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Obama birth certificate fallout impacts Lou Dobbs’ popularity

August 5, 2009 by  

Obama birth certificate fallout impacts Lou Dobbs' popularity A CNN personality has been in trouble for providing a forum for those who believe President Obama was not born in the U.S. and is ineligible to hold the nation’s highest office.

Despite what some see as overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Lou Dobbs has been one of the last commentators still covering the so-called ‘birthers’ movement.

The conspiracy theory about Obama’s origins began in the 2008 presidential campaign, when a series of emails began to circulate alleging he was a Kenyan citizen, based on the fact that his father was Kenyan.

Obama’s attempt to counter the allegations further stoked the controversy when he posted a short-form copy of his birth certificate on his campaign website. Short-form certificates are printed by the local State Department upon request, while the long forms are issued on the actual day of birth.

However, while most commentators accepted the president was natural-born citizen and after an organization called Factcheck.org published a series of facts last summer about Obama’s birth in Hawaii, Lou Dobbs, known as a vocal critic of illegal immigration, publicly challenged Obama again on July 15 to produce the long form.

According to the New York Observer, this has resulted in the popularity of Lou Dobbs Tonight plummeting— in the last two weeks his audience has decreased 15 percent in total viewers and 27 percent in his core 25-54 demographic— and in calls on CNN President Jon Klein to rein Dobbs in.
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  • http://www.colony14.net/id41.html Tuci78

    The point missed by the writer of this article is that what we have of Barry’s “birth certificate” – indeed, all anyone has of Barry’s proof supporting his contention that he had been born anywhere in these United States – are computer graphic images of a document alleged to have been uttered to one “Barack Hussein Obama II” by the government of the state of Hawaii in 2007, supposedly scanned by an anonymous flunky in the Obama campaign in June 2008 to create those images.

    No real, physical, print-on-paper, signed and sealed legal document has ever been put before an objective, impartial, official of civil government – like a judge – duty-bound to turn that paper over to a panel of competent, trained, experienced and therefore qualified forensic documents examiners for evaluation and then testimony under oath as to that paper’s “genuineness or non-genuineness” (to quote such a forensic examiner’s sworn attestation as to what she would require to qualify the veracity of Barry’s “birth certificate”).

    The FactCheck fiction is particularly interesting, inasmuch as FactCheck is the creature of the Annenberg Foundation, which had also funded also funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, from which Barry and his mentor, William Ayers, had distributed tens of millions of dollars to predominantly leftist organizations in the past.

    FactCheck is “impartial” in this matter? Only on their “About Us” page and in the uncritical imaginings of leftists like the writer of this article.

    • Tony

      Who but an inbred from the backwoods of Georgia set of “Deliverance” would give a hoot?

      • http://www.colony14.net/id41.html Tuci78

        Well, for one, David Hahn, “Publisher, StatePaper.com ” August 5, 2009.

        Publisher: Obama Should Produce Original Birth Certificate

        *At StatePaper.com, we know by making this statement we will be instantly tagged as “racist,” “birther,” or other pejorative terms by those who defend the President of the United States. We often defend the President and the job he is doing and are regularly lambasted for being “too liberal” or an “Obama lover” by some of our most prolific critics.

        But, here is the issue:

        The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of our country. Article II of the Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen. Without reciting them here, there appears to be some serious questions raised about whether President Obama was born in the United States or Kenya. We have not checked sources, but there are reports that some witnessed his birth in Kenya.

        The President’s campaign staff and then his administration have released and placed on the internet a “Certificate of Live Birth.” We do not dispute the validity or correctness of that document as others have tried to do, suggesting the use of computers to alter seals and names. By releasing this document the President agrees that the claims about his status as a natural born citizen is an open, important, public issue.

        But, this “Certificate of Live Birth” is simply not the best evidence that the President and his administration could offer to lay to rest any doubt about his status as a natural born citizen.

        Barack Obama is a lawyer and a graduate of Harvard Law School. All law students study the body of law we call “Evidence.” One of the core tenets of American law is the “best evidence rule” which requires the production of original, or certified copies, of original document to prove a fact. Abstracts and summaries are not original documents.

        The President has offered an abstract (Certificate) of his birth, but not an original birth certificate which would be the best evidence of his birth. We need the best evidence so that it can do what the best evidence is meant to do; dispel the doubts about a fact. We need to see the Birth Certificate. That’s the one that is often handwritten and signed by the doctor.

        Lawyers and legal thinkers will, obviously, argue the finer points of the “Best Evidence Rule” and its applicability to this matter. But, that misses the point. The notion of “Best Evidence” is solidly-grounded in law. This is an important public matter and it seems now that the President has started down the path of offering some evidence (Certificate of Live Birth), he should offer the “best evidence” (Original Birth Certificate) which is the source document for his birth. The document behind the document which has been released. This is what is needed now in the court of public knowledge.

        The fact in question here is the constitutional qualification of the President of the United States to hold office. With a simple nod, the President could offer the American people the best evidence, the source document(s), as he learned about at Harvard, and dispel those who question his birth as a natural born citizen. His failure to provide this best evidence, when it could be so easily done, raises only more questions, which fuels an ugly public debate.*

        Meaning that we’ve now got a “Liberal” Nebraska newspaper advising Barry to cough up his birth certificate.

        If he can. You ready, Tony, to hear our TelePrompTer-in-Chief taking the Fifth?

        I am.

        • Smilee

          What about the 14th Amendment, you seem to have forgot it in all your amateur legal mumbo jumbo. the Birth Certificate is a certification by the state of Hawaii of what was recorded four days after he was born and the state claims it is recorded as such there. To get to the conclusion you want to see, you would have us believe that the State of Hawaii is fabricating this. Try getting your own birth certificate and you will get the same as Obama got it is considered by our courts as valid. Those who have filed these lawsuits have all had their law suits dismissed for lack of standing and the supreme court will not hear them making these dismissals final, some have refiled changing their position with no better results. In other words they are considered frivolous and one judge even said that. This is an endeavor that will never succeed but it seems to keep conservatives happy and gives them something to talk about so they do not have to focus on our real problems for which they have no solutions anyway.

        • Chris

          Great Call, Obama could put it all to rest if he chose to. A reasonable person would not call someone names if all was requested was reasonable proof that has so far been shielded from the public. This name calling based on something so obvious is merely ignorance and hatred at its finest. (or worst)
          The division being sowed belongs squarely on Obama’s shoulders. Put it to rest Obama or quietly excuse yourself and step down.

          • http://www.wtgdesign WENDELL GREEN

            Chris.. don’t get mad at our president get mad at the 56% of americans that voted for him.

        • mollybeejay

          Do you people actually believe that President Obama was not thoroughly vetted before he ever even got as far as the primary. Come on, people, the first Black man in the history for the country to run for the highest office in the land. president Obama is correct to say nothing and to produce nothing, because the fact of the matter is, that you loony tunes refuse to see or believe the evidence that has been brought before you. As Shakespeare says ” There are none so blind as those who will not see.”

          • Smilee

            Beautifully put, Molly

          • Evangeline Brabant

            Molly, I must have missed it. Please explain to simple little me how Obama was “vetted” at all.

            John McCain was subjected to Congressional investigations because he was born in an American Military hospital in Panama, where his father served as Admiral of the Pacific Fleet.

            Perhaps Molly, you will provide me with some sources and information about Obama’s vetting? I would truly love to become informed.

            You can’t actually, because besides a fake birth certificate, which he has thus far spent 1.4 million on attorney/court fees promoting, there is none, nothing, nada.

            No kindergarten records, for Obama includes his kindergarten
            records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

            I suspect these are missing because is his Marxist youth, he probably wrote things about his agenda for his country that you would not want to believe. Now, there are emerging, in stories by Canadian reporters, since the US press gives Obama a free pass on everything, reports Democrats failed to certify Obama’s eligibility in 49 of the 50 states.

            But still, nothing about our president. Anywhere. There is evidence of disciplinary action against Michelle and her 1993 disbarment by the Illinois State Bar, along with her pal, another disbarred attorney, Bernadette Dorn, wife of Ayers. Seems they were both working as assistants in Mayor Daley’s office at the time of disbarment. Why would a Harvard lawyer be working as an “assistant” to the mayor? I wonder.YOu get disbarred for things like criminal activity.

      • me

        Tony, A large mass of americans care. And I would have infinately more respect for a backwoods inbred from georgia that gives a hoot, understands and supports the constitution… than I would some ignorant urbanite sheep that has no capability for independant critical thinking and simply believes and does what the TV tells him to. bahahahahaaaaaaah.

        • Ralph Willard

          I notice that the respondent did not place a capital letter on the state of Georgia. It looks like he failed elementary school and yet has the gall to criticize. This is a good indicator of the kind of people who fall for lies and propaganda. They are incapble of finding facts and sources of truth. They believe what “Rush” and other idiots tell them to believe.

          There is other evidence of the birth of President Obama. Two different newspapers carried stories on his birth.

          ‘Willard

          • Drawer22

            @Ralph Willard -

            The correct spelling of “incapble” is: incapable.

            About that “elementary school” education of yours….

            As for newspapers, it would seem that those interested in pushing a socialist agenda think newspapers are a reliable source of information. Actually, they are, unless one is interested in facts.

            Μολὼν λαβέ

        • D

          Absolutely, the people that care and want proof over word of mouth are real Americans whom did not drink the kool-aid. People NO ONE has proven he is eligible and only he can change the doubt but he does not therefore he must have something to hide. Why do all of you believe in what you have no PROOF of. Truth, facts and proof evade all you blind supporters. America is suffering but the lambs of the land are unaware. We that care do collectively think and are genuinely concerned for the safety of our country and countrymen. Wake up

          • http://www.wtgdesign WENDELL GREEN

            ha ha ha the world is laughing at you people that are mad a black man is president of the wwwwwwwwhole united states ha ha ha

      • Gail

        Who would be interested? ANYONE WITH GOOD SENSE, who expects the United States Constitution to be upheld, who does not want this government turned into a dictatorship, and who does not want the United States of America to be sucked into a New World Order–that’s who!

        It makes no difference where Obama/Soetoro was born; he is not eligible to be president of the United States because his father was a British subject, and his mother did not meet residency requirement of Hawaii law to pass her citizenship to her son. And, Obama/Soetoro knows this. It’s the reason he will not divulge any information about his past or documents.

        You are asleep at the switch, fella!

        • Smilee

          Gail

          Dream on, Sweetie

      • Mary

        The BILL PAYING REAL AMERICANS GIVE A HOOT!!!!!!THATS WHO CARES.

      • Joanne

        I GIVE A HOOT ! It is in the constitution for a reason–where are you coming from on this?

        Look at what is happening right now. We have a human as a President that got in on false pretense that he is a citizen…which is a lie and everyone know’s it.

        He DOES NOT have this country’s best well being at heart. He is a Moslem and NOT a citizen.

        It is simple, nothing else needs to be discussed….HE BROKE
        THE CONSTITUTION and is on his way to ruin the U.S.

        This is why I give a hoot.

        HAT’S OFF TO HUGH DOWN’S

        I hope this long legged mac daddy gets caught in his own web.

    • VIOLETFIERCE

      duh, da duh, duh…..dont get out much, do ya??? your moron, of course he’s an American citizen, and in full possession of an I.Q., which is something we cannot say for you, Tuci.

      • Randwulf

        Oh that was intelligent. How typical.

      • old1

        Citizen? citizen? citizen? We are not asking if he has prof he is a CITIZEN! He would have to be a Natural Born American Citizen to be President and being born a British Citizen and having a NON American father he can not be NATURAL BORN! Different words mean DIFFERENT THINGS!

    • StopTheLies

      Yes, FactCheck.org has ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY on this matter and they have made outright false statement such as saying they examined Obama’s “original birth certificate” when they did no such thing at all. They merely looked at a paper version of the 2007 Certification of Live Birth purportedly issued as a computer generated form by the State of Hawaii, and in fact this paper form they “examined” couldn’t be the same as the one from which Obam’s graphic file version is taken as there are clear and distinct fold lines on the one FactCheck.org photographed and none of these fold lines show up on Obama’s purportedly scanned graphic version.

      Also, it should be noted that the graphic file which Obama released and which his supported and the MSM keep waiving around is INVALID ON ITS FACE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ALTERED by means of redaction of the certificate number which is blacked out. The form clearly states right on its face in big bold capital letters on the bottom that “ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE.”

      • Smilee

        StopTh Lies

        AT least Factcheck.org gave documentation of their sources (that prove your statement false) and all you gave us unsubstantiated bullshit,

    • http://SCRIBD,Photon03 Benjamin Gal-Or

      Is Obama Presidency Legal?

      It is interseting to compare two sets of ILLEGITIMATE FACTS:

      1. Barak Hussein Obama has declared [via the U.S. State Department; A7News July 2009] that what is — by all verifiable evidence known to all during thousands of years — the core homeland of the Hebrews, in and around the old city of Jerusalem, and their holiest site in its very center — the Temple Mount [see below] — are not for them but for the Islamic Palestinians — for according to the revised history that Obama supports — these are “illegal” settlements for the Jews. [A7News and WORLDWIDE ACCLAIMED BEST SELLING BOOK SERIES published FREE online by SCRIBD, Photon03]

      2. Barak Hussein Obama has been legally charged in a few U.S. Federal Courts [E.g., The United States District Court For The Eastern District of Pennsylvania; Berg V. Obama] and in the Superior Court of California, that he is NOT a Legal President of the United States.*, **

      * “AP- WASH. D.C. — In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.
      The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.” (Crusader Rabbit, July 08; 19, 2009)

      ** “Obama has a “new” hospital of birth and things are heating up with the recent Army Major’s refusal to deploy to Afganistan and claiming CO Status based on Obama’s eligibility status.” “when a Army Major claims CO Status over “Obama’s Illegal Presidency”, nothing is said. Everyone is staying away from this news story. Obama is scared to death over this…. ”

      The Roger Hedgecook Show, July 15, 09;

      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626; ” http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/obama-scrubs-the-web-of-all-birth-docs.html#more. See also Appendix VII in “Philosophy, Science & Religion in New Age of Education” SCRIBD, Photon03

    • Earlw

      Item: the digital image mentioned in the article was an altered picture, done with Adobe Photoshop Creative Suite 3, and shows the ID in the digital data when opened in a text editor. I did the same thing, and the document is displaying a nickname of “Ducky” as the creator………My source is a person of impeccable honesty that operates a conservative webpage. Having been a longtime reader, my considered opinion is that it is true.

      Additionally, WorldNetDaily has acquired a copy of the original birth certificate, complete with signature and raised seal, from Mombasa, Kenya, and has compared it with other originals of other people and says it appears to be genuine….We shall see……………..

      • http://www.colony14.net/id41.html Tuci78

        In all fairness, if the anonymous Obama campaign worker who had allegedly scanned the 2007 Hawaii state COLB to create those JPG format computer graphic images in June 2008 had been using a Macintosh computer running Adobe Photoshop simply to “fine tune” the images before emailing them to FactCheck and to DailyKos, those digital “fingerprints” would’ve shown up in the graphics files just as you describe.

        Focusing on the graphic images is a bit of a diversion. What is more important to note is that the images of that COLB are not the COLB itself – and that the COLB, if it exists, should (indeed, must) undergo physical evaluation by a panel of trained, experienced, competent forensic documents examiners before anyone can take its contents as supportive of the assertions that “Barack Hussein Obama II” ever qualified or is qualified to serve as the lawful President of these United States.

      • Smilee

        Just more bullshit

    • 21ster

      And Elvis is alive, professional wrestling is real and the moon landing was staged

      • Joanne

        and those that are for and not against Oshama are the ones that want a free lunch and he is there to get it for them–for a time. What he really wants is sinister for the U.S.

    • http://www.commonsenseforva.blogspot.com Bigvinu

      I wonder if the point that it doesn’t matter has been stressed enough. Andy Tannenbaum has this great piece on electoral-vote.com with the message that, even if he WAS a Kenyan citizen, it would be difficult to do anything about it. The article link is here: http://electoral-vote.com/evp2009/Senate/Maps/Aug05-s.html (at the bottom of the page)

      “What then? If he refused to resign and the House refused to impeach him, probably nothing. Any private citizen suing him would have to prove he had standing to sue, which would be very difficult unless the plaintiff could prove Obama had injured him. Cases in which someone doesn’t like a decision a politician made are routinely thrown out for lack of standing to sue, even when the underlying facts are correct. ….

      …. As an aside, should Obama be disqualified from being President or resign, Joe Biden would become President, of course, not John McCain, as some birthers seem to believe.”

      • http://www.colony14.net/id41.html Tuci78

        Little though I like Joe Biden (the Delaware Plagiarist), I have always understood that the removal of Barry from the White House would bring that schlump into the presidency, and consider it the better alternative. Think “cholera” versus “bowel cancer.” The excision of our present Fraudulence-in-Chief would leave the broad permanently incumbent Boot On Your Neck Party establishment (their motto: “If voting could really change anything, we’d make it illegal!”) at least temporarily shocked and paralyzed, and Mr. Biden would come into office – through the back door – a chastened, humble, fearful, politician, effectively without the political capital to work much mischief. Getting rid of Barry, however it is done, is “all up” and no “down.”

