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NRA CEO Says Government Gun Policies Are ‘Getting Us Killed’

February 14, 2011 by  

NRA CEO says government gun policies are getting us killedThe head of the National Rifle Association (NRA) slammed President Barack Obama's administration and other gun control advocates during his speech at the Conservative Political Conference on Feb. 10.

Wayne LaPierre said that proposed bans on certain firearms and ammunition clips will only provide more protection for killers, adding that "government policies are getting us killed," according to CBS News. While he said that the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz. was a terrible tragedy, he accused politicians and the media of overreacting by calling for stricter gun laws.

"Good guys carrying guns can and do make a difference," LaPierre said, quoted by the media outlet. "The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

LaPierre also played a video clip of former NRA President Charlton Heston criticizing the media for portraying the gun-rights group as a villain. LaPierre then accused the media of glorifying and making a "celebrity" out of Jared Loughner, who is the accused shooter connected to the Tucson tragedy, The Huffington Post reported.

The current NRA chief said that by plastering Loughner's photo all over television and the Internet, media outlets were turning the gunman into a hero for any deranged copy cat who seeks fame.

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  • JeffH

    LaPierre also said that while the Tuscon attacks were terrible, “it’s time for some frank talk.” Yes it is!

    The media and “political elites won’t admit the truth.” It’s “dishonest” to suggest that by passing laws we can “legislate evil out of people’s hearts” yet that is what got us here in the first place.

    “These clowns want to ban magazines,” LaPierre said. “Are you kidding me? But that’s their response to the blizzard of violence and mayhem affecting our nation. One more gun law on top of all of the laws already on the books.”

    “It’s going to make all of us less safe in this country, and you know what else it’s going to do? Make the deranged and the violence more safe,” he said. He added that even in the current environment, “as soon as you leave these halls, your life is in jeopardy.”

    LaPierre said that the situation in Egypt shows that the Second Amendment remains necessary, as illustrated by the protests in Egypt. He said that “the presence of a firearm” in the hands of good people “makes us all safer.”

    “No more lies and laws and government failure,” LaPierre told the audience of conservative activists. “At the scene of the crime, there’s only the criminal and the victim.”

    The media “turns a madman into a hero for every potential deranged copycat out there,” he said. “It’s sick, it’s wrong and the media out to be ashamed of themselves.”

    Making gun laws that only honest people abide by does not cure the problem with the criminal element and inadvertently makes criminals out of law abiding citizens.

    • JC

      An armed society is a polite society.
      Castle Doctrine and No Retreat Doctrine would bring our crime
      rates to almost zero in about 6 months to a year.

      But that doesn’t allow for public “control” and profits for the Prison Industrial Complex from incarceration, does it?
      It’s not about guns at all…it’s about “control”.

      • EddieW

        The people owning and having guns is the ONLY THING that is stopping our government from a TYRANNY worse than what aoccured in Germany!!!
        They have a reason for wanting to disarm us, you can only kill off unarmed, defenseless people!! Don’t Forget…they want to kill of 300 MILLION of us in the US alone…China is demanding it!!!

        • James

          EddieW. We only have 308 million people.

  • G.B.

    NO WAY that a “good guy with a gun” is the best way to stop a bad guy!
    The best way to stop a criminal, is to REASON with him, and let him know you understand him. Remember, if we all would VISUALIZE a world without violence, it just might happen! Lets all start by saying SCREW GUNS… and start loving one another.
    Remember, as my sociology professor once said… most criminals had bad childhoods, and would be decent, nice people if we only tried to UNDERSTAND them, and get them the proper treatment.
    Meanwhile, let’s get some sensible gun laws (like in England.) BAN AUTOMATIC GUNS (who needs a AK47 machine gun to kill a deer anyway? Come to think of it, why kill deer when you can get your meat at a supermarket? How cruel and inhumane are you?)
    OBAMA IN 2012!

    • Michael J.

      G.B.
      You are the problem! Yet you are also the victim of communist indoctrination visited upon you by your college professor.
      Google Yuri Bezmenov to understand how you have been turned into a “useful idiot” by those who seek the destruction of capitalism and western society. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go puke.

      • Mick

        Michael J. says:
        February 14, 2011 at 5:38 am
        G.B.
        You are the problem! Yet you are also the victim of communist indoctrination visited upon you by your college professor.
        Google Yuri Bezmenov to understand how you have been turned into a “useful idiot” by those who seek the destruction of capitalism and western society. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go puke.
        ******************************************************
        *********************************************
        Michael…………..You’re right on and unfortunately we have too many morons falling for this type of things and are totally incapable to get passed it………

        • Deadeye

          Who is this GB idiot? Reason with a criminal with a gun aimed at you? That is like trying to reason with a forest fire…please mister fire, don’t burn our trees where the cuddley little rabbits and squirrels frolick all day long….

          • Dan az

            Does tip toe through the tulips ring a bell?

        • Al

          I am 70 and heard the bad childhood BS for too many years. Our laws must be changed to disregard the childhood or mental state of a person. Puke lawyers make money w/ this nonsense and the law abiding suffer.

          You did it or you didn’t. Can’t be half pregnant.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            Agreed!When they say that the nut case shouldnt of had a gun they always forget that he or she wasnt a nut case untill he started shooting.

    • Truther1

      When you need a Cop in the next 30 seconds he is never more than 3 minutes away.Gun free zones are the first place a crazy will head to do his evil deed.People like you will die on your knees begging for mercy.A REAL MAN will defend himself and his family,and at least will have a fighting chance.
      Some people who share your beliefs are Hitler,Mao,and Stalin.I’m sure they are all great people in your eyes..

    • edoyle7

      G.B. you sir are an idiot. I can only hope the next times some madman goes off your in his line of fire. Or you could move to the U.K.

    • JC

      Hey GB,
      If you come home and some bad guys are raping your wife and daughters,
      I guess you’ll just fire up the BBQ and cook them a steak. After all that raping and stuff, they might be hungry, right?
      Then you and your little girls can all sit down with them and have a nice long chat about how bad their childhood was.

      You are without a doubt one of the greatest and most immoral idiots ever to walk this planet.

