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No Light On Our Deepwater Horizon

June 22, 2010 by  

No Light On Our Deepwater Horizon

Welcome to the Summer of Schadenfreude for Earth Firsters everywhere. And what a celebration they’ve been enjoying. Fronted by Dear Leader Obama and Rahm “never let a good crisis go to waste” Emanuel, the libs have been breaking their arms in paroxysms of self-congratulation since BP’s Deepwater Horizon rig began spewing 10W30 into the Gulf.

You wouldn’t think an oil spill would bring tears of joy to anyone; but for the flat-earthers, the Deepwater Disaster means validation—if not votes. There haven’t been this many “I-told-you-so’s” since Elin Nordgren called her mother the day after Thanksgiving.

The President just gave us another glimpse of his plans, announcing an investigative commission with the petroleum-specific expertise of the pump jockey at the Gas’n’Go. The only real scientist of the group is an expert in optics. The John Hinckley jury would have been just as qualified.

The kangaroo court of a commission comes on the heels of a $20 billion shakedown of BP during which Obama acted like a loanshark chasing some schlub who’s late with the vig. Of course, when the President puts the knuckles to someone, instead of no-neck types with names like Duke and Rocco, he has the 82nd Airborne.

As for “plugging the damn hole”—Despite Dutch and Belgian expertise in dealing with precisely the situation Obama and his cronies are mishandling, Presidential obligations to Big Labor preclude any consideration of suspending the Jones Act and bringing speedy relief to Charlie the Tuna. In the Obama/Emanuel/Democrat crisis management handbook, people from other countries are fine if they’re crawling through a tunnel toward Tucson, but not so much when they’re petrochemical engineers offering to put a stop to a terrible waste of the good stuff.

Nor will there be any reconsideration of the Federal ban on offshore drilling in productive waters. In fact, there’s still a six-month moratorium on offshore drilling in water deeper than 500 feet—the equivalent of holding the Olympic diving events in the downstairs bathtub.

With the left’s petroleum pity party in full swing, let’s look at their viable alternatives. Any wingnut can decry America’s tendency to lean on Castrol. According to newly appointed Spill Panelist Frances Beinecke, this whole situation is a result of “America’s addiction to oil.” Well thank you Madam Obvious. So, what are you offering?

Wind power sounds nice. It’s clean, “Green,” and doesn’t make Flipper icky. But wind power means windmills—and windmills ruin the view from the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport.

Solar power is another Woodstock-approved energy source. You’ve never seen a Sierra Club ad featuring a baby seal flopping around helplessly in a puddle of photovoltaic cells. Unfortunately, solar power’s start-up costs are so prohibitively high, Moonbeam Mary and Patchouli Pete wouldn’t have enough left over to fix the Microbus. Plus, you’d have to pave Montana in solar panels just to power Al Gore’s mega-mansion; with maybe enough left over to run John Edwards’s hair dryer.

Ethanol gets a few column inches every time the prices at pump inch up, but that’s hype, not help. Even if every acre of corn in the country was earmarked for fuel production, it would only cover 12 percent to 15 percent of the nation’s fuel needs. And you’d have a hard time telling the kids why Tony the Tiger can’t join them for breakfast anymore.

Nuclear power is a near-perfect solution—except that Hollywood hates it. They can’t run their Priuses on plutonium. And do we really want movie stars riding around on small thermonuclear devices? Hmm..nah.

The U.S. IS the Kuwait of coal. But the eco-shriekers say it’s gross. You have to dig massive holes to get to the stuff. Fine if you’re mining diamonds for Barbra Streisand’s cleavage bling, but not cool if you’re trying to turn the lights on in a neighborhood where Babs wouldn’t be caught dead. Also, Al Gore says coal causes global warming. We should trust Al Gore—he invented the internet.

So it’s back to the deepwater drilling board for the time being. Fortunately, the world has plenty of the black stuff left. We’ll be kicking the Enterprise into warp drive long before we run out of oil. The solutions are right in front of us, if we can shoehorn some common sense into energy policy.

In the meantime, Obama was back on the golf course this weekend. Hey, Mr. President, when Malia asked “Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?” I don’t think she meant the 5th at Congressional.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Raggs

    I wonder if obama giving petro-bra(zil) 2 billion dollars along with george soros giving petro-bra 630 million dollars has anything to do with his lack of planning and leadership in the gulf?

    If or when BP fails the stocks in petro-bra will skyrocket!
    Hummm sounds a little fishy, punn intended.

    • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

      It seems that the “never let a crisis go to waste” has evolved into “never do anything to prevent a potential crisis from becoming an actual crisis if it promotes your agenda”.

      This can actually be seen in the “Flotilla Fiasco” which is actually allowing a potential crisis to escalate as well as the “Iranian Plutonium Energy Enrichment Propaganda”.

      It certainly should cause a reasonable thinking individual to wonder how many crisis’ have been created to promote an agenda and if any have been averted.

  • HFlashman

    Other than being an article with not even the barest element of truth…the author gives great support to his claim of having “burned the better part of the last two decades getting over … modern-day higher education”

    He proved he’s succeeded. No doubt about it. If this is an example of his intelligence…then his IQ wouldn’t even make a respectable earthquake measurement.

    • Norm

      HFlashman
      Thank you for a spark of sanity.
      The author of this fiction is obviously an alien from another world.

      • Richard Pawley

        Come on folks! I thought it was humorous! At least I laughed. What else can you do with what is happening in Washington? Better to laugh than to cry. Obama is just one person! Those who hate him are wasting their time. He can’t do anything without Congress. You want change in the United States, you change Congress. Otherwise, as Shakespeare said, it’s “Much ado about Nothing” but in this case it’s not a love story, it’s a tragedy, “The Last Days of the Late Great United States”. Dum spiro spero!

        • George E

          Yes. Very funny…..in a serious sort of way.

          Looks to me like Congress is Obama’s co-conspirator rather than the other way around. I know Obama needs Congress’ support, unless he issues executive orders, but they have been marching to the beat of his drum. Don’t you think?

          • Richard Pawley

            It’s academic, like “Who’s on First”? We can’t replace the president until 2012 but we need to replace Congress as best we can in November. As I pointed out in my latest book the country is going to be in bad shape by November 2012. We can’t wait. I’d rather see you in congress than many we have now. At least I know you have a sense of humor and most of the “true believers” in Washington don’t. We are headed for times that even I down played because of the great number who will die. However, the true environmentlists are those who are responsible for this mess in the first place. They wouldn’t let the oil companies drill off California or Virginia or ANWAR in shallow water but forced them to go out of sight in deep water. The Obama Administration is “loaning” the biggest oil company in Brazil some 2,000 million dollars so they can drill wells offshore that are three times deeper than the one that is spewing in the gulf. It’s Looney Tunes! We need to be energy independent and the six previous presidents have all said so without lifting a finger to actually do anything to make us so. It’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER.

        • FreedomFighter

          Have to disagree with you, Richard. The Chump in Chief can do what ever he wants, congress or no congress. He has proven this many times over. He just draws up an executive order and scratches his name on it and PRESTO, it is so. And not a single one of his EO’s have been to benefit the American people but just to further his agenda to become dictator.
          First ILLEGAL imimgrant in public office.

        • Allan

          Obama isn’t doing damage to America independent of Congress? He has raised the standard for manipulation to new heights. How about the dozens of czars only accountable to him? How about the appointments of avowed communists to various posts, and unqualified extremists such the “oil spill commission? How about intimidation of GM investors? How about blocking enforcement of the border? How about being “liar in chief” for healthcare on an ongoing basis? (Joe Wilson was right of course) How about refusing to recognize the threat from radical Islam and calling attacks on his watch isolated extremism? How about condoning illegal job offers from the White House? How about supporting attacks on firearm rights, and other Constitutional provisions he finds objectionable? How about disrespect for law enforcement, the military, and business, blatant favoritism toward unions, and polarization of the public on just about every significant issue. This master of knee-jerk reactions has a negative impact on everything he touches, never accepting accountability and working to politicize every problem instead of solving it.

          • Richard Pawley

            Of course he is doing damage and he will go down in history as the one who brought the USA to it’s knees but Pelosi and Reid and all the rest should get off scot-free? Obama is president for two years and seven months but if we wait until then to change things it will be much to late. I absolutely know that because of the spending of congress we are going to have at least a tripling of food, fuel and imported goods in the future although I cannot tell you the exact date or year this will happen. I would not be surprised if it is in the next 24 months but I do not know. Tirades against Obama are not going to change anything. Replacing the 111th congress with true conservatives who believe in being out of debt and pay as you go, is the only thing that can slow this down. It cannot be stopped. You don’t have to believe that but you had better get ready. You saw the riots in Greece. What do you think is going to happen here when the deflation ends and the price of food triples? I fully expect bigger riots all over the country. The collapse that is coming will be world wide and I for one would like to do all I can to push it off as far as possible. If we do not have a major change in this country in November then all that I and others have written about will be happening even sooner, the destruction of all paper currencies, a major world wide famine that both the Club of Rome and the CIA predicted long before I did, and more than I dared even write about in my latest book. Forget Obama (for now) but do what you can to see that good people, Democrat, Republican, Independent or Libertarian, get nominated and elected this November. WE CANNOT WAIT UNTIL 2012! It is NOVEMBER OR NEVER!

          • Richard Pawley

            I meant to say a tripling in the prices of food, fuel, and imported goods, after the deflation ends.

          • Allan

            Yes, I highly recommend a 100% turnover in Congress, along with election of as many non-lawyers as possible. If we get a bunch of new blood, and perchance new party influence such as Tea Party and Libertarian, that would increase the number of people with commitment intent to fix things. However… You still have perennial reelection campaigning, special rules and perks, and a system that breeds corruption. I honestly don’t think it’s possible for anyone, including good people from blogs like this, to go to Congress and not come out corrupted by the power and the money within four years, without …unless they are willing to change the rules. Rules regarding taking money from other sources, lobby contacts, back room deals, etc. How about one purpose per piece of legislation, so that pork barrel or other deals that couldn’t be made on their own merits aren’t sneaked through? There’s a host of practices that have to change for “Washington” to change. So really what you need to do is elect candidates that are WILLING to change the rules and restrict themselves to more honest, transparent behavior. THEY are the only ones who can change the rules. We can’t touch them! Perhaps we can accelerate this by much more asking them to sign pledges, as we’ve seen some of recently. Meg Whitman is a good example of bait and switch with illegal immigration. Hope that’s the only progressive trick up her sleeve. Thinking about the science fiction stories where people realize they need computers or robots to police their behavior because they can’t trust themselves…that is where we have arrived. Just electing replacements for this current disgraceful and counterproductive set of public servants is a good start, but we must change the system THEY control once elected.

