress’ gets their way. Is congress incapable of thinking on their own. “No man’s wallet is safe when congress is in session,” said Mark Twain. In both my books I called what is coming the Greater Depression. I said it was going to make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park (if you have no idea what that might mean let me just say that millions didn’t starve to death in the Great Depression). In both my books I quoted someone who was as inner-connected as it is possible to be in Washington who said, “Unless we have a comet hitting us or an alien invasion from space, IT will happen!” Now we can discuss the meaning of the word “IT” just as Clinton suggested we discuss the meaning of the word “IS’ over a decade ago, but by “IT” he meant the collapse of the dollar, the US economy, and I believe he had enough foresight to also mean the world economy. The USA is no longer the country it once was. Nearly 20 “boys” reportedly 14 to 27, raped an eleven year old girl and many are blaming the girl! I started to pass over the story but I wondered in which middle eastern country this happened. Was it the same one where the relatives of a pretty teenager tore off her ears and nose because she ran away, probably because she didn’t want to be married off to someone over 50, but I was surprised that the gang rape happened in Texas. I have six nieces and nephews in Texas. Of course that is where a Muslim father killed his two teenage daughters because they went to the mall, and actually talked with boys! Of course his religion gave him the right to do that. Did you see In California the pretty 13 year old (who looked like a typical California girl) ran away from home because she did not want to be forced into an arranged marriage in Pakistan where her father intended to take her (on a two month vacation from which she would disappear into a harem or something else and not return). One extreme or the other seems to be the order of the day, and in Mexico drug gangs have learned from their Middle Eastern connections to cut off the heads of their opponents as a means of fostering terror, and they think I would ever want to visit there Mexico on vacation? About as much as I would want to go to Afghanistan on a hiking tour! Did you read about the fresh head they found last week in a Phoenix, Arizona apartment building? No, the USA is not what it used to be, and if we don’t wake up spiritually, and morally, very soon, we never will be again.

          ARE AMERICANS GOING TO WAKE UP? Some seem to be. I do not know if the father who killed his daughters was one of the tens of thousands of illegal Muslims who have come across the border through Mexico where some smuggling rings won’t even smuggle Hispanics anymore because the Arabs pay so much more. Many people believe that we are in the last days of life on this planet. I only know that we are in the last days of life as we have known it. I have been saying what congress is creating by their irresponsible spending is not going to be the end of the world but it will be for many. Maybe everyone will be to hungry to fight and kill. That would be something. Of course in Rhode Island, a cannibal is being let out of prison because he was not given the death penalty (to spare the family the pain of the trial years ago) and his time in prison is up. His victim was five years old and was sexually molested first. “We need to have more compassion for people like this. He probably had a disturbed childhood” the PC crowd will say. In am surprised that he even survived prison. There was a time when he would not have. They even killed the priest in prison, the one who had molested many dozens of boys in Massachusetts, and that was only a few years ago. Of course, the written word of God does say, “Vengeance is mine! I will repay,” says the Lord. Still I hate to see this character let loose on society.

          Interesting that John Myers says gasoline could be $10 a gallon. Chapter 4 of my politically incorrect book, “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES and the Great Famine that Followed” is entitled “Gasoline or Milk, $10 a Gallon” and I wrote it two years ago. That won’t happen this year but it will happen. SOME IN CONGRESS WANT THIS TO HAPPEN SO WE WILL ALL WANT ELECTRIC CARS, but isn’t it interesting how the EPA won’t let any of the ten different vehicles popular in Europe, that get 70 to 85 mpg gallon, some of which can carry five people, using the cleanest diesels on earth, into this country. The best we can get here is the VW Jetta diesel that can get as much as 50 mpg with careful driving. VW, even has an experimental two seater, the XL-1 that gets over 250 mpg but the EPA would absolutely hate that vehicle as it is way to efficient, even if most would not want to drive it. We do need to be concerned about the polluting of our planet but we need to be reasonable about it. Mercury and other pollutants have been detected on the west coast that have come all the way from China where they have built over 400 coal powered electric plants in the past few years, but we still buy from China and so does Europe and even Japan. Yes, the world is changing and it is soon going to change more than the majority can even imagine. Our scientists say that Los Angeles is over-due for the ‘big one.’ It did not happen last year as some of the experts at the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society thought it might and that is why I updated LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA my 2006 autobiography that warned about the danger of derivatives and told of the then coming stock market crash along with the usual murder, suicide, and kidnapping of an autobiography, and told why I am convinced that LA is relatively safe from the big one for three more years, until the summer of 2014. Sadly some of my sources are convinced that the dollar and our economy will not last that long. My hope is that gas and milk don’t GO OVER $10 a gallon but the psychologists tell me that the reason most people can’t believe this sort of thing can happen, and won’t do anything to prepare for it is because their minds simply cannot grasp something that has never happened in their memory. They even have a name for it. It’s called “the normalcy bias”. It’s why the damage was so great in 1938 when a hurricane hit Rhode Island where there had not been one in 100 years and almost no one believed the weather reports. Surely it would dissipate or go somewhere else. It did not and there was needless death. If the spending by the cities and the states and the federal government continues at anything like it’s present levels you had better teach your children and grandchildren all you know about gardening and farming because food will be a major problem sooner than the majority can imagine, and decent water will not be far behind. However, none of this should come as a surprise to those who believe in good and evil, and in the beliefs of our founding fathers. They knew this nation would only last if it were governed by a just and moral people. We were once, and if we wake up, and reform our own lives, and then replace those in congress in 20 months who refuse to do what is right and only do what is expedient, we may have a chance. I certainly hope so. May God bless all who read this! Dum Spiro Spero!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Richard,
            Please. No books written HERE!!!! Shorten your posts PLEASE!!!

      • Kinetic1

        wasadoc,
        Perhaps you have forgotten that Carter, in an attempt to lead the way and promote technology placed solar panels on the White House, only to have them removed by Reagan. You can’t blame our current situation on Carter and ignore the failure of later administrations to continue the push.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Kinetic1… We purchased a house that solar panels on it; they never worked, so when we had a new roof put on, we took them off and did not put them back up. Maybe that is why the ones at the White House were removed.

          • eddie47d

            Reagan killed the progress that could have been made so wise up Robin. There is oil in the USA but not the gusher you all dream about. We need alternatives and oil, not one or the other.

          • Jana

            Robin,
            That was a very good point.
            Not only has there NOT been more than one or two permits for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico since the moratorium, there has not been any new permits accepted for coal mines either.
            This administration is definitely holding back on us even using ANY of our own resources.
            All of the other administrations have had the same ability, to curb these permits, but since Obama has come into office they have been curbed big time. He is making good on his promise to CHANGE THINGS, and for the worse,definitely not for the better.

          • Bruce D.

            I bought an expensive set of solar panels years back. Turns out they were only expensive and well made on the outside. The inside rusted out after a few years while the outside stayed in perfect shape.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Excuse me Doc. The revelation of infrastructure time has well been known for several decades. This is NOT a great revelation from uncle Bill. Facts are that no new refineries have been built for 35 years, 15% have been decomissioned, and drilling has been limited by the Greenies for about as long. North America is worried about pollution while the rest of the world laughs at us. The real problem lies in the fact that MOST Americans have minimal forsight about most everything. We are a nation of procrastinators: Wait until the last minute to pay the bills, balance? the budget, find someone to vote for, plan for retirement, etc. Government is no different. Eat, drink, and be merry today, ignore the inevitable. When the muslims unite, they will control over 70% of the world’s oil….. and the price of gas, etc., and does anybody believe that the prices will go down?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Aix,
          Yup, I believe it will go down, course I believe in santa and that eddie is a true fiscal conservative!!!!! LOL!

    • Jovianus

      It’s not an “oil policy”, it’s a mixture of Energy policy and Middle East/foreign policy. Singularly, anything put forth by an outfit called National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners would be suspect as an organization packed with industry stooges. That’s not to say the data may be tainted, just looked upon with some bit of scepticism. What’s left out in this article are the issues associated with gthering the “oil reserves’ this org. cites. Issues such as water, geological issues, introducing polluants into almost pristine environments etc.

      Be that as it may, the decision is being made in the political arena in what’s more important. A nation energy independent from imports from far away lands, a nation moving into the 21st centruy and beyond…or one maintaining a dependence upon foreign oils and tied by a life juglar vein to erratic regimes sarificng democrcy of peoples for the need of energy resources?

      What Myers above states some answers of the critics of this adminisration tainting the picture when he wrote “Some have blamed President Barack Obama for inciting chaos in Egypt; once an American pillar in the region.”

      OK…just what was he to have done? Support a despotic regime increasing the hatred towards the US by the ovrwhelming number of ppeoples being pushed into radicalism because of despotic regimes? Same with Khaddfi…would everyone rather we get involved in another war for oil as we try to extracate ourselves from the first oil war brought to us by Bush in enriching his buds in the oil industry?

      Or let’s become the 21st centruy equivalent of having horse drawn grain processing facilities by maintaining an oil dependency. A dependency switched from the Middle East and governments to one deendent upon a select few companies with the money and resources to monopolize production. That’s intelligent?

      Or shall we encourage research and development into alternatives. Alternatives which are not easily monopolized, where competition can thrive to keep price down market place competitive?

      • rob

        obama is as stupid as u.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Jo, your words> ““Some have blamed President Barack Obama for inciting chaos in Egypt;

        Nah, it wasn’t him, it was a Google executive, Code Pink is in on it and of ….wait for it…George Soros, the weather underground….

        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2671663/posts

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          jo, and another link

          http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=260577

        • Mike in MI

          Angelwannabe – Poor Jovialanus, he somehow has failed – as is the habit of Obamaphiles – to recall how Magnificent-Exalted Leader in Perpetuity, O-pus Barackarama, the Soetoro has gone on world-wide jaunts to advertize his support for and intent to fast-track all attempts to bring to fruition the great muslim nightmare of world domination.
          He has bowwed and scraped his way through the nations assuring them we will not eforce any treaties ever set up by former presidents nor enforce any laws established to safeguard the land and people in the u.s.a. – except those who come in accross our southern border.
          I could recitethe litany but…I desist.
          Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and others might be calm and stable today but for Obama’s international organizin’ efforts.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Mike in Mich,
            jovi better watch it or he won’t get his check from Soreass this month!!

        • Jovianus

          Angel…that quote was a direct cut and paste from the article above.

          to me, anyone citing Obama as a “blame’ for the overthrow of Mubarek and the turmoil of the people attempting to overthrow depstic regimes in the ME…well, that is a very telling statement as to their value of freedom and liberty around the world.

          Obama played Egypt like a concert pianist…and to date we’re looking good. He’s also playing the Libya crisis well in my opinion.

          It’s a complex problem and he’s doing well in keeping our interests well guarded and not putting us in a situation where we are open for subsequent ramifications which may not bode well.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jo, I never said Bambi was “directly” involved, why would he be, when he has other individuals & organizations, that’ll do it for him?__ it keeps Obama’s nose clean, and the less he knows, the less he has to lie about.

          • Vigilant

            “Obama played Egypt like a concert pianist…and to date we’re looking good. He’s also playing the Libya crisis well in my opinion.”

            …A tone deaf pianist maybe. If you call being frozen in his tracks with no viable plan, or supporting the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood, then you and he have the wrong sheet music.

            “It’s a complex problem and he’s doing well in keeping our interests well guarded and not putting us in a situation where we are open for subsequent ramifications which may not bode well.”

            “…keeping our interests well guarded?” And exactly how will Muslim caliphates and Islamic “republics” guard our interests?

            You might want to depart from your normal practice and try substantiating your position with facts sometime. The truth will set you free.

      • eddie47d

        You are right Jovianus for Obama didn’t incite the over throw in Egypt as John Meyers is trying to imply. Just more trouble being stirred up to inflame the ridiculous. That Egypt situation has been a long time coming and everything else that is going on in the Middle East. It’s been a powder keg for decades so the blame makers are laughable at times. We also need to tread lightly with Libya unless we want another war and a country to babysit. Those who advocate invasion better sign up at the recruiting office. I do believe we should slip in humanitarian supplies ,especially food to keep the opposition to Gaddafi from collapsing. Beyond that let’s keep our nose out.

        • JC

          Stirring up the ridiculous?
          Well I guess you’d know all about THAT!
          Aren’t you the one who keeps yipping about these mythical Gun Show Loop Holes…to stir up contoversy?

          Still waiting for your proof on that one.

      • Aix Sponsa

        28 Dec. the former Shell Oil exec said that because of foreign policy the price of gas would be $5 gallon BY 2012. You think? Maybe the Myans were right. Life as we have known it will cease to exist.

      • Vigilant

        Jovi Anus,

        “would everyone rather we get involved in another war for oil as we try to extracate [sic] ourselves from the first oil war brought to us by Bush in enriching his buds in the oil industry?”

        You guys never quit spreading the myth, do you? Two inconvenient facts you have always been blind to, as follows:

        (1) The oil industry and GWB’S “buds” have not increased their profits from imports of Iraqi oil. Iraq still produces less oil than it did even before the Iran-Iraq war.

        (2) The $$$ from oil production under Saddam Hussein never went to help the people of Iraq. At least now there is a much greater chance it can be used to benefit the population at large.

    • bob wire

      Teddy reform was targeted at permitting more Irish into the US as it served us with the nursing shortage and Ireland was in the tank. As I understand it, the Arab, eastern Indian have enjoy access to this same door propped open.

      I’d like to see someone close the door, the flies are getting in.

      • Rob Jase

        By flies I take it you mean brown skinned people, not Irish.

        Racism must be kept up to date right?

        • Al Sieber

          It works both ways.

      • Vigilant

        bob wire,

        I would ask you to please check out http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20777 if you want an eye-opening account of the damage the Kennedys did to our immigration system in 1965.

        Had that act not passed, the demographics of this country would be far different than they are today.

    • Joey

      That may be true BUT Obama and the democrats have DONE MORE in the last 2 years to damage the US in EVERY WAY and DONE just the opposite of what the Constitution requires of them. There is NO REASON that we are not getting land or ocean oil. NONE. I have lived in Alaska and was there when the pipeline was put in. And Ocean oil is safe to get if they are forced to follow all the safety regs. (which was the only reason for the problem last summer).

    • Robert Barnes

      Why are you blaming Obama for what GW Bush has done. Obama isn’t an oil man but Bush is and so are all of his friends. Bush and Cheney have destroyed our economy for the sake of profit for themselves and their friends. I am tired of the dittoheads that spred BS and wag the dog.

      • Aix Sponsa

        Hey, grow up. Get informed. This schtuff started in the early 70s.

      • Aix Sponsa

        By the way, Yes it is all about the oil. Yes the “oil barons” understand the situation. If the muslim countries don’t stay friendly to the the “west”, and they unite and will control 70% of the known oil in the world and they will have the infidels over a barrel (no pun intended). What’s that old saying? “Hide and watch.”

        See if this makes any sense:
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/8369427/Oil-markets-brace-for-Saudi-rage-as-global-spare-capacity-wears-thin.html

      • JC

        Who’s in power right now Mr. Barnes?
        Who campaigned on “change” Mr. Barnes?
        Who was it that said he would build a better American Mr. Barnes?

        Oh yeah! It was that dipsh*! Kenyan in the White House who is laughing and fiddling while America burns.

      • Vigilant

        RB says, “Obama isn’t an oil man but Bush is and so are all of his friends.”

        I guess “snake oil” doesn’t qualify, in your walnut-sized brain.

    • Christopher

      Quote,It makes so much more sence to disturb some wildlife than it does to send our young men and women into combat in the middle east.So the young men and women are there for the oil and nothing to do with our freedom.

    • skip

      All of us know oil prices are controlled by hedging ala Wall Street – there is no reason whatsoever for prices to have surged so quickly after the Libya revolt – that should be months downstream. When are we going to wake up and realize the Kochs and big oil and Wall Street control prices. If there is/was a huge supply of oil in this country, the oil companies would oppose its development, since it would drive down the price of oil dramatically if the usual market forces were to be allowed to play out. They won’t, of course – oil prices and supply are manipulated by the entrenched oil and hedging interests.

      Buy the way, are any of you capable of communicating without using pejorative slurs and bigoted comments – why not try civil discourse for a change. No wonder the politics in this nation are screwed.

  • Kinetic1

    Follow the money. It’s an age old saying, but it makes sense. Follow the money. Why are oil prices so high? Why have they spiked over and over, even when production was solid and demand was low? In a word, Speculators. Men and women who have no business buying and selling oil. People who will never, could never take physical possession of any more crude than you or I. People who are making a fortune pretending to buy and sell a vital commodity in a process that subverts our system of supply and demand. They get rich and we pay the price.

    Obviously, those who are trading stand to profit, but who else benefits from their actions? Who else stands to gain from the skyrocketing oil prices? What about the politicians who seek to take full control of our government and the wealthy oil companies that support them? In a now all to familiar game of point the finger, conservative politicians and pundits alike tell us how the President want’s oil prices to rise so that the cost of green energy will seem less extreme. They rush for a spot on FOX news and other conservative media outlets to stir anger in those who are suffering through these hard times, warning us all that solar and wind power will never be our savior. They point to all the “facts”, while like a magician they direct our attention to what they want us to conclude: the only answer is to allow more drilling.

    We have huge deposits of oil that were once too expensive to get to, but now we have the technology and the cost of oil makes it worth while! We have natural gas deposits that we can reach with fracking, and while It is a potential ecological disaster, what choice do we have? The middle east is in turmoil and we need energy! Yep, It must be Obama putting in the fix to justify green energy. Who else stands to gain so much?

    Two oil men, along with their cronies ran the country for eight years. During that time they used a terrorist attack to justify a war in Iraq. A war that George H.W. Bush warned would destabilize the region when he refused to topple Sadam during operation Desert Storm. A war that sowed the seeds for what we are seeing now. Follow the money.

    • Jerry D

      Absolutely right! But as long as they can play with our lives to make money, it will continue. Essential products ought to be taken off the stock market altogether.

      • Joey

        That is right. ALL food, oil, medical and other products that are needed to live should be off the stock market period. That is something we should be forcing congress and the president to do.

      • skip

        Right on Jerry!

    • Bruce D.

      I must say you really really love Obama don’t you Kenetic. There is no one that does more backpedaling or makes more excuses than you do for Obama. That is saying something because you are competing again Jovianus to see who can suck up the most. Your both are really something. You always find someway to ignore the obvious and at the same time bring Bush along for the ride.

      • Jovianus

        Bruce…I bring up Bush II, and Reagan, as the core cause of the major problems and issues we face today. Both were, by any measure, disasters ranking one and two in the ranks of the worst suffered by this nation. Fcat is fact…just because they are blessedly gone, does not mean the problems and rot they gave us is gone.

        As for apolgoetic for this admin. I’d disagree as I have criticized this admin on some issues…and realize on others that the Party of No has obstructed implementation of many policies which would have gone a long ways in moving us forward.

        You’re a Hobbsian…I’m not.

        • Bruce D.

          I have never heard the “party of no” say no to drilling for oil or lowering taxes. Don’t deny you suck up. It couldn’t be more obvious.

          • Jovianus

            We agree. I haven’t heard the party of No wanting to deny anything to the wealthy or Big Corporations, foreign and domestic. They’re bought and paid for by those entities. Which is why the Party of No wants us to pay more so those entities continue to get a free ride on our dime.

          • Bruce D.

            It sounds like you are talking about Obama and GE. If Al Gore had not been made to look foolish we would of had Cap and Trade and he would have been the first Green Energy billionaire. Imagine the kick backs on that rising out of high energy costs.

          • eddie47d

            Bruce; You make too many assumptions about Obama so you can stack the “facts” against him. Bring out some solid information instead of inflamed hyperbole. The right uses term like Messiah to describe Obama but we never hear it used by the left so who are you really fooling?

