Non-Participation As An Effective Weapon Against Tyranny

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Legitimate revolution takes time, patience and fortitude. Unfortunately, this is a strategic concept that is lost on many Americans today who suffer from a now common ailment of attention deficit disorder and an obsession with immediate gratification. Even many who have their hearts in the right place and who work to defend and resurrect our nation’s founding ideals seem to believe that any action to defeat corrupt oligarchy must be effective immediately, otherwise, it’s not worth the attempt. History, of course, teaches us the opposite.

The American rebellion against the British monarchy was not an abrupt or immediate affair. Anger and unrest over the trespasses of King George simmered for decades. The first British troops stationed with the intent to stifle colonial freedoms arrived in Massachusetts in 1768. The Boston Massacre took place in 1770, and still, the Founders refused to leap into open retaliation. Lexington Green and the “shot heard around the world” did not take place until April 19, 1775. The Revolution took years to culminate into an actual physical war. So what did the colonists do in the meantime? Sit on their hands?

In fact, early Americans employed economic tactics against their enemy long before they picked up muskets and powder. British imports were turned away or destroyed. Clothing and other items normally shipped from Europe to be sold in the colonies were boycotted, while colonists began producing all of their own survival necessities. They refused to participate in the system that was designed to enslave them and this gave them a foundation on which to launch their eventual fight for liberty. Without efforts in economic independence, the American Revolution may not have ever taken place.

I always recall this example whenever I am confronted with a gung-ho liberty movement activist who demands to know when “we” are going to “do something” about criminal government. Or, when I am confronted by nihilists who proclaim that “we” should have “pulled the trigger” long ago, and now it is “too late to do anything.” The Founders had the same doubts and faced the same naysayers, and had the wisdom to act with the correct force at the correct moment.

The methods of non-participation have been repeated in many dissenting actions against despotic establishments, often with much success. This does not mean that one can necessarily topple tyrants simply by refusing to use their goods or their currency. That would be a childish assumption. However, the process of learning to become self sufficient makes each person more effective as an activist or revolutionary, and thus, more dangerous to those who seek control.

Sadly, one of the greatest threats to the American public in 2013 is the possibility that our government will cut off public access to Federal funds. Our society has become so addicted to government money that up to one third of the country relies on some form of paycheck or welfare from the system. If the system breaks, or is deliberately sabotaged, the sickening level of citizen dependency today makes catastrophe inevitable.

The most interesting aspect of the current “shut-down” situation is the fear it is generating, and the partisan fury it facilitates. Republicans and Democrats are nearly ready to tear each others’ throats out all over the continuance or non-continuance of a political body that no longer functions anyway and has become a middle-man for global banks. This interests me because it is an entirely solvable problem, yet the average American appears completely ignorant of the fix.

Most people are either ready to riot, ready to undermine themselves with bad legislation or a Constitutional Convention, or they have become despondent and uselessly morose, when all they really have to do is consider that perhaps they should not be so dependent on such an unstable economic structure or government in the first place.

The real power is in our hands, and has always been in our hands. Federal welfare, and the idea of the loving provider nanny state are the great illusions. The idea of toppling this soulless machine, though needed, is also inadequate by itself.

The mindless drive for infinite spending often associated with the “Left” is a recipe for utter fiscal disaster in the form of suffocating liabilities, massive deficits and a hyperinflated dollar. The mainstream Republican notion that there will be no consequences if debt default occurs, though, is equally foolish. I have been astounded by false assertions from the GOP that American tax revenues will be more than enough to cover interest payments on U.S. debts. There are many conservatives and Liberty Movement analysts that should know better than to use official Treasury Department interest numbers and debt numbers to support their arguments.

Given that the real U.S. National debt including entitlement programs is estimated at around $200 trillion, and real deficit figures stand at around $5 trillion per year, I’m wondering how anyone in their right mind could claim that annual tax revenues of $2.5 trillion (2012 direct revenue numbers) could possibly cover foreign interest payments on top of existing liabilities?

This problem does not take into account the fact that median household incomes have been dropping every year for the past five years, thus diminishing tax revenue opportunities. It does not take into account the massive spike in interest payments that would come with a foreign sell-off of U.S. Treasury debt. It does not take into account the possibility that foreign creditors might refuse to accept payment on interest in U.S. dollar. Nor does it take into account the eventual loss of international faith in the dollar as the world reserve currency, which would rain havoc down upon the U.S. populace in the form of dollar devaluation and exploding prices on every commodity imaginable. Think this cannot or will not happen? The Chinese are now openly calling for it to happen! 

Let’s not delude ourselves, fellow conservatives. There is a steep price to be paid for debt default. Attempting to gloss over the consequences will only make it easier for the mainstream media to demonize us later down the road. There is no way around it. There is no magical silver bullet solution to avoid the pain. We will have to take our medicine, one way or the other…

Whether the White House gets its way, or no-one gets his way and the whole debacle ends in default, America’s economy will face the same destruction on only slightly different timetables. As I pointed out in my last article, The Possible Outcomes Of The Shutdown Theater,  the only conceivable winners will be international banks, who want to dismantle the United States, our economy, our sovereignty and our Constitution to make way for a new global financial edifice.

If there is no way for the average American to win this game because the rules have been written by our opponent, then perhaps we should stop playing the game altogether.

This means millions of Americans must actively pursue a more independent standard of living. This means each and every person must learn to provide all of their own survival necessities, including food, water, shelter, energy and self defense. This means growing a well-planned garden and educating one’s self on raising livestock. This means learning a valuable trade skill that is useful and always sought after regardless of the state of the mainstream economy. This means striving for off-grid status and cutting ties to electric and water utility companies. This means training to keep one’s self and one’s family safe in an atmosphere of violence where state sanctioned law enforcement may not be present to protect you. This means building relationships within one’s neighborhood, town or county that allow for proactive organization without the oversight of government. This means establishing alternative local trade (like a barter market) that is not dependent on the Internet or any other government watched and regulated network.

There are those within the Liberty Movement that are working to make it easier for regular people to transition away from the mainstream, providing outlets for education and organization for those seeking more independence through non-participation. My own website, www.Alt-Market.com, is geared towards helping people network for barter and mutual aid at the local level.

Oath Keepers, a Constitutional organization of veterans, currently serving military, police, firefighters and concerned civilians, has just launched its “Civilization Preservation Program.” It is designed to set up highly adaptable training groups across the U.S. who will teach any interested citizens within their community the survival methods needed to endure disaster, whether natural or man-made, as well as how to rebuild as the storm subsides.

If one is dependent on a tyrant, one cannot hope to defeat that tyrant. The reason so many people are afraid of the results of government shutdown and debt default is because so many people refuse to step away from the system. The reason so many people are afraid to fight back is because they have seen the establishment as their source of income for so long. If more Americans were self-reliant, if more Americans were willing to give up free goodies from the state, if more Americans built their own economic foundations, a collapse of our financial structure would be meaningless. We could simply sit back comfortably and let it die, for why would we care about the funeral pyre of a vicious and reckless political/corporate suicide train?

As things stand at this moment, though, the death of the system is not something to cheer, no matter how much we might wish it to crumble under the weight of its own criminality. The collapse of the existing system will not be the end of our troubles, only the beginning. Chaos always opens doors for evil men, and they will certainly take full advantage of the chaos triggered by shutdown, default or continued inflationary debt spending.

We must make ourselves ready to resist by making ourselves separate from the monster we plan to fight. Crisis waits for no one, and on the path our nation now walks, crisis is assured.

- Brandon Smith

Note from the Editor: Hyperinflation is becoming more visible every day—just notice the next time you shop for groceries. All signs say America’s economic recovery is expected to take a nose dive and before it gets any worse you should read The Uncensored Survivalist. This book contains sensible advice on how to avoid total financial devastation and how to survive on your own if necessary. Click here for your free copy.

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Brandon Smith

is the founder of the Alternative Market Project, an organization designed to help you find like-minded activists and preppers in your local area so that you can network and construct communities for barter and mutual aid. Join Alt-Market.com today and learn what it means to step away from the unstable mainstream system and build something better. You can contact Brandon Smith at: brandon@alt-market.com

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  • fahkir1

    It’s all a part of obutheads plan to bring the US down to the third world level. It’s been his main target from day one. And, day one was 25 years ago. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

    • Harold Olsen

      Third World? Try Fourth World. He wants this country as far down below every other country in the world as he can. People who continue supporting Obama are guilty of treason.

    • Harold Olsen

      Third World? Try Fourth World. He wants this country as far down below every other country in the world as he can. People who continue supporting Obama are guilty of treason.

  • Golavar

    It is what our group have been advocating for 14 years now and have gained no traction. We pushed it in two different agendas. If you are interested, I will gladly send it to you.

    • Vigilant

      I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for someone here to publish their name and address.

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Vigilant,

        What do you mean?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Vigilant

          Dear Mr. Livingston,

          I thought my meaning was quite clear and straightforward.

          Simply that the exchange of information is unlikely to be effected on this site. Anonymity has its benefits, and I can’t imagine submitting my name and address on this site to obtain that information. I wouldn’t put it above smilee, Alex and others to send me hate letters if I were to divulge that information on PLD.

          If, as you said above, you could obtain the info from Golavar so you could tell us, that would indeed be a service.

          • smilee

            You would get no hate letters from me, but I’m betting i would get them from many here!

          • Vigilant

            One does not hate either a small mammal or a small human being with diminished intelligence.

            Ergo, you’re probably safe.

            Note the correct spelling of “you’re.”

          • smilee

            That is exactly why we do not hate you, we pity you!

          • Vigilant

            We? You got a mouse in your pocket?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dream on. You’re not worth our time, Sleepee.

          • Don 2

            You give yourself too much credit smilee. No one here would waste a good stamp.

          • smilee

            Intelligent people could could come up with something much better than than your stupid post.

          • Don 2

            ‘could could’ they? ‘than than’ would that be you?

          • smilee

            You are a real joke!!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            Forgive me. I did not take it that way. Thanks for clarifying.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Vigilant

            You’re forgiven; forgive me for being unintentionally obscure.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Golavar,

      You can send information to freedomwatch@personalliberty.com

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Motofool

    Understanding that a true rebellion from the heart which includes the majority takes time, i feel that the Information Age and our technology would decrease the amount of time needed to bring about the same results.

  • Matforce

    The nation’s founding ideals are based on a sovereign nation that works for ALL of the people. Our nation (I use the term “our” loosely) has been handed over to Corporate interests that are designed to maximize their bottom liine. They are using the “global economy” as an weapon against our high wage and standard of living, as they plunder what is left of the world’s largest consumer economy with cheap Chinese imports while China is one of the only nations on earth that is flush with cash, in exchange for their collusion with our “multinationals” to oppress and exploit their workforce. Sucks for us, until our legislators grow a pair and demand “fair trade,” not Free Trade with sweatshops and we make an attempt to return jobs to the commoners of the USA once again. Frankly; don’t see it happening, especially while the extreme right has targeted the USA government as the enemy, when they are the only entity that CAN take on BIG $$$ and do the bidding of we the PEOPLE. The corporations that back the Tea Party with their cash and then hide behind their anti-government mantra, who’ve been raking in record profits for over 30 years now, consolidating wealth unto themselves like we haven’t seen in 100 years, won’t.

    • Slim Simon Sardinowitz

      Don’t you mean, “the only entity (Govt.) that CAN TAKE BIG (Corporate) $$$”…rather than “Take on Big $$”???….& this corruption by our REPRESENTATIVES is not limited to the GOP/Conservatives!

    • Bill

      You are missing the point, Mat
      The lefts failed economic policies that demonize business have forced them to outsource. If you want to keep the jobs at home, create an environment where business can expand, instead of the current situation where business has to protect itself or go under

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Matforce says — “Our nation (I use the term “our” loosely) has been handed over to Corporate interests that are designed to maximize their bottom liine”.
      There was no “handed over”, Matforce. Our nation was established by Money Changers:
      http://mises.org/daily/4254/Liberty-vs-the-Constitution-The-Early-Struggle

      They had to behave themselves in the early years because of the revolutionary fervor in the citizens. But it was just a matter of 70 years before they re-established themselves as full-fledged Mercantilists.

      If you’re the average guy trying to make sense of all this, these two books by Murray Rothbard are indispensable:
      http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
      http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

    • vicki

      The key difference that you (matforce) missed is consent. Corporations have one job in life. Make money. They do that by creating a product or service that people WANT to buy. They can not force you to buy the product or service. They must persuade you to do so.

      Government CAN, will and has forced us to buy (or not buy) products and services. There is who our nation has been handed over to. Uncontrolled government.

  • KG

    I like the way Brandon subtly insults his audience by making subtle comments like: …on many Americans today who suffer from a now common ailment of attention deficit disorder and an obsession with immediate gratification… you know whos he talking about? Anyone who agrees with his seditious ideas but seem to be reticent in admitting them.

    quote: There are many conservatives and Liberty Movement analysts that should know better than to use official Treasury Department interest numbers and debt numbers to support their arguments.

    I’ll remember that the next time I’m arguing about the GNP or Unemployment. I’ll do what you seem to do, Agent Smith et al, I’ll just ‘make it up’.

    quote: Our society has become so addicted to government money that up to one third of the country relies on some form of paycheck or welfare from the system.

    So, 1/3rd of the grey-haired Tea Party (or, actually like ALL of the grey-haired idiots in tri-cornered hats) who receive Social Security will have to be ‘cut-off’? Won’t that put a damper on your so-called ‘Revolution’?

    I guess Haliburton, Shell, Exxon/Mobile and KBR won’t get paid either?

    quote: We could simply sit back comfortably and let it die, for why would we care about the funeral pyre of a vicious and reckless political/corporate suicide train?

    OK…I give up….

    • peter

      Instead of arguing you perhaps should try discussion. There is a considerable difference. Argument is simply implying that the other person is wrong, discussion entails entertaining their narrative for ponder and consideration and not just retaliation for the sake of being otherwise.

      • KG

        Discussion is all nice and proper, however, the Religious fRightwing/Republican/Libertarian/Nazi persuaded individuals are showing us exactly what ‘discussion’ means in the Congress. It means ” No mater what facts or logical persuasion you use, WE are always right.”

