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NY Governor To Push For Renewed Talks Over Proposed Islamic Center

August 23, 2010 by  

NY governor to push for renewed talks over proposed Islamic centerThe conflict over the controversial NYC Islamic center — to be located just blocks from Ground Zero — is showing no signs of abating. In the latest development, New York Governor David Paterson said he would meet with the developers to discuss the possibility of relocating the project, which many opponents say offends the sensibilities of the relatives of the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

"We are working with the developers on a staff level but there have not been any formal discussions between the governor and imam or developer," said Paterson’s spokesman Morgan Hook. However, he added that the governor’s team hopes to schedule a meeting "in the near future."

This remains to be seen, since a representative of the developer, SoHo Properties, has already gone on record saying the sponsors of the mosque had no plans to relocate the project.

Meanwhile, The Council on American-Islamic Relations has urged members of the Muslim community in America to report any harassment of worshippers during the month of Ramadan. It stems from recent incidents in which protesters targeted mosques in California, Connecticut and Virginia.

"Special emphasis should be placed on developing a positive working relationship with local law enforcement authorities and government officials who may be contacted if protesters go beyond the Constitutionally-protected right to free speech in a public area," the Washington, D.C.-based civil rights organization said.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19927517-ADNFCR

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  • s c

    Governor Paterson would do well to do his best to convince Muslims and NYC’s #1, idiot, pc Mayor Bloomberg to do more than ‘consider’ a different site for the new mosque. This is not a religious freedom issue. This is a common sense issue.
    Appeasers in America need to be seen for the two-faced slime they are. Muslims who think they can dictate terms out of a sense of American ‘guilt’ might as well pack up and relocate to another country. That is their ‘right.’
    Those who are not willing to assimilate should be told what they can do with their ‘demands.’ This is America. This is not a Muslim nation that caters to the whims of those who seek protected status.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      All I can say is Amen to that!!!!

      • Jana

        You are so right. The Muslims have not been persectued because of their religious affiliations, they have not been told they cannot worship as there are already 100 Mosques all over Manhattan. That is religious freedom.

        They want us to be tolerant of them and their needs and we have been. It is now time for them to be sensitive and tolerant of our needs too. This is what causes peace and healing, give and take on both sides.

        So far it is always us who have been giving. They have foot washing basins in the Air Port and a room for them to go pray. They have these same facilities at most colleges now, and they tell the Christians that we cannot mention the name of our Lord or even pray before we eat, as we might ‘offend’ someone. There is no religious freedom for us, but since they demand it, they get it.

        I am not saying that they shouldn’t have religious freedom, I am saying we should all have religious freedom, but at this point and time we don’t.

        Again, now we are asking them show us a little tolerance and respect and honor our wishes on this.

        • Paul

          A Religion is a political organization. The main goal of it’s leaders is to gain power over the population and develop a dictatorship. One party or religion system.

          • Jana

            Some are. some are not.

      • Wayne

        I say say amen to this comment. I think they just want to poke us in the eye by wanting to build at this location. They have almost taken over France and England, now I guess they are starting to take over in our country also since they can use our own Costitution again us. Just think, the City of New York changed their ordinance just so this idiot of a Mayor could run for his third term. I guess this is the pay back their getting from this creepy mayor.

    • HFlashman

      So a private property owner has garnered permits to build a religious center. All legal. And you guys want to have the government stop it. And pray tell, where does this slippery slope stop? How far away is far enough? Fer chrissakes, it isn’t even within sight of the WTC !

      Aside from those salient facts…think about how protesting the situs of a legally permitted building and activity for nothing more than a religious basis looks to the world. Just what the heck have we been fighting for in Iraq and Afghanistan? And how does this look as a recruitment poster for the Taliban and alQaeda?

      Bunch of nimrods … fear and hate, that’s the basis for this opposition…fear and hate. Just like terrorists, nothing less than tearing down the Constitution and what this Nation has stood for will suffice. Jeesh …

      • sue

        I guess you would be happy if we just hand our country over to this crazy Muslim invasion and Sharia law, right? They are using our own Constitution against us. They don’t care about America for heavens sake, just using the “appearance” that their free speech is being infringed to get their way and advance their cause. When these reasonable and peace-loving people agree we can build churches in Mecca maybe I’ll see the “wisdom” of your argument.

        • HFlashman

          Fear and hate Sue…that is what is ruling your thoughts. Fear and hate. And in letting fear and hate run those thoughts, you are unwittingly an accomplice in forwarding the goals of terrorists…the destruction of this Nation as we knew it pre Bush.

          • Brad


            You sir are the one spreading the hate on this cite, sure we want the mosgue moved because we believe the muslums building the mosque are being insensative to NYC and the citizens of the US. It was Islamist extremists who flew hijacked aircraft into both towers and the Islamist world cheered their exploits. So my friend take your poison filled hate some place else, we don’t want it, all we want is a free America w/secure borders and honest politicians (highly unlikely) to guide us into the future.

            Muslums believe in the Quran (which hasn’t been updated since it’s inception) sharia is their law and which governs their day to day dealings with believers and non-believers. Islam is tolitarian which means they only have one form governence, mainly a spiritual leader or dictator or ruling family. All you have to do is look at the different muslim country’s and see who rules which answers the question. The next question is, what religion is practiced, Islam 100% with a few exeptions that allow other religions but they have very few rights and have been ridiculed, beaten, killed, all because they believe in another religion. Know you call Islam a peaceful religion when they believe in honor killings, stoneing a woman who has been raped or accused there of, there are so many things wrong with islam it’s hard to believe but it’s true all of it. You are buying into their garbage, you are the fool.

          • Jana

            Brad, you are so right, and thank you for putting it so well.

          • airangel

            @HFlash…it has nothing to do with Fear and Hate and everything to do with honor, respect and integrity…building this Mosque is a farce in disquise as “Freedom of Religion”…there are mosques all over the United States…this location is a statement…most decent muslims do not care where it’s built and in fact it would be easier for them to get to a different location than downtown NYC…This is all Politics!

        • JoAnn Petitta

          The True message of Muhammad which Muslims living in the West are trying to hide through Taqiyya!

          The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions and truth!

          “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

          We need to know the Quran and then let their words be our guide… make no mistake they are out to dominate and control under the guise of Freedom of Religion, our rights and our country, we are already accommodating them in schools across the nation, but we can not mention God. I for one am tired of the BS, of those that think this is a religion, it is not!! It is a guise to mask the murderous intent, not just on us “the infidels” but even under Sharia Law, which is part of their so called religion and they want us to be compliant to it, that means we will allow stoning’s, cutting of noses, rapes, honor killings! Yea, let us try that under the same guise and see what happens.

          • Mondovibe


          • Gregor

            Your right on the money. It is important for Americans to understand the ongoing shift in the spreading of Islams ‘Sharia’ into America’s system of laws and communities now. Their mosques are often used for progaganda purposes and recruitment. Most Americans don’t know that HAMAS is already well-established in Tijuana, Mexico. They’ve been there for years now. I don’t have to spell out what that implies. HAMAS has just joined with FATAH (PLO) in Palestine, and are already causing major problems, at the Israeli border areas. No good will come of it [.] Keep a jaundiced eye out for Islamic activities in your communities, that run contrary to Americas underpinnings and value system. Europe & America are their targets, as a number of European nations know full well by now. Don’t forget it and DON’T FORGET 9/11.

        • Mondovibe

          Here’s a reasonable discussion:

        • viktor leben


          People who don’t want Sharia Law should just leave NYC. Those who want the mosque should just stay. Let NYC collapse economically ….