          • JeffH

            Bruce D.,
            eddie says “Bring out some solid information instead of inflamed hyperbole.” ROFLMAO…eddie asking for solid information? What’s he gonna do with it? Burn it and pretend it never existed! Still LMAO!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Good comeback JeffH!

            eddie47d, whats the difference if we provide links or other info, of that we believe to be true, You, our Resident Liberals don’t believe it anyway, you discount it, as something we happen to make up!__and we can agrue all day lonng about what you think, and what I think, but nothing will change. The Liberals & New Agers think Socialism is the wave of the future while using someones elses money, and I(and obviously a lot of others on this site) happen to believe, in the individual creating they’re own wealth for themselves and they’re families___ and NO ONE has a right to it, unless willfully given by the person that created it.
            We can and have Governed ourselves, but more and more the oppertunities for it are slipping away, “The Party of NO” wants to perserve it!(Except for the 81 Socialists in Congress)

          • eddie47d

            Look who showed up, Mr and Mrs wise azz. I see you have Angel fooled Jeff.

          • Bruce D.

            Before I do what you ask Eddie make a list of things you do not like about Obama so I know I am not wasting my time on an irresponsibly ideologue.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            March 9, 2011 at 1:01 pm
            … The right uses term like Messiah to describe Obama but we never hear it used by the left so who are you really fooling?

            ————————————————————–

            Let’s see, 100,000 Obamatons in Lincoln Park Illinois “chanting”,
            yes we can yes we can yes we can…like worshippers at the altar of “the one”. I’d say it resembled a gathering of Nazi’s but they aren’t as bright as the Nazi’s were.

        • Bruce D.

          Sen. Jim Inhofe tells Newsmax that the Obama administration is “trying to kill oil and gas” by refusing to allow the United States to exploit its abundant natural resources in an effort to drive the country toward green energy.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          JO… I think the real problems our nation will face will be from the current administration down the road. No president or Congress is going to be perfect. But, this administration is hell-bent on destroying our great land. If you can’t see that, then you are either blind or not looking.

        • Joey

          AND YOUR ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG. Regan got things going and reduced Gov.
          Bush was NOT the cause the Democrats who were in the Majority for at least 1/4-1/2 of his presidency sat behind closed doors to figure out how to take the White House (and look at the probably ILLEGAL communist that is in that office NOW) None of the people in congress did anything to protect the people in the gas or home markets. But the Democrats only made noise for the war but did and said NOTHING on ANYTHING else and the very Tragic thing is that way too many people were like you and very very WRONGLY blamed Bush for the problems when it was mostly the democrats that caused the problems on purpose. And I will tell you that while Bush did start the Iraq war after Sadam and muslims waged war on us on our soil. The Democrats CAUSED and ARE TO BLAME for probably half the deaths of AMERICAN SOLDIERS due to them fighting the president at every turn on just funding and getting MORE troops there. THEY were the cause due to our military running on a skeleton crew and not having the numbers to detour attacks or allow them to BE rested and alert as they should have been. The LACK of numbers caused MORE attacks and deaths of americans. That is what REALLY happened.

          • Jovianus

            AND YOUR ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG. Regan got things going and reduced Gov.<— Joey

            I didn't go and paste all the points you were deceiving yourself with. Suffice it to the beginning and we'll let the rest go as being erroneous. FYI…I lived in DC during Reagan Administration when he was hell bent on destroying the Middle Class and violating not only the law of the land but the Constitution as well.

            Those "rduction in government" layoffs he so highly took credit for? What a facre. He only laid off from those agencies which were for the protection of our resources and our standards of living and protection…and other agencies wre hiring those laid off as fast as they were laid off.

            Government GREW under Reagan….and he raised taxes 6-8 years…..alomst all were taxes increases on the Middle Class.

            So … you want me to dissect your other points you threw out without knowing the facts on them?

        • Aix Sponsa

          Gosh, what a bunch of whiney pisspots on this thread. Grow up.

      • Kinetic1

        Bruce,
        Were you to read my past posts you would see that I can and have been critical of President Obama in the past, but I will also defend him when I feel it is warranted. In this case I am simply pointing to an obvious fact: The right, without any proof have asserted that Obama has constructed this oil crisis to promote his Green agenda, but they ignore (or avoid) the fact that those who stand to make the most are the traditional energy producers. Compare the profits of the Green enterprises to the astronomical profits in the oil industry and tell me I’m wrong.

        As to Bush, what do you expect in a discussion about oil? Perhaps you can recall when Bush said President Clinton “must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices.” Yes, Bush was an oil man who was going to lead us to lower oil prices. During Clinton’s term, the avg. price for a gallon of unleaded regular rose a total of 38%. Under Bush it climbed 89%. Bush also supported the claim that Iraqi oil would pay for our invasion! We all know how that worked out.

        You can make all the noise you want about how unjustly those of us on the left blame Bush for our nations problems, but you can’t escape the fact that his administration is responsible for a lot of our trouble. He can’t be held responsible for every misstep Obama makes, but neither can he be excused when he is to blame for setting things in motion.

        • Bruce D.

          I would be interested in what exactly you disagree with Obama on. I am not a fan of Bush because he was very progressive when it came to spending, I did not like Medicaid or the Patriot Act. As far as oil prices, it is silly to blame him for not drilling for oil in America and lowering prices. That is one of those obvious things you do not want to look at.

          • Jovianus

            Couple of areas for you Bruce…though the question was not directed to me. Some of the areas I disagree with the Admin on are:

            1. He caved in on the Public Option
            2. He gave in on the special tax status of the wealthy in the extension of the tax cuts in December
            3. He hasn’t hammered the banks as hard as I’d of liked. Not forcing relief from the restriction of credit, not forcing (thorugh GSE purchases) relief from the tightening mortgage restrictions.
            4. Not spending more Stimulus on infrastructure rebuilding at a faster rate
            5. Not closing business tax loopholes for shipping jobs overseas
            6. Not getting the Oil Depletion Allowance killed off
            7. Not taking on Big Ag and the subsidies
            8. Not shutting Gitmo completely
            9. Ceding the passage of any part of the unPatriotic Act
            10. Not taking more of a seperation stance on Reid and Pelosi and thus being tied to them .. even though he essentially let them hang themselves

            There’s more…but there’s 10 for you to digest…

          • Bruce D.

            I apprecite your honesty. I agree with five and maybe six of those things if looked at in the right way.

        • Bruce D.

          Also Kinetic, Bush wanted to make illegals aliens legal which I am against. I will let history decide if Iraq was a good idea or not. I like so many Democrats at that time did not object to it. Obviously it hurt America on a temporary basis but on the other hand I am glad the Saddam Hussein and his two sons are dead. Also it does seem to be encouraging democracy in the middle east in case you haven’t noticed. So again where is your list on Obama.

          • Kinetic1

            Bruce,
            Sorry for not posting sooner, but the kids come first.
            Jovianus’ list covered most of what I would have said, but left out one big issue for me. When the health care bill was first considered, public opinion was leaning in favor of the president, but he was determined to bring Republicans over to his side. Despite the rhetoric thrown around these days, Obama tried and tried to come up with concessions to please the Republicans. At the time, Jon Kyl as much as said the the Republicans would vote against the bill no matter what concessions were made, yet Obama kept at it. He kept at it so long that the Republicans and their talking heads were given ample time and opportunity to turn opinion and poison even the most positive aspects of the bill. That attitude, that weakness, that failure to see the strategy being used against him may be my biggest complaint.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    I think this whole oil spike/crisis has been created, by a combination of stockholder fear and “Another”_ “Never let a Good Crisis go to Waste” ploy. As a Teenager in the 70′s, I remember vividly the “Odd and Even license plate day’s, to get in line for gas”. It’s about Control and money!
    I think the oil giants, wanna recoup some of they’re losses in the Gulf oil spill, and there’s enough of “other” Crisis’s going on, both here on US soil and the Middle East, so what’s one more Crisis!

    • Al Sieber

      I think it’s a combination of price gouging, speculation, and dollar devaluation.

      • bob wire

        It’s my belief that you both are correct. Speculators can make leveraged buys with only a 10% down.

        This leveraging of 10 to 1 needs adjustment.

        It’s just another attack on the American Economy lead by Wall Street.

        Why do we allow this is what I’d like to understand.

        Crude needs to be valued high but the profit needs to be captured by people that are in the industry and serving American interest.

        • DaveH

          Why speculation? This should answer your question, Bob:
          http://mises.org/daily/2399

          • Al Sieber

            You’re right Dave thanks for the link. we could be in the early stages of hyperinflation, gold at $1434.20, and silver $36.28 this am. silver headed towards $50 a oz. then $75….

          • Jovianus

            Jeesus Dave H … could you have sent a more waste of time link? I doubt it …

          • DaveH

            You can lead a donkey to water, but you can’t make him drink.

          • Kinetic1

            DaveH,
            This article, as I read it only serves to strengthen my point. Futures make good sense to those directly involved, but are disastrous when outsiders are allowed to manipulate the market. Using their airline scenario, the airline benefits from knowing it’s future oil costs. They may end up paying too much if their agreed upon price is too high, but at least they were able to plan based on fixed costs. So too does the oil company benefit from knowing, with some amount of certainty the future demands for their product. But when you introduce traders who’s only goal is to profit from the future transactions of others, you create a scenario where individuals with no interest in either the airline or the oil company are encouraged to artificially inflate or deflate the cost. The article explains how the win of one side is not necessarily the loss of the other due to the advantage of predictability, but ignores the negation of that effect when an outsider seeks to manipulate the scenario.

          • DaveH

            Kinetic,
            If they were betting against the market without good foundation, most likely they will lose their butts later when the market corrects its excesses.
            Imagine, for instance, they bid oil up to $200/barrel. Ignore that the Federal Reserve is weakening our money by creating excess. When the “greedy” Oil Companies start drilling more to take advantage of those high prices, more supply comes on the market, the price goes down, and the speculators lose. Of course, I have greatly simplified the scenario to make my point. In reality, the oil executives would most likely know that the prices are artificially high and temper their enthusiasm. And most of the speculators aren’t so dumb as to price the future oil artificially high in the first place. Remember these are people putting Big Money at risk. Unlike Liberals voting for more Government which they don’t have to pay for, the speculators actually have skin in the game.

          • eddie47d

            Sure they have skin in the game and are as reckless as ever. Wall Street gambles on oil pricing just like they did with the housing market. That didn’t work out too well and certainly not in our economy’s favor.

          • DaveH

            Why don’t you get some education on that, Eddie? Thomas Sowell has written a book called “The Housing Boom and Bust” to explain the real problems. You can check out a free copy from your Library.

          • eddie47d

            Still doesn’t change what I said.

        • Al Sieber

          b. wire, our economy isn’t designed to run on high fuel prices, real soon the average person will be going to work just to buy fuel to go to work the next day, and barely able to afford food and shelter, until he can’t afford to go to work. I only have 5 employees and pay them well, also they stay on the job site.

          • bob wire

            This is very true, so something must change

          • DaveH

            Al,
            It isn’t the inflated price of oil that is ruining our economy. It is Big Government spending 40% of our Gross Domestic Product and the Federal Reserve creating money like it’s going out of style that are ruining our economy.

          • Al Sieber

            I know Dave, they keep printing up more Fed. Notes until we become like the Weimar Republic.

      • DaveH

        Mostly dollar devaluation due to excess money creation by the Federal Reserve.
        It has always struck me as odd that people will tolerate paying 50 cents for a 12 ounce can of Coke (that’s over $5 a gallon), but through a hissy fit when gasoline goes over $3 a gallon. Compare the production process for the two — one a can of flavored, carbonated sugar-water, the other acquired by chancy exploration, drilling, and refining.
        I, for one, am thankful to the oil companies for doing all that work to supply us with fuel for our hundreds of millions of vehicles, and on top of that having to suffer constant criticism for their every move from ungrateful Liberals.

        • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

          People also do not drink 20 gallons of coke a day either.

          • DaveH

            Sounds like you need to cut back on your driving. Go Green.

          • DaveH

            All kidding aside, Linda, we are talking about relative costs. How much you consume has nothing to do with it. In fact, considering the laws of supply and demand, the more you consume, the higher the product price would trend.

          • DaveH

            If the Liberals want something to complain about, how about the price of milk? It costs almost as much as a gallon of gasoline, a large portion of whose cost is due to taxes. And milk producers not only aren’t saddled with the taxes that gasoline is, but they are actually subsidized with taxpayer money.

          • DaveH

            For those who whine about the high cost of gasoline. Meanwhile our government just keeps on spending:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ocVj6UWiDI

        • eddie47d

          Here we go again with the ungrateful liberals nonsense. We attack our dependency on oil and our oil addiction. It’s killing us and you play the liberal blame game. Join the search for more oil AND alternatives. We are 50 years late and more than a dollar short. ANWR will only offer a six month supply of oil and massive costs to retrieve that oil. Will it be worth it? Our Parks are National treasures and should be protected. I don’t like the idea but am willing to listen if the impact is truly safe and responsible in protecting this beautiful area and for the caribou herds.

          • DaveH

            When is the last time you cavorted in the Artic National Wildlife Reserve, Eddie? And the Alaskans, whose state it is in, are for the oil drilling.

          • DaveH

            I guess I just don’t like parasites, Eddie. I don’t like bacteria. I don’t like viruses. I don’t like Trichinella worms. I don’t like leeches. I don’t like Liberals.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. You are giving Libertarians a bad name with your nasty behavior and loose lips.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            March 9, 2011 at 1:25 pm
            Here we go again with the ungrateful liberals nonsense. We attack our dependency on oil and our oil addiction. It’s killing us and you play the liberal blame game.

            How is it killing us eddie?
            And the Caribou herds are doing just fine.

            Central Arctic caribou herd thrives, population at record high
            The Alaska Department of Fish and Game has reported that the Central Arctic caribou herd, which occupies summer ranges that include the Prudhoe Bay and Kuparuk oil fields, grew sharply in numbers between 2002 and 2008. The herd included approximately 67,000 animals in summer 2008, compared to 32,000 in 2002. Read the whole article on the Central Arctic caribou herd reaching record population levels.

            http://www.anwr.org/Headlines/Central-Arctic-caribou-herd-thrives-population-at-record-high.php

    • Keith

      There is a disconnect between the perception of oil company “losses”, one company lost money in the gulf spill, not all big oil companies.

      Gasoline is a byproduct (to a degree) of oil refining, the real money is in exotic chemicals used in a thousand other industries, products these industries can’t do without.

      The government could set a $2.00 a gallon cap price and oil companies would still post high quarterly profits. I still can’t get a republican to tell me why gas prices “need” to go up when oil companies are posting huge quarterly profits, then their profits go even higher than before as a direct result. This is the absolute proof that prices do not need to go up.

      This country was recently brought to it’s knees by high gasoline prices (end of Bush’s era), they came down as Obama took office, and they are going back up now that we have a republican congress. Oil companies know that regulation will not happen on republican’s watch, it has happened before on Democratic administrations.

      • Dale on the left coast

        What caused the price of oil to go down during the last spike? Why Bush announced opening up vast areas in Nevada, Utah and Alaska for exploration and drilling. Immediately the prices started to drop . . . and because of the global recession, caused by dimmicraps free mortgages, the price dropped to Fifty dollars a barrel.
        Of course the green-loon Obumma shut off this program once he got into office, plus closing down the Gulf. Did you know that several of the rigs that left the Gulf went to Brazil to drill for George S . . . who owns shares in Petrobras. Nothin to see here folks!!!

        • Jovianus

          Just that one statement about mortgages says it all. That you have no clue …

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jo That may very well be, but he’s Dead on with the rest of it!!!

      • Billy

        Keith,
        You need to consider that taxes on fuel are based on the price of the fuel IE $3 per gallon of fuel equate to +- $2 in taxes IE road tax, fuel tax etc. Same as with cigarettes, a pack of cigarettes is actually around $.50 but with taxes they are now around $5 plus, the government is ripping us off not the oil or tobacoo companies. Look at the amount of taxes levied on fuel next time you fill your vehicle.

        • Vigilant

          Not quite true, Billy. Federal Excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, it’s not based on the price. Federal, state and local taxes tack on an average of 50 cents per gallon of gasoline at the pump.

          Some relief could be experienced, temporarily at least, if those taxes were waived during this crisis.

  • http://? jacob

    Gentlemen :

    Then what in the hell is a government for ??

    To parasite us while playing at HOOF IN MOUTH ??

    Am I the one that has to bring oil prices down by whatever means
    available or what in the hell was it voted in to begin with ??

    I see the Republicans we sent to Congress are playing footsies
    with the Democraps, as they are not sweating bullets to fill
    their car’s tanks either…while playing with the daisy whether
    to dump the oil reserve on the market and drown the alleged speculators ??

    Or does it call for a NASA sage to come to this conclusion ??

    How about telling the White House tennant in unmistakeable words
    to either shape up or ship out ??

    • Jovianus

      How about the President is meeting a wall of resistance in revamping energy policy away from Big Oil and more towards a 21st century modern economy? One only has to look at who apologized to BP last year and was rewarded by charing the energy committee in the House. Here’s a hint: He has a BIG “R” signifying his political party … aka the “Party of No”. Bought, paid for, and controlled by Big Oil.

    • DaveH

      And that “parasite” costs us 40% of our GDP each year.

      • DaveH

        That’s about $6 Trillion a year ($20,000/year for each man, woman, and child) for all our Governments (Federal, State, and local). And that doesn’t even count the lost productivity as a result of their meddling in the economy.

        • DaveH

          End this gouging — Vote Libertarian!
          http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • Keith

          I’m sure you think wallstreet and banking industries are just fine the way they are, right? It’s okay to let them strip off retirement funds without any regulation whatsoever, right?

          No, we need a whole lot of aggressive regulation on several industries that are stripping off the people’s money.

          Figure out what “follow the money” means, it’s more than rhetoric. In a balanced free trade society everyone thrives. When working people aren’t making it the balance has to be looked at, if those at the top are getting stupid rich while the workers are not doing well too much is going to those at the top and a balance correction needs to take place. Call it redistributing the wealth if you will, but the amount going to the working person is wrong.

          • DaveH

            Give me a break. You’ve had your Big Government regulators for at least 80 years. Why are we still having Economic problems with all that regulation? Because Government doesn’t create wealth, it consumes it. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows. You want less corruption? Put the consumer back in charge of his own purchases and investments. Yes, the Government should punish fraudulent operators (through the courts). No, it shouldn’t make the honest operators jump through a plethora of hoops.
            I don’t know where the Liberals get their idea that more regulation creates a better economy. Experience has proved otherwise throughout history. Study these countries ranked from least regulated to most regulated and tell me that Big Government is the solution:
            http://heritage.org/index/Ranking

          • eddie47d

            Give me a break; The lack of regulations have led to enormous problems especially in the housing industry. I do understand that regulation can stiffle some businesses but let’s keep it fair and honest.

          • Jovianus

            DaveH…so you’re saying that over regulation caused the latest economic fiasco? Seriously? You’re joking right?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            DaveH, AGREED!__Tax/Regulation, EPA & Unions is what’s driven industry & manufacturing off shore in the first place. 21 plants in our area alone in 35 years closed down because of the above, and I have ALL of the newspaper articles to prove it, because I researched it!!!___It names names, the why’s, and where to’s!!!

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            March 9, 2011 at 1:36 pm
            Give me a break; The lack of regulations have led to enormous problems especially in the housing industry. I do understand that regulation can stiffle some businesses but let’s keep it fair and honest.

            Are you sure you don’r mean a “complete lack of a justice system” in this country, has lead us to enormous problems in every area of the economy?

            Dave’s right we already have too much government and no where near enough justice. And you liberal / commie loons sure as hell don’t have the answer.

  • http://none Floyd Hardee

    Why can’t those who want clean air, clean rivers, green forest, and a pristine land have both the aforementioned and energy independence? It is because neither side will sit down and discuss ways to achieve both. We do need to drill for more oil off shore and on shore, but with more stringent protective measures in place to prevent a disaster or to better cope with the possibility of one occurring and the rapid clean up of same. Oil companies in order to sell their products across the land should be required to meet these obligations as well as buy into other green energy programs. They should buy up many struggling biodiesel or bio fuels companies and use their products and promote their products as well as their own. They need to buy into solar energy, wind energy, hydro electric, nuclear energy, battery driven automotive vehicles,and magnetic energy powered devices, or vehicles. Our government should require them to participate in these programs which will ensure the development of a future replacement for fossil fuel.They need to make these companies and projects a part of their company so they will actively seek to improve them and make them clean as well as profitable.

