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Obama Defends Stimulus Package, Calls For More Spending

January 22, 2010 by  

Obama defends stimulus package, calls for more spending As his first year in office comes to an end, President Obama has touted the benefits of the massive stimulus package he signed just weeks after being sworn in, and he called for additional spending in the coming months.

The president spoke about the quarterly report to Congress prepared by his Council of Economic Advisers, which estimated that the $787 billion Recovery Act, consisting of spending and tax cuts, resulted in a 2009 growth rate that was about 2 percentage points higher than it would have been otherwise. It also saved between 1.5 million to 2 million jobs, according to the Associated Press (AP).

"This analysis shows that we are on track … [to build] a strong foundation for sustainable growth and a more globally competitive America," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in response to the new report.

But most GOP members were unimpressed, calling the stimulus package wasteful and pointing to a persistently high national unemployment rate of 10 percent, and the fact that the economy lost 85,000 jobs in December, as reported by the Bureau of a Labor Statistics.

Pelosi’s response was that "years of inaction and lax oversight crippled our economy—and we have more work to do to help it recover," while president Obama acknowledged that "the road to recovery is never straight."

He also called for an additional $5 billion in future spending on green manufacturing and pledged $2.3 billion in tax credits to promote clean-energy jobs.
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  • Robert

    When will this spending insanity stop? Don’t these politicians get it? Yeah, we need jobs. Real jobs created by the private sector, not government jobs with their costly beauracurcy and obsene benefits. Now Obama’s off to Ohio to talk about green jobs. He’s really showing deperation now. For the past year, all his emphasis was about health reform. Then on Tuesday, Scott Brown gets voted in as Senator of Massachussets and all of a sudden his focus is now on jobs. Only problem is that he still insists on Government can solve the problem. When is he going to wake up and realize that it’s Government that is creating the problem. He needs to stay in Washington and start doing his job. Enough with trapsing all over the country and world. Enough with the daily speeches and campaigning. Get to work and earn your salary like everyone in the private sector has to do. And while your at it, cut government salaries by 10% to match the unemployment rate, and have all government employees pay 40% towards their medical insurance cost like the private sector does, eliminate double, triple, quadruple dipping into federal pension benfits that is not a practice of the private sector. With the money saved, he wont need to raise our deficit by another $50 Billion. So my message to you Mr. President and all the Politicians in Washington, clean up your acts, get to work, listen to the American people, stop the behind the doors dealmaking, shrink government, stop spending and most importantly stop dictating how we can live our lives. Do this and we’ll support your efforts, don’t do it and well vote you out of office.

    • Disgusted

      Right on. And while were at it lets figure out a way to get all the jobs that have been shipped overseas back in our own boarders. Buy American!! China is trying to kill us!

      • Don Tremaine

        There are many reasons that jobs go overseas. The unions are killing productivity and affordability. It is simply too expensive to manufacture in America. The Japaneses auto makers came to America, but they refused to accept the union conditions, they are more profitable then their American counterparts. The government taxes on business are punitive not conducive to job creation. As these “cheap labor” countries grow in standard of living they also become more expensive. The government should give incentives to companies that do their manufacturing in America as long as the union is blocked. This will encourage businesses to stay in America. Every American can also help by “Buy American”. The only foreign products that I buy are not available “made in America” I will never buy a foreign car. I have bought GM cars most of my life and have been very satisfied. These were never re-badged imports.

        • Joe H.

          Don,
          Show me one American made car that has ALL American made parts on it!!! The closest thing you will find is Honda!!!!

        • Jana

          Don, the problem is the Unions have Obama as their friend. Just look at what he he did to bribe them into supporting the Health Care Bill.

          Big Government is an enemy of the people of any country that they run. They become dictators and start lining their pockets instead of sharing the wealth like they claim. We all know the share the wealth idea is a scheme and it doesn’t work.

          • Jana

            I should have said bribe or pay back to them for their support. Unions used to be good, but like anything else, they got too big and became like a too big government would be. They become like the Mafia. Controlling.

    • hopeforamerica

      Yes, Pres Obama’s emphasis has been on health care, jobs, two wars, energy, the environment, and a Titanic Economic Debacle left by the last administration. I’d say the man has done a pretty good job particularly with the hand he was dealt. Further, Obama Must address health care now because they cannot continue to pay the skyrocking cost of health care, nor can the average American or business! We must have health insurance reform. Unless of course, you don’t mind if your insurer cancels you, continues to scale back your benefits as your cost of coverage rises… yes…unless you don’t mind that you probably wouldn’t want health ins. reform.

      We desperately need health insurance reform… and that includes having Congress change the law in which forces insurance companies to abide by the very same Anti-trust laws as does other industries. Fair is Fair, and more than that, there can’t be real competition and lower prices without more competition.
      Selling across state lines will not stop insurance companies from price fixing as long as there aren’t anti-trust laws to stop them!
      Damn Lieberman for twisting the Dems arms on anti-trust. Capitalism equals competition!

      Finally, the stimulus Did and Is helping. You people are impatient and unrealistic to think that anyone can turn this Unprecedented titantic mess of an economy around in a Year! Federal and State governments have given companies huge tax breaks…. so although some of the companies have/are hiring, some have just pocketed the tax savings. Just like my old Econ.Professor once said, ” the trouble with Reaganomics is that it doesn’t always trickle down as in creating new jobs, but ends up in corporate coffers.”
      And.. although banks are lending more, some companies who qualified for easy credit don’t qualify anymore due to tougher credit lending standards.

      • Robert

        That’s your opinion and your are free to say so. I don’t agree with you, and I am also free to say so. One thing I can say about your reply, you were civil and I thank you for that.

      • Meteorlady

        Here we go again – blame Bush. Read this very carefully…..
        Clinton signed the free trade with China bill – how many manufacturing jobs did that loose for us.
        Clinton fully supported the right of every American to own a home regardless of whether they could afford it or not.
        Clinton allowed drug companies to advertise – they were never allowed to do that before. That added about 57 to 80 million dollars to the price of our drugs.
        Bush went before the House Banking Committee in 2000 and tried to tell them about the housing bubble and that Fannie, Freddie and the Fed needed oversight. That they could not keep lending at the pace they were lending. You can watch that video on utube.
        I agree that the two wars have costs us lots of money, but the influx of illegal aliens costs us twice as much than either of those two wars and NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING about it since we gave amnesty to 8 million in the 1980s.
        So blame the government and their politically correct policies, but stop just blaming Bush for everything.
        Japan tried the stimulus thing that Obama is trying and it didn’t work very well. They have been in a slump for the past ten years.
        We needed to just let some of the business fail. I don’t care if AIG failed – it was too big and too bloated with management to not fail. It was run inefficiently. I wouldn’t miss GM either for the same reason. Who the heck manufactures Hummers in the middle of rising gas prices? As for the banks, they are failing because they were backed by the FDIC and thought they could just lend and lend and lend to anyone. Try blaming the American people for continually electing people that don’t do their jobs and only feather their own nests.