    • AMJ

      Yeah, yeah, yeah…excuse the errant behavior of a person because they had a bad childhood. What you are saying is that none of us has a choice of our actions as adults, and no one out there that has had a bad childhood can develop into a decent, law-abiding person. Quit excusing the actions of criminals around you, they have the same choices you and I do. I don’t know any person who has not had difficulties as a child, and yet I’m able to surround myself with friends who act responsibly and who act with others in mind. I live in a community where people are neighborly and nice to each other. We choose to live this way, it was not predetermined for us. You, are one of the worst kind of appeasers because you tolerate and condone the criminal behavior of those who would hurt or kill others.

    • LH

      Automatic weapons laws have been on the books since the 1930s making it illegal on own one so what can more laws do for us?

      • Dan

        LH, one can own an fully automatic weapon with a proper federal permit.

    • Tony

      Oh my God. Is this a joke, G.B.?

    • http://twitter.com/doitathometoday Ken

      G.B. You’ve eaten too much food from the “supermarket” and it is working just like big Gov’t and Big Pharma planned. It killed your brain, so now you are a follower of your handlers, Just like BHO!

    • Robert Simmons

      G.B I was rather schocked to read your comments about how reasoning with a criminal intent on harming you is the better way versus being able to defend yourself with a gun.This tells me you have never lived in a poor neighborhood or had to use public transportation in the inner city areas. Because if you had done either one of those two with any degree of consistency we would not be reading such fantasy rhetoric as what you wrote. We are armed because you can’t reason with criminals who enjoy harming other people and see you as just another victim .The possibility of them being seriously hurt or killed is the strongest deterrent to violent crime in America ,the reason why most violent crime occurs in the city is because the majority of people in the rural areas have guns. I have been poor most of my life and have had to live and work around people whom are extremely prejudiced and hostile towards me because of my race and sex,I have had violence attempted towards me many times and have only survived because I was armed . One instance in general happened in Seattle in the mid nineties when a gang of fifty juveniles started congregating in the downtown area and were attacking individuals riding the bus late at night who change buses downtown. They trapped me in a bus stop where I couldn’t escape but because I was armed with a knife and the ones in the front realized I was going to stab the first one who got close they chickened out and walked away even though their accomplices who had been cheering them on to attack me now started criticizing them for being afraid.Their were nine bus drivers watching the whole thing but not one of them called the police , these were the same bus drivers whom had watched this same group beat another man who was not armed half to death the night before in the very same place.

    • http://personallibertydigest william

      Did you just fall off a Turnip Truck, or come down with the rain?

    • 45caliber

      G.B.:

      You need a sarcasm button so people will know what you are saying.

    • Richard Pawley

      Ha ha ha! It’s a joke people! Nobody is that stupid. Well, not who reads the helpful articles and information often presented here. WE all know that crime goes up when guns are outlawed. I gave some of the amazing statistics on this in my last book (and maybe the one before that). Once honest men and women have to surrender their weapons only the gangs and criminals have them and sometimes murder rates increase several hundred percent like in England and Ireland.

      • Al

        Unfortunately there are people who are that naive and stupid.

        No common sense or survival instincts.

    • dennis

      Get out of fairy tale land and join the real world! BHO is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      G.B.,
      while you are reasoning with the guy and picturing in your mind a world without violence, The criminal in front of you is going to tie you up, rape your wife, kill your kids, then kill you. while at my home I will put a 9MM through his head, end of story!!

    • Demi

      Are you serious G.B. reason with the thugs? Well, hell, in that case, just give them all your cash and property and live out in the street. No reason to protect your property while you reason with the robber about what he can take. What is reason going to get you?
      Keep drinking the kool-aid and eventually all crime will disappear along with all your property and safety. And then to think that guns kill people? People kill people, not guns, knives, forks, rocks, sticks, bats, or any other weapon that we could come up with.

    • Al

      I had a bad childhood and I have never committed a Felony. Your Soc. teacher like many others has no street smarts or experience and is teaching gullible young people things that might get them killed.

      I have dealt w/ many violent criminals as a Police Officer and most view kindness as weakness and they don’t respect you.

    • Joanne

      Don’t get all upset guys. G.B. is either writing this ‘tongue in cheek’…

      OR he’s a TROLL and only here to inflame people. Don’t give him the satisfaction!

    • 45caliber

      What if you were walking with your wife, son, and daughter one night when a huge man carrying a big knife suddenly comes into view charging and screaming curses at the top of his lungs. You have a gun with you.

      Democrat:

      Is he really charging us? Would he stop if I asked him to? Why would he be angry enough to harm us? Should I ask my family what I should do? Perhaps I should reason with him? I could throw the gun at him, perhaps that would cause him to stop. I really need to call and talk with several of my friends first and get their input as to what to do…

      Republican:

      Bang.

      Texan: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bank, click. Sounds of reloading … Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, click – reload

      Wife: “Good shooting, hon!”

      Daughter: “Nice shot grouping, Dad!”

      Son: “I think I saw him move! Shoot him again!”

      • JimH

        45, I heard it as Dem, Rep and southerner. The southerner’s wife tells him, no, you can’t take him to the taxidermist.

    • WaChar

      G.B., is this a poor attempt at sarcasm? you have never faced a gun pointed at you by a “misunderstood” criminal…i have.
      come on, you really are not serious, are you? no, you really can NOT be serious.
      College, IF YOU REALLY WENT, is supposed to teach you HOW to think, NOT teach you to repeat the current ‘IN’ and progressive lie-speak.
      really now, this has got to be a joke…I mean, really? nah, no one is this sadly misinformed…are you?

    • Cliffystones

      Boy GB! You’d make one great stand-up comedy routine!

    • surrelam

      The Columbine shooters had good childhoods. GOD, you’re STUPID! Your parents should demand that college tuition back from you.

    • Al Sieber

      G.B., I’d like to see you spend the night on the border out here without a firearm, you wouldn’t make it through the night, or day.

    • John

      G.B. YOU MORON, Why don’t you and all your laughable friends move to the U.K. where the crime rate is 10 or 20 times what it is here in the U.S.

  • G.B.

    And one more thing. There’s NO SUCH THING as a “bad guy.” EVERYONE IS EQUAL, nobody’s better or worse than anyone else. Lots of criminals are really cool people if you get to know them! There are, however, bad THINGS (like weapons in general and guns in particular.) If there were no guns in private hands, the police could protect us better!
    OBAMA IN 2012!

    • vicki

      That is hilarious G.B. Well done spoof of a twisted liberal thought process to show how illogical it is.