        Our Congress as well as the Senate, was always intended to be in the classical Greek/Roman tradition of debate and impassioned rhetoric. However, it has become a ‘Reichstag’ bully pulpit for the Conservative Nazis.

        But, of course, YOU are ALWAYS right, right?

        • Vigilant

          ” No mater [sic] what facts or logical persuasion you use, WE are always right.”

          Indeed, case in point. You’ve been told a hundred times that Naziism/fascism are leftist philosophies, NOT right wing, but you persist in your stupidity.

          Leftists are STATISTS. Communism and fascism are peas in a pod, regardless of the philosophy they espouse. The record of history is open for all to see. Those pernicious positions do NOT advocate reductions/restrictions on government control.

          Conservatives and Libertarians ALWAYS assert that individuals thrive and prosper more under LESS government.

          Wake up and cease attempting to promulgate the canard that Naziism ever was or is a rightist philosophy..

          • KG

            A very popular argument by the Right is say that the Nazis were Leftwing, when in fact they were Rightwing in both Germany and the United States.

            The Nazis were pro-Christian, anti-communist, certainly anti-Marxist, imprisoned atheist and labor leaders–that sounds right-wing to me! So since the Nazis embraced the Catholic Church (and the Church embraced Hitler), should we call Christianity fascist? And why did the Nazis view “liberals” as their enemy?

            In America, German Fascism dazzled many American leaders of capitalist industry. They were William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy(JFK’s father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon(head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Henry Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush (don’t forget him), National City Bank, and General Electric.

            And lets not forget all of the wonderful Conservative Economists like Hayek, Von Misies, Rothbard, Greenspan etc.

          • Vigilant

            “The Nazis were pro-Christian, anti-communist, certainly anti-Marxist, imprisoned atheist and labor leaders–that sounds right-wing to me!”

            When one lives under an ocean of political fantasy, it’s useful to come up and get a cleansing breath of fresh reality. You are long overdue.

            There are both Sunni and Shiite Muslims in this world. Both claim to have the answers for the salvation of mankind but the Islamists in their ranks are evil regardless of the religious philosophy they espouse. They are no different than the communists and the Nazis.

            Your take on what “sounds right wing” to you is not only a product of spending so much time behind the tree that you can’t see the forest, it is the naïve and sophomoric outcome of the “true believer.” Eric Hoffer described you PERFECTLY.

            You see differences in particulars, the person of normal intelligence sees the “bottom line” and identical ultimate result of both philosophies: OPPRESSION. If you can’t see that then you are in dire need of a dose of reality.

            Your “knowledge” of history leaves something to be desired as well. To say that the Nazis were “pro-Christian” is a damned lie. Priests and ministers were interned and KILLED at Dachau and other concentration camps for speaking out against the oppression of Naziism.

            The Nazis were not the first, nor will they be the last, to use popular sentiment to gain power in ways that later killed the very institutions they claimed to support. Hitler was elected democratically but thumbed his nose at democratic institutions when he gained the power of the chancellorship.

            Lastly, and perhaps most importantly in pointing out the mendacity of your comments, TELL US OF JUST ONE INSTANCE ON THIS SITE WHERE ANY TRUE CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERTARIAN HAS EVER ADVOCATED THE IMPRISONMENT OF ATHEISTS OR LABOR LEADERS, OR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY..

            I’ll wait with bated breath. If you can’t answer that question with a direct answer then you will have admitted to the whole world that you are not just a liar but a damned liar. And don’t give us the obtuse “smilee” treatment.

          • KG

            Eric Hoffer was writing about the Right Wing Fascists he saw in America.

            When you put the qualifier “true” it seems the argument becomes a matter of opinion. I would call Bill Clinton a ‘true’ christian because he has acknowledged the ‘sin’ in his life. While someone like the preacher John Hagee is nothing but a lying pharisee.

          • Vigilant

            Wrong again. Hoffer was writing about ALL mass movements. I’ve got the book, I’ve read it.

            Who said anything about true Christians. I said “”true Conservative or Libertarian.”

            Again, if you have the sack to answer it, “TELL US OF JUST ONE INSTANCE ON THIS SITE WHERE ANY TRUE CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERTARIAN HAS EVER ADVOCATED THE IMPRISONMENT OF ATHEISTS OR LABOR LEADERS, OR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY..”

          • KG

            Yes. Every time someone says they are as Bob would put it ‘Ultra Conservative’. What Scott Walker did to the Union workers of Wisconsin and what Tele-evangelists do every Sunday morning would be proof enough if you listen closely to what they are saying.

          • Vigilant

            Quit the smilee tactics and answer the question, if you can.

          • KG

            Bad dog, no scooby snack!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re lying as usual, Shill KGB. Why in the world do you think you have any credibility whatsoever on this board?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “The Nazis were pro-Christian, anti-communist, certainly anti-Marxist, imprisoned atheist and labor leaders”.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
            “The Nazi Party was founded as the nationalist and antisemitic German Workers’ Party in January 1919. By the early 1920s, Adolf Hitler had become its leader and assumed control of the organisation, now renamed the National Socialist German Workers’ Party”.
            You know all this, KGB, as you’ve been corrected many times before. But then, we regulars know that you are just here to disrupt the board with your lies and slander.
            KGB, Folks, is a good example of the kind of people who will be messing with your lives if we don’t push back the Socialists and Shrink our Government dramatically.

          • vicki

            What we really need to do for people willing to actually learn is to show them that the left/right argument is the wrong spectrum to discuss government control. The proper spectrum is percent of government from 100%-0%. Nazi and socialist both want and push for 100% government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I try to steer clear of the left-wing/right-wing nomenclature because it means different things to different people.

          • vicki

            NAZI right wing? lets see.

            http://www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers/defining/leftwing_or_rightwing.htm

            Look at that. We found where KG plagiarizes some of his comments

      • Bill

        Hi Peter,
        There is no discussion with the socialist posters on this site. The philosophies are two far apart

    • David

      Perhaps a better question to ask yourself would be why you feel “insulted” at all, KG? Did something in the article hit a little too close to home?

      • KG

        I didn’t feel insulted. More like perplexed at Agent’s Smiths seditious, subversive and mutinous attitude towards the greatest Nation on Earth. What hit close was the outright hatred for Americas Institutions, and yet, Agent Smith would be the first one to wrap himself-up in the American flag.

        That, my friend, is sickness of the soul. May be Agent Smith needs to spend some time where you do not have the rights and privileges like we have here.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          But you said “I like the way Brandon subtly insults his audience”, Shill Cagey. Would you make up your mind?

        • Blank Reg

          Go back and read the Patriot Act cover to cover, Cagey, as well as the Homeland Security bill (it’s better in the original German), Military Commissions Act, and NDAA. Then tell me again how many “rights and privileges” we have left. Yes, before you say it, I will – all these things are Bush Jong Il’s handiwork. But the Dems held the congress after the 2006 midterms, and the white house after 2008. From 2007 – 2011, Dems had the field to themselves, and the opportunity to reverse any and all of those insidious pieces of legislation, not to mention stopping a couple of wars. But no, they didn’t. And “their guy” took all those new toys Bush Jong Il handed him and turned the screws on us eve more.

          “Revolution” begins in the mind…

    • Brandon Smith

      All of the data supplied in the article is calculated using the same methods the government used NOT LONG AGO. They have changed the way they determine official economic stats in the past two decades (post-Reagan) in order to better hide the true decline of the economy. You can easily find these same numbers used on occasion by mainstream financial media like Bloomberg, Reuters, and Forbes, though they do not admit to the real data often. I highly suggest you educate yourself further on these facts in order avoid ignorant outbursts in the future.

      • vietnamvet1971

        kg in his Rush to defend his Liberal LIES and to support his president’s LIES he does the usual Liberal smear against any one that may prove or have Info that shows the Liberal LIES for what they are BALDERDASH & Factoids knowing IF they throw enough BS some will stick and the uninformed or those that believe the Fairy tales from the Liberal book will impress a few.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        D’oh! :-) :-) :-) well said and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. You have to excuse KG as he is our resident communist. He believes we should fly the Scarlet Banner and not the Stars and Stripes. This is not about the economy, but this article is about a GOP candidate going to Iowa already. It seems that Sarah Palin may be thinking about running again in 2016. I’d vote for her over Hitlery any time.
        http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2013/10/14/guess-whos-going-to-iowa-n1723694
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves KG out.
        “The future is as bright as the promises of God.”
        William Carey

        • smilee

          The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!!!

          • vicki

            Ad hominem

          • smilee

            LOL you cannot honestly say what I said is not true though so you resort to stupid responses like this.

          • vicki

            Can and did. You offer no proof. You have no credibility.

          • smilee

            I have offered lots of proof but as long as you are brainwashed you will remain in the dark and clueless.

          • vicki

            IF you offered proof you could do so again. That you don’t answers the question.

          • smilee

            I do not play those silly games, you can go find them as they are here. Grow up!

      • KG

        Sorry Agent Smith, but the methods were being changed in the latter years of Reagans term and were put in full fruition under CIA H.W. Bush. The reported unemployment rate of 1989-1990 was like 7-8% while the actual rate was something like 20-25%.

        And don’t forget the S&L crisis that precipitated the recession of 1990-92. all done with bad numberd supplied by the CIA H.W. Bush regime.

        • Bill

          Kg,
          Bla Bla Bla, it’s all Reagan and Bush’s fault.
          Now you are just getting boring

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Agent Smith? You are projecting, Shill Cagey.

      • Bill

        You are so right, Brandon,
        They have cooked the books to sell their agenda. We have two economies; the one that the media wants us to think is true and the real economy that is dismantling the middle class

    • Vigilant

      “Anyone who agrees with his seditious ideas…”

      “Seditious”? Better look up that word before you misuse it again.
      None of Mr. Smith’s ideas are seditious with regard to a government of, by and for the people.

      The only seditious ideas I’ve seen here have come from the keystrokes of fascists such as you.

      • KG

        se·di·tious
        siˈdiSHəs/
        adjective
        adjective: seditious
        1.
        inciting or causing people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

        Yes, Agent Smiths political screed definitely qualifies.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Remember, Cagey, ours is a Government by the People. This isn’t your Communist Fatherland.

        • Blank Reg

          Any “authority” that is established on a foundation of violence is hardly an “authority” commanding respect and obedience. Read “The World’s Most Dangerous Superstition” by Larken Rose, if you want a great treatise on the myth of authority, and how to liberate your thinking along those lines.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey is a Shill. He isn’t interested in anything other than the “liberation” of your money.
            But please keep posting because there are plenty of other readers who do want to learn. Those are the people who KGB wants to misinform.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “I’ll do what you seem to do, Agent Smith et al, I’ll just ‘make it up'”.
      Since when have you done anything different than that, Shill Cagey?

      • Vigilant

        Kudos for that unimpeachably true statement!

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Brandon Smith writes with knowledge and research and makes sense. He is right about the ADD and “gimme now” generation that we have. Just think about newlyweds wanting the new house, furniture, best in cars, etc. that their grandparents and parents worked long and hard for, saving until their “dream” could be achieved.

  • FreedomFighter

    Be Prepared, don’t subscribe to fatalism, free yourself now from the chains that are being put upon you.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! We all know what Hitlery is, but I cannot use those words on this site without being banned. Here is a short video about Hitlery.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/jihad-hillary/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “If we ever forget that we are One Nation UNder God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
      Ronald Reagan
      40th President of the U.S.

      • smilee

        The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Can you tell us specifically, Sleepee, what lies Samurai told?

          • smilee

            No need to single out any one lie as they are all lies, 100%

          • KG

            For one thing, the link to Western Journalism is a known right-wing propaganda site owned by the same people who own Newsmax and World Net Daily . These are financed by the Koch Brothers as well as the Banker tycoon Richard Mellon Scaife.

            Samurai is a master at ‘catapulting the Propaganda.’

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I asked what specific lies, Cagey. I didn’t ask for an argumentum ad hominem.
            Who finances you, Shill KGB?

          • KG

            That was NOT an ‘ad hominem’. Look up the sources of those websites and where they came from.

            “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, It’s probably a duck”
            Dan Rather
            News reporter for CBS

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure it was, Cagey. You are not attacking the subject matter of the article; rather you are attacking the organization which hosted the article. That is the essence of argumentum ad hominem.
            That’s why you have no credibility on this board, KGB.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So what.

          • FreedomFighter

            Obama takes advice from G. Bush Thanks Stan for the humor.
            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So what.
            According to your mindset only the Wealthy Dems/Progs/Leftists can own any media outlets, newspapers, the internet sites.

          • smilee

            We just do not like liars and that is what these propaganda sites specialize in!

          • smilee

            That is exactly why he has become know as the Propaganda Kid.

        • vicki

          ad hominem (again)

          • smilee

            LOL you cannot honestly say what I said is not true though so you resort to stupid responses like this.!!!

          • vicki

            sure I can. And did. You offer no proof at all that any of the things posted are lies. At least Samurai bothers to give us links rather than your near constant “proofs by bald assertion”

          • smilee

            They are all links to propaganda sites that is why he is the propaganda kid. I have given you people lots of proof but your so brainwashed by these propaganda sites you think it is not proof but it is.

          • vicki

            You have given us lots of bald assertions but as yet no proofs. If you had any you could provide them again.

    • KG

      “Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The
      proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite!”


      Karl Marx,

      The Communist Manifesto

      • FreedomFighter

        Time has proven Karl Marx lied, his movement motivated and financed by ancient satanic cults, his manifesto the work of the illumaniti. He was a personal failure in his own life and to his family.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So why did your Marx create bigger and more constraining chains? Wasn’t much of a messiah.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So why did your Marx create bigger and more constraining chains? Wasn’t much of a messiah.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        “[I]n COMMUNIST society, where NOBODY HAS one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he WISHES, SOCIETY REGULATES the general
        production and thus MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO ONE THING TODAY AND ANOTHER TOMORROW, to HUNT in the morning, FISH in the afternoon, REAR CATTLE in the
        evening, CRITICIZE after dinner.” – Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

        The leaders who followed this ideology – Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez – brought their people to
        the COLLECTIVE POVERTY. YOUR Illegal pResident does the same – greatly increasing unemployment and People’s dependency on the Food Stamps and Welfare programs.

