Obama And Putin Got It Wrong: Why The U.S. Is Exceptional

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What a wonderful brouhaha Russian President Vladimir Putin stirred up when he (or one of his PR flacks) wrote an opinion piece for The New York Times earlier this month.

Much of the piece was pretty much what you would expect from the Russian strongman and former KGB thug. He denied that Syrian president Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against his own citizens. “No one doubts that poisoned gas was used in Syria,” Putin wrote. “But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons.” If you buy that one, he has a bridge is Vladivostok he’d like to sell you.

And don’t assume that his remark about “powerful foreign patrons” was a sly reference to Russia’s relationship with Syria. No, no, not a bit. After all, Putin wrote: “We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law.”

Yes, I know. It’s hard to keep from laughing out loud at some of his absurd protestations. Here’s another one: “We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.” Like you did in Chechnya, comrade?

But nothing stirred up more response than Putin’s parting shot. In his final paragraph, he said he disagreed with President Barack Obama’s comments regarding American exceptionalism. The Russian near-dictator had the unmitigated gall to lecture his American audience on the subject, writing: “It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation.” And he concluded: “We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.”

I doubt if Putin himself believes what he wrote in that final sentence any more than our own President really believes in American exceptionalism. Oh, sure. Barack Obama has used the words a few times, such as in his address to the Nation that Putin referenced, but never with any real conviction.

Four years ago, for example, Obama answered a reporter’s inquiry on the subject by saying: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” Doesn’t that fill your heart with patriotic fervor?

Yes, America is exceptional. And it’s exceptional for a reason that neither Putin nor Obama will ever admit. America is unique among all the countries that have ever existed for one simple but profound reason: The United States was founded on the principle that our rights come from God, not from government.

One of the most majestic phrases in the English language is the one Thomas Jefferson included in Declaration of Independence expressing that thought. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

It was our Creator who gave us our rights — rights that are unalienable. That means they cannot be withdrawn or transferred. At least, that’s the theory. I have no doubt that the Founding Fathers would be shocked by how powerful the Federal government has become today. And dismayed at how much it encroaches on our liberties (not to mention our wallets).

By the way, the Declaration of Independence not only opened with an acknowledgement of God, it also ended with the same recognition: “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of a divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

Yes, this country was founded on the principle that our rights come from God — and that governments exist not to grant them, but to protect them. The Declaration also said: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

The men who drafted our Constitution worked very hard to craft a document that would limit what a central government was allowed to do. They wanted to “bind it down” with the chains of a constitution.

But even that wasn’t enough to satisfy the leaders of our new Republic, who were very aware of the lessons of history. They knew that governments, always and everywhere, tried to expand in reach and power. Even before the new Constitution was submitted to the 13 States for ratification, they added a list of Amendments, to make even more specific what the new government was not allowed to do.

The first eight Amendments in what became known as the Bill of Rights enumerate a whole list of things that the new central government cannot do. The 1st Amendment begins: “Congress shall make no law…”

And just to make sure that the people’s rights shall not be infringed, the framers added the 9th and 10th Amendments, basically saying that if they overlooked anything, government can’t do that either. They made it as clear as they could in the 10th Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

While government in this country was limited, the ability of our people to prosper was not. America became the freest, the wealthiest and the most powerful nation on Earth. It made us the hope (and the envy) of the world.

That is why the United States is exceptional — or maybe I should say why this country was exceptional. Because there is no question that our central government has become a bloated monstrosity, bearing almost no resemblance to the very limited government our Founding Fathers envisioned.

One of the charges against King George in the Declaration of Independence was: “He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

Let’s face it: Those colonists had it easy, compared to all the ways that our present government “eats out” our substance.

I wouldn’t be the first to suggest that it’s time for a new American revolution.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

P.S. There was one more comment in Putin’s opinion piece that merits a rebuttal. He said, “No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations.”

Wrong again, Mr. President. There are many of us who believe one of the greatest things we could do for freedom, peace and prosperity in the world is to get the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S. And our numbers are growing every day.

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Two days ago was launched another Face Book site
    1 Million Truckers to DC – Americans United LETS STAND!
    https://www.facebook.com/1MillionTruckersDC?notif_t=fbpage_fan_invite

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    IN CASE IF YOU MISSED

    After the biker rally/march now comes The GENERAL STRIKE of the National truckers. They declared the massive convoy to Washington D.C. on the weekend of October 11-13, 2013 to PROTEST CORRUPTION in the government.

    The National truckers asking the American people join them in solidarity by not
    shopping or engaging in any economic activity that benefits the government.

    No commerce on those days, stock up on items that you will need. No banking no shopping no money transactions.

    It does not matter if a million or 50 roll through DC in this effort. Congress will listen to “We the People”, which we demand to remove Obama from office for the crimes of TREASON and MISDEMEANORS.

    We want Congressional hearing on Benghazi and Seal Team 6. Louis Learner [sic] put in jail. No amnesty, remove ALL Muslims in our government that do not uphold the Constitution. Remove Eric Holder from office for CRIMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE and the CONSTITUTION. Last but not least is Fuel prices.

    Truckers are asking the American people join them in solidarity by not shopping or engaging in any economic activity that benefits the government.

    Go to FaceBook and support them: https://www.facebook.com/truckerstoshutdownamerica

    Comment from FaceBook:
    “I would like to know where is said that the truckers are limited to strike only on trucking issues such as hours of service, detention time, coercion, congestion, driver pay, etc. Are they not American citizen first? How can the Truckers negotiate with a corrupt system? Obamacare is an un-Constitutional law that will affect every trucker and family as well as every American.

    “The President of the United States is linked to many unresolved scandals that have a direct effect on every American citizen including the Trucker. The President has dishonored his oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America and is arming the enemy which is High Treason and should be removed from office.

    “I am very happy to know that the American Trucker is very concerned about these issues and are willing to put it on the line to wake the American people and Congress up taking issue to DC in a convoy with no delivers for three days. After all it is their right as American citizen that happen to have very large trucks that are taking three days off.

    “So, for some that cannot understand the reason for this strike or shut down, it is very simple. Impeaching the President of the United States is a good start at
    restoring the Constitution of the United States of America and its people by
    removing the problem. All the other scandals and issues will be resolved.”

    Please PASS IT ON.

    • KG

      These so-called ‘truckers’ are all ‘independents’ which means that they are all individual corporations so as to evade as many taxes as they can.

      If the truckers were really wanting to help America, they would all join the Teamsters.

      • Deerinwater

        or help themselves.

        • oldguy

          Help themselves?? Truckers have been helping themselves for decades. Help themselves to what?? More liberal BS. You and your liberal buddy KG are welcome to move to another country.

          • Deerinwater

            They have struggled for decades and this will continue.
            And you are welcome to keep your personal attacks muzzled. I am entitled to be here by honored service, taxes paid, birth and commitment to principles set-forth in the Constitution and Bill of Right. ~

            If you don’t not approve of worthy opposition and our political process, it would be you that finds yourself in the wrong place and not I.

            By your comment, you are not in tune with American values as they apply to individual freedom, right to speak or right to gather,

          • oldguy

            Who is the “they” you are referring to and what has the struggle been? I drove truck for 34 years with over 4 million miles on log. I and all my friends and acquaintances in the trucking industry made a very nice living, thank you. The only people struggling in the trucking industry are the same ones who struggle in any industry. The lazy, entitlement mentalitied person.
            I made no personal attacks. I mentioned liberal BS. which is what came out of your mouth. I also said that you and KG were welcome to move to another country. I didn’t say you should be forced or anything. If you don’t like it here then indeed you should move. As far as worthy opposition it is very much welcome. The only way people learn is by hearing all sides of an issue. It’s people like KG and possibly yourself who believe that your way is the only way and who try and belittle anyone who doesn’t believe as you do that disqualifies yourself as “worthy” opposition.

          • Deerinwater

            We were talking about men that engage in trucking. ~

            Every trucker, I’ve known personally ~ finds life hard and a struggle ~ maybe they were all lazy ~ but I don’t think so, a little too frisky perhaps, short tempered , a touch of ADD and itchy feet but hard workers, that like to hears the sound of an engine as if it’s music. ~ I fell in love with the sound myself for a few years, as a seaman, ~ Twin Detroit’s sing such beautiful duet.

            When it comes to stereotyping tradesmen it’s easy to stumble. ~ That all painters might be drunk while all drunks are not painters deserves consideration.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No one is making you read the comments or the articles or staying on this site, you are making that choice.

      • Vigilant

        ROFLMAO!

      • oldguy

        As a 34 year trucker I can tell you that you are so far off base as to be unreal. You know nothing about America or the trucking industry. The teamsters (small “t” intentional) almost ruined trucking. With just over 4 million miles on log with no accidents and driving in all kinds of weather. You spew your vile socialist stuff on this site and only make true Americans laugh at your stupidity.

        • Deerinwater

          ~Since 1979, I believe that Cooperate Interest and to some degree government has went about purposefully fabricating such an illusion as they work to out-source many laborious low profit margin activities. ~ calling it “privatization” and “out-sourcing”

          Leaving it to ambitious trucker, ~ to search for the profitability in Trucking as they struggle to comply constantly with both old and new regulation, fuel and insurance cost.

          No bed of roses, is it? ~ Have you ever stop to really wonder why? Have you ever felt like a gerbil running in his little wheel and never getting anywhere?

          Welcome to the world of business. These companies, have known the numbers of profitable trucking for many many years. ~ If the margins were lucrative, ~ they would start a separate company to address the need for trucking as oppose to “out-source”

          The Teamsters ~ are rascals ~ this is true, ~ The family was left to sue them some years back, ~ it’s bad when you feel you need to hire an attorney to make a attorney do his job to support your position.

          But ` like a marriage, ~ everyday ~ is not sweet.

        • KG

          It’s too bad you didn’t stick with them. You could have a decent pension as well as SS. But you went for yourself instead. Sorry about that.

          • oldguy

            What the hell makes you think I don’t have a decent retirement plus SS. You have no earthly idea of my financial situation but just because I refused (like millions of other independent truckers) to join the teamsters you think I live in poverty?? How dare you be so presumptive. You are indeed a legend in your own mind.

          • FreedomFighter

            Oldguy,
            KG is a “g-pen gangsta”, disguised as an idiot, sent to infiltrate the minds of the good people by injecting neuro-Linguistic venom into comment areas. ignore him
            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why should they, because you say so.

      • Stephen Lawson

        KG, apparently you have never owned a business. Independent truckers are not the problem. Neither is filing taxes as a Corporation. Truckers are the very heart beat of America. Without them nothing moves.

        Independence is what the Revolutionary war was fought over. The war for independence, the Declaration Of Independence. What kind of person are you? I want the government out of my pockets and out of my healthcare. Perhaps you never studied American history. Perhaps you never read the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution or The Bill of Rights.

        This is America and I support the awakening of the Independent Truckers and their right to stand tall, stand loud and stand proud in opposition to the criminal activity we see going on in Washington. I will tirelessly support their efforts in complete solidarity.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB is a Socialist Progressive who has shown every sign of being a Shill.

    • FreedomFighter

      “Wrong again, Mr. President. There are many of us who believe one of the greatest things we could do for freedom, peace and prosperity in the world is to get the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S. And our numbers are growing every day.”
      Washington DC is a strange place, with international affairs, social groups, political ***, subjected natives, imported’s. In fact I heard of this fad thing going around the DC area…wearing snake boots…its a inside joke “all the snakes in Washington you know you need good boots” NSA should maybe look at all the Americans wearing “snake boots” must be some 304 styles to choose, for women’s, children also…
      I say “I heard Oct truckers wore them there snake boots”, “everybody should”

      Laus DeoSemper FI

    • vicki

      …remove ALL Muslims in our government that do not uphold the Constitution.

      Can we please remove ALL people in our government that do not honor their oath to uphold the Constitution? Removing those of just one religion will not solve the problem.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Totally in AGREEMENT. Please go to their FaceBook and add it to their demands.

  • James Bowen

    American exceptionalism is a phrase that is so deep in its stupidity that it gets my blood boiling when I hear it. We are people, just like anyone else. Any idea that we are somehow different and therefore immune to history makes it likely that America will someday only exist in history. The way to maximize the likelihood of the long-term survival and success of our nation is to be realistic about our place in the world, not cozy ourselves in nonsensical, feel-good ideology.

    • paulrph1

      You know having nonsensical, feel-good ideology make one a better person. One relates better, give of their substance more freely and is a better person for it. But then we have the greedy and takers to themselves. These people are not really happy not in the long run. They buy their yachts, their limos, their mansions, their servants, all the while never learning anything except money can buy you stuff. The never develop any talents but use their money to buy other peoples talents. They become like an old dried up prune, a hallow shell.

      • Deerinwater

        You lost me with the “Good Feeling” ideology. ~ who is to feel good?

        Happy or Sad is only a state of Mind. There is limits to just how much you can “think” for anyone else. ~ Eating my dinner will not fill your belly. ~

        Successful people cannot fit inside a single box, ~ not all, but most of them worked for it. Knowing how to install the right person for the right job is a skill in itself. ~

        Recognizing opportunity’s and the ability to see what is not seen are talents learned.

        The ability to follow is a precursor to the ability to lead, not everyone can be either.

        • paulrph1

          If you think that being truly happy is just a state of mind I feel sorry for you and you have a lot to learn. As was said in “1984” you speak “doublespeak”. Now Obama that is one leader he had no experience and yet the people voted him in for one reason and that is he is black but not black enough he is half white which he denies. None of the men I mentioned were great leaders, anyone who slaughters innocent people is not a great leader. Any one who works under the cover of darkness is not a great leader. Obama knowing all of the people who are as corrupt as he is, now that is a great skill. Being well traveled is not the same as living in another country. If you think they are the same you still have more to learn.

      • James Bowen

        I agree with most of what you say here. However, such feel good ideology is often used as a front cover for the greedy takers you speak of.

        • Vigilant

          I find legitimacy in both of the positions stated here, to an extent.

          However, I wouldn’t call the natural law concept of individual sovereignty a “nonsensical, feel-good ideology.” It happens to be the very basis upon which the nation was built.

          Being “cozy” or complacent with it is another thing altogether. Such a position entails “sitting on your laurels,” a position that in no way justifies the violations and excesses of the last 100 years.

          • KG

            Individual sovereignty, or the right to be a selfish as you can, is a Libertarian article of faith. Yet few individuals ever grow out of isolation. They are usually products of an extensive social group that assists individuals in their growth to independence. Even with ‘Independence’ there is still ‘ responsibility’. It’s THAT part that offends libertarians the most. The fact that YOU OWE SOCIETY FOR YOUR SUCCESS. Meh!

          • Vigilant

            Individual sovereignty is indeed the right to be as selfish as you can. And the word “right” is the operative term. Perhaps you’re not as deficient as I had previously surmised.

            However, I question how someone such as you, who claim to have a degree in history, could have so studiously avoided the very reason for studying history, i.e., to learn its lessons.

            Nothing in the Constitution assails the right of an individual to have a vested self interest (selfishness if you will) in the legal inheritance or gathering of possessions by their own labors. When the Constitution is amended to dictate that “YOU OWE SOCIETY FOR YOUR SUCCESS,” then we’ll either abide by it or move to another country.

            Secondly, the lessons of history you have so purposely ignored have taught us that the most personally generous and charitable individuals live in societies where individual sovereignty is cherished and protected.

            Bottom line: the most prosperous, charitable and tolerant societies in history were those who indeed protected vested self interest (selfishness) and kept government out of their private affairs.

          • KG

            Tell that to the conservative republicans who keep wanting to TAKE as many ‘rights’ away as they can. People who would be Union members are convinced by their preachers that there is some evil involved in protecting your self-interest. As well as women who want to control their own bodies rather than have the Government look into their vaginas. While the words you use are most compelling, its the reality behind them that make your point moot.

          • Vigilant

            “While the words you use are most compelling…”
            Indeed, they are compelling because they are true.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            The Conservative Republicans “keep wanting” to PRESERVE ALL RIGHTS, which were given by GOD to men, including the Right of the PRIVATE PROPERTY:

            God’s 10th Commandment: “You SHALL NOT COVET YOUR NEIGHBOR’S</b< house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor ANYTHING THAT IS YOUR NEIGHBOR’S.”

            USA Constitution, AMENDMENT V: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital … nor shall PRIVATE PROPERTY be taken FOR PUBLIC USE, without just compensation.”

            Article 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) enshrines the right to property as follows:

            (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

            “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God … anarchy and tyranny commence. PROPERTY MUST BE SECURED or LIBERTY CANNOT EXIST” – John Adams

            GOVERNMENT IS INSTITUTED TO PROTECT
            PROPERTY OF EVERY SORT
            …. This being the end of government, that is NOT a just government,… nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has … is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest.” – James Madison

            Liberal genius, go back to College to study HISTORY, the TRUE History.

          • vicki

            Your union example has a little tiny flaw in it. The people are not forced to NOT join a union.

            Your abortion example has a REALLY BIG flaw in it. The child has a God given RIGHT to be born. Even the old laws made the killing of a pregnant woman a crime where 2 people were murdered.

          • JeffH

            Vickii, I thought you and others might enjoy this little “union” article from my area in California.

            So Long SEIU? Fresno Co. Corrections Officers Want Out!

            They’re the men and women who guard Fresno’s bad guys.

            But now some want to guard themselves against their vocal union.

            “They’re powerful because a lot of money gets sent out to their corporation I call it,” Eulalio Gomez, Fresno County Correctional Officer, said.

            Gomez says a special election will be held in April, where correctional officers will vote to either stay with the SEIU or go with the Fresno Sheriffs Correctional Officers Association.

            http://northfresno.kmph.com/news/people/80507-so-long-seiu-fresno-co-corrections-officers-want-out

            He says the SEIU no longer speaks for them.

          • JeffH

            A lie effectively told becomes the truth. Perception is reality. You can fool all of your people all of the time – with the right marketing. That is the published strategy of the hybrid progressive/communist/marxist movement…the strategy of enslavement!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Who are those “greedy takers” that you speak of?

        • vicki

          Being a greedy taker is your right. As long as you do not use force to take we have no legitimate power to stop you.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Since you believe that America is not exceptional then that means that you have no problem being part of N W O abiding by the laws of other nations and not of this nation, WHO is fine to dictate medical care in the US, internationalized education dictates, our military not our own, private property abolished and some pukey bureaucrat in heaven knows where dictating how you will live.

      • James Bowen

        What you are talking about is American sovereignty, which has nothing to do with exceptionalism. I support American sovereignty, far more so than the globalists who are always touting “American exceptionalism”.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          When you reject American Exceptionalism, you will also not hold on to American Sovereignty because the decision will be made that everything and everyone is better and nicer and more cultured in Europe, Africa, everywhere but the US. So you won’t have any qualms about being ruled by some bureaucrat from across the sea.

          • James Bowen

            Did you read what I wrote? The ones who talk the loudest about “American Exceptionalism” are the globalists who are always lobbying for more free trade, more immigration, and more military involvement overseas. It is those who talk so much about “American Exceptionalism” that are trying to degrade U.S. sovereignty. I do not support the aims of the globalist “American Exceptionalists”. And I never said things were better overseas. All I said is that people are people no matter where one goes. Any idea that we are somehow “exceptional” is extremely out of touch with reality we are courting major problems if we base policy on such falsehoods.

    • vicki

      We are people, just like anyone else. Any idea that we are somehow
      different and therefore immune to history makes it likely that America
      will someday only exist in history.

      It is not that we are different. It is that we used the gifts our Creator gave us in the way He expects us to use them

      First Principle:

      “Your Creator gave you 2 gifts. Life and Free Will.
      How you use those gifts and how you honor them in others,
      is how you shall be judged.”

      As Chip Wood wrote above;

      “Yes, this country was founded on the principle that our rights come from
      God — and that governments exist not to grant them, but to protect
      them. The Declaration also said: “That to secure these rights,
      Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from
      the consent of the governed.”

      It’s simple really. We WERE exceptional because our country alone put the sovereignty back in the hands God intended. We then delegated a FEW powers to government for the explicitly stated purpose of PROTECTING ALL of our rights. Individually and collectively.

      • JeffH

        Two thumbs up for Vicki!

  • peter

    Sorry, but it is hard to grant either Obama, Kerry, Putin or any other person on this Planet or any Country for that matter the mantle of exceptionalism. We are all a species, some of whom choose to live in peace and good health, whilst the others choose to live in anger, greed and ego building. Blessed are the meek. The best people that I know are those who have humility in their make up and none of our leaders or so-called hero’s exhibit any of that quality. Consider the lilies of the field and remember then that not Solomon in all his glory was arrayed as one of these. Exceptional indeed, only if we are describing our leaders as exceptionally devious, divisive, arrogant and of no substance – then indeed they are exceptionally so, but none are role models.

    • paulrph1

      You make a very valid point and that is why they have no comprehension. It contains a being of which they have never approached and never will because they are so wrapped up into themselves. Demagogues, narcissists, are what they are but unfortunately they have their followers and these people are allowed to be persuaded and to vote. America if let run its course will continue to be exceptional something Putin cannot understand. He likes to have his thumb on things to control them, never realizing that this control is what limits their exceptionalism. Putin is narrow minded having lived his nefarious life.

      • Deerinwater

        Putin is a leader and you are not, Putin is many things to many people, you are not.

        • paulrph1

          And so. I choose not to be a leader. There have been many who are corrupt leaders. Look around. Mao, Castro, Iran, Iraq, Rome, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin. Need I go on? So you think being a leader makes you great. We have many right now that are in leadership that have it all wrong. Christ is the only leader that I follow and worship because He was a righteous One.

          • Deerinwater

            yes, ~ they were leaders and yes they were all great in different ways, ~ while I would “worship” none and follow only a few.

            Christ was and still is a “spiritual leader” and does not fit in the same box of all these other leaders. ~ I was under the impression we were discussing government.

          • Jana

            Sadly you have missed the point of Christ’s leadership.

          • Deerinwater

            LOL! ~ Sadly ? ~ and what point might that be~ Jana?

            Everyone is not Christian ~ , even among those that profess to be.
            How would you enjoy a little Hindu leadership? or Buddha leadership?

            That you insist on a government that favors one ideology over another in a diverse nation as the US ~ would generate more problems than it would solve ~ among the simple minded, less tolerate and zealots alike. ~ It would lead to civil war.

            There no living in peace with such people.

            If everyone happened to be Christian, ~ ~ they would kill each other over favoring a Methodist over a Baptist. ~

            No religion in my government if you please. ~

            Where you were taught and by whom you were taught Sand Box 101 ~ is not as significant as your grasp of the study and the ability to display working application.

          • Jana

            Oh its obvious you are not a Christian. But you pretend to know what the leadership of Christ is all about, and you actually don’t.
            You are definitely not an expert on any working application!

          • Deerinwater

            LOL! Well General Jana ~ I’ll leave you with the final word of what Christ was about,. ~

            Where have I ever claimed to be an expert on anything but mistakes?

            But I’ll leave you saying only one thing, ~ I don’t find it necessary to publicly pontificate my faith for all to see and hear in self righteous fashion as it goes against the very teaching you claim to embrace.

          • Jana

            You state: “But I’ll leave you saying only one thing, ~ I don’t find it necessary to publicly pontificate my faith for all to see”

            But you do all of the time.

            And I quote: ” If everyone happened to be Christian, ~ ~ they would kill each other over favoring a Methodist over a Baptist. ~

            No religion in my government if you please. ~

          • Deerinwater

            Enlighten me ~ being civil, respectful, considerate and showing Love ~ “did not” start with Christ Jana

        • Jana

          Putin is a Communist!

          • GORE TEX MEX

            Putin is a Fascist

          • Bob666

            Yo Gore Tex-Mex,

            Putin is a power hungry man who will be anything that he needs to be, Fascist, Communist or what-ever to stay in power.

            A believer of democracy and freedom-he never will be.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jana, you are wrong.

            Vladimir Putin isn’t a Kommunist, and the communists are not in power today in Russia. The communists are in opposition to Putin. The Russian Kommunist Party is highly critical of the policies of Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin won presidential elections with 65% votes; Kommunist Party’s competitor got 17.7% with the 64% turnout to the polls.

            In January of 2009 Vladimir Putin gave insightful speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, which was “ignored” by the West and U.S.

