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No Surprises Here: Boehner Assures Wall Street That Republicans Will Raise The Debt Ceiling

May 11, 2011 by  

No Surprises Here: Boehner Assures Wall Street That Republicans Will Raise The Debt Ceiling

Monday night, House Weeper John Boehner (R-Ohio) went before Wall Street’s Economic Club to assure the Nervous Nellies that Republicans would agree to raise the debt ceiling. reported that Boehner was stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to calm Wail Street while keeping up the façade that Republicans care about cutting government spending.

The news site quoted Ron Bonjean, a former aide to past Speaker Dennis Hastert, who said, “You can’t tell Wall Street with a wink and nod that you are going to raise the debt limit, because it will definitely affect our bargaining position with the White House.”

In the speech, Boehner said that America defaulting on its debt would be “irresponsible,” and then added, almost as an afterthought, “But it would be more irresponsible to raise the debt ceiling without simultaneously taking dramatic steps to reduce spending and reform the budget process.”

NPR reports that even New York’s Democratic Senator Charles Schumer caught on to Boehner’s hypocrisy: “In an interview just two weeks ago, Speaker Boehner refused to even guarantee he would bring a bill raising the debt ceiling up for a vote in the House unless certain demands are met.”

Democrats should find comfort in the fact that Boehner is being so “reasonable” now, especially after all his big talk about “cutting trillions.” And the American people can rest assured that the Republicans always have their best interests at heart — if they live on Wall Street.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Anthony

    Been saying it since before the election. Boehner’s one of them. He will never challenge the FED. In fact, he went so far as to attempt stoping RON PAUL from gaining the current Chair he now holds – on the Finance Subcommittee. In other words, someone was trying to coerce Boehner into preventing any and all attempts to AUDIT THE FED.

    No idea why he stopped in his tracks on it. Could it be that THE FED now has a Plan B for Ron Paul? If they get audited, are we looking at two sets of OTR Semi-Driver Travel Logs?

    Boehner is no different than Mitch McConnell – they are for the status quo … don’t rock the boat … never upset the apple cart … this is a gravy train, why would a person wreck their golden ticket on retirement.

    Trouble is – thanks to AL GORE’s INTERNET(?), we the people are now awake and sharing the real truth with each other. Over on Facebook, it’s rampant on a daily basis.

    Whether it’s the fake nonsense over Bin Laden, or HAARP, or TARP,… you name it, folks from around the Globe are sharing instantly any and all evidence (articles from other Countries that our own Media wont discuss).

    It’s not looking good at this point. The government will have to stop propping things up, very shortly as it will take away from the PROFITS they gained by making it happen in the first place. We’re suffering and India and a few other palces are currently enjoying a BOOM.

    Remember – Wealth is never destroyed, it is merely transferred.

    • EddieW

      Boehner might be a one term House member, but still retires with full pay, 3000 dollar raises every year, free medical, free postage, and a host of other freebies!! These are NOT counted as part of the “entitlements”..NEVER!!! Only those on SS and Medicare…Instead of cutting where it will hurt the poor, cut the war!!! Save hundreds of BILLIONS per Month!!! Boehner betrayed us!! but it won’t matter to him!! They have feathered their nest very well at taxpayer expense!!

      • James

        EddieW, Boehner a one-term House member? What have you been smoking?

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry


          I think he meant one term Speaker..

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry


        They may have feathered their nest, but We The People let them do it.

    • James

      Anthony, What the heck does the Fed have to with the national government’s deficit spending?

      • Paul

        The Fed has everything to do with deficit spending. Before the Fed was created, we were on the gold standard. That meant that we had to pay our obligations/debts in gold. If we didn’t have enough gold, then everybody knew we could not pay our debt. So the gold standard dramatically restricts how much debt a country can issue.

        With the Fed, we can just print more money to cover the debt. It devalues the dollars people are saving and creates inflation, but the government really doesn’t care about that. So the Fed enables high debt.

        • James

          Paul, Deficit spending results when Congress spends more money than it has collected in taxes. To pay for such deficits, Congress sells Treasury bonds, people and foreign nations who buy these bonds, then are paid interest on their loan. That has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve banking system.

  • RivahMitch

    The problem is no longer resolvable at the ballot box.

    • Jovianus

      Really RivahMitch? Then what is your solution? I presume it will adhere to your patriotic mores?

      • EddieW

        Sorry buddy but I believe rivanna is right!! I’m afraid it is no longer solvable at the ballot box, because we are very rapidly heading toward a total Police State, and I’m afraid it’s too late to change it!! Most of those we vote for are members of the CFR or Trilateral Commission, and Obozo, our Liar in Chief filled every position of his cabinet with CFR members, and now you see what they are up to!! It don’t change with the President, the last President who did NOT go along w/ CFR was assassinate…JFK!! Even the TEA party wants to make the Patriot act Permanent, so they won’t have to have aspects of it voted on every year!! TSA the vanguard of the Police State, is now pushing the same treatment used on airlines, for trains, malls, courthouses, sporting events, and even on the streets!!! They are now X-raying homes, probably to see what you have for weapons!! Take cardboard, cover w/ aluminum foil, and look like the biggest gun safe in town!!

      • Harold Olsen

        I think RivahMitch is correct when he says the solution can no longer be solved at the ballot box, but, perhaps, not for the same reasons. I don’t think the problem can be solved at the ballot box because it seems that NO MATTER whom we elect, it will be business as usual. No change whatsoever. I’ve said before that I don’t have much confidence the so-called TEA Party candidates that were elected. What have they done to stop the spending and waste? Little or nothing. They all talk a good talk, but when it comes to action, they are missing. It appears that our Weeper of the House is just another tax and spend liberal, proving that just because someone is a Republican doesn’t mean they are a conservative. At best, the Republicans are left-leaning moderates. None of them list to, or care for, what the American people want.

        • Norman F.

          I think we can change the system at the ballot box. Our Tea Party group is going to work to defeat everyone in Congress who has been there ten years or more. I suggest you do the same. New members have no chance of changing the system when those with seniority control the play. We have to replace them in every election.
          I suggest that you all concentrate on those Senators and Representatives who have been in office more than ten years. It could take a long time (our rep has been there 22 years and has 4.1 million in his election fund) but we will do our best to defeat him. It would take three elections to clean out the Senate. But we don’t have to do it all at once. An election in which most of those running lost would put the fear of the voters into the rest. What could we lose?
          I know someone will say, “What if the one we elect is worse than the one we defeat.” We get rid of him the next time he runs. They need to fear us.

    • Richard Pawley

      It took years of American complacency to get where we are. For decades we said “Let George do it” and he did and so did Carter, and Clinton and Bush and Obama, and the new guy in 2012 may too, BUT IT’S CONGRESS WHO PAYS THE BILLS, PASSES THE LAWS, AND RAISES THE DEBT, all to feed the FED and Wall Street. We voted out a number of them last November, and we will do the same in 18 months. Eventually we will get responsible citizens who have no axe to grind and who will not succumb to all the incredible temptations on the Hill. It took years to get as far in debt as we are, and if we get out of debt it will take a long time, but we will never get out of debt, if we don’t start NOW! Not next year, not in ten years, NOW! All those who vote to raise the debt without cutting the spending by 20% must be voted out in 18 months. The days of letting someone else run the country will you play golf, or watch TV are over, or you will not believe the United States of the next decade.

      • Jovianus

        I don’t know. Carter left office with a $68 bil annual deficit. We all know Reagans ‘fiscal restraint” using voodoo economics. Clinton left with an annual surplus. We all know what Bush left us.

        Expectations from the wacked right is that the resluts of eight years of distaterous mismanagement, graft and corruption needs to be reversed NOW. Ignoring the fact they allowed it to occur…and the case there is the amount of noise the so-called TPers made during those years.

        However, because the economic disaster left by the GOPneeded to be dealt with in a certain way to prevent a freefall in our economy, y’all blame Obama for YOUR MESS !

        Tell ya what. Looking over the performances of the GOP versus the Democratic administration…I’d say y’all should just shut up and let the big boys handle it. You sure as heck didn’t do a good job (unless you counht economic ruination as doing a “good job”).

        • Bob

          Anus: I have worked with and for government for over 40 years and I have seen the way the government wastes our tax dollars. I have watched as money goes to lazy and incompetant government employed parasites, I have seen how money is wasted by corrupt politicians using tax dollars to reward their friends, and I have seen how corrupt businesses feed at the government trough. If we take this waste and then also end the welfare gravy train, we can balance the budget and probably cut taxes. But, that wouldn’t work for big-government lieberals such as yourself who want to keep the money trough full in order to feed all the parasites. Also, as many have pointed out to you ignorant lieberals, congress is responsible for spending, not the president and congress has been controlled by the scumocrats for most of my lifetime, ergo the scumocrats are the guilty ones.