    • grandma102

      Rush Limbaugh said, “The sky is falling, The sky is falling,.”

      Keep your kewl, it’s in good hands, but Rush’s lemmings are already running over the edge. It’s incredible how people can call themselves Christian and be so full of hate for others and their government. Desperation is setting in.

      But they believed that Bush would be in and out of Iraq in 2 weeks. Yeah, right.

  • George Bush

    The great thing about these birthers is watching them destroy the credibility of the mainstream republican party.

    Who’s going to vote in a president from a party that can’t control it’s own nutjobs?

    Seriously consider the implications if they can’t even control chuck norris how are they going to handle kim jong?

    Here is an amusing site
    http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

    • old1

      If anything, this movement has done more to rebuild the Republican party than anything that’s happened after having those uneducated Arkansas hillbilly criminals in DC.
      Middle American is now awake and alive and well. Wait till you see them angry!

      • rodin

        Dude – if you consider yourself mainstream, we’re in a lot of trouble. Open up the loony bins, you’re all goin’ in.

      • grandma102

        You spew disrespect for people at every chance, utter hateful words with every breath.
        I am a Republican and this discourse about birth certificate sickens me. I abhor Rush Limbaugh who is leading people an unreal world. They are lemmings getting closer and closer to the edge.

      • http://www.wtgdesign WENDELL GREEN

        oh we are so scared!!!!!!!!

    • StopTheLies

      Most people I know who are questioning the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama II and who are demanding production of an ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE with complete information thoroughly despite both parties – Democrats and Republicans alike and are typically independents who have learned that neither party is worthy of their trust. If the Republican Party had come out and demanded proof of the eligibility of BHO II many of us might be much more sympathetic with that party, but as usual it has betrayed common sense and the interests of the American people in this matter just as much as the Democratic Party.

      • Old Atlantic

        Exactly right. Republicans can’t even ask for the 1961 birth year hospital issued doctor signed birth certificate.

    • uncontrollable

      I for one have no opinion as to where Obama was born but I do think it is a shame that anyone can be elected to the Presidency and not have to prove they are eligible.This man has hidden everything he can from the public.What is he afraid of?
      As for control, this is America remember that pesky thing called free speech? Calling people nutjobs and Mobs when they disagree with you is certainly a good way to unite them and I thank you for it.

      • grandma102

        Hidden everything from America? When did you crawl out from under your rock! He’s been a Senator for gosh sakes. Did no one ever look into his past? Your darn tootin’ the earlier opponents made sure he was eligible.
        Yes, free speech is our right, but we don’t have to listen when you get your script from Rush Limbaugh… He’s totally there for entertainment, enjoying the power to persuade people to repeat his newly coined buzz words.
        He stirs the cauldron, bubble, bubble, toil and trouble. Sadly, he is toying with people who have good intentions, but feel so powerless (having lost the election) that they are desperate to find someone who will asswage their fears and toss out tidbits of sympathy.
        Limbaugh is a sick man. Have you looked into HIS background? I don’t think you’d follow him if you did.

        • uncontrollable

          I don’t listen to any talk radio. Once about 6 years ago while waiting for a relative at the hospital I did hear Rush Limbaugh on a car radio. He was smart and funny and I enjoyed him. I just prefer the quiet
          I have looked up a lot of things for myself ,and sorry to tell you but the conclusions reached are my own. I did not say he wasn’t a Natural Born Citizen, No one has seen his birth certificate so how would we know? I just think those documents should be a requirement for anyone running for the Presidency.Why would He spend over a million dollars to keep from having to show a birth certificate? That is somewhat confusing if there is nothing to hide.

        • Drawer22

          I was unable to find “asswage” in an unabridged dictionary. Does it have to do with waging war on donkeys… or buttocks? Or is it merely an incorrect spelling referring to the “Asswan” Dam? No matter how one looks at it – if one is a proctologist! – you’re assking (King of Asses?) for it!

          Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

      • Stella

        Question… why has he (reportedly) spent nearly 1 million dollars defending this issue when it could have cost a few dollars to get the REAL certificate authenticated? Why the run-around? It is not that hard = something is amiss.

    • http://www.colony14.net/id41.html Tuci78

      Not being a Republican myself, and holding a lifelong hatred of the Republican Party as an engine of mercantilism, protectionism, currency debauchment, pork, and plunder since the days of its inception, I join you in wishing all possible bad cess upon the leaders and functionaries of this “Red Party” faction.

      If it were possible that this “birth certificate” could see the total destruction of both the Republican and the National Socialist (formerly “Democrat”) wings of the big, bipartisan, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party, I could not be happier.

      Speed the day.

    • Cactus Jack

      Let’s see, if you are right that would make the U.S. a one political party state. We could vote either for or against the one person running, we could save the millions spent on political campaigns and give that money to the poor and underprivileged. I believe Russia and China are one party states. They don’t seem to have the extreme hatred against their fellow man like that displayed by the American people over political affiliation. I would like to see the U.S. become a totalitarian state, maybe if we could get past political parties we could flourish like those two countries.

      • Chris M

        Move to Russia or China if you like their governments.obama is evil.

        • grandma102

          People who say Obama is evil are evil.
          Anyone who would call himself a Christian and then disregard the Biblical admonition to respect their leaders, well what can I say? You pick and choose your religious beliefs so they will fit your political agenda. That’s pretty sick.
          If you really believed the commandments, “Thou shalt not kill” would have kept you from telling doubya to stay the heck out of Iraq. But no… Where he lead you followed’ where he lied; you excused, where he blundered, you built wals of defense.
          It’s nice to have a president who was not a C student.

          • featheredchick

            Grandma, How in the world could you possibly know the Kenyan is not a C student? All his records are missing.

          • Drawer22

            @grandma102 -

            1) I do not call myself a Christian.

            2) Disrespect of someone who is not shown/proven to be qualified as a leader is not among biblical admonitions.

            3) “Thou shalt not kill,” if literally applied in a blanket fashion (as you seem to think it should be), would keep us all from exercising the God-given right of survival in the face of lethal threat from another. Even your own text does not prohibit that!

            4) “[W]als” is more correctly spelled “walls.” Your lack of education, being a liberal, is excused with my condolences.

            5) “If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin.” – Samuel Adams

            Have a nice day!

            Cogito, ergo armatus sum.

  • http://none Larry Gilbo

    It’s not just the birth certificate..How about Selective Service Registration,College transcripts,multiple social security numbers,Indonesian passport,US Passport,receiving tuition assistance as a foreign student,thesis for degree at any college,multiple names used,just to mention a few things that are not clear. Mr.Obama could not qualify himself to be a secret service agent,FBI agent,etc.Yet with the the documentation he provided the Democratic National Party that “vetted” him he was elected POTUS.God save the USA!

    • uncontrollable

      Obama couldn’t get a drivers license in this state without a true birth certificate.

      • James M

        I would love to see the aftermath of your state’s DMV refusing to accept a legitimate Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth.

        It would probably end with nothing more significant than a disciplinary memo for the clerk, but it would be funny if Hawaii took it further.

    • Tritonal

      “nobody from nowhere with no experience” couldn’t get a military security clearance if he joined any branch of the United States Armed Forces, yet he is responsible for the “football”. This guy comes out of the woodwork, spends half a billion dollars to get the winning ticket to the Oval Office, and a little thing like some birth certificate is not about to stand in the way of the total desecration of the United States Constitution. There are many others who have taken the oath to DEFEND the Constitution that honor that oath forever. The “elitists” wallowing in their pile-o-pelosi have no regard for the Federal Republic or the Citizens who ARE the Republic. Maybe it’s time we quit worrying about the foul smell in the ashtray, and paid attention to the fact that the bus driver is taking us all over the edge of the cliff with dizzying speed! Lou Dobbs just addressed the issue, he personally has no dog in the fight, but the moonbats will attack anything that doesn’t serve their march to hell for the rest of us.

      • Drawer22

        Amen, fellow oathtaker!

        De Oppresso Liber.

  • james

    Obama has spent, to date, $800,000 in legal fees, to keep a $10 Birth Certificate from the public

    • ek

      Really? The “$800,000″ meme has escaped from a conservative blog and spread itself across the internet. Where did you get this information?

      • StillforHillary

        ek, Obambi is a freak. He has no past records or friends, his parents are dead, only has one grandmother who says she attended his birth in Kenya, and is protected by a media that proclaims anyone who asks for evidence are either racists or crazy. ‘Overwhelming evidence’ of his birth PLND? You mean the Certificate of Live Birth forgery and a newspaper announcement? Jeez, where are the investigative journalists?

        • Smilee

          Another Fool

          • Drawer22

            Yes, just “another fool” who prefers facts and evidence to forgery and fairytales. How foolish can such people be?!

      • http://www.colony14.net/id41.html Tuci78

        No, the $800,000 estimate was predicated on experienced attorneys evaluating the number of billable hours requires to assess and counter some forty-plus cases in venues all over the nation, at “usual-and-customary” rates charged by the various law firms acting behalf on Mr. Soetoro (alias “Barack Hussein Obama II”) to procedurally quash rather than substantively meet the plaintiffs’ arguments.

        That $800,000 estimate, however, was established in May. It’s almost certainly over a full million dollars by now.

        • Smilee

          Tuci78 Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

          Obama’s lawyers did not do anything to quash any of these suits, it was the judge who did that . Does it not strike you as funny that every single court, appeals and supreme courts have ruled none of these cases have standing. I suppose next you will try and convince us all these judges are part of some liberal conspiracy. The fact is they do not have standing and if they did and they went forward they would then fail on the merits and the taxpayers would have a whopping bill for that. In reality these cases are history but I suppose some idiot with a lot of money to blow will stiff pursue some. Frivolous thats all they are.

        • James M

          “That $800,000 estimate, however, was established in May. It’s almost certainly over a full million dollars by now.”

          In other words, nobody has a shred of evidence that a single dime was spent for this purpose. I would certainly understand if the legal bills associated with the presidential campaign ran into this territory, and I suspect that is the kernel of truth that leads to the story here.

          You need to realize that you’re repeating something that has not been supported by any evidence at all. You cannot even explain what these attorneys did, or what they *could have possibly done* to the end that is suggested. Keeping a confidential document sealed doesn’t cost anything, and there’s not even a legal mechanism that a lawyer can use to accomplish such a thing.

      • StopTheLies

        The amount is actually around $1.3 million now according to the FEC (Federal Election Commission Records) on Obama’s spending.

        • James M

          >Federal Election Commission Records

          A reference to a public record should be easy to verify. Cite please?

      • grandma102

        They make it up as they go along.
        Ask about Sarah Palin’s legal expenses… They have some doozies to explain away those.

  • Nate

    Smilee, ‘George’,
    You show a sliver of insight, however refracted it may be.
    As a general rule, ‘legal mumbo jumbo’ best describes the convolutions used to side step the law or the constitution, not to enforce it. OIf course, if your heart is set on side stepping, then the constitution is mumbo jumbo to you. The rest of us can see it clearly.

    We also need to realize that the republicans have caught on to an important fact.
    They don’t need to fuel the birther movement. They never have. They didn’t participate when they could have prior to and during the swearing in.
    We might try to say Republicans = birthers, but the evidence is not good.
    (Though it is true that ‘birthers’ are generally on the right end of the political voter spectrum, the right end of the elected official spectrum does not participate)

    The republican credibility seems only to be destroyed where it never had a chance.
    The credibility drop is much deeper and steeper Among the POTUS and the most liberal Democrats.
    The whole country seems to be aware of this.

    The consern ofver the birth certificat has enough momentum to stay alive without Republicans fanning the flames.

    They can just try to hold the reins on runaway spending and look like heros.

    • Jamie S

      There is something totally being missed in this debate. To explain what I mean, I’ll fill all of you in on the rumors going around the courthouse. The judge here didn’t want anything to do with the case brought by Philip Berg. He felt it was too late. Obama had already won the election, and the judge felt he didn’t have the power to handle this case – It should be addressed by the supreme court. There is no clear mechanism in our country for removing a president outside of the legislative branch (who obviously would have no interest in doing so). So the question became, how then can the people of the United States do that? It couldn’t be answered, so Berg’s case was dismissed for lack of standing. The case was simply too big for the smaller courts as there are some complicated issues to deal with. Precedent of that magnitude is set in the supreme court.

      Unfortunately, the Supreme Court feels like they’re in a no-win situation. I will not debate the merits of the claims, but there is something undeniably wrong in this whole mess. On one hand, if the “birther” movement is correct what havoc will that create. Let’s say Obama is found to be inelligible….then what? Throw him out of office? Imagine the political circus that would insue: impeachment hearings, ethics hearings for politicians that allegedly knew of the fraud, etc. Whether you want to admit it or not, there will be a segment of the population that believe Obama was shafted…….even if you present a mountain of evidence proving him a fraud. Idealogues are blind like that. The backlash from these people AS WELL AS those who think the government pulled a fast one could be very violent. Regardless of any outcome, Democrats will still hold the majority and the VP will assume the presidency (Back in the 1800′s a special election was held, but it’s doubtful that would be the case here). Are you really that eager to see what president Biden can do?

      On the other hand, Obama may have legitimate reasons for keeping his past private. Because his mother was white, there may be inconsistencies in his birth record due to tensions that are taken for granted nowadays, but were quite real in the 60′s. Remember, his father was both black and a foreigner. Not a good mix at that time. Forcing Obama to devulge such information will do nothing but garner him more support (which maybe some judges don’t want), Anger the African-American community, and stoke racial anger that has for the most part dissapated in the past 3 decades.

      It’s sad to say, but there is no clear remedy. Whether you like it or not, sometimes it’s best to just leave things alone.

      • old1

        Well Black Water could always take over the controls for a year, till all this settles down and returns to normal. It would give both sides a chance to regroup and we could clean up Iran & N. Korea.

      • Smilee

        Jamie S Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

        You have quite the imagination, what you succeed in doing here is showing your lack of knowledge of our court systems. Trying to tell us what the judges are thinking when they themselves did not say is really unbelievable to me. What do you think you are God and can see into their minds, and soul. The courts dismissed the lawsuits because the plaintiffs lacked standing. Do you even know what that is. It does not appear you do, lack of standing is in a civil case which this is and to file a civil suit you need to first establish standing meaning you have to show you have suffer a loss, the courts decided the plaintiffs had not so the case could not go forward and none of the rest of the suit was addressed by any court. The plaintiffs appealed the case all the way to the Supreme Court which refused to hear it. No court said they filed it to late, or no judge felt they did not have the power to deal with it, fact is they did deal with it. Too big for the court to hear, man you have lost it, what a ridiculous statement. In fact your post is nothing but garbage and clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. The bottom line is there is no standing in any of these cases and if their was and they went forward they would still fail because undisputed evidence exists to prove these cases frivolous and down right stupid to any reasonable person.

    • Smilee

      Nate on August 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am:‘

      you said legal mumbo jumbo’ what I said was “amateur legal mubo jumbo” and it was meant to say she lacked understanding of the constitution and did not know what she was talking about. I did not mean it as you said “best describes the convolutions used to side step the law or the constitution, not to enforce it.” that is your interpretation of what I said but not what I said and not what I meant, mumbo jumbo means mixed up speech or thought , at least that’s what I have always believed it to mean. I am very knowable of the constitution so that does not apply either. I see birthers as they have become known as conservatives and not republicans, many republicans do not buy into this BS. The hard core far right of the republican party albeit many of them now describe themselves as conservatives and not republicans are the culprits.

  • Captain Steve

    Obama’s hidden records and natural born citizenship are legitimate issues.

    It’s no surprise that Hillary Clinton just went to Kenya to reinforce the cover-up.

    I still want answers. Obummer, put up or get out!!!! All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

    “I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

    That’s it. Issue over. But he won’t because he’s a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don’t BHO’s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

    OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

    • StopTheLies

      It is admirable that Senator John McCain produced a full authentic original copy of his birth certificate. Even without the Senate resolution declaring him to be a natural born citizen, most all Americans would agree that there is no question but that John McCain is a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN citizens for the simple reason that both of his parents were American citizens.

      In the case of Barack Hussein Obama II, only one of his parents was an American citizen, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama. His father was a BRITISH SUBJECT as a resident of Kenya, Africa which was at that time still a British Colony. Even BHO II fully admitted on his web site fightthesmears.com that he became a British subject by virtue of his father’s status at the time of his birth.