    • George E

      I especially liked his reference to immigrants when he said it’s apparently OK with the current administration to let foreign workers crawl through tunnels to get into the US illegally, but not OK to let foreign workers come into the US legally (by waiving the Jones Act) to help us clean up the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I also liked his comment regarding coal when he said it seems OK to Barbara Streisand for companies to dig big holes in the earth to find diamonds she can wear, but not OK for them to dig holes to find coal to power our electric plants. Pretty funny, huh? More importantly, these comparisons do a good job of challenging “common sense.”

      • JeffH

        George E, I like your “points of interest”…can we get a loud “Blood Diamonds” for Hollywood? Pity if they’d ride in a battery powered limosines or be forced to use “green” makeup…Oops, invest in Petrobras…if it’s good enough for Soros and Obama, it should be good enough for…the taxpayers????

        To even think this Deepwater Horizon blowup was sabotage…is just an attack on Obama’s integrity…ya think?

    • bp

      HFlashman; Very smooth; you left out the “damage done” part! Great article, Ben.

      • Allan

        Yes, and you forgot to mention racism. You’re slipping.

      • Allan

        (I meant Flashman)

    • Conservative Lady

      I guess you’re investing in the OBAMA koolaid. I thought there were alot of facts and if Bush had gone to play golf and watch baseball this past weekend, the liberal media would have had a field day. Obama has FAILED MISERABLY, FAILED in everything but his socialist agenda. This spill will have effects on the gulf coast region for years, and he won’t even let our “friends” in other countries come in and help us. May the Lord have mercy on our miserable Country as we are adrift with nobody at the helm. Obama and the US legislators need to quit pointing fingers and ask for some help!!!

    • WarriorH

      I wonder how many “asses” got kicked on the golf course? Probably the same number as on Capt. Tony’s yacht.

    • DaveH

      I would ask you Liberals what is the truth? But then Liberals/Truth is an Oxymoron, isn’t it?

  • http://gmail i41

    Since Obumster and democrats, got a lot of campaign funds from BP, when it goes broke, the muslim and his thugs will probably just give them a government bailout. With the dems getting an exchange of ownership for a few bucks. The National Socialist Democratic Party will create and new Company call Big Piggy, with Al Gore a major share holder. I don’t know why Onumnut didn’t call Doppy Gore, he is a oil man for years with Occidental OIl ownership he got from his pappy. The B–l S–t proganda, will be busy talking smack, about the world running out of oil and global warming.

    • Raggs

      I have considered that too.
      There is no doubt there is an agenda here, money and power!
      Keep your eye on foreign offshore oil petro-bra. obama and gang are set to make a killing either way this goes… If BP fails obama will own them… If they pull through this somehow they will move to Africa. Either way petro-bra will come out on top.

      • Airangel

        Maybe we as American should play their game and beat them at it…invest in Pretrobras so when they try and change our currency and push us into servitude because they are trying to break us financially and morally…it would be kinda of funny if we all owned these shares and they did sky rocket…we’d have a little piece of the pie! Trust me they want us broke and at their mercy…Obama wants to be Pharoh and us his slaves!

  • George E

    Loved the article, except that I noticed my blood pressure rising as I read more and more. Where’s the common sense with the administration and their supporters? It seems obvious to me that they don’t bother looking at the facts or understand anything about classic economics. Otherwise, how could they possibly insist on such impractical and uneconomical solutions to our energy situation? They seem to be stuck on the idea that if they just make everyone use electric cars powered by solar and wind mills, or take a bus powered by electricity, everything will be wonderful. That might make sense in the year 2050, but it surely doesn’t today. And, forcing a solution on the public before the technology is ready, is a formula for economic disaster……just another one in a long line for this administration, I predict. Remind anyone of Hugo Chavez? The good news is they will go away eventually. The bad news is you and I will have to pay the bill for their screw ups…..and the bill is going to be HUGE.

    • Norm

      George E
      Judging from your lack of logical thinking I doubt very much that you make enough money to pay taxes. Of course that’s only speculation on my part, and I can tell the difference between truth and theory.

      • George E

        Norm,

        You are wrong on all accounts. Thanks for your “thoughtful” response. Oh yeah I forgot, “the debate is over.” End of subject. Right?

      • bp

        Norm-re:George E.- And who is paying you and HFlashman, DocSarvis, and eddie47d to clog up the blogs with your liberal hate mongering? We can see right through you, but don’t get personal, that’s going too far! This discussion is for grown-ups, and preferably Patriots.

        • George E

          bp,

          Just to be clear, you’re not accusing me of being a liberal, are you?

          • JeffH

            George E..bp was just referencing Normy’s response to you…not at all…

          • George E

            Jeff,

            Thanks for the opinion. That’s what I was hoping.

          • bp

            No, George E., that was directed at Norm and his cronies, re: his remark towards you. Sorry if that did not come across clearly. Thanks, JeffH.

          • George E

            bp,

            No problem. Thanks.

      • TIME

        Norm,
        Saddly I highly question your abilitys to know if the sun is shinning or not. So as to your abilitys to grasp LOGIC, thats 100% out of the question on all levels as far as “the reasonable man factor.”

        As to your being able to discern much of anything rational.
        I have to say that after reading your post now for the last number of months I can say with out any hesitation, your one whom I would take with a grain of salt the size of the known Galaxy on anything you post, let alone 99% of it is pure toxic vitriol.

        I did’t post this as an insult to you, it is observations based on your outlandish rhetoric, as well your toxic vitriol displayed daily over the noted period of time.

        One can have a differance of opinion, but you would rather employ outright personal attacks rather than place any form of logic.

        • Norm

          TIME
          As a proponent of ultra right wing propaganda, based mainly on lies and innuendos, I can’t take anything you say very seriously.
          If you read Mr. Crystal’s nonsensical rhetoric (if you can read) you have to wonder how he can make outlandish statements and accusations that are based on his personal biases and nothing more. His bottom line is Obama equals bad, everyone who opposes Obama equals good. BP is also somehow the good, oppressed party in all this.

          • George E

            Norm,

            I can’t say that everyone who opposes Obama is good, certainly not BP, but I can say, in my opinion, everyone who opposes Obama’s agenda and policies is doing the right thing.

          • WarriorH

            I’m confused. If BP gave the fraud a million dollars towards his campaign doesn’t that mean BP is on the bad side?

          • DaveH

            Warrior,
            Don’t you know they are cannibals? The Liberals will not hesitate to eat their own if they think they can profit from it.

          • TIME

            Norm, Again you are so wacked out dude, I am not Ultra right winged. I am an American set in the open mind format, something you may wish to explore some time after you wake up.

            Ultra Right wing is {totaly up and down Anarchy,} ultra Left {up is Marxist and down is Nazis,} as in no differance other than the name as they have the same goals. STATE RUN, everything is run by the State for the Political’s. Oh and then there’s the slaves also known as the little people or POOR, what ever floats your little boat.

            Our present government figures are in the Marxist frame of mind.
            That goes aginst everything I feel and believe.
            This country is the only bastion of freedom in the world, thus I will not sit back and let wackos like you that are bent on the Marxist train post totaly vitriol and rhetoric that have ZERO value.

            Again Norm, keep in mind I have lunch and dinner with political leaders weekly, so wher is it again that you get your info, that is other than your Marxist on line crap.
            My intel is straight from the horses mouths.

      • DaveH

        What a joke, Norm talking about logic. There is nothing even remotely logical about you, Norm. Hopes and Dreams do not equate to logic.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Logic does not equate to right wing propaganda, gut feelings, or personal desires and biases.
          A teacher I had many years ago used to say to some of the poorer students:
          “You’ll never solve problems in logic when your thinking is totally illogigical.”
          Dave you live in a world that ended 200 years ago.

          • TIME

            Norm thats just stupid statment, no one live in a world from 200 years ago.

            Pandora box was opened a long time ago and its not getting better any time soon. But if you keep your eyes closed perhaps you may miss a few things yet it will not change the facts that we are headed straight to the Marxist side of town.

          • Allan

            Norm definition of logic is when your opinion agrees with his opinion.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            You don’t have a clue about logic. If you did, you wouldn’t be a Hoping and Dreaming Liberal who advocates the forcible theft of the money of others while at the same time crying about those rich people who got their money legally with voluntary purchases and contracts from their customers. Liberals live in an upside-down world with the only consistency being that they want to live on the money of others.

          • Ted Crawford

            norm? You”re living proof that the term “progressive logic” is, indeed, the ultimate oxymoron!!!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    This is pesimistic, un-American drivel. Americans can be leaders of new energy but not with Ben Crystal’s views. We Can Achieve our energy needs by means other than oil and coal.

    • George E

      True, but not today. It will be years before we can economically get most of our power from sources other than crude oil to power motor vehicles and coal to generate electricity. To think otherwise is pure folly. That’s not to say, however, we shouldn’t be funding research and development to try to find alternative sources of power, but to prematurely force it on the public, will only serve to stifle the economy. That’s exactly what seems to be going on right now.

      • Richard Pawley

        True, George, but if the goal is to crash the economy, to bring the USA and the dollar to it’s knees, then, this all makes sense. The goal is a one world money system (and apparently) the election of those who know what is best for the “small people” as one of the elitists said in the news recently. What’s really ironic is that a number of the members of Congress have small children and the “spend till you drop” or “spend till the dollar drops” mentality is going to effect them as much as anyone. No one will escape the effects of what our beloved Congress is doing/has done. Running to another country as over 15,000 a month do or to another currency won’t help in the long run either. It’s do or die, not in 2012 but in November 2010. We have one chance to slow this train wreck down and that is in November. Sorry, but the laws of economics are such that a severe austerity would be required to stop the demise of the dollar. I believe that austerity is coming but it won’t be voluntary and the dollar may linger on longer than I have believed but it will eventually disappear along with the “Assignats” of the French Revolution and the “Continentals” of our own revolution. My advice, vote wisely in November like everything depended upon it, because I believe it does.

        • bbstacker

          To Richard: You sum it up precisely, Sir. What we do in November will be for our very lives. Either the populace will have awakened by September, or we are headed for a miserable horizon.

          The government will promise the moon, but can guarantee only one thing: Misery.