        • http://n/a Mark

          God Bless you Meteorlady. That was stated much nicer than I could have stated it. Some, or should I say the weak, can only see up too their own nose and no further. Can’t look back and see what that FOOL clinton did. But it is all bad politicians and their want and greed for money in their own pockets.

      • Gene

        You are so out of touch. You must be another Stupid left wing liberal like the dumb asses in washington. There has been one (1) democrate presedent “re”- elected since FDR. That should tell you something about what democrats have done to this country and what americans think of them!

      • DaveH

        Hope,
        Big Government created the HealthCare problems we face today. More Government won’t make it better. Quit Hoping and Dreaming and do some studying on what makes economies operate efficiently:
        http://www.heritage.org/index/

        Yes, Obama’s only been in office for a year, but the Democrats have controlled Congress for 3 years, and Congress passes the Spending Bills. I suspect that after 3 more years of Obama and a still trashed economy, you will be saying “But he’s only been in office for 4 years”

      • Don Tremaine

        First of all. Obama was not handed an economy / disaster nearly as bad as Reagan was handed by Carter. Carter is cut from the same cloth as Carter. Obama has spent more in 8 months that Bush spent in eight years. Obama has been the most secretive and opaque administration in history. It just goes to show that you have eyes but are blinded by your ideology. Reagan fixed his problems by being conservative. It was the liberals that made it bad. It’s Obama’s liberal agenda that will prevent a recovery. Obamacare will destroy America. This is change all right, but in the opposite direction needed. We do not want or need government run health care. This will not address cost. Cost will only go up and shift that burden to taxpayers. There was talk of actual cost cutting, but the liberals wanted no part of that. They want to destroy America via the redistribution of wealth. This is not the answer. Only the conservatives have a prayer of fixing health care and the economy and making it more affordable. Bush was a better choice in the two terms he was elected. But he was not a real conservative. Liberals don’t even want to discuss tort reform. They don’t want to discuss the idea that unions are economy disablers.

      • Joe H.

        Hope,
        Yup the stimulus did help!! in the context of the cash for clunkers program it helped….. The foreign auto makers!!! Had they said American made autos only, it might have made a slight bit of sense and the money might have lasted a bit longer!!! That kind of help we can very well do without!!!

        • Joel

          Joe,
          Your comment the cash for clunkers helped FOREIGN CAR MAKERS. BUT JD Powers, which does automotive studies, about 2 or 3 years ago found that HONDA & TOYOTA HAD THE MOST AMERICAN COMPONENTS.

          Ford, GM & Chrysler were near the bottom. I beleive it is Mercedes (if not, BMW) that has a plant or two in Alabama, also.
          ZAnd, rememebr, Ford with its Pinto and exploding gas tanks- and their cost benefit analysis-cheaper to pay thsoe who sued then fix the cars.
          And, the Cash for Clunkers took away good, possibly cheap transportation for teen (as a first car).

          Onto Obama-his trade and union payoff policies have caused the Mexicans to retaliate aginst Pacific Northwest fruit farmers; China against chicken farmers, and the list goes on.
          The man is a nightmare

          • Joe H.

            Joel,
            heres another nail in the democratic political coffin. It was revealed today that after months of election rhetoric on banning no-bid contracts over 2500 dollars, the obama admin awarded checkie Inc. a 25 million dollar no-bid contract to train Iraqi judges and court people in the fair trial system here in the U.S.!!! Here goes Haliburton all over again. It was also disclosed that this company donated as much as 6500 dollars to obamas campaign as far back as 2007!!! So much for O-man not lying!!!!!

          • Joe H.

            Joel,
            One other thing, where did the profits from those sales go??? Out of the country!!!!

      • http://johnparsr@aol.comI John Partaker Sr

        L completely agree with everything hopeamerica said

        • DaveH

          Who is L?

          • Tinwarble

            I think it was supposed to be “I”.

          • Joe H.

            It used to be I now it’s L and it stands for Lame!!!

      • JC

        The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.
        John Maynard Keynes

        • JC

          I work for a Government I despise for ends I think criminal.
          John Maynard Keynes

          For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to every one that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still.
          John Maynard Keynes

      • independant thinker

        I agree we do need health care reform but we do not need OBAMAS health care reform. Actualy health care itself does not need reforming, we have the best health care system in the world as far as quality of care is concerned. It is access to that health care that needs reforming.

      • Drewmann

        I won’t even try to respond to most of your statement because I believe I can sum up the problem rather neatly. GOVERNMENT CANNOT MAKE US ALL RICH BUT IT CAN MAKE US ALL POOR.
        I think its obvious which way we are headed.

    • hopeforamerica

      Robert; Gov’t can’t force the private sector to hire people, nor can they force the banks to lend more money particularly to people or businesses who don’t have good credit.

      • Blameit all onBush

        hope for America. Amazing. Obama still blames Bush for his problems. And he will until his last day in office. The day after Scott Brown was elected, he was on ABC blaming Bush. This is the same president who during his first weeks in office said (paraphased) “We need to move forward.” I thought this is great. He is going to move forward. Now, when HIS programs don’t work, he pulls out the “Blame it on Bush” card. Let me get this right. A bark Blue state(Mass) helps put a democrat (Obama) in office. The person they help put in office, Obama suggests more government. Then a democratic senator from Mass dies. These mad “Blue” voters elect a Republican, all because they are mad at Bush. Obama is for change. I don’t believe him because he wont change and stop blaming Bush for everything. BTW, when the pilgrims landed in America, there was no Federal government. And you know what? There was not mass riots, etc.

      • Joe H.

        Hope,
        I beg to differ!!! If the government goes to these banks and says we will not let you borrow at the going rate if you don’t raise the number of low income borrowers, they very well can force them!!! Most banks NEED that low rate money!!!

      • Tinwarble

        Hope,

        Actually the Government can, that’s what it did before and why we are in the mess that we are in. It was the Government, by it’s so called “Regulations” that made banks lend to low income people who could not afford a house and who had bad credit. See this article:

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122204078161261183.html

        • MGW

          It is not the low income the banks are not lending to. The banks are not lending to anyone. Even with a 800 credit score and a 200,000 dollar house, borrowing 80,000 dollars became a nightmare for me and my loan officer. I finally got it but it took 4 months?
          It is even worse now. I know of 20 different people with this same story in a 50 mile radius.

  • psutopgun

    Obama will never get it and the American people will continue to suffer. There is a straight road to recovery. Let the free market work…get the government out of the way stupid. Stop with the green jobs nonsense. It will take many years to have even a minor impact from green energy source. Streamline the license process for nuclear plants and start drilling for oil and gas on and off shore. NO MORE SPENDING.