        KG, when you are quoting Karl Marx, you have to keep in mind what kind of man wrote The Communist Manifesto.

        This man, Karl Marx, NEVER COULD HOLD DOWN A REAL STABLE SALARIED JOB. He had the CONSTANT money problems. He lived off his wife parents’ cash and donations from his uncle Rabbi and his faithful friend Engels for most of his life. He couldn’t take care about his family.

        And on the Utopian philosophy of this Charlatan your ideology stands.

      • Vigilant

        “Yaba Daba Doo.”

        – Fred Flintstone

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Another fine day in the greatest country on earth. As I look out the window, I see a graet day the Lord has given us. A scent of roasting libturds and progturds comes with the morning breeze. I love the smell of roasting libturds and progturds. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden.
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/debunking-obamas-latest-lie/
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/despicable-president-nations-history-barack-hussein/
    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “A man can build a throne from bayonets, but he can never sit upon it.”
    Sir Francis Bacon
    *Sounds like Obama bin Laden doesn’t it?

    • smilee

      The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Which lies are those, Sleepee? Be specific.

  • red neck

    Ah.. Don’t worry about the economy the GOP will cave in very soon and give king obama everything that he wants without so much as a whimper…. This should avoid the “debt ceiling” and the government “shut-down” debacle for a few months. Cry baby obama can then go back to doing what he does best….. Not a damn thing….

    • ridge runner

      Only rinos are in leadership positions, Demorat idea of compromise is, GOP always lets the socialist democrats get their way, so their media knee pad posterior leeches might give rinos bad press

  • Vigilant

    “This means training to keep one’s self and one’s family safe in an atmosphere of violence where state sanctioned law enforcement may not be present to protect you.”

    I submit that “state sanctioned law enforcement” in the chaos scenario will be the enemy, not the friend, of those trying to survive the debacle.

    The government has been for years tightening up the legal apparatus in anticipation of precisely the situation you describe. When the government itself fights the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, it is clearly preparing the way for martial law.

    With every purchase of inordinate amounts of arms and ammunition for DHS, IRS and other federal agencies, they are telling you they are ready to impose their will upon you at the point of a gun.

    Has your local sheriff purchased military surplus armored vehicles for “law enforcement?” They’re not buying them to curtail the burglary rate, unless burglars are now using IEDs.

    Purchasing gold & silver? The feds will confiscate it from you as soon as the balloon goes up (Re: FDR).

    Buying foodstuffs in large quantities? They know who you are and will be at your doorstep to collect these stores.

    Growing a garden? Again, they know who you are and will rape your garden and pantry for food distribution.

    Belong to a survivalist group or “militia?” You will be among the very FIRST to feel the sword of government in case of crisis, and your arms are no match for the firepower the government can bring to bear on you.

    While I have tried to become self-sufficient in some areas, I cherish no illusions as to the ultimate efficacy of government to thwart all or most of my plans if they choose to do so.

    • red neck

      Your correct… Also you must watch closely those that are around you that are aware that you have items for survival they will most certainly be coming for your goods as soon as the store shelves are empty. Who will protect you then?….. No body!.

      • Vigilant

        Excellent point.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Vigilant,

      Careful, KG, smilee, rbrooks, etc. will accuse you of anti-government tendencies and tinfoil hattery.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • KG

        Accuse? No I’m outright TELLING YOU you are a bunch of crackpots!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You have no credibility on this board, Cagey. The regulars know you as the lying misinforming Shill that you are.
          But please keep posting, so the newbies can see what they’re in for if we let your kind gain any more Power.

        • Vigilant

          By KG’s reckoning, the Founders were crackpots. Thanks for the compliment.

        • FreedomFighter

          p> OMGThanks for the humor.
          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

    • Bill

      Good comments, Vig

      • Vigilant

        Thank you.

    • Blank Reg

      Even so, striving to be as self-sufficient as one can is always a positive thing. And the best way to “match” government firepower is to stay out of its way, and don’t offer them an opportunity to use it. Gandhi taught us this. Non-cooperation on a mass scale.

  • FreedomFighter

    Rules for Radicals

    “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

    Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy': “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community rganizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… “An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent… He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises….

    “The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.” p.117

    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

    Obama and company are creating the pressure cooker, the results are now starting. The first to pop are usually those that have problems already.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    There is life after Federal subsidies. If the States would break away from the Union, they would no longer need to pay income tax or the myriad other federal taxes. And they could establish their own money — Hopefully real money at the least backed by gold. They maybe couldn’t keep the dependent seniors in the style they were previously accustomed to, but they could repay some of the money previously stolen from them by the Feds.
    If we adopted Free Markets, the resulting huge increases in productivity would make up in a few years for the loss of Federal Largess.
    If enough Conservative/Libertarian States got together, we could leave the Liberal/Neocon/Socialist States to their own destructive devices. Of course we’d have to arm ourselves to the teeth, because the Takers would be looking frantically for victims. But I think it could be done:
    Secession is in our future:
    http://mises.org/daily/3427

    • KG

      I live in Texas and the same arguments are made here. However, Texas isn’t a state as much as its a state of mind.

      Any state that were to secede would immediately see a large portion of their population forced to leave. I’m talking about the Social Security recipients. As well as any military presence. And Texas get’s almost a third of it’s income form the Federal Government anyway.

      If secession is in the future of America, there will be no more America.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The income they receive from the Federal Government would be offset by the income they no longer had to pay to the Federal Government.
        Also the Conservative States tend to have fewer money changers and more manufacturing than the Liberal Progressive States, so they would be more likely to be self-sufficient.

        • KG

          What kind of crack do you smoke????!!!

          • speedle24

            I think it is you that needs to check what’s in your crack pipe Karl. There is no question that Texas gives more than receives from the federal government. Check your facts before you write.
            By the way, I am distressed and embarassed) that you say you are from Texas. I prefer not to believe it, and in fact, based upon your phrasing “i live in Texas” I am hoping that you are in Texas as a result of some kind of job assignment (and you are actually a native of the District of Columbia or something). You did hit the nail on the head with the “state of mind” comment. I will credit you with that much.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey’s boiler room must be located in Texas. Maybe in a pasture where the odor is common so they can tolerate each other better.

      • Don 2

        Get out of here…..you live in Texas KG? Does Gov. Perry know that one of Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna’s men has infiltrated his red state?

    • Bill

      Hi Dave,
      I think you and Howard are on to something. Succession, and the break up of the United States might be the only option available after the fascists have run us into the dirt.

  • disqus_QbFtj0t67r

    Historians[17] have estimated that approximately 40 to 45 percent of the colonists supported the rebellion, while 15 to 20 percent remained loyal to the Crown. The rest attempted to remain neutral and kept a low profile.

    And what did our founding fathers do to the 55 to 60 percent of the population that did not support the terrorists under George Washington? Terror of course — their most common instrument was “tar and feathering” — use of boiling hot tar on the body, head and in the throat of those that did not agree with them.

    So before you invoke “founding fathers” in your comments, please know what you are talking about — the “founding fathers” were terrorists committing terror; thieves stealing personal property from the 60 percent that did not agree with them; pro-slavery; socialist; neo-cons.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Then, like now, there were evil psychopaths among the population. But to label all Founding Fathers as “terrorists” is just plain ridiculous. There were far more moral people in the general population then we have now.
      http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf
      http://mises.org/books/conceived2.pdf
      http://mises.org/books/conceived3.pdf
      http://mises.org/books/conceived4.pdf

      • KG

        What are you saying? Ben Franklin was NOT what you would call a ‘role model’. Other than his thriftiness and business acumen.
        The rest were mostly very young Men who served a lot of time on ships. And we ALL know what sailors do out at sea!

        Most of what ‘conservatives’ complain about modern culture is the exact same things that people did in the past. Today we have the Interwebs and television that make many events immediate and seem more threatening than they actually are.

    • Bill

      Qb,
      You just made all of that up to fit whatever agenda you are pushing

    • KG

      Psalm 37:11
      King James Version (KJV)
      11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        The question is WHO are the “meek”?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The people who KGB and his cohorts want to further plunder.

          • Vigilant

            …and make meeker.

          • WTS/JAY

            …and make dumber.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Cagey, you and your Dem/pProg/Leftist ideologues will not inherit the earth and they definitely will not create the abundance of peace to delight in.

  • Howard Rosenstein

    Sorry to disagree with the author. Nope, the possible failure to raise the debt ceiling simply forces the Socialist Federal Government to cut spending to avoid piercing the fake ceiling. As far as default, once again the author is woefully wrong. Our monthly Federal income is much more than enough to pay the interest and avoid default. I really wish the author would note his source when he claims that interest is actually 5 trillion a year. This stretch of truth should be confronted full force and the author should be banned from further publcation until he proves facts and provides sources. As far as non-participation in a despotic system, his ideas to do that are so far fetched, it is hard to believe this guy. Contrary to his dislike of State Constitutional Conventions, may I remind the author that this was the method our founders used to correct the onslaught of any tyranny. It appears the Conventions are our only absolute methods to put an end to the Socialist movement in our Federal Government. I suggest the author read the works of a real, legitimate author Mark Levin. “The Liberty Amendments” should be our guide to reigning in an obvious attempt by our Central Government to control our lives. The author’s ideas are just silly folly and gives the Statists plenty of time to institute Socialism, with no way to dig out from under it’s detrimental effects.

    • KG

      quote:I suggest the author read the works of a real, legitimate author Mark Levin.

      I agree with most of what you said, but when you wanted to give the little, greasy, hate-filled, self loathing Jewish mamas boy any credence in intellectual discussion I have to differ in the strongest terms.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You’re lying, KGB, as usual. I didn’t see Brandon mention your name once in his article.

        • KG

          LOL! AFK! BRB! LTR!

        • WTS/JAY

          Ha! Priceless!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Silly Folly? Maybe not:
      http://www.usdebtclock.org/
      Look at the US unfunded liabilities at the bottom right.

    • Bill

      Hi Howard,

      Thanks for some positive advice to stop this debacle, I appreciate that. I do agree with Brandon that we all need to be more dependent on ourselves and not on the government. We know how the job market has been stifled, so, the answer is to work for your self, cut your overhead and write off all of your expenses. The job market will not improve until the powers that be appreciate the goose that lays the golden eggs

    • Carl-Cathy Wisnesky

      HR. We really wish you could comprehend the written word as the author did not say our interest is 5 trillion a year. He said our actual real deficit is 5 trillion a year, meaning when one takes into account the upcoming unfunded liabilities, we would need an additional 5 trillion a year over what we are now spending (which is about 1 trillion more than we take in) to be able to cover these coming liabilities. Also, if our money lost its status as world reserve currency & we continue borrowing & “inventing” money each year (the Fed buying 85 billion a month in our US debt by “magically printing” the money to buy it), the interest rates on our debt would soar dramatically, from a current 26 billion a month (312 billion a year) at current average 2% interest rate to the IRS’s entire 2.5 trillion of income from taxes at interest rates now being paid by Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc., leaving 0 dollars for anything else. As a country, our finances are in deep dodo & there is no way out. The politicians can keep kicking the can down the time road for a while longer, but eventually, this whole Ponzi scheme must collapse.

      • Howard Rosenstein

        You may not believe it. I agree with most of what you presented. However, I want to ask you a question. As an individual United States citizen, what action or actions would you take to be non-compliant with the illegal dictates coming from the Federal statists? I stand my ground with the State Conventions to reign in the Socialist invasion. Besides, this method is a legitimate Constitutional device to put an end to the Kingdom of Washington D.C. and the Kings and Queens that occupy that corrupt city. I’d wager that amendments forcing term limits on Congress and the Supreme court would be law before the concept of non-compliance forces such an amendment. The same goes for elimination of the Income tax amendment, replaced by a flat tax or the “Fair tax” or abolishing rules and regulations created by non-elected bureaucrats. Did you know that thirty state legislatures are already debating the use of the U.S. Constitutional 5th amendment. I suggest a competition. Let’s see who subdues the Socialists first. If non-compliance wins, I will take you to an expensive dinner. If State Conventions gets us there first, you owe me a lavish dinner. Perhaps a combination of non-compliance and State Conventions is the answer. In that case, we pay for our own dinners, but go out and celebrate none the less.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Why replace the Income Tax with a Flat Tax or Fair Tax?
          We need simply to eliminate the 16th Amendment and get the US back to the State Legislatures paying for the Federal Government based on the size of their populations, as it was originally designed. Shrinkage of the Federal Government would follow that rapidly.
          We should also abolish the 17th Amendment, The Federal Reserve Act, and the Legal Tender Laws.
          Term Limits would be a useless endeavor. Without an educated populace, the voters would just put a new psychopath Politician, who was nominated by the Establishment, in the place of the old.

          • Howard Rosenstein

            Hey, I agree with many of the replies to my comments. It is apparent that many citizens on this site have put a lot of thought into their solutions and philosophies. It is now time to bring our conversations and debates to the next level, the State Conventions. A combination of non-compliance and State Conventions may be just what the doctor ordered to quell the infestation of roach-like socialists. It is obvious that we all want to tame our elected officials and to diminish the size of the Federal government to a level our founders envisioned.

    • TML

      HR says, “Nope, the possible failure to raise the debt ceiling simply forces the Socialist Federal Government to cut spending to avoid piercing the fake ceiling.”

      Incorrect; the appropriations have already been authorized by Congress, so refusing to raise the debt ceiling (‘credit limit’) of the United States to cover that spending would not force the Federal Government to cut spending. It only forces the Treasury to resort to ‘extraordinary measures’ in order to fund those government expenditures and obligations.

      HR says, “Our monthly Federal income is much more than enough to pay the interest and avoid default. I really wish the author would note his source when he claims that interest is actually 5 trillion a year.”

      The author never gave a source for how he comes up with the figures he gives as the “real U.S. National debt”, but do you then have a source that proves “our monthly Federal income is more than enough to pay the interest and avoid default”? I keep hearing this assertion with no supporting numbers.

