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Obama Condemns Slavery, Then Celebrates The Life Of Terrorist Nelson Mandela

July 3, 2013 by  

Obama Condemns Slavery, Then Celebrates The Life Of Terrorist Nelson Mandela
OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE PHOTO BY PETE SOUZA
President Barack Obama toured the Maison des Esclaves with the first lady.

“I saw the inconceivable mystery of a soul that knew no restraint, no faith, and no fear…” ― Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness

As his popularity plunged in the United States, President Barack Obama and the first lady went on an African excursion that included a somber visit to South Africa. There, Obama spoke emotionally about the man who so inspired him, fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner and former South African President Nelson Mandela.

Obama has always said that he is walking in the footsteps of greatness, in the footsteps of men like Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi. But the truth is that Mandela is far more like Obama’s other mentor, Bill Ayers, than he is like Gandhi.

Then again, the truth is not something Obama seems to focus on. He mostly concerns himself with three things:

  • The promotion of his African-American agenda.
  • The shifting of America to the far left.
  • His future legacy.

The ‘Door of No Return’

Part of that legacy for the President and the first lady begins with America’s collective guilt over slavery. Little wonder the first stop on the Obama African Express was Senegal.

The New York Daily News captured the story in its headline: “President Obama pays emotional visit to slavery museum.”

Never one to miss a photo opportunity, the President and first lady stood grim-faced at the “Door of No Return” as they visited the Maison des Ecslaves, the point where African slaves were shipped west until the mid-19th century.

No sooner did we learn about the President’s pilgrimage to the African slave house than we learned something new about the President. Yes, folks, he too has slave forefathers.

International Business Times reported:

Until recently, it was thought that Obama did not have any slavery roots — unlike most African-Americans — as his father was born in Kenya and his Caucasian mother was a Kansas native.

Last year, however, website Ancestry.com revealed the existence of a blood line connecting the President’s mother to the first African documented slave in the U.S., John Punch.

The President’s mother! This white lady has roots to slavery. The truth is that if we go back far enough in time, Obama’s father had roots to slave selling. (More blacks are culpable for selling African slaves, but that is an “inconvenient truth” and something liberals will not discuss.)

If we go back far enough, we all have roots to slavery. Each of us has ancestors back to the dawn of time. No doubt some of your and my ancestors were owned, perhaps by those damned Romans. Of course, that is all ancient history — nothing at all like what ended in the 1860s.

Obama’s Selective Memory

While our President can’t forget slave times from 150 years ago, he has amnesia regarding his hero, Mandela, and the atrocities committed by Mandela’s African National Congress (ANC) from the 1960s into the 1990s.

I don’t have roots in Africa, but I spent a month in South Africa in 1990 with my uncle, Dick Myers. At that time, the country was in the grips of racial and tribal violence. (A great read on the atrocities being committed in 1990 is The Bangbang Club: Snapshots from a Hidden War, written by photojournalists who covered it, Greg Marinovich and Joao Silva.)

The focus of my trip was to report on the political climate and whether subscribers should hold or sell their South African gold mining stocks.

While in Johannesburg, we had fancy accommodations that were incredibly cheap. (I think our suite cost $60 an evening because tourism ceased during this time of Western sanctions against the Pieter Willem Botha apartheid government.)

One night, Dick and I decided to take a late-night walk. A few blocks from the hotel, we were intercepted by two white South African soldiers, each packing submachine guns and wearing combat gear.

They told us that some supporters of the ANC, Mandela’s political party, wouldn’t hesitate to execute us on the spot. They escorted us back to our hotel lobby and left us with this: “Don’t be idiots!”

I also remember many South Africans, especially black South Africans, who despised Mandela. Scores of South Africans were convinced that Mandela was a dangerous man, and there was a lot of angst about his upcoming release from prison. Even more hated was his then-wife Winnie Mandela, because she would order executions of political opponents by having them “necklaced” by her gangsters. (“Necklacing” is a method of execution in which a gasoline-filled tire is placed around someone’s chest and arms and ignited.)

Back then, Mandela was seen by people of all races as a man who had not hesitated to use terror to promote the Marxist ideals of the ANC.

Madiba, The Terrorist

Beginning in the 1960s, South Africa was plagued by terrorism. Much of it was committed by the ANC’s guerrilla organization, the MK, which translated to “Spear of the Nation.” That organization was founded in 1961 by Mandela. The next year, Mandela was arrested, convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the government, and sentenced to life imprisonment.

But in 1985, the Botha government offered to release Mandela if he would repudiate terrorism. Not a chance. South African History Online states: “Mandela communicates his refusal of the offer through his daughter, Zinzi Mandela, who reads his statement to this effect at a rally in Soweto on 10 February 1985. He states that the ANC’s [sic] only adopted violence as a means of protest ‘when other forms of resistance were no longer open to us.’”

It seems South African whites and other black groups were responsible for the terror being carried out by the ANC, including the Church Street car bombing in May 1983 that killed 19 people and injured 217 others.

This attack 30 years ago is ancient history to Obama. But it is not so easily forgotten by the people of South Africa, some of whom still have to stand up to the intimidation of Mandela’s political party. Last month, the Mail & Guardian reported that the ANC had lashed out at AfriForum’s youth wing for observing a minute of silence for civilians killed in ANC terror attacks:

On Tuesday, the ANC called AfriForum Youth “irrelevant” and “isolated”, following Monday’s event.

AfriForum Youth said the event celebrated the lives of 19 people killed in the 1983 Church Street bombings. AfriForum Youth’s national president Charl Oberholzer said the ANC tried to rewrite history by portraying its leaders as heroes.

“Thousands of innocent civilians, black and white, paid a terrible price during these violent attacks by the ANC. The event is not only a protest against the ANC’s biased rewriting of history in which ANC leaders are portrayed as blameless heroes, but also an opportunity to celebrate the lives of those who died in terror attacks,” Oberholzer said.

He said the ANC’s “dark history” was often “glossed over.”

“But the reality is that many families are still struggling to cope with the brutal way in which their families were murdered,” said Oberholzer.

“More than 500 people were killed by means of necklacing since 1984, hundreds were set alight while still alive and 250 were killed in bomb or landmine attacks by the ANC. Even though the ANC did sign the Geneva Convention in 1980 and undertook not to target ordinary South Africans, 80% of terror attacks by the ANC targeted innocent civilians,” he added.

ANC spokesperson, Keith Khoza, said AfriForum’s views were “unfortunate”, and said the ANC was not aware of the event.

He said it was necessary for the ANC to rewrite it’s history to some extent, because it had been distorted during apartheid.

But, he said, history had to be factual and based in reality. Khoza added the party encouraged people – “even white people” – to start documenting their own history, whether it occurred pre- or post-1994.

Even white people! How gracious of the ANC. How good of South Africa’s ruling party and Obama’s hosts to allow that “even white” people deserve some consideration.

Obama: An African Or American Leader?

Obama described Mandela, whom he refers to by his clan nickname Madiba, as a “hero for the world” as well as a “personal hero,” adding that Mandela’s legacy “will linger on throughout the ages.”

South African President and ANC leader Jacob Zuma was quick to add that Obama and Mandela “both carry the dreams of millions of people in Africa and in the diaspora who were previously oppressed.”

Silly me, I thought that Obama was supposed to carry the dreams of millions of Americans.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers

P.S. The quote at the beginning of this article is from Heart of Darkness. The reference is about the character Kurtz, but I think it could apply to Obama or Mandela.

P.P.S. Have a happy Fourth of July!

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    This is not a joke.

    Voice of the Voiceless Announces July 2013 as First Annual Ex-Gay Pride
    Month

    Yes guys, I know, you are confused, because you were told that the gayness is “incurable”. That gays are born gays. Period.

    But according to the Voice of the Voiceless, there are people, who used to be gay, but repented and turned straight and some of them are married and have children. Isn’t wonderful.

    And VOV is asking O’Homobama to commemorate the “First annual EX-GAY pride month”

    Event takes place on the National Mall in Washington D.C.
    For the information When, What, Why, Where, Who and How go here:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/07/president-obama-is-asked-to-commemorate-first-annual-ex-gay-pride-month-people-who-used-to-be-gay-and-turned-straight-and-some-of-them-are-married-and-have-children-american-citizens-2462956.html

    How do you think, will Berry invite EX-GAYS in the White House after receiving a hit below the belt?

    But now I think: WHY we, the straights, should be discriminated?

    We should announce August 2013 as Annual Straight PRIDE month.
    Aren’t you proud, Straights? Isn’t exciting.

    • Louis Lemieux

      Facts:
      Some people can only fall in love with someone of the same sex.
      Some people can only fall in love with someone of the opposite sex.
      Some people can fall in love with both.
      All do not have to be in love for sexual activity.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        1 man and 1 woman only according to God. No exceptions, no excuses, no straying from the straight and narrow path. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in country to be a patriot.

        • Louis Lemieux

          Some people know God exists and some people know God does not exist. I’m very sincere with myself when I say I’m not perfect enough to know if God exists or does not exist.
          We are all inspired to search for the truth, just like those who wrote the bible and the U.S. Constitution. I don’t believe in blind obedience to any book or anyone else.

          • Glen Welch

            Here’s the bottom line – God demands that you make a choice. Either accept Jesus or reject him. Failing to make a decision is a decision in itself. It, like rejecting his mission to save you, will lead to the same place. And that place is very real. You should read the book by Bill Wiese if the Bible isn’t enough.

          • Louis Lemieux

            You are free to have your religious beliefs and I am free to have mine. We have freedom of religion in the U.S.
            I consider myself a Christian because I believe in the way Jesus wanted people to treat each others but I don’t necessarily believe everything that was said about Jesus in the bible. The New Testament was written several decades after Jesus’ death and I do have an understanding of human imagination.
            Some people call themselves Christians but are far from treating others the way Jesus wants. Just look at the words they use.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            The more words you say the bigger liar you describe yourself. You are not a Christian and you do not believe in Jesus and you do not believe that the Bible is the Word of God. It is as simple as that.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Nadzieja Batki,
            A liar is someone who deliberately says something that he knows is not true. An opinion different than yours is not a lie. A true Christian will not judge his neighbor as a liar when he is expressing his opinion, he will say instead that he is making a mistake. Are you a good Christian?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “A liar is someone who deliberately says something that he knows is not true”.
            I think you can add to that — “with the intent to take advantage of somebody else”.

          • Bob666

            Yo Louis,
            Very well Stated!

        • nc

          Samurai.,I man and I woman only according to God< That is right if the Bible ran the country. Not so, according the Constitution!
          PS: I have more faith this country will survive than most of the doomsayers here!

          • chocopot

            I love it when Leftists cite the Constitution as a justification for something. So when was the last time your hero, Obozo, showed anything but contempt for the Constitution? When was the last time he stood up to defend our rights as opposed to announcing Executive Orders taking them away? You are a HYPOCRITE – look it up if you do not know what it means.

          • NC

            Chocopot, name a President who did not “announce” an executive order! Name a president who satisfied every citizen every time! What Constitutional right have you lost to an Obama executive order? He defends our rights every day that a foreign country or group does not tell you what to do!

            The fact that I don’t agree with you makes me a hypocrite? If I agreed with you we would both be wrong!

            Do you have any idea how much conservatives like you have spent and how many times they have taken cases to the Supreme Court as prescribed in our wonderful Constitution only to be told that THEIR (YOUR) idea of what the Constitution “says” was wrong?? GO TO ANY LAW LIBRARY AND READ THE MANY VOLUMES OF REPORTS THAT SAY A LOT OF THINGS YOU WISHED WERE IN THE CONSTITUTION ARE NOT THERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR SOURCES TELL YOU!! IT’S A COMPLEX DOCUMENT BEYOND THE SIMPLISTIC MINDS OF CONSERVATIVES MAINLY BECAUSE THE DRAFTERS WERE NOT CONSERVATIVES!

          • chocopot

            You are so far off base you are either self-delusional or a liar. Yes, EO’s have been common, but this clown in the WH issues EO’s every time what he wants is disapproved by Congress or the Supremes so he can rule like the dictator he is. I could write a book on how this guy ignores his oath of office and shows utter contempt for the Constitution, for this nation and its future, and for the well-being of the people. He is a liar, a fraud, a phony, and a poseur. You can spout whatever nonsense you want about “conservatives,” but that does not detract one iota from this clown and the damage he has intentionally caused this nation and its people, and he is not done yet. The worst is yet to come.

          • Nadzieja batki

            Actually you don’t have any faith this country will survive and you are frightened that the “doomsayers here” are right. The “doomsayers here” by the grace of God have a higher chance of surviving.

        • Dave

          Your god? What if I have a different god that dictates something different to me?

          HMmmm???

          In this country, we do not put our hands on the US Constitution to uphold the Bible. If you want that kind of thing, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia may be more to your liking.

        • Bob666

          Yo Page 183,

          Big words from a guy Who hears muffled men’s voices from his Underwear!

          or could it be the Marcus Bachmann sessions are working for you Sammy?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You reap what you sow, Louis. When you practice the art of Forcing your decisions on other people, they Force back.
        Try setting an example and work to eliminate the usage of Government, by one pushy group or the other, to Force their way on other people.
        For Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes with people not being Forced to live their own lives the way somebody else thinks they should — Vote Libertarian!
        http://www.lp.org/platform

        • Louis Lemieux

          You want to be completely free? Go live all alone somewhere in the woods and don’t come out!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your first sentence tells that you have not idea what Freedom or being free is.

          • Louis Lemieux

            It’s so easy to want to be free but not so easy for some to understand that anyone can use his freedom to step on his neighbor’s freedom. That’s the reason we have laws and governments.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re equivocating, Louis. Nobody here is arguing for the right to trespass on his neighbor’s property or body.
            Except, that is, you Liberal Progressives who think that our money is your money to spend as you please. And if we resist, you will send your Proxy Government agents to trespass on our bodies.
            You Liberal Progressives are so easy, Louis. You want me to tie one side of my brain behind my back to make it more fair?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I want to be Free, Louis, so leave this country and take your Thieving, Controlling Progressives with you.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Apparently you do not have a concept of what Freedom or being free means. Having a hissy fit.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        I LOVE my dogs Duke and Lola and my parrot Paco.

        Louis says: “Some people can only fall in love with someone of the same sex.”

        The same sex “love” is LUST and PERVERSION, even if you do not believe in God and His Word.