    • hopeforamerica

      TO:PSUTOPGUN
      To hell with oil and gas drilling. News Flash: The next car I buy will Not use gas, and it will be a plug-in or biodiesel. After paying $4.50 per gallon for gas I refuse to be a slave to anyone including oil. And by the way, Green energy is Growing! We need more Green energy with green energy jobs for here in the good Ol’ USA. By the way, did you hear the good news… GM opened the first U.S. lithium battery plant last year. Go GM!

      • Gene

        If you gave up everything that was made out of oil, You would be standing Butt naked with nothing. So get off your stupid no oil crap. We have to have oil (words removed for offensive content)

        • hopeforamerica

          Gene; You’d be surprised to know that many things are being made out of sustainable products that were traditionally manufactured out of fossil fuels. Technology is changing everyday.

      • DaveH

        You can do that right now Hope. Buy a hybrid. Of course you will pay about $5000 more for the vehicle, but if you drive it for 10 years you may recoup those up-front costs. Oh never mind the huge amount of poisonous metals that are going to be thrown in our dumps when the battery packs wear out. I’m sure the Liberals will cross that bridge with more rules when we come to it.

        • hopeforamerica

          Dave; I want a hybrid that uses No.. Zero Gasoline. :)

          • Don Tremaine

            What the world needs is nuclear power cars. Something like a ZR1 and puts out say 650 HP. No gas needed, just some plutonium!
            For the regular greenie it would only need to be a 4 door sedan that looks like every other stupid looking car with 150HP.

          • Claire

            I will not be buying a new car. I will keep my old van and my Jeep. The hybrids are expensive as heck. And forgive me, but I still would love to have a Hummer!

          • DaveH

            They have those Hope. They’re called bicycles. You could get a basket for your groceries too for not much more.
            Speaking of Bicycles, this is an interesting one:
            http://www.yikebike.com/

          • Joe H.

            Don,
            Nah, shape it like a casket, then the people killed by them can save money and be buried in them!!!! A fender bender, a leak and bye, bye!!!!

      • JeffH

        By your statements, I assume you meant businesses and corporations. I would hope you also meant the government. The HC bill offers NO HOPE FOR AMERICA. I would hope that you could do some deep research about Obama and his ideaologies and agendas and realize what he is truly about. If you work hard and pay taxes, he should scare the beegeeses out of you. If you are dependent on government handouts, then I understand your position.

  • Time

    I could not agree with you more. Saddly the {Ivory Tower twits}, think that if you spend more than you have that makes things work better.

    Then again if your agenda is to destroy a country then all the things they are doing are in the game plan. After all when you come right down to it what has O ever really said. This quote says it all.

    ” This is a Great Country, will you help me CHANGE it?”

    The question is CHANGE it to what? I figure anyone with a brain cell thats still active can clearly see what he had / has in mind.

  • Canuklehead

    Of course Obama supports more money for the banksters. They OWN him. He’s got an entire cabinet of them. All his advisors work for Wall Street, so he’s going to make all the idiot slaves caugh up another 23 trillion dollars for the banksters to line their own pockets with.

  • Canuklehead

    sp** cough

    Need an edit tool on this site.

    • DaveH

      Canuklehead,
      You can cut and paste to Word and use spell check.

  • freedomrings

    I am appalled at the stupidity and criminal activities of those in Congress and the administration. The administration continues on the statist plan to change our country and take away even more of our liberties by any crooked method and deceptions in their packet of tricks. The idiots in Congress ignore their constituents, ‘go with the flow ‘ and ignorantly accepting the disastrous consequences.

    • hopeforamerica

      TO: WHAT Liberties could you possibly think are being taken away by this administration?! We have more transparency (online) than ever before.
      I suppose you approve of the Supreme Court’s decision to allow Corporations to spend limitless amount of money of on campaign contributions? In other words, we already have those in the house and senate who have been bought and paid for by corporate America. Republicans who have always sided with business, and some Blue Dog democrats. Now, many of us regardless of political affiliation feel politicians will be even more threatened by the political power of corporations. And by the way, a conservative organization called, “citizens united” had pushed for this decision. They should be called, “Corporations United”.

      • DaveH

        It takes a tremendous amount of campaign money to unseat an Incumbent. They know that, so they take advantage of the voters’ lack of knowledge to pass their “Campaign Finance Reforms”. If you think politicians should be elected for life, then yeah, vote for limits on campaign funding.
        And I would ask you this: If a rich person or corporation puts one of their expensive ads on TV or other media, are you somehow forced to believe what they say?

      • Don Tremaine

        They are not for:
        Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
        Here are some examples:
        Force everyone to buy a government product, Obamacare.
        Take away all guns, UN treaty for global gun control.
        Allowing taxes to be applied unevenly between the states, like Nebraska’s sweet concession to vote for Obamacare.
        Everything is secret between democrats only. Even excluding the people. No transparency.
        We are headed for an Oligarchy, right after the revolution.

        • Blameit all onBush

          Finally someone who gets it….Thanks Don

  • Tim

    The guy with the least experience of any of the 2 doz running for the WH, still shows he doesn’t have a clue on anything. Spending more $ is his only answer. He hasn’t had his own plan on anything, and turns everything over to Pelosi and Reid to come up with something.

    Stimulus money is nothing more than giving Pelosi an open checkbook for a shopping spree, on any pork project the House wants to buy.

    He bragged during his campaign he would generate 1 million new jobs during the first year. Too bad sooo many people bought his string of lies. He is truly a pitiful individual that has surrounded himself with a bunch of hacks.

    • hopeforamerica

      Tim; Obama is an honorable man. He did Not lie. In fact, he has solicited the Repubs in the name of bipartisanship, and the Repubs they have not added anything of a constructive nature. The Blue Dogs and Lieberman have stifled legislation, including killing legislation of which would hold insurance companies to the Anti-trust laws as all other industries. Without anti-trust laws industries can “fix” prices and there by eliminating competitive pricing for consumers. The free market works when collusion is eliminated! Unfortuneatly, the repubs always vote in favor of industry and would not have voted in favor of the anti trust legislation either.

      And YES.. the stimulus pkg did save and create jobs!! Had we not had the stimulus pkg we would have been in a depression.
      Maybe it’s time some of you went back to school !! Bear in mind, some of these jobs have/will be replaced with technology or have gone to China.

      • DaveH

        Sorry Hope, but it is you that needs a further education.
        Companies can only fix prices when they are protected from competition by the force of Government. In a Free Market, those who artificially set their prices would quickly lose Market Share to those who set competitive prices.
        Maybe you should look into public utilities and see real price fixing. And that at the hands of Government control.
        I don’t fault you for your ignorance. You are just the by-product of our public school system. If you want to really learn about what makes economies tick, there are many sources in the libraries, bookstores, or on the web, where you can learn why Free Markets work, and Government Regulations don’t. Some good online sources are Mises.org, Reason.org, and Cato.org.