          • azwayne

            You have it 100% correct, don’t waste too much time on anus, he’s comparable to a 15 watt bulb when a 250 watt is needed. We know congress is the problem, party name means nothing, it’s the majority of ,professional politicians that abuse and hijack the taxpayer. Tell me how you get taxpayer involvement when less than 50% bother to try elections and 80% disapprove of congress regardless of party majority. Tell me how we will change anything without a real majority CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN third party.

          • Carlucci

            Thank you Bob – of course your post went completely over Jovi’s head.
            He actually believes that anyone “serving” in government leaves his post with a “surplus”. Is that hilarious, or what???

          • BKWsr

            Bob excellant reply, But their is problems on both sides of the partys, and we need to set rid of those people. It can be done. Its interesting how people talk about different Presidents doing this and that. Reagan did good but he also did bad on taxes. I still haven’t figured out what Bush sr did. Clinton supposedly did so well, But during his time he sold us out to china, and anyone else for a dollar. On top of that all the factories in my state moved to Mexico, and China because of his polices. unemployment there went out of sight. Taxes sky rocketed. Bush did a lot of bad things, His last 4 yrs I could not begin to understand his thinking. But because of him it is the first time I ever recieved money back from the IRS. And I am far from rich. so what are all the Dems talking about. All the things our current Pres is doing has nothing to do with Bush. All that money he has wasted. For What: Big banking, Big banking housing, Big banking car loans, Car manufacters, Killing the used car buisness by spending our 5000.00 tax dollars on everybodys old car. Wake up country put these idiots out of buisness. If they do not do what we want. Put them out of office. Hold then accountable for their actions.

        • Richard Pawley

          I seem to recall that the most money ever spent by one Congress was spent by the 110th Congress. That was, by the way the, the Democratic Congress, that was elected in 2006 and remained in power until 2010. Bush had little to do with their election and Obama will likely be blamed for the terrible inflation that is coming BUT IT IS CONGRESS WHO SPENDS THE MONEY, RAISES THE DEBT CEILING AND PASSES THE LAWS, constitutional or not. Sadly there is not a lot of difference between the two parties, except the Democrats are crashing the economy faster than the Republicans. If the Libertarians and the Tea Party unite into a new Constitutional Tea Party the nation may have a chance. With more of the same you can count on at least 250% inflation. Write this down on you calendar so you will remember the number. This will happen regardless of whether you believe it or not. I only hope this doesn’t get worse and we end up in WWIII. What I can’t tell you is how fast this will happen but since the spending of money we don’t have is accelerating under this administration I suspect it will happen sooner rather than later. It will not be the end of the world but this generation will come to realize that this really is “The Last Days of the Late Great United States…” at least as we have known it. We have got to stop spending all our time with the blame game and get down to some serious reduction of debt. The reason the FED and the Treasury are just printing money out of the air is because foreigners are getting smarter and are not buying out debt as they used to do so. “Raise taxes” (the mantra of the Democratic Socialists) won’t do it because if taxes were 100% on everyone who earned over $50,000 a year – if the government could confiscate every last cent of every teacher and fireman and police officer, and every banker and businessman – EVERYTHING – it would only be enough to pay for all the government we have, city, town, county, state and the federal government. It would still not reduce the debt. We have a terminal system and all will suffer if there is not more change than any seem willing to bear. Consequently you had better be preparing for inflation the likes of which no native born American has ever seen. That is the cruelest tax of all!

          • Dan az

            Richard P
            That’s a fact.Even if we change congress in 2012 its going to happen anyway.The libs are just going to point the blame finger at the next prez.and add him to the list of incompetence.Like always they just dont get it,congress is the one that spends, he just sign’s it.If people would pay more attention to who they elect to congress this mess could start a recovery, slow and endless maybe but finally we would be going in the right direction.Ron Paul can veto any bill and if we had a congress that had to live by the very laws that they pass their tune would change.The reason why we got out of the depression was manufacturing which we have none of today,and it took what a least ten years to recover.The hole they dug us into is not going to be ten yrs but probably twenty.The point being is where not going to get out of this one,we need to get the guv out of the free market and let the people start over if they can.

        • ldot

          Joavianus, tell me one thing b.o. has done that is positive, just one.

          • James

            Idot, He invaded Pakistan and killed bin Laden.

        • James

          Jovianus, Our national debt, as of January, is $14.2 trillion and increases daily by an average of $4.17 billion. In FY 2010, the interest paid on that debt was $414 billion, or $1.13 billion per day. Given the stagnant condition of our economy, there is no way that could ever be paid off. The dollar is doomed.

      • Mike

        We cleaned out part of the problems in congress last year. We need to clean out the rest in 2012, starting at the top. Boehner needs to go along with the rest of the rhinos. He has shown that he has no backbone at all. Hopefully, the idiots that keep voting for Reid and Pelosi have finally opened their eyes and will stop electing these socialist back into office.

      • Harold Olsen

        “We voted out a number of them last November…”

        Yeah, but what good did it do us? It seems that no matter who we kick out and replace them with it is still business as usual.

    • texastwin827

      So what do you suggest…quit trying? Your (and others voters) apathy is why we have what we have, today. As the old saying goes, if you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

      • ldot

        We must have TERM LIMITS and vote in the FAIR TAX….. we have to get the power back to the people!

    • James

      RivahMitch, I agree, whoever we elect or re-elect will continue deficit spending until the dollar is totally worthless. Every currency that has had the precious metal backing removed has gone that route.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry


      Well, let’s see. We had the Soap Box, and then the Ballot Box. Are now down to the Ammo Box?

      • Coastal Carolina

        Ammo has more than doubled in cost since obama was elected. It may soon be worth more than gold!

      • Ms. Dorothy Persiflage

        Old Henry,

        I read a lot of political stuff on-line, including the “comments” after an article of interest. I rarely comment, however, as the “comments” sections are replete with trolls, idiots, off-topic posters, juvenile and hostile name-calling, and so on.

        Your comments stand out, however, as concise, to the point, and even carry a whiff of wisdom to them. Just thought I’d offer the compliment.

        So exactly how old is Henry?

        A tout ta’

  • s c

    It needs to be said that Boehner is a Republican. He is NOT a conservative. He knows who his boss is. That boss is NOT the American people. Something else that needs to be said is the idea that behind Boehner is another Boehner-like replacement. Behind that boob is yet another Boehner-like replacement.
    We don’t have anything to lose by being ‘hardcore,’ so let’s agree that conservatives have to flush the political toilet, and continually remind Washington dolts that America needs conservatives. Republicans aren’t up to the task. They have proven that since the second half of the 19th century.
    If the people on the other side of the aisle had some integrity, they’d be cleaning house and doing to their icons what conservatives are trying to do with ‘ours.’

    • DavidL

      You go SC, clean that Republican house!

    • Jovianus

      All in all, Boehner, McConnel, Canotr etc all know the same thing. Y’all will scream and rant..but when it comes election time, you’ll pull the GOP lever.

      bush proved how gullible to TPers are…put out enough commercials telling lies, organzize fake mobs showing anger at the opposition and support for his ’cause’, stifle dissent, mouth the platitudes the masses want to hear, ignore the data, ignore history, wave the bible, campaign on fear and hate … and lie. And the Far right base will believe. Easily led, easily manipulated, easily distracted from the real issues.

      You blame the current deficits, the current economy, the current wars, everything…on the Dems. It’s total ignorance of the truth, yet because you are told it was the Dems fault…you believe it. You believe the malarkey fed out by the birthers. You beieve the paid propoaganda put out by the Koch Bros., you believe our immigration problem to be caused by poor, hardworking laborers seeking nothing but the life our grandparents sought when they immigrated here. You believe that the wealthy shoulod receive their own special tax brackets, you believe that since there is a chart saying they and corproation “pay” X in taxes…they acutally do.

      Yeah….how’s it fel to be shown to be dupes? Considered dupes? And having the GOP leadership kknow they don’t have to appease you…because you’ll let yourself be led to the trough come election and they’ll get your vote.

      • Doug

        Hey Joanus I would rather deal with people like Bush then Maxist Commines that you follow! When the sheet hits the fan will see how you liberals do to take care of yourselfs. I will be eating Joanus on the BBQ usless idiot!

        • Lastmanstanding

          Doug…do some research on the bush family…they are no different than obama…just more appealing to you and others.

