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NYC Gun Owners Required To Pay Hundreds Of Dollars Annually, Lawsuit Claims

April 7, 2011 by  

NYC gun owners required to pay hundreds of dollars annually, lawsuit claimsTwo gun rights groups and several New York City residents have filed a Federal lawsuit against New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, alleging that the city's $340 fee for a handgun permit is "excessive."

The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association filed the civil rights lawsuit on April 5. They were joined by five NYC residents.

SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb said that the maximum fee for issuing a New York State handgun license is $10, but the measure exempts residents living in the Big Apple. Thus, the city can name its own price. He states that Bloomberg charges residents $340 to obtain the permit and more than $100 per year to keep the handgun in their homes.

The lawsuit claims that the annual fee "impermissibly burdens the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms," as well as violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

"Mayor Bloomberg is essentially taxing the fundamental right to defend one's self in his or her own home," said Gottlieb. "We cannot think of anything more egregious than perpetuating a fee structure that puts a financial obstacle in the way of citizens who want to protect their homes and families."

New York is one of only two States that requires residents to have a permit in order to keep a handgun at home, Gottlieb added. 

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  • Mikey V.

    It is even worse. NYC also requires a permit to possess ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns. They charge $140 fee for that, and also a $90 fingerprint fee applies for both pistol licenses and R&P permit. And getting one doesn’t absolve you from having to pay again for the other. You have to pay twice. And they want a list of everything you own. Said list was used in 1991 by Commissar Dinkins to confiscate or force removal from your possession within NYC of anything that they alleged was a so-called “assault weapon” (i.e. guns that liberals find scary looking).

    • Vicki

      Thus proving that registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation.

  • bob wire

    The $100.00 per year is outrageous! $340.00 for the ticket is marginally defensible.

    I wish NYC luck as it sounds like government is attempting to create more criminals.

    • independant thinker

      I would say the $340 is indefensable as well. Where I live you can purchase a high quality used handgun for that or less.

      • 45caliber

        The whole idea is to make it too expensive for most people to afford to buy and keep a gun. That way only the rich can afford them so only the rich will be safe.

        • Gray

          “The whole idea is to make it too expensive for most people to afford to buy and keep a gun. That way only the rich can afford them so only the rich will be safe.”

          The economic gun bans were originally developed by the KKK, to keep the lynching parties safe.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wild Bill

    I do not think a fee or tax on a Constitutional Right is legal in the first place.

    If it is, then they could put a tax so high you would lose your rights through taxation. Like in Russia, they did not take the land from the citizen, they just tax them out of it.

    WB

    • Bear

      Wild Bill, You are absolutely correct. To impose a fee for people to enjoy a constitutionally proclaimed right is unconstitutional. In the great state of Texas back many years ago, politicians enacted a “Poll Tax.” That’s right, a tax was put in place that required all voters to sign up, pay a “Poll Tax” and receive a certificate which thy had to take with them to all polling places to vote. This law didn’t last long as Constitutional rights advocates quickly saw through this illegal attempt to control voters and the law was quickly placed into the trash basket where it belonged in the first place. This new tax in New York, being called a fee or permit to own a gun of any kind, amounts to the same thing as the Texas Poll Tax. The people of New York need to wake up and see this. Bloomberg is another Marxist/Commusist that we need to get rid of and fast. He does not recognize our rights as outlined by our founding father’s document and has thus violated his oath of office. I can’t put it any simpler.

      • LTCMSCUSAR1

        Like many federal politicians, as well as POTUS, they are traitors plain and simple. Heimmie Reid, upChuck Schumer, Nazi Polosi, Robber Casey, all of the illegial Czars and a cast of hundreds wanting only Nazi collaborator Soros’ New Wrld Order.

    • 45caliber

      Wild Bill:

      Taking away land by taxing is what they are doing here.

      Personally, I feel that property tax is wrong. Basically they are telling you that they own everything. If you don’t pay the rent (tax) they want they will take it away from you.

    • James

      Wild Bill, It’s not a constitutional right, it’s an unalienable right. The right to bear arms was secured by the Revolutionary War. And since McDonald v. Chicago (2010), that right is now part of any citizens’s “liberty” of the 14th Amendment. The right is not a Second Amendment right, that amendment is only a restriction the Founders placed upon the federal government, and every Supreme Court case on that issue has so-stated.

  • momplayer

    I’m surprized there were only 5 people joined this lawsuit.There has to be alot more gang members,thugs,robbers,home invaders.and killers that aren’t to happy about paying this fee. Oh wait I forgot they are fee exempt,man what was I thinking?