          The government cannot give anything to anyone that it first has not taken by force from someone else.

        • George E

          Richard,

          I couldn’t agree more. The first goal ought to be to get the socialist progressives out of office and bring back enough balance to our government that no one can drive it over the cliff like they’re doing right now. Beyond that, we should push the government to 1) stop increases in spending in the short term and shrink government as a percent of GDP in the longer term, 2) stop the insane energy policy the left is pushing, but do support R&D efforts to try to find alternate sources of economic energy other than crude oil and coal, while encouraging further exploration and production of our natural resources to balance our trade deficit and help keep energy prices low, 3) shut down the government’s take-over of our health care industry, and repeal the recently passed health care law, while supporting initiatives for private enterprise to streamline and make the current system more efficient, 4) control our borders, and never again grant amnesty (citizenship) to anyone found in this country illegally, except in very special cases, 5) stop the massive tax increases that are coming with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, and stop talking about raising taxes of all kinds until the government has gotten control of unnecessary spending, including waste and fraud that currently exists. Further, we need to take control of our history and culture again. We need to welcome immigrants coming into the country legally, and people with minority views, but insist they assimilate into our society. We should consider their preferences, but not let them dictate to us how our society should operate.

          • Richard Pawley

            I agree with all you suggest. If you are not running for office please continue to persuade your friends and associates that the coming election is one of the most important in their lives. In the words of David Rockefeller, Club of Rome Executive Manager, “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis!” I mention the Club of Rome in my most recent book, in the chapter on famine as they were the first to talk about the coming famine, way back in mid-1970′s. I well remember the hullabaloo it caused at the time. NOVEMBER OR NEVER!

          • JeffH

            Richard Pawley, interesting insight and I believe I’ll be picking up your book to read with interest. Thanks.

            The Last Days of the Late Great United States: And the Great Famine that Followed
            Richard Pawley
            http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=58533

      • DaveH

        The Free Market would achieve our energy independance in a very undramatic way. As oil began running out, the prices would go higher which would make alternative energies more affordable. The Green Liberals (green with envy mostly) would be the first (maybe) to spend more bucks on alternative energy to save the earth. Then as time went on economies of scale would make the alternative energies more affordable. All this would be accomplished without all the politics and wasted government money that we have now. Imagine how much cleaner we could make our society with all the money that is currently wasted trying to force unwilling citizens to pay more for less energy.

    • bp

      Doc Sarvis; So, if there’s an auto accident, we should all get off the freeway and use side roads; if there is food poisoning in California, we should all stop eating; we have no alternative energy, so we should stop oil production?! This is pure madness, and we should all hope it is going to be stopped in the courts or it will be the end of our country as we know it, which is the BHO plan!

      • Doc Sarvis

        bp

        You present an invalid analogy. But, If you know there is an accident on the freeway you might choose to use the side roads or at least slow down. If you know there is food poisoning in California you would be smart to eat food from elsewhere. We have the kernels of alternative energy so we should move to them and to energy conservation/efficiencies to avoid all the problems of our oil based economy (U.S. deaths in oil wars, air pollution from inefficient vehicles, horrible oil spills that destroy environments and economies, etc.). Your argument puts us in a box that is not there. Americans are smart enough to figure this out and not be stuck in your box.

        I didn’t say it was like a switch you can turn on to move to other – wiser sources of energy but we do have to switch to create that energy and the infrastructure to make that move.

        • TIME

          Why is that Doc, its just a flip of whats going on – and you are smart enough to know that.

          So why is it you wish to shove a square peg in a star hole? Oh yea, the classic Passive Agressive disorder. You had better see a Doc about that, you know they have pills for that problem.

        • George E

          Doc,

          The American people are smart, smart enough to know they don’t want to pay 2-3 times more for their energy to pacify a group of folks who tell us “the sky is falling” with respect to global warming and other exaggerated claims of imminent environmental disaster. We do need to pursue alternative energy, but in the R&D lab, not in the market place, until those forms of energy can be provided economically. People are also smart enough to know that natural gas is a clean and abundant form of energy, but that environmentalists don’t want it because it creates carbon dioxide, the very same gas that people and animals exhale when we breathe. The American people sense that the promise of all these new “green jobs” is more promise than reality, but that job losses from government interference in our existing energy industries is real. Therefore, when presented with all the facts, I’m confident the American people will do the right thing for our country.

          • DaveH

            In a Free Market, companies driven by the profit motive will develop alternative energies when they can see the light of profit. If the technology isn’t likely to be profitable then companies will not waste money pursuing it, unlike Liberals and Government who have no problem pursuing futile goals with other peoples’ money.

          • DaveH
          • Doc Sarvis

            George E.
            You said; “exaggerated claims of imminent environmental disaster”. Are you totally blind to what is going on in the Gulf of Mexico (and elsewhere)?

          • Doc Sarvis

            DaveH
            In a truly free market we would not have our young Americans shipped off to oil rich countries to prop up our addiction to this dwindling resource.

          • Doc Sarvis

            DaveH
            Oh, I forgot to mention; our young Americans shipped off to kill other people and be killed to prop up that addiction.

          • George E

            Dave,

            Nice article. Thanks.

          • George E

            Doc,

            No, I’m not blind to what’s happening in the Gulf of Mexico. The spill is a disaster, both economically and environmentally. However, I will say that we’ve only had one such spill in over 1000 deep water wells drilled in the Gulf. I’m convinced that as soon as the underlying cause is understood, engineers will develop solutions that will prevent this sort of thing from happening in future wells.

          • DaveH

            Doc,
            We Libertarians do not believe in being the World’s Policemen.

            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • Norm

            DaveH
            Unfortunatly, it is profitable to buy oil from our worst enemies, and to finance the war against ourselves.
            The free enterprise system is profit motivated which is good, but is totally without morals or honor which is bad.

          • TIME

            Doc, How do you know how much oil is left? And where did you get your intel from?

          • DaveH

            You have morals and honor, Norm? You’re telling a joke, right?
            You constantly replace substance with manipulation in your comments which mostly are personal attacks on others. You advocate politics which amount to one group of people forcing their way on the rest of the citizens. You advocate stealing the money of others for the sole reason that they have more than you do. You think you are honorable and moral? Not even close.

          • Norm

            DaveH

            I KNOW I am honorable and moral. I am also generous, logicical, and unselfish. I believe America is only as good as the as the standard of living of it’s people.
            You are greedy, nasty, and out of touch with the 21st century.

        • Allan

          Hint. If you continue to force “change” on others, you will waste everyone’s time and money and increase opposition. If you create the right incentives for entrepreneurs, you’ll see cooperation. The environmental movement either doesn’t understand this or doesn’t give a damn. Probably both.

    • WarriorH

      Doc, if you start flapping your arms fast enough I don’t think you’ll need any petroleum products.

    • dan of arizona

      DOC I have lived off gridd for about 16 years I can tell you that the cost per family just to have a conservative system would be in the neighbor hood of 60 thousand if you had 200 million families not counting the infastucture of the cities where probably talking about one trillion dollars but at least 500 times that for the commercial aspect so today or even tomorrow its not going to happen any time soon

  • eddie47d

    Nothing serious about Ben Crystals conversation. So many distractions you couldn’t tell if he was serious or just being a jerk. He could be a comedy writer for Saturday Night Live. Unfortunetely most of his comments were sinister and evil with no positive input. (Mr Livingston could have hired i41 (above) for that would have made as much sense. Ben’s article proves once again you can’t take anything to heart on this site.

    • Norm

      eddie47d
      AMEN!!!!

    • George E

      Eddie,

      I loved this article. Ben uses humor to make serious political policy points. I think he did a superb job, and I can guarantee you that this article will ring true with most people. Common sense seems to be absent in the thinking of too many of our leaders these days, and this article does a good job of pointing that out.

    • LoveFairly

      This is a true Obamanite, if you cant understand or answer a question then you must attack person, education, religion…
      Just an observation. Have a wonderful day.

    • DaveH

      Eddie and Norm. You two are the ones that I observe acting most like Jerks.

    • DaveH

      Which of Ben’s points do you disagree with, Liberals? Just calling somebody names and ridiculing them does not win a debate. At least not on this board where the people are a little older than eighth graders.
      Maybe on the Liberal boards name-calling and ridicule win debates. I wouldn’t know because I couldn’t lower myself to read them without getting some serious nausea.

      • Norm

        DaveH
        Read some of the remarks on this blog. You don’t see name calling and 4th grade responses? Dave your quite good at trashing anyone who doesn’t buy your colonial view of America.

        • TIME

          Norm, again you can’t even answer a simple question asked of you.

          So as you noted your were a Engineer when you worked, I will ask the question again, as you failed to answer it before; did you do maintain or did you invent?

          Thats a simple question don’t you think?

          As we all know that there is a major differance, so what is it you did dude tell us so we can bask in your brilliance.

          Man your more fun than a bag full of wacky puppy dogs. I bet your tail wags you?

          • dan of arizona

            i get it a janitor right

        • DaveH

          Yes, I do see name-calling and 4th grade responses. And it almost always starts with the Liberals like you.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            I suggest you read a little deeper, including your own Libertatian, ultra right wing nonsense.

  • http://Personalliberty.com Ben Crystal

    Good morning to you all. I dealt this subject a handful of jokers by both purpose and necessity. For those among you who find that objectionable enough to go on the offensive, I applaud your disdain.

    Take no mockery in my tone. The situation in the Gulf is reflective of what I believe to be a catastrophic disconnect in our energy policy as a whole.

    Clearly, I relate to Obama and his administration the way some of you relate to me and those who share my politics. The greatness of Personalliberty.com, and this nation, is that we have the option of hashing out such disagreement without, oh, say – a coup.

    So, let’s break it down for each other.

    Or, to put it another way:

    Let’s get it on!