    The bottom line is our congressional leaders need to sit down with leaders of both sides of this issue and encourage them to lay out an acceptable path to accomplish what I have just pointed out in an orderly way over the next twenty years and on beyond that.

    Thanks for taking time to read my suggestive guidance on this matter, Words Hardee.

    • Bruce D.

      I do not think you understand that environmentalists do not want the drilling of oil under any condition. As is stated above they are waiting with lawsuits for anyone who makes any attempt to drill for oil. It is about having no oil, not about having safe oil.

      • 45caliber

        Exactly.

        • eddie47d

          They are only protecting the environment we live in. That is why they are called environmentalists. We can enjoy our wealth of resources without plundering the landscape. Too many big companies have left the countryside in ruin and left the taxpayer with the cleanup bill. The surviving companies should be more aware of creating damages that ruin our water supplies and stream blockage. With the oil companies that would mostly be ground damages or oil spills on the water. There is no need for lawsuit’s if they conduct business for the betterment of all.

          • 45caliber

            Yes they did – thirty years ago. We now have laws and enforcement to ensure they don’t now. Nothing was said about doing away with those laws if we allowed the drilling.

    • 45caliber

      Floyd:

      The oil companies are MORE than happy to buy up all those biofuels, etc. But then they stop using it so they can sell their oil. In fact, I’ve ridden in an electric car (it was a test car for a company) that got 65 mph without a problem even in mountains and had over a 300 mile range between charges. It used 6 standard car batteries that had to be replaced every year and it used $12.50 a month of electricity (at 1969 prices) to keep them charged. GM bought them out. Now they say that the best a total electric car can do is 45 mph and a 50 mile range. Further, they must have some special batteries that cost far more than standard batteries do.

      • Kinetic1

        45,
        I agree with you on some points, but we need to keep in mind that if we are required to replace 6 std. car batteries every year, the ecological toll would be huge. Developing new batteries that can do the same job but last 10 times or more longer will work out in the long run.

        A few other thoughts;

        1) The new Nissan leaf can go 100 miles on a charge and has a top speed of 90 mph and a zero to 60 time around 8 sec. I could also point to the Tesla, but they are so exotic that it’s not worth the time. Either way, real alternatives to gas do exist.

        2) Chevy’s new VOLT is something akin to a car I read about back in the 80s, but more complicated than it needs to be. The vehicle I read about was an electric VW with a small diesal generator that ran at a constant rate provide electricity for both running the motor and charging the batteries. It used very little fuel and was great for commuting. I’m not sure why no one is going in this direction.

        3) There’s lots of talk about limited range, but little recognition of the fact that, as a second car range is of little importance. My wife has a long commute. Using public transportation, it takes almost 90 minutes for her to get to work. She could cut her time in half by driving a more direct route, and her total round trip distance would be less than 75 miles. Therefore, even with he above avg. commute a 100 mile range would be plenty. If her garage had a charging station, she’d have no worries at all! And how about those who are house spouses or work from home? Dropping the kids off at school and running some errands rarely takes us 100 miles a day.

        • 45caliber

          The standard batteries are really not a problem. Ever heard of recycle? The lead, etc. can be reused for more new batteries.

          There are some electrics coming out that may be of use. And I agree … for a second car long ranges are not generally important. I drive 36 miles one way to work a day but my wife seldom goes more than 10 miles from home. They are way too expensive at the moment though for their use.

          I know the car you mean about using a small oil fuel engine to recharge. If I remember correctly it was basically a fully electric vehicle with the small engine just to provide electicity. Further it got about 150 mpg, far more than now. And I agree; why don’t they make and sell one?

          Further I know that there have been some inventions that will increase gas mileage. At least one would double it. All are owned by oil companies who bought them from the inventers. And none are used because doubling the gas milage of cars would cut the fuel taxes collected by the government in half. They don’t want to do that.

          But there is hope as far as the government is concerned. They are looking seriously at creating a “road tax”. Your GPS would send your milage to various collection points around the country and you would be billed a road tax based on how many miles you drove that month. This is what they are considering so they can tax electric cars, etc. However I don’t forsee the fuel tax going away simply because they would have the road tax. They’d get more money by collecting both.

    • Don

      The problem is Floyd, we don’t need more gov. intervention in are lives, we need less !!!!

      • Don

        Sorry,,, i ment OUR lives, me bad !!!

      • Kinetic1

        Don,
        Such blanket statements rarely ring true. I agree that we should abolish the Patriot act. There are also regulations against natural foods and drugs tat serve only to benefit the large agricultural and drug corporations that “donated” to see them enacted. On the other hand, it foolish to believe that corporations will always do what is best for their consumers when profits are at risk. How many times do we need to hear about Ford Explorers rolling over or Pintos exploding on impact before we see that there needs to be some oversight. What we need is balanced regulation and an end to corporate lobbying.

        • Dale on the left coast

          “Ford Explorers rolling over or Pintos exploding on impact”
          Exploreres had bad tires . . . the Rollover king SUV was the Toyota Forerunner. Exploding Pintos . . . a handfull, but the myth lives. Many vehicles back in the day had similar gas tanks and had collision induced fires . . . even asian cars. While many thousands of CK pickups with outboard gas tanks exploded and killed many. You just don’t know about reality Kin . . .

          • Kinetic1

            Dale,
            I picked two of many out of the hat. Not because they were the worst, just as examples. The point is not whether or not Ford designed a bad SUV or Firestone made bad tires, the point is they knew there was a problem and did nothing about it. Report after report shows documents where Ford execs looked at the cost of a recall, weighed it against the court costs for damage and wrongful death cases and chose what they saw as the cheeper option. Sometimes we need government oversight to prevent corporations from making decisions like this.

            Whenever someone tells me that businesses will do the right thing because it is in their best interest, I tell them to consider this report on Chevy;
            “On January 19, 2001, a jury awarded $15 million to a young man who suffered quadriplegia when his S-10 Blazer rolled over and the roof crushed in. At the trial, the plaintiffs introduced evidence that General Motors decided against partially strengthening the roof on its 1992 S-10 Blazer because it would cost $9.00 in metal and its factory would need to be retooled.”

            As for who’s SUV is the worst, it depends on the parameters you choose. The pre’96 4Runner was known to roll at speeds as low as 40mph during evasive maneuvers, but that is stellar when compared to the Explorer, which rolled at only 25mph. Even as late as 2001 the Explorer was rated at only 2stars for rollover resistance (300% more likely to roll over than a 5 star rated vehicle.) On the other hand, the 4Runner had a flawed roof design that made it more deadly when it did roll, so maybe propensity is not as bad as outcome, but neither is good. Of course that’s just a comparison of the two. According to test labs, to find the worst we have to return to our good friends at GM and their partners at Suzuki.

            “The Geo Tracker had the worst rollover rate of any vehicle according to an examination of accident data on 200 vehicles by Failure Analysis Associates. That study found that the Geo Tracker rolled over six times more frequently than the average vehicle. The Geo Tracker may be more prone to rollover than any vehicle manufactured in the past 20 years.”

            As for the Pinto, I have read about it not being any worse than any other car of the period, but I have read even more about how bad it really was. In 1997, Mother Jones magazine wrote,

            “This scenario is no news to Ford. Internal company documents in our possession show that Ford has crash-tested the Pinto at a top-secret site more than 40 times and that every test made at over 25 mph without special structural alteration of the car has resulted in a ruptured fuel tank. Despite this, Ford officials denied under oath having crash-tested the Pinto.”

            Were other cars so prone to tank failure? Did other companies do as much to cover up this issue as Ford? If so, it only proves my point. Oversight is needed. If your point was to defend American auto manufacturers, you needn’t. As I said, I was not picking on the worst, just the first I thought of. If you just felt the need to show off your knowledge of rollovers…. whatever.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Nothing on the planet will make Obama and his “elitist bosses” happier than to see oil above $ 200-00 a barrel. Put that to him with my compliments and see what he says. The guy is a con of some note and the Americans fell for his rhetoric hook, line and sinker. Worst is that he will serve a second term. Who else is going to buy the Presidency with billions of dollars. That is correct, I said he bought the position and I say he will buy it again and the American folks will foot the bill. Talk about throwing good money after bad! Maybe we should all be asking who is worse – Obama or Gadaffi? the brothers.

    • 45caliber

      I’ve heard that he plans to have a MINIMUM campaign funding of $1 billion for the next election. The mayor of NY, if he runs for President, states that he will use $1 billion also. The price of the Presidency is going up.

      • Keith

        Where did you hear that, on FOX “news”?

      • Kinetic1

        45,
        All the more reason for publicly financed elections. Those billions of dollars go to campaign advisors, professional fund raisers, television, radio and print. Limit a candidate’s face time to debates on PBS and see how much cheeper, and honest things become.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. In fact, I’d suggest that each candidate be given $1 million. If they use a penny more, they are off the list and cannot get back on. If someone else runs a politican ad for or against them, the person pays that million dollars in fines.

          We’d not only get a fairer campaign with no one able to buy the election, but we’d also get a lot less ads on radio and television.

          • eddie47d

            That is something to think about Caliber.

      • Dale on the left coast

        The US has the best president that George Soros could buy . . . good luck with that . . .

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    I believe with American know how and can do attitude we are capable of drilling and pumping oil and gas much much sooner than the “establishment” would let us believe. What drags it on and on is the “environmental” impact studies and regulations. We also need a few more refineries to handle the processing. I’ve read during the Texas heyday of oil, if the driller was in the right spot, they would have oil gushing in a week. I don’t remember any major environmental disaster occurring during those early Texas years.

    • Keith

      The whole concept of drilling for more oil has it’s roots in gendering public support so oil companies can get more money from the government subsidizing “exploration and drilling”. A shortage is being manufactured that has nothing to do with reality. Oil wells stand capped, refineries are shut down and operating at lower production than they are capable of. All this is waiting on higher prices and government funding that is not necessary.

      There is a balance that needs to be maintained with oil production that has to do with the other chemicals and byproducts of oil refining. Reduce gasoline consumption too much and there is a surplus of gasoline because the demand is driven by other products derived from refining. Refineries have optimum production rates they were designed for, reduce the output and the cost of operations goes up.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Our military budget and American soldier’s lives have subsedized our oil habit for way too long. We are only retroactively paying for it in higher fuel prices. NOW is the time to recognize that we waste the energy we have AND we need to be moving off oil while we have time. The supply of oil is getting harder and more expensive (economically and environmentally) to get to and therefore the price is going up. Transition NOW to other (cleaner) sources of energy and vastly improve our energy use efficiency. To do otherwise is unpatriotic and frankly – idiotic.

    • bob wire

      You are ahead of your time Doc. ~ You will receive bad press with such a statement,true as it may be.

      While I don’t agree with the many that wish to lay this recent increase at the current administrations door step. I do believe they could stop it. At what cost, is the question.

      • Keith

        Solutions to economic problems are easier than they are made out to be, the problem is that every intelligent solution has an idiotic and rhetorical opposition that benefits big business.

        You want a sure fire economy booster? Cap gasoline prices at $2.50 a gallon. The ripple effects would be profound, every business that depends on fuel would do better at a time when they are struggling. Families would have an extra couple of hundred dollars from the money saved on their working commute. Food prices would not go up the way they have to if it costs more to farm and ship goods, etc. etc. etc.

        Oil companies would not fail, they would just post less profits.

        Go one step further and end tax exemptions and subsidies for the rich, I am a business consultant that helps struggling companies streamline their operations. It’s not struggling companies that would feel an end to tax exemptions, it’s fatter highly profitable companies.

        People don’t seem to understand that the trickle down economic theory has one major falsehood. Give already profitable companies a tax break and that money does not magically get into the economy, it simply adds to investment accounts. Now the flip side is the one that is a mind blower for those who don’t really understand business. Take away tax exemptions (free money) and you literally force a profitable corporation to find things to invest back into the company. They literally have to find new equipment or invest in research and development which means more jobs. When you give a company a tax exemption you literally take away the tool that makes them invest in the company’s infrastructure.

        I get pretty tired of hearing dumb arguments for why we can’t “raise taxes to corporations” when those parroting the rhetoric don’t have a clue what’s going on.

        One other thing, I have a lot of wealthy friends, and you want to know something? None of them pay any taxes, the loopholes and exemptions for someone who wants to work the system are so deep that their money is untaxed, if they made twice as much they still wouldn’t pay any taxes. My accountant was telling me ways that I can buy other people’s unused exemptions.

        The tax exemption and shelter system needs a total wipeout, heck, I have a friend who is setting up a nonprofit entity and it can be used to sell nonprofit status to businesses that want to exempt their own profits.

        • Kinetic1

          Keith,
          I’m with you on this one. I’ve tried over and over to explain how proper taxation encourages investment, but it seems too hard a concept for some to understand. When you look at your own finances it’s hard to imagine that having a larger tax burden would help, but just as with national finances, you can’t compare your household economy to a corporation or nation. And With people like Hannity insisting that all we need to do is put more money back in everyone’s pockets (especially his and his corporate sponsors) it’s going to be hard to explain.

          • Dale on the left coast

            Was JFK wrong? Didn’t he reduce taxes back in the 60′s and witness economic expansion? Every dollar the govt takes out of the taxpayers pocket DISSAPEARS . . . but every dollar a taxpayer SPENDS himself . . . goes round and round, to the butcher, baker and so on.
            Govts destroy economies . . . example: Community REinvestment Act, 1998. And of course the BIG SPEND that has been going on for the last few years. 49 Cent dollar is on the horizon. Printing 5 BILLION dollars a day is Insanity!!!

          • Keith

            OMG, intelligent life! You said a mouthful about taxes having to be well structured to be right.

            I’ll say a mouthful, fear mongering and the fear of things we need to be doing right creates the atmosphere that allows big business interests to prevail beyond all sensibility. Healthcare costs are ludicrously inflated beyond all reason, the defense for these corporations having a “right” to profit are idiotic at best. This is one of many huge corporate interests that needs to be flat cleaned up and solidly regulated. Salaries of CEO’s need to be capped, insurance companies need to be hammered, drug companies need sensible price regulation according to what a product cost to make as opposed to what the industry will misrepresent as what it “saves” the industry. The cost of chemo therapies are ridiculous.

            This will make sense to you Kinetic1, that corporations are basically designed to act as entities that don’t show a profit at all, they run on an income outgo balance that reduces their taxable profit liability.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Kinetic1… You say, ‘proper taxation encourages investment’. In a perfect world this would be true. But this administration has substituted the word spending for investment. And it is all the out of control ‘investing’ that has become the problem. Do you really think Americans would be upset with Congress if they were towing the line and ‘investing’ our tax dollars in those things that benefit America as a whole? I just don’t like the ridiculous, and you don’t have to go far to find it. Every state has made the deals and all the parties are involved. Unions are getting our tax dollars, as well as fat cat bankers. That is just plain wrong. So, I don’t think more taxes are going to help. I think they need to trim, trim, and trim some more on the outrageous things that normal people would never say, ‘sure, go ahead and use my hard earned tax dollars on studies that nobody cares about, or other similar ludicrous things!’

          • Jovianus

            Dale..JFK cut taxes, true. But you’re wrong to see the tax reduction as a supply-side cut, like Reagan’s and Bush’s; it was a demand-side cut. JFK’s tax relief was aimed at the demand, rather than the supply, side of the economy.

            This distinction, taught in Economics 101, seldom makes the thought processes of the simple minded. A demand-side cut rests on the Keynesian theory that public consumption spurs economic activity. Government puts money in people’s hands, as a temporary measure, so that they’ll spend it. A supply-side cut sees business investment as the key to growth. Government gives money to businesses and wealthy individuals to invest, ultimately benefiting all Americans.

            Back in the early 1960s, tax cutting was as contentious as it is today, but it was liberal demand-siders who were calling for the cuts and generating the controversy.

            Another important thing to consider is the extremely high level of tax rates when Kennedy became President. The top rate for individual taxes (under Republican President Eisenhower, by the way) was 90%. That’s right…90%.

            Cutting individual taxes when the rates are so high obviously has a greater stimulus to the economy than when rates have been lowered as much as they have in the last 25 years since Reagn began his assault on the Middle Class, whether that cut is aimed at supply (investment) or demand (consumption).

            Since the Kennedy years, we have tried both types of tax cuts. From the experiences of the Kennedy, Reagan/Bush #41, Clinton, and Bush#43 tax packages, it seems transparently clear that the Democratic emphasis on the demand side cuts works better.

            Remember, not only did Clinton balance his last three budgets, with significant surpluses in his last two budgets, but the last previous balanced budget was the last one overseen by Democrat Lyndon Johnson way back in 1969. And that was in the middle of the Vietnam War!!

            All modern Republicans know how to do with the economy is to give the largest tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans and giant corporations, then borrow and spend, and send the bill to future generations.

            Learn something. Think about it.

          • eddie47d

            Excellent comments and mostly from a more liberal view. Thanks Keith for pointing out the tax ruse used by wealthy companies and individuals. I’ve been pointing that out for some time now but your explanations hit the nail on the head. Yes sir there are alot of people not paying taxes besides the low income folks. I’ve been called a communist because I point out the loopholes and scam salaries that CEOs make. There is nothing patriotic about what they are doing.

          • Kinetic1

            Jovianus,
            One more point regarding the Kennedy cuts: Those cuts were accompanied by the end of many loopholes in the tax system. His goal was to end the loopholes that were allowing the wealthiest Americans to get away with paying little in taxes, but it couldn’t be done while the tax rate was so high. The reason his tax cut brought in more money was because he had successfully closed the holes and forced the wealthy out into the open.

    • Dale on the left coast

      1. What would that “Source” of energy by Doc???

      2. By the way . . . what country with over 300 million is the cleanest on the Planet???

      Answer to question 1 . . . NOTHING!!!

      Answer to queston 2 . . . USA!!!

    • Patriot

      Until that time pump the Freakin’ oil, mine for coal and use our Nat. Gas. If you want clean energy start building more nuclear facilities, sorry we cannot do that either! Wake up!

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    This country has not had a real energy policy since President Carter started the Department of Energy When that department was started the US was number ONE in alternative energy we were the ground beakers with NEW Technology the whole world came to us. When the darling of the Republicans (President Reagan)was elected one of his first acts was to remove the solar panels from the White House roof and declare “Americans do not have to conserve” then he underfunded the Department of Energy.
    Every President since has only payed lip service to ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.
    When President Bush was elected Vice President Chaney held secret talks with the major energy companies what was that all about
    If you watched the Super bowl there was a GE commercial with cows playing rock music It was about manure to energy Google GE manure to energy and see what the rest of the world is doing with our ideas

    • bob wire

      So true Sir, the bought influence of BIG OIL meddling has neutered the the DOE since it’s creation. A good idea gone bad.

      NAFT much the same way. ~ These were but “TOOLS” to work with.

      Today we blame the failure of these tools on their creator rather then those that have misuse and abused them.

      Deferred guilt and blame to cover up gaff and political mishandling.

      and thank you for your service. I see you made the party.

    • Bruce D.

      France became practically energy independent with our nuclear energy technology while regulations and environmentalists block most of its use here. Also GE has been heavily subsidized by Obama and of course the favor is returned back to him.

    • 45caliber

      The biggest problem I have with the DOE (other than its existence) is that all new technologies must be approved by them prior to use. If they don’t like the new techs, then they cannot be used.

      And they don’t like any tech that will reduce auto fuel usage as it could cut deeply into their fuel taxes. Consider, if you came out with a new tech (as some have) that will give you twice as much fuel milage, it would mean you would buy half as much gasoline – which would reduce the fuel taxes collected in half as well. That would cut the money the government gets to spend. They can’t allow that.

      At the moment electric cars and alternate fuel cars (natural gas or propane) is discouraged since they can’t truly tax that. It would be too easy to refuel at home on home energy and they don’t dare tax that at the same rates that they do vehicles. The homeowners would revolt.

