Obama: Con Man Or Madman?

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I keep asking: Why Syria? Why now? No war in America history has ever been opposed by 71 percent of the citizens or by 75 percent of the military. That’s how absurd and unnecessary this war is. Then you realize Barack Obama has so many scandals and failures to hide that war is the perfect cover story to mask the most disastrous record in modern Presidential history. Obama is a desperate man. He has to cover up the truth.

We have a con man in the White House.

The sad thing is it’s working. The media headlines should be about the massive Internal Revenue Service scandal ordered by the Obama Administration and aimed at Tea Parties, Obama critics and GOP donors. Because it’s no longer in the headlines (because of Syria hogging the media spotlight), no one is mentioning that the IRS attacks on conservative leaders and groups is the worst political persecution in modern political history. It was a witch hunt conducted by big-government employees upon conservatives who stand for smaller government. It was an attempt to end free speech. And it was a massive fraud to change the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election. Obama’s re-election is one big fraud. But Obama has used Syria to push the IRS scandal out of the headlines.

We have a con man in the White House.

The media headlines should be about the National Security Agency scandal aimed at violating the civil rights and invading the privacy of every American citizen. But with Syria hogging the media spotlight, we have all forgotten that Obama listens to every phone call, watches every email. Big Brother rules our lives. If a Republican were in the White House, this massive violation of our civil liberties would be the No. 1 news story in the Nation. But with Syria in the headlines, we don’t hear a word about the NSA scandal anymore.

We have a con man in the White House.

The media headlines should be about Benghazi, Libya. Not only should everyone be asking why four American heroes died (including the first U.S. ambassador killed in more than 30 years), but why? Were they killed with weapons supplied by the Obama Administration to al-Qaida rebels? Why weren’t Obama and Hillary Clinton forced to resign in disgrace for the worst (and most obvious) cover-up in modern Presidential history?

Like the IRS scandal, the Benghazi scandal changed the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election. Would Obama have been re-elected had the public known there was no “spontaneous demonstration” outside our embassy that day and that the weapons used to attack our embassy were supplied by our own CIA, upon orders of Obama? Would Obama have been re-elected had Americans known that there was time to save those brave heroes defending our embassy, but Obama and Clinton refused to send a rescue team — multiple times. Fraud was committed to re-elect Obama. But with Syria in the headlines, no one is mentioning Benghazi anymore.

We have a con man in the White House.

The media headlines should be about Obamacare — a fast-moving train wreck about to destroy the entire U.S. economy. It’s so bad that Congressmen exempted themselves a month ago. It’s so bad that union leaders met with Obama at the White House to demand they all be exempted or that Obamacare be repealed. Yes, unions are asking for the repeal of Obamacare, the signature achievement of the man they elected President. Shouldn’t this story be in the headlines?

It’s so bad the head of the IRS testified in front of Congress that he didn’t want Obamacare, and he’s in charge of enforcing it. It’s so bad that the telemarketing company Obama hired to promote Obamacare employs part-time workers so they don’t have to offer health insurance to employees. It’s so bad that fast-food chains are “sharing” employees so no one works more than 29 hours, thereby avoiding Obamacare requirements.

And what about the questions? Obamacare demands doctors by law ask every patient about their sexual histories. Then that information will be turned over to government. Big Brother will use this information to control our lives. Conservative politicians will be blackmailed into supporting big government or forced to resign, as their personal information is leaked by Obama. How about women? Where are the women’s groups protesting in the streets? Where are the headlines? Oh, right. Syria is in the headlines.

We have a con man in the White House.

The media headlines should be about this part-time economy created by Obamacare. The numbers are sickening. The whole country is being reduced to nothing but crummy, crappy, part-time jobs. Since January, 77 percent of all jobs created in America under Obama have been part-time jobs.

Not surprisingly, in a Nation with only crummy part-time jobs, the income picture is degenerating into a nightmare. Real household income has dropped in every year of Obama’s Presidency. A new Census Bureau report reveals that the typical American family, under Obama, now earns less today than it did in 1989.

How about the numbers living in poverty under Obama? An unimaginable 46.5 million Americans now live in poverty under Obama — twice as many as the population of Syria. Maybe it’s America that needs saving, not Syria?

There are more Americans on food stamps (23.1 million) than the population of the entire Northeast United States (20 million), including New York, Boston and Philadelphia.

But with a possible war in Syria in the headlines, no one is noticing all these scandals, all this bad news, a crumbling economy and a collapsing middle class. Obama has clearly wrecked America for generations to come.

We either have a con man in the White House or a madman.

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Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • independent thinker

    “We either have a con man in the White House or a madman.”
    No. It’s both.

    • FreedomFighter

      Even making it more frightening is the fact Oblamer is packing the government with like minded progressive con men and madmen and some of them are women…Fiendstien, Pelosi, V. Jerrod…
      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • usaok59

        Don’t forget the Muslim Brotherhood people he has installed into high places.

        • KG

          The MB is run by the CIA. You got your conspiracy theroys messed up

          • usaok59

            Oh, I think not! What is going on is NO conspiracy theory, it is a tragic reality!!

          • usaok59

            Oh, I think not! What is going on is NO conspiracy theory, it is a tragic reality!!

      • podunk1

        I’d like to think he was a con man, psychopath, or bumbling idiot. He’s none of the above, yet maybe all, and endlessly more at any given time. By deed, he’s a cold calculating traitor of Biblical portions.

        Do you know of anyone operating a successful business that isn’t working 24 hrs. a day, always on target, and obsessed with real logic, purpose, deductive reasoning, and facts? When he isn’t reading from his teleprompter, he’s playing, living the high life with low life people, portraying Mussolini, or sleeping while Benghazi is burning!

        The diabolical dismantling of the USA by deception, imprinting, and compromise is far deeper than our demonic leader. Patterns of scripted behavior run wild through the legislature and the judiciary.

        So, who owns the puppets, writes the scripts, and gathers the rewards of plunder? The money trail of super PAC globalist billions is a neon sign begging to be turned on. Who are they, and why don’t we know… in an era where there are zero secrets or privacy anywhere from the US spy palace to Google, Microsoft? Where’s the referee??? Can no one tap the endless reservoirs of everything everybody ever did? Maybe the next whistle blower will find the rat’s nest, set it on fire, put them where they belong, and actually save the USA!

  • Harold Olsen

    Obama: Con Man or Mad Man?
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    Both. And very dangerous to the country on both counts.

    • Mole Johnson

      weasel in the white house, better call Orkin!

  • Keith Shedron

    Both. And a traitor who is now knowingly arming the enemies of our country.

    • Mole Johnson

      Isnt that … treason?

    • ZaMan

      Is Barack Obama a Muslim?

      No , and there was approximately more than 55 question in sodahed
      asking same question .. simply Obama is judeo Christians and flexible ,
      and sometimes, he can be nothing , have no religion , so he change
      according to circumstances and situation

      Is Barack Obama a Traitor?

      No, Obama know what terrorism means and he uses this terminology effectively to fight his enemy ..

      Does Barack Obama hate America?

      no , he grew up there , brought up there and loyal to the
      constitution and has been tasted again and again and again , otherwise
      he would not be a president 2 terms!

      Is Barack Obama an evil man?

      only his wife can answer this question , but in public he shows gentleness , great diplomacy and good public relation ..

      There is plenty of room for legitimate criticism of this President, but almost all you hear from the right about him is illegitimate criticism (be it birther nonsense, golfing jokes, Marxist Democrat, etc). Instead of hatefully attacking Obama, his detractors should state their disagreements with his POLICY.

      Obama is so far from being a Marxist that you must just use this as an epithet.

      Oh, for God’s sake, why don’t you just ADMIT it ?? You’re bitter and pissed at having lost TWO presidential elections in a row to a black man who’s smarter than the best people you have. Your party’s national base is drying up before your eyes and you just can’t stop hating women and minorities long enough to recover from your schizophrenic primaries and the self inflicted damage they do to your wild-eyed and addled candidates.

      Party, indeed !!! That’s a party America has proven it will always and forever be late to.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        O must be desperate if he has to have you come to PLD site to be an apologist for him. O hasn’t been able to convince all people that he is the messiah or the pre mahdi, but you are so presumptuous that you will.

        • ZaMan

          Thanks for proving my point that NOT only are you a racist, but a bigoted POS as well!

          I’m still waiting for those twenty reasons. There not listed. Is he a Islamist or a Marxist or a capitalist? The stock market has made record profits and gains under Obama. So that rules out Marxist.if he is a Muslim radical why did they attack Benghazi. Obama is respectful of all religions and just like the Taliban the religious right finds that blasphemous. You need better evidence or shut up.
          You look foolish but when has that ever stopped a fool from making absurd claims

          Just admit you hate having a black man as President and we can get one with out lives!

  • Deerinwater

    LOL! well, he is not Jimmy Carter. ~ This talk of scandal has been taking place since day one . That nothing has “stuck” yet, ~ doesn’t deter the practice.

    If “Arms for Hostages” ~ ( to enemies no less) couldn’t find traction what chance do you think that you’ve got to bring down 44 with contrived and trite stories?

    • KG

      Under Jimmy Carter, the economy was starting to improve. Reagan got elected mostly because of the Playboy article Carted did when he was honest about lust. Along with false allegations of racism, and an opponent with an “…iron Cowboy hand wrapped in velvet” the melancholy, yet realistic Carter was trumped.

      I still wonder why Edwin Meese wasn’t arrested for treason?

      • chocopot

        “Reagan got elected mostly because of the Playboy article Carted did when he was honest about lust.”

        You are joking, aren’t you?

        • KG

          were you even alive then?

          • chocopot

            Yes, I was, I’m 60. And what has that got to do with anything?

      • liz

        Jimmy Carter said the Muslim Brotherhood were nice peaceful people. Actually they are the mother and father of Al Quida, that shows how bright he is.

  • northbrook

    The analysis of the media coverage is so correct as is theanalysis of Obama. Can America survive the next two + years of Obama that is the question. Obama’s legacy the most destructive president ever to hold office.

  • KG

    I asked the same question when Reagan was elected. I kept asking myself ‘…why does he hate working people so much?’ It was under RR, the ‘deficit’ hawk that government debt exploded to pay for his ‘star wars’ system of missile defense. He fired an entire industry’s of workers just to prove to everybody how much he hated Labor Unions. And, of course, our country is still prosperous from THAT decision.

    The Internal Revenue Service ‘scandal’ is just a realization that the IRS’s policy of non alignment with politically motivated exemptions WORKS. And let’s not forget the literal avalanche of bogus applications that swamped their offices. Applicant’s for “social welfare” groups like the ‘AR-15 Owners of Orange County’. What kind of ‘welfare’ were they going to do for their community? Band-aids for the next mass shooting of a day care center?

    The NSA “revelation” was not news for many Americans because since the days of Nixon, many people realized that the traitorous Republican Right Wing were hell-bent on increasing surveillance on Americans to catch people “sinning”. Almost like their Puritan forefathers, the ‘witches’ had to be rooted out and burned at the stake.

    Every one should be aware that the ‘Benghazi’ incident was a CIA operation gone bad. The Ambassador was told of the danger weeks before but, like a true American, he wanted to stay at his post. It was the super-secret aspect of this CIA ‘operation’ that complicated public acknowledgement by Ambassador Rice and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    I agree. the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has tremendous flaws in it – mostly due to Republican sabotage. Like most normal, working people in America, The Act doesn’t go far enough. It actually need to be more rigorous and powerful in it’s approach to the problem of expensive healthcare in America.

    After 30+ years of conservatives using the mantra “Lower Taxes” America finds its self suffering from years of neglect. The destruction of the Labor Movements fight for better wages and conditions has stopped the progress of Americans up the economic ladder. In the 1980’s it was popular for certain business to have “Hostile Takeovers” of business, not for their manufacturing ability, but for their Pension Funds. Then taking the entire company and selling it off to the lowest bidder. It was these actions that are producing our current economic mess. Our President, Mr Obama knows what works. But ‘conservative’ ‘libertarians’ stymy any progress whatsoever due to the fear (or paranoia) of ‘communist influence’. Meh!

    • kenny desee

      @KG…well, I can see that you are a certified nut job! I agree with you on Ronald Reagan. But, things were sure a lot better under Reagan than they are under O’Bama or Carter. O’Bama is just stupid, or not??? He is working for his handler’s…corporate America. There is not a dimes worth of difference between the repukians or the dumbocrat’s. As for unions… speaking as the former 20 year Chairman for the AFL-CIO, they are a hot bed of communism. They started with A. Philip Randolf. The whole system is corrupt, and O’Bama is the worst. A communist agent. No one can be this stupid…or this sneaky…

      • KG

        Is there a Republican way to build a bridge? Is there a Democrat way to build a bridge? That little test will show you the foolishness of equating the two parties.

        As for so-called ‘communists’ in the labor movement, what about the Nazis in Americas Boardrooms? Or the Nazis who run the Military/Industrial complex? Or the Nazis who teach our young people economics? Rothbard would have been a perfect minister of economics. As well as Von Misies.

        • Vigilant

          Only you could equate a “hands off” economist with the Nazis.

          Volumes could be written about your political naïveté.

          “Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.”
          Robert A. Heinlein

        • usaok59

          Yes there are commies in all those places, but when the president is one, and he makes “executive decisions” tells lies, and helps the causes of the Muslim Brotherhood, then the problems are magnified even more.

    • Sam

      Stop trying to defend the fraud you voted in. You and millions others voted for obama because you wanted to see a black man for president. Never mind that he didn’t even qualify to run a lemonade stand. Reagan was a good president. I remember things were good for me back then even though I didn’t make much money. No one has been worse than the con man we have now.

      • KG

        I didn’t vote for our President because of his race. I didn’t vote for him because of his record, past, or opinions. I voted for him because he was a Democrat. And after almost 30 years of conservative domination in the Whitehouse I figured it was time for a good Democrat to come in and fix things like FDR did. Alas, the same characters that tried to torpedo FDR are doing the same thing to Mr Obama. If the National Chamber of Commerce would stop their stupid war against working Americans, we could be a great country again.

        • Marc Cantell

          There is the problem you voted party, not intelligent. This should never be about party, it should be about America. So back to your ‘party’ decision Look at this mans’ record. What has he done in this administration or previous? He’s spent more money than any other president. He goes on plenty of vacations, he gives away America’s money to other countries. If you want to dig deeper, look at how little is known about him? Everything about him is suspect, from the evidence he was never even eligible to be on the ballot ( lower courts have that evidence, check Indiana, and Ohio for examples of voter fraud ). His lack of leadership, and incompetence is amazing. Look at scandal after scandal erupting during his administration. Do you still think voting party was an intelligent decision?

          • KG

            Yes. If the Republican ran Jesus for president and the Democrats ran Satan, I would STILL vote Democrat. I would have a better chance of working.

            And don’t say the republicans wouldn’t do the same. Remember Cheney and Karl Rove? The Devil and Mrs Jones?

          • Vigilant

            That kind of says it all about you, KG.

            It says so much I’ll not even offer a comment on it.

          • KG

            WOOOF!

          • Gues T

            We already know you’re a dog. Now, play dead!

          • momo

            Well, that dumb a$$ comment speaks volumes about you KG!

          • flipped54

            Here is a link showing vacation days for Obama vs. Bush….Marc please deal with the facts.

            http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1931005-presidential-vacation-days-date-obama-95-a.html

          • Bill

            Good comment, Marc

        • Adolf Schmidt

          That type of thinking doesn’t get you too far!

        • hippybiker

          I guess you forgot the 8 years of ‘Slick Willy’ who, with Al Gore really raped the Social Security trust fund to balance the budget. You liberals are so one sided in your thinking. As a matter of fact, the rape of Social Security was ramped up under LBJ, who it turns out was really a total criminal, just as bad as Nixon, if not worse.

          • chocopot

            You forgot how Billy Boy slashed the Defense Department as well so he could balance the budget. That was the beginning of the really serious decline in our defense capabilities.

          • Karolyn

            And the DOD should be slashed even more!

        • Bill

          KG
          “After almost 30 years of conservative domination in the white house”. Now you are becoming delusional. You forgot about 4 years under Carter, 8 years under Clinton and the last 5 years under Obama. So, you failed math class?

    • hippybiker

      I hate to bust your bubble, pal, but RR has been dead and gone for years and years. Right now we are living in a world of SH*T created by Democratic Socialists. Wake up and smell the coffee!

      • KG

        How long has Thomas Jefferson been dead? How long has James Madison been dead? How long has Abraham Lincoln been dead?

        How long has your brain been dead?

        • hippybiker

          Actually, it is you who are brain dead. I had a good job and was doing rather well during the Reagan years, unlike the Carter years.

        • Vigilant

          This is rich. A communist extolling the greatness of American leaders.

          • Bill

            Vig,
            Just wait, KG’s next comment will be a quote from the bible. He is very entertaining

          • Charlie

            Yeah ,,, but it will not be “Harmonized” with other Scriptures ………………….

          • KG

            Luke 5 (King James Version)

            18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.
            19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
            20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
            21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
            22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
            23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
            24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
            25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.
            26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, do you pay your tithes ? Have you called in healing for the brain dead??? Give some names and numbers …………………………….

          • KG

            One of the documents tha Ho Chi Min used to justify his rebellion against the south was Americas Declaration of Independence. I think we as a nation was on the wrong side in that war.

          • Vigilant

            Yes, KG, what a glorious aftermath to the war that turned out to be. “At least one million South Vietnamese were sent to reeducation camps, with an estimated 165,000 prisoners dying. Between 100,000 and 200,000 South Vietnamese were executed; another 50,000 died performing hard labor in “New Economic Zones.”

            Let’s not forget your other communist buddies in that region. Wasn’t it wonderful what Pol Pot did in Cambodia? “The combined effects of executions, forced labor, malnutrition, and poor medical care caused the deaths of approximately 25 percent of the Cambodian population. In all, an estimated 1 to 3 million people (out of a population of slightly over 8 million) died due to the policies of his three-year premiership.” (Wikipedia)

            Yes, we certainly were on the wrong side in that war. Just think, you would have been able to help your commie allies wipe out all those people in the name of the Declaration of Independence.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We shouldn’t have been on either side. Their politics are none of our business.

        • Vis Fac

          About half as long as yours MORON Tell me something KGB do you parents have any living offspring? ZOMBIES like you don’t count. Cerebral necrosis has taken its toll on you.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • Doc Sarvis

      KG, very good post. I would add about the Affordable Care Act that Republicans,rather than forward legislation (some of which does exist) that would fix various problems with getting health care to everyone, are obstructing those efforts. This is to prioritize harming our President as opposed to helping the American people.

      • KG

        Remember when they said “…we are going to make Obama a one term president “? Instead of working for ways to improve the economic disaster of 8 years of Republican blundering, they just wanted it to get worse so they could say it was Obama’s fault.

        However, after being fooled by the Republicans in the past, America did the most logical thing by rejecting their lies and hoping for a better future with someone other than another Nazi.

        • Vigilant

          Yes, America has acted with logic in rejecting both Obamacare and interference in Syrian affairs. Even your highly vaunted unions have begun to open their eyes as to the destructiveness of Obamacare to the economy.

          You and Sarvis have got to be either the least informed people in America, or you are just shilling for a leftist master and have no conscience at all.

          • Bill

            Hi Vig
            They are both feeding at the public trough and they want to protect their cushy deal

          • KG

            Like you DONT want to be there? Meh!

        • Vis Fac

          That was before all the voter fraud perpetrated by the DEMONCRITIC party. AND the constant media attention which got that BOZO elected in the first place. Apparently you forget that lame stream media fawned over him while campaigning in Europe AND that FOREIGN contributions to his campaign in both elections (all illegal) Yep DEMONCRITES will stoop to ANY level to steal an election. They certainly sold you a bill of goods.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • Vigilant
      • Vis Fac

        My oldest daughter chose medicine as her profession and is now considering a career change all because of ODUMBO’s “Affordable Health Care Act” (a misnomer of epic proportions)

        The rules and regulations coupled with a non medical panel in charge of deciding who gets what treatment is appalling.

        If she were to provide treatment not authorized by this panel she would face a $100K fine for the first offense $200K for the second and incarcerated for the third.

        A few of her colleagues have left the profession as they cannot live with not providing the best of care to everyone. SO go ahead and languish with the reality of having the IRS dictate what health care you receive.

        Congress who have EXEMPTED themselves should raise a huge red flag as to what is in store for the American people under ODUMBOCARE.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • usaok59

      OMG, what a LOAD of crap.Your name should be “KGB”! I don’t even know where to begin to clue you in. You must be living with your eyes closed and ears covered. As for obama knowing what works, yes, he knows how to turn this country into a socialist state. We are well on our way and ACA will finish us off.

      • Vis Fac

        No KGB has a chronic case of cranial-rectitis which results in severe hypoxia and cerebral necrosis.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      More union propaganda from KGB. I attempted to start a business during Carter’s Administration without success I was able to not only start a business but expand hiring nearly 100 employees under Reagan’s administration.

      Business ebbed and flowed depending upon who was in office. The proof is in the pudding folks when conservatives held office business was brisk when liberals held office business (and jobs) suffered.

      Liberals are not business friendly because they regulate and tax them into oblivion.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      KG
      That’s the saddest story I ever heard

      • Vis Fac

        The really sad part is he actually believes this BS

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

  • flipped54

    WAR does not represent even close to the majority of Americans. What is he trying to sell and make money on? Propaganda and selling his “book”. WAR is the con man and madman (he yells like one) and would have made a terrible president. A true president works for all Americans, not just a few at the top like WAR would have done. As far as Syria is concerned, the threat of military action against Assad was the reason for Assad to offer to surrender his chemical weapons. The threat worked….it was gutsy but it worked. I have to question the rest of his rant as to accuracy and truth. He knows he will make money from at least some Americans who will believe his rants and raving.

    • CCblogging

      Does the truth hurt that bad flipper?

      • flipped54

        Yes, CC, the truth hurts all Americans and the truth is that conservatives are ones hurting America. Hipshot, I don’t see where the President “parties”, in fact he and Bill Clinton combined vacationed a lot less than Bush.

        http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1931005-presidential-vacation-days-date-obama-95-a.html

        Yes, the truth is that WAR (Wayne Allen Root) does not tell the truth….and his propaganda hurts America. Yes, hipshot, the infrastructure is bad and with the Republicans stopping the jobs bill makes it even worse.

        http://www.policymic.com/articles/11510/senate-republicans-block-another-jobs-bill-face-backlash-from-american-public

        Yes, the truth hurts this country. And the “Koolaid” remarks are getting quite old…..not much constructive input in those remarks at all. Progressive thinking leaves the “Koolaid” remarks in the dust, dried up and irrelevant. Surely a new catch-phrase is circulating and we can drop this tired cliche. It’s getting about as bad as “Yo mama” jokes. I would hope there could be comments that are constructive with solutions.

        • Vigilant

          “Yes, hipshot, the infrastructure is bad and with the Republicans stopping the jobs bill makes it even worse.”

          “Fraid you got it backwards. The Repubs are trying to stop Obamacare, the biggest job killer of this administration. Hell, even the AFL-CIO has wised up!

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            I really like the ads for male enhancement.
            Wana go out for some cocktails?

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          • Vigilant

            OK, I wasted my time and read that patently biased piece of work. It would be difficult to compress more misrepresentation of the truth in that op-ed.

            We have such gems as “The total job creation from the time Obama’s first policy was impacting the economy in the third quarter 2009 until now has been 4,500,000 jobs – Nearly 31 consecutive months of job growth.”

            Then, “Republican policies led to a complete collapse of the bank sector and stock market; lending dried up for businesses and homes, the auto industry crashed, and the housing market faced a complete collapse.”

            Odd that the op-ed never mentions Obamacare, not one word. Odd that it fails to note that the labor force participation rate is at its lowest in decades, and that 3/4ths of new jobs are part time.

            Odd that it conveniently forgets that Bush administration officials on NUMEROUS occasions warned the Democrat-controlled Congress that their super lax lending initiatives would cause the housing market to implode, but were told every time, “no problem.”

            Odd that it blames Repubs for the auto industry debacle by ignoring that it was the unions that caused the bankruptcy. And nary a mention of Obama’s violation of the law in turning the Constitution and bankruptcy regulations on their head to semi-nationalize a private industry.

            Perhaps worst of all is the socialist assumption that government is in business to stick its nose into the affairs of a private capitalist economy. The Founders would blanch if told government is supposed to “create jobs” by meddling. No sir, the Constitution is very clear in expressing that government’s main job is to assure national security and to step out of the way, not insert itself into the economy.

            Now, are you ready to address my comment? “The Repubs are trying to stop Obamacare, the biggest job killer of this administration. Hell, even the AFL-CIO has wised up!”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Government can not create productive jobs. Leaders are simply buying votes from ignorant people. Every dollar they take from the Private Sector is a dollar less that could be spent on productive capital equipment, or at least be spent by the person who actually earned the money, instead of some Government-gifted parasite.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            TODH, if all people are interested in is a job that supposedly pays well they don’t care if Satan himself gave them a paycheck. Values such as Liberty and Freedom mean too little to these people and these values are not tangible.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Okay lets analyze this one bit of tripe from the article — “The total job creation from the time Obama’s first policy was impacting the economy in the third quarter 2009 until now has been 4,500,000 jobs – Nearly 31 consecutive months of job growth”.
            How convenient to pick a time 6-9 months after Obama took office. But let’s overlook that bit of chicanery and go with their claims:
            In Sep 2009, the number of people employed was 129,784,000.
            In June 2013 (latest actual figures), the number of people employed was 135,860,000.
            So, ignoring whether those new jobs were part-time or full-time, we have 6 million new jobs. Sounds great, yes? But what have those jobs cost?
            In fiscal year 2008 total Federal Government expenditures were $2982 Billion. Then Obama took over.
            In fiscal year 2009 total Federal Government expenditures were $3517 Billion.
            In fiscal year 2010 total Federal Government expenditures were $3457 Billion.
            In fiscal year 2011 total Federal Government expenditures were $3603 Billion.
            In fiscal year 2012 total Federal Government expenditures were $3795 Billion.

            So, in those 4&1/2 years the Federal Government spent
            $2850 Billion dollars more than they would have spent had they held the 2008 yearly rate. So for every job created they spent $475,083 extra. Wow. What a bargain! I want them to forgo creating my job and just give me the money.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Okay lets analyze this one bit of tripe from the article — “The total job creation from the time Obama’s first policy was impacting the economy in the third quarter 2009 until now has been 4,500,000 jobs – Nearly 31 consecutive months of job growth”.
            How convenient to pick a time 6-9 months after Obama took office. But let’s overlook that bit of chicanery and go with their claims:
            In Sep 2009, the number of people employed was 129,784,000.
            In June 2013 (latest actual figures), the number of people employed was 135,860,000.
            So, ignoring whether those new jobs were part-time or full-time, we have 6 million new jobs. Sounds great, yes? But what have those jobs cost?
            In fiscal year 2008 total Federal Government expenditures were $2982 Billion. Then Obama took over.
            In fiscal year 2009 total Federal Government expenditures were $3517 Billion.
            In fiscal year 2010 total Federal Government expenditures were $3457 Billion.
            In fiscal year 2011 total Federal Government expenditures were $3603 Billion.
            In fiscal year 2012 total Federal Government expenditures were $3795 Billion.

            So, in those 4&1/2 years the Federal Government spent
            $2850 Billion dollars more than they would have spent had they held the 2008 yearly rate. So for every job created they spent $475,083 extra. Wow. What a bargain! I want them to forgo creating my job and just give me the money.

          • flipped54
        • Bill

          Flipped,
          You must be a public sector worker

          • Vis Fac

            Or a welfare and food stamp recipient!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • flipped54

            Bill….Actually I was a farmer for 23 years and worked in town for 12. I am now semi-retired and work for myself. I have never worked for a public entity. I have been on both sides of the fence…I have had 2 kidney transplants in my lifetime along with multiple surgeries for other issues. While I was farming I paid out of my pocket $15,000/year for healthcare. Have you ever had to pay this much for healthcare? You’re assessment of my history of employment is quite inaccurate as is conservatives assessment of what this country needs to be progressive. Yet there is a continuation of conservative disconnect with the majority of American citizens.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If true, that is a sad story, flipped. But still, you have no right to saddle other people with your misfortune.
            Socialism is not only a logical failure — why would people be more productive when the non-productive get to ride on the shoulders of the productive — but it is also an experiential failure. If you study the economies of the countries with the least Government meddling, and those with the most Government meddling, you will see that Socialism just does not work:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • flipped54

            You turned my comment all around and tried to make me want to “saddle other people with your misfortune”. I paid for all of my medical bills and continued working. My situation was not socialism by far. You missed the point entirely because you have preconceived notions that do not apply to me. I agree that pure socialism does not work just as pure capitalism does not work. I have enough to retire on because I worked for it….but I also paid a lot in taxes that provide infrastructure, social security and medicare for all, including me AND YOU.

        • CCblogging

          When all else fails with you kool ade drinkers, blame Bush. How ridiculous.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          flipped (aptly named) says — “Progressive thinking leaves the “Koolaid” remarks in the dust, dried up and irrelevant”.
          Yeah, flipped, whatever you say:
          http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm

          • flipped54

            What does my comment have to do with North Korea?? Yes, North Korea has a very bad government with a horrible human rights record but what does that directly have to do with my comment….?

    • Manny Beltran

      Watch out. That Koolaid is really dangerous

    • hippybiker

      Have you traveled the country lately? Our bridges and roads are crumbling, and O-Homo and his ilk are parting hardy. It just makes me sick to see my country going down the tubes.

      • KG

        Ummm… look at what your ‘conservative’ congressmen have been worried about. Womens Vaginas come first. We cant let them have an Abortion, unless the bridge they cross collapses and kills them. That would be better!

    • KG

      I get loads of junk e-mail from conservative groups who sell lots of trinkets and t-shirts with clever sayings on them. I would like a WAR keychain made in Mexico or China.

      • Vis Fac

        It is very likely that you will get your wish this because UNION THUGS hold US industry hostage with their ridiculous demands for high wages and pensions which necessitate charging higher prices for goods and services.

        This coupled with the consumer refusing to support domestic industry and wanting a cheaper imported knockoff item are more than willing to support a foreign economy just to save a buck or two.

        Domestic industry wishing to remain solvent either cuts its work force meaning the loss of jobs, or outsources to Mexico or China Then clowns like you have the audacity to complain.

        You cannot have your cake and eat it too my friend.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • KG

          Sounds like you have given up already. I hear Somalia has very little regulation as well as complete freedom to bear arms. With even your limited intelligence, you could be a millionaire in no time!

          • Vis Fac

            I am already a millionaire hard work sacrifice along with a few patents allow me to live the lifestyle I want. I see reality and what unions have done to the US industrial complex and the economy. You only see your UNION and what they steal from the American economy telling you they are on YOUR side when in fact unions are mini governments and self serving.

            You have been conditioned and used and fed a pack of BS which you spread as directed.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            I happen to be retired as well. Had brain cancer at 40 and have been retired since. I have a pension from my Union. Every cent I paid in union dues have come back to me. Being in the Union was the greatest thing I could have done. So “nany nany boo boo!”

          • Vis Fac

            You’re that old and still behave like a child? My five year old grand daughter is more sophisticated than you.

            I hope you enjoy your union pension paid with continually decreasing value of fiat money. The sad truth is the UNION has been using your money to invest in profits for the benefit of the union and you gave it to them free of charge at no interest. You only receive a fraction of what you could have had if you leveraged it properly. In my mind that wasn’t that wise a decision.

            But whatever floats your boat. Hope what you get for a pension is adequate six months from now.

            Myself I actually do not have much cash on hand as I leveraged what I had for “tangible assets” that have real value.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • S.C.Murf

      TIME to make that POPPING sound flipped 54 before you flip out even more. Come to think of it you sound a lot like 47, mark, smilee, kg and the rest of em

      up the hill
      airborne

      • flipped54

        SC…..your comment is irrelevant and without merit. It contributes nothing to this forum but the same type that WAR’s article does.

    • Bill

      Flipped,
      I bet you also believe in the Easter Bunny

      • flipped54

        That is a very simplistic reply…..didn’t take much to think that one up. Frankly, I believe in a fair, balanced economy….equal rights for all men and women, religious freedom, fair taxation, economic justice, fair and equal access to healthcare, a strong middle class, the right to one’s opinion (even yours) and the right to bear arms. By the way, you forgot to mention ghosts and goblins, Santa Claus, Father Time, Mother Nature, the Headless Horseman, the Wizard of Oz, flying monkeys….did I miss any? But one thing, I refuse to wear those silly aluminum hats, a waste of Reynolds Wrap.

  • WiSe GuY

    Obama needs to be put in a mental institution.

    • Manny Beltran

      Sure. Leavenworth, Kansas.

      • liz

        Only after a mental institution, we want him to understand why he is in Leavenworth!

    • mark

      Yeah and the moon is made of ice cream. Keep dreaming, haters. None of your fantasies of overthrowing Obama will ever come true – and you know it. And Hillary Clinton will be our next president with only irrelevant haters like yourself to oppose her. Her victory will be another cinch like 2008 and 2012. Have fun on the losing side because that, after all, is all you have in life.

      • liz

        How many buses do you plan on sending to the polls? Be careful what you wish for, remember, you appose a Clinton and you may just disappear. I know some who came to our Country legally to get away from a place run like our Nation is turning into. They keep saying they don’t understand why Americans don’t wake up and see what is happening because of O’Bama. I tell them because liberal Americans haven’t experienced or had to live like they have. Conservative Americans hope we never do.

  • WTS/JAY

    Both, and that is all we’ve ever had since day one; con-men and madmen! Quite pointless, btw, to shame and guilt the CEO in the hopes that he will change the corrupt-system. Obama is not in office to change the system, Obama is in office to perpetuate the corrupt-system; to strengthen it, shore it up, support it, reinforce it, prop it up, brace it, underpin it, augment it, buttress it; but never, as his track-record reveals, to change it! The idea that replacing the current, (using the Mafia vernacular) , wise-guy, made-man, boss, will somehow radically change the nature of the crime-syndicate, is nothing short of naive!

    What people need to realize is that, crooks/politicians learned long ago; you can turn any criminal organization into a political one by simply legalizing every crime they’re going to commit.

  • Mike

    It is not Obama any more than it was Bush. Syrian Girl has the real reasons the puppet presidents dance at the end of their strings: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm
    She lays it out in a video called, 8 reasons the New World Order hates Syria
    1) Syria’s Central Bank is state-owned & controlled
    2) Syria has no IMF (International Monetary Fund) debt.
    3) Syria has banned genetically modified (GMO) seeds
    etc. Watch and learn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP3mXVRd89Y

    • Sam

      Bush wasn’t a damn communist Muslim. His democratic controlled congress was a huge problem.

      • Mike

        Believing an R is better than a D or vise versa has gotten us to where we are now. It is time to face reality before we run out of change.

        • Vigilant

          Well, of it weren’t for the Rs we’d be under the UN Small Arms Treaty as we speak. Don’t be so quick to condemn all.

      • paulrph1

        Both Bushes are progressives and are in bed with Clinton and Obama. They all believe in the NWO and want to bring America down. Bush did too many things to not see what he has done. All of the Presidents since Kennedy except maybe Regan have been of the same mentality.

      • Sam

        Time to have conservatives take over the White House and straighten out the mess! If our leaders don’t answer to the God of Abraham, they answer only to themselves and we end up with only corruption.

  • WTS/JAY

    Muslim Brotherhood official, former Clinton Foundation employee, arrested in Cairo…

    A Muslim Brotherhood official working for the Clinton Foundation? So is it then possible that there could be Muslim Brotherhood operatives working in government agencies as well, as Representative Michele Bachmann alleged to thunderous ridicule last summer? Why is it inconceivable?

    A senior Muslim Brotherhood official who, until recently, had been employed by the William J. Clinton Foundation was arrested in Cairo on Tuesday and charged with inciting violence.

    Gehad el-Haddad served as one of the Muslim Brotherhood’s top communications officials until Egyptian security forces seized him as part of a wider crackdown on officials loyal to ousted former President Mohamed Morsi.

    Before emerging as a top Brotherhood official and adviser to Morsi, el-Haddad served for five years as a top official at the Clinton Foundation, a non-profit group founded by former President Bill Clinton.

    El-Haddad gained a reputation for pushing the Muslim Brotherhood’s Islamist agenda in the foreign press, where he was often quoted defending the Brotherhood’s crackdown on civil liberties in Egypt.

    He was raised in a family of prominent Brotherhood supporters and became the public face of the Islamist organization soon after leaving his post at the Clinton Foundation.

    However, much of his official work with the Brotherhood took place while he was still claiming to be employed by the Clinton Foundation….

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/muslim-brotherhood-official-former-clinton-foundation-employee-arrested-in-cairo.html

    • KG

      Maybe that he’s actually a CIA agent, since the MB was the Anti-communists in Egypt.

    • Mole Johnson

      Wait a minute … Barak says the mooj are our friends ….

    • liz

      O’Bama just appointed Mohamed Elibiary to HSA, he is Muslim Brotherhood, how many does this make—maybe 6 or 7?

  • Sam

    I have been saying for 5 years that obama is a Muslim and a Marxist and he wants to collapse our dollar, our economy and bring in tyranny. He is scum and should be arrested and tried for treason and given the death penalty. I couldn’t have made the stuff up that he has done to America and the world. The guy is helping the Muslim Brotherhood to unite the Arab countries under one leadership or caliphate. That’s the only thing that makes sense of what he is doing. Of course, he has to take America down at the same time. It’s about getting America out of the way so the Islamic fanatics can take over. Obama is a con man. He is working for the devil.

    • wavesofgrain

      It reminds me of Stephen Kings, ‘The Stand’. Oblam reminds me of Randall Flagg, the devil who took over Las Vegas and threw out all the morals of society and turned it into a corrupt mafia sin circus. All his followers and toadies were tripping over each other to please him, lapping up Flagg’s drool.

      • Vis Fac

        How apropos ODUMBO is from Chicago as is the Mafia!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • S.C.Murf

      Sam, George Soros was in a interview last week and was saying how it is TIME for a one world currency and that America is on board but China needs to buy into it and get with the program. Is this what they are planning for next year?

      up the hill
      airborne

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        They’ve been striving for that goal since the beginnings of our country. The more Central the Bank, the more Power there is for the Bankers.
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf
        We need to de-fang the Bankers by demanding real money (Precious Metals based, preferably Gold) and thus taking Money Creation out of their hands.
        Here’s another book that all concerned citizens should read so as to know what’s going on in the world of Money:
        http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    • Joanne Thomann

      Good for you, your right on

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The problem is that Americans ever lazily let the Federal Government grow to its current Leviathan state where one loose cannon can do so much damage.
      We need to take our Federal Government back, and reduce it in size at least to its intended Constitutional size. (I would go further).
      The Federal Government spent 3% of our GDP in 1900 and prior. Now it spends in excess of 24% of our GDP. Since the Federal Government’s only legitimate role is to protect us from Foreign Invasion or Wrongful Force by Local Governments, even 3% would be bigger than it need be.

      • Vis Fac

        It’s know as apathy and indolence. In reality we all want a life of ease I know I do. The only problem is far too many people believe that the government is there to provide for their wellbeing and as such can live the life of Riley, when in fact they don’t. Liberals like money everyones money that get mad when they have non so they steal it from those who work.

        My father instilled values and a work ethic in me values that have recently gone the way of the dinosaur. I knew no one was going to endow me with riches and it was up to me to succeed.

        My father passed when I was 8 years old I held a job since age 11. I helped support a mother and younger brother graduated early from high school and enlisted in the military while in service took college courses and managed to earn three engineering degrees and my MBA.

        I say this not to brag but that no one did this for me. I had to earn what I have for myself. It is best not to depend too heavily on anyone or anything for even your own shadows leaves you in darkness.

        Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

        The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
        too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Bill

          Good comments, Force

          My father ran a construction company and I remember when someone showed up late or offered excuses, he would start wiping his eyes and say “That’s the saddest story I ever heard”

          The saddest part about this story is that the youth are being sold a bill of goods and the joke will be on them.
          They have never experienced a booming economy like we had under Reagan and they will think this is normal

          • Vis Fac

            Why do you think the DUMBOCRITES introduced legislation to add the 22nd amendment allowing 18 year olds the vote? They knew the only way to win was to have the low informed voters usually the young who are easily manipulated to vote for the DEMOCRATIC party. At the same time the NEA (Liberal Union) started dumbing down schools further expanding the low information voter base. A master plan for the liberals to perpetually hold office.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • wavesofgrain

          Your story is describing the true American Individual Responsibility. And I, also, worked my way up from the bottom to where I am today, owning a business. I wholeheartedly agree about the disappearance of the work ethic.

          All those people who were spending their money downing jello shots at the bar every night while I was saving for one class at time to better myself…NOW tell me (with jealousy) how lucky I am. They think I should hand over what I earned and split it with them.

    • ZaMan

      Seriously, Like I needed MORE proof Obama-haters Are THE biggest racist, bigots, and black-hating scumbagsin history! This is it!

      s Barack Obama a Muslim?