    • Mikey V.

      They added two more people, but said no more were needed. They have all they need. Believe me, MANY people wanted in, but if they win, we all win. I just hope they amend the complaint to include NYC’s exorbitant Rifle & Shotgun fees as well. If you own handguns and long guns, that is $480 plus a further $94 each for fingerprints. $666 in all. Mark of the beast indeed.

      • 45caliber

        One reason I refuse to live in New England …

  • Raggs

    How the hell does blooming idiot figure that he can tax a constitutional right?

    • skippy

      raggs…i always luv your comments!!! and this is one of your best….i could not agree more!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Raggs,
      don’t you know? Bloombagg thinks his farts don’t stink and he can do anything!!

      • Jay

        I think bummerberg would be happier in copenhagen, the anal cavity of socialism!

    • James

      Raggs, read my above comment. The New York State Constitution does not have a second amendment counterpart, but the ‘right’ is part of one’s “liberty” in the 14th Amendment. If New York State law says the city of New York can charge whatever they want for licenses, then only the citizens of New York can resolve that.

  • Jay

    And so, in the spirit of democracy, we present to you the following authoritative list of Why We Liberals Don’t Like Guns.

    1. We’re Afraid of Loud Noises
    We liberals are vegetarians, and, like most herbivores, we are easily startled by loud noises caused by things like guns, pickup trucks, and Ted Nugent. This brings us to the fact that. . .

    2. We Don’t Hunt
    Tofu doesn’t run away, and the biggest animals in my neighborhood are the subway rats. Besides which, since we believe so strongly in animal rights, it goes without saying that deer have as much right to live and be free and run for Congress as people do. Also, the thing about guns is that. . .

    3. Bullets Come Out of Them
    And bullets can poke your eye out, which is what Mom always said what would happen if we played with BB guns. Speaking of which. . .

    4. We Know About As Much About Them As We Do About Fixing a ’56 Chevy
    Face it: Most liberals, being city-dwelling pansies, have never actually shot a firearm. (I have. Twice. Once was black powder, which involved the distinct possibility of blowing myself up.) However, even with my limited experience in shooting, I quickly discovered that. . .

    5. We Liberals Are Really, Really Nearsighted and Clumsy
    Most liberals, including Yours Truly, wear really, really thick nerd glasses and are secretly afraid we’d be really lousy shots. Also. . .

    6. Shooting Involves Being Outdoors
    We’d rather stay in and read Noam Chomsky and write letters to the Village Voice and work on our pasty complexions. However, no matter how liberal we are, one of the things about guns that scares us is. . .

    7. We’re Afraid Negroes Might Use Them Against Us
    As much as we may decry any and all racism, most liberals can’t name, off the top of their head, the last time they actually hung out with a black person. The hypocrisy inherent in this issue is worth a whole story, except that I’d get branded a racist and no one would ever talk to me again.

    Also, it goes without saying that. . .

    8. We Really Wish We Were European
    Because we heard that European women are easy. However, you’re not allowed to have guns in Europe. Speaking of Europe. . .

    9. We Are Trying To Make You All Into Homosexuals
    And that AR-15 just doesn’t go with that handbag, girlfriend. Come to think of men in uniform. . .

    10. We Haven’t Had Any Really Good Wars Recently
    There are two wars we liberals really wish we’d been around for. The first is World War II, because, to judge by how we always compare everyone to Fascists, we would have loved to help defeat the Nazis (but not the Japanese, because, Pearl Harbor notwithstanding, they were the victims of racism).

    The second war we wish we’d been around for is Vietnam, but only to protest it, because nothing will ever again be as cool as the 1960s were. Also, we hear protesting the war got you laid.

    Which brings us to. . .

    11. We Like to Legislate
    The liberal solution to a problem is to pass more laws. Only by constantly holding the threat of getting sued over everyone’s head all the time can we create a just society. After all, people are inherently good and fair-minded, and that’s why we need more laws to make them behave.

    Actually, the real reason that we legislate so much is. . .

    12. We’re Trying To Install A UN-Led Zionist Occupation Government
    We’re Jewish, we’re trying to take over, and only you and your .22 stand between us and complete world domination!

    In fact, the Jewish lust for power brings up another fear. . .

    13.We’re Secretly Afraid We Might Shoot Someone
    No! No! Bad thought! After all. . .