        “The PLEASURE IS TO BE NATURAL that arises out of the
        INTERCOURSE BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN; but that the INTERCOURSE OF MEN WITH MEN, or of WOMEN WITH WOMEN, IS CONTRARY TO NATURE, which was originally due to UNCONTROLLED LUST.” – Plato (Plato’s dialogues “Laws”)

        “The look on THEIR FACES TESTIFIES AGAINST THEM, and THEY PARADE THEIR SIN like SODOM; THEY DO NOT HIDE IT. Woe to their soul! THEY HAVE BROUGHT DISASTER UPON THEMSELVES.” (Isaiah 3:9)

        “FLEE SEXUAL IMMORALITY. Every sin that a man does is
        outside the body, but he WHO COMMITS SEXUAL IMMORALITY SINS AGAINST HIS OWN BODY.” (1 Corinthians 6:18 – NKJV)

        The bottom line is that Homosexual behavior is UNNATURAL, IMMORAL and UNHEALTHY.

        The Human body was NOT designed for the SAME-SEX sex. It does NOT matter if you believe in Evolution or Creation.

  • Rico Sanchez

    Typical Redneck Rampage RANT by John Myers. You fancy yourself educated about the ‘real world’ visiting Africa yet didn’t think maybe you should be careful about where you are travelling? How do you think REAL Americans think when they have to be careful about where they set foot everyday or does your upscale suburban guards make sure you don’t even have to see an ethnic minority each day?

    Wake up!!

    • jdamsforall

      you sound like one of those communist la raza nut jobs you go off on your tyranny inspired rant of brown skinned supremacy and slaughter of all others who don’t bow down before you you kinda sound like Lucifer dwells in your heart and speaks out of your mouth which means your a prophet of Baal whom Jesus hates and will destroy forever from off the face of the earth

    • Pat Riot

      Rico Sanchez? Pobre Sanchez…

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Marxist your envy and covetousness is showing. No one is stopping you from getting skills, working and saving and then buying a home in an area you envy now.

  • jdamsforall

    Mandela is a bigoted racist who has sanctioned the state sponsored genocide of white people in south Africa since the tower of Babel and Sodom and Gomorrah and on through Egypt and the Philistines and Canaanites blacks -the sons of Ham have enslaved and killed more people than the children of Shem -whites and Japheth- brown skinned people, combined

    • nc

      jdamsforall, what do you call the “state” sponsored genocide of white British troops that the “natives” here in America killed in order to gain our independence from an oppressive government??? Was that something differentfrom the white people that the natives in Africa killed to gain their independence from an oppressive government?? Were they not entitled to be free and kill as many as necessary to gain that independence as we killed as many of the British necessary to get them to leave our country??

      It seems that Obama and Mandela represent countries that reached their goals with very much the same methods! To kill as many as necessary to gain independence!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Two wrongs will never make a right, NC, no matter how hard you Liberal Progressives try to believe otherwise.

  • Maybe

    This is a very interesting article John and much of what you say is true. I am a South African and have lived through the ‘ emancipation of South Africa ‘ by the ANC and grew up under the ‘ Apartheid ” years. As a person who as a child and young man loved my Country greatly, let me say that I despised the Nationalist government but also could not accept the violence and mindless killings of innocent people in my beloved country by the then ‘ terrorists ‘. Accepting that the transition to a so called Democracy was a relief, it is no surprise to me that the situation has been exactly reversed, the persecutors are now the persecuted and nothing has changed for the citizens at large. We have achieved little and blaming our past for what we are now faced with is plainly stupid. My ancestry revolves around German, French and indeed some other rather dubious characters and I find it hard to blame them in any way for my own shortcomings in life. In South Africa, it is the same as anywhere else in the world and being worthy in one’s own eyes is all that counts. In closing, there are many folks who do not see Mandela as a hero in South Africa or Obama as a hero in America. It is mostly those incapable of investigation and responsible thought that see them that way. I see them as very ordinary men who sought greatness through violence and nothing more and have caused more death and destruction in their time than they could possibly have imagined. I neither admire nor despise them, but I have serious doubts as to their real morality. Does one really need to be violent to become important or famous? What a horrendous thought, but then again whatever it takes to be a winner as losers are nothing………. or are they?

  • Louis Lemieux

    Whites of South Africa were dominating the blacks there far greater than the British were dominating the colonists here in America. Nelson Mandela is a saint compared to George Washington when it comes to accomplishing justice with the least possible violence.

    • Vis Fac

      And you know this how? Were you around for in the 1700’s and can offer first hand accounting? I didn’t think so. I’ll wager you ascribe to the global warming hoax as well!

      • Louis Lemieux

        To redress injustices George Washington was at the head of an army fighting the British Empire while Nelson Mandela went more the way of Mahatma Ghandi using civil disobedience. You and I don’t have to be around in the 1700’s to know this is true!

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Before to make your ignorant libtardic comments do some research.
      Nelson Mandel is a Kriminal and terrorism supporter.

      White Genocide in South Africa about which you will not see in any news
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdeYOeQMCbU

      This is the truth behind the so called ‘Rainbow Nation’ of South-Africa!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVWyQVmsHg

      Racist Murders of White Farmers in South Africa
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lF7zSjO2o

      This is a reality in South Africa under your “saint” mandela.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIEqX7aB9U

      • Dave

        Alondra,

        Tell us your experience living under Aparthied as a black women?
        before you or another moronic conservative spouts off from a place of extreme ignorance, why don’t you try understanding the conditions in which these people lived?
        Racists like you believe that the black population never had it so good as they had it under Aparthied.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Moronic Liberal, you are ready to go on the negro “diva” oprah show.

          Moronic Libtard, please prove your Compassionate Diarrhea about Apartheid.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Thank you, Dave67, for yet another example of a “compassionate” Liberal Progressive.
          This is so great. You Liberal Progressives show people what you are really like on a daily basis on this board. I can’t thank you enough for awakening the thousands of people who read this board to the true nature of Liberal Progressives.

          • Dave

            I should be sorry for stupid conservative people I know. But what has compassion got for the Progressive/Liberal movement in the face of the lies, cruelty and anti-freedom tirades of conservatives? Nothing… So I call idiots like you and Alonda what they are…
            Enjoy your racism DaveH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel Free, Dave, to point out anything that I have said which supports your baseless ad hominem attack.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            TODH, Moderator, what is going on with the comment thread as I have not said anything that is derogatory to TODH.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            TODH, I have no reason to diss you, so whatever comment was directed at you, did not come from me.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Just about anyone can put anything on YouTube to discredit someone or an idea. I’m lucid enough to know it’s a small minority that believes N. Mandela is a criminal.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Lucid, or heavily Propagandized?

          • Louis Lemieux

            Lucid. I have studied both sides of the argument. Have you?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            All I have heard is one side for most of my life — The Progressive side. It took independent study to learn that there were other sides to the issue.
            For a guy who has heard both sides, Louis, you sure don’t make a very good argument for your side.
            For instance, you say — “I’m lucid enough to know it’s a small minority that believes N. Mandela is a criminal”.
            Yes and a small minority invented personal computing, radio, and the light bulb. Were they wrong? Your logic is faulty, Louis.

          • Louis Lemieux

            My logic is not wrong. Yes, it’s true there is only a small minority that believes N. Mandela is a criminal. I never said there was something wrong with a small minority inventing something. The first doesn’t have anything to do with the second.

          • vicki

            Cite your sources

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Please cite the numbers of any poll on n.mandela.

          And it does not matter in what brainwashed ignoramus like you “believe”.

          The FACTS are speaking for themselves. Blacks in South Africa build NOTHING. They only destroying EVERYTHING what WHITES build.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17m8OnHC7dQ

          This is how hard working white people live in SA after apartheid. You do not have “believe”. You have to see.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jJSjpztmA

          Bolsheviks’ slogan was: “Who had NOTHING now will have EVERYTHING”.

          Now we know how it ended – in the collective equal poverty without any Rights, except for the ruling class.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Mandela has received more than two hundred and fifty awards over four decades, most notably the Nobel Peace Prize in 1993.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Leftist, what is your concern for South Africa since you are not living there or appear to have lived there? Clean your own home first, straighten out yourself and your family then you can talk and agitate about the world.

      • Louis Lemieux

        What do you know about my home, myself and my family? Nothing much so….

  • ONLYJB1

    Great article! An article of truth! The disinformation that has run rampant for years about the GREAT man Nelson Mandela. I remember the TRUTH! Mandela could be considered no better than the tribal chiefs that sold the defeated people’s of their wars into slavery. Black Africans sold Black Africans into slavery. Those slaves were then sold all around the world to slave owners. Most people in America have no clue to the truths of slavery right here in our own country. The first slave owners in America were actually Black land owners and farmers.

  • Motov

    As if there is a time machine to go back into history and changed what happened. What happened is done, I have no responsibility what happened back then, So why is this making news? Is it because Obozo is going to stick his foot in his mouth again? Is he out unsupervised again? Is he going make up some stupid excuse to give away Taxpayer’s money to people who don’t want/need it? How about this country? You know ,… the USA It is almost July 4th and he is out trying to play a race card to drum up more guilt.
    Impeach the idiot!

    • nc

      Motov, I am going to bet that you did not like Obama before he was elected, like so many here! I am going to bet that he has never done anything that you have approved of, like so many here! I am going to bet that he can not take any action, short of resigning, that you would approve of, like so many here! That makes your evaluation and their evaluation of what he does totally irrelevant! You, as bigots, will not approve!
      Why should he play the race card? He doesn’t need anybody’s vote!
      He can never be President of the United States Barack Obama again!
      Before you condemn his record man up and admit the condition of this country when he was sworn in! 2001-2009 did happen and we are still paying the price for those mistakes and will for the next 60 years!

      • Motov

        I wasn’t happy with the shrub either, Obozo took up where the shrub left off and made our situation even worse, Yes I am a bigot, I dislike lawyers, politicians, and liberals who think we can spend ourselves outta any mess we are in. I think we can do much better without an overbearing government out to destroy the LAW of this land called the Constitution. The shrubs so-called “Patriot” Act, is anything BUT patriotic, Obozo’s “Affordable Care Act” is certainly NOT affordable, How can you expect to pay less when there are bureaucrats added to the medical system? That’s never happened to anything where bureaucrats were added before.
        To save this nation WE MUST REDUCE the government, Obozo added more to it.
        And now we hear about the abuses of these added agencies, Compels me to demand reduction NOW!
        The founding fathers talked about the government by the people, and for the people, so help us God!
        Has now turned to government by the crooks and rip-off the people as much as possible!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I could tell from Obama’s first speech that he was a smooth-talking Big Government lover. And that certainly has nothing to do with his race (half-white, half-black).
        I would support a Black Libertarian in a heartbeat. I would support a Black Female Libertarian in a heartbeat.
        It’s telling to know that the Libertarians were the first to field a Female Vice Presidential candidate. Where were the Women Liberators? There was not a word out of them.
        Progressives don’t really want equality. They merely give it lip-service to get elected. They prove that with their actions.

        • JeffH

          Funny thing, back in Jan/Feb ’08 I spent a month in the hospital and the only channels available were the local station broadcasts and the regional broadcasts of CBS, NBC and ABC. I watch a bit of Obama and thought he was a refreshing political figure…when I left the hospital I had a chance to listen to Obama a little more and I soon realized he was a panderer with words… like “hope & change”…”Yes We Can”(Cesar Chavez used “Sí, se puede” (“Yes, it can be done”). …”Change We Can Believe In”…”fundamentally change America”.

          No substance in his speeches and a lot of generalities. I recognized the fraud because I have first hand experience with substanceless promises.
          I’ve heard these kinds of slogans before…when I was heavily involved with the ILWU in the ’70’s representing my fellow employees as chief steward, union representative and lead negotiator. I was even offered the outgoing local rep’s job by the ILWU before he retired.

          I also saw it on the other side as a manager and company representative in the 80’s against the same ILWU.
          Promises, promises and plenty of deciet and lies.

          Yeah, empty is empty no matter how you present it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Congratulations, JeffH, on losing the blinders.

      • Motov

        I don’t like government that thinks bigger is better. The shrub sucked too with the “Patriot Act” which doesn’t make us any safer, but instead makes honest people criminals who say to TSA No thanks you need a warrant to molest me! as they miss their flights because of their harassments. Obozo adds bureaucrats to government at incredible rates, I am a bigot towards politicians. Especially the ones who never say the truth.

  • Herman

    In reply to Louis Lemieux ,

    I am Namibian born and have lived in South Africa since 1969 and seen how the media both here and internationally have influenced peoples thinking by creating heroes out of terrorists like Mandela and placed them in position of power.

    Whites dominate blacks in the USA – fact

    You have apartheid in the USA – your Indian reserves are shocking and a disgrace – Native Indians live in conditions much worse than most blacks in Africa.I have visited the the USA and seen firsthand the appalling conditions they live in and is perpetuated to this very day and nobody says a word -fact

    The state of Israel is a nationalist socialist state – no different to the South African political model pre – fact -1994 it works whether you like it or not.

    Nelson Mandela is a terrorist -fact The USA CIA ,FBI removed Mandela from their terrorist list only many years after the election of 1994 – fact

    South Africa has slumped from a first world economy under apartheid to a fourth world banana republic under the marxist communist led ANC alliance spearheaded by your hero Mandela !! – fact

    The USA is on a fast slide to nowhere with Obama and his cronies at the helm – fact

    • Louis Lemieux

      Native American Indians are free to live or not to live on Indian reserves and have the right to vote, so do the blacks in USA. In South Africa this was far from the case for blacks.

      Nelson Mandela has never been in favor of killing anyone. He supported the ANC as long as humans were not the targets of bombs.

      The USA is not perfect but it has done a lot showing the way how to unite all humans as one great family in spite of all our cultural, religious, political and ideological differences. Let’s work in favor of what unites all of us and not what divides us.
      Happiness is peace and peace is love and kindness to ALL.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        It is when we put our differences aside and come together for a common cause is when we become strong and invincible. Here is a video from Wild Bill that talks about one of these groups that work to keep people separated.
        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/self-defeating-atheists/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding father
        Devout father

        • Louis Lemieux

          Just because liberals and conservatives in the U.S. have different values is no reason to resort to or encourage violence. Americans are free enough to elect their leaders.