          The US Constitution is the only way out…A revolution of sorts will be the only way back…i have lost faith in the ballot box.

          • Jovianus


            Nice patriotic attitude. The ballot box voice of the majority is ignored because you can’t get your way….no matter that the majoity think your a few fries short of a Big Mac Deal.

          • DaveH

            Actually, Jovianus, who knows what the Majority wants any more? The politicians regularly lie about their real goals and beliefs. So, the voters aren’t really picking what they actually get.

          • Richard Pawley

            You are impatient! As I said above, it took a few generations to get us into this mess. The socialists have been working for generations. The ACLU was founded before any of us were born to help bring us into the New World Order of International Socialism. Look at last November’s ballot box. That was a beginning! You don’t return to Constitutional government over night, especially when the Constitution has been ignored for so long. Things take time. A stone cutter cutting a stone hits it a hundred times and nothing seems to change to the onlooker but at some time if he continues and the onlooker doesn’t get bored and give up, both will see the stone cut in two. It was not the last hit that did it but the hundred that went before. Keep voting out all who refuse to stop squandering all the nation can borrow and print and although we will have big inflation (as a result of all congress has already squandered) we might just be able to save the country. It’s worth a try isn’t it? Rome wasn’t built in a day, and even it’s demise, which we seem to be trying to copy, also took some time. Did George Washington quit? He wanted to, but he fought on and the world gained a new extraordinary country, unlike any that had ever existed. We have changed because we are in a war that is ultimately between good and evil. Is man to be free or a slave of the state? Is God in heaven and in our hearts or is he in Washington? I think we all know the answer. Don’t give up the good fight, but do prepare for the inflation that is inevitable. Don’t rush but keep on keeping on. The fight’s not over until it’s over. Does God rush? I think not! Sign the legitimate petitions, write well thought out letters to your representatives. Get involved. If you are a believer, pray. Even some who are believers would be amazed at all the good prayer can do. USA, USA, we aren’t perfect but we have been better than all the rest. The fight is not between left and right, but between good and evil. The founding fathers knew that, but so many these days seem to have forgotten it. Watch out for those with any agenda other than truth. Remember the navy hero, John Paul Jones, who said when all seemed lost, “I have not yet begun to fight.” Don’t let those who have no concern about the country at all get you down. We outnumber them. They will lie and do anything to crash the economy and the freedoms we have. Just keep speaking the truth. All is not lost!

          • Vigilant

            From Newsmax yesterday: “More than half of Republicans – 52 percent – say there should be a third political party, a new Gallup Poll says. The poll, released Monday, also found that 33 percent of Democrats want a third party. Gallup said it’s the first time its polls have found a significantly larger number of Republicans than Democrats favoring a third party.”

          • Carlucci

            The Bushes don’t appeal to me at all, and never have. They are just a bunch of yankee carpetbaggers who came to Texas to take advantage…they suck just as much as most of the jerks in D.C.

      • DaveH

        Well, at least for once Jovianus might be telling the truth:
        “All in all, Boehner, McConnel, Canotr etc all know the same thing. Y’all will scream and rant..but when it comes election time, you’ll pull the GOP lever”. But I hope you’re wrong.
        As far as blaming Democrats for current events, if they aren’t to blame, Jovianus, then who is? They’ve controlled Congress from 2007 to 2010, and still control the Senate. I know “it’s Bush”. And you’ll still be blaming Bush for everything for however many years it takes for the people to wake up and rid our Congress of Democrats.

      • john

        yah,and all the time youll be thinking that the lieing a– democrats are goina take the rich peoples money and give it to you.HAHA, You keep sitin on your a– waitin on that check,im sure its in the mail.

        • DaveH

          They might, John. There’s a good chance that Jovianus is in the Political Class. Why else would he fight so hard to convince people they should willingly submit to the takers?

      • Don Goodman

        (All in all, Boehner, McConnel, Canotr etc all know the same thing. Y’all will scream and rant..but when it comes election time, you’ll pull the GOP lever.) YOU ARE PARTIALLY RIGHT. WE WILL PULL THE CONSERVATIVE GOP LEVER. UNLIKE THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS WE WILL NOT ABANDON OUR PRINCIPLES.

        (put out enough commercials telling lies, organzize fake mobs showing anger at the opposition and support for his ’cause’, stifle dissent, mouth the platitudes the masses want to hear, ignore the data, ignore history, wave the bible, campaign on fear and hate … and lie.) SORRY JOVIANUS, ON IT’S BEST DAY MY PARTY CAN’T HOLD A CANDLE TO THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TACTICS.YOU HAVE BEEN USING THEM FOR SO LONG THAT YOU HAVE IT DOWN TO A SCIENCE.AND “USEFUL IDIOTS” LIKE YOU … WANT TO BELIEVE.

        (you believe our immigration problem to be caused by poor, hardworking laborers seeking nothing but the life our grandparents sought when they immigrated here.) I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOUR GRANDPARENTS, BUT MINE IMMIGRATED L E G A L L Y! I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOUR GRANDPARENTS, BUT MINE CAME HERE TO BECOME A M E R I C A N S. THEY WERE REQUIRED TO LEARN E N G L I S H!


        • RAH-RAH

          To all the above: We can banter this back and forth until hell is covered over with ice, and nothing will be gained by it. The ONLY way to make a significant change is a “Unified” effort at the ballot box, and that chance will come in November 2012. Like Ronald Reagan once said: “Politicians, like babies diapers, need to be changed occasionally, and usually for the same reason!”

    • azwayne

      Please provide the solution to get and elect CONSERVATIVES

    • Carlucci

      I just cannot trust anyone who breaks down and blubbers publicly all the time, and now this. We must clean house and take out the garbage.
      That means getting rid of all the incumbents, except for the Doctors Paul. They are the only ones who really care. I wish we could clone them.

      • James

        Carlucci, Is that how you pick your congressmen, whether they cry or not? I prefer men with more of a John Wayne-like nose.

        • Carlucci

          I don’t recall saying anything like that, James. Where did you get that idea?

          • James

            Carlucci, in your previous post you wrote: “I just cannot trust anyone who breaks down and blubbers publicly all the time.” I assumed your “blubbers’ meant crying (at least that’s how Webster’s Dictionary defines it), and that it referred to Rep. Boehner.

    • Carlucci

      Boo-Hoo Boehner the Boner is a big fat RINO, and he’s gotta go. Put him in the trash and kick him to the curb like the rest of them (except for Ron & Rand).

      • James

        Carlucci, I agree, and I would add Rep. Dennis Kucinich as an exception.

    • Harold Olsen

      Is it possible that Boehner is a Pelosi male clone??

  • http://PersonalLiberty Rose Annabelli

    Obviously Washington things the American People are stupid and cannot take care of them selves. Government get out of our business. You can’t take care of your own. When you all have to live under the same laws you pass off on us then we may see some improvement. I thought we left England to get a way from the ruling elite. Time for all politicians to take a history lesson especially focusing on the Constitution. We the the hard working People don’t trust any of you in Washington but it is obvious you really don’t care about serving the People just serving your own agenda’s and pockets. I’m sick to death of all of you.

    • Richard Pawley

      That’s what they want you to do. Feel defeated and give up. Look at what I wrote above. Think of the stone cutter, and keep on fighting. It looked like Hitler was going to conquer, not just all of Europe, but even England, and Winston Churchill, who was not liked by many, said it best, “Never, never, NEVER, never give up!” If you don’t you will see things change but it took us a long time to get in this mess because we were asleep. Now we are awake, so don’t give up, not when things are just barely beginning to turn around. Remember last years elections! The powers that be are going to spend a fortune trying to convince us all that more of the same is what we need but the next election is just 18 months away. All is not lost. Keep up the good fight! You may be pleasantly surprised, although hard times are coming because of all that congress has squandered in the past. Get active and involved. Every person can do something.

    • azwayne

      Can you tell us how we get CONSERVATIVE representation without a CONSERVATIVE party?

      • Harold Olsen

        Yeah, we’re stuck with a one-party system in this country.

    • James

      Rose A. Over 44 million americans are now on food stamps.

  • Tim

    We were discussing this whole issue over lunch today in Sandton, South Africa.

    It is plainly obvious that the raising of the debt ceiling is going to cause devaluation of the U$D. It means that that money is indirectely going to be retrieved off the world’s population as an indirect tax.

    For America to stop at the ceiling is simply the lesser of the two evils.

    Chronic problems remain with the American system, spending on unproductive areas that support the indigent. Policies that expose the economic foundation by killing competition. Industry is being punished not promoted.

