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No Apology Necessary

September 15, 2012 by  



 
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Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Michael J.

    Hey Ben,
    Though it is disturbing that the Prophet Mohammad married six year old Aisha and then consumated the relationship when she was nine years old, the most disturbing issue is that Pedophilia is permitted by Islam. In fact, Pedophilia reportedly provided the highly acclaimed and worshipped Prophet with the inspiration to convert to Islam and change his name to “Mohammad”. As a condition of marriage the Prophet agreed not to penetrate her vaginally until the ripe old age of nine years, the Prophet agreed as long as he was able to sodomize her until that time.

    I appologize for the graphic detail, but feel it necessary to reveal the vulgar brutality condoned by Allah and still practiced today by multitudes of Muslims, and quietly endorsed by the current regime that infests the highest levels of government.

    This base of barbarism is what Islamic faith is built upon and helps to understand contemporary acts of violence in the Mideast.

    Also, this low brow mentality currently on display has become an easily steerable source of protesting that unseen manipulators have long sought after, a community organizers wetdream.

    • http://none Floyd Hardee

      Oh mercy me you going to get us all killed insulting those perverts like this. Why you know they are as pure as the driven snow and would not dare think of cutting your head off and dragging your body around in the street. Those sweet, sweet, innocent Muslims who have been burning, pillaging, and plundering, raping and killing every since they started their cult of lies so long, long ago.

      Did I leave anything out?If I did please feel free to add to the list. We do want them to have credit for all the good stuff that they do…don’t we?

      • Knock Knock

        You forgot all the damage done to the Animal Kingdom! The Goats ,Sheep and Talking Jackass!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jim.d.rowe Jim R Presley

        Time for the B-52′s and Napalm!

    • Mikey

      Do any of you actually know any Muslims? Are you actually going to judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few? Yes, there are lots of violent Muslims. But, there were also violent people of other religions as well. How about Hitler, he was supposedly a Christian, look how many were killed and tortured by him.
      Pedophiles are very good at bending their faith to fit their perversion, look at the Catholic priests that have been molesting kids for years (one of the reasons I no longer practice that particular religion). People of all races, countries and creeds can be incredibly evil. Like a Muslim friend of mine says when these topics come up, “Every home has a toilet”.
      Before you stereotype, I suggest you get to know the people you have tried and convicted. The Muslims I know are hard working, honest, giving people. Oddly enough, they are politically conservative as well.
      “Judge not, lest ye be judged”

      • James

        Actually, I do know a lot of muslims. I was stationed with TONS of them out in afghanistan.

        While they want something from you they will be nice people, who casually talk and laugh about beating their wives if they spill water back in their home and I was less than twenty feet from a screaming, howling mob who marched on the palace in kabul, demanding and yelling for the head of an afghan man who converted to being Catholic while he was in Britain and DARED to denounce islam…

        Great people there…

      • Mikey

        I am speaking about those that live here in America. Most of them came here to get away from the violent mentality of their home countries. It’s unfortunate that your only encounters were with those from the “toilet” of the home.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        And like a typical Leftist you had to throw in a bastardized Bible verse.

      • Kate8

        Mikey – As Musims migrate around the world, they are under obligation to befriend the infidels until they are sufficient in number to overtake them.

        Over history, people have repeatedly fallen for this tactic, welcoming them into their countries even though they always remain separate from the host society. As they increase, they become incrementally more hostile, until there is enough of them to begin the slaughter.

        It is still the same today. Christian Lebanon welcomed them, and they gradually went on the rampage, killing all non-Muslims. Now it’s Islamic. This is repeated over and over.

        Just look at what’s going on in Europe. It’s the real reason the Crusades were fought, and now Europe is under Islamic invasion again. They keep warning America, but we have clueless, PC progressives who refuse to look at reality. As usual.

        BTW, just how do you think the intire Middle East became Muslim? It wasn’t always. They used to have very large Jewish and Christian populations.

      • Gordon

        So Mikey, are we suppose to tolerate their kind so that people will tolerate OUR chosen lifestyle?

      • Gordon

        AMEN JAMES. Amen.

      • Gordon

        Unfortunately MOST of the people alive today will live to witness the muslim jihad in the continental USA.

      • Curt

        Hey, Mikey!!!

        Try this one.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

        So much for your peace loving, hard working American Muslims.

        • Frank

          Thanks for the link, it is video proof that there is only one valid response to the Muslim sh@t attack and that is with a fully armed militia response till their blood flows through all our streets. The parents should be strung up and nutered and the children burned till dead. The police in the video should also be tortured and killed in public demonstration of how we handle stupid satanic followers. This is not hate speak it is the only thing they understand. The f$$$$$$ kids were telling christians they are not wanted in Dearborn. Well they can go to where the true God has prepared a place for the followers of the great deceiver Allah.

          The citizens being attacked had not only the legal right but the moral responsibility to strike back.

      • The Old Fart

        If there were any “good Muslims” out there they would actively be hunting down and eliminating all the Islamic animals in their midst. In my world that is the only possible thing they could do to make me believe that there may be a few worth saving. Short of them cleaning their own house and making the world a safer place I would happily see them all buried in the same pit covered with pig blood and entrails. Damn them all to whatever their greatest fear is.

      • Mikey

        First of all, for the record, I am not a leftist. I am registered as a Libertarian, and am a strong supporter of Ron Paul. I just have a hard time with people passing judgement on others they know nothing about. They rely on information about only the worst in a group. Don’t you think this is what perpetuates religious wars? Once upon a time, Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in harmony in the Medditeranian, it would be nice if we could go back to that. Ron Paul is right in his view that we need to get out of the middle east. We’ve been meddling in their affairs so much, no wonder they hate us.

        • James

          Jews, Christians, and muslims NEVER lived in harmony in the med.

          Jews and Christians were allowed to live with muslims as a dhimmi, a second-class citizen in muslim lands after they converted the area with their swords. They had to pay the jizyah tax. An I’m not muslim, please don’t kill me because I give you free stuff tax.

          They had no rights against a muslim in any way. That muslim raped and murdered your daughter, sister, or wife? Hey it sucks to not be muslim, huh?

          You have three choices under islam. Convert, be a dhimmi, or die.

          Guess allah left out the fourth choice, fight.

      • Mikey

        And Kate8, I really hope you’re wrong. I’d hate to think my friends are only using me to overthrow the world. I take friendship pretty seriously, and I believe you are wrong. So I ask again, how many of you actually know any Muslims?

      • Michael J.

        Mikey,
        Yes I do know some Muslims, My town and all others I have visited on the eastern coast of America is/are loaded with beer stores and cheap motels. All of which are operated by, and increasingly owned by Muslims. Though their religion forbids the use of tobacco, alcohol and drugs, they willfully sell them to the lost souls of our society in exchange for profit to purchase AK47′s and RPG”s for their jihadist cousins in The Muslim Brotherhood and it’s affiliates.

        Meanwhile, the Muslim men operating these businesses in our country dress as westerners indulging fully in everything our culture offers, but their wives remain cloaked in burkas and held to the strickest retraints of Sharia law.

        BTW, there are plenty of hard working criminals who don’t possess an ounce of morality, decency or American Pride. Where do you fit in?

      • Mikey

        Curt,
        I watched the video you linked, very scary. I hope this is not a sign of things to come. The cops suck there, clearly the Christians should have been better protected. The text in the video was right, the parents should have reined in their juvenile delinquent punks. However, I am still not convinced this is a representation of all Muslims. (I know you’re asking, “how much proof do you need?”) I guess I always want to give people the benefit of the doubt.
        I have to ask, why were the Christians there in the first place? Didn’t they know they would meet with opposition? Were they attempting to be martyrs for their cause? Perhaps these are the results they wanted.

      • Paul Edwards

        Mike if you think that Hitler was a Christian then you need to take another look at the historical documents about the rise of the Third Rite and Hitler. He may have been raised a Christian but he began his rise to power on forms of paganism. I just got through watching the The Military Channel show Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy about him and his inner circle. According to what they showed they were greatly influenced by the occult. The writings and documents show that they believed that the Arran race was direct descendants of the gods and that they lost their way when they muddy their blood line by mating with inferior races. They believed themselves decentant of Atlantis and of the Norse gods, Odin and Thor. That is diffentaly not Christianity. Like you I mistakenly thought that Hitler was a Christian monster until I watched this documentary and did some light research. That just goes to show you more of our failed education system. If you get a chance I suggest that you watch that show it was both informative and fascinating.

      • Mikey

        Yes Paul, I’ve caught bits of it on occasion. Hopefully when it airs again, I can see the whole thing.

      • Toy

        The decent, moderate Muslims, are the sea in which the violent ones swim!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mikey, you can be registered as anything you want but you are still a Leftist and not a Libertarian as you claim.You qualify too many comments to be believed.

      • eddie47d

        Nadzieja is one of those Mikey is talking about. Continually “passing judgement on others without knowing them”. Being Sunday I’ll refrain from telling Nadzieja what I really think of her attitude. Peace be with her at least today.

      • http://www.facebook.com/williamsanderssr William Sanders

        Mikey, none of us think ALL muslims are bad people. None of us think that ALL terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims. But only a naive fool would ignor the fact that over 95% of ALL terrorist attacks ARE committed by Muslims. It’s a daunting task for those of us who recognize the danger to defend ourselves and our families. It’s doubly tiresome when we also have to defend people like you, who are too blind to see real danger when it slaps you in he face.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well Mikey, I can agree with some parts of what you have posted. Across the street from us live Nor and her husband Rashid. They are muslim and immigrated here from India. Then there are our friends about 2 blocks away Samis and Mohammed Abib from Pakistan. They are good people and have not shown any bad tendencies towards anyone. But the point you are missing is that the ones doing the bombings, killing innocent civilians, launching missiles into Israel, and killing our soldiers are all muslim. Either born into the faith or they have converted to islam. The ones that killed our soldiers, blew up recruiting offices, and other acts against our country, military, and government were converts to islam. Just remember this when dealing with someone of their faith, no matter who they are.

        “For a Muslim to keep his word to an Infidel at the expense of opportunities to expand Islamic power is the Islamic equivalent of a mortal sin.”

        Benjamin Franklin

        I understand what you are say and went through James. I went to Afghanistan and also to Iraq. Some of them, not all, can be pretty volatile when dealing with their cultic beliefs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • nnicko

        Hey mikey……you and all like you have personal invite to check those muzzies out in their homeland….I’d rather Hillary & obozo send you pacifists to the mid-east rather than marines with no live ammo. In fact you can get a taste of islam right here in the USA, dearborn first…..they require you bring your own carpet-lickin rug.

    • Michael Hennessy

      Come on everyone, this is the crazy talk of the mis-informed and the ignorant. Yes you can find examples of all of these things in the Muslim world. You can find crazy people anywhere in the world. We have wife beaters, satan worshipers, cool-aid drinking christian extremist’s. polygamist’s polyamorist’s drug dealers, pedophiles and yep even beastiality right here in USA. Oh yeah, you know there’s LOTS more … And guess what some of these people are actually christians. Or at least they claim to be. When their press puts it out to the media the story will have a “Christian” label on it. And We put the “Muslim” label on ours… So try (please) if you can to put yourself in the other guys shoes. The kind of hate talk that is going on here is also going on there. Yep
      point at the other guy and blame him…he looks different!!!! and he does not believe in the same things as I do!!! It must be his fault! HE IS WRONG. Shoot him he is a bad man! Bang bang .. So both sides fire real bullets and drop bombs and anything they have… we have missiles, they just take a jet liner… Hey all its all fair in love and war …right?

      Wrong! its NOT all fair in love or in war. Many people point at religion and blame the Muslims and in reply, they blame the christians or the sub group of choice ..fill in blank here _____ But wait I hear you say, the Quran (Koran) says to kill the non believers! Thats the problem… Right?

      How many know that the Christian Bible has scriptures that advocate the non believers should be killed! Yep go on, look it up. Here is a short cut to a quick search I just did. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_verses_in_the_Bible_advocate_killing_non_believers. You can be sure that the other guys know that THEY are suposed to be killed for not believing what the other believes in.

      OK you say we (Christians) have the New Testament and that means we can choose to forget about that old God who said that the non believer must die. We being so much smarter than “them” and more ” evolved” are better than them, so we know God doesn’t really mean that any more… Well most of us do, we get the occasional extremist who kills for blood atonement or other religious based reason. After all our God said that we must kill the non believers so we must kill them…And they must kill us… Great God or Allah Almighty! Get some ammo! lets keep shooting… Oh my! dont look now but we look a lot like them.

      Wow how crazy is all this? We are all mad. Ok fellow humans this shooting thing is not working out so good. YES are all human every one. There is no “They” as humans there is only “Us” in the end Not all of us want to kill each other. Not all Muslims not all Christians not all Jews not all Atheists not all Humans. We can all accept differences. We can learn to understand other cultures and accept that they can learn to understand us too. We can all take responsibility for what we do. Yes America we do have a right to free speech. Yes America “we” also know that using our right to free speech can have consequences. Those that choose to use that right maliciously should be held responsible. Yelling Fire in crowded theater and causing a stampede that resulted in death in the USA would most likely and rightfully result in a manslaughter case. If your loved family member was killed you would demand it! We must take responsibility for our actions.

      PLEASE NOTE THIS: I do NOT condone violent action in any case and those persons who are responsible must also answer for their actions.

      Please, Please Fellow Humans lets stop the Madness. It can start right here. Get real information, get the facts, don’t spread the hate! Its not good for any of us! We can make a difference, it will require truth and most of all real human compassion based on understanding and embracing the differences that make all of us unique.

      Signed respectfully.
      Human

      • Mikey

        Good luck with that Michael, there’s still far too much hate in the world.

      • James

        The ~problem is that muslims actually BELIEVE the crap that their quran tells them to do with all their hearts.

        They are raised to believe it.

        Their iman tells them to believe it.

        Their fellow jihadists tell them to believe it.

        They go far in believing it that they have little school girls burn to death in a fire they set on the girls’ school who dared to try and teach anything to the females there and kept them in the building because they are not wearing their burqa while trying to flee.

      • Michael Hennessy

        Yes They do believe in their religion as do others believe in their own. Christians have burned witches at the stake, are responsible for the crusades,more recently two catholic priests were sentenced to death for their roles in the genocide in Rwanda. I am not saying this to point at one side over the other. Again ALL sides are guilty of the crimes of hate and intolerance.

        • James

          The Crusades were a response of DEFENDING ourselves as the muslims happily spread isalm across north Africa, through Spain and our from their little black rock piece of coal through what used to be the Persian empire and knocking on the gates of Constantinople with their swords hacking heads from all the infidel.

          REALLY learn history instead of spouting out junk from your public school teaching where Christianity is the root of the world’s problem and we just need to embrace those nice muslim boys.

          Ever wonder why Constantinople had to change it’s name to Istanbul? There wasn’t a vote on it…

      • Vicki

        Michael Hennessy says:
        “Christians have burned witches at the stake,”

        You really should follow advice and get an actual education. People who might or might not have claimed to be Christians burned people. Usually under the color of authority I.E. tyrannical government.

        Michael Hennessy: “..more recently two catholic priests were sentenced to death for their roles in the genocide in Rwanda.”

        And there is some reason we should believe the foreign (kangaroo) court

        Michael Hennessy: ” I am not saying this to point at one side over the other. Again ALL sides are guilty of the crimes of hate and intolerance.”

        The people who COMMIT the crimes of physical violence are the only ones guilty of any crimes. Hate and intolerance are emotions not actions and thus can not be crimes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/williamsanderssr William Sanders

        I hate to tell you, but we have all sorts of videos, music, and media that I find really offensive. I won’t watch Gay porn but I won’t go out and find a gay person to kill because it exists. I don’t like rap music but won’t drive around looking for a young black youth to kill over it. I don’t particularly relish the thought that my teen daughter may have sex with a young man of another nationality but I sure wouldn’t kill her over it, and if she was raped, I sure as hell wouldn’t shun her for life because she didn’t have three more witnesses to confirm the act. Obama’s spiking the ball over killing bin Laden had much more to do with this Middle East violence than any third rate video. Your opinions are very comforting – to our enemies.