            He gave advice to the world economy by stating that the WORLD SHOULD AVOIID the Soviet mistakes:

            “There is a temptation to expand direct interference of state in economy. In the Soviet Union that became an absolute. We paid a very dear price for that …”

            “EXCESSIVE INTERVENTION IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another possible mistake … In the 20th century, the Soviet Union MADE THE STATE’S ROLE ABSOLUTE. In the long run, THIS MADE THE SOVIET ECONOMY TOTALLY UNCOMPETITIVE. THIS LESSON COST US DEARLY. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.”

            “There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.”

            “The unjustified swelling of the budgetary deficit and the
            accumulation of the national debt are just as destructive as adventurous stock-jobbing (market game).”

            The full transcript of his Speech you can find here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123317069332125243.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

            And also watch his Q&A at Davos (and please pay attention that he is speaking without teleprompter, because he knows what he is talking about)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMR1BZ9aYM8

            It does not sound like the communistic ideology. But I understand that prejudices still working.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I think that before to make some assertion we must to do some research and not listen what MSM, Hillary, McCoin,
            et al are saying in chasing their own interests.

            You just have to look at Putin’s record and compare what he has done and doing for HIS contry and the People with the Kenyan Fraud’s record.

            1) When Putin was elected president of Russia in 2000, Russia was BANKRUPT. By 2006 Putin had PAID OFF Russia’s DEBT to the Rothschilds-run International Monetary Fund and the Rothschild-controlled Paris & London Club of Creditors. Russia’s financial dependence on the foreign financiers was OVER in 2006.

            Where is the Obama’s U.S.? Printing money and increasing national debt which is close to 17 Trillion.

            2) Putin issued international ARREST WARRANT for
            Rothschild & Financial TERRORIST George Soros.
            Now the terrorist Soros and also the Rothschilds & the
            Rockefellers can’t continue the evil speculations that has devastated the entire GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFumSJCiioc

            Where is the America’s “great leader”? He is Rothschilds, Soros, MBH and Saudi’s Puppet.

            3) Putin wins the battle for Russian oil over the Rothschilds and removes him and all his minions (including Bushes, Clintos, Soros, Obama, et al) from Russia and sends the Rothschild’s agent (Mikhail Khodorkovsky) behind the bars.

            Where is the Kenyan Fraud on the oil? Bowing and kissing Saudis’ a$$.

            4) Vladimir Putin keeps the UN & NWO out of Russia while America is keeping to march into the NOW and Sharia Law.

            Jana, I watched almost all his speeches and press conferences. And I can tell you with all confidence that
            Vladimir Putin is NOT a LIAR nor HYPOCRITE. He is talking the talk and walking the walk. He walks as he talks.

            And the Kenyan FRAUD is talking the talk, but NEVER walking the walk. His talking is LIES, LIES and more LIES.

            Don’t you think Jana that actions are loudly screaming WHO is WHO.

            You must remember that Russia is NOT the Soviet Union.

            When you see protests against Vladimir Putin, do not doubt that that is orchestrated by the Rothschilds & Company thru the sold out media in effort to dictate and control Russia.

            MSM, CNN and even FOX News caught using fake video of riots “against” Putin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FwvQYLKK98

            FYI, I am not Russian and NEVER lived in Russia.

          • Jana
          • Bob666

            Hey Jana-long time.

            You are correct on Putin, he is no more than a bully and a thug. Russia has one of the highest rates of organized crime per capita of all developed countries and I would not be surprised if Putin gets a cut off of the top.

            You can take Vladimir Putin out of the KGB, but you can’t take the ways of the KGB out of Vladimir Putin.

          • Jana

            I do agree. I just watched a video of him singing Blueberry Hill to a group of his loyal followers. It was so sad. He thought he was so good, but he was pathetic.

            VIDEO: Russia’s Putin Sings ‘Blueberry Hill’ At Charity Dinner : The Two-Way : NPR

            Hope this comes through. It is funny at least to me. He is so full of himself.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,

            “He is so full of himself”.

            That is an understatement-more like a god complex.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You are so wrong.
            Jana, What are the symptoms that “He is so full of himself”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4IjHz2yIo&list=PLCF15FD3449604F10
            It’s very sad how you are letting your prejudices get you.

            I am doubt that you will express in the same scornful and belittling feeling about the ex-CIA operative, who one day may become a good President of America, who would respect “We the People” and the Constitution – Supreme Law of THIS Land and the Bill of Rights (and not Sharia Law), who will bring American People back to the American heritage and values on which she was intended to be.

            My VOTE is going to Vladimir Putin for the President of America.

          • Jana

            Sweetie You are wrong. Putin is no friend of the United States. I have done a study a couple of years ago how Russia will in the end days try to come across Alaska to take us over but God will take care of them for us.

            Do not be fooled or taken in by his pretty words because that is all they are is pretty words full of deception.

            , Move on.org and all of these groups that you mentioned are from the left. Soros is as far left and
            anti American as you can get.

            Even from what you sent me to look at doesn’t
            encourage me in Putin’s direction. Look who he and Russia are aligning up with.

            1. China,
            notoriously known for ruling their people with an iron fist. They are not our ally.

            2. Iran.

            3 Syria
            Russia is not playing games, they are DEADLY serious.
            Our foolish President may trust them, I don’t.

          • Bob666

            Hi Jana,

            You have made some very good points, but I am going to offer a different set of facts that you might want to consider regarding Russia and Syria.

            When Iraq and Iran were at war for several years, who sold the bulk of the arms used by Iran?

            Who sells most of the arms to rebels fighting various middle-eastern governments (BTW-We have provided arms to a couple of these groups as well)?

            Who is the primary Arms supplier to both Iran and Syria right now?

            (in millions of current 2011 U.S. dollars)

            Supplier – 2004-07 – % of Total with Developing World

            United States $63,593 50.70%

            Russia $43,000 96.30%

            France $19,100 44.00%

            United Kingdom $20,700 98.60%

            China $8,200 100.00%

            Germany $10,700 46.70%

            Italy $4,500 53.30%

            Remember-The french were pushing the “let’s drop bombs” buttons as well. I have never said that Vladimir Putin is stupid, he sees war as being good for business and an export cash cow for mother Russia.

            That being said, I don’t see Putin coming here via Alaska, because he knows that pretty soon-China will own us.

            http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R42678.pdf

            http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/gallery/Worlds-Top-5-arms-exporters/3105/

            http://www.sipri.org/googlemaps/2013_of_at_top_20_exp_map.html

          • Jana

            Yes, I do know we supplied a majority of the weapons. I also thought it was wrong. I don’t think we ought to be selling weapons and military planes to our enemies. This is idiotic, UGH! No good will come from it. Its like selling drugs to a drug addict and selling drugs to drug dealers. The madness never ends. And that is what it is. Madness, pure madness.

          • Bob666

            Jana,
            Don’t disagree with any of your comments, it is the way the world works

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jana: “Do not be fooled or taken in by his pretty words”

            I am not, Jana. I am looking at actions and what leaders have done for their country and his People.

            According to you Russia should not have her interests and allies. It’s so pathetic.

            Please go to: http://personalliberty.com/2013/09/13/is-this-obamas-dumbest-mistake-yet/
            and look how many people agree with me. Just start start lokk comments from oldest. I don’t expect that you will change your opinion at all, but I am glad that there much more people who see Putin not thru prejudices, but thru his actions.

            Until now I was agree with you 100%. Now I agree with you 97%. I respect you much for your honesty.

            Love and peace.

          • Bob666

            Oh Yes,

            Especially when those “pretty words” represent verifiable facts that are rationally accurate.

            Lets review:

            Highest rate of organized crime in the G8.

            One of the most corrupt governments in the G8 .

            Death or imprisonment to anyone who opposes him.

            Rigged elections.

            And a hostile business climate to international business.

            Otherwise,Vladimir Putin is a great guy-the kind of guy you would leave you children with-if you wanted them sold into the sex trade or white slavery.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping PITIFUL, DELUSIONAL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666

            Yo Pig Latin,
            Sticks and stones might break my bones, but narley old commies will never-ever phase me.

            Don’t hate me because I’m right, loath me because I am a very happy guy with a country and credibility.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping SICK PITIFUL, DELUSIONAL EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.

          • Jana

            Alondra,
            First of all even Obama is not President of America, he is President of the United States. Putin does not qualify to be President of the United States as he is not a resident of this country, nor was he born here.

            One more thing even Satan can come up with the right words and the right strategy to fool as many people as he can. This is a trick. Please please, pray about this and seeks God’s council. This is why there are forerunners of the anti-Christ. To fool even the very elect. You are a Christian. You need to use discernment here.

            Yes, Putin has done a lot of good for his country, but his country is still our enemy. We are in what is called in essence a cold war.
            This country has gone to war to fight against Communism and Socialism. This is what KG stands for and Unions stand for.

          • Bob666
          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jana, you are smart lady. And as I told that before to make some assertion or post some links we must to do some research.

            Russophobia is an Anti-Russian sentiment which displays spectrum of negative prejudices, dislikes or fears of Russia, Russians, or Russian culture.

            There exists a wide variety of mass culture clichés about Russia and Russians. Many of these developed during the Cold War with the Soviet Union.

            You will not go to Daily Kos or MoveOn or snoops for information or news, because there you will find
            disinformation and hate.

            Russophobia is an extreme and irrational fear of Russia. What you will find at La Russophobe is a psychiatrist’s wet dream – disturbed creatures’ mental illness …

            Russophobia as exhibited at La Russophobe is nothing more than mean and small-minded hatred … It’s surprising how often something is passed off as a “phobia” when it’s actually a hatred or strong dislike.

            The members and/or contributors to the La Russophob:

            1) Catherine Fitzpatrick – Minding Russia
            Same New York location, same screeching moralistic style, and formerly worked for Ford and Soros funded foundations (historically, all too frequent cutouts for U.S. government activities in USSR and CIS) while writing for RFE/RL (RFE/RL stands for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.) RFE/RL libeled the Serbs in the run-up to the Kosovo War, and during the aftermath.

            ***Serbs are an Eastern Orthodox (84.6%) majority, a Catholic (5.3%) and Islamic (2.8%)

            2) Jamestown Foundation. The Jamestown Foundation is a Washington, D.C.-based institute for research and analysis, founded in 1984 as a platform to support Soviet dissidents. Jamestown has come under criticism for
            alleged agenda pushing and alleged ties to the CIA.

            3) Orion Strategies Group/Randy Scheunemann
            pro-Georgia lobby (John McCain’s top foreign-policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was from Randy)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4nTiqhU5Aw
            http://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html
            http://www.voltairenet.org/article30105.html

    • KG

      Romans 13
      King James Version (KJV)
      13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
      2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
      3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
      4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
      5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    • Frank Zappa

      The greed and is from international Bankers AND Politicians, Greedy and Corrupt politicians. Thievery comes in the form of Taxes, it comes in the form of Inflation through “Central Banks” AKA The Federal Reserve. We are slaves through complacency and therefore have the Commander N’ Thief that we presently have. Our only hope lies in God after all, AND IF we get the hint we can for a season forestall “The Season Of Sorrow.” Syria was THAT which was planned for the destruction of America to push us to the brink of financial collapse through War. Obutth*le is complicit in the destruction of this country. Syria has been in the planning stages for several years, this was NOT an overnight plan for invasion. Kerry and or Obonzo are not done with Syria, they may still invade this country. Obonzo first stated NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND, then changed his mind not but a week later. Obonzo ALSO stated a “Limited Engagement” so with Obonzo there are no limits.

      • R. FRIPP

        I very much enjoyed your guitar playing….your jokes & social commentary, not so much…

        • Ringgo1

          Who could imagine? Frank has been dead for years…

  • mark

    No unfortunately we are exactly like so many other countries in the world, especially like so many other empires – constantly invading, constantly attacking our neighbors, thirsting for overseas war at the drop of a hat, playing the role of world policeman, spending ourselves into bankruptcy with a monstrous bloated military and security budget like the Romans, like the British Empire, like the Soviet Empire. Our historical sins are well known: land grabbing, slavery, racism, endless interventionism to impose our will on others, a worship of material success and violence as supreme values. But we are exceptional in this sense: we clothe our will to dominate and to greed with all this claptrap about God, America, a city upon a hill, the glory of our Constitution, etc. This is why so many countries hate us, because of our overweening hypocrisy. There are many good things about America: our relatively broad domestic freedoms, the opportunities we extend to so many of our citizens, our willingness to let immigrants come here and prosper (most on this site totally oppose this), our largely open society. But other nations have strengths and virtues as well – not just us. Arlington is full of the graves of those who died needlessly for our obsession with American exceptionalism. We should bury this whole concept there and seek a little humility instead.

    • paulrph1

      Since you want a little humility you should move to another country for a couple of years to see just how exceptional we are. England, Cuba, Spain, Germany, China, Russia would be good for you. I just hope that you will be able to return and report back. Some may not let you out. By they way we should not judge ourselves by the fact that some other countries hate us. One will always find the envious.

      • Deerinwater

        Displaying the perfect example of a American humility deficiency

        • paulrph1

          You know I have lived for a couple of years in another country and that is why I am thankful for what I have. You judge me when you do not even know me. So sad. But I guess you made your point, that is what is important not the reality but making your point.

          • Deerinwater

            I too am traveled, ~ and find diversity a good thing, something to celebrate. While I see this notions of American exceptional-ism as a double edged knife and can cut both ways. It’s difficult to stay humble went you judge one’s on self by others.

            Jesus was a spiritualistic leader that taught humility and love and only in his humility was he exceptional as a leader as all leaders love something.

            I find the notion of American exceptional-ism at odds with humility. ~ We are only 247 years old,~ a tiny splash of time in a infinite sea, still basting in the glory and bounty of post WWII. ~ and already we start to rot for the inside out.

            This downward trend appeared on our radar in 1979, while it actually begin some years earlier as the powerful with deep pockets took over our government at key levels and installed “illusions” to substitute for realities.

            To hail this American Exceptional-ism is to validate their illusions. Out spending on Military 5 to 1 and a major world media network aboard~ makes any “illusion making” only a matter of decision.

            Too many of us has lost righteous humility , ~ The “Power” afforded by humility has been replaced with arrogant elitist exceptional-ism

          • Moshe McCarthy

            We have the best system & have been blessed with the best resources, but if the common folk & their leaders are not walking with God, it will collapse. As Lincoln so wisely noted: “LET US NOT ASK THAT GOD BE ON OUR SIDE, BUT THAT WE BE ON GOD’S SIDE”

            We are really the blessing given to Abraham’s seed, EPHRAIM, ..We are really Israel, “A blessing to all nations”, but we are about to lose it! (Great Britain is Manasseh)…”The younger would be greater than the elder”…the nation in the Middle East is really JUDAH.

            INNER MEANING (TRUE MEANING) of Government=”GOD OVER MEN”

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Why should America be humble, God gave us the blessing of Liberty and Freedom and ability to create and build, be Individuals. And we are thankful for that. What the bloody hell is this desire from you for Americans to hang their heads in shame for accomplishing things.

          • Karolyn

            Humility has nothing to do with hanging one’s head in shame. True humility is acknowledging one’s attributes, while not being prideful and superior about them.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            And why not? Does a community build skills, lose sleep, work hard? Karolyn, you are a twatter plain and simple, envious and covetous because other people succeed and will succeed. Then tell us why you are prideful and superior when you have no attributes.

          • Karolyn

            And why are you so hateful, mean-spirited and judgmental of people you know not at all? You know nothing about me yet presume so much. Just because someone holds different views? Incredible!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            And WHY are you so STUPID, mean-spirited and Mentally Pervert? We know enough about you . You may not like it, but it’s how we see you thru your comments, which are very revealing.

            “The mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 15:2)

          • Brevity is the soul of wit

            Yo Pokenator,
            And why are you a blood sucking leach that has come to the country of hard working Americans to disrespect those who have worked for the freedom that you enjoy as a parasite.

            Karolyn is an American as I am an American. You are noting more than an old commie propagandist without a home. Putin called, he wants his Propagandist back,

            Bob666
            Proud 13th Generation Patriot and descendant of our founding fathers.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Yo Yo Moron, except parroting and plagiarizing you NEVER could articulately one sentence coherently.

            So, Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13 generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork Belly,

            “except parroting and plagiarizing you NEVER could articulately one sentence coherently”.

            So, just who am I “parroting and plagiarizing” ham hock? I look forward to your weak attempt to make an argument that you can’t back up.

            And, that would be Mr. MANURIAL FLY to you.

            Bob666
            Red, White and Blue native born American and defender of the constitution that you did noting to deserve or earn.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Yo Yo Moron, except parroting and plagiarizing you NEVER could articulately one sentence coherently.

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13 generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor Propaganda queen,

            “Yo Yo Moron, except parroting and plagiarizing you NEVER could articulately one sentence coherently”.

            Is that really all that you have? page 185 of the USSR propaganda manual-Repeat the same lie over and over and hope someone believes it?

            “parroting and plagiarizing”-I will leave that you as you obviously lack imagination and the ability to make a sound and rational argument.

            Go back to your boy-toy Mr. Putin, maybe he wants you.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13 generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork By-Products,

            That would be “Mr. MANURIAL FLY,13th generation out of 14 proud Freedom loving American”.

            Go suck the life and freedom out of people in another country!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH.

          • Bob666

            Are you looking in the Mirror again Pokenator?

            “Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH fits you so well-oh yes, add pathological to your list of personality traits.

            Still waiting for you to explain just who I am “”parroting and plagiarizing”???????????

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH.

          • Bob666

            But Swinestein,

            You left out very happy and well adjusted guy.

            Have a lovely evening as you fantasize about your boy-toy comrade Vladimir!

            BTW-who am I “”parroting and plagiarizing”???????????

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666

            Yo pork-fest,

            Remember to vote yourself up a few more times so you can feel a sense of self worth and you can feel even better by voting me down a couple of more times.

            “Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC” That’s you all right-sweet dreams and remember to put an apple in your mouth.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666
          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666

            Oh Fat Back,

            I guess election fraud us only importaint when you don’t like the guy that won?

            Go back home you old commie-oh-you don’t have one!

            http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/1424089/Mathematical-proof-of-fraud-in-Russian-elections-unsound.html

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666

            Yo Swinestein,
            What is it like to be so completely and consistently wrong?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666

            Oh Come on Pork Belly,
            Does the truth hurt you that much?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

        • Ringgo1

          Posting about yourself again?

          • Deerinwater

            Exception as in how paulrph1?

            That reminds me of the movie dialogue between Tarzan and Jane as she attempts to persuade Tarzan to come to New York with her for a visit. Mary says, “Tarzan, they have trains that travel at 60 mph hour!” ~ Tarzan says, “Why?” ~

            What you see and believe to be “wonderful” about anything is based on ones own “Valve system” ~

            What I missed most in my travels about the world where things American’s take for granted, ~ simple things like Clean Water ~~ and ICE !

            Yes America is “Great” ~ but I am an American, why would I not think so? ~America is one of the few places in the would were 125 pound person can get into a 4500 pound automobile and drive to a store 2 miles away to save money on a pack of cigarettes.

    • Sam

      Yeah, they hate us so much that millions sneak in every year. We give more money to other countries than anyone. We rebuild countries we war in. You are either a left wing liberal or a non citizen. We have a Constitution, the God of Abraham and Jesus. Compared to other countries, we ARE exceptional and don’t you ever forget it.

      • mark

        No, we give much less in foreign aid as a percentage of our GDP and of our federal budget than do other nations. The Dutch, the Germans, the Japanese give much more of their annual GDP than we do. Only 1.5% of our federal budget goes to foreign aid. Only the desperately poor mostly from Mexico now sneak in. The majority of Europeans except for the very poor in Spain and Greece prefer their own societies to ours. Our constant military interventions overseas since the end of WWII, our high murder rates, low education scores, crumbling physical and social infrastructure, and increasing nativism have hurt our global reputation immensely.

        • topmah

          Interesting that you bring up ‘low education scores, crumbling physical and social infrastructure’ since these are the direct outcome of the liberal policies that’ve caused our country’s ‘exceptionalism’ to plummet…and I’m tickled that ‘The majority of Europeans prefer their own societies to our’, because God help us, we sure don’t need anymore of them here to add to the ‘gimmiedats’ (great word plagiarized from another commentator) that’re bleeding us dry.

        • THREE PICKERS

          We need to stop giving them that money so freely…it goes into propping up brutal dictators & oligarchs & never gets to the people who really need it. Plus, we are going broke…Time to let the other nations chart their own courses!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Exactly, Pickers.

          • vicki

            We should not give them that money AT ALL. It is money taken at gunpoint (taxes) supposedly for the use of our government not a foreign one.

            We can start our own organizations and donate to them and they can give the money to whomever the doners agree. THIS is the American way to provide aid to foreign countries

          • THREE PICKERS

            OK, I’ll buy that!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark says — “No, we give much less in foreign aid as a percentage of our GDP and of our federal budget than do other nations”.
          What do you mean “we”, kimosabe?
          I don’t give any foreign aid. It is just taken from me by thieving Progressives like yourself. It is NOT your money, or the Government’s money, to give.

          • Jana

            ME EITHER!!!

        • vicki

          I don’t think that the people getting the money taken from the people at gunpoint (taxes) bother to look at what % of the GDP is. They just look at the size of the pie they get.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      mark, correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t you rationalizing Obama’s Syrian war efforts just a few weeks ago?

      mark says — “Our historical sins are well known: land grabbing, slavery, racism, endless interventionism to impose our will on others, a worship of material success and violence as supreme values”.
      Almost all the wrongs committed in our country’s colonial days and afterwards were committed under cover of Government. Yet you regularly stump for Big Government, mark. How do you explain that inconsistency?
      For those who would like to know more about our country’s colonial history than you got from the Propagandist Schools:
      http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf
      http://mises.org/books/conceived2.pdf
      http://mises.org/books/conceived3.pdf
      http://mises.org/books/conceived4.pdf

      • mark

        No, I opposed any intervention in Syria. (It was the NATO Libyan operation that I supported because Gaddafi killed 189 innocent Americans over Lockerbie) And U.S. private citizens and companies have committed many of the wrongs of our past such as slavery, racism, land stealing, violence against Indians, etc – not just the government and its organs. Private citizens and companies as I mentionedabove have also contributed to many of the good things about our economy and our society. Mises like yourself, Dave, carry this obsession of blaming everything on the government too far. One of Mises’ great blind spots is their failure to take into account the power of huge capital concentrations in our society which have often dominated our government throughout our history and still calls the tune for the U.S. government on many issues.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark once again shows his ignorance by saying — “One of Mises’ great blind spots is their failure to take into account the power of huge capital concentrations in our society which have often dominated our government throughout our history and still calls the tune for the U.S. government on many issues”.
          I guess I should cut him some slack, as he does claim not to have read much of the literature that I link to. On the other hand, since he hasn’t — why would he presume to know what their “blind spots” are?
          The Austrian Economists at Mises often expose the fact that Crony Capitalists work hand-in-hand with Crony Politicians. Here is a search on Crony Capitalists, for example:
          http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=site%3Amises.org+Crony+Capitalist
          In the following article Thomas DiLorenzo uses the phrase “political entrepreneur” (Crony Capitalist) 17 times:
          http://mises.org/daily/2317

          I would be embarrassed to comment, mark, if I made such ignorant unfounded statements as you do.

  • Deerinwater

    In line with God? ~ I assume you would install God into our Godless government?

    • jerry1944

      Yes the God Jesses Christ not not muslumms they are the work of the devil. After all you do see what we have when libs put a muslumm in office now right

    • Vigilant

      Deer, I think “Godless” may be too strong a term, and not entirely accurate in describing our government. “Secular” might be a better term. Godless would seem to imply atheistic, which is certainly not the basis for our government.

      Given the foundation of the government upon Creator-endowed rights, the thousands of references to the Deity in the writings of the Founders, presidents, and in the form of inscriptions on federal and state monuments/buildings, and such things as prayer in Congress or political conventions before convening, it would be difficult to ignore the extent to which God continues to play a part in the conduct of affairs in this country.

    • vicki

      We do not need to believe in God to believe in the basic principles that this country is founded on. TheOrigionalDaveH demonstrates this all the time.

  • KG

    Say Chip, I guess you learned your lesson on revealing too much of your fascist intent. Sound’s like you have been reading the Constitution as well. That’s a change for you ‘libertarian Nazis’. Yous guys usually spout out that America has to ‘get back’ to the original intent of the Constitution. I always ask “…so how many ‘other persons’ do you want to import?”