      No , and there was approximately more than 55 question in sodahed
      asking same question .. simply Obama is judeo Christians and flexible ,
      and sometimes, he can be nothing , have no religion , so he change
      according to circumstances and situation

      Is Barack Obama a Terrorist?

      No, Obama know what terrorism means and he uses this terminology effectively to fight his enemy ..

      Does Barack Obama hate America?

      no , he grew up there , brought up there and loyal to the
      constitution and has been tasted again and again and again , otherwise
      he would not be a president 2 terms!

      Is Barack Obama an evil man?

      only his wife can answer this question , but in public he shows gentleness , great diplomacy and good public relation ..

      There is plenty of room for legitimate criticism of this President, but almost all you hear from the right about him is illegitimate criticism (be it birther nonsense, golfing jokes, Marxist Democrat, etc). Instead of hatefully attacking Obama, his detractors should state their disagreements with his POLICY.

      Obama is so far from being a Marxist that you must just use this as an epithet.

      Oh, for God’s sake, why don’t you just ADMIT it ?? You’re bitter and pissed at having lost TWO presidential elections in a row to a black man who’s smarter than the best people you have. Your party’s national base is drying up before your eyes and you just can’t stop hating women and minorities long enough to recover from your schizophrenic primaries and the self inflicted damage they do to your wild-eyed and addled candidates.

      Party, indeed !!! That’s a party America has proven it will always and forever be late to.

      • Sam

        You are a spam troll. I have seen your useless rhetoric before. Obama doesn’t get a pass because he is black. This is what the demoncrats were counting on. Now if anyone is critical of obama’s commie policies, his supporters get all bent out of shape. Stalin called people like you “useful idiots”, because they didn’t know the real agenda they were supporting. Stalin murdered 70 million people. Prove obama is NOT a Muslim. I can show you where he is. Why else would an American president give the Muslim Brotherhood $8 billion? Why is obama arming the al qaeda? Why does he wear a ring that says “there is no god but allah”? He removes it during the month of ramadan. Don’t forget those yellow, Arab print curtains he always stands in front of to speak at the White House. He bowed to the Saudi King. He said in his own words that he would “stand by the Muslims”. Give us a break with your stupidity. You are just afraid that you’ll lose your welfare check if you support a good guy.

        • ZaMan

          Thanks for proving my point that NOT only are you a racist, but a bigoted POS as well!

          Because someone does not use the word “creator” or “God” does not mean he is a Muslim. He could be an atheist or just not a Christian. These explanations don’t prove anything about Obama being a Muslim. Wishful thinking on the writer’s (or anyone else of the same mind’s) part.

          I’m still waiting for those twenty reasons. There not listed. Is he a Islamist or a Marxist or a capitalist? The stock market has made record profits and gains under Obama. So that rules out Marxist.if he is a Muslim radical why did they attack Benghazi. Obama is respectful of all religions and just like the Taliban the religious right finds that blasphemous. You need better evidence or shut up.
          You look foolish but when has that ever stopped a fool from making absurd claims

          Just admit you hate having a black man as President and we can get one with out lives!

          • Sam

            Listen to Avi Lipkin. Obama is a Sunni Muslim. The market is being artificially held up by the $85 billion a month that being printed. Obama doesn’t care about you or me or anyone else except himself. If he isn’t a Marxist then why did he nationalize everything he could get his hands on when he got into office? Why did he grow the government so huge? It’s killing us. We have no jobs. Our friends hate us and our enemies are laughing at us. He has made our military weaker and he keeps trying to get our guns away from us through constant regulation. I could write a book about this guy. Why don’t you try reading one?

          • ZaMan

            You realized you just proved my point on what a racist, bigoted, black-hating scumbag you are!

            No, you clearly don’t understand how courts work. In court, it is immaterial if the BCs are faked or not. Obama did not use them for any official purpose so charges of forgery could not be levelled against him.

            No, the basic question is whether he was born in Hawaii. And who would they ask for conclusive proof one way or another? The HDOH. Luckily for us, we have an inkling how the HDOH would respond in court because they have already spoken out of court that Obama was born in Hawaii.

            neoconservatives have tried to paint terrorism as a largely or exclusively Islamic phenomenon. Their message of Islamophobia has been repeated many times since the George W. Bush era: Islam is inherently violent, Christianity is inherently peaceful, and there is no such thing as a Christian terrorist or a white male terrorist. But the facts don’t bear that out. Far-right white male radicals and extreme Christianists are every bit as capable of acts of terrorism as radical Islamists, and to pretend that such terrorists don’t exist does the public a huge disservice

            Muslims don’t eat Pork for the following reasons:
            •If God, The Creator and the All-Wise, commands us, explicitly, not to eat Pork, then we should obey Him without any debate and without asking why.
            •Forbidding eating pork goes back to the time of Abraham. Pork is forbidden also in Judaism.
            •The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known.

            guess I got my answer, you DO hate having a black man as president of the United States!

          • Sam

            So obama can do anything he wants because he’s black? That makes YOU a racist. Islam teaches to kill infidels. Who does that? Satan does, so allah is satan. If obama isn’t a Muslim, then why is he arming al qaeda? You still haven’t answered that.

          • ZaMan

            What is it about this web site that draws older, racist, bigoted white males

            What is it about Obama’s statments that draws older, racist, bigoted white males?
            The fact that it’s a black man saying this!

            Personally, I don’t agree with him, but not enough to question his sanity!

            Barack Obama, the President of the United States of America, is a true
            Christian man who loves his country dearly. Those of you sick people
            who try to otherwise proclaim differently really need to get a reality
            check. He has done MORE for our country than any other. Too bad that
            your grand kids will wonder why their grandparents were so stupid!

            Oh no, the people in the white house are giving Syrians ways to protect themselves from chemical weapons. how absolutely terrible… except, no, it’s not. maybe the ban was originally meant to stop us from giving them guns, but it also stopped us from helping them with their chemical warfare problem. so he waived it to aid them. this article was originally written to elicit your negative responses because it now seems like we’re giving them guns. maybe i’m one of the sheeple because im not making up my own crazy reasoning, but rather listening to the people in office. or maybe, you’re all sheep following the anti-Obama herder.

            P.S. You gave your brigade detached from reality meaning, not the real
            meaning! you prove my point! You REALLY don’t know WHAT a racist OR what
            the word means. You throw the word around like an idiot, . AND never
            COULD cite examples of discrimination and prejudice against someone of a
            race, religion, etc. in my comment!

          • Sam

            You are very narrow minded. All you do is accuse people of being a racist just because they happen to disagree with obama’s policies. You are looking in a magic mirror seeing what you want to see. Investigate what people are saying. See if it’s true. You don’t do this. That makes you ignorant. Don’t be ignorant. The left promoted obama because he WAS black. That way, they could scream “racist” at every step of the way while he worked his agenda of “transformation” and “spreading the weatlh”. Listen to Avi Lipkin on You Tube. He knows what he is talking about. What about Reverend Manning and what he says about obama? This is a black preacher. Is he racist because he calls obama a “devil”? Hey, wake up and smell reality. Your messiah is working for Satan. Oh, yes, I saw a picture today of armed terrorists standing in a “US AIDE” tent. If that isn’t aiding and abetting the enemy, I don’t know what is.

          • Guest

            Please. With every rant you just keep digging yourself deeper and proving my point on what a racist, bigoted, black-hating scumbag you are?

            Like I needed more proof that anyone who hates Barack Obama are THE biggest
            racists and black-hating bigots in American History….this is it! However,
            there are many attackers of the President who ARE racist, and who have used
            ignorant, ugly, and bigoted ways to attack the US President. There are many who
            have resorted to attacks that have nothing to do with facts, policies or issues.
            No doubt in my mind Obama-haters are racists and hateful to the core!

            I keep reading hyperbolic posts here claiming that Obama is destroying the
            United States. If you believe this, can you please provide facts to backup your
            opinions?

            Obama is a legitimately elected president–two solid majorities of both
            electoral and popular votes. He was born in Hawaii, proven fact. He is a
            Christian. He’s no more evil than any other politician, a lot less evil than
            some I could mention. He is not trying to ‘destroy America’ unless your
            definition of ‘destroy America’ is to have a Democrat in the White House. He is
            not a marxist or a socialist or a communist or a fascist, he is not a terrorist,
            he is not a traitor and the people who use these words are only showing very
            clearly that they have no idea what the words actually mean! He does not hate
            white people.

            If Obama was 1/1000th the tyrannical dictator you claim, do you REALLY think
            you could talk about him the way you do? NO!

            5. President Obama is NOT a “closet Muslim.” AND Anyone who calls Obama a
            communist IS a racist R-tard!

            You won’t provide any evidence today, any more than all the other times you
            have come on here and posted the same untrue statements. Post and run is your
            only purpose.

            He -can- be impeached, if he does something deserving of impeachement! But he
            hasn’t!

            So what else is new about bigots that don’t like a BLACK MAN as President of
            the USA.

          • ZaMan

            Please. With every rant you just keep digging yourself deeper and proving my point on what a racist, bigoted, black-hating scumbag you are?

            Like I needed more proof that anyone who hates Barack Obama are THE biggest
            racists and black-hating bigots in American History….this is it! However,
            there are many attackers of the President who ARE racist, and who have used
            ignorant, ugly, and bigoted ways to attack the US President. There are many who
            have resorted to attacks that have nothing to do with facts, policies or issues.
            No doubt in my mind Obama-haters are racists and hateful to the core!

            I keep reading hyperbolic posts here claiming that Obama is destroying the
            United States. If you believe this, can you please provide facts to backup your
            opinions?

            Obama is a legitimately elected president–two solid majorities of both
            electoral and popular votes. He was born in Hawaii, proven fact. He is a
            Christian. He’s no more evil than any other politician, a lot less evil than
            some I could mention. He is not trying to ‘destroy America’ unless your
            definition of ‘destroy America’ is to have a Democrat in the White House. He is
            not a marxist or a socialist or a communist or a fascist, he is not a terrorist,
            he is not a traitor and the people who use these words are only showing very
            clearly that they have no idea what the words actually mean! He does not hate
            white people.

            If Obama was 1/1000th the tyrannical dictator you claim, do you REALLY think
            you could talk about him the way you do? NO!

            5. President Obama is NOT a “closet Muslim.” AND Anyone who calls Obama a
            communist IS a racist R-tard!

            You won’t provide any evidence today, any more than all the other times you
            have come on here and posted the same untrue statements. Post and run is your
            only purpose.

            He -can- be impeached, if he does something deserving of impeachement! But he
            hasn’t!

            So what else is new about bigots that don’t like a BLACK MAN as President of
            the USA.

  • Warrior

    Definitely a “fraud” and a “con”. And the “progressives” are having to put in extra time to perpetuate it! The continual “focus” of this country is on our federal goobmints activities and it should not be this way. America, just because the “busy people” are totally unproductive doesn’t give us an excuse to be just like em. Frankly, they all need to be “bitch slapped” back into place. Start with “defunding now” and on to the next issue. Enough of this oblamacare boondoggle. The entire federal goobermint has become a “boondoggle”. The ONLY CONTROLLING performed is going to come from “We the People’s” side.

  • Larry

    Read “Rules for Radicals”, you too would learn as “The One” did …. DECEPTION at all cost wins!
    You can hear the rules in EVERY speech or lecture he makes.

    • KG

      If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

      • Vis Fac

        Maybe to your way of thinking Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology mandates hammers are only for driving nails Abstract thinking sees a hammer as an adjustment tool as well not just for driving nails.

        I suggest you quit posting as you are taking a hammering on this thread.

        Libertas
        inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Another stupid cliché that doesn’t mean a thing.

  • red neck

    Would obama have been “elected” if all of this signature scandals were in the spot light 24/7 ?…. The answer is a YES…. After all the “election” was a fraud… Everything that obama does is a fraud filled with lies and deception with the media parroting to the poor dumbed down sheeple…

    • StinkBomb Jones

      The Prez election was clearly stolen, look how many precincts had over 100% of registered voters…How can that happen? They stole it from Allen West in Fla. too…just like a few years ago when they stole it from Norm Coleman to elect that clown Al Franken-Stein in Minn. Why do you think Obummer told Medvedev he would have more flexibility after election? He knew he was gonna win….Big Time Soros money fixed the machines, too!

    • Deerinwater

      No, nether the election process or results is a fraud. ~ Your guy Mitt failed to secure enough votes when he was proven to be a two faced fraud. ~ Which anyone that “keeps-up” knew already. ~ Only the dumbest of the dumb required convincing evidence and their nose rubbed in it. ` About the only people that wanted Mitt for President was GOP leadership and the walking dead ~ which are about the same. ~ This left reasonable and rational people to vote “against Obama”. Some were reasonable and rational enough to ignore the whole process in disgust and refused to be a part of a debacle.

      This very same GOP leadership is and has been responsible for fabricated scandal after scandal ever since their “demise” and inability to fool enough American with the candidate that they and only they have elected to run for the first chair position. ~

      That the leadership of the GOP today has crapped in their parts and continues to blame someone else for the discomfort of having to sit in warm goo ~ is typical and par for the course. ~ This practice is most unattractive and very discouraging for anyone that believes that “worthy opposition” should be found at the core of any “sound government”

      When will GOP leadership stop this charade and accept the fact that all conservatives are not that easily lead with lies,twisted facts and half truths? When will they accept the fact, their platform, sentiments and sympathies are not in line with enough of America’s voters to secure a General election without having to lie the people?

      GOP leadership has been hell bend , ~ to discredit any and all opposition, by any means possible.

      GOP leadership needs to have a “Come to Jesus” meeting and decide what they need to do, ~ quit lying and offering false witness, offering “unworthy opposition” OR find a better liar.

      To hold to the notion that Americans are somehow stupid and easily lead ~ no longer works as well as it use too.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Who said Red Neck voted for Romney, Deer?
        Why do two wrongs always make a right with you Liberal Progressives?

        • Vis Fac

          Dave H Have you ever known a liberal to get anything right? I haven’t, they’re big on talk and fall miserably short on production.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Their entire mental framework is based on emotion rather than facts or logic. The appalling thing about them is that their ignorance is purposeful.

          • Vis Fac

            Ignorance sponsored by Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Sarah417

        Romney received 3 million votes less than Obama. 2 Million people across America did not vote for reasons unknown. Romney won significantly more votes than Obama from White Males and Independents. Low information voters making less than $30,000 a year, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and Women put Obama over the top. The rest was made up in voter fraud and he only eked out the election. Give us all a break and quit sitting on your heads.

        • Deerinwater

          attempt to offer some documentation of this alleged fraud. ~

          Sitting on my hands? ~ are you kidding me, ~ you don’t know me obviously so why pretend that yo might?

          This is no time for pretending. ~

      • Vis Fac

        Yeah ODUMBO received millions of deceased peoples votes (at least two from my father) as well as illegal alien’s votes. Why do you suppose Liberals are vehemently against immigration reform? Illegals receive free everything promised by ODUMBO and paid by the people who actually work and pay taxes. Without those votes liberals would lose any election they entered.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels 10/29/1897 – 5/1/1945 Minister of Propaganda Nazi Germany
      It certainly doesn’t hurt when you have lame stream media promoting said lies to a dumbed down population dependent on their every word.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • Warrior

    Obama’s accomplishments:
    Charles Wright
    Quit trashing Obama’s accomplishments. He has done more than any other President before him. He has an impressive list of accomplishments:

    First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
    First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
    First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
    First President to violate the War Powers Act.
    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
    First President to spend a trillion dollars on “shovel-ready” jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready” jobs.
    First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
    First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
    First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
    First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
    First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.
    First President to terminate America˜s ability to put a man in space.
    First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
    First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
    First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
    First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.
    First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
    First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
    First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
    First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).
    First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
    First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
    First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.
    First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 102 to date.
    First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
    First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
    First President to go on multiple “global apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.
    First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.
    First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
    First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
    First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.
    First President to repeat the Holy Quran & tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.
    First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences.”
    Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.
    First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

    How is this hope and change working out for you?

    Defund NOW! The “janitor n chief” is a “Fraud” and place the rest of his fellow “progressives” into the “dust-bin” of history. To all the federal goobermint “busy people”, we do not need or want your “relevance” in our lives any longer. You are making the rest of this country as unproductive as yourselves!

    • Deerinwater

      WoW! he’s been busy between all the goofing off he is claimed to do.

      One of your better posting Warrior, much better. I like it.

      Now if you can manage to offer support for half of these charges , you has really done something.

      OOPS! I busted the first charge that I looked into, ~ i don’t seen any need to continue

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp

      • S.C.Murf

        That’s right deer you’ve never finished anything in your life. Constantly the same old crap from deer

        up the hill
        airborne

        • Deerinwater

          OH! you want me to disprove all of Warriors charges do you?

          Well SC Murf ~ the first claim I selected from the middle was disproved very quickly. ~ and I’m a busy man with much on my plate to address. ~ My time spent here is a luxury, I have more constructive and profitable matters to address.

          This is a pleasure and joy for me. ~it takes my mind off of my problems and afford me amusement. `My “play time” ~

          I have no overriding interest, to change anyone’s mind about anything. The way you are and the way you think, serves me well, ~ what befit could I have in changing it?

          This is but a puzzle to me. ~ the objective is to expose the truth ~ wherever it might be found. Allow the pieces to fall where they may.

          The meaner and hotter the debate gets ~ the better I enjoy it.

          So ~ make my day. ~ I pick and choose, exploring the weak spots in an argument. ~

          I’m done with this , unless you or Warrior can produce something more “worthy”.

          • Rick Robinson

            You are a damn Lib Idiot!!! Deerinwater! You know it whenever you shave in the morning and look in the damn mirror!! Leave the Adults not living in their Moms Basements to the conversation!!! Disgusting man!!! Get a girlfriend and a life!!

          • Deerinwater

            Why don’t you stay on topic? ~ finding it impossible ? ~ I’m a conservative and your are “lost” and off topic and it would be wise to refrain from unsolicited personal attacks. Not that I mind, it just degrades the forum as you show yourself a fool.

            Mr. Livingston has hired a new Sheriff that holds little tolerance for nonsense and your dirty laundry. ~ have you met yet?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re not a conservative, Deer. Who are you trying to fool?

          • Deerinwater

            yea, and you not a conservative David . ~You are a Robber Barron wanna be.~ that just can’t cut the mustered with today’s legislation in place and looking about for a better , easier way to be one.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from DeerInHeadlights.
            The “Robber Barons” weren’t. They were just out-competing their politically-connected competitors.
            http://mises.org/daily/2317

          • Deerinwater

            Remember it ~ “Deerinwater” ~ I do not childishly make sport with you name or title ~ why must you find such a need?

            And “Right” ~ you wish to be one so bad ~ but everyone and everything stands in your way.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You called me a “Robber Baron”, Deer, and you whine about me slurring your name?
            You Liberal Progressives are a joke.

          • Deerinwater

            I don’t toy with you address David. ~ it’s foolish child’s play.

            Of all the thinks that I could refer you as , Robber Barron is must flattering.

          • Vis Fac

            Speaking of “Robber Barons” YOUR ZERO in office is the king of robber barons. He managed to screw the entire country while telling you he was going to tax the 1% who by the way financed his campaign. Sequestration was yet another ploy to raise taxes on EVERYONE while granting special consideration to the “evil 1%” I guess he sure showed you. How’s that working at providing “quality” jobs that were promised form all that revenue?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Only himself because his hero turned out to be a ZERO and now wants to distance himself yet still cannot abandon what he has been brainwashed into believing.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you are not a Conservative, your throwing in words to con people into putting their guard down so you can slither in like a snake.

          • Deerinwater

            The Tea Party is a Con ~ Nadzieja. ~ ~ once in power they would sell you out in a heart beat. ~ While you would rather just “believe ” and have never considered that it could happen. ~

            And No,~ I am a conservative, ~ that enjoys minding my own business for as long as I can, ~ and if people don’t mind theirs ~ there is always someone like my self that will do it for them when it interferes with my business.

            Today’s GOP is not displaying conservative values ~ so for you to proclaim that I’m not a conservative ~ is a joke.

          • Deerinwater

            “First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.”

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/cornell-mcclellan-obamas-personal-trainer-talks-work-outs-and-womens-sports/2012/02/01/gIQArVMqiQ_blog.html

            So the personal trainer is not only working with the whole family but staff as well.

            Being Physically Fit is required to be a Rough Rider, especially if you go by “Teddy”

            Teddy Roosevelt may be on Mount Rushmore for the job he did as the president of the United States but he makes the Mount Rushmore of physically fit presidents because he was versatile.

            Teddy Roosevelt wrestled, boxed, fenced, rock-climbed, engaged in jujitsu, played tennis, rode horseback and hiked!

            Not only did Roosevelt enjoy wrestling, but he was taught Jiu Jitsu by a Japanese master during his presidency!”

            Okay! Nobody ever said only American Presdients!

            President’s day 2009 should begin to reflect the international world we live in anyways.

            Former president and current prime minister of Russia Vladimir Putin can back up his fit look.

            While most other presidents are sitting a rocking chair choking on pretzels, Putin is punching people in the face!

            Putin is does not just practice judo and Russian Sambo he has reached advanced levels

            Currently, Putin holds a 6th dan (red/white belt) and is best known for his Harai Goshi (sweeping hip throw). Putin earned Master of Sports (Soviet and Russian sport title) in Judo in 1975 and in Sambo in 1973. After a state visit to Japan, Putin was invited to the Kodokan Institute where he showed the students and Japanese officials different judo techniques.”

            This personal trainer is not exactlly as poster claims. ~ nor was it a “first” for any president ~ here in America of somewhere else.

            The only truth here, is this is the first personal trainer from Chiago.

            Bye!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re too busy to disprove any of Warrior’s statements, but you aren’t too busy to write a long diatribe of disjointed nonsense?

          • Deerinwater

            I say it was my joy! ~ a luxury. ~ and if you wish to see it a discursive and disjointed ~ that’s up to you. ~

            I’ve debunked two of Warriors claims ~ so far and really must move on. ~ while I;d love to stay and toss you about.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel Free to try. I still haven’t gotten an answer from you on my first question, Deer.

          • Deerinwater

            I don’t recall you asking one David, ~ ~I looked ~ point it out , ~ if it';s worth responding to I shall .

          • Bill

            Deer,
            You have only debunked anything in your own mind.

          • Deerinwater

            by Snoops ~ on one ~ and there other was only correct by there being no personal trainer to “ever” to come from Chicago.

          • American Vet

            Maybe you should use some of your “play time” to further your education, and learn how to write and spell correctly. But that’s typical of left wing retards like you. You all think you’re so superior, yet you can’t even spell the word “benefit” correctly. BTW, you never disproved anything. Then, after your first and only lame attempt to disprove the first charge, you claim to have better things to do. Murph was right, you never finished anything in your entire pathetic life. Why start now? It is people like you who I will take pleasure in wiping off the face of the planet with just one, well placed 7.62mm round from my AK, when Obama initiates a U.S. civil war.I’m guessing it was your free Obama phone and the food stamps that keeps you a staunch supporter of the treasonous traitor. You people are so pathetic and petty. We’ll see who’s at the top when Obama and his entire administration are in prison, along with many members of Congress, Senate, and the U.S. military Obama appointees. Good luck!! You’re going to need it!!

          • Deerinwater

            You keep going there big boy ~ tell us all about it!

          • Deerinwater

            Snoops disproved it ~ I didn’t had too.

          • NickCzudy

            American Vet.
            sticks and stones………

            Your intellectual reply is to name call and threaten with your gun.

            Are there any adults on this site?
            It is your ego and ignorance that is speaking.

            Take your AK and put it up your own a$$. that is where it belongs. You might like it!

            Obama in prison? I will bet you that will never happen in our lifetimes . Obama has to do something criminal for him to be arrested. Do you live in another dimension?
            I bet you that you are one that has taken food stamps or social assistance. You have a lot of time to sit and caress your gun barrel. I do not mean to be demeaning, but your comment was fairly corrosive. I am tempted to give back what you gave, but I will hold myself in check.
            You need to chill out and open your eyes and ears to what is happening around you.
            warmest regards,
            Nick Czudy

          • Bill

            Deer,
            That sounds like a back peddle to me

          • Deerinwater

            You sound “retired”

        • Vis Fac

          You mean like every liberal? All I’ve seen from a liberal is them having their hands in everyone’s pocket starting countless social programs enacting band aid type statutes then when things go south they either bail or blame the conservatives ot the Tea Party. Is that want you mean?

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          You mean like every liberal? All I’ve seen from a liberal is them having their hands in everyone’s pocket starting countless social programs enacting band aid type statutes then when things go south they either bail or blame the conservatives ot the Tea Party. Is that want you mean?

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Help me out, here, deer. Which one of Warrior’s statements were you rebutting?

        • Deerinwater

          you might pull up the link, ~ David.

      • LastGasp

        Busted? More like confirmed.

    • Joanne Thomann

      This guy must work with him or on his payroll. Who do you think your BS ing.

    • mark

      Your long list here cut and pasted from a right-wing hate site is full of lies and distortions. Obama is president and will remain so until January 20, 2017 when he hands over the reins of government to President Hillary Clinton. This kills you guys but face the facts, you are irrelevant, wield zero influence in our society and were easily defeated again by Obama in 2012. Hillary Clinton will triumph as well over whatever hate-and-fear candidate the Tea Party puts up in 2016. Haters always lose and you guys a proof positive of that. But please, keep on hating. You have no other purpose in life – and such behavior guarantees future Democratic victories.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Feel Free, mark, to expose each and every lie and distortion.

        • mark

          You’re always such a big stickler for citations, Dave. Why don’t you castigate Warrior for not providing a single citation for his long list of charges? At least be consistent, go after libertarians who make huge claims with zero evidence also. Why do I have to provide citations to disprove a list of charges that have zero citations?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel Free to demand citations, mark, if you disagree with his statements.
            I only demand citations from people who make statements that I think are blatantly false. If you think a Libertarian is making a false statement, I encourage you to bust him/her.
            My only regret on Warriors post is the idea that it matters what wrongs past Presidents have done. It only really matters what Obama is doing wrong. We can’t, unfortunately, change the past.

          • Frank Kahn

            Most intelligent people can see the proof of the charges, without needing extra links.

        • Vis Fac

          Not going to happen Dave H. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology allows for them to make things up as they go and never having to defend themselves or what they say while allowing blame to be placed elswewhere.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • mathis1689

          He can’t because there aren’t any. Well pardon me I misspoke. If facts interfere with a liberals worldview then they must be a lie.

      • NickCzudy

        mark.. well said and it is the truth, This will make DaveH, Force Recon and the rest of the hate mongers here foam at the mouth.
        It is funny that DaveH wants you to waste time proving what is obvious, when he does not have to on any of his rants.
        Anyway, you are not alone on this vile and hateful web site.
        They should keep it up and they will never get elected again.
        Let them choose Ted Cruz as the GOP candidate in 2016.
        regards
        Nick Czudy

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear NickCzudy,

          You write: “Anyway, you are not alone on this vile and hateful web site.” What is it, specifically, that makes you think this is “a vile and hateful website?” If this is indeed “a vile and hateful website,” why is it that you visit it day after day?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • NickCzudy

            Hi Bob,

            I was originally invited here by your organization. This site! I am an independent. I saw that much of the comments was hateful and incorrect and I am a person, that does not want to foment hate from the disseminating of false information. So I am here to add my two cents, correct misinformation when I see it and add my thought and philosophy to the discussion. Many of your contributors have a closed mind to to anything that resembles reality. So are you closed for someone to challenge your statements? Especially if your statements are not factual but simply opinions?
            Are you welcoming only similar viewpoints that massage your own bias’s or do you seek other viewpoints?
            Am I not welcome, because I do not buy the things that are said here by you and your pundits?
            I will not get into your discussions to religion and passages from the bible as I am an atheist and have no interest or knowledge about those topics that you are discussing. If it is about government, and policy, then I do have things to say about that.
            respectfully yours.
            Nick Czudy

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Nick Czudy,

            I notice you did not answer my question: What is it, specifically, that makes you think this is “a vile and hateful website?”

            You write: “Many of your contributors have a closed mind to to anything that resembles reality.” Which contributors? How do you know this?

            You write: “So are you closed for someone to challenge your statements?” No. I welcome reasoned discussion and cogent arguments. You have been here long enough to know that.

            You write: “Are you welcoming only similar viewpoints that massage your own bias’s (sic) or do you seek other viewpoints?” See above.

            You write: “Am I not welcome, because I do not buy the things that are said here by you and your pundits?” Did my simple question give you that impression?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • NickCzudy

            Bob. L.
            to answer your question as to vile…. I will just need to scroll up and copy some of the comments.:

            1) “He is a JOKE!….and the rest of the world is LAUGHING at how many
            STUPID people are letting him get away with ILLEGAL and TREASONOUS
            actions.”

            Illegal and treasonous? Really, with his team of lawyers checking every decision to see if it falls under the constitution? Give one example.

            2) ” charges of TREASON! Oh, wait, I forgot….with NSA they got EVERYONE’S info ….and have threatened and Blackmailed Congress, Judges, and whomever else they need to, to shut up and let him destroy America…”

            Based on fact??? Really?

            3) “on the news the other night obozo was condemning congress for not using a scalpel on the budget.”

            I know Obozo is a Right wing term of endearment….It is one of many names that your followers like to use all of the time.

            4) “Barry is definitely nothing more than a cheap street con.”

            Sticks and stones….!

            5) “Barking Insane Ohamad.”

            Are these kids with their name calling?

            6) “Maturing” into the common-as-dirt, Black Muslim / Afro-Supremist, chip-on-his-shoulder, America hating, anti-free market, Communist control freak, DESTROYING tool of Satan.”

            Bob real intellectual opinion based on facts? haha

            7) “Mad con man; Barack Insane Obama.”
            This is what 80% of the comments are like.

            Bob I will deal with your other questions on another comment.

            regards
            NickCzudy

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear NickCzudy,

            Your original ad hominem, “a vile and hateful website” was directed toward my website and by extension, me. You are referencing comments by readers. I am not responsible for their comments, nor will I defend their positions. Feel free to ask them to defend their comments. That is the purpose of this comment section. I will, however, defend my positions. I encourage you to debate me on mine. However, be prepared to defend yours with facts, not conjecture or opinion.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • NickCzudy

            My comment was directed to this blog. That is what we are talking about. I cannot help that you took it personally.

            Since you are not the author of this blog. I cannot remember comments that you have made.
            I see that you neglected to comment on the list of replies that I categorized as being hateful and vile?
            Are you saying that is what you like to see happen?
            Or are you looking for factual and civil debate?

            You have been equally partisan liberal with what you think are facts. I will make a note in the future when you do make your comments.
            I will be most happy to go up against you to debate anything with facts.
            I have been challenging the comments by readers. That is why you have replied to me. I will carry on doing that, if you have no objections.
            So we will deal with facts in the future. Anytime Bob.
            warm regards
            Nick

          • Average_Joe56

            While it is nice that you have an opinion about every subject on PLD…it may help your cause, if you occasionally bring something other than just your opinion.
            Proof by bald assersion….is still opinion…and nothing more. We try to deal with facts…not conjecture…and you bring no facts to the table….just opinion.

        • Vis Fac

          Foam at the mouth? Hardly! Reading your feeble inane garbage makes me laugh at how self centered and whacked out liberal one dimensional idiot-ology is greedily eaten up by you indolent lethargic and apathetic liberals.

          The liberal indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools give yo a diploma and all of a sudden you are experts on everything and everything. The sad truth is you are nothing more than functionally illiterate adolescents dependent on government and lame stream media.

          You haven’t the tools or skills to function on your own necessitating a lifetime of entitlement welfare and food stamp dependency.

          The day will come when clown like you will have to fend for (and think) for yourselves. That is the day I will laugh as I have never laughed before. Me and mine will flourish you and yours will perish.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            Laugh at the misfortune of others? Not very Christian of you, Force.

          • Vis Fac

            Misfortune you say? Why is it that when someone fails to plan or do what is necessary to secure their own future amount to misfortune? Do we not live (for now) in a nation that affords the responsible individual an opportunity for success? Why is it that we now reward apathy and indolence with entitlements rather than provide the tools for those who wish to succeed?

            There is no such thing as misfortune when planning or providing for you or your family. No one gave a thing I EARNED what I have I made the decision to apply myself while others refused to do so. My “misfortune” was to loose all that I had in starting a business that misfortune as it turned out was a learning experience. My other misfortune is having my youngest son murdered by a career felon. That too was a learning experience foe I learned what liberalism was all about.

            You can make as many excuses for your failures as you wish but in the end they don’t make one bit of difference.

            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
            dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

            The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
            too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

            If you equate failure to be misfortune perhaps your direction has been misplaced.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            Misfortune is misfortune no matter how it’s arrived at; and laughing at another’s is inhumane. Good for you that you have the kind of character and fortitude to do what you have done. It is a fallacy to presume that everybody has the same intelligence and ability to achieve as you have. We are all different, thank God! Wouldn’t it be a terribly boring and dull life if we were all the same, like Stepford wives? Somebody has to do the menial tasks that abound. Not everyone is not capable of being a business owner. I’ve been a hustler my whole life and have done many different things because I did not want to follow the money path in the corporate world. I do not look down on those who work on an assembly line. They have more love of money than I do. I did it for 3 hours once and walked out. I would rather “apply myself” to doing those things that bring me joy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you can do those things and survive without riding on other people’s unwilling shoulders, then I say kudos to you.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Karolyn does not mean to carry her own load as that is not how manipulatives work.

          • Karolyn

            The all-knowing Nadzieja has spoken!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            There talks the manipulator with just the right sob story.

          • Karolyn

            Sob story? Reading comprehension problem?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Considering, that most of the misfortune humans create for themselves and then bitch and moan and manipulate to get others to carry the load and clean up after the wrecks they make of their lives. Force Recon has the right attitude.

          • KG

            If anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
            — Matthew 5:40-42
            Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
            — 1 Corinthians 10:24

          • Vis Fac

            KGB’s posts = STUPIDITY

            If someone truly needs my coat I will provide it and then some I will NOT give charity when not needed and especially for an extended period of time.

            The bulk of my benevolence goes to Our Veterans and their families. I have provided the DAV with several vehicles used to transport veterans to and from the VA medical center. I also endow the wounded Warrior Foundation.

            I support other organizations as well what have you done besides cheat your employer via a corrupt union?

            Libertas
            inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            I pay my taxes.

          • NickCzudy

            Recon,

            Can you tell me how I am depending on Government? You are so omnificent that you know about my history? See, this is the point that I have been making. You are entitled to rant what your opinion is, but that does not make it fact. I have not had a single penny of money from the government, so who do you think you are that you profess things that are not true. Are you GOD?

            Oh, I get it., you just say things that will demean others that do not think like you, and it is a way to show us that you hate everyone that does not think like you do.

            OK I get it. And I think that you were quoting bible passages earlier. You are a Christian? Is that how Christians act? What it tells me is that that is all verbal diarrhea. You talk christian, but you act like a ignorant bully. So therefore you are a hypocrite. Is my conclusion.
            Nick

        • LastGasp

          If this site is so “vile and hateful” why are you here? Oh, I forgot, you get paid to spread lies and interfere with other people’s conversations.

          • NickCzudy

            I wish that I could get paid to put some light into your heads. But I have said it earlier. I believe in my cause, and I like to respond to comments that are pure bull or hate and will challenge them. Comment intelligently and the only thing that you will hear from me is a congratulations.
            NIck

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Since you are supporting mark, Nick, and since mark won’t provide us with evidence about the error of Warrior’s statement, perhaps you will grace us with evidence that Warrior’s statements are wrong?
          And by the way, Nick, I welcome you to challenge anything that I say. I don’t speak unless I can back it up. Of course, no amount of evidence and logic can convince a Liberal Progressive to believe what he doesn’t want to believe.

          • NickCzudy

            daveH, I am willing to prove my points. I have not the time to find out what Warrior has said and reply to all of it.
            Quote one statement and I will reply to it, honestly and without bull. I am self employed and cannot sit here all day to fence with you. Pick one with your proof and I will reply to it. Thanks.
            regards
            Nick

        • Nadzieja Batki

          If this site is so abhorrent to you why are you here? Playing the poor little put upon manipulative martyr to garnish sympathy from your fellow Dems/Progs/Leftists.

          • NickCzudy

            Nadjieja. I am here to save your souls. You are unable to see the lies and the road to hell awaits you when you live, eat and breath all the crap on this site.

            I am immune and do not go into a trance when I hear it.
            warmest regards
            Nick Czudy.
            PS some one else wrote me that same question. This reply is for both of you. I really do hate when I hear or read pure bull sh1t being said anywhere. especially if it is hateful.

            I am a vigilante for the truth.

          • Average_Joe56

            Nick says:

            “I am a vigilante for the truth.”

            More like a poster boy for “natural stupidity”.

        • Average_Joe56

          “Anyway, you are not alone on this vile and hateful web site.”
          If you’re not happy here, you are free to leave.
          Or are you saying that you are attracted to “vile” things?
          (must be a liberal thing)
          Or, maybe you came here to “be” a “vile” thing?
          I say both.
          Parting gifts are not available at the door.

          • NickCzudy

            Joe56,

            I am here to correct the bull crap that you people spout, that has no resemblance to truth. If you are here to have a circle jerk to stroke each others sensibilities, then I am sorry to have to break it up with a little jolt of reality.

            Maybe Bob L. can state if this site is reserved for only you like minded Right Wingers, to stroke each others egos, or are you open to debate your thoughts and philosophies with other Americans. I hate to disillusion you, but not all Americans think that same way that you do.
            Nick

          • Average_Joe56

            “I am here to correct the bull crap that you people spout, ”
            Then, you may wish to consider bringing something other than just your opinion….In order for you to correct anything, you first need “verifiable” facts…… facts matter… your opinion….. doesn’t.

      • Frank Kahn

        Not haters, lovers. We love the constitution and the nation. We will defend it against all liberal crap heads like you, to the death.

      • Vis Fac

        Apparently you bought into the liberals one dimensional definition of the Tea Party

        We are patriotic Americans. We peacefully assemble. We petition our government. We exercise our right to free speech and we don’t understand why our government tried to stop us. We aren’t here as serfs or vassals. We’re not begging our lords for mercy. We are born free American citizens and we’re telling our government that you’ve forgotten your place. It’s not your responsibility to look out for our well being and monitor
        our speech. It’s not your right to assert an agenda. The post that you occupy exists to preserve American liberty. You’ve sworn to perform that duty and you have faltered. — Becky Gerritson of Wetumpka Tea Party

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • speedle24

        Okay Marky, we will be haters, haters of liars, haters of tyrants, haters of power hungry politicians, haters of those that would deny freedom, haters of haters of the Constitution, etc. etc.
        You Marky, will be the “denier” because you obviously deny everything in Warrior’s post. Of course if you don’t want to be labeled as the denier then perhaps you should point out exactly where Warrior has erred. Point out these “facts” that must be faced. Otherwise I will heretofore address you as “Denier”.

      • liz

        Now be nice guys, remember, the Republicans are the ones working to support all the Democrats on social handouts.
        I know, I know, go ahead and get mad at me.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You bring up a good point, liz. One aspect of life that few people can grasp is that of spoiling people. It just doesn’t seem intuitive that helping people out will yield negative results. As an example, when we over-indulge our kids they not only don’t appreciate what they’re given, but they will actually berate us when we stop the spoiling. This is true also for adults. By over-indulging them we have created a whole class of people who not only aren’t thankful for what they’ve been given, but will turn on us the instant we try to cut back on our generosity.
          We just need to practice tough-love and cut those whiners off — for their own good as well as ours.

  • Mole Johnson

    He’s not a con man … he’s a weasel!

    • Vis Fac

      No ODUMBO is Satan’s disciple!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

    He’s both a Con Man & a Mad Men as most Liberal/PC/POWER ELITE/PROGRESSIVE/RACIST/ONE WORLD GOVT. Psychopaths are!!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH
      • Vis Fac

        This article is reminiscent of what I learned in college. We all have a potential for being a psychopath but it is our morality that prevents us from crossing that threshold. ODUMBO as I have often said is AMORAL and the more charismatic the psychopath is the greater the following of those with weak minds and questionable ethics.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • THE PIGMAN

          But me thought he was a good ‘ol upright Christian man, no? After all he sat for over 20 years listening to the Wrong Rev. Wright spew his message of Love, no? After all, he defends the Holy Innocents of God in the womb, no? After all, after much soul searching he knows homosexuality is wrong, no?

          How he even got the nod over Hillary after Rev. Wright fiasco was exposed still boggles the mind!!

          • Sarah Burnett

            George Soros set it up, corrupt technology. Did it the second time too !

          • THE PIGMAN

            Nothing would surprise me, even the murder of the homo choir director, Larry Sinclair, who had homo sex & smoked crack with Obummer! Sinclair’s mother thinks so!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Because O’s handlers believe he is the man for all people and they covered all the bases, a woman for the women, a man for the men, a tail end for those who like backsides, a black for blacks, a white for whites, etc..