      • eddie47d

        I’m betting there are plenty in Washington who don’t even know about that fuel tax and why they won’t bring fuel efficient vehicles on line. It’s hard to tell if those in Washington have been kicked in the head too many times or not enough. I like your earlier idea on taxing road usage and then lowering the fuel tax or a combination of both.

        • 45caliber

          I’m glad you like the idea of a road tax. I don’t. The reason is that they do not intend to lower the fuel tax at all. This is just another source of taxes and they have no intention of reducing a tax elsewhere to adjust.

          Further, one Congressman when told the idea also thought it would be a good idea to program the GPS to report any time you failed to stop at a stop sign or any time you exceeded the speed limit so they could fine you for that as well.

          If you have a GPS you should consider it carefully. I’ve run into several areas where there is no GPS map. I’ve ran into several places where a stop sign has been replaced with a stop light and isn’t on the GPS. And I’ve seen several places where the speed limit on the GPS is different than what is posted. Do YOU want to pay fines based on that?

        • Jovianus

          Eddie…I’ll have to sit back and think about the road usage tax concept. Here’s some immediate thoughts.

          1. The road travelled may not receive the benefits of the tax I would be paying. I drive plenty of rural mountain roads and I wonder if they would spend it on Seattle roads or where I drive.

          2. I’m looking down at Portland Oregon and seeing what excuses their Mayor has for taxing cell phone usage. They have a utility surcharge on land phones to … in theory…pay for the upkeep of the land lines. Well, Portland is now over 50% cellular. The receipts from the phne utility tax have dropped like a rock. So the Mayor is saying they have to make up for the loss of the revenue to the city by implementing a tax on cell phones. When pointed out land lines were the intended basis for the utility tax…apparently he kept reciting the loss of revenues from the city coffers. Even Portlanders, known to be progressive…are asking about that one. So any road usage tax would have to be mandated for road repair and upkeep.

          3, Isn’t that what toll raods are for? To pay for upkeep of the roads?

          Again…it may have merit as we switch over to oil free auto’s…but I’ll have to give moe thogught to the idea of a road usage tax.

  • BigBadJohn

    John,
    I agree with you for once. In North Carolina to get a builders license, you have to put up a bond, not sure how much it is currently. This is to prove you have assets in case you screw up someones house.
    The same should be done with oil.

    Give oil companies a fast track approval on government lands but force them to put up say a 5 billion dollar bond – immediately siezable – to clean up any environmental damage done in case of a spill.

    Don’t stop there, do the same thing coal and oil sands production with the clause that the land is restored if strip mined. I think that already is a clause. To address air pollution, require scrubbers on coal fire generators, but don’t hinder the use of coal.

    Don’t stop there. Build more nuclear power plants, I understand that the new generation is much cleaner and produce waste that can be reused. But our government still requires the OLD style plants.

    PS – I am a greeny, I think we need to push for alternate energy sources, but it will be a long time before they are practical. In the mean time, we need to use what we have, and keep as small of a footprint as possible.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. In fact, I recently saw an article about a new nuclear energy tech that uses “spent” uranium. It produces enough energy for a small city and requires no maintenance. It runs for about 100 years. They plan to bury the small plant so it won’t even be on the landscape. Bill Gates is heavily into this. It would be great since it could be placed near various small cities instead of power companies and underground it could more easily be protected from EMP waves.

      When they talk of coal being bad, they are considering air pollution. But we now have the pollution equipment needed to purify any exhausts before release. They are looking at the existing coal fired plants built about 1940 or so when they point fingers.

      Nuclear is the best way to go right now. Particularly with spent fuel from the big plants used as fuel for the small ones. And it is getting to the point that it is cheaper than most other types of generation.

      Wind and solar will never be really more than tokens for the Greens. They both require too much land space. Solar power also requires all trees, etc. be removed so the sun can reach the panels. At most this will be a way to reduce your energy use by placing it on the roof of your house. Even then it will require that no tree shades the house and no snow be allowed to sit on top of them. Since tree shade is an excellent method of reducing your air conditioning costs, the solar panels on a roof probably would only work out even with the savings due to shade.

    • Keith

      BB John

      Before doing much more as pertains to advocating nuclear fuel, do a little fact checking. Two huge obstacles exist not to mention a myriad of smaller issues.

      The world has a nuclear fuel usage that exceeds the supply that can be mined and processed. the US used to have a substantial stockpile that has been sold and used over time to where it isn’t there anymore. Add a material shortfall to the fact that China has gone bonkers on reactors that are newly coming online and will be coming online over the next decade and you have a nuclear fuel commodity disaster in the making. China, being a cash rich country can outbid us as far as what it is worth to them, also that breaks us financially to be forced to pay ever rising nuclear fuel costs. The government will be forced to subsidize energy. Why sign up for an impending disaster? Ah, the money, follow the money.

      No reactor built at this time could possibly come in at a contracted price, it simply isn’t happening. As the viability of the cost to produce power is figured the balance of it even being profitable has to be tweaked and misrepresented with low cost numbers that won’t hold. Add an original contracted price that the contractor has been given the green light on to double as the project is being done and reactors spell financial disaster for the government, because hey, you can’t leave an unfinished five billion dollar pile of concrete and rebar can we? It is a fact that no contractor will agree to a set price, and the government has to guarantee completion.

      Canada attempted to look at reactors and found that the cost to build them is simply too high to make it profitable power, not to mention escalating fuel prices.

      I have heard proponents of nuclear power, when faced with these facts say “well but it makes sense for the government to subsidize power like this because it makes us energy independent”. No it doesn’t make us energy independent, and no it doesn’t make any sense to open government coffers to unregulated cost overruns. Nuclear power is a dead deal as far as future solutions are concerned, it will break us.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Sounds like you get your info from Greensleeze or the nutty Suzuki Foundation. There is no shortage of nuclear material. There are mines in Canada and several African countries. Like Nigeria . . . the one Joe went to and couldn’t find the yellowcake (but it was shipped to Canada from Iraq a few years ago).
        Canada’s nuclear facilities are old and tired, should have been replaced decades ago, but enviro-whack just go nuts. Many Euro countries have 80% of their electricity produced by nuclear plants. Never heard of any of them running short.

        • Keith

          Dale, just because you never heard of something before doesn’t mean it isn’t on the way. In response to my statement that the US has blown through what was a substantial stockpile of nuclear fuel bridging the shortfall of the world’s production, and that China, who can afford to pay way more for fuel for the reactors they are bringing online is going to increase a demand that already can’t be met, your blithe “you haven’t seen it yet” is rather (fill in the blank)

        • eddie47d

          I’m not sure why Dale had to be name calling (greensleeze). Nothing could be farther from the truth with the greens. We need all sources of energy in all parts of the country. Each section needs a backup fuel or alternative energy source. Knock knock,we depend to much on oil as our main source and there are those who refuse to budge on alternatives. I’m not a big fan of nuclear and they cost way too much $40 billion each. If we can find the fuel sources for the newer Nuke plants and that spent fuel can be reused then we should try them. Do we have enough nuclear fuel in this country or do we have to depend on 3rd world dictators to get it.

      • 45caliber

        Back in 1973 NASA went to the Atomic Energy Commission with a nuclear energy plant they wanted to build. It was originally meant for an engine for a rocket to Mars that could operate full time both ways to shorten the flight time. It could easily be converted to producing electrical energy. It ran on gaseous low grade uranium (that multiplied our resources by more than 1000 times) that could be shut down at the flip of a switch. It produced 1 megawatt of power (I know it is small for an energy plant but … ), it required no more than an 8″ solid block concrete wall as shielding, and it cost very little when compared to all other forms of generation.

        The AEC wanted to know what problems they had encourted in the actual operation of such a unit. NASA said that they had to have AEC permission to build one before they could operate it. So all safety measures were based on what they expected to come up. AEC told them that they couldn’t build one with prior experience so none were built.

        I don’t know if that is all true – but I did read it in the newspaper at the time.

  • Patrick

    1973(The First Oil Crisis)should have been mighty wake up call but no once the crisis was once we went back to our old ways,the samething happened in 1979.The only President who have tried to do something about our dependence on Foreign oil was Jimmy Carter but he was mocked and laughed at.The first thing St Ronnie did was when he got into the Whitehouse was remove the solar panels did Carter had installed,great forward thinking.I remember hearing one of Reagan’s aides stating there will no oil crisis under Reagan’s watch because we will go into the Middle East and get “our oil” with force if necessary.Get way to make friends!!!!

    • bob wire

      But Carter was made a joke by the GOP at turn in the road and every opportunity, the GOP was so effective with this debasing campaign, most~ still to this day claim he was the worst President ever. Never to acknowledge when he was correct or his many achievements.

      They display this same memory loss when you attempt to speak of 43′s and his many “achievements” ~ They prefer to reward 43 with what didn’t happen on his watch and forget what did.

      I had an Ex-wife that displayed similar memory loss. Come to think of it she was from a GOP family. Perhaps it’s parental imprinting?

      The truth seems to be an elusive and difficult to find for some people.

      • Jovianus

        Our exes may have been sisters…

    • 45caliber

      Patrick:

      One reason we “went back to our wasteful ways” after the “fuel crisis” in 1973 was that it wasn’t a crisis. It was an attempt by the oil companies to artificially force up the price of gasoline by withholding it from the market. I lived near a tank farm then. Every tank was so full they were almost running over. The “fuel crisis” ended because they didn’t have anyplace else to store the gasoline they were making.

    • Don

      Patrick,, you need to go back to school to learn how to put a sentence together, you must be liberal !!

      • Kinetic1

        Don,
        Party affiliation and political leanings are certainly not a factor when it comes to the use of the English language on this site. I agree that Patrick’s post was a tough read, but check out marvin some time. I’m afraid that the tools of our time (twitter, texting, etc.) may bring forth the end of the written word as we know it.

      • eddie47d

        Come on Don I understood patrick. You have to learn to speak liberal.LOL

  • momplayer

    Check out the story about Sen.R.C.Soles(D-NC)biggest anti-gun senator and he shoots and intruder in his home. guess his gun didn’t get a free trip to mexico.

    • WayneT

      Yes! momplayer, I saw that also. There is not anything worse that a person telling you to do something, or not to do somthing, and then doing the opposite himself. This is indictative of the Democrats we currently have in Congress. The Democrats of today are not the same as the ones we had back in the 50′s and early 60′s. What has happened is the Liberals and the Communist could not make it by running on their own ticket so they are now running on the Democratic ticket. What I am saying is that we don’t have many good Democrats like we used to have. Most of the Democrats today are “wolves in Sheep’s clothing”. Isn’t this a shame? We all know that “Sheep” is plural for one or more sheep. In this case it is alright to add the apostrophe s at the end.

      • Jovianus

        A) He was a STATE Senator from NC.
        B) He was not anti-gun, he was pro gun control
        C) He didn’t seek re-election
        D) The story is over two years old.

        • Jovianus

          Here’s a more up to date and relevant story breaking…

          Now what was that people were saying about truth and honesty? LOL

          “Premiere On Call, which promises radio shows “voice talent to take/make your on-air calls, improvise your scenes or deliver your scripts. Using our simple online booking tool, specify the kind of voice you need, and we’ll get your the right person fast.”

          Premiere is the same company which syndicates many radio shows, including Glenn Beck’s, Sean Hannity’s and Rush Limbaugh’s. All denied utilizing Premiere’s services but sources detail extensive contacts between …”

          LOL…

        • 45caliber

          Tell me, what is the difference between someone who is “anti-gun” and one who is “pro-gun control”? So far I’ve never seen any difference between them.

          • Jovianus

            45…to me, “anti gun” is a proponent of banning guns.

            Pro gun control is just that. Controlling the sale, delivery and possession of certain firearms. I’m a firm believer in the 2nd. I am not a firm believer in having every lunatic and amateur wannabe Paladin out there packin’ at will.

          • 45caliber

            And my definition of both is someone who wants to limit my use of guns by any method or reason. So as far as I’m concerned, they are the same.

            As far as the Paladins you speak of – I’m not truly worried about them as long as I have the right to defend myself. It’s when someone tells me that I must not do it that I get angry. And too many now do.

          • Keith

            There’s a pretty big difference and it pays to know what it is.

            The anti gun person is against all guns, having them, shooting them, whatever they think there is no reason to have any gun at all.

            The pro gun control issues on the other hand aren’t trying to take guns in general away in their entirety. Instead they are willing to try to find compromises that shut anti gunners up but keep our right to have guns.

            Lumping them all together is an ignorant mistake because those who do it alienate those who are actually sensibly on the side of our right to have guns.

            The statement that “Obama wants to take our guns” is so stupid it defies belief. He’s a republican, he isn’t going after anything like that that would alienate voters.

          • 45caliber

            Ahhhhh … Keith? Oblama is a republican? I think you might have drunk too much. You might want to sleep it off. Not even the Dems accuse him of that!

            Second, if you check, the “gun control” people are generally the same people as the anti-gun people. The ones who insist they are gun control will generally tell you they won’t be satisfied with any level of gun control until all the guns have been confiscated and destroyed. So the arguement of the differences is basically meaningless. Simce most of them are that way despite what they call themselves, it is better for me and others who do like guns to just consider them both the same because nearly all of them are.

          • 45caliber

            Keith:

            On compromise: There can be NO compromise with people who want to deprive you of your natural rights (as opposed to government granted rights). Every compromise simply gives the antigun people another step closer to their goals. Anyone who doesn’t understand that isn’t anyone that I want trying to speak for me.

        • Kinetic1

          Senator Soles had an average of a b+ rating from the NRA. Not exactly the score of an “anti-gun senator”.

          • JeffH

            Then I would say there is a good reason why he didn’t recieve an A+ rating.

          • Keith

            If you can’t see the difference between a B+ and a D or F you are part of the problem. You’d vote against that politician when he may be very good on other issues and your ally on gun issues.

            Just because a politician supports a gun control issue doesn’t make him the enemy of all gun owners

          • JC

            Keith says:
            March 9, 2011 at 1:41 pm

            Just because a politician supports a gun control issue doesn’t make him the enemy of all gun owners
            ________________________________________________________________

            Actually if this or any other Politician is unable to uphold the Constitution after taking an oath to do so, then it makes him not only an enemy of gun owners, but of all Americans.
            Which only goes to show, we need Statesmen, not Politicians.

  • Warrior

    And here I really thought the “regime” was interested in promoting job growth. I would think the “unions” would be all over this topic to dig, drill and scrape.

    Well, what the heck, so what if we keep sending a couple hundred billion $$$/ year to our “friends”. They really enjoy their lavish lifestyles.

    • 45caliber

      We have to keep bribing them to be our “friends”. After all, the liberals are desperate to have at least a FEW friends in the world…

      • eddie47d

        What do you call them when Conservatives send billions to those same “friendly” dictators?

  • Dink8128

    As one who has been in the petroleum industry most of my life, I find it appalling that our domestic petroleum reserves have not been allowed to be developed & domestic refining capacity constructed & put on line. My experience in the petroleum industry includes refining, transportation, wholesale & retail marketing. Instead, we are relying on sources that are not our friends & who raise prices at will to our detriment.

    • Bruce D.

      A lot of us fin it appalling.

      • Jovianus

        Which is one reason it is wise to get off il as the major source of energy in this country. Only idiots and those who are bought by Big Oil propaganda and money say otherwise

        • Dale on the left coast

          And what would you suggest to replace oil tomorrow?

          There are enough KNOWN Oil and Gas reserves in the USA to last over 100 years . . . time to go get it.

          Saw a shot of Bejing the other day . . . streets full of cars . . . the commentator said that only a few years ago the street would have been clogged with bicycles.
          Maybe that’s the future for the US . . . . streets clogged with bicycles as we regress to third-world status . . . .thanks to the EPA, Enviro-nuts and Lieberals/Progressives.

          • Keith

            Oil companies could “go get it” anytime they want, they are waiting for artificially created shortages and prices to escalate and pesky regulations to be removed or not enforced to where they can have a field day.

            No, oil is being shipped out of the country to be brought back in after different jumps in price can take place.

            I’d be a whole lot more behind domestic oil support if the oil companies had the integrity to produce it at the real rate as opposed to the artificially pumped up one. No, we need to be using battery cars, screw the oil industry. Let India and China fight over gasoline, we’re best out of that fight.

          • eddie47d

            Dale; We need the EPA,”enviro-nuts”,progressives and liberals to keep you in line with your wacko comments.

        • 45caliber

          Jovi:

          I would love to get off oil as a fuel. I work in the chemical industry where we use oil for plastics, etc. I fully believe that all oil should be reserved for that. However, in the meantime, we need oil until we can get onto other energy sources. But at the moment, the only vialble sources are coal and nuclear. We’ve used up all the hydro sites (dams) we can. Natural gas is fine but sooner or later we’ll use it up too. Wind and solar are hyped a lot but aren’t practical when you consider that it would take millions of square miles of land use away from us to install such things in enough quantity to do us come good. Plus they are far more expensive than other existing sources. So oil it is until some of the developing technology comes on line – which likely won’t do it for at least twenty more years.

          • Bill

            There is another Hydro source, not used, it is century’s old, not large but originally designed for one house hold, but it produces enough electricity for 2 1/2 homes, constant run, sell excess to power co or use it to produce other energy or fuel. I did not do any inventing, all off the shelf products just arranged a little different, I have worked on this for myself for over 30 years. I have talked to college professors, most to simple, worse part will be government allowing you to put these in, any year round stream with a 10 foot drop will produce power, the size of the stream decides how much, I went for the 2 1/2 home size because of production of materials and cost. can be operated in chains. One after the other. No damage to anything but a built pad and 10 foot of drop, Bet the government wont let me legally put one in! Every mountain valley becomes a power generating area which has a year round stream.

            The car that ran on battery with a small motor powering the charging of battery’s, other things bought by the big industry’s, how can we open source this information, I was raised on the story of a old boy coming 1500 miles on a tank full of gas with some extra 5 gal cans on there car before WW2 he retired after selling it to a car or oil company for millions, he was told he could keep his and build one other. Hydrogen can be used for fuel, propane conversion units for autos re-jetted and a metal salt added to the tank so many pounds per cubic foot, we took the information from Nazi Germany after WW2 and it was never allowed out, back then 1970 to 80;s dollar said $2.00 a gal. gas would be = in cost. Safer then gas in accidents, because of the way the compound in tank worked with Hyd. absorbed it at 13 pounds positive pressure, We can stretch the oil / fuel dollar or find substitutes and the oil and car company’s hold them now! We need some one to sacrifice and put one that works open market to all so they cant shut it down and convert or build autos for it.
            Browns Gas units now for sale, commercially produced, alternator produces positive and negative and each is suspended in water and an electorate and top sealed and ran into the air mixture before fuel is added, hydrogen produces better burn of fuel, more complete burn and the oxygen helps too, adds mileage to each gal. depends on how you drive and a mechanic has to adjust the timing of the car after, results vary. units vary. but it works, only small amount of gas produced and used right then, need to change Oxygen sensor out of exhaust to a special one and they have those too.

            We have answers now, others are working on new, surprising how many close to completing some things are having accidents, some one is killing them off. Oil or auto manufactures don’t want competition or things to change. realize that. much propaganda out there. including by government for the tax dollars,

            There are organizations banding together to open market new things, search the net. its there. end oil wars, realize just how much the oil Dollar has cost America in Dollars and men. crime abounds with it at high levels. They don’t want there piggy bank broken. and it can be. not 10 years from now but now.

          • Jovianus

            45…we’re agreeing on something? Whoa….things can change !

            I agree about oil being reserved for chemicals and plastics. Gasoline is actually a waste of the resource. Solar is limited and only as a supplement. Wind is viable to a large degree (minority) if we can utilize the Plains States.

            However…alcoholis cheap, abundant, easily made from literally just about anything that grows (grass clippings etc) and can be distributed via our existing gas station delivery system. It burns hottr..so there will be some modifications to engines, yet is less explosive than gasoline.

            We can get off oil as an energy fuel in less than a decade …. we just have to rid ourselves of the mindset brought on us by years of oil industry propaganda

          • 45caliber

            Jovi:

            Alcohol will work – but it uses a lot of energy to produce and takes a lot of water too. In the long run it isn’t that economic or useful. But it can be done. Brazil uses a lot of it.