    Just face it. Despite Mr Putin’s KGB background He may be more aware of what America is than you. You want to complain about a Government of, by and for the People because of taxes? How do you expect our Government to function without Revenue? Besides THAT was the main reason the ‘Articles of Confederation’ failed. And why a new Constitution had to be drawn – mostly to include some kind of way for the Government to function by being able to raise revenue. Most people who advocate for Libertarianism, you as well as Bob, are under the impression that people should only “voluntarily” support the Government. That is why the Articles never worked. The only power the colonial congress could do was to ask or beg for the revenues needed to have a government. And you know how “generous” people are with their money for government?

  • KG

    Say Chip, I guess you learned your lesson on revealing too much of your fascist intent. Sound’s like you have been reading the Constitution as well. That’s a change for you ‘libertarian Nazis’. Yous guys usually spout out that America has to ‘get back’ to the original intent of the Constitution. I always ask “…so how many ‘other persons’ do you want to import?”

    Just face it. Despite Mr Putin’s KGB background He may be more aware of what America is than you. You want to complain about a Government of, by and for the People because of taxes? How do you expect our Government to function without Revenue? Besides THAT was the main reason the ‘Articles of Confederation’ failed. And why a new Constitution had to be drawn – mostly to include some kind of way for the Government to function by being able to raise revenue. Most people who advocate for Libertarianism, you as well as Bob, are under the impression that people should only “voluntarily” support the Government. That is why the Articles never worked. The only power the colonial congress could do was to ask or beg for the revenues needed to have a government. And you know how “generous” people are with their money for government?

    • Vigilant

      “Yous guys usually spout out that America has to ‘get back’ to the original intent of the Constitution. I always ask “…so how many ‘other persons’ do you want to import?”

      Only an idiot believes that tripe, and you know exactly what Mr. Wood means, KG.

      • KG

        I know what Chip is talking about. He, as well as sycophants like yourself, want to turn America into some kind of libertarian/Rothbard/Ayn Rand/Von Misies/Nazi “paradise” where the rich and elite rule over everyone.

        • Vigilant

          Don’t change the subject, KG. You implied that those who wish to restore the Constitution want to bring back slavery. You are wrong.

          Yesterday you said “One of the documents that Ho Chi Min used to justify his rebellion against the south was America’s Declaration of Independence. I think we as a nation was [sic] on the wrong side in that war.”

          That implies that you agree with the execution of millions by the governments of Viet Nam and Cambodia. Explain yourself.

          • KG

            Am I wrong? By denying workers the right to collectively organize is the road that leads to slavery. Right to work is nothing less than the ‘Right to work for LESS’. While the employes at Walmart seem to be “at will” employes, they have become defacto slaves due to the economic power that Walmart can leverage against small towns all across America.

          • Vigilant

            “Workers of the world, unite!”

            You get no traction here with communist pap.

            Explain yourself on your Ho Chi Min statement.

          • KG

            ‘The wheels of Capitalism are oiled by the blood of the workers.’

            Citing the language and the spirit of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, after WWI at Versailles, Minh expected U.S. President Woodrow Wilson to help remove the French colonial rule from Vietnam and ensure the formation of a new, nationalist government. Although they were unable to obtain consideration at Versailles, the failure further radicalized Minh, while also making him a symbol of the anti-colonial movement at home in Vietnam.

            n 1941, Ho returned to Vietnam to lead the Viet Minh independence movement. The “men in black” were a 10,000 member guerrilla force that operated with the Viet Minh. He oversaw many successful military actions against the Vichy French and Japanese occupation of Vietnam during World War II, supported closely but clandestinely by the United States Office of Strategic Services, and later against the French bid to reoccupy the country (1946–54).

            Following the August Revolution (1945) organized by the Viet Minh, Ho became Chairman of the Provisional Government and issued a Proclamation of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. Although he convinced Emperor Bao Dai to abdicate, his government was not recognized by any country. He repeatedly petitioned American President Harry S. Truman for support for Vietnamese independence, citing the Atlantic Charter, but Truman never responded.

            Just think of all the carnage and treasure we cold have saved IF.

          • Vigilant

            ‘The wheels of communism are oiled by the blood of the innocent.’

            Your communist buddies killed more people than the Viet Nam War ever did. I repeat, explain your support for Hi Chi Minh.

          • FREED DONUTS

            Mao killed more people than Stalin & Hitler combined!

            People like KG never use the same standard for the USA as rest of world…if he went to Cuba, & lived there he would want to swim back or kill himself!

          • KG

            Does the number of people killed determine if a cause is just or not? How many Iraqis we killed in midnight bombing raids? Some estimates run as high as 2 million. While is not as high as that other conservative patriot Adolph Hitler, it’s a good start.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Straw man argument.

            Adolph Hitler was a Socialist:
            http://mises.org/daily/3274

          • KG

            I would love to visit your upside down world that you seem to hallucinate. And Von Misies honored modern fascism as “saving the western world”. That’s why the Nazis still rule Europe, eh?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And there you have it, Folks. Follow KGBs comments to learn the twisted tactics of Socialist Progressives everywhere. He is a one-man beacon of manipulative tactics.

          • Jana

            Only in your crazy world.

          • Hrumphhhhh

            Hitler was a lefty!!!

          • Jana

            A lefty, a Socialist, the same thing any more.

          • Vigilant

            “While is not as high as that other conservative patriot Adolph Hitler, it’s a good start.”

            Change that to “While it is not as high as that other leftist Adolph Hitler…”

          • Jana

            Whose estimates? The liberals liars estimates??

          • FREE DONUTS

            HAHAHA……what hat did you pull that number out of??? Yeah, Mao killings were justified………….LOL!!!!

          • Dolly Dagger

            How many innocents is OBOZO killing with his illegal use of drones?

          • Jana

            Yes Vigilant, You are definitely a warrior!

          • Vigilant

            Thank you!

          • vicki

            His communist buddies killed more people than Capitalism ever did too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “The wheels of Capitalism are oiled by the blood of the workers”.
            Balderdash, KGB. If you don’t like what a company offers, then don’t work there. Find another job, or start your own company to show us how you can do it better.

          • JeffH

            A lie effectively told becomes the truth. Perception is reality. You can fool all of your people all of the time – with the right liberal/progressive telling the lie. That is the published strategy of the Progressive/Marxist/Communist movement.

          • topmah

            ‘Right to work for LESS’? Perhaps you’re right about that–LESS union/mob control, LESS money going to dem politicians whether you’d vote for them or not, LESS $$ taken from you for dues–but now let’s talk about the MORE–more productivity, more quality, more freedom, more opportunity to advance, more affordable products–I could go on but no need–you obviously know absolutely nothing about ‘right-to-work’–AND nothing about cost-of-living in those ‘RTW’ states. Since income dictates COL, you’d be surprised to see that just in housing, for example, your union-state home will be half the size of the one in the RTW state, but will cost twice as much. No, you’re living in a dreamworld if you think RTW hurts folks–it frees them, but then, freedom where libs are concerned is a dirty word, isn’t it?

          • KG

            Ever been to the king of RTW states? Texas is a ‘libertarian’ dream world where the minorities all live in separated enclaves away from the white ‘superiors’ gated communities. Where Mexicans can be exploited for less that 50$ a day. Where OSHA is a bad word.

            Yes, land as well as housing is relatively cheaper here than Southern California. And both the husband and wife were to work minimum wage jobs, they could afford a home.

            If the husband could get a good paying Union job, then the wife could stay at home and take care of the kids. But, Republicans can’t let that happen.

          • topmah

            Well, yes, KG–I’ve ‘been to the king of RTW states’–I lived there in Dallas. Apparently you haven’t or if you have, your lib views blind you to its success. My husband didn’t have ‘a good paying union job’, instead he had an EXCELLENT paying NON-union job & I did stay home with the kids, so your premise is full of holes. I now live in another RTW state & wouldn’t have it any other way. I also lived in Detroit before it was turned into a hell-hole by liberal policies AND unions, so I’m pretty familiar with just how ‘terrific’ those unions are…not to mention their thug tactics, even murder- can you say, ‘Joseph Yablonski’?

          • StinkBomb Jones

            But, wasn’t it your LOONY TUNES LIB buddies mainly of the Feminine persuasion that came up the paradigm that unless a woman works outside the home & has a “career” they are worthless? And they still profoundly cling to that nonsense!

          • Ringgo1

            I live in Texas; you’re full of “it”.

          • Ringgo1

            I live in Texas; you’re full of “it”.

          • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

            But, you ignore the severe corruption of the unions & their leaders these days, they could not give a rat’s ass about you or anyone else, but their own pockets….it’s about freedom so one does not have to join a union & have them take their money & support candidates & philosophies they abhor!!

            As long as laws are enforced properly, corporations will pay the price of violating them & workers safeties, polluting the environment, etc…. The day of forced unionization is ending, Thank God!

          • Jana

            AMEN!!!

          • vicki

            The key word is forced. It should never have had a day at all but thank God enough people are waking to the evil of unions (corrupted by the same power that corrupted government).

          • StinkBomb Jones

            Nobody is denying anyone that right, actually, Right to Work, means freedom to NOT join a union that will take your money & give you nothing in return.

            But, with the LIBS raising taxes & fees with things like Obummercare & on virtually everything else, they are actually making people work for less

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “By denying workers the right to collectively organize is the road that leads to slavery”.
            Who has denied them that right, KGB?
            In fact the actions of the NLRB have been in the opposite direction — that of stifling those states who want to give people the freedom to choose not to be subjugated by Union Bosses. Why does anybody in their right mind want to deal with two Bosses? Only the Non-producers want to join Unions, so they can ride on the coat-tails of the Producers.

          • Jana

            Anyone who is working has the right to look for a better place of employment. IF you belong to a UNION you HAVE to pay your UNION DUES to make sure your union bosses get theirs. Wow. How nice of you. Your Union bosses live in much better houses than you do. They drive much better cars than you do and have many more cars than you do and have many more body guards than you might think. Plus, they have uh thugs on their pay roll so if YOU get out of control they will convince you why you shouldn’t get out of control. hahahaha. Who is the slave??? You are and you are so dumbed down you don’t even know it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Or he is one of them.

          • KG

            Your ignorance of the Union world is only eclipsed by your personal stupidity.

          • Vigilant

            Your ignorance of the real world is only eclipsed by your personal stupidity.

          • KG
          • Vigilant

            Well now, KG, I think I and every august contributor to this site owe you a debt of gratitude. Thanks to your breakthrough methods, we now know that the “youtube feeds” are the be all, end all, unimpeachable sources for truth in this world.

            What a great gift you’ve given us. We no longer need to pore through those long and complicated source documents, nor do we need to rely on the historical record for our facts and figures. Researchers the world over can save many hours of time in verifying and cross referencing their work. They need only list in their bibliographies the URLs to the “youtube feeds.”

            This will certainly simplify conversations and shorten their duration when one conversant need only point to the “youtube feed” for substantiation. The hapless opponent can only say, “oh, you saw it on youtube? Well, I guess I have no argument then.”

            Brilliant work, KG! You’ve effectively stifled all intelligent conversation regarding union thuggery. No longer will I challenge you to explain the near-demise of General Motors, or the fact that unions have priced their products out of both foreign and domestic markets. Guess I better not broach the subject of union corruption, or the use of non-Democrat union dues to fund Democrat campaigns.

          • KG

            I’m not the only swinging member that uses Youtube for retorts. I’m not sure how i could do it, but i would be willing to bet that even YOU have posted some youtube videos as well.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1YhhMHdNY

          • Vigilant

            As far as I recall. I never have, never will.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You are snarling because Jana told the truth about you and unions.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            UNIONS: Just the TRUTH, the WHOLE Truth and nothing, but the TRUTH
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbY5K7Z4cB4&list=PL-tMvdpgjE_UwCmkFKK_HfUR83eoOOh1J

            Union thugs have vandalized equipment, torched buildings, and even murdered people, for the simple act of working NON-union. Countless VICTIMS HAVE LOST THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR HEALTH, THEIR LIVELIHOODS, AND EVEN THEIR LIVES TO UNION VIOLENCE.

            According to the National Institute for Labor Relations Research (NILRR), there have been over 12,000
            incidents of union violence reported by American media since 1975.

            And the studies show 80%-90% of violent union incidents that get reported to police are never reported in the media. The union bosses that coordinate these crime virtually never face justice because of an outrageous loophole in the Hobbs anti-extortion law.

            “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” 2Ezdra

            Magna est VERITAS et praevalet.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiTuwiwWXGc&list=PL-tMvdpgjE_UwCmkFKK_HfUR83eoOOh1J

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unionist wage raises come at everybody else’s expense. The rest of us carry the weight, so the Unionists don’t have to.

            “Hutt’s first great contribution to economics was his concise and lucid The Theory of Collective Bargaining(P.S. King, 1930), which remains to this day the best book on the theory of wage determination. In this book, Hutt criticized many of the classical economists, and showed conclusively that unions cannot increase general wage rates, and that particular wage increases can only come at the expense of a dislocation of labor and a fall in wage rates of other workers”.
            http://mises.org/econsense/ch107.asp

          • vicki

            Oh look. Another ad hominem. Are you related to mark or bullrun?

          • KG

            This article explains why and Ad Hominem is not necessarily wrong.

            http://bensonian.org/2012/02/10/defending-ad-hominem-arguments/

          • smilee

            Union dues produce on average of $800.00 per month more in wages so they do it for themselves not their union representatives. There are no union bosses as no member works for the union. Say your dues are $50 a month and you get $800 a month more in wages would not that in every other venue be considered an investment with very a high return. I know business representatives who make less than some of their members and no union representative makes anywhere close to to the wages of the CEO they negotiate with. Your distorting the reality here.and doing a lot of lying about it to. Union membership is freedom from employer oppression which is so common today..

          • Jana

            Smilee you are just as pathetic as KG. You are both brainwashed. I know you are happy in your little world.

          • smilee

            Coming from someone without a brain that is choice, I also have a lot more money in my little world because of the union so I am happy

          • Jana

            Yes, I imagine you do. Stolen from others who have had to give it to you called bail outs. You ought to be so proud.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did you get that information, Sleepee, from your Union Rep?
            I always made as much or more than the Unionists I knew.

          • smilee

            I got it off the labor dept website they track this info. Never said some make more than non union members but seldom on a given job description. Never the less few dispute that union wages are higher.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unionists can only make above-market wages at everybody else’s expense. This has been rigorously demonstrated in “The Theory of Collective Bargaining” by William Harold Hutt.
            If everybody was in a Union, we would all be losing money due to the cost of the unnecessary middle-men. Not to mention losing our self-respect.

          • smilee

            I’ll bet you failed math too, as it just does not add up.

          • Vigilant

            “Union membership is freedom from employer oppression which is so common today.”

            Since union membership has been on a downward spiral for decades, I would surmise, using your “logic,” that “employer oppression” is decreasing as well..
            You can’t win for losing, son.

          • smilee

            It is increasing big time especially in the large corporations. Ask the non union employees where I worked they were jealous of us and they will tell you each year it gets worse as we were treated with respect, no not love, but respect which they were not.

          • Frank Kahn

            Said like a true Marxist idiot.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            WHY there is “like”?
            He is a TRUE Mentally Pervert IDIOT!!!

          • smilee

            Now whose going off on a tangent

          • Vigilant

            Either usefully engage in the subject or keep your pie hole shut.

            KG ran away from answering the question yesterday. Just trying to keep his feet to the fire.

            “Stupidity has a knack of getting its way.” – Albert Camus
            You’ve had your way, now buzz off.

          • smilee

            You obviously do not support my right to freedom of speech. Shame on you! Your no match for KG

          • Vigilant

            I support anyone’s right to look stupid. Case at hand.

          • smilee

            And you did succeed in looking stupid

          • Vigilant

            “Now whose [sic] going off on a tangent.”

            “Your [sic] no match for KG.”

            For someone with such a limited knowledge of the English language, you reveal your stupidity every time you open your mouth.

            “Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.” – Elbert Hubbard

          • smilee

            Your so full of crap

          • Vigilant

            “Your [sic] so full of crap.”

            LOL! You just can’t resist showing us your ignorance, can you?

            Hint: the word is “you’re,” not “your.”

          • smilee

            Like I said your full of crap

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You are a guest on someone else’s property, namely the PLD site, so they can evaluate how much freedom of speech you will be allowed.
            Create your own site, you have freedom to do that.

          • JeffH

            There you have it folks…and that, in a nutshell, is all one needs to know about “sleepee” smilee.

          • Jana

            KG is.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The explanation is that he’s a lying piece of commie bat guano.

        • hippybiker

          That sounds like the Democratic plan to me. Look at people like Pelosi who had a jet plane loaded with liquor and pushed legislation so American citizens in Samoa would be excluded from the minimum wage. That benefits StarKist Tuna, and her husband has a very large interest in said company. Let us also remember that the KKK was formed by Southern Democrats.

        • hippybiker

          That sounds like the Democratic plan to me. Look at people like Pelosi who had a jet plane loaded with liquor and pushed legislation so American citizens in Samoa would be excluded from the minimum wage. That benefits StarKist Tuna, and her husband has a very large interest in said company. Let us also remember that the KKK was formed by Southern Democrats.

          • KG

            The KKK was formed by ex-confederates who wanted to return ‘Honor’ to the South by terrorizing and killing Blacks who were trying to make a better world for themselves. So, do you really think that the Democrat party of 1865 is the same as 2013? Then you are really deluded, or just plain stupid.

          • Jana

            By the way, the KKK were a lot of Democrats.

          • KG

            OK, so it is plain stupidity

        • S.C.Murf

          There was a Billionaire who just the other day thanked Bernankie and the Fed. Reserve for keeping the presses rolling because it was making them (Billionaires) richer. Now isn’t these policies the liberal mandate of obama and his liberal cronies? You are very confusing to try and follow kgb, you seem to speak out of both sides of your mouth and neither side knows what the other side is saying. Don’t you get confused? Or are you reading from a script and getting paid. That would make you one of the 47% Romney was talking about. You try and have a nice weekend and don’t argue with yourself so much
          Chip good article way to stand up and tell it like it is. There will be another jewel in your crown on the other side. Love the way you stir the pot and get these liberal satan followers riled

          up the hill
          airborne

          • KG

            Billionaires, like Conservative Republicans, are selfish self-centered people who care nothing for the People except for enriching themselves at the peoples cost. If these so-called billionaires are investing in construction projects, and these projects are done Union, then that money could get into the economy and benefit everyone. This chart shows the real problem.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Chart shows nothing more than people waking up to the folly of Unionism.
            The middle class is declining in an inverse relationship to the growth of Government, as intelligent people would expect.
            The Private Sector produces wealth, while Government consumes it. So naturally, as Government grows and the Private Sector shrinks, the economy will contract.

            KGB says — “Billionaires, like Conservative Republicans, are selfish self-centered people who care nothing for the People except for enriching themselves at the peoples cost”.
            Who did the super-rich vote for in 2008?
            http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/13/the-rich-support-mccain-the-super-rich-support-obama/
            Who did the super-rich vote for in 2012?
            http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-wins-8-10-wealthiest-154837437.html

          • KG

            So, getting paid less that you were in 1979, adjusted for Inflation, is a GOOD thing?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It is an irrelevant thing.
            But thanks for pointing out, KGB, what Big Government is doing to people’s incomes.

          • Jana

            Keep up the good work Original DaveH. KG has no leg to stand on especially spouting off about the Communist Unions!!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          And that is why you have no credibility on this board, KGB.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But it was the Nazis and the Communists and the Fabians and the skull and boners and the Occultists/New Agers and Soros, etc., who claimed and claim moral, intellectual, monetary superiority to rule over humanity. By the way it takes a lot of money to be stupid whether it is earned, stolen, inherited, invested, contributed, etc..

    • Jana

      Fascism is a kind of government.
      In fascism, the country is considered more important than any one person, group, liberty or provision. A country under this kind of government is always run by a person called a leader, who has the right of total control over the government and people[1]. Fascist leadership might also be similar to an oligarchy, such as in Italy, where the fascist party was ruled by its “grand council”.

      There is more than one reason why people living in democratic states oppose fascism, but the main reason is that in a fascist dictatorship the individual citizen has no guaranteed rights. If you say the wrong thing or oppose the wrong person, you can be arrested or killed without a fair trial. You have to be careful to avoid becoming unpopular with the wrong people.
      Many people believe that Fascism would not be a terrible system if you
      always do your duty and you never oppose the government. However, the problem is that people can be corrupt. Everything looks good in theory, but in real life innocent people can get into serious trouble with the government when there is no guaranteed right to a fair trial.

      Fascism – Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      ——————————
      often Fascism:

      A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

      A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.Oppressive, dictatorial control.

      Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism#ixzz2fRRpGh3j
      ————————-

      Both are attributed to Mussolini. Actually the last definition from Answers.com sounds more like Obama, but which one did you mean?

      Again It sounds like you have not engaged your brain before you engaged your computer. You always have a backwards and upside down view and value of how our country should be. Wow you are really something.

      • Horace DeBussy Jones

        Will Rogers said of Communism, “It’s a good idea on paper, but it’ll never work” can be applied to fascism & other similar philosophies…the inherent flaw that stops a nation from having a classless society is that the leaders & bureaucrats become the elite, the so-called royalty…it is unavoidable!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Chip isn’t a Libertarian, Ignoramus.
      The Constitution had nothing to do with the importation of slaves.
      The other side of the Constitution story:
      http://mises.org/daily/2335
      The only legitimate Government is a Government that protects people from the Force of others. Everything else they do could be done better in the private sector and voluntarily. People who look to the Government to solve their problems generally do so because they want other people to pay for those things they desire.

      • KG

        Except for when they chop-up 12 year old girls.

        http://exiledonline.com/atlas-shrieked-why-ayn-rands-right-wing-followers-are-scarier-than-the-manson-family-and-the-gruesome-story-of-the-serial-killer-who-stole-ayn-rands-heart/

        Now it makes sense. Libertarians are doing just what Hitler did. Accuse your enemies of the same things YOU are doing.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          When is WHEN and who are the THEY that are chopping up 12 year old girls? Typical Collectivist tripe.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Ayn Rand wasn’t a Libertarian, you lying commie, KGB.
          And even if she was, her personal choices (if the story is even true) have nothing at all to do with Libertarianism.
          Argumentum ad homimem.
          Association Fallacy:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

          • KG

            You are so full of it! I guess the sky is green and the sea is orange?

            You cannot dismiss the direct links that the philosophy of Objective-ism is central to the Libertarian dogma. Which would put Ayn Rand within the pantheon of Libertarian gods and goddesses.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ayn Rand was not a Libertarian. In fact she disdained Libertarianism.
            http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ar_libertarianism_qa

            Also, you lying piece of bat guano, the article did not make it clear what “enthralled” amounted to. Was she fascinated by his evilness like a Crime novelist might be fascinated by the criminal character in his book?
            I suspect if that is the case, she would have been enthralled by you, KGB, because you are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, an Evil man.

          • KG

            Matthew 7:11-12

            King James Version (KJV)

            11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

            12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

          • Jana

            The sad part is KGB you have the evil part down in this verse, being a good little Communist. If you only trluly understood what you quote.
            (more comment at the bottom)

            The rest of this scripture is:

            Matt 7:13-20

            13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

            14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

            15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

            16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

            17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

            18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

            19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

            20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
            KJV

            Sadly we have all seen the fruits of the thugs of the unions and the fruits of the union bosses. We also have seen the value of the lazy union workers who will only do one job and not lift a finger to do anything but that one job.

            They collectively organize like you said below but they organize like our congressmen do to get themselves lifetime benefits to the detriment of the future generations. They can’t be satisfied with living comfortably, they have to live lavishly off of all our backs which ends up off of Gov’t bailouts. This is wrong.

          • KG

            I beg to differ on your assessment of Union workers. Here’s an example of what ‘union thugs and bosses’ do every day.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqU5n1REw-E

          • Cashu

            She was a capitalist who thoroughly understood the laws of money. In my opinion, she was one of the greatest minds of all time where the ideal of capitalism is concerned. Her books focused on WHY capitalism is the only really fair system, because of the immutable rules of money.

            One of my favorite episodes in any of her books is the speech on money made by her character, Francisco D’Anconia:

            http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/

            I rarely reread a book. However, the lessons in Ayn Rand’s writings are so timelessly profound, I find myself picking those books up to reread them every few years…

            Cashu

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          • Nadzieja Batki

            So what would be so wrong with following Ayn Rand?

          • Jana

            Not a thing, its just KGB’s warped LITTLE mind.