          • Horace DeBussy Jones

            Truth be told, he couldn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone but himself..During Benghazi he got on plane to go to Vegas fund raiser…UNCONSCIONABLE!!!

        • liz

          Jim Jones, David Koresh, Hitler come to mind as well.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, ALL TALKING IS NOT ABOUT SYRIA. OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY IN THE UNITED STATES. JUST LIKE HE DID WITH BANKING, AUTO-INDUSTRY, ENERGY, HEALTHCARE. WE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SCARY FROM OBAMA’S GAIN. WE DON’T TRUST HIM, WHITE HOUSE AND HIS ADMINISTRATION. OBAMA MUST LEAVE FROM THE OFFICE NOW. SO, SAFE AGAIN WITH A TECHNICAL GOVERNMENT. WE THE PEOPLE BELIEVE PATRIOTS, CONSERVATIVES, HONEST BUSH-CHENEY PROFESSIONAL TEAM, CAPABLE ECONOMIST AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE AMERICA. DON’T TELL US OBAMA DID THIS, OBAMA DID THAT. HE WROTE THIS BOOK, SHE WROTE ANOTHER ONE. IT’S TIME TO PUT THE DOT ON LETTER “i” NOW. AMEN!

    • Charlie

      Obama is way too late ,,, the airlines were taken over by the same “”Power”” that got Obama in office, this happened many years ago.. It’s called the fraudulent money system ,,, aka ,,, International Bankers ,,, aka “The Jews””… Why did PAA go broke ? ,, Why did Wien , in Alaska go broke?? Would you believe both of these Airlines were “Managed” or owned by “Germans”??? … Well ? who would have thunk ? The “”Jews”” are still picking on “The Germans””??? Got News for you “Jews” ,,, you ain’t gonna beat The “Germans” ,,, because ,, “they” are a big part of God’s Chosen People from The Tribe of “Judah” ,,, BUT ,,, The German’s are being “”Disciplined”” by God because many have rejected The Holy Bible … Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

      • LINDITA

        AS PEOPLE, NOW THE AIRLINES MANAGED FROM OBAMA’S TRIBE ROOT IN A GREEK. OBAMA WANTS TO BE A BIG BOSS IN THE UNITED STATES. WE THE PEOPLE ARE SCARY FROM THIS MONSTER APPETITE. PEOPLE ARE SCARY WHEN WE SEE OBAMA GROWING AND PEOPLE SHRINKING. NO, MORE OXYGEN FOR US.

        • KG

          CAPTAIN KIRK. SET PHAZERS FROM KILL TO STUNN.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, tell Capt’ Kirk to set the nav aids to “the black hole” of outer space and to beam you thru the black hole…. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ……………………………………..

        • Charlie

          Fear not King Jesus Christ is in “Control” as His Law Book tells all who seek Him… Acts 2:38 is salvation….

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, WE ARE IN A FEAR FROM TRIBE’S ROOT IN A GREEK DICTATORSHIP. SO, TO BE SAFE OBAMA MUST KICK HIMSELF FROM THE OFFICE NOW. AMEN!

          • Charlie

            Explain this Greek Dictatorship some ???

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, IT’S A MEAN TO EXPLAIN TO YOU?…

  • mark

    “Obama is a desperate man.” I hate to inform of this, Mr. Root, but Barak Obama is the president of the United States, the most powerful man on earth just coming off a big reelection victory that you totally miscalled. I think you’re getting a little desperate here yourself, clutching at straws while the Obama administration is moving on, implementing policy, and governing. Yeah we are in a tough economy but so is the entire world. This isn’t all incompetence on Obama’s part with the rest of the world flourishing in prosperity. The recovery from the disastrous financial collapse of 2008 when the U.S sent Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction all over the world in those fraudulent bundled mortgage packages has been slow and painful. And as for all the scandals you describe, none have them have even put a dent in the Obama administration and are far less serious than the scandals of the previous president. It seems to me that the opponents of Obama like yourself are the ones who are getting “desperate” – and increasingly ineffectual.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Well said Mark.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        A zealot defends his hero with pure conjecture, and you call that “well-said”?

        • Vis Fac

          To Doc anything in agreement with his thinking and more than two syllables he considers to be well said.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      Do you know who mandated those disastrous Mass Financial Destruction Packages?

      Bill Clinton’s drive to increase homeownership went way too far
      Posted by: Peter Coy on February 27, 2008
      President Clinton deserves the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It promoted paper-thin down payments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It’s clear now that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place.

      The National Homeownership Strategy began in 1994 when Clinton directed HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros to come up with a plan, and Cisneros convened what HUD called a “historic meeting” of private and public housing-industry organizations in August 1994. The group eventually produced a plan, that argues for creative measures to promote homeownership.

      The very worst idea in the plan, which fortunately never gained approval, was to let first-time homebuyers freely tap their IRA and 401(k) retirement-savings plans with no penalty to scrounge up a down payment. That, HUD estimated, would have “benefited” 600,000 families in the first five years.

      For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership.
      Mortgage rates rose at a rate faster than income homeowners defaulted and the rest of the economy fell like dominoes!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Dorothy Clark Parker

        Why can’t he be impeached immediately?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Because most of the Leaders are in on the scam, so it isn’t going to happen until people wake up and realize that Big Government isn’t the solution to our problems.

          • Charlie

            Organic ,,, tell us something that most don’t know !!! You mean to tell us you don’t have a solution ??? Well that’s normal for heathens… Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So Charlie attacks me because I don’t believe in his Adult Santa Clause? You are the kind of person, Charlie, who gives Religious people a bad name, and most of them don’t deserve it.

          • Deerinwater

            Oh Christ is much more than an a Adult Santa . ~ That you enjoy the benefits of this Christian belief along with all the down sides of it ~ without believing yourself ~ only means ~ no man can be an island unto himself.~ There are limits to your ability to buck the current ~ you are going our way ~ in spite of your efforts to resist.

            For the record, ~ I don’t accept most Christians notions of God , either ~ but this does not prevent me form accept much of Christ teaching as the apply to notions of righteous behavior and to constant aspire beyond the worldly life. For I do believe we are of “Spirit” first and foremost and greater then the sum of all of our parts.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Charlie,

            You write: “You mean to tell us you don’t have a solution ??? Well that’s normal for heathens.” What is the purpose of this gratuitous comment? It is not helpful.

            “Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.” Col. 4:5-6

            “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.” Gal. 5:14-15

            “If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another…” Gal. 5:25-26.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Karolyn

            Thank you Bob! I wish more people would heed those wise words.

          • Charlie

            Bob ,,, thanks for your Scriptures ,,, but ,,, have you accomplished Acts 2:38 or Galatians 3:27??? Check out Ezekiel 3:18 ,, that’s part of My job… Also check out Luke 19:27 spoken by King Jesus Christ … How many people on this site may be in that group that King Jesus calls out at Luke 19:27???
            Does God like whiningly people ?? Check out what happened to some of the whiners under Moses leadership…
            T ODH , comment was a typical whine remark , that says nothing that most don’t know ,,, AND ,,,offers NO solution that has ever worked in past history of America or World history ,,, AND ,,, then T ODH has the gross disrespect to pick up on Your comment and bad mouth God and Me…
            Notice , King Jesus Christ , declares “War” at Matthew 10:34,,, I am in that “War” as most people are ,,, but ,,, most are so ignorant and naïve of “”The War”” because they are grossly unaware that they are unaware… SO? should I point at The War Manual of King Jesus Christ???
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Put on your reading glasses, Charlie. I was bad-mouthing you, NOT Bob. Bob is a wise and good man who just happens to believe in something that I don’t.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Charlie,

            There is much more to salvation than Acts 2:38.
            Romans 10:14,17
            Hebrews 11:6; Mark 16:16; John 5:24
            II Cor. 7:10; Acts. 3:19
            Romans 10:9-10

            Have you “accomplished” these?

            My initial words to you were written in the proper spirit as a brother in Christ. I suggest you take them to heart.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • KG

            Actually, Bob, the only requirement for Salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. If someone had to do something, then none of us could be sure of salvation. However, Christ made it clear that there was absolutely nothing we could do to garner any kind of favor in the eyes of a Holy and Just G-d.

            Matthew 19:16-26
            King James Version (KJV)
            16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
            17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
            18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
            19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
            21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
            22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
            23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

            25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
            26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear KG,

            You write: “Actually, Bob, the only requirement for Salvation is faith in Jesus Christ.” Patently untrue.

            “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” Gal. 1:8-9

            Begone you atheistic viper, son of Satan.

            Bob

          • KG

            Thank you for the complement. It’s a confirmation that my work here is having an effect.

            I guess, according to you, Jesus was a liar. That’s OK. Most of the Religious Right are liars as well.

            Mazel Tov!

          • Charlie

            Bob ,,, All Scriptures have “”Rank”” for example , what King Jesus Christ says is TOP ranking words … Now for Peter and Paul ,,, Peter’s words , outrank Paul’s words… NOTICE , I did NOT say any “words” delete any other words … ALL Scriptures “”Harmonize”” with other Scriptures ON, subject matter… Notice , what King Jesus Christ said at John 3:5 ,,, it’s basic baptism for salvation backed up by John 3: 22… That’s 2 witness ,,,do We need more? … God gives a bunch more… Acts 2:38 is basic baptism for salvation spoken by Peter , then Peter tells you at 1 Peter 3:21, “baptism now save you”… Paul tells you at Galatians 3:27 , baptism is salvation … Do you need more Scripture Witness ? SO? who is right “Man” or King Jesus Christ ? The above Scriptures are for basic routine Salvation … The guy on The Cross WAS NOT routine ,,, it was a direct Blessing of Salvation…
            There is NO other Scripture IN A Single verse that gives Salvation and The Gift of The Holy Spirit ……….
            SO? IF? one has not gained “””Salvation”” per The Book , then One IS NOT a Christian per The Book…
            Simple huh? BUT,,, the false prophet preachers have made Salvation NOT per The Book… Whoever rejects Scriptures by King Jesus Christ and His “”Ranking”” Men are rejecting King Jesus Christ , OR , have been duped , deceived and deluded by the anti-Christ Satanic powers that be…………… Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Average_Joe56

            Charlie,
            The delivery of the message is just as important as the message itself (if not more so).
            Quite frankly, your delivery is less than stellar. When you attempt to “push” your views concerning theology on others, you do a disservice to both God and the Gospel.
            Your attitude is rather demeaning and you come off as being sacrosanct and above reproach. Shame on you!
            Pride…… is not a virtue.
            If you want to attract people to Christ, God and the Gospel, you may wish to consider changing your tactics and your heart.

          • Charlie

            Joe56 ,,, what you are into is the simple but complex Science of “Personality Clash” Psychology … How much education do you have in this “Science” ??? Notice , the Prophets of old days did NOT get along with many people, because they had some hard nose Truth info to deliver to some not so smart people… Well ,,, today there are only modern day “Prophets” , and their job is to point at Scriptures ,,, anyway they are “””Gifted””” with……………

          • Average_Joe56

            I certainly hope that you didn’t dislocate your shoulder…..while patting yourself on the back, Charlie.

            “Well ,,, today there are only modern day “Prophets” ,and their job is to point at Scriptures ,,, anyway they are “””Gifted”””

            Delusions of grandeur?. I’m not so sure about the gifted part…maybe you meant to say “special”? (as in short bus special, in your case). Seek professional help

            You aren’t scoring any points by being a condescending jerk….but, please continue…you have it down pat.

          • Charlie

            Joe56 ,,, I have no brag in anything ,,,EXCEPT ,,, what King Jesus Christ and His Father have done for Me and what “”They”” have Blessed Me with … Notice My Gifts are given to Me by Obedience to The King and His Men’s “Orders” ,,, Notice , Acts 2:38 is a Salvation “Order” spoke by Peter ,,, Acts 2:38 is the only Scripture in One Verse that gives “Salvation” plus The Gift of The Holy Spirit …
            I have been seeking “Professional” help ever since I found out what Matthew 6:33 means …
            Now , take your own advise and read Tim LaHaye ‘ book : ” Spirit – Controlled Temperament ” , ISBN 0-8423-6220-7 ,,, to learn quickly what “Personality Clash” is all about , the book also relates to The Bible…
            Meanwhile ,,, We will continue to print sarcastic “Truths” when We “Think” it’s being ask for … The Truth will set you free… See John 8:32 , spoken by King Jesus Christ…
            Is there a “Professional” greater than King Jesus Christ ??

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Charlie,

            There is no “ranking” of Scriptures. It’s all God-breathed. The “men” wrote at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, part of the Godhead. New Testament teaching on the steps to salvation must be taken as a whole. You have been “duped.”

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Charlie

            Bob ,,,. Well ,,, send Me a copy of your dictionary , Or , explain what the word “Rank” means … God has Rank ,, Men have Rank and so does “”Their”” words …. Some call “IT” Authority ………………… More later , after coffee………

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Charlie,

            I do not understand your argle-bargle. However, this is all you need to know.

            “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” II Timothy 3:16-17 (ESV)

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Charlie

            Bob ,,, Paul , wrote 2 Timothy 3:16-17 , under The Authority of King Jesus Christ , that “Rank” was given to Paul by The Highest ranking Man in The Bible… Paul was “Converted” by King Jesus Christ ,,, btw the word “King” denotes “Rank”,,, at Acts 9:3–18 , Paul was given The Authoritative Orders of conversion and Salvation , with force from King Jesus Christ ,,, btw the word Christ also denotes Rank ,,, read ALL of 2 Timothy and you may note it covers “”Brainwashing” see verse 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 …..
            One MUST understand Psalms 119:160 , which is the Bible “Equation” for “Truth … Since ALL Scriptures are for Our education , they must be “Harmonized” to arrive at subject matter Truth …………………
            Peter was delegated More rank by seniority AND what King Jesus Christ spoke at Matthew 16:19 … Paul was given other “Commissions” ,,,which is another rank word,,, but ,,, first is first , not second ,,, even numbers have “Rank” ….
            Your lack of understanding , does not change “Truth” one iota , which is another rank word…………………
            Notice what King Jesus Christ used to educate the Devil at Matthew 4:1–11 with, it was His Fathers Ranking Words ,, ” it is written”…………………………
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Vis Fac

            That and the fact that due to political correctness issues no one wants to be labeled a racist so impeachment is out of the question besides lame stream media has his back.

            I am the least political correct person I know and I have no reservations using the “N” word to describe ODUMBO the “N” word I refer to is NINCOMPOOP!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Dorothy Clark Parker

        We the people are sick of his B.S.!!!

      • Bill

        Hi Force,
        Can’t we just be blind Lemmings, ready to fall off a cliff, and pretend that it was all Bush’s fault. Remember, Ignorance is bliss

      • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

        Yes Clinton really accelerated this devastating fiasco, but let us not forget all this nonsense started under Crazy Carter’s CRA-Community Reinvestment Act. Let us not forget that OBlahBlah in his role as the Magnificent Community Organizer went into banks to try to shame them into giving out these bad mortgages. Let us not forget that it was under Clinton & with his approval that the Glass-Steagall Act finally fell & Wall St. banks got bigger & were able to bundle these mortgages up & run with the toxic football for years, thus it was Clinton who almost single handedly brought down the economy. Let us not forget that Bush 2 went before Congress & asked that they start to reign in Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac & Shumer & Frank laughed at him & said all is well. Let us not forget that that in Clinton’s speech at the Godless 2012 DEM Convention, he touted how much he did for the economy & how wrong the Repubs are in their fiscal views & philosophy. Let us not forget how the DEM butt kissing/lapdog media blamed the meltdown on the Repubs.

        The saddest & scariest thing in the whole sordid scenario is that Obummer’s partner in crime, Holder, is still seriously threatening to sue banks if they don’t give out these bad mortgages. (SEE BELOW). They are like the mafia at this point. They both should be in jail for this & Fast & Furious!

        http://nypost.com/2013/04/21/re-inflating-the-bubble/

    • WTS/JAY

      Barrack is the biggest joke on the planet, mark, and as the result, American people are viewed by the the rest of the world as utter fools for having elected him…! It will take some time after obama is gone before America recovers from the embarrassment of having elected America’s #1 enemy, not only once, as that can be forgiven, but twice!

      • Mamamia

        We Americans are considered by the rest of the world as “utter fools” alright. But it is not because of our President, it is because of our people.

        • KG

          Proverbs 29:18
          Where there is no vision, the people perish…

          • Vis Fac

            I think the vision you have is chemically induced and not the vision referred to in proverbs.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks, Force Recon, my reply to Cagey was along the same lines.

          • KG

            Is obvious that your vision is affected by the size of your self-importance.

        • NickCzudy

          Mama, I agree. If people think that Americans are fools it is from the partisan bickering and the gridlock. The world is amazed how some Americans are willing to sabotage the country for some misguided partisan politics.

          Until the US government acts like a unified body, the would will have no reason to respect us.
          regards
          Nick

      • Sarah Burnett

        Don’t be surprised if Obama does something to stay in office ’till he completely destroys us.He admited in 2004, he wasn’t a citizen, and said,” wanted to disarm this country and bring it to the ACTCEPTANCE of his European Brotherhood”. and nobody listened. Joe Biden would be better than Obama, at least he grew up, raised here, Obama wasn’t.He was Placed here!

        • Karolyn

          Care to site your source? Never heard that one. Of course Europeans are our brothers, as are all people.

        • NickCzudy

          Where did you get all that bull?
          So you live in another dimension?
          Nick

      • Cashu

        You sound as if you think the recovery of this country is a given, given an election of decent conservatives and enough time to recover. I seriously doubt that recovery is possible, much less a given regardless what happens at the ballot box. When the fed finally curtails QE, the dollar will implode. If the fed extends QE indefinitely, the dollar will explode. There is no other scenario and no other outcome than the ultimate death of the fiat dollar.

        The usurper is death on steroids to the sovereign future of the country, but thinking people must acknowledge that ALL the administrations since Wilson have been orchestrating America’s decline and ultimate demise by promoting and signing socialist legislation that has never been administrated cost effectively or efficiently. Not-One-Socialist-Program, including Social Security.

        Even Reagan, as much as I admire him for where his heart was, was subject to that slide to socialist hell, I think mostly because he was surrounded by elitist oligarchists such as the Bushies etal. There have been no free-market, greed-driven capitalist governments since the income tax was “legitimized” in 1913. Instead, we’ve been subjected to varying degrees of creeping socialism ever since, until now we can’t kick that can down the road any more. It’s time to pay the piper.

        So, though the usurper is hideous in his freedom-killing shadow agenda, it is not accurate to assign all responsibility for our current woes to him. And I really do suspect we’ve slid past the point of no return in America now. We can expect a dark future regardless if we “come to our senses” at this late stage or whether we drive merrily over the cliff, accelerator pressed to the floor.

        Americans have slept through the time of our flip from creditor to debtor economy, when actually standing up to the oligarchy was a practical option. Americans just didn’t give enough of a damn about it to wake up and get involved when they could have stopped and reversed this slide into the pit…

        Cashu

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      • Nadzieja Batki

        I believe the people that will never escape their countries of origin to become free in America mourn that the Americans that had something good and fine let it slip through their fingers to put odious people in power.

      • NickCzudy

        Jay, It was Bush and Romney that were viewed as jokes around the world. Remember the shoe throwing incident and the tabloids in the UK calling him, Mitt the Twitt?

        Obama has brought back respect for American which was lost during the war mongering days. Many countries around the world celebrated out in public when he won. he has won another coup with the success to get Syria to get rid of their weapons. He can use the big stick if needed without taking us into war again. No one wants that.
        Nick

        • S.C.Murf

          Yea nick that’ s why both these men are millionaires and you are a bottom feeder

          up the hill
          airborne

          • NickCzudy

            Smurf, only about 2% are millionaires. the rest of the 98% you are suggesting are bottom feeders? Let me guess. you are also part of that group?
            Sticks and stones…..
            Nick

    • StinkBomb Jones

      Isn’t it hard & mentally tiring to defend the indefensible? Just because Justice has not been done yet regarding these scandals does not mean this SOB & his corrupt cabal are innocent or their actions were OK. How you can say these scandals are “far less serious than those of the previous president” boggles the mind!!! While no big fan of Bush, he never perpetrated crimes against the Republic like this, He did not issue a litany of illegal ex. orders, or change provisions of laws illegally like Obummer has done in Obamacare. Bush used drones the right way:surgically & sparingly in clandestine areas acting upon precise intelligence, only 43 times in 8 years, Obummer has a KILL LIST & has used them over 500 in less than 5, he changed the definition of an enemy combatant unilaterally to be “any young adult male in a targeted area, whether there is evidence that are a terrorist or not”, so now they can use the drones in open areas like cafes & bazaars, etc..He signed off on the repulsive “Double Tap”, which uses a second drone attack shortly after the first, while the rescue workers are trying to save lives. His actions have killed many, many innocents, made these people hate us more & created more of them that want to kill us! These are WAR CRIMES, plain & simple!

      Be totally honest with yourself: If the same actions of this administration were done by a GOP prez, you & the DEM lapdogs in the media would be howling from the rooftops for his head on a platter & that he be impeached & then dragged to the Hague & the ICC for justice!

      Remember GOD SEES ALL & he will get his sooner or later!

    • Bill

      Mark,
      You must be a public sector worker, trying to protect your own butt

    • For My Liberty

      “Big election victory”?? He won by just over ONE percent! He is FAR from the most powerful man on earth–He is a JOKE!….and the rest of the world is LAUGHING at how many STUPID people are letting him get away with ILLEGAL and TREASONOUS actions.
      “The rest of the world is flourishing in prosperity”?? It is only “flourishing” in your DREAMS….Ever heard of Greece?? Portugal??? Italy?? Spain? Then how about all those civil wars? You know…Libya, Syria, Egypt, and most of the other middle eastern countries that Ovomit not only promoted, but sent arms to, to help our enemies.
      Oh, and I see you’ve got your good soldier Liberal talking points in of blaming Bush….NEWSFLASH–DEMS controlled BOTH the HOUSE and the Senate the LAST 2 years of Bush’s term…THEY (and OVOMIT included) were a very LARGE part of the financial collapse of 2008 that you mention.
      Damn….you amaze me in just how STUPID you are. KEEP drinking that Koolaid….I am totally astounded at just how ignorant the Ovomit voter truly is!
      INSTEAD of just mouthing the lies that you are instructed to, how about do some RESEARCH…..and set yourself free…*l*
      Such as Obama was ONE of the MAIN reasons for the Mortgage problem….AS a “Community Organizer” HE threatened to sue banks if they did not loan money to people that could NOT pay it back..
      His “Advisor” (puppet master) Valery Jarret was a damn SLUM LORD and took MILLIONS from the Gov for low income housing…The “Houses” were so bad, they had to be DESTROYED…SHE also has IMMEDIATE family in the Muslim Brotherhood….List goes on and on, but apparently you have your head so far up your ass that you can’t see the FACTS.

      Hows that Hope and Change working for you?? Obviously GREAT or you would not still be repeating the PROGRESSIVE/Socialistic mantra that you are spoon fed. What are you going to do when the feeding tubes are suddenly removed??? *lol* I can tell you….YOU will be digging in the TRASH looking for RATS to eat because the HEAD RAT is tearing our Country DOWN and you just stand there and not only do nothing to stop him, YOU Cheer him on!

      • Karolyn

        You might wan to reread the sentence. Mark did NOT say that the rest of the world is flourishing. Too hasty to blast off.

      • Robert Messmer

        You mis-read Mark’s comment. Read the whole thing, “Yeah we are in a tough economy but so is the entire world. This isn’t all incompetence on Obama’s part with the rest of the world flourishing in prosperity.” He says that the entire world is in a tough economy so our problem isn’t all due to Obama’s incompetence. Since it isn’t ALL due to Obama’s incompetence, Mark is admitting that at least some of our economic problems are Obama’s fault.

    • speedle24

      Mark, what was the nexus of those fraudulent bundled mortgage packages? It seems it is time for another history lesson.

    • NickCzudy

      Mark, finally a man of wisdom on this crazy site.
      Nick

  • dan

    don’t know if StanleyAnn was his mama , but the Devil is his daddy…
    i’m going with a con-man that’s gone mad with power …like Nero

  • Jeff

    Wayne, you’re baying at the Moon again. Almost as many people believe your nonsense as voted for you. Your followers on this site are among the truly deluded.

    • For My Liberty

      Troll huh? Guess in your rush to criticize the author, you neglected to pay attention to the FACTS in this piece! Keep your head in the sand and stay in your delusional world. When the [expletive deleted] hits the fan, you will be one of the first to starve to death and America will be less one more intellectually bankrupt sheep….Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…..

      • Karolyn

        Same old, same old……. over and over and over and over and over. Don’t you people get tired of using the same lines over and over?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          If the site is only offering the same old, same old then who is the fool who has a choice but chooses to read the article and then bitches.

          • NickCzudy

            Nadzjueja, What do you expect us to do when we hear this bull? Kiss your a$$ and say, Amen brother!?

          • Average_Joe56

            Yes, actually…Please disinfect you lips …before kissing it
            (we wouldn’t want Nadzieja to catch anything from you).
            You nasty little Troll…….

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Typical ad hominem attack from the Liberal Progressive Jeff.

  • For My Liberty

    So SOMEONE with some POWER grow some BALLS and put the POS up on charges of TREASON! Oh, wait, I forgot….with NSA they got EVERYONE’S info ….and have threatened and Blackmailed Congress, Judges, and whomever else they need to, to shut up and let him destroy America…

    • NickCzudy

      Liverty, what a pile of crap. Where do you guys get all of this tripe?
      Nick

  • NickCzudy

    Hello Wayne Allen. as usual you made me laugh.
    80% of what you said, were just simply blatant lies.
    The only thing that you said that was true, is that Americans are making less money and that full time jobs are a majority. This slide in earnings of the middle class started long before Obama came into office. What you blame Obama for is due to the stupid agenda that has been the GOP mantra. If the GOP had their way, they would have even lowered taxes even more for the top 1% when they are making record profits.

    Any attempts to stimulate the economy have been blocked by the Republicans that are the main architects of more money for the top 2% and less money for the poor. Their biggest suggestion to cut costs, has been to take away more of the social programs that keep the majority of Americans afloat.
    Instead of contributing to some positive steps to help Americans,
    the Right Wing and GOP are concentrating on things that they can do to make Obama and America fail. People are not blind to this tactic. I know that you think that “Make Obama look bad” is better than making policies that help America. Most Americans can see past this and you will lose big time in the next few elections.
    Your constant rant about scandals has proven nothing, even with the one sided witch hunts of Rep Daryl Issa.
    IRA was started and perpetrated by a Republican manager in Ohio. End of story. No Obama. This was an outright lie from you. No evidence has been proven and it is dead. It was also shown that they also investigated Progressive groups. It is just that after Citizens United, the majority of groups and pacs that were formed were mostly Conservative. Dahhh. That is why there are more Conservative groups being investigated. There are also more political groups trying to get tax exemption as a non-profit, non political entity.
    It is addressing the obvious desire of the GOP to cheat the system and let big money to influence politics.
    Benghazi! What can I say. Rep Issa also fell flat on his one sided witch hunt also failed on that issue. There was no fault due to inaction, from the State department there. You do not care that 4 Americans were killed. You did not seem to be outraged when 22 Americans have been killed in the last decade due to attacks on American embassies. You are obsessed with one factor on Benghazi and that is “Talking Points”!. You think that this will be the golden egg to put some blame onto the Obama Admin. Sorry folks. Nothing wrong has been turned up. Again, you are beating a dead horse in your mad desperation to try and blame Obama with something.
    The reason that the Main Street Media is not reporting on this issue, is that they see it exactly for what it is and are not stupid enough to pay any attention to what is a desperate attempt at a GOP smear campaign.
    What an super party the GOP would be if they put as much energy into governing as they do in their witch hunts.
    Now if I wrote a blog in the same vein as your rant, and not requiring to say anything true., then it might look as follows.
    John Beigner and the GOP congress hate America and the 99%. They want to turn America into a Plutocracy and only their party members and the rich, would be able to vote, insuring their perpetual control over all Americans.
    They will cut social programs to increase the death rates among the poor and incarcerate the rest, to keep them from procreating and every reaching a majority. This will ensure that there will never be any mobility among normal Americans. Wayne Allen Root, does not want the IRS to have any sexual information as it will come into the open his preference for 4 legged mammal members. They are of the same mental level with Wayne and he can feel dominant over them. Anyone else has a higher IQ and makes Wayne feel inferior. Since his dismal showing at predicting the outcome of the election, he has felt an inferiority complex and has been hesitant to speak his mind.
    Sen. Cruz hates America and the middle class and wants Texas to succeed from the USA and he does not want the millions of Texans to get health care as it will eventually be the majority and he knows that they will turn into a democratic state, even with the blatant gerrymandering that ensures that he gets re-elected. He wants all of the African Americans to be incarcerated and the birth rate of Latins and African Americans to decrease, so that they can remain in power. Besides, he is enjoying the more than one million dollars that he has received from the Health Industry to block Obamacare and therefore lowering the massive profits that they have been making over the years. They want to maintain their death panels made up of Health Industry executives that make bonus’s when they refuse treatment to sick Americans, because their sicknesses, will reduce their profits. Besides then like paying themselves bonuses when they make record profits over the dead bodies of the sick people that have paid into their insurance plans for their lives. When the death panels that they run exclusively have normal Americans on them, they know that most of them will agree to give medical care to the sick people that deserve it.
    All of the GOP in both houses do not want give the 11 million undocumented, citizenship, because it will go against their master plan to subject Americans to their power and control over the lives of the lower and middle class. If they can keep the non-white races from ever gaining a majority.
    Another plan of Paul Ryan and the GOP is to keep reducing money for education for the masses to keep them uneducated, This will maintain only the elite and wealthy that will be able to get an education. This will lower the USA below the current 28th place in the world and keep the citizens stupid, so that they can brain wash them with lies to keep them under their thumb.
    the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. They will build more jails and when the desperate start to revolt, they will incarcerate all of them and keep their power.
    All of the above rant, is equal to Wayne’s. I do not profess to have any evidence on these statements. So I do not profess it to be true. Or is it? haha. Here they can lie and mislead you all then want. they get bolstered because there are many here who will buy this crap, hook, line and sinker.
    It is a sad state of affairs.
    Now I have to see if the slow progress with the economy will be tanked by your cohorts in government because they will not be affected. They did not put their paychecks under the sequester cuts. When they also were delayed because of the cuts at the airports, they allowed that one to go through without cuts. they do not mind remaining above these harsh policies, but they do not care if the millions of middle and lower class Americans are hurt. Millions of Americans will be affected in a negative manner and the USA’s credit rating will be lowered and more jobs lost, all for some misguided attempt to stay true to your perverted philosophies.
    You are all a bunch of sick puppies.
    respectfully yours,

    Nick Czudy

    • Frank Kahn

      So, at least, you admit you don’t have proof. But, you obviously don’t see facts when presented either.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        NickCzudy is offering up a desperation rant because his O is not loved by all.

        • NickCzudy

          Nadzieja, You do not have to love Obama but the unjustified hate is not called for at all. The GOP just have not had or have for the next election, anyone that is fit to lead this country. Obama is doing just fine. You can hate, him, but do not make up lies to demonize him. Use truth.

          I hate hearing the same old tired bull that comes from Wayne Allen and professors like Force Recon.

          Frank Kahn, show me a fact and I am man enough to admit when you have something that is true. I mean really true, Not accepted hyperbole from under the Right wing Bubble.

      • NickCzudy

        Frank. what I did was what happens here all the time. I made up a bunch of hooey that was not based on facts. John Kerry said it very well yesterday. He said that all of you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
        What happens here too often, is someone is expressing their opinion, and trying to pass it on as being a fact.

        I will give one example: Quote: Obama hates the USA and is trying to destroy American.

        This is a RIght Wing sentiment but it is not true and not factual. So when you say something like that, a normal rational person that is not affected by partisan fervor will discount it as a rant that has no merit.
        So we are all entitled to express our opinion. but please do not try and show it as being a fact, if it is not.
        That is my only point. That is why I feel moved to add my comments here. I am trying to have a factual debate on issues not a pissing match on each others opinions.
        regards
        Nick

        • Frank Kahn

          I might buy that, if you were not guilty of pushing your own opinions here.

          You make statements (opinions) that are worded as fact. If you want to claim the higher ground, you must avoid ridiculous statements like, government needs to be involved in education and health care. You might want to provide some facts to your claim that greed has caused the problem with out of control rise in cost of college. You might, attempt, to show how government interference in health care has, or will, make it better.

          Also, if you are so righteous about posting against rants, you might take some time to discredit those insane rants about how Obama has saved the economy. How his administration has done a great job in foreign relations. How Obamacare will give us AFFORDABLE health care. How unions are the best way to insure fair and equal compensation for work. All of those items are a matter of OPINION, so if you don’t like people making statements, which are opinion, that sound like facts, you should respond to their rants in the same way.

          Your posts show a definite support of big government control. You advocate for government involvement in things that it has no right to, and in most cases already is involved in. Without saying it, you have endorsed government interference in economic markets. While you might have the opinion that this is good, you have failed to provide any proof (facts) that support this idea.

          While it is possible to twist facts, and statistics, to show any desired idea, it is necessary to view historical data to determine the efficacy of different policies. Most, historical, data appears to support the idea that big government control of economic forces is bad. That it not only does not improve the market, but helps to destroy it. If you have some, historical, data that is contrary to this assessment, please do enlighten us.

    • Vis Fac

      The sad truth is Nick you say that Wayne makes you laugh only to keep from crying because you cannot recognize or comprehend the truth when it is presented orally and spelled out for you in black and white.

      You are a product of liberal one dimensional idiot-ology propagated by their indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools. You haven’t been taught how to read or write let alone any comprehension skills. You have been remanded to the dungeon of the misinformed and haven’t the pleasure of learning about America The Declaration of Independence and Our Constitution.

      Instead you have been force fed liberal propaganda designed to produce functionally literate keeping yo dependent on government. As a result you greedily ingest any and all that government tells you either directly or via lame stream media.

      To that end you are so lost and believe the lies that are told to you as well as how to react (laugh nothing sells a lie better than a laugh) when truth is imparted.

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels 10/29/1897 – 5/1/1945 Minister of Propaganda Nazi Germany

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • speedle24

      I would like to know what actual “attempts to stimulate the economy” by Obama were blocked by the GOP. Of course I am not talking about money printing (which has generated only wall street wealth). Tell us please Mr. Czudy what Obama has done to “stimulate job growth”.

      • KG

        The so-called ‘Shovel ready’ projects were slated to go until Boner and Co. realized that most of there projects were going to be done Union. So, rather than let the omnibus bill pass, they haggled it and ‘jewed’ down these projects to another bill that they could issue them to their non-union buddies. Thats a fact.

        • Moustache The First

          HAHAHA!!! Where did you pull that whopper up from? Care to list a source?

        • speedle24

          karl, seriously, are you completely deluded? Where do you come up with these preposterous claims? Obama pissed off most of the funds on goofy energy projects and political payoffs. He also gifted the UAW with GM ownership while screwing all the citizens who had invested their own money in GM stock. Obama is nothing but a scumbag shill for organized labor. What a class act he is.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So much verbiage and nothing of value that is said.

      • NickCzudy

        Nadzieja, you like to swoop in and snipe without adding anything to the conversation.
        xoxo
        Nick

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      So much ignorance in one long diatribe.
      Nick says — “If the GOP had their way, they would have even lowered taxes even more for the top 1% when they are making record profits”.
      The GOP has many faults, but lower taxes is not one of them. However, lowering taxes is not enough. They need also to work harder to cut Spending.
      Government consumes Wealth. The Private Sector creates Wealth. So every dollar the Government takes from the Private Sector is a dollar that no longer will be devoted to wealth creation. That means less productivity which means fewer goods and services which means more people do without. That is why Socialism always fails when it can’t ride on the coat-tails of Capitalists.
      And you need to get out of the Democrat/Republican paradigm, Nick. Both parties have been overrun by Progressives and both parties are complicit in the destruction of our country. We simply can not thrive with 40% of our GDP being devoted to Government consumption.

      Nick says — “Any attempts to stimulate the economy have been blocked by the Republicans”.
      Government can not “stimulate” an economy. They can only get out of the way of the Private Entrepreneurs who grow the wealth. I guess I should stop here and explain wealth for people like Nick who think wealth is paper money. Wealth is increased by enhancing objects. When you take raw materials out of the earth and make them into something better, that is increasing wealth. Paper money is meaningless if you can’t buy goods or services with it. You can create all the paper money in the world and it will not increase wealth.
      When Government “stimulates” an economy, they can do it three main ways:
      1) Create more fiat money, and spend it or give it to their favorites. With that course of action, unproductive people are being rewarded for their non-productivity. They get to buy scarce goods and services which drives up the prices for the remaining goods and services. So everybody else must pay more of their hard-earned money to buy what’s left (if anything).
      2) Take money from the taxpayers (the Producers), and spend it or give it to their favorites. With that course of action, the taxpayers suffer directly, and again the unproductive people are being rewarded for their non-productivity.
      3) Lessen regulations so that the Real Producers can get their jobs done without the useless burden of Government regulations. Of course, this is the only one of the three that actually produces desirable results, and it is also the rarest approach by Big Government Leaders who are loath to give up any of their Power.

      • NickCzudy

        DaveH.- Thanks for your comments. Saying the GOP are not for lowering taxes for the top 1% is a total lie. That was Mitt Romneys main economic policy. He believed that lowering the taxes even more for the 1% would give them more money to start businesses and hire more people.
        Wrong. that has proven to not work. they invest their money oveseas, buy factories in China, or spend some of it, which stimulates the economy a little bit. Bush cut taxes even when he started the two wars.
        The whole thing of government being evil is pure crap.
        Democrats start and operate more business than due conservatives. So I wish you would get off of the crap about being addicted to government handouts. the only money I have gotten in my whole life is tax refunds when I have over paid. I have had a business since I finished college.
        Government is like a flywheel. It keeps the economy going by spreading the money where it is needed. It can build bridges when they are falling down. (Jobs) it can help those that lost jobs until they find another one. It can look after the sick and injured when they have no finances. They can arm a miliatary complex larger than anyone else on this planet and protect your ass. They can help when natural disasters occur like Katrina and Sandy.. You know the many things that they do. Yes it takes money, They do employ a lot of people. It can be improved. The areas that government should be involved in are: Healthcare, Education and jails. All of these has been in the private sectors hands and they have been abused and run for obscene profits. That is why the hospitals and colleges are out of reach for the average person.

        If you did not have the government, our society would not exist.
        Obama has reduced the size of government the most since the last 6 administrations. I know the Right loves to droll on and on about Obama = big government. It is actually the opposite, The GOP = big government and large deficits. Obama is getting close to balancing the budget in another year or two. He has reduced it by 59% since in office. He is not taking the government cuts on the backs of the poor, as Congress did today with the passing of a new bill that restricts food stamps for those that do not submit to a bunch of new rules.

        time for bed. I will write more tomorrow.
        good night
        Nick Czudy

    • Robert Messmer

      Sorry but I could not find anywhere that Mr. Root said and I quote you, ” full time jobs are a majority”. Which is funny since you said that was the only true thing he said. If Obama/Democrats truly thought that the “stupid agenda” was responsible why did they not only not stop that agenda but actually extended it?

      Perhaps there has not been the outrage about the other 22 killed in the last decade because in those cases neither the President nor SofS bothered apologizing to the killers. There was no effort put forth to lie to America claiming it was a “peaceful protest that got out of hand”. If you truly see nothing wrong with our government apologizing to murderers and lying to America, then you are seriously ill.

      In re MSM not reporting on this. Do you recall the “Watergate Scandal”? Do you remember all of the reporting? Good and do you remember why it was being reported? “Deep Throat”! Get your mind out of the gutter, I am not talking about “THAT” movie. I am talking about the snitch that laid out the story for the reporters. Had it not been for the informer, there would have been no story.

      Your attempt at writing shows that you should not quit your job because you do not have want it takes to be a writer. Its not “11 million undocumented’ its 11 million illegal criminals.

      The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, its been that way since money/wealth first started being tallied and will be that way until we evolve beyond money.

      You say, “Now I have to see if the slow progress with the economy will be tanked by your cohorts in government because they will not be affected. They did not put their paychecks under the sequester cuts. When they also were delayed because of the cuts at the airports, they allowed that one to go through without cuts. they do not mind remaining above these harsh policies, but they do not care if the millions of middle and lower class Americans are hurt. Millions of Americans will be affected in a negative manner and the USA’s credit rating will be lowered and more jobs lost, all for some misguided attempt to stay true to your perverted philosophies.” Sure hate to do this but guess what, this applies to the Democrats as well.

      Hoping they find a cure for you soon,

      Robert Messmer

    • Barakolips

      Any attempts to stimulate the economy has been blocked by Obama! Why would he try to help something he is trying to destroy? And do yourself a favor,after you pull your head out of Obamas arse, do some research and check the numbers . Your moronic rambling posts are getting old already!