        • DaveH

          Look at this list of countries ranked by Economic Freedom (less Government intrusion) and tell me which you would rather live in – those with the most Economic Freedom or those with the least?
          http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

        • hopeforamerica

          DaveH; Wrong Dave… it’s called; collusion. It’s happened before… and that’s why we need government who inact Anti-trust in addition to Anti-monopolistic laws. Maybe you trade, invest, or work for the insurance industry Dave?? Otherwise, why would you or anyone be against a law which is good individuals, and for business.

          Lastly, Libertarians are the Worst… worse than republicans! In fact, Libertarianism is one level above Anarchy! What total Chaos that would be.

          • Don Tremaine

            And democrats are one step away from an oligarchy!

          • DaveH

            Name me one company Hope that was a monopoly other than the ones that were granted monopolies by the Government.

            Liberals love to make unfounded statements as if they are fact.

            The fact is that this country became the greatest country in the world due to its Libertarian-style Freedom. And the countries that have practiced what you preach have failed miserably.

            I’ll bet you didn’t even look at the link I posted. I imagine it would threaten your sensibilities to do some actual reading and thinking. Liberals would much rather embrace Hopes and Dreams than to learn reality.

          • DaveH

            And by the way, Hopeless, it does not bother me a bit for you to insult Libertarians. I expect it from ignorant people. In fact your comments are good for my party. What would bother me is if starry-eyed Liberals embraced the Libertarian ideals.

          • Michael J.

            Forget it people, hopeforamerica is another plant. I can spot them right away now. Their post sound like White house talking points. Imagine Robert Gibbs making the same arguements. Also the way they name things like, “hope for america”, Translation=Death to Democracy.
            “Healthcare Reform”, Translation=mandated government control, death to the non-producers. “Progressivism”, Translation=Regressivism. What ever the name implies, expect the opposite.

      • Don Tremaine

        hopeforamerica,
        Obama has never tried to include a bipartisan exchange. We’ll pass it with you or without you. Until Brown won Massachusetts. Now they’ve backed off some. They’re afraid now.

      • Joe H.

        hey Hopeless,
        you say the republicans came up with absolutely nothing on health care? that they were anything but bipartisan? Check out HR 956 co-sponsored by Steven Latourette (R) Ohio and Mary Kaptur (D) also Ohio. It basically puts the politicians on the same insurance as us!!! never got past the floor, it was tabled so fast!!!!

    • Joe H.

      Tim,
      he probably has produced a good number of jobs!!! Can you imagine the number of people it has taken to count out 12 trillion dollars???? What a joke the man is!! Speaking of that I was in the Dr.s office today and a little old lady in a wheel chair was pushed in the door. When her name was called 2 or 3 times she said here and the nurse said oh I’m sorry I didn’t see you there. Some guy said At least she didn’t say stand up and walk this way like Joe Biden would!!! The whole office cracked up!!!!

  • Robert J

    Why wait for his term to end lets recall the bum if possible, I must say I lived thru the peanute picker but O is far more dangerous

    • DaveH

      Maybe Obama and crew are the best thing that has happened to this country. I have never before seen so many people who are waking up to the dangers of Big Government. That is a good thing.
      Now maybe they will start looking into the benefits of the kind of freedom that our founders envisioned.
      Free people are better behaved than unfree people because they have only themselves to blame if they fail, and they have nobody to rebel against. For instance, the most rebellious teens I knew were those who had very controlling parents. People want to be free to make their own mistakes, and of course, they should be held responsible for their own mistakes.
      The Libertarian Party offers that kind of Freedom. They offer Individual Freedom, Individual Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • hopeforamerica

        Libertarian party would be a total disregard for the freedoms of most!

        • J C

          Completely wrong. It is the only hope for LIBERTY….notice its built right into the name? Why don’t you actually try and use some reasoning?

        • Don Tremaine

          Which freedoms would that be? Freedom to collect government programs from the taxpayers?

          • DaveH

            Right on Don.
            Hope thinks being able to steal from others is a freedom.

        • JeffH

          hopeforamerica, same mantra differant name, zero substance. Another liberal hack!

  • Robert

    Today, when Obama gives his 11 millionth televised speech, I hope someone asks him if this new spending he is proposing will be truly transparent to all Americans and how he plans to hold accountable those who would profit illegally from it. And none of us should accept the governments last feable attempt to put it on the internet. What a joke and waste of money that was. Last time he said money was going to be spent on shovel ready projects. Too bad the shovels were full of excrement.

    • hopeforamerica

      Robert; Maybe where you live.. there is plenty of shovel ready projects where I live. Secondly, if you live in a state where Your Governor had stalled in accepting the stimulus money, or did not take all the stimulus money, it would have delayed any recovering in your or those states.

      • DaveH

        Sure, Bigger Government is the answer. They are so efficient. Here is a list of some of their failures:
        http://community2.myfoxdfw.com/_History-of-Government-Failure/blog/628997/78592.html?b=

        • DaveH

          People rarely spend the money of others as wisely as they spend their own hard-earned money. The Government is people, and they are spending the money of others.
          If spending money was the answer to a good economy, there would be no poor countries. Any dumdum can spend money.
          The question is what makes people productive? I know that I am going to be less productive if somebody takes my hard earned money away and gives it to somebody else. And I know that if I was on the receiving end of that largess, I certainly wouldn’t work harder.
          So how do you think it is going to make our economy better if peoples’ hard earned money is wasted on projects that aren’t in demand by the citizens?

          • DaveH

            If those projects were in demand, the people would gladly spend their money on them without the force of Government.

          • hopeforamerica

            Dave: Without Government you have total Chaos! Nothing would be accomplished, there would be gross ineffiencies, lawlessness, etc.

          • hopeforamerica

            Dave; All projects are good for citizens. Any infusion no matte rthe project, particularly when it creates jobs or saves jobs, is good for the economy.

          • J C

            I’ve come to the conclusion that “Hope” is a straight up communist.

          • DaveH

            Hope,
            You might try telling that to the Cubans or the Haitians.

            Stretch your brain a little. It won’t be hard as there is plenty of unused space there. Imagine people being paid by the Government to catalog all the rocks in the desert. It would be work, no doubt. But their product is undesirable to the citizens. Nobody would pay voluntarily for that effort. The money they would be paid, of course, has to come from people who are actually producing real products that people desire in a Free Market. How long do you think the victims of the theft will continue to work hard to produce useful products when they see that their money is just being wasted?

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Yup, ALL projects are good for the economy!! Like the time the government spent over ten million dollars for the study of sex habits of earth worms!!! Now that was money well spent!!!