    • Richard Pawley

      Ben, humor is a godly attribute. True believers of whatever ilk, don’t have it. They have tunnel vision and are incapable of seeing the “truth that sets men free”. From the politicians who crucified Jesus “for the good of the country” to those who do what they believe is “in our best interests” in our District of Corruption today, it’s all the same. Karl Marx was opposed to God, law, equal rights, the free market, marriage, and what might be called civilization. Why does the ACLU hate the Ten Commandments so the ACLU being founded by Soviet supported communists in my grandfather’s day) as the best way to bring the USA to it’s knees and establish socialism in this country? Oh, yes, separation of church and state, blah, blah, just as in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and other socialist countries. The Nazi’s tried their experiment in socialism and it failed. Their brothers in Russia, the Soviet Communists had their run, and it failed, and now we are to believe that led by the enlightened environmental “true believers” the US Congress and President Obama are going to succeed where all the world has failed. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. Look at Spain with their Cap and Trade where every green job has resulted in more than two and a half others lost and they have something like twice our unemployment. Look at the socialized medicine of England and the mess it is in, the biggest most bloated bureaucracy they have, and we have just copied it. I don’t know the answer (actually I do) but as Herbert Agar said, “The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear.” Listen to those who have good arguments but ignore those who have nothing to offer and just reduce themselves to being critics. A multi-millionaire with only a grade school education once told me that there has never been a statue raised to a critic but many have been raised to those who are being criticized. Implore your readers or listeners to vote in November for those who actually believe in our Constitution and our country, not just say they do, because it’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER, and that’s no joke!

      • chuck b

        richard pawley

        you failed to mention one other orginization that stays in the shadow and is even more destructive to our culture than the aclu, “the southern poverty law center” they work tirelessly to remove christianity from our land with a communist agenda.

        • eddie47d

          SPLC. An excellent organization that stands up for all forms of decency in America. Including Christianity and is certainly not communistic. If you even hint that you belong to one of the digusting groups that they expose I’ll have a field day.

          • JeffH

            Excellant only for those that support “socialism” and indoctrinating schoolchildren about “social justice” through the classroom. It’s my understanding that the near-former geen czar, communist Van Jones, makes regular speeches for the SPLC.

          • TIME

            The SPLC has only one agenda thats making money to keep its doors open and taking poor black folks for $$$$$$ and thats its.
            Its all 100% total BS you know what fits inbetween the B&S. Its not a degree of any kind.

            They could care less about anyting, the young lawyers there are looking to make a name for themselfs, the old ones suck at their jobs and can’t get work anywhere else.
            Now thats the profile- prove me wrong Eddieee.

            You can’t – so don’t even bother with any vitirol or rhetoric.

    • Norm

      Ben Crystal

      The kangaroo court of a commission comes on the heels of a $20 billion shakedown of BP during which Obama acted like a loanshark chasing some schlub who’s late with the vig. Of course, when the President puts the knuckles to someone, instead of no-neck types with names like Duke and Rocco, he has the 82nd Airborne.”

      By the above, am I to believe that you think Obama was wrong to insist that BP pay for the havoc that they have caused to the Gulf Coast of the United States? Would you rather the taxpayer’s pick up the tab? Why is it the government’s responsibility to clean up this mess in the first place?
      BP caused the situation by cutting corners to increase their profits and pushing drilling technology to and beyond its current limit. They lied about the spill magnitude and about the viability of the “fixes” that were used and that failed miserably. These guys are the “experts”; the government has no knowledge of the business. If the Dutch, Belgians, Saudis or anyone else had a better fix why didn’t BP use it? The government would have and still will do anything the “experts” recommend.
      If this abomination had been initiated by terrorists or a foreign power, the right wing would definitely be pushing for another trillion dollar military adventure with the 82nd Airborne and a lot more. But BP is Private Corporation. Therefore, they take the risks, no matter how outrageous, they reap the profits, they pay minimal taxes, and then when they screw, up the taxpayers pick up the tab. It’s quite a good deal you propose.

      • George E

        Norm,

        The fact is, the EPA does have the responsibility to clean up the oil spill according to current US law. BP has the responsibility to stop the leak and pay for damages and the clean-up. We don’t have a problem with BP paying for damages, but we do have a problem with Obama deciding how much they should pay, to whom, and when rather than letting the courts decide this issue. Although BP may have committed a terrible infraction with regard to this spill, they should get their day in court to plead their case. We really don’t know enough about what caused this accident yet to lay all of the blame squarely on BP’s shoulders. Also, don’t forget when you’re accusing conservatives of backing BP, BP has been a big supporter of Obama and the “green” movement. Conservatives have no special allegiance to BP, but Obama and the Dems do.

        • Norm

          George E
          Only Dems are in bed with big oil:

          Joe Barton has received $1.7 million from Big Oil and Gas
          by Chris in Paris on 6/18/2010 08:56:00 AM

          He’s not only in bed with Big Oil, but he’s had a candlelight dinner and is filling a bubble bath with rose petals on top and asking them if the water temperature is just right. I almost thought he was going to ask Hayward if he needed a soft pillow or a La-Z-Boy so he could relax. It’s too bad people like Joe Barton care so little about corporate responsibility or the impact on us “little people” who aren’t in the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies.
          Republican Joe Barton, who accused the White House Thursday of a $20 billion “shakedown” of BP, is the biggest recipient of oil and gas money in the House of Representatives.

          The 60-year-old Texas lawmaker, who later apologized for using the word “shakedown,” has collected at least $1.7 million in political contributions from oil and gas interests over the past two decades, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

          Barton, a former oil company consultant, used his seat on the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations to apologize to BP CEO Tony Hayward and castigate the White House for pressing BP to finance a $20 billion fund for damage claims from its Gulf of Mexico oil spill. He also later retracted his apology to the company.

          • George E

            Norm,

            I didn’t say that only Dems are in bed with big oil. I did say that BP contributed a lot of money to Obama and the Dems in Congress, and have been sucking up to the environmental movement, presummably so they will give them favors or look the other way when things like this happen.

            I think we make a big mistake if we divert our attention away from the failures in managing the gulf oil spill onto Joe Barton. Barton isn’t perfect, and I’m not saying he is. I am saying that the Obama administration is not taking ownership in the oil spill clean-up as they are required to do by law. I’m also saying that it’s OK to expect BP to pay for the spill and damages the spill has caused, but we should let the courts decide which claimants get paid, and how much they should be paid, not our politicians who will undoubtedly politicize the distribution if we let them handle it. Does that sound so crazy?

          • Norm

            georgee
            You actually think the courts would be more efficient and cheaper than the system now in place? Bring in the lawyers and only the lawyers will see the cash.
            As far as the feds. owning this tradgedy – get real. I’ve been an Engineer for over 40 years, and this is an engineering problem. The clean up is only secondary to stopping the flow of oil.
            The government is incapable of doing this. Sadly, we need BP or some other oil company’s technical expertise.

          • George E

            Norm,

            I got my Chemical Engineering degree in 1970 as well. But that’s neither here nor there in this discussion.

            There are a lot of technical problems surrounding this spill. There’s no doubt BP has a lot more expertise in the area of controlling wells than our government, and no one is disputing they have the responsibility to take the lead on stopping the spill. On the other hand, Congress passed a law in 1994 that makes the EPA responsible for cleaning up oil spills. This is the area that the government is doing an inadequate job.

        • eddie47d

          S o you really want to involve the courts and lawyers? Enough of them will be circling soon enough.

  • http://Personalliberty.com Ben Crystal

    Eddie47d: Saturday Night Live?!? All right – that hurt. When was the last time that show was intentionally funny? 1989? Touche’, my man.

    • TIME

      Ben,

      Don’t take Eddieee to heart, he still thinks the KKK was started by the Republicans. You know all the ones on this sight that have issues with anything UN barryO, are passive agressive’s and as we all know that mental disorder is very common amoung persons who stopped growing mentaly at age 5.

      • http://Personalliberty.com Ben Crystal

        Now, now. The purpose of the comment section is to encourage debate. If that’s the direction Eddie chooses, then he’s free to do so. All are welcome!

        • DaveH

          Ben,
          If you take the time to peruse Eddie’s past comments, present and past, you would know that he is no stranger to name-calling and ridicule. Don’t feel too sorry for Eddie.

      • eddie47d

        Your still a boob so loosen your panties!

        • eddie47d

          That was for Time -lapse!

          • TIME

            Eddieee, the raciest is back for yet one more round of exposing how little gray matter he has with any folds. Keep it up Eddieeee.

          • JeffH

            TIME, perhaps fast eddie qualifies for the illustrious Darwin Award?

          • TIME

            Hi Jeff,
            You know I used to know Fast Eddie when I lived in Florida he was a nut, but was at least a fair guy and if he owed you money he paid it back, or if he said he would do something he did it.
            A good honest man! Strange round buger thing going on with him.

            On another note our resident EDDIEEEE & Norm both are prime canidates for the “Coveted Darwin Award,” we can only hope they have not had any off spring.

            By the way speaking about Darwin Awards, I saw Chelsea Clinton last week, man did she have some work done. Both her Parents have the award
            bill laughed his ass off when I told him he was getting one, Hillery just had her normal WTF face on. And JFTR no, I am not fond of them but they are friends of some of my clients.

            I spoke with a guy Sunday at a Fathers day party that I gave him his award Sunday. I don’t think it gets it yet, as I got a call this morning asking me when the award would be coming in, I kid you not!

            And thats a wrap for the day people.

          • JeffH

            TIME, thanks for lightening the load of the day, always enjoy your comments.

  • Frankie

    Great article, Ben. I appreciated the commonsense points you made. You are right -on. November is the last chance for commonsense to prevail in this country. That is, unless the Chicago thugs are able to steal the election.

    • http://Personalliberty.com Ben Crystal

      “..unless the Chicago thugs are able to steal the election.” Wait just one moment! That sort of thing happens in this boy’s America? Shocked, I am SHOCKED!

      • Norm

        Ben Crystal
        What Chicago thugs are you talking about? More imagination?

        • Ted Crawford

          I can not, and do not speak for Ben but, the ones that cause me concern are groups that include; a.h.c.a.(aka:acorn),s.e.i.u., moveon.org, organizing for America, just to mention a few!!!

      • Ted Crawford

        Ben, what concerns me even more than this is EO-13524! If I understand this order, it seems to give the President, in this case obama, complete control of all NATO forces stationed in America! If this is true I’m concerned that another “created crisis” might occure around the middle of 2012, which just might require the declaration of Martial Law! American troops might not respond to obama in the way he will require! I wonder if foreign troops might? I hope I’m completely wrong!!!

  • bob pa

    all of you are going to get the shaft of your life. the only real sulotion is nuclear energy. it works 24/7 and as hundreds of no problem plants prove it works. 3 accidents chernobal the only serious one and that was because of the people be dammed attitude {just like obama}. are you not glad you have obama to get screwed by? I can see you are all just overjoyed for this to happen. just sit back and celebrate getting the raw deal.