  • rwm44

    on the news the other night obozo was condemming congress for not using a scalpel on the budget when this was one of his campaign promises (going thru line by line to get rid of any unnecessary spending)

  • Carlos

    Barry is definitely nothing more than a cheap street con. What has this man accomplished in five years?. He has loaded up the Government with dissidents, Muslim fanatics and usurped the law so many times it’s hard to count.
    Why was he reelected? Thank the Republican Hierarchy for nominating a man that didn’t have the fire to be President.and a growing population of Liberal Government robots., uncaring minorities looking for something free and color being their main concern.
    The only way out is to stop Amnesty, install voter id and remove the majority of illegal aliens. It can be done.

    Impeach Barry now.

    • KG

      On the occasion of conferring a diploma of citizenship the new citizen must take a solemn oath of loyalty to the national community and the State. This diploma must be a bond which unites together all the various classes and sections of the nation. It shall be a greater honour to be a citizen of this Reich, even as a street-sweeper, than to be the King of a foreign State.
      Adolph Hitler
      -Mein Kampf

      • Vis Fac

        I see you like to quote Adolph Hitler What is good fro the goose is also good for the gander.

        “I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already. What you are, you will pass on. Your descendents, however, now
        stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.'” – Adolf Hitler November 06, 1933 The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

        “This new Reich will give its youth to no one, but will itself take youth and give youth its own education and its own
        upbringing.” Adolf Hitler May 01, 1937 The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

        “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” – Adolf Hitler

        “By means of shrewd lies unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell – and hell
        heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed.” Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels 10/29/1897 – 5/1/1945 Minister of Propaganda Nazi Germany

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • KG

          I see being a conservative you have learned your right-wing catechism well. Don’t forget the old testament as well:

          Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
          — 1 Samuel 15:3

          For the LORD your God will bless you [Israel] as he has promised … You will rule over many nations, but none will rule over you.
          — Deuteronomy 15:6

          When the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers to give you — a land with large, flourishing cities that you did not build, houses filled with all kinds of good things that you did not provide, wells that you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves that you did not plant — then when you eat and are satisfied, be careful that you do not forget the LORD…
          — Deuteronomy 6:10-12

          The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it.”
          — Exodus 12:43

          Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us — he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!
          — Psalm 137:8-9

          The LORD commands: “kill without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children”
          — Ezekiel 9:5-6

          • TEA PARTY & CRUMPETS

            You misspeak, Hitler & the Nazis were not really Right wingers, but Liberals., they were lefty progressives… National “Socialist” Party!

          • KG

            The Nazi were ‘socialists’ like Stalin was a ‘humanitarian’. The sad part is that YOU know that.

          • TEA PARTY & CRUMPETS

            Hey, OBOZO bootlicker, maybe the great Ralph Peters will set you straight!

            http://nypost.com/2008/08/05/thought-police/

          • macgyver1948

            TEA PARTY & CRUMPETS … It is amazing how a Tea Party supporter may not know the real agendas of those at their helm, those who started Tea and have
            financed its creation and support ever since. Do you know Tea evolved from an older cult who was big on bigotry, only supporting the very wealthy and the big corporations and heavily fought against Civil
            Rights in the 1960? Wait, that last part goes to the bigotry that cult was about and passed on to their new Tea inheritors so I was unnecessarily redundant. Sorry about that. :-)

            I see you have no problem following suit from your side in name calling. I have known many Liberals in my time and none would be licking Obama’s boots, as you suggest, or call him king or of God or the new Jesus. Yep, I have read and heard Obama haters refer to him
            in those ways but it is not the Liberals who bring that stuff up but for some reason your guys do. Do you believe Obama is those things since we on the Left do not and do not bring it up?

            Do you really think Ralph Peters one of your side’s propagandists could set anyone on the Left
            “Straight”?

            I do not feel Peters should be tried for war crimes for his columns in The Post supporting our military as the reporter suggested. I man not like what Peters says but Free Speech gives him the right to say pretty much anything. I love the Constitution and with all its
            Amendments. Free Speech must be protected so “we The People” can be no matter what is said or expressed. So why does Peters, and maybe you since you offer this Peter’s article as a straightening out tool, not like it when university students exercise their Free Speech rights? Kind of one sided there when it comes to who gets to be protected by the Constitution if
            what is said doesn’t agree with your believing and thinking.

            It’s really not “Hardcore leftists never welcome
            a freewheeling debate – they’d rather force their
            beliefs on the rest of us”, as Peters wrote in the article you suggest, is it?, but instead you on the Right who claim it that way. It seems that is more the activity of choice for you guys. I always welcome debate with the other side if it is allowed for all to be heard and without name calling and insults from the immature.

            Thanks for the Peter’s article. As always with a Right-sided article I go in with an open mind but I almost always come out shaking my head. Here is what I say. Many of you on the Right just can’t stand being
            disagreed with and that goes for your politics and religion. :-)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Only a lying Shill, or a brain-dead Progressive Follower would think they weren’t:
            http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=507
            http://mises.org/daily/1937
            http://mises.org/daily/3274
            “one intervention led to another, until the entire economy was brought under government control”.

          • liz

            Gee, that is beginning to sound familiar.

          • Vis Fac

            Humanitarianism depends on what dogma you follow. No need to explore your dogma’s origins as you have made this clear on several occasions. You remind me of a three year old who is always contradicting his parents who tell him one thing and for spite he says the opposite. However you don’t do this out of spite you do it because you are a stupid SOCIALIST.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • macgyver1948

            Yep, I know they were both Socialists but on the extreme opposite sides of their political aisles, one being far Right and the other being far Left. Hitler thought he was always Right too in his evil ways.

          • LINDITA

            THE NAZI WERE FASCISTS GIPSY GREEK HIDING BEHIND EDUCATED GERMAN PEOPLE. STALIN HAS BEEN GIPSY, TOO. THIS RACE CAN TRICK OTHER RACES BUT, GIPSY CAN TRICK EACH-OTHER, TOO. ESPECIALLY FOR A MONEY AND A POWER.

          • macgyver1948

            IF you say and belief Hitler and the Nazis were not Right wing then you do not know history. The Commies were extreme Left and Fascist/Nazis were extreme Right. Pick up a history book for the times and learn. Denial is a useful tool for those who do not want you to know the truth. Another reason many on the Right do not want real history know and learned.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, better research Adolph Hitler a little ,,, I ‘ve heard he was part “”Jew””…………………………………

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, HITLER & THE NAZIS HAVE BEEN GIPSY ROOT IN A TRIBE GREEK HIDING BEHIND EDUCATED GERMAN PEOPLE. NOW, THEY ARE HIDING BEHIND REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. LA,LA,LA….

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You can’t fight with God so you go out of the way to hurt his people. How very brave of you, Cagey.
            Why don’t you ask God why he wanted those nations around Israel destroyed, what disgusting sexual disease did they have, what the heck kind of sex were they having with animals and children that even the infants were deformed and diseased and animal/human hybrids, what viruses crossed the animal to human barrier?

          • paendragon

            Your precious National SOCIALISTS were all left-wing totalitaryan confrormist gangsters. The right stands for individual rights, the left always only for idolatrous group might made rights – for only their own predeterminism alibi excuses for their progressive right to remain irresponsibly wrong. You are as your mentor Mr. Hitler was, only a pair of jumped-up little criminals.

          • Vis Fac

            Did you just escape from the asylum? Your blathering hydrophobic foaming at the mouth soliloquy imparted absolutely nothing, and if you were trying to impress me with your inane prattle you failed miserably. I regard you as nothing more than an insect to be ignored or stepped on. I won’t step on you because I don’t want to ruin my shoes.

            I am somewhat tolerant of you because it is the decent thing to do because of your handicap of being a cerebrally necrotic liberal which; is not at all like
            liberal tolerance that DEMANDS that we do things the one dimensional liberal way.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • macgyver1948

            ויאמר יהוה אל משה ואהרן, “אלו הם התקנות לפסח:. לא זר היא לאכול ממנו”

            זר is the Hebrew word for stranger, and the 11th word from right to left in your quote) and in this context it means “those who are not familiar with and who would not appreciate the exodus from Egypt before it is explained and understood. The passover sader is a religious ceremony and it is between God and the family but I have had gentile (gentile/goy means those who are not Jewish and is in no way a put down) friends over during Passover.

            Wow how you use the Hebrew bible for misinterpretation. What is your agenda? You remind me of holier than thou Christians who tell us “you Jews are going to hell because you do not accept Jesus”. They do not understand the Hebrew Bible for them to judge and condemn us and you are taking Hebrew Scripture both out of context and in a literal way which will leave you too ignorant of what you are reading. You too do not understand the substance and the meanings behind the scripture. This is just one example from your comment.

            Exodus Chapter 12 שְׁמוֹת41 through 44

            41 And it came to pass at the end of four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the host of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

            42 It was a night of watching unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt; this same night is a night of watching unto the LORD for all the children of Israel throughout their generations.

            43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron: ‘This is the ordinance of the passover: there shall no alien eat thereof;

            44 but every man’s servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.

            There is to much to go into here but maybe Torah, still very much alive, is beyond what you really want to understand just like it is for the “holier than thou Christians who tell us “you Jews are going to hell because you do not accept Jesus”. What is your agenda?

          • KG

            Shalom!

            You have made my point abundantly clear, Rabbi. I was merely pointing out what most so-called ‘christians’ do with their Bible. Remember, In America, at one time, Slavery was justified according to the Bible. That’s where the ‘Southern” came from in Southern Baptist. And they justify their ‘superior’ status through race rather than Reason. Which is odd since the entire Torah doesn’t mention Race – only tribes and Nations.

            I still do not understand why Christians do not celebrate Jewish Holidays?

            Mazel Tov and Yasher koach, my Brother.

          • KG

            Shalom!

            You have made my point abundantly clear, Rabbi. I was merely pointing out what most so-called ‘christians’ do with their Bible. Remember, In America, at one time, Slavery was justified according to the Bible. That’s where the ‘Southern” came from in Southern Baptist. And they justify their ‘superior’ status through race rather than Reason. Which is odd since the entire Torah doesn’t mention Race – only tribes and Nations.

            I still do not understand why Christians do not celebrate Jewish Holidays?

            Mazel Tov and Yasher koach, my Brother.

          • macgyver1948

            KG… Please
            read all if you have time for but remember you do not have to believe
            what I write, I do not need anyone to. I wasn’t sure what your
            point was from your short comments. I just wanted to know your
            points
            and not take anything for granted considering only what I wanted
            you to mean. Oh, I am not a rabbi, I just went to yeshiva for the
            first 3 years of school as a child and left because of
            financial concerns. Then went to Hebrew school after public
            school each day
            until a couple of years after my Bar Mitzvah. I
            have been studying Torah and the rest of our bible on my own
            ever since and I am not the best teacher in that but I ask
            questions when I need to and I try. I ask Rabbis and Hebrew
            scholars what my bible means, not those of other religions. I
            would and have asked Catholic priest and Protestant Ministers
            for certain meanings from their respective bibles to understand
            their meanings for them. The Koran is a bit different in that
            but not a lot. I read portions of it but I also read that to
            really understand the Koran we need to read it in the original
            Arabic and I am lost there. Many Muslims who do not know Arabic,
            and there are so many, tend to rely on the interpretations of
            those who do and that includes the extremists and
            terrorists.

            KG, back to your comments and I will
            try to respond to your questions. You say “I still do not
            understand why Christians do not celebrate Jewish Holidays?”.
            It is really simple to understand why and to also understand the
            many contradictions between the two bibles if you read ancient Roman
            and world history. I wondered too why the differences because it
            was a Rabbi who is prayed to by Christians and the Gospels of
            Paul Christians have centered their beliefs around and not the real
            teaching and strong beliefs of that rabbi when he was alive. But
            if we study the history and accept that is the possible real
            deal we may understand even if we do not believe it.

            It was,
            according to history, something again many do not want remembered,
            The Romans, basically the life and times of the Roman Emperor
            Constantine, as well as some future emperors, who created the first
            sanctioned Christian religion and Bible, the Catholic Church and
            their bible, the bible all future Christian bibles are based
            on.

            Basically, without going into a lot of history,
            what the Hebrew Bible and past history from then says, the new
            religion could not function or make sense if they included real
            Hebrew Scripture/meanings and Hebrew
            tradition so they left out so
            much of what is there in the Hebrew Bible. To help fortify it
            they have the Gospels of Paul which eliminated the foundations
            of Judaism, basically Judaism itself. To accept anything of
            Paul’s Scriptures to Jews (it) would mean saying “NO” to God
            and that we cannot do. To further illustrate, Paul
            eliminated
            Torah, except for the smaller parts such as the 10 Commandants
            (but even that was edited by some), he eliminated the covenant God
            made with Abraham and he said the seventh day Sabbath is no
            longer needed. He canceled out some of the biggie parts from
            Genesis which in effect told us all that what God says there is
            no longer important as if he knew better than God. He justifies
            this by saying he was visited by the spirit of Jesus on his road
            trip to Damascus and told by that spirit, in effect, to forget
            all that is Judaism, another something we Jews do
            not believe. I
            mean we Jews do not believe Paul was visited by any spirit. For
            us to believe this we would see major contradiction between that
            spirit and his living counter part, the Rabbi Jesus.

            The Romans
            also had no need for our holidays, or for their rightful history
            and meanings, because that too could contradict what was wanted
            by the new religion, this new Catholic religion which is the evolved
            form of the Roman Empire. The basic purpose of this evolution is
            because the Romans knew Rome was collapsing and their
            sacred religion, Paganism, was severely dwindling. The Emperors
            of Rome in the 3rd and near future centuries felt they needed to
            create a new religion and the need for a bible to replace what
            was the Roman Empire so they could not totally lose power and
            control. Rome always did have this huge ego and desire to rule
            and control everything and they still do. I am throwing the
            following in because it may illustrate one of my points here.
            The Crusades was really a Roman Empire thing and it was their Jihad.
            The middle east, especially Israel/Judea was never morally owned
            by the Roman Empire, they invaded and took what they wanted
            wherever they wanted and could. That is a piece of history, as Ripley
            said, “Believe it or not”.

            Now this. I do
            remember people trying to justify the owning of other humans and
            their bible was used as “proof’ for those who wanted basically
            free labor to do what they themselves didn’t want to do. I remember
            a line from one of the fairly recent Lincoln movies where
            an enemy/opponent of Lincoln’s said something like this
            about emancipation. “We can not give equality to those whom
            God has not”. This is so much BS and I see many
            today with that belief and attitude, even if they wont admit it
            but their actions do. I remember arguments on sites like this
            from some on the Right who had to remind us that so many of the KKK
            was originally Democrats. Well yeah but they will not mention that
            those Democrat KKK got so angry with the majority of the Democratic
            Party for not becoming the bigots they are they jumped ship and
            became Republicans. Things that are left out and wanted forgotten
            by many who want history forgotten if it wont work truthfully
            for them.

            I hope I answered some of your questions in the
            best ways I can. Try researching Constantine and as much history
            as you would like through to today. There is so much Roman and
            Pagan influences in our cultures and in the Christian bibles
            today. Do you know why Constantine picked Sunday to be the new
            Sabbath day for his new religion? Remember it was the 7th day
            of the week that God rested in Genesis, not the first? How about why
            December 25th was chosen as Christ’s birthday when events show he was
            born in the Fall, perhaps in September? History does explain
            many of the differences between Judaism and Christianity but I
            also remember history has so often been written so that future
            generations believe what the authors of their history want
            believed. How can we really know what is true but I at least
            have a better understanding from the excepted versions of
            history for the differences in the religions. Shalom for now.

          • macgyver1948

            KG… I noticed in Disques you said “So I guess you are saying Jesus was a liar”, something like that. I tried to find it here but couldn’t and thinking you were saying that to me I wrote the below.

            If you got my meanings concerning the Christian Bibles from history, the Catholic bible being the first sanctioned one, I believe was written for the purpose of helping the Roman Empire survive and maintain
            power and control through evolution (not the biological kind but the sociological and political kinds). I get this from history. The future protestant bibles were published for their purposes maybe one was so they could have their own version but they were all based on the Cathartic version.

            I prefer to believe if Jesus was real and a Hebrew rabbi he was a good one, respected by the Hebrew people of his time, the few that knew him personally and heard him preach, and he taught Torah as a Rabbi should since Moses. I believe Moses could have been the first rabbi because Torah was dictated to him by God and he was told to teach and explain it to the people, as many Jews belief.

            The literal translation for the word rabbi is teacher. The main purpose for rabbis, although they have others, is to teach and explain Torah. I believe the only main difference between how rabbis teach and
            explain Torah is in their personalities, much as different Algebra teachers teach Algebra or history teachers teach, etc.

            Calling Jesus a liar would depend on what the Christian bibles say and I really do not want to do that. I read his words and I believe he was
            taken out of context in places. As a rabbi he would know it is a sin to consider oneself God. Let me explain what I mean.

            First I want to say for many religious leaders, be they Catholic priests or Protestant ministers or Rabbis or Muslim Imons, one of the things they do is quote from their respective bibles or scriptures. With that said, when a rabbi, such as Jesus, said something like “only through me can you enter the gates of heaven” I believe Jesus was quoting Torah which is God talking to us, not Jesus of himself.

            I may ask who is lying, Jesus when he was alive and teaching Torah or Paul when he says he was visited by the spirit of Jesus? The contradictions between those two Jesus’ are huge so one of them has
            to be lying as I see it. For Jesus to be the dainty Christians choose to believe he is how could the lying be done by Jesus? How could they take the word of a mortal man over their dainty? It confuses me but they do and most of the Jews in and around Israel didn’t believe Paul either, including two of the disciples and they are said to be the brothers of Jesus. It is also said that for the remainder of all the disciples lives they continued to hold Torah holy and alive as Jesus
            taught.

            Why is that? Does Paul know better than the disciples as well as Jesus while he was alive? Wouldn’t it make more sense, if Jesus was a deity, while he was alive would know his future self and know he would say the things Paul says Jesus’ spirit says? And wouldn’t it
            make more sense to say so while he was still alive about his “future after death” words for people to better believe when Paul speaks? Paul had to know the Jews wouldn’t believe him so Paul’s new scriptures were never meant for Jews. As I said before for Jews to believe anything Paul said is the same as saying “NO” to God. We cannot do that.

            Here is a thought about one thing Paul said in contradiction to the living Jesus and after you read it I have questions. Remember Paul said God’s Laws, Torah, were being replaced by Jesus himself.

            In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”) and Luke
            16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”.

            Never during his life changing his belief in, his love for, or his expression of Torah. KG, I added this little paragraph myself.

            If Jesus really said this I strongly believe what he meant by “but to fulfill” is that he means to keep it going, not to transfer Torah to anyone or anything. Now for my questions based on the Matthew 5:17 and Luke 16:17 Christian bible quotes.

            Do Heaven and Earth still exist? If they do how can Paul be right? Only God Himself, the author, can change or edit or eliminate any dots or titles or words or books from Torah and He hasn’t. Who could be lying, Paul or Jesus?

            Just a thought. If I remember correctly Paul did not like what Jesus was teaching with Torah while Jesus was alive. Isn’t it a bit to convenient to say what he says, in his gospels, after Jesus is dead and Jesus cannot defend himself and his teachings as a rabbi? I also remember Paul had a failing ministry before Jesus’ death. Torah, including the Kosher laws and traditions, can be difficult as well as expensive and I bet many would not like the idea of circumcision, the Covenant God made with Abraham, so it may have been much easier for Paul to get followers if he eliminated these things? As I said, just a thought.

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, KG ,,,, why don’t you 2 write a “New” Bible and call it “The Double Think Bible for Dummies” …. ha ha ha

          • macgyver1948

            Oh wow it is Charlie again, hows it going? Well, if the title of anything includes dummies you fit. As for “double think” for you to understand that you would first have to start thinking and for yourself as well. LOL…

            I do not intend to write a bible, I have one that works very well for me. It is the only Testament for Jews and there is not yet any continuation of it. It is that bible you do not understand at all but go on misinterpreting. I do not attempt to claim any religion is wrong, I just try to explain mine as best I can. I respect all other
            religions equally and I do not understand why there are those who cannot respect how others believe. Freedom Of Religion is meant to achieve religions equality for all in America but that liberty is one
            you do not like or is it that you do not really understand?

            The Constitution bugs you, doesn’t it? Is that because it is not really written how and with the meanings you want it to be? You know, being written with the concept of liberty and equality for all is not your thing if it disagrees with how you want it? :-).

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, We’re doing very well in the battle to expose “lies” , brainwashing , etc ,,, but ,,, have to be careful to stay within The Will and Time schedule of King Jesus Christ … The Constitution is just another one of “”Man’s”” forms of departures from “Real Law” and The Will of King Jesus Christ … You should tie in what Peter said at 2 Peter 3 , whole chapter , with what you already know about The Bible,,, it may give you some light of Truth to save you from the heat later……………………
            Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing.
            Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie,,, What about all the lies coming out of Tea and the very conservative Right? Are you ignoring those? Do you really think your King Jesus would approve of the lies coming out of the Right just because they call themselves “Right”?

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,,. the Tea’s do NOT claim to be “”Christians”” per The Bible,,, see Acts 2:38 or Galatians 3:27 and other Scriptures …………………………………………….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie, what are you talking about. Tea What, the Tea Party, The Texas Educational Authority, What??? How would either of those fit into your bible? What are you? Yeah. I know, I was talking about the Tea Party but you are so insane in how you will not allows others their beliefs I couldn’t resist.

            If you mean the Tea Party I do not care if they are Christian or not., I do not like or trust the Tea Party for anything. So why should I care? And besides, The Tea Party is an off shoot of the John Birch Society, another bigoted (if your remember from history the JBS fought hard to stop the Civil Rights movement in the 1960’s) and who only supported the big corporations. Daddy Fred Koch passed it all on to his sons, the infamous Koch brothers, helped create and finance JBS so who cares about those bigots? But since you are a bigot yourself you might just fit right in.

            Charlie, you do realize, I think you might know, that hate is the opposite of God, bigotry is hate, and you are also the opposite of God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Oh, and the God of Jesus, all the same God which you are the opposite. Live with it.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, The Almighty God is a God of “Love” ,,,BUT,,, also “Hates” some things and some people… See some of that hate at Malachi 1:1–5 … King Jesus Christ pointed out some “Edomite Jews”” at John 8:13–59 … Are you a Edomite Jew ??? King Jesus did NOT like them and exposed them for what they are… The Prophet Obadiah tells you what is going to happen to the Edomites in his one page book……….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Since Jesus was never a Hebrew King or Hebrew Messiah who was he those things for?

            Please stop this thing you do, you are looking more foolish all the time. Again, try this site if it wont burn your eyes out. It explains why Jews CANNOT believe in Jesus for anything.
            http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

            Hopefully you will back off even though it wont change your mind or convert you, I would never try to do that.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, do you know what “”Cognitive Dissonance”” is ??? Explain it , or define it… One should prove all things , especially what one “Thinks” is True … King Jesus Christ said at Luke 21:8 not to be deceived ,,, can you prove that you have Not been deceived ??? Things should be proven by well known “Scientific Evidence” or well documented historical evidence … You have NOT yet proven out this single word “Jew”,,, where ? why ? how ? what does it mean as used in The KJV OR? your Bible … You got lots of home work to do to prove ANY part of The Holy Bible wrong …. Maybe we should rename you , Maco the Psycho ,,, ha ha hhaha ha …………………

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…. You again, you never get the message.. ok, here we go again…

            .””Cognitive Dissonance””. You are kidding, right? I knew basically what it is but for you here is a nice definition.

            “In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the discomfort experienced when simultaneously holding two or more conflicting cognitions: ideas, beliefs, values or emotional reactions. In a state of dissonance, people may sometimes feel “disequilibrium”: frustration, hunger, dread, guilt, anger, embarrassment, anxiety,
            etc.[1] The phrase was coined by Leon Festinger in his 1956 book When Prophecy Fails,which chronicled the followers of a UFO cult as reality clashed with their fervent belief in an impending apocalypse.[2][3] Festinger subsequently (1957) published a book called A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance in
            which he outlines the theory. Cognitive dissonance is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

            The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have amotivational
            drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the
            importance of any one of the dissonant elements.[1] Cognitive dissonance is the distressing mental state that people feel when they “find themselves doing things that don’t fit with what they know, or having opinions that do not fit with other opinions they
            hold.”[4] A key assumption is that people want their expectations to meet reality, creating a sense of equilibrium.[5] Likewise, another assumption is that a person will avoid situations or information sources that give rise to feelings of uneasiness, or dissonance.[1]

            The above describes and diagnoses Charlie to a tea, LOL.

            WOW. You ask me “King Jesus Christ said at Luke 21:8 not to be deceived ,,, can you prove that you have Not been deceived ??? “. WOW again.
            Well, we Jews believe The Torah was written by God and Got asked Moses to write it down word for word, not changing any words or leaving any out, not one dot or punctuation, just exactly as God asked of Moses. You are delusional to ask if I can prove what we believe is from God is wrong, at least in the hearts and minds of Jews. How do I scientifically, or anyone else, prove anything we believe happened in Moses’ day and before? LOL. You are the fool in
            how you ask many of your questions. Prove Jesus was immaculately or divinely conceived, you know, came here as a demi-god. We either believe by choice or we do not by choice, that is a chosen faith when we cannot “scientifically” anything.

            I showed you this before but it fits here. Was Rabbi Jesus proven wrong to your ways of thinking? This too can be pointed to to discredit your Paul/Saul for Jews. It is one paragraph of a 14 page article.

            This is from an article I wrote years ago because Christians told me I was going to the fiery place for not believing in Jesus.

            “If Jesus was a Rabbi, a teacher of Judaism – of Torah (The First Five Books of The Hebrew Bible, also known as The Five Books Of Moses) for
            all his life, and he said things like ‘I have not come to take the law (the law being Torah) but to keep it’ (In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”)
            and Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”, never during his life changing his belief in, his love for, or his expression of Torah, according to what is written in The New Testament, how can Paul, a mere mortal, contradict so much, the word(s) of Jesus? Is
            Jesus to be proven wrong by a mere mortal, in the views of Christians? Since Jesus quoted Torah, ultimately God, I won’t ever think so, but then, as a Jew, I do not believe in Jesus! How can those who do believe in Jesus except Paul’s obvious contradictions
            of Jesus? Paul, in my view, is being accepted as being right, therefore, Jesus would have to be wrong while he was alive. How can Jesus, according to Christians, be wrong?”.

            Live with it Charlie but, something else to consider, wouldn’t it make more sense, assuming Jesus is who you claim (but cannot prove “scientifically”), for Jesus to be more believable for him to have said all the things Paul says was said by the spirit of Jesus on
            that road to Damascus some time before Jesus was nailed to the cross and to whom Jesus said it? What I mean by that is if he foretold what his future dead self would say, while he was still alive, it would be more believable. Paul/Saul had to know Jews would not believe him or his scriptures, there is no surprise there. .But this is where chosen faith comes in.

            Now this again. “Jew”, is a recognized abbreviation for a person of the Jewish faith. What is wrong with you? I bet most people in the world know that so why not you? Who is thew real psycho considering all your illogical and misguided questions?

            I will now respond to another of your comments to me today because I want to shorten the wasted time with you. In that other comment you say, in the entire comment, “Charlie (Guest):

            Maco ,,, better research Adolph Hitler a little ,,, I ‘ve heard he was part “”Jew””…………………………………

            1 p.m., Saturday Sept. 28”

            WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
            You are sickly funny. I also think it is common knowledge that one of Hitler’s parents was Jewish. I think it was his mommy but I am not sure right now. Do you have mommy issues too? I just wonder what
            planet you come from to be so misguided and misinformed about what has been going on here on Planet Earth. LOL…. Are your delusions getting to you if you seem to assume I didn’t know that about one of
            Hitler’s parents? You should have asked if I knew instead of ASSuming. Like Tea I hate Fascism/Nazism (and Communism or even your type of religion or cult/attitude which is known as Talibanisms but
            you didn’t bring those up here) so I read up on the psycho Hitler long ago.

            Live with it Charlie. To each his/hers own faith. Oh, but you have a problem with that if it differs from yours. :-).

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Great!!! ,,, We have you checking on your Psychological / Spiritual condition ,,, SO? ,,, your Mind will never be the same after this encounter with a “True Christian” … I know all the “stuff” I write about because I was “brainwashed” by “The Jews”,,, BUT ,,, God / King Jesus Christ , allowed some “Experiences” to happen to Me , back when I was just a Judeo Christian ,,, which about 75 to 90 % of so called “”Christians”” are … Well , when this tragic event happened ,,,I cried out to God, “what the hell is going on” ??? this ain’t suppose to happen to a “”Christian”” … Well after about 5 years of debating with God / King Jesus Christ , over who’s fault caused this tragic event, God caused Me to “”Seek”” some answers and most of those answers are right there in “Scriptures” ,,, BUT,,, one has to do “”Things” the way The King says , NOT, necessarily what “Man” says , Man mostly is a Liar ,,, SO? ,, IF? one is not seeking
            The Counsel of King Jesus Christ on just about every thing ,, then “They” are most likely a problem , looking for a place to happen … S**t don’t just happen ,,,it’s caused… God caused Me to find some stuff out about the “Jews”,,,. this info came from a non Christian at work , this same guy lead Me to The Most educated Bible Preacher in the World , which gave Me a real speed up on Harmonizing and Deciphering Scriptures .
            After about 20 years of Bible study under one of the best Preachers , I could see most of the “Fraud” going on in America and The World … SO? I have found out that The Bible , KJV, NASB etc are True in “Contexts” and Harmony with itself and all Scientific Laws… Some say experience is the best teacher,,, and I’m still learning,,, are You???

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie you are insane, in the truest sense. Who is this “True Christian” you think or imagined I encountered? It cannot be you because you are a fraud, an insane one but none the less a fraud..

            Christ was Jewish so was he one of the brainwashed or one of the brainwashers? I think you brainwash yourself. Or are you just misquoting something again? Your words do not make sense but that
            goes to your insanity. Checking on my “Psychological / Spiritual condition”? LOL.

            Charlie, who is this “The Most educated Bible Preacher in the World”. Are you allowed to sit at a computer in your institution and write what
            you wright every day in spite of your massive delusions? There are loads of people like you and some may think they are most correctly knowledgeable in your bible. You Charlie are proving nothing as
            usual. You give your insane opinion and you rant it by saying idiot things such such as my bible is the truth because it says so and it is scientifically proven.

            WWWWOOOOWWWOWWWWWW.
            It sounds like you are saying not only are all others religions in the world wrong but also all Christians, Catholics and other Protestants, are also wrong if they do not see things you claim are the only right things to believe – YOUR WAYS. Dilutions within your insanity just keep growing and showing themselves the more you write, this is a duzy. I see you cannot help yourself but to be so insulting and rude and insane. I thought Alice In Wonderland was disillusional when she took the little pills making her both 10 feet tall and also
            tiny enough to fit in the little rabbit hole but you beat all her delineations to the 10th exponential degree. Why is your straight jacket not tightly and securely around you?

            Everyone is wrong but you, huh Charlie? More delusion. Oh, and those you claim think as you along with those you claim have taught you the “Truth”,
            they too cannot be wrong? Why is that, do they have “Scientific proof” of all they say from their bible as you do? WOW ten thousand times over. Well Charlieo, I guess being tucked away in your delusional insanity makes you feel safe and secure and, of course,
            right. Have a lily pop for the sweet of it. :-) Get some real help.

            It is not customary for Jews to proselytize, we tend to stay away from that kind of recruiting. If you do not understand that I will simplify it for you. We do not go out and try to convert anyone and that goes back at least to when the Romans invaded and murdered and
            stole what they wanted in Israel, perhaps sooner. We just do not go out as missionaries to bring people into our belief system. So for you to suggest you were “brainwashed” by “The Jews” is too difficult to believe. I can more readily believe you just went nuts all on your own.

            You end this whatever comment of yours with“.
            SO? I have found out that The Bible , KJV, NASB etc are True in “Contexts” and Harmony with itself and all Scientific Laws… Some say experience is the best teacher,,, and I’m still learning,,, are You???

            6:59 p.m., Saturday Sept. 28”

            Yep, I agree, experience can be a great, even the best at times. But “Scientific Laws” huh? LOL. Well, where and what are the “Scientific Laws” that back up immaculate or divine conception? Well, where and what are the “Scientific Laws” that back up the
            visit of Jesus’ spirit to Paul/Saul? Well, where and what are the “Scientific Laws” that back up the so-called miracles Jesus was supposed to have performed? It is either chosen faith and belief or it is your delusions, nothing really else. By the way, again, the KJV
            is by far not an original.

            Did you read what I sent you earlier today on what King James was as a man? I suppose if you did read the site I sent you about King James the man you would deny the accepted history on him because accepted history doesn’t agree with your belief system. I heard many Christians say the thing I am talking about concerning King James is an abomination to God.

            Charlie, get some real help. Oh yeah, get lost too.

            P.S. You say near the end of your comment about yourself, “After about 20 years of Bible study under one of the best Preachers , I could see most of the “Fraud” going on in America and The World”. You Charlie should be a master of what they want you
            to believe by now so why are you so not convincing in your attempts to convince? I think it may have a lot to do with your problem understanding how logic works for sure but it is also your insanity.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Since you do not want to get into proving out what King Jesus Christ said to do in The New Testament . We better check out this insanity thing you brought up… Where is the borderline between sane and insane ???
            Do you believe The Book of Revelations in The New Testament ???
            Can you give us some info on how to prove one is insane? Are you qualified to declare some one insane?
            I would say , anyone that says part of The Bible is wrong ,is calling The Almighty God a liar ,,, how much sanity does that take ??? Most of what We have been doing is just pointing at Scriptures that you don’t know and certainly do not have harmonized with other Scriptures,,, and certainly cannot prove wrong in contexts or out….
            Give us some sane specifications so We can work on improving our sanity …. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie, Charlie, Charlie…. Your delusions just go rolling on and on. What does it take to get anything through to you? You are not worth knowing in your delusional state… It is not that I do not “want to get into proving out what King Jesus Christ said to do in The New Testament”, as you say of me, it is that it is so near impossible for anyone to prove anything they do not believe (in the man or the book). I say that to you so often but it wont sink in. You will never be able to prove the man or the book scientifically, as you said you do, so it is just a matter of chosen faith. Choices Charlie, those are up to each of us through Free Will from God, never for you to decide for all of us. Stop doing what is God’s alone. More delusion on your part.

            You are now here asking me “Do you believe The Book of Revelations in The New Testament ???”. This is yet another one of the many reasons which points out your delusions or how you go on and on ignoring
            those who do not agree with you. Besides “MANY”, how many times have I told you I do not believe in Jesus or any Christian bible? Isn’t The Book Of Revelations in the New Testament? Did you remove it
            some how for you to still be asking me that???

            Just so you do not again claim I do not answer you—> NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!!! For example, AGAIN. The greater
            beast/lessor beast, 666, end of times stuff. This too is another example of your kind’s attempt to forget and ignore history or maybe admit there is a connection you do not see. I guess you guys just do not want to learn the lessons of history so you deny or ignore them.

            Look this up in the Hebrew Bible, I will not do your research for you but I will tell you this much so you will have an idea where to start. The Hebrew Prophet Danial told us, and he, as with all prophets gets his
            prophesies from God, that there will be a time in the future where a greater beast will order a lessor beast, with the sign 666 (that sign is from the Hebrew alphabet where in those days many cultures
            used their alphabet symbols for both their alphabet and math symbols), to destroy the great city (we know that the great city in those days and that area is Jerusalem, and all the inhabitants will be killed, as in their days will end. Does any of this sound familiar to you from your bible in Revelations yet? Your Jesus spoke of this Danial Prophesy in the New Testament – look that up too.

            Now we know from Ancient history during the year 70 AD (that is about 37 years after your Jesus dies but there is no connection there, it is just a time reference for you Charlie) two main events occurred in and around Jerusalem. The then Emperor of Rome ordered his son, The Roman General Titus, to take his armies and destroy Jerusalem. I know your kind wants history to be forgotten and ignored, for both religious and political purposes, but live with it.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
            Siege of Jerusalem (70) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/jewishtemple.htm
            The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70
            AD

            http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishhistory/a/greatrevolt.htm
            The Great Revolt and the Destruction of the Second Temple.

            The first even I speak of was the total crushing/ending of the Hebrew Rebellion against Rome in Israel, the Jews were the insurgents showing that there are good insurgents who fight against evil during invasions and occupations. :-).

            The second event was the total destruction of Jerusalem and the ending of days for almost all who weren’t Roman in the area. The Second Temple
            was destroyed there too during that massive massacre. So many people’s times were ended.

            So Charlie boy we can see from the Emperor Of Rome’s revenge and ager he fulfilled Danial’s Prophesy in the year 70 AD. By the way, That same
            (lessor beast in this story), The Roman General Titus, became the next Roman Emperor after his daddy was gone.

            If I remember correctly, please correct me if I am wrong, isn’t that story in The Book Of Revelations basically a dream by some unnamed dreamer? Why not mention the teller of the story if the story is so
            important? This is not relevant to this telling but there is in your bible a story where Jesus attends a wedding and provides wine for the guests/wedding party, not once but twice. How come you guys do not mention who the bride and groom are if it is important for Jesus to be there, and do the wine giving, and for the story to be told in your bible? I am just curious.

            I prefer to believe the story-teller in your Book Of Revelations knew either Danial’s Prophesy or the slaughters in Jerusalem in 70 AD, or both, and embellishments were handed out for effect, dream or not.

            Well Charlie boy, do you get that “I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!!!” yet? It is part of your bible so how can I?

            You then ask me “Can you give us some info on how to prove one is insane?”. Well, in your case you continue to say, as your proof of whatevers, and ask the same questions of me and it seems you expect
            different results/answers each time. And you do all that without any concept of how to use logic. When you know the person and you are trying to convince them of something you CANNOT use what they do not
            believe in as proof of anything. That is just stupid as well as illogical. Your have to use something they believe or agree with so it has a chance of being convincing. WOW!!! you do defy the laws of
            logic.

            I am trying to respond to you as much as I can. You say to me “…anyone that says part of The Bible is wrong ,is calling The Almighty God a liar ,,, how much sanity does that take ???” Funny how you claim The Hebrew Bible is wrong when we believe the Torah is
            from God Himself. You guys do reinterpret the original Hebrew Torah scriptures for your purposes though and Torah is a huge important part of The Hebrew Bible but whatever you need to do to justify for
            yourselves. You cannot justify what you need justified without reinventing meanings of scriptures, and saying there are things in the Hebrew scriptures that never were there before any Christian bible existed.

            I am not trying to convince you that your bible is wrong for you, only that it is wrong for Jews. You have the right to your chosen beliefs and I will never deny that, I will defend your right to your chosen beliefs and I do not have to agree with your for that. “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death
            your right to say it”. François-Marie Arouet (French: [fʁɑ̃swa ma.ʁi aʁ.wɛ]; 21 November 1694 – 30 May 1778), known by his nomde plume Voltaire (pronounced: [vɔl.tɛːʁ]), was a French Enlightenment writer, historian and philosopher.
            That quote relates to Freedom Of Speech and other of our Constitutional freedoms even though he was a Frenchman but I like it. In case you missed it, the quote relates to Liberty. :-).

            Charlie, I am not “calling The Almighty God a liar ,,, how much sanity does that take ??? “ as you say according to the Hebrew Bible. I will not say NO to God as He has spoken and asked of us in the Hebrew
            Bible just for your kind, or for any other reason. You do the Chubby Checker thing in how you twist other people’s words and meanings
            around.

            I
            will end with trying to respond to your “Most of what We have been doing is just pointing at Scriptures that you don’t know and certainly do not have harmonized with other Scriptures,,, “.

            Charlie, it is not me who doesn’t understand the Hebrew Bible so much, as you say, but it is you who will not accept other people’s right to believe as they choose if their beliefs are different from yours.
            That make you a tyrant of sorts and not a believer in Liberty. That in itself also makes you nasty and intolerable after a while along with your direct insults of my Bible. I can handle you insulting me but when you insult The Hebrew Bible as you do, as you also insult
            God in your doing, that I will not tolerate. In the old days I may have called you a cad (LOL) and called you out to duel in some way but these days I have better more suiting words for you but this
            site would block and/or sensor those. :-). In time I have come say what I say to you in response to your insults and intolerances of other people’s right to their beliefs, in my case how you insult God as we Jews relate to Him.

            If you want respect for both yourself and your beliefs you cannot go around and do as you do, being the tyrant that you have become, and expect respect in return, it is just not intelligent or logical.

            I have to end this because I feel you either do not read what I respond to you with, some or most, or you just ignore it as you dismiss any possible truth without any consideration, as you do concerning my rights to my choice of beliefs. Are you really trying to understand
            other people’s views or were you lying when you said that?

