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Newt Is No RINO

December 7, 2011 by  

Newt Is No RINO

A few years ago, conservatives disappointed with the statist brand of Republicanism that was becoming ever more prevalent in Washington, D.C., developed the term “RINO” and began branding big-spending, big-government Republicans with the term. It’s an acronym for Republican In Name Only.

The term was heard often during the 2008 Republican Presidential primary campaign and was used to describe John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and others. The term was also used to describe a number of House and Senate candidates targeted by the Tea Party in the 2010 midterm elections.

But the term is a fallacy that arises from a false premise: that the Republican Party is the party of small government. The fallacy developed during the Barry Goldwater years and picked up again with Ronald Reagan. Since Reagan, the party propaganda machine has done its job well, convincing the masses of something that is not and never has been so.

Goldwater, never a darling of the Republican establishment, fought the liberal (or Rockefeller) wing of the Republican Party and tried to drive it to the right. But in truth, the Republican establishment has always been about growing government, and that’s why neither Goldwater nor Reagan was embraced by the Party elites.

In other words, the Republican Party is and always has been a statist party. Now, Newt Gingrich is leading the Republican pack and trying to paint himself as a conservative. But Gingrich is a big-government, anti-gun insider who gamed the system for millions of dollars in lobbying fees by playing the corporatist game once he left Congress. In other words, Newt is no RINO. He’s Republican through and through, just like Romney, McCain, Giuliani, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, et al.

So Newt is no RINO. Nor is he conservative.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Whatever The Newt is, I need him around in politics like I need to be neck-deep in utopians. Both options s u c k.

    • http://Facebook Elizabeth Cristiani

      Obama has the US in Quiremire – Newt will pull the US “UP” and out of the deep/sinking situation Obama has thrown us into – do You want to become a Kenya??????

      • http://drgerni.com JBG

        With Newt it will be the same…business as usual…just like bush/clinton/bush/obama. Mr. Anti Gun

        • Think about it

          Amen to that

      • amarq

        The frying pan or the fire. You prefer a different Lier and Chief? A vote for Newt is a vote for a police state devoit fo constitutional freedoms, a vote for the globalists, likely the last vote you will ever be allowed to cast. Its time to wake up!

      • Fubert Bar

        Newt would certainly be a better choice than obama, …. but only marginally. Certainly, anyone’s better than obama, but Newt is still big government, and would only slow the decline. What we need is someone to lead us in a complete 180 turn from the direction we’re heading.
        ………….. Vote Ron Paul

        • Edward Chandler

          Anyone would be better than Obama,we could take some one out of a mental institution,out them in the white house and we would be better off than being governed by this Muslim and his gang of gangsters

        • Brian

          THAT is what I’m talking about!

        • bob wire

          Well Sir, you are entitled to your opinion but Newt is not good for anyone or anything other then Newt. It was Newt and conservatives friend( with the help of a few democrats) that are largely responsible for today’s affairs and had us miring for 11 years in a Wars to Nowhere.

          Newt separates himself for the rest of the republican “RINO” field by being a Carpet bagging, Snake in the Grass that would steal money out of his grandmother’s purse while knowing he’d get caught at it.

          My personal opinion of “O” is much higher then that.

          • Fred

            That makes you a mOron by yOur Own admission!!!

          • Joe H.

            bob wire, name one true conservative that helped salamander man!!! Just because they have an “R” before their name does NOT make them conservatives! I know you have had this explained to you before. Thick skulled:???

        • DaveH
          • amagi

            Yes, DaveH, now we are talking ! Thank you.

        • http://www.foundersrevolution.net Patriot1776

          What’s with this “anybody but Obama” talk that conservatives chastized liberal’s for when they said “anybody but Bush”? When the Libs said the same thing, conservatives seemed to understand the folly of this type of thinking. How it is what leads to dictators, power seekers, and genocidal maniacs. How it is a dangerous way to think….Suddenly conservatives are using the same thinking as the libs? Just substitute the name. Let’s think before we vote. I am not saying Obama isn’t dangerous….I am saying to go with “whoever can beat Obama is a game we shouldn’t play because we might end up with someone worse.

        • June

          Fubart-you said “anyone would be better than obama”; you are mistaken; I can think of several who would be just as bad, or even “worse” – -starting with “billary clintonista”!

      • JayP

        Newt is a Globalist which means he favors global government as evidenced by many of his votes and beliefs and one example in particular, his support of the Climate Change agenda with Nancy Pelosi. Submitting to Climate Change legilation puts us under the the authority of the UN, another step to being under a global government.
        Vote for Newt if you want to give up US Sovereignty.

        • APN

          Newt has stated numerous times that this was one of his biggest mistakes he’s ever made. When asked in Greenville, SC, did he believe in Global Warming, he answered “We don’t know”. The fact is, WE DO NOT know and anyone who says otherwise are politically motivated…..simple as that.

          • Joe H.

            APN,
            What you say only serves to further prove that Salamander Man flip-flops as thepressure dictates!

          • APN

            JoeH,, In the past your comments seem to echo a person of reason not a thought process driven by emotional content. What I said was FACTUAL and to the point, nothing more or less.

            I clearly understand the fact that you do not like Newt, however, that means nothing to me, as far as my opinion of this man.

            In fact, I have followed him for YEARS and have many issues with him. I also have MANY issues with Ron Paul.

          • JC

            APN going by your post, it seems Newt isn’t very consistent. Didn’t he make a commercial with Pelosi endorsing the Global Warming propoganda? So which is it, he’s sensible and understands the hoax. or he’s for sale to the highest bidder?

            I don’t trust the guy in anything he says or does.

          • APN

            As I said, he clearly stated that this was a big mistake. Do you mean to tell me that a person should be excluded as a candidate for making mistakes? If so, I guess the only man standing would be Ron Paul or has he ever made a mistake?

            Do you make mistakes or have you changed your opinion on an issue before? I know I certainly have. In fact, after a 1/2 century of life, my stand has changed on many many issues.

            Is Newt the same guy he was back in the 90′s? I don’t think so, he has matured and is an elderly statesman that understands what needs to be done to get this nation back on the right track and moving again. i.e.; Economic productivity

          • JC

            APN, you’re right everyone makes mistakes.
            But Newt has made a habitt of endorsing anti-American policies.
            See the “partial” list I posted below. The actual list was so long Mr. Livingston shortened it by about half.
            No Newt is Good Newt. ;)

          • APN

            Well JC…Show me a candidate that can defeat AMABO and you have my attention. Please do not suggest Ron Paul, it ain’t going to happen, my friend.

          • JC

            APN, The only thing slowing down Ron Paul is a globalist/banker controlled media. And if not Ron Paul with his impeccably Constitutional morals and a career of choices that back that up, I would say, better to have Obama. At least the Kenyan might inspire Americans to a the level of anger and righteous indignation necessary to spark some real change. A RINO will only placate a certain portion of the center/right and have us on another path of lies and the road to globalism. I want American sovereignty back and I don’t see that coming from Newt or Mitt. Those guys are bought and paid for.

          • APN

            JC, ALL politicians are bought an paid for! Always have been and always will be. The only thing that will change Washington is you and I, not a politician.

      • theodorej

        OooNgohah…. Mooboota… We already are … Just take a look at who is running the school systems,police departments and majority of mayors…enough is enough …. let us means test every person in a position of authority… This testing should be conducted on an interlectual level with an emphasis on character… This affirmative action crap has littered our federal,state and local governments with gross incompetence….

        • Gman

          Dear Theodore: Maybe if the people had instigated your philosophy BEFORE all of the amazingly SMART people of the majority had run this country into the GROUND, someone from the ignorant minority might have a snowball’s chance in the great big “H” to rectify the situation that our country is in. But alas, we need more ANGLO’S to come in and fix the situation that only “they” could “intellectualize” upon in the first place. After all, the only thing a minority is good for is doing the “dirty” work, like building this country from the ground up. Anglo’s have always had a very bad habit of abandoning things in the pursuit of self aggrandizement. Look at the empty buildings all across America. Once a powerful testament to capitalism, then suddenly left behind because the potential to make money dried up. How come you guys don’t heed the words of the Father that you say you trust in ? “In God we trust” is on our money. But you don’t trust in God. You trust in the person who has the most money, and you continually seek to be that person over all else. The Bible says that “the love of money is the root of all evil”. No wonder we’re in the mess we’re in. The politician with the most money usually wins the election. Do most people get their money by looking out for and being fair concerning the other guy ? You great American thinkers need to wise up, consider who it is that puts the butter on your bread, and take heed to what He said for you to do in your conduct. otherwise we’re all doomed.

          • Jim

            Actually, your quote of the Bible is not fully correct, most people mistake what you said for this verse:
            1 Timothy 6:10
            For the love of money is A root of all KINDS of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
            Hopefully you can see the difference.

          • Descendent of the Founders

            Unless you read Aramaic, you have never really read the Bible… translations are always tempered by the attitude of the translator. One must use one’s own judgement to find the real truth on scripture, but literal quotes are by their very nature at least two steps removed from the original.

          • http://none YesMan

            Gman you are simply a racist. Jim, his verse was correct. The KJV was the first version written in English. Here it is.

            1 Timothy 6:10

            King James Version (KJV)

            10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

          • Gman

            Yes Man: I have never been a racist. I simply state the facts. White Americans have run this country into the ground. I make this statement because white Americans have run this country from it’s inception. And due to their stewardship of the gifts that God bestowed upon this country BECAUSE you are the descendants of the ten tribes of Israel that God gave His blessing to, He has turned His Face from US.-Because you break His covenants (Laws, He has seen fit to show you His power and eliminate yours. If you think that I am the racist, what about the great people who brought my descendants to America as slaves against their will to “tend” your garden ? As usual, when confronted with the truth, Anglo’s like you get all politically correct whenever it suits your cause. I really, really feel sorry for you.

          • libertytrain

            Gman are you forgetting who sold the slaves and who some of the first slaveowners were and who were some of the first that brought slaves in? It’s not only the “white” people, it was all races of people… but if you feel you must just blame some…

          • APN

            Gman… Actually is was the 12 tribes an a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. That could mean a government, another person, drugs, booze, sex, money, etc etc etc.

            Better research the origins of slavery first before you cast your misguided stones.

            Slavery, my fellow man, has been around since the beginning of time, so please do not suggest that the “White” man has some kind of patten on this issue.

            Fact is, the way I see it, we are ALL currently SLAVES to Washington regardless of the color of our skin.

          • Joe H.

            Gman,
            what about the slavery going on in the middle east right NOW?? Is THAT run by white eletes?? Please do not attempt to say it isn’t going on, either as it most definately IS! When you make a blanket statement like that, you accuse ALL whites of slavery. I have never owned ANYONE and my ancestors were dead set against it. Part of the problem with the economy in this country is due to the welfare state we have become poor of all colors are getting paid too much money to just sit on their azzes and do nothing. It can not go on! It is bankrupting this country. This problem was instigated by both Whites AND Blacks i this country and to blame one race is just plain STUPID!!

          • JC

            Wow G-Man! That was amazingly racist. So any of the African governments that have a history of functioning so well must have been run by Anglos right? No wait, wasn’t Idi Amin a black guy?
            I mean it’s getting harder to tell all the time…

            And look at how modern and wonderful the major cities of Africa are too, Johennesburg, a world class area with architecture and…no wait, that’s been trashed hasn’t it?

            Ok, Nairobi! Now there’s a monument to good city planning.
            Only about 1 million people living in squalor there…
            but they have a nice airport.

            Given their obvious success, maybe we could hire one of their politicians to run the USA! Oh wait we already did and the country is going down the tubes.

            It isn’t about color moron. I’d vote Alan Keyes in a heart beat.
            Obama is a Globalist who couldn’t care less about any people…black or white.

      • VRG

        If Newt does in the future what he’s done in the past, he will do what Obama’s doing – only at a slower rate, which will make people think he’s not doing it at all. Frankly, I hope his unethical behavior catches up with him before he has a chance of being elected.

        • APN

          Newt, as President, can’t do anything outside of the consent of Congress other than an Executive Order or through the War Powers Act. Both can be solved with legislative action very quickly. In fact, the CONGRESS can IMPEACH the President, and history teaches us that fact.

          Or, The Supreme Court can strike down LAWS passed by the congress and the president. i.e.; OBAMACARE…. and it’s about to happen.

          The President is a sales executive, plain and simple. If he or she can’t sell his or her agenda to the CONGRESS, then guess what, it ain’t going to happen! This office is not a dictatorship, even if Ron Paul holds the office.

          Our Government has checks and balances to prevent any given ONE person or body from expanding the government, etc etc etc. Neither Newt or Ron Paul can come into this office and magically fix this disaster in Washington. Now, President Ron Paul can try but he easily can be told NO and there is not a darn thing he can do about it!

          Remember Bill Clinton, he was told NO numerous times. Thank GOD!

          Bottom line, if you want to fix Washington, then it must be done at the grass roots level throughout all levels of Government.

          • Joe H.

            APN,
            Abummer has gotten us into two actions already by option you speak of and has not been told NO by anybody!! He will soon try to ban firearms by presidential decree as well, mark my words!! He can’t by the constitution, you say? He doesn’t give a dam about the constitution and NEVER will!!!

          • APN

            ….then what is the CONGRESS or the Supreme Court doing about it JoeH?

            Both have the power to stop it at any given moment. Re-read what I just stated about HOW our government works and what is needed to fix it…ie.; GRASS ROOTS or better put….WE THE PEOPLE

      • Old Henry

        Elizabeth:

        Do some investigation of Newtie and what he did, not what he said he did. He is stronly anti-gun / anti-gun owner. He is a Globalist.

        Please go to http://www.ronpaul2012.com and learn what he believes. Do not listen to the MSM or the GOP.

        Newtie is morally BANKRUPT and yet another Trojan Horse.

      • Old Henry

        Here is a little something on Newtie.

        http://www.texemarrs.com/choice_for_2012.htm

      • Jack Coleman

        A match up between Newt and Obama would be the best thing that could ever happen for the Democrats.
        If we didn’t learn NOT to let the mainstream news media and slanted debates choose the Republican candidate like they did in the last Presidential election. We will suffer another 4 years of Obama rule and I don’t think the country,as we know it, will survive.

    • Mushin

      HE’S A RINO – A LIAR, A DISGRACE TO THE OATH OF HIS OFFICE AND A TURNCOAT.

      When are Americans going to wake up!?

      Any of you who vote for any other beside Ron Paul will regret your mistake the same way you’ve regretted voting for B. Obama. Heed my warning.

      • Braley

        Absolutely True. This why he is being ignored and given very little time in the debates by the controlled liberal media.

      • jbrandma

        Seriously…Ron Paul…pro abortion..supports drug legalization…he’s only a fiscal conservative…we need a Christian…someone that supports Israel..prolife and most of all pro God…will support Ameria…wo
        uld love to see Rick Santorum higher n polls ..God help us!!!

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear jbrandma,

          Dr. Paul is a Christian. He is not pro abortion and he believes drug legislation is best left up the States. If you are ignorant of Dr. Paul’s positions, please study them here: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/. If you are lying, go away. Your lies will not be allowed to stand here.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • Brian

          Rick Santorum is a ‘Christian’(which I’m not sure about) but he is not a true conservative like Ron Paul…RON PAUL for president in 2012 – any other vote will be a vote to flush this country down the tubes – HECK, I’m not so sure that even Ron Paul can do the job this country needs…After all, he has to convince the other 435 members of the Senate and House to go along with him!

          • Mushin

            RON PAUL IS NOT JESUS CHRIST BUT HE’S THE CLOSEST THING TO A SAVIOR WE WILL EVER HAVE – BE “SAVED” BY HIM AND ACCEPT HIM AS THE MESSIAH OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY OR CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE CHEATS AND LIARS REPRESENTING US….AND BURN IN THE PATH TO HELL THEY ARE LEADING DOWN.

          • Old Henry

            Santorum appears to be too stupid to be POTUS after his comment that he thought the issue of Little Barry’s eligibilty had been settled.

          • Old Henry

            Mushin:

            Be careful with that “savior” stuff. We’ve recently been that route.

          • DaveH

            It’s up to us, Brian, to convince the members of the house and senate to go along with Paul. It’s time for some Roundup to get rid of the weeds in Congress.

          • APN

            Actually Brian, it is 535 members of the house and the senate.

            435 Reps in the house
            100 Senators

            Now, he has stated he is IN FACT a Christian, and to be quite frank with you, based upon his comments and his actions, it leaves me without any reason to doubt him. I think he is a good man and holds true to his words.

          • Joe H.

            Brian,
            Remember when Bush jr wanted to institute amnesty?? Remember who stopped him?? WE DID!! We just have to convince these cretins that we will insure that they will lose their jobs in the next election if they don’t back Dr. Paul. We can do it, all we have to do is take the first step!!!