  • http://personallibertydigest jim

    So the $20B is a shake down? Is the alternative to wait for the litigation by “the little people” to be complete (it took 20 years for the Exxon Valdez spill, with a greatly reduced payout)? Or is it to use taxpayer (bail out) money to make the thousands of claims whole? When there is criticism because of who is doing the job (Obama?), instead of what is being done, the critic looses all credibility!

    • DaveH

      You favor the alternative, that is a politicized doling out of the funds?
      More importantly, it is not the role of our President to be Judge and Jury. If the Leaders can not obey the laws of our country, then don’t expect the citizens to care about being law-abiding. Remember, as John Adams said “We are a nation of laws, not of men”. He meant that no man in this country is above the law, not even the Annointed One.

  • owldog

    Very funny, Ben.

    You bias is showing though. You forgot to mention the fact that the flat earth fundies who believe fossils were left by Noah’s flood, are supporting the same party as the Paleontolgist’s employers, big oil.

    I can just see them schmoozing at a hard right Neocon soiree, “he’s not my dad, or my broker, he’s our local Paleontologist who goes to our rock and roll church of Abraham and Jesus. Doesn’t talk much…We also support the ethnic regime of Israel too. They are freedom-lovers like us, but you have to be born that way – after all not all men are endowed by the Creator equally. Some of us were born masters and others born slaves…”

  • Raggs

    Solution to the problem…. Blame someone else and it will magically disappear… If that doesn’t work play golf!

  • Gayle naar

    For all that thinks the shakedown on BP is so bad and apparently thinks BP should not be held accountable for the cost of the spill and clean up, then sign up below for the bill to be sent to you. There is enough of taxes and welfare to corporations already and USA should not have to pay for this spill. If you don’t think BP should pay the cost, then who do you think should.

    • Raggs

      I don’t think anyone is saying BP is not responseable for the spill or that they should not clean it up at thier cost.

      It appears however there is yet another problem… obama once again overstepping the bounds of the constitution.

      • http://personallibertydigest jim

        Exactly what article of the constitution is that? I’M sure you have one in mind. Possibly with some supreme court opinion from a previous case to back it up. (You of course know that is how this type of argument about executive power is done. Just like when Mr. Bush decreed executive orders that the supreme court overturned as unconstitutional. (Power Grab?))

        • DaveH

          Why should Raggs educate you, Jim? Educate yourself. Here is a starting point:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#United_States:_three_branches

        • DaveH

          I wasn’t a Bush fan either, Jim, but do two wrongs make a right now?

        • Ted Crawford

          It’s interesting Jim, that you would use the actions of a right leaning progressive to, somehow, justify the actions of a far left one! The key point here is they are both progressives!!

    • George E

      Gayle,

      No one has said that BP shouldn’t pay for the clean-up and damages. BP hasn’t even said that. All we’re asking is who is going to determine how much each person/company who claims damages, should get from BP? Should Obama’s administration do that or the courts? Historically, our courts have had that responsibility. The last thing we want is for this to turn into a political game. These claims need to be adjudicated as fairly as possible to preserve the legal framework in our country.

      • eddie47d

        The claims can be done by last years tax forms the Gulf fishing industry used. If it looks like they will loose a years worth of business then Bp would be responsible. If someone tries to scam Bp then they will be in a world of hurt when the following years taxes are filed.

        • DaveH

          Yeah, sure, let’s just disband the rest of government then. They are just wasting our money. Obama can do everything himself like the dictator that he aspires to.

          • eddie47d

            Youv’ve helped turn America into a free for all anything goes I got mine society. Your no better than the govt. Shysters you rail against.

  • owldog

    The problem with nuclear, (aside from NImby, Chicken Kiev that glows in the Dark, and the fishing revenues for three mile island problem) is the problem of where do we “bury” the waste? This stuff takes 100,000 years to cut its radioactivity in half.

    The [socialist] French have nearly perfected the process of recycling nuclear waste 95% – so they don’t need to nanny so much of the Stainless caskets of the stuff for the next million years – or turn it into bombs, to fertilize the seas.

    We don’t have the techonology. They are like the clear cut timber industry clear-cuts forests (in lieu of selective harvesting, thinning and forest management) to maximize short term profits for few, in exchange for destroying the land for many.

    We also find this modus operandi fashionable in the oil industry especially since the Reagan revolution began.

    • Raggs

      Are you suggesting we all play golf and hope for a miracle alternative power like the wind? I have an idea… With the surplus in canines we can train them like a hamster to power a wheel cage and produce electricity… Oh but shucks.. that will piss off the ASPCA.
      But hey it was a thought, maybe we can spend billions on the idea and then figure out it doesn’t work!

      • owldog

        The solution to meeting energy future needs doesn’t lie in deeper and deeper wells. There are countless solutions, and breakthrough waiting to be discovered.

        The Danish produce and export wind. It is 30% of their power. It’s also an industry that makes money. The Eurpopeans will whether this recession better than us. For 50 years they’ve kept their mass transit and subsidize it with gasoline tax.

        • DaveH

          You mean like Greece, Portugal, and Spain are weathering it?
          It’s so easy to pontificate about which solutions are viable. The real proof is – can you produce the energy economically so that the public will buy it voluntarily without the Government using the public’s own money to subsidize your company?

        • George E

          Owldog,

          You’re right. There is a better way. The government should open public lands to exploration and drilling and get the heck out of the way and let our companies find and develop our natural resources, and let the market decide which energy sources are the best. If people would rather ride on trains than drive their cars, then some company will build the rail lines. However, history tells us that’s not the case. The only way that will happen is for the government to force it on us, and that’s another terrible idea.

      • eddie47d

        Your light bulb burnt out!

        • eddie47d

          That was for Raggs.Opps!

          • TIME

            Oh Eddieee your light bulb has never been on so out would be an improvement for you. But you know that now don’t you.

    • eddie47d

      Forget it. France is a socialist country and conservatives would rather eat Nuclear waste than accept anything they do.

  • owldog

    Place a Tax the big oil companies that will be used for the Federal government to pay the best petrol exploration engineers more money than oil companies pay them.

    very simple. Only problem is that the oil companies run the government.

    How is it that little countries is Europe tell the oil companies what to do, but we cannot?

    We are indeed a sick, lame giant of a country.

    • Raggs

      No dude!

      You seem to want everything “ran” by the government…
      Smells like Marx to me.

      • owldog

        Marx didn’t invent government of, by, and for, the people. The U.S. did. Right now we have government of, by, for the corporate oligarchy chemicals, big pharma, big energy, and financial sector. That was the Reagan revolution’s fault not the liberal movement’s desire.

        • bp

          owldog; Your liberal slip is finally showing! The bureaucrats (government) never “created” or “discovered” or run anything well. Have you been to the US Post Office lately? All the vending machines have been taken out; now you stand in long lines (just like the DMV!) for ‘A’ stamp and the postal people are NEVER in a hurry. Why? Because they get paid whether they serve one customer (read “little people”) or ten! There is no profit motive, therefore no efficiency. The private sector, on the other hand, can’t endlessly tax to stay in business. It also has the R&D, Research and Development. They could use the $20 billion (that’s 200 X 100 million!!!) slush fund currently in the hands of BHO’s thugocracy “Pay Czar”, who was appointed, not elected, and therefore has no accountability to WE THE PEOPLE. Even BP will never know who receives their money. This is really not about energy at all, but about cap & tax, power & control. “Under my plan, prices would necessarily skyrocket” BHO
          “Never let a crises go to waste” R.E.

    • bbstacker

      And who will pay the taxes that you propose burying the oil companies with? Every consumer is who will pay the taxes–it gets passed on; what planet did you drop on Earth from that simple math is beyond your comprehension. There is no Free Lunch program for Energy. You want to penalize the energy companies, then you penalize EVERYONE because it takes energy to produce everything. Did you spend 30 seconds following any sort of logic in your “penalty proposal”?

    • DaveH

      Oh yeah, let the people that brought us Social Security, Medicare, the Post Office, and Public Schools run the companies. They will do it so efficiently. Not! Maybe California could offer a solution.

      Why do you suppose that people, who have lifetime jobs and the power of force, are going to bother to be more efficient? Dream on.

      The Free Market (which we no longer have) is by far the best provider of goods and services. And the consumer gets to choose which to buy. No Force!

  • MJ Montana

    Dear Ben,
    You talk about energy including nuclear, solar and coal. You even say, “The U.S. IS the Kuwait of coal.”

    How is it you missed the big picture with regard to natural gas? Not only is natural gas clean but the United States has most extensive reserves of natural gas in the world — more methane than Saudi Arabia has oil.

    • DaveH

      MJ,
      Read this story about California’s electricity generating problems in 2001. It may enlighten you:
      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=347

      So many energy concepts sound so good until they are actually implemented. Natural gas may be a decent source of energy, but the best way to determine that is to get the Government, with their force and subsidies which pervert reality, out of the markets. Let the Free Market decide which energies are the most efficient and attractive to the consumer. People will willingly buy those energies that are efficient and easy on their purses.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, I remember it well. Grey Davis didn’t stand a chance to save his seat in the governors office over this.

        • DaveH

          And the Liberals did their usual misinforming about it being due to “deregulation”. I can see why the Liberal leaders would mislead, but what is it with the Liberal followers? They fancy themselves as being intelligent, yet they make no effort whatsoever to learn the facts behind the scams.

          • JeffH

            Texas Energy made tens of millions off of California buying “deregulated and triple priced” electricity…totally disgusting. My PG&E bill tripled during that time and I was very frugal to say the least.

  • Korean War Vet

    How much of that 20B will be going to ACORN? And how much to Obummers cronies? Just askin’.

    • FreedomFighter

      Hey, Korean Vet. First, my heart felt thank you for your unselfish service to our great country.

      You can bet the farm that the nuts, (acorn), and the crooks will all have their paws in the till here. So will all the Union BOSSES and organized criminals and Illegals.

    • eddie47d

      Zero,Zilch,Nada! Don’t be coy Roy!

      • JeffH

        …get off the bus Gus…

  • chuck b

    owldog

    have you taken a look lately at nagasaki or yokahama japan?. these cities were totatlly wiped out by atomic explosions, so what happened to all the radioactivety?? this did happen 65 years ago not 100,000.

    • chuck b

      correction: hiroshima not yokohama

      • TIME

        Chuck, thats 100% right and strange that both are HUGE citys now and there was never any clean up after the dropping.
        I have been to both and all I can say is bloody WOW. But then again we Americans did help build them both to what you see today.