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, that last was so long winded you got the attention of , YO YO,,, but he did not declare Me insane yet ………..
            How can you believe and / or pick and choose part of The
            KJV and leave out Revelations ? read Revelations 1:1–5
            it’s by / of King Jesus Christ from The Almighty God , and communicated and shown to John , the brother of King Jesus Christ … Talk about “chain of Command” , does it get any higher ranking ? ……………
            IF? you don’t try to believe the super natural ,,, then “We” will have to declare you insane because of what Revelations 22:17 , 18, 19 says …. The unseen is greater than the seen ,,, but ,,, the unseen can be seen with the eyes of “”The Faithful””” ,,, faith means , Action upon belief ,,, believing comes first ,,, that’s why Peter could not walk on water ,,, Peter did not really believe he could ,,, that also why Peter denied King Jesus 3 times before the cock crowed … .. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…. Don’t concern yourself with Bob666, you can’t handle his sanity and intelligence.

            WOW again. You ask me in this yet another delusional comment “How can you believe and / or pick and choose part of The KJV and leave out Revelations ? read Revelations 1:1–5 it’s by / of King Jesus Christ from The Almighty God , and communicated and shown to John , the brother of King Jesus Christ … “. Yeah let’s talk about it. WOW…

            For the 20 thousandth time, which proves you both do not understand and/or you ignore what you do not want to understand. I have been telling you I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTAIN BOIBLES, NOT ANY PART OF THEM. Where is your brain for you to not get that by now? “NOT ANY PART OF THEM OT IT WHATEVER” would mean that includes Revelations or John or Mathew or Peter or any other part. Why do you continue to show us how stupid you are when you miss what has been told to you so many times?

            Then you continue to include after your above question “it’s by / of King Jesus Christ from The Almighty God”. What is that suppose to mean to people who DO NOT believe in your Jesus. Again, there is the same difference to Jews between God and Jesus as there is between God and the rest of humanity. Your Jesus, to Jews, was just a man and
            nothing else more than the rest of us. Where is your Science which you say is your proof to the contrary? You say Science backs up your bibles so where is that scientific evidence? You do sound so silly when you include science as your proof in this. Do you still want to know why I think you are nuts even though I answered that for you before? Read you questions and my responses to them here again and maybe you will know why. Don’t leave out what is below too for why I think you are nuts.

            Then you ask, after your above questions“Talk about “chain of Command” , does it get any higher ranking ? ……………”Talk about “chain of Command” , does it get any higher ranking ?
            ……………”

            Well, there is God who created everything and then we humans here on Earth. The angels are in there too but we cannot pray to them, only to God. We Jews cannot pray to or believe in your Jesus who is only a mere
            mortal man to Jews. It is a mortal sin for Jews to pray to anything other than the single entity (no parts or trinity, just a single supreme intellectual entity) who is God Himself. Besides God refers to himself often in the Hebrew in the singular. God is one Charlie and “I am, I am” is just one way God shows he does not come in
            parts or a trinity.

            I included the first two of the Ten Commandants for you before as well where the First Commandant shows God refers to Himself as “Me”, also indicating He is singular and not multiples or in parts. The Second Commandment shows we can not make and pray to any graven images which also is symbolic leaving out your Jesus for Jews. We Jews simply cannot pray to your man, Jesus. The real Hebrew Messiah, when God sends him for the first time to us, will also be just a man and therefore we cannot pray to him either.

            Am I right in assuming you did not go to the site I suggested yesterday or the day before which would explain further “Why Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?”? You wanted Hebrew Biblical Scriptures to back me up so here are some. I bring the majority of that page to you so you use less effort.

            Well try this if you are too lazy to find out on your own or just afraid to find the truth when it comes to Jews. HHHMMM, I wonder if you have the nerve. :-)

            From that site, http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
            .
            Happy reading if you aren’t too lazy to read it or too afraid to find out the truth about Jews as well as a bible considerably older than yours and Torah, which was written by God. As far as I know Torah is the only set of documents written by God and all the rest of the
            bibles, the rest of the Hebrew Bible and all Christian Bibles too, were at best inspired by men’s desired impressions of what they would want of God but, none the less, written by men. Here we go Charlie.

            (What exactly is the Hebrew Messiah?)

            Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

            Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

            Biblical verses “referring” to Jesus are mistranslations.

            Jewish belief is based on national revelation. At
            the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:

            Christianity contradicts Jewish theology

            Jews and Gentiles

            Bringing the Messiah

            (back)

            The word “Messiah” is an English rendering of the Hebrew word “Mashiach”, which means “Anointed.” It usually refers to a person initiated into God’s service by being anointed with
            oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)

            Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as “an anointed one” (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: “God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord’s Messiah [Saul]…” (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)

            Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God.
            (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah
            31:33-34)

            Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea
            3:4-5)

            Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed king as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of
            a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.

            1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES

            What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

            A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

            B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

            C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)

            D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: “God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).

            The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

            Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

            2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH

            A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET

            Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from
            Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets—Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

            Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

            B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID

            According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be
            a demi-god,(1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

            The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus
            could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2) SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH’S RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION

            C. TORAH OBSERVANCE

            The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

            Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts
            3:22 and 7:37) For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), “He does not observe Shabbat!”

            3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES “REFERRING” TO JESUS

            Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

            A. VIRGIN BIRTH

            The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an “alma” as giving birth. The word “alma” has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as “virgin.” This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being
            impregnated by gods.

            B. CRUCIFIXION

            The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: “Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet.” The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word “gouged.” Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: “They pierced my hands and
            feet.”

            C. SUFFERING SERVANT

            Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the “suffering servant.”

            In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews (“Israel”) are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.

            Ironically, Isaiah’s prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured
            and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.

            From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nazianzus, wrote: “A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they
            admire.” For further reading on the “suffering
            servant”: jewsforjudaism.org/ss

            4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION

            Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation—i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He’ll tell everyone, not just one person.

            Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God’s true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion
            because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

            Judaism, unique among all of the world’s major religions, does not rely on “claims of miracles” as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of “miracles” to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty
            to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

            Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

            The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone’s belief is based on seeing miracles,
            he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as
            proof of his prophecy.

            What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others… as it says, “Face to face, God spoke with you…” The Torah also states: “God
            did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us—who are all here alive today.” (Deut. 5:3)

            Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

            See “Did God Speak at Mount Sinai” for
            further reading.

            5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY

            The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.

            A. GOD AS THREE?

            The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

            Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE” (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding
            it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God’s One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies. In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry—one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.

            B. MAN AS GOD?

            Roman Catholics believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

            Maimonides devotes most of the “Guide for the Perplexed” to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond
            space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: “God is not a mortal” (Numbers
            23:19).

            Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step
            into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides – Laws of Kings 11:3)

            C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?

            The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary—i.e. confessing one’s sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: “No man cometh unto the Father but by me.”

            In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and God. As the Bible says: “God is near to all who call unto Him” (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: “You
            shall have no other gods BEFORE ME,” meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between God and man. (see Maimonides – Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)

            D. INVOLVEMENT IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD

            Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.

            By contrast, Judaism believes that God created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates.
            Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.

            The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle
            of commercial activity. Jews don’t retreat from life, we elevate it.

            6) JEWS AND GENTILES

            Judaism does not demand that everyone convert to the religion. The Torah of Moses is a truth for all humanity, whether Jewish or not. King Solomon asked God to heed the prayers of non-Jews who come to the
            Holy Temple (Kings I 8:41-43). The prophet Isaiah refers to the Temple as a “House for all nations.”

            The Temple service during Sukkot featured 70 bull offerings, corresponding to the 70 nations of the world. The Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much benefit they were getting from the Temple, they’d never have destroyed it.

            Jews have never actively sought converts to Judaism because the Torah prescribes a righteous path for gentiles to follow, known as the “Seven Laws of Noah.” Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these basic moral laws earns a proper place in heaven.

            For further study of the Seven Laws of Noah:
            The Seven Laws of Noah

            7) BRINGING THE MESSIAH

            Maimonides states that the popularity of Christianity (and Islam) is part of God’s plan to spread the ideals of Torah throughout the world. This moves society closer to a perfected state of morality and toward a
            greater understanding of God. All this is in preparation for the Messianic age.

            Indeed, the world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. War and pollution threaten our planet; ego and confusion erode family life. To the extent we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent
            we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions a Jew is asked on Judgment Day is: “Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?”

            How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.

            Despite the gloom, the world does seem headed toward redemption. One apparent sign is that the Jewish people have returned to the Land of Israel
            and made it bloom again. Additionally, a major movement is afoot of young Jews returning to Torah tradition.

            The Messiah can come at any moment, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: “Redemption will come today—if you hearken to His voice.”

            by Rabbi Shraga Simmons
            Largely adapted from Aish.com

            Note Charlie. Just in case you might be wondering why the writer of the above article, the rabbi, is comparing only to Catholics I think I may know. We Jews generally see all Christians as the same (Catholics and all Protestants, any who worship Jesus) and none of their bibles are for us. But we do know there are some differences in the different churches and the many different denominations. We know there are differences between the Catholic Bible and all the Protestant bibles (although they are all translated from the same ancient scrolls, more or less) in their different editings, deletions along with their individual respective scripture meanings. It may just be easier to refer to the Catholics because they were the first sanctioned Christian church and their’s first sanctioned published bible.

            That’s enough for now Charlie. Did you take the plunge to try to find out “Why Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?” or did you punk out?

            I told you what I will explain in this paragraph before for a reason but I bet you didn’t understand what my point was or you just didn’t read what I was saying. The Golden Calf Story from Torah in the Hebrew Bible was showing how it is a mortal sin for us to worship
            anything that isn’t the Single entity who is God. God was going to kill all the Israelites for that golden calf thing for worshiping it and praying to it and all the rest they were doing. It is that praying to something that isn’t God Himself that is the mortal sin. The Golden Calf is one of those things that is to be taken both
            literally and symbolically for anything that isn’t God. Jesus is not God so we would be committing a mortal sin for praying to him.

            Charlie, see you around the Temple. :-)

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, ha ha ha ha ha ,,,, YO YO has some intelligences
            ??? how much ??? Another long winded baffle them bull , with a little half truths thrown in ….
            You Jews crucified King Jesus Christ ,,, Edomite Jews and other Jews ,,, Now!!! you are helping crucify most of The Holy Bible of The Almighty God… SO? “We” will address 4 of your non defined , non harmonized Scripture
            points ,,, 1 . Ezekiel 37:26–28 … First on this Scripture one MUST have a very clear definition of the word “Sanctuary” ,,, then you may figure out that sanctuary means The Whole Being of King Jesus Christ ,,, because of what Acts 2:38 says ,also Galatians 3:27 …………….
            NOW !!! just because you do NOT believe certain writings, does NOT make them fiction …. Scientific proof is staring you in the face everyday , such as The Sun , Trees growing and many other things going on that you cannot explain and do not understand ,,,BUT,,, some Educated Men of Science can explain most in writing ,,, but ,,, most would not understand those writings either … SO? on to point 2. Isaiah 43:5, 6 The word “Jew” is NOT used , verse 3 of that same chapter explains “Who” is being talked about ,,,it’s The Children of Israel ,,,the man Israel’s lineage,,, NOT just the tribe of Judah… The state of Israel today has extremely little to do with The Children of Israel of today … REMEMBER ,,, the word Israel in The Bible mostly is in reference to The Man Jacob , who was renamed ” Israel by God…… Point 3. Isaiah 2:4 , notice verse 2:1, 2, 3 explain who, where, is being written about , it’s
            The New JerUSAlem which is The U S A ………………..
            Point 4. Zechariah 14:9 ,,,notice verse 8 ID’s U S A again ,,, because the U S A is one of the few Nations that have a western sea AND a eastern sea ,,, the state of Israel DOES NOT have a eastern sea,,, put that in your pipe and smoke it for a while……………………………
            NOW!!! for the biggie,,, Zechariah 14: 9 describes ,,, King Jesus Christ…………………………………..
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation , Sanctuary and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie, Charlie, Charlie…. Your delusions just go rolling on and on. What does it take to get anything through to you? You are not worth knowing in your delusional state… It is not that I do not “want to get into proving out what King Jesus Christ said to do in The New Testament”, as you say of me, it is that it is so near impossible for anyone to prove or disprove anything they do not believe (in the man or the book). I know it can be done but to disprove what I do not
            believe in I try not to try. I say that to you so often but it wont sink in. You will never be able to prove the man or the book scientifically, as you said you do, so it is just a matter of chosen faith. Choices Charlie, those are up to each of us through Free Will from God, never for you to decide for all of us. Stop doing what is
            God’s alone. More delusion on your part.

            You are now here asking me “Do you believe The Book of Revelations in The New Testament ???”. This is yet another one of the many reasons which points out your delusions or how you go on and on ignoring
            those who do not agree with you. Besides “MANY”, how many times have I told you I do not believe in Jesus or any Christian bible? Isn’t The Book Of Revelations in the New Testament? Did you remove it
            some how for you to still be asking me that???

            Just so you do not again claim I do not answer you—> NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!!! For example, AGAIN. The greater
            beast/lessor beast, 666, end of times stuff. This too is another example of your kind’s attempt to forget and ignore history or maybe admit there is a connection you do not see. I guess you guys just do
            not want to learn the lessons of history so you deny or ignore them.

            Look this up in the Hebrew Bible, I will not do your research for you but I will tell you this much so you will have an idea where to start. The Hebrew Prophet Danial told us, and he, as with all prophets gets his
            prophesies from God, that there will be a time in the future where a greater beast will order a lessor beast, with the sign 666 (that sign is from the Hebrew alphabet where in those days many cultures
            used their alphabet symbols for both their alphabet and math symbols), to destroy the great city (we know that the great city in those days and that area is Jerusalem, and all the inhabitants will be killed, as in their days will end. Does any of this sound familiar to you from your bible in Revelations yet? Your Jesus spoke of this Danial Prophesy in the New
            Testament – look that up too.

            Now we know from Ancient history during the year 70 AD (that is about 37 years after your Jesus dies but there is no connection there) two main events occurred in and around Jerusalem. The then Emperor of Rome ordered his son, The Roman General Titus, to take his armies and destroy Jerusalem. I know your kind wants history to be forgotten and ignored, for both religious and political purposes, but live with it.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
            Siege of Jerusalem (70) – Wikipedia, the free
            encyclopedia

            http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/jewishtemple.htm
            The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem,
            70 AD

            http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishhistory/a/greatrevolt.htm
            The Great Revolt and the Destruction of the Second Temple.

            The first even I speak of was the total crushing/ending of the Hebrew Rebellion against Rome in Israel, the Jews were the insurgents showing that there are good insurgents who fight against evil during invasions and occupations. :-).

            The second event was the total destruction of Jerusalem and the ending of days for almost all who weren’t Roman in the area. The Second Temple
            was destroyed there too during that massive massacre. So many people’s times were ended.

            So Charlie boy we can see from the Emperor Of Rome’s revenge and ager he fulfilled Danial’s Prophesy in the year 70 AD. By the way, That same
            (lessor beast in this story), The Roman General Titus, became the next Roman Emperor after his daddy was gone.

            If I remember correctly, please correct me if I am wrong, isn’t that story in The Book Of Revelations basically a dream by some unnamed dreamer? Why not mention the teller of the story if the story is so
            important? This is not relevant to this telling but there is in your bible a story where Jesus attends a wedding and provides wine for the guests/wedding party, not once but twice. How come you guys do not mention who the bride and groom are if it is important for Jesus to be there, and do the wine giving, and for the story to be told in your bible? I am just curious.

            I prefer to believe the story-teller in your Book Of Revelations knew either Danial’s Prophesy or the slaughters in Jerusalem in 70 AD, or both, and embellishments were handed out for effect, dream or not.

            Well Charlie boy, do you get that “I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!!!” yet? It is part of your bible so how can I?

            You then ask me “Can you give us some info on how to prove one is insane?”. Well, in your case you continue to say, as your proof of whatevers, and ask the same questions of me and it seems you expect
            different results/answers each time. And you do all that without any concept of how to use logic. When you know the person and you are trying to convince them of something you CANNOT use what they do not
            believe in as proof of anything. That is just stupid as well as illogical. Your have to use something they believe or agree with so it has a chance of being convincing. WOW!!! you do defy the laws of
            logic.

            I am trying to respond to you as much as I can. You say to me “…anyone that says part of The Bible is wrong ,is calling The Almighty God a liar ,,, how much sanity does that take ???” Funny how you claim The Hebrew Bible is wrong when we believe the Torah is
            from God Himself. You guys do reinterpret the original Hebrew Torah scriptures for your purposes though and Torah is a huge important part of The Hebrew Bible but whatever you need to do to justify for
            yourselves. You cannot justify what you need justified without reinventing meanings of scriptures, and saying there are things in the Hebrew scriptures that never were there before any Christian bible existed.

            I am not trying to convince you that your bible is wrong for you, only that it is wrong for Jews. You have the right to your chosen beliefs and I will never deny that, I will defend your right to your chosen beliefs and I do not have to agree with your for that. “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death
            your right to say it”. François-Marie Arouet (French: [fʁɑ̃.swa ma.ʁi aʁ.wɛ]; 21 November 1694 – 30 May 1778), known by his nomde plume Voltaire (pronounced: [vɔl.tɛːʁ]), was a French Enlightenment writer, historian and philosopher. That quote relates to Freedom Of Speech and other of our Constitutional
            freedoms even though he was a Frenchman but I like it. In case you missed it, the quote relates to Liberty. :-).

            Charlie, I am not “calling The Almighty God a liar ,,, how much sanity does that take ??? “ as you say according to the Hebrew Bible. I will not say NO to God as He has spoken and asked of us in the Hebrew
            Bible just for your kind, or for any other reason. You do the Chubby Checker thing in how you twist other people’s words and meanings around.

            I will end with trying to respond to your “Most of what We have been doing is just pointing at Scriptures that you don’t know and certainly do not have harmonized with other Scriptures,,, “.

            Charlie, it is not me who doesn’t understand the Hebrew Bible so much, as you say, but it is you who will not accept other people’s right to believe as they choose if their beliefs are different from yours.
            That make you a tyrant of sorts and not a believer in Liberty. That in itself also makes you nasty and intolerable after a while along with your direct insults of my Bible. I can handle you insulting me but when you insult The Hebrew Bible as you do, as you also insult
            God in your doing, that I will not tolerate. In the old days I may have called you a cad (LOL) and called you out to duel in some way but these days I have better more suiting words for you but this site would block and/or sensor those. :-). In time I have come say
            what I say to you in response to your insults and intolerances of other people’s right to their beliefs, in my case how you insult God as we Jews relate to Him.

            If you want respect for both yourself and your beliefs you cannot go around and do as you do, being the tyrant that you have become, and expect respect in return, it is just not intelligent or logical.

            I have to end this because I feel you either do not read what I respond to you with, some or most, or you just ignore it as you dismiss any possible truth without any consideration, as you do concerning my rights to my choice of beliefs. Are you really trying to understand
            other people’s views or were you lying when you said that?

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Still dwelling in the Nutcase Continuum?

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666… Yeah I guess I am but that might be because people who think as he (politically as well as religiously) deserve pity but to a point. I just hope some day they will learn to accept and respect other peoples right to their beliefs as much as the Charlies in the world would want for themselves. Wouldn’t that also be nice for those who claim they are patriots and for Liberty but do not respect and accept differences in beliefs. :-) It sounds like a Tea party.

          • Bob666

            Well Mac,
            you’re a better man than I am, I don’t have the patience to deal with the Nut Case-as he is a moving target that just like to argue.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…
            I very much agree with you but I think it is also that people like him cannot tolerate violations or disagreements to his programming, you know, differences of opinion of beliefs.

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Even though I responded to his comment of your already I just received an email from this site telling me about your comment so I wrote more. here it is.

            888

            Charlie … Is that so? You are doing well in the battle to expose ”lies”, are you? Charlie, I am not going to sit here and insult your beliefs as several on this site have mine, including you. If you want to believe in Jesus, and what you say about his “time Schedule” go
            for it. I do not tell you that you are wrong for you but I do tell you how wrong your beliefs (in Jesus) are for me and The Jewish people. There is a huge difference and and you and those Christians like you seem to miss that.

            Once more Charlie. Your bible is no more my bible than the Koran is your bible. Your Bible is not a continuation of the Hebrew Bible and no matter how much you say it is will not make it so for Jews. Have you learned what that says yet or is it too tough for you to comprehend?

            With all that said, again and again etc to you, all your telling me ab out Jesus will just be taken as your beliefs. You are not convincing and your proselytizing skills are worthless. We can civilly discuss the differences but it must stay civil and mature. I enjoy learning about others belief’s but I draw the line on attitudes such as “Only my beliefs are right so you have to be wrong”, or, “you Jews are going to hell if you do not accept Jesus”. I get both often on this
            site and ever since I moved from New Jersey to the so-called bible belt the nuts have often said those things to me. Those are your attitudes so it gets tough with people like you to maintain any level of maturity after a while.

            So much for you saying “We’re doing very well in the battle to expose “lies” , brainwashing , etc ,,, but…”. Shalom

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, only one problem ,,,, there is only one Truth ,,, IF? The Holy Bible is wrong ? what Truths? did you use to prove the other older Truth wrong??? ,,, Or ,,, ? are you just saying part is wrong ?

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie….To
            all religions it is generally believed among its leaders and members
            they are with the truth. Their bible and religious lessons and how it
            is taught in their religious organization has to be the truth to them
            otherwise what would be the reason or point to choose that
            religion?

            Charlie, you need to accept the rights of
            others to believe how they choose or you deserve no right to yours.
            Your religion and mine are very different in their beliefs. We all
            need to accept that and respect people’s choices. I do not tell you
            your faith is wrong for you, I never did. I only tell you how mine is
            according to my level of understanding. There is no real connection
            between our religions and we need to accept that too. Jews do not
            believe your New Testaments are any kind of continuation of our
            bible. How can we since your bible is based on the belief in Jesus
            and the Gospels of Paul? Again and Again have I told you your bible
            is no more for Jews than the Karon is for Christians, or Jews for
            that matter. Do you still not understand that?

            Since I never
            tried to prove any religion wrong I never looked for proof to prove
            any “other older Truth wrong”, as you ask, or any newer
            ones either. I really do believe as I told you many times “To
            each his/her own faith”. Nice attempt at a twist you tried
            there.

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, As I said before , there is only 1 Almighty God , so , who is this “Other” god you keep talking about ? King Jesus Christ is in The Old Testament as well as The New… King Jesus Christ is also a bloodline Jew,,, The lineage in The OT list that…. The other problem with your writes is you use many words that have several meanings , such as Jew , Jewish , Gentile , sometimes a person can be all 3 or more… Paul , in the New Testament calls himself , a Jew , a Benjamite , a Roman … According to you a word means what you want it to mean when you want it to mean IT??????????
            Hey !!! try to have good day and night and keep one eye open for The Real King Jesus Christ , as , pointed out in The Oldest Bible you can find…………………………

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I can not believe you are so stupid to continue to ask this same kind of question over and over again. You ask again “Mac ,,, As I said before , there is only 1 Almighty God , so , who is this “Other”
            god you keep talking about ?”. You are so wow to aske this more than once and I have responded to it several times.

            Let’s try again since it is above your level of understanding. There is only one God. God is one. He says he is “I am” which also implies a singular entity. God IDs Himself for Pharaoh with, “I am, I am” after Moses asked “Who should I say is sending me?”. The first of the Ten Commandants says “Thou shall have no other gods before Me”. That “Me” at the end of that Commandant also shows God is singular. Although God is known by many names God does not come in
            parts. Again, there is only one God and that only one God is all through The Hebrew Bible.

            Now this too again as you and I ran around several times in the past. You again here say “ King Jesus Christ is in The Old Testament as well as The New”.

            I will grant you that your Jesus is all over your New Testament (yours and all the other Christian Bibles and that includes the Catholic Bible), no doubt about that at all. But there is also no doubt about your Jesus, king or otherwise, anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, or as
            you like to call your renaming of it, “The Old Testament”. Jews recognize only one Testament and that ends with the Book Ezra / Nehemiah.

            I have asked you and others in the past who have said your Jesus is in the Hebrew to show where and explain but you guys always come back with either some lame wanted-on-your-part misinterpretation of Hebrew
            scripture, where it is not any part of, or you just ignore my inquire all together.

            Also again, if you want your Jesus to be the Christian Messiah, the Christian King or a Christian Prophet that is none of our business. We Jews wouldn’t at all care since your Jesus was never any of those
            things for Jews. Jesus is NO WARE IN THE HEBREW BIBLE. Your New Testament is not a continuation of The Hebrew Bible for Jews.

            If you want to go out and start a new religion you should do so only on your own terms. Do not take apart any other religions to justify your religion in any ways that would do that justifying for you. Your
            religion and your bible should be able to stand on their own merits and not go in and change other religions or their bibles to makes sense of yours. Maybe if all Jews were killed off centuries ago, and none exist today, you might have a chance but since that didn’t
            happen your attempts to do so will never fly for Jews.

            I do not go in and try to reinterpret your scripture to justify something for us so please stay out of The Hebrew Bible because you do not know your way around in there without editing the meanings for
            your purposes. We Jews believe God wrote Torah, what you might call The Five Books of Moses, and you have no right or ability to correct or edit God. Stick to your own religion/bible and leave ours alone.

            Before you end with telling me to try to have a good day you say “The other problem with your writes is you use many words that have several meanings , such as Jew , Jewish , Gentile , sometimes a person can be all 3 or more… Paul , in the New Testament calls himself , a Jew , a Benjamite , a Roman … According to you a word means what you want it to mean when you want it to mean IT??????????”.

            The words “Jew , Jewish“ indicate the same kind of person, one of the same religion, they are one in the same as a reference. What is so tough about that? You seen to be looking for problems which do not exist
            when it comes to people who do not see things your ways so you take that apart for whatever you want to justify.

            For Jews the word “Gentile” simple means “a person who is not Jewish”. It is not a put down or insult. “What is so tough about that?”. I do not make these
            things up as you insinuate.

            I know Paul was Jewish. I think anyone who reads the New Testament or has seen movies of the times and the life of Jesus would know that. I never said Paul wasn’t Jewish. What is your point is saying this to
            me? I just think, as many Jews do if they know the story, Paul betrayed God and the Jewish faith with his scriptures since he was Jewish. If he wanted to convert to some other religion, an existing one or one he makes up, why didn’t he just say so? We Jews cannot
            believe he was visited by the Spirit of Jesus on the road to Damascus for several reasons. One huge reason we cannot is if we do believe in Paul’s scriptures we would be saying no to God. We will not do that. We cannot accept Jesus as a replacement for Torah, God’s Laws, or anything else. We just do not want to tell God He is wrong and we do not want him in our lives. Many Jews accept all of God’s Laws as he
            asked of us, not just the ones we or a guy name Paul says are now good enough. That is in Torah if you care to read the Hebrew Bible but how could you since Paul denies the need for Torah?

            How many times do I have to tell you these things before you are capable of understanding it without changing God’s meanings for us? I am not asking you to convert, not at all, just to accept our religion for us, The Jewish people, you know, just like you might want
            your religion to be accepted and respected for you. I do not ask you to change your beliefs. Do you remember “Freedom Of Religion” from The US Constitution. Do you really know what it means? It is
            doubtful with your “writes”.

            Just 2 more points on what you say. You say “King Jesus Christ is also a bloodline Jew,,, The lineage in The OT list that….”. Quickly I want to point out that since Jesus is nowhere mentioned or hinted at in the The Hebrew Bible his bloodline is not mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.

            Next and finally for now. If how your Bible defines Jesus is true, as a demi-god, meaning only one of his parents is human, which means at the most he is only half human so he can only have bloodlined to one
            line before him, you know, like some today are referred to as half breeds. You cannot have it both ways. Either he is all human so he can be full bloodlined through both parents to anyone here or he is not. If he was the demi-god your bible defines him that would bring up a whole lot of reasons why Jesus cannot be the Hebrew Messiah from Hebrew prophesies but there are others which have to do with his accomplishments during life, or rather what he didn’t do while alive to be the Hebrew Messiah per Hebrew Prophecies. Live with it or not but at least stay out or the “redefining other people’s religion and bible” business to justify your business or religion.

            Are we going to go through this again? I guess that depends on how much you allow yourself to respect, if not, understand someone else’s religion or will you go on denying other people’s Constitutional rights as well?

            Shalom. :-)

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, Your Bible stops at Ezra, Nehemiah ? but does that include these 2 books ? We will concentrate on exposing your “”Brainwashing”” with just the books before Ezra , Nehemiah ………………
            Question : Are the people named at , 1 Chronicles 16:13 “Jews” ??? …
            Question : Are the twin sons born at Genesis 25:25, 26 ,,, Esau , Jacob , related or share “”Birth rights””” with the people named at 1 Chronicles 16:13 ???…………….
            Question : Was Joseph , at Genesis 50 , a “”Jew””??? Did Joseph “”Crossbred”” with a Egyptian ???…………………
            OK? Lets read your “”Harmonized ” answer,, IF?,, you can find one or have one???????????

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…Yes, The Hebrew Bible ends, as I said before
            to you, with Ezra / Nehemiah. There are the 3 main sections of the Hebrew Bible – Torah, Prophets and Writings, which ends with Ezra / Nehemiah. Those are the whole of the Hebrew Bible and there is no more after those. No other testaments or bibles, not for the Jewish people.

            With all that said do you really want me to answer your questions? I have your questions now in my notes so all you have to do is say yes or no and you will not have to repeat your questions. I will go by the Hebrew Bible and not the edited versions of it you call “The Old Testament” so do you? Let’s also remember your Old Testament, which came about many hundreds of years, close to a couple of thousand years, after Torah, so the scriptures between yours and mine might not only have different scripture numbers to ID them, which I have often noticed when going from mine to one of yours, but also there could be some editing in your bibles wording which could change the meanings for you in how God meant it when He wrote Torah and offered it to the Israelites through Moses. We do not believe any one man or group of men could write Torah with such accuracy for all those years before them. Did Adam and Eve have writing implements and did man for the many years after them until whenever?

            Here is something you might find interesting from my Bible. See if it in your bible exactly the same as in mine.

            Exodus Chapter 6 שְׁמוֹת

            1 And the LORD said unto Moses: ‘Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh; for by a strong hand shall he let them go, and by a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land.’

            2 And God spoke unto Moses, and said unto him: ‘I am the LORD;

            3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHWH I made Me not known to them.

            4 And I have also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their sojournings, wherein they sojourned.

            5 And moreover I have heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered My covenant.

            Charlie, enough for now. See if it all matches what is in your bible for these verses. Did you notice what God says is his name, in Exodus Chapter 6:3, as YHWH?
            In the Hebrew verse, the original, God says in Exodus
            Chapter 6:3.

            ג וָאֵרָא, אֶל-אַבְרָהָם אֶל-יִצְחָק וְאֶל-יַעֲקֹב–בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי;
            וּשְׁמִי יְהוָה, לֹא נוֹדַעְתִּי לָהֶם.

            This is the original version of Exodus
            Chapter 6:3 and in it God says his name is YHWH. God mentions His name numerous times in numerous ways throughout the Hebrew Bible. I figure because of that God wants us to know His name.

            The following is interesting too but we should remember the word Christ, which was given to him by people, translates to “Lord”, or some say “YEHOVAH is
            Salvation,”. I took the following from
            http://www.hope-of-israel.org/tetragram.html
            so see if it matches up with your bible and teachings. Enjoy.

            Read the parts up to what I include below, you might find that interesting but you must know by now I cannot believe in Jesus so a lot of this as it applies to him and any kind of his future followers I will not accept. It seems there are two different kinds of Jesus Disciples
            with different belief systems, Jewish Disciples as you know from your bibles and later from Christian disciples many years later with different beliefs systems. Why is that? Could the ladder beliefs be
            from Paul’s scriptures and not from Jesus? HHHMMM.

            Gentile Christians Discard the Tetragrammaton

            But Gentile Christians, unlike the Jewish Christians, had no traditional attachment to the Hebrew Tetragrammaton and no doubt often failed to
            even recognize it. Early in the second century A.D., after the last of the apostles had died, the falling away from the true Christian faith foretold by the Messiah and his followers began in earnest. Pagan hilosophies and doctrines infiltrated the congregation of
            believers; sects and divisions arose, and the original purity of faith corrupted. And God’s Name ceased to be used. Gentile scribes, who had never before seen Hebrew writing (especially in its archaic form), stopped preserving the Divine Name. This contributed to the
            use of kyrios and theos for the Tetragrammaton, and toward the end of the first Christian century the
            use of these surrogates crowded out the Hebrew Tetragrammaton in both Testaments.

            Another factor in dropping the Tetragrammaton from the Bible texts is that the Gentile “Christians” did not want to appear Jewish. From 66 A.D. to 135 A.D. there were several Jewish revolts that resulted in severe persecution by Roman authorities upon any who
            appeared Jewish. Most of the Jewish Christians were killed by the Romans, leaving mostly “Gentile” Christians. These Gentile Christians wanted to appease the Roman authorities and gain approval
            amongst Romans in general. To accomplish this they began to discard almost anything that made them look in the least bit Jewish. The Greek philosophies were placed on a par with the Scriptures (see 2 Timothy 6:20-21). Under these circumstances all scriptures containing the Divine Name were destroyed, leaving only copies that contained the substitutes, kyrios or theos.

            The Jews, on the other hand, because of their reverence for the Divine Name, did NOT destroy texts containing the Tetragrammaton. A famous rabbinic passage (Talmud Shabbat 13.5) discusses the problem of destroying “heretical” texts (very probably
            including books of the Jewish Christians). The problem the rabbinic writer has with this is that the heretical texts contained the Divine Name and the wholesale destruction would include the destruction of
            the Divine Name! This further suggests that the Jewish Christians did NOT translate the Divine Name into Greek.

            In later copies of the Septuagint, God’s Name was
            completely removed and words like “God” (The.os’)
            and “Lord” (Ky’ri.os) were substituted.

            The same thing occurred in the “New Testament,” or Christian Greek Scriptures. Professor George Howard makes the following comment: “When the Hebrew form for the divine name was eliminated in favor of Greek substitutes in the Septuagint, it was eliminated also from the New Testament quotations of the Septuagint….Before long the divine name was lost to the Gentile church except insofar as it was reflected in the contracted surrogates or remembered by scholars (BAR, March 1978).

            Therefore, while the Jews refused to pronounce God’s Name, the apostate Christian church managed to remove it completely from Greek language manuscripts of both testaments of the Bible — as well as from other language versions.

            The Messiah’s Disciples

            It should be noted that the so-called Christians who replaced the Tetragrammaton with kyrios in the
            later Septuagint copies, were NOT the early
            disciples of the Messiah. They were people of later centuries, when Paul’s prophesied apostasy was well under way and had corrupted the purity of Christian teachings. States the Insight On the Scriptures —

            “Thus, in the days of Jesus and his disciples the divine name very definitely appeared in copies of the Scriptures, both in Hebrew manuscripts and in Greek manuscripts. Did Jesus and his disciples use
            the divine name in speech and in writing? In view of Jesus’ condemnation of Pharisaic traditions (Mt 15:1-9), it would be highly unreasonable to conclude that Jesus and his disciples let Pharisaic ideas (such as are recorded in the Mishnah) govern them in this
            matter” (Volume 2, p.10).

            The Messiah’s own name means “YEHOVAH is Salvation,” and he thus carries the true Name of the Creator God in his own name. The following Scriptures show, without a doubt, that Yeshua and the writers of the New Testament used the Divine Name:

            MATTHEW 6:9: You, therefore, pray like this: “Our Father in heaven! May YOUR NAME be kept holy.”

            JOHN 5:43: I have come in my FATHER’S NAME, and you don’t accept me; if someone else comes in his own name, him you will accept.

            JOHN 12:28: “Father, glorify YOUR NAME!” At
            this a bat-kol [heavenly voice] came out of heaven,
            “I have glorified it before, and I will glorify it again!

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, you did not answer any question ,,, you jumped off on about 3 things that have very little to do with My questions …. Plus at least 1 Lie thrown in ,,, the lie of your Bible ,,,what ever that is ,,, being written hundreds of years before The “Normal” Bible written from “Original” texts was written… You messed up so much “Normal” Scriptures ,,,, but ,,, did not touch My “Scriptural” questions… You have surely been duped , deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be………………………

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I am now answering your insulting questions but you have to read all of this to get to them and then I critique you. Enjoy if you know how and if you want your answers or if all you enjoy is insulting people
            who will not agree with you..

            Do you have any idea how annoying you are? And you go right to insulting my religion. I said and asked you “With all that said do you really want me to answer your questions? I have your questions now in my notes so all you have to do is say yes or no and you will not have to repeat your questions. I will go by the Hebrew
            Bible and not the edited versions of it you call “The
            Old Testament” so do you?” It was you who didn’t answer my questions.

            Did you miss my question or did you ignore it? You deserve no answers for your insults but I will answer you anyway since I have your questions and if you find they are insulting to you who cares, you are to much
            of an insulting ass to care how you feel. The King James version was published along with their editing and interpretations in the, well let’s see what century:

            “The King James Version (KJV), commonly known as the Authorized Version(AV) or King James Bible (KJB),
            is an English translation of the Christian Biblefor
            the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611.[2] First printed by the King’s Printer Robert
            Barker,[3][4] this was the third translation into Englishto be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great Biblecommissioned
            in the reign of King Henry VIII, and the second was the Bishops’ Bible of 1568.[5] In January 1604, King
            James I convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans,[6] a
            faction within the Church of England.[7]

            Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
            if you really know how to read and want and want to know.

            Your KJV was very much like the Catholic bible except for the books the James People didn’t want in their version and the editing for their own purposes. There were a few earlier published Protestant versions
            of the Christian bible, totally unrelated to your KJV, so your King James people were not original in that regard either.

            Try this concerning the Catholic Bible and see how many hundreds of years earlier their’s was published before the KJV. The Hebrew Bible was first around Moses’ time so whose bible is a, your word to me about the Hebrew Bible. “Plus at least 1
            Lie thrown in ,,, the lie of your Bible ,,,what ever that is ,,,
            being written hundreds of years before The “Normal” Bible written from “Original” texts was written.”

            Go
            to http://www.cathtruth.com/catholicbible/earlyhis.htm
            To see things about when the Catholic Bible was published like

            “EARLY HISTORY OF THE BIBLE

            The original writings from the Apostles themselves (the autographs) no longer exist.

            This is due partly to the perishable material (papyrus) used by the writers, and partly to the fact that the Roman emperors decreed the destruction of the sacred books of the Christians (Edict of Diocletian, A.D. 303).

            Before translating the Bible into Latin, St. Jerome had already translated into more common languages
            enough books to fill a library. (Saint Jerome, Maisie Ward, Sheed & Ward; A Companion to Scripture Studies, Steinmuller.)

            In the year 383, he revised the Latin New Testament text in accordance with some Greek manuscripts. Between the years 390 and 406 he translated the Old Testament directly from the Hebrew, and this completed work is known today as the “Old Latin Vulgate”. The work had been requested by Pope Damasus, and Copies of St. Jerome’s Latin
            Vulgate appeared uncorrupted as late as the 11th century, with some revisions by St. Peter Damian and Lanfranc. (Catholic Encyclopedia, “Place of the Bible in the Church”, C.U.A.)

            So your King James bible is a faint copy at best. And if you knew one of the main reasons the King James people from his court who worked on his bible, because of the life and times of King James, you might
            throw up when you learn what kind of discussing pig King James really was. They wanted the world to remember James in ways other than how he conducted his life so they published a bible in his name. He was a huge sinful embarrassment to them.

            The Hebrew bible was around hundreds of years before the Catholic Bible, see below about Moses and the Israelites as to when Torah was offered to them and received, and it will never include any kind of Christian bible or anything about your Jesus – NEVER.

            So if you want to insult the Hebrew Bible what can we say about your copies and reedited versions of what you call “The Old Testament” and then your KJV re-copy of “The New Testament”. Who is the liar
            here (again you calling me and my bible the liars with “Plus at least 1 Lie thrown in ,,, the lie of your Bible ,,,what ever that is”. Yours is no way original, loaded with editing and taken out books in your New Testament part as well as editing to the “Old
            Testament” parts as well, so how can you refer to it as “The “Normal” Bible written from “Original” texts was
            written…” How can you even suggest your KJV is “Normal” when it is so edited and changed from earlier versions? What is “Normal” to you in that? It would be like you taking an original version of “The old Man and the Sea” or “Gone With the Wind” and editing
            them so it fits your desires for them and you put your own name on it. “The King Charlie versions of whatever”.

            I was trying to give you other things to think about while you considered answering my questions, nothing more than that. But let’s do this now. Here is your original comment with your questions.

            Charlie (Guest):

            Mac ,,, Your Bible stops at Ezra, Nehemiah ? but does that include these 2 books ? We will concentrate on exposing your “”Brainwashing”” with just the books before Ezra , Nehemiah
            ………………
            Question : Are the people named at , 1 Chronicles 16:13 “Jews” ??? … Question : Are
            the twin sons born at Genesis 25:25, 26 ,,, Esau , Jacob , related or share “”Birth rights””” with the people named at 1 Chronicles 16:13 ???…………….
            Question : Was Joseph , at Genesis 50 , a “”Jew””??? Did Joseph “”Crossbred”” with a Egyptian
            ???………………… OK? Lets read your “”Harmonized
            ” answer,, IF?,, you can find one or have one???????????