      Barack Hussein Obama II has NEVER RELEASED AN ORIGINAL COPY OF HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE – nor has anyone in the media ever seen or obtained one. What the media has been showing as a “birth certificate” is NOT AN ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH from the State of Hawaii. The White House itself has never even produced a non-redacted copy of this Certification with both sides visible. The only one of these ever produced with both sides was given by the Obama campaign to factcheck.org and there is no flat scan of that certificate. This Certification is merely a purported computer generated “Certification of Live Birth” which does not have important information on it that would be on the original Certificate of Live Birth issued in 1961, specifically:

      1) + 3. This Birth (Single, Twin, Triplet)
      2) + 4. If Twin or Triplet, Was Born Child (1st, 2nd, or 3rd)
      3) + 6c. Name of Hospital or Institution (If not in hospital or institution, give street address)
      4) + 6d. Is place of birth inside city or town limits? If no give judicial district.
      5) + 7a. Usual Residence of mother: City, Town, or Rural Location
      6) + 7b. Island
      7) + 7c. County and State or Foreign Country
      8) + 7d. Street Address
      9) + 7e. Is residence inside city or town limits? If no give judicial district.
      10) + 7f. Mother’s mailing address
      11) + 7g. Is residence on a Farm or Plantation?
      12) + 10. Age of Father
      13) + 11. Birthplace (Island, State, or Foreign Country)
      14) + 12a. Usual Occupation
      15) + 12b. Kind of Business or Industry
      16) + 15. Age of Mother
      17) + 16. Birthplace (Island, State, or Foreign Country)
      18) + 17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy
      19) + 17b. Last Date Worked
      20) + 18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (Parent, Other)
      21) + 18b. Date of Signature
      22) + 19a. Signature of Attendant (M.D., D.O, Midwife, Other)
      23) + 19b. Date of Signature
      24) + 20. Date Accepted by Local Reg.
      25) + 21. Signature of Local Registrar
      26) + 22. Date Accepted by Reg. General

      These 26 additional pieces of information (shown with their Field Numbers from an actual original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth from 1961) are what are missing on the computer-generated “short form” “Certification of Live Birth.”

      The State of Hawaii HAS NEVER CONFIRMED THAT THEY ISSUED THE CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH that was put up on Obama’s web site fightthesmears.com and which is shown on the LA Times as well as on numerous MSM print and TV reports, and that Certification is TOTALLY INVALID based on the redaction (alteration) of the certificate number as it so plainly states on the bottom of that Certification “ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE.”

      It is just astounding that anyone in the media would put up this particular graphic of the Certification when the alteration makes it completely invalid – but this is the only graphic that has ever been directly provided by the Obama people (with no scan of the back at all where there would be a stamped signature and release date from the State of Hawaii), with the other copy on the factcheck.org web site being a completely different certification with VERY DISTINCT TRI-FOLD LINES which negate the possibility that this graphic scan was ever taken from that certification for which factcheck.org never provided an image of flat scans of the front and back.

      In fact there have been 3 incompatible versions of this purported 2007 COLB displayed on the internet and by the MSM over the past year – and as Lou Dobbs asked last week, “Which COLB are you talking about?”

      Further, the hospital where Obama purportedly claims he was born, Kapi’olani Medical Center has recently refused to even confirm that Obama was in fact born there, and has even refused to confirm the authenticity of a letter purported be from Obama dated January 24, 2009 and bearing White House letterhead (without a seal) and signed by BO which it had previously published on its own web site and has now pulled that letter from its web site. As to who the attending physician was at the time of Obama’s birth, no information has ever been released about that and nobody has come forward to say they were present at the time of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, nor that they knew him and his parents as an infant.

      Americans of all political persuasions are demanding that Obama’s original Certificate of Live Birth be released, and this issue will continue until exactly that is done.

      WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

  • Steve J

    Seems like the promoter of “transparency” should not be refusing to release the document that qualifies (or disqualifies) him to be president.

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

    His refusal makes me think that either he is not a citizen, or there is some other information on his real birth certificate that he does not want us to know.

    BTW

    The web published certificate is not a birth certificate. It is a Certification of Live Birth issued by the state. Hospitals issue birth certificates, not the state.

    • Orange J

      A birth certificate alone does not qualify or disqualify one from being president. There are three qualifcations one must meet:

      1) Be a natural born citizen.

      2) Have residence in the USA for 14 years

      3) Be at least 35 years old.

      As a certification of live birth is a Hawaiian state document and the state accepts it as being an official recognition of one’s birth in that state, that’s all one would need to meet item 1.

      • Steve J

        Orange,

        Your argument only makes sense if you make the rules. Hawaii doesn’t make the rules either.

        The state doesn’t decide who meets the eligibility criteria, the Constitution does. A state could also accept a hand written note from his mother, but that wouldn’t necessarily make him eligible for the presidency.

        C’mon people, use your brains. This one isn’t too hard to figure out. There is obviously a reason Obama’s real birth certificate is being hidden.

        Or… maybe you believe that people don’t lie in order to advance their political agenda? Get a grip!

        • Smilee

          Steve J Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

          Hawaii doesn’t make the rules but does keep the records that the constitution accepts as proof needed to fulfill the constitutional requirements to be president. The federal government has no birth records. Thought I would point out this fact and this truth but your post suggests you are incapable of any of grasping that as you are trying so hard to prove this falsehood and do it without facts. Use your brains, they sound a little rusty and probably in need of use to make them work again. Good Luck.

        • Steve J

          Smillee,

          Even my rusty brain works good enough to grasp the idea that Hawaii doesn’t make rules that would affect the Constitution or a decision by the U.S. Supreme court.

          I understand that liberals want to protect their savior. I don’t understand spreading lies and sticking your head in the sand though.

          If he really is a natural born citizen, I will congratulate him on his legitimate Presidency. If he is not, I would like to see him replaced with another Democrat, Republican, whatever, but at least someone that meets the requirements.

        • Smilee

          Steve J Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

          God Steve I did say Hawaii didn’t make the rules, only kept the records and further I said the Constitution and the Supreme Court accept their records as proof. This isn’t about liberals or even Obama this is about what it fact or fiction with regard to his birth status. It is you that is telling the lies and has your head in the sand. The courts have held up my take on it and rejected yours so why should anyone believe your lies. You better Congratulate him as he is legitimate unless you did not mean that either and it is just another one of your lies. I still think your brain is a little rusty as it has not improved since your last post.

      • Smilee

        Orange J Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

        You are totally correct but do not expect those here to believe the truth they are hard core conservatives used seeing fiction as truth and unable to think it through and find the truth.

      • old1

        Nope! Natural Born = Born of Blood & Soil! The Blood of two (2) parents Citizens at the time of the birth and that birth on the natural Soil of that country.
        Papa Obama was not an American Citizen he was a Kenyan Brit.
        Being a British Citizen, Papa caused the baby to be born a British Citizen. (see British Nationality Act of 1948).
        Having a NON American father and being himself born a British Citizen, Senator Obama can never be considered a Natural Born American Citizen.
        Always remember “citizen” & “Natural Born Citizen” are not the same thing!

        • JAIBEE

          OLD1,
          You are both correct and incorrect. Please see US Code Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > Section 1401 for the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401—-000-.html). Only one parent has to be an American Citizen at the time of the child’s birth, not both. And if the birth occurs on US soil, neither parent have to be citizens. Unless someone can prove that Mama Ann wasn’t born in Kansas, there is no dispute.

        • old1

          Jaibee, Check the words in your post, they are “National born” and “citizen” not Natural Born American Citizen. Different words mean different things. That’s why we have so many of them.

      • ESPIII

        Orange J, your fact number two is misleading, at best. The second requirement you are referring to is not that you have to have resided in the U.S. for at least fourteen years. That requirement actually states that you have to have resided in the U.S. for fourteen years AS OF THE SIGNING OF THE CONSTITUTION.

        Do some actual research and you will come to the conclusion that Mr. Soetero is not a person you would want your kids to hang around.

    • Smilee

      Steve J on August 6th, 2009 at 11:27 am:

      States or counties as in my state record and maintain the legal birth records, hospitals never do, you are wrong about this, the one you seen is a legal certification of birth, and certifies that four days after he was born state of Hawaii recorded it and also states his birth date and that he was born in Hawaii and who is parents are. Believe what you want but this a legal document regardless of what you say.

      • Steve J

        Smilee,

        You should have read the rest of the post. Your comment isn’t relevant.

        As a state Hawaii could decide to accept a birth certificates written on a ham sandwich by a witch doctor from Kenya. Doesn’t mean it meets the Constitutional requirement. The Constitution lays out the requirements and the U.S. Supreme Court would decide this kind of issue if his citizenship is questionable.

        The federal requirement in the Constitution states he must be a natural born citizen. Without evidence, no one can determine if he was eligible to be elected President.

        He may or may not be a fraud. Nobody knows. Seems like a smart Harvard lawyer like Obama would understand why we want to see his documents. I had to produce my birth certificate to join the Army.. The Commander in Chief of all US forces should be held accountable to this very minimal requirement.

        This doesn’t look like a conspiracy theory to me. He is hiding something. Mr. Transparency should come clean.

        • Smilee

          Steve J Reply: August 6th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

          Its relevant to any legal inquiry and the fact you have doubts is irrelevant as the accepted methods and documents are the only relevant ones. The constitution has no requirements other than proof of birth and no governmental body or court questions it so the irrelevancy only exists in your mind the US supreme court did look at it, agreed with the lower courts and refused to hear it. The fact that you think it should be decided by the Supreme Court is irrelevant as the court has already decided your view is. You keep saying no evidence when there is, the fact you do not believe it is also irrelevant. You sound like a person who is trying to pass yourself off as having intelligence, you failed and that is relevant.

      • old1

        Hawaii says they still have the original Long Form BC. Don’t “you” want to see it?

        • Smilee

          No. The long form is the information sheet furnished them in most cases by the hospital and is the the information it records in the official record and is not for the public to see. It is then recorded in the state records and the certificate you have seen is issued by the state certifying that this is the information they have on record and that it is correct. Obama’s information was recorded four days after his birth. What’s your problem, don’t you think they are telling the truth.

      • quakergirl

        It is not legal- it has no seal.

        • James M

          Are you personally in a position to press charges of fraud and forgery against Dr. Fukino? That’s really the only question left. Nobody seems to be willing to actually claim that Dr. Fukino committed a crime here, and because of that, the whole “birth certificate issue” ends. It really is that simple.

          If anyone had any evidence at all, the case could be made. As it happens, Hawaii stands unchallenged on the matter.

          Do you understand this?

        • Smilee

          quakergirl Reply: August 7th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

          It most certainly does have a seal, and it is very legal, if you think otherwise why not show some real proof, your allegation is false but in all likely hood you probably know that.

        • quakergirl

          I repeat- it has no seal and anyone who says that is faking and using bravado. It has no seal and is computer generated. Obama did not even provide it himself.

      • Cactus Jack

        You are full or it, but you know that. You just want to call other people stupid. You couldn’t do that anywhere but through the anonimity of the internet or someone would kick your hummingbird butt, so go ahead and enjoy yourself. Nobody really cares.

  • Chris

    Osama Bin Laden stated the he would destroy the USA from the inside out.
    Hmmmm……How much more inside can you get than the commander in chief!

    Does Obama and his Muslim name mean nothing? We are at war with radical Muslims all over the world…and we elect one and give him control of the worlds most powerful military? And he is doing EVERYTHING possible to cripple this country, Or as Osama said….Destroy.

    If you ask me…he has a lot to hide.

    What amazes me is how many people hvae bought in to this cracker jack. People follow him like the pied piper oohing and aahing over everything he does. Where has common sense gone?

    • Joe P

      American ignorance and arrogance at it’s best.

      • Smilee

        Right on Joe

    • Tritonal

      Ol’ Georgie Soros bought “common sense” for $1 back around 1965 when LBJ said that ratcheting up the immigration head-count ten-fold would not affect anyone in large numbers–and then flooded the sovereign United States with some 50 million Mexicans and killed 50 million American fetuses with Roe vs. Wade. Common Sense is a commodity that seems in short supply these days. Connecting the dots, as you do here, is viewed as nothing more that some crazy conspiracy theory. Yet, the wonderful world of “islame” knows no clocks or schedules, and like a slow growing cancer, waits patiently for the right time. Whether the potus has connections, whether the state department is complicit…only God knows for sure, and he’s way too busy enjoying the culture in the petri dish to toss it in the autoclave just yet for a fresh start. We each have to draw our own conclusions, but the only reason we are smashing away on our keyboards is due to the United States Constitution and that assembly of prophets known as the Founding Fathers who understood the fragile yet fierce fire of Freedom and Liberty.

  • nonya

    Lou is one of the few with courage. The rest are coward and we will boycott all of them. Lou ought to quit that CFR controlled crap network and work somewhere that he can work to fully expose Bama and his world banker puppet masters. Bama is nothing but a front man in place to distract attention from the people that are really running the show. But he is a communist trojan horse that isn’t even eligible to be president masquerading as one. Everybody but the totally uniformed know he does not have a birth certificate. That’s a foregone conclusion. The American people are slowly waking up and at the rate things are going, its going to be a revolution all across the U.S.A. In the meantime HILLARY is in Kenya for the sole purpose of securing his real birth certificate

    • Smilee

      Quite an imagination you have there NONYA, you lovers of fiction and non believers of truth are a said lot. Dream on sweetie, it ain’t going to change a thing

    • old1

      Hillary will save the world from the usurper to still lead America onto Communism?
      Sounds like an Alinski plan to me.

      • Smilee

        Go sober up and then come back

    • quakergirl

      For the purpose of paying off Kenya to keeps its mouth shut, more likely.

  • tpm44

    it is a sad day for this country when a man who is simply trying to get to the truth is condemned, criticised and muzzled.
    lou dobbs is speaking the simple truth when he asks for proof of citizenship, this is our constituition you fools! this is freedom of speech plain and simple and all those who criticize that, well you are not americans you have converted to comunisim. freedom of speech is one of the things that makes this country great, you people are very misinformed and ignorant if you can’t be bothered to fight for what is right for this country, open your eyes before it is too late!

    • Smilee

      Don’t be fooled by his BS, he has the truth and he knows it, his job is to keep the ditto heads in line and you appear to be right in line. Its all fiction and no truth to it.

      • wow

        I have never seen anyone that is so against America. Are you even from here? You Have posted a reply to any who question BHO. USA is a republic and as a republic it is not far fetched for the people to demand that our leaders tell the truth. Sure BHO was elected but i know if we could have a do over which we will in 3 more years BHO would not have a chance. This president I fear does not care about this country he only wants to destroy it. Why would you defend him.
        If you are an American stand up and fight for America. BHO release the info and prove these concerned Americans wrong. Until then Smilee please stop putting people down just because they love this country and join in the fight to defend our constitution.

  • LB

    I find it interesting that anyone that doubts or disagrees is labeled a racist. You can not call me racist or a Republican, or even a redneck. Even though I believe Obama is legit, I would still like to see proof. After all, when I worked for the government I was required to jump through hoops to get my security clearance. Congress doesn’t have to have the same background investigation for access, they get elected. McCain showed his proof, so I don’t see any problem with our President doing the same.
    Do you folks remember when there was some discussion regarding Clinton’s citizenship? Probably not. It seems, and it may very well be false, that during the Vietnam crisis, Clinton wrote a letter denouncing his citizenship and went off to Oxford to study. I don’t know the details but there was some very brief news regarding it and then someone from the Dept of State (?) getting fired for leaking the information. Nothing ever showed up on that either, and it eventually died off. Republicans do not need to discredit the President to gain popular favor again. They will most likely redeem themselves, by default after our deficit grows way out of proportion, due entirely because of the steamrolling tactics of the Democrats. Sounds like I am a Republican, no – just stating the obvious.
    BTW……my short form birth certificate was not accepted for employment with the Dept of State. I had to get a “real” birth certificate.

    • Joe P

      True true makes one kinda miss the days of Bush at least with Bush we know what to expect. republians need only sit back and watch and laugh as this country falls deepper into chaos.

    • Smilee

      LB on August 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm:

      LB

      Racist, were the hell did you get that, this has nothing to do with his race. My original birth certificate was not accepted either by the government as they no longer accept those issued at the time I was born because it did not have the official state seal of certification which they now require but once did not. Guess what though, both contained the identical information as they came from the same record one is no longer legal the other is. I’ll bet that was the same in your case., Hell I even had to get a new SS card as the original from 1962 wasn’t acceptable to them, different looking card same information, the same as the birth certificate. Whats your problem man there is no evidence that to even remotely suggest that Obama birth certificate has probable cause to suggest it is a fraud and the state of Hawaii has certified it with the state seal that they have on record the information you seek. What poof would convince you?? This is all fiction and harassment of the President.

