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Obama Edges Closer To Ending ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell,’ Republicans Are Split

February 8, 2010 by  

Obama edges closer to ending 'don't ask don't tell,' Republicans are split Appearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee last week, the nation’s top military and civilian leaders argued for a repeal of the 1993 Act of Congress that banned openly gay and lesbian Americans from serving in the military.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen testified together with Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and said that overturning the policy known as "don’t ask don’t tell" would be "the right thing to do."

"I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy that forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens," said Mullen.

Several prominent Republicans, including former Secretary of State and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Colin Powell, have expressed their support for the overhaul.

"In the 17 years since the legislation was passed, attitudes and circumstances have changed," Powell stated after the hearing, quoted by The New York Times.

However, a significant group of GOP lawmakers, led by Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), have declared themselves to be against it. McCain has been quoted as saying he was "disappointed" with the administration’s push.

The Department of Defense is putting together a working group that will conduct a year-long study on troops’ feelings about lifting the ban on openly gay people serving in the military.

More than 10,000 service members have had to leave the armed forces due to the ban.
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  • Michael J.

    In 1993 when “don’t ask, don’t tell” was introduced, myself as well as other conservatives warned that this was a slippery slope type legislation designed to condition the public into accepting gays in the military. Looks like we were right.

    See for yourself where this is headed, search: The Frankfurt School/Political Correctness

    Footnote, Saul Alinsky was a major theorist associated with The Frankfurt School.

    • eyeswideopen
      • eyeswideopen
        • Michael J.

          EWO,
          Neither of these links work?

          BTW, O’Reilly and Beck were perfoming in your neck of the woods last week when a middle aged red headed woman had to be forcably ejected from the crowd for alleged Bush bashing. Were you there?

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael, Nope, they aren’t worth my time to watch, so count on fact, I would never pay to see those two idiots. But feel free to spend your hard earned money on that kinda crap.

        • Jana

          Eyes
          Now you have finally told us the truth. You are always stating you have all of the recordings (taken out of context too) of all of the supposed lies of Beck and the others, and the truth is you don’t even watch them. Hahahaha I knew it. Someone sends you a lot of false information and you buy into it. This is just too good.

    • Doc Sarvis

      We have accepted gays in the military as long as we have had a military. And we have the best military there is.

      • Michael J.

        Doc Sarvis,
        Homosexual behavior has never been tolerated in our nations military.
        You should do some research before making such untrue comments.

        • eyeswideopen

          Michael, are you saying that they aren’t serving now? Yep, they are and have been since the creation of our nation. It doesn’t rub off on you, relax and have confidence that if our Founding Fathers would have thought it would be a threat,or harmful in anyway, they would have in precise language, forbid it. You want to have the Constitution rule, well, it doesn’t exclude them, therefore it includes them. You should be more concerned with the tremendous high rates of rape of women in the military.

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            You spin enough to make a Tazmanian Devil puke. Read again and this time understand.

          • Joe H.

            READ EYES READ!!!
            he said they were never tolerated!!! he didn’t say they weren’t serving!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE PROGRESSIVES!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Undeniable fact – there have been homosexuals in the military since we have had the military.

        • eyeswideopen

          Michael, what do you think Don’t ask, Don’t tell is? Tolerance, that’s what, but you can’t say it out loud. It is hyprocrisy. We’ll let you serve and die for us, but don’t let anyone tell us that you are gay, and if someone does, no matter what kind of soldier you are, we have to fire you. But until then, go out there and die soldier!

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            With the highest rate of aids of anygroup, YOU take the first battlefield blood transfusion from the first accepted admitted gay!!!
            Doc, having been in the Army almost eight years and another in the active Guard, I can tell you the gays were never accepted by the normal troops. They might have served under wraps, never out of the closet!!!

          • Robin from Indiana

            In case you forgot, our armed forces are by volunteer only, not a draft.
            Don’t ask, don’t tell worked, so why change it? Personally, I believe that being gay is a life style preference. I also believe it to be a sinful life style preference. I have known a few gay people. I don’t agree with their life style, but it is not up to me to condemn them. Why is there the push to change the don’t ask, don’t tell system? Leave it alone.

        • Rod

          I can tell you as a former Army guy we NEVER accepted DEVIANT’s in the Army!!!! EVER!!!!