      • cawmun cents

        Is this the same kind of HUMAN that will damn Christianity for the Inqusition?
        Or tell us how we brutalized the entire continent of what is now called North America in order to push our religion?
        They will put us all to the guilt and shame of such horrendous things in the name of what they term “christianity.”
        Yet dont you dare say that all Muslims are to blame for 9/11!
        That is wrong!
        Notice the double standard they have to push at every opportunity.
        These same secular humanists that claim Christianity is the bringer of all these terrible things which happened in the world,and yet as they blame us all…every Jesus lovin’ one of us,for the things which we have done in the name of our God,dont you dare apply those same standards to anyone else!
        Nope.
        That is very wrong to say that all Muslims have done is to cause unrest and set the clock back to the seventh century everywhere they go….just wrong.
        But its perfectly allright to do that to Christians!
        Yep…they can stomp us (christians) into the mud at every opportunity…but damn us all if the shoe goes to someone elses’ foot!
        They use those very same standards at every opportunity,and glorify doing it as if it were a badge of greatness.
        But do they know what they are storing up fro themselves for doing that?
        Jesus said,

        John 15:18-27…18″When the world hates you,remember that it hated me before it hated you.”19″The world would love you if you belonged to it,but you dont.I chose you to come out of the world,and so it hates you.”20″Do you remember what I told you?A servant is not greater than the master.Since they persecuted me,naturally they will persecute you.And if they listened to me they would listen to you!”21″The people of the world hate you because you belong to me,for they dont know God who sent me.”22″They would not be guilty if I had not come and spoken to them.But now they have no excuse for their sin.”23″Anyone who hates me hates my Father too.”24″If I hadnt done such miraculous signs among them,that no one else could do,then they wouldnt be counted guilty.But as it is,they saw all that I did,and yet hated both of us–me and my Father.”25″This has fulfilled what the Scriptures said:’They hated me without cause’*”
        26″But I will send you the Councelor*–the Spirit of truth.He will come to you from the Father and wiill tell you all about me.”27″And you must tell others about me because you have been with me from the beginning.”-NLT-

        So make no mistake…we as Christians know why you hate us….but we try to live among you and love you despite the fact that you hate us.
        But I doubt you will curry that kind of favor from the Muslims.
        I dont say that it will not happen…just that I doubt it.
        So you can have the Muslims,and even accept that they want to replace your laws with theirs.But they wont do it by going to court,or complaining to the press.
        They will bomb you and kill you at every opportunity.
        Because dear friends….they do that….even to each other.
        How much less will they treat with respect,those who dont believe in God at all.
        -CC.

      • nnicko

        Nicely put Michael….first things first…..obummer and his administration of anti-constitutionalists have got to go.

      • http://naver samurai

        Mike, you are full of crap! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Michael J.

    Also worth mentioning is that Terry Jones’s video, mostly unseen and un-heard of in the west, covered the Mideast like wallpaper to do to our nations First Ammendment what “Operation Fast-N-Furious” intended to do to our Second Ammendment.

    Let it be known that underlying the events in Cairo and Benghazi, the first volley in the attack of our freedom of speech has been fired.

    • James

      Michael:
      You failed to mention the parts of islamic society that allows for beastiality as long as you don’t eat the goats, sheep or donkeys after they’ve …..uh….. consumated the marriage. Or the necro laws passed in Egypt which allows a husband to spend just one more night with his wife’s corpse. Not Kidding!

      • dan

        …everybody forgets what a living hell it is for their diminihi SLAVES….
        the sheep and goats get off easy

      • Warrior

        There’s about a 100 mil “donkeys” right here that belong over there with their “brothers in arms”.

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    OBAMA HAS CHANGED HIS CAMPAIGN SLOGAN TO “backwards”…..

    • Sirian

      Uh, Robert, didn’t you mean “SDRAWKCAB”. . . LOL!!!

      • http://mozilla robert e. lee

        good one mate,

    • http://alsina846.wordpress.com God Bless America

      if he is re-elected it be will for us, Backwards! I can not understand why would anyone would vote for this man. Our country is being destroy from with in. This man is not my president, I didn’t vote for him, his name alone sounded fishy to me. Comming this election I will vote against him. He is a enemy of America! he is more for the side of these savage Pedophilias muslims and I am tired of hearing him apologize to these savages that hate us and I am tired of our taxpayers dollars billions being given to these muslims, while Americans here at home 23 million are out of work 46 millioin on foodstamps and can’t feed their famlies. This should stop right now! enough is enough,

      We must united and get to the polls and vote this man out!!!! by a landslide, I know that the votes are being counted out in Spain, but we have to tried anyway. We can not sit and do nothing while this idiot president destroy our country. This is the most important election that this country ever had, it is up to us and save our country congress is doing nothing, they are useless, anything right now is better than this, I thought bush was bad but this obama loser is worst. Please people vote this Nov 6 and lets fight for our country before it is too late.

      • Karolyn

        Our country is being destroyed more by people like Ben Crystal who just love to keep the divide growing and by the people who love the divide!

      • mark

        “I can not understand why would anyone would vote for this man.” Let me explain why they will and why he will win. Because for all his faults, President Obama is better than that absolute crook and phony – Willard Romney. That’s why.

      • dan

        they’ve had since 650AD to get it right and conquer the world…but civilized cultures reject their claptrap. Get a clue Karolyn,or get a burka and get ready to submit

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So, mark, by your admission you are saying O is worthless to be reelected.

      • James

        So a neighborhood is being destroyed more by people complaining about that nice MS-13 gang bangers raping girls, shooting up stores while robbing them, or spraying the neighborhood with random gunfire in gang-fights than the MS-13 gang members who are raping girls, shooting up stores while robbing them, or spraying the neighborhood with random gunfire in gang-fights???

        Gods, there are WAY too many clueless people back home… = [

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, I really thought I’d never stoop this low by saying something like this to you…but you are now officially a M-O-R-O-N…and no, I’m not sorry and I’m not going to apologise to you or to any Muslim that might be offended.

        I’m just tired of being offended by ignorant people.

      • Kate8

        Amen, JeffH.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “Our country is being destroyed more by people like Ben Crystal who just love to keep the divide growing and by the people who love the divide!”

        Whereas Karolyn is the paragon of virtue when she steals your money at gunpoint to pay for her to be her brothers keeper. I think I will take Ben’s world. At least they allow people the choice of being divided or not.

      • eddie47d

        Listen to gullible Vickie!

      • Kate8

        Ha ha. If there is someone here I would call NOT gullible, it would be Vicki.

        On the other hand, Karolyn and eddie. The two biggest dingbats on this site.

      • nc

        Hey God Bless, I didn’t vote for bush either time but I suffered the effects of his total incompetency! Until you conservatives man up to what the bush administration did to this country from 2001 through 2008 you have no right to complain about we have under Obama! Jobs were being lost by the millions, home by the thousands and life savings melting away for months and months BEFORE Obama took office! You can drink the Faux Noise koolaid and spin it be fault of the Democrats in Congress but in your gut you know better! You just don’t have the SEEDS TO MAN UP! ( ASSUMING YOU ARE A MAN!)
        You may not see the bush connection to our problems but the independents and Democrats saw it for you in 2008!
        The 69 million who voted for Obama must be shown a reason to change their vote and MITTENS seems to be having a difficult time making them see as that reason! If he has been both sides of every isue since the campaign began! Even one of his fellow Republican candidates said he was the worst Republican in the country! That was in addition to the fellow candidate who called him a liar!! Man up to the truth!! You will feel a whole lot better about yourself!!

      • sam1966

        SSDD, eh nc (no cajones)? My family did a whole heck of a lot better under Bush than uder the currect community organizer of the United States. If yours is the opposite, I would hesitate to ask I he was paying your bills? Karoyln, it is true that this nation is divided on abortion, religion, race, politics, and many other things. If you can’t see that Obama bin Laden is polarizing this country, then you need a stronger perscription for your glasses.

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/7028/president-supports-islam-but-has-repeatedly-trashed-christianity/

        You 2 need to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • old hillbilly

      try — “upchuckwards”

    • Warrior

      Anyone see the pics of the “safehouse”? Looks like the nicest house in the neighborhood. Probably not to hard to find an ambassador. If there is a “next time”, try a mud hut geniuses.

    • Trish

      Pretty much everything is the opposite of what BO says. Must be code. Video is rather hilarious. BTW Osama got his last bride at 15 years of age as a gift from a friend. Oh how we need a complete person to lead USA. Mentioning the video at all by any leader is a joke.

  • Curt B

    I’m speculating ,Larry Sinclair, Understands the backwards Slogan.

  • Winddrinker

    RETROS (so-call progressives) want to take us back to the feudal state where government owns everything and there are no free men…

    BTW, do they marry little boys as well as little girls. Young boys seem to be “hot commodities.” I would say that the behavior of the prophet is being followed with great gusto.

    • eddie47d

      Yes the Muslim religion can be creepy and violent. The Koran sends mixed signals just like our Bible does at least in the Old Testament. Revenge and killings happen and some passages are not down played and whole cities are wiped out. Is our God more a savage than the Muslim God? Makes you wonder if any gods are necessary if they are only used as a chess piece to grow peoples false kingdoms. The Muslims behead believers and non believers alike in the name of their God. The Christians torture and mutilate bodies into submission and if that didn’t work death was eminent. Considering all the child pornography circulating the Internet (in the name of free speech of coarse) I don’t think our nation or Christian religion can gloat about being pure of heart or that pedophilia isn’t a problem here. I do believe the Christian Faith is by far the better over the Muslim Faith but stop being so arrogant because some of you look rather foolish considering both histories.

      • James

        Yeah, those ‘Witness’ people sure are violent when you don’t want to talk with them on the street aren’t they? And those nuns at the St, Lucifer’s boarding school like to keep torturing their little lost children, don’t they?

        What a gimp, how about moving on to the year 2012???

      • Cindy

        eddie47d, nicely done! But these people won’t even acknowledge the Crusades or how many of the wars were started by us Christians. Our biggest problem is that Christians are not acting like Christians should. The word respect is foreign to them. They can’t even admit that Jesus wasn’t white. They seem to think that he was white like the Europeans, the fact that he was dark skinned just sends them into a tissy. It will be pretty funny when we get to heaven and a dark face is shinning back at us.

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d,
        Using practices abolished centuries ago by the Christians to justify Muslim barbarity happening in the here and now is laughable.

        The Quran is a terror document, a Murder Bible.

      • Vicki

        Cindy writes:
        “But these people won’t even acknowledge the Crusades”

        But we have. Read above. Or read this.
        http://www.slideshare.net/MrLudwin/causes-of-the-crusades

        Cindy: “…or how many of the wars were started by us Christians.”

        Name one.

        Cindy: ” Our biggest problem is that Christians are not acting like Christians should. ”

        That would be people CLAIMING to be Christians not acting like Christians should. “

      • eddie47d

        Michael is as gullible as Vickie. We (USA) has used many methods of extracting information form those who we think are enemies. The American Family Association advocates for the killing of gays. Pat Robertson endorses the killing of Muslims. We may be better but by how much?

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Michael is as gullible as Vickie.”

        Quite probably true but not in the way eddie47d wants the reader to think :)

        eddie47d: “We (USA) has used many methods of extracting information form those who we think are enemies.”

        People doing evil in our name does not make us guilty. Wasn’t Cindy just talking about that?

        eddie47d: “The American Family Association advocates for the killing of gays. Pat Robertson endorses the killing of Muslims.

        Evidence dear. Your credibility has not improved.

        eddie47d: “We may be better but by how much?”

        We let you have free speech rather than burning you alive or cutting off your head? That seems a significant improvement. Though I bet I could find some that disagree.

      • sam1966

        Care to cite any sources on this Cindy? Since he was born of 2 people from what is now Israel, he would not be dark skinned. His parents did not come from south of the Sahara. You say wars were started by Christians? Which ones? WW1? Nope. WW2? Nope. Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Wars with Israel? Cultural Revolutions? Crusades? None of these were started by Christians, but I’m sure that there were Christians living in these countries at those times. You also say about how Christians aren’t acting as they should? I would agree that there are those who don’t, but they are classified as being CINOs and not real Christians. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Warrior

      Now everyone is getting the idea of how living under “progressive rule” is. Pretty “F’d up wouldn’t you say?

      Vote these clowns out now.

      • eddie47d

        So do you approve of the violence that has reared its ugly head because of the acts of extremist Christian film makers. (Klein,Abdelmasih,and Nakoula) Should all Christians be condemned because of the acts of a few or will you even admit who started these events now occurring. When Mel Gibson directed the movie The Passion of Christ where Jesus was mocked and condemned to death weren’t you angry at the Romans and the Sanhedrin’s who allowed it to happen. Didn’t you feel Jesus’s pain and suffering.? In this anti-Muslim movie those Christians mock and tarnish the image of Mohammad and the ones offended reacted with anger. Some of you will say we didn’t react to violence after watching The Passion of Christ. Why would you because THOSE Romans don’t exist anymore but if you were there as Christians would you have felt compelled to save Christ or kill a Roman soldier to save him? Is it anymore correct to mock Mohammad as the Priests did to Jesus. Jesus’s death actually accelerated Christianity just like that anti-Muslim movie accelerated the Muslim faith into action.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        ” …because of the acts of extremist Christian film makers.”

        According to reports from several sources including MSNBC the film makers were quite likely working for the US when they made the film.

      • James

        How many Jews were up in arms, murdering millions due to The Passion?

        How many Christians went on a rampage, killing thousands on their way out of the movie theater??

        Really, you liberals are STUPID!!

      • Kate8

        eddie – So, what you are saying is that we should view Muslims as a mindless nest of hornets and tiptoe around lest we stir them up somehow as they can’t be held responsible for their actions when they are “offended”.

        IOW, we must be careful not to tell the truth, because Muslims don’t respect free speech.

        I’m offended by the slaughter of Christians, the mutulation and abuse of little girls, and everything to do with Sharia. But I guess we are all supposed to remain silent while these animals gain increasing control, lest we make them mad and they terrorize us.

        Sheesh. I say, if they want to live like this, keep it in their own countries and leave us alone.

      • JeffH

        eddie sure doesn’t confuse anyone by sending his mixed signals…stupid is as stupid does…You just can’t fix stupid!

      • eddie47d

        Kate 8 should be more concerned about American ped0philes instead of looking for trouble elsewhere. Look there is one now opps it’s only Jeff H. Kate of coarse is never offended by the slaughter of Muslims. Ask Jeff he’ll tell you it’s like shooting immigrants crossing the border. What’s a little death right Jeff the wanna a be war hero. I’m offended by the slaughter of anyone no matter who the perpetrator is.

      • Kate8

        eddie – I am offended by senseless death everywhere.

        Muslims have been brainwashed into believing that they must kill all non-muslims. Americans are brainwashed into believing that they must go to Muslim countries to fight for “freedom” that they don’t want.

        We are all manipulated into our opinions by events set up by the elite. I am quite sure that the elite are behind the current uprisings in Muslim countries, including the death of the Ambassador. This is just another false flag to rile everyone into more war.

        America (at the command of the elite) invited Muslims into our country, fully aware of what would ensue. They well knew that Muslims were mandated by their religion to conquer everywhere, and conflict was the name of the game. They wanted an American population which had been divided along every possible line, weakened and powerless against their plan to divide and conquer. And so, here we are, forced into fighting senselessly for our lives.

        I’d love to be able to live in peace. But for this to happen, we need to throw all bankers and politicians out of our country, and make it known that anyone who is not willing to be a full-fledged American is out the door. No more hyphenated Americans. Period.

      • Mikey

        Well put Kate8.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, Hear Hear! I’ve reached a point where I refuse to be manipulated by our government and the media. I don’t trust any of the “bass-terds” and I don’t believe a word they say. Unfortunately there are many more who do than don’t

        ***eddie, you just make anything up don’t you…your lies and slander seem to fits your slanted perceptions but that doesn’t make it true. I can prove you’re a liar, ignorant, slanderous and stupid…that’s easy…but you could never prove your allegations…ever! Fiddle-de-dee, fiddle-de-dumb!