    In all having wasted Trillions and printed much of it, the credit card is maxed and it is going to haul those few recovering economies down and make others worse.

    • Lastmanstanding

      Tim…well said. The USA deserves whatever it gets. Our politicians have sold us out to the bankers. Both sides. We are now a country run by “indigents”. No one wants any personal responsibility. Small business once made the country great. We are under assault from every angle to cough up money so theat thae “indigent” can have a better life.

      They are so blind to what is happening…It will not end well for anyone. Thank you for your honest opinion and truth.

      • Jovianus

        LMS….we are being corced to pay more at every level so the wqealthy and Big Corproate America can live off the fat of the land without having to work for their income. Watch the backpeddling the remainder of the week in DC as the GOP trips over itself to legimitimize why we have to cut Medicaid, Medicare and SS…and keep the subisidies to Big oil and Big Ag.

        I’d have no problem cutting tax rates or keeping rates the same for both segments…if we wipe out the subsidies and welfare they receive. Everyone states we tax our corporations at the highest in the world…which is absolutely opure BS. The brackets say we do…but the end result is they are in the bottom quartile once they take the subsidies, the deductions, the depreciations, and the multitude of other writeoffs. Warren Buffet paid less than half the rate his secretary did. In no way is that fair.

        • DaveH

          Then you might explain, Jovianus, why the Top 1% of income earners pay 38% of the taxes. These figures are from actual IRS receipts, not theoretical tax brackets:

          • Sickandtiredofpolitians

            Taxation is only upon income. The rich do not have income. They do not get a pay check from labor. That is why Kennedy did not need a paycheck from being a Senator…he had his own money making money in family trusts. I doubt that he paid taxes during his whole lifetime. There are many wealthy Democrats AND Republicans that take advantage of this system. We need a flat tax of 10% for everyone. That is more than enough to fund the government. Both the rich and the poor pay and we all feel like we have a stake in our country.

            Unfortunately, many in this blog are focused on Democrat vs Republican. Many do not get it….they are actors in the same theater, the same play, and we all think it is real. It is not. The majority no longer represents us. They tell us what we want to hear and back legislation to protect their puppet masters. We need to clean up the house and senate with those who want a constitutionally limited government. Then it won’t matter so much who is president when the president is held to the constitution.

          • DaveH

            Sure they have income, and lots of it. They wouldn’t be rich for long if they didn’t have their money invested in productive endeavors.

        • DaveH

          Jovianus says “but the end result is they are in the bottom quartile once they take the subsidies, the deductions, the depreciations, and the multitude of other writeoffs.”

          If you’re going to make such extraordinary claims, Jovianus, then show us the meat. Provide some references, please, to back up those claims.

          • Don Goodman

            Youre wasting your time Dave. Jovanius is a “true believer” – a fanatic Socialist. His comments SCREAM Socialist and his head is so filled with Democrat talking points that there is no room for critical thinking. His political beliefs…THE DEMOCRATS SAY IT…I BELIEVE IT…AND THAT ENDS IT!

          • DaveH

            I know, Don. I don’t expect an answer. I ask those questions to point out to other people that Jovianus is just fabricating facts.

        • Vigilant

          Jovi Anus has never shown any propensity to seek the truth. In his blind hatred of everyone who has more money than he, he fails to acknowledge that the Federal budget is mostly military and social welfare spending. Corporate subsidies/breaks, like foreign aid and pork barrel spending, while “glamour” issues for the hysterical, are a drop in the bucket compared to social and military expenses.

          And no matter how many times you point to who pays the taxes in this country (the wealthy), the socialists ignore it, and will ignore it until everyone pays 100% of their income to the government. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

          • Jovianus

            Vigilente…you have asked when i’m active…thus i saw your request. Here ya go…from The Tax foundation, report dated Oct. 6, 2010. “Another indicator of this reversal in the income and tax shares of the top 1 percent is that during 2004, the top 1 percent had actually paid more in federal income tax than the bottom 95 percent, a comparison that is much remarked on. But the income of the top 1 percent in 2008 means that the comparison no longer holds. During 2008, the bottom 95 percent (AGI under $159,619) paid 41.3 percent of the total collected, a larger share than the 38.0 percent paid by the top 1 percent (AGI over $380,354).”

            And ….”For the top 1 percent (as well as the top 0.1 percent), their average income tax rate actually increased from 2007 to 2008, despite shrunken income. This counterintuitive result is explained by the diminished capital gains and dividend income on high-income tax returns, income sources that are taxed at lower rates”

            And …”In 2008, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 38.0 percent of all federal individual income taxes and paid 20.0 percent of adjusted gross income in taxes, compared to 2007 when those figures were 40.4 percent and 22.8 percent, respectively.”

            20% tax rate average…

            Yep…sure are living high on the hog at our expense. And y’all cheer. Jeesh

          • Vigilant


            You’re shamelessness in posting intellectually dishonest comments is something I’ve come to expect from you. You have not disappointed this time.

            Your statement, as follows, is ludrictous to the extreme: “During 2008, the bottom 95 percent (AGI under $159,619) paid 41.3 percent of the total collected, a larger share than the 38.0 percent paid by the top 1 percent (AGI over $380,354).”

            I remember as a kid reading a book by Vance Packard entitled “How to Lie With Statistics.” And you have done just that.

            Are you so obtuse as to believe that the bottom 95% is a meaningful comparison with the top 1%? Isn’t there something missing here?

            A meaningful comparison, i.e., apples and apples, would be the bottom 95% and the top 5%. And what do we see then? That 58.7% of the taxes were paid by the top 5%. I know this involves some complex (for you) addition and subtraction, but take my word for it.

            When you can come up with an honest opinion based on facts, and present it correctly in a statistical fashion, without resorting to childish mind games, you might then find yourself in a position entirely alien to you: someone whose statements are listened to and respected.

          • Jovianus

            Vigilant…if you will note, i gave my source AND placed in quotation marks the direct writing from the source. You are a piece of work…do me a faqvor and do your trash talking where someone will listen…perhaps your friends if you have any that listen to your rantings of parnoia, hate and fear.

          • DaveH

            Jovianus, you said “The brackets say we do…but the end result is they are in the bottom quartile once they take the subsidies, the deductions, the depreciations, and the multitude of other writeoffs. Warren Buffet paid less than half the rate his secretary did. In no way is that fair”.
            I say you are a liar. Your rebuttal did not verify the above statement at all. So, they paid less from one year to the next, does that prove that “the end result is they are in the bottom quartile”?

            As Vigilant said, you are mixing apples and oranges. Do you, for instance know the difference between Adjusted Gross Income and Taxable Income? Apparently not.

            And why not link to the quoted site, so that others can read the whole text for themselves instead of those sentences that you choose to list? Here it is:

            Notice people that the average tax rate for all taxpayers for 2008 (table 1) was 12.24% while the average tax rate for the top 1% of income earners was 23.27%. Before Jovianus tries to spin that into another of his lies, just think about that. Those higher income earners not only would pay more (much more) if they just paid the same percentage as the rest of us, but on top of that they are paying a much higher percentage than the rest of us (to add insult to injury).

            As I’ve said before, Jovianus, you have no credibility on this board.

          • Vigilant

            Jovi skirts the issue by saying, “Vigilant…if you will note, i gave my source AND placed in quotation marks the direct writing from the source. You are a piece of work…do me a faqvor and do your trash talking where someone will listen…perhaps your friends if you have any that listen to your rantings of parnoia, hate and fear.”

            I can quote anything, but I look at the logic and statistical validity of the quote as a sanity check. You obviously didn’t even consider the simple ramifications of quoting something that has no statistical sense in it.

            You may insult all you like, as is your proclivity, but I notice you don’t take me on where it’s important and germane, i.e., the factual content of my statement. If that’s what you consider a piece of work, I’m glad I am, cretin.

          • DaveH

            It’s called double-speak, Vigilant, and Jovianus is working hard at it.

        • MNIce

          In its latest quarterly report, Exxon stated it made $1.1 billion in after-tax profits worldwide on a cash flow of $18 billion. In the same quarter, the company paid $26 billion in taxes (probably includes taxes from previous quarters). $8 billion of those taxes were on income, for a tax rate of 47%. The percentage could have been higher, except for losses due to Venezuela’s theft of Exxon’s project in that country. If we jacked up the US taxes on Exxon to confiscate the remaining $1.1 billion, that would amount to 0.008% of the US national debt.