        But hey why let FACTS and or the TRUTH get in the way when the progressive spin is so much more colorful and idiot’s like Norm and Eddieee who by the way have never left home, can eat that crap up like a big Phat greese buger.

      • bp

        Correction, Chuck: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yokohama sits next to Tokyo.

  • John Despard

    I am not an environmentalist but I do feel the Bible calls on us to be good stewards of the earth. I applaud Obama’s “shakedown” of BP. I read one columnist who referred to it as Obama’s “bully pulpit”. Either way I am reminded of whom I believe to have been a Republican from the turn of the last century. This was, of course, Teddy Roosevelt, who at least according to Mt. Rushmore was one of our greatest presidents. He seemed to think about as much of big business as President Obama.

    • Raggs

      OK..so let us shut down ALL business and let the government provide for us.oooohhhhhh! but wait…. Does the government produce anything?
      Yeah, they borrow from china for the 16 trillion dollar debt.. No thats not it… Wait a minute I have it!!! We will get FREE health care!!! Oh darn… That can’t be it nothing is free… obama reminds me of MR.Hanky on “GREEN ACRES”…

    • DaveH

      And who do we shakedown for pushing Oil Companies out into the hazardous deep waters? Not Government! Since when did Big Government lovers accept responsibility for anything? It’s a good thing BP can’t operate like the Government operates or they would be taking the taxpayer’s money to make up for their mistake.

  • Raggs

    OH wait that was MR HANEY on “green acres” maybe we will get it right.

  • chuck b

    barry will probably spread the 20b around the welfare citizens of louisiana just like katrina. its been awhile since they’ve had a transfusion. it will probably draw some of the evacuees of katrina back to their home base.

    • TIME

      Chuck there you go with yet another TRUE Fact, only about 35% of the ones that left NO returned.
      WOW, now thats strange. But hey why let facts get in the way.

  • FreedomFighter

    This whole mess is just a political scam. OBUMA fiddles while the gulf coast burns.
    BP is to blame for the inital problem but if the LIEBERALS and RINO’S would back away now, let the Dutch and who ever else has their capabilities to help, come in and do their thing to clean this up ASAP, and plug the leak,(a good place for the 20B), and do the finger pointing game later. Plenty of time for that. But no, these scoundrels have to keep their power hungry political sticks in the pot, constantly stirring trouble and kicking BP who has admitted fault and wants to do the right thing, while the people on the gulf coast continue to suffer first hand more every day, and the rest of us suffer second hand.
    Who doesn’t suffer here, you ask? OBUMA the arrogant Illegal. For a “community organizer” this BUM has NO organizational skills at all.

    • http://personallibertydigest jim

      Fredom Fighter
      So do I understand you to say the Dutch are better at fixing the problem than BP? So, BP isn’t “really” the most competent to do the job? How incompetent do you think BP is? My understanding is BP isn’t allowing the government much say in how the leak is being stopped and the government says that is OK because they are not an oil company and are leaving that part up to the experts. But if BP isn’t the a qualified expert, maybe the government should “kick Some ass” and take over who is going to stop the leak. O wait that would be socialism. Are you advocating socialism?

      • Raggs

        R-U-Kidding?

        obama the oil man just like Jed clampit on the beverly hillbelly’s.
        How funny and so ironic the faith goes to those of no experience at all.

      • eddie47d

        This goes to Freedom Fighter: Obama made it clear from day one that it was BP’s problem and allowed them to come up with their solutions. BP made it clear it was their problem and would fix it. It’s the enemies of Obama who put their stick in the political pot and demanded that he does something and now he has. Now live with your stick pointing! Don’t give me any of your phoney stick pointing that you are suffering for you are getting one hell of a kick out of it. Your just getting your daily does of anti-Obamism out of it and loving every minute.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, how does it feel being in the “minority”, being tossed under the bus for supporting this ineffective leader of “social justice”? Do you feel alone? Jump over that line and become a constitutional patriotic American…there’s still time to make the switch. You can’t continue to support the Marxist’s lack of leadership failures…cross that line while there’s still time.

          • eddie47d

            Am I supposed to run from your twisted journey into the future with all your negative plots and conspiracies. Naw! I’ll look for a brighter path and stay a “minority”.

          • DaveH

            Eddie doesn’t want to put in the work to become more knowledgeable. It’s much easier to call people names, ridicule, and fabricate facts then it is to actually do some reading.

          • DaveH

            Or thinking.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, there is always the lighterknot path to surealism riding the Unicorn and chasing the rainbow….and having coffe with the white rabbit…ahhhh, such a pleasing thought…

  • JeffH

    Oh that Glen Beck is at it again with that Crime Inc. chalboard, connect the dots game…I hope he gets it right…again…LOL!

    “Everyone in the universe knows what Halliburton is. It’s Dick Cheney’s evil oil company. Yup, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, they’re just puppets of the big oil companies like Halliburton. So, getting in bed with Big Oil is a touchy subject with the left. They won’t stand for anyone with any sort of a connection with an oil company. Oil is evil!

    Yet no one knows the word “Petrobras.” Suddenly the left’s concerns with politicians and Big Oil seem to have dissipated.

    “What is really going on with the oil?…It starts with George Soros. Once you know George Soros, you really don’t need to go much further. George Soros is the guy who started Center For American Progress. Center For American Progress is the group funded by George Soros that selected John Podesta, and John Podesta selected the White House team. (Center for American Progress is the soros funded – Obama think tank run by John Podesta)
    So Center For American Progress, John Podesta picks the White House team. This is where Van Jones went back, to Center For American Progress.
    In a completely unrelated story, Soros has purchased $900 million of Petrobras. That’s P E T R O B R A S, Petrobras. Then we have the BP oil spill as the next stop on this circle of life. Tony Podesta is the PR person for BP oil. (Tony Podesta at BP is John Podesta’s brother)
    The Center For American Progress, now according to the Wall Street Journal, is the one making the policy for this cap and trade and this oil spill. One of the policies that they recommended is that we suspend drilling. And they said that not only do we need to suspend deepwater drilling but all drilling. Guess what the White House comes out with? There are 35 oil rigs out there that the equipment now is sitting idle and there are bids from other countries on those oil rigs. They are not going to sit there idle.

    They are going to be leased some place else…Petrobras???
    Petrobras has announced that they are going to do deepwater drilling at 2,777 meters, almost twice the distance under the surface of the water as Deep Horizons in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Remember that George Soros has $900 million in Petrobras stock. It is his number one investment. Remember, he’s the guy who started Center For American Progress that is currently making the policy. Obama suspends drilling because 1500 feet is too dangerous. Petrobras says that they are going to make a — they are going to drill for oil at 2700 feet, and Obama decides to make a loan for $2 billion to Petrobras for this particular drill site.

    Why would we say it’s too dangerous in 1500 meters and then make a $2 billion loan to Petrobras, $2 billion so they can drill 2777 meters, almost twice the distance. Well, it’s good news if you are a shareholder for Petrobras because now you can go and drill. You have the equipment, you have the money and you have the backing of the United oh, wait a minute. That’s right. George Soros, his major investment is in… Petrobras. It is Crime, Inc. The circle of corruption.”

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/42166/

    Also, watch and listen to the Soros interview…everything in the worlds economic breakdown is starting to make more and more sense as the plot thickens and these little interview take place…just a little bit t peak your interest to check out Beck’s show from yesterday…linked above…

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
    GEORGE SOROS, BILLIONAIRE INVESTOR: You really need to bring China into the creation of a new — world order, a financial world order…. So I think you need a new world order that China has to be part of the process of creating it.

    He’s also doing his best to implement the Cloward and Piven strategy of collapsing the system, so that a new one can replace it:

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    SOROS: I believe that basically the system is broke and needs to be reconstituted…. The system we have now has actually broken down, only we haven’t quite recognized it and so you need to create a new one and this is the time to do it.

    • JeffH

      Mind you, this is a multi-billion dollar company that rakes in tens of billions in profits each year. Why in the world would these guys need a loan? And why are we investing in another country’s offshore drilling while banning ours?

      …and those that hate Glen Beck hate him most for the shows like yesterday and all of his conspiracey theories…does it make any sense? It makes a lot of sense to me, but I’m just what some call an ignorant “right winger” that learned at an early age that 2 + 2 will always = 4, no matter what spin the left puts on it.

      • Raggs

        Yeah do some research on petro-bra and obama’s 2 billion loan, you should find all of his thugs in the same scum.

      • WarriorH

        And don’t we wish we were in Mr. Feinberg’s shoes. He and his “staff” get to distribute all that loot. Of course, BP is paying for Mr. Feinberg and his “staff”. Looks pretty cozy to me. I wonder if Mr. Feinberg will continue to contribute to the “fraud”?

    • eddie47d

      More noise from the parrot, Did Glenn Beck upset your mental capacity again. Your head must be swimming in conspiracy theories. Obama is probably making a $2 billion loan to Petrobras because they will pay it back. You loan money to people or businesses who are reliable. Even though Exxonmobile is headquatered in the USA they paid no U.S. income tax in 2009. (forbes). Maybe we have to pick and choose who we can trust to do business with. Also- Last week you and a few others said that Obama and environmentalists forced deep Horizon out into far deeper waters than they should be in. In other words you are against being out that far. Now you are mad because Soros wants to drill 2,700 ft. and you don’t like him. I think you are the one who wants to stop progress if it doesn’t fit your political agenda. Obama suspended drilling until the oil companies can get their act together and do it safely. We don’t need a bigger mess out in the Gulf until this one is cleaned up.

      • JeffH

        fast eddie…knock knock…upset again that Beck is right on target and a judge has blocked the Obama drilling moratorium? Don’t let your emotions get the best of you…HAH!

      • DaveH

        Let’s see. Who made the most intelligent comment? Was it Eddie or Jeff? I vote Jeff.

      • DaveH

        And Eddie, what happened to saving the environment from oil spills? Last I heard, Brazil was on the same planet as we are. Well, maybe not the same planet as you.

      • Claire

        eddie47d–Okay, he suspended drilling for six months. Now why in the heck doesn’t he throw all resources that are available and get on the ball and get this oil cleaned up? In the very beginning why didn’t he take all the help he could get from other countries to clean up this mess? I don’t think he gives a damn about the environment, let alone the economy and the well-being of the people in these states. He sure dragged his feet on this one. Do you think it has anything to do with him taking money from BP for his campaign? I tried to give him and past presidents the benefit of the doubt long ago and currently, but it doesn’t work for me anymore.