    • 45caliber

      Dink:

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. We should definately develop and use our own resources. Too many people insist that it is better to pay those huge prices to get it from other countries because “we’ll use up what they have and then we’ll still have our own when they are out.”

      • Keith

        Unfortunately “when they are out” their prices will be so high that our oil will be shipped to them because they will pay more. That argument’s “dog don’t hunt” as a good ole boy would say. By us not using gasoline at all we turn that resource into a national product instead of it being a liability because we are a big user fighting with bigger users for a disappearing commodity.

        • 45caliber

          Oh, I don’t disagree with that. But stopping using gasoline today won’t do it. I don’t know about you but I must drive to work every day and have no other way to get here. If my car breaks down, I don’t work. Can’t get gas, I don’t work. Paying $60,000 for a new car also won’t work – I can’t afford to pay for it and pay my other bills. The best thing to do is drill our own wells so we aren’t dependent upon foreign oil from what appears to be enemy countries (Iran, Venesualia, Mexico) and at the same time develop alternates. When the alternates are available and economically useable, we can switch over gradually until we no longer use gasoline. But just stopping? Not in any place in the US that I’m aware of other than the NE. There they have mass transit and seldom need to live far from their work site. Here? We are lucky to get within ten miles of where you work. And many of those sites you don’t want.

  • WayneT

    I can guarantee you, when the cost of gasoline gets to a certain point, the folks in this country are going to rebel Obama’s idiotic ideology, and force him, and his Zombie Cohorts in Congress, to grant permits for drilling in this country. Let the drilling begin all over this country and you will see gasoline prices falling quickly. After we place drilling for oil in full mode, then I would be willing to go along with the exploring of other types of alternative energy for the future. This alternative energy, however, will never give us the bypoducts that we obtain from oil that we use daily, but neglect to see it. We drive over a derivative of oil every day which most of us take for granted. We need a president, and Congress, that is going to look out for the interest of this country instead of the Muslim World. Let’s also put God back in our govenment buildings, and our schools. We have got to educate the youngsters while their minds are still pliable. We know that the Liberals had taken God out of our schools and government building over the last 30 to 50 years. I feel that this is causing the problems that we are having today.

    • bob wire

      They are drilling in this country, and the first deep water drilling permit since the DP spill was released just a few weeks ago. ~

      We must drill and we will drill responsibly, I don’t see an argument.

      I like God, right where he’s at. ~ anywhere he manifest to be. God is not at our command. I’m not commanding God to stay inside government building.

      If God chooses to be there, he shall.

      • WayneT

        Yes! only one permit has been released, Bob. Why don’t they go all out for drilling, and release as many as many permits as they need. We don’t want them to release one, or two every year, or so. I agree, I think drilling should be done responsibly too, but I believe this is enough safeguards today where this can be done. We need safety in all aspects of our lives. If this safety factor could be accomplished in the driving public, we could cut out fatalities down considerably. We need safty in all aspects of our lives, not only foir drilling.

        • 45caliber

          From what I believe, Oblama and his administration have promised the off-shore oil to China in return for them loaning us the money we need for all the new things they wanted. So they can’t drill. I fully believe that the BP Gulf spill was actually sabotage and everything I’ve heard since only reinforces that belief.

          • Don

            Haven’t heard about the China thing, but do agree with you about the sabotage !

          • Keith

            45
            Aren’t you paying attention to what went on? Halliburton chose not to take the extra time to do the job correctly because they could be up and running faster if they disregarded regulated procedures and standards. The fact that this and other contributing causes is not being pushed and prosecuted is the disturbing thing.

            Facts surrounding causes don’t have to be fabricated, they are what they are. That well head blew out for a reason, and the substandard manner that it was setup is that reason. A substandard job has a directly associated company responsible for that failure and it isn’t that hard to figure out where the blame lies.

            There is supposed to be a redundant safety valve on all of the wells in the gulf that the bureau that is charged with compliance has failed to do so as it was undermined and rendered useless during Bush’s watch. That administration decided in it’s wisdom that oil companies could save half a million dollars not providing that redundant safety valve even though it is an EPA regulated matter.

          • eddie47d

            Don; I don’t believe the Horizon was sabotaged and the folks who claimed that Obama did it are as nutty as ever. IF you want to believe in conspiracies then blame it on Haliburton or Trans Ocean or maybe BP itself. We can all come up with oddball scenarios. I do believe we are paying China in oil. Since we owe them trillions of dollars of debt we have to pay back loans someday and with something tangible.

          • 45caliber

            Keith:

            It’s apparent that you aren’t in on the story. Halliburton? BP was doing the drilling, etc. with their own people. Halliburton wasn’t involved.

            As for the rig – BP has a lot of them and does a lot of drilling. You don’t take chances for several reasons. First, the families of any harmed will sue you. Second, they lose valuable product they could sell.

            As a result the rig had a flare to burn anything that came up from below. Generally the hazard is to drill into a pocket of compressed gas. It comes up the line and can explode if it mixes with Oxygen at the surface and has a point of ignition. They are aware of that and burn it off with the flare. The flare didn’t work. Further, there were several other fail-safes for protection. None of them worked either. The final protection was the valve at the bottom. It wouldn’t work. In addition there was an explosion at the bottom. Explosions require a fast burning fuel (natural gas in this case), oxygen, and an ignition source. The natural gas had no oxygen and no ignition source at the bottom. So it couldn’t have blown up due to that at that point.

            BP tried to hire the foremost expert on stopping this sort of thing. He lives in Houston near me. They offered him over $1000 an HOUR to go down and take control. He took one look at it and declined. He said he didn’t want to be there when another explosion went off to hide the first one.

            The fire actually came several days later. But there was no oil, etc. at the top of the rig. It was all underwater due to the break there. So what caused the fire and why did it burn as it did? Then the rig sank, taking any evidence with it. The rig has three or four legs. I think this one had four. Each leg is hollow and has a number of compartments. It is empty when they move the rig to get it as high out of the water as possible to reduce the problem of towing it. (Actually they use large sea-going tugs to push it most of the time.) The legs have compartments flooded with sea water when it gets into position so it will sink some. The legs stabilize it so waves don’t rock it. They can go quite deep. Each compartment is flooded in turn and sealed from the rest.

            To sink a rig, at least two legs must be holed and the doors between compartments open. On a four leg rig, it usually takes three legs holed to sink it. It is done that way to insure it does NOT sink so if there is some sort of damage they can fix it and save the rig. It costs far too much to make to want one to sink. But this one sank and sank quickly. That means everything was open. Again, this takes multiple holes and a lot of compartment doors had to be open.

            Adding up all these things, along with others, leads many people to believe that sabotage was probable. I know the guy in Houston was glad he didn’t take the job since there was the fire and the rig sank.

            Don’t believe that it was faulty design because some company didn’t want to obey the rules.

            Further, when they considered allowing drilling again, why did the second rig catch fire and burn? It wasn’t even pumping and had no oil on it. It had been shut down. Yet the fire was at the perfect time to convince people that it was unsafe to drill there in the Gulf.

          • 45caliber

            Oh, I also have no idea of who might had sabotaged the unit. I seriously doubt that Oblama and company did it. Environmentalists? Possibly. China? Also possible. Other countries wanting to drill and take the oil themselves? Possible. But I have no idea at this time and no evidence since it is at the bottom of the Gulf.

      • Pat R

        Yep! They issue one permit to drill in the Gulf and what happens?
        Another oil rig burned!
        I guess it’s just me; but I smell a “rat”! The rig that burned was shut down. Only 2 men were there.
        There are too many things happening to be just coincidence. The Scientist that reported that oil was covering the bottom of the Gulf
        dies suddenly from an “unknown” disease. (Try M U R D E R). People that were set to testify on certain issues worldwide have suddenly died from “unknown” diseases. One of these involved a Native Eskimo Man in
        Alaska and the Queen of England. Murder again. (Nothing can upset the
        Royal Wedding!) (The Illuminati in full action!)
        We wonder where all the hatred in the world is coming from. The inbreeding of the elite to keep the bloodline “pure” has created pure
        monsters that are now ruling the world.

        • 45caliber

          Pat: I agree. I smell a rat too – a huge pile of them. In fact, I personally believe that the BP incident was sabotage and all I’ve heard since only reinforces that.

          In addition, I believe that the government has basically signed all off-shore oil over to the Chinese in payment for their loans to give us money to spend on all the new programs they want. At present, China is drilling just outside our territorial lines off Florida and I understand they have several other wells they are putting in around the Gulf too.

          • eddie47d

            China is buying leases from Cuba and could be soon all over the Caribbean and Gulf.Another failure of our Cuba policy.

          • 45caliber

            Eddie:

            You are correct. They can drill at angles to cover many square miles – and you can bet that the Chinese are doing just that to tap into the oil on our side of the line. I understand that they have also approached Mexico for drilling rights although I don’t know if they have gotten it yet.

    • Keith

      Now you, Wayne, are delusional.

      The people could push the government for carte blanche open drilling, which really means the government would be subsidizing the hell out of it because that’s what’s really at stake here, not the right to drill baby drill.

      You will never see any decrease in price as a result of deregulation or opening up drilling rights. Oil companies charge what they want and it has nothing to do with realities of the cost of refining oil. You are going to see gasoline prices go up, if it were actually cost driven their profit margins would go down. Instead what we will see is prices going up while their profits go up as well.

      What do the supporters of drilling for more oil have to say about profits going up as gas prices go up? It’s not complicated folks, the profits don’t lie. It wasn’t necessary to raise prices of gas, they do it because ignorant people let them do it. Smart people would back the government setting gas price caps. The only way to increase those caps would be when oil companies can show that their profits are in the toilet and it isn’t because they have upped corporate salaries and bonuses to make it look like there is a profit crisis.

  • CharlesB

    As a constitutionalist who is also a conservationist I have to take issue with this blind push to increase domestic oil and gas drilling. During the last administration, we saw T. Boone Pickens shilling for the gas exploration companies, promoting domestic gas drilling. What wasn’t said was that the method they wanted to use was “fracturing.” Fracturing got the green light and now has destroyed aquifers in 10 states. It is a horrendously toxic method of extracting natural gas and has left people with wells of toxic, unuseable water. Now, they want to use the same method to extract raw petroleum. Somebody will make billions of dollars, but you will be left with water that will destroy everything it touches.

    What’s worse is that Bush’s administration gave these drilling companies a legal exemption from provisions under the Clean Water Act and the Environmental Protection Act. The end result is that they can pollute our land and water as much as they want with impugnity, and they have done that very thing.

    All the oil profits in the world will never give us back a clean water supply. Clean water is the looming problem on the horizon. When the water sources are gone, we will all be killing each other over water. We must protect our water resources or face the prospect of having nothing to drink, nothing to bathe with, not being able to farm, watching huntable species decline, watching our fish populations die off, etc. We will create our own post-apocalytptic nightmare.

    I’m all for drililng for our own oil. Just not at the expense of destroying our water and land. We must insist on methods that will preserve our land and water. Fracturing must be stopped and the companies using it must be held accountable for the damage they have done. Short-term, short-sighted solutions only serve to line the pockets of the profiteers at the expense of our future. We must learn to think long-term and strategically. We can live without automobiles, people did that very well just 100 years ago, but we can never live without water or arrable land.

    We, the people, the owners of this country, have every right to demand that the sanctity of our property be protected. I, for one, want to continue to hunt and fish and grow my food without risking illness and death.

    • 45caliber

      When was the last time we had a major spill on land in the US?

      So long ago I can’t really remember it.

      Lately they have been drilling in my area, with some wells less than a mile from my house. One well is only a few hundred yards from the house. There is NO oil spill or gas escaping at any of these wells. Unfortunately, most of the wells are capped for “future” use. The ground is simply bare grass around them.

      So from personal experience, your worries about spills and poisoning the air and water are groundless.

      Drill!

      • CharlesB
      • Yvan

        45 Caliber
        You have been poisonning this blog for too long. Why don’t you go back to school and learn something for change. Read Charles comment over an over again. It’s all there.

        • 45caliber

          Me? Poisoning this blog? The last I noticed, this is a conservative blog. The liberals are poisoning it – such as you.

          I read his comments. And I still stick by what I said. The enviornmentalists keep referring to things that happened decades ago. Today we have the tech and the laws to prevent such things. Most companies are aware that they can get better profits by keeping things clean. I’m not saying we need to do away with all the laws – but there are far too many of them that mandate the same things. Let’s drill. If there is a spill – and there hasn’t been one on land for a loooong time – the oil companies can be required to clean it up.

          You should stop living in the past. Incidently, I’m a mechanical engineer. It requires a great deal of education – and continuing education as well. You should get some yourself and quit listening to liberal hype as information sources. Think for yourself instead. I know it’s harder to do but I believe you can do that if you just try.

        • Dale on the left coast

          You sound like an “Enviro” . . . . maybe if you just locked yourself in you house and didn’t go outside . . . you know you might have an accident or fall off a step.
          The oil and gas drilling in the US is among the cleanest, most responsible on the planet . . . . go to Africa or the ME and watch the mess there. In fact . . . why not go to China and India and Protest about the filthy environment there? The US is one of the cleanest countries on the planet.

          • eddie47d

            Why would anyone go to India or Nigeria when we occassionaly have the same problems here. I have complained about Nigeria and there oil messes but that is like a cry in the wilderness. I want oil companies to be responsible everywhere. Shell and Cheveron have been negligent in Nigeria and only cater to the dictators. That doesn’t take away our responsibilities here in America and our oil companies do have a higher standard here. We thank them for that or at least I have sent Cheveron America and Exxon an E-Mail saying so. I can’t say I was so kind in another E-Mail to Cheveron Nigeria and Shell.

        • Keith

          45
          Would you want oil companies fracturing to get the oil out of the ground a few hundred yards away from you? If you do you’d be on the soon to be extinct list. Just because it isn’t happening in your backyard doesn’t mean you can turn your back on insidiously irresponsible methods of recovering oil or gas.

          You think the talk about how bad this fracturing is is some kind of myth, it isn’t. And while we are on that what’s your take on the Bush administration not only allowing it but giving a free pass on the prior known environmental consequences?

          • 45caliber

            Keith:

            Fracturing is done when they find some strata in their drilling that supports oil and/or natural gas. They drop an explosive to that level and explode it to crack the surrounding rock to increase the amoung of oil coming out of it. Generally this is at levels several miles or more beneath the surface. In most cases you can’t feel it or even know it went off.

            There are indeed wells that are within a couple of miles of me. Two are less than half a mile away. One was drilled recently (within the last year). I never felt a thing when they fractured it.

            I don’t know about shallow wells. I’ve never been around one of them. Perhaps your bad story of fracturing comes from one of those. I haven’t heard of it. Was it recent? Or many years ago?

            I have no idea about what Bush is supposed to have done – but I suspect it is a lot less than you have heard. So I can’t comment on it. Sorry.

        • eddie47d

          Caliber and I don’t always agree but he does come up with many reasonable comments and solutions.So I have to disagree that he is “poisoning the blog”. I will also disagree with Caliber on fracking for several chemicals are used in the process. Those chemicals do poison drinking water and ruin aquifers. Fracking is giving us an unseen mess until the operation is over and then it is too late. So Charles B is being factual on extracting natural gas.

          • Bill

            I worked oil field, I was on a logging and perforation crew, we ran a logging truck in it sent probes down hole and we took reading off these, a few weeks later the results came back we went back ran explosive charges down hole, Directional charges they blew a hole threw the cement, the pipe, and into the surrounding ground layer. then they moved frac trucks in they pumped in usually acids, and other things and put pressure to it, this opened the blasted hole more and open cracks it produced up allowing larger passage for gas oil and it ran into the pipe, I understood they were careful, the layers with ground water were sealed off from other oil producing areas and the fracking and blasting only went to oil producing areas, Water aquadors are up higher then oil ones, no one drills for deep water. this is sealed off unless the layers intermingle later which I never heard of and I talked to the experts in the field. ya know some times gas and water are there originality together, and the films could be of some of these instances. its there whether the oil company comes or now. but again that don’t mean it cant happen, I am just not aware of it! you get gas in mines too, they use to take a canary down to sing to them, if the bird stopped singing every one got out quick, a gas deposit had been hit. now how deep do mines go especially in the 1800′s which upped the canary market?

          • 45caliber

            eddie: thanks for the compliment.

            Bill is right. I’ve heard of several cases where water would burn … and in all of them there was a leaking natural gas pipeline what got the gas into the water. I’m not saying it can’t be done by fracturing but it isn’t likely as Bill says.

      • Kinetic1

        45,
        It doesn’t require a spill or a visible gas leak to poison our water. The chemicals used in fracking are trade secrets. The bush administration, as noted before gave the ok to skip EPA and clean water regulations, including allowing companies to keep the make up of these drilling solutions a secret. Would you allow a company to poor an unknown chemical into your water source? How about gas? Well, that’s what can occur hundreds of feet below the surface when this practice is used, and there’s little you can do about it but watch as your water burns.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYJj-1jNOxE

        • Dale on the left coast

          That video was a FAKE . . . total nonsense . . . belongs in the realm of mikel moore . . .

          • Keith

            If the news station doing the coverage (as long as it isn’t FOX) aired that segment you can be assured there was a certain level of due diligence before they reported it. Certainly that has more credibility than your proclamation that this is a hoax.

            So the whole talk about what fracturing is doing to ground water in 10 states is a hoax as well? Wake up and pay attention, oil companies can’t be given a free pass on doing things right or they will abuse us.

          • Bill

            You can drill a water well and get water that has gas in it that will burn, and in areas where they have not drilled for oil, it happens, you can get a number of things out of a water well, all depends what is around it or where the water flows from. I would say drilling could affect drinking water, but it can be affected before drilling too, like Iron in water, or what you clean your bathroom sink for, why do stores have cleaning agents for different things that build up in your shower or such, because water contains them, that is why you test drinking water to make sure it is good enough to drink. Gases are just another thing they can contain naturally. or it could be added by on going or past work in the area, mines, or such look at Rocky Flats in Denver, they messed up the well water there. it can happen.

    • WayneT

      CharlesB, everything needs to be done responsibly. This is one thing that probably needs it the most.

  • Erik Osbun

    Obama is only doing what his major contributor, George Soros, asked him to do.

    • Bruce D.

      Don’t forget GE.

  • Isaac Unglaub

    While I agree with most of your thoughts, I don’t believe in blaming President Obama and / or the oil-rich Middle East. Do you really think that the gas price would be lower if the USA would be self-sufficient re: oil supply? Just take Canada as an example: rich in oil (see Alberta Oil Sands), the largest part exported to the US, but the gas price at the pumps is as of today approx. Can$ 5,00 / gal.!!! The ‘7 sisters’ (oil corporations) and the speculators (Wall Street, etc.) have us by the …., whichever way!
    See also:
    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/crude-oil/light-sweet-crude.html http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob-gasoline.html

    • Dale on the left coast

      It’s called TAXES!!! But . . . while you’re looking at Canada . . . look at the Canadian dollar $1.03 US today and rising. Why you ask? Cause Canada has a CONSERVATIVE GOVT, a small deficit and projects to balance the budget in a couple of years. Unlike the USA that is Printing 5 Billion a day, and has a federal govt running consecutive 1.6 TRILLION Dollar Deficits . . . and Obummer want to do the same for the next decade . . . insane!!!

      • eddie47d

        Canada is socialist country who happens to have a conservative leader.It’s a great combination and they has done fairly well under liberal leaders also.

        • Bill

          Screw any thing liberal! the down fall of America!

        • JC

          eddie, you not of what you speak.
          The so called Conservative leader is a Globalist and supposedly an economist, yet he’s printing money too. He’s poll driven.
          (I will give him points for his stand on the gun registry here though, he wants to abolish it)
          And Canada’s socialist system is beginning to unravel fairly quickly which is evidenced by it’s failing crown jewel…national medicare.
          No new (Canadian) Doctors are coming into the system, it’s not worth it. Socialism always…ALWAYS fails.