          • APN

            JOeH….Well put and that is a FACT! WE THE PEOPLE stopped amnesty…..plain and simple.

        • JayP

          We need someone who is concerned about the Constitution. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is. He is not in favor of anything which oversteps the bounds of the Constitution regardless of what it is. If we are going to throw away the Constitution because of Christian beliefs then it leaves us wide open for tyranny because those who do not hold Christian values will demand other unconstitutional laws to suit their viewpoint. We must adhere to the Constitution. States need to make and enforce their own laws concerning abortion, drugs, etc., those are not functions of the Federal government as set forth by the Constitution.

          • Zack

            JayP, while I subscribe to ALL Dr. Paul’s domestic policies his foreign policies frighten me. However anyone voting for Dr. Paol via a write-in candidate is assuring a win for Obamanation.

          • DaveH

            The absence of Ron Paul’s foreign policy is what scares me. Given the NDAA of 2012 (S. 1867) that the Senate recently passed by a landslide with the indefinite detention provision for American Citizens, I would say that we might soon have to pay a very big price for the buildup of the military state in the last 100 years.
            Remember, Watch Out What You Wish For; It Might Come True.

        • Old Henry

          jbrandma:

          How many decades have we been fighting “The War On Drugs”? Forty +? How’s it been going? As with “The War On Poverty” it is time to PULL OUT. Or, as Hillie-Billie says: “Pull out now!”

          The only thing these are wars on is our freedom and liberty.

        • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

          Ron Paul as an obstetrician having delivered over 4000 babies is anything but “ProChoice” – he is for states rights that Roe V. Wade was a farce that imposed abortion – he is for legitimate defense – which means we must secure our own borders and cease and desist meddling in other people’s affairs.

          As for drug legalization – there are criminal elements of our feral gov’t [feral = undomesticated] that are heavily involved in drug trafficking, money laundering and black ops. This would end the prohibition that has zero constitutional authority. Prohibition was a horrid failure for alcohol in that it made a major problem out of a minor problem – likewise the “war on drugs”.

          As for Israel – Ron Paul believes that we have been funding their enemies with foreign aid. If we do not cut foreign aid and drastically shrink Feral spending – the dollar will collapse and the Israelis will be in a world of hurt. Should you chose to send your own personal funds to assist this disingenuous political entity where 3/4 of the population are SECULAR “Jews” – I will not stop you – but do not claim that I am funding terrists if I were to send money to help the Palestinian Christians. But do you have any idea who Cyrus Scofield was? How he was used to contaminate the mindset of the American people about Zionism? Did you know that Scofield was funded by the same man that funded Karl Marx? Where did you get the idea that duplicity is a blessing? The prophets of old repeatedly rebuked Israel for her transgressions – why are all these false “profits” [play on words there] do the exact opposite and call it “AntiSemitism” to agree with the Anti-Zionist Jews? Please read Revelation 2:9 & 3:9 – bear these passages in mind – do a YouTube search on Russo Rockefeller – Russo – God rest his soul was a Sephartic Jew – Nick Rockefeller a Plutocrat – consider Russo’s warning about the hidden goal of the “war on terror”

        • jimmy the greek

          We need a bible thumping christen like we need a hole in the head .

      • Fubert Bar

        I agree. we don’t need more bushes, we need another Reagan, and Ron Paul is closer to Reagan in philosophy than any of the Republican pack.

        • ChristyK

          Ron Paul would be much better than Reagan because he is more consistently principled than Reagan (admittedly Reagan is a much better public speaker which helped him).

          Reagan looks really good when compared with what we have gotten for president since him, but he wasn’t as consistently constitutional as Ron Paul. Many conservatives still refuse to acknowledge Reagans mistakes. Because Ron Paul doesn’t compromise his principles, he would not have made some of the mistakes that Reagan made such as agreeing to an increase in taxes for a greater increase in spending (spending cuts didn’t happen but tax increases did) and spending too much and increasing our debt.

    • CJ

      So now we try to correct a misuse of an acronym. Because society has used RINO to mean something different than it “should” mean, doesn’t change who Newt is. Society simply failed to properly tag others who deserved it. It’s no different than thinking SC’s comments are more creditable only because he gets to top-list nearly half of the posts on this board. Until there’s more candidates like Ron Paul running, the selection will continue to be all bad choices. Our country has a BIG problem, but we simply have a system that chooses the least-bad option. You will never fix a problem when you have only defective parts to pick from.

      • DaveH

        The Republican Leaders won’t run more candidates like Ron Paul, until the Republican voters give them no choice. When they put up Non-Constitutionalists, the Republican voters need to withhold their votes until the Leaders get the message — QUIT NOMINATING BIG GOVERNMENT CANDIDATES!

    • JayP

      Newt Gingrich most certainly IS a RINO!
      Newt Gingrich is a Globalist to the very core which means he is NOT a Republican and it means he is NOT Conservative. The fact that he calls himself a Republican when he is not by definition makes him a RINO.

    • Don

      Keep thinking like that about every Republican – Newt, etc.,and guess what? We will have Obama back again for another destructive four years. Be a man and hold your nose; they are the only game in town.

      • DaveH

        No they are not. There is a Principled political party which respects peoples’ right to control their own bodies and legally acquired properties. They expect the Leaders to abide by the same rules that the citizens do. The citizens can’t steal; the leaders shouldn’t be allowed to steal. The citizens can’t kill; the leaders shouldn’t be allowed to kill. The citizens can’t break the law; the leaders shouldn’t be allowed to break the law. And the main law of the land is the Constitution, which leaders in all branches of Government often ignore. And that includes the Supreme Court.
        For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Markets, and PEACE:
        http://libertarianparty.org/issues

      • JC

        Sorry Don, but we’ve been holding our nose for too many decades.
        It’s time to man up and elect someone with a backbone.

    • Vic Bailey

      Newt is for Newt and all the money that he can steal, misuse, embezzle or pay to one of his family members, and help turn America over to the UN and the New World Order. Wake up America, Newt is worse than POND SCUM! Isn’t it time we QUIT electing Monkeys on Chains? Start putting REAL MEN in our government, NOT the puppets of the Elitist! Quit electing Lawyers and Registered Socialist like John Lewis, Maxine Waters, and the 70 some more that are in our congress right now! Semper Fi.

  • Iris

    If he becomes the candidate, he will be MY candidate. I live in AZ and will have little to say about who becomes the candidate. If I had my way, the parties would ALL have to vote for a candidate on the same day nationwide…for a REAL choice. I would also like to see donations to candidates stop at the border of each state if the issue being voted on is an in-state issue. Other factions have no more right to interfere within a state than does Russia.

    • wandamurline

      If he becomes the candidate, then I will support him with all my might because I want to remove Obama and his corrupt czars and cabinet and Holder from office. Right now, Gingrich is not my pick, but I would rather have four years of Gingrich than another four years of Obama who has undermined our freedoms with TSA, refused to protect America from the Mexican invasion, declared war on Libya against the Constitution, declared class warfare and done more to distant us by race than any president ever…he has undone what it took Dr. King and others to put into place in a little under three years. He has made a mockery of America by bowing to foreign dignitaries and apologizing for America….we have nothing to apologize for, my husband a veteran of three wars and my dad a veteran of WWII did nothing to be ashamed of, and they deserve our thanks, not digust as this president shows them. Obama hates America and Michelle hates white people, and quite frankly, America is on the verge of collasp and we simply cannot afford another four years of a lame duck Obama. Vote in 2012 like your very life depends on it, because it literally does…the life you know now and the freedomes you have can be taken away without a fight, don’t forget that.

      • Brian

        In other words you just prefer a new dictator.

        • Mushin

          Yes Brian, this IS what their saying – these foolish women know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THEIR CANDIDATE and likely, both voted for Barry Sotoro in the last election {and right about now their both saying “Barry WHO”?

          Sadly ladies you are both a prime example of what Bush calls “The Sheep”.

          • GIVEMEFREEDOM

            Sadly Mushin you’re full of crap and don’t know it.
            It’s “conservatives” like you that think only YOU have the correct answer to who’s the best Republican candidate.
            Everyone here has their right to choose based on their OWN values.
            Quit your bitchin.

          • Mushin

            GIVEMEFREEDOM says:
            December 7, 2011 at 11:40 am
            Sadly Mushin you’re full of crap and don’t know it.
            It’s “conservatives” like you that think only YOU have the correct answer to who’s the best Republican candidate.
            Everyone here has their right to choose based on their OWN values.
            Quit your bitchin.

            Well “GIVEMEFREEDOM”, if conservatives like me were as f*cking imbecilic as liberals like you we wouldn’t be living in a police state where our Constitutional rights are quickly disappearing, our economy is crumbling and we have become slaves to our own government!

            Personally, I don’t give a damn who takes office, so long as they embody and hold dear the ideals of our forefathers, hold dear our sovereignty and our God given rights to freedom!

            Do YOU know of any candidate whose past actions and speech has been consistent and kept his oath to uphold the Constitution of America and not the corporation “The United States”?!

            Do you even know the DIFFERENCE?! Do you know why the area around Washington is called “The District of Columbia”!? You jack*ass, YOU better do some research of your own and when you do, you’ll find out that your and your progeny are just slaves owned body and soul by the “United States”….and all they have ever wanted is what they’ve got from you – a mindless slave living inside a “Matrix”!

          • Vigilant

            Mushin,

            You would do well to actually read the complete District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, instead of relying on propaganda sources that claim we are USA, Inc.

            The act did for the municipality of DC what a thousand communities across the US did: they incorporated for purposes of conducting business with the legal and liability safeguards of a corporation, nothing else.

            The District of Columbia is indeed incorporated. The United States is not.

      • amarq

        I refuse to vote for anyone because they may or may not be the “lesser of evils”…evil is evil. You and other complacent sheeple like you are in fact the problem. With out you, we woulden’t have them!

        • DaveH

          yep.

        • Joe H.

          amarq,
          I will vote for R. Paul in the primaries, If he is the candidate, I will vote for him, if he isn’t the candidate, I will write RON PAUL on my paper ballot!! To those of you that wouldn’t, get ready for the shaft, as salamander man and all the rest will just be Abummer lite!!!

          • Vic Bailey

            I’m with you John H. I’ll do as I did in the last election, just because the American people are STUPID doesn’t mean I have to be, I want to save America from the hordes of the people that want to destroy her, so, “Ron Paul or NOT AT ALL”! Semper Fi.

      • http://www.motorcarsfinancial.com Brad

        I agree with you 1000%. Obama has got to go!!

      • JC

        wandamurline says:
        December 7, 2011 at 8:10 am
        If he becomes the candidate, then I will support him with all my might because I want to remove Obama and his corrupt czars and cabinet and Holder from office. Right now, Gingrich is not my pick, but I would rather have four years of Gingrich than another four years of Obama who has undermined our freedoms…

        Wanda, a lot of what you refer to started under Bush. The Kenyan campaigned on hope and change and won because people were so tired of Bush and his anti-American policies. And naturally the change was for the worse because Bush and the Kenyan are both Globalists. So was Clinton etc…
        Romney and Gingrich are bought and paid for Globalists as well, so don’t expect anything to get any better with one of those two in the White House. The fact is the main stream Republican candidates will hurt us even more because most of actually think they are trustworthy and will undo what the Kenyan has done.
        They won’t, they’re just part of the same dog and pony show that is meant to destroy America. Go Ron Paul or we will have no choice but to lock and load…and nobody wants to see that happen.

        So right after you vote for or write in Ron Paul on your ballot
        head out and get some ammuntion and wait and see…

    • Joe H.

      Iris,
      well said, that procedure is used to get who the want in and not who the people want or need!!! It SHOULD be decided by all on the same day as the election is!

  • Billythekid

    I DO NOT TRUST Newt. He is the poster boy for the typical Washington insider. He’s a DC lifer! He’s anti gun, a global warming believer, and thinks he’s the smartest man in the room, every room, all the time. If I MUST,I’ll gag, but I will even vote for this guy to get rid of ‘Obama the incompetent’.

    • CR

      Well said. Newt would be no better than Obama maybe worse as he is smarter. The only true conservative and the only candidate with a chance of saving this country is Ron Paul!!

      • chris

        He looks deeply unhappy and out of shape. Oh and takes bribes according to Ron Paul.

        • DaveH

          Emotionally troubled people tend to eat to assuage their guilt, sorrow, or whatever it is that is troubling them.

    • chris

      I don’t trust him either. He looks like a christian school teacher, I had. Mrs Conner was an authoritarian, who later slashed her own wrists.

      • libertytrain

        The poor soul. I feel pity for her.

  • BillMJC

    If Newt is the Republican candidate, I will write-in anyone else than either Obama or Newt. I will not vote for either. Both parties have become corrupt and sadly there is no other choice. Almost all Senators and Congress persons should be made to retire!!

    • Brenda Choate

      Writing someones name gives your vote to Obama. Not a good option. As to retirement of congress, vote them out of office. No politician will willingly step aside. If they do not perform, find another candidate and replace them at the ballot box. Stop letting the candidate with the most money or support of newspapers and unions be reelected.

      • Danny

        Brenda, we will never vote them out. With all the evidence against Gingrich and Romney, and the fact that these two are even on the ballot speaks volumes that the American people STILL have their head up their – - -. They (you) are still letting the media elect your candidate for you. Do your research (not on TV) and it is as plain as day how corrupt these two men are

      • rjim

        And if we can change the Senate and keep the House, we can impeach Obama. That better that placing Obama the 2nd in their. I also call him John McCain the 2nd.

        We have to take chances and risks. We have no real choice any more. We need to vote 3rd party or what ever. Doing the same thing over and over will not fix the situation. The elected Tea Party folks have not been able to change things either. I’m am very disappointed in them.

        • LES

          There is not enough Tea Party members to really make a difference at this time and they do not have enough seniority yet to be effective.
          A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama, how is he working out for you ?

          • amarq

            You will discover that your globalist masters care less wither you are blue or red. You have already bought the story line…try not to swallow the hook.

          • DaveH

            Actually, Obama is working out well for us. Thanks partly to the Internet, Obama has awakened more Americans to the concepts of Freedom than any President in my lifetime. One more term of Obama and we’ll either be done for, or prepared to set this country on the track to Freedom that we haven’t seen for a couple of hundred years.
            If instead, McCain had been elected, the sheeple would have continued slumbering as the Government grew less perceptibly towards our eventual complete collapse.

          • JC

            Exactly right DaveH. Obama is the fuel for America’s awakening.
            When he was elected the US saw a spike in firearms sales unmatched in history. “Knowing” we have a Globalist traitor in the White House may well be our salvation. We need that anger, we need that “fuel”.
            Believing we have a Patriot in the form of Gingrich or the equivalent
            will simply put us on the road to complacency again, the road to ruin.
            If not a genuinely Constitutional American, I’d almost rather see the the Kenyan continue to fuel the fire, because we need that “fire”.

      • Joe H.

        Brenda,
        If enough of us write in RON PAUL, then how is it a vote for ABUMMER?? Get up off your bum and TALK to people, go door to door, Print up fliers with quotes from Dr. Paul with sites to back them up and drop them door to door in your neighborhood!! People need to get out, off their lazy bums and SUPPORT the man as that is the only way we are going to get the word out about him!! Make his name a household name!!!

        • Vic Bailey

          I agree again John H. The Socialist Media wants us to elect another Monkey on a chain, they want the Elitist to keep the rule over the people when the people own the government not the government own the people. Somewhere along the line the government has made us believe that they own everything when it is actually the people that own EVERYTHING, even the government and when the government doesn’t do what the people want, we have the right to disolve the non-working government and start a NEW WORKING government. AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS “NO” SAY IN THE MATTER!!!!! Semper Fi.

    • DaveH

      How many times do I have to say this? There IS a choice. And in fact that choice has always trumped what the Democrats and Republicans have to offer. Vote Libertarian! For those who believe but don’t want to “throw away” their votes, then donate to help us grow. But actually the “thrown away” votes are those voted for the lesser of two evils, because we can never achieve a Great Government unless we vote for Great Politicians (like Ron Paul).
      The Establishment Politicians and their Crony Capitalists will do everything to stop the Libertarians because Free Markets and Limited Government will upset the apple-carts of both groups. They like their secure positions over the rest of us, and they don’t like the vagaries of Free Markets where the consumers are king, anybody can rise to the top, and they (the Crony Capitalists) don’t have the protection of Big Government.
      Read the book “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal your Money” to learn how even regulations are designed to help certain politically-favored businesses at the expense of their non-political competitors, their customers, and the taxpayers.

  • Monte

    Both parties seek to deliver us to a leftist hell. The differences are how they plan to get us there. What exists to deter this? No conservative party exists. There is no opposition. To accept this is to accept the seriousness of our situation.