          By the way, Jovianus, did you know this tax-paying machine is part of “Big Oil”? Did you know that “income” is not receipts; it’s the profit that remains after all expenses have been paid? Did you know those “subsidies” you decry are actually deductions or tax credits for the enormous expenses of oilfield exploration and development ($6.9 billion in the last quarter)? Did you know that oil is vital for our national security, so Congress has seen fit to encourage the development of oil reserves, even while Mr. Obama is doing his best to block it?

          Before you embarrass yourself further with your screeching about “Big Oil” you should do a little math (if you are able). Divide Exxon’s profits by their revenue for the year, then compare that ratio with the profit percentage of your favorite DC environmental lobbying firm. You might be surprised by how much smaller the “Big Oil” profit ratio is. You might also consider that a good share of that profit is paid out in dividends to small investors who depend on the money for their retirement living expenses. It doesn’t all go to a handful of fat oligarchs in three-piece suits. Oh, and you might also compare Exxon’s revenue with that of the world’s biggest business – the United States Government. Compared to $2.1 trillion, Exxon’s money is small potatoes.

          Disclosure: I don’t directly own any shares in Exxon. Mutual funds I hold may from time to time have an interest in that company – or its competitors. I picked on Exxon because the numbers were easy to find.

          • Jovianus

            How much of that went to pay US taxes? Maybe y’all should check before bleeting.

            Also note that yesterday someone stated the average ‘profit’ on a gallon of gas was 3 cents on the dollar. yet they failed to mention the vertical structure of the oil industry and that at each stage, from extraction to pump, they add to the ‘cost’ and take as profit via subsidiaries…mostly foreign owned. I put forth the data the actual profit per barrel is close to 35% average.

            35% profit margin. Do you know what the average for manufacturing is? Do you really think they need the $45 billion in annual subsidies we give them? You do realize that the past two years, despite the rantings of the Right…domestic oil production INCREASED ?

          • Vigilant

            As Reagan would have said, “there you go again, Jovianus.”

            “I put forth the data the actual profit per barrel is close to 35% average.”

            “Data?” No, sonny, that’s what we call a wild-assed guess. If you’ve got “data,” then provide it.

            Here’s some data, Dingleberry, from : Federal Excise Tax is 18.4 cents per gallon of gasoline sold at the pumps. The average cost of all taxes on a gallon of gas, when state and local taxes are added, is 45.6 cents per gallon. “For diesel, the mean state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon.

            Now you tell me, WHO the hell is gouging WHO?

          • Jovianus

            Vigilant…you want the source of the data I posted today? You’ll see where I stated I posted it yesterday in the other discussion forum. Have a nice day.

            BTW…what do excise taxes have to do with profit on a barrel of oil? Only in your twisted mind does it have a relation…

            Who pays the excise tax Sparky?

          • Vigilant

            “Vigilant…you want the source of the data I posted today? You’ll see where I stated I posted it yesterday in the other discussion forum. Have a nice day.”

            Jovi, I’m not going to do your legwork for you. If you don’t have the link at hand, find it and post it or consider your ravings as propaganda.

            “BTW…what do excise taxes have to do with profit on a barrel of oil? Only in your twisted mind does it have a relation…Who pays the excise tax Sparky?”

            Only in your defunct cranial vacuum could you fail to see the logic. Even if I were to admit that the Oil Cos. sustain a 30+ cents per gallon profit (which I do not), are your powers of logic (and mathematics) so weak that you can’t see that 50 cents per gallon is the profit that governments take from you? Any right mind would see that government soaks you a lot worse than any oil company could dream of doing.

            Arguing with you is tiresome, because you’re such an easy target, like a deer in the headlights. There are a few reasonable, thinking libs on this site who have a genuine thirst for knowledge. Jeremy Loechner (Sp.?) is one of them. Then there are the hopelessly lost “true believers” like you, jopa, Eric Bischoff and Robert Smith. Facts are unimportant to you guys; you change the subject or hurl insults when you’re cornered.

            Am I a name caller? You bet I am! When I see hard core communists like you, adulant worshippers of Marx, Alinski and others who would joyfully deprive human beings of their liberty, I question your pitiful arguments that deny the very success of capitalism and the abysmal failure of socialism every time it’s been tried.

            The difference between you and I is that I almost invariably substantiate my postings with fact and logic before I get into the name calling. You leftists simply look the fools that you are.

            Calling me a name caller is as effective as playing the race card: we’ve come to expect it, and it has no further utility. You use it to attempt to shut down argument. It doesn’t work any more.

      • azwayne

        The professional politicians know exactly what they’re doing. They’ve put it in place over 100 years. What’s your method to change improve? If we don’t give voter, the 50% who don’t bother, the 80% who know current parties are no good solution is CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN party based on constitution only.

  • Tim

    The wreckless spending in contradiction to election promises has meant the ceiling has been reached. I am interested in how the USA can allow a third chance for Obama to really kick more dirt into the works.

  • TimP

    I think it was Kissinger that once said,” the presidents come and go, but the people behind the scenes (Trilateral Com/ CFR)stay the same. These decisions are global ones not local ones. By voting for conservative leaders I can live with myself and prolong the local agony. It will not change the system at all though. Tim

    • http://facebook john

      you are absolutely right.i will atempt to take it a little deeper.when obama promised to spread the wealth,he was not talking about taking the rich americans money and giving it to the poor americans.he was talking about taking americas money and giving it to the third world countrys. just look at what he is doing ti is obvious to anyone who is not in a coma.

    • azwayne

      We need information from ALL candidates, are they members, friends of Bilderberg, CFR, NWO. We can’t control when they answer to their handlers.

  • Jaxontheweb

    What part of “Do Not Raise The Debt Ceiling” does Boner not understand. When he and some of the rest of the Congressmen grow some ^&*%$ then I will respect them. Right now I see a complete new set of representation in the House if this is approved. NO is a very simple word with no misinterpretation. Learn to use it or we will lose you. Cut the spending now!

    • Harold Olsen

      Oh, Boehner understands it just fine. His response though is “F*** you! I’ll do whatever the hell I want. No one tells me what to do.” He’s, basically, no different in that aspect than Obama. Neither give a damn what the people want.

  • Colleen

    Well, Anthony, I agree with you totally. Boehner is another one of the rest of the political elites who only want the status quo to continue. How in the world can he stand up and make a speech that says essentiall no new taxes, raise the debt ceiling, but cut spending to the tune 2 trillion $$???? After what he the other Republicans did with the 2010 budget…you know, the one the Dems didn’t pass before the 2010 elections?……!!! He claimed to cut $100 billion and it only wound up to be a paltry few million!


    • Richard Pawley

      YOU CANNOT SPEND MONEY YOU DON’T HAVE!! Yes, you can Colleen, if you have a printing press and can just keep printing money (as I pointed out in “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES, and the Great Famine that Followed”). However, this never ends well and we have been creating 70,000 MILLION DOLLARS a month out of thin air since last year. The Debt will be increased because we are so spoiled as a nation no one wants to sacrifice. We want others to sacrifice. The unions want the middle class to sacrifice, and the poor want the rich to sacrifice, and the Democrats want the Republicans to sacrifice, an on and on. However, if the spending isn’t cut soon ALL WILL BE EFFECTED and we will all have a lower standard of living in the future. I cannot honestly tell you how fast this will happen but you can count on prices at least tripling in the years (some say months) ahead because of all the money that congress has already squandered and continues to spend. There is no tightening of the belt and we seem to be repeating all the mistakes that were made in the 1930′s but we didn’t have any debt to speak of then. That is why I pointed out in my last book that when the dollar eventually is killed it will take the whole world economy with it. I only hope that we don’t have to expand the wars we are in to make an new world war. That will take care of the unemployment just as it did the last time but that is not a good way to go. May God help us! He will if enough people ask Him to do so. But I agree with you: STOP THE SPENDING!

      • Thamera

        Always well said Richard P.

    • Harold Olsen

      “He claimed to cut $100 billion and it only wound up to be a paltry few million!”

      I’ve read figures that the minuscule $38M that they ended up cutting was actually only $10M.

      It’s time for another American Revolution!!

      • Dan az

        Harold Olsen
        Or a tax revolt!If they cant figure out they are out of money then we need to stop giving them their allowance and lets see what they do then.Like a child we need to change their diapers.

  • Jack Taylor

    I guess Boehner hasn’t listened very hard to the people. Raising the debt ceiling will get him ousted from congress but maybe he doesn’t care because the payoffs may have begun.

    • Harold Olsen

      Why should he care? With his pension, he’s set for life. He doesn’t seem to give a damn about his integrity. He probably doesn’t even know the meaning of the word, and he did, probably doesn’t care.