  • http://msn.com Wizzer

    I really think gas prices at $5.00 plus per gallon will be a blessing in disquise. I hope it goes above that for an entire year prior to the 2012 election. People will be so ticked off, Erkel will have no chance for re-election. Gas above $5.00 per gallon will further the recession that Obama says we are no longer in and more jobs will be lost… perfect timing to get rid of a bunch of Marxists!
    I think the old adage you hear at the gym “no pain – no gain” is appropriate, another should it go the other way “you reap what you sow”. Stupid people vote for stupid leaders!

    • Conservative at Birth

      Unfotunately, there is not an intelligence test for the right to vote. I believe there should be. Then we could avoid these problems in the future.

      • Keith

        If there were an intelligence test for voters you’d lose the entire right wing. If you had to understand how the tax system works and tax exemptions hinder economic growth there goes some more. Having to understand the healthcare system in depth and what’s wrong with it, there goes some more.

        I personally feel that a test on issues should be given before a vote can be cast on that issue. I have seen many issues I refuse to vote on because I don’t feel I understand them well enough to be able to cast an intelligent vote. Unfortunately ignorant people vote the opposite of what’s in their best interest. When you vote for an issue that has a big business interest and you vote the way that business or it’s republican backers want you have just sabotaged the people and this country.

    • 45caliber

      Originally, only property owners could vote. The reason it was set that way was because property owners had reason to keep the government small and out of their business.

      It was changed to allow all males (and then all adults) to vote because the ones who wanted government aid could vote to get it.

      I think we should go back to the original idea – only property owners can vote. That would eliminate all those on welfare who vote for whomever promises them more “free” stuff every election. Most are too dumb to vote anyway.

      Or we could do as Heinlein once recommended. Allow only those who have served in the military the right to vote and run for public office. After all, they have proved that they were willing to put their lives ahead of personal goals. We don’t need politicians who put their own profits ahead of the country.

      • eddie47d

        Now now Caliber you’re getting out of hand again! Millions of Americans live in apartments so they wouldn’t be able to vote? I like it the way it is; One man/woman one vote. Should we exclude Corporate executives who steal,corporate owners who send jobs overseas,maybe cruise ship employees who are away from land for months. How about klan members or neo-nazi’s or maybe Buddhists who don’t believe in our God. This is all rather silly for we kicked out the King of England a long time ago. Almost everyone who votes cherishes their vote so I don’t like your pick and choose idea.

  • JACKIE PHILLIPS

    EVER DINCE THE OIL SHORTAGE OF 1972 WE HAVE DONE NOTHING TO GET AWAY FTOM AEAB OIL. FRANCE SAYS THEY HAVE A CLEAN NUCLEAR REACTOR. ANWAR IS UNTOUCHED. ANYTHING WE DO WILL TAKE 10 YEARS TO HAVE AN EFFECT. BOTH PARTIES HAVE BLOWN THIS ONE, I WAS TOLD THE MAIN JOB OF THE DEPT. OF ENERGU WAS KEEPING OUR NUCLEAR ARSENAL CLEAN AND DUSTED.OTHER THEN THAT I DON’TKNOW.wHAR IS DONE IN THAT HUGH BUILGING BY THE BUREAU OF STANFARDS—CAN’T BE ACCOUNTING

    • Conservative at Birth

      We do not produce electricy with oil. Sorry to bust your bubble. Electric automobiles are a pipe dream, and require mass amounts of Lithium to power the bateries. Do you have any idea what a Lithium batteries for an automobile costs? An 18 Volt lithium battery for a power tool with and average of 2.8 AMP hours with a life of 2000 cycles (times you can recharge it) costs on the Average $ 95.00.

      • WayneT

        Conservative at Birth, you said this, “We do not produce electricity with oil”. If this is true, what turns the generators, and, or the motors to produce electricity? It would have to be either water power, steam power, which is made by coal, or oil, wind, or some force to turn the generators to poduce the electricity. I think you are wrong about not using oil for creating electicity. Please check that out.

      • 45caliber

        Conservative:

        You are buying into their hype about electric cars.

        In 1969 a friend was loaned an experimental electric car to test. She drove a 55 mile paper route every day up and down mountains and dirt roads as well as highway. I rode in it.

        It would get 65+ mph, had a range of 300+ miles, took thirty minutes to recharge on any 110v receptical, cost her (at that time’s prices) $12.50 a month to keep it recharged, and it used 6 standard car batteries. She drove it for three years before they came back to pick it up.

        When they did she offered to buy it or a new one just like it. They told her they couldn’t sell it to her; GM had bought them out.

        So the tech for good electric cars is there. So is tech for natural gas and propane. It is even present to more than double the gas milage of your car now. But the government discourages that. They charge fuel taxes on gasoline and diesel. They can’t charge it for electricity or the other fuels since they are also used for house use. It is too easy to tap onto those to refuel. If they tried to charge those fuel rates for the house use, people couldn’t afford to heat them homes and would have fits. So they don’t want the alternate fuels to be used even though the tech is available.

        • Keith

          My wife and I are all over the next good battery only car that comes out, she drives about 1500 miles a month so we stand to eliminate the use of about 100 gallons of gasoline a month. Half of the households in the US could do with an electric car for their under 100 mile a day usages.

          That goes a long long way toward energy independence and there isn’t a thing stopping it except oil company political influence.

          California would have been mostly battery car operated and would have led the way for the rest of the country if the federal government hadn’t opposed it and opted for the supposedly preferable hydrogen fuel cars.

          Battery cars are easy to make happen and it makes more sense for the government to put subsidies and exemptions into them than it does to subsidize the oil industry.

          If you think battery cars just don’t or can’t work then you are too ignorant to know that there were several thousand on the road in California, made by GM, Toyota, and Honda. It was Federal intervention on behalf of the oil companies and auto industry that pressured the program out of existence.

          Furthermore the Federal government supported a one billion dollar subsidy for the charging station infrastructure necessary to help make the program work effectively. So when the government took the side of oil and auto industries to kill that program it wasted a billion dollars that had already been invested. That program was killed right as it was shaping up to be one of the best things that could have happened to this country economically speaking.

          • eddie47d

            The Koch Brothers own large swatches of the American landscape when it comes to coal and oil. They are conservative darlings so no one will budge off the oil addiction. They influenced the California and Wisconsin elections so they are certain to keep us on coal and oil. No matter how hard we push for a variety of alternatives they have us over a barrel. The fight will be long and hard and certainly not easy but well worth it. We have to keep plugging away for the world is rapidly taking over our advancements and creating new ones of their own.

    • 45caliber

      Jackie:

      The DOE inspects any patent or application to build something that will reduce energy use. In fact, they will tell you that they will provide up to $250,000 grants to anyone who can do that.

      However, their real program is to insure that the government fuel taxes, among other things, remains or grows rather than shrinks as you buy less fuel. The politicians can’t have their tax base go down, can they?

  • Conservative at Birth

    What exactly are the alternatives to oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power? Have any of you really investigated the costs associated with solar and wind? How do you propose that people travel to their jobs and heat and cool their homes? Are you aware that wind turbines kill birds by the thousands, and disturb wildlife and human habitat? Obama promised that energy costs would neccessarily sky rocket if he was elected President. Have you looked and your electric bills lately, price of gas, or the price of food? His promises have been met. Have your salaries and earnings increased enough to maintain your lifestyle? Or, is your standard of living in decline? Is this the Totalitarian Socialists Nightmare you hoped for? If so, you are my mortal enemy!!!!!!!!!

    • Keith

      Conservative doesn’t have to mean ignorant and closed minded, although it often does.

      You need to look up the project that Warren Buffet is starting up that will provide power to homes in several states. He’s doing it in stages, as one stage comes online it generates the revenues that help pay for the next stages, thereby what would take ten billion will take several less because it’s paying for it’s own development.

      Nuclear does not work like that, a ten billion dollar reactor will cost more like 18 billion which destroys it’s ability to come close to being profitable during it’s lifespan. It’s obsolete and unprofitable before it ever gets finished.

      Small cities and communities are buying large wind generators to lower their energy costs, successfully I might add.

      Ignorant fools spout rhetoric about how alternatives do not work without having a clue about whether they do or not. Home solar systems make a dramatic reduction in how much power is used from the grid by that household.

      A heavy government supported push with only funds currently going to oil companies and ethanol subsidies toward battery cars would cut oil use by multiples in a very short period, way less than a decade. That decrease in gasoline use would equate to a surplus of heating oil and oil for electricity. There is nothing wrong with that conversion as long as the industry cleans it up with existing technology.

      • eddie47d

        Solar is one home or business at a time and it can be a slow process to get folks to change over. It does wholly or partially take that home or business off the main grid and allows more energy for someone else. That is a savings for this nation and a big plus for that homeowner. We all win.

  • 45caliber

    The Mid-East oil reserves USED TO BE a third of the world. Now, with their reserves down to about 15%, that is no longer true. Further, a number of new discoveries, such as in Alaska, Montana, the Gulf, etc. has changed that. If the oil shale is included (and it should be) we have more oil in the US than the rest of the world’s known reserves put together. Odd that we can’t drill and use it.

  • http://msn.com Wizzer

    Relax CharlesB hyperbole will get you no where…
    If what you said is really true Obama and his Greenies along with the state run media would be using that as an excuse not to drill. Nobody is avocating that we sacrifice or compromise our water, air or wild life in order to get natural reasources. That’s just like all the nay sayers that want nothing to do with nuclear power. Let’s get real… nothing in this world is perfect, sometimes accidents or mistakes can and will be made. We take every precaution to limit those mishaps. Over 40K people die every year here in the United States due to automobile accidents. I don’t hear anyone saying we should all stop driving, do you?

    • Bruce D.

      At least that many die from over dose of drugs in hospitals. One time I saw a chart of statistics on causes of death. Quite a few people die from falling down. If I remember correctly it was more than what died from firearms.

      • Bruce D.

        Maybe Congress can pass a law making it illegal to fall as it seems to be very dangerous.
        Leading the top ten common causes of accidental deaths are Car Crashes with over with 43,200 fatalities every year. Next on the list is Accidental Falls with over 14,900 fatalities every year.
        Coming in third place is accidental Poisonings with over 8,600 fatalities a year. Fourth place goes to accidental Drowning, over 4,000 people drown accidently every year.

        The drowning can occur by boats, swimming, bathing, or just playing in a pool. The fifth most common cause of accidental deaths is Fires and Burns, with over 3,700 fatalities occurring each year.
        The sixth cause of accidental deaths is Suffocation, with over 3,300 fatalities a year. The seventh cause is Accidental Shootings with over 1,500 fatalities a year.
        The eighth cause is Gas Poisoning with over 700 fatalities a year. Surgical and Medical Complications are the ninth cause of accidental deaths with over 500 fatalities a year.

      • WayneT

        I agree, Bruce. It is only a cop out.

        • eddie47d

          Bruce; I’m not sure how you equate human accidents such as swimming,boating,poisonings,fires and falling with diliberate actions from anyone. If oil companies fail to put the right valve on it’s equipment and knowingly ignores the problem then that is more than a human error. If natural gas drillers knowingly pour chemicals in the ground and it contaminates someones well water or a whole river system then that is more than a human error or an accident. You can’t stop someone who falls down the stairs(especially with bad knees) but you can stop chemicals from being used that are known to cause harm.

    • CharlesB

      No hyperbole, Wizzer. Just, harsh reality. And, this isn’t about mistakes. It’s about a bad process. Bad technology.

    • eddie47d

      Wizzer; of coarse no one should stop driving because of an accident. Accidents are a human failing which we are always trying to improve upon. Safer cars and better driving instructions have improved drivers skills and avoiding injury. Now we have texting and cell phones which brings the accident average back up. Life is always changing and not always for the better.

  • Mike

    The logic of liberals…

    * It’s okay to drill in someone else’s backyard but not our own

    * Petty thieves go to jail but it’s okay for the government to rob us blind

    * Pass judgement on just about everything but turn a blind eye when the president cheats on his wife and lies about it

    • 45caliber

      One of the main reasons Clinton isn’t in jail is that the liberals believe “it would be an embarressment to our country if other countries realized we had a criminal in the White House.”

      • Jovianus

        Errr…45…hate to tell youthis but one of the main reasons Clinton isn’t in jail is because after hundreds of millions of dollars and Gestapo tactics, even Starr’s Inquisition couldn’t find anything to indict him on.

        I am totally flummoxed though on why Bush II and Cheney haven;t been put to the World Court for war crimes nor been indicted here for the crimes they committed here in the US

        • 45caliber

          The World Court insists that they are the rulers of all countries on the planet. Congress passed a law about twenty years ago that stated that if they attempted to try any American for any of their so-called crimes, it would be an act of war and we would go to war with them. They haven’t tried such things. Besides, from everything I saw Bush and Cheney do, there isn’t any grounds from a criminal trial except in the minds of liberals who are making up the laws as they go.

    • Christopher

      Cheating on the first lady is one thing,Going to war on false info.and costing lives,well you figure it out

  • mark

    Nationalize all the oil companies. Let’s try it. The oil companies are selling Alaska oil to Japan. There should be a law that all oil produced and drilled in the USA can only be sold in the USA

    • Bruce D.

      Good idea Mark. Let’s become a communist nation. Let’s give Obama another four more years and you may get your wish.

    • WayneT

      No, no, no, Mark. We don’t need Obama and Reid completely controlling tdhe oil in this country. This is our problem now. We need to take this away from the Feds. We need good old fashioned competition which the govenment has taken away from us.

    • 45caliber

      mark:

      Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae should be enough of a reason to not have the government take over oil. Several of their “directors” have made hundreds of millions of dollars being appointed to those positions.

      The Mexican government does run all their oil. The appointed director there became the richest man in the world after five years as CEO. He even beats out Bill Gates. I would tend to believe that our enterprising Congressmen could figure out how to beat those records if they could be appointed by their friend the President as head of US oil.

      • eddie47d

        That richest man is Carlos Slim of Mexico.

  • http://com i41

    The statement of the middle east having 2/3s of oil reserve supply is pure bs. The only way that can have any validity is if all the wilderness and federral lands are taken out of use. It is the smucks in Washington that control the info. Very few people, even Congress, know about the worlds largest uraium mine as been sold to China. It is located over by Casper Wyo. Instead of putting Americans back to work on energy jobs and selling Chinese the finish product, no we sold the farm to the yellow porkers. Must be a dumbocrap thing, Whorehound Clinton sold our San Fram Naval Base to the Chinese. If you clowns think you will get a info load from the internet search, the info is years old. You will not find the info about the expansion of the Williston-Bakken Basin last Nov. At Sturgis SD oil wells that were opened up at 850 ft dept. It keeps expanding and growing even bigger, This Basin was discovered in 1952 and nothing happened even thought there was several oilwells sitting with the valves shut off. The government make more off of taxes than oil companies make in profit. That is a fact released last week, when the beltway idoits think taxing everyone would balance the budget. If the drills are bringing in a product to put on the market the money multiplarer goes into effect. Permitting and studies before anything is done cost companies mllions, if approved the site prep and all the equipment being transported all need permits and road taxes collected go to different states as well as the truck drivers need to eat and sleep somewhere, and still no drillling yet. Then the big cost of bringing in drilling rig with even more expensive permits even if man camps are used drillers will rent tracts of rooms to house workers.When the well is put in more truck loads of equipment and supples are brought in. The pipeline to sell ourcrude on the open market was stopped in Sept by the jug eared purple lippped muslim and the unelected EPA. It would have employed over a 100,000 people and more as the project got moving, all high paying jobs. When Onumnutts and the dems took over control of energy plans, thousands lost jobs, any thing not approved by the envior slubs was dead. Then came the stimulas money wasting plan, but 138 billion went to China for the windmill crap, most went to the Wall Street rump buddies of the democraps party, why wasn’t jobs created and wasn’t it used here? It must be because the marxist/communist democrat socialist party are doing what the Nazi Traitor George Soros wants it done this way. The democrat lap pooches sure didn’t restrict Soros, the mega hedge fund member. Who got free rein to continue manulipating the markets on commodities, wheather oil or food. So if you like less money in your pockets and now are getting leaps in prices you pay for everything you buy. Thank the soros socialist democrat a rump buddy of the marxist muslim moron in the WH. Since the dems will not use the Stansbury facts of the over 2 trillion barrels of crude in the Rocky MTs of the big pool in NM,AZ,and UT where the last refinery was permitted in 1978. But was hamstrung by “law suits” of the seria club in bed with the Carter Admin. on the permiss of rare jumping rat studies for years, in a few years it was discovered the rats range was from up in Canada all the way to Mexico. Dumbocraps are always in a drug induced faggot fog and can not see facts.

    • WayneT

      I41, this is just another way for Obama to ruin the country that we live in, and the folks are giving him the green light to do it..

    • WayneT

      We also know that this is done for only a priviliged few. Most of the population does not get to enjoy any of this. Down with Obama and his Zombies in 2012. I can’t say this enough; fire Obama, and get rid of his zombies in Washington DC, and our problems would definately subside. To only name a few of the main one; Pelosi, Reid, Rangel, Waters, and several others. Cut the head off the snake with firing Senator Reid would certainly help, but his stupid constituents put him back in the last election for another 6 years.

    • http://none BruMan

      Right on i41, right on. There’s plenty of oil on shore without going off shore. Throw in natural gas, coal, nukes, we should be exporting energy from this country

      • WayneT

        I think that folks who are against drilling for oil should lose their driving priviledges for one year. Just think without oil we would have to go back to farming with horses, driving on unpaved roads, and many other products that is made from oil products. Remember, it takes equipment that uses oil to make concrete, so please don’t throw that back at me. I think we would also lose our ability to generate electricity as this also uses equipment that lose oil. Gosh, just this think, we could go back into the 1800′s again, no compouters, no lights, no automobiles to pollute the air and so many other things. OK folks, who is for not drilling, beside greenpeace? Most of them are a bunch of idiots anyway.

        • eddie47d

          You try and use the same philosophy as you do with guns. “Liberals don’t want Any drilling”? We say, Drill but drill responsibly. “Liberals want to take away your guns”? We say defend the 2nd Amendment but have responsible controls over those weapons. I’m stating to think we are the moderates and some of you are the extremists.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Wayne T.
    What the hell is wrong with the American People? They can`t be this stupid. I know Obama gets about 98% of the main media support. No
    wonder college grads can`t find jobs, their main course`s are being built around, how to be more stupid than the next guy. Higher education,is just a carry over from our grade and high schools. By the time someone gets a,master or PHD, they are so stupid by then, they are brain dead.

    • WayneT

      Charles, like I said in an earlier post, the schools kids of today are brainwaished from the time they enter kindergarter. Their parents have been brainwashed before them. It is a vicious cycle which repeats itself over and over again. I liken it to a computer stuck in a mode of continually rebooting itself over, and over again. We need to start all over again with the way we educate our children, and bring them up to be more responsible, but that would take at least one, or two generations to do. The bulk of the irresponsible generation we have now really had its start back in the early fifties, and it really kicked off in the sixties. In tis group are the Jane Fonda’s, John Kerry, William Ayers and the thousands more that we have. It is too late for them now so we need to go back and undo it, but I feel that is is too late now.

    • 45caliber

      One of the main reasons that the students in the US rank behind those of other countries is that they are taught a lot of other things than the main subjects. In some classes the other things are the main classes.

      For instance, even in kindergarten, kids are taught environmentalism. They are taught about social rights, gay acceptance, racial acceptance, sex, etc. throughout grade school and high school. There isn’t enough time to spend learning things like math, science, English, history, and civics. Indeed, civics is no longer even taught since it teachs them their rights as an American citizen, something that they don’t want them to know. After all, their rights come from the government, right?

      When they get to college this continues except in a more controlled situation. Their professors are almost all liberal and many are communist. These are the things that are emphasized.

      So it is no wonder our youth aren’t as well educated as students in other countries. Their students don’t have to take all these extra classes that many teachers consider far more important.

      • skip

        Absolute nonsense!

  • Affinity

    Acerbic fiction for Ditto Heads and deranged dogma are the stuff of this site.

  • jopa

    wasadoc;Your claim of having started building refineries 13 years ago they would be in operation today.I would have to doubt that they would be in operation.There is a huge refinery in New Jersey that was shut down last summer supposedly due to weak demand on fuel and heating oil.I believe it was just another tactic to keep the prices high.