      Here is another example.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

      • Michael J.

        vicki,
        I hope you’re right. But then again, I know people that would applaud his or her sentiment. You gotta wonder if G.B. stands for gullible buffoon.

        • vicki

          Even if GB actually believed that stuff the use of his comments as a foil of how liberalism really is a mental disorder was priceless. Here is another cute gun control ad I found on youtube. William Shatner following GBs advice. Well mostly.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0D78JtxmqI

          • Dan

            That is what you call real gun control.

          • Michael J.

            vicki,
            Thanx for the link, unexpectedly funny. But in the real world Shatner would have been dead because he did not eliminate the threat, the gun.

            On a lighter note, captain Kirk would have whipped out his communicator and said, Scotty… Beam Me Up-Now! Too which Scotty’s normal reply would have been something like, I cannot doit capptin… the warp engines are at 50% and if I try now I might only get half-a-ya! And that’s when Kirk would say….. Broken Arrow!!!… gimmie fulton torpedpos on my LZ pronto!!! Ok-OK, maybe that’s how Mel Gibson would-da dunnit.

          • vicki

            Michael L writes:
            “But in the real world Shatner would have been dead because he did not eliminate the threat, the gun.”

            The threat was neutralized. The gun is just a tool. I would have recommended 2 shots to center of mass rather than knee, foot, foot as it is a much better tactical approach (as well as much better legal approach :) ) however would not be as funny.

        • Cliffystones

          I was thinking “gangrened brain”.

      • Richard Pawley

        I figured it out right away Vicki and the short video is excellent too. Well, we all need a good laugh. Even the Bible says that humor is good for one’s health.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        vicki,
        I wonder if I can get some of those signs for my neighbor???

    • Teresa

      G.B….when Obama destroys the value of the dollar, which he is, and people start coming into your home to steal for food and they are armed…YES w/guns….you wife and children are there and YOU have to protect them…do you REALLY think you can TALK your way out of it??? Your so full of crap! If a person has an intent to kill or harm you, THEY WILL..and they will do it by ANY MEANS! The administration by taking away guns from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS is only harming and causing MORE harm to US…..and if you are THAT BLIND than you will NEVER see, your a product of the system merely instigating and nothing more.

    • JC

      Ok…now it’s obvious.
      GB is a psycho.

      • Dan az

        JC
        Its possible that it could be obumer on his blackberry!lol!

        • JC

          My guess would be Hillary…she’s pretty irrational too. ;)

    • AMJ

      Oh right, Hitler was a really good man, just supremely misunderstood. He had a bad childhood so he was right to go out and torture & kill more than 6 million people, who were living productive lives, who could have enjoyed their children & grandchildren’s accomplishments in life.

    • JeffH

      G.B. is just foolin’…stirin’ the pot!

    • Robert Simmons

      G.B the police usually show up after a crime has been committed.

    • Al

      UNTRUE!!

    • Joanne

      TROLL ALERT!! TROLL ALERT!!

      PEOPLE…………. IGNORE THE TROLL!!

  • Mick

    G.B. says:
    February 14, 2011 at 1:25 am
    And one more thing. There’s NO SUCH THING as a “bad guy.” EVERYONE IS EQUAL, nobody’s better or worse than anyone else. Lots of criminals are really cool people if you get to know them! There are, however, bad THINGS (like weapons in general and guns in particular.) If there were no guns in private hands, the police could protect us better!
    OBAMA IN 2012!

    ****************************************

    G.B. Are you for real ??
    There is no way In hell someone could acually believe the crap you just wrote in your last two post………..

  • Linda

    do not feed the trolls…

    • http://?? Joe H.

      unless it’s poison peanuts!!

  • Tom

    G.B. you are so far off base. Look at the stats and you will see when law abiding citizens have access to their weapons, the murder rates, robberries and so on drop. When only criminals have access then the rates jump. The police cannot protect everyone and be everywhere. Common sense will tell you restricting weapons for law abiding citizens will only increase the violence.

  • tim

    GB is a typical sheep libtard who believed everything a liberal commie professor told him. Very typical of the college agenda today!!! Especialy at schools like princeton, stanford, all the higher end colleges. None of them teach constitutional law, just international law because it’s the only way they can get thier commie, socailist ways of life thru to the students. What happened to intelligent college professors who are true americans. Amazing that we only have liberal sheeps running around in these institutions!!! Then you have other countries sending thier children to these institutions, is that where they get thier f#%$ed up logic???

  • http://ObamatheFirst Bob M

    Geez Guys!!! You people ever hear of the word “sarcasm”???

    GB is trying to trip your triggers and you fell for it like lead balloons!!

    Shheeessh!

  • http://aldavisrealestate.com Al Davis

    Guns don’t kill people anymore than cars kill people. If we want to ban guns then lets also ban cars, knifes, baseball bats, trains, and airplanes. Don’t read this and say, that is so stupid. Is it stupid? Behind everything listed above, is a person in charge.

    • 45caliber

      And it isn’t all that often that the person in charge is charged with any crime either. Just when you shoot someone.

    • vicki

      I think knives are already banned. At least the big scary ones are in Calif.

  • rick c

    you’ve got to know G B is pulling your chain !!!!

  • Lighting Engineer

    Some people are wired differently. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Manson, Loughner, etc. They are dangerous people that kill without feeling or sympathy. The only deterrent that will sometimes dissuade them is a gun pointed at them.

    • 45caliber

      And that is why Hitler, Pol Pot, and others on this list made owning a gun illegal and confiscated the guns from their citizens.

  • William Glammeyer

    Here is an article to read concerning gun laws; very interesting!
    (Google ‘gun laws Georgia, USA’. You will find this article.)

    *** Do you know that if you live in the small town of Kennesaw, Georgia, you are required to have and maintain a firearm?

    On May 1, 1982, a new ordinance was passed by the city council of Kennesaw. This law ( Sec. 34-1 Heads of households to maintain firearms) made it mandatory for each household to own and maintain a gun, as well as ammunition. Not only was the ordinance passed by city council, it was a unanimous decision. The ordinance states the gun law is needed “In order to provide for the emergency management of the City, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the City limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.” Of course, exclusions were made to convicted felons, people with religious objections, and people with disabilities.

    Members of the city council introduced and voted for the ordinance to make a statement when a city in Illinois, Morton Grove, passed an ordinance banning hand guns from anyone other than peace officers. Morton Grove was the first community to ever ban the sale and possession of handguns.