    14. When I Was Just a Baby, My Momma Told Me, “Son, Always be a Good Boy, Don’t Ever Play with Guns”
    But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

    Of course, it’s obvious that the cause of gun crime isn’t guns; it’s the fact that we live in a society where the poorest people are crammed into crummy inner-city neighborhoods and people get so fed up with all the bureaucratic bullshit they flip out on bullet-shooting sprees. Take away the guns, and they’ll probably just go on thumbtack-and-Bic-pen-stabbing sprees.

    • Bear

      Way to go! Too funny. : )

    • Robert Smith

      But then again there is the issue of CHOICE in America. You choose to own a gun, others choose some currently illegal drugs, others choose abortion.

      Why do you get YOUR choice and then advocate that others shouldn’t have theirs?

      We are all Americans. But, it seems the right just wants THEIR choices and the hell with everyone else.

      Seems to me if you want your choices respected you should respect the choices of other Americans.

      Rob

      • ValDM

        Robert,
        Your argument is specious at best. Let’s look at the whole picture : abortion may be legal, but it’s morally reprehensible, which leads to moral bandruptcy. To equate abortion with guns is more than quite a stretch; it’s a leap of logic without even touching down. Now let’s go on with your argument. Illegal drugs? The fact that you quote illegal drugs in your argument says right off the bat, that you really have no argument, but that you like to spew. feel better since you spewed?

        • Robert Smith

          From ValDM: “To equate abortion with guns is more than quite a stretch; it’s a leap of logic without even touching down. Now let’s go on with your argument. Illegal drugs?”

          Those who are against guns are just as opposed to them as you are to abortion.

          Until we respect the wishes of each other and the fact that freedom is for ALL Americans there will always be some who want to deny the rights of others.

          Who is anyone to deny another in a FREE America? For example, what does any abortion or (if legal) drug involvement have to do with you? Certainly your gun can hurt another, but someone else having a joint in front of a fireplace after a romantic dinner is certainly not a threat to you.

          I find it sad that your willingness to oppress others AND combine it with the implied threat of your gun that you call yourself an American.

          Rob

          • JC

            I’m in patrial agreement with you, however saying that my gun can hurt someone is ridiculous on its face. My gun is a paperweight until someone picks it up with murder in their heart and uses it to commit a crime. Until then it is a dead piece of steel no different than a hammer ot a steak knife. Both of which, by the way are just as deadly.

            If guns kill people, why don’t they go to jail?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Again, IF GUNS KILL PEOPLE,THEN THE SPOON MADE ROSIE FAT!!!!

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith writes:
            “Until we respect the wishes of each other and the fact that freedom is for ALL Americans there will always be some who want to deny the rights of others.”

            And what of the rights of the children? You would see them die rather then to breath free? Are you trying to claim they are not Americans?

        • Vicki

          Robert abortion is a choice. So is murder. The only difference is the age of the victim.

          A woman DOES have the right to choose what to do with her own body. When she chooses to have sex she has chosen.

          Some stupid liberal will bring up rape so I will cover that now.

          The punishment for forcible rape is typically 5 years to life and is generally much closer to 5 years in most cases.

          So the actual criminal has to spend 5 or so years in jail and the most innocent victim (the child) gets the death penalty? How stupid is that?

      • Jay

        robert, you’re such a putz!

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “But then again there is the issue of CHOICE in America. You choose to own a gun, others choose some currently illegal drugs, others choose abortion.

        Why do you get YOUR choice and then advocate that others shouldn’t have theirs?”

        You just advocated denying people the choice to live and then ask a question like that? What were you thinking?

    • 45caliber

      I have no problems with men becoming homosexuals – since I’m not. That leaves a lot more women for me to console …

      • Raggs

        :) :)

      • Robert Smith

        Actually it evens out, 45. I used to think like you. You seem to miss the fact that lesbians are out and about too. So, it kinda evens out.

        Now, a bi-sexual woman! There is a chance for a lot of threesomes.

        Rob

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wild Bill

    In Australia they say a gun for protection is not an excuse to own one. In California to get a CCW permit, self protection is not a good excuse either.

    Then I guess when they want you to go die in wars they start, you need not take a gun with you as protection is not an excuse.

    And all police should not carry one, as they do not have an excuse either. What would be their reply on this one. Might need one to enforce J walking or speeding tickets, maybe a bad guy might have a gun.

    If the police need one, I need one, as they work for us.

    There no life worth more than your own.