        • Robert

          I just finished listening to Obama’s 11 millionth speech. All he can say is it’s Bush’s fault. I’m sick and tired of him and his excuses. He’s been in office for a year and the only thing he’s done is put us deeper in debt and forced more government control onto us. Well here’s what I want him to do. You want to give them lowlife terrorists American legal rights and close Gitmo. Then put our money where you mouth is. Build up Governors Island in New York City to house these SOB’s. Try them there and keep them out of the City. As far as our harsh winters are concerned, NYC has plenty of electricians who would be more than willing to hook up electricity to their beds that they sleep in. Get with it Obama, your BS doesn’t meet the real challenges our country faces. Go back to your community service activist role and let a real President lead this country. And on the way out, take your whole crew of inept democrats with you. I’m sure there’re capable of sweeping floors and cleaning toilets on Govenors Island. They should feel right at home.

          • Joe H.

            Robert,
            Sounds like that old jimmy dean song coal minor should remember it 16 tons. Load 16 tons and what do you get another day older and deeper in debt!!!! the only difference here is that the 16 tons is BS!!!!

      • Don Tremaine

        hopeforamerica,
        There lies your problem. Do you have any idea where the stimulus money comes from? All the good citizens that have jobs and paying punitive taxes to support these government programs. There is no mention of free stuff from the government in the constitution. There is no amendment to the constitution that gives people the right to collect taxpayer money because they need it. America is not about communism socialism or democracy. We are a republic, a nation of laws. The rights of the individual outweigh the rights or needs of the many. This is completely contrary to your ideology. The way you talk you should move to Europe or Canada where they are already socialists. Socialism is unconstitutional.

      • Robert

        Oh yeah, one more thing. I just put on an old Bob Dylan album to listen to Desperation Road. The song is befitting to Obama.

  • Meteorlady

    There are some things the American people can do too. Don’t support the big banks or AIG or any other company that took stimulus money. AIG’s insurance division is now renamed to 21st Century Insurance and they are run just as badly as before. In our town we have a small bank called Community Bank. They are involved in the community and community charities and when you walk in they know you. Granted we are a smaller town, but it works for me. Support local Credit Unions. Don’t buy AARP insurance or services since they bailed on us and supported the health care bill. I have done all these things even for my Mother who lives in a big city. I moved her banking to a local Credit Union that is not for profit and works wonderfully.
    Stimulus is not needed. As for “Green” jobs and global warming. Manufactured by some in the government and private industry to feather their nests. Even NASA has cooked the numbers on warming by eliminating 5000 of the 6000 spots they took temperature readings from around the world. Pelosi’s husband, along with Al Gore are highly invested in things to do with Cap and Trade. We loose, they win.

    • hopeforamerica

      MeteorLady; Lol. You know Nothing about economics, do you?! Only an ignorant person would say,” stimulus is not needed” or the naive stance on global warming or green jobs. This is one reason why I haven’t participated in these blogs of late. I’m so sick and tired of reading blogs from uneducated people… or at least those whose knowledge of politics, economics, and the cold hard facts are nonexistence. Your problem is you live in a small town, lack the education, which leaves you vulnerable to the likes of; Beck, Faux News, Palin, and Rush.

      • J C

        Hey hopey…I notice you use no facts. Typical of the emotionally driven Obamunista’s. YOU are the one who knows nothing about economics.
        Stimulus money is artificial and devalues all of the existing artificial currency…it’s called inflation and any 4 year old can work that one out!
        Control and manipulation of banking, credit and the issuance of currency is the 5th Plank of the Communist Manifesto. So don’t come in here advocating communism and call yourself an American. The “Hope” you have for America is the same one Mao Tse Tung and Josef Stalin had.

        • J C

          OH! And now Obama too.

          • DaveH

            4 years old? You’re being a little hard on Hope. I figure Hope is at least 12.

        • hopeforamerica

          JC; The manipulation of banking was the crooked shinannigans of bankers who grossly mismanaged their capital. Unfortunately, the state of the economy required stimulus. When the banks stop lending, the gov’t becomes the bank of Last Resort. Without the stimulus we would have suffered a much worse economic downturn and would have become a depression. Pres. Obama came into office right in the middle of the Worst Economic down turn since the 1930′s. The stimulus was based on demand economics. And yes, we all worry about inflation and even stagnation, but you can’t worry about inflation when you have to put out the fire. Lastly, your utilization of, ‘communism’ is ridiculous. Boy, have you and Your comrades fallen hook, line and sinker for the right-wing lies and gross misrepresentations. In fact, they count on ignorant people like you to do just that.

          • DaveH

            Wow, and you had the audacity to tell MeteorLady “You know Nothing about economics, do you?! Only an ignorant person would say…”.

            Only clueless Liberals need to launch personal attacks in Lieu of the Facts.
            Our economy was busted because an artificial bubble was created partly as a result of too much money creation, and partly as a result of Government coercion of banks to lend to unqualified borrowers who eventually defaulted on their loans.
            Read Thomas Sowell’s book on “The Housing Boom and Bust”.
            There are many online sources where you can get a clue. Here is just one of those many:
            http://reason.org/news/show/the-housing-boom-and-bust
            Learn something and make informative comments instead of resorting to the typical Liberal tactic of personal attacks.

          • J C

            Good Lord…you really just don’t have a clue. You’re completely unaware of where this so called “money” comes from aren’t you.
            It comes from the Fed…a privately owned bank that has bought and paid for this and every government since Wilson. I really have to wonder how it is that people manage to reach voting age and still be so completely clueless about the reality of this.

          • Don Tremaine

            hopeforamerica,
            This economy is not as bad as what Carter gave Reagan by a long shot. The Stimulus would have actually done some good if it were given with conditions on how is would be used. This would not be by Obama or his sycophants. Some one with actual financial experience should have been consulted. No bonuses for the executives, no pork, no social programs. The reason for the financial meltdown on bad loans was the fault of the liberals in congress. They thought it would be good for more people to realize the American dream to own a home. It didn’t matter that they could not afford the loans. It didn’t matter if they had bad credit. Then these loans were packaged up and sold to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Many of the loans that were renegotiated again faulted. These people should have been screened better; both at the onset and the outset. Only help the ones that truly had good credit but ran aground by the economy. Obama is only interested in converting America into a socialist state. You people are what Stalin called “useful idiots”

          • Joe H.

            Hope,
            Why don’t you state some of those “cold hard facts” you speak of? I haven’t heard you state one yet!!! Facts would be along the line of FACT Obama said he was a Muslim in his book. FACT, Obama said that he would come down on the side of the Muslims in the same said book and in one of his speaches!! Fact, Obama promised TRANSPARANCY and has had more closed door meetings with special interest groups than any president in the last 20 years!!! Those are FACTS try some!!!!

        • hopeforamerica

          JC; Without the banks.. you wouldn’t have an economy. Banks are the heart of an economy. As distasteful as it was for our gov’t, they were forced to inject TARP funds into the failing banks. And BTW, we taxpayer have received most of the TARP money back and have made billions of dollars off the TARP loans to banks!