    Both city ordinances drew worldwide media attention, with Kennesaw’s attention being negative. Nicknamed “Gun Town USA” from a column titled the same and written by Art Buchwald, expectations were for the town to covert back to the Old West style of handling disagreements with ruthless shoot outs. This expectation never happened. In fact, more than 25 years after the ban, not a single resident of Kennesaw has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender. There has been one firearm related murder but not from a resident of Kennesaw. Since the ordinance, no child has ever been injured with a firearm in Kennesaw. Crime dropped after the ordinance and the city has maintained an exceptionally low crime rate ever since, even with the population swelling from 5,000 in 1982 to approximately 30,000 today. The truth is crime has plummeted and population has soared. ***

    — I had heard from a news report that crime had dropped there by 75%! If this is true, then I would say that is amazing! Criminals usually want unarmed victims. After all, would you dare pull a gun on someone that just might point one back at you? —

    • 45caliber

      Some years ago (don’t remember how long ago) there was a comparison between the two cities on crime.

      Morton Grove had a number of burglaries, robberies, and a couple of murders.

      Kennesaw, during the same time period, had one ticket for running a stop sign and one speeding ticket.

  • eddie47d

    Well, I’m not pulling your chain. The real extremists in this situation is the pro-gun groups. Nothing pleases them and their vitriolic is way out of hand. Saying that Jared Loughner has been made a hero by the media shows how out of touch the NRA is. I have seen no such comment from any news outlet. He’s a mentally deranged killer who got no sympathy from the use of his weapon. Except from gun rights groups who said it was perfectly okay for him to buy and have that weapon on his possession. In the real world maybe the NRA should take responsibility for this young mans actions. The NRA seems to be the one playing with fire. On the Egyptian issue they could be “dead” wrong on that too. The demonstrations were justified and peaceful for the most part. They became violent when government thugs and undercover police melded into the crowd and stirred up trouble. The anti-government crowd didn’t pursue violence and never wanted it. Guns would have “killed” their cause and they would have come out the bad guys. The military would have stepped in at that point under Mubarak’s orders and the slaughter would have occurred. Guns would have solved nothing and would have given Mubarak a golden opportunity to crack down even further. He would have then arrested thousands,tortured them and and stayed in power. Weapons may serve a purpose in some cases but not that one.

    • JeffH

      Where G.B. was just spoofin’, eddie is the real deal!
      In an “oh so typical” fasion, eddie says “In the real world maybe the NRA should take responsibility for this young mans actions.”
      Turning the Loughner murder around and blame the NRA? Right! That’s just the liberal way.
      Unfortunatly, in all of eddie’s twisted logic, he missed the whole gist of the Edyptian comment. But that is just a liberal’s logic.

      • JeffH

        …Egyptian…

      • Dan az

        I cant even see to type ofter that one your killing me jeff!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        We need to tell those two reporters that had the hell beat out of them to stop trying to stir up the crowd!!!

      • eddie47d

        What is the point on the Egyptian comment Jeff.(If they had guns it would have been so much better?)Typical reaction from you and the gun Saviors. You even re-commented on the blame the media crowd which means you must believe that line of defense. If the NRA and GOA for that matter keep encouraging no laws for gun ownership then let’s put the blame squarely where it belongs.The NRA certainly doesn’t have the right to claim sainthood on much of anything. Okay, one thing, in defense of the 2nd Amendment. Beyond that they aren’t always on the right side.

        • JeffH

          eddie, the Egyptians did have guns, many of them, but chose not to use them…did you miss that point? They chose!

          Instead of parroting the “If the NRA and GOA for that matter keep encouraging no laws for gun ownership then let’s put the blame squarely where it belongs”, get some knowledge in the matter. It’ll save you some grief and embarrassment

          Since when has the NRA or the GOA for that matter encouraged “no laws” for gun ownership? That is your perception, not the reality of the matter.

          When anti-gun groups accuse NRA of opposing the law, they lie.

          The truth is, NRA supports many gun laws, including federal and state laws that prohibit the possession of firearms by certain categories of people, such as convicted violent criminals, those prohibiting sales of firearms to juveniles, and those requiring instant criminal records checks on retail firearm purchasers.

          The 1986 federal law prohibiting the manufacture and importation of “armor piercing ammunition” adopted standards NRA helped write.

          The NRA supported the Hughes-McCollum bill. That 1988 legislation prohibited the development and production of any firearm that would be undetectable by airport detectors, and enhanced airport security systems to counter terrorism.

          At the state level, NRA has worked with legislators to write laws requiring computerized “instant” criminal records checks on purchasers of firearms and those who carry firearms for protection in public. The NRA has worked with legislators and citizens’ groups in many states to increase the length of prison sentences for violent criminals, to sentence violent criminals to prison rather than probation, to prevent the parole of the most violent convicts, and to expand prison capacity.

          http://www.parmarng.org/MythTruth/NRAOpposesReasonable.html

          • Vicki

            I wonder what part of “Shall NOT be infringed” does the NRA fail to understand.

      • JC

        Maybe the NRA should take responsibilty? LMAO….
        But he had an OBAMA Sticker on his car!
        I guess that must be his role model.

    • Brad

      Edwardo,

      You couldn’t be so off base, these so called pro gun groups denounced laughner and his illegal use of a weapon, but you and your crowd want to villify them because we stand up for our rights as citizens. The media has played on this individual for weeks, what he did was wrong get that through your thick head. One count attempted murder, 6 counts of murder, premeditated because he planned it. The one thing you still don’t get Edwardo, people kill people, guns don’t. In Laughners case he used a legal weapon to take another life which is illegal, but you want to blame pro-gun groups, I blame you for being so closed minded, open them up you just might see the light.

      • eddie47d

        Brad; My eyes and mind are wide open how about yours? The Romans had the right to kill their children and enslave anyone they wanted (even a slave could own a slave). Rights don’t mean anything if you can do as you damn please with them. That includes killing people in Tucson. Pro-gun groups are defending their Egos and not Rights. If you say you are responsible then take action against the NRA and make them responsible for the hodgepodge laws. Tell them to get their act together and support laws that reflect on all Americans not just special laws for gun owners. You(we) have the 2nd Amendment to keep your guns so how about something for non-gunowners. Some of you spread fear of a citizen Not owning a gun. Now it’s the glamour thing to due;to have that weapon in your pocket or purse or glove box. That doesn’t make me feel safer.