          • http://Don'thaveone Sally

            Right on Rod. Neither does the Navy. In fact aboard ship if found out, come up missing off the fan tail. HMMMMM. Don’t we have more to worry about than gays in the military, or legalizing gay marriages. Come on – another diversion tecknique. If it were up to me with the advent of HIV, all people that tested positive would be in sanitariums much like they did years ago with people who had TB. They keep pushing and pushing for why I don’t know, just be glad that you were let out of the closet and leave it at that. IT IS NOT AN ILLNESS it is a choice!!!!

          • Joe H.

            Rod,
            As an army vet during the late sixties and early seventies I can tell you they were never tolerated then either!!! If they were found, they were ETSed and given a bad discharge!!!

    • JeffH

      I think it would be a big mistake to abolish “don’t ask, don’t tell”.
      Personally, I could care less about a persons preferance and I don’t ask. I’m sure that many brave “gays” have defended your and my freedom without us knowing about it. Why make it any worse than it already is, and that is exactly what will happen. By the way, has anyone thought that this might be another distration by the Obama administration?

  • Michael J.

    Fact:Homosexual and bisexual behavior amongst military personel since 1776 up until present day has resulted in discharge from service upon being found guilty of such charges.
    EWO, All soldiers are expected to fight and die if need be unless and until they have been found guilty of larsony, rape, murder, pediphilia, etc, etc. Until the laws concerning gays serving in the military are changed, why should special provisions be made for these individuals?

  • Michael J.

    Most people assume that Political Correctness is an indigenous phenomenon originating a couple decades back in the left coast minds of california democrats (Closet progressives), when in fact it’s insideous origins stem from a long time ago in a continent far, far away.

    So how did it all start? Political Correctness started in a think tank (called The Frankfurt School) in Germany in 1923. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn’t the wonderful idea of communism spreading?

    The Frankfurt school recommended (amongst other things):

    #1 convince minorities that they are victims of racial oppression.
    #2 continual change in government to create confusion and mistrust.
    #3 the teaching of sex and homosexual tolerance to children.
    #4 the undermining of schools and teachers’ authority to disipline.
    #5 huge immigration to destroy national identity and sovereignty.
    #6 the promotion of excessive drinking.
    #7 emptying the churches.
    #8 an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime.
    #9 dependency on the state or state benefits.
    #10 control and dumbing down of media.
    #11 encouraging the breakdown of the family.

    • Disgusted

      Wow, 11 out of 11 in the works now in our great nation. We are really on our way now. Get these people out of office….now!
      Put your trust in GOD and live by his book! Homosexuality is a sin and should not be tolerated, it is unnatural. Period!

    • Michael J.

      The goal of Political Correctness as designed by The Frankfurt School:

      To bring about social upheval,the overwhelming of the government as a result of massive entitlement programs, which in turn will bring about the eventual colapse of society.

      Any of this sound familiar? Well, it should, Saul Alinsky was a major theorist associated with The Frankfurt School. Alinsky’s career culminated in the authoring of the Progressive Liberal Bible, “Rules for Radicals” whose worshippers include Hilary Rodham Clinton, Barack Hussein Obama, Chris Matthews and many more.

      So topics like Homosexuality, Racism and the other items mentioned in my above post, are actually man made symptoms of the real desease of Communism.

      To find out what happens after the planned colapse of society and learn the fate of the ones that the communist refer to as “Useful Idiots”, search: Yuri Bezmenov, Russian KGB defector.

  • Mark

    Michael J hit the nail on the head. There should be NO tolerance for sickness in the military. gay is a term for someone that couldn’t make straight. don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t see, when I eliminate thee.

  • Chuck Henry

    I served on active duty in the United States Marine Corps from 1953 to 1956. In boot camp we had several boots leave the platoon within the first week. They just simply were not there one morning, reason caught performing oral sex in the Dumpster. Now I know most Marines remember the dumpster as the hideaway for smoking, however the persons involved took it to a higher or lower hideout. There was no fuss they just simply were discharged and sent home. You never had to worry about bending over to pick up soap dropped on the shower floor(bad humor). You did not have to worry about being accosted in the shower or in the middle of the night by someone looking for sex. The measure way back then worked, however PC had not reared it stupid ugly head and homosexuality was deemed a deviant behavior.
    Semper Fi,

    • Disgusted

      It is a deviant behavior!