          • Vis Fac

            Are you sure about that? It has been known as fact voter fraud played a big part in the past two elections. Case in point: My father received a thank you letter of support from the DNC at my address. Seeing as how my father NEVER voted Democratic while he was alive (deceased for more than 20 years now )suddenly changed parties and started voting Democratic. If this isn’t enough I pay attention to the media’s political coverage. In ODUMBO’s first election he visited Europe where supposedly that have no influence and the media fawned, swooned, and drooled on each step he took. McCain (who I have no respect for) was for the most part ignored. ODUMBO received (illegal) campaign contributions from Europe (that the media didn’t report on) and out spent the GOP 5 to 1. Political Correctness taught in Liberal indoctrination camps AKA public schools have produced functionally illiterates (the lethargic, indolent, and uninformed) who hang on every syllable the the media prints, airs, or says. Like it or not ODUMBO is the media’s Celebrity President why they endorse a loser is beyond me. As long as media has this kind of power their candidate will win. So in reality there are no free elections at least on a national level. For the time being local races are still open. You cannot change the quagmire in DC but you can affect change at the local level.

          • Louis Lemieux

            No electoral system is perfect, irregularities (that you exaggerate a lot) do happen at times. I prefer to believe in the measures taken by our political system at remediation to those problems.
            Your faith in the wisdom of American voters at the national level is quite low but those voting at the local level are the same ones.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How do you know that he is exaggerating, Louis? No doubt it is just wishful thinking on your part.

          • Louis Lemieux

            To stay in favor as much as possible with the voters the political party in power has to take into consideration the opposition party whose role is constructive criticism. It’s in both party’s interest that electoral problems get resolved.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That answers what?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Progressives, whether they assume the name Liberals or Neoconservatives, have been running the show since the late 1800s:
            http://mises.org/daily/1259

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So why are you and your Dem/Proggie/Leftist ideologues resorting and encouraging violence?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            How is putting aside our differences and coming together under a common cause, this country, inciting violence? Usually people tend to do this peacefully by dialogue and reason. Are Americans free enough to elect their leaders? Yes, they are. But people are so divided into different groups, along with the ever growing size of government (not wanted by our Christian founding fathers), that some Americans vote for reasons other than who should lead the country and why. Just ask the 47% on the government dole that voted for Obama bin Laden. Voting for the one that promises free stuff is not American, it is laziness and indifference. Two things a man, or good American, is not to be. Here is some good news from Egypt.
            http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Egypt/2013/07/03/id/513246?s=al&promo_code=140F5-1
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “It it better to fight for something than to die for nothing.”
            General George S. Patton Jr.

          • Louis Lemieux

            samurai,

            If you believe all of the 47% who paid no income tax to the federal government voted for Obama, you are well misinformed. Romney never said that, he said they were more inclined to vote democrat.
            You are also mistaken if you believe Obama’s name is Obama bin Laden. I love the truth to stick out!

    • Vis Fac

      This is exactly what I witnessed and heard when I was in SA. For some Mandella is a hero others a villain.

    • Dave

      Hmmm… You know for years the USA supported the racist Apartheid regime right? Nah… why would you know that?
      You need to leave out a few details for your BS to sound right.
      The Native Indians should be happy with what white old men have given them right?
      Geez…..

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The expert in BS calls out somebody else for BS. Priceless.

        • Dave

          That is your MO DaveH. Enjoy your racism anmd ignorance. You wear it well.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cite a single example of racism in my comments, Dave, you lying slandering Liberal Progressive.

          • Dave

            You buy into mr Myers uneven rant about Mandela. You are a racist. DaveH, you are a conserative which means you lie for a living, save one thing but support another. You like about liberals, you lie about progressives and you can’t even answer the questions I put to you because you will be exposed as the lair you are.
            Please continue to believe mises is factual, George W Bush was a progressive, the biggest economy in the world with 300 million people can have small Gov and that the world can exist with “free” markets as you define them with diffent currencies, economic structures and forms of Gov.
            I hope Mises pays well because you spend more time here than I do.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave falls off his rocker.
            Dave, you have no credibility. Those who can stomach to read your rabidly Liberal Progressive comments know that.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            TODH, Nadzieja (which is me, myself and I) doesn’t plan to fall of her rocker. I needed the image and the laugh.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think that Dave was changing his ID to see if he could get away with it, your name being used as one of his changes. After I called Bob into it, he must have had his techs change the names to Dave’s real ID. Sorry for any pain I may have caused you.
            The comment near the top by Ciccio was earlier given the name “Dave”, but I guess Bob didn’t spot that one.
            I suspect that Dave, Dave67, Flashman, and others are just different names for the same deranged Progressive who has been populating this board for years now.

  • Warrior

    For about $100 mil, we should at least receive a “photo” album, wouldn’t you think? In Africa, on the other hand, let’s see, $7 bil will get you 4 – 500 megawatt nuclear reactors, 10 green energy start ups or some more really well off dictators. And to think just 10 short years ago, you could “buy” the most powerful afghan warlord for a measly $7 mil. How times have changed!

    • vietnamvet1971

      Well after all is said and done we still have the Royal Family and his EVIL Kingdom.

    • Fred Reinhard

      The Chicago Organizer & Great Dividers,” 100 Million Dollar Love Me Tour”, could have been used to send thousands of Inner City young people to a summer camp, where they could be away from the drugs and murder and realize there is a life worth living for; Or the millions could also be used to start rebuilding the inner cities infrastructure; which the POTUS always used as Sound Bite on the campaign trail.
      Not to mention his concern for Carbon Footprints, which I’m sure OUR Airforce One must leave a discernible trial, that would make Al Gore go ballistic!
      This Racist and Divisive POTUS constantly showing disdain for OUR USA; using our TAX DOLLARS to spread an image of the USA as a country that still has not gotten it right and must make restitutions.
      When I put out OLD GLORY today for the 4th of July I will thank God for my blessings having come to the USA in 1950 with my parents.

      • Vis Fac

        I Celebrate Independence Day not the 4th of July. As I said earlier Americans have terminal short term memories. I remember I never forget. Our constitution worked well for about 210 years after which due to political correctness it started its dying spiral. I hope that while there is a chance (slim as it may be) of recovery people will wake up and stop being herded like sheep to slaughter. Happy Independence Day folks!!

    • Vis Fac

      Nuclear reactors are not considered to be green. To be green you cannot have a negative impact on nature should an accident occur.

  • laura merrone

    Where is the fact that “whites dominate blacks in the USA”? I’ve lived in the US all my life and notice that if Blacks would follow the same principles as white historically have followed, ie, graduate from high school and or college, stay out of trouble and work hard, they have had the same opportunities to succeed. I think some of the problems are cultural and not racist. I just would like you to show where you got your “facts” from.

    • Alex

      Wrong. The problems are Environmental.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        The environment has nothing to do with it. It is beliefs, upbringing, living conditions, financial status, living off of the government, etc., that affect how things end up. So many people in this country has the give me attitude and not the attitude of self reliance and personal responsibility. Here is an article from Michelle Malkin that deals with this.
        http://www.www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/07/03/rescuing-citizenship-and-civic-virtue-n1632649/page/full
        Here is one about the racist Jamie Foxx.
        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/jamie-fox-wears-trayvon-martin-shirt-to-bet-awards-because-hes-a-racist/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “And this be our motto: ‘In God is our trust.'”
        Francis Scott Key
        Star Spangled Banner
        4th verse

      • Motov

        Environmental? Meaning they live in trashed out dwellings?
        Ever heard of cleaning up your own mess? Or environmental as in constant fear of gang bangers shooting up your place? How about discipline before they turn into monsters, and stop giving excuses for crappy attitudes, teach responsibility for everything they do. Neglect is the excuse why they act/live like animals.
        They fail to care for themselves, how is it can we care for them?

        • Vis Fac

          It’s called liberalism. Don’t you know that it is destructive to the psyche of the poor little darlings if you tell the truth? You must soothe their egos so as to not cause them to feel inferior and act out and become violent. A lot of good the liberals one dimensional idiot-ology of Political Correctness has done. No one thinks of the ramifications that ensue they can’t think further ahead then the next minute they’re too busy planning what to do now.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You mean the environment that they created for themselves.

    • Space Ghost

      I strongly agree with this because, I as well do not know where John Myers and these ultra conservatives get their information from, and to include the stuff that is written is at least 95% wrong. But the sad part about this is alot of the readers agree, which tells me that they have no clue or have no idea what was going on in South Africa!! John Myers in this article demonstrates his stupidity and ignorance about what really happen to Nelson Mandela and why he was arrested, and sent to prison in the 1960’s.

      • Vis Fac

        I have been to South Africa and can tell you that events as reported in fact did happen. Americans have terminal short term memories that most other nations don’t. We forget the atrocities committed by the Germans and Japanese (mostly by the Japanese) during WWII buy buying their products and supporting their economy.
        The South Africans do not suffer from this condition they remember both black and white. I suggest you conduct your OWN research before you make a fool out of yourself.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The reality is that Mandela was a Marxist agitator. Simple as that. It may be that his hands are clean of killing but his minions did the dirty work for him, burning and looting and killing and destroying. I don’t believe I missed anything.

        • Jeff

          And what, pray tell, is your opinion of the Botha and De Clerk regimes? Were they democracies? Democracies where only a few could vote? Your diatribes against Mandela are pure insanity. Big surprise.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Leaders typically are out for themselves. It’s a rare Leader indeed who looks out for the people.

          • Jeff

            That’s nothing but an evasion of the question. I know you prefer a system where the government can’t do anything, but it’s never going to happen. Anymore than your grandson is ever going to attend a school where all he does is eat chocolate ice cream all day!

            So, when the Big Bad Government finally enforced the 14th Amendment (I know that’s 12 whole amendments after the 2nd) in the South, all those leaders were just feathering their own nests? They didn’t actually help anyone? I mean who wanted to use the bathrooms or sit at lunch counters anyway?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Duh, numbnuts, you were talking to Nad, not me. Why should I answer your ignorant questions as if the answer to them had anything at all to do with Mandela’s transgressions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you actually spent some time reading the 14th amendment (oh yeah — and had half a brain) then you’d know that the 14th had little to do with Freeing the Black Slaves and everything to do with punishing the South for daring to break away from the Union (read Gang).
            Without Government meddling, the races would have gotten along many decades ago. But then, that wouldn’t have allowed the Leaders to gain more Power, would it?
            So You Think You Can Dance has done more for improving race relations than the Government has done for the last 130 years.
            All Government does (and purposely) is pit one group of people against another so they can gain more Power.
            For the intelligent and non-zealotous reader (leaves Jeff out):
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=282&sortorder=subject

    • Herman

      The USA is a white dominated society based upon Anglo Saxon customs – (only just and for the time being) that permeate teh lives of all that live in the USA.

      It is this context that was referred to when stating that Whites dominate Blacks in the USA ,which you unfortunately misinterpreted.

      • laura merrone

        So its cultural domination is what you are saying? Isn’t it also based on the Bible and its principles too? I know whites didn’t always act like Christians, of course. I get your point though. What do you mean by (only just and for the time being) in parenthesis? Just wondering…Do you think it will change in the future?

        • Nadzieja batki

          There is no cultural domination nor racial domination. The Dems/Progs/Leftists need to stir up strive otherwise they could not keep their power.

      • FreedomFighter

        Well Herman why is it that “ONLY” blacks are being dominated by “white dominated society based upon Anglo Saxon customs” at this point in history?

        I am American Indian and have no problems, Asians are very prosperous and do well in all schools, those from Latin America work hard and make a living, those from India and Arabic countries do well becoming doctors and skilled well educated Americans…ONLY BLACKS SEEM TO BE SUFFERING FROM WHITE DOMINATED SOCIETY BASED ON ANGLO SAXOON CUSTOMS
        Don’t know about anyone else but I am seriously tired of the bogus line “its withies falt”. Take some personal responsibility.

        Laus DeoSemper FI

  • 529_Barb

    So …. the difference between Obama and Mandela is….??? Obama is OUR terrorist and Mandela is theres’…….. pehaps we don’t live in the strife of the africans……but it’s coming!!!!

    • Vis Fac

      You haven’t seen or can fathom what’s next unless you look to the 1930;s Germany. This is going to be worse though as it will be easier to locate and eliminate ODUMBO’s opposition. There were no drones or sophisticated electronic surveillance systems in use then. However instead of the SS we have DHS.(and their 1.6 BILLION bullets!)

  • laura merrone

    My comment was in response to “Herman” not the article but still I am baffled as to why Mandela was such a great guy if he was a terrorist…

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Even human predators venerate their alpha “males”. Mandela was and is a thug and a terrorist, his own variety of human predators are in awe of him and praise him.

      • Bob666

        Yo Nads,

        What is this obsession that you have with the “predators”?

  • me

    Owebunhole just went in there and did what he does best. He told em what they wanna hear. How do you think he got elected the first time? All he puts out is bs and more bs.

  • DavidL

    Madella a terrorist? Wow, I guess you consider a slave revolting a terrorist too. Ever hear of Apartheid? More bat-crap-crazy, John. What about your appeals to “2nd Amendment remedies”? That makes you an advocate for terrorism, right?

    • Dave

      Conservatives need people to know their places… White Christian old men at the top and minorities, women, different religions fight for the scraps the white men leave behind. The conservative mantra.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Both you and DavidL are part and parcel of that fighting for scraps. If you weren’t both morally bankrupt Liberal Progressives who use Government to take advantage of other people (the true nature of Government), then there wouldn’t be so much turmoil. People would be too busy and contented from the peace and prosperity that Freedom brings.

        For those readers who yearn for a better way:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

        • Dave

          $$$$ for DaveH, another mention…
          More lies about Liberals and Progressives, a mises mention, and goiing off on a BS tangent about our “support” for big gov.
          What a predictable corporatist shill.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you doing drugs?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “What a predictable corporatist shill”.
            Where have I stuck up for corporatists (Crony Capitalists), Dave? Please enlighten the readers. Of course you won’t, because you can’t. You are just a typical Liberal Progressive citing unsupported Propaganda. But thanks for exposing yourself to the readers.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        “White Christian”? Dave, you are so willing to let the whole world know how Ignorant you are admitting to being as PLD goes around the world.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Of course Mandela was and is a terrorist. What slave revolt are you blathering about? Simple Marxist agitation promising that if they could kill the whites they would have their farms and homes and factories and shops and education, etc.. The blacks of South Africa didn’t get what they were promised, the Marxists got those but unfortunately could not maintain what they stole.

  • Dave

    Wow, another conservative trying to rewrite history… Aparthied was just great for the African population.

    What a complete moronic article. You want to speak about “Freedom”? Be a black man under Aparthied. Since John is white and and a bitter old man, that understanding eludes him.

    Sad Sad Sad.

    So according to John, The Jews should have been happy under the Nazis, the Native populations of North America should have been happy too and not attacked the good white Christian people of this land, we just stole their land, slaughtered their people, took their culture and language from them. What is the big deal? We gave them reservations and now casinos… what more could they want?

    John once again shows how conservatism is a mental disease.