        • Cashu

          I just clicked your link because I understand that what you agree with tells us who you are.

          Now I begin to understand why you think the way you do. And now I have to go wash my mind out with something logical to remove the stench of your ideals…

        • Jana

          Oh wow. I guess every fiction crime writer to you must be some type of monster. What about Valerie Jarrett who LOVES Mao and IS an Iranian born Communist sympathizer (and probably a communist) as she saw to the appointment of Van Jones who IS a self avowed Communist.

          There are many fiction writers that do not do what their characters do. That you cannot tell the difference speaks volumes about you KGB. How sad for you.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Jana, a Communist sympathizer and an out and out Communist are one and the same. Why would the freaks sympathize with Communists if they were not of the same mind.

          • Jana

            I agree!!!!

        • vicki

          Libertarians are obviously NOT doing just what Hitler did. They advocate small government, individual liberty and responsibility, self reliance, charity (not government theft) and so on. http://www.lp.org

          • KG

            You are right! Libertarians want the Government so small, that there IS no ‘government’ – just a bunch of people propelled by their own sense of right and wrong. They believe in their own individual liberty so much, that they will be more than glad to tell YOU what is right and wrong. They are so responsible for themselves that they will be more than glad to let their Grandparents suffer in poverty so they can enjoy life.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Government spent less than 5% of the GDP throughout the 19th century. Somehow the people got along.
            Now Government spends 40% of the GDP and look at all the turmoil.
            Government grows inversely to the economy. The Bigger Government is, the Smaller the economy is. Those people, who would like to investigate, can look at this ranking of Economic Freedom and check out the economies of the countries with the Least Economic Freedom (at the bottom of the list):
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • KG

            Ummm…we live in the 21st century. You can go back to horse and buggy and outdoor privy’s if you want too. I prefer my pick-up truck and porcelain throne.

            So when are you moving to Hong Kong? It’s funny, but three of the top five have significant Union participation (Australia New Zealand and Switzerland). So, what does THAT prove?

    • $8012302

      The articles of confederation failed because they were too democratic. Unfortunately, a true democracy is not workable because of aggressive men’s greed for money and power and the laziness of the rest. Thus a socialistic utopia soon dissolves into a tyranny such as the United States is currently transitioning to. Federalism as outlined by the constitution has a mediator, the constitution itself and the Supreme court to judicially enforce it. and not legislate. All parts of laws are either all constitutional or to be considered all unconstitutional and not legislated by the Supreme Court. The problem we have seen arise is interpretation of the constitution and not enforcement of it by both the court and the executive branch.

      • Cashu

        Absolutely spot on!!!

        Cashu

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      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The reason for that is because the Supreme Court is part of the Federal Gang. As such, they rarely rule against Federal Laws no matter how UnConstitutional they are.
        The Supreme Court was not given the right to be the Final Arbiter of the Constitution — They just took it.
        “One of the most insightful of the Antifederalists was Robert Yates, a New York judge who, as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, withdrew because the convention was exceeding its instructions. Yates wrote as Brutus in the debates over the Constitution. Given his experience as a judge, his claim that the Supreme Court would become a source of almost unlimited federal over-reaching was particularly insightful”.
        http://mises.org/daily/2335

  • dan

    without the aspirations to exceptional achievment (being ones best)
    one need settle for mediocrity ,which , as some say ,is close enough for government work….but unacceptable to non-drones of the hive mentality.

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    And those who join with God, and those joined by God, Let No Man Put Asunder!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    I’m more inclined to believe that the chemical weapons attack was a false-flag event.
    http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/10-false-flags-that-changed-the-world/

    • JeffH

      Yes…is it real or is it Memorex?

      The banker’s and their cronies love war…they finance every dime of it and the good citizens must pay the incurred debt with interest…some with their hard earned dollars and some with the ultimate payment, their lives and their money.

      • Cashu

        As it serendipitously happens, I just watched a flick last night that embodies your post perfectly. While I consider Hollywood to be mindless entertainers at best and abject panderers for the left nearly 100 percent of the time at worst, occasionally they screw up and present a credible life lesson. Who’da thunk… ??

        The flick named, “The International,” (2009) with Clive Owen and Naomi Watts makes your point…

        Cashu

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        • JeffH

          Thanks Cashu, I’ll keep my eyes open for that movie.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            People gave you thumbs down for that?
            Unbelievable.

          • JeffH

            Sure, not just “people” but ignorant progressive people. There are certain parties trolling these pages whom I’ve had unpleasant exchanges with…most probably 666 & Dave47D and Jeff. It don’t mean squat to me though…I just consider the source.

  • BUD USMC

    Hey Mark,
    I think maybe you forget what it cost to protect a country on the other side of the world and some of our wars shouldn’t have been fought. Personally I think we spend way to much on foreign aid. Most of the countries we give aid to hate us more for it. It is easy to see where we are headed if we keep borrowing and spending. Hell look at Syria both sides fighting there are our enemy.
    If you and all the others that believe as you do and its so bad here why don’t you just pack up and leave all we would miss is a lot hot air.
    I believe this is the best place in the world to live but for us to survive we need to get back to our Constitution. LOVE GOD AND COUNTRY FAMILY AND THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS.

  • TML

    Chip says, “He denied that Syrian president Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against his own citizens. “No one doubts that poisoned gas was used in Syria,” Putin wrote. “But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons.” If you buy that one, he has a bridge is Vladivostok he’d like to sell you.”

    The goal of UN inspection team was to determine only if, and what, chemicals had been used; it was not there to determine who was responsible, so the UN inspection report blaming Assad is preconceived, and was more opinion than fact. Interestingly enough, Russia submitted 100 page report to the UN outlining evidence for the rebels being responsible, whereas the United States curiously declines to submit any of the supposed ‘clear’ evidence to the contrary. Such an attack would not have been beneficial to Assad in any way. Nothing logically or empirically points to that being the case, and frankly, even the so-called false flag is a possibility considering how gung-ho the US has been about rushing in, ever since Dragon Lady (Hillary) said he has to go. No, you’re an idiot if you believe it was the Syrian government under orders from Assad.

    Chip says, “The Russian near-dictator had the unmitigated gall to lecture his American audience on the subject, writing: “It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation.” And he concluded: “We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.”
    I doubt if Putin himself believes what he wrote in that final sentence any more than our own President really believes in American exceptionalism.”

    What is with this strawman? Putin’s statements were obviously in the context of believing that one is the exception to the rule of international law, or indeed, even ones own laws. You can have a false sense of some patriotic pride, and get a warm fuzzy feeling thinking we are better than the rest of the world, but that doesn’t mean that we have the right to attack another country (unilaterally from the international community) under the guise of an appeal to pity, because of an attack within their own country that violates international law (not our laws). To think otherwise, would be to support the United States acting as policemen of the world (imperialist policy) under the guise of exceptionalism and a false sense of patriotism. You’re religious claims (which were actually first brought forth by people such as John Locke) in defense of expecionalism is very dangerous.

    Chip says, “P.S. There was one more comment in Putin’s opinion piece that merits a rebuttal. He said, “No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations.”
    Wrong again, Mr. President. There are many of us who believe one of the greatest things we could do for freedom, peace and prosperity in the world is to get the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S. And our numbers are growing every day.”

    Not wrong. The United Nations was established to prevent war. Its jurisdiction is only between nations, not the internal policies of sovereign member nations. So are you advocating the US become a rogue state? The League of Nations failed to prevent a second world war. No one wants to see the United Nations suffer the same fate because of failing to do what it was designed to do, which is prevent a third world war. Quite frankly, I think freedom, peace, and prosperity in the world would be better served with allowing the UN to do what it was designed to do (although it could use some fixing, particularly regarding Chapter 7), especially in situations such as the illegal military and settler occupation of the West Bank which is a core cause of destabilization in the Middle East.

    • Cashu

      Are you nuts? In the whole piece, that last P.S. is the one that made the most sense. Even though he made some fantastic leaps of logic in the rest of the piece, Chip is exactly right on this one.

      A sovereign nation does not need the “guidance” of a world governing body. Disagree with the term “world governing body?” Have you ever heard of “Agenda 21?” Have you ever heard of “LOST?” Those are just two of a large number of intrusive global UN initiatives that a sovereign nation could bind itself with. And the left in the U.S. is doing everything they can to lull the American public to sleep so they can sign on without consequence to their political ambitions.

      Wilson tried to bind the U.S. with the League of Nations to “end all war.” Didn’t work. The United Nations was organized to do the same thing. Didn’t work. Then the New World Order crowd co-opted the U.N. for its purposes, and it has been morphed into a global control confederation run by the world banking elite for the purposes of binding all nations to the “higher ideal” of one world government.

      Who the hell in the U.S. in his right mind would want what the U.N. is trying to do to us now??

      I think it’s time you did just a little research BEFORE you run your mouth, trying to sound like you know what you’re talking about…

      Cashu

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      • TML

        Ideas of a one-world government should continue to be opposed, but not systems designed to prevent war. International law is consent-based governance between nations, and has no jurisdiction upon the internal policies of sovereign nations. A sovereign nation does not need the guidance of a world governing body in the regards to internal policy, but to say such a thing in regards to international relations, is to advocate the same anarchy of historical mistake which claims “might makes right”.

        There are some ‘enemies’ that would like to see things passed in the UN that are not authorized by its Charter, but that is exactly why security measures are in place (Security Council – whose 5 permanent members have absolute veto power). Your ideas of “Agenda 21” and other conspiracy theories of an elite few who might succeed in “taking over the world” are driven by paranoia more than any logical or real threat to the international community as a whole. I would be so bold as to say, no nation will vote away their own sovereignty.

        FYI, I have done extensive research on the issue of international law and the establishment of the UN. Perhaps you, who obviously haven’t, should start by reading the UN Charter, and applicable treaties of international law, before breaking out with your conspiracy theories that are driven by fear rather than understanding.

        • Cashu

          Look ‘em up. You’ll soon find how real they really are. The fact that you don’t think they’re worth your time to consider in no way obviates their existence or threat.

          Why are you here? You obviously do not believe in sovereignty of nations or the rights of individuals, and you obviously believe that nations AND THEIR CITIZENRY should be bound to the wishes AND MANDATES of a world governing body.

          You can say you don’t believe in those proposed binding international agreements all you want, but it only points out how pathetically ignorant or subversive you really are. I would venture to say that most here would totally disagree with you, just as I am.

          As just one more example of the real threat from the U.N., those of us who respect the bill of rights, especially the 2nd amendment, have been working diligently to dissuade Billary from signing on to a proposed U.N. agreement to limit personal firearms and ammunition, even though we understand it isn’t binding without congressional approval. We don’t want the camel’s nose under the edge of the tent because we know that the law of incrementalization will prevail.

          Now, if the U.N. is not a world governing body meddling in sovereign affairs, I’ll kiss your ass. And if you still have the mindless stupidity to insist they are figments of my imagination or paranoia in the face of all the evidence, you can kiss my ass.

          I suggest that, in lieu of actually learning where the bear crapped in the buckwheat on the ever-present threat that our elected representatives are trying to sell the county into bondage to an international organization, that you at least take your stupidity to a sympathetic site, such as the Daily Kos or MoveOn. Your ideal, Georgi Soros controls them both and would love to see a dedicated apparatchik like yourself make an appearance there.

          This site is to explore and explain personal freedom, national sovereignty and the liberty of the common man. You don’t seem to fit here…

          Cashu

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        • Cashu

          Look ‘em up. You’ll soon find how real they really are. The fact that you don’t think they’re worth your time to consider in no way obviates their existence or threat.

          Why are you here? You obviously do not believe in sovereignty of nations or the rights of individuals, and you obviously believe that nations AND THEIR CITIZENRY should be bound to the wishes AND MANDATES of a world governing body.

          You can say you don’t believe in those proposed binding international agreements all you want, but it only points out how pathetically ignorant or subversive you really are. I would venture to say that most here would totally disagree with you, just as I am.

          As just one more example of the real threat from the U.N., those of us who respect the bill of rights, especially the 2nd amendment, have been working diligently to dissuade Billary from signing on to a proposed U.N. agreement to limit personal firearms and ammunition, even though we understand it isn’t binding without congressional approval. We don’t want the camel’s nose under the edge of the tent because we know that the law of incrementalization will prevail.

          Now, if the U.N. is not a world governing body meddling in sovereign affairs, I’ll kiss your ass. And if you still have the mindless stupidity to insist they are figments of my imagination or paranoia in the face of all the evidence, you can kiss my ass.

          I suggest that, in lieu of actually learning where the bear crapped in the buckwheat on the ever-present threat that our elected representatives are trying to sell the county into bondage to an international organization, that you at least take your stupidity to a sympathetic site, such as the Daily Kos or MoveOn. Your ideal, Georgi Soros controls them both and would love to see a dedicated apparatchik like yourself make an appearance there.

          This site is to explore and explain personal freedom, national sovereignty and the liberty of the common man. You don’t seem to fit here…

          Cashu

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          • TML

            Cashu says, “Look ‘em up. You’ll soon find how real they really are. The fact that you don’t think they’re worth your time to consider in no way obviates their existence or threat.”

            I just acknowledged their existence. I simply don’t think that removing international law in a system designed to prevent war is the correct answer in opposing such attempts. And yes, Agenda 21 is just a conspiracy.

            Cashu says, “Why are you here? You obviously do not believe in sovereignty of nations or the rights of individuals, and you obviously believe that nations AND THEIR CITIZENRY should be bound to the wishes AND MANDATES of a world governing body.”

            You aren’t listening if that’s what you interpret from my comments, either that, you simply don’t understand what is the jurisdiction of international law as I stated several times now. I have explicitly cited that international law has no jurisdiction of internal policies of nations, but rather, relations between nations and thus not upon the rights of individuals. Talk about ignorant.

            Do you think a country – any country – has the right to commit acts of aggression against another? I don’t. Do you believe that the only rightful engagement of war is if in self-defense? I do. Do you believe in the natural right of self-determination of peoples? I do. Those are the things that international law entails, including the outlawing of acquisition of land through war or conquest.

            Cashu says, “You can say you don’t believe in those proposed binding international agreements all you want, but it only points out how pathetically ignorant or subversive you really are. I would venture to say that most here would totally disagree with you, just as I am.”

            Those unfamiliar with the true scope of international law might agree with you. But it isn’t subversive to point out that international law is consent-based governance. Take the 4th Geneva Convention for example… it is binding upon those nations who sign it, and has nothing to do with a violation of sovereignty of those nations, nor of the rights of individuals, rather, it respects them.

            Cashu says, “As just one more example of the real threat from the U.N., those of us who respect the bill of rights, especially the 2nd amendment, have been working diligently to dissuade Billary from signing on to a proposed U.N. agreement to limit personal firearms and ammunition, even though we understand it isn’t binding without congressional approval. We don’t want the camel’s nose under the edge of the tent because we know that the law of incrementalization will prevail.”

            I agree, hence I said; “There are some ‘enemies’ that would like to see things passed in the UN that are not authorized by its Charter, but that is exactly why security measures are in place”… indeed, this would include our Congress because it would require Congress to accept the treaty. I don’t see that happening and agree such things should be opposed.

            Cashu says, “Now, if the U.N. is not a world governing body meddling in sovereign affairs, I’ll kiss your ass. And if you still have the mindless stupidity to insist they are figments of my imagination or paranoia in the face of all the evidence, you can kiss my ass.”

            “Kiss my ass”… that’s an intelligent argument.

            Cashu says,”I suggest that, in lieu of actually learning where the bear crapped in the buckwheat on the ever-present threat that our elected representatives are trying to sell the county into bondage to an international organization, that you at least take your stupidity to a sympathetic site, such as the Daily Kos or MoveOn. Your ideal, Georgi Soros controls them both and would love to see a dedicated apparatchik like yourself make an appearance there.
            This site is to explore and explain personal freedom, national sovereignty and the liberty of the common man. You don’t seem to fit here…”

            The stupidity is yours as you resort to ad hominem and argument to ridicule rather than any logical argument.

          • Cashu

            The last resort of a liberal is to accuse racism, elitism or ad hominem.

            As for the rest of your “proof” that the U.N. is benign, you seem to have that simple belief common to most uninformed lefties: You think you can pick up a t*rd by the end that isn’t sh*tty. You can’t.

            And already I see you’ve begun to backpedal on your original assertions. Why don’t you just save us all a lot of time and admit you went off half-cocked. Those of us who know what is going on realize that the U.N. is not in the world’s best interest, much less the best interest of the U.S. The U.N. is all about world control. Helping sovereign nations maintain their sovereignty is not part of their agenda.

            And just where do you get the idea that our elected representatives have any right to bind the citizenry to any of the U.N.’s proposals, which then become binding on every individual U.S. citizen? Hmmmm?

            Where do you come from wanting our elected representatives to sign on to a U.N. mandate to eliminate personal weapons or ammunition, for example? Isn’t the primacy of the Bill of Rights important in your little world? Don’t you realize that if we become bound to the U.N.’s mandates, our bill of rights is subverted and becomes null?

            Do you use your noodle for anything but a hat rack?

            Take some time and educate yourself beyond the liberal talking points proposed by the liberal talking heads. This site is a very good place to start. All you have to do is shut up and read. Eventually, by osmosis if nothing else, you’ll absorb the tenets of real freedom…

            Cashu

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          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Here is just one example of UN meddling (which no doubt will go over TML’s head):
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/04/ben-oneill/happy-mother-earth-day-citizen/

          • TML

            If you had actually paid attention to what I’ve been saying rather than closing your ears because I disgree with your position of the United States needing to withdraw from the UN, then you would notice that I had acknowledged the fact that some people would like to use it for ill purposes, but instead mention the areas on who to fight such attempts; whether through Congress, or our elected President which appoints the UN officials which represent the United States in the international community. I’m guessing my point is simply above your own head.

          • Cashu

            Hey ODaveH, TML says you’re too stupid to follow an argument. Looks like you’ve got him down to sniveling in his beer now. He’s done; illogical assertions just don’t fly…

            Cashu

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          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Debating with TML isn’t a whole lot better than debating with Louis. Both of them just keep coming back with the same repetitive pie-eyed illogical comments ad infinitum.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, we get it, TML. You trust other people to run your life. And I think you are terribly naive.
            You can trust anybody you like but don’t push your naivete on me.

          • JeffH

            Bravo! That’s pretty much it in a nutshell.

          • KG

            quote: If this all sounds a bit mystical, that it because the philosophy of
            environmentalism is pure mysticism. The essence of the philosophy is
            that nature has inherent value – not value to any particular conscious
            beings, but value in and of itself – value divorced from any valuer. It
            rests on the fantasy that there can exist value without a valuer, will
            without a mind, desires and interests without consciousness, and
            representation without consent.

            So, i guess the author feels he has no inherent value either.

            Read Schopenhauer’s The World as Will and Representation

            Everything in the world (including YOU) is presented to your mind as an Object to a Subject. The whole world of objects is and remains representation and therefore wholly and forever determined by the subject

          • TML

            Wow, one long ad hominem without the slightest logical rebuttal. Genius

          • Cashu

            Cry baby… Didn’t think you had any logical answers to any real questions. Face it, your illogical defense of the indefensible isn’t going to fly here. Take it to Kos or MoveOver. They’ll love you there…

            Cashu

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          • TML

            I’ve made plenty of logical arguments that you have merely dismissed or ignored while screaming out insults. You didn’t even make a logical argument for which to provide the answer to, moron.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Argumentum ad Hominem.

          • Cashu

            And by the way, “…you can kiss my ass.” is a legitimate rejoinder. Those are fightin’ words where I come from. Take it for what it’s worth to you, azzhole.

            And, as far as accusing me of ad hominem attacks on you, I’m merely returning the favor. Reread your posts, you hypocrite…

          • TML

            Wrong, please point out to me where I personally attacked you before you began yours? You are obviously getting upset because you cannot logically defense your position without tales of doom and one world order and Agenda 21.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The UN is an agency that was set up By Leaders For Leaders. Not only are they a more Central Governing body than even our Federal Government, which by nature would remove them from the people they supposedly represent, but they are unelected officials who have no accountability to the voters at all.
          If you advocated the days of Kings and Serfs, then you will advocate the UN.
          Ten Reasons to Abolish the UN:
          http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/UN.pdf

          • Don 2

            The ‘United Nations of Dictators and Tyrants’ would be more appropriate.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            By nature, Leaders strive for more Power over their subjects:
            “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. Some governments, over time, evolved toward the rule of law, perhaps only because their rulers saw that this would sanction their own continued enjoyment of the wealth that they possessed. In some instances, this evolution involved one or more “revolutions” in which those who were governed were able to better establish the rule of law”.
            http://mises.org/daily/3427

          • Cashu

            My granddad used to say, “The more local the government, the better. The smaller the government, the better.” He went on to explain that the closer you kept government to you, the more knowledge of the your elected representatives you had, you had better control of your money that was spent by bureaucrats because they knew you were closely watching them, and the bigger the percentage of benefit you got from your tax dollar because you were better able to recognize and control waste and fraud. And the reverse is also true.

            If the U.S. federal government is so remote that we have little control over it, why the hell would we want to give power to the U.N., even more remote than the federal? And they aren’t accountable at the ballot box either. The way lies lunacy and stupidity…

            Cashu

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          • Nadzieja Batki

            Not so Cashu, the more local the government the more tribal and vicious it becomes. it always becomes who is able to manipulate, blackmail, terrorize, etc., the people in villages and towns.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I agree with Cashu on this one.
            There is no doubt that some local governments would indeed be oppressive, but they would be the minority.

          • Cashu

            You’re not right very often, but when you are, you’re brilliant (smile).

            Usually I don’t bother to read beyond the first paragraph of what you write, but I’m glad you were brief this time. Else I may have missed this moment of lucidity…

            Cashu

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          • TML

            I disagree, as I said, advocating the non-existence of international law, which was built upon many of the same principles of natural rights as our Constitution, would more advocate the days of Kings and Serfs when the only law was “Might makes Right”. The idea that it is by leaders for leaders is correct, since its jurisdiction is only between voluntary member nations regarding the use of military force, and has not – as I continue to point out – any jurisdiction over the internal policies of sovereign nations, nor its people.

            It is international law, the international community, that has swayed Obama’s imperialist, dictator principles of thinking he had some right to commit an act of aggression against a nation who has not attacked us (while hypocritically citing international law as justification). I don’t know about you, but I think that’s a good thing

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You think taxation without representation is a good thing?
            You think unelected officials passing laws is a good thing?
            What has the UN done to change that equation of when the only law was “Might makes Right”?
            What do you think military excursions are, TML — Gentle Persuasion?

            You need to read this book, TML, and get an idea what the roots of the UN were all about (politics of course):
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf

          • TML

            The UN officials which represent the United States are appointed by the President, the same way the Secretary of State or ambassadors are appointed, and we are not taxed directly by the UN, so I think the idea of it being “taxation without representation” is erroneous.

            And no international law is validly binding upon this nation without the consent of Congress, so it wouldn’t be unelected officials passing laws either.

            I just pointed out one instance of the UN, or international community, changing the equation of “might makes right” which Obama recently tried to undertake. In many instances though, the UN can’t do anything since it regards consent. For example, the UN and international community could step in to resolve the core problems that destabilize the Middle East (the illegal military and settler occupation of the West Bank by Israel) but such resolutions have been blocked by the United States; we actually prevented peace in this way, even though Israel is a voluntary member of the UN, and signer of the 4th Geneva Convention, yet disregards their voluntary agreements. Do you think that is right? The reason UN hasn’t been able to change such equations of Might Makes Right as I just described, is often the United States.

            Unilateral military excursions, that are no self-defense, are acts of aggression. Outlawed by international law, the UN Charter.

          • TML

            “You need to read this book, TML, and get an idea what the roots of the UN were all about (politics of course):”

            Ah yes, the mises anarchy institute again.

            Perhaps you should actually read the Charter, rather than some ideas of what the roots of the UN was supposedly really about.

            Preamble

            WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

            – to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
            – to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
            – to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
            – to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

            AND FOR THESE ENDS

            – to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and
            – to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and
            – to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and
            to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

            HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

            Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

            CHAPTER I: PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES
            Article 1
            The Purposes of the United Nations are:

            – To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
            – To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
            To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
            – To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, and my psychopathic brother would jump at the chance to tell you how good he is.
            By the way, you show your ignorance, TML, when you dismiss a book solely because it is provided in Free PDF form by Mises Institute.