            1:36 p.m., Wednesday Sept. 25

            “Mac ,,, Your Bible stops at Ezra, Nehemiah ? but does that include these 2 books ?

            Charlie,WOW, I told you it ends with those two books but you then ask me if it includes them. Are you for real?

            Charlie, I told you many times I go by the Hebrew Bible, not your version called “The Old Testament”, and I do not believe in any version of the “New Testament”. You go by yours and that is your right, see how that works with equal Liberty according to the US Constitution?

            Your questions but answered from my Bible – The Hebrew Bible –

            “Question : Are the people named at , 1 Chronicles 16:13 “Jews” ??? …”

            1 Chronicles Chapter 16:13 – 13 -O ye seed of Israel His servant, ye children of Jacob, His chosen ones.

            Well Charlie I see there is an obvious answer to your question. Children of Jacob, later called Israel by God, are Jews. DUH

            Your Question answered from the Hebrew Bible – Are the twin sons born at Genesis 25:25, 26 ,,, Esau , Jacob , related or share “”Birth rights””” with the people named at 1 Chronicles 16:13 ???…………….

            Genesis Chapter 25:20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah, the daughter of Bethuel the Aramean, of Paddan-aram, the sister of Laban the Aramean, to be his wife.

            Genesis Chapter 25:21 And Isaac entreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren; and the LORD let Himself be entreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

            Genesis Chapter 25:22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said: ‘If it be so, wherefore do I live?’ And she went to inquire of the LORD.

            Genesis Chapter 25:23 And the LORD said unto her: Two nations are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall
            serve the younger.

            Genesis Chapter 25:24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

            Genesis Chapter 25:25 And the first came forth ruddy, all over like a hairy mantle; and they called his name Esau.

            Genesis Chapter 25:26And after that came forth his brother, and his hand had hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob. And Isaac was
            threescore years old when she bore them.

            Charlie, I included Genesis Chapter 25:20-24 in with the verses you asked about so my answers wouldn’t be taken out of context and confuse you too much. So, let’s see, the babies born to Issac and Rebekah were
            twins. Jews is a relative term for back then. Abraham was the first Jew so in descendant/biological terms the twins, being Isaac’s children and Abraham’s grand lids, are Jewish by birth. What they each decide to be when they reach the age of self decision is up to them but God said “Two nations are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels” in Genesis Chapter 25:23. In a way those descendant of Esau are descendants of Jews but no doubt Issac was a Jew and then Jacob and on and on. How is that Charlie? :-).

            Your next and last question – Question : Was Joseph , at Genesis 50 , a “”Jew””??? Did Joseph “”Crossbred””
            with a Egyptian ???…………………

            Genesis 50 , the last chapter of Genesis – Well, since Joseph, one of the famed 12 sons of Jacob/Israel, was Jewish, no doubt. Do you remember the “Coat of many colors”? Since you are a fantasy know-it-all why don’t you ask Joseph if he had relations with an Egyptian woman. There was so much cross breeding in the old days by so many people. I’m not a descendant of Joseph’s so who knows but I am told I am descendant of one of Joseph’s brothers. I’m not telling you who
            specifically because you are an insult.

            Remember this Charlie or know it now? “God “remembered His covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob,” made Himself known to Moses and rescued the Israelites from Egypt. By this time the nation numbered “600,000 men on foot” which is usually understood to be military-aged men excluding women and children.

            At Mount Sinai, the Israelite nation is given its laws and regulations – the Torah – and affirms their covenant with God. After wandering for 40 years in the desert under the leadership of Moses, the twelve tribes enter the land of Canaan with Joshua in command”.

            And you Charlie want us to believe Paul and say no to God. Not going to happen – EVER.

            Now to end this with you and your insulting questions. Exposing whose brainwashing? You do that yourself with your Nazi-like “Only My beliefs are right and you have to be wrong if you will not agree with me” attitude. I tell how we Jews believe but I never tell others
            they are wrong or how to believe for themselves in their beliefs or that others should come over to our side. You are a fraud when it comes to The US Constitution and Liberty in general. You do not seem
            to accept other people’s “Freedom Of Religion” so you are a hypocrite if you claim to be for Liberty for all equally as the Constitution offers. You are worse than Nazis in that because they say who they are and we know their evil but you hide behind a cloak of respectability, well more than just one. There is nothing respectable about you.

            Who has been really duped Charlie? I’m not the one.

            Shalom Charlie. :-)

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, the reason I ask the same question over is to get info that I think you said verified a second or third time,,, which must be done with a “baffle them bull ” type person such as your self… Notice, even in The KJV Bible , God repeats His Words as much 3 or 4 times , No one can say The Bible does not say “”Certain””” Laws , Names , etc…
            World Bible “”Experts”” agree or approve that The KJV is The Words of God ,,, BUT,,, that does NOT mean there are absolutely no “”errors”” ,,,, The Bible itself tells you how to expose errors and to arrive at “”Absolute”” Truth…
            Read Psalms 119;160 , it gives you The Bible equation for Truth… SO? when anyone tries to rewrite History , regarding what The Bible says ,,, they are going to have a very difficult time “”fooling”” some “Christians” that have received “The Gift of The Holy Spirit ” as written of at Acts 2:38 …. BUT since you have Not accomplished Acts 2:38 as spoken by Peter ,,, AND ,,, Peter was delegated ” The Keys to The Kingdom and some other powers from King Jesus Christ at Matthew 16:19 … SO? it appears from your writings the last few months that you are one of the people named at 1 John 2:22, 23………………… Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You are still not getting it and why is that? Every religion is guaranteed “Freedom Of Religion” in our Constitution for all our citizens. That means equally for everyone. That is what you continue to miss.

            Just because, as you say “World Bible
            “”Experts”” agree or approve that The KJV is The
            Words of God ,,, BUT,,, that does NOT mean there are absolutely no “”errors”” ,,,, The Bible itself tells you how to expose errors and to arrive at “”Absolute””
            Truth…” doesn’t mean you can contradict the US Constitution. These are probably Christians you call “World Bible “”Experts”” so what do you expect them to say? They are most likely pushing their own religious agendas as you are. They may not have any respect
            for other religions as you do not but they are going by how they believe just as you. I bet the Founders of the US would shut you down. Aren’t your “experts’ Christian? What else would you expect from them?

            For the millionth time Charlie. I go by the Hebrew Bible and Jewish teachings. You can go by your teachings and beliefs all you want, you too are guaranteed that from the Constitution and God with His Free Will thing. Why do you insist every one who does not agree with your beliefs has to be wrong?

            God does repeat his words and meanings several times throughout the Hebrew Bible too. He wants us to know what He is telling us. And because of that, from what is in The Hebrew Bible, we Jews CANNOT believe in or worship Jesus or any other entity that is not the single entity that is God. Jesus is only a man to us so why do you go on insisting that we disobey God in His many ways of telling us in our bible?

            Following is from The 10 Commandants, which is part of Torah and something that God wants us to obey all of, not just the parts we choose. Again, your Paul had to know Jews would not go along with his Gospels, not
            at all.

            Commandment 1 – “Thou shall have no other gods before Me”

            What do you think that means Charlie? That means nothing else can we believed in to the point of worship and prayer, not even demi-gods, those conceived by a god and a mortal, assuming for just a tiny moment they really ever existed. Would you worship or pray to
            Hercules or Pan or any satyr if your bible told you to? They too are demi-gods, why not worship and pray to them too?

            Commandment 2- “Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image”

            What do you think that means Charlie? “graven image can be subjective. It can be a tree or a rock or the sun. It can be a statue some person has carved or it can be represented by a person but the point is if we Jewish humans choose to worship anything at all other than God Himself, man-made or not, we are in violation of the Second Commandment. By the way, demi-god means by definition “less than God” as well and not God.

            Charlie, what do you think angered God so much in the Golden Calf Story? We see God’s anger stemming from a few things. Yeah, for the ways those involved with the golden calf were conducting themselves around it in their celebrations, no doubt. But we Jews see God’s main reason for his anger from their praying and worshiping something that was not God Himself, and something that is less than God. God was going
            to kill them all, thus it is a mortal to worship and pray to anything that is not the single entity that is God (and guess who that includes to Jews), and continue to look for a worthy people who would accept all of His laws, not just the ones they choose. But Moses prayed and pleaded with God not to kill them and God showed mercy but God still punished the guilty generation.

            We Jews also see that golden calf as a symbol, not just a fixed image, with more than one meaning. To many Jews that calf represents anything that is not God himself. Just a point that needs expressing
            here. God is a single entity, perhaps with many names, that does not come in parts. The Trinity is a violation of our belief in monotheism. Again, violating the 2nd Commandant and the first as well.

            By the way Charlie, do you know how God punished that guilty worshiping-praying-to Israelite generation for the golden calf thing? What did they go through because of their sins and what were they deprived of?

            Psalms Chapter 119 and 120, I have read them. I feel you are working your beliefs into them to justify what it is about your Christianity. I strongly feel with how the Hebrew Bible has been edited and in part reinterpreted through the different Christian versions of your “Old Testament” there is some Psalms being “reinterpreted”. I also feel as it is at times in the New Testament Jesus’ words are being
            taken out of context. For example when Jesus might say “only through me can you enter the gates of Heaven”. See Charlie, one of the things many religious leaders, be they Catholic Priests-Protestant Ministers-Rabbis-Muslims Imams, have in common is that when they preach they tend to quote their respective scriptures with their religion’s interpretations. I believe when Jesus might say what is as a possible wording for him, mentioned above in this paragraph, is that as a rabbi he was quoting God from Torah and not
            speaking of himself. Jesus, as a rabbi, would know it is a sin to represent himself as God and with the abilities afforded only to God. Sorry Charlie, you brought up Psalms and truth and that is how I see
            the truth in this.

            You bring up”.. BUT since you have Not accomplished Acts2:38 as spoken by Peter ,,, AND ,,, Peter was delegated ” The Keys to The Kingdom and some other powers from King Jesus Christ at Matthew 16:19 … SO? it appears from your writings the last few months that you are one of the people named at 1 John 2:22,
            23……………….”

            Charlie, who are these guys and what bible or even what testament are they in? Yes, I know who those guys are since I have read your bible but I am just making a point here. How can I see any credibility in you when you bring up stuff from a testament/bible which is not mine to believe? How can you still not get that, after the “last few months”, and claim your IQ is higher than that of a handball’s? I am one of what people John claims? He too is not in my bible as isn’t
            Peter and Mathew and especially not your Jesus. Jesus was NEVER a Hebrew Messiah or a Hebrew King or even a Hebrew prophet. Jesus is nowhere in the Hebrew Bible. Why do you insist on throwing stuff at
            me which I do not believe? You have to start learning how logic works because you do defy it as often as you do. I see so much “The Gospels according to Charlie” in your writings but you are not alone, there are others like you. Get over your anti-Jewish feelings
            and show the respect for how other people, whatever their religion, accept and believe and worship God if you ever want respect for how you believe. IF you have any respect for the US Constitution you have
            a lousy way of showing that too.

            Meanwhile Charlie… All I am saying is – To each his/her own faith with equality. Do you even know what that means, assuming you understand at all what “Freedom Of Religion” means?

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, how about bringing in your Kitchen sink ,,, you have just about brought everything else into this debate that has nothing to do with “Truth” ….
            The Constitution is a “”Commercial Document”” which is only used when “They” want to …. It in NO WAY over rules The Bible … The original text used in The KJV is thousands of years older than any Johnny come lately Jew writing … You have failed to define this Jew thing according to The Bible definitions …. The word Jew comes from the Tribe of Judah ,,, Abraham was not a Jew ,,, bloodline Jews did not even exist until the Man “Judah” created some lineage and took his area of land…
            Since you don’t want to recognize 1 John 2:22 because it IDs you as part of The Anti -Christ ,,, since you are in denial of King Jesus Christ , Son of The Almighty God ….
            The God in your Bible IS NOT The Almighty God that King Jesus Christ names in Matthew 4 as being His Father , when He rebuked the Devils Temptations with OT written words … At Genesis 2:15 , notice God made Adam a “”Farmer”” ,,, how many Farmer Jews have you ever known??? I grew up in farm and cattle country and NEVER heard of a Cowboy or Farmer being a Jew… Truth is Truth , no matter if you know it or believe it … The Whole Bible harmonizes with itself … Many people have rejected some Scriptures , which makes them out of harmony with God’s Words and King Jesus Christ….. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I know what the Constitution is. I was bringing it in to show what you are not about.

            “…Johnny come lately Jew writing”? Well as usual you show you are a big*ot and cannot stand to be disagreed with. I cannot deal with your hate or ignorance any longer.

            You go on showing you have no concept of logic and you cannot deal with that either. You always show you have no respect for religions other than yours.

            You are the liar if you say Abraham was not a Jew. You cannot come along, as with your “Johnny come lately” thing, and discount that Abraham was approached by God and he was the first Jew. God told him he would father great nations. You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to Jews or Jewish history as per the Hebrew Bible. If you have no respect for our bible and for the Hebrew teachings going back thousands of years you deserve no respect at all.

            You go to the insult, why is that? Is it out of frustration when you aren’t believed or agreed with? What a small arrogant spoiled child you are. I tried to keep this clean with you but you are not worth mit. You do not understand the laws of logic when you continue to use
            your bible as proof of anything to a person who does not believe in Jesus or your bible. Stupid continues to do as stupid does. It shows how ignorant you are when you do and I told you about this logic thing many times.

            So since you are so insulting of my religion here goes. Stick your head back up your butt and see and learn only from what you see passing through.

            The only things I have failed to do with you is disgrace my religion, insult and say no to God and join you in your beliefs. Those things will never happen because I will never say no to God nor will I disgrace my religion.

            You said here “The God in your Bible IS NOT The Almighty God that King Jesus Christ names in Matthew 4 as being His Father , when He rebuked the Devils Temptations with OT written words … At Genesis 2:15 ,
            notice God made Adam a “”Farmer”” ///”

            Who cares what you say in the quote of yours in the last paragraph if the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is not the God of your fake Hebrew Messiah but those are only your words. Truthfully I do not think you
            know what a rabbi is for you to say something that dumb. Your words say you do not know what Jesus spent his life learning and serving and teaching. There were many other fake Hebrew Messiahs in the past and yours may just be the most famous fake. Again, Jesus was never a Hebrew King as well as his never being the Hebrew Messiah and he will never be just because NON-Jews say so. Stay out of the Hebrew Bible and my religion you insult. Live with it you ignorant bi*got and get lost.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Check in The KJV to find out when the word “Jew” is used ,,, you will find it used in the book of Esther 2:5 ,,, which is AFTER Ezra , Nehemiah ,,,, SO? can you explain that away without very much vulgarity and using the KJV and NO reference to your Johnny come lately piece of junk Jew bible ??? Come on!!! here’s your chance to show off your superior , harmonized Bible IQ..
            BTW ,,, the guy referred to in Esther is a “Benjamite” …
            Benjamin was the second and last son of Rachel , who was Jacob Israel’s favorite wife , that died birthing Benjamin …. AND ,,, Benjamin was a blood brother to Judah ,,,and Judah was the guy the word “”Jew”” came from … Notice,,,. before you use any heavy vulgarity , read 1 Chronicles 16:22 ,,, which should be in your Bible,,, that’s the part that is NOT junk since your Bible is a mix n match of many things ,,, BECAUSE .,,, I am gifted by Acts 2:38 as a modern day Prophet ,,,AND,,, Acts 2:38 also gives The “”Salvation”” of King Jesus Christ ,,,SO?,,, IF? you want to challenge The Salvation of King Jesus Christ , Come ON!!!
            Meanwhile ,,, Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Charlie

            BTW,,, I almost forgot to mention ,,,that ,,, The Bible is NOT a “”Religion””,,,, IT IS A Way of Life,,, see that at John 14:6 ,,, and other places……………….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You go on showing your bigotry with statements like “SO? can you explain that away without very much vulgarity and using the KJV and NO reference to your Johnny come lately piece of junk Jew bible ???”

            Why should I go to your bible, a bible I do not believe in, just to prove something, anything, to the likes of you? You are still not getting the concept of logic, Charlie. You do not have any kind of respect for other religions, you do not respect the God Of Abraham, Issac and Jacob so who do you think your Jesus prayed to and worshiped? if you do not see he prayed to the God of the Hebrew Bible, or as you refer to it as my “Johnny come lately piece of junk Jew bible ???”. It was the very same bible Jesus learned from and preached from and taught from but you call what was important to Jesus a “Johnny come lately piece of junk Jew bible ???”

            Good for you but you do not remember that I have no need to prove anything to the likes of you, not at all. Not religiously or politically, or anything else to anyone for that matter. I just like sharing with others but never do I have a need to be believed or to change anyone;s beliefs or mind.

            If Jesus is who you claim then he knows you are insulting and defiling his bible. Torah is from God and you insult it as you insult God.

            As I said, you are not worth the effort. Your Jesus, in your mind, is watching you and he will shut you down when you leave this world for insulting God as well as the bible Jesus carried. :-). Is it getting intolerably hot for you yet? It will soon enough. :-).

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, more non Scripture babelon ,,, you have convicted yourself by your own words of denial of King Jesus Christ as The Son of The Almighty God…………..
            Meanwhile ,,, Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing,,,, Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…. WOW, you just do not quit with your BS. I have convinced myself that what makes the most sense to me, from a religious point of view, is what and how the Hebrew Bible and the Jewish religion was taught to me and many millions of other Jews over any other religion. Your Jesus as a Hebrew Messiah denies what God says to us in the Torah. Your Jesus violates the First two of the 10 Commandments to us. Trinity violates our believe in monotheism. Do you get it yet?

            I am not going to share any more Hebrew scripture with you because your tiny mind will not accept what is true for the Jewish people. Your New Testament so very much contradicts our Bible and it is a waste of
            time trying to share intelligently with someone such as you. I have also seen how there are differences in the Hebrew Bible and your versions of the “Old Testament” but how you cannot accept other
            people’s rights to their beliefs makes you no longer worth it. I have seen the differences in the 10 Commandants, which comes from Torah, and our version is the same that was given to Moses for us.

            I will no longer exchange or explain Hebrew scripture with you and for sure, since I will not say no to God to convert to your ways I will not look any longer at your New Testament scripture coming from you. From what I see you are a disgrace and an embarrassment to all
            Christan faiths. You are an insult in the personal sense to yourself so please back off with the total of your microscopic mind’s knowledge and total lack of respect for anyone else’s faiths which can’t be seen or measured with the most powerful of atomic microscopes. I give up with you.

            Consider this. If you say Jesus was Jewish and a rabbi then I do not have to show you scripture in your bible to know he spent his life learning, preaching and teaching Torah, the same Torah I have been trying to explain to you from the Jewish point of view. If you
            continue to deny that he did you are a hypocrite and a liar along with not being worth knowing or conversing with any longer. You also seem to deny reality in that Jewish/rabbi and denying his Torah teaching and preaching thing. Stay out of the Hebrew Bible, you are an insult to God and it as well as how Jesus probably taught Torah.

            Try this if it wont burn your eyes out.
            http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

            This site will hopefully explain why Jews CANNOT accept Jesus for anything, except perhaps a man from history, and hopefully I wont have to any more.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            stepping into the Nut-case Charlie continuum again?

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Bob666… Yeah I guess I am. He too is an insult to his own religion and to the Constitution. I guess I feel the need to respond to his non acceptance of my religious rights and his insults. Why are there so many people like him who claim they love Liberty and Americanism? Hypocrisy is rampant, :-)

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, Can you prove a Nut – case to be a Nut Case with any “”Authoritative”” documents of “Evidence”???
            Mac has the same problem ,,, “he can’t prove what he writes”… Most yo yoes can yo yo their jaws ,,, but ,,, so what ??? Historical , documented , “”Truth””” are very hard to prove to be anything else …………………………….

          • Bob666

            Yo Nutcase,
            If you had a clear and lucid ability to think or reason-all you would have to do is read any of the strange and disjointed post that you make here on this site.

            The “documentation” of your being a nutcase is in the words that you write.

          • Bob666

            Yo Nutcase,
            If you had a clear and lucid ability to think or reason-all you would have to do is read any of the strange and disjointed post that you make here on this site.

            The “documentation” of your being a nutcase is in the words that you write.

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,,, pick one out and lets dissect it ,, to see IF? you are as smart as you think …………………..

          • Bob666

            Nutcase,
            Not going to waste my time with you.

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, WE KNOW THAT “TROUBLEMAKERS” ONE PERCENT IN AMERICA AND BEYOND ARE THE PEOPLE WHO USING A SEVEN TONGS?….LA,LA,LA…..

          • KG

            WTF??

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD REMEMBER A GOOD MAN LIKE A JESUS CHRIST AND, NOBODY REMEMBER HITLER AS A ONE OF THE WORST FECES IN THE WORLD. THIS IS REALITY WHO NOBODY CAN CHANGE PEOPLE’S MIND. AMEN!

        • LINDITA

          AS PEOPLE, OBAMA DID IT ALREADY WITH ME. INSTEAD TO TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY I’M SPENDING MY TIME TELLING OBAMA AND HIS FRIENDS YOUR WAY DOESN’T WORK FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE? WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR YOU ANYMORE. WE DON’T TRUST YOU WE ARE NOT SAFE WITH YOU. MOVE YOUR BUS!

          • macgyver1948

            Why are you screaming???

          • LINDITA

            I’M SINGING A COUNTRY SONG WHO 99 PERCENT LIKE THAT SONG. AMEN!

          • LINDITA

            I’M SINGING A COUNTRY SONG WHO 99 PERCENT LIKE THAT SONG. AMEN!

          • macgyver1948

            99 percent of what? I didn’t know this was a country song because I am not big on country music but I like some. They lyrics read very much like they are programmed for some one sided purpose. Only those who already agree with you might like this song. So much for “99%”.

          • LINDITA

            LET GIVE TO ONE PERCENT ROOT IN TRIBE GREEK 25 PERCENT FROM 99 PERCENT. SO, 74 PERCENT LIKE A COUNTRY SONG, LIKE AMERICA, LIKE A JOY, LIKE A JOB, LIKE A FREEDOM, LIKE PATRIOTS, LIKE HEROES, LIKE HONEST BUSH FAMILY TO LEAD AMERICA. AMEN!

          • macgyver1948

            LINDITA… Oh wow you are screaming again. Is this another country song? Your percentages do not make sense and I am not sure what you mean by Greek, or should I say “GREEK”?

            I think liking a joy is natural by definition unless one is a masochists. Liking a job is a good thing and can be a JOY even though there are so many who do not like their jobs and that is not a “JOY”. Freedom is especially great to have and love. It is nice to like
            PATRIOTS if they respect all the rights of others equally to how they respect their own and want for themselves. Heroes are always liked by those they were heroes for, including themselves.

            What I cannot understand is “LIKE HONEST BUSH FAMILY TO LEAD AMERICA.AMEN!”. I find it strange to see the word “HONEST” next to the wording “ BUSH FAMILY”… The reasons – Sr bush, for example,
            lied to the Iraqi people in a way that got over 100,000 of them to be murdered by their nasty. Ruler, the Saddam in the Gulf War or “The First Iraq War”. Oh, do you remember his campaign (scream) pledge
            to us to help get him elected? In his campaign he screamed at us “READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES”. Then one of the first things he did after being elected was to add to our tax burden. That made him a
            one term president because people believed him the first time. So much for “ HONEST BUSH FAMILY” in the Senior. He lost his second attempt at the White House and some say it is because we cannot trust what he says,

            Then, to get us into the current Iraq War, which is still costing us a huge amount of money today, the tiny bush lied through his teeth to us, to Congress, to the United Nations and the world to get us to do his
            immoral invasion. So many Americans killed and wounded, some crippled for life, not to speak of all the innocent Iraqis we were supposed to be liberating, and all that drain on American budgets and taxes. (The Iraqi Wart), “what are we fighting for” there? So
            how can you justify saying ““LIKE HONEST BUSH FAMILY TO LEAD AMERICA. AMEN!” and act like we all should believe what you say?

            Let’s also remember it was the little bush administration and Home Land Security who has violated our rights by allowing them to do
            eavesdropping on any and all our phone conversations without warrants. That has led the way for online eavesdropping. I do not trust any “ BUSH FAMILY TO LEAD AMERICA. AMEN!”. Never into war,
            never to work on our economy, etc, we are still hurting from bush economic policies today, never to ever be a dog catcher for a small village. When it comes to the “ BUSH FAMILY”, “ HONEST” my watchful and very concerned American “,,,”. AMEN…

            Could it really be a country song? Of what country?

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT NOBODY TRUST YOU DUE TO, COWARD TERRORIST ATTACK ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 ALL OF US WERE WITNESSES WHO CAME FIRST IN AMERICA TO KILL 3000 PEOPLE USED TO WORK IN A WORLD STREET CENTER? PRESIDENT BUSH AND OUR MILITARY WENT IN IRAQ FOLLOWING TERRORISTS CRIMINALS TO THEIR CAVE. SO, WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO HATE AMERICA, WHY, FOR WHAT WE LEARNED THAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A ROOT IN GIPSY PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK HATE AMERICA, HATE JOY, HATE A GOD. HITLER HAS BEEN GIPSY ROOT IN A GREEK TOO AND. ALL OF THEM ONE PERCENT IN AMERICA AND BEYOND ARE HITLER FOLLOWERS. THEY WANT TO INSTALL FASCISM IN AMERICA AND BEYOND. THIS IS THE TRUTH.

          • macgyver1948

            LINDITA… Oh wow, this too from you is funny if we see the humor in it and I am not sure it is intentional.

            Just going by your wording here. Your first paragraph – “AS PEOPLE, YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT NOBODY TRUST YOU DUE TO, COWARD TERRORIST ATTACK ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 ALL OF US WERE WITNESSES WHO CAME FIRST IN AMERICA TO KILL 3000 PEOPLE USED TO WORK IN A WORLD STREET CENTER”. I figure you mean the World Trade Center.

            Your wording “NOBODY TRUST YOU DUE TO, COWARD TERRORIST ATTACK ON
            SEPTEMBER 11” seems to have you say I am responsible for the attack and nobody trusts me. Thank you for that. LOL.

            It turned out to be almost 3000 people who were evilly murdered but I bet the terrorists were hoping for many more in their evil ways.

            Next you say “PRESIDENT BUSH AND OUR MILITARY WENT IN IRAQ FOLLOWING TERRORISTS CRIMINALS TO THEIR CAVE. SO, WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO HATE AMERICA, WHY, FOR WHAT WE LEARNED THAT ALL”. First off the little bush didn’t go anywhere. As for the rest of that sentence of yours it
            has been pretty much proven soon after the immoral invasion of Iraq that Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack on us plus there were no weapons of mass destruction there any more and Iraq was never
            a threat to America. It was known for a while before the attack on us Al-qaeda and Saddam hated each other and couldn’t work together. Al-qaeda stated they hated Saddam because he was a criminal, a thug
            and a sinner. Also Al-qaeda didn’t like the idea that Saddam wouldn’t allow Al-qaeda to hide and train in Iraq. Imagine that. These things were often enough in the news and spoken of one both political and press conferences before and after the 9/11 attacks.

            So much of the rest of your comment here is hilarious and it makes for poor fantasy writing and perhaps a b-rated script for science fiction. If you read history at all the hate and the fear in so many of the middle eastern people comes from way back, no body knows for
            sure when it started. Many Islamic people in the Middle East are still telling horror stories about the Church’s Jihad known as the Crusades. But it can back perhaps when their Prophet Mohammad didn’t like the idea that Christians and Jews in the area wouldn’t accept
            Mohammad as God’s Prophet. Who really knows when it started since it is anybody’s guess. It hasn’t help us in more recent history as Westerners took over and occupied many Middle Eastern countries.

            Yes there are people in this country who praise Hitler but thank God they are few and hopefully they will not grow in number but instead dwindle out all together. Do you know any Greek people? I bet you do not know many. The ones I have met over my life time were nice decent God-loving people. For you to generalize in your insulting of them is deplorable and bigoted. What has an Greek person done to you to show so much hate toward them?

            Hopefully anti-God and anti-human idealisms such as Fascism and Communism, or any other ism, religious or political, which will deny individual liberty and freedom for all equally, will never flourish in America, or affect our law making, but it doesn’t help to fight hate with hate as you seem to be doing.

            Shalom LINDITA…

          • LINDITA

            BREAK A NECK “TROUBLEMAKER”. LA,LA,LA…..

          • macgyver1948

            Lindita… Wow, is this all there is too you? You are way to silly to be taken seriously… LA,LA,LA— LOL

          • LINDITA

            DID YOUR MOTHER BORN ANY SILLY?…

          • macgyver1948

            LINDITA… WOW, what does your comment mean? lol…

            I am very sorry I approached you to begin with but I thought there could be intelligent conversation with you, why since then I do not know. It seems you are only a programmed insult machine who cannot phrase her sentences intelligently. My excuse is I type to fast and I am a lousy typist and speller, you are just not all there, there are instructions missing in your programming…. Sorry I bothered you to begin with.

          • LINDITA

            THE FACTS ARE MORE STUBBORN THAN YOUR POORNESS. YOUR TRIBE ROOT IN A GREEK IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT PROGRAMMING TEACHER’S BRAIN TO THE ROBOT. IT’S ALL ABOUT YOUR ADVENTURE. ROBOT DESIGN IN TRIBE’S DOCUMENT WILL BE GREAT. LA,LA,LA….

          • macgyver1948

            LINDITA… Is this too from one of your country music songs? I suppose when you say my “POORNESS” you are not speaking to my financial situation but in stead to my character, and I will assume you assuming I have
            none. :-)

            My “TRIBE ROOT”, huh. What is it doing in a “GREEK”? I never thought of programming the brain of a teacher, only computers. :-) . What “ROBOT”? Could it be R2D2 or Data from Startrek or the cute one from Weird Science? I agree, “ROBOT DESIGN” will be “GREAT” some day as they improve the work on the cybernetics and artificial intelligence. I just hope a “TRIBE’S DOCUMENT will also be great (?). hehehehe

            Awww yes, The my “ADVENTURE”. I have often enjoyed my “ADVENTURE”, sometime even more then the goal or the finish line. That is unless it is about a lottery or other kind of cash contest. Or even in ways
            to help others. In those cases I want the money much more than the “ADVENTURE”. :-)… Thank you for all your kind words. LOL.

            LA,LA,LA….
            (LMAO)

          • LINDITA

            HEHEHEHE LAUGH A HAPPY FLY!…

        • rbrooks

          great post. this has been ongoing in this country for several decades.

          little bush gave us homeland security and the patriot act. both are detailed by hitler in mein kampf.
          this is done by both party’s.
          a little late to be blaming the current crook.

          btw- the indoctrination of children is a bit older than hitler.

          give me a child till 7 and i will give you the man.

          you must be taught. the younger the better.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            bush did not do the things obama is doing now

          • rbrooks

            another poor demented fool living in denial. obama is exactly like bush.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            [expletive deleted] rbrooks. if that were true, id like obama.

          • macgyver1948

            Nope to a point but the little bush did his won things, as well and all the things he was told to do, to hurt those who are not very wealthy and the big corporations.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            what things? wth are you talking about?

          • macgyver1948

            stephanie wilson … I apologize for my typo. When I typed “bush did his won things” I typoed on the word “won” which should have been the word “own”. The little bush did many things to screw us up and cost us loads of money and lives.. How many Americans lives were lost in the immoral Iraq invasion to this day compared to how many lives Obama lost since he became president? Even one life is too many but the bush numbers are rather high. Also we are still paying for bush economic disasters today.

            Forget bush for the moment and considering a present potential emergency. . IF The TP/GOP get to shut down the government down so many Americans will be hurting, some very severely. There will be millions of Americans who will know the degree of apathy for us the TP/GOP have if the shutdown takes place. IF they hate ObamaCare so much they should find compassionate and responsible ways to get rid of ObamaCare and not hurt us so much.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

            i dont see whats immoral about ridding the world of the butcher of baghdad. im so glad bush did that. bush did not screw us. liberal policies he got stuck w/ did. housing bubble which killed our economy was created in the 90’s. bush warned congress numerous times about it. no one cared! the gop just released their alternative to obamacare. you must have missed it. as 4 the typo, dont worry about it, ive done that too., ;lol

          • macgyver1948

            stephanie wilson… I think what you are missing is a moral point. We do not have the right to invade a sovereign country as Hitler did. Would you be ok with and invasion here in The USA if other countries felt
            the want in doing so? Actually only the Iraqi people had the moral right to dispose of that nasty criminal tyrant and not us. We cannot just invade just because we want to. The little bush lied to all of us big time, to we the people here in the US – to our Congress –
            to the UN and to the world to get us to do his war. Do you forget he may have wanted revenge for the attempted assignation of his daddy while he was in Kuwait after daddy, who also lied and got so many
            people killed during his Iraq War, after he left his one term in office as President? The family lies to all they can get to listen. Whether the little bush got us to do his war for revenge of for his big industrial buddies or for political and military advantages there was no moral right on his part.

            Also the little bush was told by our intelligence agencies before the invasion, and before 9/11, that the Weapons of Mass Destruction were removed from Iraq. There were satellite viewings of a truck caravan,
            thinking it was a Russian caravan, going to Syria, which contained many WMDs. In the news then we knew there were numerous foreign nation’s intelligence Agencies who also knew of that caravan. The little bush didn’t want to believe them either. Then after the invasion our guys didn’t find and WND’s in Iraq. So did they just simply vanish into thin air after the invasion but were there during and all along? Then we also knew before the invasion that Iraq’s nasty leader and Al-qaeda hated each other and would not work together. So much for an honorable little bush. I hope he was and still is happy with all the lives and money (to this day) he cost us.

            Iraq was never a threat to us as a nation or individually unless maybe Americans wandered into their country by “Accident” as a couple did into Iran, the all time evil nation. :-)

            No, I did not miss the TP/GOP’s alternative to ObamaCare, thank you for saying I missed it in your misguided assumption. That is the way to go, with potential viable and responsible alternatives, if you do not like something such as ObamaCare ok but shutting down the government will hurt so many Americans, many maybe permanently and many irrecoverably, if they carry it out, not with a threat. This truly shows the extreme apathy of the TP/GOP and other parties who support them has toward us just to get what they want at all costs (even us), just to take out Obama. Who are the TP/GOP when they do threats that can do so much harm to “We The People” if carried out, the Mafia?
            Even if the threat is not carried out they have scared millions in the use of the threat, again. Nice of them, Huh? Threats and government shutdowns is not how it should work if the people are what is important in a free country.

            Also let’s remember the GOP tried their version of a national health care plan, perhaps as a suggestion from President Ronald Reagan, in the early 1990’s, which included the mandate we all still hate today, and they failed when it went to vote in Congress. IS this newer attempt or alternative to ObamaCare just as bad for us now as it was in the 1990’s? Are the TP/GOP just reviving their past failures and inflicting them on us again this time just to hurt Obama at our expense? stephanie wilson, you brought up the GOP alternative, not me, but thank you for doing so. :-).

            Yeah, I do so many typos because I cannot type but I always kin0ow what I am trying to say, LOL.

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, HITLER GIPSY ROOT IN A GREEK WANTED A CHILDREN TILL SEVEN TO BAKE IN OVEN AND TO EAT MOISTEN MEAT INHERITED FROM THE PAST WAS HAPPEN IN FIRST, SECOND WAR WORLD AND TIME BY TIME IN A SMALL COUNTRY IN EAST EUROPE.

      • paendragon

        So to you, no citizens shouldn’t have to prove they are actually citizens in order to vote?! Maybe we should just let everyone who isn’t a member, vote on our governmental insurance policies?

      • macgyver1948

        Hey KG… what are you suggesting? Could it be no national loyalty and or Americanism? I am just not sure why you are quoting that madman. Even Satan makes sense some time for his evil agendas.

        All I get from you quoting that evil nut is we shouldn’t have anything but anarchy and wild in the streets. Your point is not clear.

        • KG

          quote:…we shouldn’t have anything but anarchy and wild in the streets.

          Thats what Libertarians really want. They think that THEY are the arbiters of morality. Look up Anarco-capitalizm or Murray Rothbard, a ‘god’ in the Libertarian pantheon.

          I am pointing out the core philosophy of the Nazis and how similar it is to the so-called Anti-immigration ‘conservatives’ who claim to be ‘christian’ and are actually followers of the savior of the White Race – Adolph Hitler. Extreme Nationalism is core to the Nazi ‘faith’.

          • macgyver1948

            KG… Ok but I will not be a member of this Libertarian because they too (meaning along with GOP) show in their ways they are not for all peoples liberties equally for all. I also do not like Ron Paul’s foreign policies along with some domestic so I am not for them. As for Rand, he too is a puppet of the folks who are not interested in the majority of us and he too pledged
            himself against us.

            I knew the “core philosophy of the Nazis” perhaps in an emotional immature way since I was a small child. I had several older relatives while I was growing up who came here after WW2 with tattooed numbers on their forearms and they had some very vicious and horrifying personal stories to tell. Nazis have a special place in hell.

            Since growing up my knowledge and attitude toward Nazis matured reading history and I know they are anti God and anti human if the humans are not totally with them. I fell more why they have their special place
            in hell. It’s funny, I see that attitude (‘only my ways are right and if you are not one of us you have to be wrong’ in their religion and in their politics) in many here today but who call themselves religious and “patriots”. Not all but quite a bunch. As an American and a Jew these people scare me. I am a history buff and I bet the US Founders would not so much like these one-sided thinkers with their “only my ways are right and if you are not one of us you have to be wrong” attitudes. There just seems to be no room for
            real liberty equal for all in them and they see things in the US Constitution and in the Hebrew Bible that just aren’t there.

            I am very much for liberty equal or all and that is one reason I might lean toward liberalism but I do not blindly believe all the Left says without checking “it” out. I read much of what the Right says going in with an open mind but much of the time I come out shaking my head. There are things Obama has done since becoming president I do not like but I see him as the lessor evil compared to who was in the Republican debates and many on the Right in Congress because I see those are tied to very powerful people I cannot trust because of their agendas and many GOP and Libertarians do what they are told instead of what is good for the country.

            The most current and often used example of that is the threat to shut down the government. Just using that as a ploy is scarring the life out of so many Americans and if they go through with it I see the shutting of needed agencies as their Nazi way of getting what they
            want and I call that treason because of the severe damage it can do to millions. We should remember in 2011 the Right tried it then and forced a not to go over budget/debt ceiling thing and America lost its AAA rating because of it. How much lower would they want to take America, in many ways, just to hurt Obama with total disregard for what is good for America, and more importantly, America’s people. Sounds like a bunch of spoiled rich children who must have their ways
            “no matter what”.

            If, as you say “we shouldn’t have anything but anarchy and wild in the streets” is wanted by Libertarians, and I have to add the GOP too since both are much controlled by their puppet masters, those who
            hold them with nasty anti-us conflict-of-interest pledges and loads of huge monies, they are to be taken seriously and we need to be suspicious of them. After all, we were warned about both foreign and
            domestic enemies. For many of the huge campaign contributors, whether big corporations or special interest groups, those “contributions are really investments and as with most investors they want
            dividends/returns. Remember GW bush giving all that money to the Oil companies? Well, that was payback and it didn’t come out of the little bush’s pockets. Why should the tax payers pay for those “investments”? That is just one example. The little bush practically gutted our economy with his 2 wars, which we are still
            paying for in huge bucks today and in lives, and his economic polices but the Right wants us to forget that and blame all the worlds woes on Obama since Eve got Adam to take a bit. Obama is not perfect, he
            has made some wrong decisions, some with political compromises that so often hurt us, but I still see him as the lessor of the evils and I thank God Romney lost for many reasons. If Romney had won I would dread who would really be running the Oval Office. It would people like I spoke of above, the “our ways no matter what” people.

          • KG

            You are so right! In the Garden of Eden, when did Adam sin? Some people say it was when he ate the fruit. But if you think about it, he JUDGED the fruit beforehand. He already had the ‘…knowledge of good and evil.’ I think that’s the problem with modern Christianity. They have already judged in their minds whats good and evil. In other words, they have become like gods.

            Psalm 82:6-7
            King James Version (KJV)
            6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
            7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

            Here’s a little joke.
            Sadie, an elderly lady, goes up to a man
            at a bus stop in Golders Green.

            She tugs on the sleeve of his coat and
            asks, “Farshtayn Yiddish?”

            The man answers, “Yes, Ich Farshtay.”

            Sadie then says, “Vot Time is It?”