  • Raggs

    The republicans cannot keep a promise…. Boy I’m shocked…. NOT!

    • Harold Olsen

      Or any other politician for that matter. It also just might be that in the 90′s when the Republicans had their CONTRACT WITH AMERICA and the Democrats said that keeping campaign promises was dirty politics. As one Democrat put it, “It’s one thing to make campaign promises. It’s a whole different thing to actually keep those promises. It smacks of dirty politics.” Perhaps the Republicans took that to heart.

  • klesb

    The Tea Party Representatives need to revolt!

    • Vigilant

      The Tea Party is biding its time, I believe. The midterm elections gave them a foot in the door, but their clout is not as great as it should be, due to lack of numbers. I think Boehner and his party line GOPers will be evicted come 2012 when the public has finally had it with the blind support of Wall Street and deficit spending.

      At that point, and if the Senate goes over as well, there may yet be a chance for some sanity in spending and some respect for the battered Constitution.

      • Richard Pawley

        We can certainly hope so. Even Nancy Pelosi has said that the Republicans need to keep the Tea Party in line, showing that she realizes that they are a threat to Democratic socialism, and that the Republicans are not THAT DIFFERENT than Democrats. While that is true for some Republicans the result may well be a third party if they can’t start doing what is best for the country. No more expansion of Medicaid as Bush did (without funding it) or as Democrats do for everything they pass (without funding it). We need conscientious Constitutionalists who will remain true to their principles no matter what the threat or the bribes thrown at them, or our “children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered” (to quote Thomas Jefferson).

    • Harold Olsen

      So far, from the inaction I’ve seen from the TEA Party candidates that were elected, they ARE revolting — very revolting!!

  • TIME

    Are not a few of these “MONKEY EGG Heads” coming up for re-election in 2012?
    Well how about we all help them to find a new job aka, “We FIRE them.”

    Look I will say this again, we don’t need any more RNIOS MONKEYS, Nor do we need anymore WACKO’S MONKEYS.
    We need AMERICANS who are looking to keep AMERICA FREE.
    Anything less is not worth the TIME to discuss.
    As freedom can not be if we owe Trillions of dollars to the World Bankers.
    Lets get rid of the FED, thus getting rid of the WORLD BANKERS.

    If these MONKEY egg heads raise the Debt Limit, we FIRE them and HIRE a NEW STAFF who will do what the American public wants done.

    Let me say this again, “DON’T Fall for the baby kissing clean shaven suit wearing, flag waving Bull Sh&t Artist MONKEYS who have their hands out wanting to RAPE & ROB you, all the while with a BIG stupid smile for the Photo Opt at 5.

    Really Look into what these MONKEY Egg Heads have done, who they owe favors to, thus do some real VETTING of these MONKEYS.
    Do it yourselfs and don’t rely on the MEDIA.

    At this point in TIME we have “SOB Monkey v AH MONKEY,” they are infact one in the same.
    We can change that but we have to work at it. If you don’t want to be dissed by MONKEYS then stop electing these buffoon MONKEYS!

    By the above statment you all say it, as in all of you;
    ” I voted for the lesser of two evils.”
    That is what has gotten us in this bloody mess. ALL Politicians LIE.

    How bloody simple is that??????????

    Make a STAND or we will all FALL!

    VOTE FOR TRUE AMERICANS who will do what they are told by the AMERICAN PUBLIC, not special interest. WAKE UP TURN off the TELIE and get your feet on the ground.

    • azwayne

      Your political leaders are in charge, it just depends to what part. If we don’t get an independent CONSERVATIVE party we’ll get NO CHANGE>

    • Mary

      I don’t like Muslim. Stop them.

  • northbrook

    Mr Boehner it may be time to plan your retirement especially if you do not get substantial and immediate relief from the deficit for any concession to raise the debt ceiling. Most people understand that the country can service the interest on the debt with the existing revenue stream – so no default. Without raising the debt ceiling the government would be forced to live within the allowable revenue stream as do most US citizens.

  • Tim

    Not only the politicians but the free riders that put them there with their votes. Democracy has allowed the excessive largess to exist. So while I see some good arguements here, what are those liberals hoping to achieve? There has to be a very serious regime change and it won’t happen quietly, but a resounding crash that even those fiscally deaf will notice the need for change. Look at Greece, on the bones of their @#$s and they are back on strike. They tanked a year ago and look like they are going about the next step down instead of pulling up their sleeves and working at getting the problem fixed.

    • DaveH

      Once people get hooked on OPM (other peoples’ money), it is extremely difficult to wean them off of it.

      • azwayne

        They haven’t been hurt yet, it just depends on how many lobbyists and relative companies they can feed in the meantime. We need the money out of politics, we need true CONSERVATIVES to get a chance. You think the Republican party wants true conservatives? look at history.

      • Harold Olsen

        Yes, the deadbeats have the attitude that they have the right to other people’s money and that those of us who earn and pay our own way do not have the right to the money we earn.

  • Rusty

    I am just one vote. But, I do vote every chance. I can’t support what is happening.

    • Harold Olsen

      So do I. But, I have to admit, I sometimes wonder why I bother. It seems that no matter who we vote for, business goes on as usual. The idiots we elect just continue to tax and spend and waste. Our real problem is that we keep electing politicians instead of statesmen. Perhaps that is because true statesmen are extinct. Many call themselves statesmen and others are called that but, in fact, they are anything but.

      In case anyone wonders what the difference is:

      A politician is out to get whatever he can that’s best for himself.
      A statesman is out to get whatever he can that’s best for his country.

  • Lori

    Let’s take those two sentences.

    “But it would be more irresponsible to raise the debt ceiling without simultaneously taking dramatic steps to reduce spending and reform the budget process.”

    “In an interview just two weeks ago, Speaker Boehner refused to even guarantee he would bring a bill raising the debt ceiling up for a vote in the House unless certain demands are met.”

    In the first, he said “….taking dramatic steps to reduce spending…”. In the second, he said “..unless certain demands are met.” The certain demands are that we take dramatic steps to reduce spending. Why do you see those as conflicting statements? Maybe it’s because you all twist the words around to what you want people to think they mean. And the sheep will follow… Why? Because they are not hurting financially or they don’t know anyone who is hurting financially. I have worked for almost 40 years in the private sector, I am divorced, my kids are grown and have families of their own, and I still make under $50,000 a year. After payroll taxes, gas, food, utilities, school loans (which the public sector doesn’t have to pay back), medical co-pays, and all the additional taxes that comes with those bills, I cannot even take a vacation, or buy presents for my grandkids for birthdays, or even afford new clothes. I don’t have any other debt, I rent a 16 x 16 studio, I have a 1988 volvo which is about to fall apart, so don’t assume I’m living beyond my means. I can’t even get a loan to get a used car because I don’t have the credit. I have tried getting help from the government, and because of what I GROSS, not NET, according to our wonderful decision makers, I make too much money. Those of you who continue to support the present administration don’t have any idea what being middle-low income means. It means you don’t make enough to have a life, but you make too much to get any help. Stop whining and start listening. People are begging for your help. We aren’t just talking to hear ourselves. We are in desparate need of people who understand how a budget works, not people like Nancy Pelosi who lives off of every one of us and doesn’t pay a dime for what she has. And those of you who say don’t raise the debt ceiling, I’m in total agreement with you; however, it can’t be done because he doesn’t have the numbers behind him. So instead, he’s going for the stand-off. Can you not see the difference? And he never said he cut $100 billion. He said he was going for $65 billion, and for now, he would accept the $35 or $40 or whatever it turned out to be. But he knew they weren’t done, he was still going for more, and that’s what he’s doing now by holding out raising the debt ceiling unless they agree to cut billions, if not trillions, more. Thank you for thinking this through before responding.

    • DaveH

      If Boehner can’t get it together now with the momentum of last years elections backing him up, why do you Hope and Dream that he can get it done later? Even $100 Billion in spending cuts is a drop in the bucket (less than a 3% cut of an extremely bloated budget). If Boehner can’t get that small task done, he sure can’t tackle the task of reducing the budget by the $1.5 Trillion or more necessary to balance it.

      • Richard Pawley

        Few people realize the power that the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank have over the congress or the country as a whole. It is why Thomas Jefferson said, “If the American People ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” We are not there yet but we are certainly headed there, and may God help us!

      • Vigilant

        You’re right Dave, but consider that a hardline approach to this would necessarily result in presidential veto, assuming it could even pass the Senate.

        While I rail against Boehner’s position, I also see the spot he’s in, and I think a little patience now may guarantee later success. We may need to lose the battle to win the war.