    • Lastmanstanding

      The are all progressives bought and paid for by the wealthest people on the earth…the bankers who run the govts. their goal is to take our freedom and enslave us.

      No money of value, no rights, no say, no property, no guns…

      Vote Ron Paul 2012…”live free or die.” the only option for me.

    • DaveH

      Arghh, Monte. There is a Truly Conservative party — the Libertarian Party. If you study the issues you will see that our beliefs very much parallel those of Thomas Jefferson.

  • Cincinnatus

    Newt is very smart and has a great deal of knowledge about history and politics.

    That said he would be better in a classroom than the white house. I can not and will not vote for him because he is essentially Obama light.

    My guess is that Newt is the lead whipping boy now and will drop in the polls leaving the republican machine’s favorite boy – Romney to take the lead. Romney is worse than Obama because Obama at least defends his own healthcare plan.

    • LES

      So you want Obama back in you must think he is working out well !!

      • Lastmanstanding

        What he/she is saying is that once Newt is in he will continue obamas communist assault on freedom…Have you noticed how elections bounce back and forth for decades and things only get worse…no matter who is in?

        They all lie with one goal in mind…a one (new) world order.

        • DaveH

          That is because it is human nature for the most sociopathic individuals to gravitate to Power positions. And even normal people want as much as they can get. So even if Politicians were normal people they would still lean towards feathering their own nests. Ron Paul and a few others are rare exceptions to that.
          As Thomas Jefferson said “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground”.

          This is what I’m talking about:
          http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

    • Txblkjack

      I will not vote for Romney. Period.
      This deep division in our ranks is why We the People lost 2008.
      The Independents are a large voting block that voted for Obama.

      • DaveH

        And the almost fanatical resignment of the voters to vote for the lesser of two evils, because that lesser evil is perceived to be the best hope for winning, instead of voting for Principle, is the reason we have been doomed to sitting idly by decade after decade while our Government grows ever larger.
        Break the Mold. Vote for Principle. Vote for Ron Paul!

    • eddie47d

      Cincinnatus is trying to say that Obama has made mistakes but stands on his own principles. Ron Paul also stands on his own principles. The rest of the lot (including Newt) changes their minds monthly depending which way the wind is blowing. Newt is also the godfather of NAFTA and we got snockered on that one.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        I thought you said you didn’t defend Abummer?? I guess this is number 31!!!

  • skippy

    Oh GREAT…just what I really want….an ANTI-GUN prez. Sure, that will work. I have to agree with Billythekid…I will GAG…but dear Lord…can the Reps not come up with a REAL person??!!…

    • Lastmanstanding

      Skippy…you must get out of the right-left thing.

      NONE of them are real people…none of them live like we do…Look at everything that they do and WHERE THEY DO IT.

      Ron Paul may be our only hope…and don’t forget some faith in God

      • Joe H.

        Lastmanstanding,
        Amen and roger that on the faith in God!!!!

  • skippy

    Politics AND politicians ALL need one huge enema…and that include Washington DC overall.

    • Joe H.

      skippy,
      The EPA won’t allow that! Can you immagine the pollution?????

  • PATRIOT 101

    Anyone that doesn’t trust me with MY guns is someone I don’t want in the White House signing executive orders!
    This newt needs exposed as the big govt., globalist that he is.

  • Steve Cassidy

    I have to agree with Billythekid. Gingrich is definitely not my first choice however having witnessed socialiem at work twice in my life I can assure you no one should have to live under Obamas’ socialist regime.

    • http://heisco.net Patriot II

      Steve, I tend to agree with you, except if Newt is really run by the Globalist Elite, just like Obama, his mission is to destroy America the way we know it, and is a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing just like Obama.

      If that is the case then I pray for Jesus to come soon, and Judge the greedy elite and pour out his Wrath on them for their sins against humanity.

      • Lastmanstanding

        “if newt…wake up.”

  • http://heisco.net Patriot II

    Bob, I would like to see your proof of Newt being Anti-Gun, can you provide your sources on that?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston
      • CoCowboy

        Well, So is Mitt Robme… So, There’s not a great option. AND… In case nobody is paying attention Cerberus bought up all of the Gun, Ammo and Tactical clothing companies. That was reported on Sunday.

        My peresonal experience with Cerberus is that they consolidate companies, rip them apart and bankrupt them… so much for American made guns and ammo… Oh sure, it might last a year – don’t hold your breath, but I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Obama himself set this crap up!

        Dan Quayle is the CEO of that division of Cerberus. UNFORTUNATELY, On Tuesday, Ole Danny boy endorsed Mitt “I hate guns” Robme… oops, I meant O’Romney

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/04/BUJ91M4HL0.DTL

        At least Newt has stated on video within the past year that he supports the 2nd amendment.

        • http://www.johnvolz.com Johnny in the Pedros

          The following link defines his positions, with sources, on the Second Amendment among other things:

          http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1461049

          I’m not a terribly religious person, but the words “By their fruits shall you know them,” comes to mind.

          Not. Even. Worth. Trying.

          • CoCowboy

            It doesn’t change the truth of what I just posted regarding Cerberus. Ignore at your own peril.

          • Joe H.

            CoCowboy,
            What we need is for some of the conservative money holders to buy up a couple of the companies or open their OWN!!! What good are guns if there is no ammunition or powder???

        • DaveH

          Newt says? Exactly, CoCowboy. We need people in there who don’t just say …..
          We need people in the political positions who actually do what they say. Like Ron Paul.

        • JC

          Cowboy, doesn’t matter what Newt “says”. He wants gun owners fingerprinted and put into a data base.

          As for Cerebrus…thanks for the head’s up.
          All the more reason to stockpile.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Thanks Bob…only Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann are endorsing our right to bear arms…

        • DaveH

          Don’t forget Gary Johnson. I know — Who?

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Don’t forget that Gary Johnson supports same sex marriage! he will never get elected with that. At least Ron Paul has said it belongs to the states to decide!!

          • DaveH

            Joe,
            There’s a difference between believing Government has no business in same-sex marriage and “supporting” same-sex marriage.

          • DaveH

            Here are Gary’s actual feelings on that subject:
            http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/governor-gary-johnson-announces-support-for-gay-marriage

            So technically I was wrong, but I was thinking “support” as in “promote”.
            That being said, men live together and do who knows what together, so what is the big deal if they have a ceremony and a contract? How do they hurt us? Personally, I don’t understand why they’d want to get married and legally entangled, but then it’s really none of my business.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            All I said was he couldn’t get elected because of that. I didn’ say a word about business.

    • Scott in SC

      Here is a direct quote from Newt almost 15 years ago:

      “I think we prefer to go to instant check on an immediate basis and try to accelerate implementing instant checks so that you could literally check by thumbprint… Instant check is a much better system than the Brady process.” — June 27, 1997

      He is a supporter of a national gun registry which history has shown without exception to be a pre-cursor to an outright ban on guns for the citizenry.

  • Warrior

    We need a game changer…. Hmmm….I know, how about Ron Paul. In fact, as one surveys the situation of one party rule, how on earth could you vote for anyone else? I say, go Paul or just go back to sleep.

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    Newt Gingrich is crooked and also, a hypocrite. I mean the man took $
    100 million from lobbyist , especially 2 million from Freddy Mac. In addition, his wife spent $750,000.00 in a shopping spree at Tiffany’s
    jewelry store at tax payers expense. Finally, he was forced to resign from congress in the late 1990′s because of ethic charges. Thus, if he gets the nomination it will be time to vote third party. Thanks!!

    • skippy

      Yep, that’s right Tony. He was one of those that was writing checks from an account with NO money in it..remember???. “House Banking scandal, where so many congressmen wrote rubber checks on government money? Newt hopes you don’t, because he bounced 22 himself, which almost cost him reelection in 1992.”

      • Lastmanstanding

        almost…only counts in horseshoes and hand gernades…people are so [comment has been edited] up that they still vote for these guys…and politicians like newt, bushes, clinton, obama, etc…Know it and count on it.

        • Buddy

          People just have to vote! It’s called Democracy (with a big D).

          And how’s Democracy been working out for the USA during the past 80 years?

          • skippy

            hey buddy….we are a republic…right??? not a democracy….

          • DaveH

            The MSM propaganda machine has worked its magic well.

          • Joe H.

            Gee skippy, is there a difference? JUST KIDDING!!! Just trying out for a part where I play a libbie!! LOL!!

  • JB

    There no saints, no saviors, no individuals with all the answers or right moves – - and anybody expecting one to come along to save us is foolish.
    Party politics is downright stupid – more like tribalism or racism – -
    No political party (nor any member of one) has ever been a source of integrity or intelligence. What’s needed is a flushing of that DC toilet – complete and regular, if cleanup is to occur. Much change is required, and intelligent voters establish term limits at every election. Career, incumbent, for-sale, corrupted, elected elite politicians got us here (bankrupt and dependent).

  • Alex Frazier

    Something I have found of rather interesting note …

    Everywhere I go, I see ‘Ron Paul 2012!’, and yet, the polls constantly show Romney, or one of his competitors (Perry, Newt, Bachman, Cain) as being in the lead, or right on his tail.

    At some of the debates when they would switch over to some off site place to take a question, there were always Ron Paul signs in the background.

    When I talk to people, I’ve yet to find anyone who would even consider voting for Romney, and those who have been slowly coming around to the opinion that Newt is an option know absolutely nothing about him.

    As best as I can tell, Ron Paul is the candidate of choice. People everywhere I go are for him. No one I’ve met is ‘for’ the other candidates, even if they’re against Ron Paul.

    So where the heck do all these poll numbers keep coming from? What retards are out there voting for Romney? How is Newt picking up steam when anyone who is even mildly active in politics knows that he’s as bad as Obama?

    I know that I haven’t been polled! In fact, every time a debate comes on, the websites give you the option to cast your vote, but I’ve spend forty-plus minutes each time just trying to figure out how to get signed on to do so. My vote never gets tallied.

    When I daydream about confronting the candidates one on one, I envision asking Romney, Gingrich, Bachman, and Santorum what makes them think they have the right to even be running, since they are proven betrayers of the public trust. They have all voted for unconstitutional legislation, and have thereby violated their oaths of office and betrayed the people. I envisioned asking Cain why he wanted to raise my taxes to a little over 40% of my income. I envision telling Newt that he’s a traitor, and to get off the stage.

    But when I think about Ron Paul, what I actually feel is that I’m part of something greater than myself. It’s an odd sensation, actually. There’s an attachment that makes me feel like I could ask him to lunch, or to have him over for dinner with me and the wife.

    There are plenty of folks who are simply naive or ignorant of real politics, economics, war and foreign policy. I’m happy to correct their opinionated, unfactual points of view. But apart from the few nay-sayers out there, I just don’t understand why anyone but Paul is soaring in the polls.

    Ron Paul or Bust!

    • http://www.johnvolz.com Johnny in the Pedros

      Here’s one poll where he’s soaring -

      http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11

      It’s still open too, so hurry up Gingrich and Romney fans, it isn’t too late to give your support and change the results of this poll! LOL

      It’s actually a pretty neat poll that shows results by geographical area.

      • Helen2

        My city voted for Ron Paul 55 to 8!! Yay for Vancouver Washington.

      • JC

        Awesome! Go Ron Paul!

    • Buddy

      You’re correct. It’s Ron Paul or bust, and I think it’s more likely that it will be bust because, as you observe, most voters are naive and/or ignorant.

      My wife wants to contribute to Ron Paul’s campaign. However, I think we’ll get a better return by contributing to our conservative senator’s campaign. A conservative senate may be able to moderate the “progressive” road the USA is on.

      • http://www.johnvolz.com Johnny in the Pedros

        why not split the contribution between the two?

      • Alex Frazier

        Buddy, I’m in a similar boat. I contributed some when the need was dire, but I’m cautious about contributing too much unless I see the campaign pick up some steam. If I had the money to throw away, I’d gladly send more without reservation. If Paul gets the nomination, I’ll send anything I can afford, knowing that he has a real chance. But I’m holding off for the time being. I don’t have a lot of money to spend, so I’d rather spend it where it will do some worthwhile good, beyond the mere principle.

        • Joe H.

          Alex F.
          I have already dug deep for R. Paul and will do so again! He is the only one who actuallyWANTS to get us out of this quagmire we are in! I believe witha little congressional help, he WILL!!

    • dave

      Ron Paul is just another insider, for crying out loud. He plays the politics well. He puts pork for his district into a bill then turns around, knowing full well that a bill will be passed, and votes against it. That is decietful, or better stated outright lying. Very unprincipaled but very political. How long has he been in congress? He is a career politcian not the saviour you make him out to be. I could vote for him the way most would vote for nitwit or romney care, plugging my nose. Santorum and Bachman seem to be principaled people, not perfect, but speak thier values and live pretty close to them. No Nit(wit)no Romney Care no Ron Pol-itician.

      • Alex Frazier

        Please provide some hard facts. It’s not true just because you say so. My research has shown otherwise.

      • Joe H.

        dave,
        Proof talks, bull$hit walks!! Show me the proof!! Ialready know you won’t because you can’t prove a lie!!

    • skippy

      Everyone I have ever talked to about 2008 election did not vote for Obama either…BUT he’s still there………go figure…….

    • Joe H.

      Alex Frazier,
      quit worrying about Cain, he’s GONE!!!

      • Alex Frazier

        I’m not worried about Cain. I was only making the point that he soared in the polls.

        Although, to hear Cain tell it, he’s not goin’ away. So we might have to worry about his regressive tax hike in the future.

    • Wendell

      Alex f. Do you get tingles down your leg when you think about Paul. Kind of like the MSNBC newcasters do when they talk or think about obama. lol

  • dee

    I will NOT vote for Newt…he is a progressive through and through!

    If we end up with Gingrich, Romney or Perry, the only change we’ll see is maybe a slowing down of the train wreck, but I’m not even so sure about that. They are ALL progressives.

    All I hear is how this next presidential election will be the most pivotal moment of our time. Hog wash is what I say, the most pivotal moment of our time IS going to be the Republican primary election and we couldn’t be more fractured. Friends think this through and through…if we keep electing what we’ve been electing, we’re going to keep right on getting what we’ve been getting. It’s the MOST literal meaning of insanity…keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    The most pivotal election of our time IS the Republican primary. I actually believe Obama can be beat, but if it’s Gingrich, Romney or Perry, our country still loses…BIG time. If we keep on electing what we’ve been electing, we’re going to keep on getting what we’ve been getting…I N S A N I T Y!

    Dear God, my prayer to you…please send us another George Washington, please! Oh, and btw, as YOU know, we need this miracle like yesterday. Dear God, I know we can do better than Gingrich, Romney or Perry, please show us the way…please!

    • Pepper

      Your prayer has already been answered, however the hearts of many have been hardened to not hear the message. There is a man who predicted the current financial crisis, who has been telling us what needs to be done for 30 years and people have not been listening.

      You ask for another George Washington. I submit that were George Washington reincarnated and put on the ballot, he would meet the same baseless opposition as Ron Paul.

      • http://www.johnvolz.com Johnny in the Pedros

        They would be saying “I like George Washington’s ideas, but his foreign policy scares the hell out of me.”

        Sound familiar?

        • Buddy

          George Washington’s foreign policy position is a comfortable position. What is really scary is the position of the warfare supporters who chant, “Bomb Iran”.

          Well, I guess warfare is good for some business so some group profits from war, eh, Daddy WARbucks?

          • Cawmun Cents

            If there were no implied threats in this case I could agree with you.
            But would you rather that Iran bomb us first?
            Just asking.
            I am reminded of the idealists who tried to keep us from joining the war effort in Europe,circa 1939-1941.
            Hitler was not a threat to the United States.
            Why?
            Because there was this huge ocean and we had all these resources,the thought just did not seem tenable.
            However with the advent of the atomic age,these thoughts are suicidal.
            Just one bomb,or possibly two,as we have noticed of historical note,causes surrender.
            We assume that we will know where a bomb comes from,but that is not necessarily the case.So if a bomb explodes here,and we cannot sufficiently ascertain the source,what do we then do?
            Point the finger at who we think may have done it?
            This iswhy we cannot let these people buid nuclear weapons.
            We simply cannot be certain that they will not give them to a group that we cannot charge with their use.
            Hello,McFly…..is this getting through?-CC.
            -CC.

          • Joe H.

            cawmun Cents,
            you forgetting that they captured a german U-boat off the northeast coast of the US??

          • JC

            Cawmun Cents says:
            December 7, 2011 at 10:24 am
            If there were no implied threats in this case I could agree with you.
            But would you rather that Iran bomb us first?
            Just asking.

            How do you imagine them doing that? And what makes Iran particularly special in that department? America has her share of nuclear capable enemies and they’re loudmouths too.

            And besides, don’t you feel “secure” knowing the TSA is strip searching old ladies with walker’s? Nobody is going to get a nuke past those dedicated professionals.