        • JeffH

          eddie, people like you will never feel safe…you live in fear.
          You have nothing to fear but fear itself!

          • JC

            And that in a nutshell is why they are all statist sycophants.
            Mommy mommy please protect me waaahhhhhh.

          • http://GOGGLE vaksal

            TO:jeffH,hello from vaksal,its sad but the anti-gun pro liberal communist bunch pushing the anti-gun agenda,are living in denial,the same type of folks that let the killing programs happen in russia,germany,because they trusted their fearless leaders and in return walked to their deaths,while they wished they had weapons to fight against those who were killing them,weapons have always been the differance between life and death,of course there have always been those who walked to their deaths,because judas sheep lead the way.those who push to disarm the american people are left wing traitors,and deserve no quarter or respect.persona non grata,its funny jeffH,i have noticed the same left wing trolls on this site,they must be getting payed well.

          • JeffH

            vaksal, their anti-gun message sounds almost “scripted”.

        • Vicki

          Eddie47d says:
          “The Romans had the right to kill their children and enslave anyone they wanted (even a slave could own a slave).”

          Since rights come from the Creator please do explain why you think the Creator gave your alleged rights to Romans and not to us.

          Eddie47d: “Rights don’t mean anything if you can do as you damn please with them. That includes killing people in Tucson.”

          Typical liberal attempt to associate rights to criminal actions.
          Do tell us Eddie47d where and from whom did you get the “right” to kill people in Tucon?

          Eddie47d: “Pro-gun groups are defending their Egos and not Rights.”

          People have egos. Groups do not.

          Eddie47d: “If you say you are responsible then take action against the NRA and make them responsible for the hodgepodge laws.”

          Eddie47d creates a new eddie47d factoid. A new set of laws is born. The Hodgebodge Laws.

          Eddie47d: “Tell them to get their act together and support laws that reflect on all Americans not just special laws for gun owners.”

          Proof by bald assertion. Last time I checked all the laws proposed by the NRA were for all Americans and not just gun owners.

          Eddie47d: “You(we) have the 2nd Amendment to keep your guns so how about something for non-gunowners.”

          All non-gunowners have the right to NOT own a gun. (Except in a town in Georga :) )
          All non-gunowners have the right to expect police to be there in just minutes when seconds count.
          All non-gunowners have the right to keep and bear arms. (Except that town in Illinois)

          That should keep the non-gunowners happy for a while.

          Eddie47d: “Some of you spread fear of a citizen Not owning a gun. Now it’s the glamour thing to due;to have that weapon in your pocket or purse or glove box. That doesn’t make me feel safer.”

          Makes ME feel safer. Cause I know when a mugger tries to attack I will have backup closer than only minutes away.

          So eddie who’s feelings are more important? (rhetorical question :) )

          • Dan az

            Viki
            Excellent reply, for now on I’m coming to you for the facts!You break it down so well that even a dummy like me can grasp it.Thanks!

          • eddie47d

            Vickie; Of coarse you feel safer with a gun or a pick ax or a shovel. I don’t happen to carry any of those around and feel perfectly fine without them. So go blow smoke up someone elses posterior. You and Jeff are the fearful ones so I am coming after that fear you spread and not the guns you own.

          • JeffH

            eddie says, “You(Vicki)and Jeff are the fearful ones so I am coming after that fear you spread and not the guns you own.”

            Well eddie ole boy, tough to come after something that’s not there, “the fear”. Your problem is that when you get here, you take multible verbal lashings from just about everyone. Don’t you ever get tired of embarrassing ourself?

          • JeffH

            …embarrassing yourself!

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “Some of you spread fear of a citizen Not owning a gun. Now it’s the glamour thing to due;to have that weapon in your pocket or purse or glove box. That doesn’t make me feel safer.”

            Then Eddie47d writes:
            “Of coarse you feel safer with a gun or a pick ax or a shovel. I don’t happen to carry any of those around and feel perfectly fine without them. ”

            So you do not feel safer with a gun etc and you feel fine without a gun why then does it matter to you if you have a gun or not?
            More importantly why does it matter to you if I have a gun or not?

          • eddie47d

            It doesn’t matter to me if you have a gun or not Vickie. If you could read you would have seen that. There are plenty of you who think everyone should be armed and want laws to reflect that. You need to pay attention to what pro-gun people are saying. Maybe then you wouldn’t be so casual and smartalickey about what is really going on. The NRA is sometimes part of the problem and they are one of the more sane pro-gun organizations. Rocky Mountain Gun Owners have protested at funerals of murder victims because they are so fearful of having their weapons taken away. Paranoia runs deep amongsth some of you and you are not always right.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; You are the one who should feel embarrassed with your defensive crock and supposed tongue lashing.

          • JC

            eddie, you’re not coming after anything…nothing.
            Like all liberals you’re nothing but irrational hot air.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie says, “The NRA is sometimes part of the problem and they are one of the more sane pro-gun organizations.”

            Make up our mind, you are a plethora of contradictions. Now the NRA is one of the “more sane” pro-gun organizations. You’ve inferred repeatedly that they’re just as responsible for the “Tucson” massacre as Loughner and now you say they are “more sane” than others? ROFLAMO!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie also says that the “Rocky Mountain Gun Owners have protested at funerals of murder victims because they are so fearful of having their weapons taken away.”

            I searched high and low and couldn’t find anything on the RMGO protesting at funerals of murder victims.

            I know eddie can’t validate his comment with a website link, so again, until he posts some real evidence other than his imagined evidence he, again, can’t be taken seriously.

          • eddie47d

            Well Jeff the NRA is full of contradictions yet they are the better of the bunch.

          • eddie47d

            They started right after the Columbine shootings in 1999.

          • JeffH

            eddie, that’s just your opinion, nothing more. You never do and cannot back up your opinion with any facts….bzzzzzzz, bzzzzz

          • independant thinker

            Every thing Eddie says can be fully substantiated by his own opinion.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “It doesn’t matter to me if you have a gun or not Vickie. If you could read you would have seen that.”

            If you could read you would have noticed that I DID observe that you probably didn’t care if I had a gun or not. I ignored your attempt at distraction where you said
            “to have that weapon in your pocket or purse or glove box. That doesn’t make me feel safer.” which is easy to mis-read as you feel threatened by my owning a gun and having it in my purse. I instead asked why you cared if I have a gun or not. Thus allowing you to remove the (intentional?) ambiguity of your statement.