  • Jay

    Bob, it seems clear to me, that the (WMD) weapons of mass destruction are to be found here, and in the form of our present Administration. The two pieces of legislation introduced by Lisa Murkowski, (R-Alaska), to increase domestic oil production, although a no brainer, I agree, as you do, will not pass. Perhaps, by further sweetening the pot, so as to appease the greens, may work, but I have my doubts. Extracting the corrupted, univocally visioned moles out of the administration, and replacing them with honest and true Americans, should be, the first and critical step. The second step, would be to engage in a more comprehensive and open public discourse with respect to the issue of this so-called, anthropogenically caused, global warming.
    The indoctrination applied by the greens on our youth, and for anyone else susceptible to their propaganda, is, in my opinion, nothing short of abuse. The voices of thousands of scientists, all expert in the field of climatology, seem conveniently suppressed, and never heard. That in itself, should raise serious concerns. It seems democracy is never applied, except in theory.

  • 45caliber

    A little history on oil:

    When it was first discovered as a way to use oil for autos, the oil companies began to drill everywhere. But the owners of the land the oil was under began to insist on being paid for it. So the oil companies went to Congress and had a law passed that restricted the well-head price of oil in the US to $6.25 a barrel. Please note that cost.

    A few years later, when oil began to be pumped from the South (primarily from Texas) to the North for heating fuel Congress passed a fixed price for oil and natural gas that crossed state lines. At the same time they set a maximum of 10% profit margin for oil companies to get on any stage of development of an oil product. This meant that the oil companies get a 10% profit on oil prices at well-head. Since the oil in the Mid-east now costs over $100 a barrel, there is a LOT more profit in a 10% increase on that base price than on the base price as set in the US.

    For many years the price of oil in the state of origin (Texas, LA, etc) was as much as five times more than what New England paid for it. When an oil field was discovered off the Mass. coast about 25 years ago, the Mass. Senator went to Congress and had a law passed that restricted drilling there for it. When asked his reason, unofficially, he stated that if they drilled there, the people in Mass. would have to pay the same price for oil as the people in Texas. He would only allow it to be drilled when Texas ran out – and then he’d get the prices changes such that Mass. would still get their price breaks and Texas would continue to pay the more expensive costs.

    To get around the 10% maximum profit, the oil companies buy their oil in one country (Mideast now) and ship it across the ocean to another. The oil, when it leaves the 12 mile limit, is sold to a holding company in Hong Kong. (Supposedly that places the holding company at fault if the ship sinks. However, the holding company is seldom more than a rented office with a couple of people there. They can move in an hour.) Hong Kong is the only place in the world that does not require public disclosure of ownership of a company. When it reaches the 12 mile limit of its destination it is “bought” back from the holding company. The real profits are based on this price rather than well-head price.

    When the oil first started flowing in Alaska, there was a big argument about where to take it. At first it was to be piped through Canada to the US. The oil companies insisted that that would be dangerous as Canada could reroute the oil to themselves. Then it was to be brought by ship down the coast, primarily in barges along the Intercoastal passage. They decided to not do that because it remained within the 12 mile limit by insisting there was no refinery capacity in California to take that oil. And the environmentals insisted that no more refineries in the US be made. So all that oil now goes to Japan for refining and is then brought to the US – and is sold TWICE to the holding companies.

    At present the oil companies are drilling in many places including near me. But all wells are capped and no oil is pumped. Some natural gas is used. The idea is that when (not if) we lose our mid-east oil access we can pump immediately – or in advent of war. They also want to use foreign oil because – as one oil man told me – they spent a lot of money developing that oil and want to get as much return on investment as they can before they lose it.

    • eddie47d

      Hey Caliber; Are you talking about the same Hong Kong that Dave H. likes to brag about in being an honest capitalistic “country”?

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Sabotaged, this is a great word,Not only has Obama sabotaged our energy programs, he has tryed to harm our way of life in so many
    ways. People seam to forget what he said. I will starting tomorrow,
    to transform America and spread the wealth.

  • http://com i41

    .45, we are shipping crude to Canada in ND to refine it and they take 25% and sellit back to us. As for a shut down refinery in NJ according to jopa is another case of democrap stupidity. Washington dems claim diesel cost so much is because of heating oil needs. Diesel is the most cheapist fuel to use, it only has to be heated to over 200 degrees to form #2. The high costs fuel is because of Soros speculations since we are awash in oil. Why do you think the Other countries are using diesel powered vehicles, the refinery costs are nil compared to gas. When fuel costs climb, freight costs for food will really hit home in a month or so.So be sure and than brain dead bastards that vote for envior crap and who put the marxist muslim moron in office. Asd atruck driver said while fueling up said if you find a democrat jackass that voted for this niggardly marxist muslim, take a tire thumper to their empty skulls.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with all you said. In fact, I believe that much of the price problems now are fake. Most companies I know about set up long term contracts to minimize price fluxuations such as what we see on oil prices now. I believe that a lot of the problems is that the oil companies are buying their oil at cheap prices and then reselling it on the world market before buying it back again. That gives them even more profits since it isn’t covered by the 10% profit margin Congress gives them.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    People quit lining up at places that want to buy your gold.This is one of the most stupid things you can do, is sell your gold at this time. I won`t say it, but look who is buying your gold. Wise up, gold is going to go much higgher in the next few years.

  • Gary

    I have seen a lot of finger pointing and blaming going on about our current situation. There is plenty of blame to go around and it isn’t just the Democrats or President Obama that are the villains in all this. There is also the environmentalist and animal rights groups who seem to do everything possible to end life as we know it. Their leaders are making a bundle in all this and laughing all the way to the bank. It’s true that one of Obama’s campaign promises was to be open for domestic oil exploration and production. He was doing nothing that every other presidential candidate hasn’t done. He was telling people what they wanted to hear. Once he was elected he quickly forgot about it. We also can’t forget the Republicans in all this. From 1995 to the end of 2006 the Republicans controlled the House and Senate. By 2001 up to 2007 they controlled the House, Senate and the White House. It seems to me that there was plenty of time to put through something to open US oil production and and sponsor some serious research into alternate forms of energy. If they worked hard enough they could have pushed something through just like the Democrats shoved OBAMA Care down our throats. They dropped the ball when it was in their court. Now our dependence on foreign oil is constantly going up and we are forced to do business with China, Venezuela and other countries who want to destroy us economically. Does anyone remember when gas was up to $4.00 per gallon and quickly went down when President Bush announced that he was going to lift the ban on US oil production and off-shore drilling? If memory serves the Environmentalists and the Animal Rights groups were screaming bloody murder. We should be the ones building refineries and drilling because we know how to do it safer, more efficiently and cleaner. If the Environmentalists and Animal Rights people are actually sincere about protecting the world environment, why aren’t they going to China, Venezuela and the Arab countries and work on making them conform to a clean environment? My guess is that they would be put against the wall and shot or mysteriously disappear. Time to wake up America. Instead of finger pointing lets get to work on doing something about our situation. There was a time when the American people would put aside their differences and work together to solve major problems. That is how we were on the winning side in two world wars and how we made this country great. I hope we haven’t become a nation of sheep. I am reminded of what Edward R. Murrow said many years ago. “A country of sheep will soon be ruled by a government of wolves.” I’m sure there are people who will shoot down everything I have said. These are just my opinions and I am grateful to live in a country where I can express my views without fear of repercussions.

    • 45caliber

      The only “alternate” forms of energy are those that either are too expensive to install or are still in the design stages. Trust me, if there is something in the design stages, it is financed and it doesn’t need high oil prices to do it.

      The alternate forms of energy the Green people are pushing are impractical and expensive. Both wind and solar power are not free; they are expensive. Further they take up a lot of surface area – land that could be used for something else. I once saw an estimate that to produce enough energy from solar power in Penn. they would need over 6000 square miles of land bulldozed flat and kept clear of everything else. And, as the author stated, the Green people wouldn’t allow that much forest, etc. to be cleared and leveled.

      There are some forms that are starting to be designed that look good. But they won’t be available for ten to twenty more years – if they are allowed to be built at all. Take nuclear power, for instance. It is the safest type of power we now have and is available. France is basically energy sufficient due to building those plants. But it is almost impossible to get the government to allow them here. Why?

      So until the other forms of energy generation are available, we need to use what we have. The last I heard, between coal, oil, natural gas, and nuclear energy, we have enough sorces for several thousand years. We should use it while we develop the rest.

      Or is it that there are people who hope to keep it unused so their children can have access to it when our children no longer exist?

  • http://PERSONALBLBERTYDIGEST JNCSMOM

    When are we going to stop blaming previous presidents for everything?? We all know we have problems. Putting the blame on somebody is not going to solve these problems. We need to stop worrying about the past and concentrate on solutions for our future. I don’t care who put us in this mess – I care about how we’re going to to clean it up. Quit bitching and lets work on getting it fixed. Quit worrying about what’s going on in the mid-east. If they want to kill each other – let them have at it. Let’s concentrate on OUR country. Get rid of Obama, bring home our troops – put them on our borders, get all these illegals out of here, open up our drilling – lets get independent of all these other countries, get out of the United Nations, help the other countries only with natural disasters – it’s not our place to completely rebuild these places, and look out for our own – feed, shelter and take care of our own – we have way too many homeless. THIS IS OUR AMERICA – LET’S TAKE IT BACK!!!!

    • 45caliber

      But if we do all that, how will our politicians be able to become world leaders? Don’t you want our leaders to be the ones who decide on who gets what resources in the future?

      Actually, I agree with you. But I don’t see it being done with any of hte existing long-term politicians now in power.

    • Gary

      You are right about the senseless blaming of former and present presidents. Another group of people who are also to blame are the, over 50% of, people that are eligible to vote but don’t. Their reasons vary. I have heard “I don’t vote so you can’t blame me for the problems we have in this country.” “It doesn’t do any good to vote because the elections are rigged anyway.” My favorite: “I don’t like either candidate so I’m not voting.” The people who refuse to vote deserve the government they get and they have no room to complain about the mess we are in. To those who refuse to vote I have one thing to say to you. If you wake up one day and find out that a minority of voters have voted all your rights away, don’t come crying to me about it. I will have only one thing to say to you. Where were you when there was still tome to do something about it?

  • Restless_Native

    Look back to Kissinger and thank him for the depenceny we have to arab oil. We agreed to buy their oil in trade for their investment in our national debt. This is dollars are the denomination oil has been traded in for decades… this is why the chaos is brewing in the mid-east, we are on the verge of the dollar collapsing, the mideast investment in our debt will be a lost fortune for them, and they are furious. We haven’t tapped our reserves because this was all planned long ago. Iran, the third largest oil field after SA, and Iraq, funny we topped that one huh? Doesn’t use dollars to sell it’s oil, and does not allow dollars to enter it’s country.

    Wonder why we are so pissed at Iran? It’s becasue if they were to flood the market with oil, our dollar would be destroyed, and then our allies in the region would loose their fortunes invested in our treasuries.

    Since 1974 the US Dollar has lost 91.33333% of it’s purchasing power. Think about that! Our dollar today is worth 8.7 cents, comparatively.. My prediction is for dollar collapse by 2012. Fueled by unrest in the arab world, Collapse of the Euro… and then the US Dollar.

    There will still be plenty of food and items on the shelves at wal-mart, direct from China, but no one will be able to afford to buy them. China has just become Russia’s largest customer for oil, not sold in US Dollars BTW, but in Yuan to Rubles. neither of them will be effected… and we are heading to Third World Status.

    This is the time when the “Basket of World Currency” will officially replace the Dollar to back the real currency of the world which is oil.

    ENTER the One World Currency.

    Game Over.

  • JeffH
    • WayneT

      Good article, JeffH. Thanks.

  • Laura

    The EPA needs to be destroyed

  • T.L.

    I disagree with $150 a barrel oil by Fall. It would not surprise me if it is here by the 4th of July. Gaslines, they will probably be here by Fall, if we are lucky. I think it is time to charge some people with Gross Treason for their mismanagement of our energy situation. A televised execution of these “tree-huggers” and “globalists” on national TV upon conviction would send the message. If you are a public official, you take care of America FIRST, all your foriegn lackeys and special interests can go where the sun don’t shine. We are losing our soveriegnty to a bunch of idiots who only live for the golden stars on their spelling tests.
    We as a nation need to wake up to the fact that we need ADULTS, not grown CHILDREN in the halls of power. Adults see a problem and solve it, children run down the hall and cry. Sounds like Washington D.C. Ehh. As far as I am concerned, it has become my opinion that our nation’s energy policy has been handled like a “high school prom issue” for too long. If we are to handle the energy situation right, we must treat it for what it is, a war on our way of life. This means we must do EVERYTHING to promote OUR energy future. This means drilling for oil everywhere we may have it. Expanding our refining capacity when necessary and developing alternative fuels along the way. However, we will not get to the solar roof panel and cheap electric car if we are in a Depression and are begging for mercy from Al Quedarabia, China and the Zetas. Which is where we are headed as we speak. If we don’t do what that D.C. officer reminded Admiral Nimitz of in the 1976 movie “Midway”, we will not have to worry. Admiral Nimitz had a plan, and he carried it out. Today we don’t have a clue and that D.C. officer is more worried about how much shade we must have by the courthouse instead of doing his duty. Reminding all in our government that the right course is to take care of the “Homefolks First”.

  • lovemycountry

    Our country has lost prestige BIG TIME since obummer has taken over the WH. Bowing to Muslim rulers to start with. The POTUS should NEVER show subserviance to ANY ruler….HE makes me barf.

  • T.L.

    Lovemycountry, that is the Problem, Obummer forgot WHAT he is to uphold and protect. He has forgotten the fact that when you are the POTUS, you serve and BOW to the AMERICAN PEOPLE, not all these foriegn despots who would rather piss on the flag and burn our Constitution like their financed lackeys are already doing. Of course you will disagree with the order of events on the Flag and Constitution. Thats alright, at my podium YOU STILL HAVE THAT RIGHT, so go to it.

  • circle8

    The intent of this Marxist Muslim in the white house is to destroy the USA and make it dependent on the arab nations. Plain and simple. He hates the western nations as does the radical Muslim Brotherhood he wants to run Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and any other country he can help destroy. The MB’s goal is to destroy physically the USA and Israel. President Marxist is doing all he can to help them achieve that goal. He is being assisted by the AG. Did you know the Department of Justice has removed the American flag from their website and replaced it with a saying by an Anti American of the 1930′s?

    Check out http://www.justice.gov/

    • JorgeArbusto

      You lost me a “Marxist”…let me know when you decide to take the time to educate yourself on Marxism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Then we can try to have a civil conversation.

  • lovemycountry

    I’m sorry to say it but the way things are going right now the US is headed for another civil war. The gun banners are controlling most of our government to take away that right and ability to defend our country…and there are MANY of us who will die first. The muslim in the WH and his ilk would love to see the US disarmed——just as criminals prefer unarmed victims. If the people do not wise up QUICKLY, there will be bloodshed, and I’m NOT proud to say that. I spent 20 yrs in the service to my country am 70 yrs old and infirmed but by god I can still squeeze a trigger.

  • JorgeArbusto

    In the absolutist world you people live in, this rant would make sense.

  • Raggs

    obama stinks so bad maggots run away from him.

  • lovemycountry

    maggots do mmmmmmm…… what does that say about his advocates???

    • Raggs

      I was deer hunting one time and I found a dead cow in a paster. it had been there for several days maybe even a week… To my surprize the stomach was moving ( it was bloated )… I picked up a large limb and threw it at the dead cow… Out ran obama’s advocates.. A opossum that was feeding off of the flesh of the dead.

      • eddie47d

        Raggs; You are becoming weirder by the day.

        • Raggs

          Oh so now you’re trying to be funny :)…. weird is funny as funny is weird… Just ask obama…

  • jopa

    i41; aka Bill; What you said about diesel is true but what I said about the refinery in New Jersey is also true.I called you Bill because I think I know you.Is your real name Bill Goat or as some say Billie.

  • lovemycountry

    hee hee hee—-AKA billie-bad-ass in younger days

  • Dee

    You can’t tell obummer anything. He thinks he knows it all.
    He’s never had a job where he had to generate a job. He just got a paycheck from the corrupt acorn.

  • Bruce Barron

    Obama has us right where he wants us.Stuart Varney asked Hannity whether Obama understood the grave situation we are in.Of course he does.He has caused and it is part of his agenda which is to destroy this country and it should be self evident by now to everyone.

    Suncor is a great company.

    We have so much oil in our country that we could drown Saudi Arabia.And think of the work it would produce just in the oil and natural gas fields and what it would add to our economy.I wouldn’t make one concession to the environmentalists or green energy sources or solar panels.

    • eddie47d

      That’s your loss.

      • WayneT

        WE need a good educated Conservative Leader to come forward to guide the misguided Americans. This leader should let the people know the truth about our government, and how they are screwing each and everyone of us. We need a person that can get the masses of people together, enegize them, and hopefully convince these misguided folks how to vote in 2012 to clean up Congress and this administration.

  • craig Sacramento CA

    The Democratic party has been an unending litany of corruption and incompetence for many decades now and indeed Obama is their crowning achievement with its formula of far left gangster government. If we fail to flush the Democrats in 2012, our country will crumble before our eyes and we will settle into meaningless irrelevant obscurity! Just another crappy third world dictatorship! Is that really what we want?? I hope and pray that this isn’t so!

    • WayneT

      If we could get rid of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Charles Rangel, John Kerry & Maxine Waters we wold be on a good start. I can’t believe Pelosi and Reid cold ever make it again. I am certainly glad I don’t live aound the idiots that voted these two back in.

  • http://com i41

    Bruce Barron, in Nov 2010, Geithner signed off on licensing to let Russia own our uranium mines, which is headquartered in Moscow. Even though Reps. had raised concerns about foreign ownership of materials that could be used against Americans, no hearing were held when it was first brought out about Russia intntions in Oct 2010. Think the enviors and green nut jobs worry about USA security, no way, they are all marxist/communists dipocrap socialists amd their money man George Soros told them to approve it for closer ties to Russia. Onumnutts and Vlad probably had a close get together. Vlad has always shown a proclivity for slender queers, check pictures of his aides.

  • Rob D

    Call me an conspiracy nut, but i think our government sold us down the road along time a go with the starting of the federal reserve and has bartered the rights to most if not all of the energy reserves tapped or untapped this country has. they do not tell us of this as we would be outraged and revolt so they lie to us. President B Huessien O (is that the correct spelling) is just another puppet on a string.

  • gofer

    Don’t spend big money on an electric car. You will be able to buy one on e-bay soon, cheap. People don’t want electric cars. Last month’s total EV sales were 351. The nissan leaf ran out of juice at 28 miles when test driven by a reporter in NY. Something to do with the cold weather. He had to have it towed.

    Govt. can’t mandate markets. The EV’s were not driven by markets, but by Obama’s repayment to the greenies. It will be a total flop, no matter the price of gas, which will come down when consumation drops.

    • Kinetic1

      gofer,
      So all we have to do to lower oil prices is stop having sex?

    • WayneT

      Gofer, I certainly don’t want one. Give me the car that uses gasoline and let the drilling begin, now!!!!

  • Sweetie

    Obummer…Is nothing but a Lieing Scum and ‘ Trader ‘

    ” JACK OF ALL SPADES ”

    Wanna Be ” JOKER ” that he is…

    ” OBUMMER GO BOOM “!!!

    • Robert Barnes

      Gee, A real grown up reply! Think about it, who is profitting from higher oil prices. The very rich! The top 2% of the country own 98% of the wealth and the middle class pays all the taxes. if I had my way there would be a total redistribution of the wealth in this country by letting the top 2% pay all the taxes for once. But they are a cunning bunch by creating imagined problems. Personally I don’t care what a women does with her body, I don’t care what religion someone is, I do care about my fellow man though. I care about those that need help, I care about those that came into this world helpless and remained that way their entire life. I don’t believe in taking from them to make the rich richer. The cost of Bush’s war is over a Trillion dollars now that’s almost three thousand dollars for each and every man woman and child in the US. Of course since the middle class pays most all the taxes that ends up being five thousand dollars for each and every man woman and child, but then again the middle 60% income ranges from $16,000 to %75,000 a year. So what have you learned from this. You Sweetie, I doubt anything!