      I wholeheartedly agree with the remainder of your comments. While preparations such as he mentions are always a good idea, even if for natural disasters, I don’t think non-participation is an effective way of ‘fighting the problem’. A Convention of States is the one method (aside from voting in competent people to Congress and the Executive) given in the Constitution to combat these kinds of things bypassing the Federal Government altogether, whether it is to propose Amendments that repeal the 16th and 17th, or instate a Balanced Budget Amendment that would place the ‘debt ceiling’ on Congressional spending (or even remove their power of borrowing money). This is the proper method to fight the system that I think can not be pushed aside by petty fears and false notions of a ‘runaway’ convention. Congress will never pass such Amendments that take away some of their own power.

      http://conventionofstates.com/

      http://www.alec.org/publications/article-v-handbook/

      • ChestNut Graztazowitz

        Iran SUX!!!

        • TML

          Ok, lol

  • smilee

    “median household incomes have been dropping every year for the past five years,”

    No, they have been dropping for the last thirty years, this was starting to happen in the late seventies and in the eighties Reagan’s policies put this on steroids and we have been going down hill every year since. The movie “Inequality for All” does a very good job of explaining. this correctly and I encourage every one to see it it is well worth your time and is in theaters now.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      So you’re admitting that the Size of Government is inversely proportional to the Size of our Economy?

      • smilee

        Shrinking wages, thus shrinking revenue from taxes because of it, greater gov spending to provide for those being underpaid (indirect subsidies to employers) is what is contributing to the size of our economy. Economy shrinks and growth slows when people do not buy thus the demand shrinks and the economy shrinks. Unions as they did in the past would help a lot in correcting this they have made it almost impossible for employees to organize.thus shutting off a lot of spending power and tax revenues and that has hurt this nation badly as has corporate take over of much of Congress with enough power to control them, Tea Party is pizzing off the corporate world though as they are not cooperating with them or anyone else with their stupid radical agenda that even they do not understand what they are doing!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Sleepee says — “Economy shrinks and growth slows when people do not buy thus the demand shrinks and the economy shrinks”.
          A bit redundant there, Sleepee. Maybe you need a longer nap. Demand does not drive an economy — Production does. Everybody demands things. If demand drove economies, there would be no poor countries. First the goods must be produced before “demand” can be satisfied. And those goods are not produced as frequently when Government is siphoning off the money and consuming our wealth — Wealth and money which in Free Markets would largely go to more productive capital investments, thus producing more goods and services and lowering prices so everybody has a chance at a decent life.

          Sleepee says — “Unions as they did in the past would help a lot”. Unionism is a zero-sum game. They can only benefit at other people’s expense. Every raise in pay that Unionists extort from their employers results in somebody else losing their job or paying higher prices for the goods and services. There is no Free Lunch.

          • smilee

            Your losing it davie, there is no production if there is no demand, no one is going to produce if no one is going to buy. You missed the whole point of my post and your spin of it to fit you BS but it does not fit. You simply have no understanding of the how the economy works and neither do the tea party members of congress, that is why the have to be stopped before they destroy our economy as they know not what they do.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Tell that to the African tent-dwellers, Sleepee. You don’t think they demand the comforts that we have?
            You can’t demand something that isn’t there.
            You need to read this article, Sleepee, and get some education:
            http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

          • smilee

            The US Economy is what it is about you kind of went astray here. Your obliviously lost. You need to see the movie “Inequality for All” it should help you with your ignorance problem.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The usual tripe to be expected from Sleepee.

          • smilee

            The truth from me and you are unable to rebutt that so you resort to this silliness!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Witness the above.

          • Vis Fac

            We have and continue to be amused.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Facts (or truth) to YOU (a liberal) are those that are pulled out of thin air and or provided by lame stream media to swathe YOUR ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates YOU make things up as YOU go so YOU can blame others for YOUR failures or force YOUR agenda.

            So whenever YOU have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate YOUR positions YOU simply fall back on the FBAB (Federal Board for Assigning Blame)
            and/or character assassination through the use of pejorative labeling, and/or citing lame stream media’s partial/fabricated truths and prevarications; then all YOUR liberal inadequacies are soon considered ancient history becoming non issues and then quickly forgotten.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Another post from FC that brightly illuminates his total lack of character. He is unable to communicate the subject and only knows how to slander people with made up BS

          • Vis Fac

            SMELLY There is no inequity here in America we all have the same chance at success.

            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
            dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

            The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
            too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

            You obviously haven’t taken any chances nor applied yourself this is why you are a miserable and pathetic FAILURE!!! You are mad at your impotence because of that lash out at and demean others.

            SMELLY’S ambition is non existent he wants to live on the dole and since this hasn’t panned out too well SMELLY is drowning in his own sorrow and as misery loves company — well we know why SMELLY is SMELLY. FOS

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Your totally out of touch with reality, people. like you are the ones who are contributing to our countries destruction because you are only interested in your own greed and care nothing about the good of the country as a whole. Your post sure brings out your stupidity, how can you have and pride in who you are when you act like a total jerk.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            An Individuals first responsibility is to himself and then to take care of the family that he creates. The responsibility is not to any Collective because from your comment you are advocating force.

          • smilee

            LOL this country was created with force and saved with force and it was done collectively and gov is a collective enterprise and because of your selfishness and greed you do not want to cooperate and wish to destroy our government. No man can succeed without help received from other people, you are dumb enough to think otherwise, their help you ignore and take for granted, do you use electricity you did not generate? Grow your own food, drive a car you did not build yourself and on and on, admit it you used a lot of what others built to build your wealth, since Reagan that has got many times more difficult to do and in many cases not possible. because of people who think like you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s rich, Sleepee. We’re selfish for stopping your hand from entering our pockets, but you’re generous for taking our money. Only Liberal Progressives have such amazing powers of rationalization.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m sure that the readers can see your “compassion”, Sleepee. NOT.

          • ron

            what came first..the chicken, the egg, or smilfy

          • smilee

            What do you think? Doe not apply to my post so it is irrelevant, so typical from those you have nothing to rebutt this with.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Sleepee, for posting your nonsense so those readers who are straddling the fence can see what Liberal Progressives are really like.

          • smilee

            LOL!! You really have run out of words!

          • Vis Fac

            Only imbeciles continue the use of text language in written forums LOL indeed. Speaking of laughing I’ll bet your parents had to laugh it off when you came into the world.

            One said oh what a treasure while the other said yeah let’s bury it. Yeah SMELLY you certainly are a prime example of dog goat inbreeding.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            You are rude, crude and lack any character showing the world what a big jerk you are and also why no one one should take the likes of you seriously.

          • Vis Fac

            SMELLY resides in his own little world the cesspool oblivious to cause and effect . SMELLY refuses to understand what is needed to survive and grow so he relies on others to do his thinking, feed and nurture him while being a direct cause of what he criticizes.

            So typical of the brainwashed of liberal one dimensional idiot-ology.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      SMELLY you were merely a stain on your parent’s sheets when Reagan turned liberal crony-ism around to allow for real economic reform.

      You were not around to see the economy jump and people being able to start a business. If you were ( which I doubt) your antagonism towards Reagan came from your inability to perform (impotence) and recognize opportunity and or failure to exert the necessary energy to succeed.

      More likely toy didn’t pay attention in school and doped yourself into the drug induced stupor and are continuing this same practice today.

      SMELLY you are a LOSER so as I OWN you I will do what I do with all the SMELLY waste FLUSH you where you belong.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • smilee

        His trickle down theory was bogus as the wealth ran up hill not down like he said it would and was the start of destruction of the middle class which for all practical purposes is now deads. He also planted the seeds of of government destruction, , rather than fixing things he worked at destroying things. Government was not the problem Reagan was. He inspired the people to hate their government destroying the concept Of We the People, for the People and by the People. He took his party away from the principals of the parties founders,. In time history will look very unkind on him. I was I was 40 when he became president. I even voted for him and I now know that was a real big mistake, I have never tried drugs but I wonder about you. You really should see the movie “Inequality for all” It should you set you strait as you are very mixed up, crude and the real loser here.

        • Vis Fac

          SMELLY when was the last time a poor man gave you a job? Reagan’s trickle down economics were just that I was able to build a business and employ nearly 100 people, so what have you done besides sit on your duff and complain? In fact what could you offer society except for your taking up of space a more deserving person should have?

          Now crawl back under your rock MORON.

          As I OWN you I will now FLUSH you!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Then why the big wealth spread since his trickle down, . He created a lot of poor people in this country because of it. He gave thieves like you a chance to make money the the expense of the country and your employees. How much more per year did you make over your lowest paid employee, tell us that if you dare

          • Vis Fac

            SMELLY you haven’t the faculties to comprehend what it takes to provide for people like you. You think there is no capital outlay to provide the facilities materials and labor to provide you with what you want.. Just because you have no monetary investment doesn’t mean there is none. A typical business operates on less than 5% profit margin.

            Reagan didn’t create any poor people the people who remain poor did so because they lacked the drive and ambition to succeed on their own. They like you wanted things handed to them.

            Even though it was my investment not only of time energy and money you call me a thief. As you think I am the thief it is you liberals who are the thieves stealing what I have earned via taxes. You don’t ever work for what you steal.

            It’s the ungrateful lazy A$$ clowns like you who refuse to earn your own keep that complain the loudest.

            As It was my investment and my time and my risk to loose everything the employee compensation is a non factor. Why would you expect the lions share of anything if you didn’t have the lions share of the investment and the lions share of the risk.

            My employees were well compensated and if they weren’t happy with their salary and benefits package they were free to look elsewhere.

            SMELLY you are a loser and an ingrate you have no esteem for yourself let alone for anyone willing to have you in their organization.

            If I were to suggest a character either fictional or real it would be Eeyore of Whinny the Pooh. Your attitude is keeping you from seeing the big picture and making something of that pathetic and miserable life of yours.

            You will never amount to anything unless you change your bad attitude.

            For this reason you are owned by everyone.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Your pathetic, everyone who does it different than you is a deadbeat in your opinion. You see you self as superior to everyone but all you are is an arrogant egoistical selfish jerk, Reagan took away opportunity away thus creating a lot of poor people, before him not near as many poor people existed,why do you think that is? You think that poor are deadbeats but most have much more character than you do.

          • Vis Fac

            Well SMELLY I am definitely superior to you and thusly you argue wrong when you think I am superior to everyone. I am superior to anyone who sits on their duff and complains about everything

            Carter the second most incompetent president took away jobs and hope Reagan merely took away your meal ticket and this is why you are irritated. People remain poor because they want to be poor otherwise they would do something, anything to change their status.

            As I said to you earlier opportunity is disguised as work and appears in overalls. I cannot help it if you set your goals so low and attain them.

            I didn’t have any more opportunity than anyone else I merely chose to act on it.
            It’s high time you stopped blaming others for your failure and took some personal responsibility for your pathetic life. No one put you where you are you did so by your own actions (or inactions)./

            If you like me I am in your heart If you hate me I got to you and am on your mind and own you.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            Your superior to no one and act like you are inferior to a dog. You are totally out of touch with reality.. I do not hate you I feel sorry for you as do not get it and you live in a bubble. I am also am not a failure as a human being .t’m not sure about you through as long as you keep looking down your nose at most folks with total disdain for them.

          • Vis Fac

            Well SMELLY leave it to a frustrated and outclassed liberal to come up with this pathetic response. You hate me all right You hate me because I am more sophisticated educated and well off. than you. You were the first to snipe at me and because I always get the better of you you are irate – irate to the point of foaming at the mouth.

            Continue to think as you do say what you continue to say for we all need a good laugh. I hear you applied to be ODUMBO’S court jester. have you heard anything regarding when you start?

            I OWN you

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why the big Wealth Spread, Sleepee? Because ignorant Liberal Progressive Followers, like yourself, have bought into the Big Government paradigm which quietly stacks the deck in favor of the few in Power and their Crony Capitalists.
            With Free Markets anybody with ambition and education could be successful. But since so many of you have drunk the kool-aid, Licensing Laws and other hurdles have been set up by Big Government which make it much harder to start your own business and be what you want to be.
            Also, of course, it takes lots of money to run the Leviathan Beast. Where does that money come from? Everybody is where. It may appeal to the Green-eyed Liberal Progressives to chant “TAX the RICH”. But those rich are the ones who invest in capital goods which give you cheaper products and jobs. The more wealth that is consumed by Government, the less there is for everybody else.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      The propaganda kid strikes again. Spreading his lies and filth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

  • Bill

    Good article, Brandon
    It is a real eye opener for people to come out of their comfort zones and be self sufficient.

  • speedle24

    Mr. Smith, your points are well taken. and unfortunately your facts are pretty much spot on. But I have to stop short on agreeing with your solution. growing one’s own garden and learning to manage livestock is more of a post apocolyptic course of action than one designed to fight the tyranny of the current government. I dare say the majority of people concerned abouth these government gangsters have no logistical ability to grow their own food. Actually it is more of a “give up” tactic, and I am not ready to give up. I would rather take up arms than be driven back 300 years in societal history.

    • Vis Fac

      Why do you believe growing a garden and livestock management to be POST apocalyptic?. FYI I have been off grid and self reliant for more than a decade and I can assure you that I couldn’t have achieved this post apocalyptic.

      It takes time and energy to acquire what is necessary to survive. One doesn’t just acquire power, heat, and water sources overnight. You don’t plant livestock seeds and presto have instant meat on the table. Gardens need time and energy to cultivate and mature to edible status and canning for the winter takes not only time but knowledge to master.

      Even if the S**T doesn’t hit the fan until later you have a set up that you can 1) eat healthier and 2) fresher and 3) cheaper than going to the grocery.

      You need to prepare for the apocalypse not react afterwards. If one doesn’t they will be one of those millions who failed to prepare and die along with them.

      Simple assessment aka common sense of ones situation should dictate what is necessary to survive. Those who don’t act well I feel sorry for you.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • speedle24

        Force, I am not talking about what you or even I may do to prepare for the worst case scenario. The writer’s “solution” is not a valid strategy for 300 million Americans (or let’s say 150 million Americans who detest what is happening to the country). The survivalist tactics are fine if a person has the resources and time to commit to doing it. The great majority of people don’t, so it is not really a strategy for saving the country. Rather it is a strategy for surviving after the sh-t has hit the fan.
        I’m not giving up on better solutions. I am not criticizing survivalists in any way, just sayin’ it isn’t for everyone.