          • Jackie

            to viktor leben…
            thank God that ‘Sharia’ Law is still illegal in OUR country. Things like STONING TO DEATH are called MURDER in the United States of America. how RETARDED do we have to be to believe that it [Sharia law] will EVER be allowed in the USA…oops, sorry, you have already showed us HOW retarded someone needs to be to BELIEVE that.

            we already HAVE a series of Laws that have done quite well in caring for the Citizens of this country. BTW…they ARE compatable with the Constitution, Sharia dictates AREN’T and as i stated before, most of the dictates of Sharia ‘law’ are still illegal in this country. I , personally, pray that i may never see the day when we need to ‘obey’ any such backward,regressive,repressive and uninformed ‘laws’…

      • Marilyn

        Your remarks make me uneasy about your values. You say this is about fear and hate. You’re darn right I am cautious of Muslims but I do not hate Muslims. They have their place in their society back in their homeland. Why did some Muslims leave their homeland? War, terror, no Human Rights…? How many Judo-Christian Churches will you find in Mecca? None. So, why is it important to build yet another Mosque near Ground Zero? It is not a Christian Church! It isn’t about the American Constitution, believe me. Hiding behind Obama’s words that Freedom of Religion extends to Muslims’ Victory Mosque is poppycock. Muslims are not religious in the manner that Americans believe to be “religious.” Muslims follow the Quran and breathe, live and die by the Quran. Human Rights are ignored, especially for Muslim women. Sharia Law will no doubt be brought into the picture very shortly and Americans are supposed to abide by that type of “Law?” I don’t think so. The United States has come a long way from the Black slavery, Palastine slavery, lack of Human Rights. Why would we go back to that kind of madness? You see, it is not just the Victory Mosque but what Muslims truly believe and practice that causes Americans much grief. It is touted that the Victory Mosque will be a healing of the people. If you believe that, I can sell you an orange and convince you it’s an apple. Will we be able to carry our Bibles into the Mosque? Can I wear my bikini when I visit the grand inside swimming pool that is to built within the Mosque area? I think not. No, the Mosque is not about Freedom of Religion. It is going to be placed near Ground Zero to honor another Muslim accomplishment. The actual Honor lies in the fact that after 9/11, Americans want retribution for the 3000 dead,not a Muslim Victory Mosque! If you call “retribution” hate, think about the 3000 dead and the many businesses and Churches that were destroyed by 9/11. There is much difference in retribution and hate. Fear was felt at first, but that also brought out the American zeal to hunt down the guilty Muslims and actually destroy them. There is no fear or hate. Real Americans stand up to any bully.

      • Lubo

        Ole Hlashman!!! WARNING!!!! DO NOT RESPOND! This is a brain dead progressive! You may be putting your Love for GOD and COUNTRY at RISK!

        All jokes aside, there you go again ole Flashman! Calling your fellow Americans “TERRORISTS” just because we are not “PC” so the rest of the WORLD will like us!………….Pathetic!…..You keep your head in the sand buddy! You actually THINK that ISLAM is a Religion?????? One that condons MURDER of innocent people???? Come again??? They have WHAT rights under our constitution??? We are at WAR with these murderous idiots!!!

    • refuse2lose

      I think we need to call the talking heads from Fox onto the carpet and find out why one of their primary owners is funding the mosque. Beck and Hannity have spent entire programs talking about how horrible the idea of Park51 is,while all this time one of their employers is helping pay for it.

      • Jana

        If you are talking about Prince Awaleed bin Talal, he only has 7% interest in Fox. I looked it up. That is hardly a MAJOR interest. It probably is major money, but not a controlling factor in any sense of the word. Thank goodness.

        • HFlashman

          7% is the threshold before the SEC requires a full disclosure of ownership. I would wager he has more than 7% when you add in hidden control of other shares (i.e coroprate shieldings).

          But it’s off point. Fact of the matter is…it’s a private landowner who has proper permits. If you deny private landowners a legal use because you disagree with the use…when does it stop?

          BTW…a use which ISN’T WITHIN SIGHT OF THE WTC !

          • Jana


            Several years back a private land owner named Bod Hope was going to sell his land for development. The community came out against it very strongly and Bob Hope changed his mind. NOT because the Gov’t. made him do it, but because it was in great disfavor with the community. Bob Hope wanted peace and good will for his name sake back.

            The Muslims say they want to bring peace and unity here. Let them prove it by being sensitive to the wishes of the greater community.

          • alpha-lemming

            BUT…. it was damaged to the point of being condemned by 9-11 airliner debris. If that doesn’t make it a ground-zero sight, I don’t know what would.

          • Jana

            A five block radius should be considered ground zero. These people couldn’t get back into their buildings for quite awhile after 911.

          • Bob from Socal

            Islam is not a term referring to peace but to submission. When Islam becomes a religion of peace I may begin to believe what they have to say. Let them lead by example. So far all I see from Islam around the world, especially in countries controlled by Islam, is death and hatred.

          • Lubo

            Jana…..The ole flashman will not understand your comments because “Progressives” have no reagard for the WISHES of the peoples. They proved that when they passed this DUMB OBAMACARE in the senate through reconciliation with a 51 vote “SIMPLE” majority. Go Figure! So much for the republic!

          • tg7357

            Legal landowners are denied the ‘right’ to use their own land as they see fit all the time. Especially if they want to violate zoning laws, create eyesores or build things that might be considered dangerous to other landowners (like dams, creating hazardous dumps or toxic holding ponds). There are rules, even for landholders. Neighborhoods protest landuse around their homes for proposed zoning changes (industrial, commercial, etc) all the time. So it isn’t just a matter of what the person who owns the land wants to do with it.

      • airangel

        Believe it or not, Beck and Hannity are also controlled with how much they are allowed to talk about. Always follow the money trail. All the major stations are controlled. Fox is allowed to play Devil’s advocate for ratings and enjoyment. It will be a sad day when everyone but American own America. We will have NO say. The Pharoahs will be in charge and we will all be slaves!

      • Jan

        So far they only have $18,000 to fund this. It appears this is all about manipulating NY to give them the land and help finance it as a concessiosn to move it.

        And the writer who said this is about fear and hate is half right — this is definitely about fear. They intend to Islamize the US from the inside using our laws against us. READ “THE MUSLIM MAFIA” if you want to feel fear — book based on documented facts.

    • RoyfromKs

      The Governor, Paterson, needs to stand his ground. Mayor Bloomberg is trying to play both sides of the fence! Could cost him his job, but he doesn’t need the money anyway! When you find out who the contractor is N.Y. people need to boycott his company wherever they do business. They should follow the wishes of the majority instead of the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR! It’s so simple to move it before it’s built! These Mosque are where the terrorist operate from anyway! We’ll still have to monitor every thing they do or we’ll be hit again! Especially while this administration is in office. When the Moslem men change their ways, I’ll think more of them.

    • Lubo

      SC….Well said! Islam is not a religion anyway, it is a murderous ideolgy, therefore it gets no equal protection under OUR constitution.

      In fact, their sharia law is mutually exclusive to OUR LAWS!!! Our law is based upon the Bible and the other is based upon the “False” religion. This is you typical radical ideology that has many things in common with marxism, black liberation theology, progressive-socialism, etc etc etc. In other words, disagree with their ideology and BAD things may happen. As in, within the Islamic faith, infidels are KILLED!!! I wonder how that will work within our system? We already have these progressive-thugs in America who think that if you disagree with them then you are a terrorist. That’s how radical ideologies work!

      Folks, the Nation of Islam is the single most largest threat that this nation faces and you better wake up and wake up SOON!

    • Hugh Jordin

      This video sums it up beautifully. It’s worth taking a few minutes to watch this video that plainly states how we should feel about this atrocity, and he sheds some interesting light on the Islamization of Europe as well. It’s only a few minutes long. Please take a look.

      It takes a Brit to put into words what we should be saying.

      Pat Condell is a British stand-up comedian, but this video isn’t comic, it’s pure truth, and utterly brilliant.