      • Raggs

        Personally I don’t care what a women does with her body, I don’t care what religion someone is, “I do care about my fellow man though”.

        Are you by chance in the military bert?
        The line at the end of the comment you made above…. I put it into a
        quotation for you…

        Oh BTW what are you going to do when you suck off of the so called rich until they are broke and you have nothing to eat but your own shit?

        • skip

          Raggs – for goodness sake, try to communicate in something other than expletives and nonsense, or we’ll get nowhere.

          The rich that ought to be paying their freight aren’t those who made something good for us and our society, like Microsoft, INtel, Qualcomm, Google; but not those greedy moneychangers on Wall Street who dip their hand in the pot as the money passes by, or who sell us poison and laugh about it. Those are the guys who should be jailed for wrecking our economy, but instead, during these horrible last two years for the 98% of us who don’t have access to their wealth or means of ripping us off, they made the most monehy for themselves ever – and not for doing one decent thing for any of the rest of us. But the Republicans and presumably the Tea Party want them to go unfettered to gut the rest of the nation. It is their s–t, Raggs, that we are forced to eat. You’d better get your brain screwed on straight.

  • DunBitchin’

    Whatever Happened To Common Sense?

    OK, gas is going up again due to unrest in the Middle East. Whatever the reason, we have all been to this party before…higher fuel prices. But what can we do as individuals to reduce this threat and lower demand for fuel?

    There is a connection between highway speeds and fuel demand, and reducing our highway speed to 55 mph will save us from 20% to 50% of our fuel costs. This goes for 18 wheelers as well as your pickup, sedan, or sports car. (go to http://www.drive55.org) In fact, the most efficient speed for a vehicle is 35 mph – but that’s an awfully long trip to Denver or SLC.

    I travel from my small town to a small city and back a lot. Long ago, I reduced my speed to 55 mph. It simply made sense. I saved around 25% of my fuel costs without doing anything else. Besides, it makes me feel better that I’m taking responsibility rather than blaming the government or the oil companies or the speculators – we have power too.

    Consequently, when you all pass me on the freeway at 70 or 75 mph, and wonder, “Why is that guy going so slow?!” It’s because I want to save on that $3.20 gas.

    If we all thought about it, and reduced our speeds, the price of our limited supply of oil would go down, there would be fewer devastating accidents, our savings accounts would grow, and I believe we would learn to be a bit more calm in this world of tumultuous events. Isn’t that just common sense?

    • WayneT

      DunBitchin, like I said in my other post, if gasoline coninues to $5.00, or more per gallon, you will see the people rise up, and let Congress, and our administratio know that we are fed up. If this happens you sill see some reluctance of the government at first, but if the folks keeps the pressure up, the government will allow more drilling. I doubt whether they will allow the price of gasoline get much more than $4.00 per gallon for this very reason. Everyone needs to contact their Congress Members, and demand that the EPA relax their rules, and permit more drilling here.

      • DunBitchin’

        Sorry Wayne,
        I believe having “the people rise up” still gives all the power to the government and any other outfit that has an interest in oil and gas. However, if we say…”We don’t need all your damn oil.” Then the price drops and we have partial control without having to be angry. The more they want to raise prices, the less we use, the lower prices will drop. It’s just business, nothing more, nothing less.

        • WayneT

          DunBitchin, I don’t think that Congress would want to lose their job. Therefore, if the folks get mad as hell at their representatives, they will concede to the demands of their constitutents.

    • skip

      It is not the EPA that doesn’t want us to have access to european cars that are identical to ours except they get twice our mileage for the same performance – it is big oil, that wants to sell us oil and gas at the very highest price they can gouge us for, and they pay off congress to be sure we don’t get those cars. Check out congress to see who voted against mileage standards. When are you going to wake up and find out that the upper 1% own us, and we are becoming their pawns. They seem to have successfully convinced a lot of you that the government is responsible for a lot of this mess. Perhaps government is, but because government is owned by the big boys.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    I wrote on this subject before in a similar forum; but it is an important subject that labors under many false assumptions. I own and operate a small independent oil and gas company. We drill a few dozen shallow oil and gas wells every year in NW Pa. and Western N.Y.
    The oil and gas we produce is just a drop in the bucket for the Nations requirements but there are many companies similar to mine and the total ammount produced is signifigant. We provide jobs and direct and indirect monetary gain to many people and businesses in our areas of operation. Our industry is one of the very few healthy industries in this region. From start to finish we can have one of our wells producing oil and gas in about two weeks. But before I can commence any work I have to do mountains of paperwork and spend thousands of dollars to get permission to drill from the state Dept. of Enviro. Protection (DEP). Even worse it takes about 60 days to get their permission to commence work. Then after work finally does commence there is a small army of inspectors with regulatory authority monitoring everything that takes place.
    Another misconception is that oil companies set the price of their products. Oil and gas are considered world commodities and the prices are dependent on supply and demand. The actual prices are set by OPEC and commodities speculators world-wide.

    Most people like to use the terms “gouging and greedy oil companies.”
    Consider the fact that the oil companies find, extract, refine, market, and sell the oil and natural gas.
    They make approx. (15 cents) profit on a gallon of gas. The State and Federal Gvt., who does nothing but put pitfalls in the way of producers, makes about (75 cents) on every gallon of gas. Now who is the greedy gouger ?

    There are significant oil and gas reserves left in this country; much of it in the Williston Basin of North Dakota and the Marcellas Shale reserves found in much of the Appalachian Basin. America needs to be able to tap into these resources while at the same time transitioning to economically alternative fuels and weening ourselves from foreign imports. Relief from the over-burdensome gvt. bueracricies would go a long way towards helping America become energy independent.

    • WayneT

      gunner689, if the people of this great country would call their representatives and demand that they relax the rules on drilling we could see a change very quickly. If the folks would let Congress know that we are mad as hell, and we will not take it any more, you would see a change immediately. We need to vote all these idiotic Congress Members out of office that will not demand we drill here in our own country. Maybe if gasoline got to $5.00, or $6.00 per gallon, the people might just demand their government do something or fire the idiots in Congress. I see on the USGS own website where there is around 3 to 4.45 billion of recoverable oil in the Bakken region around North Dakota and Montana. Read about it here: http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911&from=rss_home This is just one place. I have also heard that this country have more oil that OPEC. We have rich oil areas in Anwar, Alaska, Mississippi and several other areas in this country. Why in the hell won’t the government lighgen up on the rules and let us drill in our own country? I am one citizen that is mad as hell at our government. Now if I could just get he others mad as I am we will get something done.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        That’s a lot of IFs. Most people in this country are sheep just waiting to be led or sheared, which ever comes first.

        I think BO’s plan is to save our oil supplies until the mooslims take over.

        • WayneT

          You are so right, gunner68. I am glad our forefathers weren’t like this, or there would have never been a United States of America. I think what caused it, is that people has had it too easy for such a long time and being independent is a shocker to them, so they just go about their merry way if as if nothing is happening. Like I said, it happened in Germany, and it can happen here too. Too many people taking everything for granted will certainly ruin this country.

  • http://com i41

    RobD, since practical all of the Williston-Bakken Basin oil feild is privately owned and easy to get to Onumnutts is still trying to out law privatte land ownership. Since Hillary sign on to small arms mandate of the UN and Onumnutts beleives we all should be under UN guidance. The world plan of banning all private land ownership in 2007, Onumnutts will and has been trying to executive order and seizure of private land ownership. Try and get any Congressinal dnks to answer whyh we don’t hear a damn word from any of them, no matter what party. When you get supposedly answers from the slubs, call their offices and rip some azz to tell the staffs what you realy wanted them to say to the elected idoits.

    • skip

      If it is a lot of oil and easy to get to, BIG OIL won’t touch it because it would cause a dramatic decrease in the cost of oil and gas, and BIG OIL would lose big. Nope, if it is n’t drilled, it is the oil companies that don’t want it tapped.

  • chuckb

    gunner689. i know people in the energy field and i’m not arguing with you or trying to deny your information, however, we have enough oil in alaska to take of our needs and more natural gas than we could ever use. in the early seventies these same people were crying the middle east was running out of oil, something like al gore and global warming, they started a scare by creating shortage (standard oil trick) the oil companies are like everyone else, there in the business to make money, our problem is the commodities market and the speculators, the big investors lost a lot of money over the past few years and the commodities mkt is their best bet to get it back. opec is nothing but a curtain for price control, take that away and open up the market and you will see oil fall immediately, then split up the oil company monopoly and put competition back in the market. they will start cleaning your windshield at the station. as it is the oil companies have collective bargaining and you are at their mercy.

  • chuckb

    one more little tid bit. last year it was reported that we were accumulating a glut of oil throughout the world because of the world wide recession and high un-employment that would take years to disperse, in the u.s., people were not driving to work, so gas sales were down. so far the only oil production that has been interrupted is the libyan oil. saudi arabia is willing to make that up, so you see this raise in price is all concocted by the marketeers and this administration is approving of it.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Bruce Barron,
    I agree with you 100%. Obama does know what he is doing and he is trying to destroy America. Are people stupid or just don`t give a damn? A lot of people, and these are good people, just don`t seam to care about the truth about Obama. They don`t want to talk about him
    and they seam to fiddle while the country falls down around them.
    Between Obama and his Marxist goons and the Enviormentalist this
    country is doomed for hell and nobody seams to be able to stop them.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Most people are wrapped up in their own little worlds. They’ve long gven up on being able to control gvt. They’re just along for the sleigh ride to oblivion. Beuracricies, like the EPA and the IRS, have become out of control authoritarian fiefdoms. Even the gvts., State and Federal, who created them can’t control them. You think you own your home or your land ? Think again. Just try to build or do something on your property and eventually someone with a badge will show up.

      • WayneT

        gunner689, if enough people would group together we could change all this. Congress Members want to continue to stay in their jobs, but the stupid people votes them back in offfice again and again. I hate to say this, but we need for somthing really bad to happen that will shock the conscious of the still sleeping Amrican Public to wake them up. We need people who pays more attention to what is going on in Congress, but that will will not happen unitl the majority of the people are effected by Congress’ actions. Let’s see what happens in 2012.

    • WayneT

      I feed your pain, Charles. It is a hopeless feeling and the majority of folks just seem to be going along with all the crap that while his administration and Congress are changing this nation over to Communisn. I guess that is how Hitler took over too.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    chuckb,
    You are right again about pleanty of oil. There is no reason for
    the price of gas going up again in this country or any other country.
    The people should stay home a day and not drive their cars and let
    opec and the rest of the oil producers take their oil and shove it.

    • skip

      Or drive electric cars or take high speed rail rather than airplane for the shorter hauls/routes or car pool or buy fuel efficient cars rather than Escalades to drive to Safeway to buy a quart of milk.

    • WayneT

      Charles, I think this president should get off his high horse and permit more drilling in his country. Congress could also stop this nonsense if they so desired. If we have all that oil & gas I have been reading about in North Dakota area, the I think we should use our own oil instead of paying an inflated price to our enemies. Arn’t the religion in these OPEC countries, Muslim? What religion does Obama belong to? Maybe this should tell the story. I still think whe n gas gets up to $5.00 per gallon people will begin calling and writing their Congress Members. If enough people do this, you will see some changes.

  • http://soulfulthought.blogspot.com nursetom

    Back in the 1950’s, many of us found ourselves gawking at a new invention called television. There was one show that came on everyday at 4:00 P.M. Buffalo Bob was the master of ceremonies and his sidekick was a mute clown named Clarabelle who communicated with a honker horn. There was also the “peanut gallery” which was a set of bleachers occupied by a group of preschoolers cheering every time Clarabelle honked his horn. The star of the show, however, was a marionette named Howdy Doody. The way it worked was that Howdy Doody spoke to the television audience while Buffalo Bob lead the cheering section in the peanut gallery. Every time H.D. finished making a point, Buffalo Bob would say “Isn’t that right boys and girls of the peanut gallery?” Clarabelle would then honk his horn twice and the studio kids would shout “Yay!” Of course, we never found out who was pulling the strings. Let’s see; a speech making puppet with a cowboy and a clown leading a programmed cheering section; sounds a lot like modern-day politics.

    Accordingly, as I have watched the events unfold vis-à-vis the “war on terror”, and the “road map to peace”, I feel like I’m still watching the Howdy Doody Show. In Gaza, Hamas had taken control of the Palestinian Authority by popular vote. Then the U.S. government continued to push Israel to travel down “peace road” with the leaders of Hamas because they had become the elected officials of the “Palestinians”. The PLO has been gone for about five years and Hamas is still in power; American style democracy in action with Jimmy Carter still heralding his approval and Obama still promising to work harder toward bringing peace between the Jews and the Arabs in the Middle East.

    Wait a minute! Aren’t the Hamas terrorists the ones who perpetrated all of the suicide bombings in Israel and murdered thousands of Jews? Yes. Didn’t the Israeli military take out several successive leaders of Hamas with Helicopter attacks without protest from the puppeteers? Yes. Didn’t the prior Bush administration and the current Obama administration condemn Hamas for its acts of terror? Yes. And now the world community is still congratulating Hamas for its participation in the peaceful political process and condemning Israel for defending herself.

    I feel like I’m still going insane. But it must be alright, because Howdy Doody says that everything is as it should be, the buffalo man is prompting us for agreement and the dumb clown just gave us two blasts on his honker horn.

  • Aix Sponsa

    Mr. Myers, may I respectfully point out to you Sir, that just because we did not find any WMD in Iraq, does not mean that they were not there, or not still there. Undescovered underground bunkers could be almost anywhere.

    • WayneT

      Oh! by the way, Hussein gsssed the curds with what I believe they said at the time was with mustard gas. Isn’t mustard gas included in the weapons of mass destruction? I can remember seeing bodies of men, women and children on TV lying all over the place, and they said that Hussein has gassed these folks. I am one that believes Iraq did have WMD. If you can kill hundreds of people with mustard gas, why wouldn’t it be included as WMD?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        because the liberals say so. mustard, ketchup; just condiments to the liberal mind. nope, no WMD’s here.

        • WayneT

          One thing about the Liberals are that they lie when the truth would serve their cause better. I liken it to a little kid who does something wrong, and even though he is caught in the act of doing it, he will lie, and say they didn’t do it. I don’t know how anyone can sense the lies that permeates Obama’s lips. Come on Libs, open your eyes and believe what you see.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Wayne T,
    I agree, we should be allowed to drill in this country. Along
    with Obama, who is in bed with these people,who I believe, are the most dagerous groups to the prosperity of America, are the
    Enviormentalist. While Obama fiddles,America falls to the bowels
    of Hell. The only reason the Progressives and Obama back these people, it is one of the many tools,in the dismantling of America.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Skip,
    Even though I agree with you on most what you posted, it ain`t
    going to happen. We don`t live in Europe and Americans love their cars. Just drive by any High School and look at all the cars in the student parking lot. You can`t tell me, that all these students have
    part time jobs and need a car to get to work. I know better, because
    I know a lot of these kids and they don`t have jobs,they just hate to ride the school bus.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Exactly so. When the school buses are full again we’ll know that gas prices are too high. Mommy won’t be able to fill her car up and little Jrs. too.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Aix Sponsa,
    I think you are probley right.Ther are plenty of places to hid
    WMD`s, the desert is pretty big.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Wayne T,
    Obama is suppose to give a speech on our energey problems on
    Fox in a couple of days. Isn`t this what Obama does best,run his mouth?
    I wouldn`t watch this man, and waste my time watching him spin his
    web of lies. He is truley a Black Widow spider.

    • JC

      Why don’t they just show us the monitor he’s going to read from and save us the irritaion of watching that commie smirk while America is burning down? Think I’ll pass….

    • WayneT

      I agree, Charles. When I am watching Fox News, and Obama appears, I disappear. This man is ruining our country, and he has the nerve to come out in public, and flaunt us. Thank God that most of us can see through him where other people can’t seem to.

      • ROBERT JONES PHD

        To be frank I firmly believe Obama and his entire cabinet should be removed from office. How much more can our nation endure before we arrive at the point of no return?
        I didn’t even like the man when he was a Senator.

  • jopa

    Update:Oil dropped below $100 a barrel today rather than going towards $150.Cancel my oil stock purchase, thank you.

  • jopa

    JC; True story:Arizona governor was giving a speech today and her teleprompter quit and she was left standing there speechless again.That is funny.Too bad Palin wasn’t there to lend her a hand.Get it.LMAO

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    jopa,
    I don`t think Palin needs a prompter like your god and king needs.
    king obama can`t be beat with the teleprompter and ner should he be.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Robert Jones PHD,
    I think we might already be there!!!!!

  • jopa

    Charles;OK you didn’t get it.Palin writes her speeches and notes on her hands.Or didn’t they show that on Fox?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Poor jopa, obviously never had to do any public speaking. Guess nobody wants to hear what he has to say.

  • truthtlr

    nursetom mar. 9 10:47pm, out of all these posts, you are the one who has it right. Sorry, but the future for us is not any of the great America saving ideas you all have posted. All these things that are happening, have all been purposely planned, and dare I say, they have been prophesied, with more to come. There are none so blind as those who will not see. BTW, has anyone seen the recent consequences of nuclear power, in Japan after the tsunami? And the story is not over yet. If you really want to see what has been planned for us small people, check out “the georgia guide stones”. I am a patriot and I will not give up, but still I know the truth, and none of these things that are at issue, are the real issue. They are orchestrated, or as you put it, manipulated, but there is a bigger issue that no one wants to believe (“the normalcy bais”)or what I call (head in the sand). Yes, things are going to get much worse, and the sides you will have to choose from won’t be republican or democrat, it will be truth or lie. Read KJV Rev.13:16-18 and Rev.20:4 for the truth. There are many others also, all the way through, but these boil it down. Plenty of secular proof to back it up if you care to investigate it. Google while you can. Awake!

  • jopa

    truthtr;You sound like a kook and I will not investigate.

  • jopa

    PS; Americas energy problem is deregulation.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    jopa,
    Thats not like a prompter. How many answers can you write on your hands? She might have written a name or date that she wanted to
    remember, not a whole speach. Boy, you`ll grasp at anthing,thats what I like about you lefties.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    jopa,
    Quit calling people kooks, I coined that word a way back. Only Obama and his left wing Marxist are Kooks, not any one on the right.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    jopa,
    you are right on deregulation, then tell me why your people are always trying to regulate everything. I said Cass Sestien Obams regulatory
    Szar is one of the most dangerous men in Anerica.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Got to go japa, talk to you later. It“““““““““““““““““““““““““““s time to go whem you misspell America!!!

  • jopa

    Charles;You are older than I thought.The word kook you claim to have been the first to use has been around since 1865.Sarah-Small hands short speeches.Deregulation, I don’t think you understand the meaning by your comment.Right on, we do need more regulators or maybe just regulators that will do their job.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    jopa,
    I didn`t say I invented it, you know the word kook. I ment to say
    I was the first one on this blog to use it. As far as regulations,
    I think what you regulate, you better pay attention to what and where
    you use this process. It can either hurt you or help you. You can over due what you seam to think is the answer to all of mankind.

  • WayneT

    Watch this video by Congressman Poe. It is at the bottom of his statement. http://poe.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=229079

  • http://wethepeoplephx.blogspot.com/ WeThePeoplePhx

    I don’t know if Obama has sabotaged energy independence, but I do believe OPEC and American oil companies sure have. They have for forty years…

  • jopa

    We the People:The biggest problem is the speculators on Wall Street.Hard to believe this is all done with the wave of a hand and the stroke of a pen or keyboard today.

  • WayneT

    Check outd this video where Obama admits he is a Muslim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

  • http://com i41

    Who is ones in the Wall Street,Daschle, Geithner, and the main speculator George Soros, who got the pass on having any restrictions on hedge funds, the same smuck that is a mega hedge fund maniluptar and a money man for the democat party, GEORGE SOROS. Also the same one who is messing with commodities, speculators haved been around for centuries, the only difference now is they don’t have to pay the price for the commodities and only put a small amount down.

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