        • Brandon Smith

          Wrong again. If Americans remove their dependency from the corrupt system, then the system has less weapons to use against us. Including economic control, control through public schools, control of interest rates and debt, control of food supply, control of medicine, etc. Why sit around waiting for the establishment to collapse the system at their leisure when we can separate from it today?

          I don’t think you have though the issue through far enough yet. Clearly, the strategy is beyond you.

          • speedle24

            That’s the point Brandon, we can’t separate from it today in appreciable numbers. That is a pipe dream. I have thought through it, so perhaps you are right that it is beyond me. But I can personally guarantee that I have the wherewithall right now to do exactly what you suggest, but because that would be leaving the nuts in charge with all the power I choose to reject that as a defeatist strategy.

        • Vis Fac

          Who says I am preparing for a post apocalyptic event? I live on 88+ hectares which allows me to provide my family with wholesome untainted pure organic food. I am not only prepared for any emergency or “worst case scenario” I am staying healthy by not ingesting engineered food or preprepared food containing a myriad of chemical flavor enhancers or preservatives which are detrimental to ones health.
          I have acquaintances who do back yard gardening using aquaponics. Anyone can do it even those who have little space if they really wanted to.

          You say “The survivalist tactics are fine if a person has the resources and time to commit to doing it.” Well this is where personal responsibility comes into play. For decades we have been told that the police and government is here to protect us and we became apathetic believing this BS. But if you truly want to survive you need to learn survival skills those who don’t will perish. I can think of several non apocalyptic events such as being lost or having an accident where if people had basic survival skills they would not have died.
          What it boils down to is taking personal responsibility developing a little common sense and getting off ones duff your life, your families lives depend on it!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • speedle24

            Whatever Force. I don’t want to argue about it but when you or one of your family members has an attack of appendicitis you will be in the hospital depending upon health specialists to keep you alive just like everyone else. Let’s not kid ourselves, we are way past being completely independent because most of us want to live as long as possible, and we are not going back to the nineteenth century. Taking proper measures personally is great, but let’s not assume we are going to be living like Mad Max in our lifetimes.

          • Vis Fac

            You don’t want to argue because you have no argument. The fact is what we eat has an effect on our health. When we eat healthy we produce natural antigens that ward off disease and infection. Appendicitis is an infection that can be avoided by a balanced diet and exercise. God made our bodies to be self sufficient providing we eat what he has instructed to eat. I have yet to suffer a cold in 15 years and my family has had perfect health.

            Barring catastrophic injury I am well prepared to handle most medical needs and if necessary we have a physician in the family that can offer treatment options.

            It’s a matter of preparedness If you choose not to that;s your business. But the Mad Max scenario how remote you believe it to be must be factored in. I see a time soon when panic will rule food scarce and people will die. I wish this weren’t the case but see no other outcome.

            I firmly believe it is far better to be prepared and not need to be than need to be prepared and not be!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • Brandon Smith

      Then why was that tactic so successful for the Founding Fathers? As I state in the article, self sufficiency alone is not enough, but without it, taking up arms is a ridiculous notion. If you cannot FEED YOURSELF, how do you expect to fight?

      • speedle24

        Respectfully, the founding fathers had quite a bit more hard bark on their hides than do we 21st century softies. In fact, the FF had little option to being self sufficient (because if they didn’t take care of themselves no one else would).
        As I said, I have no problem with the idea of preparing for the worst (I have my own plans in that regard). But I am not sure how that strategy relates to the overall success of some kind of organized $&*&@#*& (NSA is watching you know). Food can be scrounged. You don’t have to depend on the government to get it. I am simply saying that it is not reasonable to expect millions of people to “go back to the land” and be entirely self-sufficient.

        • Patriot_Dave

          Why NOT?

          • speedle24

            Because 98% of the people would refuse to do so unless they had to. They are not going to voluntarily revert to a lifestyle that past generations worked so hard to leave behind.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Food can be scrounged?
          From whom?

  • Patriot_Dave

    My Grandparents lived in a society that fostered and respected HARD WORK, Personal Responsibility and SAVING for their future…. We now live in a world where our hard work only returns a fraction of it’s true or expected value in the Money we earn, where Personal Responsibility is often used against US and where there is no such thing as Saving for the Future (because we don’t have one*)…. Turning this around is OUR greatest Challenge!!! Our ‘Fiat’ has a fraction of the value that it once had and for multiple reasons (not just the printing frenzy of the Fed)!! The Ultra wealthy sitting on huge sums of money does not make our country great, it only serves to enhance the boasting power of the one sitting on it while it aids in the devaluation of currency for the rest of us… We must address the fallacies of Corporatism, State sponsored Fascism and unbridled Nationalism (aka Statism)….. These things are tearing the US apart and WE are the only ones WHO can stop the advance…..

    IMO the Oath Keepers have a role to play as well as Political Parties (other than the mainstream or those acceptable to the media……) that choose to uphold the ideals of the Constitution and refuse to continue the failed policies of the past whether these were put in place by Liberals or Conservatives….. It is time to wake up to the realities of what has been done in the name of ‘Democracy’ and to set things straight so we Live in our Republic as we believe we have the RIGHTS to do so!!!

    * just ask the extreme right wing religionists where they think we are and why….

    • KG

      I agree. The Religious Right/Republican/Libertarian/Nazis have essentially ‘given up’ on America. It seems that the more money you have, the more ‘revolutionary’ you can be. I hear them say ‘Let them eat cake!”

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        To the contrary, Cagey. It is the Socialist Progressives, like yourself, who are robbing the citizens blind and effectively saying “Let them eat cake”.
        Good People don’t need to FORCE their way on other people, like you Socialist Progressives do.

        • Chester

          TheOriginalDaveH, funny thing is, it is the Socialist Progressives, as you term them, who guarantee there will be a school for you to go to, and a place for you to lay your head when all the conservatives have already said you don’t deserve the first chance, let alone a second.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Chester, what the Socialist Progressives guarantee is that your children will be Propagandized to think that the monopoly Central State is indispensable to their lives.
            Public Education:
            http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

            The above is a good example of that Propagandization. People 300 years ago knew the dangers of Public Schools, and now most don’t have a clue — Thanks to the Indoctrination of Public Schools.

          • Chester

            If three hundred years ago, the PEOPLE were so against Public Schools, why, may I ask, was Mr. Franklin, one of the founding fathers, so in favor of them? Seems free education was one of their BIG pushes, even if not included in the constitution or bill of rights.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ben Franklin was an advocate of a Powerful Central Government. He was an opportunist who switched to whichever side he thought benefited him the most.
            Read this 4-volume book, Chester, and get thee some education:
            http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/conceived2.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/conceived3.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/conceived4.pdf

          • KG

            “Swiftboating” Ben Franklin? Does your depravity have any end?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey, you don’t fool anybody here. If it served you to dis Franklin, you would dis Franklin. You just say whatever it is that serves your present goal. You are unfettered by a conscience.

          • TML

            You should have pointed more to Thomas Jefferson, who wrote prolifically on free education, to make your point. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch18s16.html

            Education isn’t in the Constitution and so it is not a power delegated to the Federal Government, but rather, reserved for the States.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Even Jefferson wasn’t infallible.

          • TML

            Neither is Mises, friend ;)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I really don’t understand the burr you have up your fanny about Mises Institute, TML. You’re behaving like the typical Liberal Progressive with your argumentum ad hominem towards Mises Institute.
            They are learned men and women who any intelligent person would listen to. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything they say, but it does mean that dismissing them without listening and thinking is just plain ignorant.

          • TML

            I have and do read what they say, but as you said, I just don’t agree with everything, but I do agree with some things, particularly monetary policy.

            Other than that, I only mentioned it here because of your ad hominem against Jefferson on this issue – also a very learned and intelligent individual on these matters; one responsible for establishing the University of Virginia.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That wasn’t an ad hominem against Jefferson. It was a fact.
            And although I would rather that people didn’t ride on other people’s backs even in the sense of education, I can live with Government-assisted education, but outside of supplying the money (vouchers), Government should butt out. I don’t think anybody, who isn’t interested, should be forced to learn. They don’t learn anyway if they don’t want to. When the children are forced to learn it just leaves a negative seed in their brain, making them uninterested in learning. Without that Force, after serving time as a janitor or some other menial labor, many would decide of their own volition that it would be better to do some learning to advance themselves.
            After my first 6 years in college, I was so tired of pushing myself that I couldn’t even bear to read comic books for a year or two. As time wore on I got over that and started reading and learning again.
            My son was burnt out on learning early in life because his mother would slap him if he wasn’t paying attention to her spelling lessons. It took more than a decade before he naturally came to enjoy reading and learning again.

          • Chester

            But, and here is the kicker, the STATES have turned to the Federal Government to aid them in providing said education, thus giving Uncle a bit of say in what should be done, I will say they DO need a reasonably standardized program across all fifty states, so when you move, say from Kansas to Missouri, you don’t have to retake courses that you had once completed, or take courses in your senior year that would have been done in your freshman year had you been in Missouri. It isn’t as bad now as it used to be, but at one time, crossing that border would either jump you ahead a couple of years, or set you back that much.

          • TML

            The fact remains; Federal government has no constitutional authority to centralize education into a one-size-fits-all impossibility. I disagree with the need for a standardized program across all 50 states, based on such a weak reason of not having to retake courses. I’m sure the States are capable of ensuring transfer of credits from recognized education facilities without the help of central government.

          • Chester

            Sir, I take it you have never tried to transfer COLLEGE credits? If those are many times impossible to transfer between schools in the same state, why would it be one bit easier to transfer elementary and secondary school credits across state lines. My kick wasn’t with the transferring of credits for courses taken, but the simple fact that the two states had such wildly varying requirements for courses to be taken, and subject areas to be covered in which grades. One state required multiplication to be mastered by the end of third grade, while the other required it to be taught between fourth and fifth grades. Reading, writing, and spelling skill requirements varied just as widely, and not always in the same direction as the math. Nowadays, it seems kids are being taught how to read, write, and count before they reach kindergarten.

          • TML

            Chester says, “My kick wasn’t with the transferring of credits for courses taken, but the simple fact that the two states had such wildly varying requirements for courses to be taken, and subject areas to be covered in which grades. One state required multiplication to be mastered by the end of third grade, while the other required it to be taught between fourth and fifth grades.”

            We would need to change the constitution for the central government to be able to legally get involved in such things (even though I believe they are already over-stepping that power with the establishment of the Department of Education), but even still I disagree that what you describe is necessarily a bad thing. It allows each state to set the standards for education rather than bureaucrats that are, for most people, thousands of miles away. And certainly public schools do not need to be financed by central government.

            The idiocy and lowered standards of ‘Common Core’ (currently being pushed) are a great example of why the one-size-fits-all philosophy through nationalized education fails.
            As Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator for Common Core, stated, “Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,”

          • Chester

            Friends, perhaps you need to check Personal Liberty’s settings. I could not reach the comments section there again this evening after having carried on a back and forth with several different people this afternoon. Of course, Mr, Livingston’s newsletter has had problems with comments for the last couple of days now, so may be somewhat more than just his newsletter that are affected.
            Chester Payne

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So we should sink to the lowest common denominator in the vain hopes that nobody be left behind?

          • Vis Fac

            The biggest shock I had regarding the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM is when my children attended college. The courses I had in my freshman and sophomore years were now taught in college.

            As my children were home schooled they already knew the curriculum but had to take and pass the course anyway (money for the non-profit organization) I suggested challenging these course so they could enter their majors and possibly graduate early. They still had to pay for the units. (again non profit organization profits)

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah sure, let’s cookie-cut the children’s education and then wonder later why we have a shortage of certain skills.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “Give me the child until he is seven and I will show you the man” is normally attributed to the Jesuits

            This AXIOM was rephrased by Vladimir Lenin – the father of the Russian Bolshevik Revolution:

            “Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a BOLSHEVIK FOREVER”

            and Lenin’s successor Soviet Dictator Joseph Stalin adapted and accomplished the goal.

            William H. Seawell – an American Professor of Education at the University of Virginia (1981) resonates that plan/model:

            “Public schools promote civic rather than individual pursuits. . . . We must focus on creating citizens for the good of society. . . . Each child belongs to the state.”

            An American psychologist, behaviorist and ‘SOCIAL PHILOSOPHER’ B. F. Skinner’s views, which he promoted:

            We must delegate CONTROL of the population AS A WHOLE to specialists——to police, priests, teachers, therapies, and so on, with their specialized reinforces and their codified contingencies.” – B. F. Skinner

            “It is a mistake to suppose that the whole issue is how to free man. The issue is to IMPROVE THE WAY IN WHICH HE IS CONTROLLED – B.F.Skinner

            “We SHALL SODOMIZE YOUR SONS…We shall seduce them in your schools…Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image…All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men…All males who insist on remaining STUPIDLY HETEROSEXUAL WILL BE TRIED IN HOMOSEXUAL COURTS…” [SOURCE: Gay Manifesto: Gay Political Leader, Entered into the US Congressional Record, 15 February 1987]

            “… Bible-BELIEVING PEOPLE do NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INDOCTRINATE THEIR CHILDREN in their religious beliefs” – Paul Hoagland, U.S. Representative (D – Nebraska)

            But the Gov’t and godless Political Party “have the right” to indoctrinate OUR children in the Marxism and DEPRAVITY.

          • Vis Fac

            Chester These guaranteed “schools” are merely liberal one dimensional idiotological indoctrination camps instead of educating instill propaganda which results in the production of the functionally illiterate for which you are a prime example!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Chester These guaranteed “schools” are merely liberal one dimensional idiotological indoctrination camps instead of educating instill propaganda which results in the production of the functionally illiterate for which you are a prime example!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Chester,

            You write: ” it is the Socialist Progressives, as you term them, who guarantee there will be a school for you to go to, and a place for you to lay your head when all the conservatives have already said you don’t deserve the first chance, let alone a second.” Your premise is fallacious as it assumes there would be no chance for education and no houses to live in were it not for government.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

      • ron

        you obviously collect some type of welfare or entitlements that makes you think you are right… or, that cake has been shoved up your azz so far by your friends along with your head that you can eat it too!!