    • ED

      Darn straight , theese muselems think they are going to get shirea law here, and run the good ol U S A me thinks not, not while I`m still breathing, as far as I am concerned they can ALL pack up and go back to what ever sand pile they came from. Putting a mosque would be the ultimate insult to the country they so badly want to be part of
      [yah right, they want to take over the infidels] hey I represent that remark I am without a doubt the biggest infidel going

    • Audre Zembrzuski

      This is to S C, I agree with you all the way. It is too bad that
      Mayors and Governors are being paid off for this one. We all read
      between the lines and they know it is wrong to build it there. I will
      always remember being in a doctors office and a nurse coming out and
      yelling look at what is going on. Everyone froze. This was not our
      America, things like that don’t happen, but yes it did. And it is
      time that the Mayor of New York really knew why he was put in office,
      not to take pay offs. That is a place of rememberance and it always
      will be. Vote against the Mosque — how many do they really need in
      New York anyway.

  • sue

    I hope the Council on American-Islamic Relations is as concerned about OUR (non-Muslim) right to free speech as it is the Muslims. Don’t think so.

  • James

    What ever happened to majority rules? Put it to a vote.

    • Bob

      Do you think anyone would go to the polls just to vote on this assinine issue. Get a life.

      • airangel

        It’s not assinine…give an inch and they take a mile…it’s pure and simple…INFILTRATION. Divide and conquer from within. Our battle is from within, not abroad…Did you know the location of this Mosque is NOT even convenient for most muslims to get to the site and pray 5x a day. It will cost them time and money to get to this location. IF it were truly about FREEDOM OF RELIGION, prayer, a peace-loving gathering place, they would build to suit their people and make it convenient for them…AMERICANS NEED TO WAKE-UP and STOP BEING SO IGNORANT!

        • Bob

          Most of them pray at their workplace. Would you rather they all pray in public parks. Nobody could stop that.

          • airangel

            They have hundreds of mosques to pray in. this mosque is not even convenient for them to travel too. It’s a statement, it’s political and they DID NOT RAISE MILLIONS for their prayer center. The MILLIONS (7 MILLION) is being funded – common sense says “there’s something fishy going on here”…JUST SAY NO! IT’S AMERICA, NOT IRAN OR SAUDIA ARABIA!

          • Lubo

            Bob….Who is paying for their prayer time while at work?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I think there are more that would vote on it than you think. there are a great many people like myself that vote on what ever comes up as it is our DUTY to vote, EVERY TIME!!!!

        • Patricia Smith

          They are here with the help of our Government. They will OUTBREED us and the illegals very soon and then demand THEIR rights under our Constitution. If some of us are concerned now, just wait a few years (when it’s too late) and see how you feel. Most likely you and I will have a lot more company and less rights.

      • tg7357

        In all fairness, the people of New York city SHOULD be allowed to vote on wheater they agree with this or not. Its THEIR city, after all.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          with 67% of the people polled against it, do you think they’re gonna let them vote on it?!?!?!?

      • Audre

        Bob, you must not vote very often, you would be surprised how people
        will come out to vote for a cause.

  • Elaine D

    Well, I suggest that this Iman be told how much the taxes will be on this property and stick to it as the Muslims are all tax free because they dont believe in taxes. How about that??? I dont believe in taxes either but gollee I still have to pay them.
    Next, I would just hand them a refund check they may have paid and say we dont need any more mosques in NYC. Goodby and rebuild on what you already have.
    Yes, they ARE trying to take over our country and this needs to be stopped immediately by stopping this building of another mosque as a first step.
    Remember their Koran? Well, they have no respect for our Bible.

    • Jim H.

      This is more than just an issue of religious rights. They could build that Mosque any where. Why are they so insistent that it be there. No one is saying that they can’t have a place to worship, we prefer that it not be there. If I own the land around a Mosque, I would have the RIGHT to build a brewery, dog kennel, hog farm and strip joint around it.Just because we have a RIGHT, sometimes doesn’t make it right. Respect goes both ways and right now that Imam has shown no respect for the feelings of the rest people in that community.

      • Bob

        Who sold them this property? No one ever mentions them.

        • http://none Alex

          Why, the CAPITALISS, of course!!

        • tg7357

          Soho Properties, I think. Probably belongs to Bloomberg.

      • Mondovibe

        Check out:
        …. this seems a very reasonable discussion on interfaith efforts and has a recap of Newt Gingrich’s
        divisive attitude.

      • Lubo

        JIm H…..It is not a religion, it is an ideology, therefore it has no protection under our constitution. In other words, Sharia law is mutually exclusive to OUR LAWS under OUR constitution.

        This entire conversation would have been answered within seconds if we had any leadership with any brains whatsoever.

    • Mondovibe

      This seems a very reasonable discussion on interfaith efforts and has a recap of Newt Gingrich’s
      divisive attitude:

  • cfd007

    If these Muslims were on the up and up they would at least meet wouldn’t you think?

    • Brad

      Ya they will meet, just to tell you we don’t care what you think, we are going to build any way. So what’s the use trying to talk to them, they are going to do what they want needless to say.

      • Mondovibe

        Here is a very reasonable discussion on interfaith efforts:

        • Brad

          Islam is wrong, they don’t want inter faith, they want the world under one ideology.

          • Bob

            One of the biggest contributors is from Saudi Arabia. The fly in the ointment is he is part owner of Fox News.

  • Mondovibe

    Go to:
    …. this seems a very reasonable discussion on interfaith efforts and has a recap of Newt Gingrich’s
    divisive attitude.

    • Jana

      The only thing about Newt Gingrich in that piece was ” Newt Gingrich recently compared the center’s proximity to Ground Zero with the Nazis putting up a site next to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C.”

      Another quote is: “I am surprised that in America in 2010 racism and bigotry has found another face. Now it is against the Muslims,” said Ali Akram, a supporter of the proposed center.

      So now they are using the good old standby of racism.

      Again what we are asking for is the same thing they have asked of us and we have given, a little tolerance and sensitivity to our feelings on this matter.

      • Lubo

        Jana….The Islamic ideology has no tolerance, so we would be wasting our time. In other words, it is their way or you DIE! How could anyone not see this FAKE and Fraud cleverly cloaked in the MASK of “Religion”, that condons MURDER, just boggles the adult mind.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      How the hell many times you going to post the same site??? Give it a break!

  • http://SAMVP Ida Snow

    You are almost all ignorant hypocrits who cannot see past your noses.You scream and think you are being pushed or pulled and played in all directions by Moslems. While the real perpetrators are achieving their goal..The goal is to Hate Islamists, hate Moslems.. This is so corrupt you may never see the truth behind 911. or the Zionists, or their continued attempts to keep you all in such a hateful frenzy you do not allow yourself to think straight.In name of Jesus “God forgive us all, for our blindness.” wake up and see what these ever so corrupt are playing you all for.
    Heres an example of total disregard for others..For now their cause is to hate Muslims….. Israel bulldozes ancient Muslim graveyard in Jerusalem
    The team on Monday rampaged through graves in the ancient Jerusalem Maaman Allah cemetery, carrying on until Tuesday, the…onid=351020202

    Israel bulldozes Muslim graveyard
    Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:22:36 GMT

    Israeli workers use a bulldozer to destroy graves at the ancient Muslim cemetery, Maaman Allah.

    Israeli construction crew members bulldoze their way through a Muslim burial ground, reportedly removing hundreds of gravestones and injuring a protesting Arab.

    The team on Monday rampaged through graves in the ancient al-Quds (Jerusalem) Maaman Allah cemetery, carrying on until Tuesday, the Palestinian Ma’an news agency reported.

    “The destruction is related to the issue of renovation. The Israeli establishment does not want us to renovate the graves so it is destroying them,” said Mahmud Abu Atta of the Al-Aqsa Foundation for Endowment and Heritage, which is responsible for the oversight of Muslim religious sites, AFP reported.