    John and his band of “2nd Amendment crusaders” are the ones that spout on about violence if any gun safety regs get passed. But that doesn’t make them or their ilk “terrorists”…. I see…
    Racism, alive and well in the conservative movement in America.

    • Bill

      Typical Marxist diatribe

      • Dave

        Typical white ignorant conservative retort.

        • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Dave

            DaveH,
            What is your experience of being black living under Aparthied? Just curious.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave,
            What is your experience of being a decent human being? Just curious. Don’t answer that, because most of us on this board know that you have no credibility.

          • Dave

            More lies from DaveH. Nothing new

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And your evidence for that is what?

          • Dave

            I am a better human being than you could ever know… But your CONJECTURE is one based on lies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And your evidence for that is what?

          • Dave

            I love and support my family and friends, love my country, give to charity my time and money. I am raising 2 children that I adopted so they can have a better life and to not judge people by looks, religion, who they love but by their actions. I don’t believe in drugs.

            You know so little about so much DaveH. You are a liar and a propogandist and I hope mises pays you well for your spounting off about their nonsense.
            I am, also to take your word, a conservative trapped in a libertarian as to what constitutes a progressive/liberal person. Sorry, you are a serial liar and I do not believe your conjecture about my political leanings are.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You still haven’t presented any evidence, Dave.
            Ad hominem attacks are so much easier than presenting facts, aren’t they?

          • JeffH

            It’s no wonder why Dave47D has zero credibility…even a caveman can figure that out.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “I am, also to take your word, a conservative trapped in a libertarian as to what constitutes a progressive/liberal person. Sorry, you are a serial liar and I do not believe your conjecture about my political leanings are”.
            Where have I said any such thing about you Dave67?
            You are a Liberal Progressive, and from what I’ve seen on this board — a typical one.
            You embody neither Conservative values nor Libertarian values, Dave. And I thank you for exposing to the innocent readers what the “compassionate” Liberal Progressives are really like when they can speak anonymously and be themselves.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            In your own eyes you may be “I am a better human being than you could ever know” but your comments say otherwise.
            Before you tell someone that they lie better know what the truth is and where it is diverged.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            A BS question because You have not lived or a living at this time in an apartheid country? You are also lying about the “just curious”. When the Marxists destroyed South Africa they not only destroyed the livelihood of the whites but they also destroyed the blacks. The Marxists made the power grab and became the New Masters by destroying but have not created anything good.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Bill wouldn’t have phrased his comment this way unless he knew exactly that Marxist/Engel philosophy is promulgated.
          You are the ignorant that is responding.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Bigot.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      As usual, Dave67 resorts to his baseless ad hominem attacks and conjecture.
      Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic.

      • Dave

        DaveH, you enjoy the racism put on display by Mr Myers?
        Conjecture???? So in your mind, blacks never had it so good as they did under Aparthied?
        DaveH, you are a lying racist conservative who pretends to be a girl dressed a princess dress. I got that from your previous posts… That is conjecture (mostly)
        The FACT is Aparthied was an extremely racist regime where blacks were regularly treated as 3rd class citizens living in shanty-towns while the whites lived well off their backs.
        the United States supported unjust regime for many years, so much so that Mandela was labeled a ‘terrorist” by this country when he dared fight back against the bullets, whips and dogs set upon the African population on a regular basis.
        So you believe George Washington was a terrorist too? He did many of the same things for the same reasons as Mandela. Or is that conjecture?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Thank you, Dave67, for revealing the personality of a typical Liberal Progressive.

          • Dave

            Thank you for the compliment. I do believe in freedom and liberty. Unlike your conservative friends in Apartheid

          • Justsomeguy151

            Libtards HATE freedom and Liberty, just like yr god, Obumma.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            They “HATE freedom and Liberty” for others.
            But they exclude themselves.

          • Dave

            That is the conservative mantra Alondra. You and your ilk would love to see same sex marriage banned.. that is just one example.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The issue is a complex one, Dave67, but you, being a shill, would not want the reader to do any in-depth thinking about it.
            What stops anybody who desires it from contracting with anybody they please?
            Why does Government need to get involved at all?
            Why should Government with their coercive Force be allowed to dictate who a minister does or doesn’t marry?
            Why are there special privileges given to married couples that aren’t given to single people?
            All of these problem situations spring from Government, NOT the absence of Government.

          • Dave

            Ha! You are such a phony…I say an issue is a “comples one” I get called a “shill” and a big gov progressive. You are a complete jerk. If marriage did not involve tax benefits, medical benefits, end of life rights for partners than the Gov could be out of it but that isn’t the world we live in is it? Oh, I keep forgetting you live in mises fantasyland where conservatives do no wrong, never use Gov to push their social agenda and everyone is happy in this perfect world of free market capitalism that doesn’t exist.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Tax benefits? — Government.
            Medical benefits? — Again Government, as without Government rules, the employers would allow the employees to accept the cash or the insurance. However due to Government rules, the employees must pay taxes on the cash, but not the insurance benefits. Can you say Crony Capitalists?
            End of Life rights? A person can simply specify anybody he wants to have such power in a living trust — NO marriage necessary.
            As usual, Dave67, you are blowing smoke up the readers’ arses.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            1) God created man and woman one for other.
            (Gen.1:27; 2:18, 21-25; 5:1)
            2) Man breaks his bond with his parents and
            bonds with his wife. Their relation is glued. (Gen.2:24)
            3) Husband and wife no longer two, but one
            flesh. (Gen.2:24)
            4) The marriage is God’s Creation, His PERSONAL WORK. God’s definition of MARRIAGE is: ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN – and this bond should
            be for life. (Gen.1:27; 2:7, 18, 21-24)
            5) “God created MALE AND FEMALE and BLESSED THEM and said unto them: ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.’” GOD BLESSED MARRIAGE ONLY AND ONLY BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN — HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE. Only HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE can produce offspring — have children. (Gen.1:27, 28; 5:1-2)

            “What God has joined, no men shall separate.” – Jesus Christ (Mt.19:4-6)

            This is a Natural Law/ Law of Nature as well.

            The Human body was NOT designed for the SAME-SEX sex. It does NOT matter if you believe in Evolution or Creation.

            The bottom line is that Homosexual behavior is UNNATURAL, ABNORMAL, IMMORAL and UNHEALTHY do you like that or not.

            It’s strange Dave, that I have to explain to you that male’s PENIS was created (by God or Nature) for the female’s VAGINA and not for the anal hole or mouth.

            Your libtardic hysteria just proves how Mentally pervert and Sexually Depraved you, Left wingers are.

            Stop your insane nonsense. You can poke your penis wherever you want, but do not call it “marriage”.

          • dave

            You just proved my point dear… we do not put our hands of the US Constitution to uphold the bible. You and others like you warp yourself in your self-righteous book of fables known as the bible to justify your prejudice and racism. Your friends in the KKK also cited biblical nonsense to justify their conservative view of the world.

          • Emerson Hopfmann

            Yes, “God created man and woman,” but Sam Colt made them equal.

          • JeffH

            What a joke you’ve become Dave47D. You believe in “freedom and liberty” as long as “the state” dictates that “freedom and liberty”.

            The fundamental desire of progressives like Dave47D is to control all others for their own benefit. This is the opposite of freedom.

            In sum, freedom (aka free will) allows every individual to make winners or losers of themselves, the right to self-determination. Leftists progressives want the power to create winners and losers, always based upon making winners of those who support their political agenda, and losers of those who stand opposed.

            In America, freedom and liberty should never be luxuries afforded by our elected officials at the whim of their political ambitions. Freedom is not a gift from congress, the White House or the Supreme Court.

            It is a gift from a “free will” God(Creator), protected by our founding documents known as our Charters of Freedom, and paid for with the blood of heroes who give all in defense of these concepts. An undying belief in a “free will” God(Creator) is the cornerstone of all
            freedom and liberty, period.

            A society which places its trust in a higher power will always know better than to trust simple men with dominion over mankind. As our Founders stated quite clearly, freedom and liberty are suited only for a moral people.

            Without our foundations, our house divided, will fall and it is crumbling right before our eyes as the Progressive/Marxist/Socialist/Communist Obama regime seizes control of every private sector asset and turns every federal agency against the people of the United States, using the full weight and power of the federal government to silence all voices of dissent and enslave a people who have lost touch with their past, and control of their future.

            What Marxist/progressive/socialists hate about free will is this… as long as a society believes it has a God-given right to personal freedom and individual
            liberty, it can be ruled by no man. America should rid itself of all progressive Marxist principles and values or it will not be able to save itself from total ruin.

            Only a moral and righteous people are suited to do battle with the massive evil that grips America today. All others will falter in the face of evil. “Silence in the
            face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak; not to act is to act.” – Dietrich
            Bonhoeffer

            Special thanks to JB Williams & NewsWithViews.com

          • Dave

            Qick, get to the gun range… you are more unbalanced that usual today.

            Lie #1, I never insist that the state gives us our liberty.

            Lie #2. Leftists want the power to make the winners and losers. Really? Was Reagan a leftist? His administration picked winners and losers all the time… Winner, big oil, loser Solar energy. Winner: Defense firms Loser: Education (Ketchup is a vegetable)

            Lie #3 “A society which places its trust in a higher power will always know better than to trust simple men with dominion over mankind” Like Saudi Arabia? Israel?, Norther Ireland when they were killing each other over who’s god was better?
            Jeffrey, you and DaveH are liars and propagandists.

          • JeffH

            Hey dummy…I just love your transparency as should anybody else that reads your verminous progressive drivel which fully exposes you as the ignoramous you are. I think the other posters recognize a liar and a propagandist when they see one…just by their up and down votes.

            But, keep digging that hole you’re in…you dig it deep enough the Chinese will be laughing at you too!

            Like most ignorant progressives, your devil is in your details Dave47D…your minuscule and meaningless retorts are always laced with ignorant and deceitful questions meant to deflect away from your own ignorance and lack of knowledge.

            As Alinsky taught and progressives like you practice, consciously or not…”And so the guided questioning goes on…Every weakness of every proposed tactic is probed by questions…. Is this manipulation? Certainly….”

            Last but not least, you have become the consumate repeating parrot.

            Dave47D the Repeat Talking Parrot is the most obedient bird you can buy! Just tell him any phrase, and he repeats it back to you. Practice your Liberal doublespeak! Interrogate conservatives with double ineffectivness! Dave47D even comes with his own perch…batteries not included.

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkk!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel free to back up your statement with evidence, Dave67. I won’t hold my breath.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did I state that they were my friends, Dave?
            But thanks anyway for exposing to the readers yet more nonsense from the mouth of a Liberal Progressive.

        • Justsomeguy151

          No ones praising apartheid, but yr Libtard lying ass has to prop up that straw man to support yr failed argument.

          • Dave

            BS, Mr Myers doesn’t even mention the crap the Aparthied regime was up to that cause Mandela to become “Mandela”.
            Just Mandela is a terrorist… Really? You people are just simply lame and racist for only telling the one side of the story that suits your slanted narrative

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You didn’t mention that you were against axe-murderers, Dave, so should we assume (like you Liberal Progressives do) that you approve of axe-murderers?
            What a numbnuts.

          • Dave

            If it was relevant to the story, I would make that clear. But conservatives and those conservatives pretending to be libertarians just don’t get it. They don’t get many things that exist here in the real world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t even know what a Conservative is, Dave. And I suspect that you don’t know what a Libertarian is either.
            It’s obvious to anybody who reads enough of your comments that you are either a very ignorant bigoted sort of person, or that you are a shill. My bet is on the latter.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Shut up, Libtard hypocrite!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your Marxist slip is showing.

      • Dave

        Nads, what is sad is you don’t even know what a Marxist is.

        Definition:

        the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

        We are talking about institutionalized racism on the part of Aparthied. Nelson Mandela is not a saint but compared the leaders of Aparthied, he is. But I guess dummies like you would have the brutality continue.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          There are two of you?
          Bob Livingston, what is going on?

          • Average_Joe56

            He just learned how to copy and paste… he’s just showing off his new skillset….. counts as more words…bigger paycheck(without the actual work)….. ;)
            And now on to the next exciting episode of Trolling For Dollars……

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Earlier the name “Nadzieja Batki” was in place of the name “Dave”, so it appeared that Nad was talking to himself. Don’t know what that was all about. System failure? Hacking?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            TODH, I wondered to whom you were replying.

          • Average_Joe56

            I get that a lot too…when I see ludicrous statements from people who usually wouldn’t make such a statement, I become dubious…… when in doubt…refresh the page.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, it was going on throughout the web page, where Nad’s name was in place of Dave’s. Later, that condition was corrected. And thanks to the wonderful edit feature, I could go back and change the name back to Dave, so that Nad wouldn’t wonder why I was attacking him.

          • Average_Joe56

            I haven’t experienced that issue …yet (key word…yet). ;)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You know, after review I see that Dave’s name has changed in a number of places. It’s very likely he is playing with his User ID. Shades of Flashman.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says — “especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class”.
          So why is it that you favor the same Big Government, Dave, that has exploited the masses throughout history? Do you not learn from history?

          • Jeff

            And you see no difference between a government imposed on the populace and a government “of, by, and for the people”? I realize that difference, at times, appears theoretical, but there is still a huge difference between a western democracy and, say, Czarist Russia, is there not?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s funny, Jeff. If it was “for the people”, we would not have to pay for it against our will. Almost everything the Government offers us could be done more efficiently, politely, and less expensively by the private sector. And we could decide for ourselves whether or not to purchase it. You know, Jeff, voluntarily, something that you Liberal Progressives abhor.

    • Justsomeguy151

      Dave67 YOU are the bigot here. What is it w/ Libtards and people’s ethnicity?