            L’Chayim

          • macgyver1948

            KG… If
            you remember Moses was not allowed to enter the promised and because
            he lost his temper and did what only God should do in those cases,
            judge. But Adam disobeyed God in the eating of the apple and I think
            that is the reason for the eviction notice. It could be for both
            in Adam’s case. Also Samson lost his special strength because he had
            his hair cut, the disobeying on his part of God. I suppose the lesson
            is, in both Adam’s and Samson’s cases, that women can be the stronger
            of the species and they can get us to do what we shouldn’t if we
            allow it, lol. But ultimately we are responsible for our own choices.
            Also, we Jews are allowed to accept Jesus, the Free Will thing,
            but that would be a mortal sin for us and we would pay later.That is
            in the Golden Calf story if it is read openly and with
            real understanding. God said He wanted to kill all the
            Israelites for the golden calf thing, praying and worshiping what
            is not God Himself, but he gave into Moses and punished them by
            telling Moses to take them out into the desert and wander
            aimlessly for 40 years so the guilty generation would die
            out and not get to enter the Promised Land. This too is telling
            us we cannot accept Jesus, the mortal sin thing. Disobeying God
            is a no-no.

            As a Jew, and personally, I do not believe in
            any Christian bible but I have read from cover to cover the
            Catholic Bible and The KJV any years ago and parts of some her Christian Bibles. By the way, they
            are both to some varying
            degrees the same versions of one another but with some
            differences. One main reason Jews cannot accept those bibles is
            that they are not our bibles and there is some editing in them as
            opposed to Hebrew Scripture in what Christians have renamed “The
            Old Testament” for their purposes. We Jews do not refer to our
            bible as the OT. We do not see the NT as a continuation of ours. And
            we do not because we cannot believe in what the NT is based on, Jesus
            Christ. With that said I do respect the rights of those who do and
            would stand up for those rights as a person and an American.

            I grew
            up in a house which spoke a lot of Yiddish but my Yiddish is very
            rusty today. I translate a lot of my Hebrew Bible in my
            language translator but there is no Yiddish option. I will have
            to take your word for it on your translations, LOL.

            In the
            Hebrew Bible Psalms Chapter 82 תְּהִלִּים
            goes like
            this for 6 and 7 and 8 (I just felt like throwing 8 in because of
            who does the judgement things).

            6 I said: Ye are
            godlike beings, and all of you sons of the
            Most High.

            7 Nevertheless ye shall die
            like men, and fall like one of the princes.’

            8 Arise,
            O God, judge the earth; for Thou shalt possess all
            the nations.

            In this case there is a subtle
            difference but even subtle difference can bring about
            differences of interpretation. It goes to the editing I spoke of
            for different purposes. Which came first, the chicken or the
            egg? In this case we know which came first and we Jews believe God
            wrote our version of the Hebrew Bible. To each his/her own faith.

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, ADOLPH HITLER HAS BEEN GIPSY ROOT IN A TRIBE GREEK HIDING BEHIND EDUCATED GERMAN PEOPLE. GIPSY NAZI ROOT IN A GREEK DOESN’T INHERITED ANY FAITH AND ANY RELIGION FROM THE PAST. ALL THE TERRORISTS ONE PERCENT IN AMERICA AND BEYOND ARE HITLER FOLLOWERS. OBAMA MUST LEAVE FROM THE OFFICE NOW.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE THINK OBAMA MUST LEAVE THE OFFICE NOW. THIS IS THE ONLY THINK THAT WE THINK.

  • ireAmerica

    Mad con man; Barack Insane Obama.

    C’mon what shred of humanity could be left in that shell? Abandoned by both parents to Islamic / Communist indoctrination and criminal nurture..

    “Maturing” into the common-as-dirt, Black Muslim / Afro-Supremist, chip-on-his-shoulder, America hating, anti-free market, Communist control freak, DESTROYING tool of Satan.

    Only his resignation (or suicide) could soften his legacy .

    • paendragon

      Barking Insane Ohamad.

    • Chuck Phipps

      OR.

  • paendragon

    Congress will not impeach “the first black President,” no matter what he does.

    • native blood

      They already have. William Jefferson Clinton was the first black president.

      • LINDITA

        AS PEOPLE, BOTH OF “THEM” HAVE A ROOT IN A TRIBE GREEK. WHO KNOWS COULD BE A QUARTER BROTHERS. LA,LA,LA…..

        • LINDITA

          ADD: ALL THE NATIONS WERE CREATED FROM UNITED SOME PRINCEDOM, GREECE WAS CREATED FROM THREE GIPSY BROTHERS: ONE WAS WHITE, SECOND WAS LIGHT BROWN, THIRD WAS DARKER BROWN USED TO LIVE IN A SMALL ISLANDS GREEK WHERE THE BIGGEST ONE WAS CRETE ISLAND. LA,LA,LA…..

      • macgyver1948

        This is a joke, Right? LOL

    • macgyver1948

      The Tea Party has been hatefully trying to get rid of Obama, at ALL costs even if “We the People” and the country drastically get hurt in the process, ever since we first knew Obama was running against Hillary. It is not just Obama’s politics but the other stuff Tea reasons be a horse of another color.

      • paendragon

        What the – ?! Learn to speak English! There’s an EDIT button!

        • macgyver1948

          paendragon… What is your problem with what I wrote? It is in plain simple English. Is it that you are programmed to disagree if it is not what you want to hear? Where is anything I said not true?

          • paendragon

            I notice you’ve finally found the edit button, and so you keep changing stuff – good for you, but the defiant blustering and slander is pure liberal criminality on your part.

  • marlio

    I really think people KNOW obama is a thug and a con man and arent paying much attention to the war. They have not forgotten his scandals and I believe a lot of bama phone lovers will not vote for him in 2016. This fake war is not going to help him.

    • Robert Messmer

      Obama not eligible to run in 2016. The one to keep out of the race is Hillary (What difference does it make) Clinton. You remember her, she is married to Bill (I don’t know what sex is) Clinton. They are two shyster lawyers from Arkansas with as much baggage as Obama.

      • Chuck Phipps

        Yep, both are Obama-like idiots. Remember Whitegate?

        • Robert Messmer

          White Water just one of their adventures. And apparently Bill didn’t know what sex was then either since there were claims he used State Troopers to get “company” for him.

    • Chuck Phipps

      @Marlio. Is he running again in 2016? How can that be unless he changes the law, which is likely. You’re right people are asleep and 90% of them don’t have any idea what is happening in this country. Most of them are too interested in facebook and soap operas. So long as I get my foodstamps and other freebies,I don’t care.

  • rbrooks

    obama replaced the last mad con man who held the office. nothing has changed.

    tho the title of the story could just as easily have been:

    root: mad man & conman.

  • Steveo

    I say we got a madman….

  • Stuart Shepherd

    Stupid is as stupid does. The American public, by and large, are stupid. He was obviously a con man before all the cons mentioned in this article. He is a fast talking, self-adoring narcissist, racist, vicious liar, thief, and complete phoney- and we elected him TWICE. The future of America is completely bleak and hopeless for that reason alone. I give up, personally. Seriously, a military coup would be an improvement over the entire executive, legislative, and judicial branches at this point! Where is George Washington when you need him. How about a Trenton-like attack on Christmas eve across the Potomac instead of the Deleware!! PLEASE, Santa Claus! PLEASE!

  • macgyver1948

    paendragon… I you see this I am respond to one of your comments to me this way because I couldn’t fin it from the email I received about it. First will be your comment and then my response. Enjoy :-).

    From paendragon

    I notice you’ve finally found the edit button, and so you keep changing
    stuff – good for you, but the defiant blustering and slander is pure
    liberal criminality on your part.

    5:01
    p.m., Tuesday Sept. 24

    888
    My response:
    paendragon… Funny man that you are but you still haven’t told me of what I said isn’t true. So, until you prove me wrong it cannot be slander of any
    kind.

    Here is more for you to consider. In news articles today “Prolonged
    Government Shutdown Will Lead to Recession”. If your Tea buddies,
    and the GOP and Libertarians who are owned by Tea, go through with
    the shut down they will hurt so many of us and so much it should show
    who the evil side really is. Has that? Millions of Americans get hurt
    by Tea and you call what I say “slander”, “pure liberal
    criminality “ as you put it. You must be beyond brainwashing from
    Tea..

    Have you learned to understand English yet? LOL.

    Here is one for ya paendragon…

    Moody’s Zandi: Prolonged Govt Shutdown ‘Would Likely Precipitate Another
    Recession’

    Tuesday,
    24 Sep 2013 08:22 AM

    By Michael Kling

    The looming government shutdown will have a disastrous economic impact if
    it’s prolonged, predicts Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics.

    If Congress does not pass a budget by end of the month, the federal
    government will partially shut down on Oct. 1.

    The longer a shutdown lasts, the worse the damage will be, Zandi warned
    in testimony to the Joint Economic Committee. A brief shutdown of three or four days would have a “modest” impact, reducing real GDP growth by about 0.2 of a percentage point. But if it continues three or four weeks, it would cause “significant economic damage,” cutting real GDP by 1.4 percentage points in the fourth quarter.

    “And this likely understates the economic fallout, as it does not fully
    account for the impact of such a lengthy shutdown on consumer,
    business and investor psychology,” Zandi stated in his written
    testimony. “Any interruption much longer than a month would
    cause GDP to fall over the quarter, and one longer than two months
    would likely precipitate another recession.”

    More at
    http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/Zandi-shutdown-GDP-economy/2013/09/24/id/527336?ns_mail_uid=53599060&ns_mail_job=1538883_09242013&promo_code=14FA2-1

    Please do not think Mark Zandi is the only so-called expert in this thinking
    because if you do you are in denial. Reality can s*uck when you deny
    it for any reason but for political loyalty it is a crying shame and
    more. The Tea has dealt their cards and you buy into it even if you
    are not an actual Tea member. Just associating with the GOP who are
    owned by them, or the Norquist Pledge (over 270 GOP in Congress as
    well as endorsements from the Libertarian Party – Rand Pail for
    example), is screaming that. Those who sign the Norquist Pledge are
    owned by it and they have to do as they are told or their carreers
    are ‘toast’ says Norquist. Who are the Norquist signors really
    “representing? It is very much is not us. Paendragon,
    is that more slander ? LOL I heard Norquist say those things and I
    read his words too. But for now we could go down drowning in Tea.

    Hey paendragon… If you continue to support this from the Right I’d say you are guilty of treason as much as they are. Most likely you could be hurting
    yourself too. How does that fit into your definition of “SLANDER”?
    So would you like hurting millions of Americans to be Right
    supportive?

    Have some Tea and continue to delude yourself. I hope you enjoy what you
    started with me. :-).

  • regulus30

    sociopath, compulsive liar, narcissistic, Napoleon complex, homophobic, mega maniac with mental illness [disorders] ; that about covers him [Hitler, Stalin, Mussillini ; Hirohito Lenin ; Mao Tse Tung; Saddam Hussein ;Ahmadinejad just about covers him; oops forgot Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro;; hum some nice company if you are a fascist, Marxist, communist. The 12th imam is a sick mother.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE DIDN’T HEAR ONE SCANDAL IN A BUSH TIME. SO, PATRIOT HONEST ROYAL BUSH FAMILY ARE THE BEST PRESIDENTS IN UNITED STATES AND WHY NOT ALL AROUND THE WORLD. SO, TO BE SAFE AGAIN WE TRUST THIS FAMILY TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK. AMEN!

  • Charlie

    Maco ,,, you have failed to define so many words ,,,it will be very difficult for anyone to communicate “”Truth”” to you … If you are willing to write about Scriptures outside your Bible which you say is part of The Holy Bible ,,, but ,,
    yours stop at Nehemiah ,,, BUT ,,,. it can be shown with Scripture harmony with the rest of The Holy Bible that The God Almighty “”Authorized”” the writing of the Whole Bible from Genesis to Revelations … Any thinking person would ask you for “A” definition of the word “Jew” because it’s not likely for any particular person to match up to all 4 definitions as given in The Holy Bible at any particular time… So? of the 4 definitions given for the word “Jew”,,,in The Holy Bible , which type are you???
    which one are you??? ………………………….. Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • macgyver1948

      Charlie… I haven’t failed at anything in that except in your head, the programmed vacuum.

      You say “BUT ,,,. it can be shown with Scripture harmony with the rest of The Holy Bible that The God Almighty “”Authorized”” the writing of the Whole Bible from Genesis to Revelations …” .

      Prove it that God “”Authorized”” anything in any of
      the Christian New Testaments as well as any of the changes from The Hebrew Bible to what was transposed, with editing for the required
      respective Christian purposes, to any of the Old Testaments (any of the Catholic or the several Protestant Old Testaments). You cannot change Torah (what you might call the Five Books of Moses). God says so and your Jesus says so. God wrote Torah and wanted it accepted in its entirety with no changes allowed – NONE, not any words or
      punctuation or dots.

      Was Jesus wrong when he said:

      (In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”) and Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”.

      Jesus said those as a rabbi and even though The Christian Bibles are not my bibles to believe it is yours to believe so why don’t you believe what your Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 and Luke 16:17? Has both Heaven and Earth passed away for you to believe Torah is no longer relevant? If not then Torah, God’s authored laws, is still alive and well. Paul says Jesus was wrong in his gospels and I guess to Paul both Heaven and Earth passed away and both God and Jesus are wrong.

      No one can make any changes to Torah or delete any of it or edit it except God Himself as your Paul did. God wanted a people who would accept all of his laws, not only the parts any people would like and leave out the other parts. If Jesus is who you claim can he be wrong
      about this, to you that is? Jesus is in no way a god so do not even try that with me again or I will call you a liar. Your bible was written by men, Torah was written by God. So Charlie boy, who could be wrong between God and men? Who can make mistakes either by
      accident or “intentionally? And show me were, with a something I would believe in, where God “”Authorized”” any New Testament or any of the changes to your Old Testaments? If you cannot show this take a hike you disrespectful fraud.

      Where is your scientific PROOF you idiotically use to show what you say “The God Almighty “”Authorized”” the writing of the Whole Bible from Genesis to Revelations.”? Show me, Charlie, with proof intelligent people would accept. Mention the sun again as proof and I will feel more strongly you are an idiot with that kind of logic. Do not try using your New Testament with the name of your 15th century homosexual and worse as its name – KJV, especially since I do not see the KJV as my bible, or any Christan Bible for that matter. No proof can be found in any something that a person does not believe in as a source of proof. It must be relevant to that person’s belief systems. You haven’t a clue what Logic is about. LOL.

      If you want to again insult my religion and my bible with Torah, ultimately with you insulting God by doing so, I will have so much pity for you and the insults will be in both directions. Believe me I will bring up your Homosexual, and worse, King James if you continue
      to be insulting. It is in history, I sent you a site on it a day or so ago after your insults and there are many web sites on the history of your Kink James on his lifestyle. . That is who you look up to? Is the gay lifestyle groovy with you? LOL…

      I just noticed in the last paragraph I spelled “King” as “Kink” for James. I wonder if that was a Freudian slip since it wasn’t intentional, lol.

      • Charlie

        Maco ,,, now ,,, you’ve trapped yourself with “”The Law””,,, are the 10 Commandment in The Jew Bible??? are the food laws in The Jew Bible??? IF not? why not? You said The Jew Bible was the first five books of the old Testament… What King Jesus said at Matthew 5:19 , 20 harmonizes with Revelations 22: 18 ,19… You Jews have rejected King Jesus Christ ,,, So? He has rejected you , and your rejection by King Jesus Christ is right there in The KJV and NASB ,,, BUT,,, repent or perish while you can ,,, otherwise , you may be a road kill on the Hi way to hell … Don’t forget you pointed out Matthew 5:17 ,,, which ties in with The O T Scriptures as well as some N T Scriptures … You have been “Judged” by The Perfect Judge ,,,. see Perfect Law Judge case at John 8:3–12 …
        Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • macgyver1948

          OH Charlie boy… I have trapped myself when you continue to ask/say things such as “Maco ,,, now ,,, you’ve trapped yourself with “”The Law””,,, are the 10 Commandment in The Jew Bible???” Who of us traps himself? LOL.
          .

          I have told you so many times, because you do not
          listen/read/understand what is sent to you, THE 10 COMMANDANTS ARE FROM AND PART OF TORAH, God’s LAWS. WOW you are an idiot.

          You mis-quote me AGAIN and AGAIN now with your ignoring by asking “are the 10 Commandment in The Jew Bible???…” No you spoiled rotten brain washed little boy. I have always said Torah is the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, you and many others may know Torah, God’s words, as The Five Books Of Moses. There are two other sections of the Hebrew Bible which all 3 comprise the entire Hebrew Bible. All 3 are Torah, Prophets and Writings. WOW you are so very irritating and I think you are embarrassing Christians with how you conduct yourself.

          I feel you are not in these conversations beyond what your programming will allow of you.

          Why do you continue to show what a dimwitted programmed idiot you are? You go on saying “What King Jesus said at Matthew 5:19, 20 harmonizes with Revelations 22: 18 ,19… You Jews have rejected King
          Jesus Christ ,,, So? He has rejected you , and your rejection by King Jesus Christ is right there in The KJV and NASB ,,, BUT,,, repent or perish while you can ,,, otherwise , you may be a road kill on the Hi way to hell …”

          Since we Jews do not believe in Jesus why would we care if we are rejected by someone we do not believe in? DUH!!! As for “What King Jesus said at Matthew 5:19, 20 harmonizes with Revelations 22: 18 ,19…” Of course they “harmonize: you dim wit, how else could
          they get followers and believers if they weren’t written to “harmonize” , as you put it. DUH!!!

          It is not that we reject Jesus, but we do as we have with all the other fake Hebrew Messiahs, it is that we are not allowed to pray or worship to a mortal or anything else that isn’t God Himself. It is fast approaching a million times that I have told you that. For all the times I have told you that and pointed it out for you and you
          still are so programmed to not see the reality of Jewish belief. IT IS IN OUR HEBREW BIBLE, again for Charlie as a reminder in the Ten Commandants. You have to be dimwittedly programmed.

          You say “So? He has rejected you , and your rejection by King Jesus Christ is right there in The KJV and NASB ,,, “. I do not care for the KJV for anything so again with this – why would I care if the KJV is not a bible for me?

          You go on to say “ You have been “Judged” by The Perfect Judge ,,,. see Perfect Law Judge case at John 8:3–12 … “. Why should I go to “John 8:3–12 …“ when I do not believe in your bible? Your bible is ONLY a book for a people who choose to believe what is in it and we Jews do not. DDDUUUHHH!!!

          Matthew 5:17-19 – Do you Charlie mean this one Charlie boy?

          King James Version (KJV)

          17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

          18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

          19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

          Matthew 5:17 so much ties to the Hebrew Bible in all kinds of ways. But your Rabbi Jesus was referencing the Hebrew Bible by saying what is in Matthew 5:17-19. Rabbi Jesus knew no one can replace Torah but God,
          not even one dot of it. Nice of you to bring it up for me. Paul must really have hated what your Jesus was teaching as a rabbi when Jesus was alive when it comes to the Laws – Torah. The contradiction
          between Paul and what Jesus preached about are staggering. I do not believe Jesus and Paul liked each other.

          Charlie, yep, I did and do bring up Matthew 5:17 when I am dealing with religious programmed idiot zealots such as you who even suggest Torah is no longer what God wants. Jesus was a rabbi so what would you
          suggest a rabbi would do besides quote Hebrew Scriptures in his lessons and sermons, along with other Hebrew Bible related lessons? WOW Charlie, you are not with enough oxygen to your programmed brain to be bringing in Matthew 5:17. LOL.

          You end your comments generally with “Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts2:38 is salvation…” Praise who? Why would I praise a mere mortal man who died about 1,980 years ago? Or
          at least you guys think he died soon after he was crucified. There are other stories to the contrary where Jesus and Mary Damaglien (whatever the spelling), as man and wife, were safely taken away. Who
          really knows? But that wedding Jesus not only attended but also brought wine for the attended, not once but twice, and your bibles do not say whose wedding it was. Well, whose was it? LOL.

          I do not and will never believe Jesus’ spirit visited Paul on that road trip to Damascus but you have the right to believe that if you want to just like we Jews have the right not to. You show you have a conflict with people’s rights when they do not agree with how you see
          those rights. Somewhere in your scriptures Jesus’ brothers, and maybe all the other Jews were angry with Paul for the things, his scriptures, he said. :-). Look it up in your KJV Charlie, maybe you too will wonder why pretty much all the Jews, along with the
          remaining Jesus Disciples, were angry with and in disagreement with Paul and his gospels. I bet even the mom of Jesus was also in disagreement with Paul but I never saw her being mentioned in that, just tow of Jesus’ brothers when it came to the family.

          Charlie… Go read the life and times of your homosexual King James and see what evil he did to children. Adult men weren’t always good enough for
          him. That is one of the reasons those in his court wanted to publish a bible in the nasty king’s name, so hopefully future generations would not remember him for his evils.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Well ,,, you jumped all over the place and ended up spreading slander and gossip about King James and his Bible… What’s the 9th Commandment say ? What authority did King Jesus have to condense all The 10 Commandments into 2 Commandments ???
            Why did The Jews criminalize Ernst Zundel for writing his book on what he and others, proved to be true … How many of The Commandments did The Jews violate in criminalizing Ernst Zundel ???
            Paul was zapped 3 days blind by King Jesus Christ just so Paul would see “”The Light”” and pay attention to “Orders”… See that story at Acts 9:1–18 , if you can tear yourself away from The Jew Book and read The New Book ,,, notice Paul claimed to be a “Jew” , a blood line Benjamite and a Roman … Paul was healed and “Saved” by Baptism ,,, King Jesus Christ and His Cousin , John The Baptist both taught “Salvation” by Baptism … Peter , said at 1 Peter 3:21 , “Baptism now saves you ” Notice , all the apostles were bloodline Benjamites ,,,NOT,,, bloodline Jews … Judas was a Edomite Jew… John The Baptist was Elijah reincarnated , see that at Matthew 11:14 , which was spoken by King Jesus Christ … Was Elijah a Jew ? BTW over 500 witness saw King Jesus Christ after He came back to Life … When are you going to see The Light ??? … Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… The 9th commandant says “Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor”. I didn’t bear any such thing, I told you what history says about your Kinky James. Live with it. I sent you a site which
            says this but you are dead headed behind your programming. There are so many books and sites which point out the lifestyles of your kinky
            jimmy. Argue with history and not me about that.

            The homosexual life of Kink James:

            The secret life of King James

            http://www.freewebs.com/jupiter1024/james.htm

            King James Homosexual

            King
            James Homosexual, From Earliest Teens to His Death & Burial Tomb!

            King James Homosexual:

            The Bible, most popularly known by it’s King James Translation was ordered into the English language during the early 1600s. The interesting part is King James was 100% certified homosexual.

            More at http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/King-James-Homosexual.html

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_relationships_of_James_VI_and_I

            and on and on and on and on, etc.

            Charlie, will people who defend their side blindly do so without researching it and just deny the history? It is a good question. I see you in this question Charlie but besides the blindness in you people like you only agree with those who agree with them.

            Charlie, can you imagine the damage control attempts by the upper crust at King James’ court?

            Charlie, you ask “Why did The Jews criminalize Ernst Zundel for writing his book on what he and others, proved to be true … How many of The Commandments did The Jews violate in criminalizing Ernst Zundel ???”.
            Who are the others you are talking about. As if I do not know, LOL…

            Ernst Christof Friedrich Zündel is a neo-Nazi German Holocaust denier. He has been jailed several times for inciting riots and other nasty things. Canada jailed Ernst Zundel for spreading hatred and causing
            several of those riots. Charlie, are you siding with Nazi’s? Well, I am not surprised. Just remember I grew up in New York City with aging relatives who came here after WW2 with tattooed numbers on their
            forearms. I heard so many stories about their times in the Nazi concentrations and those stories would curl a bald man’s hair. I would believe them over any one such as Ernst Zundel or you at this point.

            Charlie, are you a Nazi to be phrasing your Ernst Zundel question as you do as if the Jews were lying about him and his work? I wouldn’t be surprised if you were. What do you think both God and your Jesus
            would say about you if you are a Neo-Nazi or even a
            supporter/sympathizer?

            You ask “How many of The Commandments did The Jews violate in criminalizing Ernst Zundel ???” ARE YOU, CHARLIE, a NAZI? But your answer is NONE!!!

            Charlie,, to your statement “Paul was zapped 3 days blind by King Jesus Christ just so Paul would see “”The Light”” and pay attention to “Orders”… See that story at Acts 9:1–18 , if you can tear yourself away from The Jew Book and read The New Book ,,, notice Paul claimed to be a “Jew” , a blood line Benjamite and a Roman …” I say I do not believe Jesus had the power to do anything miracle like, not even make Paul blind. Using the term shows your bigot, perhaps Nazi, side. And ujst because there is a “New” book, in this case a newer revised versions of older books, doesn’t automatically mean it is true or right. You just can’t get it right, can you Charlie?

            You say “King Jesus Christ and His Cousin, John The Baptist both taught “Salvation” by Baptism … Peter , said at 1 Peter 3:21 , “Baptism now saves you “”. Well Charlie, baptism has always been a useless waste of time for Jews because there is no man who can redeem us of our sins, only God can do that. To give a man that kind of power could be a sin and to force it on others is a sin. Mitt Romney and other Mormons have suck around and performed immoral baptisms on dead Jews. That was just one of the many reasons I do not trust Romney and would not vote for him because he violated the Freedom Of Religion right in the US Constitution. It was in several news articles so if you are going to deny that too you know your head is out of that dark place it is natural to. I could go into why The Catholics baby baptism doesn’t make sense to Jews but that would just confuse you. Also we wouldn’t put that growing germ cultures water on us from those bowls. Was John The Baptist the first Baptist?

            Read this Chjarlie:

            Paganism, Pagans and Pagan Customs at http://www.gci.org/church/holidays/pagans

            Next, here is where you get insanely funny with “John The Baptist was Elijah reincarnated , see that at Matthew 11:14, which was spoken by King Jesus Christ … “ LMAO… LOL. :-) Not on your tintype, LOL.

            This is cute where you say “BTW over 500 witness saw King Jesus Christ after He came back to Life … When are you going to see The Light
            ??? …”.

            Charlie, If Jesus came out of that cave were he was placed after being taken down form the cross he wasn’t dead to begin with, just in a short coma like state. As for the light you speak of, I see your light as
            telling God no and I told you we Jews will not do that but you can. Even Satan uses truth at times to push his evil agenda. Did you know that the Nazis printed their own version of the Christian bible and they “conveniently” left out the parts indicating that Jesus was Jewish? Imagine that, LOL. That wasn’t the first time those who translated the original scriptures did editing and deletion jobs to push their own agendas. I have been telling you that too.

            At least a couple of the Jesus Disciples were whatever King David was, a Jew, because their mom and dad, Joseph and Mary, were of that line if mom and dad were. Jesus, on the other hand, was just related
            through Mary because of your immaculate conception thing and that all by itself eliminates Jesus from being a Hebrew Messiah from conception but there are
            many other reasons why Jesus is not the Hebrew Messiah or any kind of anointed one… Live with it Charlie boy…

            “I see the light, I see the party light…”. Just not the light from your programming… I prefer to see God’s light and not yours.

            Meanwhile … To each his/her own faith…

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Do , or , have historians lied ? Remember the victors write history ,,,until ,,, the Truth is brought out later, by some one … Your hypocrisy is glaring at Us from many angles… The Truths of WW2 are still being brought out, some 60 plus years later… Ernst Zundel just wrote a history book of his life in Germany and his beliefs and he challenged the Holocaust of WW2 as a propaganda machine lie … Is that a crime ??? IF? that is a crime???
            Then!! You are a big time criminal!! , Because ,,, You Jews are in denial of The Best selling History Book of All times… The Holy Bible of The Almighty God ,,, is a History Book of God and His Creations and You are part of that Creation … Can the clay say to the Potter , you are a liar??? Was the Nuremberg Trials , trials of Justice ???
            I am about half German and half English and both of these groups have some good people and bad people…
            All people on Earth are born into “”Sin”” and The Only Pardon you can get is the way Acts 2:38 says ,,, of course some other Scriptures agree with Acts 2:38 , but, it’s one verse and complete , which make it simple to tell others about…
            The water of Baptism represents The Blood of King Jesus Christ … Noah’s flood was a form of Baptism ,,, Moses sea crossing was a form Baptism …
            Thanks for telling us what kind of Jew you are, a Jew York Jew is the worst kind of Jew … BTW anyone can have a Tattoo put on their skin… Do Jews lie ? how much? just half the time or all the time???
            The Holy Bible says No one can approach The Almighty God , Except thru King Jesus Christ , His Son…
            How do You explain the conversion of Paul ? remember Paul was a Roman by birth ,,, maybe he was a early times Neo Nazi ,,,remember ? ,,, The Romans sided in with Germany in WW2………………..
            BTW, King Jesus praised a Roman Centurion at Matthew 8:8–10… That Roman knew “Authority” and power by having some himself ….
            Check out Matthew 28:18, and you will see who has ALL Authority in Heaven and On Earth………………….
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You are impossible to deal with. Yes, history is often written to accommodate the writers desire for future beliefs. So are bibles Charlie. We can tell that from the “adjustments” in the new versions of what you guys call “The Old Testaments” as well as the redefining of the original text and meanings from the Hebrew Bible, which came first and is the original.

            Charlie, you say “The Truths of WW2 are still being brought out, some 60 plus years later… Ernst Zundel just wrote a history book of his ife in Germany and his beliefs and he challenged the Holocaust of WW2 as a propaganda machine lie … Is that a crime ??? IF? that is a crime???”. I strongly feel deniers of truth such as you will wait until all survives and real evidence are gone so you can always bring up your evil. It is just your kinds ways, deny truth because that and real history are your biggest enemies.

            Ernst Zundel was not just writing a history book of his life in Germany. He was totally denying the Holocaust of WW2. My uncle, my mom’s brother, was in the US army and he went through some of the Concentrations
            camps right after he peace was declared. He told me he saw human remains all over in ovens and mass graves. He saw Jewish artifacts and jewelry all athered together with an obvious attempt to hide. He
            and his companions saw gas lines hooked up to shower houses. If you say he is lying or if you say I am lying about this then I have to wonder if you really are at least a Nazi sympathizer, maybe more.What my uncle told me was in addition to what other relatives who arrived here after WW2 with numbers on their forearms, as I told you yesterday.

            Here is another one of your jokes “Then!! You are a big time criminal!! , Because ,,, You Jews are in denial of The Best selling History Book of All times… The Holy Bible of The Almighty God ,,, is a History Book of God and His Creations and You are part of that Creation …
            Can the clay say to the Potter , you are a liar??? Was the Nuremberg Tria ls , trials of Justice ???”. Really Charlie, LOL.

            We Jewish people are not in denial of the numbers the Christians bibles enjoy in sales. You are an idiot for saying so. We Jewish people are saying they are not our bibles so why can your tiny programmed mind
            not get that by now?

            Your words again, “Was the Nuremberg Tria ls , trials of Justice ???”. The Nazis were brought to trials at Nuremberg because of the millions of people they killed (over six million Jews and another over 5
            million of other people) in cold and sadistic blood,. Were they supposed to get away wit that just because many of them stated “We were just following orders”. Should we God’s people, humans, just write all those people off so other evil/maniacs can do that again
            and again? Yeah, you are a Nazi for that defense of them. What god (the real only one God gets a capital “G”) do you really relate to since it does not seem to be the God of Abraham, Issac , Jacob or Jesus.

            You continue with “All people on Earth are born into “”Sin”” and The Only Pardon you can get is the way Acts 2:38 says ,,, of course some other Scriptures agree with Acts 2:38 , but, it’s one verse and complete , which make it simple to tell others about”. We Jews do not believe that. We believe we are born sinless and stay that way until we do our own sins as we reach the age of responsibility. As I told you before the Golden Calf Story suggests that but I wont waste my time repeating it for the likes of you. As for the Jesus’ blood, well for your insults of my beliefs and religion we Jews do not accept that Pagan ritual. Not the eating of
            Jesus’ flesh or his blood as the Catholic’s believe they should do and not with you versions of Pagan rituals. Again, that was solely for your insults toward my religion, Bible and me.

            “Noah’s flood was a form of Baptism ,,, Moses sea crossing was a form Baptism …”. Charlie dwelling within and responding to your programming.

            “Thanks for telling us what kind of Jew you are, a Jew York Jew is the worst kind of Jew … BTW anyone can have a Tattoo put on their skin… Do Jews lie ? how much? just half the time or all the time???, as you
            say. You are so good with your insults and stupidity. More ways to show me you are a Nazi, a type of evil who are The enemies of God and mankind.

            “The Holy Bible says No one can approach The Almighty God , Except thru King Jesus Christ , His Son… How do You explain the conversion
            of Paul ? remember Paul was a Roman by birth ,,, maybe he was a early times Neo Nazi ,,,remember ? ,,, The Romans sided in with Germany in WW2………………..”.

            I suggest Paul’s conversion was of his own choosing but I also believe he did not like Jesus or what Jesus taught most of his life before the cross nailing so it wasn’t hard to make up the spirit and his “words” on that road to Damascus.

            Germans in Germania were at war with the Romans. So what Germans are you talking about? I suppose there could have been some. The Catholic Church saw the evil in the Nazis during the time of WW2.

            You about end this typical nasty comment of yours with “Check out Matthew 28:18, and you will see who has ALL Authority in Heaven and On Earth………………” why would I considering I do not believe in your bible? Oh yeah., you continue to bring up these
            no-applicable illogical scriptures from your bible to Jewish people because of your programming. I get it now. LOL.

            Get so far lost Charlie, you and you bigotry are not worth this.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Does your Bible have Genesis Chapter 3 in it ???
            or have the Jews deleted that also ??? Are those “Curses” in Genesis 3 still on Mankind or just on the Jews?…
            What Scripture in your Bible says you are not born into sin ???
            We have a WW2 survivor here and was in the battle of the Bulge and he does not say one bad word about any of the Germans… Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Still at it I see… We are not the ones who delete or adjust anything in Torah for any reason because we cannot best God as you feel you can with your adjustments and misinterpretation of what you
            have as your Old Testaments in your books to justify whatever in your existence. See what you inspired in me with your insults and bigotry? :-)

            From the Hebrew Bible, the original, there is Genesis
            Chapter 3 just as it has been since God gave it to us. No editing, no dots missing just as your Rabbi Jesus said it must be in Matthew 5:17, in and Luke 16:17.
            It is not we who do the evil you accuse us of, Charlie. We just wont say no to God and you will see more on that further down, as I answer another part of your comment, we will not defy God as you might. We
            do not want to be “evicted”.

            You ask, “Are those “Curses” in Genesis 3 still on Mankind or just on the Jews?…

            Genesis Chapter 3

            1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman: ‘Yea, hath God said: Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?’

            2 And the woman said unto the serpent: ‘Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;

            3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said: Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.’ “.

            .
            14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent: ‘Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of
            the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

            15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed
            and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.’ {S}

            16 Unto the woman He said: ‘I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.’ {S}

            17 And unto Adam He said: ‘Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying:
            Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

            18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field.

            19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.’

            Charlie, the “curses” are for Adam and Eve for their betrayal and disobediences, not for us but they are warnings for us. Read the language Charlie. They are telling what happens to Adam and Eve. 15 says we will be burdened since we will be out of the Garden too but
            the brunt of the punishments are on Adam and Eve. Do you feel punished Charlie? Is you conscience burdening you?
            .
            God punished Adam and Eve for the munching of the forbidden apple and they were “evicted” (remember this word “evicted” from above?). The lesson in that is we should not defy or disobey God. And they fell from grace. Although Adam and Eve were guilty and punished for “their” misdeeds their kids were not guilty of the eating. We are not guilty of the eating. The Children of Israel who worshiped and prayed to the Golden Calf were guilty but not their kids. The guilty generation, of those who were guilty, of Israelites were not allowed to enter the Promised Land but their non-guilty kids were allowed to enter. 40 years of aimless desert wondering did the guilty in. How is that Charlie?

            What am I suppose to do with “We have a WW2 survivor here and was in the battle of the Bulge and he does not say one bad word about any of the
            Germans…” when there are so many who knew the evil that the Nazis were? What a hoot you are. We are all entitled to our views and beliefs but you do not accept that if what others believe and accept differ from yours. Charlie, during my 4 years in the US Air Force,
            1966 through 1970, I spent several months stationed at Rhine-Main, a base by Frankfort Germany. During some of my off time I went with some Air Force buddies to see the country. When some of the older
            indigenous Germans saw my dog tags, with my religion on it, they apologized and many said “we really do not know how we could have let that monster do all that with our permission”, something like that. Many American Troops in Europe fighting in WW2 learned to hate Nazis, Jewish or not.

            How can you put your Nazi defenses together in your same comments with “Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …”? Wasn’t Jesus pushing peace, love, compassion and most of all God? HHHM, almost makes him sound
            like a hippie. Nothing wrong with peace and love and compassion, it sounds just like what God would want for us. You seem to bring in a Yin-Yang offering with that connection of yours, you know, your evil
            Nazis and then your Jesus. WOW, I have to wonder “what are you Charlie” in your programmed hateful world? It is Nazis that are evil, not necessarily Germans. Many Germans hated what Hitler and
            Nazis were and that showed when Hitler ran in the German Election and lost by a fairly large margin, more after the war. The Nazi campaign was run as a Mafia would do it and the people knew that with all the
            crimes and violence they committed to get voters. After his lost election efforts he asked for a meeting with the Government and when the meeting was over he had successfully secured control of the Government. Very dangerous thugs might be able to do that but the
            legitimate and moral would not threaten the government to gain control just because they do not get what they want. What can that be reminding me of that is going on today in our Government? Live with the history of that Charlie, have some Tea and relax.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, God , had the entire Holy Bible written , long before any modern day Jew Bible was written … Just defining the word “Jew” completely with The Holy Bible will prove that ,,,IF?,,, you are looking for “”Truth””………
            King Jesus Christ spoke Matthew 5:17, AND,,, Luke 16 , whole chapter, exposes the “Jews” and their corruption….
            The Jews said no to God at Luke 16 ,,, remember?,,, King Jesus Christ is God , see Matthew 28:18 …. ……………
            Now,,, back in time to Genesis 3 , the “”Curses” came down upon Adam , Eve ,,,AND,,, the Snake ,,, the Snake represents low life and twisted thinking… Who are the snake people today??? the same people King Jesus Christ pointed out as snakes at Matthew 23 , whole chapter… The Jews……………………………………
            My defense of the German people is not just 1 WW2 vet, I also know a WW2 B-24 bomber pilot , Captain of the plane at 19 years old … He bombed Germany and he was in IFR weather on the way and a engine crapped out , so he and the crew bailed out,,, but ,,, he arrived in Russian controlled area and hurt his ankle and was taken POW until the Russian found out who he was and returned him to U S authority… The last time I talked to him , he still cries real tears when he tell of his story of killing Germans with bombs… Ever see a grown Man cry? …….
            What did King Jesus Christ say at Matthew 10:34 ???
            WAR!!!………………………………………
            I did not say Adolph Hitler was a perfect Man , he was used by God to test and try the German people and that Nation in general … On the other hand how many V W’s have the Jews built ? how many Rocket Scientist have come from among the Jews?…………………………
            Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Give it up already, will you. If I want real religious truth for me as Jews see it I will read the Hebrew Bible or consult a rabbi. You are such a brainwashed insulting idiot I wouldn’t ask you. If I want
            an understanding of the Catholic Bible, as Catholics believe, I will ask a Catholic Priest. If I want an understanding of any Protestant bible, as Protestants of a particular denomination believe (there are so many different Protestant denominations I would have to choose whose version and interruptions I would want at any given monment) I will ask that particular denomination’s Protestant minster. You are a
            meat head with absolutely no respect for any beliefs but your own programmed kind so I will not ask you.

            You start this comment of yours with “Maco ,,, God , had the entire Holy Bible written , long before any modern day Jew Bible was written”. OK, prove it Charlie it Charlie, with the scientific proof you claim you have. If you can’t shut the H up.

            So you are saying “God God , had the entire Holy Bible written , long before any modern day Jew Bible was written”. LOL… Ok, that says, your programming says, God wrote “the entire Holy Bible”, your
            version of it I assume or I would have to ask “Which version of the Christan Bibles Including any of the many “New Testaments” as well as the different version of Christian “Old Testaments), the Catholic version or any of the many Protestant versions”? Then for you to say, of all those Christian “ New Testaments” they were written “long before any modern day Jew Bible was written ..”. What a sap you are. I bet as far as most of the people in the world who know of Jesus and the Bibles written of him, they know there were
            no Christian anything before Jesus was alive, certainly there was no kind of “New Testament”. Not on Earth as they were not in Heaven.

            What do you mean by “…long before any modern day Jew Bible was written ”? LOL… Wow do you need the maximum kind of mental help or what? First of all, Torah came to us long before Jesus was born, before
            King David was born. I bet Moses would both laugh and pity you for your dumb statements. The Rest of the Hebrew bible was finished not so long after King Solomon and the destruction of the First Temple
            that bears his name to some and some time before The Romans invaded and conquered Israel. Like rivers running deep so does your programming.

            You say “King Jesus Christ spoke Matthew 5:17, AND,,, Luke 16 , whole chapter, exposes the “Jews” and their corruption….”. You are full of you know what.