    (A bulldozer hit and moderately injured Ali Abu Sheikha, a local sheikh, who had stood up to the act of desecration, Ma’an said.)

    The incident marked the most destructive of its kind since 2009, when 1,500 bodies were exhumed for the construction of the controversial Museum of Tolerance. The planned building is to be built by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a US-based Jewish human rights group.

    Alongside vast expanses of other Arab territories, Israel occupied al-Quds during full-fledged military operations in 1948.

    In 1967, the regime went on to annex the eastern part of the city, which is hailed as the capital of any potential Palestinian state, and later defied the international community’s condemnation of its act. They taunt, kill, occupy terrorize, deprive, Palestinians and want all the hatred for Muslems they can muster. Now are destroying ancient graves dating back to one of the greatest Prophets Mohammed.. This is Israel’s latest dirt, build a “Museum of Tolerance” on these Ancient graves..To make the fools think oh such a wonderful idea, we are so tolerant, meanwhile the palestine people are, supposed to take it. . Then you clowns you are upset about building a Place of worship on such a connived disgusting setup by your own President and his conspirators. No not a theory A friggin fact…just do your research. Sic sic sic. Stop protesting this Welcome it in name of peace and see what other shit these who play you will try to invent. Ask God to guide your conscience if you have one. Mohammed and Jesus were Prophets, not Zionists,__________________

    • airangel

      Moses was a prophet, Jesus was the son of God. Muhammed was a war monger and fear monger…Israel is surrounded by hatred and and anti-jew countries on every side. They can not expand out. Their citizens run every 30-33 minutes from rocket bombs launched from the Hamas terrorist in Palestine every day. How would you like to live like that every day? This imam is part of this HAMAS terrorist group funding and supporting this Mosque. The Saudi’s have funded over 33 mosques in the USA…probably more. I believe 11 more Muslim culture centers or going up in a coordinated effort, Roxbury, Portland, OR, NYC, (didn’t catch the others) but think about this effort people. Their main purpose is so SNUFF out Christianity. They just converted Bo Bergdolf (the captured American) into Islam after 2 years…convert or be killed is their motto! Muhammed reigned with fear tactics…Bottom line…do we want the suicide bombers, unsafe living and way of life as we’ve known it to turn into a Middle East War Zone because of the insanity of these Islamic Terrorists under Al Qaeda, Hamas and te Taliban??? 3 bombing attacks in the last 12 months and it will only get worse

      • Bob

        Airangel More Zionist propaganda

        • airangel

          I wish is were!

          • airangel

            You must live in a cave if you believe there are no radical Islamic agenda…look at all the problems Europe is having…it’s never enough to live amongst others peacefully..they want control

          • airangel


    • Jana

      Ida Snow,
      You are showing your hatred of Israel and Israelites.
      You WANT this to be about hatred because you hate. It is not. It is about tolerance on both sides. How come you can’t be tolerant too?

      • http://SAMVP Ida Snow

        Jana. I do not hate anyone.. but I hate what these horrible lying so called human beings have done and are still doing.. You cannot deny facts and facts are what I base my truth on.

        Read this… if you are willing to face the truth…Copy & paste this into google “

        If Americans Knew – what every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine.

        If Americans Knew is dedicated to providing Americans with everything they need to know about Israel and Palestine.

        • Claire

          Sorry, but some of the internet sites are just like the tv anchors, radio pundits, etc. Spread the hate around, keep it going. Keep the American public in absolute turmoil. Keep Americans fighting against one another. All in the name of politics.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Ida Snow,
          the Muslims have done just as much wrong if not more than the Israelis!!! Don’t be a fool for them!!

        • Rick

          Sorry to disappoint you. I have a friend I was acquainted with since I was a child (I am 58 now). He is living in Israel. I am getting the truth from him. One example of the Palestinians and Israelis: Israel gave the Gaza strip to the Palestinians about a year or so ago. They even pulled protesting Israelis out of their homes. How did the Palestinians respond? Not by saying thank you. They shelled them with more rockets! You give them an inch, and they will take a mile. There are many instances of Israelis giving in in hopes of obtaining peace. The Palestinians are the ones who want war. And FYI, it has been written long ago that you will know you are in the end times when people turn their backs on Israel.

    • dan az

      no offence but I would have built a pig farm above it!

    • Lubo

      Ida Snow……What?????…..Jesus was GOD in Human form, not a prophet. I would suggest getting off the spiritual milk and get mature in the Word of God through HIS Holly scriptures(THE BIBLE). Then and only then will you see ISLAM for what it really is…THE FALSE RELIGION which condons MURDER if you are a non-believer! ie.; INFIDEL!!!

      Are you Islamic? If not, I would be a little bit concerned.

  • James Hay

    It May Be Useless to try to stop the building of thE Ground Zero Mosque simply because Obama and the Liberals Are going to force this to be built Against the will of the american People as they ‘ve stoved Obamacare down our throats and all of their other crimes against the Rule Of Law And the American People. it may be fugile to protest what they have already set their minds to do regardless. if this Mosque is built it should be brought crumbling to the ground regardless of who may be in ti at the time. i believe we should be towards the Muslims as they are to us and, as disrepectful of their Cult as they are to the legitimate christian faiths. an eye for an eye and a tooth for an tooth.we should slaughter muslims like the muslims slaughter christians and Jews.who would miss this Garbage called Muslim(islam).in fact their absence from the world would be an gret improvement.

    • independant thinker

      If it does prove useless to protest and the mosque is built Someone should open a B-B-Q joint right accross the street serving only whole hog barbeque. The front windows should contain a lighted Cross and a lighted Star of David that are on 24/7/365.

  • s c

    My, oh my. So this is what a Palestinian apologist sounds like. Do you get paid the same rate as a progressive? I marvel at the language you people use, in trying to “persuade” others that YOU have all the answers.
    IS, do us a favor. Activate your passport and relocate to the Middle East. Some of those people need you there. You might even help build a mosque. You might somehow convince them that you actually care – if the price is right.
    And, thanks so much for grouping Christ and M in the same breath. Especially when you sound more like a hack politician than a LOVER OF PEACE. HACK!

  • Raggs

    Bin laden warned us he would destroy the US from within….

    Guess what folks…. He is doing a damm good job of just that, and may I mention that our government is his personel key in doing it!

  • Rennie

    David Paterson is a better man than Bloomburg, and defintely better than Coumo. If you stand so called conservatives or republicans up against Paterson, you have to wonder who the real democrat or republican is?

  • Sara

    Who let Helen “honker for a nose” in here? Funny, no one said a thing about Helen being Lebanese when she made those comments about the Jews and Israel. Hipocritical media!

  • Sara

    The left wing loons in this country will see a tea party like no other!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Unlike Andrew Cuomo, at least David Paterson deserves some credit for being right some of the time. He knows that the majority of New Yorkers don’t want this mosque next to Ground Zero of all places!! If you think about it….why would any Muslim want to build in an area in which they’re not wanted????? Likewise, it’s also true that the Constitution gives Muslims the right to build at Ground Zero…..BUT, the Constitution also gives them the right to build a mosque anywhere else. That includes next to the RINO mayor Bloomberg’s (upper East Side??) home, BHO’s Chicago home, and Nasty Pelosi’s San Francisco home. So why not build the mosque at one of these sites?? LOL!! Let’s see how quickly these phony hypocritical liberals put 4-sale signs on their homes!! LOL!!