            We now have it on record that you do not care if I have a gun or not.

            Let us ask you (eddie47d) if you do not care if I have a gun or not then do you care if everybody has a gun or not?

          • Vicki

            eddie47d writes:
            “There are plenty of you who think everyone should be armed and want laws to reflect that.”

            It is not that we think everyone should be armed it is that we want the laws to respect our INDIVIDUAL right to CHOOSE.

        • http://GOGGLE vaksal

          TO eddie47d,if guns make you nervous,please go live in china or north korea or south africa,those nations have gun control,but never utter a word about liberties or your civil rights or you may find out while in prison,your kidneys might have been sold,while you ranted about your rights,guess what? at least here,no one will abrige your civil rights yet,until we have been disarmed,and become mindless goyim slaves or find our selfs at the mercy of armed criminals,of which there are plenty,and with the financal depression we are all going through,where do you think these lawless thugs are going to get the things they need? answer is if you have no first rate weapons to defend the area where you live,guess what youll get a number on a toe tag.eddie47 people like yourself cry about your rights,but are never willing to fight for them,but just keep damning gun owners,without us this republic would have never been nor would it ever survive without us,why your local thugs and gangs would rule this natin in a heart beat,you must use what god gave you and think in your logic about what you are truly avocating,which is chaos and anarchy,the(NWO) look around its getting worst by the day and noone has the answer,THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE running the show,disarm then what? a program of national genocide of law bidding disarmed citizens by any lawless folks that have weapons,the risk and dangers are there,just look at mexico a disarmed nation,who has the guns? answer CRIMINALS and the innocent are dying like fruit flys in a snow storm,and the law officers cant stop them,end result a failed state,and where are all these folks headed? north to safety and with them they bring the problem of who are the good folks from the bandits,since no one has adressed this problem,i feel that we all must keep are eyes open and be heavly armed just in case,that we need to defend our selfs and our countryman and children from any would be criminals or tyrant,that might think of over throwing this republics liberties,and that eddie47d is yours and mine,and 297 million american citizens,and thats a lot of folks,and the only things i trust is the good book(BIBLE) and the arms i keep just in case,a forty year collection and that not what a person like myself thinks about,i think about this republic and how good it has been in the past,and now its like,WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE,it stinks and its bad,real bad,have a good think about it eddie47d,and hide for folks like yourself are not fighters,just winers,bah, mommy,johnny has a sling shot,bah he will hurt me,bah,sorry just my opinion.

          • eddie47d

            Mr Ramblin Rose and all your asumptions about everyting! I love the lawless thugs reference. That is what I was telling Vickie about all the paranoia. Fear rules the day! I’m more concerned about the lawless thugs on Wall Street and in our corporate headquaters. They don’t carry guns and they are far more dangerous in destroying our nation. They affect our lives far more than all the other boogeymen you like to conger up.Getting mugged without a gun is big business in the USA so set your weapon down and go after the real crooks.

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d. Please give concrete examples of these “crimes” you claim exist.
            Absent such “crimes” I think I shall be more concerned about real dangers. Kidnappers and muggers and rapists, oh my.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Eddie . . . next you will be yelling for the banning of knives . . . after the nut-case in NY killed and slashed his way through the town. I am waiting for Mayor Loonberg to stand up and demand you turn in your knives . . . and maybe your forks too . . .
      And as far as the guy in Tuscon . . . the leftist Sheriff had many opportunities to deal with this guy . . . but choose let him run free. Had the Sheriff acted – the shootings may never have happened.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dale,
        you remind me of something that eddie and a few others said. Seems to me it was that with a knife you wouldn’t be able to kill seven people. Gee, let’s see, how many did that guy in NYC kill?? six or seven???? YOU DON”T HAVE TO USE A GUN TO HAVE MULTIPLE VICTIMS!!! Just the right circumstances!!!

        • eddie47d

          Joe; Those victims weren’t in the same place at the same time as in the Tucson incident. What a stretch!

          • Dan

            Eddie47 let me understand you; you don’t care how many lives are taken but rather how fast the lives are taken. You are a sick-O.

          • eddie47d

            That is not what I said so knock yourself out and maybe you are the sicko!

      • eddie47d

        Dale; Blame the sheriff,Blame the sheriff! He defended the loose laws that Arizona citizens wanted so you can’t have it both ways.

        • JC

          Typical Liberal…trying assign blame for the tragic actions of a wacko with an Obama sticker on his car.
          Had MORE people been exercising their right to carry, maybe this Obamunst wacko would not have gotten so far.

  • independant thinker

    Does anyone know the make of the rifle in the photo? I’m guessing it is a 22 since those look to be 22 long rounds shown with it but do not recognize the make.

    • doug

      looks like my old Winchester 22cal pump. A very rare gun since most were used up in shooting galleries at state fairs and such.

      • 45caliber

        I think you are right. I had a friend with one when I was a kid. It was short, light, and could hold a bunch of rounds.

      • JeffH

        The Winchester’s had the high walls.

    • JeffH

      It is a Stevens Model 70 Visible loader pump with 22 short rounds. Made 1907-1934.

      • independant thinker

        Thanks yall.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    Everyone seems to be discussing gun rights with relation to criminal activity. Thomas Jefferson (you know, the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence) understood the true reason our Founding Fathers assured our nation’s gun rights when he said, “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

    Incidentally, I think G.B. is having you on.

    • 45caliber

      Airborne, which unit? I was 173rd and 82nd in Vietnam.

      • Robert Simmons

        45caliber you should check out a non partisian organization called GOOOH which stands for get out of our house , they are trying to replace all 435 members of the house of representatives.These people share your beliefs and are not just hustling for money like some groups.

  • 45caliber

    I have to agree about the media and Loughner.

    When the first multiple murderer got so much attention, everyone else tried to “break the record”. When the first school shooting occurred, others tried to “break the record” so they could be “famous” too. And now there are sure to be some crazies out there who will try to beat Loughner so they can be famous too.

  • RAH-RAH

    Just remember the old saying: “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”.

  • mrvic

    Where I come from, even though is constitutional, it is very hard to own a gun. Guess what? Crime, drugs and corruption are at the top of our social problems. Gun control is not the answer. I believe God is.