        • George E

          Claire,

          Speculation is that Obama hasn’t waived the Jones Act (which prevents foreign flagged ships from sailing between US ports within US waters) because his union buddies don’t want him to. This act was put in place years ago to protect shipping jobs for US union workers. Obviously, foreign ships use foreign workers who don’t belong to US trade unions. Consequently, foreign ships can’t work within US waters to help clean the oil spill unless this act is temporarily waived. By the way, past Presidents have waived this act and others when emergencies have occurred and needed immediate attention. It looks like Obama is more concerned with keeping his union buddies happy than protecting our environment. Surprised?

          • Claire

            George E–No, I am not surprised. I am well aware of Obama’s ties to the unions. The Jones Act is another ruse that Obama can use to further his “gain” with the unions. Isn’t it ironic that it takes a disaster such as this to bring out the best and the worst in people. I am appalled at the utter lack of decency, compassion, ethics, morals, and the inability to know right from wrong in times like these. Corruption and greed has raised its ugly head again. The oil spill is a major disaster and the mishandling of this entire situation sickens me.

          • George E

            Claire,

            I agree. Wouldn’t it be nice if our government could do something without politicizing it? Wouldn’t you just like to think our politicians and special interest groups could act like statesmen for once and do what’s best for the country, especially when we are faced with a disaster like this spill? I hope the folks in our government who have acted incompetently during this whole affair get their heads handed to them before this is over. I’m sick of it.

          • JeffH

            George E and Claire…you both say and whish what so may of us want but can’t have because DC is all about “politics” above morality.

      • JeffH

        fast eddie,says and I quote: “Even though Exxonmobile is headquatered in the USA they paid no U.S. income tax in 2009. (forbes).”

        How did Exxonmobile paying no U.S. income tax in 2009 become part of this concersation…oh, though un-related you thought it might be important? To whom? You? But because you brought it up, here it is, and once again you’ve been caught in another mis-statement:

        ExxonMobil ( XOM – news – people ) in its 2009 annual report to the SEC, recorded a larger income tax expense than any other U.S. company last year, some $17.6 billion, or 47% of pretax earnings.
        Though Exxon’s financial statement’s don’t show any net income tax liability owed to Uncle Sam, a company spokesman insists that once its final tax bill is figured, Exxon will owe a “substantial 2009 tax liability.” How substantial? “That’s not something we’re required to disclose, nor do we.”

        • JeffH
          • DaveH

            Thank you, Jeff.
            I might add that if they didn’t pay income tax in any one year, it would be because they didn’t have any income that year. That’s why it is called an “income” tax. Liberals don’t know the difference between revenues and income. If they did, they wouldn’t need to ride on the backs of others.

          • JeffH

            DaveH…liberals in particular have a tendancey to “run with the headlines”. I’m sure you are somewhat familiar with scribes like the National Enquirer in the rack next to the checkout counters with headlies like “Brad Pitt and his secret male lover” or “Tom Cruise has three secret wives” or maybe “Three legged dawg hunts for the man that shot his paw”. You check them out and the story has nothing to do with the headlines.

            fast eddie reads too many headlines but never checks the content…which explains his “EWO” like comments. A severe case of “foot in mouth” disease.

  • http://paragonservices.org Gloria Jimenez Ross

    And why would they be in any hurry to plug up the hole before the ploy has had the desired effect? They still need to pass the Cap and Trade, plus all of the other environmental crap in Rahm Emanuel’s “never let a good crisis go to waste” fashion. Does anyone really believe that this was not a “planned” accident. We need to start keeping an eye out for any BP employee who all of a sudden starts spending like a “drunken sailor” (not true, it’s a sin to malign our brave Navy guys)or for some BP employee to all of a sudden be graced with the good luck of a cushy job on DUNG HILL. Greed is a great motivator.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Gloria… I agree. I still am not convinced that this wasn’t just an accident. Obama took a long time to deal with it. The fact that we have had others from different countries offer to help and we have turned them down is suspicious. The oil spill is being used to this administrations advantage. Taking BP over the coals for it was supposed to make us think they had everything under control. If that were true, it would be plugged by now. The United States is suffering. We must vote the thugs out!

      • George E

        Robin,

        I don’t think Obama is dealing with this spill yet, at least the part he has some control over. The EPA is required by law to clean up the mess and pass the cost on to BP. Have you seen or heard from the EPA regarding the clean-up effort? Has Obama waived the Jones Act yet so all the foreign vessels with oil spill clean-up equipment can help with the clean-up? No. He’s more concerned with keeping his union buddies happy than cleaning up this mess. The spill is a big, big problem and I want to believe that BP is working around the clock to try to stop it. I don’t actually know that they are, but I do know they are losing a great deal of money every hour this spill continues, so I believe they have a very big incentive to stop it quickly. On the other hand, I’m not so sure our government, at least this particular administration, wouldn’t play politics with a disaster like this to try to get their cap & tax bill passed, and/or get offshore drilling stopped. Isn’t it a shame that we can’t trust our government more than this?

        • Ted Crawford

          George, he can’t waive the Jones Act now! To do so would be to admit that he should have from the beginning! That would point out an error in judgement, and that isn’t possible! The personna of “super human” would be destroyed! Better the whole Gulf and most of the south-eastern coast be damaged than allow that to happen!!!

          • George E

            Ted,

            If he doesn’t waive the Jones Act, he’ll most likely have some heavy explaining to do to the American people when they finally figure out what’s going on in this regard. When folks understand that the EPA really is responsible for the clean-up, not BP, and Obama has refused to cut through the red tape of regulations to speed up the clean-up effort, he’ll have “hell to pay.”

    • eddie47d

      How gullible are you? There was another serious spill in the Gulf several years ago but closer to Mexico. It took 9months to shut it down and it is still leaking oil into the Gulf.(more of a trickle). Don’t believe all the conspiracy dung that get’s thrown around.

      • JeffH

        …speaking of dung, try smelling your breath…

        • eddie47d

          You never stop being pathetic do you. Go take another swig of Geratol!

          • JeffH

            …fast eddie…make the move and step across the line to the “right” side…speaking of pathetic, how life for you under these dark and dank days of Obama rule?

          • eddie47d

            No darkness here unless I listen to all your doom and gloom.

          • JeffH

            Keep the faith, follow your heart…all will be forgiven in the end…I’ll cling to my “doom and gloom” and you can have the “hope & change”, for that matter, I’ll keep my gun, ffreedom and money…you can keep the change.

          • JeffH

            Geratol beats your kool-aid any day of the week…Jim Jones…

          • Claire

            eddie47d–I am not trying to argue with you but gloom and doom is exactly what is happening right now. I see no solutions to anything. I am stating facts, and Eddie, you should wake up and actually see what is going on. Try to listen with an open mind, don’t put all your eggs in one basket. This is a different world, a chaotic world, and nothing is what it seems. Politics is a world of distrust, they all promise us wine and roses. I don’t think there is a politician alive or an administration that can get America back on her feet. What America needs first and foremost is honest people in government. The problem is that there is dishonesty in both parties. Think of yourself and your family, and think about what will truly be good for America. Put political parties aside, don’t box yourself in.

          • JeffH

            Claire, as usual. very fair and well stated.

      • DaveH

        And do you have references for that spill, Eddie? Sorry, but after catching you in some flat-out fabricated facts, I don’t take your word for anything.

        • eddie47d

          That spill was also operated by Transocean My,My! And I don’t fabricate anything. Your still sore because I called you out,but we’ll get over it.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie is without a clue, just continuous mindless babble.

          • DaveH

            Do you know what a reference is, Eddie? You still haven’t provided one.

          • DaveH

            And if you’re referring to the time you called me a liar twice, I think you should look up the defintion for lying. Your first point was even half-right but your second point was totally wrong. It was as if you had a problem reading English.
            I say the first point was half-right because after looking carefully, I found that my statement was wrong. But then you had to ruin your victory by calling it a lie. A lie is when somebody purposely tells an untruth. I guess you Liberals are so accustomed to lying to each other that you project that behavior on others.

  • charles

    i think a lot of us are assuming that the oil operations in the gulf is for our energy needs! i believe this oil is being sold to communist china and india and other destinations.why? we dont have any industry anymore. american jobs went overseas en mass for the last thirty years. we know that saudi arabia has been refining our crude oil for decades! we havent built new refinerys for decades either. we need to stop swallowing this political propaganda that makes no sense and do our own thinking for a change. we might get somewhere for a change chuck.

    • Raggs

      Speaking of a refinery….

      There is at least one new one coming up… Again you can research it.

      It is a coal gasification facility in Kemper County MS… It has been on the books for around 5 years…much prior to obama..or as some prefer to say before the messiah obama…or BMO… Anyway FYI…
      This project will start towards the end of this year ( ground work ).
      It will take four years to complete and getting it running… I’m involved in it but thats all you need to know about me.
      Anyway… obama will plan to take credit for the work.
      If you missed the meaning it is ALL to his credit in one form or the other. So all of you that are bitching about the way obama is “looked” upon think again!

    • eddie47d

      The oil companies got out of the refinery business decades ago and left the U.S. vunerable. Much more profit in drilling than in processing.

      • JeffH

        fast eddie, now it’s the oil companies fault for not opening new refineries that the US is vulnerable? To what? Drilling in deep water? Why don’t you explain this one to all of us? I’m sure we would like to here something substancial from you for a change…spit that one out so we can understand, if that’s at all possible.

      • JeffH

        Elk Point, S.D. — The United States hasn’t built an oil refinery on a new site in more than 30 years, but a pair of projects eyeing out-of-the way corners of South Dakota and Arizona are slowly working their way up to the big leagues.

        “It’s been more cost-effective to expand than to build new, and it makes sense because you have a lot of the existing infrastructure in place,” said Cindy Schild, refining issues manager for the American Petroleum Institute.
        But the shift toward tar sands oil could create a niche opportunity – especially at a Midwest site reasonably close to the Canadian border – to streamline the movement of crude and refined products, said Mary Novak, managing director of energy services for Global Insight.

        Arizona Clean Fuels Yuma, a $3 billion, 150,000-barrel-a-day refinery first pitched for the middle of the Arizona desert more than a decade ago. Officials who have worked through years of siting, permitting and financing delays are now hoping to have the plant up and running by 2012.”