    • airangel

      Some things in this country might be legal…doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. We’re spending tax dollars for this imam to preach peace and love in the Middle East and yet he will not negotiate a more convenient location for HIS people to gather and to keep “peace” in America…guess what? Peace is NOT their agenda nor is giving their flock a convenient, prayer center. (the location is hard to get to for most of the muslim community). This Mosque is a Statement, a trophy for the world to see that Muslims are conquering America and winning their WAR! Oh wouldn’t War Monger Muhammed be so proud of them? Conquer, destroy, rape, pillage — Woo Hoo! America – our biggest victory…that ought to be at least worth thousands of virgins! What a score!!! I can’t believe how ignorant many Americans are in their own little Me, me, me world! As long as I have my ipods and shopping malls and name brand appliances and “happy” pills, I’m OK and not affected!…Yeah until the next suicide bomb goes off on the subway to your shopping mall or you are shot from the 13th story of the Mosque!

      • Lon

        I fear that as the bleeding heart liberals carry on with their “politically correct” agenda, it plays right into the hands of the Muslims and our Muslim-supporting President. The Muslims have a world-wide long-term agenda to make planet earth populated entirely by Muslims. They are well on their way in Europe, Malaysia, etc., and now are closing in on America. I fear that there will some day be an armed uprising from within & if Barack Hussein (who had ‘Islam’ listed as his religion on his childhood school records) has his way, Americans will be disarmed by then and it will be a cake walk for Muslims armed with AK-47′s. Call it a conspiracy theory if you wish, but remember the sequence of scientific law – it starts out as “hypothesis,” moves on to “theory,” and finally becomes “law.” Watch out America! You have an insider Muslim at the helm. It is time to close the doors to America – we have been the “melting pot” for too long. The pot is boiling over. We need to “freeze” immigration for a while. Until we get our house in order.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Let them build it about 2 miles east of Long Island.

    • Christin

      Sounds like a great place gunner689.

      Hey guys, have you ever wondered how there got to be so MANY muslims in America? I mean they don’t like what America stands for and won’t assimulate or follow our LAWS, so why are they here? (I wouldn’t move there.) Any guesses… religious freedom… they already had that, prosperity… maybe, handouts… maybe, the desire to take down America… possibly.

      Go to

      There is a “presidential determination” [HB 1388] which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugee to move to, and live in the US at American taxpayer expense of $20,000,000.

      Sounds like “redistribution of wealth” already activated in a city near you. Thank a gov employee next time you see one.

      These muslims get a free ticket (well nothing’s free, citizens pay for it and we add it to the debt) replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhemlming support to the Islamic resistance Movement (Hamas).

      I don’t think this is new… I had heard a couple of years ago where the gov immigrated “somalian refugees” who are not Christian.

      I also got an e-mail “NYC City Streets” complete with pictures of muslims who took off their shoes, laid down their blankets and tarps in the middle of 42nd Street & Madison Avenue AND 94th Street & 3rd Avenue and stopped travel, business and commerce from 2 to 4 in the afternoon to pray to allah… PUBLICLY.

      Frankly, I don’t think any religion, even my own, should block traffic for two hours. How is this legal? Why is there not a uproar by New Yorkers, the businesses, and American citizens?

      It is scary that a Christian nation can not put up a Christmas scene of the baby Jesus in a public place, but the muslims can stop normal traffic every Friday afternoon by worhipping in the streets all the while blocking traffic.

      How is it that muslims seem to have more rights than the Christian or Jew American born citizens? Muslims aren’t forced to take/ pay for obamacare TAX. (I don’t want to either.) BO approves the building of the Ground Zero mosque. BO also appointed TWO DEVOUT MUSLIMS to Homeland Security… wow, I know I feel safer already, how about you.

      It makes me think there is something deeper going on here, isn’t there always. I think the “Elite Ruling Class” has done this by DESIGN.

      If the American Citizens scream loudly enough to the inequality of Muslims VS Christians/ Jews religious rights and the muslim intolerance of 9/11 Americans’ wounds in NY and nation wide, then gov will just have to step in and do what gov does best… over regulate and kill rights… and “BAN ALL open displays of religion”…

      HMMM, then we will be just one step closer to Godless Marxism.

      “For evil to flourish, all that is needed is for good people to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

      • http://?? Joe H.

        how does it seem muslims have more rights than Americans have?? Because we have one in the White House!!!!!

      • Lon

        You are “spot on!” Unfortunately, I live in one of the most liberal States second only to Mexifornia – Minnesota. I am surrounded by idiots! It is getting to the point where I see more Somali Muslims in robes than I do Americans – they own nearly all the Convenience Stores, drive nearly all the taxicabs, etc. – I swear I can see the hate for us in their eyes – it must be difficult for them to bide their time until they can rise up against us. Do you suppose when Barack Hussein gets his way with confiscation of all guns from private America, that that will include confiscation of guns from Muslims as well? I will answer that for you.. same thing as checking illegal Mexicans.. violating their rights! Profiling. But the same set of rules don’t pertain to Americans.

      • Lubo

        Christin….The very same reason that illegal mexicans can do as they please… is part of the master plan to destroy America and then join the GLOBAL community.

    • dan az

      shark bait!

  • Christin

    Sounds like a good place to me gunner689.

    Hey guys— have you every wondered why there are so many Islamic muslims here is America now…

    Well, our lovely gov is inviting them to migrate here… knowing that it will eventually cause a conflict hopefully.

    See http://www.the

    The “presidential determination” [HB 1388] which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in the US at American taxpayer expense of $20,000,000. This free ticket (well nothings free- you pay for it and we add it to the debt) replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)

    Sounds an awful lot like “redistribution of wealth” already actively at work in a town near you. Thank a gov employee next time you have a chance.

    I also got this e-mail “NYC City Streets” showing pictures of hundreds of muslims who had taken off their shoes, rolled out their blankets and tarps and were blocking the streets (42nd & Madison Avenue and 94th & 3rd Avenue) facing east to exercise their religious right to pray to allah every Friday… in PUBLIC.

    Ya know guys, I don’t think any religion, including mine, should have the right to block traffic and impede business and commerce let alone travel for two hours. (I can’t imagine who would hire someone who had to leave work for two hours every Friday and not do their job.)

    How is it that a Christian nation can not publicly pray or display a Christmas scene of the baby Jesus in a public place, but the Muslims can stop normal traffic every Friday afternoon by worshipping in the streets. How is it that muslims are not forced to take obamacare by law as the rest of America is?

    PC gone crazy? …OR… Inequality by chance or by design??

    Well actually, I think there is something much deeper going on here… isn’t there always. I was thinking well, the “ruling elites” know that eventually these religions (and their laws) will clash and the public will be in an uproar about the inequality of the Muslims Rights VS the Christian/ Jewish Rights. I think “the elites” have designed this to occur with their welcomed immigration of muslims, approval of an islamic mosque at Ground Zero, and unfair policies to CAUSE a DISTURBANCE.

    Why… what would be gained?

    Well, I think the ruling class/progressive (means communist)gov will then pass Legislation to BAN “ALL openly religious practices.” …POOF… the end of openly Christian practices/rights, because we will scream for equality and a stop to muslim intolerance. Instead of making religious rules fair and giving the Christians their rights back, gov will do what they do best – regulate and kill rights – and this will lead to ceasing of private Christian practices…

    One step closer to Godless Marxism and the halt to a Holy God and His power in America… then we shall surely fail and fall …into the hands of our enemies.

    • Christin

      Sorry about the double post. This first one got lost and I had to redo it from memory, but now I see it is here.

      I think the “mosque issue” though very important keeps the heat off the Big Spending-Big gov Democrats running for election in Nov and the Progressive/ Communist/ Marxist FAILED Agenda of WH & the Ruling Classes and our loss of the Americian Capitalistic job creator, free market economy as deired by the Constitutional Conservatives. It’s the Economy stupid.

  • barbm

    anybody else hear about how the state department (obama) is paying the guy who is the spokesperson for the mosque they’re trying to build in nyc to go to the middle east and bring tolerance between christianity and muslimism? can’t get an answer as to how much he’s making, how much they expect his expenses to run, what his mission statement is, or how he’s to go about doing this. his 1st act was to attend a fancy dinner party at the home of a u.s. ambassadore where he spoke with some wealthy people. i’m sure those people will run home, call all their friends and relatives and push his mission. NOT!! more of our tax dollars going out the door without the permission of congress or senate and with no info available.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Dig a little deeper, this is his THIRD trip!!!! All of them on the taxpayers dime!!!