          • Cashu

            Mises is one of the few websites I keep in my favorites. I check it every day, rarely missing. The capitalist philosophy there is the real truth. That’s why the liberal socialist progressive communists hate it so much…

            Cashu

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          • TML

            It’s not a dismissal of a book, I’ve done my research. I actually agree with mises on several issues, but not this one. I do not limit my research to mises as some people seem to do.

            Edit: I would also add; instead of simply linking a book, how about making a real argument from that book, citing a portion of it, etc…. to support your position and make an argument, instead of saying here, read this book.

            “Yes, and my psychopathic brother would jump at the chance to tell you how good he is.”

            Your position seems based on mere skepticism rather than any logical argument of facts.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            My position is based on the fact that psychopaths will tell you whatever you’re ignorant enough to believe.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “I would also add; instead of simply linking a book, how about making a real argument from that book”.
            Why do you care that I provide the readers with a chance to really understand a topic instead of spouting a few conjectural statements like you Liberal Progressives do?
            Are you jealous that I am so resourceful?

          • TML

            Your resources consist of only one source; mises. I wouldn’t call that resourceful. All they have to do to understand the topic is research it themselves; read the Charter, the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Convention, and applicable treaties. The conjecture is yours based only on skepticism and fear, as most Libertarian Anarchists like yourself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ignoramus, there are thousands of books and articles at Mises. I could make the same ignorant statement about your sources (if you ever provided any) — you’ve only provided one source, the World.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “Your resources consist of only one source”.
            What resources do you provide as evidence, TML, other than your flapping lips?

          • Cashu

            At this stage of the con, that is idealistic hogwash intended to persuade lesser intellects into thinking they are truly altruistic, something that is extremely laughable now, if they weren’t so damned murderously serious about enslaving the world to their one world government.

            You truly are ignorant if you think that original premise holds any water today. It ain’t the same animal these days; it’s now an even worse beast…

            Cashu

            (You poor, pathetic simpleton, TML… It must truly be bliss to be as ignorant as you are. (Now that’s ad hominem!! And I mean every word of it. What you have to say is simple progressive hogwash, nothing more… )

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          • TML

            “if they weren’t so damned murderously serious about enslaving the world to their one world government.”

            Can you back up that assertion with facts, in the midst of your continuous ad hominems? (the true sign of an ignorant simpleton that can’t support his arguments)

          • Cashu

            I don’t think anyone here could persuade you to think sanely or rationally. Lord knows we’ve been trying. But willful ignorance can’t be changed, and you’re the poster-boy for that. Sheesh.

            Kos and moveover are waiting. They love mindless automatons over there; you’ll fit right in, bud…

            Cashu

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          • TML

            Translation; you can not provide support for your assertion.

          • Cashu

            I’m an American. You want to be a world citizen. I get it. I’ll do everything I can to maintain unadulterated sovereignty for America. You, on the other hand, would be lock-step with Agenda 21, something you refuse to acknowledge. Here’s some reading for you:

            http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

            Note the date and note that it is a proposal. You’ll also find that it has been signed on to by a number of governments already. The only reason we haven’t become a signatory is the large number in this country who want to remain sovereign. Unlike you, they can see the hook in this bait. Read it and become a little less ignorant.

            http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

            Even some democraps are wising up about the U.N. Maybe they can influence you to begin some critical thinking, but I seriously doubt it.

            I’m getting more than a little tired of satisfying your craving for attention. Besides, I have work to do. See ya…

            Cashu

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          • TML

            Cashu says, “I’m an American. You want to be a world citizen. I get it.”

            Obviously you don’t; I’m a Texan American
            You are making many assumptions centered around what you think my motivations and attack my character without knowing anything about me. The very definition of the logical fallacy; ad hominem.

            Cashu says, “I’ll do everything I can to maintain unadulterated sovereignty for America. You, on the other hand, would be lock-step with Agenda 21, something you refuse to acknowledge. Here’s some reading for you:
            http://sustainabledevelopment….”

            As will I… I simply know the means for which to oppose abuses of such claimed Agenda’s. You have to keep in mind that the UN, and international law, has no jurisdiction over internal policies (the sovereignty) of member nations.

            Cashu says, “Note the date and note that it is a proposal. You’ll also find that it has been signed on to by a number of governments already. The only reason we haven’t become a signatory is the large number in this country who want to remain sovereign. Unlike you, they can see the hook in this bait. Read it and become a little less ignorant.
            http://www.democratsagainstuna…”

            As you point out, it’s simply a proposal, and rightly unsigned by the US. Which means that the claimed Agenda is not international law and of no affect except to those whom have voluntarily consented. You simply use it as a conspiracy theory to incite senseless fear. Is such a mere proposal a reason to dismiss an entire system which was designed to prevent war between nations? I think not. The ignorance, once again, is yours.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh, now he wants some support for Cashu’s assertion. But if Cashu provides support, he will rag on him for that and say something like — “I would also add; instead of simply linking a book, how about making a real argument from that book”.
            Bottom line — No amount of logic or facts will cause a Liberal Progressive to accede because they just don’t want to believe. You can lead a Donkey to water, but you can’t make it drink.

          • TML

            Ah yes, anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and makes a case, is a liberal progressive in your view DaveH. Talk about a tyrannical point of view.

            I have made logical arguments, supported by facts. You, and Cashu, have not. It would seem that no amount of logic or facts will cause an anarchist to understand the rule of law between nations, much less the rule of law within a sovereign nation, and be able to discern the difference between the two.

            And I see you decline to present any real arguments on this issue, again.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “I have made logical arguments, supported by facts”.
            What facts, TML? Have you supplied any evidence to back up your conjecture?
            You’re a legend in your own mind, TML.

          • TML

            The fact that international law is consent based governance.

            The fact that the jurisdiction of international law regards the relations/disputes between nations, and has no jurisdiction over internal policies of member nations.

            The fact that our Congress must pass any and all treaties or proposals for international law to be valid upon this nation.

            The fact that international law outlaws imperialism and colonialism, acquisition of land through war or conquest, and acts of aggression, while maintaining the natural right of self-determination of peoples, and protects human rights from harmful treatment by military powers.

            Just name a few….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML, For you to not comprehend that the same international bankers, who had been fighting for decades to foist a Central Bank on the US, and who finally succeeded with the Federal Reserve in 1913, would not love to institute a World Bank, is just plain ignorant. You have to live in a cave to be unaware of the devious nature of people in Power. And in fact, they do have a precursor of such a bank in the IMF.
            Leaders love to tax their people the hidden way (inflation), and it would be so much easier to create all that inflationary money if there was a World Central Bank. The only thing keeping them from it is that the Gangs are all looking out for themselves, and thus fear being outmaneuvered by the other Gangs.
            Mises has some excellent books on the subject of Money and Banking, but numbnuts doesn’t do Mises.

          • TML

            I am certainly not ignorant to those facts. However, my point regards international law between nations; not a world bank, or even a one-world government, which I explicitly said I was vehemently against (as I said, you are not considering all my statements). The devious nature of people in power exists within our own Constitutional Republic. No system is immune, but I believe it better to understand the workings of such a system (including that of international law which was founded on virtuous principles of natural rights and to prevent war) in order to fight such aspirations, without having to completely disembowel such a system.

            With the exception of your last sentence… Thank you btw, for at least a genuine response this time.

            And yes, Money and Banking is one of the issues I agree with mises on. You assume so much its baffling.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re double speaking, TML. Earlier you supported having an organization like the UN. What is International Law if not Government?
            You are naive, TML. If you really think the UN is virtuous, you need to study their past actions and inactions (like Rwanda). The Crony Capitalists love gullible people like yourself who won’t read anything contrary to their preferred beliefs.
            You could start by reading this:
            http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/UN.pdf
            “The UN is for war and genocide when its influential members are for it. It is for tyranny when its member are tyrants. It is for the oppression of women when enough of its members belong to a religion that believes women are inferior to men”.

          • TML

            I didn’t say the UN was virtuous, I said the principles on which it was based were virtuous (which were largely based upon the same principles as our founding documents) – as I pointed out in the Preamble, and Chapter 1.

            There’s no ‘double-speak’ about it. International law is consent-based governance between nations and has no jurisdiction upon the internal policies of sovereign member nations, and certainly has nothing to do with being a one-world government, or one world bank, although that may be the intentions of a minority (you might call them the elite few).

            No, I see Rwanda… just as clearly as I see Israel illegal military and settler occupation, and who is actually keeping the UN from handling the problem – those Crony Capitalist love to dismiss international law. I don’t let them.

          • TML

            http://frontpagemag.com/upload
            “The UN is for war and genocide when its influential members are for it. It is for tyranny when its member are tyrants. It is for the oppression of women when enough of its members belong to a religion that believes women are inferior to men”.

            That is Zionist propaganda. Not surprising coming from number one violator of international law in the world.
            Even the first couple of paragraphs shows the complete lack of knowledge surrounding the issue…

            “Soon after the anniversary of the massacre of three thousand American as decade ago, the United nations General Assembly will consider recognizing a Palestinian State. Even though the Gaza of the proposed state has a charter calling for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people”

            Hamas, is not the representatives of Palestinian people which would be recognized as the Palestinian government of such a state. The Palestinian state would be recognized under the Palestinian Authority, PLO, the already internationally recognized representatives of the Palestinians people.
            See the fear mongering BS you listen to?

            Shall I debunk every other claim and falsehood in your link, or do you get the point yet?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “That is Zionist propaganda”.
            Argumentum ad ridiculum.

          • TIME

            Dear tml,
            If your not ignorant of the UN or its Genesis, then whom was it that funded it again?
            Oh yea BANKERS, who lead the New World Order.
            Care to enlighten all with whom they are?
            Peace and Love.

          • TML

            There is more to it than just blaming bankers for funding; banks are just fine without the power to print the money, or engage in fractional reserve banking. That’s something for us to fix, even here in the United States. But it wasn’t just bankers that established the UN, it was 51 countries at the time of its ratification (by Congress), and now up to 192 sovereign member states acting in concert to uphold the principles of international law.

            I think it’s a bit bloated, and could use some fixing of course, just like our own country, but the recent event with Syria that seems to be resulting in Assad handing over chemical weapons to the international community is a good example of how it can work to avoid full scale wars, possibly with other super powers, that might otherwise be inevitable. Especially now days with Presidents who think they don’t even need permission from Congress to commit acts of aggression. .

            http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

            http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/index.shtml

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re getting boringly repetitive, TML. What are you, about 80?

          • TML

            You, of all people on this site are going to say I’m repetitive? LoL! And with your constant insults I would think your about 12. You’ve been boring since the beginning.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Wah. A Liberal Progressive is insulting me. How unusual.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Let me remind you, Numbnuts, you started the insults with this line — “Ah yes, the mises anarchy institute again”.

          • KG

            The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 had absolutely NOTHING to do with any kind of grand ‘conspiracy’ other than the fact of saving capitalism from it’s continual failures. I would post the several failures of capitalism, however, I know your propensity to rewrite history.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • TIME

            My Dear People,
            Please look into { Eustace Mullins } for more on all of what is being expressed here, such as FRA of 1913, the IRS, the UN, and all the special bovine waste mater of the New World Order. To include the Bush family,
            Please do keep in mind the Bush’s are no better than O’Bama or any of the CEO’s of the United States inc since the 1871 – With only a few exceptions such as, General Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy.
            Mr. Mullins covered it all first hand as a matter of fact much of what G. E. Griffon wrote about was based on Mr. Mullins work.
            Peace and Love,
            May you who believe allow the Holy Sprit into your SOUL so you can walk with Jesus Christ.

          • TIME

            Dear TML,
            We here in the Great State of Georgia have a monument to the very thinking of the founders of the UN.
            Its called the “””Georgia Guide Stones.”””
            Look it up some TIME to see what the TRUE Charter of the UN is.
            Oh its also called, The Sustainable Future, or Agenda 21, as well many other special as well colorful names.
            Peace and Love.

          • TML

            I’ve seen what you’re referring to, and there isn’t any substantiated proof that it was the ‘founders of the UN’ that created such a monstrosity against the principles of the Constitution, or international law (which was largely based upon the same natural rights as our Constitution)

          • Jeff

            The UN is far from perfect, but it has largely fulfilled its mandate which is to provide a place for nations to talk rather than wage war. There have certainly been wars since the founding of the UN (mostly involving us) but in comparison to the bloody years between 1914 and 1945, there’s not much comparison. No one (not even you) can prove a negative, but I believe the 2nd half of the 20th Century might well have been a lot more violent without the UN.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Jeff

            During the Cold War, do you really think there was no likelihood of war with the Soviets? For much of that time, the UN provided a release valve so we could scream at each other rather than drop bombs on each other. And I don’t think it’s fair to blame Viet Nam on the U.N. Neither LBJ nor Nixon was taking instructions from the UN in the conduct of that hideous war. Korea? Perhaps the UN was complicit, but what was the alternative? Had Truman simply allowed the North to occupy the South, the Republicans would have blamed him for “losing” South Korea as he “lost” China.
            Perhaps we just need to be smarter about the limits of our military. For the most part, I think we’re more cynical about military involvement since Viet Nam, the major exception having been Iraq. But the UN is not at fault for such conflicts. When W went to the UN for “resolutions,” that was window dressing. He decided we were going to occupy Iraq and he was going to say whatever it took to accomplish that goal.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re hoping and dreaming, Jeff.
            Don’t you think nations have always tried diplomacy first?
            Just as in personal relationships, there are disagreements between countries’ Gangs which get out of hand and lead to wars. As it stands now, the Gangs can join forces and pick on other countries which are less well-defended. But eventually they will run out of those options and turn on each other.

            Those people who would like to get a better understanding of why Governments are so prone to wars (especially the US and Great Britain) should read this book:
            http://mises.org/books/century.pdf
            Here is an excerpt from the book:
            http://mises.org/daily/2355

          • Jeff

            They didn’t in the lead up to WWI. And had there been such a forum pre-WWII, it’s possible (though unlikely) Hitler could have been stopped when he first violated the Treaty of Versailles. I know the UN is often dysfunctional and can be aggravating as Hell, but that doesn’t mean it makes things worse. The US Wars of the last 60 years were not enabled by the UN. Unfortunately, no one can prove how many potential wars have been averted by the UN’s providing a forum for negotiation.
            I don’t know if you’re one of them but a lot of people on these blogs are reflexively anti-UN because they believe we’re handing over sovereignty to it. This flies in the face of all evidence and is practically the definition of paranoia. The UN would have to hold its meetings in a parking lot without the U.S. There is about as much chance of the UN taking dominion over us as there is an invasion by the Canadians.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh please, Jeff. Maybe you should spend more time reading and less commenting so you know what you’re talking about.
            When the UN was created, Roosevelt got Stalin to join by ceding the unfortunate surrounding countries, which had already been trampled by Hitler, to Stalin’s dictatorial control.
            “When Roosevelt left Yalta he felt he had achieved a great
            victory. He got Russia into the United Nations and into the
            war in Asia. Stalin got into his hands territories with a population twice the size of Russia’s and the assurance that we would obliterate permanently both Germany and Japan”.
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf

          • TML

            When the UN was created following the 2nd World War, all the allied powers were carving up Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Yet, it was the principles of international law (self-determination / liberty) at the end of the Colonial era (colonization being outlawed through a long course of learning that it was a failed policy) that has led to the age of independence in all those territories. .

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Jeff

            At the end of the war, the Russians controlled Eastern Europe, including the Eastern portion of Germany. Not because FDR or the US wanted it that way but because the Red Army, after years of taking on the brunt of the Nazi War Machine, finally conquered Germany from the East at roughly the same time we came in from the West. Now, there are all kinds of conspiracy theories about this and who knows – there may even be a kernel of truth in some of them. But the USSR was not ceded any territory by the UN; the UN recognized the reality on the ground. If you think we’d have been better off during the Cold War without the UN, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

            Your sources are hardly the most reputable, consisting of people with paleoconservative views to the effect that we should have teamed up with the Nazis against the USSR. They may not say it outright, but saying the War was unnecessary (as Pat Buchanan does) is a pretty strong clue. As Churchill said of supporting a character as odious as Stalin, “If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Your sources are hardly the most reputable”.
            You aren’t reputable, Jeff. If you were you wouldn’t need to stoop so low as to slander good people. Please demonstrate that the scholars at Mises aren’t reputable.

            Jeff says — “consisting of people with paleoconservative views to the effect that we should have teamed up with the Nazis against the USSR”.
            You’re lying, Jeff. Your lips must be moving. Real Libertarians don’t get involved with other countries’ wars.

            You are one Creepy guy, Jeff.

          • Jeff

            Well, you ARE the resident expert on creepiness. I suppose you consider Pat Buchanan a scholar as well. He also argued we didn’t need to fight the Nazis.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What has Pat Buchanan got to do with anything, other than a diversion on your part? Obviously you couldn’t give me a straight answer you lying slanderer.

          • Jeff

            Well, CB, he was the conservative I mentioned in the post that elicited your latest creepy personal attack. I think conservatives who conclude we didn’t need to fight the Nazis are something less than intellectually honest. I suspect some of your Mises scholars fit into this category. If I am wrong, please let me know. The personal attacks are really unnecessary and only detract from whatever substantive claims you may want to make.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff said — “Your sources are hardly the most reputable, consisting of people with paleoconservative views to the effect that we should have teamed up with the Nazis against the USSR”.
            Pat Buchanan was an aside after your statement indicting my sources. And since I have never used Pat Buchanan in any of my comments, you can’t say he was one of my “sources”. You’re just a lying creepy baspoop, Jeff, like the typical Liberal Progressive. But then what else can we expect from a class of people who callously steal other people’s money?
            You’re a sick man, Jeff, and you proved it by calling me a name (CB) and then complaining about me personally attacking you.
            Sea Kelp.

          • Jeff

            You are incapable of intellectual give and take, Dave. You’re the equivalent of a Bible “scholar” who can only cite Biblical passages except your Bible is Mises. If your Mises scholars are not among the revisionist historians I mentioned (Pat Buchanan is just the most famous.), you could point out how. But calling me names is much more satisfying for you.

          • TML

            And many of the incidents of war since WWII could have been prevented by upholding international law. As I mentioned, one of the areas that could use some fixing is Chapter 7, under which the United States has conducted its imperialist policies repeatedly, while preventing peace by protecting Israel’s illegal military and settler occupation – a situation that the UN and international law were designed to solve.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If pigs could fly we would have to give up bacon.

            The reality is that unaccountable Government organizations don’t follow the rules. It’s the nature of the beast. You can hope and dream until the cows come home, but Big Government will continue to be as it has always been — Corrupt:
            “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. Some governments, over time, evolved toward the rule of law, perhaps only because their rulers saw that this would sanction their own continued enjoyment of the wealth that they possessed. In some instances, this evolution involved one or more “revolutions” in which those who were governed were able to better establish the rule of law”.
            http://mises.org/daily/3427

            You know, TML, I could excuse your ignorance of reality, given that we’ve all suffered massive propaganda, but I can’t excuse your repeated attempts to indoctrinate ignorant people with your feel-good nonsense.

          • TML

            Ignorance is not the greatest enemy of knowledge, it is the illusion of knowledge.

            According to the actions of our own government, even the elected government could be despotic. While I would absolutely support our representatives in the UN to be elected officials, they are in fact still accountable to the President, and Congress, and thus, to us. You seem to dismiss the fact that international law is not binding to citizens, but between consensual nations concerning international relations, particularly concerning the prevention of war. The concept of international law within its defined jurisdiction is not a bad thing, anymore than it would be to hold the principle that governments are instituted among men to secure natural rights, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed (that which you say is only feel-good nonsense).

            Your indoctrination by mises has led you to support total anarchy, even to the detriment of the rule of law.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “While I would absolutely support our representatives in the UN to be elected officials, they are in fact still accountable to the President, and Congress, and thus, to us”.
            Sure, TML, whatever you say. You have swallowed your pablum well.

          • TML

            Are you saying that the US representatives in the UN are not accountable to Congress or the President, or that you would not likewise support making such representatives accountable to the people through elections?

            Even you’re own link:

            “The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America invokes the self-evident truths that… …governments are formed to protect these rights and gain their just powers from the consent of the governed…

            To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. …

            The language of the Declaration should not be construed as an argument about the historical origins of government but, rather, as what would be true and just to an enlightened person…”

            And, it goes on to say…

            “The international law of secession [the natural right of self-determination] is in the process of emerging at this very time. The U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights indicates that all people have the right to a country. A corollary of this is that no people should long be kept in nationless status, e.g., the Palestinians.”

            It seems strange to cite these things in an argument against me, especially international law, when in fact, I am arguing for the rule of international law between nations to secure the rights of nations. The same as those nations should be established to secure the natural rights of it citizens. If Texas were to secede, for example, it would need recognition as an independent nation under international law by the international community (even the US might not have won their independence had it not been for the recognition by other nations).

            While you argue for revolution, anarchy; I argue for the rule of law even in the midst of secession, because as history has often shown (e.g. Napoleon, Lenin) revolution may only fill the void of one tyrant with another, even if it began on virtuous principles of natural right and liberty.

            So, go ahead and continue with the immature insults and pointless comments. That’s all you have to offer anyone on this site that doesn’t align with your narrow view of the world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m saying that the UN is an organization created By Leaders For Leaders. They do not represent us. They represent the Leaders. If they represented us, they would be at least elected by us. I say “at least” because even then they only represent those who voted for them.
            And I’m saying that the further Government gets from the people, the more difficult it is for the people to control them.
            I’m bored with this conversation, TML, and you really aren’t contributing anything worth more consideration, so I will let you have the last word — however inane it is.

          • Jana

            You are so right ODH, and we are no longer being represented by the ones who are SUPPOSED to be representing us now, the ones we did vote for, or at least some of us voted for. I certainly didn’t vote for most of the frauds in office. The ones I voted for outside of 2 did not make it.

          • TML

            The UN “leaders for leaders” is nothing more than any Secretary of State, diplomat, or ambassador that would be appointed by the President (or even the President himself) to handle foreign relations. The UN is simply a framework of law governing those relations between all member nations, and our Constitution is to govern those representatives.

            And I believe I already said that I would absolutely support making such appointees into elected officials, particularly in regards to the UN. But the best way to affect that change is through our state governments. They are the check on that distance from government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “Your indoctrination by mises has led you to support total anarchy, even to the detriment of the rule of law”.
            I use Mises because I have not read an article there yet that I could find to be fallacious. They are a trusted source of information.
            It’s interesting though, TML, that you have made at least two disparaging remarks about Mises just on this board — ad hominem attacks — instead of debating the issues. So you are skeptical of what the Mises Scholars, people who have no way or desire to control your life, have to say about things. But you will just take as Gospel the words of people in the UN who indeed have tremendous Power over ours and other peoples’ lives.
            Something just doesn’t seem quite right there.

          • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

            It is a corrupt cesspool of anti-freedom & anti-West…It is a farce, when countries like Cuba could be on Human Right Committees, or Saudi Arabia could be on Women’s Rights Comm, etc.. I wish Ron Paul had won in 2008, he said one of his first things would be to withdraw from UN, kick them out of NYC & save all that money.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That is purely conjecture and wishful thinking, Jeff. What do you think they’re going to say — “Yes, we the Leaders won’t be happy until we completely dominate the masses”?

        • TheOriginalDaveH
          • TML

            Upholding the principles on which international law was based isn’t naivety. It’s the no different than upholding the principles in our Constitution. While the reality, and the ideal are different in both cases, the former is no reason to abandon the latter.

    • Carlos

      Good comment TML, I, agree 100% if that means anything, After watching Assad being interviewed by Rep. Kucinich and Fox News Palkot I would choose to believe Assad. This Government headed by BHO is headed for disaster and another world war if we don’t clean up our act.

  • smilee

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”

    .It means that is what they believed but they had no word from GOD that he endowed them on anyone.

    “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of a divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor

    GOD gave us free will and in doing so HE does not interfere with our freedom to exercise it or to accept or reject it, that is what he bestowed on us and will judge us on that in the end. Of course statements like these are
    great and serve a useful purpose but they are the words of the authors and not GOD’s. The last sentence is a declaration of the authors intent and again nothing GOD has said. Because of our exercise of free will we have always had many collective bad decisions, slavery of the blacks, genocide of the native Americans, wars not fought for our protection from invaders, jim crow laws, discrimination etc. That has been the history of our exercising of our collective free will and it was not bestowed on us by GOD and very doubtful that it ever had his blessing.