          • J C

            How very simplistic and innaccurate.

          • DaveH

            The message from the bank bailouts is that it does no good for banks to do the right things because their money (and ours) will just be used to support the banks that did stupid things. So those bankers who did the wrong things get to survive and continue competing with the banks that did the right things.

          • Joe H.

            Hope,
            Me again. Yup they paid it back and with interest!!! And Obamas plan is to tax them for using tarp funds. So I guess there goes your arguments that the states that refused to take or only took part of the funds offered were hurting those states recovery, huh??? How about the states that have balanced budgets? How have their leaders hurt the recovery in their states?
            Tax the rich? When was the last time you got a job from a poor man? Especially a good paying job!?!?!?

      • Don Tremaine

        hopeforamerica,
        It’s people like you that will destroy America. I live on the Left coast(California) in the bay area. I am a college graduate. I just didn’t major in liberal arts. I majored in engineering, something that deserves a paycheck at the end of the week. It’s the liberal arts idiots that preach about the good that can come from communism. The sort of feel good stuff of fairy tales. I work for my money and the government has no RIGHT to forcibly take it from me to give to you. I do not know you and do not want to support you. Get a better job and definitely stay away from unions and other communist organizations. The government can fix the economy if they allow the private sector to do their thing and keep their nose out of the mix.

        • JC

          Don I commend you on your choice of careers. The nature of your choice can’t help but be productive. Having spent a lifetime building the things that Engineers design I have great respect for the process.
          From where I stand I see people above me putting the ideas on the table, people next to me building a budget and a design and boots on the ground putting hands and minds to tools and equipment to bring it to fruition…NO where do I see the need for a government to extort the process in order to create “sit at home checks” for the slovenly and the lazy. Hope thinks the government needs to stimulate the economy? I think you and I know that starting from your drafting table to my site trailer and all the way to the receptionist moving into her new office people like us stimulate the hell out of the economy. In fact we’d do much better at it if we weren’t dragging a behemoth, out of control government and all of its sheep like dependants around on our backs. Think about how many people our process employs…its mind boggling.

      • usmadgirl

        Hope(less)for America,

        You have the right to express your opinion, right now, until your “Savior” takes THAT “right” away, but you don’t have the right to attack Meteorlady’s (& others’) character, education or knowledge. You also have no right to call people from small towns “uneducated” when you have no idea what the crap you’re talking about! People from smaller towns are usually taught the “truth” instead of all the politically correct liberal NONSENSE that some schools in large cities “teach”.

        As for “being vulnerable to the likes of Beck, Faux News, Palin & Rush”, they are the only people who tell the truth, show both sides & back ALL of their information with FACTS – something you would know absolutely NOTHING about if you watch & rely on the “MessiahStreamMedia” who spew only lies, half-truths, or avoid subjects altogether to fit their own Socialist agenda!

        You couldn’t be very intelligent if you want to have or have to have the government telling you what to do! If you actually BELIEVE all the Communist Propaganda that you’re trying to sell to the rest of us, then not only are you uninformed & uneducated, you are just plain evil!

  • David A. Celaschi

    All I have to say is we need to get these check writing,lying,thieving,two bit politions out of our Govt,ASAP before they do any more damage to our U.S.A.!And we need to bring charges against them and appropiate punishmentfor their deeds!I don’t care what anyone else says-this idiot is not a natural born citizen of this country! There is to much evidence against him!

    • Gene

      I agree with you!!!!!

    • Gene

      You should read some of the Crap this guy “hopeforamerica” is saying! (words removed for offensive content)

      • DaveH

        Isn’t it amazing that the Liberals consider themselves “peace lovers”, yet attack people personally every chance they get?
        The truth is that they have very few logical arguments so they resort to the manipulation of name-calling, ridicule, and condescension in an attempt to get their way.

        I actually appreciate their comments because people can see the stuff that Liberals are actually made of, and it isn’t pretty.

        • hopeforamerica

          Dave; Check out the insults, and name calling that were directed at me.

          • Claire

            You know, there is no need for insults and degradation. Can’t subjects be discussed without the petty bickering? This is America, we ALL have freedom of speech. We all have the right to express our opinions, good, bad, right or wrong. We all have our individual beliefs.
            I think we are all here for the common good of America. Remember the two party system? Well, this is what it has come down to. And I say we need to vote for the person, not the party. I have reached the point where I believe it will not make any difference who is elected, none of the politicians will work together to straighten out this mess. WE need to elect NEW people.

          • DaveH

            Show me a commenter who called you names that wasn’t first personally attacked by you Hope.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            I’ll make it easy for him. I was one when I saw the BS he was spewing and not backing up a thing like the ones he was posting to. Like his post about how he came here from other sites that “uneducated people” were posting on!!! He needs to remove his poofy little ladies hat and poofy sleeves rolled up and do a decent days work for a change!!!! He hasn’t learned that hard work is good for the soul!!!

  • J C

    This criminal imitation President won’t be happy until we have hit hyperinflation and people are destitute. This is how dictatorships take control. Time to invest in precious metal’s like lead. (maybe silver and gold too. ;))

    • DaveH

      I would like to say (for those fence straddlers) that once inflation starts, prices will move up fast. Once the first signs appear, people will start piling on hard assets to protect their savings. Prices will rise rapidly as people start realizing that they better buy those assets soon, before their dollars are worth less.
      So if you’re planning to wait until it starts to protect your money, all I can say is good luck.

      • Claire

        DaveH–I am already prepared in more ways than one. It is called “stockpiling.” I have quite a lot of non-perishable food, dog food, canned goods, paper items, etc. And my husband has his supplies. I buy items every week, I hit the sales at the grocery store. Before long, we won’t have any room for furniture!

        • DaveH

          Good move Claire.

          • Claire

            DaveH–I started hoarding late last summer!! I have to laugh. I honestly am running out of room here. But, at least my husband is ok with it. I feel bad for him. He is really concerned about everything that is going on and I am too. I’m not trying to be doom and gloom but there will not be any “good” times ahead. I’ve lived most of my life and I worry about my son and daughter and their families. My son is “tight” like his Dad, and I always laugh and tell them they squeak when they walk! My daughter and her husband spends every dime they make with no thought of tomorrow. I have tried to tell her and her husband but they aren’t listening. A day will come when they come crying to me that they are broke or whatever. Well, I am ready for them. I know it sounds cruel but geez, these two will reap what they sow!

      • Claire

        My husband already has his gold, and keeps adding to it. It is really pathetic that it has come down to this sorry state of affairs.

        • DaveH

          Yes, it is. Here it was handed to us on a silver platter and we have apathetically let it slip through our fingers.

          • Claire

            Yes, you are correct. Every chance in the world to make things aright and puff, gone.