  • Renee

    I am from Peru, but I live in US
    I am not fan of your show(sorry), but lately, I heard a lot about you. I am so glad you are one of the persons,who has courage like very few now. Who are asking the Birth Certificate of your President. My country had very similar situation many years ago, with a JAPANESE peruvian President ” Alberto Fujimori”. Now he is in jail, he need to pay what he did. He had TWO periods, in the presidency, the first we like him a lot, he did really good , he erased the terrorism from my own country. We elected him AGAIN,”we fell again”, he showed us a false birth certificate. Until everybody started questioning more, and more about it. He stole a lot of money, and the “corruption ” increased. Some guy “Montesinos” (with Alberto Fujimori help),was paying a lot of money to many Congressmen, businessmen, all kind of the top people there,etc and he videotaped all that, nobody knew about it until somebody released one video…everybody was in shock! After that all the truth came out.
    Sorry to tell you all this , just I wanted to make my point, I know here is something wrong ,too!, Please do not stop!, this is still a GREAT country, I love your country, and all Americans need to know the truth, I know the politicians are dirty and trying to cover it up.

    Do not stop, this country needs to be save from so much corruption and to save your country!

    I admire you, and many people that I been talking,too!

    God Bless you and Bless America (and my country,too)
    Best Regards

  • Reagan4Ever

    Boy you guys are giving us conservatives a bad name! Did the Obama family consipre to have two Honolulu daily newspapers print birth announcements 48 years ago in anticipation that their son would one day become president? Watta bunch a idiots!

    • Joe P

      So which is it? was obama born in Hawaii or Indianaas some news sources claim?

    • Smilee

      Reagan4Ever on August 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

      Well, Well, a conservative that has some ability to think. Congratulations!!

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Steve

        Hey Smilee,
        It must be nice and dark and warm up there.

        • Smilee

          Steve

          I do not know, your up there you tell us, not that we are really all that interested in where you are

  • Reagan4Ever

    LB Wrote: “I find it interesting that anyone that doubts or disagrees is labeled a racist.”

    LB, meet Chris…

    Chris wrote: “Does Obama and his Muslim name mean nothing? We are at war with radical Muslims all over the world…and we elect one and give him control of the worlds most powerful military? And he is doing EVERYTHING possible to cripple this country, Or as Osama said….Destroy.”

    You can disagree, LB, but on this one you’re pairing yourself with the racists and whackos (and ignoring obvious proof contrary to your position).

    • LB

      Reagan4Ever,
      I guess I misunderstand you. Are you saying that because I would like to know the truth, and have our Gov Reps go through the same vetting that us peons go through, that I am taking the side of “racists?” My good friends of the Democratic party seem to find it easier to sling slurs than to focus on truth. Even though Obama is probably legit, it might be nice to settle this argument by providing legitimate proof. One theory has been that when Obama was born in Kenya (his grandmother’s statement that he was), that his mother called family in Hawaii to make the announcement. Possibly, her family fearing his non-citizen status called the hospital and announced that he was born at home. An affidavit to that fact could be obtained by a family member. Then, someone calls the newspapers to proudly proclaim the new birth. Of course, this is just a theory and not backed up by any fact,,,,yet.
      BTW…..if you knew me, you would laugh at calling me a racist.

      • Reagan4Ever

        LB:

        Didn’t call you a racist, just let you know that there are plenty of people up and arms about this president who would not be were he white or not of African heritage, and that there is plenty of racist claptrap (like Chris’ ignorant comments) from people in the birther’s camp.

        Otherwise, it’s useless to get overinvolved in this drivel. (his Hawaiin relatives had fears regarding his citizenship? C’mon). Do you realize that if there were anything to the birthers’ claims Congress (who unanimously certified the election) and the Bush Administration allowed the biggest fraud ever to be perpetrated on the American public? Do you think that the Dept of Homeland Security, the NSA, and the CIA would overlook evidence to the contrary? Why is no one of any rank talking about the possibility he’s not a citizen. I’ll tell you why; the claims are outrageous and the evidence unbelievable, while the evidence of his legitimacy is absolutely in order.

    • old1

      Nothing wrong with being paranoid, if there are really those out there that are trying to get you! Sometimes paranoia saves your bacon.

  • Joe P

    I just don’t get it. The birth certificate i keep seeing has the certificate number blocked out and the words this document becomes invalid if altered in any way. so doesn’t this unvalidate it. and also the birth certificate is from hawaii. I thought he was born in Indiana and moved to Hawaii in his teens. So WTF is going on?

    • Smilee

      OH Joe, Joe, Joe

      It is what is recorded in Hawaii that matters and the number being blacked out in no way prevents you from reading the rest, the one on factcheck.org has the number on it if it is that important to you. Joe no one ever said he was born in Indiana , many have alleged Kenya but never heard Indiana, however, you conservatives are known to have several set of facts on all issues so maybe some conservative has said that can’t keep up with all their silly accusations.

  • SFD

    Why doesn’t Obama just release his long-form birth certificate, medical records, and college records?

    What’s he got to hide from the American public?

    Why is the Media (MSNBC) so biased in favor of Obama?

    Why has Obama spent more than $800,000 (of our tax-payer money) in legal fees to fight/dismiss lawsuits filed against him to prove his eligibility?

    I wish more journalists would dig deeper into this issue and I support Lou Dobbs’ efforts to discover the truth!

    • LB

      Maybe it’s a case of the hand is quicker than the eye. Watch my left hand while my right hand does something I don’t want you to know about, or see. If I was Obama, I would use this distraction to do all those things that I want to do that I know the majority of the population would pitch a B…. about if they caught me doing them.
      I think Pelosi is the one that should really be watched. There is not a more dangerous woman in the world.

      • old1

        While everybody worries about the BC & COLBs no one sees the elephant hiding in the room. His father was not an American Citizen! Case Closed, he is not Natural Born.

    • Lindy

      Hey SFD… couple of things.

      1. You said “Why is the Media (MSNBC) so biased in favor of Obama?”
      The Media is NOT MSNBC. MSNBC’s average nightly audience is less than one million viewers. With a US population of 300 Million.. that means MSNBC is watched by one person for every 300 people… hardly a “media conspiracy”. MSNBC isn’t so much pro-Dem… it’s an antidote to the propaganda spewed by Fox-TV.

      2. You said “I wish more journalists would dig deeper into this issue and I support Lou Dobbs’ efforts to discover the truth!”

      Just curious, did you feel the same way about journalists digging deeper into Bush’ being AWOL from the National Guard? Didn’t you think it was odd that the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces was AWOL during a war? Do you think that someone wo used his daddy’s influence to avoid being sent to Vietnam
      should be the C-in-C? I guess it all comes down to what flavour of kool-aid you can swallow.

  • CodeFred

    The problems with the birther movement include (but certainly aren’t limited to) the following:

    1) The COLB and live birth announcement have been verified by a relatively bipartisan group of individuals in and outside of Hawaii. Furthermore, the original birth certificate have been examined by officials in the state. For the birthers’ theories to be logically sound, one would have to believe that all of these people are lying AND that they fabricated a significant amount of evidence in advance. In essence, they would have had to plan for Obama’s presidency before his birth.

    2) So far, the “evidence” produced by birthers discredits their case. The Kenyan BC has turned out to be such a forgery that even Birther HQ (WorldNetDaily) has refuted it.

    3) At some point, it is necessary to take note of those who surround you in a cause:
    -Orly Taitz: lawyer/dentist/real estate agent/blackbelt with a shady record as an “attorney”
    -Philip J. Berg: 9/11 conspiracy theorist, member of the laughable PUMA coalition
    -Jerome Corsi: 9/11 conspiracy theorist, promotes an abiotic theory of petroleum, accused of plagiarism by his own ilk
    - Alan Keyes: man who believes homosexual deviancy can be directly linked to natural disasters.

    If a group of Scientologists spearheaded a social crusade, would any sane person believe them? This is little different.

  • Joe P

    I’ve learned a long time ago that a man’s character is shaped mainly by the people he calls friend i simply have to research Obama’s past friends, mantors and people he sorrounded himself with to know for myself the truth of his character.How hard is it to dispeal these so called false accusations? yet no effort on his part has been done to the satisfaction of the critics. their only response is “like a religious fanatic, birthers cannotbe convinced.” just a bunch of cow manure i think.if they insist in showing us his birth certificate, can’t they show the certificate number? instead of blocking it out?or are they afrad of something being discovered?

    • LB

      Like I said before, it doesn’t matter which party side you are on, we ALL want to see a little more, BC, school transcripts, etc. If one has nothing to hide, than it shouldn’t be a problem. I have had to resubmit my security paperwork every five years, and my wife’s. Too bad our Gov leaders are exempt from most of this. Shoot, they don’t even do Social Security, so why should they care about fixing it? When asked if they would be willing to put themselves on Obama’s health plan, they all said “no” and one said he wouldn’t even put his dog on it. Don’t believe me, then read/watch the news.

      • Palin2012

        Not so, LB. I’m no supporter of the president, but I think all of this should stop. It’s ridiculous, and more than enough credible evidence of his citizenship has been put forth. School trascripts? Heck, I know people who went to school with Obama — is there some suggestion he didn’t (I know, the fabled, “foreign student” claim, just like the fictitous “$800,000 spent defending” claim, or Hillary Clinton’s “quick trip to Kenya” to quash the “newly discovered Kenyan BC”) — You actually believe this BS?

        • Smilee

          They don’t believe it really BS, its just they get their kicks out of harassing the president and for many it is their expression of hate for him

    • Smilee

      Joe P on August 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm:

      Why should he respond when he has proven these things, and it is only hard core conservatives who express concern and they are fanatics and in such a small minority now, so why bother as most know you can never satisfy everyone

      • frodnaps

        Gee, I think I’ll send you a label maker for Christmas! Comment not just for smilee, but many others on this forum. Have we forgotten that disagreement is the lifes blood of true Democracy? If we cannot disagree and talk about the issues without resorting to the tactics prevalent here, then we are lost. As my proof, ask what has been solved here by name calling, belittling etc. Little else besides chest beating, ill advised proclamation of ones superiority at other’s expense, and so on. Shame that the same is practiced by the vast majority in our government today (and yesterday, lest some percieve this as a veiled attack on a particular party, which it is not.) Obama did not start the fire by a loooong shot, but neither is he holding to his profession of being a unifying force. To save the effort of those who would cast me in their minds as this or that (hence the labelmaker comment), I consider myself to belong to no party, but a patriot,and I am disgusted by not only business as usual politics, but also our seeming need to belittle, label, and otherwise impugn those who disagree with us. I, for one, disagree with the tactics of which I have spoken. Show me a man here who wishes to be held a moron, pariah, terrorist or whatever when he has what to him, are legitimate concerns. Is there a man here capable of carrying on a dialogue with one with whom he may disagree, without stooping so low? If so, show yourself to me, please!

  • Chris

    Regan4ever….

    Realist, not racist….I think

    But let me ask…
    Am i racist because i believe illegals should have NO benefits in our country, and they actually have more and get more than me or,
    That there are millions of people on welfare who dont deserve it, and are perfecly capeable of holding down a JOB (most of which are not white), or
    Because if I need help i cant get it (because I am white), or
    Because i believe there are millions of people in this country that have ambitions of destroying it (most of which are muslim) or
    Because i think it odd that Obama is white, but is hailed as the first black president?
    And because i disagree with all he is, question his motives, wonder about his legitimacy, feel concern over his affilations….am i racist?

    Do you ever feel uncomfortable when you are followed, stared at, or confronted by a shady character, especially one of a race other than yours.Do you judge people on thier looks, or actions, or social status. Do you get nervous when you drive through the “hood”, maybe knowing you dont belong there?
    Does that make you a racist?

    I am a simpleton. A blue collar type, working from dawn till dusk to provide for my family. Two jobs thank you. Do not know a lot about politics and such, but i do have a brain, And i do know that the obamanation in the white house is a threat to me and mine, and i do not like what he does with my money, and it really pisses me off that he wants more of it.

    Am i a racist, or am i angry?

    • Palin2012

      Racist

    • old1

      Neither! You are just a Great American! Let no one change you.

    • Smilee

      Chris on August 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm:

      Angry for sure, you say “Realist, not racist….I think” suggests you are uncertain yourself if you are a racist or not but some of your statements suggest you are.

      old1, your statement suggests you are probably both as well, it takes one to know one.

      • old1

        Smilee, If I hate Communism and I meet a black man that is a Communist and I dislike him, does that make me a Racist? I’d dislike any Communist no matter what his (or her) heritage was. What is so hard to understand about truth, without any spin?

        • Smilee

          Really do not understand what you want or why. Racist to me is hating or discriminating against a person because of his color, do not get what being a communist has to do with that, maybe you know, you should it is your statement. I made this statement based on what you said in response to a racist statement of another. It is not spin it is my opinion as how I took your, statement only you know if it is true, I took you at your word and made no conclusion weather it was true or not.

    • B

      Chris,

      You and God (the One who has a son named Jesus) only know if you are a realist or racist. I will not speculate but say that you know.

      I want to correct one of your statements of fact. White people receive more welfare than black people. Black people only account for 12% of the US population. However a higher percentage of the black population receive welfare. The fact is that more White people benefit from welfare than black people. I trust that this does not offend you to know that more whites receive a hand-out than blacks. I hope that the fact that vastly more white farmers receive farm aid a type of government hand-out program also does not offend your strong sense of work ethic which I endorse.

      I believe that, IF it is as easy to prove as many of you write, then that President Obama should provide the most authentic or irrefutable evidence of his US birth and citizenship to simply close the debate on this matter.

      In closing, united we stand and divided we fall. We, the US citizens, have real enemies to fight, we are not one another’s enemy.

      • old1

        Chris, sadly today we are on two different sides. The future of America depends on the right side winning.

    • me

      Step #1 Build the damn fence already. Don’t tell me it can’t be done because I have seen guantanamo bay cuba. Everyone there knows not to mess with the fence. Build a fence from the pacific to the gulf and reinforce it with barbed wire, land mines, roving patrols, cameras and other sensory equipment, and big hungry attack dog zones.
      Step # 2 Upon completion or or during construction of said fence, publicly announce date/deadline that all illegals must file applications for citizenship or get out. give them 6-12 months tops.
      Step # 3 Upon set deadline start putting troops all over the US. Practice systematic filtering of illegals through checkpoints on interstates and main highways, search and seizure type unannounced raids in suspicious areas such as the work place and neighborhoods, any facilities that require security such as gov. buildings, airports, train stations, and bus terminals. put a lock down on their asses.
      Step # 4 Use railways and buses to send them to FEMA camps already all over the country. Sort and process them to determine whether to send them home(their own country), let them stay, or for the violent criminals…just shoot them after their fair trial.
      Step # 5 For the illegals that are going home…the few that are from far away will be relatively easy to provide transportation for. The rest should all be dropped off somewhere just on the other side of the fence with a bag/back-pack of food and water.
      PROBLEM SOLVED

    • Lindy

      Chris… you’re a racist or Joe the Plummer or maybe you’re both.

  • LB

    Palin,
    I think racist is a strong word. Being angry because one is not treated equally through no fault of his own, is not racist. It could cause it, but is not in itself a racist trait. Otherwise all my friends of color would also be deemed racist, because even though I love them all, they always show their “chip on the shoulder” or anger at the world.
    Think about that tonight when you face east and get down on your knees to pray to Obama.

    • Palin2012

      LB: As to Chris, Chris posited minorities as a welfare class — pretty unrealistic — and that as a white person he is unable to get the help that African Americans can. Sounds pretty ignorant to me. In any case, his question at the end was too much a softball to resist.

      As for you, I’m not a muslim, but what do you have against muslims? Just because there are extremist muslims, just like extremist christians, jews, etc., does that mean you should generalize about them and make jokes at their expense (“Think about that tonight when you face east and get down on your knees to pray to Obama”)? I won’t call that racist or ignorant, since I know you are sensitive about that.

      • LB

        By the way, I was joking about the facing East. No meanness meant.
        I have lived all over the world and have not met anyone that I didn’t like. That’s including the many Muslim folks I know. I am not defending myself, but thought you might like my “transparency” There are a lot of white folks that have had to stand in line for their turn. Affirmative action has given some folks unfair advantage for the past forty years, and now there are some who resent it. Most folks hold it in, but there are some who have just had too much of it shoveled at them and now they are speaking up. It doesn’t make them racists. It just makes them angry. I think you would agree that it is reasonable to expect this. They probably feel that the recipients of the benefits should be grateful, instead of holding that “chip on the shoulder” attitude. Life isn’t easy, but lets hope that the current administration doesn’t make it harder, even with good intentions.

        • Palin2012

          LB — you’re Chris, aren’t you?

          You’re attempts to sound reasonable ring hollow bud. You’re entitled to your opinion, but don’t think you’re sounding worldly Brother. You sound a bit sheltered.

          You think African Americans have it easier in this country due to affirmative action?