      • Kate8

        JeffH – I tried to wish you b’day greetings last week, but couldn’t catch up with you. Hope it was a good one.

        I’m a Virgo, too. Great minds think alike, huh? LOL.

        I know what you mean. Nothing we’ve ever learned is true. Nothing we hear is true. Or it’s impossible to really tell if it’s true.

        When we hear so many versions of every darned thing, we just throw up our hands and forget the whole thing.

        That is the whole idea.

      • JeffH

        Thank you Kate8! :) …and Happy B-day to you too!

        Go back to something Jeremiah Wright said…”the chickens have come home to roost”. The US PTB have been manipulating regimes and revolutions around the world for a lot longer than I’ve been breathing air and one thing I don’t blame the indidel haters for is hating the US. Forget that they’re Muslims, we, the US, have been screwing with them for so long and I don’t blame them for hating us. What goes around, comes around. The Muslim Brotherhood used the US to further their needs, their goals to expand their powerbase throughout the middle east and N Africa. I hope Obama is happy…democracy mt arse! It’s not a matter of biting the hand that feeds them, it’s a matter of enough is enough. No matter how illiterate or ignorant we believe they may be…get the heck out of my country, quit messing with us and leave us alone to fight with each other.

        The terrorists have beat the US to a pulp…just look at the state of affairs right here in the US. The terrorists are laughing at us and the incremental loss of liberty to US citizens…Patriot Act, NDAA, Homeland Security Act etc.,etc.

        John Adams to Abigail Adams – July 7, 1775

        Your Description of the Distresses of the worthy Inhabitants of Boston, and the other Sea Port Towns, is enough to melt an Heart of Stone. Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.
        “…Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it…”

        FYI, I don’t know if you’ve been to this website before…
        http://kassandraproject.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/the-incremental-loss-of-liberty/

        The Kassandra Project: freedom against disinformation
        I doubt, I think therefore I am. But I am what I think. But could it be a better world?

        The Incremental Loss of Liberty

        Should we be concerned about the wide-spread abuse of civil liberties and privacy in the post-9/11 era? Let us see what the experts think.

        “Fusion centers have grown, really, off the radar screen of public accountability,” said Jim Dempsey, vice president for public policy at the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonpartisan watchdog group in the District. “Congress and the state legislatures need to get a handle over what is going on at all these fusion centers.”

        From 2004 to 2007, state and local governments received $254 million from the Department of Homeland Security in support of the centers, which are also supported by employees of the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies. In some cases, they work with the U.S. Northern Command, the Pentagon operation involved in homeland security.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – Thanks for the link. Haven’t seen that one before. I will peruse it later.

        The things is (and few have the courage or the stomach to see it), the ruling elite have perpetrated something on the world that is far more diabolical than we can possibly imagine. Think the worst thing you can, and then take that to the nth power.

        People don’t believe the evil which has, and is, being done to people and to countries. They just refuse to believe it. But exposing it is the only way to stop it, because it is so bad that it requires complete secrecy to be able to flourish. If people knew, if they would muster the guts to look at it squarely, it would have to stop. It would never be tolerated.

        Millions have suffered. Millions still suffer. And it’s wholly unnecessary.

        They laugh at us because we are so easy. We self-censor. We make it easy for them.

        When is enough, enough.

      • JeffH

        Kate8…?hen is enough, enough? I’m not a deeply religious person but…there is one word that comes to mind with that question.

        Armageddon! If there are any doubters, take stock in what has been developing on eath over the centuries and in particular the 20th into the 21st century. Natural and man made disasters!

        According to one premillennial Christian interpretation, the Messiah will return to earth and defeat the Antichrist (the “beast”) and Satan the Devil in the Battle of Armageddon. Then Satan will be put into the “bottomless pit” or abyss for 1,000 years, known as the Millennial Age. After being released from the abyss, Satan will gather Gog and Magog (peoples of two specific nations) from the four corners of the earth. They will encamp surrounding the “holy ones” and the “beloved city” (this refers to Jerusalem). Fire will come down from God, out of heaven and devour Gog and Magog after the Millennium. The Devil, death, hell, and those not found written in the Book of Life are then thrown into Gehenna (the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone).

        People can interpret it any way they want…I believe it for what it is and suspect that evil man is in for a very big surprise…the fires are already burning.

      • JeffH

        darn keyboard

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “So do you approve of the violence that has reared its ugly head because of the acts of extremist Christian film makers.”

        So why again do we allow people like eddie47d to speak his mind?
        Oh, cause we have to defend his RIGHT to speak or make a stupid film.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – People have agonized over the meaning of Revelation for centuries. I have agonized over it, too. It is sometimes called “Apocalypse” (Catholic bible), which means revelation…the revealing of all that has been, heretofore, hidden.

        Also remember that these are things that John (the revelator) saw in a dream. These things coincide with the dream of Nebekednezzer, as interpreted by the prophet Daniel, and also Daniel’s own dreams given him by God.

        Dreams are messages from the unconscious mind, as that is the gateway to the spirit world. The nature of dreams is that they are symbolic messages, and must be decoded. That is why there are so many interpretations of these messages.

        Some of the messages of Daniel and Revelation have been interpreted for us, such as Nebekednezzer’s dream of the statue, and the animals which represent the various nations and ages. Others were left to be understood at the time of the end, and could not be understood until then. We can easily see how this is true.

        These symbols are used in other teachings, too, and are derived from archetypes. Ancient Sumerian mythology is the origin of much of it, and Jewish Kabbalah goes to great depth in decoding these symbols. I have studied these things for many years, and am still getting them in bits at a time.

        Fascinating stuff. I suggest keeping a open mind. Greater understanding is coming every day.

      • eddie47d

        That film was a DELIBERATE act by the makers to inflame the divide. Klein even admitted it. So take your free speech dog and pony show someplace else. You aren’t “allowing me anything” so thanks but no thanks.

      • JeffH

        eddie, my God man, just how much more stupid can you be? Your idiocy is unmatched around here and despite everyones best efforts…you still don’t and never will “get it”! You’re clueless and just say whatever comes to your empty mind…whether it makes no sense or not. You’ll never change your childish ways, but then again it’s understandable…stupid can’t be fixed!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “That film was a DELIBERATE act by the makers to inflame the divide.”

        Checking……. Nope. No exceptions to freedom of speech. Even for speech intended to inflame and divide. Guess we even have to let eddie47d have his way.

        eddie47d: “You aren’t “allowing me anything” so thanks but no thanks.”

        Ah but we are. Several is the time we have come to your defense even on this very board asking that you be allowed to stay and demonstrate to all the illogic of your liberal way.

      • sam1966

        To ed-duh: WWWWWhhhhhaaaaahhhhh! Jeff H is right, you just can’t be fixed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Mike Hennessy

    Are you people really this stupid? What you put up here is completely untrue. As is the satire Video. You do realise that right? Oh I get it all just a joke. In incredibley poor taste, the same kind of crap that pushed a battle weary middle sUS l

    • Sirian

      OK just what point are you trying to drive home here? Or are you simply disgusted with a little humor attached to the recent events? Come on Mike, what’s really ruffled your feathers? Just wondering.

      • Warrior

        I say, get those 50 Marines back here and replace them with 1 billary in a pants suit. Those cowardly muslims wouldn’t be able to handle “that truth”.

      • Cindy

        Happy and Nadzieja, you are missing the point. When you lump all those within a group to a bunch of extremists, of that group, be it Christian or Muslim you are closed minded .
        Good example is the Republicans, not all of them are radical and nuts, just the Tea Party fraction is the fringe element. Do you want use to judge the whole republican population, based on those few nut cases? Every organization will have a fringe who distort and try to highjack the group for their own benefit. Dems have Progressives, Repubs have Tea Partiers, that is the reason that organized groups have platforms, or mission statements identifiying what their objective and goals are. The problem lies with letting the radicals of any group highjack the original intent.

      • Cindy

        Nadzieja, where did you see that I wanted to punish anyone? My point is when you are throwing those rocks becareful as your glass house is probably next. I believe in punishing those who violate laws. I am not however in favor of judging another religion or creed, or nation. Again, I ask what punishment am I supposed to have wanted to perform and on who???

      • Vicki

        Cindy says:
        “When you lump all those within a group to a bunch of extremists, of that group, be it Christian or Muslim you are closed minded .
        Good example is the Republicans, not all of them are radical and nuts, just the Tea Party fraction is the fringe element.”

        Matthew 7:5 ring a bell for you Cindy?

      • eddie47d

        Vickie needs to practice 7:5 herself.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Vickie needs to practice 7:5 herself.”

        Evidence dear. You so lack credibility. I at least had the courtesy to post exactly Cindy’s hypocrisy.

      • sam1966

        Vicki grabs ed-duh by the throat and there’s the choke slam on ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Cindy

      Mike, these people are so filled with hate that they won’t even talk about the abuse that Catholic children received at the hands of Christian Priests for over 30 years. How about the Penn state scandal involving abuse at the hands of coaches, all for the goal of money.
      Look how they kept the secret for years. How about all the preachers(not Catholic) who have been sent to jail for sexual involvement with children. When our house is clean, we can then attack others who are failing in the same areas that we are. What is that saying about the sliver in the eye?

      • Kim

        Really? I think you are missing the whole point here, Cindy. These people are a cancer. They want a califate. They want you and your family to be muslim or cut off your head. they want you under sharia law and they want you in a burka. I say not in this country. I reserve the right to live free to practice the religion of my choice. Dont give me that touchy feely stuff. Get a grip.

      • Karolyn

        “they. they. they.” Always the nebulous “they”. Unfortunately, all we see is the bad stuff. Why is there never news about the multitude of good Muslims, like the ones who lived next door to the consulate who were grief-stricken by what happened there. Of course, nobody mentions that all of the demonstrators are men. Sure, same old story, throw the baby out with the bathwater. Crucify a whole category of people for the actions of a few. Of course, I think the demonstrators are nuts, but if you take into account what they were brought up to believe, they are perefectly sane. The same thing happens here in the US when you get the mob or pack mentality. They do not understand freedom and believe that anything that comes out of the US is government sanctioned. They look at the act of a sick Christian Egyptian filmmaker as an act of our government.

      • Cindy

        Kim, the point is, you are willing to do the same exact thing to them. Violence begets violence. It is not up to us to police and judge other religions. Yes, practice your relligion,anyone that you so choose, but keep in mind that Christianity has it failings and you probably can’t get two demonations to agree on the interpretation of the Bible.
        Heck, some don’t even bother to follow the Old Testament as it was replaced by a newer and better version. Have you ever been to other churches other than your chosen affilation? Go to a Catholic, Babtist,Mormon, then a Seventh Day Adventist church and tell me they all believe the same thing and then understand that Christianity is a big tent, with many, many different views.

      • Happy

        The difference between the Penn State acts and the Catholic Priests is that our society punishes the perpetrators for these barbaric acts, while Islam considers them to be a part of everyday life. Are you so filled with hate yourself that you cannot see that basic difference? You will need a better argument to show how Islam is a religion and not a cult bent on material treasures and physical pleasures. The fact that you are a woman would mean that you are a second class citizen and more like property than a human. How does that sit with you? You would have been handed over to your husband at a ripe old age of 8 or 9 and been sexually and physically abused for the rest of your life, at least until you could no longer provide pleasure. Then, who knows, maybe stoned for some trumped up charge and then buried and forgotten. I love my daughters and wife much more than that. I love them enough to fight anyone who would even think about that kind behavior as being acceptable. Not in my country. You need to study a little more, Cindy; you don’t get it yet.

        Happy

      • Sirian

        Karolyn,
        To get a better grip on exactly what the Muslim world is motivated by please go to the website I’ve tacked on below. Please take a bit of time to read and watch the videos available. From these I hopefully think that you will get a better understanding of both who and what we’re dealing with.
        http://shariahthethreat.org/2011/04/a-short-course-on-shariah-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/
        As an additional listing of previous/historical events, you may find this helpful also.
        http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49533 – Muslim attacks scorecard

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Cindy is the new arbiter of what Leftists consider right and wrong. So folks we all collectively submit ourselves to be flagellated because we did not do enough to stop the abuse by pervert priests of the Catholic church. Cindy cannot deal with individuals making a choice to sin or not to sin. Sinful choices and sinful consequences follow one another as day follows night. Poor little Cindy decrees we all must be punished as a Collective.

      • Steve

        Cindy, we do clean house. Those are evil people that we put in jail.

      • uvuvuv

        come on home cindy cindy, by trini lopez? anyway she seems concerned that the boy scouts don’t allow gays.

      • Gordon

        Cindy, are you saying that islam is ok because there are many pretend christians doing evil things too? Is that what you are saying?

      • James

        Where, oh where is the outrage at the THOUSANDS of Christians who have been BUTCHERED by the muslims in Egypt after the muslim brotherhood took power over the last year?

        I LOVE how you gimps talk all tough about Christians, Jews, Mormons because we won’t kill you because of it, but think talking nice about islam will save you when they come knocking on your door.

      • Kate8

        Very good point, Steve, and we should not skip over this point.

        WE DO CLEAN HOUSE.

        The only reason we know about these things is because these perverts were outed and prosecuted.

        I’ve yet to hear anything about any Muslim who was held to account for his actions by other Muslims. They get rewarded for torturing and killing non-Muslims. And they are not even criticized for hate speech against non-Muslims.

      • sam1966

        Cindy needs to look at this:

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/7045/feds-hunt-anti-muslim-filmmaker-rather-than-people-who-killed-us-ambassador/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Robert

      fellow u are a idoit, u need to go look at history, mohammed was put to death , because he raped two young girls ages 6 and 9. Islam is the devils religion. why do think in the bible god will destroy Islam???????

    • Ted Crawford

      Do you have any specific point to make? Or are you content with a simple Alinsky rhetorical rant?

    • Mike Hennessy

      A battle weary middle eastern society’s extremeist fringe into a murdering mob. Let me make this clear I do not condone the attacks in any way. However you must consider the fuel that has been poured into this fire. You must also consider how long this fight has been going on and how tensions have been building. How would you react if a foreign country had bombed and then invaded yours? Yes I know 9/11 is our invasion but the battle has been going on long before even that. Perhaps gentlemen, we should try some intelligent peaceful responses. Yes those who are responsible should be brought to justice. And yes we should hold those that intentionally use free speech as a sheild to avoid their crimes accountable accordingly.

      • Kim

        My dearist mike, They are at war with us. What is it about yesterday that you do not understand. Would you try to make the hawk understand that you do not want it to eat your rabbit? They have been fighting to 2000 years. America is stupid to think we can reason with these extremists. Obama is stupid to think they are his friend because he extended the olive branch, they hate us and they want us all dead.

      • eddie47d

        Yes they have been fighting for 2,000 years because they have been around that long. We are only less than 300 years old and look at the numerous wars we have been in so being civilized doesn’t stop the killings. We started the false flag Vietnam War by staging the Gulf of Tonkin incident. We lost 58,000 troops but the Vietnamese lost over 2 million troops and civilians. So who is more blood thirsty? The hijackers killed 2,998 Americans on 9/11 yet we Americans killed 145,000 at Hiroshima so who demands more death? Besides we went into the Middle East and have already caused the death of at least 1 3/4 million which would include the deaths of the Iran-Iraq war. Who sold military equipment to Saddam and Iran also. (Reagan),the USA and several other countries. Who sold chemical weapons to those nations the USA and other countries. Who’s spreading death and destruction throughout the Middle East? The colonists,the arms dealers,the oil barons. It’s fairly hard to establish a functioning government anywhere in the world if outside forces are manipulating your countries. Now some of those arms were delivered by Russia and Europe so the Middle East has a lot of lions at the gate trying to devour them. So sit back in your cozy little suburban home and really think about the evil perpetrated by all sides and what you can do to correct man’s inhumanity to man.

      • Warthog0

        Do you mean the French for starting the Crusades?