        • Vis Fac

          KGB claims to live off a HUGE UNION retirement check. About as HUGE as some of his ( in his own mind) physical attributes! I leave the identification of said attributes up to the rest of you.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          If they do not agree with you then of course they must be on welfare. Your rude, crude and acting like an absolute jerk.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Cagey, you and your Dems/Progs/Leftists created this America and it appears that you are complaining that you have no idea how to fix it. Still wanting other people to clean up the messes you make.

    • Vis Fac

      We do not live in an environment that embraces hard work and sacrifice.Today’s world embraces lethargy indolence sloth and socialism. Liberal one dimensional indoctrination and political correctness have killed any responsibility

      Everyone wants a high paying career instead of a job that allows one to learn as they earn. I’ll wager a tidy sum your grand parents earned what they have if they were immigrants faced mounds of red tape to even gain entry to the US. (experience speaking here)

      The failed policies of the oath takers were a direct result of American apathy giving these “oath takers” tacit approval that their actions are acceptable. I was raised believing such actions wee of the morally weak and irresponsible.

      I do not belong to or support any particular political party. I am a member of the common sense party and my only agendas are personal responsibility common sense and the return to Constitutional Law. So all you liberals out there place a degrading label on me and show us how afraid and stupid you are.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Patriot_Dave

        Force I do not know what you do or did for a living post military but I do work hard, I am a producer…I take no Government handouts and I have been very considerate and not tried label you, however I have seen that others on here have…. I get labeled for trying to get people to enter into open honest dialog… (for whatever reasons some find that Liberal…is so …so be it… they don’t know me and they have no clue) If we truly had a party of common sense I’d be there right beside you!!!!… I think the best we can do is inspire others to take up that calling….

        • Vis Fac

          The real measure of a person is what they can contribute to society as opposed to what they do for themselves. I believe in working smarter not harder.

          As a professional engineer I was able to provide a safe working environment for nearly 100 employees. I was able to provide benefits and quarterly bonuses because I believe in treating people with respect and rewarding those who go the extra mile.

          Don’t get me wrong my firm was profit oriented and I hired employees who were responsible and took their jobs seriously They were compensated accordingly.

          Taxes and over regulation do nothing to support economical growth. The liberal who always wants their hand in the business owners pocket does nothing but destroy the economy.

          As a result we are no longer able to provide benefits packages and stay solvent. We are no longer able to provide bonuses and remain solvent. Most often we must downsize to stay solvent because orders dry up because other companies try to stay solvent by outsourcing offshore. The problem snowballs and soon there are no DOMESTIC jobs because LIBERALS want to tax and regulate. This is not common sense to cut your nose off bite the hand that feeds you then support a FOREIGN economy because you want a cheaper gadget from China, India or Bangladesh.

          Common sense is to get back to what was working not some “progressive’s” idea of what progress means. Progress is going forward we have done nothing of the sort for decades.

          Liberalism is socialism, indolence, irresponsibility, entitlement, and control. if that is your credo you are part of the problem not the solution.

          I have yet to find a liberal who didn’t sidestep direct questions of the above issues and provide a lucid answer. I don’t expect I ever will for there is no defending liberalism. Patriotism should at the forefront of every American’s mind. Our constitutional laws worked for more than 200 years. Liberalism destroyed what was achieved during those 200+ years in a few decades.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Patriot_Dave

            Well said!!!

          • Vis Fac

            Danke!
            I speak from my heart and relate from my experience.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            “The real measure of a person is what they can contribute to society as opposed to what they do for themselves. I believe in working smarter not harder.”

            WOW your subscribing to what you clearly are not, you only care about yourself consonantly exhibiting greed, selfishness, disdain for others who do not live life as you do. Your crude, your rude, a real first class jerk.

          • WTS/JAY

            consonantly? Are you creating your own language, smelting?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. Just like the liar and traitor you are. Here are some articles about the bin Ladens.
            http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/10/15/shutdown-casualty-michelle-obama-disappears/
            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/holding-nation-hostage-now-dems-demand-end-sequestration-cuts/#iQX38MhflWCTfQYp.99
            http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/sarah-palin-president-barack-obama-flirts-with-impeachment-98288.html#ixzz2hnjumXnK
            How can you not say thanks for your service, when you did not have the nads to go yourself? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “It is impossible to rightly rule the world without God and the Bible.”
            George Washington
            Founding father
            “Father of our country”
            Commander of the Continental Armies
            1st President of the U.S.
            Devout Christian

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Repeating yourself still gives you no credibility. Put up or shut up. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden continuing to commit treasonous acts.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/treason-obama-continues-support-muslim-brotherhood-thumbs-nose-vets/
            Hey, he is a traitor just like you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “I have not yet begun to fight.”
            John Paul Jones

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth! !

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            FR: “I believe in working smarter not harder.”

            But the “smartness” of the work depends how hard individual worked on his/her EDUCATION.

            Without hard work on the one’s education there cannot be “working smarter”.

            “The only thing more expensive than EDUCATION is IGNORANCE.” – Benjamin Franklin

            “If a man neglects EDUCATION, he walks lame to the end of his life” – Plato (His Dialogue Timaeus)

          • Vis Fac

            There again there is a “Smart” way to learn. The problem is creating and adhering to a study program. When one wishes to party then cram for an exam I don’t believe that is “smart”

            I have three engineering degrees and an MBA I didn’t necessarily work hard to obtain them. It was all in my attitude towards a goal I wished to achieve. I do have to confess that I had to work hard to secure affordable financing for my business and that success did not come without extreme sacrifice.The sacrifice was hard the labor of love to secure success was easier to accept.

            You work hard I’ll work smart!! And because I did was able to retire comfortably at 55

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • IBCAMN

    this generation has no values of hard work.they want,want,want.they don’t want to do,they just want!they don’t want to work,and if they do work,it’s as little as possible for the most reward!the progressives have done this to them over time,that’s why this gov’t has given them money and food for little or nothing!(but in turn you have to vote for them)read history and you will see this exact same gov’t!..then read on and see what happened to that gov’t!that is where were headed to!…..enjoy!

    • Vis Fac

      Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

      The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

      In this day of instant gratification too many people want everything NOW they don’t want a job to learn skills because this takes TIME. Instead in lieu of a job they want a career not just any career a high paying career. When this doesn’t happen they give up to sponge off others the perfect example of liberal one dimensional idiot-ology.

      As there are millions of these indolent freeloaders dependent on government (which is what the banksters want) they obediently follow the orders of their handlers.

      I have always supported being self reliant and trading that worthless paper into tangible assets. Keep as little as possible in the bank for when the SHTF what is in the bank BELONGS to the bank even your items in THEIR safety deposit boxes. This is a word of warning your family’s well being and survival hinges on your decision.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Chester

        How much do you pay the guy who mows your lawn? How about the guy who cooked your last meal? Bet you paid them just as little as you could get by with, then bellyached when they said something about needing more. That is why you don’t see more people willing to WORK for a living, The people who actually work get less respect than the idiot who sets in the head office and does nothing but sign papers all day, not even bothering to read them. How about the last time you had a plumber come out to fix your drain? Bet you griped the whole time he was there, then griped even louder when he handed you his bill. Funny thing is, HE is the true professional, not the man who looks at the stock market and says he thinks this stock will go up and that one will go down.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          People could work hard cataloging the rocks in the desert, Chester, but who would willingly pay them to do it? The amount of perceived work is meaningless if there is no demand for that labor.
          In voluntary markets the people who supply the most value to the people who desire what they are selling (labor, goods, etc.) are the people who will be paid the highest salaries. As it should be. In Involuntary Markets a panel of people, who have no direct stake in the game, decide what people are worth. The result is misallocation of labor and resources, which results in fewer desirable goods and services, and thus either higher prices or some sort of rationing to politically decide who gets what.

          • Chester

            So, the board of directors who decide the CEO is worth ten thousand times as much as the guy who actually makes the product they sell is running an INVOLUNTARY employment system? That is essentially what you are telling us, as most boards have little stake in the corporation they are in charge of. All many of them can see is this guy made us ten million dollars in profit last quarter, while missing the fact that he also closed two thirds of their production capacity and sold it off to raise profits.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The boards may have little stake in the corporation, but they are elected by the shareholders whose votes are weighted by the number of shares they own. Thus, they more fairly represent the shareholders than the Government represents the people — many of whom have little or no skin in the game, yet get the same vote as those who have large skin in the game.
            Above all, it is all voluntary. If you don’t think you’re getting paid what you’re worth, then pool your monies with like-minded people and start your own company, or look for work elsewhere.
            Granted, certain large corporations (Crony Capitalists) gain unfair advantage over their competitors virtue of their Crony Politicians. But that is another issue altogether.

          • Patriot_Dave

            And ODH says “Granted, certain large corporations (Crony Capitalists) gain unfair advantage over their competitors virtue of their Crony Politicians. But that is another issue altogether.” And THAT is an issue that needs more discussion!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Indeed. But if I talked about it any more than I do, I would get tarred and feathered.
            Here is a good article along those lines. Note that DiLorenzo calls them Political Entrepreneurs:
            http://mises.org/daily/2317

          • Patriot_Dave

            In a few cases Tarred and feathered might be the least of your worries…..

          • Vis Fac

            Chester the board of directors know the road to higher profits comes from the knowledge of how best to utilize the assets the corporation has at its disposal.

            The CEO is responsible for all aspects leading to maximum profit! In short a CEO must have working knowledge of all aspects of the corporation and be responsible for failure as well as success. I can tell you that being a CEO is very stressful. the life of the company as well as the lives of all employees rests in the hands of the CEO. Compensation should be commensurate with the responsibility

            Knowing how to apply a wrench to a bolt only encompasses one asset of production and profit. While there are many different aspects to manufacturing a product,g having that product manufactured to the highest quality at the most cost and labor efficient production methods is a challenge.

            Lets not forget the manner along with the ability to decide on most cost effective method of acquiring the necessary logistics and into the hands of the consumer marketing packaging and the coordination of all these aspects. I doubt the average worker thinks of what it takes to produce and market the product that keeps him employed. All he wants is a paycheck and to leave work at work while the CEO is ALWAYS at work.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            quote: In voluntary markets… This premise is prima facia false. Is the pangs of hunger in your stomach ‘voluntary’?

            quote: In Involuntary Markets a panel of people, who have no direct stake in the game…

            I’m assuming you are referring to Americas Modified and regulated Capitalistic system? So, the people who live and work in the same country as the people who live and work at regulating that activity do not have a direct stake in the game?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would answer that, Cagey, if it made any sense. But it doesn’t.

          • Chester

            Well, Dave, look at it like this. You live, work, and breath in the same country as most of the Consolidated Edison people, yet most likely, you have no financial stake in their business. But, even more likely, you DO have a personal stake in it, as ConEd supplies power to a large number of companies you do business with on more or less a daily basis It may not be a direct link, but you do have skin in ConEd’s game.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No more than I have a stake in your property because I am currently communicating with you, Chester.
            Your personal stake is satisfied when they deliver you the product that you pay for.

          • Chester

            Might tell that to the people who are trying to shut ConEd,and a number of other utilities, down because they don’t like how the power is being generated. They have NO financial stake in the wellbeing of those companies, and have little feeling for those who do, primarily the consumers of said power.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Circular reasoning, Chester. If you’re talking about pollution, that pollution is trespassing on other people’s bodies and property, so they do indeed have an issue. That issue should be resolved in court based on current laws. But otherwise it has nothing to do with your original comment. You are clutching for straws.

          • WTS/JAY

            Cagey must have been drinking his own bathwater again.

          • Vis Fac

            KGB You obviously don’t have an iota of knowledge of voluntary reflex. Breathing, hunger and perspiring are VOLUNTARY reflex actions. you don’t need to think of doing them.

            You do however keep volunteering your exhibition of stupidity and by assuming things demonstrate complete lack of knowledge for which you have no proof.
            I have volunteered to share my opinion of you with you and others as well.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          Chester there is no one who would or could for that matter cut my lawn. 88 plus hectares doesn’t need mowing only 2 or so around my house and outbuildings and I have natural lawn mowers and if needed the necessary equipment to do so. Besides no one can do what I need to meet my standards.

          As for cooking my meals: again no one can meet my standards so I fix my OWN meals I know what goes into them and don’t worry about chemical additives.

          If the work is slipshod (it rarely is) I have no one to “bellyache” about other than myself.

          Chester you haven’t the slightest idea as to the meaning of or what it takes to be a professional. mowing a lawn or cooking a meal is not the definition of a professional.

          As I am a LICENSED professional I know the criteria and the requirements of being a PROFESSIONAL

          Just because someone is paid to do a task does not make them a professional.

          Spare me your liberal logic for it is not logic merely a ineffective cop out for accepting reality.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Chester

            Sir, it appears you have little respect for anyone who is NOT a “certified professional” whatever. I have known too many “certified” people who knew less than nothing about the task they were certified to perform, and just as many, if not more, UNcertified individuals who could do anything required of them. Example, I am NOT a certified mechanic, yet for a number of years, I made a decent living cleaning up after guys who were supposed to know the job, with paper to prove it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So Chester, are you arguing against Licensing Laws?
            If so, congratulations for taking a small step towards Freedom.
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Occupational_licensing
            http://reason.org/news/show/occupational-licensing-laws-pr

          • Vis Fac

            I disrespect no one unless I am first the object of disrespect!! You asked specific questions and I provided specific answers to which you took offense. The old saying holds true “if you want a job done right you need to do it yourself”

            I am quite particular on how I want a job completed As a licensed PE I require the highest standards and if it is not right it is on me and no one else.

            Except when my clients provided their own plans I was responsible for all designs and manufacturing process. And as I have performed all operations necessary to produce these projects I am qualified to direct the entire manufacturing process of the project.

            You might believe you are a better mechanic but a trained professional can assess a higher value for services performed.

            A certification does not guarantee a job well done; what does is the attitude and the talent of the professional.

            In order to attain my professional status I needed to attend several years of college taking several “advanced” classes then after receiving my degrees had to pass a state board exam (much the same as a doctor, lawyer, or architect etc.) to be licensed.