      • dave

        Beloved GW would not have played the system for 30 years. Bringing home the bacon he put in a bill, then voting against the pork ladden bill. How and why do you think he continued to be re-elected? Everybody likes the bacon but cries about the pork, so play the game. Ron Pol-itician plays it very well. He is not in the same state, much less the ball park, as GW. Do your reshearch, he is gaming you and the system.

        • Joe H.

          dave,
          I call bull$hit when I see it and that was pure unadulterated BULL$HIT!!! Admit it, you don’t know a dam thing about R. Paul, do you?? you just spout the things that your handlers tell you to, right???

        • Alex Frazier

          dave, if you took the finer qualities of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Andrew Jackson, you’d have a nice composite of the man Ron Paul tries to be.

          People against Ron Paul are against freedom, the constitution, and the United States, because that’s what the man stands for. The rest of the candidates are for policies that erode our freedom, our trade, our money, and our national prosperity.

        • JC

          dave, Until you can provide solid examples of what you are trying to say…just go away.

  • Marilyn

    Wow, I’m just so amazed how NO ONE does their homework anymore nor can they separate fact from fiction. Newt IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT Anti-Gun! What? Nobody can critically think anymore? Have democrats dumbdowned a whole lot of ppl? He is not BIG government, he never Lobbied! All this so called baggage is nothing but liberal leftist democrat BS! And that stupid John Birch society vid going around is nothing but propaganda. Ppl need to get out of the paranoid zone. Start w/ newt.org/answers. I’m not going to waste my time arguing w/ a bunch of ppl who bury their heads in the sand, when they can do their own footwork like I did. Newt can debate that POS we have right now in the WH and expose him for the fraud he is. But you all just want to drink the democrat liberal lefty koolaid. Reagan was an awesome President. But perhaps your kind go for Carter & Clinton. Stick w/ socialist obama, you all deserve him. DC fears Newt, that’s why they attack, and they’ve attacked Palin & Cain as well. From reading all this, I see everyone here has been bought. You sucked up the lies and that’s all you have. Best of luck to you all.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston
      • CoCowboy

        Well, So is Mitt Robme… So, There’s not a great option. AND… In case nobody is paying attention Cerberus bought up all of the Gun, Ammo and Tactical clothing companies. That was reported on Sunday.

        My peresonal experience with Cerberus is that they consolidate companies, rip them apart and bankrupt them… so much for American made guns and ammo… Oh sure, it might last a year – don’t hold your breath, but I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Obama himself set this crap up!

        Dan Quayle is the CEO of that division of Cerberus. UNFORTUNATELY, On Tuesday, Ole Danny boy endorsed Mitt “I hate guns” Robme… oops, I meant O’Romney

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/04/BUJ91M4HL0.DTL

        At least Newt has stated on video within the past year that he supports the 2nd amendment.

        • Alex Frazier

          With all due respect, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), while speaking in the floor debate for the National Reciprocity Act HR822, was sure to mention that she supported the second amendment. But she’s the biggest anti-gun fanatic around. She’d repeal the second amendment without losing a wink of sleep over it, and her oath of office be damned.

          What they say isn’t as telling as what they do. They all claim to support the constitution, but if they all really did, there are a number of bills that not only wouldn’t have passed, but that wouldn’t have even come to a vote. If they really respected the constitution, such bills wouldn’t have even been written in the first place.

      • Txblkjack

        She stated where she got her information.

    • CJM

      So you are a strong supporter of Newt, Marilyn? Fine—however, he is NOT my choice. All the flowery platitudes you provide on his behalf is sickening–Newt’s biggest problem is his ability to speak with a forked tongue. All the candidates that are worthy of the Presidency on the RNC/GOP end have effectively been (character) assassinated by the media pimps who still view obammy as their messiah. When 2012 comes along, my vote goes to either Bachman or Paul…the rest of those dolts can just quit and go home.

    • CJM

      I noticed your comment on Reagan–no he was NOT an awesome President; he had alzheimer’s even as the governor of CA (he certainly destroyed the social services there: the police, mental health care, social work, et al). Don’t come up with the crap that he didn’t have alzheimers either–you don’t leave office and 3 months later announce you are in the tertiary (end) stage of the illness. It takes a considerable amount of time to get to that point. Who ran the government while Ron Raegan was ill? Nancy had quite a bit to say in the affairs–but there were some select few who did assist her in the decisions. Raegan’s other son had it right: daddy did have alzheimers and the Republican Party knew it–that’s as unforgiveable as obammy’s forged birth certificates and the DNC knowing he is NOT a US citizen.

      • Alex Frazier

        Maybe that’s why his spending increased in the last years. Maybe he wasn’t making the decisions. He started his administration trying to cut spending and reduce government. He ended his administration doing the exact opposite.

        Maybe he was losing it by the end.

        *shrug*

    • Mountain Saint

      Marilyn, there are tons of damaging statements made by Newt over the last forty years that would come back to haunt him if he were to become the nominee…He was all for nationalizing the health industry (individual mandates and all) and that makes him a Socialist…He was fined and reprimanded for his scandals as speaker and that makes him a corrupt politician…He has been flip flopping on almost all of the issues and that makes him an opportunist with no conservative credentials…etc etc Quit calling us Conservatives, Independents and Patriots Democrats just because we are telling the world the truth about Newt. The Democrats will devastate the Republicans if Newt gets the nomination. We are trying to prevent this disaster.

    • Mushin

      Marilyn – You are either a liar and a shill or illiterate and misinformed. I tend to believe the former over the latter my dear. Perhaps you receive your salary in exchange for finding discussions such as this one and trying to sway public opinion with your inane comments.

      Please understand your rhetoric will NOT buy you any purchase to you argument here….most of us posting know the truth about your candidate and YOU will not change the minds of the informed and educated.

    • Joe H.

      Marilyn, This is the second time tonight that Bob has posted these sites, I suggest this time you CHECK THEM OUT!!! Salamander Man IS anti-gun!!!

  • Common Sense

    Vote in “Ron Paul” and lets start getting the Government back to where “IT” serves the people instead of the current situation where “WE” serve the government.

  • http://danthorntons.com Bluff Rat

    Patriot II, The only two candidates that openly support your right to bear arms are Michelle Bachman and Ron Paul.

    • Joe H.

      Bluff Rat,
      I wouldn’t bet the farm on that continuing as she also supported expanding certain parts of the patriot act!!! how long before she changes her mind “for the good of the country”??

      • http://deleted Claire

        Joe H– Well spoken. Keep it up!

      • Alex Frazier

        Agreed. I can overlook some of her superfluous campaign platforms, like fighting against gay marriage and such. But for voting yes to the Patriot Act (which Paul called the “Appeal of the 4th amendment Act”), I personally consider her a betrayer of the public trust. If a politician can vote unconstitutionally once, they can do it again.

        I like her. I like a lot of her politics. But she’s a traitor in my opinion, right along with Newt, Romney, and Santorum.

        I’d actually love to start a new movement. I don’t know what to call it yet, but it would withhold votes from any running politician who has voted for, proposed, or supported unconstitutional legislation.

        I still have to think of the particulars to make it work. But it would be a strong movement. The Tea Party changed things. This surely can do the same.

  • madogdriver

    newt is a chameleon. its sad that 3 people who are really the most conservative are low in the polls. we NEED to elect a republican president, but, we NEED to replace the congress and senate with REAL conservatives so for the next election, the RINO’s and elite repubs will not have a say and a real conservative will be elected. either way, the marxist obami must go, and all his socialist minions, the sunsteins, the jackson’s, the chu’s, the nepalotan’s, the holder’s, the kagan’s and sotometer’s etc.!!
    viva la revolution!! long live the TEA PARTY!!!!

    • Joe H.

      madogdriver,
      Actually a cameleon is not slimy enough!! He’s more like an eel! Ever caught one on your line? you have to cut off part of you line cause nothing else will come near it!!

  • Edeard

    We have the government and politicans we have now because we stood by as those who do not believe in God yelled and pressured the body of Christian believers into backing down and stopping the removal of God from our schools and government.We received just what we deseve for our cowardice. Newt Gingrichis the result of our apostasy!

  • Mountain Saint

    Sure, Obama is giving us Marxism while Newt is giving us Socialism – both men are for Socialized Medicine and the individual mandates. Both men are for Free Trade and exporting tens of millions Middle Class jobs overseas and giving 100% of our low-end jobs to the 38,000,000 illegal aliens (that’s what you would get with another amnesty, limited or not). With either man, America is doomed. Millions of us Christian Conservaties would sit out the 2012 election.

    • LES

      Therefore you support Obama, How is he working out for you ?

      • realist

        Les, He never said anything about supporting Obama. He spoke in opposition of it. Just because a person opposes YOUR choice does not make him a supporter of Obama. Your troll-like imposition of your placing choice on Obama is down right irritating.
        I agree with the OP and Ron Paul is the best choice for restoration of liberty in this country and the other choices are just not pleasant if the truth be known about them.
        Some people age giving the 2012 election a Superbowl like mentality and our country’s future is not up for grabs on a play-by-play routine. This is serious business and we need some mature leadership in the white house that cares about the future of this country and her citizens. America is not up for sale on the global block just yet and with Newt, there would be one heck of a sale. If the rest of the country woke up to that fact, there would be more attention paid to Dr Ron Paul.

      • Mountain Saint

        We are no longer voting for the lesser of two evils. Both men are Marxista and Globalists. America is doomed unless we get a real Christian leaders in there like Donald Trump or Backmann and clean up the mess.

        • Joe H.

          mountain Saint,
          you forget the BEST candidate out there–RonPaul!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

    • Alex

      The term “Christian Conservative” makes NO sense. Christ would have nothing to do with Conservative politics—read the Sermon on the Mount—the words that Jesus actually had someone WRITE DOWN—not the words of men who claim to “know” him. Jesus was no Conservative.

      • Mountain Saint

        Yeshua was no Liberal. He was for the Believers, not corrupt Government, to help the poor and downtrodden.

      • mjr47

        Alex, you are right…Jesus was NO Conservative!! He threw out and chastised the “money changers” telling them that they had turned a house of worship into a den of thieves. He bravely spoke out against the corruption and evil that was rampant while he walked on this Earth!! He definitely was no coward or fearful about being politically correct!!

      • Joe H.

        Alex,
        Lost your faith? The bible was written by man, that is correct, but they were guided by GOD!! If you do not believe in God’s ability to do that, then you are of little faith!!

      • PATRIOT 101

        I think Jesus (if you were to give him a party title) would have to be a Compassionate Libertarain. He preached that people rights came for a loving God the Father. He preached (individual) not communitive compassion, so I doubt you could call him a socialist (or a democrat)!

  • retiredairforce

    Conservatives believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. They do not reward amnesty and work permits to those who violated our laws, borders and sovereignty in an effort to “sweep the problem under the rug” to pay back their Chamber of Commerce, Corporate and business master’s insatiable desire for cheap foreign labor. Amnesty is allowing them to remain here which is why they violated our laws, encouraging more illegal immigration across our wide open borders. Conservatives enforce the laws already on the books including the mandatory use of e-verify in all public offices to stop hundreds of billions of dollars annually in tax payer benefits for illegal aliens and by employers which would result in no jobs, tax payer benefits and subsequent voluntary deportation which is happening in Alabama, Georgia, Utah and other states from where illegal aliens are fleeing in droves to illegal alien friendly states or back to their lawless and corrupt toilets of third world countries.
    The system isn’t broken; only the will by the DC Cartel to enforce our laws is.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Conservatives are those who realize the value of looking to the inside,and not changing the fundamental rules by which they live,because of a windblown notion,or(seemingly)new idea.
      Constitutionally,Religiously,Secularly,Ethically,the list goes on.
      The comfort of a stable and known equation is the conservative ideal.

      Liberals flow with the ebb and tide,looking to the conditions outside of themselves,and seeking to adjust their lives to those perameters.
      New ideas are accepted not because they are necessarily good ideas,but because they reflect a difference in the older standards.
      By this method of thinking,they can apply whatever standards are thought to be wise,in order to effect change for whatever the situation or circumstance requires.

      Just personal observation.-CC.

  • Danny

    Marylin, just how much of the kool-Aid have you drank? You must have done your research using Newts autobiography for material.

  • CJM

    Far as I’m concerned, Newt IS a RINO and a liar to boot. Wouldn’t vote for him if my life depended on it. If he is the candidate of choice for the Republicans, I will write in someone else…NO Romney, NO Perry, NO Gingrich, and NO Obammy, period. Bachman and Paul are just fine…at least THEY are for the American People.

    • Alex

      Michelle O’Bachmann and Ron Paul are decidedly NOT for the American people.

      • Curtis

        go back to your drugs Alex we know that your a plant on here

      • Joe H.

        Alex,
        Go tell your handlers that you came, you tried, it didn’y work, so you want your check!!! Course with YOUR effort, they might expect YOU to pay THEM!!!

        • Alex Frazier

          lol … instead of VENI, VIDI, VICI the other Alex is going to have to change his motto to VENI, VIDI, DEFECIT … “I came, I saw, I failed!”

  • Jana

    oh lord no…Neer…

  • Rick

    So are we suposed to be happy with a choice between Tweedle-dumb and Tweedle-dumber?

    Take out the trash in 2012.

  • Maranatha

    Patriots,
    Look at what has been said in the previous remarks! It is discouraging if you look at it in light of a person with no knowledge and hope for eternity. I agree, things look really bad and I find only a couple of people running as giving us any hope at all. But I am a studier of the Book. I have read Daniel and Revelation. I have searched high and low looking for America in the last days. The best I can do is a mere reference to us as a cub of the Lion, Brittan. It is a seemingly non essential remark stating that we, Canada, Brittan and Australia do absolutely nothing to defend Israel in those moments before the Anti Christ moves to destroy her. But Alas, those of us who know the truth and cling to it know what happens in the end. Therefore, I shall not worry in despair, I shall do as He, the King of Kings commanded, I shall look up for His coming draweth nigh. It requires me to thoroughly consider the choices we have, to seek the one that stands true to His Word and has the principles that our Forefathers had. To really lead us to safety and victory that one must realize only God can save our land. God requires of us who believe to “humble ourselves, pray, repent and turn from our sinful ways, then He will hear from heaven, and He will heal our land.” My concern is that we who believe are not willing to do what it takes to make that happen. Therefore, I am every day looking up because I know His coming is very close. Read the Book and you will see it as well. Everything is in place. We have kicked God out of our schools, our courts, our public places. We even are witnessing an attempt to kick God and His Son out of Christmas. It seems pretty obvious to me that the hammer is ready to fall, the shoe ready to drop. Are you ready for what that means?

    • Alex

      Step away from the Bible and LIVE—God didn’t write that book, man did.

      • http://www.pastorbuddy.com Pastor Buddy

        Hi Alex. I have been a minister for over 30 years. It was a Gideon recycled hotel Bible in a jail cell that convicted me of my sins and brought me to the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is “inspired by God.” You are correct. It was written by men. However, as with Jesus, the Bible is very human and very divine at the same time. If you read it with the purpose of experiencing God and His purpose for your life, the Scriptures will speak to you. May the Lord Bless You!

        • Cawmun Cents

          To Pastor Buddy,

          Thank the Lord for you!
          But here is one perhaps even Alex can understand:

          “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool,than to speak and remove alll doubt.”-Confucious.

    • Gman

      Maranatha: Like most professing Christians, you don’t seem to know that Christmas is a pagan holiday. If I’m not mistaken, and as a human I can be, Martin Luther changed the holiday from the first week of December to the 25th for some unGodly reason. Besides, any good Book studying Christian knows that Jesus was born in late September or early October. But I won’t tell you how I know this. Since you study the Word I’m sure that you can research and find the facts out for yourself.

      • libertytrain

        Gman you must be a youngster just discovering the world…

        • Gman

          Hey LT: Why do you say that ? I would love to have you bestow your age related wisdom on me so that i can “see” things as clearly as you apparently do. Would you like to guess my age ? Surely wed all can deduce that you are several decades old from the wisdom that you have promulgated for us to digest in this forum. i just wish that i was intelligent enough to follow it all. Help me, PLEASE !!!

          • Joe H.

            Gman,
            have you ever heard the term “educated fool??” It’s a person that goes to college all those years and still learns nothing about life.
            If you are as old as you try to make yourself feel, then that description fits you to a “T”!!!