        • DaveH

          You’re right when it comes to spending bills, Vigilant, but the debt ceiling can only be raised if Congress (both houses) vote for it to be raised.
          As far as Obama vetoing a spending bill, so what? If he does, that puts the blame squarely in his court where it belongs. There is no excuse for Boehner’s lack of action, other than that he doesn’t really want to shrink Government. But he will put on a Dog and Pony Show to pretend otherwise.

    • azwayne

      You don’t negotiate by agreeing to raise debt limit FIRST. Can you see where we’re going? Is 5 year and 10 year terminology worth anything.politicians have been using this for 50 years. How about we demand action TODAY?

  • DaveH

    It’s time to face the facts, that the Republicans aren’t going to deliver our Freedom back. They’ve been pulling the wool over our citizens’ eyes since Lincoln’s presidency. And the Democrats have been infiltrated by Socialist types for decades now.
    Besides, there is only one Political Party with solid principles of Freedom. We believe that people have a Natural (or God-Given) Right to control their own bodies and property, unfettered by other human beings. We believe that men (and women) in Government are bound by the same rules of conduct that we expect for our mainstreet citizens. We aren’t allowed to steal the money of others, and we don’t make an exception for people in Government. We aren’t allowed to murder others (except in self-defense), and we don’t make an exception for people in Government. We believe in voluntary trading amongst each other without busybodies in Government meddling in our free choices. We believe people in Government shouldn’t be able to support their favorite Capitalists with taxpayer money. We believe that people should be responsible for their own lives, no free rides on the unwilling shoulders of others. We believe Government should be restricted to those powers as Limited by the Constitution, none of this bull of the Commerce Clause being stretched all out of proportion to accomodate anything the Federal Government damn well pleases.
    For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Markets, and Peace (which would come naturally when we get the Force of Government greatly out of our lives) — Vote Libertarian!

    • azwayne

      I( agree with all your basic reasoning, we have problem with the terminology Libertarian party, negative connotations, I will gladly fight for and support the CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN party based on the constitution ONLY

      • DaveH

        There are no negative connotations about Libertarianism other than by those who are afraid not to be able to control the lives of others.

        For the American Conservative Party platform:

        Note that they are fine with the United States as the World’s Policemen, which the Libertarians are not. We believe in defending our own country vigorously, and leaving other countries alone (unless they attack us).
        Note also that on the immigration issue, they want to continue turning Business people into the Immigration Police — “Increasing the fines levied against businesses that hire illegal immigrants”. That is a function of Government, not Business people.

  • DaveH
  • DaveH

    So, do you think the Government is Big enough, and Intrusive enough, and Expensive enough (40% of GDP)?
    Now, they are trying hard to control even More of your life choices:

    • Carlucci

      The PTB don’t want people to be healthy. When people are healthy, many of them can think and reason with a logical brain. Can’t do that when people are all zonked out on psychotropic “meds” – even “meds” like cholesterol “meds” (i.e., poison) screws up cognition.

      • 45caliber


        I know what you mean. My mother and my sister are hypochondriacs. I, on the other hand, take as little as I can possibly get by with. In fact, my doctor has told me that I take it too little. I ignore him and he knows it. At least when I take an asprin, I know it will work. With my sister, she’s lucky if anything works since she takes so much.

        • Carlucci

          45, I am sorry to hear that about your mom and sister, but I pretty much have the same thing going on in my family. They are all over- medicated and just don’t understand why they feel like crap all the time. No energy! Dragging around like a rag doll! Sleeping too much! Of course they think I’m nuts because I’m a vitamin/supplement proponent.

          I made the mistake a couple of weeks ago of telling my sister that I was in the middle of a kidney and liver cleanse. Yeah, it made my face break out a little bit (she was teasing me by saying “It takes a village – a pimple village!”), but my skin cleared up and I could not deny that my energy level had gone up considerably.

          I take one prescription medication for low thyroid, but it is bio-identical. If I didn’t have to take it, I wouldn’t.

  • http://facebook john

    you want to tell sob stories,ok. i am 60 i got disabled and lost my job in 02 it took me 3 yrs. fighting for disability before i was awarded my $600,35 mo.
    i survived those three yrs with a 1989 pickup truck and my wife and oldest daughter loading and unloading scrap metal we found in the ditches,and sometimes people would give us unwanted metal.when i did work my best year i made 31,000 gross,so you are right i have no noledge of middle income but i throughly understand low income. now if you think i am qalafied to speak as one of americas raise the debt cealing for any reason is pure indacated in your post,taxes are raping the working man.if the cealing is raised our fearless leaders will mex it out in less than a month.then your taxes will go even higher to cover the new debt.
    when you want a child to keep his hands off something the fastest way to teach him is to slap his hand every time he reaches for is time to start slapping the hands that are reaching into our cookie jar and screw the lid down too tight for our children in washington to get it off. i will survive,i am used to it.

    • 45caliber

      The sad thing is that they will ignore your story – and it is true of most of our population. Thanks for sharing.

  • Richard Pawley

    What it comes down to is that the Federal Government is addicted to debt! They are incapable to reigning in spending! Every time they raise taxes they spend more, year after year, decade after decade, generation after generation. Why do you think some 200,000 Americans a year leave the USA? At least that’s what six out of seven reported to me in 2005 and which I mentioned in my autobiography. The Liberal Progressives (mostly Democrats) never met a tax they didn’t like. They are thoroughly convinced that Americans are incapable of taking care of themselves. A far cry from the days of the pioneers or even the days of the founding fathers. Even “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” is now ancient history, and no Democrat today would ever say such a thing. Today it is all “take from any who have earned it and give to those who believe the world owes them a living”; take from the middle class and give to the unions; take from the rich and give to those who want ‘bread and circuses.’ The hard times that I have written about for 21 years are still coming. We may postpone it as we have the debt for years but as Abraham Lincoln once said, “You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.” Congress, of course, with the help of the Federal Reserve, has just about learned how to do this and it is a true disgrace. New York has lost a million citizens since the last census. Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio and New Jersey even more if you total them. The middle class can no longer afford the unions in those states. The Democrats started talking about ‘privatizing 401 K programs’ two years ago and they wonder why people aren’t contributing to them. All I know is that we stopped contributing, let’s see, when was it, oh yes, two years ago! They are trying to force us to use cars that only go a hundred miles that use electricity whose cost “will necessarily skyrocket” if candidate Obama has his way. And now the Republicans are saying they must go further into debt to keep Wall Street happy? When did Wall Street ever care about anything but their wallets? All this IS going to come to a shocking close, one of these days, and that is why millions of people all across the land are doing all they can to prepare for big inflation – prices at least triple in the years ahead (some say months?) with the possible exception of houses. Is it any wonder that more than 52% of Republicans think we need a third party that will use common sense and stop the squandering of all we can borrow and create out of the air? I almost called “The Last Days of the Late Great United States…” ‘The Death of the Dollar’ and that IS the headline on the back dust cover of the hardback edition. Get ready folks. I don’t know how much time we have left but it’s coming, “unless we have an alien invasion or a comet from space (to hit the earth)” to quote a former member of the Obama Administration. Remember, one of the ancients said, “Politics is God’s punishment to mankind for sin!” and I find it hard to disagree! May God help us because no politician is going to do so. Many across the nation are even stockpiling non-perishable freeze dried food which inflation alone will pay for. Interesting times we live in and they are going to get a whole lot more interesting. Dum spiro spero!

    • 45caliber

      I disagree on one thing. The feds aren’t addicted to debt; they are addicted to spending. They simply use debt because there isn’t enough money to satisfy them.. Actually, I believe that they consider ALL money as theirs. As long as they spend less than the total paid to everyone in the US, they feel they are being generous.

  • Don Goodman

    Here’s a platform I can support:

    NO MORE FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS: Our founders warned against it and, as usual, they were right. Close all foreign military bases,end all foreign wars, cut off all foreign aid and bring our troops home.To our enemies abroad – this warning…take any action that presents an immediate threat to the United States and our answer will be swift,deadly, and final! We will leave nothing behind but a smoking pit where your stinking country once existed.No mercy,no prisoners, and no survivors. AND NO APOLOGIES!

    ENERGY INDEPENDENCE: Make full use of every energy source in America. No more BS about snail darters or any other useless little critter. Coal,oil,and gas and start drilling NOW!

    CORPORATE TAX BREAKS AND BAILOUTS: They end today. If you can’t survive on your own, get the hell out of business.

    FEDERAL TAXES: Abolish the IRS and the FED and institute the Fair Tax within one year.