        • LB

          I am not Chris, but I can empathize with him.
          I know you will call me a racist or bigot, but yes minorities (not just blacks) did have an advantage due to affirmative action. And I have heard black leaders admit it and say that it is no longer needed. You can disagree, but if you are a minority, you know it is true.
          Sheltered? Where in the world do you get that? I have been in three wars. I am a disabled veteran and still worked long enough to retire. I am careful with my money, but generous with my words, ha,ha. I have worked my way up to a decent position in a job that I really enjoyed, with the federal government. I retired because it was time to head back to the U.S. of A and get involved in my family’s lives. Even though no one has ever called me a racist, I am not offended if someone decides to, because that is normally a “liberal’s” defensive mechanism — calling names. I have always worked with facts, so I have no patience with folks that accuse without the facts. That’s one of the reasons that I am curious about Obama’s background. I did not vote for him, but I would have voted for Colin P. if he would have entered the race. I have worked for him in the past, and chatted with him on several occasions, and find him to be the genuine article.
          I enjoyed this little tit for tat and hope you didn’t take anything personal. I don’t care what political party one is affiliated with. I live with the philosophy of ” you deserve what you work for”, if you don’t work, you don’t eat. Although, I am the first person to shell out to charity or buy someone a meal. I just don’t like the government telling me that I have to work so someone lazy can live better. I think I will go cut the grass or something.

  • LB

    Palin,
    Nope, I don’t believe the “BS” as you call it. But, I also don’t take everyone’s word for it when they want to sell our country down the river, just because they say “trust me.” To put a stop to this cr-p one only needs to be as “transparent” as one says he will be. He is the “one” you know. I say, put out or get out. It’s too late to get out, but maybe he would walk with a little less swagger if he knew that we had his real history. No one likes secrets. I could care less where he was born. He needs to be transparent or shut up. We are in a very tough time. He needs to read that new health plan so he can see what Congress is trying to slide across his desk. All of congress needs to read it. We are about to be turned into one of the possible scenarios and the folks, whether Democrat or Republican need to wake up. By the end of next year, this administration will have increased our deficit by four hundred percent. No amount of taxing will fix it then. He said we should reach across the isle to the other party to fix our country. He isn’t doing that and it is causing a lot of resentment.

  • me

    AN OPEN LETTER TO "BARRY"

    Dear Mr. Obama(or whatever your REAL name is),
    I am writing you as a concerned NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN, an armed forces veteran, and adamant supporter of the United States Constitution. I have a bone to pick with you sir. It is my understanding that there is serious, legitimate questions concerning your background and meeting eligibility requirements for the office of POTUS. It is also my understanding that you have spent large sums of money to keep information that would clearly prove your legitimacy away from public veiw. If you are indeed a natural born US citizen….then prove it. Just simply make all relative and pertinant information available so that we can all accept you as our true president. It’s not just because you would otherwise arguably be in contempt of your oath of office, but because you really care about the state of our union and want what’s best for this country. Among many other things, right now I’d say legitimate leadership and representation is one of the things that this country needs most. Judging by your actions, I assume that you disagree. The fact that you have yet to come clean is indicative of your guilt. While you may be entitled to play this infantile legal game of cat and mouse, I will argue that it is (as you might put it)…”acting stupidly.” It isn’t just about faithfully excecuting the office of the presidency and/or preserving, protecting, and defending the constitutionton to the best of your ability… but equally so, a gesture of good will intentions, respect for the american people, the integrity of our military, and the transparency you so eagerly promised during the campaign. It’s about sending a clear message to WE THE PEOPLE that you really are looking out for our best interests. But you’re not doing that, are you Barry? Can you smell it Mr. Obama? It’s been coming from your mouth for quite a while. It’s the unmistakable stench of BULLSHIT. And from what I can tell, the American people are tired of bullshit. You need to be honest and open about this situation in order to prove your supposed rightful place as our president…otherwise, your just some rich nigger from Kenya.

    • Smilee

      The Bullshit gets deeper and deeper, have you no shame??????????????

      • me

        none whatsoever. I speak loud and proud of what I have to say.

        • Smilee

          I hear your you but it does not change the fact that it is still all Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!

    • LB

      Your attempt at humor is a failure at best. That IS racist! We have had a good discussion until now. Go home and wash your mouth out with soap.

      • me

        LB…I assure you that my post was not intended to be humorous. I find nothing funny about the situation. And NO I wasn’t being racist. I regret to say that I was distracted and was unable to post my explaination of my last sentance(see below) before you accused me of such a niggardly thing as racism. I’ll glady wash my mouth if you agree to read a dictionary to find the literal definition. lol

    • me

      Oh yeah…and before anyone accuses me of racism, I’d just like to say that I meant and always mean the word “nigger” in the literal sense…not as a derogatory term against black folks. For those that don’t know the literal definition, it essentially means a low down dirty selfish liar, theif, and cheat. The last time I used the word “nigger”, it was to describe an upper middle class white guy that stole from his buisness partner and ripped off his employees of their paychecks. This, in my opinion, is niggardly behavior.

      • LB

        Then it WAS humor. Because whether you believe it or not, what you said is a racial slur. Hey, I can take it. But, that word is a racial slur no matter how you rationalize it. Just because you know the book definition, doesn’t change it. If you called him a bastard, and explained what you meant by reading out of the dictionary, it wouldn’t change the fact that you were trying to slam him. I know that you aren’t stupid, because you can read. But, I think we get what you were trying to say. I see a confederate flag every day, but I don’t think of it as a racial thing. I think of it as a faction of folks that want to remember that the U.S. of A. was once split up. I also remember that history says we lost many more Americans in that war than we did in Vietnam. As a matter of fact, we lost as many men in one battle in PA as we did in Vietnam.
        I am very mad at how our Gov. is being run right now. But, I know that if Pelosi was removed, Obama wouldn’t have a chance to screw things up. We have enough decent folks in Congress that would do the right thing. THey are just afraid of her right now.
        One thing you won’t do by calling names, and that is change the Dems way of thinking. Leave it to the Democrats to throw stones. When they run out of stones, we will step in and rebuild America for the folks that want to be free. The ones that believe there isn’t a free lunch. That everyone gets what they work for and no one is treated special.

        • me

          I wouldn’t exactly call it humor. Maybe sarcastic. Or dry, slightly cynical humor. I wont argue the inflamatory nature of my language. I was going to use the word “turd” instead. But pushing a few buttons I sometimes find irresistable. You tend to get a more blunt and honest response from someone who’s a little heated. And I wouldn’t call it a rationalization either. If you knew me personally, and not just as some stranger on the net, you’d know I’m obviously not racist. And it isn’t about rebel flags or southern pride either. It’s literally about his and others’ niggerly conduct. The literal definition applies to MANY of our so called “representatives”. And you’re damn right I was slamming him. He seems to be slamming us pretty hard right now. Call it a reactionary response for lack of a better term. The dude went nuts with his authority! I have a hard time believing it, but I dare say, even more so than Bush. WTF!!! By the time the last “nig”W”ger” was done delivering his crushing blows to the state of our union, our nation was arguably at one of the most crucial points in our history…or so we thought. If we don’t get some real “change” NOW, RIGHT NOW, as in yesterday now, instead of this media led infatuating out of thin air messiah wrecks our economy bullshit…WE THE PEOPLE, our national sovereignty, our constitution, our economy, our culture, and our way of life are destined to an irreversable course to oblivious fukdom. Not to be chicken little, but most won’t argue the mess we’re in. And oh yeah…Pelosi…she’s a nigger too.

    • old1

      me, tell us what you think Brother! Hang in there!

      • me

        Yeah, I know I am a bit abrasive,but I can’t help it. I am a bottom line thinker. I call it like I see it. And it’s my right to do so. My whole issue with the birth cirtificate thing is that there is good reason for those requirements to be POTUS. Our founding fathers brilliantly concluded that the president must have an inherant biased to the United States… that the POTUS should have no other national interests conflicting with what is best for our more perfect union. Who else would be better suited than a person that was born here, and lived here at least several(14) years? The requirement of being at least 35 is so some stupid kid with an extreme lack of wisdom doesn’t completely wreck our country. With obama, we know he has strong ties to other countries and his actual place of birth is in reasonable question. I think that the constitution should be honored and respected. I think he should think this too if he really does take his oath seriously. But he refuses to show to the satisfaction to an already large and ever growing number of americans, conclusive documented proof that he was born here. The BC he provided was kinda lame because it isn’t conclusive. Considering that it is so simple to just put his cards on the table, yet refuses, only makes me question things further. There’s only 2 reasons I can think of why he wont show us. Either because he was born on something besides US sovereign territory, or because his father wasn’t a US citizen. Both of which would make his position as acting POTUS null and void. And if he did run for and accept his office as a non-natural born citizen, he knowingly decieved everyone, and broke the law. If this is the case we all would like to know so we can ask him to step down, or start impeachment hearings. If he IS a natural born US citizen, then we should graciously thank him as a populace and drop the subject. We need piece of mind. Show the vault copy to an independant group of experts barry.

  • BREAL

    “WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”

    Is not wrong to ask. Those who request it are not crazy.

    The answer has the potential to be devastating, and those afraid of the answer will try desperately to make it a moot point.

    Commend those who support the “birther” movement.

    BREAL

    • Smilee

      What you crazy people cannot seem to get though your heads is the question has been answered, weather you like it or not he is a natural born citizen and a fact you will never change. How can a question already answered still be relevant and it is a moot point weather you choose to believe the truth or not is up to you but whatever you choose it will not change this fact.

      • old1

        Smilee, take the time to tell me what you think a Natural Born American Citizen is; is Tony Blair a Natural Born American Citizen? He is living in the US of A now?
        He too was born a British Citizen, just like Senator Obama. Who would not be (to you) a Natural Born American Citizen?

        • Smilee

          Read the fourteenth amendment of the constitution, Someone who is born in the united states would be, some argue that it requires more but court decisions accept being born in the country makes you a citizen and the courts have extended the same to those not born in the US as in the case of Goldwater and McCain. and you are wrong about Obama being born a British citizen he was born in the United States and that does not make you a British Citizen. If Tony Blair was born in the US he then too would have US citizenship, do not know where he was born.

  • BREAL

    here’s a petition…….. ~445,000 crazy people want to see the birth certificate (LONG FORM).

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

    BREAL

  • Publius

    I’m a white guy from Maryland, making me a U.S. citizen, or at least I thought I was. To make sure I went to get my birth certificate from my mother, but all she had was a black and white photocopy that had been embossed by some Maryland State Agency. So, I went to the state of Maryland’s government website, and ordered an official copy of my birth certificate. What I received in the mail a few weeks later (I live in Illinois now) was a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. Funny, it looks just like Barack Obama’s. So I guess I can’t prove that I’m a U.S. citizen to the birthers – oh wait, yes I can, I’m white and have an Irish last name. No prob.

    • old1

      Publius, were you born in Maryland to two (2) American Citizen Parents at the time of your birth? And have you never ever been a Citizen of any other foreign country? If all these things are true you are a Natural Born American Citizen. If any one of the above are false you can only hope to be a “citizen” and thus, you are not eligible for the office of POTUS, being that you are not Natural Born. Even our founding fathers knew they were not Natural Born. They were all born British Citizens at birth and had British Citizen parents. To allow somebody the right to be President in 1787 when they added Natural Born as a requirement for the office of POTUS, they had to add “unless you are a Citizen of the US at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”. Our first 10 Presidents used this language to hold office. They were all Citizens before 1787 when the Constitution was adopted. But that was then and this is now. No one alive today was a Citizen way back in 1787. Thus today every President has to be a Natural Born American Citizen. A simple “citizen” can’t qualify. Both his parents have to be American Citizens at his birth and his birth has to happen on American Soil. Tell Barry thanks, but no thanks, we’ll find a real Natural Born American to take his place.

  • mary

    We need one of our own kind in the White house, not Obama the Kenyan. I know he is Kenyan born. All the facts support it, and no fact supporting belief in the Hawaii theory. Republicans are fact based, and that drives the libs crazy. That’s why they are so scared about this birth certificate issue. Obama is going down the tubes. His approval rating is hovering around 30% now. What I fear most is him making a power grab before he’s tossed out. Hang on to your guns! Protect yourselves! President Palin will be here in 2012 or sooner if BO is booted out.

  • Trel

    Yes, the “overwhelming evidence” is overwhelming only to Liberals and other Obamatrons.
    Therein lies the problem. Obama supporters are just too lazy to do any research. Perhaps they can’t read or don’t want to break away from Idol or Judge Judy.

  • ONTIME

    A subject of growing interest this Birth Certificate and it could be resolved so easily by simply producing the verifiable document but so far there is only word of mouth and a begruding uncredentialed man claiming to be the POTUS. My hat is off to those like Lou Dobbs for showing grit and refusing to be intimidated by the loud mouthed bullies who wnat this issue to go way and be swept under the rug. Either produce the proof that is legally sought or keep your mouth shut and let the law run it’s course, there is legal restraint on much of O’bamas records that reveal his history and his substance but they are being kept away at the cost of employing a legal firm. Have you asked yourself WHY? I would like to speculate but the fact remains that by law this man should not have even been a candidate and here again is the failure of not enforcing our laws and the import they represent to a nation of laws.

  • Doc Dolan

    Smilee,

    I could comment on a lot of your postings … but I’ll limit it to just one of yours to show what knowledge you obvously DON’T HAVE. I will also respond to one other that I don’t remember who wrote above, and I am too lazy to go back and reread them to find it.

    ASK A LAWYER – In the Courts – if the Defendant DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING … he or she loses. Period. A DEFAULT JUDGEMENT is taken by the Plaintiff and usually (in most states) signed off on and the Default is granted by the Court Clerk – as a matter of LAW! A FEW cases still have to go to a real Judge to get a final Default in certain circumstances when the Clerk of the Court is prohibitted from granting the Default.

    In order for a Judge / Court to make a declaration of “Plaintiff Has No Standing” the DEFENSE must put forth written, and in something like this probably oral arguments, showing reasons, logic, and LAW be it written statutes or case law, that shows the “Plaintiff has no standing”. Usually it is done with a MOTION TO DISMISS, backed up with the DEFENDANTS AFFIDAVIT and a ‘page or sixteen’ of MOTIONS AND AUTHORITIES, making it as easy as possible for the jurist to rule for them. THIS is how cases are decided prior to trial!

    If Obama did nothing in response (ei: spent no money) there would already be a plethora of Court Orders demanding he produce everything that has been sued for across the nation.

    HINT: This is most assuredly done on his behalf by Lawyers (as I cant see the Big O going in to court “In Proper Person”) and lawyers COST MONEY! Even when you are the POTUS. Check the FEC Reports to see just how much he has openly declared he has spent for those lawyers.

    One poster siad we should try and get a copy of our own BC and see what we get. Well, I DID – 2 years ago, in Feb 2007. When travelling to the Bahamas for a weekend, my new ‘chipped’ passport had not yet arrived. Because the US was in ‘passport transition’ at that time the Bahamas agreed that those on pre-booked cruise ships could produce “Certified Copies of their BC’s” and gain temporary entry visas. I ordered mine from the Registrar of Vital Statistics in Buffalo, New York. I received, and still have, a photocopy of my “Original BC” with an addition of an affirmation, an embossed City of Buffalo Seal and the signature of the current Registrar of Vital Statistics stating it was a “true and complete copy of the original”, filed in 1949. THAT is what the so-called ‘birthers’ want – just the facts. By spending all of the money he has spent to suppress it only leads the average logically thinking person to deduce “what is he hiding”? NOBODY hides facts that would exonerate himself! NOBODY!

  • Don Yates

    Obama does not want to show the long form of his birth certificate, because it says he’s white. LOL

  • DixieConnie

    Let us not forget, and in case we do forget, Obama continues to remind us “I am the President”. Is it the people he wants to keep reminding or is it himself. Which one keeps forgetting? He is a crazy man and he will NOT now or ever come clean on this.

  • LB

    Obama is really not a threat. Pelosi is the power and if she was removed, Obama would not be able to get any of his socialist ideas passed. Pelosi has so many moderate Democrats scared that they pee their pants when she walks into a room. She is determined to crush and destroy our country for some reason,,,probably anger. Obama would be just a much influence as Jimmy Carter did, if Pelosi wasn’t there to support him. Obama has never done anything by himself. That is why many liberals are scared of Palin. She has done a great job in Alaska. Heck, they are still trying to destroy her, even after the election is way over. They know that she could beat Obama next election, and do it on her own. They have the audacity to rip on her speaches. Have you listened to Obama say somethin that isn’t writen for him? He gets himself in trouble every time. Smiley is just another liberal that finds that by throwing stones at someone, they have to be defensive. He is just a blow hard with nothing to back up what he says.

  • Jim

    You Idiots…He did come clean. He has shown his birth certificate. He is an American. He is the President. There is something seriously wrong with you people. But keep it up, as all those who can read will see just how demented the right wing really is. Glenn Beck is not a wierdo in your camp!

    • Lindy

      Hey Jim… I think you’re on to something. I’ve always wondered how Glenn Beck got a job on TV. Seriously, he should be on the Comedy Network after The Daily Show and the Coldert Report. However, after reading some of the lunacy posted here, I can understand how some of these people could actually look up to Glenn Beck as their intellectual hero. It’s still scary… but I’m beginning to understand it.