      • eddie47d

        They were only one of many and those crusades continue to this day. Now the crusaders operate out of office boardrooms and government buildings instead of castles.

      • Warthog0

        Kim, I agree with you regarding the mental deficiency of the Occupy the White House tenant. He really thinks that the same Alinsky technique of ‘hood organizer is a replacement for diplomacy. He thought that being half white and half African Muslim was going to open doors to him, NOT. He was used to swimming in the Chicago cesspool and thinks that is school enough for him…well maybe the corrupt aspect of politics and that is about all. The idiot doesn’t have a clue about history, geography nor anything else for that matter. He is wholly reliant on speech writers and teleprompters, and not that no one else uses them, but without one he becomes himself; a blubbering “analphabeta”.

      • Michael J.

        And so the attack on The 1st Ammendment to The Constitution of The United States begins…

        “And yes we should hold those that intentionally use free speech as a sheild to avoid their crimes accountable accordingly.”

      • Gordon

        Kim, please realize that Obama is one of them. He is a muslim through and through. He was raised that way, adheres to that way, and has stated such on several occasions, as well as specifically stating that he will side with the muslims. All this BS is just setting things up for jihad on our North American homeland soil.

        Asteroids might hit, solar flares might flash, drought might starve the world, the financial world might collapse, etc, or even Jesus might come back. FOR SURE the jihad is coming to the USA homesoil. Hide and watch. “Keep some powder dry.”

      • Kate8

        Michael J – Wow. Check this out:

        http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/guillotines-real-soldiers-find-out-truth-for-their-use-now-they-are-either-arrested-or-on-the-run-2467176.html?currentSplittedPage=1

        Things are beginning to fall into place. Just who are our enemies? It seems that we are all nothing but pawns in a game of mass deception.

        Why beheading? It makes perfect sense…

        Whether anyone accepts the Biblical interpretations of the author, the facts can’t be denied…

      • eddie47d

        Before it is news has been debunked before and you keep believing it?

      • Cindy

        eddie, they won’t even admit that we had the Iran-Contra affair.

        http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1889.html

      • Karolyn

        Before It’s News is the extreme right-wing form of the Globe.

      • Kate8

        Nice try. Beforeitsnews collects articles from everywhere. They do not write them.

        Some are off-the-wall, but most are from legitimate sources. You just try anything to discount things you don’t like.

        BTW, it is not rightwing, either. They post articles from all sides…Right, left, up, down.

      • Karolyn

        Odd that all of the articles I’ve seen on BIN have been right-wing. I don’t recall seeing any left-leaning pieces. The only pieces not leaning right are scientific articles.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – By your interpretation. And so what, anyway. I only post things which are right leaning, because I’m right leaning. You only post things which are left-leaning.

        So what’s your point.

        BIN has hundreds of articles posted every day. Obviously, I’m not going to give credence to all of them. Usually I go to the site which originated the article, if I can, just to avoid some smart-*ss remark from you.

      • Kate8

        Since Revelation prophesies death by beheading in these times, I always wondered how that could be in a “civilized” nation. Of course, Islam uses this as their preferred method of execution.

        However, think organ harvesting market, which is really big now, and reaps huge profits. Lethal injection, gas, electric shock… all poison the body and make the organs uselss for harvest. Beheading leaves all organs viable.

        So, unknown to us, Congress has been legalizing death by guillotine and stocking up on them. There are now tens of thousands of them ready to go.

        And who would be those most coveted for their organs? People who live as cleanly as possible… don’t overuse drugs, are not promiscuous… CHRISTIANS.

        Think about that one. The article I posted is very real, I’m afraid. This information has been leaking out for some time, and now it’s all coming together.

        Prophecy is making sense, after all.

      • sam1966

        Cindy, the Iran-Contra thing is old and dead news, so just let it go OK? This is how Obama bin Laden and the progressives are treating our Marines.

        http://www.lastresistance.com/65/pink-marines-wont-have-bullets-to-defend-embassy/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Curt B

    I smell a rat! Does anyone else see the ever increasing angst between Christians and Muslims playing out in the media. I wonder which groups of people would benefit from a world war between Christian & Muslims? I say, If a movie trailer struck a nerve so deep, that warrants the Murder and Sodomy of American Diplomats and Aids, WELL,. As My Mother would say,” the truth Hurts Don’t IT?”. “no quarter will be given for Pedophiles or Sodomites.” I for one, take back the FALSE Commander in Cheat’s Apologies to the muslin world.

    • Ted Crawford

      Obama had two Historic examples to chose from here. He might have chosen to follow the example set by Teddy Rosevelt, which kept Embassy Personnel save for generations, or that set by Carter, which I credit with the primary responsibility for the current conditions in the Middle East! Of course he chose to follow Carter!

    • eddie47d

      Let’s see you quote that apology Curt? I’d like to see it. Are you one of the new Christian Crusaders stirring up world conflict? Steve Klein one of those crusaders and person who produced that anti-Muslim video said he deliberately made that video (Innocence of Muslims). “He know that video would cause division and that is what he wanted” Since he works for Media For Christ then are you for or against him using Christ’s name in advocating for violence? He also stated he wanted to “glow the light of Jesus”. Well the only thing glowing is US Embassies which is exactly what he wanted. Klein trains at the Kaweah religious compound in Southern California which I brought up about 7 months ago. They are like American Jihadists if anyone cares. He travels around the US handing out anti-Muslim literature at high schools,churches and his favorite is Mormon Temples. This militia man even tried to tie the Mormon Faith and the Muslim Faith together on the pedophile issue. Other groups he belonged to are Army of God (advocates for killing of abortion doctors), The Christian Guardians and Courageous Christians United (mainly anti-abortion) So what I read on this site many of you would feel comfortable in sharing the same philosophy as Steve Klein.

      • duaner

        Still ignoring the fact that 10 million Armenian Christians were exterminated by muslims during the Ottoman Empire. Still ignoring the Christians and Jews who continue to be slaughtered since the beginning of the so called peaceful start of islamitic bull crap religion. This religion was rejected by the arab and persian people until mohammed made it a political jihad. Then things went to hell in a hand basket. eddie47d quit being a dumbsh*t and do some research before you start saying that islam is a peaceful religion. And no i am not leaving out the travesty known as the Inquisition. The Crusades were started by the muslim sheetheads who wanted to extend their empire world wide. Does Spain living under muslim control for hundreds of years ring a bell. I guess I can ask this question of all you liberal idiots. Do any of you people study history?? It does not appear to be so, from the bull puke coming out of your mouths. And to take it one step further, the lack of historical knowledge is a damming indictment against the liberal education system that is forever trying to be politically correct. We have generated a whole new flock of morons like you and other liberals who suck up to the Alinsky paradigm. Go to the library and do some research.

      • eddie47d

        Is Duaner having another brain fart. That number is (1) million Armenians killed not (10) million. Must have been a hiccup on your computer big boy. That was done by our Turkish ally who still won’t admit it happened. I know you made a fine attempt to look intelligent by attacking “Liberals” so nice try. Oh by the way I never said “Islam is a peaceful religion” so that is another one of your continual errors.

    • Gordon

      movie = red herring

      • JeffH

        movie=excuse for more violence

        Excuses are for losers!

  • Kim

    I am afraid for this country that it may already be too late for us to turn it back into the free society we once thought we had. We all need to go out and talk to 4 or 5 people make sure they are registered voters and make sure they understand the consequences of voting for Obama. I was reading an article about how for 1400 years muslims have been marrying their first cousins and the consequence to the gene pool. Explains a lot. One of the problems is low IQ, increased Schizophrenic disorder to name a few. This explains a lot to me.

    • Cindy

      Kim, thought you might be interested in how many states allow marrying first cousins, here in the United States. Maybe that helps you understand the dumbing down of America too.

      http://marriage.about.com/cs/marriagelicenses/a/cousin.htm

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are such an idiot, Cindy.

      • Karolyn

        First name-calling of the day – Nadzieja gets the prize!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, you just admitted that you cannot comprehend what you read.

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Fight For America

        cindy cindy cindy, I can see you wearing rags from your head to toes, bowing down to kiss muslim ass, so go ahead vote for this obama who will transform America to another third world country. only the people who hate America will vote for this incompent president, someone had warn this administration 48 hours in advance to warn this embassor to get out of the country, but no obama had to attend to his fund raising. obama has blood on his hands, and in case you do not know this he gay. check out the info is out their, how about that the first homo president

    • Knock Knock

      Frankly Kim,
      I don’t care who or what the descendants of Hagar and Ishmael F**K. As Long as it is not 9 year old Children and American citizens. Preferably, every Muslim man should buy a goat or sheep to keep their sick minds an body parts busy. Maybe they start a “SHARE A GOAT PROGRAM” being they like having more than one wife. More than likely they won’t mind sharing a goat or sheep.

      • Kim

        I agfree with you Knock Knock. Just give us all the freedom to practice our own religious beliefs. It is illegal in a country to practice your beliefs get the H**l out of my country and go somewhere else. but dont come here and change the laws in this country to fit your religion. Go back to that god forsaken place your muslim but came from.

      • eddie47d

        Folks from every nation live in America and those same people for the most part obey our laws. We have been a melting pots for too long (since our inception) to turn back now. Our continual wars in the Middle East brought thousands of Middle Easterners to America seeking refuge like millions before them. Maybe we shouldn’t be so involved in other nations affairs if you don’t like our melting pot. Stop condemning whole groups of people because of the actions of a few. Few Muslims in America want to convert anyone and want to be left alone. Even if there was any truth to that conversion would it be any different than the millions that Christianity converted around the world.

      • James

        There are islamic training camps for islamists to practice their explosive skills, marksmanship, armed and unarmed combat for when they attempt to start more violence in an effort to get America to ‘submit’ to islam.

        But please eddie, please feel free to invite some of them to come live in your home. They could use your back yard or parking lot as a firing range and I’m sure they would even let you volunteer to be one of the targets, that way everyone will be happy.

      • eddie47d

        Your too funny James. Besides you have your hired gun the US government doing your killing for you. How’s that body count coming?

    • Gordon

      You are overlooking the #1 problem there. MORE MUSLIMS.

      • http://charter jo smith

        What makes you argue among youself. Don’t you realize thay hate everybody thay kill women,children and each otherin the of religon.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        jo smith, nothing wrong with arguing. Iron sharpens iron and as such quick and good minds learn from each other. Notice even the Leftists don’t seem to want to stay away from this site.
        All the snarling and growling maws across the middle east that are acting for the cameras have not learned this.

  • Kim

    Karolyne, why don;t you go over there and live for a while and come back here and say that. Obviosly you have already been assimilated into the borg. We intelligent Americans understand the idea and consequences of free speech.

    • Cindy

      Kim, you are 100% correct. This attack on America was brought about by a non-citizen using his free speech and producing a hideous video. Free speech has always had consequences. It is a shame that it was used by a radical right person to bring death to our citizens. The fact that this person claims to be a Christian is an embarrassment to all!

      • Kim

        You dont get it. Who the heck cares about others practicing free speech. It is his right. I am not embarassed. I just dont really care. I am not all up in arms because someone disagrees with me. So what. If you have an opinion it will probably be disagreeable to someone. It’s great we still have a country that allows that. And since this is allowed. We all have the freedon to ignore it. That is what Islamists do not get.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So now we have another idiot excuse to do evil “the movie made me do it”. Human choices didn’t enter the equation. Who forced the nut jobs to go see the film, somehow the film has such magnetic power that it drew people to watch it? Such BS!

      • eddie47d

        Okay Nadzieja why were so many black churches burned back in the 50′s and 60′s? What caused those racists to do such a thing in the name of God and glory? It wasn’t a video but something “made them do it”. Why did that Mosque burn down in Joplin Mo last month? What about the other Mosques that have been torched here in America? Apparently there are Americans who react in the same manner with or without a video. So stop throwing stones!

      • Steve

        Your comment sounds like the battered woman who defends her husband with statements like “It’s my fault, if I had made his sandwich right he wouldn’t have had to hit me”.

        There will always be something that some one finds offense at. A group that finds killing random people a reasonable answer to their feeling offended are the evil ones. Some one is having their friends killed and their churches burnt, so they make a crappy offensive movie showing the killers to be what they are in an offensive way and now he is responsible for the actions of the killers!?!

        Some one stands up and calls some group out for murdering raping and pillaging, then they murder, rape and pillage, but claim it’s only because they were offended at being called murders, repasts and thieves :) Clearly they are the victims and we should avoid offending them or it’s our fault when they kill people :)

      • Gordon

        Most people who claim to be christians are an embarrassment to the rest of us.

      • Gordon

        quote eddie47 Why did that Mosque burn down in Joplin Mo last month?

        True to muslim culture: Suicide?

      • Warthog0

        First off, lets throw some truth into this cauldron we are all cooking…The truth is that no one is absolutely sure about who really produced the movie. We could all surmise the reason to produce such a piece of crap, but we can only guess out loud, as to out of whose demented and evil mind this was vomited out off. It was an Israeli Jew, no, no, it was a Coptic Christian, Oh no, no, and Egyptian Coptic Christian, Oh so wrong it was a demented Florida Episcopalian pastor, no I think it was Terry Jones, no he only burned the Qumran, he didn’t diss it.
        Stop it!
        Practicing a religion or exercising free speech is a(fill in the blank) ____given right. That right does not extend to prosecuting violence against those that are in opposition to ones particular thoughts and convictions. There will always be those that are more than willing to be transformed into someone else’s tool.
        The French Popes, for political reasons, goaded Europe into launching the crusades to save the holy land from the infidels; Islamist, Jews and those heathen Byzantine Christians. En route they mascaraed the Christian Cathars in southern France and any Jew who woke up to an unlucky day. Today the tide is running the other way and yesterdays infidel is being fired up to convert or destroy the other infidels that do not believe. Believe what??? they three major religions are the children of the same father, Abraham, each subsequent and a continuation of the previous one. The reality, at least mine, they are the inventions of the human mind in a search of and for the reason of their existence and a short stay here to boot. The priests and shamans write the rules that govern our moral behavior and the guy with the scepter and the guys with spears and bows writes the code of behavior within his clan or tribe.
        We don’t like religions other than our own, so we pick the worst out of each others “holy” books and throw it in each others eyes and today via the internet, into the eyes of the world. Can you imagine 1400 years ago the world reacting this way, that within 24 hours 20 some odd Muslim countries have risen up, hell bent on destroying the “american” infidel, as America in their eyes has become a new religion or at least a vessel that contains all of the infidels.
        This rage of theirs is not warranted in our eyes, we all get bullied in the school yard and suck it up, so it is with most of us when we resort to our own rage, we typically suck it up.
        There is a difference between venting rage and the indiscriminate violence in the streets that is aimed at America(USA to us) and anything that represents it, including the murder of our representatives in a sovereign enclave that is an embassy. It was not a violent flash mob with a random killing at a mall, they have attacked our embassy and killed our ambassador and some of his staff. It is a declaration of war. So yes, there should be a measured reprisal, there should be a “punishment”, such as immediate forfeiture of all foreign aid, all and not just temporary or only for this or that, no , ALL! And there should be an attempt to capture and try for murder those that participated in this heinous of crimes.
        And even though I am a fervent believer in the 1st amendment, I believe this movie is in a sense, yelling fire in a theater, and the people involved should also be tracked down prosecuted and incarcerated. If it was a manipulation by a third party, this also should come to light. I am sure E Holder and the DOJ will enthusiastically take on this job since they have only a few months to complete this job, before they start sending out their resumes.
        This is the end of my “rant”, thanks!

      • Cindy

        Warthog, i don’t get it. We want countries to be democratic and yet you want to punish Liyba for those protestors who commited this crime? Isn’t that like holding America responsible for the video in the first place. Punishment of the perpatrators, but not the whole country would be the logical approach,. How do you ever expect to get conversions to Christianity when you punish the entire country for the misdeeds of the radicals?

      • cawmun cents
      • eddie47d

        Kate 8 says “we are fighting over there for freedom” That is what we are told by our government at least. I think oil is still the biggest issue and more goodies for the financial Elites.