    • Jeff

      It is rare for a radical right wing zealot like Myers to announce himself quite so clearly. Myers always knows the terrorists from the freedom fighters as the freedom fighters are the ones hired by Exxon. While the British Government would certainly have called all the Founding Fathers terrorists, we have a different view of them. Similarly, we don’t call the French Resistance terrorists though the Vichy Government certainly would. And, of course, the German underground fighters could be called terrorists but their cause was obviously just so no civilized person would use that term. What about Menachem Begin? Clearly a terrorist in the days of the founding of Israel, but I doubt if Myers ever had a problem with him or any other Likud leader.
      No, Myers picks on Nelson Mandela as a terrorist because he probably had business dealings with the Apartheid Government. I wouldn’t be surprised if his “uncles” didn’t include Botha and De Clerk. Anything is good, even Apartheid, as long as Myers can make money from it. All that energy, all those diamonds. Who cares if the people of the country benefit?
      Nelson Mandela is probably the most revered figure on the planet today and for good reason. The force of his personality is all that prevented South Africa from becoming a blood bath. During Apartheid, two things were “obvious” to outside observers. First, the Apartheid regime could not last. Secondly, when the Blacks took over, the white minority was in big trouble. Nevertheless, virtually everyone (except Myers, Dick Cheney, and a few other soulless ghouls on the right) knew that the Apartheid government had to go. South Africa became a pariah nation and De Clerk was pressured to let Mandela free. It was undoubtedly the wisest decision De Clerk ever made (See what happens when you do the opposite of what Dick Cheney recommends?). Mandela, and Mandela alone, was responsible for the transition being relatively peaceful.
      I have met many expats from South Africa, and I have never heard any of them utter a negative word about Mandela. He is undoubtedly one of the greatest men of the 20th Century. Myers? Not so much. It is fortunate that the moronic bloggers here are so willing to label themselves. They live in such a bubble they don’t realize how idiotic they appear to the outside world.

  • TheOriginalDaveH
  • Nadzieja Batki

    The picture of O, the ultimate actor in his “thoughtful pose”.

  • JRR

    No mention of the black genocide of the white South African farmers, complete with torturing small children to death and dropping tiny babies into boiling water? So it’s okay with Obama if babies are dropped into boiling water? Guess so, as long as they are white babies.

    And here in America, after the already convicted New Black Panthers were let off the hook for voter intimidation, here is the Big List of Black Crime:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/black-mob-violence-and-the-media-silence/

    Thanks to all the racists who continue to insist that it is impossible for non-whites to ever do anything wrong.

    • Karolyn

      “End Game” with Wm. Hurt is a good movie that portrays South Africa in the days prior to Mandela’s release from prison.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I see your problem now. You should try reading some real books, Karolyn. Especially some that haven’t been written by Court Historians.

        • Karolyn

          Well, I don’t need books to know that Black Africans were treated like garbage during apartheid, just like the Indians were treated by England.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And the whites were treated by Mandela’s cohorts.
            Two wrongs don’t make a right, Karolyn, except in Liberal Progressive minds.

    • Jeff

      Every country has its share of crime, but do you really think there would be fewer such attacks in the absence of Mandela? I think most people assumed that when the Blacks took power from the Whites who had so brutally ruled and repressed them that the slaughter would be far, far worse. It wasn’t because of one man. Nelson Mandela.

      • John Myers

        When I was in South Africa they had a huge illegal immigration problem. Blacks from the rest of the continent were desperately entering the country to get jobs and better living conditions. I am not defending apartheid, just pointing this fact out. Also ask black Zulu people in South Africa what they think of Mandela and his ex-wife who necklaced opponents. Mandela was not Gandhi no matter how much liberals want to pretend he was.
        Best,
        John Myers

        • Jeff

          Don’t try to hold Mandela responsible for the actions of his ex-wife. He had been in prison for 27 years, and he divorced her as soon as he found out what she had been doing. I don’t know that you’ll find a perfect person anywhere, but Mandela is more of a mensch than any world leader we’ve seen in a long time.

          BTW, many on these blogs aren’t too keen on Gandhi, either.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sources, Jeff?

  • ONTIME

    As far as I am concerned this man Barry Sotero is nothing more than a back stabbing Fraud in the Oval Office, if that sounds bias to you then you haven’t done your home work or paid attention to the accumulating evidence or watched how this docile congress let’s this clod create chaos.
    We in this country are not very far from repeating what our founders fought for and we have stood by and let this dumbing down and desrtuction of law occur. In other words we are reponsible for this country going south and allowing our Constitution to slide off the shelf. I thnk that in the very near future we are going to have a cultural war that is going to decide if this country is going to remain a representative Republic garaunteed by a Constitution that made history by making it possible for WTP to control the government…we have let that trust lapse and the price however it is decided is going to be steep and high…

    • Ron r

      Barry who ???

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Sotoro a.k.a. Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Here is an interesting article.
          http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11541/american-atheists-show-they-need-god-to-survive/
          Maybe Dave, rbrooks, ron r, Jeff, etc., can learn from this one. Ooops! I keep forgetting for the 5th columners to learn there are two chances, slim and none. Slim is walking out of the door. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “The person who has the answer and doesn’t know it. is just as lost as he who never knew.”
          Samurai

          • Bob666

            Oh Geisha Boy,
            still trying to rewrite history I see.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Here is an article about a fellow muslim brother of Obama bin Laden.
        http://www.westernjournalism.com/tennessee-imam-jews-and-christians-filthy-their-lives-and-property-hold-no-value/
        Isn’t this about the same way that Obama bin Laden thinks about the average American? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.”
        General George S. Patton, Jr.

  • manuel

    Speaking of slavery, does obama not understand arabs still deal in slave owning and selling? Another inconvenient truth that might upset his pro muslim/islamic apple cart.

    • Karolyn

      Actually, there are slave “owners” of many ethnicities – those who traffic in women who are kept and used for prostitution.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        And those who vote to enslave others.

        • Jeff

          And those who vote to neuter the government that might free the enslaved?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jeffry, about what gov’t are talking about?

          • Jeff

            None. It was an abstract question in response to an abstract statement.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There was nothing abstract about my statement. When Government, the Government that Progressives vote for, spends over 40% of our money (total of all Government), that is Slavery — pure and simple.
            In 1900 the Federal Government spent 3% of our GDP.
            In 2013 the Federal Government spent 23% of our GDP.
            Have the people gotten 8 times as needy of Government now as compared to 1900? Of course not. Government just has no limit to their greed.

          • Jeff

            It’s an absurd comparison, but as a semantic matter, slavery may be so defined in the DaveH language; in English, not so much. If you’d prefer to live in 1900, perhaps something can be arranged.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What’s the cutoff for Slavery, Jeff? 10% of your income against your will. 30%? 50%? 70%?
            You don’t think the early American slaves had any time to themselves?
            From:
            http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Involuntary+Servitude
            “Slavery; the condition of an individual who works for another individual against his or her will as a result of force, coercion, or imprisonment, regardless of whether the individual is paid for the labor”.

          • Jeff

            OK, it’s slavery. Stop paying. Also, don’t use the streets, don’t go into public buildings, don’t call the police when someone threatens your MONEY, don’t even think of calling the Fire Dept. No court system. On the good side, you can hire anyone you want, harass them in any manner you want, and then refuse to pay them. What can they do? Call the cops? They’re out of business.
            Party like it’s 1899, Dave!!

            Dave, there are plenty of things I don’t think the government should be doing to waste money. Building more and more prisons instead of investing in education is nuts. The War on Drugs is nuts. Our far-flung commitments are nutty – Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, younameitstan. But that does not mean the government has no role or that its role should be limited to what it did in 1900.

            In the modern world, we like to turn on the tap and get clean water. We like to go to the supermarket and buy untainted food. We’d like to go to work and not be oppressed for being the wrong color, gender, age, etc. We’d like to think people who perform dangerous jobs like mining are not being sent into mines not equipped with state-of-the-art safety equipment. We like the idea that someone is monitoring the pollutants being spewed into the air. We like the idea that someone can fund basic scientific and medical research so you can continue blogging nonsense well into your dotage.
            We like that a company like Tesla, with a loan from the government, can develop technology that may turn out to be a big part of the solution to the energy crisis and Climate Change.

            None of this was even dreamed of in 1900. Today it’s real. You know where there’s no government, no taxes, and total freedom (at least in theory)? Try Afghanistan anywhere outside Kabul. Heaven on Earth (in theory, anyway).

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff makes the typical illogical and manipulative Liberal Progressive statement — “don’t use the streets, don’t go into public buildings, don’t call the police when someone threatens your MONEY, don’t even think of calling the Fire Dept. No court system”.
            Why not? I paid for them, didn’t I? So if I’m forced to pay, I no longer have a right to use what I paid for?
            Who does that work on, Jeff? Maybe the weak-minded Progressive followers that you manipulate, but certainly it doesn’t work on any intelligent people.

          • Jeff

            Dave, maybe I give you credit for more intelligence than is due. I was obviously talking about how the nation would be if we followed your prescription and kept Government as it was in 1799 or 1899.

          • Dave

            Jeff,
            DaveH is an angry out of work troll for Mises. If you don’t agree with him, he calls you names and makes up lies about progressives.
            In DaveH’s world, the industrial revolution never happened and the population of the country goes back to a couple million as most of the people worked in agriculture, mining.
            DaveH is a serial liar.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Like a 4th grader. Didn’t I hear the recess bell, Dave67?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “In the modern world, we like to turn on the tap and get clean water”.
            So? Private companies could do that better and less expensively, because if they didn’t they’d lose their business to a competitor or departing customers.

            Jeff says — “We like to go to the supermarket and buy untainted food”.
            The supermarket likes that too, as they wouldn’t be in business long if they poisoned their customers. Only brain-dead Liberal Progressives can swallow that a bureaucrat with a very secure job is going to give more of a hoot about somebody dying from food-poisoning than is the owner of a business who would likely see his business fail in that event.

            Jeff says — “We’d like to go to work and not be oppressed for being the wrong color, gender, age.
            In Free Markets those companies who hired the best workers regardless of age, color, or gender would be the companies that succeeded. Only in Unfree Markets, with Government running interference for their Crony Capitalists, can such discrimination succeed.

            Jeff says — “We’d like to think people who perform dangerous jobs like mining are not being sent into mines not equipped with state-of-the-art safety equipment”.
            Anybody with any sense at all can figure out that adding middlemen (Big Government) to the equation only deprives the company of money that could have been spent on better safety equipment. No company worth its salt would want to risk killing its experienced workers, in which case they would have to be replaced with inexperienced workers who generally require long training periods. Above all, Jeff, if you think the job is not worth the risk — Don’t take it!

            For thinking people:
            http://mises.org/daily/4441
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=148
            http://archive.mises.org/11661/government-food-safety/
            http://mises.org/daily/114/Airbag-Murders

            Yes, Jeff, what would we do without them?

          • Jeff

            Jeff says — “In the modern world, we like to turn on the tap and get clean water”.
            So? Private companies could do that better and less expensively, because if they didn’t they’d lose their business to a competitor or departing customers.

            Where is the profit motive for a private company to do such a thing? Those who can afford it will tend to buy clean water for their personal use, leaving the “public” water polluted. And do you think it’s just about cleaning the existing reservoir water? How is a private company going to prevent others from dumping toxins in the lakes, rivers, and oceans? And if they’re doing it pursuant to a government contract, aren’t we all still paying for it?

            Jeff says — “We like to go to the supermarket and buy untainted food”.
            The supermarket likes that too, as they wouldn’t be in business long if they poisoned their customers. Only brain-dead Liberal Progressives can swallow that a bureaucrat with a very secure job is going to give more of a hoot about somebody dying from food-poisoning than is the owner of a business who would likely see his business fail in that event.

            The Government has an interest in protecting the entire food supply – not just that of middle class and wealthy shoppers. Without standards, there will be companies selling food prepared in an unsafe manner because it’s cheaper. I know you don’t care about anyone but yourself, Dave, but we live in a society whether you like it or not. Most people will not tolerate a situation where poor people are victimized by unethical merchants who will sell them unhealthful food simply because it’s cheaper. I know, we have that system now because corn syrup is subsidized so Twinkies are less expensive than vegetables, but at least the Twinkies have to pass inspections and not be deadly.

            Dave, if Government regulation of the environment, the food supply, medicines, etc. is so unnecessary, why is it private companies weren’t protecting us before the regulations were enacted? You may have some decent points about over-regulation in certain areas, but when you try to argue that Vons can be relied upon to take the place of the USDA or that Culligan can do what the EPA does, frankly, it sounds a little nutty.
            Now you can do your little song and dance and engage in your usual juvenile ad hominem attacks. Here, I know your shtick by heart: I’m a liar and a thief, and worst of all, a PROGRESSIVE. Grow up, Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “We like that a company like Tesla, with a loan from the government, can develop technology that may turn out to be a big part of the solution to the energy crisis and Climate Change”.
            Who’s “We”, Jeff? You have a mouse in your pocket?
            If you like that idea, Jeff, feel free to invest your own money, but keep your hands out of my pocket, thief.

          • Jeff

            Dave, I did not attack you personally in my post. I pointed out that there are many things government does that we (meaning the majority of people) like. You, of course, called me a thief. I was absolutely correct in my earlier assessment of you, Creepy Bastard.

          • John Woodbury

            OH, yes here are the stellar list of winners more can be found.

            Solar Trust of America: FAIL – Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012 – On April 2, 2012

            Bright Source: FAIL – Bright
            Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that
            delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass
            the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Lost Billions of dollars but Getting More Money To Keep Trying. Can you say, “This isnt working?”

            Solyndra: FAIL – Obama
            gave Solyndra $500,000,000 in taxpayer money and Solyndra shut its
            doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 After Billions in Losses
            due to failure to make a solar product that works!

            LSP Energy: FAIL – LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012

            Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy

            Abound Solar: FAIL –
            Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama
            announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy

            SunPower: FAIL
            – SunPower stopped producing solar cells last year at near bankruptcy
            restructured only with help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL who owns 60%
            stake. Irony! Still

            Beacon Power: FAIL – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy Oct 2011 just a year after Obama approved $43 million loan Government loan guarantee

            Ecotality: FAIL –
            ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any
            money on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in
            two loan guarantees from Obama

          • Jeff

            You can always find failures, but I suspect you’d be less opposed were the president a republican. One success story may be more important than 10 failures.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/renewableenergy/9117496/Oliver-Letwin-Government-must-continue-investing-in-green-energy.html

          • Dave

            Jeff,

            In DaveH’s myopic little world, nothing has changed since then.

            When he doesn’t like a word or a record, he like his heroes just change the definitions of terms to suit his warped view of things.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The master of obfuscation speaks.
            Who do you think you’re fooling, Dave67? All the regulars know that your words are meaningless manipulative drivel.

          • Dave

            And I know you are the master of BS. Thats why you make it so easy to call you on it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What did you call me on? Be specific, Dave67.

    • ron r

      Speaking of slavery did every other American President prior to Obama understand arabs still deal in slave owning and selling. Another inconvenient truth that proves in right wing circles its not a problem dealing with Arabs unless you are black.