    • quakergirl

      I am a genealogist- Obama did not show anything- a web blog showed it and it was never presented at court – for a good reason- it is probably a photoshop piece. Also it is not a birth certificate. If for instance, you wanted to get in the DAR, that Live Birth thing would not be considered good enough proof because it does not show all the details of the original birth certificate- long form.

      • Jim

        You are wrong. He did show his birth certificate. You may say you are geneaoligist, but I don’t know if you are, since so many people lie in this blog, how can i tell you really are. Even if you are so what. HE DID SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. He was born in the United States of America. John McCain on the other hand was born in the Canal Zone, NOT in the USA, but the courts said that an military base is in some sense America. I’m willing to accept that, because I’m reasonable, sane, and not full of hate.

        Again, I’m kind of glad you are all showing your true colors. Did you miss your promised trip to the space ship behind the comet? Is that why you’re coming up with this stuff? You really are scary.

        • James M

          “John McCain on the other hand was born in the Canal Zone, NOT in the USA”

          According to McCain’s birth certificate he was born in Colón, and not in the industrial strip of Colón that was in the Canal Zone. The hospital that he was said to have been born in wasn’t built yet.

          Sen. McCain is a natural born citizen by virtue of his parents, not his birthplace.

          President Obama is a natural born citizen by virtue of his birthplace, but arguably not his parents — since his mother was only 18 at the time. There actually is a hypothetical case to be made that under 1961 laws a person born to an 18 year old citizen and a foreigner on foreign soil would have to become naturalized. This idea is irrelevant to Obama, and actually illustrates a civil rights issue that was later corrected.

          This gets nowhere with the “birthers” of course, but Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because Hawaii says so. Until and unless someone actually brings evidence to charge the state officials there with criminal charges of forgery and fraud, that is how it will stand.

          Anything else is avoiding the issue. Unless you can show that the state engaged in forgery, the COLB stands and there’s not even a mechanism by which to challenge it. Nobody has seriously claimed it was a forgery, they just point to the red herring of what hasn’t been shown. That’s irrelevant. (Birthers — you don’t have to convince *ME*, so there’s no point in arguing with *ME*. Bring criminal charges against the “forgers” or you have nothing and you never will get anywhere.)

        • quakergirl

          The type 2 form he showed was given to anyone in Hawaii who has one witness declaring he was born there- this was even given to foreigners who have a witness like a relative. It is not a birth certificate- it is a certificate of live birth which is different. Contrary to rumors, Hawaii has neve confirmed that the blog copy is authentic and Obama has never presented it himself- it was originating from someone who knew someone who said it was a “document” issued in 2007. Obama never said it was his. And it was also made with photoshop which is suspiscious. I used to be like you and believed, but not after I looked at what they are saying.

          • Smilee

            quakergirl.

            birth certificate and certificate of live birth are names to describe the same document some states use one and others the other. What makes it official is the Stamp on the document that only the state can give and no software can reproduce that. What the document means is this is the information recorded in the states official record and includes the date it was recorded, in Obama’s case it recorded when he was four days old and yes, Hawaii has said this information is recorded there, the July 2007 date is the date the state issued that particular certificate. To bad you are incapable of understanding how this really works cause then you would understand the truth, being, he was born in the state of Hawaii and it was recorded by them when he was only four days old. If you go get a copy of your own birth certificate this is what you will get to. Simple and it amazes me how many simple minds cannot seem to comprehend it.

  • Jack Kinch(1uncle)

    His actions are unamerican enough whether or not he has a birth certificate. Of course if he had one why not just show it. Pass it around at a press conference. Let it be verified finally. Dobbs must be right.. This health care bill is as unamerican as he is.
    Stephen Fraser is an Anesthesiologist in Indianapolis wrote this

    See what you think of his letter.

    Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh. Feel free to copy it and send it a
    round to our other representatives.

    Stephen Fraser

    July 23, 2009

    Senator Bayh,

    As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the healthcare bill
    before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the
    brazenness of the government’s proposed involvement in the patient physician
    relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration
    patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a
    healthcare system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees
    that we need to fix our healthcare system, but the proposed bills currently
    making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.

    I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following
    troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe
    that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow
    citizens.

    Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all
    employers that self insure!!

    Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides
    what treatments/benefits you get.

    Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
    Benefits for you. You have no choice!

    Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens ,
    illegal or otherwise

    Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a
    National ID Healthcard will be issued!

    Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank
    accounts for elective funds transfer.

    Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families
    in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

    Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC
    plans in the Exchange.

    Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The
    Govt will ration your Healthcare!

    Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.
    Example – Translation: illegal aliens.

    Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN &
    Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

    Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP
    members – your Health care WILL be rationed.

    Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be
    automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

    Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No !
    “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.

    Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association – The
    Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

    Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public
    option plan. NO CHOICE!

    Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND
    their families.

    Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not
    provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

    Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business’s with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn’t
    provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

    Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC
    according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
    taxes. (Americans will pay)

    Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access
    to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

    Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be
    treated as tax” Yes, it says that!

    Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for
    Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

    Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have,
    you’ll all be paid the same!

    Page 25! 3 Line 1 0-18: Govt sets value of Doctor’s time, profession,
    judgment etc Literally value of humans.

    Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC
    industries.

    Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven
    wheelchairs.

    Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer
    patients – welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems
    preventable re-admissions.

    Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission th at
    results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

    Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors
    what/how much they can own!

    Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating
    hospitals cannot expand.

    Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT commun
    ity input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

    Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based m
    easures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

    Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans
    , HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

    Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
    Unbelievable!

    Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory
    Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

    Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think
    Senior Citizens end of life patients.

    Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills ,
    durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of
    life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

    Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The
    Govt has a say in how your life ends.

    Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consultant” will be used
    frequently as patients health deteriorates.

    Page 429 Lines 10-12: “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for
    end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

    Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end
    of life order.

    Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will
    have at end of life!

    Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations.
    Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

    Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly
    payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

    Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which
    means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

    Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining,
    creating, rationing those services.

    Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform
    patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills
    you and your colleagues are debating.

    Furthermore, If you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the
    country and destroys the doctor/patient relationship, I will do every thing
    in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

    Respectfully,

    Stephen E Fraser MD

    • Jim

      I will accept that you are an MD, but it is clear that in these pages so many people lie that I cannot be sure that’s the case. Actualkly, the way your ranting reads, I would challenge you have the education to be a physician. The vocabulary and the tone don;t sound terribly professional. But assuming you are, don’t you have a vested interest in telling lies here or at least disrtorting the truth?

      A lot of what you write here is distortion and your own paranoid way of looking at it.

      For one, you neglect to tell people that the health care that tey’re getting will not disappear. There will be an alternative, however, BY CHOICE!!!

      A few points

      “Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all
      employers that self insure!!”

      So what? Only a paranoid will find fault here.

      “Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
      Benefits for you. You have no choice!”

      Not true, you can keep your own insurance if you want it. This is a lie!

      “Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families
      in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).”

      Does it say ACORN or is that your invention. Let me think about that.

      “Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of
      life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)”

      This is ludicrous. The government will provide a consultant to help you with a living will. This provision was insisted upon by a Republican, and is indeed a good idea. It is NOT what you say it is. You are dishonest.

      Enough of this. I know there is nothing, truth, logic, reason, or morality that will ever change your minds. I am wasting my time.

      • Smilee

        Thanks Jim, one additional comment, advice concerning living wills is totally voluntary not required and Medicare will only pay for one consultation each five years, I agree it is a good idea, I’m on medicare and I had to pay for it myself and I believe it is the right thing to do. To bad the haters are out in full force here to scare the crap out of people.

  • Rodger

    Obama, Lets see it…………………or get out of office.

    • James M

      >Obama, Lets see it…………………or get out of office.

      He also has the option of totally ignoring you. Do you think he’s afraid you might not vote for him in 2012? He got elected without you before, and he knows you are a lost cause.

  • Margaret

    The health care proposal concerns listed above appear to be government’s way of running every facet of our lives through this one document. It should be mandated that all congress, senate members and their families be placed under this system also. Additionally, term limits for these members mean nothing as when they leave office, they continue to receive full pay for life (and family members thereafter reap same benefits.) We need to change the government in so many ways as to prevent all these shenanigans (sp). God help us.

    • LB

      Or we can live in a pot induced dream world like Smiley…..

      • Smilee

        LB

        pot induced?????? never tried pot, actually it is because of my intelligence something you would know nothing about seeing as you have none

  • gerrod

    Just produce the goods and get it over with! Show me the money–I mean the certificate.

  • http://none Barbara Gilbert

    It’s about time someone supported finding out the truth about BO. Thank you Mr. Dobbs for having the courage to follow your convictions instead of the media’s “Slobbering Love Affair…”

  • Taxing My Patience

    Mollybeejay, a correction to your statement, if you please.

    Mr. Obama is not black. He is caucasian, arab and a small percent black. Please do not refer to him as black. You are upsetting the black community who did not vote for and do not like him. I happen to be one of those people.

    Thank you.

    Mr. Obama can stop all of this by doing one simple little thing: Provide the public with his long form birth certificate that hasn’t been photoshopped or retouched and everyone will probably shut up about it.

    That’s not an unreasonable request, considering the fact that many Americans do not believe he was born in Hawaii.

    • Average Guy

      Dear TMP

      Thank you. Your comment is the best of anything written on this subject to date.

  • Proud White American

    I agree with Lou and Bill. But it is too late; Obama is in. What is important is that we guide Obama and he needs guidance. If we do not, we will be the (The United Socialist States of America!) In my heart, I do not believe any of us want socialism.

    • Smilee

      Proud White American

      Sorry but your statement makes it sound like you are actually a Stupid White American

  • Norma

    I for one would like to know how all of you who believe Mr. Obama is such a great American will feel when all our freedoms that people like my husband fought and died for are taken away. Wake up you guys , before it’s too late. He’s already trying to take our guns, our freedom of speech and our religous preferences will be next. Not only “GOD BLESS AMERICA”, but “GOD HELP AMERICA”.

  • Lin Bradley

    Does anyone know about the various Grand Juries that are being set up to indict BO for usurping the office of the POTUS? There is one in GA and a few in other states. These have 25 members and have more power than the SCOTUS. Orly Taitz is such a heroine for her sacrifice of time, finances and personal safety for going after the truth about this criminal element involving the stealing the office of the POTUS. How could an unknown Senator who never did ONE thing in three years become POTUS without the help of socialists and their money and Chicago cronyism. The 2008 election was a criminally devised scheme going back many years to crooked politics beginning in Chicago and DC. This did not happen over-night. If we think we can leave him in the WH to placate the black population we have another think coming. If this happens, you can throw out the Constitution that 56 men died for giving up the freedoms, fortunes and sacred honor. If we don’t stop this historic fraud, we aren’t worthy of being Americans. That’s all! God help us as we pray and work to remove this liar from our White House and return our country to a Republic of sanity.

  • Laura

    To SMILEE – You obviously don’t know much about REAL birth certificates. The one that you would get from your state looks nothing like the empty internet image of a “certification of live birth” that you want to believe proves something for Obama! Just because liberal bloggers say it’s true does not MAKE it true! Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and check out other sources!

    • Smilee

      Laura,

      Actually mine looks exactly like his and it comes from another state, The one my parents got when I was born did not have the seal as is now required and SS would not accept so I recently got a new one that did and both have the same info the lastest one has the seal as does Obama’s and the seal cannot be produced by any software. The kool aid us liberals drink contains a truth serum, you ought to try it, it would set things straight for you.

  • Affirmative Action Grad

    Repeat after me:

    Any criticism of Obama is racist.

    Any questioning of Obama is racist.

    Any resistance to Obama is “stupid,” uh, I mean racist.

    Any person who did not vote for Obama is racist.

  • Eric g

    What the presidents name He started school as Barry
    Soetoro , he was born as Barrack and Graduated from college and ran for president as Barrack Oboma
    Did he legaly change his name or has he just used two names off and on . to double his oppertunities ,or maybe cut his responsiblities in half .
    I understand he never lived with his father , if He was born on August 4 like he says , becuase his mother had him in Wahington State on about the 15 of August 1961 . His father left The Island before Oboma returned in 1962 . Oboma doesnt know this he can only go by what he has been told . But he does know how and why for all his name changes .
    And he knows these names will be on his records , let us see them , and tell us why he used various names . I dont believe anybody would fill in blank for the question of race as north american , neither should they use african . South african is boors or white central african should be black and north african arab . Oboma’s african tribe were formally nomads caring jewish or arab blood ,mixed with negroe . True his father may have called himself arab rather than negro or black .

  • Clarizona

    I can’t believe people in general, the lazy media (who don’t do investigative reporting anymore), congress, the senate and supreme court are so uninformed and uneducated that they do not know what the constitution says about the requirements to be president of the US. We do not need to see the real birth certificate to know that Obama is not eligible to be president. To be eligible you have to be a NATURAL born citizen. NATURAL BORN means to be born on US soil to parents who are BOTH US citizens. The uninformed media commentators keep insisting that Obama is a citizen. Duh. That is not even the issue. We also need to see his documents from Indonesia and his school records when he first came to the US and traveled to Pakistan without a US passport. There’s a high probability that he may not even be a citizen because of his adoption in Indonesia.

    • Smilee

      Uniformed and educated?? Your only claim to fame is your arrogance you are certainly not educated or knowledgeable

  • Eric g

    The government already dictates who can and can not treat sick people for the doctors . My neihbors were collecting clostrom milk to sell to sick people .
    This sold like hot cakes to farmers who have mostly seen the power of this milk . A good 10 once drink can keep a newborn calf dancing threw snowbanks at ten below zero . My neihbors were making good money and thought they were helping people . I think it was FDA that came with guns took all the milk and locked the farmers up . The drug companies and the doctors did not want this competition . They could never get fda aproved . No doctor or politican got their sentence reduced either.
    But I think these guys may have been onto something . Dont try to tell me we are losing our freedom to choose , Thats been gone a long time ago . Now we have to reduce costs ,becuase the great medical care in this country has gone to far .they are attempting to take all the money left . leaving nothing for food ,or debts , especialy government debts .

    • James M

      Police report and/or court docket numbers or it didn’t happen.

  • David Hall

    TO LATE TO CRY ABOUT IT NOW!!
    Even if Obama was born outside U.S. soil, I’d like to see anybody try to impeach him.
    What a joke. Some folks would BURN America to the ground, if they ever tried to
    impeach Obama for anything. That’s not a racial statement, it is a historical fact.
    Obama, is bullet proof and untouchable and way above any LAW. So folks, we got
    3 1/2 long, long years to get use to it. Plus, Obama knows it.

  • Dan

    I read the transcripts of Dobb’s comments. He isn’t advocating pro or con on the question of where Obama was born. He is simply stating the obvious–that Mr. Obama should release the original long form and other documents which would prove his claim of birth in a hospital in Hawaii. “Transparency” demands no less.

    For the most part the entire discussion on this topic is pure speculation, though we do know for a fact that one could be born elsewhere in 1961 to a Hawaiian who has established residency and the state would issue a birth certificate with no verification that the affidavit filed by that Hawaiian was truthful.

    The statements of Hawaiian officials are meaningless as they simply reaffirm what we all know now–that they have SOME KIND of birth certificate on file for Mr. Obama. You will notice that neither they or the hospital where he claims to have been born, will confirm that alleged hospital birth.

    Look at McCain’s long form hospital-issued certificate, look at your own (if you were born in a hospital in the U.S.) and look at samples of hospital certificates from Hawaii in 1961. It is clear that they are vastly more detailed and verifiable than that “certification” document. Obama claims to have been born at a hospital in Hawaii, if true he has a document on file that will lay this matter to rest conclusively.

    Let’s see the birth certificate.

    • Smilee

      Stating the obvious, there is nothing obvious about it, and its all garbage anyway,

  • http://aol gladys

    obomma may or may not be a citizen—but whatever–he needs to start acting like an AMERICAN

    • Smilee

      Might you be from Russia or some place like that?

  • Pat M

    As this issue (hopefully) simmers, cools, and dies it’s own smelly death, I hope that the perpetrators of this fraud are recognized for their motives. The discourse that has gone on here and elsewhere reveals the underlying inability of some Americans to accept the democratic processes of our recent election. The right-wing media has stirred up some nasty business with lies, false innuendo, racism, and an actual stated desire that they want Obama (therefore, the country) to fail. He is our president and good Americans work within the system we have.
    The sores being rubbed by many in the media with your daily cup of coffee can lead to violence and assassination attempts. It only means money to those talking heads but it can mean something far more awful for us Americans. The number of death threats both real and implied are already up. I vote for civility, rule of law, civil discourse, loving my fellow man. Sadly I also hope for a special parking place in hell for media who cynically play with with their listeners minds for a few more $$ and for the corporations who sponsor that bit of daily nastiness!

    • Normal Guy

      Couldn’t agree more. The extremists that are being rallied by the media scum of Limbaugh and crew are ignorant, and dangerous. They need to be exposed as the vile underbelly of this great country and reined in before there is an incident that will lower the regard for this country to banana repulic status.