      • Kate8

        eddie – Once again, you lie about something you say I said.

        Please show where I made that statement. I wouldn’t, because I don’t believe it.

        Above I stated that Americans were in Muslim countries “fighting for ‘freedom’ that they don’t want”. That was, in case you missed it, stated in sacasm. We all know the wars have nothing at all to do with freedom.

        If you are going to quote people, do it accurately. Don’t falsify intent in order to denigrate someone.

      • Kate8
  • Kim

    Cindy, Oh yes you sound so intelligent. I am not pushing my religion. Why do you liberals always change the subhject when you are wrong? I am telling you what the Ilamic extremists that state they are at war with America are saying. Havent you heard? death to america? Will you Cindy ask the hawk nicely to not eat your rabbit. It is their nature. It is what they do. It is very simple. I am not giving you my opinion. I am telling you the facts. Honey. You should try and get your information for critical thinking from somewhere other than NBC

  • Kim

    Yes it is they, they are Islmaic extremists that want death to America. That is who THEY are. You might want to check them it. And see what extremists do. It is not just mob mentality. There is a group behind them that is coordinating these attacks. Kinda like the rediculous Occupy group. What morons.

  • Curt B

    I am,along with, millions of other American’s, TIRED OF GETTING SCREWED by Islamic pro- governments. I want the Check to all mu-slum nations to “READ” “Stop payment order”.
    And furthermore all assets froze.
    And said assets be given to unemployed Americans with a US. ID..
    Lets see How well they do with out food ,money and second hand Clothing we send them.

    • Gordon

      we’re not too far from that ourselves.

  • Cindy

    Kim, if you could keep your hate to the extremists, it would be fine, however, you condem the entire Mulsin religion. Just like now Christianity will be given a black eye because of this extremist. I never changed the topic, I only responded to your comments.
    I see from your comment that only you can use your free speech to make comments and judge a group (Occupy group) and all others using that same right are morons. How do you justify that?

    • Knock Knock

      I don’t think Kim needs defending. But I noticed the talking-points words your using. “hate”extremist”. Who are you to chastise Kim about her opinion. What if She or I want to hate murdering,Pedophiles, Sodomites extremist Muslim. If she thinks Occupiers are Morons. So what. They probably are! Opinions are not against the law. Yet!. But with people like yourself it won’t be long until the thought police will be Knocking on your door for Thinking. OR Maybe not. IMO ( Notice I left out the “H”)

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you are not concerned about Christianity getting a black eye or anything else.

      • eddie47d

        Apparently not since Steve Klein was a Christian fear monger (who advocates killing in the name of Christ). So how do you rectify Christians who do push acts of violence.?

      • Warthog0

        eddie47, you are either a competing non Catholic Christian, a Muslim a Jew, a______(fill in the blank), an agnostic or an atheist. Which ever one you are, one thing is certain, you are one bigoted and prejudiced human being. Your hatred is so ingrained in your homo sapien species, its piteously laughable, I’m glad to be a neanderthal….

      • eddie47d

        All that and you never answered by question or comment. You practice Alinsky tactics very well dear comrade! I accept all faiths and fellow human beings so that bigot you are referring to is the one in the mirror WarthogO.

      • sam1966

        Wrong, wrong, wrong ed-duh. We know that Alinsky style tactice are the ways of those left of center. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Gordon

      Cindy, don’t you have the slightest comprehension of what Islam is?

      • Warthog0

        sorry cindy, this is for eddie47…. “All that and you never answered by question or comment.” I believe that “Which ever one you are, one thing is certain, you are one bigoted and prejudiced human being. Your hatred is so ingrained in your homo sapiens species, its piteously laughable, I’m glad to be a Neanderthal….” is both a comment and an answer. however your grey matter sclerosis and severe separation anxiety as a child never allowed you to grow into a self sufficient individual that does not depend on the largess of his neighbors hard earned bread, with the help of the corruption and larceny of our self inflicted bureaucracy and professional politicians.

      • eddie47d

        What alter did you worship at today to come up with that blistering gobbledygook? You are two patties short of a Big Mac!

      • Warthog0

        Eddie47…OOPS I’m sorry, I guess my comment was beyond your comprehension, I will not call you a simple minded left wing dolt, neither a moron nor a cretin, these would be personal attacks not allowed here, the answers you usually give are all from your little red book. Необразованные идиот, глупый, Безмозглый морон are allowed, since they are probably not on the list and you probably understand these as well. But back to your comment you had nothing to say or answer the face of truthful statements so you attack with children’s “yo mama” tirades, and typical inane quips that are suppose to inflame me? Get schooled! The Alinsky slip is showing!

    • Warthog0

      “Warthog, i don’t get it.” Of course you don’t, you wouldn’t have posted such tripe if you did, or at least understood what you we reading. Nowhere did I mention I or “we want countries to be democratic and yet you want to punish Liyba for those protestors who commited this crime?” I did say however that the perpetrators of the attack on our embassy in Libya, which if you don’t know, is part of our sovereignty, therefore an act of war if it is conducted by a government or a criminal act committed on our soil by foreigners. Appropriate consequence and punishment needs to be meted out for the murder of 4 of our citizens, who in their capacity represent this country.
      “Isn’t that like holding America responsible for the video in the first place.” Are you equating a video produced by one of their own Egyptian countrymen and funded by Hollywood on par with attacking an embassy and murder of four people, and we are to blame, that explains a lot. Does it kind of slither by in between your synapses and it is the reason why you don’t comprehend that there are red herrings swimming about out there all the time, with zealots waiting to pounce on them till the populaccio swallow them hook, line and sinker? You don’t think that it is a typical mo in the arena of the global politick, dear, read outside of these ether walls, as alluring as they might be. “Punishment of the perpatrators, but not the whole country would be the logical approach”. Well Cindy, you stumped me here. In reality, the perpetrator should be punished, I just don’t discriminate between an individual and a country, if the country was complicit and in reality aided and abetted or was a participant, then off with their heads as they say in S. Arabia or was that France; in any case, I say screw them and the camel they rode in on. I get just a little bit of acid burn around my sphincter having to squander our tax dollars for foreign aid when we have 26 million people out of work 46 million in total on the dole and God knows how many non citizens sucking on this countries teat. We have an Appalachian poverty belt in dire need of work and our help, where the only succor is their tenacity to their local religion, whatever paltry government handout, white lightning to maintain a sanity in a stupor and yes their guns(never forget this part; one of the main reasons the Japanese never invaded the west coast). It has to do with justice and most of all freedom, freedom from the encumbrance and nuisance of the lifetime professional politicians and bureaucrats. “How do you ever expect to get conversions to Christianity when you punish the entire country for the misdeeds of the radicals?” I gather this is an answer to someone else’s post or your attempt at sophomoric sarcasm. I am not a Christian therefore I could care less about conversions. The only conversions that interest me are F to C.

  • Nouveau Beginning

    I don’t see any difference among religions because they’re all occults and one is not any better than the other. The Christian religion preaches selflessness and the word self-less speaks for itself because one is giving up the right and freedom to be themselves in their natural environment. When one is selfish, one thinks about oneself first and in order to help others oneself must come first. In order to be compassionate towards others a person must think of themselves first and then and only then can they be compassionate towards others. The word SELFLESS was pounded into people’s minds to hand over their earnings to a church. Religious people have accumulated nothing in life but to follow brainwashing atheists who have suppressed people’s minds for ages. All religions should be banned because they’ve done nothing to advance mankind.

    As far as voting Obama out of office, who do you think should take his place? Romney? He’s no better than Obama and in my opinion they’re both two turds in a sewer. Neither of them give a damn about you or your country. The smartest thing a human being could do is not vote for some a$$hole to control their lives. Real freedom is the ability to control your own life and not hand it over to some ignorant vermins who don’t have your best interest in mind. The elected ‘attorneys’ who are voted into office keep getting wealthier and wealthier while you keep getting poorer and poorer. If they had your best interests in mind, you would be the one controlling them, and not vice versa. I was not born upon this god forsaken planet to be someone’s slave and follow the vultures to a slaughterhouse. I will not vote for anyone to suppress my life any further than they’ve already suppressed it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Are we supposed to say that what you write is so intelligent? Actually you are a Dunce who has no discernment capability.

      • Warthog0

        I think I have said this to you once before in the not too distant past. I believe your progenitors had higher hopes or at least they never learnt to read so change the name for their sake. They would be spared some embarrassment reading some of your drivel, not all of it, but most of it.

      • cawmun cents

        I think we should give these liberals what they want…a chance at Shariah Law.
        Then whenever Karolyn or any other woman wants to voice her opinion,she can yell into her closet at home.No more home for wayward women for Flashy.
        No more denouncing of policy towards homosexuals will be heard from Smith.
        Any one who puts Allah down will have his tongue yanked out and then his ass jerked through his neck.No more atheism.No more womans choice.No more seeing a woman walking around in public without having a close male relative to chaperone them.
        Then they will be ready for the Christians to come back,but guess what?
        There will be no such revival.
        Dont even think that we will beat the dust off of our shoes to help you after you turned us down the first time.
        Its Biblical.
        You can have what you are asking for…we will go away and then you will be stuck with the real religious zealots instead of the make believe ones you think you have now.
        Then when you finally realize what a dung pile you have got yourself into,you can finish burying yourselves in it.
        And you will think,”as long as we cover ourselves in scat,nobody will notice our deviate behavior.”But what you dont realize is that they will clean your stables quicker than you can say Muhammed Ali.
        So perhaps we shoud let them have what they want folks?
        Stop defending the pearsl that you have and keep from casting them amongst the swine
        I hear pork is scarce in the Muslim world.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little…..
        -CC.

    • Knock Knock

      There is truth in your words of Life Nouveau Beginning.
      There is also Anger ,loneliness and cynicism

    • http://none Carter

      Good points.I live on social security and bill swent up 550.00 dollars a year.All I hear from Obama is more money..All I get from Romney is please send me money so I can make corporations richer than Obama did.Obama has eight people from the bailouts recievers in the white house telling him what to do.Banks and wall streets and drugs control this country.Most religion is antiquated and misunderstood.Evil people take it over and water it down or make it violent or make it perverted(gay marriage,abortion,bi-sexual,or drugs)

      • Gordon

        60 years ago the commies claimed they would take over this country without firing a shot. The muslims want to shhot or suicide bomb us. Both are getting it done with little resistence.

    • Frank

      From my understanding of the american english language, you have twisted the meaning of the words you used.

      Selfless does not mean giving up your ability to make intelligent decissions or to let others do your thinking. It means to think (as the Bible tells us) about the welfare of others before your own personal desires. To be selfless means to give compassion and charity to those less fortunate.

      Selfish is not even close to what you say. Look it up, think of its use in our language. Selfish is very closely related to the sin GREED. It means to want everything for yourself. I come first. You cant have my things. You dont deserve it as much as me. A selfish child says “no you cant play with it, it is my toy”.

      Maybe, I am wrong but, this is the standard usage of these words where I live in the northwestern U.S.. Has been for oveer 50 years. If the definitions of those words are different where you live, please let me know.

    • Warthog0

      At times, one takes a long breath and ponders whether is worth the effort of this constant process of educating those around you with respect to the things that you know are irrefutably true and are not a figment of your own grandiosity, but are confirmed to be so by persons you deem smarter than yourself.
      That is why we accept certain premises and dogma and reject others. In this case, your observation on the nature of and definition of selflessness and selfishness, you are I’m afraid; piddling upwind, throwing peas against a granite wall and thousand other similar quips. It is a difficult, if not a quantum leap to come to the realization that selflessness is product of selfishness, you are wasting your time, you are preaching to generally decent folk, who have grown up with a shorter left leg and do left handed circles all their lives.
      But, there is hope in the concept of helping yourself first, the survival of the species as proclaimed by Darwin one of the left of center apostles, is all about selfishness of even the most primitive and simple organisms. But, take heart, all is not lost. At least the safety officers in the aviation industry see the concept quite clearly, “Put on your mask first then help others”, even if they are your precious children, they will need you in an impending disaster, they can not survive without you. By being selfish you at the least, give them the hope of survival and by doing so, you will guarantee your own immortality. That is the nature of things.

      • Frank

        Warthog0, although I agree with you that this persons definitions of selflessness and selfishness is way out in another universe, your description is warping hard to get there also.

        In your example, it is true that I cannot help others if I am dead. It does not mean that my act of saving myself first so as to be able to help others is selfish. It means that I am prudent in my actions allowing me to survive to assist others.

        True selfish behavior would be to save myself and then stand aside and let the rest save themselves.

        Totally selfless behavior would be to ignore my impending death completely and save as many of the others as possible before dying.

        These two concepts are diametrically opposed, in the definition of selfless it says “unselfish”.

        I am copying the definition of the two words here along with the URL for the source of the definitions.

        Selfish

        Part of speech : adjective .
        Definition : of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure

        Selfless

        Part of speech : adjective .
        Definition : concerned more with the needs and wishes of others than with one’s own; unselfish

        http://www.definition-of.net/advanced-word-searches.aspx?q=selfless&match=starts&lang=en

  • Sondra

    Does anyone ever wonder why the “hired help” we put our trust in & sent to Washington seem to find it so easy to betray that trust & the oath they take to the Constitution? Do they really believe they & their families can’t be affected by some of the unconstitutional laws they have passed? How much money would you want to pass a bill that gives the occupant of our white house the right to detain any Citizen of the United States without due process? NDAA, all but one in the House [Ron Paul the only no] most of the Senate. Have they been compromised in such a way that they are compelled to vote against the Constitution they swore to uphold? The Federal Gov. needs the states but do the states need a fed. gov. that ignores the Law, the Constitution. Isn’t enough enough?

    • Native Son

      Right on…now as for oil/real estate and islam,simple solution,high altitude bombing with neutron devices,even kills cockaroaches,can annex and occupy peacefully in 24-48 hrs.,little damage to structures. Now as for this present admin.,think 6/Nov/2012 and let us all not repeat the same mistake….then go own a real house cleaning party,repeal certain acts,find the un constitutional buggers,give them a trial under constitutional law,if found guilty…well I think it will wind up being the biggest gallows ever built and on the south lawn with mandatory coverage by all the networksas an example of what occurs to traitors to this great nation….how is that for a start…???

    • Warrior

      I wonder, will the commander n’ chief’s “kill list” grow this week? Sorry but I do not buy the claim, this “community organizer” is in charge of anything. He is just following his orders from his “progressive bosses”.

      Identify every “progressive” you can in this election and vote em out. These people are all psychotic misfits and malcontents. The first “liar” doesn’t stand a chance with these bozos. They all need be sent to the middle east to serve ambassadorships. It would be fitting. Afterall, that’s the rabble they gravitate to.

      Hold on to your hats kiddies, this ride is about to get a lot rougher.

      • eddie47d

        Who were the Conservative bosses that the Bush/Cheney team took orders from? LOL One thing for sure Bin Laden was on their kill list but they missed the opportunity to hang a Mission Accomplished banner on that or even Iraq for that matter. Thanks Cheney for advocating for all that killing and violence in the Middle East you did a mighty fine job of stirring up that hornets nest . At least Cheney can claim the continual violence as a Mission Accomplished. Atta Boy!!

      • Warrior

        Funny thing is edduh, remember a couple weeks back the LSM was touting the fact that the world traveler n chief had vastly superior skills over mittens in the area of foreign relations. Well edduh, I think you may have more skills than these key stone cops. There, I said it, can we be friends now?

      • Curt

        Warrior,
        Sorry to have to go through your post to get to reply to eddie47d.

        eddie,
        Are you EVER gonna stop blaming Bush? 4 years isn’t enough for you? Man, get your head out, the lack of oxygen to what little brain you have is doing a number on you.

      • jesusknight

        He is NOT our Commander-In-Chief..he has never served a day in any type of military service or anything that pertains to it. He is just our President.

      • eddie47d

        Curt: What does that have to do with historical facts or even opinions?