  • Robbie

    Nelson Mandela a terrorist? Now I’ve heard everything. What Mandela did do was gain freedom for South Africa from colonialist forces AND he pevented a bloodbath because if there had been any natural justice at the time every last white person would have had his/her throat slashed. Mandela prevented that.
    But because he rebelled against the colonialist powers you call him a terrorist. Actually why don’t you look back in your own history. Seems to me the American revolutionary leaders who rebelled against colonial Britain might be worthy of the same label you have placed on Mandela.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Robbie says — “because if there had been any natural justice at the time every last white person would have had his/her throat slashed”.
      Another “compassionate” “non-bigoted” Liberal Progressive outs himself. Thank you, Robbie.

      • Robbie

        You are most welcome. If you knew anything at all about South Africa in the pre independence days you would be in full agreement with me. But then you don’t know anything.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I don’t profess to know anything about South Africa, Robbie. But I know a lot about you hypocritical Progressives.

          • Dave

            “I don’t profess to know anything about South Africa”
            Then stop pretending like you do.
            BTW, you don’t know much about Progressives or Liberals either.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “Then stop pretending like you do”.
            I haven’t, Dave. Show me where I have.
            You have no credibility on this board, Dave.

          • Dave

            Whenever you talk about Progressives, you lie.
            Whenever you talk about liberals, you lie
            You lie when you refer to me as a Socialist, marxist, or communist.
            You merely spout off about a subject, send a link to a several hundred page link to Mises and then say “see, right there”.
            You can’t even the most basic questions I give you without trying to change the subject.
            You are a liar, both you and Jeffrey.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More unsupported ad hominem attacks. Can you Liberal Progressives ever back up anything you say?
            Where have I called you a Marxist or a Communist, Dave67? Or is that something I called one of your other multiple personalities, Flashman?

          • Dave

            Yes,

            Progressives/Conservatives both use the power of the Gov to change society.
            Examples: Abortion, Same sex marriage, NC legislature trying to make Christianity the state religion, Conservatives trying to make English the offical state language… On and on and on… Of course those conservative people are not conservatives to you because conservatives NEVER do anything wrong. What a joke you are.
            Progressives want to have big Gov? Himmm… I still can’t get an answer from you about Reagan’s conservatism… because that guy expanded the size of the Fed Gov. So if yos a conservative, that conservative spend money we did not have, expanded the Fed Gov all while cutting taxes and laid the foundation for the debt we have today.
            You are once again, PWNED.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, you are confusing Neoconservative Progressives with Conservatives, Dave67.
            Conservatives are those who, regardless of their Religious beliefs, don’t use the Government to Force their beliefs and personal moral codes on others.

            Dave67 says — “You are once again, PWNED”.

            You pawned me? Where?

            Do you Liberal Progressives pay attention to the thumbs up and thumbs down? You aren’t winning the hearts and souls of the readers. But thank you for showing them your true side. It saves me and Bob Livingston a lot of work.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What were you saying “Yes” to, Dave67?
            “is that something I called one of your other multiple personalities, Flashman?”.
            Or “Can you Liberal Progressives ever back up anything you say?”
            ?
            You surely weren’t addressing the “back up” comment, considering that you can’t back up a statement with your own conjecture.

          • John Woodbury

            Ha Ha Ha, I just read the origin of the word, yes you NBTs are PWNED.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article about Congress and the people. It may shine some light on your dense liberal mind.
            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/congress-must-empower-people-to-hold-president-accountable/article/2532537
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Courage is fear holding on a minute longer.”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “BTW, you don’t know much about Progressives or Liberals either”.
            Sure I do, Dave. And thanks to you and your fellows, an increasing number of readers are learning what you folks are really like, rather than the false persona you portray in public.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Liberals/Progressives/DEMONcrats worship their allah Satan.

            They are following their apostle Alynski gospel “Rules for Radicals”

            Their favorite books are:
            1) “The Communist Manifesto” By Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
            2) “Mein Kampf” By Adolf Hitler, and of cause
            3) “Koran” By murderer, thief and pedophiles muhammed and mullahs

            How we can recognize them?
            They are Godless brainwashed dolts, Liars, Slanders,
            Hypocrites, Haters, Cheaters, Racists, Fear mongers, Bigots, Christianphobes, Sexually Pervert, etc.

            They are suffering from the LDD (Liberal Dyslexia Disorder). LDD is a lock of the ability to recognize, comprehend and determine what is right and what is
            wrong; what is good and what is bad; what is moral and what is immoral; what is ethical and what is unethical; what is tactless; what is beautiful and what is
            ugly.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Here is an article about how there are now fireworks, due to the sequester, but Obama bin Laden can take a $100 million dollar trip to Africa.
            http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2013/06/30/july-4th-fireworks-scrapped-at-a-number-of-bases-n1630962
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “In case of doubt, push on just a little further and then keep on pushing.”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.

          • Jeff

            Positively the dumbest thing ever posted in ANY language, Aloondra. Linking liberals with devout Muslims and Hitler is as logical as linking moonshine with Moon dust. By all means, keep it up as any uncommitted person reading these blogs will clearly recognize the utter insanity of any position you take.

          • Robbie

            How do you define Progressive? We don’t use that term up here in Canada although the word ‘progress’ generally has a positive connotation. The current party in power here used to be called The Progressive Conservative Party of Canada but now they are just called the Conservatives or the Tories. In the meanwhile you might delve a bit into the history of South Africa and especilly hoe Nelson Mandela saved the white population from destruction.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Progressives want to grow Government ever larger with the goal, supposedly, of solving societies’ problems, Robbie.
            The reality, of course, is that Leaders have always striven to increase their power over the rest of us. It’s what Government does. The history of Government is one of using Force and Coercion to favor themselves and their Crony Capitalists.
            Do yourself a huge favor, Robbie, and read this long but very interesting book:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

          • Robbie

            There was a time prior to the Neolithic Revolution when there was no government. It was a time when homo sapiens hunted and gathered nuts and seeds to eat. And lived in caves or under rocks. But once man began farming and building dwellings in which to live and owning pieces of land and needing to trade and all of that we needed government. We needed government to create laws that helped us decide who owned what and what would happen when there were all manner of disputes which happen when people are settled. We also needed government to build and manage projects needed by a settled community like building and managing and regulating irrigation systems. Settled life – civilization of you will demands government.. People in communities need laws to keep things orderly. One of the most important laws in the Bible you should no is the law prohibiting the diversion or halting or running water by any given farmer. Really important that. And today we need government even more because we have a far more complex life than in the New Stone Age and even more complex than in Biblical times. To argue against the need for government is pure lunacy – well, unless you want to go live in a cave or a deserted island.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It is obvious that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about, Robbie. All I see in your comment is conjecture and ad hominem attack. At least Jeff has made an effort to discuss some specifics, even if they fell far short of the mark.
            It would behoove you to start doing some serious reading, especially some of Rothbard’s works like the one I linked to above.
            Men were trading voluntarily and progressing nicely before the non-producers stepped in with their Governments to share in the booty without the efforts required to be productive. Of course they were the minority, so to avoid being crushed by the vast majority they had to convince the people that they couldn’t live without Big Government, just as they do now.
            Your claim, Robbie, for the need for Government-run infrastructure is a stale Liberal Progressive attempt to justify Government meddling which we don’t need:
            http://mises.org/journals/scholar/internal.pdf

            And if people were as ruthless and disorderly as you think, Robbie, no amount of Government would solve the problem. If people are generally untrustworthy, then from where do you choose the ones who are entrusted with great Force? Why do you suppose those in Government are mostly superior in morality and can be trusted to fairly govern the rest of us?

          • Robbie

            My posting contained many specifics. I suggest you reread it. I realize that you do not agree with me but there’s no need for you to misrepresent all that I pointed out.

            It is true that people traded before there was money and other regulations necessary for more advanced trade and commerce that just has to be handled by what we call government. There is a commercial on T.V. these days for some kind of credit card. I’m sure you’ve seen it. It “stars” Alec Baldwin and it is meant to take place in medieval times when trade was local and was basically the barter system. The ad is rather funny. Not much government interference back then. You just traded what you had for what you wanted. But then if all you had were chickens and you wanted some carrots from someone who did not want a chicken then you were SOL. That’s why mankind developed money and money has to be regulated etc., etc. by government. As I said before your dream land is great if you want to live in a cave or under a rock.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You didn’t point out anything, Robbie. You just regurgitated stale Progressive talking points.
            Because you say so, just doesn’t cut it with me.
            The “cave” dweller is you, Robbie, who wants to take us back to the ancient human condition of serfdom.
            Tell us, for instance, what parts of modern Government that we can’t do without. Be sure to be specific.
            Robbie says — “That’s why mankind developed money and money has to be regulated”.
            Oh? And you know that how? For those who want to understand the concept of money better than Robbie does (it isn’t hard):
            http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/moneyproduction.pdf

          • Robbie

            Why don’t you go and try to “buy” something with a chicken? You might just find someone who wants a chicken but what if they only want half a chicken or what if all they have to give you is a lemon? That’s why we need money (coins and/or paper). It makes life a whole lot easier to make transactions. And, of course, money has to backed up by something; there has to be control over it so that it maintains its value, its worth. That’s where what we call government comes in to play.

            Hope that helps you but possibly not because you seem to be a contrarian or nay sayer no matter what. Enjoy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Rothbard explains here how we can privatize most of the functions that people have been Propagandized to believe only Government can provide:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

          • Dave

            it is you DaveH that has no clue. How much does mises pay you? be honest for once in your pathetic existence.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Typical ad hominem Liberal Progressive discourse.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “We needed government to create laws that helped us decide who owned what and what would happen when there were all manner of disputes which happen when people are settled”.
            That’s what the Leaders would have you believe.
            Take off your Propaganda Blinders, Robbie, and read this:
            http://mises.org/daily/3861

          • Robbie

            Why would it be that as far back as the Old Testament the Bible passed a law against diverting the flow of running water? When you have property/farm land you need irrigation and as there would be many farm owners you’d need others to decide how that water was going to be divided/used. It’s O.K. to have NO regulations if you are the only farmer in the world which would only happen if you lived on a deserted island.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article showing how the GOP is getting tired of the 2 evils arguement. Could this be the chance for a 3rd, 4th, etc. party?
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/02/Study-Republicans-Leaving-Party-Are-Tired-of-Two-Evils-Arguement
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The greatest proof of Christianity for others is not how far a man can logically analyze his reasons for believing, but how far in practice he will stake his life on his belief.”
            T.S. Elliot

          • Emerson Hopfmann

            If you think that Nelson Mandela “saved the white population from destruction”, you are totally and dangerously misinformed. Mandela has always been a stinking communist who does not have any respect for the rights of individuals, black, white, or otherwise. He used one form of governmental racism to oppose another form of governmental racism to promote “credibility” for his communist agenda. Go to South Africa today and see what happens if a “citizen” doesn’t have his national identity card on his person. And remember that Hillary Clinton also favors the requirement of national identity cards for American citizens (or even worse, chip implants!). South Africa is largely communist today, and even more racist than when apartheid existed.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Of course he is a terrorist and no you have not heard everything.

      • Robbie

        It’s easy to see you don’t know the first thing about Nelson Mandela so not much point in conversing with you. Also, “now I’ve heard everything’ is an expression indicating an amazed disagreement with a given comment. That you would point out that I don’t literally know everything gives me the impression that you have a pickle in a place it ought not be. You should get that checked out. You’re just not eating right.

      • Ron r

        If Mandela is a terrorist then how do you describe the Former South African government????

        • John Myers

          Dear Ron,
          I don’t see President Obama celebrating that government and calling those leaders his mentors. Do you?
          Sincerely,
          John Myers

          • Dave

            Mr Myers,

            Are the Apartheid rulers in power today? No

            This article you wrote is another one of your long history of hatred towards Obama. The world does not share your view of Mandela. The world has changed somewhat since Reagan was in bed with that regime and played lip service to people by saying we are involved in ‘constructive engagement”
            This article is extremely hateful and lazy. Pity you never once mentioned the back story on why Mandela rose up and fought. Why? too even handed?
            You conservatives are really quite pathetic. Scream all day about your “so-called” freedoms you have lost under Obama while you excuse what the Apartheid regime was doing in SA via omission. Quite telling… As that idiot JeffH has on his avatar of the month… “Don’t tread on me” but you can tread on blacks, women, Hispanics, homosexuals, anyone who is not Christian.
            That is the conservative way.
            You are what is wrong in this world.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D continues on with his delerious ranting.

            ” As that idiot JeffH has on his avatar of the month… “Don’t tread on me” but you can tread on blacks, women, Hispanics, homosexuals, anyone who is not Christian. That is the conservative way.”

            Thanks for noticing the avatar…I prefer to display the ones that get you progressive hacks all in a tizzy.
            I’m quite proud to display the Gadsen Flag and I firmly believe in “Don’t tread on me”.

            As for the rest of your ignorance…I dare you to produce one shred of proof or show where I have ever “treaded” on blacks, women, homosexuals or anyone not christian?”

            I know you can’t and anyone that’s been here for awhile also knows you can’t so I’ll accept some stupid and idiotic response from you instead.

            I prefer to tread on ignorant, lying and delusional
            liberals and progressives hacks and trolls like you Dave47D because I have no respect for progressive shills and trolls.

          • Dave

            Respect? is that what you, DaveH, Samurai, Independent Thinker, Avg Joe, nads give to anyone who disagrees with you?

            LOL… What a bunch of numbskulls.

            You are a proud conservative yes or no? I know you have said you are before so lets look at the conservative record shall we?

            Civil rights? Conservatives of the day fought against it.
            Women’s rights? Conservatives of the day fought against it.

            Today, conservatives are at it again all in a tizzy over marriage equality.

            That is your conservative lineage. And if you by this garbage that Mr Myers is trying to sell us, then you happily share in the historical record of the conservative movement in America. That is their record and why the GOP are becoming irrelevant. The old white vote just doesn’t cut it anymore so the conservatives have to resort to preventing minorities from voting.

            Your side’s history is quite sad no matter hard you try and get people to forget or rewrite the conservative record. Your boyfriend DaveH actually believes George W Bush was a progressive. That is how much much he is in denial about the conservative record. You may like being on the same political side as the KKK but I will say no to that, thank you very much.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The founders of the KKK were Southern Democrats, libturds. Who fought for Jim Crow Laws? The libturds. Who fought for segregation? The libturds. Who fought for slavery and the expansion of it across the continent? The libturds. Need to look at both sides before you go attacking someone else, OK? The conservatives, true conservatives, were just the opposite. Here is a video of liberals that support infanticide, conservatives do not. Notice that the conservatives are singing Amazing Grace, but what are the liberals chanting?
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/texas-pro-aborts-chant-hail-satan/
            So the godless party chants hail satan? Whatever happened to “Praise the Lord?” I guess that liberals are bound for hades. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • Bob666

            Oh Sammy,

            Care to cite sources to back up that babble?