          • libertytrain

            Sorry kid, you need to discover your own wisdom and what you wrote up there has been written on this site so many times already – like someone has just discovered some new found knowledge only it’s been written again and again and again. And still one more time tonight by somehow trying to enlighten us, with the same stuff… We do read too you know.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Gman,Liberty, and Pastor Buddy:

        All creators are born on December 25. Christ is mostly faschioned after Mithra.Christ also is a solar myth

        Being a solar deity, Mithra was worshipped on Sundays; after Mithra had become ….. Pagan origins of the Christ Myth – a page that in pictorial fashion presents …
        http://freetruth.50webs.org/B1c.htm

        • libertytrain

          coal —- I know this is shocking but I’ve been around a long time as well and have read much of what you seem to find a mind-blowing discovery.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Wrong Liberty,

            I have being debunking religious ignorance for the past sixty years.I despise all religious phonies,incuding that piece of work I called mom.What she did to my dad and other innocent people I can’t forgive her. If their is such thing as pure evil she was it.Remember that one blog I posted,the people I told you she hurt. When it comes to religion you have nothing on me.They are all the same.Have a good day.

          • Joe H.

            coal miner,
            Sadly, the only thing I can say is she dam sure lacked in the child rearing skills. Look at what she left as a legacy!! YOU!!

          • libertytrain

            Coal sorry you hate your mother. Your hate has turned you into one sad soul… let it go, you’ve festered for way too many years.

          • http://deleted Claire

            coal miner– I agree with libertytrain-let it go. You have a heart and a soul. And I do see goodness in you. Concentrate on this goodness.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Come,join and learn about the wonders of the universe.Join the growing pantheist movement.All races and creeds are welcome.

          Pantheism. The Web’s leading resource on pantheist history, theory and practice.
          http://www.pantheism.net/paul/index.htm

          • Joe H.

            No Thanks CM, I don’t care to be involved in your worship of nothingness and by the alternate route the DEVIL! It would not suprise me to know your whole family, kids included are ASHAMED to know you!!!

      • Alex Frazier

        Luther didn’t change it. December 25th is the recorded date of the nativity as early as the fourth and fifth centuries. Paulus Orosius gives December 25th as the date, as does the Chronographer of 354. Depending on the quality of your library, you can find the information in the following books:

        Theodor Mommsen, Chronographus Anni CCCLIIII, in Chronica Minora, Monumenta Germaniae Historica, vol. 1 (Berlin: Weidmann, 1892), 56.

        See also the Consularia Constantinopolitana, in The Chronicle of Hydatius and the Consularia Constantinopolitana: Two Contemporary Accounts of the Final Years of the Roman Empire, trans. R. W. Burgess (New York: Oxford University Press, 1993), 226.

        Also the Chronica of Cassiodorus, in Chronica Minora, ed. Theodore Mommsen, vol. 2, Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Berlin: Weidmann, 1892), 109-161, which lists, “Octaviano XIII et Silano: natus est Christus die VIII kl. Ian.” i.e. Christ was born on the 8th day before the kalends of January in the consulship of Octavian XIII and Marcus Plautius Silvanus, which is December 25th of 2 BCE.

        You’re probably right that Jesus was likely born around September or October. But the history of the December 25th birth goes back at least as early as the fourth century.

        • libertytrain

          Alex, you’ve brought up great references – the only thing I would like to add is that for me, it doesn’t matter what date was chosen to celebrate His birth. Only that we do.

      • Maranatha

        Gman
        As far as the celebration of Christmas in its time and date you are correct. I shall not go into the historical facts. However, the purpose for Christmas in my heart is the celebration of the birth of our Saviour Jesus Christ. The making of that event into a money spending craze is deplorable. The benefit of it is that at least once a year people open their hearts up to God and to others and try to bring peace and joy to those they know, love and appreciate. I know why I celebrate Christmas, and it isn’t a pagan holiday to me. It is a special day when my family and I give ourselves afresh to the Devine Saviour who loved us and gave himself for us. You cannot take that away from me!

  • Okie Ron

    If you read Kevin Philip’s book “American Theocracy” he speaks of ongoing conversations he had with Barry Goldwater prior to his death. Goldwater feared the extreme right-wing push from the Karlrovian, Glennbeckian, Nixonian, radicalism nowadays that palms itself off as “conservative”. Under the Fox News, et al. litmus test of who is a Republican, it would preclude the membership of Dwight Eisenhower (Big Government Communist who invested taxpayer dollars on an “Interstate Highway System”, and served in the military–which was frowned upon in the Cheney Administration), Theodore Roosevelt (Hated Big Corporate by suggesting child labor protections and anti-trust regulation), and Abraham Lincoln (Big-Government elite from Illinois who sent our boys to die on behalf of re-distribution of wealth from well-off white land owners to NonAmericans who didn’t even have birth certificates [Libs will call it "freeing the slaves"]. All of these Enemies of America would have been swiftboated in the S. Carolina primary, sparing our great nation from their perfidies. But it begs the question: Who are the real RINO’s here? Why don’t they just call the “Party of Lincoln” the, I dunno, “Party of John Wilkes Booth”–now there’s an innocent American simply exercising his “second amendment remedies”. It isn’t his fault if Lincoln’s skull got in the way.

    • Alex

      Good one.

    • Mountain Saint

      Okie, President Eisenhower was a Nationalist first and foremost. He built the interstate highways and got rid of the illegal aliens for national security and sovereignty reasons. He restored Capitalism and gor rid of much of FDR’s Socialism. As a consequence, the nation thrived… The Eisenhower years were the happiest and most prosperous times in American history. Now Dads could support the family with just his income and Moms could stay at home and raise the kids…President Eisenhower was the best president of the 20th Century.

      • Okie Ron

        Unfortunately, the Eisenhower Years, like every time since pretty much 1763 (The Proclamation Line Decree of King Geo. III) have been modeled on unsustainable growth. We only got away with it this long because we’re 5% of the world’s population, sucking down 20% of it’s resources and turning them into Nintendo II’s that we could dump into the landfills to make room for our Nintendo 2.5′s. I don’t believe anyone can solve the dilemma we (western civ) has marooned ourselves in. It’s projected that, if Asia (China/India/Pakistan, etc.) fully implement the American Way of Life as these olde-timey nostalgia Republicans keep harkening back to, we will need another half a planet in 30 years to keep up with demand. The problems we face are so much more vast than our spin-machines would dare ever tell us, or we’d stop buying junk. Faced with those kind of sobering decisions, by all means, let’s spin in circles on Obama’s Hitler moustache and who hates America more and who’s the greatest RINO. It’ll be fun! ‘Like listening to the dance band on the Titanic.

        • Jeep

          What’s that? Is that the phone ringing? Wait a sec… Hey, it’s Moscow calling, they say they miss you and want you to come home…

        • Joe H.

          SO, Okie,
          You support presidential asassination??? After saying that on the net, I would stay away from DC if I were you!!! Then again, since you obviously think Abummer is doing the right thing, go ahead and visit there. We can do without your vote!!!

        • Joe H.

          Jeep,
          don’t bee suprised, I saw a show on discovery the other nite that said that there is a group of Lee harvey Oswald worshipers. i guess it shows some people will worship anything, or in coal miners case NOTHING!!!

  • CoCowboy

    Well, So is Mitt O’Robme… So, There’s not a great option. AND… In case nobody is paying attention Cerberus bought up all of the Gun, Ammo and Tactical clothing companies. That was reported on Sunday.

    My peresonal experience with Cerberus is that they consolidate companies, rip them apart and bankrupt them… so much for American made guns and ammo… Oh sure, it might last a year – don’t hold your breath, but I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Obama himself set this crap up!

    Dan Quayle is the CEO of that division of Cerberus. UNFORTUNATELY, On Tuesday, Ole Danny boy endorsed Mitt “I hate guns” O’Robmey… oops, I meant O’Romney

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/04/BUJ91M4HL0.DTL

    At least Newt has stated on video within the past year that he supports the 2nd amendment.

  • Alex

    Dear Mr Livingston,

    Newt Gingrich is “anti-gun”—-please explain. If this is so, I may have a bit of new-found respect for him, although I would NEVER vote for him!

    Again, please explain Newt’s ant-gun views—something I missed….

    Thanks, Alex

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      See my responses to Patriot II and Marilyn above.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Lastmanstanding

      He has… in 2 places…scroll up

    • Cawmun Cents

      This is a job for”LIEUTENANT HINDSIGHT!”

      Sorry Bob,
      I couldnt help myself.Guess thats why I rely on Christ.
      -CC.

      • Cawmun Cents

        (Incidentally,Lieutenant Hindsight is a fictitional character who moves backward,seeing only through the rearview mirrors attached to his head.He works alongside his partner in super heroeness,Captain Obvious.)

        • Joe H.

          AH YES CC,
          but he has to battle his arch enemy, pvt. Cantcomprehend!!!

  • Karen

    I will vote for Mitt Romney because he is the only candidate among those remaining who can defeat Obama. Romney is a moral, upstanding, family man with a commitment to do whatever is possible to bring this country back to prosperity and to the principles upon which it was founded. He has the moral commitment to ensure the Constitution is upheld. Listen to Mitt–give him the chance he deserves.

    • bp

      Karen; Don’t drink the “lame-stream” media kool-aid. You should NOT vote for whomever they support (like McCain in ’08). Please do your own homework, but I’m voting for the one who “doesn’t stand a chance”.

  • Bob Wilson

    Here are a few emails I received. All I know is we can’t afford 4 more years of Obama.

    A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves.”
    NEXT TIME DO YOUR HOMEWORK .
    OBAMA IS A KENYAN,MARXIST,MUSLIM PROFESSOR.
    NEW LENIN AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
    REMEMBER “The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is
    to be governed by men worse than themselves.”-Plato.

    IN HIS OWN WORDS. . . . . .

    2008: “Navy Seal Team 6 is Cheney’s private assassination team.”

    2011: “I put together Seal Team 6 to take out Bin Laden.”

    2008: “Bin Laden is innocent until proven guilty, and must be captured alive and given a fair trial.”

    2011: “I authorized Seal Team 6 to kill Bin Laden.”

    2008: “Guantanamo is entirely unnecessary, and the detainees should not be interrogated.”

    2011: “Vital intelligence was obtained from Guantanamo detainees that led to our locating Bin Laden.”

    I HOPE THIS GETS SENT AROUND TO PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH!
    Quote of the Day:
    “If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you’re not a racist, you need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot.”

    IN CASE YOU STILL CHOOSE TO THINK OBAMA IS/HAS BEEN GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY…..

    OBAMA’S RECORD TO DATE — AND COUNTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    October 17th, 2011 marks President Obama’s 1000th day in office
    ————————————————————————-
    Obama, 13 days into his presidency:

    “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s gonna be a one-term proposition.” [source 1="Obama:" 2="More" 3="Govt" 4="Action" 5="Needed" 6="As" 7="Additional" 8="Banks" 9="Fail" 10="//" 11="2" 12="February" 13="2009" 14="//" 15="Dow" 16="Jones" 17="News" 18="Service" language=":"][/source]

    1,000 DAYS OF OBAMA !!!!!!!!:

    DEBT: Total Public Debt Outstanding has increased by $4.2 trillion [source 1="Treasury" 2="Dept" language=":"][/source]

    MORE DEBT: America accumulated as much debt over the past 1,000 days as it had in the country’s first 79,135 days (July 4, 1776 through March 3, 1993) [source 1="Treasury" 2="Dept" language=":"][/source]

    DEBT PER DAY: America’s debt has increased by about an average of $4.2 billion per day [source 1="Treasury" 2="Dept" language=":"][/source]

    INTEREST ON U.S. DEBT: $1.2 trillion has been spent servicing U.S. debt—that by itself would be the world’s 15th largest economy
    [source 1="Treasury" 2="Dept" language=":"][/source]

    JOBS: 2.22 million jobs lost [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]
    POVERTY: Nearly 3 million more Americans in poverty—poverty rate has gone from 13.2% to 15.1% [source 1="Census" language=":"][/source]

    FOOD STAMPS: 12 million more Americans living off of food stamps [source 1="Dept" 2="of" 3="Agriculture" 4="//" 5="Supplemental" 6="Nutrition" 7="Assistance" 8="Program" language=":"][/source]

    GOVERNMENT SPENDING: Spent more than $9.6 trillion – 60% more than the federal government has taken in [source 1="OMB" 2="and" 3="CBO" language=":"][/source]

    MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING: Under Obama, the govt has spent an average of $6.6 million every minute and $111,111 every second [source 1="OMB" 2="and" 3="CBO" language=":"][/source]

    CHINA: Owns $1.17 trillion of our debt (as of July) – a 58% increase from January 2009 [source 1="Treasury" 2="Dept" language=":"][/source]

    GOVERNMENT JOBS: Excluding the U.S. Post Office, Federal Government has added 140,000 jobs [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]

    UNEMPLOYMENT RATE: Has averaged 9.4% under Obama [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]
    MORE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE: Has been at or above 9% for 840 of the 1000 days [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]

    UNDEREMPLOYED: Nearly 5 million more Americans are underemployed [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]
    REGULATIONS – NEW RULES: 7,076 new final regulatory rules issued [source 1="Federal" 2="Register" language=":"][/source]

    REGULATIONS – FEDERAL REGISTER: 45,696 pages of new regulatory rules were added to the Federal Register
    [source 1="National" 2="Archives" 3="and" 4="Records" 5="Administration," 6="Office" 7="of" 8="the" 9="Federal" 10="Register," 11="various" 12="years" language=":"][/source]

    AVERAGE WEEKS UNEMPLOYED: Unemployed out of work for an average of 40.5 weeks – that’s more than double since Jan 2009 [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]

    JOB APPROVAL RATING: Dropped nearly 30 percentage points [source 1="Gallup" 2="Tracking" language=":"][/source]
    SPEECHES AND PUBLIC REMARKS: Roughly 806 speeches/public remarks made – once every 1.24 days [source language=":http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches"][/source]

    SPEECHES — JOBS: Has said the word “jobs” 4,718 times in 591 speeches [source 1="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches" language=":"][/source]

    SPEECHES — ECONOMY: Has said the word “economy” 4,541 times in 605 speeches [source 1="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches" language=":"][/source]

    CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE: Has decreased by 168,000 [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]

    MANUFACTURING: 818,000 manufacturing jobs lost — a -6.5% drop since Jan. 2009 [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]

    BANK FAILURES: 371 Banks have failed [source 1="FDIC" language=":"][/source]

    STATES: 37 States have higher unemployment rates [source 1="BLS" language=":"][/source]

    GOLF: 82 rounds of golf — average of one round every 12 days [source 1="Mark" 2="Knoller," 3="CBS" 4="–Fox" 5="News" 6="Tracking" language=":"][/source]

    REPOSSESSIONS: More than 2.4 million homes have been repossessed for failure to pay their mortgage [source 1="RealtyTrac" language=":"][/source]

    BANKRUPTCIES: Some 4 million total (business and non-business) bankruptcies [source 1="American" 2="Bankruptcy" 3="Institute" language=":"][/source]

    GAS PRICES: Up more than 80% and has been over $3/gallon every day in 2011 [source 1="AAA/OPIS" language=":"][/source]

    UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS: Almost $380 billion spent by federal government on unemployment benefits [source 1="Treasury" 2="Dept" 3="and" 4="CBO" language=":"][/source]

    ECONOMIC TEAM: 7 key members of Obama’s Economic team have resigned [Summers, Romer, Bernstein, Orszag, Goolsbee Volker and Rouse] [source 1="News" 2="Reports/Tracking" language=":"][/source]

    HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS: Health insurance premiums (family coverage) up 9% this year and 12.7% from 2009[source 1="Kaiser" 2="Family" 3="Foundation" language=":"][/source]

    MEDIAN INCOME: Real median household income in the U.S. in 2010 was $49,445, a -2.3% decline from 2009 [source 1="Census" 2="Dept" language=":"][/source]

    ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY: Spent more than $26 billion on the EPA – FY2011’s spending will be about 40% more than FY2009 [source 1="Treasury" 2="and" 3="OMB" language=":"][/source]

    • skippy

      GOOD STUFF BOB WILSON!!!! GLAD YOU ARE DOING HOMEWORK FOR EVERYONE!!!

    • Gman

      Hey Bob: What about all of the stuff that the other POTUS’ have done that was not so good for the country ? I don’t see you writing anything about GWB’s two unfunded wars, or the tax cuts for the wealthy that have not been paid for that Congress, with it’s 44 millionaires wants to keep. Let’s be fair. One man cannot, especially by himself, right the wrongs foisted on the people of this country even if he had tenure in perpetuity. And especially if he happens to not be of European descent. Just won’t happen in America; we all know it. In fact, in accounting for most all of the wars on any global significance, it hasn’t been those “coloreds” who started these things, has it ?

      • Joe H.

        Careful there Gman, you’ll break your nose on Abummer’s behind!!!

      • JC

        Oh Look! Gman the RACE PIMP is back!
        This must be the entertainment portion of the thread. ;)

        • APN

          He must be exempt from racism through affirmative action.

  • Alex

    The Presidential race is really no longer an issue—the GOP has already handed President Barack Hussein Obama four more years on a silver platter.