    • tg7357

      This is the same Imam who’s telling the world the US has more Muslim blood on it’s hands than Al Queda, isn’t it? The State Department ought to strand the jerk in Israel.

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  • wolfman

    Let them build their mosque 100 miles EAST of NEW YORK.

    • Christin

      wolfman, that’s even better than gunner689′s choice.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      hell, let them build it in the middle east!!!

  • jim

    I have seen video of Rauf (is that the Imam’s name?)say in his argument for the U.S.A. incorporating Shariah law in to it’s laws that America is already Shariah law compliant. If that is so why does hwe continue to push for it to happen?

  • http://gmail i41

    Yes and the marxist muslim moron is pushing the plan all along. His AG, who is another Kenyan [offensive term removed], who will not protect white voters, but let the muslim black panther slitter off and never even show on a federal summons. The black population, had better start telling they muslim [offensive word removed] to back off and put some distance between themselves and the freaky nut jobs, like Greasy Sharpton, Slut Jackson, and the Muslim Marxist Moron that they swallow all the socialist crap they spew. Maybe the blacks want to be swallowed up by the muslim marxist crap of communal control by the head [offensive term removed]. But since blacks are still over 95% in favor of Onumnutts and his radical socialist bunch, I don’t think it will make a damn dimes difference, as long as the freebees keep coming and the welfare rats sit on their fat rears and aren’t made to get off the couch. In the 30′s their was what was called poor farms, owned by the county, it had living quarters, they could grow food, schools were close or on the property, county need roads built or ditches cleaned or what every job that countries needed done, were taken care of. It helped motivate people to get off of their asses and get a better job. The welfare has made serveral generations of lazy idoity smucks with the thinking of ” the governemnt has a plan for more free bees”. Cut off the crap give aways cold turkey now!

  • http://SAMVP Ida Snow

    Read this… if you are willing to face the truth…Copy & paste this into google “

    If Americans Knew – what every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine.

    If Americans Knew is dedicated to providing Americans with everything they need to know about Israel and Palestine

    • airangel

      Ida here is another spin..Israel, much like us looked the other way for 30 years and tolerated Islam.

      Since 1948, when the state of Israel was established, Israelis and Palestinians have each asserted claims over the same territory.

      The Palestinian cause was for decades led by the PLO, which Israel regarded as a terrorist outfit and sought to crush until the 1990s, when the PLO dropped its vow to destroy the Jewish state. The PLO’s Palestinian rival, Hamas, led by Islamist militants, refused to recognize Israel and vowed to continue “resistance.” HAMAS now controls Gaza, a crowded, impoverished sliver of land on the Mediterranean from which Israel pulled out troops and settlers in 2005. They pulled out when the economy was thriving and gave the Palestinians prosperous land to do with what they would. HAMAS has all but destroyed the land.

      When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and ’80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.

      When it became clear in the early 1990s that Gaza’s Islamists had mutated from a religious group into a fighting force aimed at Israel — particularly after they turned to suicide bombings in 1994 — Israel cracked down with ferocious force.

      Hamas traces its roots back to the Muslim Brotherhood, a group set up in Egypt in 1928. The Brotherhood believed that the woes of the Arab world spring from a lack of Islamic devotion. Its slogan: “Islam is the solution. The Quran is our constitution.” Its philosophy today underpins modern, and often militantly intolerant, political Islam from Algeria to Indonesia.

      Since then, Hamas leaders have emerged from hiding and reasserted their control over Gaza….

      This Pres was a big part of Muslim influence in Indonesia. This imam supports and nurtures HAMAS but does not recognize them as a terrorist organization. This president granted 20,000,000 for HAMAS refugees….the dots are all connecting in a way that makes me very leery!…You can read more here. I don’t usually agree with Wall Street Journal but the makings of Hamas, the control of Gaza and the broken “cease-fire” are a big part of what’s going on, especially the “infiltration” under other guises such as “religion and prayer”.

      Ahmed Yousef, chief political advisor to Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, regards knocking down the Rafah wall as the greatest success Hamas has scored since winning the parliamentary elections two years ago. Speaking from his Gaza City office, Yousef said he has received phone calls from around the world congratulating him on the action – including from self-appointed emissaries of European governments. “Hamas is once again a player to be reckoned with,” exulted Yousef.

      Ahmed Yousef would like to pull off another Rafah-style exploit, but this time against the Palestinians’ archenemy, Israel. He is planning a mass march to the Erez border crossing in northern Gaza. “We’re going to send half a million people there, mainly women and children. Then we’ll see how the Israelis react,” he says. A devilish scheme, since the Israelis would not react as passively to the storming of their border as the Egyptians did. But Yousef is not impressed by such objections. “If the Israelis want our blood, I’m willing to sacrifice my children.”

      This is how these people think! No qualms about using women and children as human shields…Do we really want to ignore something in the making and have Israels headache?

  • Buckeye Chuck

    I propose building a church in Mecca, within sight of the “ka’bah” (that’s that black cubicle building that muslims worship). Does anyone think the saudi government would allow that? Likewise, our government could simply declare the area around “Ground Zero” to be a special zone & off limits for the building of muslim idols.

  • Dee

    This muslim iman doesn’t seem to want to relocate their mosque, so he doesn’t care about the feelings of the families of Americans who lost their lives that the muslims murdered them.
    He should leave this country and go elsewhere. They have enough mosques in NYC.

  • 45caliber

    As long as some politician with some authority (like Oblama is supposed to have) doesn’t step up and say, “No mosque here” it will be built!

    The reason? This is a victory site of Muslim terrorists (heroes) over the great Satan, the USA. They ALWAYS put a mosque at such sites if they possibly can. And they have “pilgrims” who will visit so they can laugh and chortle over how the Muslims were better fighters and greater heroes than anyone else in the world.

    • dan az

      And thats the facts folks!

    • Norm

      Obama can’t override the Constitution because he thinks it’s a “good idea”. Bush may have tried, but even he would have been halted.

      • tg7357

        Obama wouldn’t override the Constituition, good idea , bad idea or whatever, because as far as he’s concerned the Constitution is just another wall decoration in the halls of Congress. As are many of his slavish followers and criminal fellow politicians, of all 3 parties I might add.

  • dan az

    Can any one here go back to before there was a city built there and find out if there was a pig farm any where near where they want to build this mosque.stranger things have happened before.

  • http://gmail i41

    The ka’bah in Mecca used to be a wooden shack where 360 clay figurines were at, Allah the clay figurine for the moon god was what Moammed the goat humper picked as to represent Islam. Moahammed broke all the other clay models. Tell the iman that if the muslim morons don’tr let other religions build churches they cann’t build one here, and they can just piss off.

    • dan az

      no wonder they hate us isnt that a cresant moon on all the wooden shacks that we used to have called out houses?

      • independant thinker

        I did not think of that. Very appropriate connection.

  • Claire

    The first muslim college has opened in California.

    • dan az

      why dose that not suprise me.

    • tg7357

      They don’t call California the Left Coast for nothing.

      • independant thinker

        I have often wondered why it is that the conservatives are
        > called the “right” and the liberals are called the “left.”
        > By chance stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:
        > *Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)*
        > “The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
        > but the heart of the fool to the left.”
        > Yep, that’s it!

  • Melissa

    Islam would like to take over the world and make it just as violent as the Koran. They would also like to be perverted and filthy and are only concerned about worshipping a meteor and having sex with virgins after they die. Let’s get one thing straight! Heaven will not have any sin and there certainly won’t be an filth there. I don’t think those perverted men who aren’t Christians will be there either. It will really hot where they are.