    WB

    • Bear

      Wild Bill,
      Interesting point about the need to protect ones person. It use to be that the Bobbies in London did not carry guns. This was the British attempt to let the criminals know that they didn’t need one either. That all blew apart when the criminals figured out that a few years in the pen for their crimes wasn’t desirable and they not only started carrying guns but actually began using them. When the British Government found out, much to their distress, that a criminal would actually kill one of their Bobbies, they figured out that maybe, just maybe, they should start arming the Bobbies, which they do today. Could that decision be for the purpose of self protection for their Bobbies? Anyone, in this day and time, who says that “self protection” is not a justifiable reason to carry a gun is frickin nuts. Also, I’m sooooooo much like Uncle Ted. My Constitution and Bill of Rights IS my right to carry…….and all of the rights of freedom are God given, not man given. Ban politicians, not guns.

      • 45caliber

        The U.S. is one of the few countries of the world that allows self-defense as a justification for shooting someone. Most countries, including those in Europe, do not.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bear,
        Dam right! Ban politicians and encourage statesmen!!!

      • Robert Smith

        From Bear: “and all of the rights of freedom are God given, not man given.”

        What did you miss about “We The PEOPLE?”

        Your brutal god had NOTHING to do with the beginnings of America.

        Rob

        • Vicki

          What did you mist about the fact that your rights do NOT come from us. We might just take them away from liberals.

          Your rights come from your Creator. We, The People, banded together to form a union and government to protect your rights even from our occasional desire to take them from you.

        • Bear

          Robert,
          I didn’t miss a damn thing. “We the people” are the first three words of the preamble to the Constitution. What did you miss about “and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among those are Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness”? It says that “we hold these truths to be self evident.” That comes from the second paragraph of our Declaration of Independence. You’d better read that one too. In fact, I suggest you start by reading every document of our liberties before you shoot at anyone. Endowed by our creator is an affirmation that our rights to our freedoms come from our creator, and just in case you are as ignorant about that subject too, that creator would be God. Can you put that all together? And, as for your illiterate reamark about “my brutal God had nothing to do with the creation of America”, for your information, he had everything to do with the creation of EVERYTHING. The very foundation of the creation of the Republic was based our belief in God and the continuing prayer for his continued blessings. I believe you can affirm this fact by merely reading what is written on our currency. It says something about “In God We Trust.”

          • Robert Smith

            Fro jopa: “That comes from the second paragraph of our Declaration of Independence.”

            A letter written to a despot who whas killing born Americans. (at least those who’s surviers became Americans.

            They are two different documents.

            And, you still can’t quote your christian god’s bible babble in the Constitutuion.

            Rob

    • 45caliber

      When you come down to it, why does an enviornment inspector need a gun? Or a Fish and Game Commission member? Or those of many other agencies? Yet most have permission to carry as part of their duties. Only the private citizens are forbidden to carry one – when they can get away with it.

    • Robert Smith

      From Bill: “There no life worth more than your own.”

      You don’t have any kids, do you bill?

      BTW, I have my permit in MA for “any legal purpose” and it is legal to defend yourself in MA.

      Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Sorry, that should be “lawful”.

        Rob

  • Al Sieber

    We shouldn’t have to fight for any of our “God” given rights or pay any money to these criminal politicians. they can go to hell….

    • Bear

      And the sooner the better.

  • Raggs

    The citizens outnumber the politicains the politicians cannot control the citizens if we are armed… Isn’t that what this is about?

    • Bear

      Any government who fears its citizens will try to disarm them. Any government who has reason to fear its citizens is not serving its citizens. Any government which does not serve its citizens needs to be removed from power.

      • 45caliber

        You are correct. And that typifies our own government right now.

        • Bear

          BINGO!

      • JC

        Exactly. A government that does not trust its citizens with arms, can not itself be trusted.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wild Bill

    NOTE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION, ABOUT RIGHT OF PROTECTION.

    CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
    ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

    SECTION (1) All people are by nature free and independent and have
    inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and
    liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing
    and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

    SECTION (4) Nothing in this subdivision supersedes or modifies any
    provision of this Constitution, including the guarantees that a
    person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due
    process of law, or denied equal protection of the laws, as provided
    in Section 7.

    I DO NOT THINK JUDGES OR THE ELECTED PERSON IN CALIFORNIA CAN READ. HOW DO DEFEND YOUR SELF, WITH A WET NOODLE? SO, AGAIN WHY ARE THE POLICE CARRYING GUNS IN CALIF., IF THE CITIZEN CAN’T. THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE, IF YOU CAN’T.