            You go on with your stuff by saying “The Jews said no to God at Luke 16 ,,, remember?,,, King Jesus Christ is God , see Matthew 28:18 … ……………”. First of all the jews did not say no to God in Luke 16 or any place else. Next, to us Jesus in only a man so he could not make Godly statements. At best from your bibles, New
            Testament stuff, Jesus is defined as a demi-god, not a full god, but we Jews do not even believe that. Jesus was only a mortal man with two mortal parents who conceived him, nothing more to Jews. Nothing was ever proved otherwise but it is a choice to believe what you want to believe, it is chosen faith for Christians.

            LOL…Then you say “Who are the snake people today??? the same people King Jesus Christ pointed out as snakes at Matthew 23 , whole chapter…
            The Jews…..”. LOL, I do not know what else to say about this C*rap other than to laugh at you. LMAO.

            You go on saying “My defense of the German people is not just 1 WW2 vet, I also know a WW2 B-24 bomber pilot , Captain of the plane at 19 years old … He bombed Germany and he was in IFR weather on the way and a engine crapped out , so he and the crew bailed out,,, but ,,, he arrived in Russian controlled area and hurt his ankle and was taken POW until the Russian found out who he was and returned him to U S authority… “ This is all very nice for him but if you aren’t him SO WAHT???

            You then ask “What did King Jesus Christ say at Matthew 10:34 ???

            Matthew 10:34-36

            King James Version (KJV)

            34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

            35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

            36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

            All the different version in Christian Bibles. Who is right in their translations?

            It is different in the different versions of the New Testament. I guess it strongly depends on what and how the publisher wants his stuff believed. This is just how the differences between the original
            Hebrew Bible is and the belief desires of the publishers of the Christian Old Testaments, all the mid evil versions, as well as the Catholic Bible which was translated and published hundreds of years earlier than any of your Protestant versions, including your KJV, are.

            Your bringing in Matthew 10:34-36 this time is yet another of the so many examples I called you a meat head. You truly are dead from the neck up, well except for your distorted programming. I first brought up
            Matthew 10:34-36 to you and I do so with you and others for good reasons. I have offered this to show how Jesus, as a rabbi, taught and explained how Torah CANNOT be changed or rewritten or edited in
            any way. YOUR Paul IS A liar to Jews and so are you to me. You take a mere mortal’s, Paul, word for what he says in contradiction to what your demi-god Jesus says as a rabbi. You do take to your programming
            well but you make no sense in missing the contradictions between the two of them.

            You say “WAR!!!………………………………………
            I did not say Adolph Hitler was a perfect Man , he was used by God to test and try the German people and that Nation in general … On the other hand how many V W’s have the Jews built ? how many Rocket Scientist
            have come from among the Jews?……………………”.

            If you truly believe what you are saying, “he was used by God to test and try the German people and that Nation in general”, and what you imply with the rest then you strongly prove you are the idiot you have been showing. Hitler was evil and nasty through and through, I will never believe God was testing him of the German people. Hitler and the others were doing as they choose when they had the power and control to do so. WOW!!!!

            Many scientist were and are Jewish. I can speak only for my morals and not anyone else’s. Some of the Jewish scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project said they did so to help end WW2 sooner. Some later said they regretted it. If you want to demonize entire religions who will not agree with you we can do that. Are all Protestants guilty of committing murder and other crimes when one or a gang of them commit
            crimes? You are a meat head for sure. Are you trying to make God an accessory to Hitler’s and the Nazi’s evil doings?

            WOW!!! are you really alive or are you totally a programmed puppet?

            Charlie, I actual believe you feel no one can be right about anything if they do not agree totally with you on everything. Again, have some Tea, relax and dwell in your idiocies with your attitude. Your mental delusion as your belief system should keep you happy as any who cannot deal with reality. Even you, in your bigoted delusions,deserves to be happy.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, you’ve gone wacko , better check your Narcissism ,,, ha ha haha ha ha ha ……………………………..
            You’ve been nailed by The Truth of The Harmonized whole Holy Bible of The Almighty God , Father of King Jesus Christ… I did not write The Bible ,,, just pointing out some of your flaws and ignorance of The Holy Bible, as well as some other world history ignorance … You are quibbling over words such as war, conflict, etc ,,, BUT ,,, have yet to give the 4 definitions from The Bible of the word Jew,,, and you claim to be one…………………….
            Notice at Luke 11:37—54 King Jesus Christ points out some flaws,,,,Sins ,,, of the Jews of that day , that’s even after they invited King Jesus over for lunch…
            At John 17:24 King Jesus points out He was with His Father / God Almighty before the foundation of the world…
            When you put The OT and NT together and harmonize them , then you may figure out what Psalms 119:160 means …. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie,, no I haven’t been nailed by anything with the exception of your delusional mind. I did not say you wrote the bible, any of them, I just do not understand or accept your misinterpretations of the Hebrew Bible. You are trying to re-write God and in that you are
            showing your delusions. I do accept how you believe in your bible for your self but do not force your beliefs on me.

            Charlie, it is that you will not accept my definition for the word “Jew” or “Jewish” because it differs from what you want it to be, Do not take from your Bible to point stuff out because I do not believe in your bible, wow I have told you that a million times and you can;lt accept that. And do not go into my bible and come out with
            definitions and meaning that weren’t there before you bibles existed.

            “Notice at Luke 11:37—54 King Jesus Christ points out some flaws,,,,Sins ,,, of the Jews of that day , that’s even after they invited King Jesus over for lunch…” WOW, do you think it would take your savior to point out there were people of his day who made mistakes or committed sins? Are you kidding there too? LOL. You are a trip Charlie.

            By the way Charlie, there was no King of Israel in Jesus’ day. There hasn’t been an Israeli king for a long time before and since Rabbi Jesus’ day. You cannot make up kings and anointed ones just because
            you choose, good luck with that. LOL..

            “At John 17:24 King Jesus points o ut He was with His Father / God Almighty before the foundation of the world…”. LOL…WOW!!! LOL

            When you put The OT and NT together and harmonize them , then you may figure out what Psalms 119:160 means ….”. Ok oh programmed one, LOL…

            You are like a little spoiled child who refuses to accept others who do not accept him as their cowboy leader. You just do not have the ability to rope and ride little Charlie boy. :-). Charlie, were you brought up to be this annoying and insulting? Was there no respect taught to you as a child?

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Misinterpretation ??? point out any Scripture I misinterpreted and we can review it under your inspection with dictionary in hand,,, remember ,,, all words have to be defined by authoritative books…………………..
            What does Luke 11:37—54 mean to you,,, you’ve discarded The NT so what would you know ???
            King Jesus was crucified King of The Jews… there was no state of Israel at that time … Remember ? Israel was the lineage of a Man renamed Israel by God,,, which also proves The God of The OT is the same God of The NT…
            King Jesus Christ was / is a bloodline Jew….
            Maybe YO YO can do a little Bible research for You ha ha ha ha ha ha …. You’ve meet you match ,,, a Cowboy that has replaced his horse with a 4×4,, but ,,, that still knows how to use a “”Hotshot”” on a Bull head like you…
            Are you ready Maco Wako for a little heavy duty Bible Study???………….. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… It is too difficult to deal with people like you. I will no longer repeat what I have told you many times as though you never heard it before. If it is about your Jesus where will the research be done? I will not believe it if it comes from your bibles or at least I will never consider anything which contradicts God or any Hebrew teachings and scriptures. Your bibles, all Old Testaments and New Testaments contradict the Hebrew Bible. I will not believe it as truth if it is from any Old Testament which comes with your interpretations. You are so unbelievable with how you show your programmed distortions about Hebrew anything. Your irrational thought processes and your programming make it impossible to deal with people like you and for me to remain calm or to keep from laughing my head off at what you say. Your insulting ways make you repulsive.

            You are the anti- Jewish/anti-Christian, and worse with how you Insult Torah and how God is presented in Torah and I bet you would insult the beliefs of other Christians if they do not agree totally with you.. I cannot believe you are insulting Torah as you do, the books which were so important to Jesus that he studied them and taught them and explained them as a Rabbi all his life, as rabbis have always done. But in that lies the distortions you always bring up.. You wont believe this but in that you are insulting your Jesus. To me you show your disdain for all other beliefs, even other Christian disciplines, that they are evil and wrong to you. Your expert preachers/teachers have done a sick number on you for you to be so repulsive and so hard to take as well as so insulting. Go to the best psychiatrists who have dealt with extreme cults and get yourself deprogrammed.

            I have not discarded the NT, any of them as you decided for me, I just take them as a version of what whoever published them would want their followers to believe, like much of written history. Do you think HItler’s publishers would show him in a bad light without humanitarian justifications or would they show Adolf was a sweet and compassionate man who invaded all those countries, murdered many millions and it was all for their own good? I read two different versions of what happened when English sailors first visited Japan. One was an English version and the other was by Japanese writers. Are you capable of believing both versions say of the other, things like, “they are barbarians without culture or breading? Do you know there are many people to this day feel the Ancient Romans were primary about culture and art? Do you get it now or is your insane programming still blocking and filtering what comes to you in its favor? You need help and that help should include your thinking for yourself and to know what mutual respect is about.

            To each his/her own faith/beliefs/Liberties, just some of the things you deny for others if they dare not to totally agree with you.

            You ask, “Are you ready Maco Wako for a little heavy duty Bible Study???….”/ LOL well DUH, not with you because you are no teacher. IF you want to see a “Wako” look in the mirror when no one else is around. When you are alone so you do not wonder if it is the other person in the reflection, When you are alone how many other people do you see in the reflection? LOL.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, IF? ,,,one cannot prove what they “Think” is “Truth” with some historical evidence that has never been
            proven wrong ,,, then , that one is most likely into double think and / or “Brainwashed”…
            Has The Holy Bible of The Almighty God, ever been proven wrong ??? by who ??? under what God / god ???
            Define or ID that God completely ,,, define or ID your God / god completely … ALL words have to be defined in “Contexts” , because some words have several meanings.
            You have yet to define the word “”Jew”” with any “Normally” acceptable books or dictionaries …
            Truth is 100% Truth or it ain’t Truth …. Most “Concrete” Sciences are Truth , but , even , then it’s difficult to prove any particular item of Science without a large background in that Science … Hint ,,, ALL Concrete Sciences Harmonize with The Holy Bible because The Almighty God Created ALL that is…………………………
            Meanwhile ,,, Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You start this yet just anther one-of-the many-Charliisms with “Maco ,,, IF? ,,,one cannot prove what they “Think” is “Truth” with some historical evidence that has never been proven wrong
            ,,, then , that one is most likely into double think and / or “Brainwashed”… “

            Oh Charlie boy, do you forget your own words, or just want to because it finally dawned on you how dumb you sounded?, where you say your bible has been proven “scientifically? It is so very hard to prove a
            negative but it is impossible for now to prove something that has no basis in science or isn;t current enough to check it out. DO you remember the Shroud of Turan (I’m not sure of spelling now)? IT was a
            fact to those Christians wanting it to be a fact that it was the Shroud of Jesus for when he was buried. How could they tell with no DNA from Jesus himself from before his body rotted to compare? But they were so sure until it was scientifically believed the Shroud was
            from the middle ages or there abouts. They were sure as you are of your ramblings and insults. Scientifically means absolute proof or it may remain a theory if the theory makes sense scientifically to begin with. You sound like those Christians Charlie with no proof, only
            belief which you are very much entitled to. Live with it.

            Then you asked me “Has The Holy Bible of The Almighty God, ever been proven wrong ??? by who ??? under what God / god ???”. LOL. I believe somewhere in my last paragraph I already answered that question. LOL.

            Then you asked me “Define or ID that God completely ,,, define or ID your God / god completely … ALL words have to be defined in “Contexts” , because some words have several meanings.”.

            WOW, “Define or ID that God completely ,,, define or ID your God / god completely” You are on a trip again, are you on something? Really, “completely”? That is some task but I will do what I can. God, as He is, is the same God as He was for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob(Israel) and your Jesus. He is “I AM” because He told Moses He is. To Jews he is YHWH ( ה ‘ ) as it is in Hebrew in the Hebrew Bible. Charlie, is this, God’s name and the other things I mention here, in your “Old Testaments” and if not why were they taken out? If they were removed from your “Old Testaments” could that be maybe for the same reasons why Nazi’s*** removed the fact that Jesus was Jewish from their publications? How many times have I answered this for you Charlie? YHWH is the creator of everything, the universe, our solar system, country to your roots it is not the center of the universe and all things in the Universe do not revolve around the Earth. That was fun, LOL.

            ***”Jewish references erased in newly found Nazi Bible” found at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-399470/Jewish-references-erased-newly-Nazi-Bible.html . These are people you defend Charlie, including your defense of people who deny the existence of the WW2 Jewish Holocaust. Sieg Heil
            to you and yours Charlie boy.

            Are the Nazi editings in their bible as “real and truthful (and as “Scientifically proven and “Harmonized”) as yours and your bibles? To Nazis they are just like yours are in the KJV or any other. As I been telling you, The Hebrew Bible is the original and all later Christian “Old Testaments”, starting with the Catholic
            version in the late 3rd Century and part of the 4th, are edited copies at best with respective desired explanations and interpretations and that includes
            your 15th Century KJV. I will never deny your chosen beliefs and faith for you, or your chosen bible, but act like a responsible adult and stop insulting other people’s chosen faiths and beliefs and bibles. You started all this with your “Correcting” me garbage
            months ago.

            You say “Hint ,,, ALL Concrete Sciences Harmonize with The Holy Bible because The Almighty God Created ALL that is…”. Let’s define “Harmonize” as you have it. 1- Musical combination of sounds. 2-
            Pleasing arrangement of parts. 3- Lack of conflict (unlike what goes on in your mind Charlie). 4- Internal Calm.

            What have you been talking about all this time when you use the word “Harmonize” as you often do to put Science and your “The Holy Bible “, KJV or whatever, together? How do they “Harmonize”? How can a book written a long time ago about what the publishers want
            followers to believe “Harmonize” with Science? Where is the connection to show Science and you Bible have harmony with one another when, as you say with some historical evidence that has never been proven wrong” as it has also never been proven right? Science wants step-by-step evidence, Bibles only share wanted belief and faith. The is no “Harmonize”. Nice try but they do not go together if they cannot be proven or “Harmonize”d if your books cannot be detailed in their Science. Sorry Charlie. My Bible cannot be either so do not think I am excusing mine. The Hebrew Bible and its teachings just makes so much more sense to me than yours, especially with the major contradictions between the Hebrew Bible and the NT or any other religion so that is why I stay with Judaism.

            Charlie, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it still give off sound vibrations? There is harmony in those vibration even if there is nothing receiving them, whether they be our ears or
            a man-made recorder, but there is no harmony between the things you say and “Truth, just hoped-for “truth” (otherwise why be a member of that faith if it doesn’t make sense to you or it isn’t presented as “real truth”?) that cannot be proven at this time one way or the other.

            Charlie, above I asked you if you forget your own words and I think you really do. But I also see that you forget mine so often and that is why your
            programmed mind feels the need to ask again and again – probable for your “Denial” purposes. Not cool Charlie and it is so annoying after a while as well as your methods being insulting.

            Charlie, how do you, in your mind, “Harmonize” all your fantasy with reality when there is no favorable sound or real proven “Truth” there? It is amazing how you match up and try to preach as you do with so much opinion and hoped-for faith with so much insult and
            little provable reality. Shalom Charlie boy…

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, part of your problem is just what most people have , including Myself… That is using words that you don’t know all , or , any meanings of… For example most cannot give you the dictionary meaning of the word “of”…. You don’t know what “harmony” means …. Your silly question on the tree falling in the forest , involves , noise , frequency , harmony , volume … My God sees All , hears All , knows all , The Bible tells you this … Does your God / god have the ability to put limits on the lesser gods??? where can one buy a dictionary of the Hebrew language , how is YHWH pronounced ??? Does your God / god transfer his / her knowledge to you ? what language or communications are used…………………
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Oh Charlie of all-knowing in his own mind. There is only one God so your question about how the one God puts limits on lessor gods has no merit. There are not even any demi-gods and I do not believe there
            ever were but you so obviously do believe in demi-gods, at least one. Deni-gods, in mythological terms, would be lessor gods by the definition of their conception.

            My “tree in forest” example was just to let you know there is no value to your dumb questions. I think it is very obvious that if there are sound vibrations, “involves , noise , frequency , harmony , volume …””as you so graciously shared with us there is sound whether there are recording devices or not and I always have. If there weren’t when there was no one around there wouldn’t be sound even if someone was there, even with a tape recorder. I heard all my live
            from non thinking people they believe if there is no one around there can be no sound. Comparatively you ask the same questions often, get the same answers, yet you seem to expect different responses. Are you
            repeating and waiting for the answers you want because of your programming and you can’t help yourself? No to the sound if no one is there is dumb just like your repeated but answered questions.

            Oh boy, you with “Does your God / god have the ability to put limits on the lesser gods??? where can one buy a dictionary of the Hebrew language , how is YHWH pronounced ??? Does your God / god transfer
            his / her knowledge to you ? what language or communications are used…………………”. LOL LOL LOL.

            Charlie, remember that my God is the same God of your Jesus, as well as the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, so watch how you insult my God. :-)

            Your question “Does your God / god transfer his / her knowledge to you ? what language or communications are used…………………” LOL LOL LOL. Charlie, what language do you think God was speaking when
            God spoke to Abraham , in their conversation:

            Genesis Chapter 15

            7 And He said unto him: ‘I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

            8 And he said: ‘O Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?’

            9 And He said unto him: ‘Take Me a heifer of three years old, and a she-goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtle-dove, and a young pigeon.’

            Enough but I bet both God and Abraham knew the language they were speaking because they heard one another just as Moses did when God and he
            spoke. By the way, what land do you think God was talking about in Genesis Chapter 15:7? This is the first book of Torah and that is all I need to know when it comes to what bible makes sense to me, not the
            edited versions.

            If you want to learn the Hebrew language take classes. “YHWH” as far as I can tell might be pronounced “Yahweh” but I do not know since I never heard God speak nor offer the correct pronunciation. LOL.

            More of what I need to know:

            From the site I suggested for you “Why
            Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?” at http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
            , but I think you didn’t go through it because your programming may burn your eyes out with what is different from how you were programmed.

            Remember this Charlie?

            JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE MESSIAH BECAUSE:

            Intro: (What exactly is the Messiah?)

            Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

            Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

            Biblical verses “referring” to Jesus are mistranslations.

            Jewish belief is based on national revelation. At
            the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:

            Christianity contradicts Jewish theology (Charlie, see that? )

            Jews and Gentiles

            Bringing the Messiah

            These are topic headings and links to their explanations at that above site. Not here Charlie, they wont work here. You have to go to that site to find the answers. These and so much more are why “Why
            Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?”. I will not include anything specific again because, like you, here
            they would be wasted space. So if you ever want to know why start at this site and then ask Rabbis because I do not want your trash talk about Hebrew Scripture any more.

            Will your programming allow you to read what is there?

            LA Dee Da Charlie.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, My point in asking questions is to prove that the so called “Jews” ARE NOT smarter than The Almighty God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob Israel ,,, AND ,,, the so called Jews DO NOT have any connection with The Almighty God ,,, because ,,, The Holy Bible makes it very plain that King Jesus Christ is The only Son of God that has been given ALL Authority from The All Mighty God in Heaven as well as on Earth,,, see Matthew 28:18 …. The so called “Jews” have rejected The Son as named in both The OT and The NT ,,, therefore ,,, the so called Jews have rejected , NOT , only The Son but The Son’s Law Book named The Holy Bible ……………….
            The Bible says to Pray to The Almighty God one MUST go thru The Son ,,, therefore ,,, All effective “”Prayer”” must be in The Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ …………..
            Now? IF? The Almighty God does not have the Power and Ability to Protect and Preserve His “”Words”” The Holy Bible , in Truth as Written in what ever Language ? Then ,,, He is not The Almighty God ………………………..
            Now! The First Commandment proves there are other , lesser gods ,,, because ,,, why write a Law IF it cannot be transgressed ???………………………………
            You , Maco, are unaware that you are unaware ,,, sometimes known as being “brainwashed”……………..
            But ,,, the so called Jews have a bigger problem , because they have rejected King Jesus Christ ,,, they have brought in a bunch of “”Curses”” upon themselves ,,, see one of those Major Curses at the Book of Obadiah the Prophet ,,, Obadiah is between Amos and Jonah …. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…, Who besides the little voices in your head said that we Jews believe, or imply that we are, “that the so called “Jews” ARE NOT smarter than The Almighty God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob Israel
            ,,,”? Never did I even suggest or imply that. We Jews choose to believe what we believe God has told us through the The Hebrew Bible and Torah which is a big part of the Hebrew Bible. If you, Charlie, feel and believe you have the right to believe what you think your bible is telling you then We Jews have the same and equal rights to do the same. Deal with that.

            I have questions too as you will see. You are not the only one who has a “point in asking questions”.

            Apparently you do not accept others peoples rights if they do no totally agree with your beliefs. I can not help remembering that you are at least a
            Nazi sympathizer if not a total Nazi by your ways of defending them and their evil actions.

            Yo say “the so called Jews DO NOT have any connection with The Almighty God ,,, because ,,, The Holy Bible makes it very plain that King Jesus Christ is The only Son of God that has been given ALL Authority from The All Mighty God in Heaven as well as on Earth,,,”.

            Yep, I know your bible says that to you and I accept your right to believe it. But I challenge you to prove not only that we Jews have no connection with God but to also prove you do according to your bible. Prove these things beyond a doubt in the scientific terms you believe you can. If you cannot I will go on believing you are a Nazi., therefore an enemy of God’s, the US and humanity. Can you see how easy it is for me to come those conclusions about you and I am only going by your words and sentiments, and of course your misinforming nasty and disrespectful insults? We you brought up to be so disrespectful?

            You say “The Bible says to Pray to The Almighty God one MUST go thru The Son ,,, therefore ,,, All effective “”Prayer”” must be in T he Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ …………..”.

            Yes I know your bible says that, I have read it and I listen to people like you so I know what your bible says. As ALWAYS you miss the point. We Jews do not share your bible, it is not our bible to believe. Get that already you programmed twit.

            Our Bible tells us that God is One and we must go directly to Him. We cannot believe in your “son of God” theory because God tells us we cannot and it is a mortal sin to do so. God reminds us in the Ten
            Commandants of that. The mortal sin part is elsewhere and not in the Ten Commands but we knew what that reminds us of. The “One” part tells us he does not come in parts, as your Trinity suggests, and you
            words here, “The Bible says to Pray to The Almighty God one MUST go thru The Son” indicates there is a separation/difference and non connection between God and your Jesus. Nice try Charlie, LOL.

            Oh, you bring the ‘Blood of Jesus’ into this again as you have before with your Baptisms. Those are your Pagan-Christian connection again. Thanks for reminding me of that too, not That I needed you to.

            And since you again bring in your Pagan connection let’s go further with questions. Charlie, you bring this about with your hatred for Jewish people, one of whom was your Jesus.

            From Geneses we know God created the universe, the Earth and us, in a 6 day period. I think we agree on that. God rested on the 7th day of that week and asked us to remember the Sabbath, as the 7th
            day of the week as He did, and to keep it holy. God says this and reminds us of that again in The Ten Commandants, We know the seventh day as “Saturday” and that hasn’t changed until The Romans in the last parts of the 3rd century and into the 4th
            century when they wanted Rome to survive and continue to rule as best they can by transforming/evolving the Roman Empire into the first big Christian Religion with their new bible. Many of the Roman emperors were Pagan Priests by most were at least Pagan, thus, your Pagan-Christian connection. This new religion was the foundation and basis for all future Christians and their respective bibles, many of
            whom became Protestants.

            Let’s continue but with, by many, very accepted history. In the last quarter of the 3rd century on into the first part of the 4th century.

            Those days Rome’s emperor was Constantine. He was a Pagan priest, along with his staff. Constantine and his people, as well as others, got together in conferences to decide ow their new Catholic religion
            would be presented and their new bible would be translated and published, much like all Christian bible publishers, including your King James people did with their remake, did. The Romans want to continue to be “THE” authority but with a different look.

            Now Old Constantine, being the jolly roman general and fellow he was, wanted much to remain the same. Sunday – the first day of our week, became the Pagan day of Sun worship, became the new Christian
            sabbath. More of your Pagan/Christian connection.

            Biblical Evidence Shows Jesus Christ Wasn’t Born on Dec. 25

            article by Good News Editor

            Is it even possible that Dec. 25 could be the day of Christ’s birth?

            History convincingly shows that Dec. 25 was popularized as the date for Christmas, not because Christ was born on that day but because it was already popular in pagan religious celebrations as the birthday
            of the sun.

            But is it possible that Dec. 25 could be the day of Christ’s birth?

            More at
            http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-dec-25/

            Also found at
            http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/when-was-jesus-christ-born-was-jesus-born-december-25-christmas-day:

            A careful analysis of Scripture, however, clearly indicates that December 25 couldn’t be the date for Christ’s birth. Here are two primary reasons:

            First, we know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:7-8). Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke’s account “suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night” (p. 309).

            Similarly, The Interpreter’s One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues “against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted” shepherds watching over their
            flocks in the fields at night.

            There is more Charlie but I bet you get the point

            What is this, could it be more desired results in Bible publishing through “creative” editing with translations?

            Charlie, I have read in historical accounts that The Emperor Constantine, being the devout Pagan that he was and perhaps a bit egocentric as well, changed Jesus’s birthday to the “new” birthday in favor of
            his favorite Pagan holiday, The Winter Solstice, which is really December 21st but maybe that is his favorite time of year.

            Charlie, we should also know that Jesus was born during the Great annual Festival which brought many people from all over to come to Jerusalem and the surrounding areas for that festival, among them your famous 3 wise men who “followed” a star to the birth of Jesus. That Festival occurred annually during the Fall or Autumn of the year, not during the cold of the winter in late December. I bet it is so likely that either Mary and a new infant being born during the dead of winter, or both, in the out doors, would have died from BBBRRRRR. It is very cold in and around Jerusalem at the end of December.

            Charlie, I strongly suggest, for your sanity, you argue with history AND NOT ME. LOL.

            You go on to say “Now? IF? The Almighty God does not have the Power and Ability to Protect and Preserve His “”Words”” The Holy Bible , in Truth as Written in what ever Language ? Then ,,, He is not The Almighty God ………………………..”.

            Oh Charlie God is able as He chooses.

            Then you say “Now! The First Commandment proves there are other , lesser gods ,,, because ,,, why write a Law IF it cannot be transgressed ???” . Charlie, once again you show your total lack of understanding in how logic works. First off God is not saying that, He is saying your imaginary or contrived or human build ones are not to be worshiped or prayed to. You are jumping to wrong conclusion again Charlie boy by throwing in stuff that is not in evidence. Make up your desired meanings and stuff in your own bible and stay out of the Hebrew Bible. You cannot assume for or correct God with your made up interpretations and insinuations. The Hebrew Bible has been around
            so much longer than your 15th century remaking KJV and so has the Catholic Bible. I offered you historical reasons the King James people wanted a bible bearing their kink’s name but you will not accept accepted history even as possibilities. Not sure enough of your beliefs to so easily discount and dismiss everything you will not agree with even before you learn
            about them?

            In your last paragraph you say “But ,,, the so called Jews have a bigger problem , because they have rejected King Jesus Christ”. BLA BLA BLA…. You will never get “IT” until you get the mental and emotional help you need. Go on degrading and insulting all that you refuse to allow for others and your insanity will someday do you in. But as you feel you must, let your programming control you, that too is of your own choosing.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Another long winded rabbit trail that lead us to more of your Bible ignorance … No where have I said you or any one else has to believe in The Holy Bible …. BUT,,, I have said that The Holy Bible is True ,,, AND ,,, there is ONLY one “”Truth”” to any particular question or problem … Now other answers may come close ,,, but ,,, less than 100% Truth , Which is the ONLY Truth there is..
            You are free to believe what you want ,,,BUT,,, your belief does NOT make it True …. Science has a “”Standard”” for their Truth …. So does The Holy Bible have a “”Standard”” for Truth ………………………
            What you said about the Sabbath day being Sunday ,,, well ,,, would you believe God said a day starts at hi noon,
            but you will not see that ,,,UNLESS,, you examine Scriptures very closely ,,, check it at Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19,23, 31 … THEREFORE!!! ,,, The Sabbath starts at hi noon Saturday and ends hi noon Sunday … Any Man can look at the Sun and tell when it has reached it’s peak… Well that’s hi noon where ever you are on The Earth of King Jesus Christ…
            Now,,, for King Jesus’s birthday ,,, Science has proven Life begins at “Conception” ,,, so ,,, Mary conceived in December and King Jesus was born in September ….
            Also check with The Scientist to see if? 2 plus 2 has ever equaled any amount but 4…… Ha ha ha ha ha
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… There is no intelligent conversation with you, you do not want to get the point if you do not want to agree with the point. You are impossible to deal with. There is nothing rational about you and
            discussion with you is not possible

            I too believe life begins at conception. If cells are dividing and the organism is growing it is alive, but conception is not what we know as a birthday. It is the “Birthday” that is celebrated for Jesus on December 25, not his conception
            .
            Nice try again Charlie boy but no cigar. With humans gestation is approximately a 9 month process, LOL. It is generally at birth when we first meet the new person. Conception is usually a private thing and no one meets the new living cells before birth, LOL. Thanks for the laughs. :-)

            Charlie, you are changing when the celebrations for Jesus’ birthday has occurred for Christians, you know – Christmas. It is and has been December 25 since Christianity was created 2000 years ago but you now
            say “,,, so ,,, Mary conceived in December and King Jesus was born in September ….:”. What happened, did your programming belch? LOL

            Your questions are dumb. “What you said about the Sabbath day ening Sunday ,,, well ,,, would you believe God said a day starts at hi noon”. Do you Charlie get up at noon? If you do then your day begins at noon.

            You continue with “but you will not see that ,,,UNLESS,, you examine Scriptures very closely ,,, check it at Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19,23, 31”

            Do you mean (From The Hebrew Bible)

            Genesis Chapter 1

            5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

            8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

            13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

            19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

            23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

            31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day

            LOL. I just reread all of Genesis Chapter 1-31. Now where does it say a “day begins at high noon”?
            LOL.. WOW… I wont believe what unless I read what you suggest? LOL…

            Oh Charlie. The Sabbath begins on sundown Friday evening. From what and where do you get your misinformation? Are you trying to see how
            ridiculous you can sound? LOL… back that up by saying “Any Man can look at the Sun and tell when it has reached it’s peak..? LOL… Yeah. Its “peak? The middle of the day, not the beginning. LOL…
            Then you say “Well that’s hi noonwhere ever you are on The Earth of King Jesus Christ…” LMAO… :-). Your comedy routine in this comment of your is sad but funny.

            According to Genesis Chapter 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”. That means God created the Earth, not your man Jesus. LOL. WOW Charlie, :-).

            You end with “Also check with The Scientist to see if? 2 plus 2 has ever equaled any amount but 4…… Ha ha ha ha ha?”. Cute… “-).

            Shalom Charlie boy.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Thanks for adding to the proof of what I said about you being brainwashed and not reading The Bible in Harmony with itself and other Science Books……..
            Now ,,, it’s very obvious a birth day cannot happen until some one is born…. I did not say conception was a birthday … Do you all ways twist things around ??? that’s another reason why I ask the same question a number of times … Now,,, we have found out that you do not read The Bible in harmony with it’s self ,,, but ,,, you do not read The Bible word for word in harmony with “”Time””
            or ,,, in harmony with a normal dictionary… So ?,,, pull out your normal dictionary if you have one… Then look up the word “””Evening”””,,, notice , there are several definitions ,,, just like the word “”Jew”” , many words have more than one definitions … Notice there is a definition that goes along with the science of “”Time”” ,,, God created ALL Science , so , that definition will fit the context very well… OK? I’m using the NASB , which is very similar to the KJV….
            Now ,,, notice in every verse ,,,evening is used at the beginning of that day,,, then morning is next, for that day , meaning in time sequence morning is the last part of that day ,,, NOW!! forget about your brainwashed ideas about what some body else taught you,,, just read the words as written in sequence… Then “Decipher” what the verse means ……………………….
            What time you get up has nothing to do with when God said a days beginning is marked…………….
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation …
            Then ,,, add 2+2 and see if it’s 4…… ha ha ha ha ha ha

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… How is it in your delusional world? You can’t make it in this real world with people as God set it up but inside yours it must be safe and happy for you. I’m smiling for you, :-)…

            I never read the NASB but if you are a teacher of it and it is just like the KJV it too can stay with you in your world. What drugs are you hallucinating on? Anyone can write a book and say it is based on
            or it harmonizes with science when the events in that book took place so long ago and we cannot prove a thing from that book. We swim in faith and not fact when it comes to what we cannot prove from the
            books we choose to believe. You, Charlie, have proven NOTHING but a void, an empty vacuum as your proof. I wouldn’t be surprised if God is wondering how you went so wrong in your approaches but He too
            knows of your rotten programming. Other than your programming those things are what goes around in your head, the NOTHINGS of a void, an empty vacuum. Give it up already, you really do sound dumb when you try to prove the unprovable and to use a book as your proof (WOW, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE TOLD THIS?) that I do not believe in and that is more proof of your unknowing when it comes to logic. I majored in math and Computer Science and I had to take courses in logic. You Charlie boy, would fail all of them with flying colors. What colors do you see in great abundance in your world since reality cannot get through to you? Do you also see flying elephants that you can prove? Please give it up already.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            How is that Nut-Case continuum thing going?

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…
            He does need help badly. Did you know his KJV and science are harmonious and all is provable scientifically in KJV? LOL

          • Bob666

            Mac,
            there are some people in life on another continent that you will never get to. Charlie in in another solar system.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Explain this logic thing ,,, your writes indicate you have little to none … When you can’t understand simple words like King Jesus Christ ,,, and the Solar seasons ….
            Hey! is 2+2 still 4 ??? what number is to the left side of zero ??? Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… It is really not so hard but you should take a course to get to know at least something about logic.

            This might help in the mean time since they are some of the main things about logic you do not understand..

            1- First the logic must make sense.

            2- A thing does not have to be factually correct to be logical.

            3-To use logic to get someone to believe something you want them to believe you cannot use something they do not believe in as your source, that will never work. You have to find and use what they already believe in.

            The above short logic lesson is real but only common sense.

            To try to use your KJV, or whatever other Christian Bible of yours, to get Jewish people to believe as you do is not only illogical in the least but it is also insane. “Insane” in your case is trying to use the same
            idiot’s logic and abrasive temperament and source to get me to see and believe your ways so many times and with each new attempt you expect me or any Jew to change to your ways of believing – you expect different results. WOW. There is very much a straight jacket with your name on it.

            Now on to your sarcasm. You say to me in this comment “ When you can’t understand simple words like King Jesus Christ ,,, and the Solar seasons …. King Jesus Christ ,,, and the Solar seasons ..”. First of all I very much understand who Jesus Christ is to
            Christians, the many different kinds of you who cannot agree enough with each other, let alone the other different religions, you have to create so many different denominations. Only people like you would
            still be saying something so dumb as “ When you can’t understand simple words like King Jesus Christ ,,, and the Solar seasons …. King Jesus Christ ,,, and the Solar seasons ..” to me. Also, I have read enough Physics and science concerning space, as well as read many science fiction books, and I have seen many sci-fy movies, I have known what Solar Systems is for a very long time.

            Enjoy your journey within your head Charlie…

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, with all you intelligence and education you failed to answer a simple question,,, “what number is just left of zero in the basic number graph” ??? Maybe YO YO can tell you… Apply some of this “”Logic”” you claim to have and you should arrive at The “Fact” that King Jesus Christ is alive and well today …. But,,, you will have to “”Explore”” your Mental , Physical , Spiritual being……..
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… WOW it is amazing how you go on with your brainwashing and programming. Prove how anyone can arrive at your “The “Fact” that King Jesus Christ is alive and well today ….”.

            Until you prove it beyond a doubt your using the word “fact” is a lie and worthless for you to use. The word “FACT” is in error in this context. Try replacing it with the word “FAITH” or Belief”.

            Christians all over may have Jesus in their hearts and minds but that is faith and not at all “FACT”. Please learn the difference or you will go on proving the “FACT” that you are a fool. I wonder how many
            Christians would be embarrassed for you if they read you. I wonder if you can see your reflection in a mirror.

            With many number scales it is -5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5……………………………………………………………./.. Could it be the one the “/” is pointing to, if this site doesn’t rearrange the character format after I press the button? LOL)

            LOL….. DUH…. Charlie, can you see “what number is just left of zero in the basic number graph” ???”. Which one could it be? DUH. So sad.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, once again you are a little short on info harmonization …. Better check the dictionary definition of the word “Fact”,,, IF? you can’t decode when a day starts by reading Genesis 1 ,,, the fact that you are near zero , and maybe to the left of zero on certain facts is understandable … YO YO is about a minus three on facts info …. Here’s the number graph as given to Me by a MIT Graduate …………………………..
            -9, -8, -7, -6, -5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2,+3,+4,+5,+6,+7,+8,
            +9 …. That’s all the numbers there are … Can you see the difference between your number graph and Mine …
            You have a few links missing in your chain of thought ,,, that’s why your connection to The Almighty God is very weak ,,, you’re missing The most Powerful connection to God ,,, King Jesus Christ … Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… So Charlie, you say I am not harmonizing long enough. Well, that is too bad for me so I will not try to learn how to play a guitar. LOL…

            So we are back to the word “fact” and when a day begins. You do not see how sillier you get with each passing day.

            FACT – Something that (really) exists or is real, a thing or an act. Something that generally can be proven true. Charlie, the FACT is you cannot prove anything in your bible is real unless you speak of rocks or
            trees, bodies of water, etc, but not actions by people, whoever. You cannot prove so-called miracles that may or may not have occurred 2000 years ago so who knows and that means at best they are theorizes
            except that they do not make sense. For me, and Jews in general, only God, the One who created the Universe, can perform miracles and Jesus was/is no god. I do not believe in your bible’s defined demi-god being of Jesus so Jesus to me performed no miracles
            even if demi-gods could, if they really existed..

            Since you in no way can prove Jesus was/is anything more than a mortal man, with two biological mortal parents, you have no FACTS to stand on. It is your belief and faith that Jesus is what and who you say, nothing more. By the way, it is a fact that there was never a Hebrew king with the name of Jesus Christ, no authority with the power to anoint ever do so for a Jesus or whatever name he was born with. That is a
            FACT. Sorry Charlie, Jesus was never anointed legally or in any other way as a Hebrew king.

            I kept telling you Jesus NEVER met the criteria for Hebrew Messiah based on Hebrew prophesy and that too is a FACT. But, as I mentioned to you before, if you want Jesus to be the Christian messiah or a
            Christian king or even a Christian Prophet, yeah he wasn’t a Hebrew Prophet either, then go for it because we do not care. I showed you where in the Hebrew Bible you can find those things out but you are
            so programmed against . I showed you that web site by a rabbi, someone who knows a whole more about the Hebrew Bible, the original and not one of your edited copies you call the “Old Testament”, than you EVER will. These too are FACTS.

            You are a programmed fraud Charlie. You have the right to believe in your bibles and faith as you choose but you are a fraud when you push your propagandized methods on others as you do with force and insults. You Charlie, when you do so with force and insults, lose credibility more and more as you do your nasty, and probably unethical thing. For you to tell others of religions other than you chosen one that, essentially, they are wrong is they do not believe as you then you become the fraud the is you.

            And you are also a programmed fraud Charlie when you deny others their right to believe as they choose.

            Believe what you want Charlie, in your bible and whatever you want about other peoples religion or politics, I do not care and that too is a FACT. But it is also a FACT that you are without credibility and
            ethics in your methods. I told you that you are not about the US Constitution with its guaranteed Liberties and Freedoms. How can you be when it comes to how you disrespect other peoples beliefs as you negate them. Maybe you really are as that guy who denies the
            WW2/Hitler Holocaust who you defend, a lying Nazi.

            I will not even get into attempting to speak to when a day begins. You saying it begins at noon is more self-destructive for your credibility so I don’t need to get back into that.

            By the ways Charlie boy. The number line extended infinitely in both directions from zero and it does not have the limits you suggest. You say of 1 through 9 and -1 through -9, with zero in the middle“,
            That’s all the numbers there are”. LOL. Oh boy you would fail many math courses, along with logic classes, with that limited thinking. You have reduced all math to 10 digits in base 10, not numbers. There seems to be no limits to your limits. It is all in the ways you express yourself, LOL. Oh, the numbers I listed were just to express a point and in ways limiting all numbers as you do just to “correct” me. I didn’t think I would need to extend the numbers, in both directions, infinitely, LOL.

            Have a good life Charlie but again – PLEASE GET HELP…

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            that was twenty minutes of your life that you will never get back-you do know this -don’t you?

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666… I know but there are times during the day I need to get away from serious stuff and sane people and deal with a Charlie for “twenty minutes” or so. I just cannot believe there are nasty and disrespectful people like him until I remember he is deeply troubled and programmed. Some of what he comes up with is very funny too, :-).