      • Warthog0

        eddie47 “Who were the Conservative bosses that the Bush/Cheney” The same ones, they never change, so this schoolyard “johnny did it” or bobby’s mom lets him do it, is part of your characters make up, you never take the blame for anything. Oh wait…you take credit for Clinton’s economic success, when in reality the reason for it is that Newt and the Rep. congress were a boil on his ares kept the pocketbook closed and would not let him spend like a drunken sailor, well almost, he still had a standing order for cigars from a shop in Santo Domingo, two years after his last erection.

  • Palin16

    Ben, please..I don’t want OBummer to stay here in Vegas. Everytime he comes here (and blows a lot of cash) it disrupts the airport and all the streets are cordoned off. Better he stay in DC and Chicago.

    • Warrior

      When the “traveler n chief” was a younger man traveling through all those wonderful places throughout Indonesia and where ever else he was serving his “residency”, it does appear he really missed some important stops OR maybe not.

  • Richard

    M ISINFORMATION!!!! Obama did NOT apologize. However, YOU should!!!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You need to clean out your ears as well as your brain because your cognizance is warped.

      • Richard

        My ears are clean. How about your brain?

  • Kim

    I agree with you Curt, What does our government not understand that we are at war. Has everyone forgotten our country is currently in a war. the muslim brotherhood is technically who we are fighting, their califate ideology etc. so write them off quit supporting those that want to kill us.

    • Louis Lemieux

      There are over 2,000 mosque in the US and the vast majority of those Muslims are law abiding US residents. You really think we are at war with them!

      • Curt

        “vast majority of those Muslims are law abiding.” REALLY? DUH” ONE BAD APPLE SPOILS THE WHOLE BUNCH GIRL” ONE NATION UNDER GOD not allah. There is a difference.

      • Warrior

        Ah yes, coming to neighborhood near you. I haven’t heard farrakans reaction yet, have you?

      • eddie47d

        Yes sir Curt I do believe Klein (video) was a bad apple and a terrible representative of the Christian Faith. Will you condemn his acts or will you secretly admire his false bluster and trouble making?.

      • Gordon

        Louis, Obama himself stated that there are 70,000 radical muslim extremists in the mainland USA. Is he lying about that too. (Yes he did= he said 1% of 7 million)

      • James

        Yes.

      • eddie47d

        You know that figure isn’t true Gordon so why say it?

  • Curt

    In the Old Days ,I’d Say kill then all and Let God Sort them out.
    Now I can’t see wasting the Ammunition.

    I think we should vacate the Middle East . Barricade it off and Watch them Eat themselves alive. T&C;-)

    • Gordon

      Save that ammo. You’re gonna need it.

  • Barbara Silbert

    America was founded on Religious Freedom. That means we ARE free to pursue what ever religious vinue we choose. Unfortunately there is a SICK BASTARD born every day in every country and in every religion. They sometimes are very capable of gaining power and influencing people. Shame on the human race for wanting to be led by some one outside themselves, so they don’t have to make their own decisions on how to live their lives. How many grievious deeds have been done in the name of God? We’re talking about people who murdered His only begotten Son!!! Grow up, get over it, and start making decisions you can be proud of. Whomsoever causes harm to a child would be better off if they had never been born. That has come to pass over and over throughout history.

  • http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/09/11/u-s-government-to-buy-german-u-boats-for-egypt/ Curt

    President Barack Obama’s deputies are negotiating a $1 billion aid package with Egypt’s new Islamist government, even as Egypt’s cash-strapped military revealed that it is trying to buy $1 billion worth of German submarines that could threaten Israel’s fast-growing offshore energy projects.

  • Curt

    President Barack Obama’s deputies are negotiating a $1 billion aid package with Egypt’s new Islamist government, even as Egypt’s cash-strapped military revealed that it is trying to buy $1 billion worth of German submarines that could threaten Israel’s fast-growing offshore energy projects.

    http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/09/11/u-s-government-to-buy-german-u-boats-for-egypt/

  • uvuvuv

    if someone was to go into a liberal tete a tete salon and announce he was a born again, he would be laughed at and jeered without mercy. or the evangelical college student confronted by the supercilious professor. it goes on and on. they never make the headlines, do they. but you get some muslim who’s offended and he starts shooting or he sets off a bomb. they don’t particularly take to criticism well. they don’t even like each other all that much. the suicide bombers over there target other muslims almost as often as our soldiers.

    • eddie47d

      That may be true but America has it’s share of hotheads who commit acts of violence on a steady basis.Besides all the school and office shootings we have those Sovereign Nation anti tax folks who get upset and go on their police killing rampages. Timothy McVeigh was spoon fed propaganda from the militias and acted upon those words. Words from the American Family Association and other similar groups encouraged the killing of abortion doctors. What about the Olympic bombing by Eric Randolph? Heck he didn’t even need a valid reason for that one.

    • Gordon

      It’s who they are. And obama said there are 70,000 extremists here. Think about it.

      • eddie47d

        Conservative desperation for flare is showing. Not true Gordon.

  • chuckb

    this contention that the film started all of this is hogwash propaganda started by the white house and secretary of state to cover their incompetent butts. it’s like everything else he has done. pure incompetence. the film has been on youtube since august, why didn’t barry complain then, more lies.
    how come we haven’t heard from the markets, when we were bombing libya, that small country of ragheads, they immediately jumped on the price gouging, now , practically the whole camel kingdom is in a state of riot against us, oh, i forgot, barry says they are really our friends they don’t really mean this. is this guy nut’s. so where is the howl about the interruption of oil supplies? where’s geroge soros and his manipulation of the energy market? do you suppose he’s laying low until barry gets back on his feet from this left hook he just caught? remember barry keep your right hand up.

  • boyscout

    OK. We could send in troops and embroil ourselves in yet more conflict that we cannot afford in the act of policing the populace of other sovereign nations, or we could try another (more cost efficient) approach that would place the onus of policing on the leaders of those very states. By simply withholding the aid that we send (WHY?- and this amounts to megabucks) and removing our embassies we would force their leadership to correct these situations or go elsewhere for assistance.
    Let them keep embassies here at their expense or remove them. We have wasted enough enough of American life blood and tax dollars to protect/promote corporatist oil interests and have not even been hugely successful at that. Nor do I particularly care to have US/British oil interest represent American interests abroad. These scoundrels and the people that I know have nothing in common and are a cancer in our society. Let them fund their own expansion without taxing our populace to subsidize them.

  • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Fight For America

    on nov. 6 let send a clear message to the demoncrap and vote all these losers out of office and this liar can go back to chicago and do what he does best, community organizer he is not fit to be president he is Incompetent

  • http://alsina846.wordpress.com George

    I didn’t know muslims were qeers, now I know they like raping men and boys, I heard obama is a queer too

  • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Jose Luis Fernando Miguel Lopez

    I have a idea, lets gather all the muslims in one place then we nuck them

    • Gordon

      They are scattered throughout the world. Indonesia, Philippines, etc. Few people realize that muslims have concentrated themselves into nations with oil reserves, as well as the “western” nations for political takeovers. When all the muslims get together they are gonna cut off the oil supply to bring the infidels to their knees. Pause and think about the USA with half as much oil as we have now.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Fool, don’t you realize that America sits on top of the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world? Your logic makes no sense. It is the Imperialist West that is guilty of political intrigue and war. Ask yourself; who is occupying who? Is it the Muslims or the West that has built, and are building HUGE embassies in foreign countries? Who’s bombing the crap out of who? It amazes me how the “Perpetrator” can, at the same time, play the aggressor and victim. You are truly deluded beyond all hope, i’m afraid.

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, YOU go “nuck” them, Luis. Are you some kind of sicko? We are all brothers and sisters, despite our differences. Sounds like you’re a real humanitarian.

  • http://yahoo biteme

    to all you liberals out there if you so unhappy with america, get the hel% out,that includes you cindy and take dumbas$ obummer with you, you say you enjoy freedom but then you are to stupid to realize yours and mine are being taken away everyday by this idiot at 1600 islam ave like he is turning this nation into. so to all islamist idiots that hate america go blow you and your buddies up instead of the very people who are trying help you, and then you go to hel# WITH YOUR 72 YEAR OLD VIRGIN. AMERICA LOVE IT OR GET HEL# OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Do you all really think that America’s future is going to be knocked off-course or be altered at all by the selection of the Democratic Party’s Nominee for President or the Republican Party’s Nominee?

      I don’t think so because the 1945 Coup Leaders of Kraemer, Dornberger, Gehlen, Bormann, Von Bolschwing, Mengele, Von Braun and Van Damme are still in charge of the Three Branches of Government.

      The only way you can relieve yourself of this predicament is to loosen their hold on those Branches which no election will accomplish and nothing that Blitzer could ever show CNN.

      Remember B is for Bush, B is for Bormann and B is for Von Bolschwing.

      Goodnight America…Auf Wiedersehn.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    6 reasons the United States, United Kingdom, France, and Israel wanted former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi out of power and dead.

    1. Gaddafi Pissed off and Scared Oil Companies

    According to Oil and Gas Journal, Libya had total proven oil reserves of 41.5 billion barrels in 2007, officially becoming the largest in Africa.

    In 2009, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi held a meeting with students from Georgetown University via satellite. During the exchange, Gaddafi said that oil prices were “unbearable” and that Libyan oil “maybe should be owned by national companies or the public sector at this point, in order to control the oil prices, the oil production or maybe to stop it”.

    Oil companies such as ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil, Occidental Petroleum, Amerada Hess and Royal Dutch Shell all had major investments in Libya since Gaddafi renounced Libya’s WMD program in 2003 and US sanctions were lifted, and the idea of Gaddafi nationalizing oil companies wasn’t going to sit too well with these corporations.

    Also in 2009, Libya’s state-owned oil company threatened to nationalize Petro-Canada’s operations in Libya if Canada did not apologize for Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon’s criticisms of Gaddafi giving a heroes welcome to the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing.

    Britain and the United States were prepared to intervene on Petro-Canada’s behalf “to emphasize that it is not good for Libya to threaten existing and potential investors and violate the sanctity of contracts with such abandon”.

    2. Gaddafi Pissed off Israel

    On September 24, 2009, as reported by YNET, Gaddafi said action against Iran “could set a dangerous precedent, noting that other countries including India, Pakistan, China, Russia, the United States and Israel have – or in Israel’s case are assumed to have – atomic weapons”.

    Through the Gadhafi International Charity and Development Foundation, 50 million dollars was donated (9/2010) to the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) to finance rebuilding 1,250 homes in the Gaza Strip.

    Gadaffi urged Palestinians to revolt against Israel on 2/13/2011, saying that “fleets of boats should take Palestinians … and wait by the Palestinian shores until the problem is resolved. This is a time of popular revolutions”.

    3. Gaddafi Pissed off the British

    As reported by the Herald Sun, 12/8/2010: “Britain faced threats from Libya of dire consequences if the ailing Lockerbie bomber died in a Scottish prison, confidential US cables released by WikiLeaks showed. Threats included the cessation of all British commercial activity in Libya and demonstrations against British facilities, as well as suggestions Britons in the country could be put at risk.”

    4. Gaddafi’s Partnership with Hugo Chavez

    Muammar Gaddafi and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez signed a document decrying attempts by western countries to equate struggles against colonialism with terrorism.

    Making his first visit to Latin America in 2009, Gaddafi said that the two regions should unite to wield more influence, and form a defense alliance, a “NATO for the South”.

    5. Sarkozy and Gaddafi

    March 2010, as reported by the BBC, Gaddafi’s son, Saif al-Islam, alleged that his country helped finance French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy’s 2007 presidential campaign: “We funded it and we have all the details and are ready to reveal everything.” His remarks came days after Libyan state TV reported a “grave secret” that would bring about Mr Sarkozy’s downfall.

    Three years earlier, Sarkozy said of Gaddafi that he “is not perceived as a dictator in the Arab world. He is the longest serving head of state in the region, and in the Arab world, that counts. I share the conviction that France has to talk with everyone while standing firm on the values it holds.”

    In 2011, Sarkozy become one of the loudest voices advocating the removal of Gaddafi.

    6. Gaddafi and the Russians

    A Wikileaks cable dated 10/17/2008 talks about Gaddafi meeting with Russian officials to strengthen economic and military ties.

    Gaddafi expressed an interest in purchasing Russian military equipment, and supported Russia’s intervention inside the nation of Georgia.

    On March 10, 2010, as reported by Reuters, “Libya demanded an apology and warned that U.S. business interests could suffer after a State Department official made an acerbic comment about Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. [...] Libya is considering giving priority to Chinese and Russian firms over U.S. energy companies because of its diplomatic row with Washington”.

    May 16, 2011, as reported by the Atlantic Wire: “U.S. diplomats scored a silent victory last month when the Italian oil company Eni and Russian energy giant Gazprom postponed a deal to share a large claim to Libyan oil. The State Department can’t take credit, however, as the two companies based their decision to shelve the arrangement on violence in the region. But it’s all part of a bigger plan to keep access to oil out of Russia’s paws, reports McClatchy’s Kevin G. Hall based on a recent release of WikiLeaks cables. Gazprom, once a part of the Soviet Union’s gas ministry, has been busy buying up oil and gas reserves across Europe and the Middle East. In 2008, the state-run company even attempted to buy all of Libya’s natural gas and oil. Since then, United States diplomats discussed how prevent Libyan oil from making its way to Russia in the Eni-Gazprom deal.”

    None of these reasons for taking Gaddafi out are related to his alleged “massacre” of civilians. In fact, such claims have already been dismissed as exaggerations.

    Essentially, the bombing of Libya and the subsequent and needless slaughtering of innocents was all built on a lie. Americans were told the Libya mission was a noble humanitarian necessity to protect innocent lives, just like they were told the 2003 Iraq invasion was about destroying Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction”. However, it all ultimately boils down to an overreaching policy of imperialism which has dominated U.S. foreign policy for decades.

    In the post-9/11 world, this policy has been influenced immensely be neoconservatives, and Libya is just one more strategic stepping stone in their plan for containment and/or confrontation with China and Russia.

    Still, each time a new “intervention” is proposed, Americans overall buy into the reasoning. As columnist Sydney Schanberg once so eloquently put it: “We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth.”

    http://ca.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=1t5l7an4qvttr

  • http://hotmail Chris Phillips

    At the heart of Muslim outrage is America’s support for Israel and Israel’s continued land theft and terrorism against the Palestinians. Don’t expect this inconvenient fact to emerge in the “American” media, however.

    • James

      How is it ‘land theft’?

      muslims tried to murder Israel and told muslims living in Israel to run so they were not killed.

      Israel beats the snot out of multiple muslim nations that are trying to kill them and capture strategic sectors of land during the fight so they cannot be used to attack them further.

      The muslims who fled were PAID for their land as well while they were laughing at the Jews they thought they would get to kill easily.

      When you make bets at the casino and lose it’s not ‘theft’ of your money. If you invest in land / stocks and had a bad investment because you did not study up on the company involved it’s not ‘theft’ of your stocks or land value.

      If a mugger tries to rape / kill / rob their victim, gets their @sses beat by someone who knows how defend themselves and loses their hat while they run away it’s not ‘theft’ of their hat.

      • Warthog0

        Interesting…… people who flee their homes in the wake an impending disaster loose their homes to people who fill the space like a leak in a vacuum? I guess you didn’t build that and you didn’t steal that, can be equivalents….

        • James

          There was no ‘impending disaster’. They were told by their fellow muslums to get out of the blast radius of incoming fire. It’s called WAR.

          When you lose there are no ‘do-overs’ when you have lost the battle.

          You do NOT give weapons back to people trying to kill you.

          You do NOT give strategic areas back to those who have proven that they only want to wipe you, your family, and your friends off the map.

          But feel free to move over there, we’ll even take up a collection to get you a ticket to bring your family over there so you can experience the ‘love’ first hand. I’ll pony up a hundred bucks myself.

          They Jews PAID FOR most of the land that the muslims are now claiming are stolen. If you have a piece of junk car that’s all rusted out and sell it to someone you can’t claim they ‘stole it’ after they restore it to a showroom masterpiece with their time, sweat, and money.

      • Warthog0

        So James, when do we call Europe the European United States of America.