    PUBLIC SCHOOLS: They will be required to start teaching the basics and ONLY the basics. No more “social engineering” no more “feel good” crap.And no more indoctrination and rewriting history. Require daily classes on American history,the Constitution, and the American political system in grades 1 thru 12.

    WELFARE: To those who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves, and who have no other means of support, free medical coverage, food stamps, and subsidized housing. To those who are temporarily needy – food stamps, govt housing and free medical care for one year only.Unemployment benefits up to 1 year during which they would be required to perform 5 hours of community service 5 days a week.

    I would call this the CONSERVATIVE PARTY PLATFORM

    • Carlucci

      Your ideas sound good except for the one about the “fair tax”. There is no such thing – it is a contradiction in terms. Everyone pays too much tax already. You can rest assured that the “fair tax” would be anything but, especially if Fedzilla is handling it.

      • Bob

        The only fair tax would be a tax where everyone pays in direct proportion to what government “services” they consume. This type of tax would put the burden of government on the worthless parasites who keep demanding more government “services” and would eventually lead to smaller, less intrusive governemnt because as soon as the parasites have to pay for “services” they demand, they will quit demanding these “services”.

        • 45caliber

          Sounds good to me. I’d like to see them pay for the services they use. Instead of me. It would get them off my payroll and it would get rid of a lot of government drones who presently cater to them.

      • 45caliber


        I agree. The government (Congress) will be sure to leave enough tax loopholes that they and their friends can use to insure they pay no taxes at all.

        In fact, one thing I would LOVE to see done is an IRS audit on every politician in Washington.

    • 45caliber

      Not just corporate tax breaks, etc. ALL tax breaks. That includes “farmers” who sit in executive offices and pay someone else to drive a tractor.

  • Bob

    The best way to deal with government is to starve it. The best way to do that is to limit the “take” of government to a percentage of the GNP, say 10% for all government at all levels. This would leave the government with less power to abuse the producers and less money with which to reward the parasites such as Anus and the rest of the big-government, lieberal, tax-consuming drones. I have been around all levels of governemnt and I can tell you that “little” government is better governemnt. This might cause some heartburn for the parasites, but they are welcome to leave our shores at any time. Also, we would have to become self-reliant again, but that would be a good thing.

    • 45caliber


      You know, if all the parasites did move to a country with a government more to their liking (like Cuba) we might actually need the illegals pouring in all the time.

      • Bob

        That wouldn’t be all that bad if we could pick and choose the ones who could stay. in fact, maybe we could work at a trade with some of these third world cesspools – we will trade our worthless union drones, welfare parasites, lieberals, and other assorted riff raff and scum for their conservative, hard-working people.

        • 45caliber

          If we ended all the give-away programs and our parasites left, I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be getting any of the parasites from other countries. We’d be getting the ones who are willing to work.

  • chuckb

    you’ve got may vote goodman.

  • Harold Olsen

    I hope NO ONE is surprised that the GOP are going to raise the debt ceiling. It was as easy to predict as it is to predict that it is going to rain here in Seattle. The GOP, contrary to all their blather, have no plan to cut spending and help the economy, nor do they have the desire. Obama is destroying out country by destroying the economy. The Democrats are right there willingly helping him do it. The idiot Republicans either do not have the courage to stop them or they don’t have the desire and are willing accomplices. I think both. As the saying goes: Democrat or Republican. Two sides of the same coin. They are interchangeable.

  • 45caliber

    I don’t want the ceiling raised a thousand dollars UNLESS there is a reduction of spending such that we cut all our deficiets by AT LEAST 90%. Further, I want a balanced budget by next year.

    Otherwise, we shut the government down and send everyone home except Congress and the military. I would suspect that if we did that we certainly could balance the budget – probably within a month.

    • denniso

      Why do you waste your time w/ such drivel? Balance the budget in a year? Send every one home except the congress and the military? God,you’re dense! The only good news is that you have absolutely NO control over anything. What a blathering fool…

  • Charles


    John Boehner, this man has to go. Put someone like Ryan in as speaker, that has some brains. Big John has cried me a river for to long.He is scared to death of Pelosi and runs and hide when ever she enters a room. If ony he had the guts she has.

    • Harold Olsen

      I don’t like saying anything nice about that ugly witch Pelosi. But, I will say this about her. She is more of a man that Boehner is.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I think you are correct, Pelosi has more grit than Boehner.

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry


    Somehow I missed reports of the Weeper’s comments from Monday. Thank you for commenting on them here.

    This is going to cost the Republicans BIG TIME in November 2012 if they do not do EXACTLY what We The People sent them there to do last year. It also shores up my belief, and statements, that Boehner should never have been made Speaker. He is a RINO and a big part fo the problem.

    I am going to email my House Representative and let him know.

    • Harold Olsen

      I’d email my so-called representative, but that would be a waste of time. Baghdad Jim McDermott only wants to hear from constituents that completely agree with him. The rest of us, as far as he is concerned, can go to hell. Unfortunately, I live in a district in Washington state that, no matter what party you are in and no matter how good or bad a job you are doing, you keep getting reelected.

  • nw

    Both parties are on course for the new world order. Bush got re-elected by fraud, lies and coverups. Obama got elected by voter fraud, ACORN, lies and coverups. He is not a naturalized citizen, despises the US, worships Farakkan and is a communist. Everyday, the God fearing patriots of this country witness the takeover of everything sacred we believe in. Big brother is everywhere and powerful, with corporate funding and politicians selling what little soul they have for the new world order. How can you fight an enemy with so many faces, a chameleon? But then, that is the power of Satan. This country is headed to those that are the rulers and those that they enslave. There will be no middle class. Our freedoms and liberties, (what few are left)are being stripped from us and we just can’t get ahead of the game. I’m a baby boomer and I am ashamed to admit that I am conservative Republican. It is my distaste of the current President that I have become aware of the total corruption of our government since WWI. I might add that I disliked the Clintons but it is Obama that lit that fire in me. Having my freedoms and liberties stripped from me and the majority seeing Obama as the great liberator is but hopeless. I hope Obama does not get re-elected because we will really be in dire straits. There really is a new world order and it is going as planned. Check out these links:;; I hope these links work, I’m not too computer saavy.

  • chuckb

    old henry, careful what you say, if boehner starts crying, he may give barry a carte blanche. there may be something going on between those two.

  • http://deleted Claire

    It never ceases to amaze me–once a politician is elected and in office–suddenly the whole scenario changes and they backpeddle. They will do what they want, and do whatever benefits them the most.

    • denniso

      Claire…when candidates run for office for the first time they can say what works for the campaign,and they also have not been part of governing. When they get into office they are hit w/ the realities of governing and the constraints they have to operate under. Sure,some are just self serving and some outright corrupt,but that isn’t most of them.

      As a slight aside,I wonder how many people in the path of the rampaging Mississippi,most good tea party and Repub party members,want to cut the billions from the budget of the Federal Corps of Engineers? They have spent billions over the years to protect millions of people along the river and it’s tributaries. When one is not in a position of power it’s easy to proclaim grand plans for cutting and downsizing gov’t…not so easy or wise when the choices actually affect the lives of real people.

  • Ridge Runner

    Did any one ever hear what the cheroke chief said about compromise.He said that compromise was when both partys were equaly boogered.In america the only ones being compromised and boogered is the working tax paying tax paying patriots.these thiving reps are not about to let the tax payers have any say in running our government if they can stop it.These thiving sobs have hijacked our government and our country to do as they please.I belive that the only way that we can stop them is by force.they are just like all these parasites living on the government(tax payers)you will have to destroy the feed troughts and may be some of the parasites.When are we going to say enough and clean up this cess pool and eye sore in washington d.c. . these thiving outlaws are just laughing at the people while tjey are fleecing them. This didn’t start recently this has been going on for years. these reps should be put the control of the states and payed by the states.What these reps have been doing and still doing is or should be classified as grand thieft and they should be prosicuted. THese thiving sobs have high jacked our gov and there is not 2 cents differance in the demorats and the repudants.We can’t wait until most of us are locked up in these fema dention camps.These fema camps were started by george bush and the selling point was a safe place to put the people if some thing bad was to happen like a terrorists attact.Now it is becoming clear that they are to lock up the people that might oppose the take over of this radical out of control gov. these people that are trying to put the world under government ia stating that the population needs to be trimed by as nuch as 4,000,000,000 people.How many do you think will be coming home from these camps.The had an add on the internet for traines to run these fema on how to handle people and that is training for prision guards.There is already people here for this and some of them are from black water security that was used in irac.the report that i read said that most of these were from russia and were nothing but hoodlums.

  • DaveH

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