    • Norm

      Or not!

  • Stephen Russell

    NO, Governor your choices:
    1. Move Mosque said:
    North, E, West of Ground Zero,
    2. Add 20, 30 blocks Away from Ground Zero.
    3. Build Mosque.

  • Stephen Russell

    Islam is a combined system: Religion, Finance, Education & Military in One.
    All controlled via the Mosque system & schools.
    Yes Islam has its own banks.
    We’re fighting a System vs a Religion & Both.

  • http://gmail i41

    Didn’t know crossbred was an offensive word or goat rumper, or smucks was another. The last, one was a camel jockey which are all non offensive language unless you are a marxist muslim clay figurine worshiper, mohammed was a definite pedophile and if muslim cann’t handle facts or the truth, gather your diapers up get on jackasses and head towards mecca This PCed dung being spouted and preached is tearing the USA down! Omoron and Holder are definetly muslim crossbreds, they aren’t black brown or white, with livestock both would be called crossbred black white faces or black baldies.

  • http://gmail i41

    Islam isn’t a relegion but a militart ideology, and Allah is a vindictive harsh idea of mohammed the pedophile.

  • AnhydrousBob

    Reading thru the comments, I have a few of my own…

    Do I like that the Mosque will be built here? No.
    Do I think the builders care one bit about our feelings, or that many feel it is sacrilege to build a Mosque there? Not a bit.
    Is it incredibly frustrating that this could happen here, to us and we have no power to stop it? Overwhelmingly.
    Additionally, we would not be permitted to build a church anywhere in many Moslem countries, so not only are they being spiteful by building it, they snicker at us for our lack of power.
    We are indignant that they would use our own laws against us and then laugh at us for being weak.

    That’s right, they have used our own laws against us, and we feel weak and betrayed. So we have a choice, we can stand by our laws, that property owned is subject to the will of the owner, or we can tear down those laws and submit to our own emotion and become LIKE THEM! That’s right, that’s what some of us are advocating here – forgetting our laws and, like the progressives, deciding that there is relativeness to right and wrong.

    WE are AMERICANS, We were founded in Liberty – and that liberty applies to everyone, whether we like it or not in this instance. No other nation on earth as far as we know was conceived like we were. Will we live up to that founding? Or will be be like those unprincipled ones we oppose and switch sides when it is soothing to our indignation?

    The fact that I may for once agree with Obama – or rather, that for once he agrees with me, does not change truth. Either we uphold law and order and EQUAL treatment of all before those laws, or we become a nation of men and personalties and whims and drink the drivel of the progressives.

    And in the meantime how much energy have we dissipated on a battle we cannot win on principle – because if we win it we’ve lost our principles because we’ve denied them. Let the mosque builders “claim” a victory, remembering how many times right has overcome wrong, even though for a little season wrong has triumphed.

    • XMarine

      I think OUR CONSTITUTION refers to U.S. citizens and NOT our Enemies
      Our TROOPS(God bless them) are fighting these IDIOTS in 2 wars now –so they come to OUR soil where they are safe and distroy the very foundations that OUR country was built on.They lie to us saying Islam is a religion .it is a military operation to disrupt, divide and weeken the citizens making their takeover an easyer conquest.While our Gov has been pussyfooting (PC) around with these people,they have worked thier agents into political high positions where they can use our own strength and laws against US.
      These are enemy agents performing STEALTH WARFARE,when they feel the time is right ,the next step will be physical takeover.
      I hope and pray we never let it get to that point because there will be no return.
      OUR GOD gave us the privlige of choice.
      Now it time to use it.
      Just my thoughts..

  • Norm

    The statement, posted on, in its entirety:

    Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

    It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

    The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

    Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

    Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

    In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

    They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

    The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

    The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

    Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

    This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

    There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

    If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

    The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.
    Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

    Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

    It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

    The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.

    The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

    This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

    We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

    Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.

    • Lubo

      Norm…..You could have made your point with about two sentences…..In other words, we “americans” should just lay down our weapons and accept muslims and their sharia law. They are just such a PEACE loving peoples through their false religion that MURDERS innocent people by the MILLIONS!!!

      But I’m sure in some weard way it is we Neo-conservative Americans or just plain ole Americans that caused them to do the aforestated, although they have been doing it for THOUSANDS of YEARS, before there were ever even a place called…….AMERICA.

      Boy, that makes good common sense to me!

      • Norm

        The piece was a transcript of a speech made made by Ron Paul, the Libertarian/Republican rep. from Texas. I don’t agree with the majority of his views, but I think he was fairly accurate here.

        • Lubo

          My apology Norm but I disagree with anyone who has not done their homework when it comes to the nation of Islam. This has been going on since the beginning of time and America has nothing to do with it nor will America ever change it. I think Iraq may be proof that these people are “Jackass’s in the sand” and no amount of PC foolishness will ever change that fact.

  • DR. Jim

    I have read none of the comments above. Therefore, I would like so unabashadly say that that Americans have lost all perspective. In wanting to be “politically or religiously”correct, they have been drawn into a trap. There was a time (and it it silll in the present, that a Catholic nun could wand the streets of Anywhere, America and be perfectly accepted by all Americans. Why is that? Simply because people know that the people wearing those clothes accept and respect all those that do or do not partake in their beliefs. Now what about the new situation presented by the Muslin groups? There is a faction of them that do NOT respect nor accept Western beliefs. Not only that, some have comitted violent crimes against Westerners. Now they request that their requests be met! Is the answer obvious or does a picture need to be painted?

    • libertytrain

      If I’m reading this correctly and I did understand the nun allegory – I believe you are saying it’s awfully difficult for us to accept these Muslim folks because a faction of them has regularly proven to be a danger to our health and well being here and throughout the world in present time history. Whereas a nun has only been a threat to a few 5th or 6th grade boys looking for trouble disrupting a classroom – And a nun has never, in my life experience, showed disrespect to any other religion etc.

      • tg7357

        Haven’t ever seen a nun fly 2 planeloads of people into buildings, killing thousands, while at the same time flying 2 more planeloads of people into the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania. I just don’t think even with the Inquistion at its peak you’d have gotten this kind of behaviour out of a nun.



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  • Lon

    Obama touts “Freedom of Religion” in his defense of the building of the Muslim Mosque; however, he knows full well that Islam is MUCH, MUCH more than just religion – Islam is about an all inclusive way of life – it entails ideology, government, finances, and military (jihad)- By allowing the Muslims to build the mosque, we are empowering them – they have a history of building mosques in close proximity to their victories over infidels. Make no mistake about it, the Muslims consider non-Muslim Americans of all differing religions to be infidels. In their holy book it calls for the killing of all infidels until the earth is cleansed of all non-Muslims. Nice religion to have here in America. Let us welcome the murderous Muslims to America! Obama is. Ever wonder why? Draw your own conclusion.

    • Patricia Smith

      THEY will outbreed us and there will be more MOSQUES. When jihad is called where will you be, and will it be a day remembered like 9/11 ??

    • tg7357

      Obama’s ‘I have no opinion on the wisdom of building the mosque near Ground Zero’ is a dodge, pure and simple. He said that to keep the devout Muslims from labelling him an apostate!! To have said it was a bad idea would have branded him an unbeliever, and under Sharia law,
      an apostate, someone who had turned their back on Islam. He would be hsunned yb devout Muslims, and if he ventured into a country that was under Sharia law, he could be killed as an apostate. He ducked the issue to save his b#tt if he ever goes back to the Middle East.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Michelle Nobama is already complaining about the amount of time her other half spends with her because he is president. If I were her I would give real serious thought to what it would be like under sharia law. She dam sure better not complain them!!!!