        2 new oil refinery plans in the pipeline
        October 12, 2008
        http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-10-12/news/17134626_1_south-dakota-oil-refinery-arizona-clean-fuels-yuma

        • Raggs

          OK so I will spell it out!

          1st of all I never said anything about a new oil refinery!
          I stated a Coal refinery..

          Ok I gave you one point that should be enough for your brain.

          • JeffH

            Raggs, my comments and posts are directed at fast eddie. I can read and comprehend just fine and in case you didn’t notice, my post was under fast eddie…not on the Raggs…You might not like what I say, but we are on the same side and if you can’t handle that…oh well tough shitski as they say in Poland.

          • JeffH

            …oh FYI…paranoia mind destroia…

        • DaveH

          The problem is that we have gone from NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) to BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything). It is darn near impossible to get the permits to build new refineries.

          • Claire

            DaveH– I have heard numerous people from various states say they do not want an oil rig anywhere near their coastline.

          • DaveH

            Not Bobby Jindal.

          • Claire

            DaveH–Of course not, not Jindal. Others.

          • George E

            Bring all the rigs you want to Texas. We see money when we see oil and gas wells. We like ‘em here. Wish I had one……..ha. My wife grew up in an oil field. She told me that before they had air conditioners, she would go to sleep every night to the sound of the pumps rocking back and forth. Oil and gas has put a lot of kids through school and a lot of food on the table down here, not to mention all of the infrastructure it has paid for. We (at least some of us) love these industries.

          • DaveH

            Do they drive, Claire? Do they air-condition their houses? Do they whine when the price of gasoline goes sky-high?

  • DaveH
    • Raggs

      Bravo!

      Immigration needs to be handled on a state basis as well!
      The federal statue is a joke when we have a loser in the white house.

    • JeffH

      Good news…Obama’s only fooling the fools now. What about the rumor that ole “Rahmbo Deadfish” is going to bail out of the DC Mafioso’s White House party…

      Sen. David Vitter, R-La., praised the ruling, saying the judge got at least two things right.

      “First of all that the president’s powers are not unlimited, that there needs to be a basis in law for whatever he does,” Vitter told Fox News, “and secondly that this is a huge deal and would cost — if the moratorium continues — well over 100,000 jobs in the Gulf. So it is a big, big deals.”

      Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, said the ruling showed the moratorium was “overreaching.”

      “It should serve as a shot across the bow to the administration and Congress that American workers must continue to develop America’s energy resources within our borders,” Begich said in a written statement.

  • gofer

    Those rare earth minerals used in windmills and batteries have to be mined. Guess where most of them are….yep, in foreign lands such as China who controls a huge share. Imagine the future of a mountain of 400 lb batteries and pulling up to the station and having them “forklift” one of those monstors into the old electric. Wonder what the resale value of one of these cars will be when one is faced with the possibility of replacing a $10,000 battery. It’s all about pixie dust and unicorns.

    Thousands of products are made from oil. Most everything in people’s houses has oil connected to it somehow. Oil is the foundation of prosperity and it’s inconceivable that people would attack it as something evil. The air is cleaner than it has ever been in modern day U.S. Newer and cleaner and higher mileage engines are being developed and what will happen to electic when a V-8 hits the market that gets 80 mpg. They already have one that gets 60 mpg and they are working on solving the inherent problem with “heat” the engine generates.

    Windmills will become giant, abandoned eyesores and electric vehicles will go the way of the hulu hoop, and other fads, if they even get off the ground.

    • DaveH

      Yep. And where will all those batteries go with their poisonous metals when they wear out? And how is the electricity produced which charges those batteries? And how do we drive long distances when the batteries must be charged every 200 miles for about 4 hours?

      • JeffH

        …you had to go ask those questions and just spoil the ideas…next thing ya know they’ll be putting signs up in the desert somewhere telling people to stay away from the covered pits full of toxic battery acid and lead contaminates.

        • DaveH

          It’s all about power and mandates. They go from one future-polluting mandate to another in the hopes that enough of their blind followers will not catch on to the game that Big Government Leaders are playing.

      • George E

        Details, details, details. You just need to have faith that our “leaders” won’t steer us wrong…….in your dreams.

    • George E

      gofer,

      Good points.

  • gofer

    This may be a surprise for some, but the U.S. is the #1 manufacturing country in the world and has been for over a hundred years, but are positioned to lose that to China in the coming year. We just don’t build toasters or TVs and such, but we do build heavy equipment and a lot of durable goods. Another surprise, after Nafta, our manufacturing increased.

    Oil is a commodity and it matters not from where it comes. We don’t send billions to our enemies…we get oil in return and if we didn’t buy it, China or India would and they still get their money.

  • gofer

    Obama loaned the Brazil oil company money because George Soros is a major shareholder, (the largest in his portfolio) and Soros, in his own words, said he “bought the Democrat party”. Soros met with Obama in Dec. ’06 and in Jan ’07, Obama announced his intentions to run for President. Strange since Obama had said the previous year that he wasn’t yet qualified to be President. And WHY is he so secretive about his college records and any records pertaining to his past life???

  • bob pa

    ricard pawley i know you are right but i still think we have already crossed the rubicon. with a supreme court and a new justice who will not follow the constitution only her liberal feelings. if the court would demand the birth certificate it would answer some questions. then we can get back to dealing with congresses failure to obey the constitution.

    • DaveH

      Bob,
      So far, only the Liberal Supreme Court Justices have retired with Obama as President. So, it may not be a problem. If a Conservative Justice retires or dies while Obama is President, then we may indeed have a serious problem.

  • gofer

    Denmarks WIND POWER is way overblown. About 19% of their electricity is produced by 5500 wind turbines, but the problem is the value of electicity also comes from WHEN it’s available. At low usage times, they sell off their juice “below costs” to other countries rather than shutting them down. As a consequence, the Danish people have the highest electric rates of any industrialized nation, an average of about $.38 per kWh compared to $.08 in the United States. Also their coal usage increased.

    Scotland is paying windfarms to shut down because they could disrupt the grid at certain times. Windfarms are a nightmare to a plant operator and only serve to pacify enviromentalists and make owners a ton of public money from public subsidies, which is the only way they can operate.

    Windmills are a joke and the Danes will tell you so and they have told the U.S. that it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.

    Average per megawatt for gas 0.44 cents
    Average ” ” for coal 0.25 cents

    Average for solar $25.00
    Average for wind $24.00

    “Electric cars are the future” NY Times 1927
    “Electric car prices falling…” NY Times 1959

    This is also about the 3rd or 4th time we have gotten on the ethanol kick. It’s like a disease which comes around at times.

  • http://gmail i41

    I see edyee, the dumbone, from the sewer, is still as stupid and uninformed as ever. The last refinery was permitted in 1978, the eviormental s–t brains and tree huggers, thought they founfd a rare mouse under a peice of plyboard at the site in AZ.It was only an illegals minature democrat with kin, Chucky Cheese Waxman. After years of wasting taxpayers money and causing prices to climb, and busineess to waste money, it turned out the damn mouse/rat lives in an area from Canada to into Mexico. Billions have been spent on law suits, injuctions and just plain b–l s–t legal screwing around cases with dumb illegimate organisms like Onumnut presenting them. We know eddyee is a do nothing constructin life form, since rez rats never do much but be fast runners so they can catch their aunties/half sisters. If windmills were such a great plan put them on rezs since the ground sure as hell isn’t being used, and the blades are too high to string their sorry rears up in the air. In early 90′s Whore Hound Clinton created another park out in Utah, that has huge amounts of coal reserves, infact China was going to buy from the USA. But with an executive order another park that most citizens will never see or care to. Clinton also created the USA not getting taxes to pay the freight on the damn socialist programs. Now Odumbazz is still out of his “professorship”, an other case of lots of book reading, but needs to be lead to a golf course, since more schooling,the more stupid they become. Just look at the overeducated elietist pus guts, Onumnut is assembling. I really enjoy when the Sarah Palin doll holders, when they get out of their saftey zones, on facts and reality. Onumnut and all of his worthless regulatory dip sticks, are to blame for Omoron’s oil spill. The wonks approved less hardened steel pipes for BP, so it is Onumnuts problem, he is the head rat with his thugs, that are supposed to be approving and keeping a reason for their 7 figure salary, on operations all over. Now with the Colordian pee brain form another department, just what this country need mor government leeches and parasetic legal organisms. Near Sioux Falls SD there is a plan to put in a refinery, but with state, federal, county, and just plain dip s–ts creating problems in another 25 years they may be able to start building. Of course the socialists will be running things and enviormental issues will be ignored, ckeck out Russia great screw ups on the envioment!

  • mlhtmilldr

    The lack of response to the oil leak is a set up for Cap and Trade. Cap and trade Who is set to profit from from it? Chicago Climate Exchange a company that was started with Obama’s help in 2000. As a senator and now as president cap and trade as been on the agenda. Chicago Climate Exchange is set to make trillions of dollars for Obama and his friends with the passage of cap and trade. It’s projected to add $200.00 minimum per month to your energy bills heating, cooling, and electricity. Everything that you purchase that is shipped will go up in price because the cost of fuel is going to go up. Another $200.00 a month The more energy you use the higher your cost will go.That’s $5,000,00 a year. You will have to sit in your house with the lights off and the heat turned down just so you might survive. BP also has a huge investment in the Chicago Climate Exchange and are set to make more money than they lost with this leak.

  • bob pa

    old dog i want you to know that when the rods in a nuclear plant are depleated that they are reprossed and a minute amount or ore is left over. the remaining uranium is combined with either other reprossed rods and reused to generate more eletricity. and the uranium is all over the world. you breath uranium as well as absorb it through your skin. check with Dr bill wattenburg of cal berkley. he is the one who clued me on the situation. he was a proffesor at age 12 and is a genious. you can listen to him on kgo sanfrancisco 810 on the radio dial at 10pm to 1 am saturday and sunday nights. call him up. the experience of truth might shock you but you need it. he still works at lawrence livermore labratories at berkley calif. and by putting what small amounts of the residual radioactive is very small and can be stored for an indefinate amount of time without danger.

  • 45caliber

    If the President had accepted the aid of foreign engineers to stop this leak, it wouldn’t have been a crisis. And how can the “progressives” get their legislation through Congress if it isn’t a crisis?

  • mehoward

    I say the answer to this and all problems is to IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!mehpensacola,fo.

  • chuck b

    Lapses Found in Oversight of Failsafe Device on Oil Rig

  • animal

    hindsight has all ways been 20/20 . they should never have elected him

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