    .” “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Take the 9th & 10th out of the Constitution and the states would still have
    the same rights as nothing in the original Constitution prohibits this, these
    were feel good amendments put in to help sell the ratification and bestowed no additional rights on the States, When the federal government is delegated the power it supersedes the power of the state on that issue. If the feds are not given the power or the Constitution denies a power to the states then and only then do the states then have the power on those issues to act. When the Constitution was ratified the states gave power to the feds to supersede their laws wherever that power was given the feds. This was never a concept that everyone agreed upon at the time or after and by the time of the Civil War days came it had reached the level of having to decide it through war and the states rights people lost and changes soon after in the Constitution took more rights away from the states and settled that issue but there are still those who wish to reduce the powers given the feds in the Constitution by many gimmicks. The Constitution laid out what the feds could
    do or not do in a very broad manner which many on here deny as an one recent example is Obamacare in that it was found by the courts to be supported by words in the original document written 1787 in that the courts found that the feds had the right to tax to provide for the general welfare thus allowing it to become the law of the land and many here say general welfare does not mean general as that is not what the founders meant, problem being though that is what they wrote and in doing so left it to future generations to more specifically define as the court has done. It also puts no restriction on the size of government only what they can do and not do. Obamacare is not small but it is Constitutional and the arguments of anyone to the contrary cannot change what the court ruled. They can attempt to defund it but they only have enough power to do that by denying any money for the government thus shutting it down as they do not have enough votes to change it only to obstruct it and that will be a first in our history, they do not have the ability to have what the founders had and that was the ability to compromise and without compromise this country would not have come into existence. Let’s hope they do not destroy this great country by their arrogance. We are exceptional because of our constitution
    but that does not mean we are a better people only that we are more fortunate and we should not be arrogant about it as that diminishes us.

  • flashy

    In his later years, Thomas Paine stated he formulated much of his book “The Rights of Man” in discussion with Jefferson and Lafayette. That book, and the ideas formulated within, ate instrumental in the thoughts which the Constitution is based. Paine discussed his use of Nature, and not.a religious deity. He credited Jefferson with the basic notion that religion has no place in the way Men should decide to have government or rule. “No religion is alike” stated Paine.” Few superstitions are .”.

    Creator does nit necessarily mean god. If it does, y’all realize Allah us Arabic for god. and since you insist there is only one god, Allah gave us our inherent rights and our “divine Providence”.

    • KG

      Mark 15:34
      And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

      Since Christ spoke Aramaic, what he actually said on the cross was “Allah, Allah lama sabachthani”.

      • Jana

        Sorry KG. He was actually speaking Galilean Aramaic which was his native tongue. He was also quoting Psalms 22:1. He was fulfilling prophecy. In fact if you would read Psalms 22 you will almost see the story of what is going on with Christ during his agony on the cross. He NEVER called out to the false god of allah.

        • TIME

          Dear Jana,
          Please don’t expect any form of enlightenment from kg, at best he is here only as a distraction.
          Peace and Love

          • Jana

            I don’t. He is even afraid to write out the name of our Father God YHVH.

        • KG

          I didn’t say he was calling out to the false god, I said the actual pronunciation of what the words were translated from were ‘Allah’ or possible ‘Ellah’ , but definitely NOT the latinised ‘eloi’.

          Besides, no matter what you call GAOTU, he’s still “G-D”.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Flashman says — “Thomas Paine stated he formulated much of his book “The Rights of Man” in discussion with Jefferson and Lafayette. That book, and the ideas formulated within, ate instrumental in the thoughts which the Constitution is based”.
      “Rights of Man” was written in 1791, so how could it have been instrumental in the thoughts on which the Constitution is based?

  • $8012302

    The original declaration was from the people, colonies, to the king and English parliament. We, the people of the several states, again need to use the same document readdressed to Obama and both houses of congress to restate the people’s position and intent to regain our freedom as originally written in the constitution and repeal all federal laws not written in that original document. Regain our government, elect all new representatives and return control of the senate back to the governors of the states so the states regain their individual powers. Repeal all changes to the constitution that moved power from the states to the feds. Appoint new Supreme court judges selected but the states and make all circuit federal judges electable and not appointed. Reduce the powers of the feds to that as specifically stated and their activities that is specifically not assigned to the fed but to the states. All laws signed by the president must be ratified by 2/3 of the states before implementation. The people need their power returned and the feds’ become our servants again. Make all politicians, citizens and federal employees accountable to the same laws with exemption. Dissolve all the tyrannical executive department agencies that the president uses as judge, jury and jailer to control every aspect of the people’s lives.

  • Alex

    What you mean is “American Infectualism”.

    We ARE exceptional, I suppose, if one considers being the only country to ever drop atomic bombs on sleeping children exceptional, or if one marvels at the unique speed in which our forebears subdued an entire continent, using Genocide, Forced Labor, and Ethnic Cleansing to create the most Evil Empire that has ever existed.

    Also, President Obama was correct in stating that the “the British believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” There is nothing wrong with that statement, not at all. The problems lies in the US being the Kardashian of nations, always checking herself in the mirror, always fishing for compliments.

    Also—forget anything Tom Jefferson had to say about “all men {being} created equal”—HE certainly did not believe that, not at all–he traded people like wheelbarrows, even raping his own slaves to create children he was then free to sell. What a pig….

    • JeffH

      Alex is prime example of the exceptionalism of the ignorant progressives.
      It’s true and Alex is the poster boy for…”ya just can’t fix stupid”.

      • TIME

        Dear Jeff,
        LMAO..
        Peace and Love

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Odd, that our would-be Liberal Progressive enslavers dwell so much on other people’s past slavery. Projection?

      The truth about Jefferson’s slaves:
      http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-slavery
      http://www.monticello.org/slavery-at-monticello

      Alex says — “even raping his own slaves to create children he was then free to sell”.
      What Monitcello has to say about that:
      http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account

    • marco

      Hey Alex,, I guess you never heard of Dec 7 1941,,, the Japs
      attack the US Navy Base in Hawaii,, it took us a while but we defeated them,,,
      but they would not surrender,,, it was estimated it would cost us a million causalities
      to invade Japan,,, so we dropped the bomb on them,, they still would not
      surrender so we dropped another one,,, and then we stayed there and rebuilt the
      country,, and gave them their freedom,,, the Japs wanted to team up with Hitler
      and enslave the US and the world,,,, they had no intention of rebuilding the US
      or giving us our freedom,,, and that,,,, in my opinion,, is exceptional,, yes,
      we had slavery and it was wrong,, so guess what we did,, we fought a civil war
      and ended it,,, there is still slavery in other parts of the world that has not
      be fixed,, so yeah,, we are exceptional,, if you’re not that is your problem,,
      and if you’re not happy,,,, move.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Japan was our ally in WWI. Franklin Roosevelt provoked them purposely to get us into WWII:
        http://mises.org/daily/6312/FDRs-Pacific-War-Before-Pearl-Harbor
        There is no excuse for the US to use such a horrible weapon, killing innocent civilians in the process. Period.
        The Civil War was not fought to end slavery. It was fought because Abe Lincoln wanted to subjugate the South and force them to be part of a Union they no longer wanted to be part of:
        http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=207
        http://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Unmasked-Youre-Supposed-Dishonest/dp/0307338428/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379712726&sr=8-1&keywords=lincoln+unmasked

        • marco

          So,, Dave H what your saying you would rather see the estimate one million US causalities to invade Japan,,, interesting,,, I see you have never talked to any WWII vets,,, I use to know several, they are all dead now,, but they were in favor of the bomb,,, we did not start that war they did,,, you can walk into any book store and find a hundred books on the civil way and each one will give a different reason for fighting the war,, so pick the one you like.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Marco, I didn’t say that at all. We had no business messing with Japan in the first place. And please don’t bore me with the excuse that they attacked Pearl Harbor until you’ve done some real reading about the incident.
            Here for example:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Percy%20L%20Greaves,%20Jr/Pearl%20Harbor%20The%20Seeds%20and%20Fruits%20of%20Infamy.pdf

          • marco

            Well Dave,,, I see you have read your first book,, that’s nice,,,
            now for your next one take a college course on writing, and they will teach you
            that if you want to be a writer you have to come up with something different,
            if you writ the same old things everyone else has been writing your book won’t
            sell and you will have to find some other way to make a living,,, and that is
            the only reason we have some many new books coming out each year on the same
            old subjects, WWI, WWII, Civil War, Rome, Kennedy, Lincoln, etc. etc. so like I
            said, go in any book store and you can find “the real truth”,,,, “what really
            happened”,, “the inside story”,,, “ the new evidence”,,,, take you pick,,,
            sorry for some old guy like me to bore someone like your self.
            I’m still glad I’m an American,, I’m retired from the US Navy, and I still think America is (or can be again) exceptional.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            LOL. A guy with atrocious grammar lecturing me on my writing skills.

    • speedle24

      Alex I really hate to reduce myself to name calling, but your comments (whether you actually believe them or not) make me ill. Your gross ignorance (fueled I assume by basic stupidity) is amazing for someone educated enough to actually put sentences together. The thing is your critical thinking and logic is on a par with a South Chicago gangbanger. You simply have no idea what is meant by “American Exceptionalism”.

    • Stephen Lawson

      So, you are clearly an anarchist and if I were to guess, no more than 30 years old. Whatever the case, you are as passionate as I am about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do not forget what you are passionate about and if you can see a more noble pursuit and a more effective means to achieve it, this is the place to make an elevating statement. The world is your stage and we await in eager anticipation.

  • janna

    the constitution was written by enlightened men who still lived in an age of highly religious societies
    the founding fathers themselves were not religious
    however even today an atheist could not get elected president
    therefore I make this statement
    I fear no God because there is no God
    but by God I sure do fear his/her messengers

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      Janna says: “the founding fathers themselves were not religious”

      And HOW do you know that, Janna? They personally told you about their religiosity and their faith?

      The FACT: Over 250 individuals are historically considered Founding Fathers (e.g., the signers of the Declaration, the signers of the Constitution, the framers of the Bill of Rights, leading state governors and generals in the Revolution, etc.)

      29 of the 56 signers of the Declaration held what are today considered seminary or Bible school degrees, and many others of the signers were bold and outspoken in their personal Christian faith.

      Significantly, not one of the Founding Fathers was secular in his orientation; even Thomas Paine (certainly the least religious of the Founders) openly acknowledged God and announced his belief in his personal accountability to God, and he also directly advocated teaching creationism in the public school classroom. (see “Thomas Paine Criticizes the Current Public School Science Curriculum”)
      http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=100766#Top

      • KG

        In short, many conservative Christians and politicians are re-writing history (it is an ongoing process on their part) in order to “prove” their claim that most (if not all) of America’s “Founding Fathers” were evangelical Christians.

        http://www.wallofseparation.us/founding-fathers/

        • Stephen Lawson

          All they did was apply the simple Christian principles of their faith. Don’t forget the Bible at that time was the most published and read book, for many perhaps the only book available.

          • KG

            Like these?

            Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life…
            — Leviticus 25:44-46

            In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you.
            — Deuteronomy 20:16-17

            or perhaps these?

            Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished(raped); half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

            The LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take for yourself an adulterous wife and unfaithful children…”
            — Hosea 1:2

          • Stephen Lawson

            You clearly have no understanding of the Bible and this is not the forum in which to educate you even if you were sincerely interested in learning how to understand and apply these writings in the context in which they were written.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Stephen, you are wrong.

            His job is to distort and twist the Scripture because

            “[He is] of [his] father the devil, and the DESIRES OF [HIS] FATHER [HE] WANTS TO DO. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

            He simply is a Satan’s bastard.

          • Stephen Lawson

            Apparently you know him better than I do. I will not lower myself to senseless debates or vulgar language. The Bible is a spiritual book and can only be understood by spiritual people. All others are in metal darkness. Peace.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            ““Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits … every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:15)

            So, the KG’s “fruits” are LIES, DECEITS & DISTORTIONS

            “Beloved, DO NOT believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” (1John 4:1)

            “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to DECEIVING spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS 2 speaking LIES in HYPOCRISY, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron” (1Timothy 4:1)

            Just remember that “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

          • Stephen Lawson

            I am an old man and have seen many things in my days. I have lost a number of close friends who lived to be 100 years old. One thing we were slow to do was pass judgement on another, because the scriptures clearly state God reserves judgement to Himself. So, clearly we need to exercise caution and discernment is these last days so as to safeguard to our own souls. But rest assured, nothing escapes the eyes of the Almighty and He Himself will prove to be our vindication. The sheep will surely be separated from the goats, but that is not our work to do. We merely need to sound the trumpet as in the days of Jericho and watch as the Almighty sends His heavenly host to avenge the sins of the world. Peace

          • Karolyn

            Spoken like a true Christian – not one who uses the Bible as a bat to batter people with.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            No one has to batter you. You do it very good by yourself by your Pervert Mentality and depravity which you are supporting and advocating.

          • Bob666

            And no one has to batter a worn out old commie windbag without a country.

            I could call you a depraved old propaganda pervert-but to you, that would be a strength and a compliment.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Yo Yo Moron, except parroting and plagiarizing you NEVER could articulately one sentence coherently.

            So, Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13 generation out of 14

          • Jana

            Karolyn,
            I am not using God’s Word to hit anyone over the head with. When you love someone you don’t lie to them, you tell them the truth.
            The Bible tells us to love our enemies. (I don’t consider you an enemy by the way). If you really love your enemy you will tell them the truth, not lie to them. Sometimes its hard to tell someone a truth when they would rather hear a lie.
            People like to be coddled and sometimes the truth really hurts.

          • Jana

            Maybe so, but there are others on this board that are seeking the truth, therefore i feel they do deserve an answer. Therefore, I strive to provide one. We must each do what we think is right.
            Blessings.

          • KG

            Are you the one I had that conversation about homosexuality?

          • Jana

            I don’t remember. But now you know where I stand on that point too. WITH GOD AND HIS WORD!
            By the way KG you can almost teach the Book of Revelation from Zechariah. The Old Testament verifies the New Testament.

          • KG

            So David and Jonathan were just ‘good friends’? How many friends do you strip for?

            And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
            — 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4, KJV

          • Jana

            oh yes, we did have this conversation and I proved you wrong on this already. It is too bad you cannot learn and do not want to learn the TRUTH.

            Why do you even bother to quote the Word of God when you really don’t believe it?

            Answer, Because you like to twist an confuse.

            You are judgmental when don’t have the wisdom to rightly divide the word of God.————–

            2 Tim 2:15-17
            Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
            16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
            17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: KJV

            When you misuse God’s Word it is profane babblings!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            KG – the wolf in the sheep’s clothing.
            You again came with your DISTORTIONS !!!

            Again you are practicing deception by using CONTEXTOMY and twisting the meaning.

            You took two passages (1Samue 18 1-4 and 1:26) from the homosexual Website (www.gaychristian101.com), which deceptively and misleadingly are used by the PERVERT and DEPRAVED to justify their fleshy LUST.

            In the original Hebrew Bible noun AHAVAH (love) is used to show:

            1) PLATONIC LOVE – Strong friendship (not fleshy LUST!)
            “3 Then Yonatan and Dovid made a brit (covenant), because of the AHAVAH (love) he had for him as his own nefesh (SOUL).” (Shmuel Alef 18:3 – OJB) (1Samuel 20:17)

            “…he loved him with the AHAVAT (love) nafsho (with the love of his own nefesh [SOUL]).” (Shmuel Alef 20:17 – Orthodox Jewish Bible) (1Samuel 20:17)

            ***KG, the “SOUL” is not “BODY”.

            2) Love of Mercy:
            “8He has shown you, O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you But to do justly, to LOVE mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:8 – NJV)

            “8 He hath showed thee, O adam (man), what is tov. And what doth Hashem (LORD) require of thee, but to do mishpat, and AHAVAT chesed, and to walk humbly with Eloheicha?” (Michoh 6:8 – OJB)

            3) God’s UNCONDITIONAL LOVE (AGAPE) for the world

            “16 For Hashem (God) so had AHAVAH (Greek agape) for the Olam Hazeh that Hashem gave the matanah (gift of life)” (Yochanan 3:16 – OJB) (John 3:16 – NKJV)

            “16 For God so LOVED the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16 – NKJV)

            4) It also used as a Figurative form of speech(a rhetorical figure of speech is the use of a word or words diverging from its usual meaning.)

            “Hatred stirs up strife, but LOVE covers all sins” (Proverb 10:12 – NKJV)

            “12 Sin’ah (hatred) stirreth up medanim (dissensions), but AHAVAH covereth all peysha’im.” (Mishle 10:12 – OJB)

            “4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love (AHAVAH).” (Song of Solomon 2:4 – NKJV)

            5) God’s love for His people

            “11Then Hiram king of Tyre answered in writing, which he sent to Solomon: Because the LORD loves (AHAVAH) His people, He has made you king over them.” (2 Chronicles 2:11 – NKJV)

            So, KG, here is your passage, which is about PLATONIC LOVE, which is an affectionate relationship WITHOUT
            SEXUAL INTIMACY; a SPIRITUAL AFFECTION (Please read Plato’s dialogue the Symposium to better understand the original sense of the term Platonic Love)

            STOP LIE and DISTORT the Scripture. R E P E N T !!!

            “You SHALL NOT lie with a male AS WITH a woman; IT IS AN ABOMINATION…But YOU SHALL KEEP MY STATUTES AND MY RULES AND DO NONE OF THESE ABOMINATIONS, either the native or the stranger, who sojourns among you…So keep My charge NEVER TO PRACTICE ANY OF THESE ABOMINABLE CUSTOMS”
            (Leviticus 18:22-30)

          • KG

            Alondra, please tell me ONE SIN that Christ DID NOT DIE for?

            Romans 5:19-21
            King James Version (KJV)
            19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
            20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
            21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            For NOT REPENTANCE!!!

            From the beginning of His ministry Jesus Christ preached “REPENTANCE”:

            REPENT, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 4:17)

            “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. REPENT, and believe in the gospel.” – Jesus Christ (Mark 1:15)

            “…but UNLESS you REPENT, you will ALL likewise perish.” – Jesus Christ (Luke 13:3)

            “…REPENTANCE and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” – Jesus Christ (Luke 24:47)

            “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that REPENTANCE and REMISSION OF SINS should be preached in His name to ALL nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” – Jesus Christ (Luke 24:46, 47)

            Christ’s apostles Peter and Paul preached REPENTANCE as well:

            REPENT, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION OF YOUR SINS and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” – Apostle Peter (Acts 2:38)

            “God exalted Him [Jesus Christ] at His right hand as Leader and Savior, to give REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS of sins. – Apostle Peter (Acts 5:31)

            “And the times of this ignorance GOD winked at; but
            now COMMANDS ALL MEN everywhere to REPENT, because He has appointed a day, in which He will JUDGE the world in righteousness by that Man…”
            – Apostle Paul (Acts 17:30)

            The Easton’s 1897 Bible Dictionary:

            The true “REPENTANCE” means to change one’s heart and mind, as the result of cognition and knowledge of God.

            The self-conscience and only self-conscience brings the TRUE REPENTANCE, which is the TRUE DEEP SENSE of one’s own guilt for a VIOLATION of God’s HOLY LAW and relinquishment of any wrong doing or any ill practice, that OFFENDS AND DISHONOR God.

            KG, Stop to distort and twist the God’s Word.

            KG, R E P E N T !!!

          • KG

            2 Corinthians 12:7-10
            King James Version (KJV)
            7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
            8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
            9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
            10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

          • Jana

            KG, Do you have any idea who it was that had this thorn in his flesh or what it might have been?

            And in Romans 5: 19-21 Do you understand what the Bible is talking about? Esp.

            21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

            If sin reigns unto death it is too late. Do you comprehend this? Jesus died on the cross so you could have eternal life, this is the GRACE that is being talked about. You still have a chance if you turn from your wicked ways. We all have to do this. Not one of us is good or righteous, for all of us have sinned. This is one of the salvation scriptures that YOU have presented.

          • KG

            Romans 13:13-14
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
            14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

            As a human being, it is impossible for me to remain ‘sinless’. The desires of the flesh need to be satiated, but in the spirit of Christ. If I am hungry, I must eat, and to eat I need to steal sustenance from someone else. If I am aroused sexually, I need to have a companion to express my fleshly desire. If I am cold, I must have shelter, or steal shelter from some other human being.

            However, Christ already knows that. That’s why Salvation is through Grace instead of works.

            Ephesians 2:4-9
            King James Version (KJV)
            4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
            5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
            6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
            7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

          • Jana

            Yes KG it is impossible to remain sinless, that is why we pray and REPENT daily up to 70 times 7 each and every day.
            You have head knowledge of the scriptures but when you open your mouth (so to speak) it doesn’t come out. You sound more like a Socialist and a Communist (Unions are your god) than THE ONE TRUE GOD YHVH being your GOD. You can’t even write out HIS name unless it is copying it as above. Are you ashamed of HIM?

            This head knowledge of the scriptures is good but you don’t comprehend what they even mean. You twist them for YOUR purpose, not for what God means them to be.

          • Jana

            KG, God is always fair, no matter how you try to portray Him as unfair. All you do is bring about confusion, to yourself and to others if you can. You are judgmental when don’t have the wisdom to rightly divide the word of God.————–
            2 Tim 2:15-17 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: KJV
            When you misuse God’s Word it is profane babblings!
            You brought up:
            Lev 25:44-46

            44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

            45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

            46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.———————–

            The Israelites would sell themselves into bondage when they needed money or went into heavy debt. God did not want them doing this any more. God made a way
            for them to be released every 7 years so they could start over and try again.
            Knowing though, that the Israelites would need workers or slaves, and there was always someone willing to sell themselves into bondage for a paycheck of some
            kind,(not unlike we do today) God told them to use the people in the surrounding cities and villages. However HE warned them NOT to make unto them any of their graven images or worship any of their false gods.Instead, the Israelite’s were to introduce them to God, so they could be blessed.—————–

            Lev 25:55-26:1-4
            55 For unto me the children of Israel are servants; they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
            26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow
            down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.
            2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
            3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my Commandments, and do them;
            4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase,and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.————————–
            Makes sense now! Actually God would honor us here in the United States the same way if we would still honor Him that way today. He used to take care of us but too many have decided that we don’t need Him any more.

            Then you bring up,

            Deut 20:16-18
            16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
            17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites;
            as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
            18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.————————

            Poor OLD FORGETFUL KGB. Remember we have gone over this before. See verse18.! This is why God told the Israelites to destroy them. One more thing. They also were neighbors of Soddom and Gomorrah
            and participated in their vile acts, that they were destroyed for. GOD DID NOT FORGET. Man forgets, God does not and God sees it all and, God knows their
            hearts.
            Now to:
            Zech 14:1-3
            1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
            2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
            3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.———-

            KGB This day has not come yet. This day is a prophecy as to what is to come. This is at the 7th Trump
            the day of the Millennium. ————-

            As for your last reference in Hosea read all of chapter 1. God was upset with Israel. They had worshipped false gods and to the One True God that is the same as spiritual adultery, so God scattered them. But God was making a promise to provide a way to make them (the Israelite s) His people again. AGAIN REMEMBER WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT GOD IS ALWAYS
            FAIR AND JUST!

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    BREAKING NEWS

    House passes spending bill to defund Obamacare:
    “The 230-189 vote, which split almost exactly along party lines, is the precursor to the big action next week, when the Democratic majority in the Senate is expected to strip out the health care provisions and send the bill back to the House — where Republicans will have to decide whether they can accept it at that point.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/20/house-passes-spending-bill-defund-obamacare/

    • Cashu

      Another exercise in futility. However, each attempt that fails keeps the issue firmly in front of the nation’s eyes. The one thing the democraps want is to see the opposition give up so the controversy will fade into the memory hole.

      Doubtless nothing will change in the gridlock until both houses are controlled by one party. Pray it is the idealistically-flawed repuglicons rather than the demonic slave-master democraps…

      Cashu

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    • TIME

      Dear Alondra,
      Please give a listen to, Pastor Lindsay Williams on this topic for details that many are not aware of. I know you have been here a while so I am sure you have seen where I have said the same things but its well worth the TIME for everyone to watch and listen to Pastor Williams.
      { The Elite Emergency Data, Alternative }
      This may well still be hanging on the Before its news sight.
      Peace and Love

      • KG

        WOW a preacher for oil companies! That’s a new one. As well as selling Gold for the ‘inevitable collapse’. I’m sorry to tell you but you can’t eat gold.