          • Claire

            I think “aright” is a correct word! I haven’t seen it for so long!

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          Be sure to rotate your stocks as you use them. I wouldn’t want you to go to use them and find out they are no good!!!!

          • Claire

            Hi JoeH–My husband takes care of the money. I always tell him “just so you know what you’re doing.” Oh, by the way my husband has been with the Masons for 50 years now, and he no longer has to pay dues. He couldn’t go to the meeting this past week because of the icy roads so they called him today. Gosh, the years flew by too fast!

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            I’m talking about your canned food stocks!! Use them oldest to the newest so they are always good!!! Better yet get some cases of LRRP rations to be assured if there is a shutdown of transportation!!! Check out sportsmanguide.com for them. They aren’t really that bad!!

          • Claire

            JoeH—Whoops! You know where my mind was. Money! Yes, I watch the dates on the cans. I use them as I have to, but always replenish. Egad, I think I was tired or something! Too much on my mind. Have a good day!

    • Robert

      Lock and Load! Maybe that’s the only message Washington understands.

  • hopeforamerica

    JC; Reference: Economics, William A.McEachern, 8th Ed

    • Don Tremaine

      hopeforamerica,
      Does this guy believe in demand side or supply side economics? This could make the difference for me

    • JC

      Hope I commend you for your ability to remain civil. However, I remain diametrically opposed to everything you say. Asking me to reference someone’s point of view on economics is all well and good but it’s as simple as this for me…is he a Keynsian? a Hamiltonian?
      There are so many so called “experts” out there who advocate a system of control for the “good of the people” it’s ridiculous. I won’t waste time on it. I’m a straight up Free Market Capitalist who looks forward to the day we actually get to try a free system without criminal government involvement.

  • hopeforamerica

    Dave: And BTW; I like the services government provides and I’m glad to pay for them! Including a School Bond which would raise my property taxes and offer several improvements to our schools.

    • DaveH

      Then Hope, pay for them. That is your right. It isn’t your right however to spend other peoples’ money.

      • J C

        No kidding Dave. Can you believe that people think the government can give them things? Government produces nothing…so whatever it “gives someone” is obviously stolen.

        • Claire

          Personally, I don’t owe the government anything. I have worked hard my entire life. I never expected a handout nor did I ever want one. I have too much pride. It would be degrading to me to ever want the government to support me. I pay my taxes, live a decent life, and I expect a decent, trustworthy and honest government. Well, guess what? It isn’t happening. And it won’t happen until everyone is voted OUT of office. No more incumbants. New people is the answer.

          • DaveH

            Well, not quite. Scott Brown is a new person, but he certainly hasn’t embraced smaller government. He just has a different agenda than most Democrats.
            As long as we don’t make a concerted effort to put candidates in office that promise to reduce the size of Government, we are going to continue to see Bigger Government. That’s how we got where we are now.

          • Claire

            DaveH–I think Scott Brown made some stupid comments about his daughters, but I think he was so excited that it just came out. I did look him up, and I am not quite sure about him yet. But he is a better choice than that woman. She did totally nothing. She thought she had it in the bank. Well, surprise!!! Nothing is for granted.
            Oh–what happened between Arlen Specter and Michelle Bachman? I heard a bit about it this morning but haven’t watched any news to see what actually happened. His voice sounded like he was sick or something.

          • JC

            Claire, thought for you: Try not think in terms of “your/my” taxes.
            They aren’t “your” taxes. They are a fee levied on you by a (criminal) system that has enslaved you to the purpose. Buying into the idea that I’ve paid “MY” taxes is is part of the indoctrination we’ve recieved. It isn’t much different than a small shop owner paying a gang to keep the hood safe. You’ll pay or you’ll suffer.

          • DaveH

            Good analogy JC. It is very much like the protection Organized Crime offered businesses. Like Organized Crime, the Government will make you suffer if you don’t accept their “Protection”.

          • Claire

            JC–Of course, I realize they are not my taxes-they are government
            taxes and if we don’t pay taxes we are in deep doodoo. My point was that I try to live a decent life and I do not partake in welfare etc. There are politians that get by without paying the piper and they come out smelling like a rose. The unmitigated gall of these deadbeats. Death and taxes are a fact of life. No getting around it. Taxes will not be eliminated. If the Republicans get in office, they may not raise taxes but they sure won’t eliminate them either.

          • JC

            Gotcha Claire, like I said, Just a thought ;)

        • Joe H.

          JC,
          I have to call you on that statement that the government produces nothing! they are very good at producing fertilizer! With the amount of Bulls..t they spread they have to be good at it!!!

      • Robert

        I believe HOPEFORAMERICA and DENNISO are identical twins or are one and the same. You get that feeling?

        • LindyMaeUSA

          You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, Robert! Boing!! I was wondering HOW MUCH LONGER it would take for one or more of you intelligent, intuitive “regulars” to pick up on denniso posing as hopeforamerica!

          When the Liberal hopeforamerica said earlier: “Obama is an honorable man” and “he did NOT lie” my memory instantly returned to that infamous (and WONDERFUL) night of September 21, 2009 when Obama was lying through his teeth about his DeathCare bill on national television and (obviously!) Rep. Joe Wilson couldn’t “stomach the garbage anymore” so he shouted: “YOU LIE!” . . . A night and incident I will NEVER forgot! Oh, it was glorious and I was astonished anyone in the Washington Wolfpack had enough GRIT to say something so bold! GOD BLESS YOU Joe Wilson! Your name definitely went in the history books that night! :-)

    • Don Tremaine

      hopeforamerica,
      I also do not mind paying for services. These are local services paid for by sales and property taxes. I disagree with all the programs that only help a few. I knew a guy back in the late eighties who had a girlfriend on welfare. They wanted to get married. His first condition was that she first go=t off welfare. She found a job and it was a considerable loss in financial support. It took her a few years to get to the same point. The issue seems that welfare pays too good. Welfare should be less that the worst you could be with a job and only last for a short time. They did get married and lived happily.
      The school thing should be distributed as vouchers. Then families can choose the schools. This would force the schools to improve of go out of business. Teachers should never reach “tenure”. That is just STUPID. This should be an at will job like every other job. There should not be any unions. There are very few issues that I can agree on with a liberal. Even when I agree on the issue we’ll disagree on the implementation. I believe that the government always screws up whatever they touch so get out of the way and let the experts run things. Just make them accountable.
      Don

      • Claire

        I don’t mind paying for services either but by gosh, when people will NOT look for a job because they want to draw all the unemployment they can really honks me off. And yes, they do make more money by drawing unemployment than if they would find a job at Wal-mart or Hardees, or someplace like that.
        Also, when Illinois started the Lottery years ago, it was begun with the idea that the money would go for education. Well, guess what!! It didn’t happen.
        Now we have to vote for a new governor. And the pickings aren’t good.