  • John Silver

    Well if the mosque is funded by terrorists then I guess Fox News is too. Check out this story:

    Fox News shareholder funded ‘Ground Zero mosque’ imam: report

    The second largest shareholder in News Corp. — the parent company of Fox News — has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to causes linked to the imam planning to build a Muslim community center and mosque near Ground Zero in Manhattan, says a report from Yahoo!News.

    According to the report from Yahoo!’s John Cook, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, who owns seven percent of News Corp., “has directly funded [Imam Feisal Abdul] Rauf’s projects to the tune of more than $300,000.”

    Cook reports that Prince Al-Waleed’s personal charity, the Kingdom Foundation, donated $305,000 to Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow, a project sponsored by two of Rauf’s initiatives, the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, which is building the Manhattan mosque.

    That Fox News’ second-largest shareholder, after Rupert Murdoch, has financial links to the “Ground Zero mosque” will be seen as ironic by critics of the news network, who have watched with chagrin as the network’s talking heads attempt to link the mosque to radical Islamism.

    Last week, Daily Show host Jon Stewart lambasted Fox panelist Eric Bolling’s attempt to link the Cordoba Initiative to Hamas and Iran. Stewart used News Corp.’s connections to Prince Al-Waleed, and the prince’s connections to the Carlyle Group and Osama bin Laden to make a tongue-in-cheek argument that Fox News may be a “terrorist command center.”

    • airangel

      I’m not sure how much I would believe since they’ve been going after Fox News and would love to frame them and shut them down or have them lose credibility since they have the highest ratings of all News Media…I would research and not believe everything posted about the “enemy”…just like American Tea Partiers are terrorists…never understood how Freedom loving citizens standing up for their rights could be labeled terrorists and yet this Imam is directly linked to Hamas terrorism…thinks are definantly very backwards. On the other hand I have heard that the same people that run the “other” stations do own Fox so who knows? It’s all a big Chess game and we are slowly losing our identity as Americans and becoming slaves to the Pharoahs!

      • John Silver

        They haven’t denied it. It’s well documented who their second biggest shareholder is, and he also happens to be one of the funders of the mosque. Using Glenn Beck’s own ‘follow the money’ rules that means money from Fox News is going to the mosque. If we were talking about CNN or MSNBC people on this site would be up in arms over something like this. But for some reason -hmm, what could it be?- Fox gets a pass?

        • independant thinker

          The second biggest share holder only holds 7% ownership and technicly What he owns is 7% of the holding company that owns Fox not Fox itself.

  • tg7357

    This remains to be seen, since a representative of the developer, SoHo Properties, has already gone on record saying the sponsors of the mosque had no plans to relocate the project“`They would do well to remember that ‘plans’ change all the time

  • Larry

    Let me get this straight. I have read the Koran and the message is plain in the Koran and if they preach and teach the message of the Koran which is what I suppose and believe is their purpose of building this mosque; we as freedom loving Americans need to wake up.

    Ask yourself this question? Have they divorced themselves from the Islamic nations that wish to destroy and kill us? NO. Have they come here to be freedom loving Americans or are they here to undermine and exploit our liberties to aid and facilitate the aims of their mother land in weakening and destroying us.

    If they so love their shira law; why do they not go back to their mother lands where they can have their shira law?

    Why do they want to impose shira law in America: it is not because they love America and our laws and liberties and freedoms; they want to take us over and impose their Shira law and Islamic religion on us by force. (Read the Koran and look at every other nation where these Moslem people have moved in and little by little exploited the nations freedoms and claimed they were being harassed and deprived of their rights and liberties and see what they have done once they have gained the upper hand. They do not seek equal rights, freedoms and liberties. They seek to take over by force and just like their Prophet Mohammed they will speak peace as long as it affords them time and opportunity to strengthen their cause and position; but once they have the upper hand there will be no peace for any one who differs or opposes them. They will take over and rule by force and they will show their true colors. If they do not intend to follow the teachings of the Koran that teach this; then why do they not denounce it and change it. If they are allowed to build this Mosque they will glory in it because it shows just how weak and naive we “infidels” (thats what we are to them) are to them.

    Answer this question: What Islamic nation on the face of the earth will allow anyone to build a place of worship to respect any other religion or God? This is strictly forbidden and they kill people of other religions who come into their nation and even dare to speak or promote any religion other than Islam. Are we so stupid in American that we think we can allow a religion that is committed to taking over the world and pruging the world of every one that is not an Moslem ( their highest calling in the Koran is to forsake: fame, fortune, family, houses and lands and fight Allah’s war which is to kill the infidel.) Think I am kidding. Go get yourself a copy of the Koran and read it.

    The truth is that their religion is not compatible with any other culture and America needs to wake up and demand that they either become American and imbrace our culture and liberties as Americans and that means denouncing any ties with their mother land, ties with other foreign enemies and change their religion to really purge it of their hatred and contempt for all that are not Moslem and let them know that if they cannot do that; then the best thing they can do is go back where they come from and they will have all the liberty they need to be radical Islamic Moslem terriosts or whatever they want to be; but that as Americans we fully intend to protect our Lands and our freedoms and give every right we claim for ourselves to those who want to live peaceably with us but deny our rights and liberties to be exploited by those who only come in in the name of peace to take advantage of us so they can kill us.

    Wake up American and Long live Liberty and Justice and never be ashamed of looking those who hide behind their religion in the face only to use us and abuse us and let them know that we have no respect for them as long as they use their liberty as a cloak of maliciousness. They can either come out in the light and denounce their terroristic sins of the past and separate them selves from it and change their ways truly or we are not buying their cries for rights and liberties they do not deserve.

    If we tolerate this; then just how long will it be before they start demanding that we put Moslem justices on the Supreme Court to use their Shira Law to start changing our nation even more to thier favor and liking. If they do not love America they still have the right to go back where they came from.

    • Lubo

      WOW!!! Someone with common sense who understands the true intentions of the “Nation of Islam”! Thank you for your post!

    • Lawrence Edward Calcut

      @ Larry

      From one Larry to another. You hit the nail right on the head my learned namesake. Well said.

      Now how do we let millions of Ameicans know the truth you wrote about so well.

      I for one will, Copy and Paste, your posting to someone who might be able to use it. As a matter of fact I have several people in mind and will send your writings to them also.

      Well said Larry. Well said!

    • Wayne

      Thank you Larry for a great comment. The best I have heard yet. I agree with you 100%. Our soldiers have fought and died to preserve this country. I guess our fight is not over yet. We have to make sure this country stays a Christian Country.

  • http://gmail i41

    Every time a socialist democrap is elected they love up the Islamic goat punchers, the democrat party elected Omoron, in Minn. the statee with 2 freaking idoits, Freaky Franken, and the rep. that was swore in on the Koran. Just another democrat socialist state which ACORN was entrenched in. The Islam is a ideology not a religion, it is based on a clay figurine called Allah “the moon god”, which was started by the pedophile Moohammed!

  • Wayne

    Viktor Leben, what a stupid statement you just made. It is not worthy of an intelligent comment. Remember, this country was founded on Christian Principles. Our boys fought and died for his country and your telling the folks in NYC to pack up and leave. I don’t know where your from, but go back to sleep.

  • Rick

    Here’s an idea. Build the mosque then fly a plane into it. Problem solved. Eye for an eye, the only thing radical islamist dirt bags understand and respect, because at this time we are considered a pushover because of our own laws and PC.

  • BlazeEagle

    No Mosque at or near the WTC tragedy, PERIOD.

    America is so concerned with tolerance that we’re letting our laws be used against us.

    There’s plenty of examples throughout world history showing how evil & intolerant Islam is. Only blind fools truly believe it’s a “peaceful” “religion”.

    This CAN be stopped by speaking up against it in a firm but PEACEFUL manner. We’re hardly powerless to stop this.

    Wanting to build it at or even near the site of this tragedy is a insult to all TRUE Americans.

    The ONLY thing that should be built there is a memorial site.


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