  • Robert Simmons

    What is really amazing is that people keep whinig and crying about gun deaths in America while the medical business kills over a hundred thousand of us each year because of incompetence and corruption !

    • 45caliber

      Yeah, but the media doesn’t talk about them every day on the news like they do the criminals. And it’s hard to hold a gun on a surgen when he has you under the influence.

    • eddie47d

      Then it is high time you speak up Robert on those incompetent doctors. If it is truly a problem then you might get a moment of fame on Fox or 60 minutes. Don’t expect anyone on this site to do anything about it so your da man.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    The NRA talks a good talk, but when the NRA backed Harry Reid, an anti-gunner who had manipulated the NRA by making it possible to finance a gun range in Las Vegas, the ended my membership with the NRA. My money now goes to the Gun Owners Association. Yeah, Las Vegas has their gun range, but potentially how long will it be before Harry Reid gets the guns banned?

    • JeffH

      Doug Rodrigues, you need to get your facts straight. The NRA has never endorsed Harry Reid. For all of Reid’s faults, he is a “gun guy”.

      I wrote the NRA and gave them notice of my disappointment with their considering endoring of Harry Reid is Nevada Senatorial race.

      Here is a copy of the reply I recieved: “Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA regarding the recent reports that the NRA-Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) has endorsed U.S. Senator Harry Reid for reelection. The NRA-PVF has not endorsed Senator Harry Reid.” NRA-PVF has not contributed to Sen. Reid for reelection. In 2004, Senator Reid’s last election, the NRA-PVF did not endorse him.

      Sen. Reid has proven himself to be a supporter of our Second Amendment rights. Early last year, Sen. Reid flatly stated that he would oppose any effort to reinstate an “assault weapons” ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the future. And Sen. Reid was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment into law) of the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” (PLCAA), which shut down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers, that attempted to hold them liable for the misuse of firearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also cosponsored S. 659 (PLCCA) in the 108th Congress and voted against “poison pill” amendments to it, including the Feinstein Amendment to ban so-called “assault weapons”, and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting ammunition. Sen. Reid voted for legislation that became law in 2006, to prohibit gun confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers and crew. In this congressional session, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign Amendment to repeal the Washington D.C. gun ban and restore self-defense rights in our nation’s capital. He cosponsored similar legislation–S. 1414–in the 108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This federal policy change just took effect on February 22. In addition, Sen. Reid voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity for state Right-to-Carry permits. Sen. Reid also voted twice for the Wicker Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked luggage. A vote on all of these amendments was made possible procedurally by Harry Reid in his capacity as Senate Majority Leader. Finally, Sen. Reid was among the 58 Senators who signed the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the McDonald v. Chicago case, just argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2, to decide whether the Second Amendment applies to states and localities. Thank you for contacting us and please keep an eye out for our grades and endorsements as the election nears.
      Sincerely, Kyle C NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

      • Dan az

        Good info JeffH!

    • JeffH

      Doug, I’m also a member of GOA and several other pro-gun organizations. Our best hope is to maintain our power in numbers. I don’t believe in taking a hard stance against the NRA over their thanks to Reid for the Las Vegas shooting facility. I don’t like Reid one bit but I will give him cedit for the support he gave the gun community in Vegas and his signature on the the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the McDonald v. Chicago case.

      • Al

        That may be true but why didn’t Las Vegas honor the NV concealled permit. Florida just removed NV from is reciprocal list.

        I’m glad that I made several visits to LV but won’t return because there are too many dummy voters there. Reid should have been gone.

        • JeffH

          Zl, I agree, Reid should have been gone. I live in California and they keep voting in Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein. Go figure!

          • JeffH

            Al, notZl…oops…

    • Al

      Thanks for the info. on the NRA. I know that they are none Partison but to back Reid on anything seem wrong.

      • Vicki

        With friends like Reid who needs enemies.

  • JimH

    A guy gets pulled over by the police. They find a .380 auto in his coat pocket, a 9mm in a shoulder holster, a .357 in his glove box and a 12 guage and AR15 in his trunk. The cop says, what are you afraid of? The guy says, nothin.

    • JC

      Exactly! ;)

  • sar

    The first thing that G.B. will do when confronted by a determined, violent criminal is pee in his pants and call A MAN WITH A GUN TO PROTECT HIM…..A COP!!

  • G.B.

    Remember, cops have THOUSANDS OF HOURS of frequent, grueling, intense training in how to use a gun. By the time he gets out of the academy, a cop is like a Jedi Knight compared to an silly “armed citizen”! Don’t forget, most gangbangers are super-tough, have been in dozens (if not hundreds)of brutal fights and never lost ONE of them (if they did, they’d be branded as wimps and kicked out of the gang!) What makes you think that you, as an ordinary law-abiding person, wouldn’t just get your gun taken away and stuffed up your wazoo by a typical thug???
    Criminals tend to be young and physically flawless (ever seen a fat one, or one with glasses?) They’re so quick and so strong, what chance would you have against one? Also… at the risk of coming across as racist, (WHICH I’M NOT) a lot of criminals are black. Black guys are TOUGH. Listen to gangsta rap sometime!
    Also, most thugs and gangbangers have been in, and WON shootouts against other criminals. A lot of you have never been in a real fistfight, much less a gunfight. What chance would you have?
    There was a really good 20/20 show a couple years ago titled “If I Only Had A Gun.” Watch it sometime.
    The only way we can be safe is to BAN ALL AUTOMATIC GUNS (with possible exceptions for certain, tightly regulated hunting guns) and practice/teach our kids reasoning skills, to TALK our way out of trouble.
    OBAMA IN 2012!

    • JeffH

      G.B., are you for real? Educate yourself a bit…and I’m not talking about anti-gun blogs or TV shows.

      To even own an automatic weapons require a very special license. There ain’t no automatic “hunting guns”, they’re against the law. Automatic weapons cost thousands of dollars, far more than most of us will spend for a good, safe and secure nights rest.

    • Vicki

      G.B. writes more satire:
      “Remember, cops have THOUSANDS OF HOURS of frequent, grueling, intense training in how to use a gun. By the time he gets out of the academy, a cop is like a Jedi Knight compared to an silly “armed citizen”!”