  • James Holbrook

    Same when I was in the USAF from 1984-90. Several medics at a base in TX got caught fiddling each other so were booted out. However, allegedly there were officers guilty of the same offensive behaviour who were not discharged if you excuse the term. At a base in the UK where I served we also had people prosecuted for adultery so it isn’t one rule for them and another for us. Wouldn’t have wanted to shower as in boot camp with openly gay guys.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Homosoexuality is not offensive, deviant, or a sin according to my God.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      I certainly don’t know who your God is, but my God is the only God that is real and the bible says that gay behaviour is a sin. If you want chapter an verse, I will be very happy to oblige.

  • TOMMY FREEDOM

    IF THEY ARE OPENLY GAY, WILL THE MILITARY BE REQUIRED TO ISSUE G.I. DRESSES? AND WILL THEY SCARE AWAY THE ENEMY.

  • Pat R

    Doc Sarvis:

    I don’t know who your God is, but I’ve always been taught and believe that there is only one God.
    Furthermore, the Bible teaches that homosexuality is an abomination to my God.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I do know who my God is and my God does not find homosexuality sinful.

  • Pat R

    Also, what about Sodom and Gommorah? Those cities were destroyed because of homosexuality.

    You can not tell me that God condones homosexuality!

    • somebody

      lol, right… funny how many people believe that fairy tale. guess you still think santa claus is real?

      the bible… lol. god isn’t real and even if he was, a moral god wouldn’t condemn people to an eternal hellfire for sex between consenting adults… your god says something is immoral and provides no reason and yet you simply accept it. funny how that works…

      • Joe H.

        Somebody,
        Do you have kids?? Ever told them to do something and then told them you don’t have to give them a reason that you are the parent and you don’t have to explain yourself to them? Same thing with God. he is the holy Father and he doesn’t have to explain himself!!!! As far as your remark about sex between two consenting adults you are just trying to bring him down to your level!!!

        • somebody

          right sorry, i forgot god gave us logic simply to test our faith. man if he had only made us mindless it would be so easy to get into heaven…

          • Michael J.

            Somebody,
            As a matter of practicality, you should set your sights a little lower.

  • http://personalliberty tina frost

    they don’t belong in our military-period. Our men don’t need this kinda crap to worry about while protecting us and dodging bullets.I believe Obama is a ‘DONT ASK DONT TELL.

  • RC

    This country was founded by the first settlers for the reason of religious liberty and not for political correctness or tolerating deviant behavior. This crap wouldn’t be allowed in 1776 and that’s undeniable.

  • Rod

    There is ONLY one God! He does not except deviant homosexual behavior!
    If I were in the Army today and they wanted me to except this type of
    behavior, I would tell them to kiss my ass goodby!

  • chuck b

    it is my belief homosexuality is a handicap not a choice and should be handled as such so we should not allow anyone who is openly gay to be recruited or join the armed forces. if the “don’t ask don’t tell” law is effective then leave it as is, there were gays serving in ww2 and i would believe every war since then. if they can’t stay in the closet then send them home.

    • Joe H.

      Chuck b,
      Let’s go on the supposition that you are correct in what you say. If so, the gays want it both ways. Special laws to protect them but equal treatment in the millitary!! We already have laws on the books on murder, assault, and any number of crimes that cover any thing they could come up with. In 1969, I came home to Michigan in uniform. I was a proud serviceman and respected the uniform I wore. In toledo Ohio, i was propositioned by a gay and when I knocked him on his butt, a cop almost arrested me. He finally found out what happened and let me go and the last thing I saw of the gay was him walking on his toes as the cop “escorted” him out of the bus terminal by his neck!!! A whole croud of people cheered his and my actions and several tried to buy me a beer! I would do exactly the same today and I wouldn’t hesitate a bit!

  • http://foxnews.com Tony B

    Gays have always been in the military and there actions have not been tolerated. George Washington kicked out a officer (LT) for sodomy and it is still in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. I am in the military and what you civilians do not understand is that we service members do not have the same rights as the average American, we fall under the UCMJ. We take that oath when we we take the oath to serve our nation. Personnaly I would like to keep “dont ask dont tell”, it allows gays to serve the country that they so freely take advantage of, they can sacrifice there life as easily as a heterosexual. Openly gays would disrupt military cohetion and discipline. We would then get into transgender, would they go to girl or boy basic/bootcamp, would they have girl or boy dress or hair, what bathroom/showers would they use types of issues.