    IF THE POLICE CAN SHOW THEY HAVE AN EXCUSE TO CARRY, THEN THE CITIZEN CAN USE THE SAME ONE. SEC.(4 )”or denied equal protection of the laws”

    WB

    • JeffH

      Wild Bill, not sure where you are from, but currently you can open carry an unloaded gun, where legal in California and if you have a CCW permit can carry a concealed weapon. Of course there is constant assaults on gun rights by our liberal legislators and currently there is one bill in particular, Assembly Bill 144, which would ban open carry.

      • Vicki

        JeffH writes:
        “currently you can open carry an unloaded gun.”

        And just how useful is that?

        • MICPL

          Missed one other thing. What good is permission to carry concealed with the permit if they give the permit to almost nobody, never for the purpose of self-defense, and refuse to respect the licenses from any other states?

        • JeffH

          Vicki, I’d guess it all depends on how quickly you can load it…California legislators are even trying to ban open carry right now.

  • jopa

    Jay; I was reading some of your list why you hate guns so much and I think you are the exception.Most liberals I know we love to hunt and have plenty of weaponry.Do you live in some city like environment or what is the reason for all this fear?Perhaps you need professional help to alleviate your fears because it really is a great country we live in and everyone should be able to go out and enjoy all it has to offer.There may be hope for you.

    • ValDM

      I have never known a liberal gun owner……that would be an oxymoron.

      • Bear

        I own a gun shop and do know a few liberals who own guns. I frequently engage them in conversations that require a degree of logic and they become somewhat defensive. I personally believe these few individuals purchase guns in spite of their mainline anti-gun liberal beliefs. Perhaps they want some equal footing if the s–t hits the fan.

      • JC

        I’ve never know a Liberal gun owner either. But given what I DO know, I wouldn’t hunt with one as I value my life. ;)

        • JeffH

          JC, I’d just make sure the liberal was always in frot of me.

          • JC

            And wearing the “Lucky Deer Antler Hat” ;)

          • Bear

            The sign of a healthy mind is a good sense of humor. Way to go JC.

      • Robert Smith

        Actually lots of folks around here have used “liberal” as an insult but as a former NRA instructor and a person who has a carry permit in MA I can guarantee that not all “liberals” are anti-gun.

        Too bad you guys can’t catch onto the notion that ALL Americans should be equal under law. By your rules gays can’t marry, and women can’t control their own bodies.

        Think about it… Why should they respect your rights if you don’t respect theirs? Do you have ANY good reasons that aren’t religiously based?

        Rob

        • Vicki

          Robert Smith writes:
          “By your rules gays can’t marry, and women can’t control their own bodies.”

          Of course gays can marry. They can marry any woman that would have them. Women can control our own bodies. When we do we keep our legs crossed.

          Btw on the subject of marriage. It is really a religious issue and should be totally removed from the government lexicon. Then there wouldn’t be any issue if 2 men want to form a domestic partner ship. They can call it what they want. That is between them and their Creator. Same goes for women. Same goes for 3somes. (Oh dear I better be careful. Someone might think I’m a liberal :) )

          • Robert Smith

            Viki says: ” It is really a religious issue and should be totally removed from the government lexicon.”

            There are many christians who perform same sex marriages.

            Bishop Spong for one.

            It seems your “god hates fags” kind of christanity is on the fringe.

            Rob

    • independant thinker

      jopa, as usual you are clueless. That was a very funny bit of satire.

      • JC

        A healthy sense of humor is a symptom of intelligence.
        Jopa doesn’t get it. See what I mean? :)

    • Jay

      jopa, you can read?

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wild Bill

    WHAT EVER STATE YOU LIVE IN, CHECK YOUR CONSTITUTONAL LAWS. SEE WHAT RIGHTS YOU HAVE.

    ANY ELECTED PERSON HAS TOBE BONDED. MANY TIME THEY ARE NOT, AND THIS MEANS THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY IN OFFICE, AND ARE COMMITTING A CRIME STAYING IN OFFICE, AND COLLECTING A SALARY. CHECK YOUR LAWS AND SEE IF THE JUDGE IS BONDED AND ALL ELECTED PEACE OFFICERS. IF CONVICTED OR ARRESTED BY A NON BONDED JUDGE OR PEACE OFFICERS IS VOID.

    FOR FINDING MISSING MONEY. http://WWW.NAUPA.ORG ALL STATES AND CANADA. LOOK FOR ALL FAMILY (LIVE OR DEAD) MEMBERS, START WITH LAST NAME ONLY, IF YOU PUT IN IT ALL SOMETIMES IT WILL NOT COME.