  • Kate8

    Jay, Michael J, Sirian…This is so weird. I have tried to post this 4 times, and it will not post.

    http://www.nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-resurrection-of-america-freedom-for.html

    This has never happened before, and my other links have posted above.

    • Moderator

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      Our spam filter did not like your comment. My apologies.

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      • Kate8

        What comment? I said nothing that could possibly be interpreted as offensive.

        Mostly, it was just the link.

        • Moderator

          Kate8,

          It was not offensive. It was just the link that was caught in our spam filters.
          Have a great evening.

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  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    12 Essential points about the offensive film on the Prophet Muhammad, and the subsequent reactions in Libya & Egypt

    The hateful piece of propaganda about the Prophet Muhammad, known as “Innocence of Muslims” continues to have repercussions around the world, due to the attacks on the US Embassy in Libya and Egypt. There is no mistaking the offensive nature of the film, as it accusing the Prophet of having been a womanizer, a fool, a sexual pervert, and a homosexual.

    There is also no mistaking the fact that the murder of the four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens is cruel and barbaric by any measure.

    Here are twelve points to keep in mind, in an attempt to bring some sanity to a controversy that has already generated far more heat than light:

    1) This is not an issue of Freedom of Speech vs. religious sensitivity.

    Every time that there is an offensive piece written to target Muslim sensitivities, there is the temptation to cast it as an issue of “freedom of speech”, held to be absolute, vs. the religious sensitivity of Muslims. That framework is either unhelpful or at best only partially helpful. In reality, pieces like the “Innocence of Muslims” so-called film are best classified as “hate speech”, as they seem to be of the same genre as anti-Semitic films of the 1930’s or Birth of the Nation KKK movies.

    The issue of freedom of speech vs. religious sensitivity also misses the point because it assumes—falsely—that Muslims are only capable of religious sensitivity. Muslims, whether in relatively free societies like Turkey or under more oppressive regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia have rich traditions of filmmaking, political cartoons, and satire. Many journalists and satirists in these countries are actually paying a price for their upholding of freedom of speech. Those are the people that are truly deserving of the spotlight, not the hate propaganda producers.

    2) Al-Qaeda, not Libyans, is behind the murder of the US ambassador
    The assassination of the US ambassador is not the work of the Libyan people, or religious groups, but rather the operation of al-Qaeda. The overlapping timing with the anniversary of 9/11 lends credit to this being an al-Qaeda plot that was pre-planned. So does the heavy amount of weaponry carried to the assault on the US compound.

    3) The Libyan authorities and religious scholars have condemned this attack.
    The Libyan President condemned the attacks in clear and unequivocal terms:

    Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf stated:

    “We refuse that our nation’s lands be used for cowardice and revengeful acts. It is not a victory for God’s Sharia or his prophet for such disgusting acts to take place….We apologize to the United States, the people of America, and the entire world. We and the American government are standing on the same side, we stand on the same side against outlaws.”

    Continued: http://www.religionnews.com/blogs/omid-safi/12-essential-points-about-the-offensive-film-on-the-prophet-muhammad-and-th

  • http://google Sandra Henley

    Egypt’s Morsi calling Obama to take action againts film maker. Morsi needs to be held accountable and taken to international criminal court for human violations against the Coptic Christians who are killed, kidnapped, raped, churches burned, businesses destroyed etc. US needs to cut out foreign aid to these mid-east countries. They hate America.

  • chuckb

    lets not go blaming al qaeda for all these atrocities, this is the libyan government, they are part of al qaeda.they are all muslims, they all bow to the same god and we are infidels in their eyes. too blame the film for this uprising is only perpetuating the lie of this administration, using this film as an excuse for their failure to protect our embassies., their failed diplomacy and recognition of what is truly happening right under their nose. hillary and barry are both incompetent. we should pull our embassies out of every one these countries and stop any payment immediately, after we withdraw then we should leave a bunker buster in the middle of their largest city. i bet the jihads would come to an end. they won’t stop as long as we have this muslim sympathizer in the white house, we should send him and his prayer rug packing. and any of you bleeding heart bolsheviks can go with him.

  • Karolyn

    There was just a detailed bio piece on the makers of the disgusting video on tv, and they are most certainly etreme right-wing Christians. They are certainly not a bastion of Christianity, having duped the actors in the movie, who are extremely disturbed by being used for a propaganda video, ssince what they voiced was dubbed over. I think the actors should have some recourse in this matter.

    • Warthog0

      Whats up Tigerlily?

    • Warthog0

      Heraldo Rivera is right on it, a bit late but on is papering obama’s keester with some other distraction, like the interview with one of the duped actors, who obviously don’t know how to read and didn’t know what the movie was about… duh! The man is a total weeble wobble for obama and the liberal toilet. Maybe he should do a remake and update his Willowbrook story with a twist, Willowbrook WDC.

  • chuckb

    karolyn, this film is used by barry for an excuse of his failure in the middle east. this thing was planned long before the film came to attention, just another excuse for this administration and the rag heads to throw rocks at us.” bush must have produced the film”
    you would have to be a little weak between the ears to believe this administration blaming this film.

  • http://yahoo rick costello

    I notice comments comparing the crusades to these events. This is propaganda that is commonly used by islamist. The primary purpose of the crusades was to rescue Christians taken as slaves by muslim aggression. I recommend a book by William J. Federer ,What Every American Needs TO Know About the Qur’an. it is frightenly enlight.ening.And most muslims are for the destruction of westrn civilazation, there may be a very few who are not but they are very much in the minority

    • Kate8

      rick – Revisionist, PC, anti-Christian progressive history writers have portrayed the Crusades as a Christian onslaught against innocent Muslims. Muslims have portrayed themselves as victims of the Jews and Christians even as they have murdered, marauded and enslaved their way across the land everywhere they go.

      The goal has always been to stamp out all people and things of God. As with all things of the communist left, they have to denigrate one faction in order to elevate another. They always play peoples off against each other in order to further goals which no one would otherwise accept.

      Yes, the truth is that Muslims have slaughtered millions in their own crusade to conquer and dominate the world. The Crusades in Europe were when the Christians finally had all they could take and fought back.

      The same thing happened in Cosovo. Muslims were killing Christians, and Milosevich finally fought back. Of course, Clinton painted the Muslims as the victims of the ‘evil’ Christians who were but defending their homeland against slaughter, and sent our troops in to help the Muslims take over.

      Milosevich resisted the will of the PTB, and was made yet another of their victims. They topple any leader who won’t submit to them, as we see happening now in Islamic nations.

      • sam1966

        Well said Kate 8. They have been trying since the 1960′s to try to push God out of everything. They haven’t won yet and they never will. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • chuckb
    • Kim

      Sorry ChuckB, can’t hardly stand to listen to him anymore. Remember the outrage of the mainstream media when someone said he was a muslim? I laughed of course he is a muslim. I am so tired of seeing and hearing him EVERYWHERE. It reminds me of seeing the history channel with Hitler. and other dictators with their pictures hanging all over the place. This country is being dummmed down and brainwashed. i fear it is already to late to save it.

    • Michael Hennessy

      I am for one appalled at the lack of integrity that is shown here constantly. The Muslim President Video is a total farce. You people are smarter than that aren’t you Without question this video is clearly cut up, out of context, bad voice over work of propaganda. Yes yet another one. Yes folks Obama is a president who knows about Islam. Yes his father was Muslim and yes his mother was Christian. He has been baptised as a Christian and has attended christian services and yes muslim too. He knows and shows a balanced respect for both these and other religions. The constitution is clear on separation of church and state. This is what a president is suposed to do! What better President that one who knows both sides of these religions. The Muslims are the largest religious group in the world and we need to understand and show respect for the positives that have come from this part of the world. Yes people we have learned a lot from this part of the world. Of course there are extremists The USA has them too. Stop judging on a few and take a bigger look. Application of knowledge is intelligence. Respect for others is a part core of diplomacy. Mitt Romney a Mormon (yes he is christian) as the president to be the commander and chief in foreign policy with the Muslim world seems like plan for disaster.
      I for one, do not want more war. Do You?

      Obama 2012

      • Warthog0

        Since its a Stupid Question, can I take a minute to think about it, duh!

      • Warthog0

        And by the way…if you are going to use some one else’s work, put it in quotes, otherwise its plagiarism and theft. On the other hand its par for the course for radicalized democrats to parrot and repeat without original thought….STELLAR not!!

  • black as coal

    latinos should learn from the arabs.

  • chuckb

    black as coal, what is really funny , you people keep insulting the whites for what we have and at the same time living off the welfare. if the whites quit prospering what are you going to do then. like the blacks rioting every chance they get, something for nothing. it would be funny if all the whites left, what then, no welfare office, no free emergency room care, no food stamps and no free housing. dilemma, dilemma, dilemma! what would they loot then? of course you would have barry and the sharia law to live under, i see that works so well in africa, revolution every ten days. you guys make me laugh.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – That makes far too much sense for a Leftist to understand.

      I wonder if they’ve ever considered that. I’d say, no. They think the free ride can last forever.

      Historically, what happens when there is no longer a working class to support the welfare class? When there are too many people and too few jobs…

      Yep. They are eliminated. Culled. The useful idiots become no longer useful.

      • Michael Hennessy

        Kate8 as a lefty I actually do think a lot about how the economy works. Nobody (except the radical right) is actually saying that the Democrats want to give all the working class or even the rich’s money to the poor. You might want to pay some attention, because Mitt has not even revealed his plan. Ryan when pressed says they have not actually run the numbers yet….of course not.. no plan no numbers. Mitt has said he will reduce tax on the rich ,,,I hope you are making a million or so! Obama has said he will cut tax for the middle class and tax the rich. Back to levels that were in place when we had a good economy and everybody was happy. PS back then we had even more social programs than we do now AND everybody was better off ….Wow that makes sense! isn’t that just amazing!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Michael Hennessy, O can say whatever he wants but that does not mean he will “help” the middle class. Destroy it, yes most certainly. Middle class is the bane of the Leftists. It is the third strand of a rope that gives it strength. It is the middle class that gives strength to the US, destroy that and we will be as worthless as the rest of the world.

      • Michael Hennessy

        Obama has compiled a STELLAR record given the circumstances under which he took office. If you can look at this list of 200 real and positive accomplishments and not be excited, you have a serious problem with perspective.

        Obama has already given the middle class 18 different tax breaks. He is the one working to promote the Middle Class. Mitt is a member of the “puppeteers” he is a member of wall streets “leveraged buyout” or “pirate raider” experts. He is rich from taking money and jobs from the working class. He made himself and a few rich backers a lot of money. He did not create or build anything. ALL his money is from financial leverage / stock schemes. The real wealth and job creators of the past did that with factory’s and constructions, automobiles, bridges, bricks and mortar. The money of wall street is just a bubble. That bubble popped in 2008! Romney is going to help his rich buddies blow it up again …. IT WILL POP AGAIN. You and most of America will loose big time if he is elected. It is the elite that are creating the false rumours about Obama. He did not create the crash of 2008. He was not in office. George Bush, the mortgage / financial, wall street gang are FULLY responsible.

        Have a look at this site , all of the 200 Obama Accomplishments are referenced using reputable sources. Go on! do yourself and America a real favor take a honest look at it. Try to forget all the propaganda for a moment.

        http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

        Signed
        Fellow Human

        • http://att.net biteme

          michael you are an idiot ,obummer was a united states senator and you buy that crap he didnt know how bad things were is because he did not do his job as senator of the state of kenyon, oh excuse me the state of illinois. the dems took control of congress in 2006 and congress is the only ones who can spend tax money, he is a blooming idiot just as all you libs are because you want cover your eyes to the problems because you voted for him , so before you pop your mouth off, learn the facts that he is just in over his head or trying to destroy america , we will vote him , harry, and the botox queen nancy pelois out and you libs are more than welcome to move and i will send you the boxes to packup. this is not obummers america ,THIS IS THE PEOPLE’S AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Frank

          Went to the link you provided, saw a wonderfull democratic campaign forum.

          However, in reading the “wonderful” accomplishment list (and support links) I found that it tells the truth that the republicans have been saying all along. He has created more costly oversight commissions, spent billions of dollars on his pet projects.

          He has illegally signed executive orders to bypass congress approvals.

          He is forcing us to pay for health insurance that nobody really wants or needs.

          It lied about his record for getting votes in congress. over 95%? bs, most everything he tried was voted down.

          Transparency? another lie, he has more secrets than a con artist.

          Pushing for mandatory “green energy” how in the seven shades of HE!! is that beneficial to our economy?

          Only a delusional mind can say the 200 things listed are good for our country.

      • Warthog0

        Sorry Kate @Nadzieja Batki “Michael Hennessy, O can say whatever”…..Nadzieja, you keep posting stuff like this an I am going to start regretting the banderillas I placed into your back and maybe start composing an apology.

  • chuckb

    you have it right kate8,

  • http://www.facebook.com/joelscopeland Joel Copeland

    Ben, your parting comment had me in stitches! Can you imagine Las Vegas as a Federal Penitentiary, like in “Escape From New York”? Once you lose your shirt, you can’t go home for another one! lol If you spent more than five minutes off the strip, you’d know why I loathe that place so much. Great place for ALL ousted politicians for the remainder of their lives! (“Sorry kiddies, you don’t get to run up to Lake Tahoe anymore!”)

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  • Kate8

    Has any of you seen the news that the UN Small Arms Treaty has passed?

    So, what’s next? According to the militia, such action would be viewed as a declaration of war against we the people.

    http://keystoliberty.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/u-n-small-arms-treaty-passes-what-is-next/

  • chuckb

    kate8, since when is the un legislating laws for us? they can stand on their head and barry with them. if this is true the amercian people should resort to rebellion.remove the un from our shores, this should be done anyway.

  • Kate8

    chuckb – Of course, you are technically correct. However, those in government seem to have dismissed the idea that we are a sovereign nation with a Constitution. They consider us now as members of the UN, called the TPP (TransPacific Partnership –

    http://www.disclose.tv/news/TPP_Three_Days_to_Stop_the_Corporate_Death_Star/85965)

    and under the NWO. I’m sure you’ve noticed that Obama is turning out one EO and UN treaty after another, with absolutely no regard for his lack of authority to do so under the Constitution.

    They intend to confiscate all guns, one way or another, whatever it takes.

    • Michael Hennessy

      Kate8 I wonder if you can produce any real documents supporting your claims? The TPP is a trade agreement and is designed to help with jobs by working in a cooperative effort with countries we do business with. America is not an island, and we must compete on the world stage if we are to prosper. Please show us how this would not be a positive benefit to our economy and increase freedom to business in more foreign countries.

      How about the small arms treaty? I did a search of the “documents” provided on the sites in these links and found nothing but forgeries.. Have you got any real documents?

      • Warthog0

        “and found nothing but forgeries.. Have you got any real documents?” Very interesting…Where is your proof and are you an expert in the field…

        • Michael Hennessy

          Hello Kate8
          Yes it has occurred to me that the whole thing is planned and that the “power elite” control it all. And yes I have searched much and read more and contemplate it often.
          I am not a fool. I am not in Stupor. I know that I have been lied to by my Government. I know that there is a powerful, rich “elite” that have some control over what “happens” But here is a deeper truth. We give them that power. “They” cannot continue without us because we are the producers of the industry and the generators that continue to produce wealth. “They” cannot be rich without the middle class. You cannot sell products to the poor, they know that. Where we spend our money is one of the most important choices we make.

          The Government is not completely under a spell nor do they do not move about only as robots on “remote control”. We can and must demand more from OUR Government. IF we can separate the propaganda from the truth, much of wich has been created by those who are attempting to control society and more out of our own paranoid fear. We can then move without that fear, fear created expressly to control us. We CAN regain some control in our government and our lives. Division between class and by religion is one of the oldest and most effective tools used against society. It is being used here now. The idea of scrapping the government is impossible, and holding a defeatist, we can do nothing attitude is completely useless so we must work with what we have. We as the voting, income spending middle class also have some powerful tools, they are knowledge, unity and the power of choice. We can make change and we can do it with a vote. Right now we are faced with a very important choice and I personally think Obama is by far the better one.