            While the majority were democrats, there were republicans as well and those of both parties claimed to be Christians.

            It is quite obvious that you have never lived in the south and have only a text-book knowledge of history and the south for that fact.

            Here is an artical on your ilk:

            Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter says religious leaders, including those in Christianity and Islam, share the blame for mistreatment of women and girls across the world.

            The 88-year-old human rights activist said Friday that male religious leaders perpetuate misguided doctrines of male superiority, from the Catholic Church forbidding women from becoming priests to some African cultures mutilating the genitals of young girls.

            Carter says the doctrines contribute to a political, social and economic structure where political leaders passively accept domestic violence against women, sexual trafficking, and inequality in the workplace and classroom.

            The 39th president delivered his analysis during an international conference on women and religion. He’s hosting representatives from 15 countries at The Carter Center, the human rights organization he launched in 1982 after leaving the White House.

            http://www.newsmax.com/us/carter-women/2013/06/28/id/512499

            Stephen Austin,
            “The father of Texas”.
            Louisiana Lodge No. 109, St. Genevieve, Missouri.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Jay and I already have, but you have failed to present any evidence of it not being true. Keep out of the conversation as you bring no intellectual stimulation to this thread. Here is an article showing where Obama bin Laden is telling the press what to do. Not by the Constitution.
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/06/30/Obama-Tells-U-S-Media-to-Behave
            Here is that tells about your mind set Bob.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/07/02/the-mindset-of-the-left-n1631804/page/full
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Till the spoilers are defeated
            Till the Lord’s work is completed
            To arms! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
            Civil War song
            “To Arms in Dixie!”
            Last verse

          • Bob666

            Oh Geisha Boy,

            “Jay and I already have, but you have failed to present any evidence of it not being true”

            You and Jay brought You-Tube and Occult web sites to the table-not facts. And I shot down every one of them with facts from credible sources.

            “Keep out of the conversation as you bring no intellectual stimulation to this thread”

            Sorry Mr. Double standard-you don’t get to make that call as you lack the intellect and man hood to do so.

            Have you read the real page 183 yet? or do you just like spreading lies about space aliens?

            You are a complete sham and very poor excuse for a man and a christian! come back when you are man enough to stand on your own two feet.

            Gene Autry,
            Screen western star.
            Catoosa Lodge No. 185, Catoosa, Oklahoma.

          • Dave

            In the 1950’s and 1960’s Southern democrats were CONSERVATIVE!
            Idiot,
            Hey DaveH, you are not a patriot in Samurai’s eyes because you are an atheist. How do you feel about this conservative’s bigotry towards you? That is a perfect example of conservatism.

          • Jeff

            The things one “learns” on these blogs. I had no idea Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, and Lester Maddox were “libturds.” I assume that’s idiot-speak for liberal? I’ve never heard anyone with an IQ above room temperature use it, so I can’t be sure. Strom was so liberal he switched to the Repugnant Party the minute LBJ gave him political cover to do so.

            If you can convince anyone above the age of 6 the Dixiecrats were liberals, you should be selling used cars. Equating “Democrat,” even a 19th Century Democrat, with “liberal” should be sufficient to cause the loss of any teaching credential you may possess. The crime: extraordinary intellectual dishonesty.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, your response was pretty much what I expected to read from a bonafide moron.

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? Or would you like some more cheese to go with your whining and bellyaching.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I don’t know why I can’t respond to the post above yours, Jeff H. The site won’t let me. But here is what I have to say about it: “No response due to lack of intellectual content.”
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “If a man does his best, what else is there?”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.

          • JeffH

            samurai, that is a given! I hope you and sook young have a wonderful 4th of July. Please say hello for me.

            하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I will and a good 4th of July to you and yours. Here is an article about are states bound by decisions of the SCOTUS, with insight from Thomas Jefferson.
            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/07/are-states-bound-by-supreme-court-decisions-lets-ask-thomas-jefferson/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “I don’t measure a man’s success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.

          • Rob Porter

            There is no end to the utterly retarded crap you spew. You can’t even see where your Liberal imbeciles are taking the country. The country is financially broke and yet Obama spends and gives away money – now $17 million or billion to Africa for electricity – that he and the country don’t have, so he borrows to do it – 47 cents in every dollar he spends!! That is the conduct of a person operating in la-la-land with the brain of a chicken.

            Remember his promise to rebuild the infrastructure and create jobs. Where is all of this? There are so many unemployed they no longer bother to look for jobs and thus are not registered as unemployed, so this prize liar fudges the unemployment figures.

            You’re back a losing horse.

          • John Myers

            Dear Dave,
            I respect that you have your own opinions but I take exception to you calling me lazy. I invested a hard and dangerous month in South Africa during that nation’s most turbulent transition. Have you been to South Africa? Have you met with Zulu blacks that feared the ANC? Have you even read the “Bang Bang Club”? If not then I respectfully suggest you shut-up on the subject of whether this is “lazy” reporting.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • Dave

            Mr Myers,
            You are a lazy conservative shill if you call Mandela a terrorist without context of what the Gov was doing at the time or this historical context of the warring tribes in the region. Just because you went there doesn’t mean you have any understanding of SA’s history. You clearly did not share that info with the readers.
            And I will not “shut up”. This is still a free country, at least until you conservatives finish the job Reagan and the Bush family started.
            You are a lazy partisan hack. Deal with that reality.

          • Rob Porter

            Dave
            One thing is clear to me, an opponent of apartheid and for 10 years in South Africa an outspoken critic of the government of that time, you are a complete ignoramus regarding South Africa’s complicated history, about Mandela and the less than palatable side to his ideological persuasions and his comfortable associations with vicious, repressive communist and other regimes, not least that of Libya’s Colonel Gaddaffi and Cuba’s Castro.

            There are many books on the apartheid era and evils of the apartheid regime, so some perspective that gives another side is in order. You object to the other side and want your hero to remain untarnished. Tough luck!

            As to the ‘racist’ accusation, that is usual fallback position of racists who don’t have much else on which to fall back.

            Mandela got his terrorist label for he and the ANC resorting to terror tactics against mainly civilian targets and being one of those who started the military wing of the ANC, Umkhonto we Sizwe, that planted bombs that killed and maimed.

            As to “finishing the job” of the U.S. any longer being a free country, no president has done more than Obama toward that direction. No president has more doggedly trampled on the things that once made the U.S. special and great. All you’ve now got is a windbag and his mindless chants of “Yes we can”. Yes you can what? Continue telling lies about unemployment, the collapsing economy, the massive debt to which he has made a monumental contribution in just five years, his continuing to give away to foreign governments money the U.S. does not have because it is broke and he has to borrow 47 cents for every dollar he spends – or gives away.

            You are a lazy-thinking twit who operates on ‘notions’ and bias, not knowledge. Now deal with that!

          • Dave

            Rob,

            Did you ever think that maybe Mandela turned to Gaddaffi and Castro because he had no allies in the United States which at the time was firmly in the corner of the Aparthied regime? I supposed you didn’t get that Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam turned to help from the USSR after we spurned his requests to have his country back, instead we side with the French.
            You are a complete right wing BS artist. I never said Mandela was a saint. I know he is not but it is intellectually dishonest to tell only one part of the Mandela story to feed a narrative you wish to put forth. That is what Mr Myers did.
            Why were you a critic of Apartheid Rob?
            We are broke because other conservatives like Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 created huge deficits due to policies they started. But morons like you blame Obama? Tell me all of the spending that Obama has authored that makes him this heavy spending liberal if you can.

          • Rob Porter

            Dave
            Your claim that Reagan was firmly in the corner of the apartheid regime is typical of the left-wing rubbish claims you make. Mandela turned to the scum he did because they represented his ideological ideal. Ho Chi Minh turned to the Soviets because they represented the Marixist ideology he favoured. As to morons, you are a first class ignoramus. Your distorted version of history is there all all to see, your knowledge of real history zero. The ANC all on its own got South Africa into a financial mess, doing little for the poor and robbing the taxpayer by bleeding the country’s coffers. They set up a discriminatory system that sent about 1.5 million people overseas. Why because among other things corruption, violence, and no jobs made it a good idea to leave. In five years, the U.S. debt contributed by successive presidents including Clinton, went through the roof under Obama. He increased the debt by 60 percent. He is a first rate wrecker and moron. American were fools for putting such a lunatic in office.

            That said you are ranting, name-calling half-wit. Get a life idiot.

          • John Myers

            Dave,
            I am wrong? Tell you what. Spend your own money, take a month and travel to South Africa. Then report on the handling of that nation by the ANC. See if you can get it published.. Oh and heads up on that “Dave”, you will have to tell people who you are.
            You are what is wrong with the world, people that are reactionary but do not even have the courage to put their own name to their opinions.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • Dave

            Mr Myers,

            So do you call Samurai, Vicki, Avg Joe and others for not using their complete names? You put the article out there. You are the one that leaves out the history of the Aparthied Gov and the history of the warring tribes. You attack me and “Dave” because you are a lazy partisan and aparently racist hack who doesn’t tell the whole story, just the parts that fit the BS narrative you try and convince the soft heads who buy your hateful garbage. There are people in the mainstream that call you on your racist rants. I am one of thise people.

          • Rob Porter

            Dave,
            Talk about “hateful and lazy”, that pretty much characterizes you ignorant remarks South Africa, Mandela and Obama. You wallow in liberal-leftist ignorance.

            Reagan never was in bed with the National Party in South Africa, so that is a blatant lie, but he could hardly support warm friends of his communist enemies in Moscow and Beijing – with whom the ANC was deeply “in bed”. He did not provide support to apartheid era government and maintained sanctions of military equipment to South Africa. It was primarily with it’s own equipment, built in South Africa, that the South African military smashed the communists in southern Angola in 1987. It was a government very much isolated.

            Only a fool doesn’t understand why Mandela fought against apartheid, and only a fool would say that John Myer excused “the apartheid regime”. So, nothing “telling’ – other than your nonsensical rant.

            You and your Liberal’s ignorance are what is wrong with the world and the United States.

        • Rob Porter

          Re the National Party, they were very unjust rulers, but long after apartheid ended I heard black South Africans say they were better off under apartheid than under the ANC – and that happens to include when Mandela was in power. Mandela’s friends have lined their own pockets from the country’s coffers while other blacks live in squalid squatter camps in abject poverty and without jobs.
          Most of those promises from the ANC in exile turned out to be empty and lies. I know, I read the stuff, most of it pure Marxism. Some of it was like reading speeches made by Lenin or Trotsky – two the most depraved and sadistic lunatics known to mankind.

    • John Woodbury

      Rob, because that was your name before the change. You make a rock look like a Rhodes Scholar. Please get a real education. The American “terrorist” did not bomb or blow up people to make a statement they fought pitched battles or, in the case of the Swamp Fox, attacked British Army units covertly. Just basic info. BTW I was in South Vietnam, the Viet Cong were not like American revolutionaries, I seriously doubt our for fathers killed babies and cut the mothers in half to insure the village people towed the line.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Thanks for your service. I have 20 years with the army, infantry. Here are some articles that you can read.
        http://www.thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/309119-ted-nugent-weighing-bid-for-the-white-house
        http://www.redstate.com/2013/07/03/does-sarah-palin-have-a-point/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “It is quite foreign from the nature of the judiciary’s office to make them judges of the policy of public measures.”
        Eldrige Gerry
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

      • Jeff

        I’m sure the Viet Cong did many horrible things in order to get us out of Viet Nam. The real questions are why were we there and what horrible things did we do? I missed the part of your post discussing our use of Napalm and Agent Orange, indiscriminate bombing of civilians, destroying villages in order to save them, and expanding the war to Laos and Cambodia, thereby enabling the nascent Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot.

        BTW: Ho Chi Minh was genuinely popular in Viet Nam. It was because he would easily have won election that Ike decided to cancel the 1956 elections, effectively re-starting the colonial war the French had abandoned two years earlier. At best it was a Civil War between a genuine national hero and our hand-picked leaders (Diem, Thieu, and the rest). Watch McNamara’s “The Fog of Warf” and read William Shawcross’ “Side Show.”

    • Rob Porter

      Robbie, yes, Mandela did bring about a mostly peaceful transition where whites are concerned, but played a disgraceful role when the violent conflict between the ANC and Inkatha Freedom Party occurred. Many thousands died and he just stood by. Buthelezi of the Inkatha appealed to him 41 times without any response, so people died – mostly in the Natal Midlands, but also in the then Transvaal.

      So a “bloodbath’ did occur. Apparently you’ve forgotten. I haven’t.

      Another things, the South African military was still very strong and led by whites round the time of transition, so your notion that “every last white person would have had his/her throat slashed” is a load of fanciful drivel. If he had made a wrong step many of all races would have died.
      Another thing, when Mandela became the country’s leader violent crime and corruption went through the ceiling and I never saw him make a concerted effort to do anything about it. So it continued and continues to this day with the taxpayer being robbed blind, the economy suffering and poor blacks still living in abject poverty while Mandela’s chums roll in ill-gotten loot from the countries coffers.

      In some respects he was a remarkable man, fantastic during the 1995 Rugby World Cup, but overall not wonderful – and he did support terror that killed many, mostly civilians.

      Oh yes, what “colonial power” was the National Party. Please just remind me.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    BREAKING NEWS
    The O’homobama’s Egyptian friend no longer is the president of Egypt.

    Egypt’s state-run Al-Ahram newspaper reported on its website that the army told Mr Mursi at 7pm (6pm UK time) that he was no longer head of state

    Next is the Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ron r

      Are you really as misinformed and bitter as your post reads. Do you have that big a problem with Egyptians, Kenyans, and other people of color that your would read the garbage that John Myers writes and have a response that fits right in with his race baiting? Do you really think a sitting American president would befriend terrorist , or do you just follow the thinking of all in the conservative bubble?
      Because if you do believe these things then you would also believe that the former south African government was right in everything they did to Blacks in that country as well as the treatment of the American Indian. Former American president (all white BTW) have up held regimes in Iran (the Shaw) Sold weapons to terrorist (Iran) Used a Marine LTC to sell weapons in Latin America, allowed Germany to rebuild and invade other countries prior to WWII, and decimate the American Indian. Yet you and some others would agree with someone like Myers, who has never lifted a finger in his life in defense of this great nation, someone who is always willing to talk tough and label anyone and everyone a patriot who agrees with him.
      A man who has made his living off the backs of the working poor. You allow him to label a man who did more positive things from a jail cell than Myers and his oil baron dad have done in two life times a terrorist, along with a sitting United States president. All because you disagree with Obamas politics. And you call yourselves patriots???? If Obama is a terrorist then Hitler must have been the Bush mentor for how to invade a country that has done you no harm. But, by the John Myer way of thinking that would be ok because both were euro.