      “Armed Citizens Make Fewer Mistakes Than Police

      Don’t think that just because the police are trained in the use of firearms that they are less likely to kill an innocent person. A University of Chicago Study revealed that in 1993 approximately 700,000 police killed 330 innocent individuals, while approximately 250,000,000 private citizens only killed 30 innocent people. Do the math. That’s a per capita rate for the police, of almost 4000 times higher than the population in general. OK, that is a little misleading. Let’s just include the 80,000,000 gun owning citizens. Now the police are down to only a 1200 times higher accidental shooting rate than the gun-owning population in general.

      “According to a study by Newsweek magazine, only 2% of civilian shootings involve an innocent person being shot (not killed). The error rate for police is 11%. What this means is that you are more than 5 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. But, when you consider that citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as do police every year, it means that, per capita, you are more than 11 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. That is as low as I can get that number.”
      http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

      Some Jedi. Give me civilians please.

      • independant thinker

        “G.B. writes more satire:”

        Thats what I thought as well but after re-reading his posts I have come to the conclusion he actualy believes the drives he posts.

        • vicki

          Weather he believes it or not it is still good to poke holes in. All that brainwashing propaganda needs deflating. Often.

          • vicki

            Oops whether not weather. :)

    • Vicki

      G.B. watches too much tv:
      “Don’t forget, most gangbangers are super-tough, have been in dozens (if not hundreds)of brutal fights and never lost ONE of them (if they did, they’d be branded as wimps and kicked out of the gang!) What makes you think that you, as an ordinary law-abiding person, wouldn’t just get your gun taken away and stuffed up your wazoo by a typical thug???”

      Every 13 seconds an American gun owner uses a firearm in defense against a criminal.

      That means in the time it took to read the above comment from G.B. your typical thug ran like a scared rabbit. 13 seconds from now another will run away. Nice tough thugs you got there G.B.
      http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html

    • Vicki

      Here is an example of 2 of those tough thugs G.B. talks about.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_RQRRrRTCA

    • Vicki

      And another. The thugs remind me of rabbits running back and forth trying to get away.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCYTKaYsToA

    • Vicki

      G.B. writes:
      “Criminals tend to be young and physically flawless (ever seen a fat one, or one with glasses?) ”

      Well. Yes Actually. Here’s one now.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwDnl6dSPs

    • Vicki

      G.B. writes:
      “There was a really good 20/20 show a couple years ago titled “If I Only Had A Gun.” Watch it sometime.”

      There’s a bunch of really good videos on youtube showing what REALLY happens when the intended victim had a gun. Just look above.

      G.B. writes:
      “and practice/teach our kids reasoning skills, to TALK our way out of trouble.”

      Feel free. Just stop insisting that all of us attempt “suicide by criminal”. We are not particularly suicidal.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, you kill me when you do that!
        That’s a good thing tho…I just love it. As Joe Friday says in Dragnet, “the facts ma’am, just stick to the facts”.

      • libertytrain

        I was just imagining myself trying to talk my way out of being murdered. I’m unfortunately not bilingual and that seems to be a necessity in many cases these days. Darn.

        • libertytrain

          Well, I can speak a few words of Spanish, a few in German, nothing that won’t get me killed.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Yeah, like the sheep reason with the wolf. Combat veterans drop the hammer on far more cretins than your average police dept. will in 50 yrs. Being a loudmoth gang banging street monkey doesn’t make you tough, it just makes them annoying. The drugs make them crazy. They are no match for a man with a Tarrus Judge and the will to use it. It’s time we start sweeping the streets if the cops and the courts won’t or can’t do their jobs.

  • JimH

    GB, Gosh, because there is a chance I might not win against a criminal I guess I should just give up right now and not even try.(sarcasm) You overestimate criminals. They are not supperior to us. If they know there is a chance we can fight back, they will move on to a weaker victim.(that may be the reason YOU think they have never lost a fight)
    Yuo ask “IF you have never been in a fist fight, much less a gun fight,what chance would you have?” More of a chance than just LETTING them kill me.
    You don’t REASON with a rabid dog, you shoot it.

    • JeffH

      JimH, you right. What G.B. doesn’t realize is that everyone is human, even the bad guys. That doesn’t make them any bigger, badder or tougher than the honest folks just because they’re thugs and criminals. They bleed and die as well as those they prey upon.

      As for G.B.’s comment, “a cop is like a Jedi Knight compared to an silly “armed citizen”!”. All I have to say to that is to ask a veteran or anybody that has had any firearm training or self defense training if they’re a silly “armed citizen”?

      Stupid is as stupid does!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Jim: I was just thinking of what a pathetic excuse of a man GB is. Could you imagine being his wife or children, assuming he has some ?
      When the animals kick in his door to rape his wife and kill his kids he’ll stand by and try to reason with them. where do these weaklings come from ? He should have his kids taken away from him for being an unfit father. He may as well put up a “gun free zone” sign in his front yard. could you imagine being in a foxhole with such a puke ? Thank God his kind avoids the military, at least combat arms.

      • JimH

        Gunner, GB(gnat brains) or (gnat balls) would be useless in an emergency situation. For his families sake I pray he is never put in a dangerous situation.

  • Marty

    this is dedicated to GB and all the loving criminal idiots.

    watch this video clip

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0D78JtxmqI

    I will play the part of the victim and you will play the part of the crime watch thug!!!!!

  • http://AOL Glock27

    The courts across this Nation have consistantly ruled that the police do not have a legal requirement to protect its citizens from murders and madmen. Since this is the case who then is going to protect you against a violent criminal or an emotionally enraged idiot from inflicting violent harm and death to you or your loved ones. Only you. More stupid gun laws to prevent citizens from arming themselves against attack is intended only as a proceedural step in enslaving this great Nation I am armed (legally) and carry. I will use my firearm to protect myself, wife, children and grandchildren from any murder or madman if I am in the place where it happens.
    Document after document showes that the Brady Bill and all other instant check systems do not keep guns out of the hands of those deemed illegal to have. The FBI has reported that it is an average of 6 years from the purchase of a gun to its involvement in a shooting. Ergo. Gun laws do not stop criminal activity.

  • http://AOL Glock27

    P.S G.B. is brain damaged. Convincing him to alter his perspective verbally or in writing or with video’s will never work; I doubt that even having his wife raped and kids murdered before his eyes would change his position. Please! You have to remember he is brain damaged, mentally defective, mentally incompetend, uneducated, stupid and a pile more adjectives

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