            Uncertified people somehow escape responsibility for a botched job whereas the professional is held accountable.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Chester

            Might try telling that to the uncertified (shadetree) mechanic who spends several thousand dollars on equipment, knows how to use that equipment, yet gets stung by a customer who orders a special engine job, done to certain specifications, then destroys the engine using it in a manner never discussed nor intended. You DON’T treat the average new rebuild, NOT overhaul, like a well broken in racing engine and not expect problems, but many a customer will, then will refuse to pay and make it stick. It seems that, no matter who is actually at fault for an engine failure, it is always the last technician to have laid hands on it who owns the problem, even if it involved things they never touched. Real life in the world of a mechanic.

          • S.C.Murf

            Sounds like you worked on some guys motor and it blew up on him. Can you say warranty, small claims court?

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Vis Fac

            That “shade tree mechanic” would have best spent the thousands on an education or certification program. then the expensive equipment wouldn’t be an expensive paperweight.

            If you came to me and wanted me to provide you with a turnkey package yet wanted to pay for a “shade tree operation” I would tell you to look elsewhere

            I ask questions conduct my own research one of my daughters is an Orthopedic Surgeon. As I helped her with her studies I know a great deal of medical practices yet I would hardly qualify myself as a physician. Something you seem to do in regards to being qualified.

            As an electrical and mechanical engineer I doubt there is much you can teach me regarding an engine, Let alone what would cause a failure. Life is full of risks and if you don’t want to shoulder all that comes with the territory then I suggest you find another profession or retain a decent law firm.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So it just boils down that to make yourself superior you need to put people down. Add to this envy and malice and we get a blooming Dem/Prog/Leftist.

          • Chester

            Don’t have to put people down, as I could care less about what most of the world thinks of me, personally. But do so enjoy getting you righties all in an uproar over some of my personal opinions and thoughts. Oh, and if you don’t LIKE the putdown game, should try practicing a bit less of it.

          • Bob666

            Well, Well Nads,

            “it just boils down that to make yourself superior you need to put people down. Add to this envy and malice”

            How many people to you Put UP?

            Still waiting on you to explain what I have lied about….

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You talk but it appears that you have no concept of pricing. When a mower comes to do your lawn he gives the amount he is willing to do your work for. Your choice to hire or not to hire him. Same goes for plumbers, they have a service charge to come to a home to do work and then service charge plus whatever charges come up.
          You don’t appear to know how laborers work or charge.
          There is quite a bit of envy and malice toward people who work with their brains as opposed to using muscle and brains.

          • Chester

            Sir, could say much the same for you in regards to how laborers actually charge. The problem with the socalled standard charges is that they more often than not fly out the window when the service man walks in, unless he knows exactly what the problem is, and exactly what he will need to complete the repair. Same holds true for mechanical service estimates. You estimate based on a best guess as to what all has been broken inside an engine or transmission, then hope you haven’t missed the mark so far that you either wind up giving money back, NOT a bad deal, or having to charge more than the allowable ten per cent extra. You do have to contact the owner any time it becomes clear that the estimate was low, but by that time, you are already deep enough into the job that if the owner decides to drop it, you take a pretty good hit.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Sounds like a union man. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

    A modern 21st Century Secessionary War, like our first Revolutionary War that started as a Revolutionary War and later from Valley Forge onward changed and evolved into a legitimate treasonous and seditious Secessionary War from the mother country, Great Britain, should be adopted and acted upon in a more non-violent and peaceful way for each State to secede from the mother country, the Union of States and from the District of Columbia, the capital of the Union. The first Secessionary War officially, politically and publically began as each politically separate and politically sovereign individual 13 colonial States finally formally and yes treasonously declared their complete independence and freedom from the mother country Great Britain by each colonial sovereign State representative signing their names on the official treasonous and secessionist documents known as the Richard Henry Lee’s Resolution Of Independence(New York abstained) and our Declaration Of Independence from Great Britain. Both Richard Henry Lee’s treasonous and secessionist Resolution Of Independence from Great Britain and the equally treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence from Great Britain are the only treasonous secessionist documents, in the history of the colonial period in North America before the official existence of the United States, of a declared or officially and voluntarily and willfully agreed upon act of treason and sedition in the form of Secession from a mother country or nation that is recognized as a human right and a type of civil right by a people who want to secede from the mother country, Great Britain, and secede from a British despot monarch, King George III and secede from the British parliamentary government, to be able to be living in a free, sovereign and independent State society and future nation that is politically not part of Great Britain. Let California and New York remain in the United States and dependent on the District of Columbia and be liable to pay all foreign debts with interest. Other states can legally secede from the United States using both Richard Henry Lee’s Resolution Of Independence and the equally treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence that both have a historical and a legal and lawful precedence and supremacy of State secession above and over the Constitution and the Articles Of Confederation. The treasonous and secessionist Resolution Of Independence and the equally treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence by their own historical and officially legalized precedence by the original 13 independent and sovereign States, before the Constitution and the Articles Of Confederation ever existed, does legalize State secession both in 1776 and at any time after 1776. Although some of the Founding Fathers did petition to the British Parliament and King George III to correct a list of grievances, the Founding Fathers did not enter a British Court and petition the British Parliament and King George III to allow any or all of the 13 colonies to formally, officially and legally secede from Great Britain. The Founding Fathers simply committed an act of treason and sedition against their own mother country, Great Britain, by signing the treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence, knowing full well that if British government authorities or the British Army caught or captured any of them alive, they would be tried, convicted and hanged, as traitors against Great Britain and against the British Parliament and King George III, for committing the crimes of treason and sedition against their own mother country, Great Britain.

  • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

    A modern 21st Century Secessionary War, like our first Revolutionary War that started as a Revolutionary War and later from Valley Forge onward changed and evolved into a legitimate treasonous and seditious Secessionary War from the mother country, Great Britain, should be adopted and acted upon in a more non-violent and peaceful way for each State to secede from the mother country, the Union of States and from the District of Columbia, the capital of the Union. The first Secessionary War officially, politically and publically began as each politically separate and politically sovereign individual 13 colonial States finally formally and yes treasonously declared their complete independence and freedom from the mother country Great Britain by each colonial sovereign State representative signing their names on the official treasonous and secessionist documents known as the Richard Henry Lee’s Resolution Of Independence(New York abstained) and our Declaration Of Independence from Great Britain. Both Richard Henry Lee’s treasonous and secessionist Resolution Of Independence from Great Britain and the equally treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence from Great Britain are the only treasonous secessionist documents, in the history of the colonial period in North America before the official existence of the United States, of a declared or officially and voluntarily and willfully agreed upon act of treason and sedition in the form of Secession from a mother country or nation that is recognized as a human right and a type of civil right by a people who want to secede from the mother country, Great Britain, and secede from a British despot monarch, King George III and secede from the British parliamentary government, to be able to be living in a free, sovereign and independent State society and future nation that is politically not part of Great Britain. Let California and New York remain in the United States and dependent on the District of Columbia and be liable to pay all foreign debts with interest. Other states can legally secede from the United States using both Richard Henry Lee’s Resolution Of Independence and the equally treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence that both have a historical and a legal and lawful precedence and supremacy of State secession above and over the Constitution and the Articles Of Confederation. The treasonous and secessionist Resolution Of Independence and the equally treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence by their own historical and officially legalized precedence by the original 13 independent and sovereign States, before the Constitution and the Articles Of Confederation ever existed, does legalize State secession both in 1776 and at any time after 1776. Although some of the Founding Fathers did petition to the British Parliament and King George III to correct a list of grievances, the Founding Fathers did not enter a British Court and petition the British Parliament and King George III to allow any or all of the 13 colonies to formally, officially and legally secede from Great Britain. The Founding Fathers simply committed an act of treason and sedition against their own mother country, Great Britain, by signing the treasonous and secessionist Declaration Of Independence, knowing full well that if British government authorities or the British Army caught or captured any of them alive, they would be tried, convicted and hanged, as traitors against Great Britain and against the British Parliament and King George III, for committing the crimes of treason and sedition against their own mother country, Great Britain.

    • Charlie

      The Declaration of Independence was The American Grand Jury giving the King of England , “Notice” of a “Jurisdiction” change for “Cause” … Because England was in violation of The Mayflower Compact ,,, in violation of Basic Biblical Laws… Notice is the first step in Law ,,, especially if it’s in Writing and signed by ALL Grand Jury Men…
      IF? the Notice is not complied with ,,,then,,, it’s WAR!!! ………………..
      The Declaration of Independence is the Lawful process for any people to secede from any “”Government””… When The Confederates walked out of The Government ,,, they did NOT do the Proper paper work… Therefore the war between The States is still going on…

      • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

        Yes, I must agree with your description of the American colonial sovereign State secession from Great Britain(Secession from England if the Magna Carta is violated by the British Parliament and or King George III). Of course both the British Parliament and King George III would always consider any form of Secession from Great Britain as a criminal act of high treason and sedition regardless of what the Secessionists believed.

  • ron

    one thing you forget…back in the day, the majority believed in freedom and were willing to fight for it!! Today our gov’t has created what is called a grey society…majority of the people are minorities, welfare recipients, foreigners and entitlement enthusiasts… thus, middle class white is disappearing and we are being taken down systematically. When our backs are up against the wall is the time we will come out to fight and that is so close now….but the enemy is in place and controls everything. Try going back 100 years and be self sufficient?…not going to happen! The elite want the power and control over us and it will take our guns to fight back and overcome..no other way, unless of course, God returns soon to save believers and he will destroy the evil that exists and he will not plan to do that over years of being patient or self sufficient, but in fact, he will come down on evil and destroy it relentlessly and swiftly!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Entitlement Enthusiasts?
      Don’t dis the people who were Forced to pay into a system which is not even as moral as a Ponzi Scheme:
      http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

      • KG

        It’s kinda funny, everybody talks about being ‘forced’ to pay but are ready to receive it when they qualify. Why is that?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Are you serious, KGB?
          Why should somebody not expect to receive what they were Forced to pay for?

        • Charlie

          KG ,,, kinda goofy ,,, give us the answer to the coming battle ,,, shall We seek help from The Unionized Labor Contracts ? or ??? from The King’s Contract Book???…….
          King George the Third, had a problem reading The Mayflower Compact … Notice , even in the last century when The Nation of England departed from The King’s Law Book , they ALWAYS caused trouble for themselves and other people …

        • Sarah417

          I’m not complaining now nor did I when I payed for thirty yrs. I am now living a relatively good life in retirement. I wish you the same.

        • WTS/JAY

          Because they were forced to pay, dumbbell!

        • Charlie

          KG ,,, do you think forced Union Membership is funny ???
          Most “Contracts” have a pay in side and a payback side …
          Why does the IRS steal from both sides of the “Contract” and The Unions have NEVER fought the IRS???

      • Sarah417

        I wasn’t forced to pay, but pay I did and so did my employer for thirty years. This money was put into the SS Trust Fund where it was to be kept and no one could touch it until along came LBJ and decided to move the monies over to the General Fund thus all of the administrations raided it until nothing is left but IOUs. It was not orginally a Ponzi Scheme. It was a good idea until the Democrats raided the fund.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Sarah, if it is not voluntary, it is Force.
          I certainly would have opted out 40 years ago if I had a choice. I would have done much better with that money than they did.
          It is never a “good idea” to take people’s money away “for their own good”. That determination is not anybody else’s business, call them neighbors or call them Government.

          • Sarah417

            You say: I would have done much better with that money than they did.

            Isn’t this exactly one of the things that the Republicans want to change about SS? Letting you keep your money and investing it as you see fit? Raising the SS age is another good idea that the Republicans have introduced and using Means Testing for those retirees. All good ideas from the conservative Republicans. We win, you lose.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, not exactly, Sarah. The Republican models that I’ve seen still involve Government meddling in our choices. I want Government people to keep their hands off my property. It is not theirs to control.

          • Sarah417

            And, let me get this straight, you think that the Obama administration is not meddling in your personal life? Hello does Obamacare, IRS in charge of Obamacare, NSA ring a bell with you? Get your head out of the hole and do a little bit of thinking.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s a pretty amazing tirade, Sarah. I didn’t say anything about Obama.

    • Charlie

      The enemy may be in place ,,, but ,,, King Jesus Christ is standing by with Power,,, FYI, I just Prayed (talked ) to Him this morning …. IF? you are waiting on THE Return??? STOP!!! ,,, because King Jesus Christ is waiting on You to obey His Orders…. What does Matthew 6;9–13 say ???
      “thy Kingdom come, thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven” ,,, where is Heaven ???……………………………

  • Carlucci

    This is also how Ghandi drove the British out of India; he urged his fellow citizens not to patronize British stores, restaurants, banks, or anything having to do with anything British.

    Non participation and nullification should be music to a true liberty lover’s ears.

    • snaketrapper

      In his idea of a Private Law Society Hans Hoppe shows how to make America pol-free altogether, taking Ghandi’s approach to the next level.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      That is not why the British left India, they could not longer maintain their colonies. Ghandi is also the last THUG to be emulated. The Trash kept his hands and his image clean but his followers killed and destroyed for him.

      • Bob666

        No Nads,

        “That is not why the British left India”

        The British left Indian because the Indian’s wanted them out.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! I do believe that both you and Nadzieja are both right. Here is an article showing how Obama bin Laden has hurt the Nergos and how they are resisting.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/travis-smiley-black-people-will-lost-ground-every-single-economic-indicator-obama/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Respect your country always. Respect your government, when they earn it.”
      Samuel Clemons
      American author

      • smilee

        The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Put up or shut up. Here is an article explaining about some of the death panels in Obama bin Laden Care. It seems it is forcing hospitals to cut jobs. This will not fare well as more patients will die.
          http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/15/death-panels-in-action-hospitals-suffer-massive-layoffs-thanks-to-obamacare/
          Looks like Sarah Palin was right, eh moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
          “A person who has the answer and doesn’t know it is just as lost as he who never knew.”
          Samurai
          *Boy are you and Obama bin Laden that lost.

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth! Never was any death panels, is none now, another boldfaced lie!!

  • Mike Lashewitz

    I already do not participate.