      • John Myers

        Ron,
        Just wanted you to know my dad was a writer and a publisher and never collected a dime from an energy company. He was jailed for giving the right to fellow Americans to own gold in Canada before President Richard Nixon made it legal. After his death his wrongful detention made the law books and he is remembered as a political prisoner. If you want to talk trash about me fine. Leave my late father out of it.
        Sincerely,
        John Myers

      • Ibn Insha

        Ron, you are the one who is misinformed. Not only you are misinformed you want to remain misinformed. Your mind is so full of trash and in your hatred of white people you don’t know what you are typing. I can almost imagine your mouth foaming and spit splattering all around from your mouth.

        Nobody is saying that if white people do any wrong it is OK. The discussion is about Nelson Mandela. ANC killed thousands of innocent people in their opposition of apartheid government at that time. He refused to denounce terrorism in return for his release from jail and he called his violence “means of protest”. Every terrorist calls himself a freedom fighter such as Palestinians. Ron, I am sure you would not like anybody to protest to you in this manner.

        Killing innocent people is terrorism. A terrorist by any other name is still a terrorist. Furthermore, Mandela had communist believes. The world can call him socialist but it does not matter, he believed in Marxism, and anybody who believes in Marxism is Communist. Socialism is also nothing but ‘Communism lite’. Communists believe in the domination of people by a elite minority as government. The only people who are happy in Communism are those at the top. I am sure you don’t want to live in such a society. If you like Mandela it is all right but don’t try to portray him as a hero. He might be your hero but I would not like to be associated with anybody like him. Oh, by the way, I am not white and can think for myself.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Ron says: “Are you really as misinformed and bitter as your post reads.”
        Please point at my misinformation and my bitterness.

        Ron says: “Do you have that big a problem with Egyptians, Kenyans, and other people of color that your would read the garbage that John Myers writes”
        Where do you see my “problem with Egyptians, Kenyans, and other people of color”?

        I have problem with the dictators & tyrants, especially if they are islamists.
        Also I have problem with an illegal, ignorant, lawless, Mentally Pervert, Sexually Depraved Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal and Racist, who constantly lies, ignores Constitution and despises “We the People”.

        If you do not like John Myers’ articles, why are you coming here and waste your time?

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        No response due to lack of intellectual content. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • John Woodbury

        IS you knowledge of history as shaky as your views? White people drove the native population of South Africa to point of non-existence, they were the brown neolithic natives. Black Africans do not predate the whites in SA. Enjoy you life while you can. BTFW, i am 100% native American, I am a direct descendant of Cynthia Ann Parker, and all I can say is thank God for adoption.

        • JRR

          “Enjoy your life while you can.”

          That sure sounds like a threat.

          Care to explain?

      • Rob Porter

        Ron, you’ve written some real nonsense here. What a pathetic rant! Yes, a lot of rotten things have been done throughout history, but for heaven’s sake get at least some facts right and do something about learning some history.

        This “sitting president” has befriended Muslim terrorists and he promotes the spread of Islam both within the U.S, and abroad, not least in Libya, Tunisia, Egypt – although for now his buddy, Morsi in Egypt has taken a nose dive! And he is making efforts to spread radical Islam in Syria by supplying “rebels” – who are killing Christians and other minorities – backed by al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. His Administration is riddled with Islamic promoting Muslims – even from the Middle East – and other people of low moral fibre. Just consider the lying of Clinton, Susan Rice and Jay Carney after the Benghazi failure and cover-up. Think of the never-ending lies of AG Eric Holder. ‘Birds of a feather flock together’, ‘The rats and mice all have their friends’ and they sure have theirs. Talk about a collapse in morality with Obama leading the charge.

        What of value did this president ever do before becoming president? What accomplishments of note did he achieve. I mean, what the heck did he ever do? A community organizer, a lecturer, not a prof, a next to useless senator in Illinois and even more useless one in Washington! You’ve been sold a useless bag of goods about Obama and have been dumb enough to swallow it. I’m not even American, or in the U.S., but took the trouble research him before his election, and have watched him closely for five years. Never, not even Jimmy Carter, was this useless and rotten a president. He lies incessantly and re-writes history to suite his viewpoint.
        Americans were stupid to elect such a man, concerning whom they knew nothing, listened to huge promises he has never kept, and generally, as the Brits say, couldn’t organize a piss-up in a brewery. Your country is broke, yet he spends and gives away millions to foreign cause while having to borrow 47 cents of every dollar he spends. That is STUPID!

      • Jeff

        Unfortunately, you’ll have to wait for someone to read that entire post to Alondra. Anything beyond “impeach Obama” is a little beyond her comprehension level.

    • hungry4food

      Hows that Arab Spring Muslim Bro Hood thing working out ????

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Yep, I have already posted this. Great news, isn’t it? The Egyptians woke up to what the fool was doing, but when will this happen in America? Here is something that the libturds and progturds don’t want you to know about the laws oif nature and nature’s God.
      http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=40670
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “It is not the speed at which something is learned, but that it is learned at all that counts.”
      Samurai
      *I just hope the 5th columners on this site go faster and not slower.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        The next, who will thrown out, I hope, another O’homobama’s muslim friend – the Turquish PM.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Here is some news for you.
          http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/does-the-cia-director-have-barack-obama-records-that-prove-he-is-inelidgible-to-be-preseident/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
          Ronald Reagan
          40th President of the U.S.

          • Jeff

            What is that – the “school paper” in the psych ward where you “teach”?

        • Jeff

          Not all men who are disgusted by you are gay.

          • Jeff

            Facts? Is that what you call the garbage you post? I’ve never seen a fact in any of your posts – just hate-filled rhetoric. And if you think “most” of anybody agrees with your idiotic opinions, you’re truly deluded.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a FOOL Jeffry REPEATS HIS FOLLY.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 26:11)

            I even do not feel sorry for you, self-destructive Libtardic Psychopath. Seek Psychiatric help. Sooner – better.

          • Jeff

            I suggest you avoid psychiatrists, men in white, and anyone with a butterfly net. A tutor you could definitely use.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            See, even you can’t come with your own suggestion.

            All you can do is to plagiarize and past the talking points.
            “It’s irresponsible, it’s not unpatriotic” – O’homobama

          • Jeff

            Sorry, Aloondra. I can’t decipher your post. Seems my dog ate my English-Gibberish Dictionary.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            It’s strange you have problems with the English as a second language. Do not you like illegal immigrants?
            Have a little fun, dunce.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3wC7gkMDQ

          • Jeff

            Aloondra, sentence structure is the least of your problems.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        On that same subject:
        http://mises.org/daily/2541

        Rothbard is an awesome talent.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Good article. I’ll have to look at this site more often. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • Ciccio

    There is one good thing about the ANC, same as the Kenyan Mau Mau. or the Rhodesian Zanu. About 99% of the people they killed were their own. Of all the deaths in these three “independence” or “liberation” campaigns, about 5% were as a result of the security forces fighting the “liberators”.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      What a waste of energy, Dave67. Nobody, who reads your comments regularly, believes a word you say.

  • WTS/JAY

    Brzezinski: “Populist Resistance” is Derailing the New World Order

    During a recent speech in Poland, former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski warned fellow elitists that a worldwide “resistance” movement to “external control” driven by “populist activism” is threatening to derail the move towards a new world order.

    Calling the notion that the 21st century is the American century a “shared delusion,” Brzezinski stated that American domination was no longer possible because of an accelerating social change driven by “instant mass communications such as radio, television and the Internet,” which have been cumulatively stimulating “a universal awakening of mass political consciousness.”

    The former US National Security Advisor added that this “rise in worldwide populist activism is proving inimical to external domination of the kind that prevailed in the age of colonialism and imperialism.”

    Brzezinski concluded that “persistent and highly motivated populist resistance of politically awakened and historically resentful peoples to external control has proven to be increasingly difficult to suppress.”

    Although Brzezinski delivered his comments in a neutral tone, the context of the environment in which he said them allied to his previous statements would indicate that this is not a celebration of “populist resistance” but a lament at the impact it is having on the kind of “external control” Brzezinski has repeatedly advocated…

    http://worldtruth.tv/brzezinski-populist-resistance-is-derailing-the-new-world-order/

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      His fear is grounded.
      Greece, Portugal and Spain are talking about to step out from the EU.
      And it’s just beginning.

      And Russia and China will resist the “external control”

  • JeffH

    Sen. Ted Cruz delivered a speech at Hillsdale College’s 161st Commencement, held in the College’s Biermann Athletic Center on May 11, 2013.
    http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2013&month=05

    The Miracle of Freedom(excerpts)

    Last month the world lost Baroness Thatcher, and in her honor I’d like to spend a few minutes discussing with you the miracle of freedom.

    In the history of mankind, freedom has been the exception. Governed by kings and queens, human beings were told that power starts at the top and flows down; that their rights emanate from a monarch and may be taken away at the monarch’s whim. The British began a revolution against this way of thinking in a meadow called Runnymede in 1215. It was embodied in the Magna Carta, which read: “To all free men of our kingdom we have also granted, for us and our heirs for ever, all the liberties written out below, to have and to keep for them and their heirs . . . .” That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.

    The first is that our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents—but from God.

    Second, in the Constitution, America’s Founders inverted the understanding of sovereignty. Power comes not from the top down, but up, from “We the People,” and governing authority for those in political office is limited to set periods subject to elections.

    Even from my short time in elected office, I can assure you there are no angels in Washington, D.C. And that is why Thomas Jefferson said the “chains of the Constitution” should bind the mischief of government. Only when government is limited are rights protected, the rule of law honored, and freedom allowed to flourish.

    Simply put, the American free market system is the greatest engine for prosperity and opportunity that the world has ever seen. Freedom works. No other nation on Earth has allowed so many millions to come with nothing and achieve so much.

    But most importantly, freedom produces opportunity. And I would encourage each of you to embrace what I call opportunity conservatism, which means that we should look at and judge every proposed domestic policy with a laser focus on how it impacts the least among us—how it helps the most vulnerable Americans climb the economic ladder.

    The political left in our country seeks to reach down the hand of government and move people up the economic ladder. This attempt is almost always driven by noble intentions. And yet it never, ever works. Conservatives, in contrast, understand from experience that the only way to help people climb the economic ladder is to provide them the opportunity to pull themselves up one rung at a time.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said Jeff H! I remember that article. Our rights do come from God, the first 10 Amendments, and as it says in the Declaration of Independence, “…endowed (blessed) by their Creator (GOD), of these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” It seems that people like Jeff, Dave, Dave 67, Bob666, and many others have either forgotten our founding, founding father’s beliefs, or are blatantly ignorant. They see our founding documents as stumbling blocks or hinderances to their ideology of bigger, more intrusive government. Government that is more and more controling and makes the people lazy, by being reliant on government to get things done, instead of being self reliant, personally responsible, and the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters (small, limited government). They are nothing but traitors, cowards, and fools. Thank goodness their group is getting smaller and smaller as Americans are starting to wake up from their sheeple sleep. Here is an article that deals with this subject.
      http://www.capitalhilldaily.com/2013/07/freedom-constitution/#more
      Here is a video about the libturd/progturd misconceptions of American culture.
      http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/trouncing-liberal-misconceptions-about-american-culture/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “It is impossible to rightly rule the world without God and the Bible.”
      George Washington
      Founding father
      Commander of the Continental Armies
      1st President of the U.S.
      Devout Christian

      • John Woodbury

        God bless you Samurai, I take relief in the fact that useful fools are the first to go. The man was dumped by two men of color and his slave connected mother, brought up by his white grandparents in better conditions than most during the 70’s, yet he is Afro-American. This man has real mental problems from the get go, yet we the sheeple of this country re-elected him, God bless us, because no one else will, least of king Obama

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Thanks and same to you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • AttMore

        Could not have stated it better….Kudos,and GOD BLESS!!!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Thank you. For it is hard to kick against the pricks, as is said in the Bible. May God bless you and yours also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • AttMore

            AMEN,brother!…GOD and COUNTRY!!!

  • sfcpete

    He should have done a show and tell with his daughters on the use of the Winnie Mandela Necklace. He should also inform the world that the poor black slaves were hunted down and captured by their black brothers who in tern sold them off to whitey.

    • ridge runner

      That is too many facts and truths for the lying muslim marxist to talk about. After Mandela and his thugs took over, food shortages started and regressed to bushman behavior, of becoming idoits again. Winnie was a a no class slut with her stable of young buck. Real slubs to model your self after.

      • JRR

        Some non-western countries are pretty primitive.

        Western authorities should have remembered that before they decided to inundate westerners with primitives from those countries.

        Or, maybe all the problems we have thanks to the primitives have been INTENTIONALLY inflicted on us by “our” “leaders.”

    • JRR

      My understanding is that the blacks sold black slaves to MUSLIMS, who then shipped them to America and sold them to whites … well, after the first slave was sold to a black man.

  • ridge runner

    MLK and all of his so called (Reverands) backers, likes of Jesse Jackson, ,Al (Twalee Sharpton, Mulslim Wright and sevaral other pukes spewing BS with their Bible in one hanf clutching their dick in the other, all used the same shake down style as the muslim marxist, Obozoo.

    • Jeff

      Ridge Rat:

      You aren’t fit to drink MLK’s pee. He’s one of the most important Americans of the 20th Century. What have you done other than denigrate people because they’re a different color from you? Go look at pictures of lynchings and pleasure yourself.

  • Chris

    Mandela was no Ghandi or Martin Luther King … but he’s all black South Africans have!

  • Da Buda Masta

    So please elaborate how terrorist Nelson Mandela become South Africa’s first black african President Nelson Mandela.

    • Rob Porter

      If you don’t yet know then nobody can help you.

  • Irish1025

    His “hero” is a terrorist? That would explain a whole lot about Obama .

  • JRR

    What has Mandela’s position been about the genocide of the white South African farmers, which has included the murders of whole families, brutal torture to death of children, and even dropping white infants into vats of boiling water?

    Surely he was against this. What did he say about it? Anyone? Anything?

    • Rob Porter

      That’s the problem, when the violence and corruption began so dramatically after he got into power Mandela didn’t say or do much about it – if anything. If truly horrified by the immensity of the brutality and savagery on farms, why was there never a concerted effort from him to have the barbaric scum captured or killed? It’s had a dramatic effect on the country’s agricultural production.

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