    The question now is: How far back will the voters roll the wave of imbecilic, child-abandoning Tea Party representatives?

    Obviously, after eight years of failed Bush Tax Cuts and the continued GOP attack on America’s working families, the true colors of the Teagaggers (Red-White-and Boo hoo hoo) are showing, and all those freshmen Republican neo-Nazis who rode into town in November of 2010 are shaking in their boots! HAAA!!!

    • realist

      And that makes you rejoice? Hmmmmm God Bless America!

    • Joe H.

      alex,
      do us a favor and bet your computer on that!!! That way WHEN Abummer loses, we won’t have to put up with your BS!!

  • C. Dunham

    Rick S. and Michelle B. are the only true conservatives in the Race!!! Wake up or lose your country!!!

    • Joe H.

      Mr. Dunham,
      True conservatives don’t vote for ANY of the un-Patriot act!!!

    • PATRIOT 101

      I’m fine with either Bachmann or Santorum, but my preference is RON PAUL!
      If anyone here is for Santorum or Bachmann SUPPORT THEM NOW or you won’t have them around to support after the Iowa caucus! They both need to just come in ahead of Romney to be viable candidates. This type of finish in Iowa will allow them to raise money and go on. If they finish behind Romney and Gingrich they are about toast (done)!
      I’m from Iowa and follow this closely. Where Bachmann and Santorum finish in regards to RON PAUL is not all that important. I expect RON PAUL will either win or finish a strong 2nd in Iowa. This means Bachmann and Santorum need to finish 3 & 4.
      Gingrich may hold on to his lead in Iowa, but over 70% of Iowa caucus goers are either undecided or say they could switch. This is good for Bachmann and Santorum because as voters here discover how “Progressive” Newt’s record is I think his support will shift to Paul, Bachmann and Santorum. It would be nice to see these three finish 1,2 & 3 in any order so support them NOW! Send them (Bachmann, Paul or Santorum) donations NOW or when it gets to be your turn to vote in the primaries, they may already be gone! A donation now is going to worth 1000x as much as a donation in the general election.

  • mjr47

    WHY is Newt considered the only OTHER option to Obama?? We still have time to get a candidate on the ballot. Because the media and most in Congress want to continue the system of Big Govt as usual and ignore our Constitutional Rights, we are being told WHO we should vote for and WHO has a chance. THEY are wrong!!! We DO have a choice!! Ron Paul is being ignored…like he doesn’t exist. The TRUTH is that he is very popular and within only a few points of being the favorite contender. They believe if they IGNORE him, he will go away and the people will not realize how close he is in the polls. He is ONE of the few, if not the only ONE who has refused to take the American People to the “cleaners”. He has not flip flopped or changed his message over his entire political career. There is a reason that Texas continues to send him back with their VOTE. Ron Paul does the job he was elected to do!!! Wouldn’t THAT be refreshing to have a President in the White House who actually listened to the People who elected him and believes in the Constitution!! If you really want to have your Constitutional Rights respected, vote to have Ron Paul put on the ballot representing the Republican Party. All the other options are “business as usual”!

  • Bill

    I have read many of the comments with interest. It is rather clear that many of us believe that Obama needs to be sent back to where ever he came from and we need to elect a president that is conservative, keeps his acts within the limits of the constitution, reduces the government to a workable size, gets our debt problem under control, cuts the extreme waste that we see today, etc. We also need to have limited terms for our representatives (congressmen & senators), give them reasonable salary but do not allow them to vote their own salary, living expenses, travel expenses, etc. They need to be put on Social Security for each of their limited terms, with no other retirement. Bet we would see the Social Security Problems solved at once and their habit of using the S. S. Trust Funds as a Slush Fund would stop immediately. Ron Paul does seem to be the only “Real Conservative” in the RACE!!!

    • Joe H.

      bill,
      Agree 150%!! now tell me Dunham, above, THAT!!!

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    Conservative? the term “conservative” has been taken to mean a set of political doctrines – actually, according to Dr. Charlie Weeks – the Professor of History at what is now Southern Polytechnic State University Conservative means keeping things as they are – corrupt – unaccountable – rampant Political Bias Syndrome where both sides blame the other yes dismiss without examination their own flaws – search Dr. Drew Westen, Emory University.

    Treason is Rampant – Newt is CFR like the rest of the TRAITORS – he was instrumental in getting NAFTA passed that has devastated our economy – also he is known to have been at the Satanic Bohemian Grove. Both sides of the Hegelian Dialectic need to cease blindly dismissing their own flaws – cease blame shifting – hold thier own accountable – accountable means indict and prosecute traitors – if found guilty hang them publically.

    We need to stop accepting blindly the STATED GOALS they sell us – the real issue is the horrid UNSTATED GOALS of the reign of the Beast per Revelation 13

    • Cawmun Cents

      Is this yet another edumactaed nutbag,who spouts his literacy from the very same folks who made the White House into the Ivy League Academics Home for Disturbed Progressive Liberals?
      I will take a stab at this one and say….yep.
      Ah yes….lets go to Mr.Wizard so he can show us the ipso-facto!
      Sorry folks,I was feeling sarcastic this morning…gotta learn to supress that desire.-CC.

      • bp

        CC; like “Ivy League Academics Home for Disturbed Progressive Liberals”! Progressive is another word for Communist/Socialist.

  • sb36695

    ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!

  • http://none BAP362

    Simply Put Newt Gingrich will finish the job that Bush and Obama were trying to complete. He will run this train right over the cliff. Bye Bye America ! I wonder what your grave stone will read?

  • theodorej

    Greetings All …. We are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic we are broke yet government unions, teachers,cops,firemen are ammune to the strife a small business owner is dealing with… Newt will come in like a whirlwind there might be some arrests… there will be some loosening of government around the neck of small business while agencies like EPA,DEC and education will be scaled down…sounds good right…Newt is a RINO but he is a refreshing alternative to the chamillion who presently occupies the office…

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Mimi

    Mr. Livingston you disappoint me profoundly. A man such as Newt Gingrich evolves like a lot us. His marriages are his business. He was acquitted of all but one charge in the past, which was not a question of corruption. At least be thorough. He has owned up to his mistakes, and spiritually as well. Wanda is right I believe. Anyone would be better than Obama, except Ron Paul and Huntsman. Paul is obviously too muddled about foreign and security policies. I think he’s become too old to make intelligent decisions, and like Jimmy Carter, is a danger to America, having become an extreme ideologue. We have real enemies that will do anything to kill us, and he doesn’t want us to do anything, but let them be? Really? Most of us can’t afford to build underground bomb shelters. Please stop maligning Newt Gingrich, it is stupid and counter productive. He can only do better than Obama. Huntsman isn’t real, he’s basically a well-dressed ‘empty suit’, as Imus said of Obama. Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, would all be superior to what we have now, a leech, spending the tax payers money to an extent that has become sinful.

    • Buddy

      Yes, Mimi, I agree that what we have now is a leech spending taxpayers’ money to a sinful extent. The office of USA president is to the present holder merely an “ego trip”. It seems that we have others in line to get on the same “ego trip”, including your evident favorite, Newt Gingrich.

      Your comment about Ron Paul does exhibit some prejudice. His foreign policy is similar to that of George Washington, which had served us well. Also you comment about Paul being too old to make intelligent decisions is offensive. As a WWII veteran, I am obviously older that Ron Paul and I seem to make intelligent decisions in my life. One of them may be to leave the country if the choice in 2012 is Obama or Gingrich.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Mimi

        Buddy, I would like to correct your understanding of my words,”too old” pertaining to Ron Paul. I was not making a blanket statement for older people, just Mr. Paul. Many older people retain their faculties better than many younger people. I am not young either, but I recognize when an older person does not have a realistic outlook. We have limited choices in this election. As I said, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum and Gingrich are better choices than what we have now. Are they more flawed than Barack Obama? I don’t believe so. Thanks to the Tea Party conservatives who were elected last November, they will exert influence on the next president. It would be a new and hopeful beginning.

        • Joe H.

          Mimi,
          “The lesser of two evils is still just that, EVIL”!!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            JoeH–I agree with you.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Mimi,

      Sorry, but you remain a captive of corporate media-controlled conventional wisdom. Paul an ideologue? Hardly. He’s a Constitutionalist. Too old to make intelligent decisions? Bah. His positions are the same today as they were 30 years ago. Muddled about foreign policy? Then so were Washington and Jefferson. I suggest you study Ron Paul’s positions and educate yourself rather than parrot what the MSM wants you to believe. Go to http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/.

      “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”—Barry Goldwater.

      And I would also remind you that I am no Republican. I am not beholden to any party or its establishment, nor will I be cowed to “toe the party line” by Republican ideologues.

      As for foreign policy, the U.S. has been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for many years, and overtly since the first Gulf War under daddy Bush. Ask yourself this question: Has more than 20 years of American interventionism in that region made things better or worse? I say worse. We are now bombing or occupying about six different countries and threatening two more. Open your eyes.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • stevor

    If he’s no RINO, he’s still a GLOBALIST and a puppet of the same folks that Romney, Perry, Hillary AND O’Bummer are. They all are being told to aim for a New World Order to “save” us but what it will really do is ENSLAVE us in the new FASCIST state where they are the rulers and we are the peasants/slaves.

  • bill

    Not that I am any better versed in what our so called government is doing ? but I firmly believe the RNC/DNC is in a cold sweat realizing We the People have woke up to their “perpetual employment scheme” Since many won’t buy Mitt Romney they
    are picking the other horse,Newt Gingrich.These two horses patoots are both ringers and the useful idiots,that once were,are now enlightened individuals.The
    RNC and DNC better come up with a better plan and quick !

  • DavidL

    Conservatives believe government is incompetent and, once again with the current republican/conservative circus, have the candidates to prove it.

    The only person in the race who has integrity, and is neither a crook, a blowhard, or a hypocrite is RON PAUL!

  • Curtis

    Ron Paul gets more popular everytime I read these.People are waking up!

    • former walmart person

      It litterally might be vote for Ron Paul or die. We vote in someother big government ahole with the same, tried and tired solutions, then we enter a finaical holocaust that will litterally kill people.

    • Wendell

      Curtis, why you are seeing the great popularity and support of Paul on this site is because 95 percent of the writers here are libertarians. Go to some of the other sites to get a true picture of what they think about Paul. Don’t get me wrong, I would vote for Paul if he were the nominee but he not the only one I would vote for.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Whizzer

    Yo Bob W. has it right… looks like all of us liberty & freedom loving, conservative (dare I say Christian) Americans are screwed if we don’t elect Ron Paul. OMG! give me a break! I really don’t know how some of you define your Christianity, but last time I checked my Bible there is only one person who walked the face of this earth who was sinless. Should we all commit suicide now or in November? If there is anyone we need to blame for Obama it is our Christian ministers who stand behind the pulpits week in & week out reciting sunday school stories, all the while neglecting to mention a word about how the entire nation is collapsing morally, ethically, spiritually and politically. Why is it that only black ministers have the right to tell their congregations who to vote for (Jerimiah Wright). I’ve talked to several “men of God” and none of them want to address the issues confronting our nation because they are too afraid of losing their tax exempt status. Hey Christian brothers & sisters you have sat silent and let these politicians run this country into the ground & now your debating if Newt is a “Rino”? You make me laugh! This nation has a spiritual problem! The Church has lost the “culture war”, and now you sit here and whine about all our problems when you refused to get involved in your local school boards, you refused to take a stand against abortion, and we wonder why God is about to judge this nation? All I can say is “take the Red pill Neo”.

  • R Hill

    Bob,

    Good article; however, I would like to know your opinion on who are the true conservatives and who the Tea Party should be supporting. From my perspective, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum are the only true conservatives. I am supporting both, but would love to have some company and support from you and others.

    • bp

      RHill; you are right on target. Paul is a libertarian.

  • Okie Ron

    Ever since, oh, pretty much 1763 (The Proclamation Line Decree of King Geo. III)America has been built on unsustainable growth. We only got away with it this long because we’re 5% of the world’s population, sucking down 20% of it’s resources and turning them into Nintendo II’s that we could dump into the landfills to make room for our Nintendo 2.5′s. I don’t believe anyone can solve the dilemma we (western civ) has marooned ourselves in. It’s projected that, if Asia (China/India/Pakistan, etc.) fully implement the American Way of Life as these olde-timey nostalgia Republicans keep harkening back to, we will need another half a planet in 30 years to keep up with demand. The problems we face are so much more vast than our spin-machines would dare ever tell us, or we’d stop buying junk. Faced with those kind of sobering decisions,compromises, and dead-serious problem-solving, by all means, let’s spin in circles on Obama’s Hitler moustache and who hates America more and who’s the greatest RINO. It’ll be fun! ‘Like listening to the dance band on the Titanic.

    • former walmart person

      There is plenty of “stuff” to go around for a planet of up to 15 billion or so. The reason people are in poverty and miserable is becuase of powerful government and powerful corporations denying those resources. America became the richest and most powerful country because we had freedom. Its hard to be productive and to increase the net standard of living for everyone when you live in a socialist bananna republic or in Africa when you genocide is as African as Apple pie is American.

    • Joe H.

      Okie Ron,
      how many times are you gonna regurgitate this proggish crap from your handlers?? Is it the only “fact” that you know?? Tell your people that we are getting wise to them….AND YOU!!!

  • Al Hill

    Bob,
    I have a question. Who says Newt is anti-gun? Sorry. Couldn’t resist that.

    What I really would like to know is, which of the current crop of Republican candidates are members of the Council on Foreign Relations (or the Bilderbergers or the Trilateralist Commission).

    That would help us sort out the “new world order” candidates.

  • Meg

    His wife thinks she is an elistist. Secret service would be stopping traffic while she shopped at Tiffany’s. Would make a very poor first lady. He is a globalist as has been mentioned here and will be almost as bad as what we have now. He does not have my vote.

  • Mountain Saint

    Karen, what is so moral and upstanding about Romney when he gave Massachusetts same-sex marriages when he could have stood on moral and constitutional grounds and given the problem to the legislature? What is so moral and upstanding about Romney giving his state Socialized Medicine costing the tax payers billions and providing lousy service? What is so moral and outstanding about Romney when he is flip flopping on almost every issue? And what is so moral and outstanding about Romney and his Mormon (Utah) Compact that wants to give amnesty to the 38,000,000 illegal aliens who are stealing nearly 100% of all new low-end jobs, bankrupting government with their welfare demands and dumbing down our education by us trying to teach their undisciplined and unteachable kids…Romney is a RINO and a Globalist. No self-respecting Christian or Conservative can vote for him.

    • Aurelio

      First, he didn’t give Mass. “same sex marriages”, he was in favor of some kind of legal union. Second, the Mass. health care law was not and is not “socialized medicine”, it’s carried out by private insurance companies. The failure of the system consisted in parts of it that Romney vetoed, but his veto was overrode by a massive democratic majority in the most liberal state of the union. Third, he authorized the police in Mass. to stop and arrest illegal aliens and delivered them to the Immigration Authorities.
      Fourth, he balanced the budget in Taxassachussetts without raising taxes. And to finalize, he’s been married to the same woman for more than forty years, has been extremely active in his church and has donated millions to charity. Ronald Reagan the best President that I’ve known in my life time, was a liberal democrat in his early years, a unionized liberal democrat, who later evolved into a more conservative approach to politics. What many people call flip-flopping,others call simply “a process of mental evolution sprung from their personal experience.” David Horrowits an unblemished conservative was a liberal dem. in the sixties, and so was Dr. Charles Krauthammer, the brilliant Psychiatrist and conservative contributor in Fox News.
      But, thanks to the brilliance of our Founding Fathers, we have a nation where we can disagree all we want, and choose the candidate of our liking.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Your campaign against Newt Gingrich seems to be falling on deaf ears, except for the Paulbots constantly present on this site. Thank God there all alternative sources of information and thought.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Capitalist at Birth,

      And your evidence of this is…?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • DaveH

      Crony Capitalist at Birth don’t need no dang evidence.

    • JC

      Hey it’s Socialist at Birth…shouldn’t you be over ay HUFFPO?

  • Aurelio

    Conservatism is a philosophy that aims at high moral standards, where the individual exerts control over his instinctual appetites, trying to live his life within the limits of convention. In politics, it extols respect for the law and freedom from excessive and intrusive government. Newt can’t be found within these parameters, he never meant to be like this. But as a creature of this planet, he needs to survive, using any tool at his disposal like lying and cheating. I can’t understand how a so-called conservative commentator like Sean Hannity, can support this man and try to shove him down our throats as a consistent conservative, when his only consistency has been his greed and his ego-centrism. Newt Gingrich has been morally bankrupt since he was in his father’s testes, a prolific by-product of a corrupted system. A person’s value as a politician has to be a loyal reflection of his moral standards as an individual, and that is imprinted in his track record. No other candidate in this election cycle, with the dishonorable exception of Herman Cain, has shown this kind of moral turpitude.