  • laura merrone

    We have tried all our lives to make money and live independently. Now we are old and still working but for the US military. That was the only place we could get jobs over here in Germany. And last year, we both worked for a local school board in Florida because that’s the only jobs we could get there. We did ebay on the side and then garage sales but we ran out of things to sell…We are now at the mercy of the Almighty to provide and take care of us. What else can we do? We’re getting too old for this stuff…We have two more years to go and then retirement on Uncle Sam in the form of a military pension. So how are we to live independently? We can’t…

    • Charlie

      laura ,,, Biblical Law money is what ??? odds are you have been dealing in Uncle Sugars ,, sugar daddy money ,,, which has been and is “”Military Script” ,,, phoney baloney man made paper credit notes ,,, sugar daddy money is evil because it’s created by a NGO , non – constitutional , anti -Christ outfit known by the name Federal Reserve … The King’s Law Book says it’s OK to be in “The World” but NOT of The World … King Jesus Christ said at John 14:15 ,,, “If you love Me You will keep My Commandment” ,,, but ,,, IF? you don’t know The Commands of The American Militia Leader Commander?? ,,, then you got some reading to do … The King’s “Orders” some times have to be “Harmonized” with some of the other orders because King Jesus Christ is The King of ALL of His Book called The Holy Bible… See that Authority at Matthew 28:18….
      Be careful out there ,,, Wolves and snakes may bit you … Wear your combat boots …. King Jesus said at Luke 22:36 carry a Sword ,,, which means today a “”Weapon”” and it can be used for more than just slicing watermelons … Pray The King’s Prayer , at Matthew 6:9–13 everyday and IF you have not accomplished Acts 2:38 ? get R done , with understanding AND you will receive The Gift of The Holy Spirit….
      Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…………….

      • KG

        You ARE a jerk!

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          WHY he is a jerk?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here is an article showing how Christians can get off of Obama bin Laden Care.
            http://www.americanvision.org/9564/get-obamacare/#sthash.2JYvP6o9.wHtk6MPw.dpbs
            Jana said that she and her friends like this. I hope you will also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!!!!!!!!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies! How is offering an insurance that differs from Obama bin Laden Care propaganda? Though this company and its policies are voluntary, they have no taxes in them, nor do you have to pay fees to the IRS for opting out. Out of all the truth that you have seen about Obama bin Laden Care on this site you still support it? You are a worthless twit. Here is a good patriotic example of resistance.
            http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/14/veterans-storm-ww-ii-memorial-return-obamas-barricades-to-the-white-house/
            Now this is what patriots should be doing and not expanding the size of government and overtaxing the people, like you libturds and progturds like to do. I guess that is why you are a traitor. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “The fool hath said there is no God within his own heart.”
            Psalms 14:1
            Psalms 53:1

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth! Your references to all these propaganda sites every time, and silly you you believe these lies.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          The personal attack. Classic 5th column strategy. When you have no facts or have benn whomped, whip out an ad hominem. Sure sign of the less intelligent mind. Right, comrade? Here is an article about your pretender in office, Obama bin Laden.
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/despicable-president-nations-history-barack-hussein/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
          Ronald Reagan
          40th President of the U.S.

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!!.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Put up or shut up. Here is an article about what Debbie Wassergeek said about Obama bin Laden Care, the unconstitutional program.
            http://www.theblacksphere.net/debbie-wassergeek-admits-obamacare-pig-ice/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “A true Christian is a true citizen.”
            Theodore Roosevelt
            26th President of the U.S.

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!!!!

        • Charlie

          KG ,,, kinda goofy ,,, don’t be jealous because this jerk for King Jesus knows The Scriptures far better than you know your Union Contract ….. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ……….
          Did you figure out what Scripture harmonization means , yet??? Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • KG

            I called you a jerk because you seem to enjoy reviling in you own self-made ‘salvation’ that denies Christ’s ability to forgive whomever He feels fit to forgive in spite of your shallow judgements. I have shown you several parts of scripture that back-up what I have to say, but most of what you spout-out seems to come from a Chick tract. Or it may be your pentecostal preacher who is fleecing you and the rest of the flock you graze with. Acts 2:38 is a prescription for human judgement. I don’t want to be judged by humans, I want to be judged by Christ.

            Matthew 19:16-26
            King James Version (KJV)
            16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
            17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
            18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
            19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
            21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
            22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
            23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
            25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
            26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, kinda goofy ,,,, how did you come up with the mind warped idea that I wrote The Bible??? Your write indicates you have NOT got Scripture harmonization figured out … SO? We will give you a small dose of Harmonization on the Scripture that you copied and pasted from The Bible… To begin with you have to look at , who , what , when… The rich man had already figured out he could NOT buy what King Jesus Christ had to offer,,, because,,, The Rich man’s “”Things”” were his God… King Jesus told him to get rid of the other “god” and do some good for the poor people in the process….
            Then ,,, “come and follow Me” The Son of The Almighty God… OK? now what other verse already spoken by King Jesus , in the book of Matthew says in one verse basically all of what the 10 verses that you wrote say??? Check out Matthew 6:33…. NOW!!! tie in what King Jesus said at Matthew 16:19 ,,, and you “”May”” notice , Peter was given “”The Keys”” to The Kingdom of Heaven …. NOW!!! tie Matthew 16:19 in with what Peter said at Acts 2:38 … Acts 2:38 “”IS””” “”Salvation””… NOW!!! nit wit can you see that ALL Scriptures ties in with some other Scriptures??? AND?|
            Psalms 119 :160 tells you “”the sum of God’s Words are Truth”” this Scripture is the “Equation for Truth”….
            Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • KG

            Sorry, Charlie, but your apostasy is showing. Note that in the beginning, the rich man calls Jesus “good”, and Jesus answers back and says “No man is good but God.” Jesus has just admitted to him that he IS G-d. Then he tells him to ‘Keep the commandments” or the law. He says “I have kept the law.” But then Jesus, knowing that no Man can keep the law lays down a higher standard. He basically says “OK, so you think you are all that, huh? How about giving up all of your worldly possessions and show everybody just how faithful you really are!” But the rich man gets depressed because he had a lot of stuff and didn’t want to give it up for anything.

            Matthew 16:26
            King James Version (KJV)
            26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

            Matthew 16:18
            King James Version (KJV)
            18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (a pebble, a little stone), and upon this rock (Big rock or mountain) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

            Who is the big Rock?

            Rock of ages, cleft for me……
            Who is the little stone?
            Peter

            Jesus built the church on the ROCK OF FAITH IN HIM!!!

            Jesus + NOTHING = Salvation

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            REPENT—–>FOLLOW JESUS—–>SALVATION
            Please, do NOT abuse His Grace.

            “He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world … Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels … [T]hese will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:32-46)

            KG, on which side you will be: Right or Left?

            “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. – Jesus Christ (John 10:27)

            Do you hear YOUR Savior’s voice or you are hearing another voice?

            Please STOP misinterpret God’s Word.

          • KG

            Matthew 7:8-12
            King James Version (KJV)
            8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
            9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
            10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
            11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
            12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “3 YOU ASK AND DO NOT RECEIVE, because you ask amiss/wrong … Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
            5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?
            6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’[c]
            7 Therefore SUBMIT to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
            8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your HEARTS, you DOUBLE-MINDED…11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren*…12 There is one Lawgiver,[d] who is able to SAVE and to DESTROY.” (James 4:2-12)

            *** Brethren in Christ!!!

            The NT is a God’s Constitution for Christians (born again sinners) and Christ is the “Lawgiver, Who is able to SAVE and to DESTROY”

            He is One, Who separates His sheep from the World’s goats.

            KG, who are you? Sheep or goat?

            “I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)

            Jesus Christ Himself declares to you, KG! Do not miss His train.

          • Bob666

            Please STOP misinterpreting reality!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Now-Now Portoberfest,
            You have been warned by Mr. Livingston.
            We are not going to play your juvenile game.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Bob666,

            This is your second warning.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Bob666

            Thank you Bob, but I believe that i was quite specific in my response.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Alondra,

            This is your second warning.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • KG

            Matthew 4:17
            New King James Version (NKJV)
            17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

            Matthew 4:17
            1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
            17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Amend your lives: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

            Which one is it?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            KG, I do not know your motives in playing this ridiculous silliness with the Scripture, but if that is to irritate me, so you did achieve it. Congratulations, dear.

            Please check Parallel Verses in ALL Bible Translation Versions. http://biblehub.com/matthew/4-17.htm

            You should to know that the NT was written on Greek:

            “17ἀπὸ τότε ἤρξατο ὁ Ἰησοῦς κηρύσσειν καὶ λέγειν μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.” (Matthew 4:17)

            Definition of the Greek μετανοεῖτε: Repent, change mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God); from 3326 /metá, “changed after being with” and 3539 /noiéō, “think” – properly, “think differently after,” “after a change of mind”; torepent (literally, “think differently afterwards”)

            “17 From then Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach began to proclaim, saying, LAlter LiTeshuvah (Immediate Repentance), for the Malchut HaShomayim has come near.” (Matthew 4:17 – Orthodox Jewish Bible)

            Everyone chooses what Version to read. I have 5 Bibles on three languages. If I have some doubt in understanding, I do check all of them.

            You claimed you aren’t deceived. I am doubt of that.

            Seek peace with God and yourself.

            Stay tuned. Soon, before I’m going to leave this Web, I am going to rebuke ALL your and other liberals’ false interpretation of the Scripture.

            Te deseo lo major de todo mi Corazon. El único consejo para ti – no amarga tu vida mas; saca tu enojo de tu Alma y encuentra la Paz contigo mismo y disfruta el cado momento de tu vida.

            Por ahora tu sigues perdido. http://www.constitution.org/col/amazing-grace-willie-nelson.mp3

            Que Dios te Bendiga, Querido.

            “As in water face reflects face, so a man’s HEART reveals the man.” (Proverbs 27:19)

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, kinda goofy ,,, Your math is so far behind the “Power Curve” , that most of what you write will NOT Fly…
            A few basics that NO one has proven wrong………………..
            1. The “”Almighty God”” is Creator of ALL that is ….
            2. The Basic Bible of The Almighty God is a “”Way of Life”” ,,,NOT a “”Religion””…. Therefore ,,, “apostasy” deals with so called “”Religions””, created by Man… So? I have no apostasy ,,, how could it be showing???
            3. King Jesus Christ has The same “Authority” as God …
            See that at Matthew 28:18 ……….. Therefore……………….
            King Jesus Christ + The Will of His Father + Acts 2:38 = “Salvation” verified by Galatians 3:27, and , 1 Peter 3:21 … ALL “”Brainwashed” people have a communications “Gap” with People that know The Truth as revealed in The Holy Bible …. You, Agent KG ,,, are brainwashed , to the hilt on many subject matters …………
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      I receive a military pension every month on top of what I get paid as a teacher every month, so I understand what you are going through. I was barely able to keep my teaching job this year, due to budget cuts. Sook Young is working longer hours due to the cutting of the nusing staff at Elkhart General Hospital. They have even stopped the inpatient care at her ward, due to Obama bin Laden Care. Here is an article about our military and the bin Ladens.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/how-much-more-will-our-military-take/
      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “A patriot must be a religious man.”
      Thomas Jefferson
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence
      3rd President of the U.S.
      Orthodox Christian

      • smilee

        The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!..

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          SSDD, eh smelly? Where did I lie? Put up or shut up. Here is an article about what CNN did to our veterans, real Americans, unlike you.
          http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/10/cnn-denigrates-americas-veterans/
          Just like you do, traitor. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
          “Whatever makes men good Christians makes them good citizens.”
          Daniel Webster
          U.S. Senator
          Secretary of State
          “Defender of the Constitution”
          Devout Christian

          • smilee

            The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!!!!!!! Where didn’t you lie?????????

            W

      • laura merrone

        Thanks for the support. Who is Sook Young? Your wife?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Yes, she is my wife. This December will be 27 years of marriage. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Ah,yes. Another great day as we come to the field of battle to not just fight for this country, but to destroy the enemies of it. These enemies are wolves in sheep’s clothing (as said by Jesus), but who are these people? They are the ones that make up the 5th column in this country. Libturds, progturds, secularists, communists, socialists, RINOs, etc., and they all need to be deal with. Some can be voted out of office, but some on this site, need to have a cranial rectumotomy performed on them by an Obama bin Laden Care physician. Here are some articles about some resistance events.
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/americans-storm-obamas-barricades-lincoln-memorial/
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/shock-video-college-students-blame-obama-dems-shutdown/
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/red-state-secession-brink/
    Here is an article about protesting.
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/protests-privilege/
    It seems that the people are starting to wake up and are resisting what Obama bin Laden has and continues to do to this country. Keep up the good fight felliow patriots. No quarter! No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
    Benjamin Franklin
    Founding father
    Devout Christian

    • smilee

      The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        SSDD, eh smelly? Can’t come up with a more intelligent response than that? I guess that the old saying is true, the fruit don’t fall far from the tree. I guess your parents must not have been that intelligent either. Here is an article dealing with slavery in America, thanks to the libturds and progturds.
        http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/10/new-era-of-slavery-in-america/
        Thanks to the libturds and proturds for this country being in its current mess. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
        “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
        Samurai

        • smilee

          The Propaganda Kid strikes again, spreading his lies and filth!

          Its modeled after your methods! How do you answer stupidity with anything intelligent.

          http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/10...
          Thanks to the libturds and proturds for this country being in its current mess. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.”There are no atheists in fox holes.”
          Samurai

    • rbrooks

      you fled the last field of battle. you jumped on the boat and came here.

      now you seek justification for your actions by claiming your love of a country and a god suddenly transforms you into a patriot.

      you never tell us which country you love and which god is required.

      take the boat back.

  • paxf

    As a technical matter, the “real debt” is not $200 trillion. That’s mixing in the future promises (“unfunded obligations”). No interest accrues on the unfunded obligations, and they aren’t technically even owed.(*)

    (*)(There’s no legal obligation for the government to pay your Medicare or Social Security. The plain fact is that, like so many union pension promises, there’s not enough money on the planet. So, the full amounts simply won’t get paid.)

    If you look at the actual numbers, the net payments on the debt are currently just $22 billion a month. Revenues are currently running $225 billion month, so there’s more than enough to avoid default with current monthly revenue.

    Longer term, Mr. Smith’s right. Longer term, there’s no way this can continue.

  • alboy5

    Mr. Smith you are a conservative bimbo.