        • Robert

          Granted, there are many on unemplyment who are not looking for a job. I’ve been out of work for a year. My week consists of surfing the job boards and applying for positions I’m qualified for, at least 1 trip to NYC or Jersey City each week to fill out a job application and be interviewed (Keeps my interviewing skill sharp). Over the past year, my efforts have resulted in more than two dozen job interviews. Now we get to the nitty gritty. I’m a business analyst in the financial service sector with over 42 years successful track record. I’m not about to take a business analyst position for $15-$22 an hour. And you might ask why? Because of the B1H1 imports who are lowballing the american worker. Two weeks ago, I was a lock for a 6 month project only to get called a few days before finalizing a contract and told that I would have to accept 60% less if I wanted the job. Guess what, the company had an individual who accepted the position for less. Never mind their experience was no way near mine. And that person wasn’t an American. This is the situation across this sector. And congress just increased B1Hi visas another 625,000. Now I have another opportunity and should hear this comming week if the client is interested in interviewing me. I don’t get my hopes up too high and am resigned to the fact that the foreign imports in this country are vying for these jobs as well. The last employment I had, was interesting. Most all the developers were foreigners. But it took an American to design and write detailed specification for them to build (code) the technology. It took us Americans to test the applications and identify the flaws in the programming. And when we communiticated the flaws or errors made in the coding, these people became indignant and arrogant. Back in the late 80′s Americans who were talented as programmers were earning $85M or better. Of course these were people who had many years of experience. Then outsoucing was allowed and bingo, these Americans were facing competition oversears for a fraction of their rate. Case in point, Average rate for a programmer in Mumbai, India is $14 hr with no benefits. So please don’t get too upset if you see unemployed Americans increase. It’s really hard for a person with a family to accept $10-$12 and hr, pay taxes on that income and provide adequate support to their families when they either got laid off or downsized from a job that paying them $18-$26 an hour. Personally, I believe anyone working in this country on a B1H1 visa should have a Federal Income Tax applied of 45% and a State Income tax of 12% and a law passed that none of their earned income can be transferred out of this country for 1 year.

          • Joe H.

            Robert,
            You are spot on!!! These people are coming here and ruining it for the people that want to work here and raise their children. They are sending money hand over foot out of the country as there are as high as 5 to 7 people living in the same single family dwelling home and together are making quite a lot of money and sending the surpluses home to bring others here to continue the process.
            My father and mother bought a home in Adrian Michigan that had over 15 “Latinos” living in bunks in the basement at one time. A raid finally brought an end to that and the house was put up for sale!!!

          • Norm

            Robert
            I’m an Electrical Engineer (just retired) with a master’s degree. I have seen some of what you are talking about. In my case I’ve witnessed, but fortunatly avoided, good solid Engineers and Computer Science majors replaced by people in India and China. These americans were generally paid in the 80K to 120K per year range. The Asians earned a fraction of that with reduced benefits. They also pay no US taxes. The irony of it is the US technical talent had to train their own replacements.
            I don’t blame the government. I blame the greedy bean counters (accountants)and CEO’s. These overpaid idiots couldn’t produce a salable product if their life depended on it. Like leaches they gain control of companies and bleed them dry. When the technology becomes stale for lack of engineering they dump the company and move on with their bank accounts stuffed.

          • Claire

            Robert–I can tell you are a good person. Things will work out, it may take a little time, but they will work out. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. God bless you for being the person that you are.

  • Don Tremaine

    It’s true that both democrats and republican can be for big government. It is however, more likely a democrat would want big government for the socialism they push. A real conservative will believe in small government but still support the military. Without a strong military we’ll die quickly. It basically means that even if a republican isn’t for a small federal government it is still better than any democrat.

  • Don Tremaine

    DaveH,
    That is a noble cause forcing government to shrink. It would take a complete revamp of Congress. The risk is there will be no experience in Washington. Can you imagine someone even a conservative with the experience of Obama cloned for every position in congress and the White House. There would be no experience to lead. This must be a slow process. The first order of business should be to run out the major socialist first.
    Don

    • DaveH

      Don,
      You think it would be a bad thing to have a bunch of newbies who weren’t creating new laws right and left? I think you give Congress too much credit.

  • jim

    Obama claims to have created 1 million new jobs. With 2 trillion dollars stimulus money that only cost to tax payers 2 million dollars a job. With the unemployment rate still going up, the jobs lost must be gaining on the ones created though. Obama will FIX the economy, like the vet FIXED my cat, it will never work again.

    • Robert

      Remember, figures don’t lie, liars figure. I stopped having any credability in the goverments numerous statisical reports back in the late 70′s after graduating from college. The methodologies used by the Federal Government defy the rules of Probability & Statistics and even GAAP rules that all private sector companies must abide by. GAAP(Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) can never be implemented by the US Government. If they did, the United States of America would have to be auctioned off and liquidated to pay off it’s creditors all over the world. Those Americans receiving social security, medicare and other government entitlements would be in the same boat as common stockholders of a company that filed for bankruptcy. Unfortunately, the same holds true for most of America’s State and Local governments. I don’t have either the solution or answers to this problem except that all US Government, State and Local entities have to stop their out of control spending and cut back on government employee benefits and maybe then they can put their fiscal houses back on the road to sustainable solvency. There is no one answer or one fix to all the problems America faces. All politicians need to have a reality check and start working on solutions one at a time and measure the results honestly before working on the next problem. The majority of American households work through their challenges that way and for the most part are successful. Too bad our politicians refuse to listen to the American people, maybe they could learn a thing or two about responsibility and accountability.

  • Palin12

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  • Rod

    More lies from the radical left. Obama and his criminal’s just don’t get it! Well, if Massachusetts didn’t teach them anything, we will
    just have to take Congress back COMPLETELY. Obama does not have the
    brains of a chicken! We need to impeach this dude!

    • chuck b

      rod

      don’t get your hopes up. the republicans have away of stifling success, they seem unable to run the government. remember the time they stood on the capitol steps and gave us the “contract with america” they gave us a taste then gave up. unless we elect better politicians than we have in the past, its hopeless. we certainly want to get rid of a lot of the current crop along with most of the democrats. back the tea party.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Wake-Up America!
    This is all about MARXISM!
    2011 will make 1929 look like a walk in the Park!!!
    We are now led captive by the MARXIST that primarily women put in office!
    Thanks a lot for being politically correct!
    And quoting above: “Obama does not have the
    brains of a chicken”! However, we can’t impeach him or all are cities will be destroyed and America economically! You asked for it, you got it and you have not seen anything yet out of this “Affirmative Action” Black President! He’ll never allow the 2010 elections!

    • Joe H.

      Victor,
      much as I dislike O-man, please read from a different script for awhile will you?? this one is starting to give me a bit of a headache!!!

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