  • Anita

    I too, am in a quandary as to who should be the one to lead our country out of this very serious mess. At this time, I am back to not knowing my preference. However, I do know that it will be whomever is chosen and certainly not Obama.

  • http://www.WallStreetCorner.com Larry Oakley

    Rosanne & I have studied all of the Republican candidates & our first choice is Ron Paul, who has been consistent in his efforts to help this country to prosper again. Newt has some positive aspects, but he has some negative ones that worry us. Mitt Romney can be much better in any debate than Obama of course, but Ron Paul plus a VP choice who would be able to substantially help Ron Paul to beat Obama is our hope.

    • Joe H.

      RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

  • Dingle

    When McCain was put up by the Republicans, many said that the party was dead. Nothing has changed since then to say it is any different. The answer is to dump the Republican Party. I’m no fan of the Libertarian Party; how about the Constitution Party? No, we will all go down the drain arguing who is right while the Democrats are completely happy to see our country fail.

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Livingston says, “But in truth, the Republican establishment has always been about growing government, and that’s why neither Goldwater nor Reagan was embraced by the Party elites.”

    …And it was the Republican voter that put Reagan in office, along with Reagan Democrats who saw a weakness in Jimmy Carter’s approach to FOREIGN policy. These are the same Republicans and Democrats who would be reluctant to vote for Ron Paul for the simple reason that he’s deemed to be soft and isolationist in the area of foreign affairs.

    And it cannot be forgotten that Reagan’s BIG spending of taxpayer dollars on military containment was the straw that broke the back of the Soviet economy; they just couldn’t keep up with us.

    It doesn’t matter what Dr. Paul ACTUALLY said regarding America’s partial culpability for 9/11, or about the treatment of US citizens on the battlefield as enemy combatants, or about letting Iran obtain a nuclear weapons capability. It doesn’t matter that he’s non-interventionist and not isolationist. What matters is the PERCEPTION of the voter when time comes to cast a ballot. And even the Republican establishment itself will guarantee that he never becomes the nominee.

    In the area of Constitutional limited government and fiscal (and monetary) responsibility, no one offers the remedy for our sickness as clearly as Dr. Paul. But he finds himself in the unenviable position of being the physician who prescribes a medicine the country badly needs but is unwilling to take. He fully understands that it takes more than one person to do the job. And until the traitorous dross is removed from all branches of government, DC will continue on its path of destroying the dreams of freedom and individual responsibility.

    His crucial function in the political arena has been to turn the debate to the questions which so badly need an answer if we hope to survive as a sovereign nation. In this he has been partly successful, but not successful enough. Perhaps a more appropriate analogy would be that of Cassandra, the daughter of Priam and Hecuba, a prophet cursed by Apollo so that her prophecies, though true, were fated never to be believed.

  • Michael Hardesty

    Great piece, Bob ! Your title fooled me and what a pleasant surprise your editorial turned out to be. You hit the nail right on the head.
    Ron Paul’s the only real alternative to the Demopublicans.
    Even in his case I have to overlook my total opposition to his anti-abortion stand but he’s good 99% of the time.
    The many Newt apologists here on this board are total evaders of what the great Ayn Rand referred to as Objective Reality.
    GOP Evil Lesserism has run its course.

    • bp

      Totally agree, MH, well said. Paul/Bachmann has my vote.

    • Vigilant

      “Even in his case I have to overlook my total opposition to his anti-abortion stand but he’s good 99% of the time.”

      I suspect you don’t fully understand Dr. Paul’s position on that issue, just as so many Libertarians themselves don’t understand his position on legalization of drugs.

      He is a Constitutionalist in the best sense of the word. Whatever his personal opinions are, the most important thing is his principled belief that the Federal government has no business in telling us how to act vis-a-vis abortion or drug legalization.

      The Constitution is VERY clear on that score. It’s up to the states to decide those things, if the people of those states so vote.

  • Gregory B

    A Newt by any other name is still… not good.

    Call him a RINO, Republican, Washington Insider, undercover Liberal Democrat, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny – doesn’t matter. Regardless of his label, he is a vehicle of the Status Quo. If you like the way America is right now and want it to continue in the direction it’s currently headed, then vote for Newt.

    I want the guy who views the Oval Office not as a throne room, but as a platform to serve. I want the guy who has the strength to resist taking unlawful power and corrupting money. I want the guy who may very well be wrong about a few things BUT who has the honesty, integrity, and humility to admit when he’s made a mistake and CHANGE his stance if reality proves his idea doesn’t work.

    This is something Ronald Reagan did when his foreign policy in the Middle East didn’t work out right. He thought it would work, it didn’t, so he changed his policy accordingly. This is something our current leaders do not do. They think they’re right and refuse to believe they are wrong when reality clearly tells them their ideas don’t work.

  • Gregory B

    …Ron Paul will be like Reagan in the sense that if he discovers that his foreign policy doesn’t work, he will change it accordingly.

  • bp

    Newt Gingrich is intelligent, smooth talker (but no teleprompters) & believes he has already won the nomination. However, WE THE PEOPLE have not yet spoken & should not believe the “lame-stream” media about who “doesn’t have a chance”! In fact,we should probably vote for that person. We need an anti-government President or we will witness the collapse & loss of our beloved country. 2012 may be our last chance if it’s not already too late. See Bachmann’s interview @ http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.glennbeck.com%2F2011%2F12%2F07%2Fmichele-bachmann-responds-to-gingrich-on-gbtv-in-interview-with-glenn%2F&h=WAQGZpE4RAQH16b5uuxsIXAypntlB9WKI9iU1jIMv5_p77g

    • Vigilant

      bp says,

      “However, WE THE PEOPLE have not yet spoken & should not believe the “lame-stream” media about who “doesn’t have a chance”! In fact,we should probably vote for that person.”

      It’s been said that the MSM is afraid of the threat posed by Ron Paul, and therefore they marginalize him. Nothing could be further from the truth. Not only do they not fear him, it’s a miracle they haven’t embraced him and tried to push him to the top.

      Why? Because they know that if he runs, the Democrat nominee will win the election hands down.

      Notwithstanding Dr. Paul’s excellent (and correct) analysis of military adventurism on the part of the government, and his wise position of pulling our troops out of areas they don’t belong, he has made other foreign policy pronouncements (Iran) that will turn off the average voter, both Democrat and Republican.

      Mr. Livingston’s December 2nd blog on “What is Normal?” makes it very clear that he recognizes the reality of the situation: “Republican voters believe this way and see this as a normal policy.”

      He’s entirely correct in his assessment, to the detriment of a Ron Paul run for the presidency. Likely Paul would gain the independent vote, but voters in hordes would leave the Republican fold or simply not vote for Paul.

      • Joe H.

        Vigilant,
        I disagree, bud. the media is marginalizing Dr. Paul because they KNOW that if they give him equal attention, he will grow in popularity as most all of his plan would agree with what the voters want. the american populace are growing weary of having their sons and daughters killed in the name of false defense, they are also tired of having to support millions of illegals that are collecting welfare illegally! They have had enough of the pols that promise on their dear mothers grave to vote one way just to find out they voted another!! They are tired of living the lives of slaves to a government that cares not one wit about them, their kids or the American way of life. the government they have only cares about themselves and what they can gain monetarily from their associations while in office!! Dr. Paul is the anti-thesis of this nightmare!!!

        • Vigilant

          Joe H.,

          After your second sentence, I can’t agree more. Your assessment is correct.

          However, please consider that the foreign policy question is a categorical thesis, split into two very different areas: non-nuclear and nuclear. And I believe the electorate has very valid concerns when we talk about the latter.

          For almost 9 years of my 24-year career in the USAF I was an auditor of both domestic and international military programs. I can confirm that the military-Industrial complex is fraught with contractor fraud, waste and abuse. There’s no reason for me to doubt that hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars have been flushed down the toilet to line the pockets of politicians, corporations and yes, even civilian and military personnel in the Armed Forces.

          It is also abundantly clear to me, and I believe it would be clear to Americans if they were to become knowledgeable, that there is no need for thousands of US troops in places like Japan, South Korea or Western Europe, primarily Germany. Moreover, our military adventurism in the name of “nation building” has become so counterproductive that it will not only fail, it will create more instability than ever, once we leave the Middle East.

          Instability breeds opportunism, and with the inevitable growth of Islamist theocracies, Iran has reaped the windfall. Its tentacles have reached out in the form of financial and military support to insidious groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran’s aims are clear: first, to encircle Israel with hostile parties, second, to wipe that nation off the face of the earth, third, to establish a hegemony that would ultimately result in a Persian Islamic Theocracy spread wide, and fourth, to destroy the “Great Satan.”

          There can little doubt that our adventurism, no matter how well-intentioned, has contributed to the turmoil. However, the humongous wild card is Iran’s incipient ability to build and deliver nuclear weapons. I firmly believe that the American public could be educated to buy off on most of Dr. Paul’s foreign policy pronouncements, but I also believe they will never accede to a non-interventionist policy with regards to Iran. Nor do I believe the public will accept a failure to put in place a set of draconian economic sanctions to bring that country to its knees, something Dr. Paul has characterized as an act of war.

          This, then, is where I feel Dr. Paul has misstepped (with regard to electability). I find it especially distressing that he offers the best solution to our domestic evils, and that he would indeed be the strongest contender for the presidency, were it not for his stance on Iran, which the public at large identifies with appeasement. It is his Achilles’ heel.

          • Joe H.

            Vigilant,
            Dr Paul would bring all our troops home to guard OUR borders not another nations. he would NOT nation build, he doesn’t believe in it. He has already spoken on the governemnt waste and is against it, why would you not think he would trim waste from the military industrial complex? I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

          • Vigilant

            I apologize, Joe H, if I’ve been unclear. Yes, I’m certain Dr. Paul would trim the waste in the all the budgets, and I applaud him for it.

            I believe Dr. Paul is the best (and perhaps only) chance for this country to right itself. If he’s the nominee, I’ll most definitely vote for him.

            My comments only addressed the probabilility that he will not be the Repub. nominee because the electorate has been too propagandized and pep talked into thinking that military adventurism is the normal state of affairs. As I said, the public could be truly educated as to Dr. Paul’s foreign policy, and would agree with it, but the Iran nuclear question seems to be the only sticking point with voters.

  • Old smoke

    Mr. B. Wilson thank you for stating the facts and not rationalizig your political beliefs. The facts speak for themselves.

  • 45caliber

    Anyone who puts an R after his name and still votes over 50% of the time with the Demos, particularly over gun control, is a RINO in my book. Romney and Newt both fill that role.

    • Joe H.

      45caliber,
      Just in case the Donald gets back in, don’t let them forget that he voted FOR ABUMMER!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Whizzer

    If all you Ron Paul groupies think that he has any chance of getting the GOP nomination you should send me some of that stuff you’ve been smokin… I’d like to try it! To imply that Newt or Romney would be the same as Obama is evidence that you truly are on some kinda hallucinogen! Just stick to your dumb ass way of thinking and write his name in on your ballot, so when Obama get’s re-elected you can continue to tell yourself that Newt or Romney would have been just as bad when you are applying for unemployment & food stamps. For the record… Bachman would be my choice, but I live in the real world.

    • Joe H.

      no, whizzer,
      I’ll tell myself that I finally voted for HONESTY!!!

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    For so many political figures – all I can say is that if we chopped them all up and fed them to pigs – what would come out of the pigs would be a HUGE improvement -

    Porcine fecal matter does not run up multi-trillion dollar budgets nor does pig$#!T lie to us, betray us, lead us to think that doing more of what got into this mess will solve anything – pig$#!T enriches the soil – and although it is a huge stink – it is no where as putrid as the smell of the sins of our once great nation in the nostrils of our Creator – that for all of His grace and compassion, he longs to show us mercy – but cannot so long as we persist in lying to ourselves.

    Newt is worse than pig$#!T – so is Robme, Bilderberg Perry – buh bye FRS Cain – he was a phoney too ["I never said we didn't need to audit the Fed!" really?]

    If we MUST talk about the lesser evil – can we have an honest examination of Ron Paul – including comparing what he ACTUALLY says to what media figures CLAIM that he said [such as saying America was responsible for 9/11]

    Can we examine why people have dismissed Ron Paul as “not having a chance” when they have yet to examine his message and his track record that shows that at least – for all the incompetents and corruption he has been surrounded with – he has not let it in to debase him?

  • jaco

    It kind of suprizes me that with all the collective knowledge, the current arguement on “who to elect” has not mentioned how the election works. For those who think you can “write in” your vote, it doesn’t work that way. Our votes hardly matter to our state legislature unless it is a vote on them directly. In short under the current “electorial voting system” the people of any given state are NOT the elector of the President. The representitives we put in office are the ones who actually elect who is and is not President. This was at one time taught in school (as a required subject to graduate high school), however we voted on changes on what is now taught in school (by allowing reduction in the “quality” of our education system). So many of our country has no clue that “we the people” actually have no say. Our Fore Fathers (ie. Gw) gave the right to section to the state, not the people.

    Article II of the U.S. Constitution says:
    “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature there of may direct, a Number of Electors….”

    The Supreme Court stated in 1892 (case of McPherson v. Blacker):
    ““The constitution does not provide that the appointment of electors shall be by popular vote, nor that the electors shall be voted for upon a general ticket, nor that the majority of those who exercise the elective franchise can alone choose the electors. It recognizes that the people act through their representatives in the legislature, and leaves it to the legislature exclusively to define the method of
    effecting the object. The framers of the constitution employed words in their natural sense; and, where they are plain and clear, resort to collateral aids to interpretation is unnecessary, and cannot be indulged in to narrow or enlarge the text.”
    “In short, the appointment and mode of appointment of electors belong
    exclusively to the states under the constitution of the United States.”
    So it doesn’t matter your “land holdings”, race, sex, or age (all Constitutional Amendments on who has the rights to vote)its all in the hands of our Legislature who control the electors, and the electors put our President in place. No I’m not saying don’t vote what I am saying is make your voice heard where it counts.

  • Gregory B

    Thomas Edison would never have found the right filament for his light bulb if he hadn’t moved on from his failed light bulb filaments. He finally discovered the RIGHT material for the filament by discarding the ones that did not work, in order to try the next new one. He had to accept that he was wrong, and take the risk that he might be wrong again, and again, and gain before succeeding.

    Right now we have leaders that keep trying the same failed light bulb filament over and over again, hoping it will light up just because they change the size or shape of it. They don’t see that it’s not about the size and shape – it’s just the wrong material all together. If elected president, Newt [and pretty much everyone else who's running] will do the same thing: he’ll take the filament and change the size and shape of it to try to make it work. Obviously it will not light up.

    We need a President who’s like Thomas Edison: someone who realizes the current filament simply doesn’t glow, and has the courage to try a completely new filament even though there’s a risk that it might not work. And if this person turns out to be wrong, he has to have the humility to admit that he’s wrong, discard the faulty filament and try a brand new one. Ron Paul is our Thomas Edison.

    The thing is, Ron Paul already knows what filament to use. He already knows which one will light up, because it was used before and it glowed then. It’s the same filament that the Founding Fathers used: the Constitution, limited governemnt, sound money, personal liberty and responsibility, etc. But somewhere along the line, American politicians figured “Oh, well, that filament is outdated. Let’s try to find a new one”. And now Ron Paul is saying, “Yeah, that filament is old, but it works. It lights up… and everything you’re trying DOESN’T. Let’s just go back to the filament that we KNOW will shine brightly. How much longer do you want to stay in the dark?”.

    One of the greatest things about Ron Paul is that even if he turns out to be wrong about something –like his foreign policy for example– he has the humility to admit that it doesn’t work and has the courage to change it. Ronald Reagan did that very thing. He believed he had the correct foreign policy in regards to the Middle East, reality proved that it didn’t work, so he changed his policy accordingly. Ron Paul would do the same thing.

    If you want to live in the dark while they try to reinvent the light bulb, vote for Newt, or Romney, or Obama.

    If you want the lights to go back on, then vote for the man who has the sense to put the old, reliable light bulb back in the socket: Vote for Ron Paul.

  • Marv

    Gingrich is a RINO and anti-gun. I would only vote for Bachmann or Paul or not vote at all.

    • Joe H.

      Marv!!!! No!! don’t NOT VOTE!! Write in your vote! Ask for a paper ballot and write it in!! Vote for Ron Paul!!!