          Wide Awake
          Human

      • Warthog0

        Mike Hennessy, You had it right up until “Obama is by far the better one.” Of all the things you could have found to abuse, you chose your mind. I was enthused when I began reading you post, you seemed to be on the right track, then fell off the face of reality. You pretend to be a “lefty”, have you ever lived under a socialist or communist regime, and the last 3.5 years don’t count. Believe me, you would not like it sam I am, you wouldn’t like GE&H.

        Go to Coney Island or Orchard Beach NY and talk to some of the Russian and Ukrainian people there and ask them why they are not back “Главная страницаi” (home)and not just the Jewish immigrants, they are here through additional consequences of their birth. Come down to Miami; ask the local Cubans and Venezuelans how it’s working out for them and families still left behind. Check out the Chinese illegal’s in SF and NY and ask them why they are here why it’s worth the risk, living the life of a sardine for months at sea, just to live and work here. Ask the illegal’s from south of our border, and no they are not all Mexicans, they come thru Mexico though; the walk from Guatemala is pleasanter than the swim across the gulf. Why do they come here, even during this horrendous economic downturn and malaise that has turned the world’s sphincter raw; get your head out of there cause the answer is a no brainer for a smart boychick.

        The life on the ground is a lot different for the kulaks of the world than for the card carrying members of the socialist elite or any elite for that matter. And different still when experienced in some far away California king bed, where the only sweat you experience is due to the down comforter up under you arms while you read about the славный сон(glorious dream).
        This putrid and vile Plato’s Republic. A vast government beehive created to support a hierarchy of worker, soldier drone, and queen bee, all at whose expense? Some 1.9 odd Billion dollars a year to support our Queen Bee in WDC, and it is just for his upkeep and you see nothing wrong with this? There is nothing out of proportion in this for you? There are millions upon millions of people in this country that would still rather be free and live of the land and graze like untamed goats than be fed slop in a trough and eat like pigs. Откройте ваши глаза товарищ (Open your eyes comrade), make a good choice. До свидания!

  • chuckb

    kate8, you are right this administration is trying to manipulate the constitution and no doubt would love to confiscate our arms, however, i think barry is treading on dangerous waters, if he and hillary think for a minute they can get away with this. the last i remember hillary was working on some kind of resolution with the un on a small arms treaty, congress wouldn’t dream of attempting to push anything like that through, even some of the bolsheviks would be afraid of touching that one. the main thing now is getting barry out of the white house, the real problem now is voter fraud, the seiu has been working on the illegal vote and the bolshevik judges throughout the country are attempting to stop all voter id laws. this is the most dangerous election in my lifetime, these bolsheviks have to be stopped or our freedom and country is lost. when and if the republicans win this time, we must change the party and get rid of the rino element. the democrat party no longer exists, they are now the socialist party of america (bolsheviks)

    • http://att.net biteme

      AMEN BROTHER,LET THEM ALL FRY IN HEL$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • chuckb

      i might add, barry will no doubt if re-elected make an attempt to curtail arm sales and possession. the bolsheviks have opened the door for him to use executive orders at will.

      • nc

        Chuckb, bolsheviks???? You are afraid of bolsheviks?? Same for mean pussy cats and the dark?? You are THE poster child for paranoia!!!!!

  • nnicko

    To Michael Hennessy: You have to quit smoking the b.s. paper your reading….If you stop now your can save a small portion of your brain and have somewhat of a memory to go to the bathroom by yourself!

    • Mike Hennessy

      That’s it is ? I am so dissatisfied that the best you intellectuals can come up with is your completely baseless assumption that I am smoking something. I had hoped that you could prove that making wild guesses was not really the standard mode of operation. Like I said disappointed but not at all surprised. I would like to have an intelligent conversation and perhaps learn and even gain some understanding.. Not much hope of that here it appears.

      • Frank

        You are sooooo right Mike, I have read all the posts (yours) and see that there is no possibility of an intelligent conversation with you.

        NAME YOUR SUBJECT, PICK YOUR FACTS, SHOW ME YOUR PROOF. GET OFF YOUR IMAGINARY DIATRIBE AND LETS DISCUSS THE TRUTH. THE REAL TRUTH, NOT WHAT IS JUST IN YOUR MIND.

      • Michael Hennessy

        OK Frank, if you have read my posts, you will know I have challenged the ideas that TPP is a corporate “Death Star” as per Kate8′s link. The idea that the Small Arms Agreement means Americans will lose the right to bear arms ” They are coming to take the guns away said chicken little…Bbaaa ba baaack!” What is that right? Unlimited? Can I have a rocket launcher please?

        How about an intelligent conversation aout who is really at fault for producing that video, and most importantly, what responsibilities the use of free speech carries with its rights? Who is to blame if you yell fire in a crowded theater? I have put them all on the table Frank… What have you got.

        • Frank

          I am not yet familiar with the TPP of the UN so will have to wait to get into that one later.

          As to the small arms treaty, with associated legislation in congress. Yes it does not take away all guns from us however it does violate the constitution by abridging our right to bear arms. Any law that takes away a RIGHT is wrong. I have the right to own my 30 shot magazine (clip) weapon for my personal use and nobody, especially someone like you, can take that right away. Grenades are not covered by the right to bear arms so what is your point of bringing up grenade launchers.

          NO the constitution does not say I have the right to own every type of weapon imaginable so, missiles, nukes, hand grenades, rocket launchers are out of the question.

          Can you be more specific on what you are arguing?

          And to the other stupid post you made remarking on my logic ability, my profession is predicated on the use of logic so I am immersed in it daily. Where do you get your expertise in logic?

      • Mike Hennessy

        I note as reference, that even your reply is a typical tactic of the illogical thought I find here so often Frank. You managed a simpe mimick of my post, not unlike like a child would. I’m not fat, YOU are nah na.. is that your A game Frank?

        • Frank

          still waiting for you to find some logic to use against me. Keep trying

      • Warthog0

        So who is responsible for the video, lay it out on the table, don’t dance around it, the C optics,the Byzantine Christians, the Jews, the other Christians, the Jihadist, the spooks posing as the thursday night bowling league. Tell us and why you think so.

      • Michael Hennessy

        Warthog
        i dont know who did the video. My opinion on that makes no difference. In my opinion what does matter is that we as Americans own up to the responsibilities that surely must accompany our rights. We should show the world that we will not allow our right of free speech to shield anyone that would be found guilty of producing a malicious video with deadly intentions. I do not believe the right to free speech should protect a person or persons who would use that right to incite a angry mob in a foreign country knowing the result could be deadly. When the 1st amendment was written there was no internet or method of communication that would allow a single person or small group to have this level of impact on the world and at this rate of velocity. Consider how volatile the situation in the middle east was and still is. How much responsibility lies with the person(s) who poor gasoline in and then offer a match?

        Would you prosecute someone who maliciously created a deadly stampede in a crowded theater by yelling fire? Or, do you let him off scot free while you bury your dead?

      • Warthog0

        Mike Hennessy,
        I am in total agreement with you and have expressed and posted similar thoughts on other threads. There is a responsibility that comes with ones inalienable rights. These responsibilities are as clear as the tags that come attached to a brand new pillow. As is often quoted ad nausea, “yelling fire” in a church has distinctly different repercussions than in flagrante delicto letting a wet one rip in the church pew.
        How do you distinguish that the person exercising said first amendment rights understands them, is a citizen of this country, cares for the ideals and premise of this country is not a foreigner on vacation and on and on. Each person has an agenda and it ain’t congruent with the best intents of the laws of this country. So, the question or rather the answer seeking a question is; was the intent of the “movie” fulfilled and the answer is a resounding yes, if and only if, the resultant violent reaction across 20 Islamic nations was indeed a catalytic reaction to it. On the other hand it is within the realm of possibility that the “movie” is a red herring and a reuse to deflect any semblance of a premeditated act of terrorism. Now I personally think the latter.
        There is a penchant for symbolism and numerology and none more prevalent than in the Arab and Persian and Islamic cultures. Why one would not contemplate the possibility of a terrorist attack or event to commemorate 9/11 commensurate with the 11th anniversary of this heinous attack on our country, is beyond my comprehension. It is even more bizarre that we had at least three days warning that the embassies and consulates across the globe were in eminent peril. The conflagration that would have taken months to spread across the face of Islam took hours to engulf our sovereign soil in more than 20 countries.
        So who gains and who looses, who is to blame. The Coptic Christians whose focus in this film, if they produced it, was to bring attention to their plight in Egypt, made as bad a choice in subject matter, as was the artistic quality and production of the film. The next usual suspect is the supposed Jewish backer of the film, I don’t know that the Jewish community needs any more attention than they already can handle. Unless one says that it was a lasso around the neck of the American mustang to drag it into the fray of an escalating Israeli Arab conflict in the Middle East. The truth is something we, you and I will probably never know. We can and will bounce a million scenarios off of the ether walls but never quite get the satisfaction of what the truth is.

      • Michael Hennessy

        Warthog
        I appreciate your difference of opinion and if you really want to vote for the corporate raider who is the poster child for the type of thinking that is at the root of this financial collapse well ok your choice. You do seem to me to be a man with some intelligence though so it does surprise me.

        You have asked if I have lived under a socialist regime. The answer is Absolutely yes. I have lived and traveled overseas for many years. I have been an immigrant in a foreign land. I have earned money and paid tax in a very socialist country. I have enjoyed the benefits of a universal medical system when I crashed a motorcycle and was well cared for with no bill to pay for my care. I have noticed far less homelessness, and less crime. Yes I have talked to the Chinese, the Japanese the Cambodians, Australians, New Zealanders the Turks, the Afghans, the Iraqis, Europeans, Lebanese, Mexicans and many more. I speak to other humans of every race and every religion as often as I can. I spend time to listen, really listen to their life stories. I honestly try to understand the history of their societies their cultures and their religions. Yes Muslims and Christians too.. I can tell you from real experience that the 320 million who call ourselves Americans ( and are a wonderful mix of all of the above peoples) in the USA are only a small part of this planet of 7 Billion Humans. I can tell you with no reservation, but with saddened embarrassment, that much of the world considers the USA to be a poor global citizen, yes even an ignorant bully. If you look at our recent record, they really do have a valid point. Sorry folks, it’s true. Our greedy unbridled capitalistic driven, financial collapse was the domino effect that caused financial stress in the rest of the world. Nobody is too happy about that. Our single minded drive to place our own social values at any cost into societies and cultures where they are not wanted causes much pain and significant anger. We must learn more respect for others and their ways.

        I know this will be a big tipping point so I will make this as clear as I can..

        I DO NOT CONDONE ATTACKS or VIOLENCE AGAINST the USA. Nor un-warranted attacks FROM the USA.

        We just need to be clear and honest with ourselves and the reasons we are involving ourselves in THEIR countries.. MAYBE just maybe “we” have some not so very noble and not so humanitarian reasons? MAYBE we are retaliating for “unjust” perhaps even “internally manufactured” reasons? IF so who is the villain? I am a proud American I love our great country and I consider myself a true patriot. As an AMERICAN I acknowledge that we have done much that is wrong and ALSO MUCH THAT IS RIGHT. As Americans and global citizens ( dont go all NWO or religious on me here people we are all humans! ) MAYBE we need to have a really good and truly honest look at why so much of the world is REALLY unhappy with US…MAYBE just maybe they have some legitimate criticism that we could learn from?

        As for the truth of who created the riot in Libya … Yes you are right, the video could be a red herring. There are undoubtably other “players” in this game. We must however recognize that a mob is much easier to push into a violent, even murderous attack if many of the unwary participants already have good reason(s) to be angry with the intended target = USA. So yes the whole truth may never be known. What we can do however is ensure that those who have been found to be instigators be held responsible. Those who have perpetrated crimes be punished. in our country showing the world we are willing to investigate those who produced that video. And if found guilty of malicious intent, prosecute them to the full extent of our laws. We must expect the same from Libya for those responsible in their country. Who knows, a real investigation into this on our end may uncover some (not so ) surprising suspects, dont you think?

        Yes Warthog I know why many global citizens do risk much including their life to come here and take a shot and making their life better. In the past, that was a pretty good bet, we had much to offer and many of them came here and worked hard to build a good life. In doing so they added much to our economy, creating business or working for others. Yes many have used our “welfare” to get started and for support. That support my friend has been a core part of building America from our beginnings. We have paid immigrants to come here and when they got they could have land free if they just built anything there and developed it. We have forgotten how to build up America. It has always been done by working together and that will be the answer again.

        Aware and Awake
        Human
        Obama 2012

  • Merl Elton

    Even the “nice, peaceful” ones will never openly protest attacks against the US–that is what concerns me.

  • Michael Hennessy

    OK I play it your way. I will take

    Lets start with some foundational historic facts.

    The fiscal crash occurred prior to Obamas presidency when he took office 20th Jan of 2009. Here is a simple time line for the highlights. http://useconomy.about.com/od/Financial-Crisis/a/Stock-Market-Crash-2008.htm

    Your claim that he has spent uncontrolled billions on “pet projects” A very subjective claim as to what is a pet project. So lets look at the budget. Obama actually turned down the rate of spending increase from the Bush administration ‘s increases and under who’s management the crash in the financial mortgage and stock markets occurred.
    Forbes says he spent less than any president since Enisnhower

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

    These charts show the downward trend.

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/9069/has-obama-spent-more-than-any-other-u-s-president-in-history-yes-and-no

    There is no argument that Obama has spent a lot of money. I would would argue that he has done so in ways that have successfully turned an economy that was in total free fall in 2008 to one that is now creating more jobs. The Stock market is in the rise and the housing fall stabilised.
    One example is the fact that he enabled the US Auto industry to turn from bankruptcy toward an accelerated recovery is indisputable. Yes it cost 80 Billion that we did not have. Right now that 80 is about 50% paid back. The rest will be paid back by a industry that is in recovery and kept 3 million workers on the payroll. Those workers are paying taxes that are adding to the tax revenue stream, and will for many years into the future. The Auto industry is major piece of American infrastructure that would be financially devastating to loose. Clearly smart policy.

    • Kate8

      Michael H – Did it not ever occur to you that anyone who runs for high office is the pick of the global elites who run everything? That they own the media, and will hype the candidates that they want to win?

      Don’t you see that they pick BOTH sides, and if their preference should fail to gain office (because of say, a heart attack or accident), they have it covered by anyone who might step in?

      To defend Obama, or any of the others, is proof that you don’t understand how things work. Blaming Bush for Obama’s sad state of affairs is ludicrous, as Bush had his orders and his part to play, and Obama now has his. None of them make any decisions…they play a role… read from a script.

      Any arguments borne of partisan thinking are, at the outset, useless. Do some research and figure out that our entire system is a sham, and then, maybe, we’ll have something to discuss.

      And, BTW, don’t ask me to present you with proof of anything. You know how to use a search engine. Do it yourself, draw you own conclusions… just like the rest of us do. But I would suggest that you expand your horizons beyond leftist rags. Say, some places which have understanding of the R/L game and have moved beyond it. There are some. You take bits and pieces from many sources and then start to connect the dots. It’s more time consuming than just reaffirming your ideological stance, but truth is always worth it in the end.

      And, BTW, your arguments about how the economy is so improving are stunning. I don’t know what planet you are living on, but I’d like to go there. It sure isn’t like that in this reality. This plan to crash the US has been in the works for a century, and is in its final stages. Not Clinton, Bush, nor Obama could have stopped it. Nor did they want to. They are going to sit at the top for their cooperation in our demise. Maybe. Unless they decide Obama is just too big an arrogant fool to be worth the trouble.

      The FED had a 100year contract to handle our money, from 1913 until the end of 2012. It was planned to milk our economy, rob us blind, enslave us, and then crash the whole thing in the end as the banksters move to plunder other nations. We’ve been used, controlled, sytematically corrupted, and are now are about to pay the price for dealing with the devil.

      Sad that you are still, like most folks, caught up in the false paradigm of R/L thinking. May lightning strike you (figuratively, of course) and rouse you out of that stupor.

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