    WB

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wild Bill

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4sZ2A04GrY

    CORRECT HOME DEFENCE. CALL 911 LATER :-)

    • Robert Smith

      When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

      Rob

  • 45caliber

    This is simply an attempt to prevent the poor from owning guns. It is something that has been around for at least 70 years that I’m aware of. None of the rich trust the poor with weapons.

    • JC

      Send Bloomberg to live in Israel.
      But respect his morality and deny him a gun there.

      • 45caliber

        I’d prefer to send him to live in Iran – without a gun too.

        • JC

          Even better.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          45caliber,
          Just send him just south of the Texas border. won’t cost as much and same outcome!!! We’re trying to CUT spending, remember???

  • JeffH

    NY City and the Blustery Gloomberg’s only reason to charge these excessive fees is to further his and his M.A.I.G. anti-gun agenda…plain and simple. Gloomberg will end up using NY taxpayer money to fight and lose in litigation.

    “The lawsuit claims that the annual fee “impermissibly burdens the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms,” as well as violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.”

    Nuff said!

    • JC

      The guy is a Globalist certainly and a Zionist possibly. Either way he is an enemy of the Constitution and therefore America.

      • JeffH

        We’re 100& in tune on that JC.

      • Jay

        Shoot him first!

  • 357 in AZ

    I vote with 45caliber: “send him to live in Iran – without a gun” but be sure that he’s wearing his Star of David.

    • Raggs

      Could send obama over there but he would blend in.

  • JimH

    $340 for a hand gun permit? That is the price of a good .22 cal hand gun. The price of the gun to be permited to exercise YOUR constitutional right? What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED are they having trouble with? $340 seems to be an infringment to me.
    What’s next a newspaper permit?(freedom of the press)

    • Raggs

      well… you will need a permit to grow a tomato lest you go to jail.

      Forget about using the bathroom or taking a bath…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Raggs,
        When you DO, Flush twice, it’s a long way to DC!!!!

  • dave

    GOD, GUTS, & GUNS made this country free, and you can bet your whiney homo anti abortion asses we will need ALL THREE to take it back!

  • Ridge Runner

    When the government is trying to stop you from raising a garden for food to feed your family you can bet there is skulldugery A FOOT.what reason can you think of except to starve you to death. What reason to take your protection(guns) except to make you defenceless aginst their abuses and take over and change our way of life. the liberal socialist have been gradualy enroaching their way into our government and the people have been asleep.Its way past time to wake and take our freedoms back. You zombies had better get your head on straight and tell these misbegotton sobs where to head to.DON”T TREAD ON ME.

  • Jay

    Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez 23 and Enrico Garza 26, probably believed they would easily overpower a home alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two story home.

    It seems the two crooks never learned two things, they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father’s room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

    Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buck shot from the 11 year olds knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

    It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun.

  • dl johnson

    The Constitution names $20 as the amount that allows access to federal court – therefore the tax is excessive. Money to the Government is the definition of tax, that includes fees required by law.

    The Second Amendment is not your right to keep and bear Arms – that is in the Ninth Amendment – the Second is a prohibition on the Government infringing ( remember the $20 named ) the keeping and carry of the weapons of war ( the only definition of the capitalized ‘Arms’ ). This is made very clear in the preamble to the Bill of Rights.

    The Sullivan Law is a product of the criminal gang that controlled New York in the late 1800′s and is contrary to the Constitution as is the federal acts of 1934, 1968, 1986 and 1994 as well as most of the duties of the BATF. The purpose of the Sullivan Law was the persecution of the political opposition by planting guns on them.

    The Constitution lists 18 duties of Congress, tolerates other things for 1 year (2 for the Army)(the supremacy clause). Free speech is listed separately from the BoR for Congress BUT a vote is not speech and a vote to breach the Constitution is a High Crime.

    Unfortunately we have about 150 years of custom to overcome and the self interest of most people currently employed by the Government. They seem to believe they are the direct representatives of God (secular humanism – the state religion).

    keydl

    • James

      Dl johnson, You are right about the Second Amendment not actually being the right, but the federal gun acts you mentioned were enacted in that period when the Supreme Court held that the “militia clause” limited federal infringement to militia-type weapons. In D.C. v. Heller (2008), the Court held that the amendment’s restriction now applies to all types of weapons.

  • jopa

    Guns are great until they get in the hands of fools like Dickhead Chaney and then our health care costs begin to rise.

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