  • Rcaston

    My question to all of you is, what the heck are you going to do if Ron paul is not the nominee. Go home and sulk? Or are you going to get off your fanny and do something to al least slow down the destruction of these United States by the mad man currently occupying We The People’s White House. I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat if he is the Republican nominee. If not, I will vote for whoever that nominee is. I will not go down the same path that went down with Ross Perot since that little experiment caused us to end up with Clinton for 8 years. The only saving grace is Perot ended up being right. What he predicted would happen has indeed happened. So be careful about voting for an independent if there is one. You will most assuredly be casting your vote for Obama.

  • Rosco1776

    You’re right, he’s a POS.

    So Rcaston, are you voting for Ron Paul in the primary? Anybody else will be just more of the same anyway. I will vote for the best person if he is not in the race, probably the constitution or libertarian party.

    “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” — John Quincy Adams

  • Rcaston

    Absolutely. But if he does not become the nominee I will not stay home, nor will I vote for any independent incapable of winning, regardless of who that might be. Like I said, I already went down that route. I suppose I am in the anybody but Obama camp but would like Dr. Paul to win the nomination. If he doesn’t I will vote for whoever does win it. This country cannot survive another four years of the traitor President. Obama should be charged with treason and once found guilty reap the consequences. Don’t get me started! :-)

  • John

    Newt = Obama both are on the same team. I vote for Ron Paul ! Never another commie.

  • Bono

    Vote for Newt, Vote to end the 2nd Amendment as we know it. The lesser of two evils may be the greatest deception.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Apparently Trump is the new messiah–Rush better watch out, he may be replaced, and it looks like Rove is getting sidelined.
    I truthfully have more respect for the candidates that will NOT be attending Trump’s fiasco.
    Like I said before-a three-ring circus. Complete with clowns.

    • bob wire

      Me too Claire! Seems Dick Perry is not coming as well.

  • Greatscott

    Huh??? Pro Global Warming-Cap and Trade, Pro Abortion, Received 1.8 million dollars in consulting fees from Fannie and Freddie before the 2008 implosion, Pro Agenda 21, a member of the CFR. Other than that, he is a good conservative loyal to his country.

  • Karolyn

    Probably most of you won’t agree with a lot of this, but there are points we can all agree on here too.

    “The GOP’s Crackpot Agenda”
    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/12/07-9

    • Vigilant

      Karolyn,

      I went to the site. When I saw it was a progressive site, and more so, when I read the subtitle, “The top Republican candidates share a single, radical vision: to trash the environment, shred the safety net and aid the rich,” I didn’t waste my time in reading any further.

      Same old communistic class warfare dross.

      • bob wire

        Par for the course, this refusal to listen to your adversary keeps them adversaries and no resolve or resolution will come of it. Grid Lock

        Typical, and reflective in today’s political climate where little is addressed and any victories are hard fought.

        I read and listen to all points of view, I don’t find it that difficult to do. If I don’t agree with it, I’m left to validate my reasons with something besides party affiliation but on merit and weight of evidence offered.

        Like “fracking” (I think I spelled that wrong.)
        We are running into problems with this process of extraction and ground water quality issues. This is a serious problem, it’s not a right or left problem but a people problem. But it will come to us as a right or left problem.

  • Lewis

    What we need is a draft for political office. Everyone who wants to be in high office is already corrupt, more than likely a high functioning sociopath, who will say and do whatever is necessary to gain power then screw us all for their own profit as our politicians have done for years. If we had a draft, and required a psychological exam before anyone could be drafted into office we could declare all the personality disorders 4F saving us from that problem. Also we could set their pay at the minimum wage, have them live in barracks as in the military so no one would really want to be president for eight years or a congressman or senator for a life time. With those changes we might just be able to correct the death spiral the country is on now.

    • Vigilant

      You must have read Plato’s “Republic.” Interesting thoughts.

    • Joe H.

      Lewis,
      Hey, It worked for the armed services!!!

  • White Dove

    You may havecome as a slave but my people NativeAmericans were here first. We like so many have suffered much and still are considered Americans but Jesus is the keeper of all who will accecpt him as their personal Saviour. I pray that God will remember mercy to this Nation who has turned their back on our Loving God.

    • Joe H.

      White Dove,
      Unless you are 100% native American, you also have invaders in your blood stream as I do. I also have Native American in my ancestry but I also have to claim my european blood as well.

      • bob wire

        To accept “all” of your parts and claim them as yours is the acceptance of self. Until you have done that, accepting anything else is a fools folly.

        I am a decedent of Quanta Parker which of course was a mixed blood by Cynthia Ann Parker and her captures. I have no choice but to accept this, it’s a non issue but documented history.

  • Chrisxxx

    Many years ago I read a very small article in the Arizona Republic newspaper. It stated that Bruce Babbitt had just joined the CFR and that ALL candidates for president of the US were required to join this group before they could run. The article was burried in the middle pages of the main section of the newspaper and it could have been easily missed. I had never heard of the CFR and wondered how and why is was so powerful. I still do.

  • K Kenward

    Newt may not be a rhino, but he is a hypocrite!
    We need Ron Paul! Look at the voting records of ALL the candidates and you will see who should be elected, first, for the republican nomination, and then, for the president of the United States Of America!

    • JC

      The Council on Foreign Relations is a group of powerful Politicians, Bankers and Corporate types who are hell bent on disbanding the nations of the world and instituting One World Government. England’s version is called (I believe) Chatham House.
      The next civil war will be the Bankers vs.the People.

  • K Kenward

    P.S.
    …In NY state you only have about another week (if that) to change your status to republican or Ron Paul will probably not get the republican nomination. We need all we can get to become republicans, at least for the time being. I just changed from independent to Republican just for that reason. Not a must in all states, but in NY you have to be registered as a republican at least three weeks prior to the vote.

  • Gman

    Joe H, APN, AND lIBERTYTRAIN: iF SOMEONE TOLD YOU TO JUMP OFF A CLIFF, WOULD YOU DO IT ? IF SOMEONE OFFERED TO SELL YOU ILLEGAL DRUGS, WOULD YOU TAKE THEM ? IF YOU FOUND A DAZED AND DISTRACTED WOMAN, WOULD YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HER ? I’M ONLY ASKING BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT SEEM THAT BECAUSE SOME ONE OR SOME ETHNIC GROUP(S) WERE WILLING TO SELL SLAVES THAT MADE IT ALRIGHT TO PURCHASE THEM. AS FOR THE NUMBER OF TRIBES, GOD GAVE THE PROMISE TO TWO SONS OF WHO ? ANYWAY, EPHRAIM AND MANASSEH GOT THE BLESSINGS. ONE WAS TO BECOME A “GREAT NATION” AND THE OTHER WAS TO BECOME A GROUP OF “GREAT NATIONS” (THIS IS FOR THE GUY THAT KNOWS THE BIBLE SO WELL). AND A QUESTION FOR ALL. INSTEAD OF ACTING JUST LIKE THE TALKING HEADS, WHY DON’T WE ALL GET TOGETHER JUST LIKE THE OCCUPIERS AND COME UP WITH A GOOD SENSE SOLUTION TO OUR COUNTRY’S PROBLEMS AND SEND THE SOLUTION TO THE CAREER POLITICIANS WHO CAN’T OR DON’T WANT TO GIVE US A SOLUTION TO OUR DILEMMA. AFTER ALL, IT IS OUR DILEMMA. MR. DOVE: I DO NOT DISPUTE THE FACT THAT THIS LAND WAS STOLEN OUT FROM UNDER THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. HOWEVER, I DO DISPUTE THAT YOUR PEOPLE’S CONDITION IS ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE MILLIONS OF FOLKS OF ALL RACES THAT HAVE BEEN UNDONE BY THE RULING CLASS. WE AS A PEOPLE NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN UNDERSTANDING AND CONCENTRATE OUR EFFORTS TO SUSTAIN OURSELVES IN THESE TIMES BECAUSE IT IS FOR CERTAIN THAT OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT IN OUR CORNER. THERE ARE MANY INTELLIGENT FOLKS THAT ARE SPEAKING IN THIS ARENA, BUT LIKE THE OCCUPIERS WE ARE NOT COMING TOGETHER WITH A COGENT, ERUDITE SOLUTION TO OUR PROBLEMS. AND AS LONG AS WE DON’T, THINGS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

    • libertytrain

      I read a little of your comment, caps are difficult to read so I tend to ignore all but the first line or two – however, no one said slavery was ok. You’re inserting words that weren’t said to further create an issue that doesn’t exist. Go back and reread.

      • JC

        Exactly Gman, the Race Pimp, has issues to deal with that are all his own. He seems to think the only slaves that ever existed were black. Not so, not so at all…
        The entire country has been enslaved.

    • Joe H.

      Mr Gman… show me where I said that it was Ok to own ANYBODY, regardless of skintone or racial make-up!!! I know you won’t because I never said ANY SUCH THING!! All I said was you say nothing about their plight yet you HAVING NEVER BEEN A SLAVE, want to condemn everyone with caucasion in their ancestry!!! You, sir, are a HYPOCRITE and a LIAR!!!!

      • JC

        And a Racist Joe, don’t forget Racist.

        • bob wire

          And a Capitalist, since he uses all CAPS !

    • APN

      Gman…..I’m a little confused with your most recent comments. Seems to be two people inside your head or your relief man is typing for you.

      FACTS: 12 TRIBES that contained 12,000 people which equals 144,000

      The significance of this is, the 144,000 witnesses left here on earth to evangelize those left behind POST rapture. i.e. GODLESS plant

      Now, I am not a racist nor have I EVER been one. In Fact, I despise a racist regardless of their color. Again, go back and research the ROOTS of slavery before you cast your misguided stones.

      i.e………… ” A man is a slave to whatever has mastered him”

      Also, you may just find that blacks were not the only slaves during that time period in our country’s history. You may also want to research just WHO sold those slaves to the “evil” white man. In fact, since most of the slave trade came our of Africa, then explain to me what is going on over there now? Is the “White” man still doing it?

      Seems to me you have some kind of pent up anger with white folks, I DON’T, never have, never will and I have respect for all peoples until proven otherwise.

  • beacon

    Right or Left, Conservative or Liberal, Republican or Democtrat, etc.

    Americas life is in your hands, we have only 1, who has principles to do so.

    I wont mention the name, he reminds me of the story of Moses, let our people go.

    Your choice.

  • Idylewylde

    Ask Gingrich the one all important question:

    Is the Bill of Rights composed of Rights, or are they revocable privileges?

    Gingrich’s actions speak louder than words .. he views them as revocable privileges .. just like Obama.

    This is what Jefferson anticipated and warned us about when he and Madison, backed by the Revolutionary War veterans, pushed through the Bill of RIGHTS.

    My ancestor was there with Washington in the fight against British Elitism. The Brits tried to turm our rights into revocable privileges.
    That attempt failed. It will fail again.

  • Pathos

    i am at a no win vision for my country… no one worthy to vote for. i ll fight for my rights, but who will fight beside me!? God help us…

  • Motov

    If the race comes down to Newt vs Barack,…just might as well kiss this country good-bye!
    Welcome to the USSA! The land of enslavement!
    There is just one guy out of the whole bunch who talking about a very cool document.
    Of course that document is known as the Constitution, and of course the man is Ron Paul!!
    Imagine our Government doing what the Constitution says it is allowed to do.

    I really think a large percentage of our current politicians should serve their next terms in a maximum security prison, because of their blatant disregard of our Bill of Rights.
    Were they sworn into office to up hold the constitution? Are they supposed to represent us, and not the FAT CATS who pull their strings? Washington DC needs an enema, and very soon!!!

  • Ridge Runner

    We need a old fashioned rat killing like jerry clowers talked about on his record.For any body that has never piped the exhaust from a internal combustion engine into a rat hole you don’t know what funny is.When i was ateenager i worked at a service station and garage and the building was old an had rat holes all over. one night we piped the exhause into a rat hole and we had rats running every where. We didn’t kill too many but we had fun watching them run.

  • Mike

    Religion matters to a lot of you, so ask yourself: Do you believe Newt has embraced christianity, or paying it lip-service to get your vote? I know what I think. He’s a liar. Any man that would cheat on his dying wife deserves nothing but contempt, regardless of how “sorry” he says he is. I’ll not list all of his mistakes, as we all know them too well.

    There is one candidate that has never cheated on his wife, never voted for a increase in the budget, never promised one thing and did another, and supoports smaller government, lower taxes, and States’ Rights to choose their own destinies. If you haven’t guessed yet, it’s Ron Paul.

    Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that offers any real Hope and Change. If you vote, in your primaries, for anyone other than Ron Paul, then you are voting for the status quo. You must vote for him in your primaries to get him as the candidate on the Republican ballot.

    Ron Paul 2012.

  • Tom

    Bob, are you and Newt golfing buddies? He twists with the prevalent political wind just like the rest of the “alleged conservatives” trying to secure the republican nomination. He’s as trustworthy as all the lawyers in office!

    • Samuel

      Do you spend all your time insulting people? How many books have you written, how many speeches do you give annually, how many people are willing to pay large sums of money for your advice, and how many times have you been elected to the Congress? Speaker Gingrich is one of the original Ronald Reagan conservatives and he was the last Speaker to balance four budgets. He is more than qualified to be President and can stop the runaway social agenda of our current dictator.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    SCIENTIFIC PANTHEISM
    reveres the universe as the only real divinity, and holds nature sacred.
    It fuses religion and science, and concern for humans with concern for nature.
    It provides the most solid basis for environmental ethics.
    It is a religion that requires no faith other than common sense,
    no revelation other than open eyes and a mind open to evidence,
    no guru other than your own self.
    For an outline, see Basic principles of scientific pantheism.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    THE CREDO:

    The belief statement of the WPM
    1. We revere and celebrate the Universe as the totality of being, past, present and future. It is self-organizing, ever-evolving and inexhaustibly diverse. Its overwhelming power, beauty and fundamental mystery compel the deepest human reverence and wonder.
    2. All matter, energy, and life are an interconnected unity of which we are an inseparable part. We rejoice in our existence and seek to participate ever more deeply in this unity through knowledge, celebration, meditation, empathy, love, ethical action and art.
    3. We are an integral part of Nature, which we should cherish, revere and preserve in all its magnificent beauty and diversity. We should strive to live in harmony with Nature locally and globally. We acknowledge the inherent value of all life, human and non-human, and strive to treat all living beings with compassion and respect.
    4. All humans are equal centers of awareness of the Universe and nature, and all deserve a life of equal dignity and mutual respect. To this end we support and work towards freedom, democracy, justice, and non-discrimination, and a world community based on peace, sustainable ways of life, full respect for human rights and an end to poverty.
    5. There is a single kind of substance, energy/matter, which is vibrant and infinitely creative in all its forms. Body and mind are indivisibly united.
    6. We see death as the return to nature of our elements, and the end of our existence as individuals. The forms of “afterlife” available to humans are natural ones, in the natural world. Our actions, our ideas and memories of us live on, according to what we do in our lives. Our genes live on in our families, and our elements are endlessly recycled in nature.
    7. We honor reality, and keep our minds open to the evidence of the senses and of science’s unending quest for deeper understanding. These are our best means of coming to know the Universe, and on them we base our aesthetic and religious feelings about reality.
    8. Every individual has direct access through perception, emotion and meditation to ultimate reality, which is the Universe and Nature. There is no need for mediation by priests, gurus or revealed scriptures.
    9. We uphold the separation of religion and state, and the universal human right of freedom of religion. We recognize the freedom of all pantheists to express and celebrate their beliefs, as individuals or in groups, in any non-harmful ritual, symbol or vocabulary that is meaningful to them.

  • bob wire

    Well, I really don’t know where these poll numbers come from, how they are gathered, what criteria is used to solicit an opinion.

    But I just can’t see America in love with Newt Gingirch where they be Republicans or Democrats.

    After some 30 years of political history, Newt proven over and over again to be an “equal opportunity serial offender” of the highest order.

    Make no mistake, I would personally enjoy seeing him go head to head with “O” and gladly accept the final out come but I’m hoping the GOP finds itself and offers the American people a contender that is worthy the title and position of President. Someone that I seen as having some direction and civil purpose about them.

    Ron Paul is such a man, the only one that is actually prepared and ready in the GOP line up to be President and set a new course back to our roots into constitutional law of governing a Republic.

  • jopa

    My wife isn’t really into politics that much but she was impressed by Ron Paul during last nights debate.Paul and Newt were the winners last night, and even when the questions were about Newts immoral activities in the past he didn’t flinch.Maybe he is truly a born again Christian or he just doesn’t have a conscience or morals.Paul is actually doing good in Iowa.

  • PJ

    People are waking up everywhere! I am seeing more and more people from all parties supporting Ron Paul!

    Liberals are saying they are leaving the democrat party to vote for Paul. They are also saying if Newt or Romney wins the nomination, they will stay home or vote Obama back in, so the destruction happens quicker and we get it over with faster.

    Independents and Liberals alike will not vote for anyone but Ron Paul, or Obama. We are going to lose if Ron Paul is not the nominee.

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