        Matthew 24:23-24
        King James Version (KJV)
        23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
        24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

        I’m not fooled!

        • hippybiker

          Even Satan believes in God. Just ask him. And, he will quote scripture also.

          • TIME

            Dear Hip,
            My friend, that’s bloody well true, after all Lucifer was GOD’s special watcher, who betrayed GOD.
            So the Follower’s of Lucifer know word for word what was written by GOD’s divine hand.
            Peace and Love be with you.

        • TIME

          Dear kg,
          Strange things happen.
          Just as Pastor William’s has a 100% record of being correct.
          But why let that get in the way of more bovine waste matter from you.

          • KG

            Yea – 100% right in cashing your checks.

        • Jana

          You are fooled all the time, you just aren’t smart enough to know it.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jana, he knows exactly what he does – sons of Devil and the DESIRES OF THEIR FATHER THEY DO. (John
            8:44)

            “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (2Samuel 3:39)

          • KG

            Tell me, why didn’t anybody recognize Christ when He arose from the dead?

            If you can figure out that one, I may take into consideration what you say.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Because you recognized anti-Christ and worshiping him.
            R E P E N T !!!

          • KG

            I don’t worship anything other than GAOTU.

            If you could tell me why nobody recognized Christ when he arose from the dead? It’s a simple question.

          • Jana

            AnyTHING????? tHIS SHOWS YOU CERTAINLY DON’T WORSHIP GOD!
            You can’t even write out the name of GOD, what are you afraid of? You don’t even understand His letters to us you are so confused. You are a SOCIALIST. Socialists remove God from their society. You are one very very confused pathetic little man. The sad part of it all is you are blinded to this fact.

            This is your choice, but don’t try to sell your distorted propaganda and bring others down with you. There are those of us on this site that knows what you are, but then there are those that don’t. As long as one of us is on when you are you will keep on being shown for the inept person you are. Ha, and in an earlier post you called me stupid!
            1stu·pid adjective ˈstü-pəd, ˈstyü-

            : not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things

            Yep, sounds like KG alright! You are shown over and over and over what the Bible actually says but you still can’t learn it. You have been shown that you are wrong in your claims of how unfair God is but you have been PROVEN WRONG.
            When you quote the Bible do a little research and try and find out what the Bible is actually saying. you might be enlightened. then again YOU may not, knowing you.

          • Jana

            Because it was not time yet.

    • StinkBomb Jones

      To all God Fearing Christians, I urge you to check out “MEDI-SHARE” which has been around for 20 years & is not health insurance but is a CO-OP sort of that gives one an exemption to ObummerCare & also gives one great coverage & even if you don’t ever use it you are helping fellow Brothers & Sisters in Christ.

      Google: Christian Care Ministry or Medi-Share

      • KG

        Insurance companies primary purpose is to collect premiums , not pay claims.

        • StinkBomb Jones

          This is not insurance & if you are a follower of Christ I highly recommend it. Also, your money will not go to fund abortions or other such darkness! Also, the monthly share (not premiums) are very low.

          As I said if God blesses you & you never have to use it, you are still helping others, so it is basically a tithe.

          Tell ‘em StinkBomb sent ‘ya!!

          • KG

            Oh, so it’s a ponzi scheme. Thanks for telling everyone. I wonder what kind of car the owner drives?

          • StinkBomb Jones

            No, Ponzi Scheme at all, just celebrated its 20th year & not a single complaint…if you bring someone in you do get a one time bonus of $100. Those who run it are very devout & spiritual souls & would never commit such a fraud. As a matter of fact, there are 2 other Christian ones like it, “Altrua” is one, but they were not as good to me.

            This is what like-minded people need to do to overcome the insurance vultures & their cohorts & co-conspirators in Congress. Band together & pool resources!

        • Stephen Lawson

          Now that is true and one my many arguments for defunding Obamacare.

          • KG

            How many legitimate claims have been denied by Medicare?

    • Dolly Dagger

      God Bless any DEM that had the balls to cross their FearFul & Confused Dear Leader!!!

  • Jim

    Sadly you might have more success talking about why the United States WAS exceptional.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    The Insanity of the Liberal “education”

    Slave RE-ENACTMENT during school trip enrages parents
    A Hartford, Connecticut school is receiving complaints from parents after a controversial field trip where students performed a slavery re-enactment.
    http://news.msn.com/videos/?ap=True&videoid=a6f61200-2215-5700-8594-56be104f4c7d

    P.S. WHO ARE RACISTS???

  • vicki

    It was not exactly a rejection of God’s representatives on earth because we are ALL representatives of God. It was a rejection of people who would claim that they alone had the divine right of kings. That for some reason (usually only known by them) God selected them to control us, for our own good of course.

  • Carlos

    We are as a country very exceptional, This country in the beginning was formed on the basis of a God Fearing free nation, “freedom from oppression” This lasted until 1992 then started to slide into the jaws of Socialism, slowly for a few years then in 2008 jumped into the lake of fire. We handed the reigns over to a man few people knew or recognized, Now we are at the brink of losing it all. We are divided between a social welfare nation and a shaky Republic. Not good.

  • Jeff

    To those of us who actually witnessed part of the 20th Century, the Federal Government has been the actual guarantor of individual rights for millions of people. That’s not to say they don’t sometimes get it wrong (Japanese internment, Viet Nam, War on Drugs), but it has been the Federal Government (Congress, the President, and the Courts) that have freed people from the ravages of unrestrained capitalism, from crushing poverty, from Jim Crow laws, from poverty in old age, from law enforcement uninterested in the protections of the Bill of Rights, etc., etc.

    America is exceptional for a number of reasons, among them its founding. But it’s easier to say God is the foundation of your rights than to have Him enforce them. For that, you’d better go to Federal Court. Obama has recognized American Exceptionalism more than any other president, declaring at the time of his election, “In no other country is my story even possible.” The problem with the concept of American Exceptionalism, like the concept of patriotism, is that it gets commandeered by Neocons and other right wingers to mean:

    1. We’re exceptional because we’re the biggest and the baddest.
    2. International rules and norms don’t apply to us.
    3. We don’t need anybody’s approval or counsel before acting.

    • KG

      quote:But it’s easier to say God is the foundation of your rights than to have Him enforce them.

      This is the best quote I have ever heard regarding G-d and Government. Indeed, the Jews were free to practice Judaism in Nazi Germany.

      • FRIPPERY

        Do you mean the Jews could do their prayers while waiting on line to be shot or gassed or burned?

        • KG

          I know from reports of survivors such as Viktor_Frankl that many marched into the creamatoriums and gas showers reciting the Shema:

          Deuteronomy 6:4-9

          King James Version (KJV)

          4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

          5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

          6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

          7 And
          thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of
          them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way,
          and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

          8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

          9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

          • FRIPPERY

            Are you a moron? Are you retarded? “FREE TO PRACTICE JUDAISM”??? They were hardly free to breathe.. Hey the Nazis were so wonderful, they let us pray before they tortured, raped or brutally murdered us!!

          • KG

            But they had their “god given rights”, correct?

          • paulrph1

            You are one sick puppy. How do you look into the mirror.

          • FRIPPERY

            Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you, right? That means everything you need you have already, you just have to draw it into manifestation. You see this is why your political views are so wrong, you keep looking for these things outside yourself, for a govt. Big Daddy, Big Nanny to give it to you. This is the problem with the welfare state that has kept the blacks down for so long & this is why the Founders were so wise in their creation of this nation, this is why the truly Conservative view & Libertarian view is best.

            No system is gonna be perfect if humans are involved, but what we got here is the best, however it is being eroded hour by hour by the dark forces left & right who have been corrupted by even higher & darker forces & the people who have been brainwashed into sheeple & are disconnected from God, the source of every Good & perfect Gift!

          • hippybiker

            Hey, A$$ Hole Eyes. Tell us about the Soviet troops who raped and murdered every German female between the ages of 8 to 80? You, sir are a low life scum bag doggy.
            Further more….My rights were given to me by my creator, whom I choose to call my Lord. Get back under your rock!

          • Robert Messmer

            No they didn’t have Liberty nor the pursuit of Happiness and were shortly even deprived of their Life.

          • KG

            But you keep saying that G-d gave us these ‘rights’? How is that possible? Unless you have a “Government of, by and for the People?”

            That’s why Libertarians are stupid.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your comment is “stupid”, KGB, but then that’s what we’ve come to expect from you.

          • KG

            AHHHAHAAH! AHAHAH! AHAH! HA HA! HA ….ha….tehee….whew!………………………………………………………………………

          • Jana

            There is definitely something missing in your brain. It just doesn’t connect all the way somewhere in there!

          • paulrph1

            Because that said a prayer on the way to being killed that made them free to practice religion. How absurd. What kind of warped person are you?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Jeff says — “but it has been the Federal Government (Congress, the President, and the Courts) that have freed people from the ravages of unrestrained capitalism, from crushing poverty, from Jim Crow laws, from poverty in old age, from law enforcement uninterested in the protections of the Bill of Rights, etc., etc.”.

      Saved us from “crushing poverty” or saved us from Prosperity?
      http://dmc122011.delmar.edu/socsci/rlong/data/Inequality/HistoricPovertyTrends.htm

      Saved us from “unrestrained capitalism” or saved Crony Capitalists from competition?
      http://mises.org/daily/2317

      Saved us from “poverty in old age” or saved us from Prosperity in old age?
      I can only speak for myself, but I would have had a much nicer retirement if I put those SS premiums in my own trust. But the Jury is still out, given that Social Security, which is a hand to mouth system, is now being funded by a smaller portion of the population than ever before. And it is inherently bankrupt:
      http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

      • Robert Messmer

        He is probably not aware that just like Vietnam and the War on Drugs, the government lost the War on Poverty. Law enforcement uninterested in Bill of Rights you mean like threatening to shoot a law abiding citizen in the back for exercising his 2nd Amendment right, persecuting others for using their 1st Amendment right, like Stop & Frisk in violation of 4th Amendment right. or how about Waco where the government just shredded the whole kit and kaboodle?

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Robert: “the government lost the War on Poverty.”

          There wasn’t the government War on Poverty.
          Government created Poverty. Government needs Poverty,
          More Poverty – more sheeple.

          • Robert Messmer

            Alondra, yes the government under LBJ declared War of Poverty circa 1964.

    • FRIPPERY

      That government you shower so much glory & praise on has now become our biggest threat & enemy & squasher of freedom & prosperity…WAKE UP!!! There was never meant to be such a Federal Leviathan as what we have now…it is too big to be managed properly & the corruptION & fraud is so deeply entrenched because no one can control it!

    • Robert Messmer

      OMG Jeff you have so defined Obama. He is such a Neocon and right winger. He has stated several times that he can ignore International Law and attack Syria whenever he wants to. That he doesn’t need approval or counsel of Congress before passing laws and going to war. Thank you for clearing that up.

  • Hank

    Obama cannot be trusted, he is a serial liar and a fraud. When Americans cannot trust their Government, it’s the start of America’s downfall !!!!

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      “Obama cannot be trusted, he is a serial liar and a fraud.”

      And he is a KRIMINAL

      Here just a few of his Pool of Dead People:
      “wherever he walks leaves a trail of dead people. Case in point, Bill Gwatney and Stephanie Tubbs, delegates in 2008 planning to vote for Hillary Clinton … Obama’s alleged lovers at Trinity United Church of Christ all dying within a six-week period forming the perfidious mount of Obama’s Death Mountain.”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qKa0YJS-4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on8GnLRUBa0

      Every one of these dead People were tied to O’homo.

      Resist the Tyranny. Don’t let the stories of these murdered People go untold. SHARE this video and let get the word out about the Kriminality of this Illegal pResident and his minions and of our an uncaring and unacted Gov’t.

      PASS IT ON and LIVE FREE !!!

      • KG

        Please come up with something more original. The same claims were made against the Clintons. How many murder trials did Bill or Hillary have to testify at?

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxmK3-r54yQ
          A Must See
          KG, Please feel free to PASS IT ON.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Profoundly disturbing.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Did you watch the full? It’s long.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No. Too close to my bedtime.

        • Vis Fac

          Words of you own posting should have given you a clue as to the validity of Alondra’s post If not you are so hopelessly biased and brainwashed it’s pathetic.
          Murders perpetrated by DUMBOCRITES run rampant and without consequence. Bubba Bill chased skirts while Bin Laden ran rampant killing people so he is culpable as well because out of the FOUR opportunities Clinton had to get Bin Laden he balked at each one. (culpable in murder) Only when our African embassies were attacked did he do anything which only amounted to lobbing a few cruise missiles at a suspected target He might as well invited Bin Ladin to a barbecue for all the good that did. Bin Laden continued to plan terrorist attacks killing people (culpable)

          Now for ODUMBO and Hillaryious Clinton the lying hag that along with ODUMBO stood mute and paralyzed while Benghazi was under siege. Then both stood in front of God and everyone and LIED their faces off. Then when required to testify Hillaryious developed a headache then amnesia then to top it all off cavalierly asked what difference does it make now?
          The difference is when these liberal malfeasances (and that’s just hat they are) occur they cost people their lives but that’s OK with you because it isn’t your life that was lost, just as is isn’t you who had been one of the millions of babies murdered via government sanctioned abortions each year. And you want this crone Hillaryious Clinton as our POTUS and CIC?

          Apparently liberals like liars and cheats (unless they are of the other party) Liberals go out of their way to fabricate untruths to blame those not in agreement with their dogma.

          Yes Liberals kill people, liberals kill jobs and liberals kill hope.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Carlos

          How about Vince Foster? You remember, the guy Hillary did in and walked away free.

        • TheOriginalDaveH
        • hippybiker

          “Deluded, or stupid?” Sounds like you are describing your own mind set. Get a life, other than mom’s basement, SH*t For Brains

          • KG

            From you response, I can tell you are a well educated, sophisticated, yet unstable individual. Due to the facts that your mind seems incapable of absorbing, maybe time to masturbate to your naked Mom, eh?

          • hippybiker

            You are a sick puppy!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks for revealing to the readers, KGB, what a Socialist Progressive is really like.

  • tttt9erfan

    This article is an almost word for word repeat of the Rush Limbaugh show the other day.

    • KG

      I wasn’t aware that Rush had that much influence. Maybe being the reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels has something to do with it?

      • Robert Messmer

        You know/knew both of them personally?

        • KG

          The vice president and the puppet master?
          All that I know is what I read in the Newspapers.
          ….and comic books!

          • Jana

            That is where you get you information, right out of the comic books, and it shows!

  • Guest

    America used to be an exceptional country. She has decided to trade that for socialism, and getting ”something-for-nothing”. Freedom is apparently boring these days. Americans may not trust the government, but they are still willing to repeatedly re-elect the same distrustful minions back into office (whether as President or Congress members).

    • jaybird

      The snake charmed all those that voted for him with his smiles and weaving and bobbing, they believed and trusted him and they still do. It is amazing, I have trouble believing that they have not come to their senses. I think it is the give me, give me group. I hope that this welfare bill goes through from the little I have heard (need to check more) they are going to be tested for drugs, investigated to see if they really need welfare and work requirements. Nikki Haley, Gov. of SC has gotten 18, 000 people off welfare in her state. When they come in they are set up with a job counselor first.

      • Robert Messmer

        I applaud Governor Haley, who by the way is a Tea Party member, and wish her well. Apparently their job service does a much better job of putting people back to work than most. As to drug testing of welfare recipients, here in Florida it was found to be not cost effective. That is the number removed for verified positive results (fail the test) was such a minute number it did not equal the cost of the tests.

  • paendragon

    I agreed with everything the author said except for this bit near the beginning (Re: Putins claims that) “We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.” Like you did in Chechnya, comrade?”

    “Chechnya!”? You’re holding Putin’s DEFENSIVE use of force, against heavily-armed muslim jihadi “rebels,” against him?! FOR SHAME!

    As for the rest of your article, it can be summed up with:

    Those politicians we hire to manage the insurance company called “government” and to collect the dues are not our parents nor owners, they are only our servants.

    But other than that (infrastructure defense) what do we need politicians for?!

    All liberal “laws” (What Mark Levin describes as “positivist” laws) are, in fact, crimes.

    The only principle any one ever need agree to, is of course the Golden Rule of Law which defines all situational morality as “Do Not Attack First.”

    From this agreement, we gain trust, progress, and civilization; this “social contract” means our only real right is to not be attacked first, and our only real responsibility is to not attack (therefore innocent) others first. Period.

    The rest are all symptoms, and all sub-sequent valid legislation depends on that Rule: Every law is an if/then warning which says, in effect: If and when you choose to attack first in this, that, or those ways, then this, that, and these punishments will apply to you.

    Bad laws are crimes because they attack first. At “best” they are only ‘ethical’ lists of rules and excuses amerliorating bad, attack-first criminal premises.

    A “Judge’s” only job is to determine rational cause-and-effect (who started it) and all irrational criminal excuses or alibis are based on the opposite, victim-blaming slanderous pretense.

    It should therefore be easy for any judge to see if a law is bad (an attempt to deprive citizens of due process, by disregarding any need for evidence by slanderously insisting on asserting that they are Guilty Until Never Proven Innocent, and so must impossibly prove a negative in order to defend them selves).

    Bad laws are slanderously “pre-emptive” first attacks, like all gun control laws:

    “Since you DO own a gun, therefore you WILL use it to commit some crimes, SO we must now stop you by ‘defensively’ attacking you first – for your own good, of course!” There’s no if/then; they are threats, not valid warnings. Pretty much every “law” any liberal ever passes, is some form of extortion like this.

    Guns exist. They will never again not-exist. More laws do not equal order. In general, no force or police or laws are necessary among free citizens who can and will govern themselves, while the opposite is: no amount of force or police or laws are enough for a people who CANNOT – or will not – govern themselves.

    Other bad laws depend not on what your free-will choice of what you might DO might eventually be, but on their subjective yet objectifying definition of what you ARE: in islam’s prejudicially slanderous us-versus-them and might makes right sharia code, all weaker groups – foreign infidels, women, children, slaves – are openly and officially pre-discriminated against, encoded right into their system of criminal laws.

    Bad (“defensively pre-emptive”) laws are crimes because they attack first.

    Unfortunately, there’s only so many symptoms of “Do Not Attack First!” one can address with “laws” of morality, only so many right answers, before one must veer off into exploiting the almost infinite number of sorta almost right,(but really wrong) answers, in order to keep up the pretense that one is actually doing something responsible to earn one’s pay and enjoy the right to govern others – a point at which, when reached, societies decline into criminality and empires fall into ruin.

    The American Constitution was designed to prevent the government from attacking the people first, in so many basic enumerated ways, listing the most important symptoms of this most basic Golden Rule of Law & morality.

    • KG

      The job of a judge is NOT to determine rational cause-and-effect, the job of a judge is to dispense Justice tempered with mercy. As in Solomon’s Baby, a certain wisdom of human affairs is required as well.

      Our Founding Fathers were quite aware that the actions they were taking were treasonous and knowing the penalties that were involved, took certain steps to ensure the humane treatment and recognized rights of the accused. That’s how we got “Habeus Corpus” and no ‘acts of attainder’ or ‘ex post facto’ laws. As well as no ‘cruel and unusual punishments’ – not because they were “liberal”, but because THEY realized that themselves could be arrested and jailed.

      The mark of a truly civilized lawmaker is to realize that one day HE HIMSELF may be arrested and charged as well.

      • paendragon

        Habeus Corpus did NOT originate with America’s founders. What on earth is “Justice” or “mercy” if not based on cause and effect?! The Golden Rule of Law which defines situational morality is simply Do Not Attack First.

        After all, when one chooses to attack first, one defines one’s self as the predatory, criminal aggressor, and they as one’s innocent victims – there’s no two ways about it!

        Caveat: all threats ARE already (psychological) attacks, aka: bullying, intimidation, coercion, duress, activist agitation, extortion and “terrorism.”

        Attacking second, (or “counter”-attacking) is always necessary for true, deterrant and punitive Justice to exist.

        So, simply put: “Justice” IS Revenge!

        ;-)

  • Jeff Noncent

    well the president of this country and Mr. Putin need a course on the American history, because clearly God was involve with the constitution, and the declaration of independence

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      I think that Mr. Putin knows the TRUE USA history much better than the Kenyan Fraud, who learned the history from the textbooks, written by the Kommunists.

      • Jeff Noncent

        they all know they just don’t want to face the fact that God was involve with creating this world that we are living in

  • KG

    Here is a clip that will show everyone how the world views Amerika.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NAM3rIBG5k

    • TML
      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You cite youtube (CNN Propaganda Network, and a Movie)?
        And you have the nerve to dis me for using Mises Institute for references. You’re a joke, TML.

        • TML

          Don’t get so upset, sonny… it was a response to KG’s ridiculous video. I dis you for using mises religiously, as if it is the only truth, and anyone who disagrees with any of it, or doesn’t ride your train of inherent disdain to the rule of law in general, is simply stupid in your view. That’s the joke.

          • KG

            I agree. TODaveH has some kind of deep emotional attachment to the ideas of Von Misies. I first discovered Karl Marx after a lecture in my History class at the university. The plain explication that the professor offered me turned me into a Marxist right away. I dove into as much Marxist literature as i could. However, just like most pursuits for ultimate knowledge, I became disappointed in the whole thing. However, after that experience I tried not to keep myself trapped into any one pigeon hole. I know, I know – you guys love calling me a Red Communist Basturd. I just happen to use the ideas of Marx to challenge ideas and to have a counter to what a lot of people hold as sacred truth. Which, in the long run, is nothing more than blind faith in something you cannot hope to fully comprehend.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have a deep emotional connection to people who tell the truth. Which is why I have no connection with you, KGB.
            And, KGB, who do you think you are fooling? You are a commie Shill. You’re here solely because your handlers want you to disrupt and deter people from learning about concepts of Freedom.

          • KG

            No, I’m here of my own accord. I just love F#@king with you Right-wing Conservative/Libertarian/Nazis. It’s fun watching yous guys squirm around like snails on a straight razor.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have experience with that, I take it (snails on a straight razor)? It wouldn’t surprise me.

          • KG

            I’m surprised you didn’t pick up on the reference to the movie Apocalypse Now.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sick movie. Must be your favorite, eh KGB?

          • KG

            What makes you say it’s a ‘sick’ movie? I felt as though it was an honest representation of what the Vietnam war actually became. It was controversial when it first came out. I guess since we actually lost that war, people weren’t ready to see a reminder so close to the end (it was released in 1979. The US wasn’t ‘officially’ out of Vietnam until the fall of Saigon in 1975).

            BTW, the main protagonist, Col. Walter E Kurtz was an ultimate ‘libertarian’. He found the ‘morality’ to engage the enemy and win things the way HE thought was right. Sounds just like Von Misies or Murray Rothbard’s philosophy in life.

            “…the horror…the horror,,,,,”

          • Jana

            The only one I see squirming is YOU.

          • nc

            KG, WELL SAID!! I love watching them telling each other how bright they are because they believe with each other and the likes of Wayne Root! Never mind the fact that the last time AMERICA judged him it gave him .04% of the vote! Truly mainstream America! Yeah right!!
            If I was getting paid for being here and whacking these knuckle draggers it would be a double whammy!

          • KG

            LOL! AFK! BRB!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            While the rest of us choose not to screw with you, maybe you should just concentrate on yourself.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s great! You’re using a 1937 Volkswagon manual on your Tesla! That’s OK! It didn’t work on the Yugo or the Gaz or the Great Wall Hover, either.

            It sounds great coming from the professor , out of the Communist Manifesto or the Doctrine of Socialism but what it doesn’t address is that it doesn’t work until you move all the way left on the political spectrum until you circle back to the right wing’s Doctrine of Fascism. It has the same explanation as socialism. You have 100% democracy because ‘the leader is there by consent of the people, therefore the leader’s will is the will of the people’. Left wing/right wing; same principle!

            Only the centrist, the Constitutional Libertarian has the answer: Liberty over the tyranny of the left or the right.

            You don’t understand your own politics and you certainly don’t understand anybody else’s:
            “I just love F#@king with you Right-wing Conservative/Libertarian/Nazis”!

            That education thing didn’t work out for you; did it? I’ll break it down for you: Nazi=Right Wing. socialist/communist=Left Wing. Conservative, Libertarian=Centrist or Centralist. republican=left of center.

            On the “horseshoe” theory of ideology, emperor obama is right at the point where right and left wing meet, which is closer to either than the center.