      • http://Hotmail Mark

        Do you really think your Red Spin would work on this Conservative website? Really?

        Your either quite arrrogant or stupid. I believe the latter frankly.

        • Smilee

          Spin??? what a joke, I know you cannot recognize the truth in their posts Mark, but I’ll forgive you as I know your limitations

    • http://www.campaignforliberty.com Chris Cantwell

      So where’s the long form?

  • righty

    Seems to me everyone is missing the point of all of this. Obama purposely creates chaos. He creates chaos to put forth his agenda of ultimately destroying the US and forcing Socialism on us all. He does this while all the time telling us how he is creating jobs and how the economy is getting better all the time, when the opposite is actually happening. This issue, the already passed and useless Stimulus package, Health care, Cap and Trade are all scheduled to destroy Capitalism.

    Look in your history books, see how his beliefs, words and actions are Marxist.

    The most imminent threat to our country is our own President. This man and his no clue Lemmings that follow his lead unconditionally are creating the Perfect Storm for the most miserable life we can imagine.

  • http://Obamasbirth Howard

    Feeling the controversy bussing about the legitimacy of President Obama’s being a native born citizen is primarily based upon his resistance to releasing a copy of the long form birth certificate I have a suggestion. Why not use the Hawaiian State Freedom of Information Act and request a copy of the BLANK form used there at the time of his birth? This would show us all of the information required for a live birth at that time including the city or town where he was born and maybe this would be enough for the officials there or even the President himself to simply tell us that much. In addition, we might be able to surmise his reasons for not releasing the whole document. It just might help to bring a little light on the subject. When I think of the consequences of finding out he is not a citizen it scares the hell out of me!

  • JEFF RUIZ

    Dear CNN. LOU DOBBS is one of my favorite programs. Much better than O’Riely, and a step above Hannity. I have appreciated his show for years. I fully support Lou Dobbs , and I know you must be swamped with union members ( SEIU ) ( AFL-CIO) , ACORN, and the likes, who get orders, and follow them. And you can bet most of them have never even watched a full Lou Dobbs hour. Keep this in mind, as I’m sure you will. Sincerely, Jeff Rodriguez

  • Rod

    Now, Lets see: Why don’t we check all his passports from the year 1981 to 2008?
    Way back then, when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ?
    Or, ah, gosh by his own admission when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 at age
    20? What passport did he travel under ? That would make news—wouldn’t it?
    Now, is it possible he traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981 to Indonesia? Gosh,
    that would have been difficult since if you check back, you will discover, Pakistan
    was on the State Departments “no travel list”! Then, gee, could ha have been
    traveling with a British Passport? Well, heck, that would make things for all of us
    alot simpler because that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on
    August 4, 1961— not in Hawaii, as he now claims! Then again, if he was
    traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished
    what ever previous citizen he held, British or American, (prior to being adopted
    by his Indonesian step father in 1967. Wouldn’t you think he would want to tell all
    of us REAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. the truth? However, given the distructive
    nature of his plans for America and it’s REAL CITIZENS illustrated by his speech
    before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress,
    the sooner we learn the “truth” of all of this, the better! Now all you lefties out there
    need to actually read his VERY SPECIAL health care plan. It’s a doozie!!!!

  • Rod

    Well, er, eh, then there is a question of what he put in his papers when he attended
    the ah, University. What country did he say he was from then? Why did he sign an
    executive order to hide all that info.? I guess we are just going to have to DEMAND
    the release of all that info. arn’t we? I just know Obama wants to inform us of all
    these questions we have and then step down quietly and go back to Kenya where
    he came from. oh yes, and take Palosi, his executive orders and his Czar’s with
    him!!!!

    • Smilee

      Executive order !!! That’s funny, why don’t you produce a copy of it??

  • Mike

    “I for one have no opinion as to where Obama was born but I do think it is a shame that anyone can be elected to the Presidency and not have to prove they are eligible”

    No, not “anyone” can be elected President. You have to convince something like 65 million people to vote for you first, which is not that easy. You try it.

  • Simon9

    “C’mon people, use your brains. This one isn’t too hard to figure out. There is obviously a reason Obama’s real birth certificate is being hidden.”

    Steve J said it well. Strip it down and it’s really that simple.

    The Obama supporters can sidestep it and sneer pejoratives all they want, but when an issue is THIS EASY to clear up, and Obama won’t do the simple, inexpensive response that ANY OF US would do to get a job that required proving our citizenship, then it should become obvious enough that something is very wrong.

    The “birthers” don’t need to know what exactly is wrong on that birth certificate to wonder why the cover-up. But clearly something must be wrong. That so many Obama supporters here and elsewhere are deep in denial and name-call mode doesn’t reflect well on them.

    • Smilee

      If all you birthers had facts believe me you would be rubbing it in everyone’s faces, the fact that you have not and the fact that you can not produce even an iota of evidence to prove you stupid allegations say a whole lot about you people and you willingness to keeping this fraud alive one can forgive name calling but not the character of these liars with these vile motives. They really do know he is a natural born citizen and the official record says he was born in Hawaii and the only you birthers refuse to not believe it and can not even give a valid reason why anyone should not believe the state of Hawaii, his birth certificate is no different than anyone else who was born in Hawaii’s is, and no one has seen anyone’s so called long form certificate of anyone, you would think you could at least produce a copy of it to prove it even exists. The fact is there is only one and that is the official one that we have been shown and none other matters as it proves nothing. your imaginations sure can get the best of you and deceive you.

  • pkf

    Obama’s Birth Certificate: Why the controversy won’t go away (hilarious)
    By Selected News Articles :: 1341 Views :: Hawaii State News, Hawaii State Politics, National News, National Politics, World News, World Politics
    ED NOTE: Front Page Magazine today posted the Hawai`i Free Press article “Barack Obama, born in Hawaii”–debunking conspiracy theories swirling around Barack Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate. The following was posted by an anonymous commenter “DadBode” in the comments section and we thought it was so spot-on and funny that it deserves wider exposure. For readers working in State offices who have taken birth-certificate-related phone calls, this should be of special interest.

    by “DadBode”

    This is why:

    Birther: “Oh why won’t Barack Obama release his birth certificate? If only he did that simple little thing, we could put this whole matter to rest. And it would only cost him ten dollars.”

    Rational Person (RP): “Didn’t you see the birth certificate he posted online?”

    Birther: “Anyone could have Photoshopped that. In fact, I saw an anonymous guy on the Internet claim that he could prove it was faked. He’s an expert in ‘instructional media.’”

    RP: “You do realize that ‘instructional media’ doesn’t have anything to do with document analysis, right?”

    Birther: “Regardless, it’s still fake. If Obama truly had nothing to hide, he’d release his long-form birth certificate, not this computer printout.”

    RP: “How should he release it? If he simply posted a scan online, wouldn’t you accuse it of being faked?”

    Birther: “Oh, certainly. Anything he produces shouldn’t be trusted unless it’s reviewed by a competent authority, like a judge.”

    RP: “So if Obama obtained his long-form birth certificate, published it, had a judge review it, and then the judge announced that it was legit and he was born in Hawaii, that would be enough? You’d give up arguing that his election is illegitimate, stop filing lawsuits, and concede that he’s eligible to be President?”

    Birther: “Hardly. For all we know, Obama’s parents could have lied to Hawaiian officials, and claimed he was born in Hawaii, when he was actually born in Kenya. Or Canada. For all we know, Hawaiian officials themselves might be in on the cover-up.”

    RP: “What if it can be proven beyond a doubt that the birth certificate is real and accurate, and that he was born in Hawaii. Let’s say there’s a video of John F. Kennedy himself playing midwife to Ann Dunham. Would that settle the matter?”

    Birther: “It’d settle the matter of where he was born. But that doesn’t mean he’s a natural-born citizen and eligible to be President.”

    RP: “Why?”

    Birther: “Because before he was born, his mother married a British citizen. That means she gave up her American citizenship even before he was born. And Obama can’t be a natural-born citizen if neither of his parents were American citizens.”

    RP: “So you’re begging Obama to release his birth certificate, even though you admit it won’t actually stop your complaints.”

    Birther: “That’s right.”

    RP: “Well, what if I can show you that American citizens don’t give up their American citizenship when they marry foreigners? Will that put this to rest?”

    Birther: “Oh, no. Even if I accepted that he was born in Hawaii, and that his mother was still an American citizen, his father was still a Kenyan and British citizen, and that means Obama inherited dual citizenship and thus wasn’t a natural-born citizen. So he can’t be President.”

    RP: “I see. For the sake of argument, then, let’s say that I could show you that there’s no requirement that a natural-born citizen be born of two U.S. citizens. Would that satisfy you?”

    Birther: “Sorry, but no. Even if the birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii, and he could show that his mother was a U.S. citizen when he was born, and that his father’s citizenship didn’t disqualify him, there’s still the matter of Indonesia.”

    RP: “What does Indonesia have to do with anything?”

    Birther: “When Obama’s mother married Lolo Soetoro, she gave up her U.S. citizenship, and by proxy, Obama’s U.S. citizenship. So he can’t be President.”

    RP: “No, it doesn’t work that way. Didn’t we already cover this with her first marriage?”

    Birther: “It doesn’t matter. Even if her marriage didn’t invalidate his citizenship, when Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, he ceased to be a U.S. natural-born citizen. So he can’t be President.”

    RP: “A minor child can’t surrender his U.S. citizenship that way. Besides, there’s no evidence that he was adopted in the first place.”

    Birther: “Even if that’s the case, he’s still not in the clear. Because when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on his Indonesian passport, he gave up his U.S. citizenship.”

    RP: “Apart from the fact that that wouldn’t have sacrificed his citizenship, do you actually have any direct evidence that he in fact did use an Indonesian passport?”

    Birther: “Not direct evidence. But American passport holders weren’t allowed into Pakistan in 1981.”

    RP: “Do you have any evidence that that is actually true about travel to Pakistan in 1981?”

    Birther: “No.”

    RP: “I see. OK, if you put aside the passport, would you concede that he’s eligible to be President?”

    Birther: “Still no. When Obama was adopted, his name was legally changed to ‘Barry Soetoro.’ There’s no proof he ever changed his name back, but he ran for President as ‘Barack Obama.’ And that violates election law. I will never accept his Presidency until I see the documentation where he changed his name back to Obama.”

    RP: “That’s impossible. How can he possibly produce that documentation, when he never changed his name away from Obama in the first place? What proof is there that he was ever legally adopted or changed his name? And even if he was adopted, what possible reason would there be to legally change his first name to a nickname?”

    Birther: “A school application in Indonesia says his last name was ‘Soetoro.’ They take those applications very seriously in Indonesia, so this is solid legal proof that he was adopted and had a name change.”

    RP: “And the fact that the same application says he was born in Hawaii?”

    Birther: “That was a mistake.”

    RP: “OK, so to recap, you wanted Obama to release a birth certificate, but when he did, you accused it of being a forgery? Right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And you say that if he simply shared his long-form birth certificate with the public, that could be forged too? Right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “So you want him to release his long-form birth certificate and to have that birth certificate reviewed by a judge, to satisfy his critics and answer the questions they’re asking? Right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if the judge affirms that the birth certificate is legitimate and it says his place of birth was Hawaii, you say it might be falsified, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And even if he proves he was born in Hawaii, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother’s first marriage, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that the marriage isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his father’s citizenship, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that his father’s citizenship isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother’s second marriage, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that his mother’s second marriage isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his supposed adoption, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that he didn’t give up his citizenship via adoption, you claim that he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his 1981 travel to Pakistan, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that he didn’t give up his citizenship via passport, and even when you run out of citizenship arguments completely, you then claim his election is illegitimate because his legal surname is Soetoro, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “So you want to know why Obama won’t take the simple measure of releasing his birth certificate, when you already have at least eight consecutive fall-back arguments you’ll make if he does so, whereby you’ll continue to insist that he’s ineligible for the Presidency even after he proves that he was born in Hawaii?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “Y’know, if I were Obama, I think I’d save my ten dollars too.”

    • http://aol MaryCat 485

      When he applied for a law license in Illinois, he failed to mention any other names he ever used. Already he was practicing dishonesty and deceit. Aren’t you at all suspicious of a man who traveled to Pakistan and wrote about it in his book, when that country didn’t allow US citizens entry at that time? Do some investigating; use your head. This guy does not wish to fulfill any of his grand campaign promises; he wishes to bring down the US economy and impose a state of martial law.

  • Eric g

    Nixson didnt confess to what he knew when he knew it . I certianly hope Oboma doesnt know anything we dont know . I dont even know what Oboma’s name is for sure . Do you ? Is it really Barry Soetoro ? when did he change it ? where did he change it ? Or does our president have two names ? Nixson would have been impeached if he had not resigned .
    Barrack or Barry could be impeached too , if anybody cared enough too really want to know his name . We really dont care ,were just so happy to get rid of Bush and his thieving republican coronies .

  • righty

    Sorry I couldn’t help but put this up for the last to wizards.

    Democrats are the illegitimate children conceived when socialism raped helpless stupidity.

  • ronrunner

    If Obama had not been eligible to run for President, I guarantee that Hillary and Bill would have been the first two to dig up this information and make it public way before he ever even won the nomination, much less the election. The fact that they didn’t should tell you something. On the other hand, if God almighty Himself showed up on earth and declared that Barak Obama met all of the US citizenship requirements to hold the office of US President, there are those who would claim He was in on the “conspiracy”. (Incidentally, I’ve never voted Democrat in my life, and did not vote for BO. That doesn’t change the truth though!) Also, see the August 10 & 17 issue of Newsweek to see BOs birth certificate. Oh wait, they’re media, so obviously part of the “cover up”.

    • http://aol MaryCat 485

      Newsweek should be renamed “ObamaWeek” for all the balanced reporting it contains. Subscribe to some real, honest publications or access some web sites like WorldNetDaily.com and, above all, use your head!

      • ronrunner

        No comment on the Hillary/Bill angle? You know it’s true; with all the time and money that went into their campaign, you know they used every trick in the book to derail Obama, and this would have been the first thing they looked at. Let it go …. it’s a non-issue.

        • http://aol MaryCat 485

          The Clinton’s did indeed try to bring up Obama’s eligibility. They were told by the far left to drop it or face consequences/lack of support. That’s why she stayed in the race long after she should have. Obama’s mother enrolled in classes and moved with little Barack to Washington State mere weeks after giving birth. This suggests a possible birth in Canada, since no hospitals in Hawaii or Washington will take credit. At the very least, it smacks of deception and lies by Obama. In his books, he paints a picture of his parent’s marriage breaking up when his father left for Harvard. In fact, it was his mother who left his father and didn’t return to Hawaii until after Barack, Sr. left.

          • Smilee

            MaryCat 485

            Trust me that would not have stopped the Clintons even if what you say is true, they are experts on leaks without being tied to the leak and if it had been there you can bet your bottom dollar the proof would have been out in the light of day for all to see , of course if it is non existent then that is not possible and that is the real truth about this. It always amazes me that people expect Obama to prove him self innocent but no one on the accusing side can come up with a thread of real evidence to support this BS, makes them look kind of foolish as one would think when one files a lawsuit he would at least have some evidence to support his claim. It is all BS but because of your hatred of this man you will cling to any string to support your hate in your own mind,

      • Smilee

        MaryCat 485 says:
        August 9, 2009 at 3:51 pm

        worldnetdaily.com is nothing more than a right wing propaganda site and far more biased than most and that shows yours inability to recognize what is balanced in your unbalanced way of thinking.

  • David C

    As a trucker, I am required to keep a copy of my birth certificated so I can get back into the USA after a trip to Canada. (Note: a passport works too). If I can have a copy of my birth certificate, a lowly trucker, why shouldn’t the highest office in the land be held to similiar requirements. The constitution is fairly straight forward on this issue.
    If someone spend millions of dollars to hide something, as Mr. Obama has, perhaps he has something to hide.
    I would like to see a paper copy of his birth certificate, issued by what ever government of the country or state of his birth. That is not an unreasonable request. In any other job, if your birth certificate is a requirement, you either produce it or look elsewhere. In this case, he just fought it in court to keep from showing it. And then still got the job.
    And he was not “vetted” by the press, who have been in his hip pocket this entire time. To suggest that as a lawmaker he had more quailifcations than a governor was assine. That was like saying a crossing guard has more experience than a police officer.
    Wake up people, the man is not qualified for the job until he proves he is. Show us the original birth certificate

  • Sandy Harris

    You poor, sad schmucks. After all is said and done you know he’s a natural born citizen. You know he’s legitmately the Prez. This is all so very simple. There is no type or amount of evidence that will satisfy you. Because what you can’t stand is that he’s still black. The President of the United States is black. That is a statement that must make your blood run cold – when there were so many honest, able, natural-born white boys who hadn’t had their turn yet. You would even support a semi-literate white girl who can see Russia and therefore has foriegn policy experience (and we haven’t established that she can actually read yet) for Prez before a black man. It is not possible to have a dissusion. Contemporaneous postings in the Hawaii paper? No, forgeries. Third parties review documents. No, corrupted. Common sense. Ahh, no. But the nasty little thread that runs through it all – he’s black. Sing it with me now – our Prez is black. Just grates on your very soul huh?

    Bottom line – he’s legit as Prez. And you’re legit something too – home ironing the hood are ya?

    • http://aol MaryCat 485

      When did Americans lose the ability to think critically? You don’t have any more information than I do, and you’re sure that he’s a natural born citizen. Use your head and do some research. His mother wasn’t old enough to confer citizenship and his dad was a citizen of the U.K. He sure doesn’t act like he has the best interests of the United States at heart. He is a stupid puppet being manipulated by George Soros and other World Order fanatics!

  • mick

    I cannot stand the thought of you people that have to keep the race card in play ,when after all it is comments like sandy harris’s that because the prez is black is why some of us just want to see the actual live birth cert. I remember alot of the peoples names I went to school with, and if I went to school with barak h obama I think I would definately remember that name and call him up and say hey dude how are you doing. Seems funny he does not have a past and no friends except for the chicago 7.He is younger than I and and some of my teachers are still alive and they know who I am.

    • Tritonal

      Man, you hit the nail on the head. Not one living soul has popped up to stand beside him–other than the likes of Ayers, et al–no one. No character reference, no credibility connection, no classmates. His buddies are the likes of Chavez and Zelaya–now, that’s a credit reference connection if I’ve ever seen one!

    • Smilee

      mick

      The race card is to a statement that is untrue about race, if the statement is true then it is not playing the race card, it is simply the truth. I think Sandy’s statement is a legitimate one that has much more truth than any of us want to admit. One of the reasons I left the republican party when the conservative movement became a controlling element in the party was it did contain a lot of people who where and are racially biased

  • http://aol MaryCat 485

    To be a janitor in the White House, a person has to provide his long form birth certificate among other documents. This guy has access to our nuclear arsenal and some of you are satisfied that we don’t know anything about him. He hasn’t released any of his school records, because at that time he was an Indonesian citizen and carried an Indonesian passport. Wake up, America!! Take back your country!!

  • pkf

    Yes, the birthers are racists.

    “Natural Born.”

    The creation of multiple citizen classes.

    And they prey on those who can’t stand to see a negro in the white house that isn’t wearing a white jacket and carrying a serving tray.

    They just use others to spread their propaganda in order to plant the seeds of their overall racist agenda.

    • http://aol MaryCat 485

      Read the Constitution! Stop making this about race! Dr. Martin Luther King longed for the day when a man would be judged by his character and not the color of his skin. Obama is neither eligible nor qualified!

      • Smilee

        MaryCat 485 says:
        August 10, 2009 at 10:32 pm

        Many of us support him because of his character and not the color of his skin, this issue is about you people playing the race card because this is your underlying motive for this issue of course this truth if admitted would then undermine your credibility so of course you have to lie about that. He fully meets the constitutional requirements for being President and that is not the real issue underlying this BS

        Read the Constitution! Stop making this about race! Dr. Martin Luther King longed for the day when a man would be judged by his character and not the color of his skin. Obama is neither eligible nor qualified!

  • I.Maaden

    I have some questions.
    1. If Obama has noting to hide, why would he spend so much money to block the facts?
    2. If it comes to pass that he was born in the US, and has foolishly spent all of this money to block the release of the documents to prove it. Why on Gods green earth would anyone defer to his judgement for anything !!!!

  • http://tpuglia@nercc.org Rodney

    Log on to obamacrimes.com an attorney named Berg has been trying to force Barry Soetoro aka Barak Obama to produce his certificate of birth since he was in the campaign I have heard recordings of his grandmother and brother attesting to the fact that they witnessed the blessed event in Mombasa Kenya
    Why did the govenor of Hawaii seal all records before the election till now?
    From what I have read and seen it would appear that he is not native born
    This could have been settled when the information was asked for The reason it has not been produced is because it cannot be it does not exist as per Mr. Bergs investigation

    • Smilee

      Rodney

      Berg efforts have been a big big failure because he lacks standing and he will never succeed unless he can establish that and it would help if he could provide facts anywhere close to proving his allegations. This man is a complete loser

  • James

    I’m a huge Lou Dobbs fan and admire his courage for doing his job, providing a forum for a story that is newsworthy. Obama has no one to blame but himself for the controversy. He has failed to produce records that past presidents have routinely made available to the public, even if they proved embarrassing (long form birth certificate, school records, etc.)

    Thank you Lou, you’re one of the last true newsmen.

    • rodin

      Dobbs hasn’t been a newsman for years. Newsmen are supposed to be impartial purveyors of facts. He’s spent the last half of his career disseminating an uninformed and half-baked rhetorically based set of opinions. That’s not news… it’s gibberish and it insults the majority of the population because he thinks you’re too stupid to make up your own minds from the real facts. On that he was probably right.

      • James Orleans

        It’s hard to report facts when they are being intentionally withheld from you.

        And that my friend is the story.

        • Smilee

          A reporter finds the facts, that’s what he does and a good one finds a way to get them, remember Watergate, but then there was facts in that case and there are none here only conservative jibber jabber containing no logic

  • Sandy Harris

    Hi Again! Couple things this time: MaryKat you make me laugh out loud – the ability to put “critical thinking” and George Soros in the same paragraph without your tongue firmly in your cheek is a gift!

    -What about the contemporaneous notice of his birth in 2 Hawaii newspapers?
    -Exactly how old do you have to be to “confer” citzenship? Interesting concept that.

    P.S. What is a “long form birth certificate”? Mine is a “duplicate original” because the court house burned down – so I suppose mine citizenship is in question too. And to think I got my first passport without a birth certificate at all just a baptismal and a mother who swore I was hers and she was a citizen because she didn’t have a cert either. Wow, those were simpler days. Guess I better never run for office! And, finally, it’s a small point, but Eric my man it’s NIXON not NIXSON. You want to make sure to get the facts right. Unlike WND which insists on saying that Ann Dunham left Hawaii to attend the University of Seattle – got news for ya – there is no University of Seattle! Ahh, it’s difficult to keep up sometimes. So how would you all fix things? Other than remove Obama and replace him with Rush of course – anything constructive out there in the wackosphere?

    • http://www.a1to1computing.com Craig S Burchfiel

      You are completly wrong about the University of Seattle, i think you need to have your facts straight.

    • http://aol MaryCat 485

      That address in Hawaii was traced to a professor of the University of Hawaii where Barack and Ann Dunham were classmates in a Russian Language class. Neither of them lived there as far as anyone can tell.

  • http://www.a1to1computing.com Craig S Burchfiel

    It is pretty hard to stay civil when your freedoms are being attacked.
    The people you are seeing and hearing at these town hall meetings are true blooded Americans that are concerned about how our country has been turned upside down. As this administration continues to pillage and distroy the futur of our country. I urge all Americans who really understand our constituion to Fight! we want to live free from government. The founding fathers never intended this to happen that is why all of us that understand our constituion are speaking out against the Facism that is happening today. If you are a true American you will fight for what is right and for the freedom fellow Americans have died for.

    • ronrunner

      You guys will still be arguing this is 2017 when Obama finishes his second term. Why not try to find something constructive to do between now and then? Eight years is a long time to hate.

  • Sandy Harris

    Hi Craig – Wow, the very destruction of our way of life and all in 6 months! I would ask where the heck were you during Bush-Chaney years but somehow I don’t think it would matter because lying our way into a war, spying on citizens, and torturing is okay when Dick orders it because after all he’s a patriot, oh, and white! What could possibly be more totalitarian than a private army such as Blackwater/Xe? It’s dispictable. Fascism? One might want to read a book or two before throwing around words like fascism. Can you discuss it any context other than Obama? Probably not because all the information you have you got from Rush and Sean and Lou – bright guys all but just enjoying the hell out of leading you around by your nose. Oh, and getting richer too. Ronrunner is right – 8 years is a long time to hate.

    So about that University of Seattle – why don’t you send me an address for it? And not Seattle University or University of Washington or even Seattle Pacific but the University of Seattle. Have you figured out where I might be? But if WND is as good at research as you’d like to suggest then send me the address and prove me wrong. And I will be happy to visit the address and send a picture with a great big apology and mea culpa if it’s there!

    Thanks and have a fabulous day!

    • eyeswideopen

      Sandy, You and I think that you can reason with these people and if you give them facts, they will digest it and use common sense. Sweetie, it is not going to happen… These “Christian Conservatives” are nothing but a bunch of hateful, racists, who can’t accept that a black man could become Pres. I don’t know if it is more depressing that the are members of the Republican party, or that they are claiming to be Christians. What church do you think they belong too? It must be that they are so angry at what Bush and his gang did to this country, that they are projecting, as they just can’t accept that our party could be that dishonest, ruthless,greedy,stupid and totally throw all ethics and morals out the window during the last 12 years. But guess what, the younger generation using the internet, is fact checking and learning what the previous admin did.They are reading the Medicare Advantage bill passed in 2003, reading the the white house revised the estimated cost in 2005 and stated it will be 1.2 TRILLION over a 10 year period. OOps. the Reps passed that?? Oh yes they did… so have faith, it is a small percentage who are this radical…

  • http://www.riseupforamerica.com PRvere

    Walk the walk and be an active participant in the re-taking of America. No money needed, just your Patriotic effort. Educate yourself as to how we got where we are and follow the progress of those Patriots willing to get off the couch and make a difference.
    Yes, BHO is illegal. No, our government has no plans to do anything about it. No, the Pentagon will not help as they are all (I must say apparently) boot lickers. It is up to us, so make your choice and choose your side. This IS the change they offered.
    http://www.riseupforamerica.com
    Endless blogs have only served to further divide us and their plan is and has been virtually flawless.
    Good luck and God speed.

    • Smilee

      PRvere

      It does divide us and the site you refer us is better at it than most, unbelievable that people can be influenced by this crap

  • Patty

    From the times of Northeast Benton County dated August 5, 2009 and I quote: “Citizenship of president still being questioned.

    Obama’s father was a foreign national (Kenya was a possession of England at the time) and was in Hawaii under a commission from his government to get an education and go back to Kenya to serve in the government. He did that. He was in the United States as an agent of a foreign government, and therefore any children born here would not be under the “full and complete jurisdiction” of the United States. The British Nationality Act of 1848 also claimed jurisdiction over the offspring of their nationals abroad. Such children may become “naturalized” citizens of the United States, but they are not “natural born citizens.”

    Thomas Lifson reports that there is another serious challenge to Obama’s eligibility regarding his time in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro. He writes, “The records of the Catholic school Obama/Soetora attended for three years identify him as a citizen of Indonesia. Thus Obama probably obtained Indonesian citizenship through his adoption by Soetoro in Hawaii. That inference is bolstered by the 1980 divorce submission of Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro, filed in Hawaii state court. It said “the parties” (Ann and Lolo) had a child (name not given) who was no longer a minor (Obama was 9 at the time). If Soetoro had not adopted Obama, there would have been no basis for the couple to refer to Obama as their child – he’d have been only Ann Dunham’s child.” Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship until 2007. Under ndonesian law at the time, an Indonesian man who adopted a child under six years old (Obama was four or five) made that child an Indonesian citizen. There are provisions in U.S. law for such children to re-claim their U.S. citizenship as naturalized, not natural born, citizens once they reach age of majority. If Obama ever completed the paperwork to do this, we have no record of it, and again this would only make him a naturalized, not natural born, citizen of our country.

    Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 at a time when U.S. citizens were denied travel there. What country’s passport did he use? We don’t know, as Obama has sealed his passport records. Are the rumors that he attended Occidental College with the help of a foreign student aid program true? We don’t know. Obama has sealed all of those records, too.” end quote.

    • Patty

      Without the two typos I made before, he was 19 at the time of his mother’s divorce, and I left out an I. From the times of Northeast Benton County dated August 5, 2009 and I quote: “Citizenship of president still being questioned.
      Obama’s father was a foreign national (Kenya was a possession of England at the time) and was in Hawaii under a commission from his government to get an education and go back to Kenya to serve in the government. He did that. He was in the United States as an agent of a foreign government, and therefore any children born here would not be under the “full and complete jurisdiction” of the United States. The British Nationality Act of 1848 also claimed jurisdiction over the offspring of their nationals abroad. Such children may become “naturalized” citizens of the United States, but they are not “natural born citizens.”
      Thomas Lifson reports that there is another serious challenge to Obama’s eligibility regarding his time in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro. He writes, “The records of the Catholic school Obama/Soetora attended for three years identify him as a citizen of Indonesia. Thus Obama probably obtained Indonesian citizenship through his adoption by Soetoro in Hawaii. That inference is bolstered by the 1980 divorce submission of Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro, filed in Hawaii state court. It said “the parties” (Ann and Lolo) had a child (name not given) who was no longer a minor (Obama was 19 at the time). If Soetoro had not adopted Obama, there would have been no basis for the couple to refer to Obama as their child – he’d have been only Ann Dunham’s child.” Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship until 2007. Under Indonesian law at the time, an Indonesian man who adopted a child under six years old (Obama was four or five) made that child an Indonesian citizen. There are provisions in U.S. law for such children to re-claim their U.S. citizenship as naturalized, not natural born, citizens once they reach age of majority. If Obama ever completed the paperwork to do this, we have no record of it, and again this would only make him a naturalized, not natural born, citizen of our country.
      Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 at a time when U.S. citizens were denied travel there. What country’s passport did he use? We don’t know, as Obama has sealed his passport records. Are the rumors that he attended Occidental College with the help of a foreign student aid program true? We don’t know. Obama has sealed all of those records, too.” end quote.

  • DR. REMINGTON

    The ONLY reason that this argument exists is that the Republicans are FURIOUS that they lost the election and things are changing, not staying “Status Quo”. They are seeking in awkward and debiltiating, immature manners to bring President Obama down and are just making fools of themselves and making it worse for themselves. They have no platform to speak of and they consequently are grumbling away into the shadows and becoming irrevalent.

    • http://Remington Eddy

      Republicans are not furious Obama was elected. Just amused how stupid the Dems were to run with him. It was basically anyone but Hillary. McCain was a Teddy K. wannabe. We didn’t like him neither. I just want to know how some one who can’t or won’t provide proper documents, who seals any and all records from schools ,lies about being a law professor even ran. We saw you can buy your self a senate seat in Illinois. Just goes to show how corrupt the government is from top to bottom that such a thing can happen.But, then again they won’t do anything about enforcing the laws on illegal immigrants either. Whats one more crime when you’ve got 20 million illegal criminals here already?

  • DR. REMINGTON

    Taken to its fact finding extreme, this point will show nothing.

  • steelgrits

    And why would he seal his records except to hide the true facts?

  • smrstrauss

    Re: “The records of the Catholic school Obama/Soetora attended for three years identify him as a citizen of Indonesia.”

    Yes, an unsigned application by the parents said that he was an Indonesian citizen. Did this make him an Indonesian citizen? No, they may have lied. Indeed, they DID lie, because both Indonesia and the US State Department have said that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen. the US State Department has also said that Obama was never adopted. (http://www.scribd.com/full/17508463?access_key=key-1vg7c228ugapeqcnkki6)

    Re: “Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 at a time when U.S. citizens were denied travel there.’

    Who is the jerk or liar who said that in 1981 US citizens were denied travel to Pakistan? In 1981 Pakistan was relatively peaceful and it encouraged tourists. There were even articles in US newspapers writing about the joys of visiting scenic Lahore. Pakistan International Airlines had an office on Fifth Avenue in New York. Pakistan was not on any no travel list of the US government. So Obama could travel to Pakistan on a US passport, and he did, since he never had an Indonesian passport. You can call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington to check ((202) 775-5200. Ask for the Press Officer.

    Re: “Why did the govenor of Hawaii seal all records before the election till now?’

    Answer. She didn’t. The governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, has not made any order with regard to Obama’s records. ALL the birth records in Hawaii are private.

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    To muzzle OPINION in FREE AMEIRCA ia a disgrace and against every liberty guaranteed by the U.S. Constituion. To be a president of a
    country and hide all of one’s background, spending over a million to
    block all inquiry into actual eligiblity is not only questionable, but arrogant. That no court will hear this case makes it look murky indeed
    shaking the very stability of this country, diminishing the rights of its citizens to that of third world second class citizenship, peons. A
    president who gives more respect to foreigners than his own should be
    shown the door.A Government by WE THE PEOPLE wiil hopefully assert its
    authority sooner rather than too late.

  • http://POPART.com POPART

    I think the confusion stems from statements made during campaigns in Illinois. It was a commonly held belief, at the time, that the Prez. was born in Africa. People who liked this idea, repeated it. Over and Over. During the presidential election, I noticed that folks from dif. parts of the country were similarly confused. Obviously, this era was done by campaign staff.

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