  • http://www.bondwooley.com bondwooley

    Some day we’re going to look back with astonishment that any form of a communication gap was allowed to exist in the military:

    http://bit.ly/9YNli3

    (satire)

  • warner mobley

    You cannot change genetics. No normal male is comfortable in the presence of a homosexual or lesbian.

  • Gale

    I was in the military later 50′s early 60′s, we had homosexuals in the Air Force but when OSI received complaints about any of them then the investigations start and then court martial on an Article 66 and they received an undesirable discharge. This kind of life style has always caused problems, we had too many females that attacked other females and then the problems started. Then the lesbians/dykes (which we called them), they were a rough group. At Lackland AFB during the time I was there, in permanent party they had a good 15-20 of them and they would go after some poor female (we were all young 18 or so and didn’t know anything) who did not know what was going on.
    They didn’t have “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” back then but I say leave it alone.

  • klesb

    Admiral Mike Mullen: “I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy that forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens,” Ye gods, Mike! There are lots of good young men and women who cannot serve because of physical or mental problems! That is not because they are unwilling -but because their limitations would prevent their effective service in the defense of our nation! Combat and unit effectiveness are the core values for a military service – not the personal needs for societal acceptance by a few. If you are willing to accept homosexuals, transsexuals, and bisexuals, Admiral, are you also willing to accept asthmatics. paraplegics? Let those who would be a problem to combat readiness serve as taxpayers – like I continued to be able to do when I was medically discharged for a service incurred injury. I was a career sailor, and wanted to continue, but both the Navy and I realized I would be an impediment to those who needed to get a tough job done. My leaving was for the “good of the Service”, Mike! A concept you might want to reacquaint yourself with!

    • Joe H.

      klesb,
      God bless you for your contribution to your country! I’m sure your loss was a loss to the service as well!!! I thank you from one vet to another!

    • John Ball

      First, Thank You for your service to defend The United States of America.
      Second, Your letter was perfectly concieved and deliverd.
      Third, May you be blessed all the days of your life.

  • whfion

    I served in the reserves in the early ’90′s. I knew of gays on the units and it didn’t make any difference. yes they would have been ousted if found out. Even if they didn’t say anything themselves, if suspected they would be discharged.
    Although over 40,000 gay men served in WWII without being detected.
    As for being punished for crimes committed while in the military does happen but just as often does not. Recruiters have been accused of sleeping with the teen girls they try to sign up for the military more often then not don’t get punished.
    If gays are not allowed in the military then they get the benefit of the of the soldiers who fights without having to go. They don’t have to fight for their rights.
    In the military gays, women and african americans are in the same boat if one of them rocks it they all fall out.

  • John Ball

    Last night I dreamed the liberal demoncrats where actually have a fund raiser to fund breast implants for men in the military.
    By the way Doc, does your god have a name like maybe Lucifer?

  • James

    As background, the Bible condemns homosexual acts as an ‘abomination’ (Lev. 18:22) and even a capital offense (Lev. 20:13). Early Americans lived by that and every state had laws which criminalized such acts but none had required the death penalty. That policy has ensued ever since, until the recent Lawrence v. Texas Supreme Court decision, which held that homosexual acts were one of those ‘others retained by the people’ rights, of the 9th Amendment, and thus laws that criminalize such acts were unconstitutional.

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  • Bert Vanderhoof

    If homosexuallity was the RULE rather than the EXCEPTION there would be argument as world population would have diminished to the point of non-existence. Oral and anal sex has never and will never produce life.
    That fact in itself should convince even the staunchhest adherents of that lifestyle that even nature rejects it’s practice as unacceptable as a viable alternative to heterosexuality. The homosexual agenda is the only agenda that is fighting for it’s legality, and it’s agenda and practice being taught as acceptable in schools. Since they cannot have any children of their own, they are targeting our children and using us as (breeders). Now they want to take the finest of our young men and women who have volunteered to put themselves in harms way to protect this nation and it’s liberties and make an open display of their lewd behavior and break the solidarity of our military forces.
    Who will be next, rapist, pedophiles, transvestites, and any number of socially and morally abhorant life-styles who will join the military to live in a “closet” with an open door. No longer will the greatest threat be the “enemy”, but the spread of HIV/aids.

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