            I see it to be circular where center, which is liberty is in the top half of the circle. As one travels to the left or to the right, they get further from liberty and closer to each other until the ideologies reach the same point which is tyranny.

            Sorry for skipping to the end, for you. That doesn’t even touch the grossly irresponsible, economic theories that also have never worked, like the obama plan to grow the middle class by the government.

            Even China has moved to state sponsored capitalism!

            You’re why we have to change the education system in the US. You can’t tell the difference between the Nazis and the Libertarians.

          • KG

            If anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
            — Matthew 5:40-42

            Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
            — 1 Corinthians 10:24

            Jesus agrees with me. Why do you reject the teachings of Jesus? Oh – your ‘savior’, Ayn Rand, thought that the highest virtue was total selfishness. She admired a person who dismembered 12 year old girls because he showed absolutely no thought for other than himself.

            http://exiledonline.com/atlas-shrieked-why-ayn-rands-right-wing-followers-are-scarier-than-the-manson-family-and-the-gruesome-story-of-the-serial-killer-who-stole-ayn-rands-heart/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re boringly repetitive, KGB, like one would expect from a commie. Can’t you come up with some new equally non-credible material?

          • KG

            Just wanted to make sure you are aware of your heroines proclivities towards psychopathic tendencies.

            The queen of selfish capitalism also received Social Security payments under her first husbands name – Alisa O’Conner.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Listen to the KGB talking about “selfish”. I suppose you join those Unions because you like to entertain people?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra
          • KG
          • KG

            If you want to ‘entertain people’, you could join actorsequity or the IATSE.

            Was is ‘selfish’ for me to find a job that payed enough to feed my family? Was it selfish to be part of an organization designed to help it’s members improve their lot in life, as well as their neighbors, through hard work?

            I could have given up on the Union and let my children live in squalor. I could have worked non-union and save some money on taxes by being paid under the table. I could have looked out for myself only and said ‘screw the young people – I aint teaching them my skills because then I’ll have to compete against them.’, but instead I joined an organization that wants to preserve the skills and ‘secrets’ of craftsmanship. Here is a good example of the effort that Unions put in to teach trades to young people.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Funny!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            They have nothing to do with you or the good people that obey God’s law. You’re like the devil. You’ll take bad or good information and use it for bad, no matter what.

          • Jana

            How does Jesus agree with you? The question is, Do you agree with Jesus? Have you accepted Jesus as your Saviour?

          • Jana

            How does Jesus agree with you? The question is, Do you agree with Jesus? Have you accepted Jesus as your Saviour?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            See, there you go, attaching good will toward others of one’s own conscience, according to his faith. You won’t use my faith against me, only to riddicule and try to take it away.

            The difference between giving from the heart and giving because somebody says you must is obvious. One is choice. The other is slavery to work, only to have somebody else take it from your to give it to somebody else. Therein lies the difference.

            Even the theorem associated with your beliefs originates with will and genuine concern but asks all to contribute. It then tries to legislate what’s in the heart.

            Conservatives, believers in the open market are more likely to be charitable and to give to charities than the cheapskates that want the state to take the fruit of another’s labor and make the determinations of distribution or redistribution for them.

            It’s not the same thing!

            We are not all the same just because the state wants us to be. We are not perfect. We’re a flawed race, humans and we’re just all different.

            What God has put together, let no man put asunder.

            Jesus didn’t have an internal revenue service and didn’t have a group of people that wouldn’t lift a finger to provide for themselves, their children and those that counted on them.

          • KG

            Luke 20:20-26
            King James Version (KJV)
            20 And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor.
            21 And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:

            Note that they acknowledge Christ’s authority-

            22 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?

            This is the key question. Remember, the Jews at that time payed a Temple tax, a tax from the local governor, as well as the tax from Rome.

            23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
            24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.
            25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s.
            26 And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.

            “Shew me a Dollar, Whose inscription is on it?”
            “Well then render unto Washington what is washington’s and keep the rest for yourself.”

            Romans 13
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
            2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
            3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
            4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
            5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
            6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
            7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
            8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

          • Jana

            You just defeat yourself KG!!!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You just made my point, for me. What is Washington’s is far less than they take. This, all by itself! Rome did not offer anything but an alliance. Like Rome, The United States offers only representation without taxation to those that do not pay taxes, disproportionate representation without taxation! In your pathetic ideology, everybody contributes. You, like the ideologues that tear at the fabric of American values and like the toddler have arrested your development and are concerned only with the illusion of fairness. Your mantra is “no fair!” It’s “me, me me!”

            You might as well be a group of children that mommy and daddy never had the talk with about fairness and the fact that we make what’s fair for ourselves from the tools we’re given and we accept, as we grow up if we grow up, since the communist is the epitome of the child that never grew up.

            Armed with your half baked, political ideology more suited for a day care program, in a world where there are adults in the room, instead, you support a government of those that prosper from the labor of those that do contribute, without contributing, themselves. What’s your fix for them? Do you round them up and make them work? Obviously not. One of the first things your executive did was defund the laws of ‘welfare to work’.

            That’s the point of those that repel immigration deform. The republic-rats, to buy vote they’ll never get are pandering to the Hispanic community that are oblivious to the fact that the socialist pie, which gets smaller every day, at the peril of those that are enslaved for their benefit, will be inaccessible to the law abiding or not, tax paying or even tax dodging citizen.

            Law abiding, tax paying citizens have no representation but are taxed disproportionately, for the benefit of those that have no standing, meaning the 33 million that the government under-reports by 2/3, illegal aliens, that will receive the lion’s share of resources while the Hispanic, Black, White, middle eastern, Asian and all other citizens, in need of temporary relief, until we can legally elect a real leader, will be disenfranchised by the new, underclass, said to be the most “disadvantaged”.

            The government, in its state should be rendered nothing until it serves its purpose for its citizens. Render only that to Caesar, what is due Caesar, since our pResident has placed himself above his constitutionally enumerated powers and might as well be Caesar, defund his un-American agenda.

            We Christians will render unto God what is left, after we give to the Caesar who acts as God what he takes without regard for its source.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Dear Libertarian Soldier, KG is in his “father the devil, and the DESIRES OF [HIS] FATHER [HE] WANT TO DO. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

            Dear Libertarian Soldier, now I would like to explain you
            about the “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”, which the Leftists and Satanists like to cite

            To understand the Jesus’s answer to the PROVOCATIVE Pharisees’ question you have to know the history of Judea & Galilee in the time when they were under Roman Empire
            occupation.

            This is a big them and needs the deep study. But I try by ‘short cut’ to explain to you and please copy and file it and use it.

            The GOAL of this Pharisees’ QUESTION WAS TO ENTRAP Jesus. The Pharisees RESISTED the tax in principle BUT COMPROMISED in practice in order to make life possible under Roman rule.

            But the Jewish ‘political party’ Zealot, whose concern for the national and religious life of the Jewish people, led them into persistent OPPOSITION to pagan Rome. They DESPISED even Jews, who sought peace and conciliation with the Roman authorities. The Zealots CATEGORICALLY REFUSED PAYMENT OF THIS TAX. They regarded this tax as “an INTRODUCTION TO SLAVERY and an INSULT TO THE SOVEREIGNTY of God. Their view was that land of Canaan belonged
            to God and God gave it to Israel. No other nation had a right to it. (Israel is the UNIQUE and ONLY Nation to which God promised the Real Estate in “the LAND OF CANAAN” and NOT Palestine. There is NONE ancient historical document which would refer to Palestine as a “country” or “holy land”)

            Rome required that the POLL TAX be paid with the denarius, a silver coin. But the Zealots NEVER would have this coin in their possession.

            So the Pharisees suspected Jesus of Zealotism and were seeking to publicly EXPOSE HIM AS A TAX RESISTER, a position that would inevitably lead Him to the Zealot death penalty, crucifixion on a cross. Jesus understood that the Pharisees’ question was calculated to be ground for his arrest. (The Pharisees hated Jesus as all leftists hate Him)

            Matthew 22:17-22; Luke 20:21-26
            17The Pharisees asked Jesus: “Tell us, therefore, what do You think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?”
            18 But Jesus perceived THEIR WICKEDNESS, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites? 19 Show Me the TAX MONEY.” So they brought Him a denarius. 20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” 21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
            22 When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left Him and went their way.”

            As you can see Jesus did not have HIS DENARIUS. He asked Pharisees to show Him THEIR DENARIUS.

            Libertarian Soldie, KG is a modern-day Pharisee.

            If you want to educate yourself, read Christ and the
            Caesars
            of the German theologian and NUMISMATIST Ethelbert Stauffer;

            The 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian and hagiographer of priestly and royal ancestry Flavius Josephus’ The Jewish War (c. 75) and Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94), who recorded Jewish history of the 1st century AD, the Destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70. These works provide valuable insight into 1st century Jewish History, Judaism and the background of Early Christianity.

            Also you can read the jewishencyclopedia.com, of cause if you are not anti-Semite.

            Jesus DID NOT preach REDISTRIBUTION a.k.a. SOCIAL JUSTICE a.k.a. FAIR SHARE. It’s Satan’s gospel, which KG is preaching and Leftists adapted.

            Jesus preached EQUAL opportunity. But as always, Christ’s antagonistic OPPONENT/RIVAL Satan distorts and twists His teachings.

            Read the BIBLE. Gives knowledge & wisdom.

            God Bless you and Trust in the God’s Word.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Thank you for the explanation. I already knew most of what you said.

            My purpose was to bring the conversation back to what the new Caesar deems to be his.

          • KG

            It would seem as though you think that immigrants (illegal Aliens) contribute nothing to the American Pie. You do realize how stupid and ignorant that statement is, do you?

            Everybody who works – and get’s payed by a Check – pays taxes on their income. That is, if the company is legitimate and reports proper income and pays it’s own taxes as well.

            Think about this : the billions of dollars that illegal immigrant workers have payed – and not a single one will be able to claim it when they retire. It’s the taxes payed by these folks that are making-up the decline in births among Americans.

            In the long run, the policy of Amnesty ‘could be’ a positive one despite the racist rhetoric that White Christian Nazis (conservative Republicans) like to use to scare people like yourself.

          • KG

            Yo, cool breeze! Chill dawg! You’re going to pop an ‘o’ ring somewhere! Just the fact that despite your contempt for the truth, you still responded to a ‘turd bugler’! What does THAT mean???

            Go sing the Horst Wessel song with your drinking buddies. Maybe you’ll loosen up enough to think straight.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            run along, now, butt-hole buccaneer. Those illegal aliens want to show you their pay stubs and their tax returns in the land of the Freedom and Justice Party (the muslim brotherhood). This is the fantasyland in which you exist.

            Stay out of mine; just run along and play “truth” with the illegal aliens and the government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would pit my education against yours any day, TML.
            You dis me for using Mises for one reason only, and that’s because I regularly make you look like the Ignoramus that you are.

            TML says — “doesn’t ride your train of inherent disdain to the rule of law in general”.
            As usual TML stoops to hyperbole being devoid of anything factual to say. Show me, TML, you lying Progressive, where I have ever disdained the rule of law. If we had rule of law, PL would have little to complain about.

          • TML

            So you say I’m a joke, and when I respond in kind, it’s me stooping to hyperbole, eh? Good luck with that gem of logic.

            Lying? No… You engaged an argument with me concerning the US remaining in the UN and the importance of international law, by citing big government and big banks. And not long ago engaged me with your support for even a county, city, or community to unilaterally secede from a sovereign state. The logic of this outlook places no real barrier toward reaching anarchist conclusions. We do have rule of law.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Okay, Ignoramus, I said I was going to let you have the last word. But I can’t let your fallacious comment go unchallenged.
            Secession, or even an advocation of anarchy (which I don’t) have nothing to do with obeying the existing laws. I’m talking about lessening laws — Not disobeying them. I realize that kind of logic is too much for ignorant Liberal Progressives to grasp.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The truth is the truth. There aren’t degrees of truth or different truths. You’re mixing that up with lies. There are lots of lies. One truth, if you’re in reality.

          • TML

            And what one truth would that be? Yours?

            Fact is always true, but a truth is not always a fact.

          • Jana

            Right, especially when a fact is manufactured!

          • TML

            A manufactured ‘fact’ wouldn’t be a fact, of course. It would be a lie.

          • Jana

            You ought to know, that is what you deal in all of the time.
            Made up and manufactured facts.

          • TML

            No, that’s what religious people, such as yourself, do all the time. Subjective judgments that you try to pass off as the “One Truth”.

          • Jana

            I leave the judging to you, as you are quite free with it. I am however to use discernment. I learn proper discernment from the Word of God. If you don’t like it, take it up with God.

          • TML

            Again, no… you did the judging, saying, “that is what you deal in [made up and manufactured facts (lies)] all of the time.”; and with your measure, it was measured to you.

          • Jana

            WRONG!!!

      • Robert Messmer

        Based on that the vast majority in Egypt and Jordan were correct.

    • Robert Messmer

      LOL based on that the world loves us–they smoke our cigarettes, have their pizza delivered, drink cokes, and eat Big Macs. Not sure what the band’s hangup with Mickey Mouse is, maybe just like NK they were not allowed to go to Disneyland.

      • KG

        LOL! AFK! BRB!

  • TML

    The myth of American exceptionalism: false patriotism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZFRmVFn7WM

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Exceptionalism is what makes us a great nation. Our once great nation is built on a creed, an idea based in liberty, rather than a type of control, a race claiming dominance, a geopolitical, faith based ideology, a class or any other group that distinguishes itself with control over a group or groups of people is what makes us exceptional. We are a people of many origins but one people, one common idea and belief conceived in liberty.

    The “Father of our Country”, George Washington sets the example not always, certainly not currently followed with, “his judicious use of power and that quality largely accounts for the unparalleled devotion that Americans felt for him.

    “When the war officially ended in fall 1783, Washington demonstrated once again an ability to walk away from power. He had persevered and now the victorious general stood alone as the most respected man in the country….When King George asked an American in London what Washington would do after the war, the man answered that he would probably go back home to his Virginia farm. “If he does that,” said the astonished king, “he will be the greatest man in the world.” George Washington understood what few leaders in history have grasped: the willingness to give up power is a true sign of greatness. To grasp for power, as the colonists saw it, was to side with tyranny and oppression, but to walk away from it was a mark of virtue and character. It was Montesquieu, a French political philosopher during the Enlightenment, who said, ‘To become truly great, one has to stand with people, not above them’.”

    http://patriotpost.us/commentary/7942

    This is what makes us exceptional and as we move further from that idea, we move further from the exceptionalism that makes us great.

    We need to return to the Constitution!

  • Robbie

    Do you actually believe that God gave special rights just to America and ignored every other country? I thought ALL people were God’s children.

    • KG

      G-d bless America!….And NO ONE ELSE!

      • native blood

        Yankee, Go Home!…and take me with you.

      • native blood

        Yankee, Go Home!…and take me with you.

    • Jeff

      I think some on the right think that. I think we are often the indispensable nation when international action is required, but American Exceptionalism has more to do with what the U.S. does than with what its been given.

    • native blood

      God gave rights to everyone to live, be free, and to pursue happiness.
      It is the conditions you live in that affects those rights.

    • ChuckS123

      Early America turned to God a lot – maybe more than any other country – so God blessed us more than any other country. America was started as a Christian nation. A big part of that is the belief that God gave us free will to choose God or not, so the government also gives us the free choice to choose God or not. But it did promote Christianity in a non- compulsory way.

      • Robbie

        Do you know anything at all about the religious intensity in, say, Europe in their early days or in the middle east? What about the really religious countries of Latin America. How come God doesn’t shine his light very much on them? Personally I can tell you there is no god but we’re discussing this issue from your god centred universe.

        • ChuckS123

          I believe that Islam and the Catholic Church were far from God’s laws in the Bible. Protestants got back to the Bible. A lot of protestants have drifted away also, but early Americans were following God fairly well.

          To Dave, all of the British Empire at the time required slavery to be legal. Our independence allowed states to ban slavery, which several did. I don’t have an answer about native Americans. Yes, the first amendment bans a state religion, like the Church of England, but, as I said, they did promote Christianity in a non- compulsory way.

          • Robbie

            Don’t you know that many Catholics consider Protestantism to have gone off the true path? And, of course, Jews consider that ALL Christians have left the path. I guess it’s just human nature for anyone to think that the “other guy” has gone astray and that only you know the correct path. Pretty funny no? The funniest of all is in a war when both sides pray to God for victory as if God – if there is one – gives two hoots who wins. Actually even funnier was when that dork football player used to do that praying think after each touch down as if God was helping him. And the fruit cakes in the stands loved it. But then when the player in question started to fail everyone just kind of forgot that whole nonsense about praying for victory. Bunch o’ idiots.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            God did NOT create religions. Men did. Men did create religions in the response of their desire for power and control.

            God reveals Himself to mankind in His Word, the Bible. The Bible is a book about God and His relationship with human beings. The Scriptures contain a long history of God’s revelation of Himself to man—from the first sinful man Adam to the sinless Son of God Jesus Christ.

            “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men … 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14And the Word became flesh (Jesus Christ) and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-4, 12-14)

            Man was made in the God image:
            “26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image,
            according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them.”
            (Genesis 1:26-28)

            But who create religion, they create their “gods” in their
            image. Thus they distort the God’s TRUTH.

            And Jesus Christ Himself warns us:
            “Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits…EVERY HEALTHY TREE BEARS GOOD FRUITS, but the DISEASED TREE BEARS BAD FRUIT…a diseased tree cannot bear good fruit. EVERY TREE THAT DOES NOT BEAR GOOD FRUIT IS CUT DOWN AND THROWN INTO THE FIRE. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7; Jer.23)

            “And many false prophets will rise and will deceive many…even God’s chosen ones. See, I have warned you.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 24)

            The false teachers, “who will bring in DAMNABLE
            HERESY, even denying the Lord that bought them, and BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.”
            – Apostle Peter (2Peter 2:1-3)

            “For the time will come when PEOPLE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH SOUND DOCTRINE. Instead, TO SUIT THEIR OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a GREAT NUMBER of teachers to say WHAT THEIR ITCHING EARS WANT TO HEAR. They will turn their ears AWAY FROM THE TRUTH AND TURN ASIDE TO MYTHS.” (2Tim.4:2-4)

            Do you want to know the TRUE God and God’s TRUTH – read His Word – the Bible – for yourself.

            “16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,
            and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
            (2Timothy 3:16)

            “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” – Jesus Christ (John 8:31)

        • Rhonda Hunt

          Robbie are you an expert on the subject of God you say there is no God,how do you arrive at that,is it because you can’t see him or hear him,can’t feel him,then he must not exits,you can’t see your brain either does that mean you don’t have one,or how about your heart do you have a heart if so how do you know, you can’t see your heart,but with out these two organs there is no life for any of us,and so it is without God there would be no life,it is by his spirit that we have life,so you keep on thinking like that if you choose,we don’t hear people like you because there is no light in you and you are an unreliable witness of Yahweh and do not know him,just being religious as in Latin America and other places in the world means nothing,as religion in all it’s forms does not represent the Kingdom of God and his Messiah,I am as turned off by religion as you may be,But I am getting to know the real God of the Bible without all the trappings of religious tradition and the false church system,you do this by studying the Bible,Old covenant and New covenant in context,that means you start at the beginning not in the middle or two thirds of the way through the book,and think you know it all now,it takes a life time and then some, after 42 + years I’m only getting started.—-Jim Hunt

          • Robbie

            I am indeed an expert on the subject of god(s). At 67 I got started a long time ago. As for the god you believe in I was once told that I had to prove he/she/it did NOT exist. False. I can’t prove that something that does not exist does not exist. It’s up to those who make some claim to prove it to be so.

            A rabbi once told me that before I could state that there is no god I would have to travel everywhere in the universe until I found him! What?!? I have neither the time nor the ability to go traveling around the universe in something that’s not even there. He who says that XYZ exists can bloody well do the leg work.

            Regarding my heart that I can not see: I recently had a heart attack (blocked artery actually) and, although I have never seen my heart I can assure you I have one and I even know where it is and I even have an untie sound printout of it.

      • Rhonda Hunt

        Chuck it is true that Yahweh gave us free will to choose or reject him,but we have to remember if we choose God over the world we are required to meet his conditions,not the other way around,if we choose the bad(which we have)there is a price to be paid,to reject Yahweh is rebellion against him and his Kingdom,and he will deal with us according to our rebellion,we don’t get to walk away Scott free without any repercussions, this exceptional mind set is nonsense and should be rejected,the spiritual man seeks truth,justice,mercy,faith,humility,service and loyalty to Yahweh and his Messiah,we are called to be humble servants.—–Jim Hunt

    • Rhonda Hunt

      Robbie I grew up in the Fifties and sixties and do not recall ever hearing this thing called American Exceptionalism,this is something that has just come along in the last few years,there was a time that Americans in the early years may have been exceptional,when it’s people actually obeyed God Commandments,but no more in a long long time,the Constitution is not based on the Bible,we just believe it was,there is no mention of God in the Constitution,And declares its shelf to be the Surpreme law of the land,and relegates Yahweh’s laws as second fiddle,Yahweh has allowed this for a time but that time is coming to a end, he will not allow it forever,as he is not a respecter of persons,or Nations for that matter who do not Obey his Commandments, we are a deluded people, deceived by our own pride and arrogance.—-Jim Hunt

  • native blood

    The question is: Were we once the greatest country in the world.

    The Answer is: Oh yes! There was a time where (during times of peace)
    opportunity to succeed was placed on the doorstep of every American.
    Then, it mattered not if you were of a certain class of citizen or if you were considered a minority, all that mattered then is if you took the opportunity,
    you could get wealthy and you could succeed.
    What happened? Too many greedy people that were successful decided that there were too many successful Americans and they decided that sharing the profits with millions of middle class was digging into their bottom line. So businesses merged into bigger ones, relocated out of the country and thus taking away their sources of income, liberty, wealth, happiness and ultimately a sense of work ethic. Unemployment and welfare destroys pride in the country that once was a source of happiness and content, confidence, and pride in country. People grow complacent, those same greedy folks are neglecting infrastructure, border security and has caused them to distrust the lower classes by installing a department of homeland security to control them. The sense of freedom gets lost, job are scarce now and millions of impoverished a imported from countries who push them away from their borders and we have a host of politicians who still believe we have the “used to be ready resources to feed the homeless immigrants. Most secondary superpowers no longer respect us as they are the ones who are now financially superior and our former manufacturing base is in their hands. Prior to world war two, the world knew we could unite as a nation to build a force to counter or defeat any foe. Now, the only friend we have is Israel that is because they own us. They have us in their back pocket and once the money runs dry and resources are gone they will kick us to the curb.

    America lost all the respect it had when we sold away the Classic American Dream to china. We(but just a few) will never see it return in our lifetime. I am proud to say that I lived it but my children are not going to be so fortunate.

  • bentrim

    America went down hill when Madeline Ohare kicked God out of the schools. Maybe before but after that all we have done is kicked God out of everything possible. How can we expect to be blessed by God If we are not willing to allow him to be with us. If someone rejected you would you want to be around them??
    Yes there were a lot of killings done in the name of religion. The crusades and many other such atrocities as you mentioned. Remember God did not condone this it was done by man, just as you cannot control what your adult children do.

  • Freespirit

    No CHIP you ,also, are WRONG. Yes RIGHTS don’t come from Government or anyone else for that matter…… NOR from a “GOD”. THAT is the TYPICAL Arrogance of Religion, including Christianity. RIGHTS COME FROM WITHIN ones CONSCIOUSNESS.They are INHERENT-PERIOD !!! I think therefore I am.I believe I have RIGHTS therefore I DO.

  • Freespirit

    Here is your GOD operated America since about 1888 from the “Bad Quaker”: http://www.badquaker.com/archives/2780

  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    The US is exceptional because the founders recognized on 4 July 1776 that our right to self-govern was granted by our Creator !

    FEAR of death from nuclear annihilation in 1945 frightened world leaders into

    1. Forming the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945, and

    2. Separating humans from the new reality that might have replaced historical superstitions with a scientific understanding of our connection with our Creator:

    The Sun’s pulsar core and powerful, invisible force fields emanating from it.

    Discoveries by my research mentor – the late Professor Paul Kazuo Kuroda – and me revealed sixty-eight years (2013 – 1945 = 68 yrs) of deceit that almost destroyed the integrity of science and constitutional government.

    http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/weaponized-science/#comment-96832

    With kind regards,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo