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Newark Mayor: Turn In Gun Owners For $1,000

January 13, 2012 by  

Newark Mayor: Turn In Gun Owners For $1,000

Newark, N.J., Mayor Corey Booker wants people to report their neighbors to law enforcement if they are exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

The Mayor hopes to incentivize people to snitch on gun-owning neighbors by offering a $1,000 reward for every report that leads to an illegal firearm arrest.

“We as individuals have to do something about it. So we have a program in our city right now that is completely anonymous and we will give you cash—  $1000 to anyone who calls our anonymous tip-line. Give us the information about who is carrying a gun, we don’t even have to have a conviction. If we arrest that individual and simply get that gun off the streets.” Booker said in a commercial announcing the program, which you see below.

The Newark program is seemingly modeled after the Federal “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign that enlists everyday citizens to be government spies.

 

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    People of Newark, New Jersey. You have filth in your community. You have a poser mayor who needs to be tarred and feathered. Decide NOW if you decide if you live in a free country, or if you live in Obummer’s 1984.
    Use your imagination and isolate that useful idiot mayor. Ship the poser to Mexico. It’s YOUR freedom, people. No criminal politician can take it away from you if you love being free. Freedom is lost only once. Decide.

    • Karolyn

      You obviously know nothing about Newark! It is a dangerous city that has struggled forever to make its streets safe. When I was a kid, we went to Newark for school shopping. That stopped in the 70s due to stores closing and rising crime. Most of the people who own guns in Newark are thugs.

      • 2centsworth

        Guess what Karoly: When guns are confiscated from law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves from thugs, only thugs will have guns, which makes Newark even that much more dangerous. And all you sell out supposed to be Americans…..looks like you would sell your soul to the devil to have a morsel of bread. You ought to work on your integrity and try to improve your spirit. Just say NO to people like this so called Mayor who ought to be yanked off the stage with a bent pole. Run his a$$ out of town!

        • Vic Bailey

          Sounds like Bama and his Elitist Handlers are winning, when you take the guns away from the citizens they become subjects and easy prey for the crooks, local and FEDERAL! Wake up people Hitler did the same thing, took the guns so the citizens couldn’t protect themselves, just like every other Socialist including England, Austraila, Canada and America is next, they want to destroy the LAST TRUE FREE COUNTRY! Semper Fi.

        • eddie47d

          The NRA and GOA isn’t doing much to keep illegal guns off the street so apparently city mayors have to step in. Didn’t you catch the second sentence and if you did why do you spend so much of your anger supporting folks who possess Illegal guns. That means you support the criminal and criminal behavior. So many of you smack down the legal and honest gun owner when you support illegal gun sales and those who possess illegal guns.

          • wararrow

            It is not the job of the NRA or GOA to get criminal gun posession off the sreets,again it is the police force who has that job,legal gun owners do not commite these crimes it is bad guys that do these things.The second amenment is a law ,and I am tired of government officials at all levels trying to subvert the meaning to disarm America,again WE ARE THE LAST FREE LAND IN THE WORLD and it must be maintained by freedom at any cost,by blood if we must,because if our Government goes completely in the direction Ocommie has us pointed then you will be sorry you didnt have a gun.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            eddie how nieve can you be. The mayor isn’t after illegal guns he is after all guns. He mentioned illegal guns one time over half way thru the video the rest of the time he just said guns. Are you so brainwashed that you think a person who is reported for having a gun will have that gun returned immediately if it is proven to be legaly owned? It will take days if not weeks to return the gun if it is ever returned.

            You obviously only want to know what the brady bunch and bloomberg tell you about the NRA. They are all for removing illegal guns from the criminals hands they just oppose doing it at the expense of the rights of persons who can legaly own firearms.

          • SweetOlBob

            Eddie: Get in gear and review the stats published by the FBI. You will see, if you’re willing to do something besides spout untruths, that as private gun ownership and particularly concealed carry is passed into law, that violent crime starts dropping. This has happened IN EVERY CASE, IN EVERY LOCATION, AND IN EVERY STATE.
            You are being used by the anti-gun, anti-freedom factions who only distort facts and lie about the effectiveness of law abiding citizens being able to protect themselves. Thugs are not so ready to invade a home or mugg a person if the fact that they may be shot or killed is present. The Mayor is just looking for something to cover his a$$ because he can’t do his job and stop crime.

          • steve

            1st it will be ok everybody let’s just register all of the these guns…then the government will know exactly who has them and where they are located…then guess what…something bad happens like a Congress woman gets shot in the head by a gun…OMG now we have to confiscate all of these evil guns….de ja vu Nazi Germany 1937…wake up you idiots…once they take our guns we are done…game over…If I live in Newark I would buy a gun and go to the range and become an excellent shot…If everybody packed in Newark what would the thugs do?

          • Landon

            Hi Eddie47,
            Newark is without a doubt a violent and dangerous city. I subscribe to the philosophy of one of the greatest shooting instructors that ever lived, Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper (Gunsite.com), who remarked: “The solution to violent crime in our streets is a dead perpetrator at the scene of every crime.” Newark would be a far healthier place to live, if each evening over the next year or so, a dozen thugs and car-jackers met up with well armed Citizens, and were promptly dispatched to their eternal reward. I suspect the level of civility amongst strangers would rise in tandem with the body count.
            If you know a cop, ask them why THEY carry guns; it’s not to protect YOU from the miscreants, but to protect themselves. Have a great weekend.

          • Eddie

            You just can’t help Eddie47d. You just can’t fix STUPID.

          • eddie47d

            You proved my point Wararrow and that mayor who has that authority is doing just that.

          • eddie47d

            In other words Buster do nothing and let the problem fester.

          • eddie47d

            I could just as easily say that SweetOlBob is a blind tool of the NRA.

          • eddie47d

            What part of illegal guns don’t you comprehend Steve. Your legal weapon is still legal and your rights will be upheld.

          • eddie47d

            Well Landon I don’t trust the police all the time and a few are as despicable as the perps.Nothing wrong with being armed to protect your home and family and the police should not be counted on to protect you from harm.

          • Dennis48e

            “The NRA and GOA isn’t doing much to keep illegal guns off the street…….”

            Prove it eddie. You cannot because you have no facts to back your claim up. You never have facts to back up your anti-gun claims just your opinion.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            “In other words Buster do nothing and let the problem fester.”

            No eddie enforce the existing laws that say a felon in posession of a firearm must spend 5 years in the federal pen with no paroll. Enforce existing laws that say the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime will result in additional time over and above the time for the crime itself. Those are just two examples of things that can be done without harassing honest legal gun owners.

          • eddie47d

            What you said makes for a pleasant soundbite Buster but the reality is that those laws are enforced if you care to look at criminal records and sentencing.The thing is why were they allowed to possess those weapons in the first place.It’s all too easy to break the law and buy weapons under the table. Additional sentencing after the fact doesn’t do much for the victim of the crime. Not enough is done to stop these actions(crime and gun buying)before they happen which does seem to be approved by pro gun groups like the NRA.

          • JC

            Newark Mayor: Turn In Gun Owners For $1,000.

            Should read “Another Liberal Moron Sells Out To Nazism”

          • JC

            eddie47d says:

            January 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm

            What part of illegal guns don’t you comprehend Steve. Your legal weapon is still legal and your rights will be upheld.
            _______________________________________________________________

            What part of “There’s no such thing as an illegal gun” don’t you get eddie47? Just illegal or criminal acts and intentions. And someone above very astutely pointed out the solution…a dead perpetrator at the scene of every crime.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            No eddie you are the one who uses sound bites. You say do something but you never offer any solutions. I offered a solution to at least part of the problem. There are very few federal prosecutions for felons in posession of a firearm and the added time for use of a firearm in comission of a crime is frequently plea bargined away

          • watchdog

            eddie47d, I hate to burst your left wing radical bubble, but the mayor does NOT have the right to take away guns from citizens. He is NOT a LEO, he has NO authority over the citizens of his city to take away ANY of their Constitutionally Guaranteed rights. You also are either misinformed, or a complete moron if you believe the enhanced penalties are being enforced on criminals for carrying a gun. Turn off msnbc, cnn and stop reading moron.org. Try going to the FBI websites (that is if you can find it). The REAL data is there. not sound bites from crooked politicians, like this mayor.

          • vicki

            JC writes:
            “What part of “There’s no such thing as an illegal gun” don’t you get eddie47? Just illegal or criminal acts and intentions.”

            Well. Actually there are just illegal or criminal acts. If intentions were criminalized we would have the thought police. Oh wait. :)

            The point is that only actions can be criminal. A gun is an inanimate object and is unable to act thus there can not be a criminal act committed by a gun. Only Sentient beings can do that.

            Do not buy into the liberal talking points about guns being illegal. Can’t happen.

            Let’s now address the act of possessing the best tool for self defense (a gun). In a truly free society it would not be possible for it to be illegal to posses a gun. Even if you were an ex-con. The only affect of the “law” is to keep the person serving a life sentence for his/her crime(s). If he/she really is a danger to others there is no reason to believe that he/she will care about what tool is used. A car does just fine for mass murder too. You don’t see someone loosing the right to own THAT property just because of a felony conviction even when the conviction is for using a car to commit the felony.

          • http://aol jeff

            ($1000 to anyone who calls our anonymous tip-line. Give us the information about who is carrying a gun, we don’t even have to have a conviction. If we arrest that individual and simply get that gun off the streets.” Booker said in a commercial announcing the program.)
            Don’t know if you read this part, but that means even if you legally own your gun that someone can call and have you arrested. better hope you haven’t pissed anyone off, or your neighbor hasn’t resently lost their job and know you own guns cause $1000.00 sounds good. Then you have to try and prove your self in a court of law, get a lawyer, loss time at work, or your job because you got arrested. If you believe that the government will protect you then look to Venezuela because they do a great job protecting there public. I mean Odumba and his czars think that country is a great role model. And remember that the police don’t want to deal with a crime in progress. they show up after only to report what happened and clean up the mess, not prevent them.

          • JC

            Vicki…”Criminal Intentions”…sorry I didn’t spell it out more clearly.
            I thought it was obvious.

          • Vicki

            JC says:
            ”Criminal Intentions”…sorry I didn’t spell it out more clearly.
            I thought it was obvious.”

            It was clear. I did understand it. Intentions of any kind can not be criminalized. Only acts. Intention is used to modify an act but just the intent to do something can not be criminalized.

            For instance a rapist may intend to rape but until he actually commits the act there is no crime.

            Besides how would you even know that he intended to commit a crime unless he did something, thus an “act”.

      • Daylo

        Exactly. That is why good citizens must be armed. For self-protection. This is against the constitution!

        It sounds like Nazi Germany when Hitler wanted to take control.

        Read your constituion for further instruction!

        • Kinetic1

          Daylo,
          Wait just a minute. This offer is not made to people for turning in neighbors with legally registered guns. This offer does not apply to gun owners with a permit to carry. This program is clearly aimed at arresting and confiscation guns from those who have obtained them illegally or are carrying without a permit. How does that violate your Constitutional right to own a gun?

          • Boothe

            Kinetic, what is it that people like you fail to understand about “shall not be infringed”? Registration of arms is prohibited by the Supreme Law of the Land. Registration, nosey-busy-body-laws, prohibition and confiscation help the real criminals ply their trade. If you managed to take away all the privately held firearms in this nation, the next truck coming north across the border would be half full of dope and half full of guns because they would be so valuable. What Heinlein said is true: “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” The only thing criminals respect is superior force. When seconds count the cops will be there in minutes. Consequently, a responsible American is armed and “well regulated” (i.e. well trained and equipped, in 18th century terms) not only for his own defense but for the benefit of society as a whole. Wake up to the truth.

          • wararrow

            This will only lead to legal gun owners when all is said and done.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Kinetic the mayor used the word illegal ONE time over half way thru the video but mentioned guns several times. Based on this it is logical to conclude he wants ALL gun owners turned in. Even if their guns are eventualy returned to them the harassment factor is a big part of what he is after and I would guess that many of those legal guns will be either confiscated or “lost” and never returned to their legal owners.

          • TML

            I think what is revealing about the Major’s proposal is that he makes no attempt to ensure law abiding gun owners of their rights while monetarily enticing every individual to point the finger at anyone who has a gun.

            He even said it didn’t matter if the people were arrested or not, if they get the gun off the ‘streets’, you will get $1000.

            Expressing that he isn’t concerned with whether or not the person is arrested, while also failing to ensure law abiding gun owners of their rights, leads to the idea that the law abiding citizens could be targeted as well.

            Then again… this is a Mayor, not a President, voted into office by those that live there. If they continue to elect him, then it’s their problem.

          • mike1127

            You can spot the difference between a “legal” carrier and an “illegal” one just by looking? That is an amazing talent!

          • Pat

            how do you think their neighbors know what guns are legal or not. This is just a storm trooping Nazi operation.

          • JC

            Kinetic1 says:

            January 13, 2012 at 9:13 am

            Daylo,
            Wait just a minute. This offer is not made to people for turning in neighbors with legally registered guns.
            _____________________________________________________

            So you allow that the Government “should” know where all the guns are?
            Well I guess you’re right, “Gun Control Works” just ask Hitler, Stalin
            Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Idi Amin…

            You need to clean out your skull gear Kinetic, it’s all jammed up with
            anti American Bullsh*#t

          • watchdog

            There is no such thing as an “illegal gun”….maybe an illegally owned gun, which violates the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of this once great nation. Please show even one place in our Constitution, where it says the government has the right to regulate, register or otherwise permit the ownership and use of a gun. Just one place mind you……here is the part you fail to understand. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED….(v infringe [inˈfrindʒ]
            to break (a law etc) or interfere with (a person’s freedom or rights).
            n inˈfringement)

      • Lastmanstanding

        newark is the way it is because its democratic politicians continue to paint a picture of “equal outcome’ as they have for 50 years…along with NYC, phila, atlanta, chicago, detroit, etc.

        These people have been kept here for 50 years by the elites, politicians for a reason…think about it and do some research…using a little common sense will help to.

        Someone a week or 2 ago posted a link to “The Corruption” by Porter Stansberry…read it for the candid truth…

        • vicki

          “equal outcome” is like the change part of “hope and change”. If you don’t ask (and liberals don’t) WHAT outcome or WHAT change, they will fall for the hook (and they do) every time.

      • Cliffystones

        You mean to tell me that outlawing guns in Newark didn’t fix the problem?

        • eddie47d

          Time for a new game plan in getting illegal weapons off the streets. Open season is for hunting and not meant for civilized people.

          • independent thinker

            ” Open season is for hunting and not meant for civilized people.”

            Hey everyone eddie47e says hunters are not civilized people and civilized people do not hunt.

          • JC

            And apparently, “civilized people” don’t defend themselves!
            Well done eddie, you’re Liberal colors are flying proud today. LOL Moron!

          • watchdog

            eddie, eddie, eddie, you really have a lack of understanding of the basic bill of rights…no where does it mention “hunting” in the second amendment. Do you even have a concept of why people became civilized? Because of the gun. Someone you share close beliefs with once stated; “Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State….Heinrich Himmler”

            I share more of the same beliefs of another famous person; “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
            -Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344

          • Vicki

            “ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State….Heinrich Himmler”

            Himmler was wrong of course. Citizens having guns protects the State. It is even listed one of the reasons in the 2nd Amendment for not infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

        • steve

          excellent cliffy!!!

        • mike1127

          No, it wouldn’t.

      • steve

        back around the turn of the century people were quite a bit more courteous to strangers then they are today…maybe it was because they never knew if they came up and insulted someone like they do today that the person might pull out a darringer and blow his brains out…

        • Cliffystones

          “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
          ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

          • watchdog

            Perfect quote Cliffy

      • Mustang

        The in this case, I suggest you get the neighborhoods together and march against City Hall and demand that your Mayor (though he sounds as though he is a very weak and meek individual) take the money wasted by the council from them and get a police force that will confront the gangsters and clean up the city with the help of the citizenry. Turn in the criminal for $1000 not the honest people

      • Chris

        Those who choose security over freedom deserve neither.
        Like all of the gun grabber laws,this only affects LAW abiding citizens. Sure,some criminals will get nabbed,but the majority of the guns taken will be from law abiding citizens because their neighbors want $1,000 free and it’s easy.
        Criminals cause chaos in unarmed society because it’s EASY. If you take the arms away,you open up a smorgasboard for the thugs because they DON’T get their guns legally.Robbing an unarmed neighborhood is like slaughtering a basket of kittens.Look at what Hitler did to he Jews once all the guns were taken.
        That Mayor is an enemy of the constitution and a rights killer. Get him OUT of there!
        Constitutional carry. Arm EVERYONE and crime will plunge because why would a criminal risk his life to rob if he knows EVERYONE,down to that sweet 84 year old gramma’s carrying?

      • Jag

        You just made a good case for people that live there to be armed, but personally I wouldn’t want to live there. Only time I was ever in Newark was in the airport on our way to Zurich.

      • http://personallibertydigest gunner689

        OK, then let’s outlaw thugs and give rewards to those who turn them in. A thug is a thug is a thug. Be it with a gun, a knife, or a baseball bat. Stats show that most victims of shootings have a criminal record themselves. In other words it’s the trash taking out the trash.

    • Robert Smith

      What part of: “a $1,000 reward for every report that leads to an illegal firearm arrest.”

      Law abiding citizens shouldn’t have to worry ;-)

      Rob

      • keycat

        based solely on what i see in this article, there’s nothing restricting anti-second amendment activities to the bad guys!

        “Give us the information about who is carrying a gun, we don’t even have to have a conviction.”

        • Kinetic1

          keycat,
          Right to the point. Once again PLD has failed to make the details clear, favoring a misleading article that fits their narrow view. The only thing close to pointing out the fact that this law is about unregistered guns or those without a carry permit is the line “…offering a $1,000 reward for every report that leads to an illegal firearm arrest.” and it would appear that many of you have interpreted this to mean that the arrest is illegal.

          • UCS

            You’re basing your argument on “registered” and “illegal.” That’s where you’re going wrong, IMO.

            The 2nd Amendment makes both registration and illegality non-issues. They are both attempts to restrict gun ownership, and those attempts are unconstitutional violations of our rights.

            If more law abiding citizens carried self protection, the thugs, monsters, and animals out there would be weeded very quickly out of the neighborhoods they destroy. We don’t need less gun ownership, we need less government regulation and infringement getting in the way of natural selection.

        • wararrow

          This was not explained to reflect a criminal, it says a person carring a fire arm ,that leaves it open for interpration according to who the officer might see this, and make a judement on how that officer might view it at the time.

          • steve

            don’t be so stupid really it’s all about gun control…

        • watchdog

          what part of there are no illegal guns do you not understand??? Please show me where in the Constitution it say the government has the right to take away anyone’s guns? If you can, I will change my opinion and sing it loud.

      • country boy bubba

        The article said arrest,not “illegal firearm arrest”. This goes to imply that even those not prohibited by federal law to own firearms will be arrested and their firearms seized.

      • watchdog

        What part of there are no “illegal” guns do you not understand? Show me in the Constitution where it says that ANY politician has the right to take away guns? If you can, I will change my opinion and sing it loud. That is my challenge to you bobo

    • 2centsworth

      I hope a group of people doesn’t get some crazy idea like lynching this guy for being a traitor to everyone in America who knows that the Constitution was written to protect the peoples of it’s country.

    • Pat

      This is Hitler in power again. Instead of the Jewish people it is gun owners instead. Why can’t people see this???!!?? The Nazis did this to the Jews. I guess that makes this Mayor a Nazi!

    • Kevin M. Sullivan

      He doesn’t even speak proper English. “More safe”? We’ll be safer without him….

  • Jack

    Sounds like a good policy to me.

    • Vagabond

      why am I not surprised that it would sound good to you jacka55??

    • Mustang

      Off Jack

    • Pat

      Jack, you have proven yourself to be a Nazi. I hope your neighbors treat you accordingly! A firing squad would work.

  • http://msn WG

    Heil Hitler Jack!

  • http://deleted Claire

    Illegal gun owners should be caught. If they are illegal, their intent is not favorable. It is a neverending saga, the criminals always get guns and there are some people out there willing to make a buck regardless of how they do so. Seems like politicians will always have a problem with gun ownership/rights. They say one thing and do another, just to get elected.

    • Vagabond

      define illegal Claire. have you read the constitution? I have and I see no where in the 2nd ammendment where it says providing they shall have permission from ANYONE. quite the contray. it reads. a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED,

      • http://deleted Claire

        Read my post again. My point has nothing to do with the Constitution–I posted my THOUGHTS. To me, illegal use pertains to the criminals that harbor evil against Americans and America. Am I to assume you don’t care if criminals have guns?

        • http://deleted Claire

          BTW–I am well aware of what the Constitution says concerning the Second Amendment. My husband and I are legal gun owners and abide by the law. In return, nothing or no one will take our guns without a struggle.

          • TC

            So, you are saying you don’t mind if, say, half a dozen of your neighbors turn you in to try and profit, paid for by the taxpayers of Newark…
            and you don’t mind the investigations that follow these neighbor’s turning turning you in…
            Bottom line here: If you allow the politicians to infringe upon your rights, they will always try and take it to the next level.

          • Karolyn

            TC – This is about ILLEGAL gun owners! Duh! Read my post above. Most gun owners in Newark are criminals!

          • wararrow

            Well said Clair,I to am a legal gun owner and feel the same way !!

          • independent thinker

            Karolyn as someone said above (Buster I think) the word illegal is used one time and that is over half way into the video. The word guns without the qualifier “illegal” is used many times. Therefore it is logical to conclude the mayor wants ALL guns reported.

          • JC

            Karolyn says:

            January 13, 2012 at 7:08 am

            TC – This is about ILLEGAL gun owners! Duh! Read my post above. Most gun owners in Newark are criminals!
            __________________________________________________________
            Define “illegal gun owner”. Does that mean “criminal”
            So you go after the criminals, not guns.
            If you do want to target guns…why not steak knives? or sharp pencils? How about reporting your neighbor for having a pointy stick?
            I mean come on…ANYONE might be a criminal if they want to harm someone right?
            Why don’t we just start imprisoning people who “might” commit a crime?

            The whole thing is ridiculous and completely fascist in nature.

        • Cliffystones

          Claire,

          That’s the problem, the chuckle-heads who “define illegal”. The same people who will have an 8 year old arrested because he found a spent plastic shot shell on the side of the road on the way to school and brought it in.

        • michael

          The idiot mayor, doesn’t want to remove guns carried by criminals, he wants to make any one with a gun a criminal. you are most certainly a certified moron, and you should report to newarks office of lobotomy to get yours repaired as it is leaking badly.

          • JC

            That’s an accurate observation.

    • Karolyn

      Claire – You are right. It’s a shame that people see anything about guns and they jump right on the bandwagon, not even knwing all the circumstances. Gun ownership in Newark, NJ is in the hands of the criminals, which comprise a large part of the population. What the point is here is for neighbors in the projects and ghettos to turn in those people who make their neighborhoods unliveable.

      • bill

        yes, that is the point of the law. But there is a second law in operation here: the law of unintended consequences.
        While criminals should have their guns taken away, the chance of lawful gunowners being subjected to unfair law enforcement intimidation and illegal gun confiscation out weighs the ‘good intentions’ of the initiative. The criminals will always have guns, take one away and they can get another the same day. So this kind of initiative is half baked. You don’t throw away liberties for security; if you do you don’t deserve either.

        • Karolyn

          Wouldn’t law enforcement in any city have a list of lawful gun owners to reference?

          • CHP

            No, they have a list of people who are forbidden to own guns; everyone else is a potential lawful owner.

          • Scott in SC

            Not so, CHP,
            In NJ Anyone who wants to purchase a firearm must obtain a permit. If you want to purchase a handgun an additional permit must be obtained for evry purchase. All transfers must likewise be registered.
            Criminals are not going to follow these procedures for obvious reasons, so the only list of gun owners in NJ are the law abiding citizens. And anyone who has sudied gun control knows the first step of confiscation is registration, always.

          • Cliffystones

            Karolyn,

            No, No, NO!! It’s none of the governments damn business who does or does not have guns. This “Hollywood Myth” that guns need to be “registered” is just that. A big lie perpetrated by the liberals and their “guns are evil” mindset that has infected a lot of the populace.

            This mindset even affect many folks who own and/or like guns. I watch “Storage Wars” from time to time. One buyer thinks that you have to report any firearms found in a storage locker to the ATF. Another one (a New Yorker) thinks you have to turn over any firearm with a serial number to the ATF! And then the one buyer who found an ammo can with some .223 caliber hollow points in it and exclaimed “scary stuff”. Talk about indoctrination!

          • wararrow

            At this time that kind of list is ilegal.

          • JC

            Karolyn says:

            January 13, 2012 at 7:30 am

            Wouldn’t law enforcement in any city have a list of lawful gun owners to reference?
            ____________________________________________________________

            OMG…can you imagine? Hitler’s dream come true, right here in America. That way, “law enforcement” can disarm Americans…ALL Americans.

      • Rick

        Claire here’s a better idea Control the criminals lae enforcement do have a list of them. The whole idea of this is a waste of time and money. If you take the criminals off the street then they can’t posess guns in prison. And if they are really violent and dangerous do society a favor and put them down like a vicious animal.

        • Vic Bailey

          Rick, I agree with you, BUT the federal judges don’t agree with either one of us, they don’t make any money off of LAW ABIDING citizens, they make their money off of CRIMINALS, so WHO do they protect? The CRIMINALS!! Same way with the Cops, they CAN’T protect us, BUT they DON’T want to protect ourselves, it would cut into their saliries! Like the Judges! There is NOT a neighborhood in America anymore that knows the name of ANY of the cops that patrol their neighborhoods, yet they want our help, when ALL the cops are OUTSIDERS, and the cop bosses want it that way! It makes the cops NOT CARE about helping strangers, THINK ABOUT IT! We didn’t have half of the crime when the cops knew EVERYBODY, now that they don’t, they DON’T CARE! They have a gun and a badge and they are the protectors of their friends and it is NOT US! Semper Fi.

          • wararrow

            VIC you said it right on the mark,when I was a younster we knew policemen in our area of town and they got to the bottom of the problem.

          • Awakened Avenger

            “They” don’t ‘us’ possessing weapons because both parties would have equal powers of destruction. That’s called parity and governments, throughout history have retained a monopoly on such destructive powers; that is but one of the definitions of government; the monopoly of or retention of destructive power.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Rick–I agree with you–only I would probably send all criminals to prison for life. It is a good thing that I am not a judge, the criminals would receive no mercy from me. The judicial system nowadays is far too lenient with the wrongdoers. Prisons are overcrowded now from what I hear, perhaps this is why so many criminals go free.

      • Cliffystones

        So you freely admit that laws do not prevent criminals from having guns in Newark? So why not uphold he Constitution and stop infringing upon the rights of those of us who are willing to take the responsibility to arm ourselves legally?

        I am a legal, law abiding citizen of the United States,and have been so for 53 years. The US Constitution clearly and simply states that my right to bear arme “SHALL NOT be infringed”. I don’t give a flying squirrel about the criminals, I’m responsible for myself and my own actions. What gives you, the mayor of Newark, Rosie O’Donnell or anybody else the right to micro-manage MY right that was endowed to me by MY creator?

        • Robert Smith

          So Cliffy, you say: “anybody else the right to micro-manage MY right that was endowed to me by MY creator?”

          You were created by the PEOPLE?

          You know, that “WE THE PEOPLE” thing in the Constitution…

          There is NO mention of your god if that’s what you mean.

          Rob

          • Cliffystones

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

            and………

            “Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

            A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

            Uh……… you were saying? And BTW, that “We The People” includes those of us who wish to exercise our second amendment rights.

            I’d prefer not to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Post your lame arguments on “moveon.org”

          • JC

            Get stuffed Smith.
            Laws weren’t made to “grant” us the right to self defense.
            Laws were written to recognize what was already inherently ours, and NO law can justifiably take away.
            So cram your Liberal Gobbledy Gook where the sun…

          • Robert Smith

            Cliffy says: ““We hold these truths to be self-evident…”

            Our laws are NOT based in the Declaration of Independance but in out Constution. The Constitution is the rule and guide for American Law, NOT your god.

            To imply that we get our rights from anything but “WE THE PEOPLE” is a lie. What does your god say about lying?

            Rob

          • JC

            Robert Smith says:
            January 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm

            To imply that we get our rights from anything but “WE THE PEOPLE” is a lie. What does your god say about lying?
            ______________________________________________________________

            I see you’ve completely avoided the FACT that the right to self defense is a FACT of Nature or Nature’s God. It does not come from “We The people” or any people anywhere for that matter. It’s simply a FACT.

            You’re just another twisted Liberal trying to twist this to a Twisted Liberals twisted way of thinking….did I mention that you’re twisted? ;)
            And so is the Mayor of Newark.

          • Cliffystones

            JC,

            Smitty doesn’t get it. He’ll never get it. He reminds me of Daniel Stern in the movie “City Slickers” when Billy Crystal was trying to explain to him how you could videotape one program while watching another. The cows they were driving figured it out , but Daniel never did.

            For some strange and sad reason, the logic circuits in many of these Liberals are cross-wired. They simply cannot fathom the concept of individual liberty and responsibility. This wouldn’t be a problem if they would simply quit trying to impose their nanny state on those of us who do.

            I’s also obvious from his derogatory remarks that Smitty has a problem with the belief in a supreme being.

          • JC

            That’s a good start Cliffystones.
            I’m sure “volumes” can be written on why Liberals are incapable of seperating the reality of human existence from their utopian ideals that simply don’t work.

    • R Crain

      Most people are illegal when it comes to gun ownership. I know people that have never been arrested, never ticketed for anything, but they cannot get a permit to purchase a gun legally. They are not one of the good ol boys, or they do not hold positions of power.They are not large cash contributors either.They are just every day workers and tax payers. They have to purchase a gun through other channels, which makes them illegal.A friend of mine married a hard core Liberal woman, and she refused to have a gun in her house.He , like a fool, was selling them to anyone to make her happy. Some he gave to relatives to get them gone.Under our current laws of the land, just about anyone can be illegal, even when you are legal. It depends on who you pissed off, who is prosecuting you. That is why I live in the woods, and avoid the city at all cost.Where I live, I don`t need a gun. All my neighbors are 4 legged. The most they want is to be left alone, the same as me.

      • Karolyn

        Anybody who wants to own a gun can just move to the south!

        • mike1127

          Just move to the South? What an amazing display of one person stereotyping a whole group of people. I’ll bet you are one of the first in line about racial discrimination, yet you publicly print a statement like that. Are you implying that those of us that live in the South are mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers that will shoot you at the drop of a hat?

          I’m all for more people down here owning guns. Here’s a fun little fact for you. Kennesaw, a small town in Georgia, mandated that all homeowners were required to own at least one firearm. Oddly enough, after that law was enacted, break-ins and muggings dropped to practically zero percent. I wonder why? Maybe because the criminal knew he wasn’t attacking a helpless victim?

          I’m willing to bet that you truly believe the police are here to serve and protect you. That is not true. Try calling the cops and tell them that you are afraid someone outside your house may have a gun and looks as if he is casing your house. They will tell you that they can do NOTHING until a crime has been committed. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Cops are for revenge, not protection.

          In a perfect world, we would not have to worry about getting attacked/robbed/raped or whatever. Since this is not a perfect world, only a fool does not take steps to protect him/herself. Remember, the police do not want to protect you, they may get hurt in the process; they only want to bring your assailant to “justice”.

          Remember that case in New York last year where the cops listened to a woman being murdered on the other side of her door? They were in her hallway listening to her beg for help. They couldn’t enter because one of their officers might have gotten hurt (official police policy). They literally stood there and listen to this woman get killed by her own son (with a knife, by the way), while bystanders (including the apartment owner and her other son) were begging them to go in and stop him.

          I live in Tennessee, and I guarantee you that anybody that brings a knife to someone’s house to do some violence will not leave that house alive. You may ridicule the South all you want, this is a free country. I was born down South, but grew up in Ohio. There is a big difference between the two: Southerners don’t go crying for their babysitter (police) when someone enters their house with ill intentions. We call the ambulance after the problem has been disposed of. I sleep very well at night knowing if someone breaks into my house, my wife and children will be well-protected. The cops are useless for anything other than motor-vehicle violations and busting small-time drug users.

          From your posts, you seem to fear living in your city. Why don’t you move somewhere else if you are so scared?

          And calling someone a subhuman democratic knuckle-dragger is NOT racist. It is hatred for a political party, not any specific race. You just love pointing that finger of yours, don’t you?

          • Karolyn

            I just said move to the south because everybody here has guns and it’s no big deal. Why did you have to freak out?

          • Karolyn

            BTW – I live in a tiny town in SC. You sure as hell read an awful lot into what I wrote.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, I think that’s what you don’t realize – your posts always come across as some sort of heckling about the South. You aren’t Southern and you can live anywhere but embrace it or leave it. You’ve been here long enough to either accept the differences from Jersey or go home.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – I have no problem with people owning guns here. I wouldn’t, but I’ve gotten used to it. We had a rape/murder recently, and many women are taking classes with the Sheriff’s office and getting guns. Hey – good for them. The trouble with “talking” online is that meanings get misconstrued. I was not talking badly about the south.

          • independent thinker

            Karolyn as Liberty said anytime you mention the south in one of your posts it comes accross as a putdown of the south. Since it always comes across that way it is logical to conclude you feel that way.

          • http://deleted Claire

            To add some lightheartedness– I am probably considered a “Yank’ but I love the South. I love everything about the South. And right now I wish I lived there–it is colder than heck here.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, I understand what you are saying. Just reread what you write first and think about the “multiple” meanings of what you are writing as if your didn’t write it. That’s an art in itself. “Words are the source of much misunderstanding” – Antoine de St. Exupery

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I’m a “recovered” Yank myself as you know. And it’s very cold here – last night, today and tonight. It should warm up some here as the days go on.

      • http://google gary gerke

        Your friend is pussified!!!!
        All he had to do is hide one in his garage!!!!!!!!

    • sandcasstle

      Maybe we need a more refined definition of “illegal”. We have a nation full of “illegal” people that are sucking our country dry in so many ways, yet you are upset about someone owning a so-called “illegal” gun. “If they are illegal, their intent is not favorable.” Does this only apply to guns? Why does the government get to pick and choose what is “illegal” and what is not, hmmmm?? Like someone already stated, nowhere does it state that in order to bear arms that we have to be licensed, registered, or in anyway given governmental permission. It always mystifies me how so many choose where and when rules/laws apply and when they don’t.

      • Gil

        Well actually: “A welll regulated militia . . .”

        • JimH

          Gil, The 2nd amendment was writen in the late 18th century. Use the 18th century definition of militia instead of the 20th& 21rst century definition and it will become clear what it really means.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Gil also needs to look up “well regulated” as it applies to the second amendment. It means well equiped and trained NOT controlled.

          • Gil

            Sure! Just like dickering over the term “general welfare”.

          • JimH

            Gil, Remember what year the term general welfare was written and there should be no dickering. It isn’t dificult if you understand that.
            Late 18th century.

          • Gil

            Using the 18th century definition of a militia was free men between the ages of 18 and 45 who turned up for training every now and then and could be called up for action when needed.

          • independent thinker

            Exactly Gil. When called they were expected to show up with their PERSONALY OWNED military grade firearm and ammunition for the firearm. Since then we have passed equal rights/non-discrimanation amendments and laws so now women and those over 45 able to serve would be included. Generaly the local sheriff or other local official was supposed to call the citizens for their occasional training so any lack of training now can be laid at those peoples feet.

          • Gil

            The Founders didn’t want society to be equal so the 2nd Amendment should interpreted that way, right?

    • mike1127

      A lot of people have unregistered weapons simply because it is nobody’s business if they have one. Just because they have an unregistered weapon does not mean they are criminals.

  • Joe in CT

    And how is anyone supposed to know if a gun holder is a legal or illegal gun owner? Yes, Communism and National Socialism both started that way – snitching on your neighbors. What’s next? Snitching on people who criticize the President? Having children snitch on their parents? As Thomas Jefferson said, we will get the government we deserve.

    • Vagabond

      you are so right Joe. and it seems we have far too many IDIOTS who love obama’s type of governing. folks you better keep your powder dry and ready,

    • Karolyn

      When you live in poverty in a city like Newark, more than likely the fun owner next door is not legal.

      • Karolyn

        And. yeah. I’m sure he has “fun” with his “gun.” Sorry for the typo. fingers too fast!

      • mike1127

        You MUST be a psychic.

    • Gil

      “Snitches deserve stitches.”

  • Erik

    The Second Amendment isn’t up for debate. The words “shall not be infringed” covers all and any future questions.
    This mayor is a perfect example what is wrong with this once great nation. When criminals have little recourse to divert from their evil ways and we elect criminals the result is always more crime. Laws andpolicess of this nature only hurt the law abiding citizens that are encumbered by them. This is a joke and I hope this lunatic gets thrown out of office. As we all know the only reason politicians hate guns is because they bring equalization and are the only thing that gives any other rights we have “teeth”.

    • Gil

      Had the 1st Amendment read “intelligent, respectful political speech and press being important to freedom, the right of people to speak and print shall not infringed” then Larry Flint and co,. would no legal leg to stand for their right to publish obscenities. If the Framers simply wanted people to own guns without restrictions then they wouldn’t have mentioned well-regulated militias . . .”

      • Buster the Anatolian

        ” If the Framers simply wanted people to own guns without restrictions then they wouldn’t have mentioned well-regulated militias . . .”

        Gil……….first lets look at militias. When the consttution was written the militia was (and still is) all men between 16 and 45 years of age. With the anti-discrimination and equality amendments to the Constitution it would now incluse women and have no upper age limit.

        Well regulated in the context of the second amendment means well equiped and trained NOT controlled or registered.

        • Gil

          Switzerland operates a militia force and makes a clear distinction between militia weapons and private weapons. The Framers would have had the same notion. They were trying to protect the ability for militia to be formed and summoned.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            We are not talking about Switzerland but rather the US. As stated above the militia is the citizens of the US not some special group of citizens but ALL the citizens. Historicaly the militia in the US was/is expected to furnish their own arms so they must own and posess the firearms to bring if called to serve.

  • My2cents

    Will he pay if Obama gets reported for each weapon that is in the hands of the military? If so someone is going to get very rich very quickly.

    I have never seen a military weapon licensed, including my own when I was there. They were just issued to you according to the serial number.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey 2 cents how the heck are you? You posted: “I have never seen a military weapon licensed, including my own when I was there.”

      Our military guys and gals don’t carry passports either. Their military ID is sufficient.

      I get the impression you really don’t understand how things work.

      Rob

      • libertytrain

        Rob per your: “Our military guys and gals don’t carry passports either. Their military ID is sufficient. I get the impression you really don’t understand how things work.”
        I think perhaps you may want to revisit your statement and do some quick checking. That’s been gone at least 4-5 years now. Military ID is not sufficient.

        • Robert Smith

          Posted: “Military ID is not sufficient.”

          Oh? How are things different? Do they issue passports to our military now? How is liberty in forign ports accomplished?

          Rob

          • libertytrain

            Yes, they issue passports to our military now. Have for the last 4 or 5 years. And they need the regular passport that the rest of us use to travel aside from the military travels. Doesn’t take much to look that up, but I’m helping you here.

  • Karolyn

    Oh, yeah, put up an article about gun ownership to rile the folks, while not telling them what kind of problems the city of Newark has faced for many years as a crime/drug city.

    • bill

      Karolyn,the answer is not enlisting the general population to ‘snitch’ on their neighbors. the answer lies in better policing, armed citizenry (studies prove that an armed citizenry reduces crime),
      and much tougher prison sentences for gun related crimes.

      These initiatives have to be better thought out and written so as not to infringe on the liberties of law abiding citizens.

      • Karolyn

        How about if NOBODY had guns?

        • Robert Smith

          Won’t work and it’s obvious.

          If you want to take the time to learn a little Gary Kleck is an excellent place to start.

          From Wikipedia as a starting point: “Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and the myth of big-time gun trafficking.[10]”

          Not all the footnotes. This stuff has been researched and although argued against never refuted.

          You can start at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck

          As a suggestion that will help create a mindset that tosses out some of the pre-concieved notions may I suggest that you start with his information about suicide and guns? After all guns are blamed for a lot of suicides. I think the facts will be interesting to you.

          The bottom line of the suicide thing is we need to address mental health issues, NOT guns. But those who support guns from the extreme right don’t support the necessary mental health care so they catch themselves with nothing to do but scream about their precious guns. It’s dumb that they aren’t working in their own self interest, but that seems to be a trait of the extreme right.

          Rob

          • Karolyn

            Rob – Just think about it. If nobody had guns, wars would have to be fought with hand-to-hand combat. There would be less death and destruction. Guns are not necessary for security. It would include any type of explosive weapon. Just think of how much safer the world would be. Hunters could use bow and arrows. Cops could still have tazers. As a matter of fact, tazers could take the place of the guns people keep for protection. However, I think that men would have a hard time with this because they love their loud noises so much and the power that having a gun gives them.

            On a side note regarding suicide: If I ever wanted to leave this plane, I would just take a bunch of pills to put me to sleep. Why would anybody want to shoot himself?

          • Robert Smith

            The suggested world without guns, etc. is covered. For a complete answer I suggest you start with S.M. Stirling’s trilogy “Dies the Fire.”

            It’s a fantacy series and you can get some of the basics at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_the_Fire

            I particularly identify with the Bearkillers.

            Rob

        • David in MA

          If “nobody” had guns then only the government (and criminals)would have guns…
          THIS IS what the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is all about!
          The ability of the people to resist an oppressive government.
          And if you have not noticed lately the obozo administration is becoming more oppressive every day.

          Arise Patriots, resist tyrany.

          Pray for the Oath Keepers.
          Hope for the Lone Wolf.

          • Karolyn

            David – When I say NOBODY, I mean NOBODY! Think about it. What if explosives had never been discovered?

          • Robert Smith

            From Karolyn who asks: “What if explosives had never been discovered?”

            Look at history before guns. It’s not as if there wasn’t violence, war, criminals, and general mahem before guns.

            The issue isn’t guns. It’s PEOPLE. Some people are evil. It’s that simple.

            The Inquisitors didn’t shoot anyone. They tortured them. And I can guarantee you the stakes that people were burned at weren’t “registered.”

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, it is thought the Chinese first used (and had invented) explosives in about 1141. If they hadn’t someone else would have within the last 875 years or so.

          • Gil

            The 2nd Amendment was about maintaining the militia forcse that were helpful during the Revolution. Hence the Constitution gives the Governemnt the power to call up militia forces suppress rebellions and insurrection. That is to say, the militia is supposed to be there to help government out in it times of need. People who gang up on the government will be classed as traitors and treated as such. The American Revolutionaries were traitors to the Crown and were treated as such too. Had George Washington lost he would have been hung, drawn and quartered.

        • Cliffystones

          Even the late John Lennon said “Imagine”. The guns are just inanimate objects. Outlawing or eliminating them will no change what’s in the hearts and minds of people bent on doing harm to others.

          Newark has tried it Mayor Booker’s way for quite some time. And you freely admit that it hasn’t helped in Newark. So how about we try this? Following the letter of the constitution for a one year trial period in Newark. If things do get worse, us Libertarians will freely acknowledge this and the city can return to it’s old statutes. But I will bet you right here and now there will be a lot less crime, and a lot fewer hardened criminals among the living in Newark.

        • lyle de vore

          you are a moran ligeally owned guns is what keeps our copuntry safe i will never give up my guns too anyone this country is headed into socialism because of people like you, ill bet you even voted for obama who is destroying this country wake up. put your left hand on your right ear and your right hand on your left ear give a big pull and pull your head out of your ass

        • michael

          Will you volunteer to disarm the gang bangers, the terrorists, the psychotic criminals ? I mean just go door to door, unarmed of course and politely inform them that they must turn over their firearms to you. You of course will give them a coupon for a new pair of Nike Tennis shoes in ex change for their firearms… I’m sure that if you tell them that you are a liberal obamma suporter that they will see
          your point of view… oh, while you are at it, pick up their pointy knives and clubs as well, as they have done in England

          You do have a sign in your front yard stating that you are a liberal non gun owning victim who will give up all valuables when a criminal
          shows up at her door, and to allow herself to be abused as well ???

        • mike1127

          How about if Santa Claus and unicorns were real? We’re talking about FACTS, not fantasy.

        • Erik

          What if Santa, Batman, and the Easter Bunny were real?
          Let’s see if we can find something bright and shiny for you to play with.
          You’re very precious.

        • JC

          Karolyn says:
          January 13, 2012 at 7:33 am
          How about if NOBODY had guns?
          _______________________________________________________

          Does “Nobody” include the Government and the Police?
          What planet are you on?

    • zed

      Karolyn,
      Knuckledraggers will always be knuckledraggers. They cannot be trusted; Booker is the chief knuckledragger of Newark and Obama the chief knuckledragger of all democrat scum. Their ultimate goal is to remove all firearms from white people so they can enslave us, this latest scheme of bookers will just be the start. Give the scum money so they turn on their own then expand it. It is the foot in the door approach. The revolution is brewing and the insurrection is coming. Newark is a violent city because it is full of democrat knuckledraggers; they are subhuman one and all.

      • 2centsworth

        Newark is a city where the “game” is drugs, cops, courts, and money and it goes on in a never ending cycle. It’s really ridiculous the way “poor” people are always on drugs. If you’re so poor…how can you afford drugs? Why is that your priority? Do you starve your kids to get drugs? This is a bad cycle, and until people elevate their knowledge and open their eyes to what is REALLY going on, they will not be able to ascend up to a higher plane of existance. You Karolyn CAN get out of the mess you are in, and Zed is right in what he is saying. Please don’t take anything personally, just if the shoe fits, put it on if you want.

        • Karolyn

          I’m not in a mess. If drugs were legalized, there wouldn’t be so much crime in the first place because the crimes have to be committed to get the money for the illegal drugs.

          The ONLY way the cycle can be changed is to start with GOOD teachers teaching the kids at an early age how to live. I heard a guy on he radio this morning expounding on how worthless the SATs are in judging if a child will be successful in college. He made a very good point that thought processes and attitude, etc. are more important that learning things by wrote and filling in little circles on a test. More schools with teachers who take an interest in their students would go a long way to making big changes in our society.

          • Harvey

            Using your theory we could make robbing a bank be a legal act. Just do away with all laws and there will not be any crimes. I do agree with your comments about schools. Another place that. Reds addressing is the home life or lack of one. The slave owners fed,clothed, provide medical care and provided a place to live ( slavery was wr

          • Karolyn

            Harvey – I didn’t say anything about doing away with all laws – just legalizing drugs so they can be taxed and regulated. Using all the money saved by getting rid of the DEA would provide more money for education and rehabilitation.

          • Harvey

            Using your theory we could make robbing a bank be a legal act. Just do away with all laws and there will not be any crimes. I do agree with your comments about schools. Another place that needs addressing is the home life or lack of one. The slave owners fed,clothed, provide medical care and provided a place to live ( slavery was was totally wrong ). The only difference in slavery and todays slaves to the democratic party is that the slaves do not have to work!
            Check history and you will find that Hitler used this snitching as a prelude to his taking over the country. The parents need to police their offspring and stop them from breaking the law before the fact. The only problem with this is that the parents ( not all ) are bad role models. These parents already have a criminal record.
            When someone reports ” I saw Joe with a gun ” what happens. If the gun holder is legal or not the police will detail ( arrest ) the person. Guilty until proven innocent. I know it would help to some extent, but giving up a freedom for a false Sense of security never has worked and never will.

          • Karolyn

            Harvey – People are slaves to the Democrat AND Republican parties. Why cite just one?

          • JC

            Karolyn says:
            January 13, 2012 at 8:34 am
            I’m not in a mess. If drugs were legalized, there wouldn’t be so much crime in the first place because the crimes have to be committed to get the money for the illegal drugs.
            ________________________________________________________________

            That is correct. people are sovereign over themselves, and that includes the right to be stupid.

            Harvey, have you forgotten or did you ever know how badly the prohibition on alcohol failed? Did you know that when it was legalized the murder rate in the US fell by half almost overnight?

            Drug Laws are merely another level of Government control and that is all they are meant to be.

        • mike1127

          Really? All poor people are on drugs? That’s news to me. The vast majority of drug-users are middle-class citizens. The vast majority of those jailed are poor people. They are jailed because they can’t afford a lawyer. Court-appointed defense lawyers are a joke. You get what you pay for. I’m just a bit disgusted by the fact that you think all poor people are on drugs. There’s also the fact that some drugs are cheaper than a pack of cigarettes to buy.

      • Karolyn

        OMG! Racism not welcome here!

        • Harvey

          Karolyn you need to read my comments again. In order to be racist I would have mention a race of people or used a demeaning name. Neither of these were used. Just for the record, people of all races have been slaves throughout history. This is true today. Take your blinders off and see the truth and try not to accuse falsely accuse someone of being racist.

          • Karolyn

            Harvey – It wasn’t you it was Zed. Please read his post.

  • Jesse

    My point proven again, keep the sheeple arguing and we do what we want. Its not up to anyone here or law enforcement to decide who carries a weapon or not. Everyone is entitled to….it America!

    If the mayor wants to do something good, make an announcement that the city has bought guns for everyone that does not have one and they can have one and free training. Then everyone has one and the criminals will think twice about doing anything.

    Again, controlling anthers rights to protect themselves is not up to you or any agency, its our right. Even a criminal is entitled to protect himself from another criminal whether you understand, like, or dislike it…it just is.

    • 2centsworth

      The Attorney General of the United States of America, Eric Holder was getting powerful assault weapons into the hands of drug dealers in Mexico….as a set up to proceed with “their” desire to take guns away from all Americans. It’s the only thing that they are pretty sure will stop Americans from defending themselves against their Communistic goals to enslave the people, and do away with 80%+ of them, and also put them in their fema prison camps. So, knowing that…the people of the United States of America need to get the Thugs out of the White House and Government, and keep and buy more guns and ammunition as a deterrent to an evil conspiracy against human’s rights to exist in peace and freedom here on this planet.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/paul-holding-strong-leading-into-first-primary/?eiid= William L collins

    its people like claire that will be working for the NEW WORLDER HITLER force and will trun her freinds or anyone she thanks that has a gun thats just how it happend in eruope when hitler disarmed the people and then they took the arms away from the ones that was truning everyone in every one knows noe that CLAIRE AND HER HUSBAND are the first hitler backers that has came out lust like there mayor so N.J. will be the first bunch that go strate to the FEAMA CAMPS with the help of people like CLAIRE and her husband EVERY BODY HAD BETTER VOTE FOR RON PAUL so we the people can start taken our country back from hitler regime

  • My right to bear arms

    People stop and think for a minute.People were killing each other thousands of years before guns were thought of.If someone wants to kill another person they will weather they have a gun or not.It is not the gun that kills it is the person holding it.We need tougher laws against the criminals not against gun owners or guns.I am an avid hunter and will never use my gun for other then hunting but to defend me and my property I will use it.Think of the NRA cartoon that shows they let the criminal go and hung his gun.Think of this.It is not the gun,it is the criminal!!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Was it Cane who shot Able or Able who shot Cane?

      Was it a command from a registered god?

      Rob

      • JC

        A little O.C.D. on the religion thing aren’t you Robert?
        Unfortunately for you, it aligns you perfectly with Communist doctrine.

  • Jerry

    The guns are not the problem, the criminals and urban culture are the problem. A criminal can use a gun, knife, car, tire iron or a hammer to commit a violent crime. Why doesn’t the mayor pay someone $1,000 to report the crime?

  • JCfromDC

    Welcome to the United Soviet Socialist States of AmeriKa, Mr. Mayor. This is EXACTLY what went on in the Soviet Union for 60 odd years. Bastard! One can only HOPE that Gov. Christie would put the squelch to this usurpish nonsense!

    • Karolyn

      Christy should have no say in what a city does.

      • mike1127

        Isn’t he the Governor? At this point I am seriously entertaining the thought that you just may be out of your mind, off in a little fantasy world of your own somewhere.

  • Jeff

    Everyone should get together and turn each other in and get the millions in reward and use it to sue the mayor… And demand that they put them all in jail. There releasing because of overcrowding now. How utterly STUPID this mayor is….

    • Awakened Avenger

      Mayors of major urban metropolises are not ‘selected’ and paid to think. They are paid to be stupid!

  • jimmy the greek

    I lived in Newark back in the late 60s even back then you were crazy not having a gun .

  • jon brown

    A QUOTE IN 1944 BY NORMAN MATTOON THOMAS.(A SOCIALIST PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE) THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY ADOPT SOCIALISM .BUT UNDER THE NAME LIBERALISM THEY WILL ADOPT EVERY FRAGMENT OF THE SOCIALIST PROGRAM ,UNTILL ONE DAY AMERICA WILL BE A SOCIALIST NATION, WITHOUT KNOWING HOW IT HAPPENED.I NO LONGER NEED TO RUN AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR THE SOCIALIST PARTY. THE DEMOCRATE PARTY HAS ADOPTED OUR PLATFORM. SCARY TO SAY THE LEAST!!!!!!!!

    • Sirian

      Very good historical point jon b. But here’s the problem, just as Thomas stated “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. . . until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” In reality, his statement is true and becoming more and more evident. Such fools, never to accept how easily they have been manipulated. Check out some of John T. Flynn’s books from back in the forties, you’ll find them both interesting and very applicable to today.

  • jim

    “WE CANT AFFORD.”….to have another politicain BF the american folks while raping our rights under the constitution.

  • DoctorBob

    The Gestapo would be so envious!

  • Kenneth Appel

    You turn me in, I turn you in, We both get a free AK. Such a deal!

  • PW from Texas

    Like it has been said many, many times. If you take the guns from the public, only criminals will have guns.

    The Government can not tell you whether or not you can own a gun. It is not only your right to own a gun it is your RESPONSIBILITY to your country and countrymen to own and know how to use a gun.

    If every body owned a gun and knew how to use it you would see crime all but disappear in all cities.

    My philosophy is, Get yourself a gun and one for each member of your family over the age of 12 years old, learn how to use it well and teach each family member how to use their gun well, and have no less than 1,000 rounds of ammunition for each gun you own. Last but not least, Keep Your Powder Dry.

    God bless America.

    • Awakened Avenger

      “only criminals will have guns”. Yes I agree. They will have been integrated into the ‘enforcemnet’ arm of government. History is replete with examples. Checka, NKVD, Stasi, Gestapo, SAVAK, and etc. Better known as the police. Local, County, State, and Federal.

  • Daylo

    What a cheap way to be undermine the constitution. Of course, he is a Democrat. They love this crap.

  • CSW

    So you think if you gave away your weapons for a $1000.00 dollars will really help you. This Mayor doesn’t care about you and your freedoms. Just in case you don’t know President Obama signed in to Law Bill S-1867/NDAA. The Mainstream Media hasn’t talked about. All your freedoms and Liberties have been taken from you now. Every God fearing loving American is now a Terrorist, The Military,Police and TSA can come arrest you even if you’ve done nothing. Here is another thing to think about. When that time comes you can fight for your freedoms are go to a FEMA camp,There set up just like the ones the Nazis had in WW2.If I lived in your city I would keep my Guns and go out and get some more. You need to find out if your Sheriff is one who stands for the Constitution. If his great get together and have him get rid of the Mayor, If not you need to elected one that is. A sheriff can tell the Fed’s where they can go….

    • michael

      buy up a large number of trash guns. hide them in the house of known left wing sympathizers like Karolyn,turn them in collect the 1000, buy more junk guns and repeat. Watch Karolyn squeal as she is arrested.

      repeat as needed.

    • mike1127

      A lot of our police and military belong to an organization called “The OathKeepers”. They have pledged to support their oath they took to the Constitution, and not to the authority over them. “ALL enemies, foreign an DOMESTIC”.

      The police and military are just as divided as the public regarding these issues.

  • GrayStroke

    Looks like Esau has a large family living in New Johy-cee they are willing to sell their shredded 2d amendment rights to protect themselves for a false sense of security. As the adage goes when seconds count police are minutes away and hope your never in need of one.Here is a good read worthy of cutting-n-pasting far and wide:
    The Phases of Surrender

    The first phase of surrender is failing to be armed, trained and committed to fight. We are prepared to surrender when we are unprepared to resist.

    The second phase of surrender is failing to be alert. You must see trouble coming in order to have time to respond. The warning may be less than one second but it will be there and it must be recognized and acted upon immediately.

    The Third phase of surrender is giving up your weapons.

    The last phase of surrender is up to the monsters who have taken control of your life and perhaps the lives of your loved ones. The last phase of surrender is out of your hands.

    Surrender during war

    During the American Revolution 12,000 Colonists captured by the British died in captivity on prison ships, while only 8,000 died in battle. Had the 12,000 who surrendered continued to fight many would have survived and they could have done great damage to the British and likely shortened the war.

    Civil War prisoners were treated so badly that some 50,000 died in captivity. More Americans have been killed by Americans than by any foreign army in any war. Six hundred eighteen thousand (618,000) Americans died in the Civil War.

    As many as 18,000 captured American and Filipino prisoners died or were murdered at the hands of the Japanese during the six days of the “Bataan Death March.” Had most of these soldiers slipped into the jungle and fought as guerrillas they could have tied up elements of the Japanese Army for months or years and perhaps more of them would have survived the war.

    Of the Americans who actually reached Japanese prison camps during the war, nearly 50,000 died in captivity. That is more than 10 percent of all the American military deaths in the entire war in both the Pacific and European theaters combined.

    In addition to the 50,000 captured Americans who died in Japanese prison camps an additional 20,000 were murdered before reaching a prison camp. If those 70,000 Americans had continued to fight, they could have provided time for the United States to build and maneuver its forces, perhaps shortening the war and saving even more lives. Some of them would have likely survived the war. If they had all died in battle their fate would have been no worse.

    During the early stages of the Battle of the Bulge American soldiers were massacred by the German troops who captured them.

    During the Vietnam conflict many American Prisoners Of War were tortured daily for years by the Communist North Vietnamese. Many Americans died during the process. Only Officers (Aviators) held in North Vietnam were ever repatriated. Enlisted Americans captured in South Viet Nam were routinely tortured, mutilated and murdered by the Communists. As a combat soldier and knowing my fate should I be captured, I was committed to fighting to the death. I made specific plans to force the enemy to kill me rather than allow myself to be captured.

    In recent years, American troops captured by Islamic terrorists groups have virtually all been tortured and murdered in gruesome fashion. If I were fighting in the Middle East, I would make a similar vow and plan to fight to the death. Under no circumstances would I allow myself to be captured by our Islamic enemies.

    Death by Government

    R.J. Rummel, who wrote the book, “Death by Government” states that prior to the 20th Century; 170 million civilians were murdered by their own governments. Historians tell us that during the 20th Century perhaps as many as 200 million civilians were murdered by their own governments.

    Some of the Nations where the mass murder of civilians occurred during the 20th Century include Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, The Congo, Uganda, Armenia, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Nigeria, Laos, China, Cuba, Manchuria, Iraq, Iran, Biafra, Rwanda and many others. The slaughter of civilians by governments appears to be as common as not.

    Most of these slaughters were only made possible by disarming the victims before killing them. Had these people resisted, their fate would have been no worse and perhaps better. Resistance is much more difficult after the government has already taken the means of resistance away from the people. Planned genocide has been the primary reason for weapon confiscation throughout history.

    Jews and others who surrendered to the Nazis were murdered in slave labor camps by the millions. Had all the Jews in Europe resisted when the Nazis started rounding them up they could have made the Nazis pay an enormous price for the holocaust. The fact that Hitler confiscated guns in 1936 made resistance far less feasible.

    Had the Jews in Germany resisted, the outcome may have been the same but the world would have learned about the holocaust years earlier and may have intervened. Most people would prefer to die fighting and trying to kill their oppressor, than be taken off to a death camp and starved to death or murdered in a gas chamber.

    William Ayers, former leader of the Terrorist organization The Weather Underground, and close friend of Barack Obama, told his followers in the Weather Underground, “When we (Communist Revolutionaries) take over the United States, we will have to kill 25 million Americans.” He was referring to those who would never submit to a Communist takeover. Those who would refuse to deny and reject the Constitution would have to be murdered. If this sounds impossible, remember that Genocide by Government was the leading cause of death in the last Century.

    Surrendering to Criminals

    The Onion Field Murder in California was a wake up call to Law Enforcement Officers everywhere. On March 9, 1963, two Los Angeles Police Department officers were taken prisoner by two criminals. The Officers submitted to capture and gave up their weapons.

    They were driven to an onion field outside of Bakersfield.

    One Officer was murdered while the other Officer managed to escape in a hail of gunfire. The surviving Officer suffered serious psychological case, having been unable to save his partner. As a result of this incident, the LAPD policy became, “You will fight no matter how bad things are.” “You will never ever surrender your weapons or yourself to a criminal.”

    Consider the Ogden, Utah record store murders. Read the book if you do not know the story. The manner in which the criminals murdered their young victims cannot be described here. Resistance might have been futile. Compliance was definitely and absolutely futile.

    The courts in this country have ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect anyone. Why do Law Enforcement Officials always tell civilians not to resist a criminal, while they tell their Officers to always resist and never surrender? Police administrators fear being sued by a civilian victim who gets hurt resisting. Furthermore, the police, like all government agencies derive their power by fostering dependence.

    According to Professor John Lott’s study on the relationship between guns and crime, a victim who resists with a firearm is less likely to be hurt or killed than a victim who cooperates with his attacker. His book is titled “More Guns, Less Crime.”

    The Doctor and his family in Connecticut complied and cooperated, meeting every demand of the home invasion robbers to whom they had surrendered. The Doctors wife and daughters were tortured, raped, doused with gasoline and burned alive. How did surrender and cooperation work out for them?

    In another home invasion robbery, a kindly couple with 9 “adopted, special needs children,” surrendered to the robbers. The victims opened their safe and did not resist in any way. When the robbers where finished ransacking the home and terrifying the children, they shot both parents in the head several times before leaving. How did surrender and complete cooperation work out for them?

    Handing over your life by surrendering to someone who is in the process of committing a violent crime against you is a form of suicide. Some survive but many do not. The monster gets to decide for you.

    We have heard brutalized victims say, “The robber said that he would not hurt us if we cooperated.” Why would you believe anything that someone who is committing a crime against you says? He will be lying if he speaks. As we say in law enforcement, “If a criminal’s lips are moving while he is speaking, he is lying.” Criminals by definition are dishonest and should never be trusted or believed.

    You have no doubt heard friends say, I would not resist a criminal, after all why would he kill me? This is stupid and naive. In law enforcement, we call these people “Victims by Choice” (VBC). There could be a long list of reasons why a criminal would kill you despite your cooperation.

    You may be of a different race, thus a different tribe. Only members of his tribe are actually human in his mind. He may feel hatred toward you because you have more than he does. Gratification from being in a position of total power is reason enough for some.

    Criminals are sometimes members of a Satanic Cult who worship death such as the “Night Stalker” in California. Eliminating a potential witness is often cited as a reason to kill a victim. Sometimes criminals simply enjoy causing suffering and death. There are people who are in fact, pure evil. I have heard criminals say, “I killed her just to watch her die.”

    A victim who begs for mercy can give his attacker a tremendous feeling of power which many criminals seem to enjoy. You cannot expect mercy from someone who does not know what mercy is.

    Resist!

    We each have a duty to ourselves, our loved ones, our neighbors, our community, our city, our state and our country to resist criminals. Reasoning with a thug who believes that his failures are because of people just like you is not likely to be helpful. Pleading with a terrorist who has been taught from birth that his salvation depends on murdering people like you is a doomed plan. Resist!

    Resist! His gun may not be real. After you are tied up it will not matter. His gun may not be loaded. After you are tied up it will not matter. He may not know how to operate his gun. After you are tied up it will not matter. Resist!

    Statistically if you run and your assailant shoots at you he will miss. Statistically if you run and he shoots and hits you, you will not die. Bad guys shooting at the police miss 90 percent of the time. The odds are on your side. Better to die fighting in place than to be tied up, doused with gasoline and burned alive. There are things worse than death. Surrender to a criminal or a terrorist and you will learn what they are. Resist!

    If you resist with a commitment to win you may well prevail, especially if you are armed and trained. If you lose it is still better to die fighting in place than to be taken prisoner and have your head cut off with a dull knife while your screams gurgle through your own blood as we have witnessed on numerous videos from the Middle East, brought to us by the “Islamic practitioners of peace.”

    Some who have refused to surrender

    History is filled with brave people who refused to surrender. Some of these men and woman have won their battles despite what seemed to be insurmountable odds. Others have gone down fighting and avoided being tortured to death. Some fought to the death to help or save others. Many have fought to the death for an idea or a belief.

    When General Santa Ana (also the President of Mexico at the time) ordered 180 “Texacans” to surrender the Alamo, Col. Travis answered with “a cannon shot and a rebel yell.” Eventually General Santa Ana was able to build his troop strength to ten thousand. The Mexicans then swarmed the defenders and killed them all.

    The battle of the Alamo delayed the Mexican Army long enough for Sam Houston to build his Texacan Army, which met and defeated the Mexican Army and captured General Santa Ana. General Santa Ana traded Texas for his life and the sacrifices of the Alamo defenders changed history.

    Frank Luke was a heroic aviator in WWI. Shot down and wounded he refused to surrender when confronted by a German patrol. He killed 4 German soldiers with his 1911 Pistol before being killed. Luke was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

    When his unit was pinned down by German Machine Guns and all of the Officers and non commissioned officers in his company were killed or wounded, Alvin York never considered surrendering. Instead, he attacked hundreds of German soldiers killing about 25 with his rifle and pistol and then captured 132 others by himself!

    Most of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto (Poland) surrendered to the German Army. They were taken off to death camps and murdered. Between 400 and 1,000 Jews refused to surrender and armed with only a few pistols, revolvers and rifles, they held off the German Army for three months before dying in battle.

    During the “Battle of the Bulge,” the 101st Airborne was surrounded by the German Army and ordered to surrender. Faced with overwhelming odds, the Commanding Officer of the 101st sent this reply to the Germans. “Nuts.” The Americans refused to surrender and they stopped the German advance. Most of the Americans troops survived.

    On Sept 2, 2010, 40 armed criminals took over and robbed a train in India. Some of the robbers had guns, others used knives and clubs. When they began to disrobe an 18 year old girl for the purpose of gang raping her, one of the passengers decided to fight. He was a 35 year old retired Gurkha soldier. He drew his Khukasri knife and attacked the 40 robbers. He killed three of the robbers and wounded 8 more despite his being wounded in this 20 minute fight. The remaining criminals fled for their lives leaving their stolen loot and eleven comrades dead or wounded on the floor of the train. The eight wounded robbers were arrested.

    How does one man defeat 40? How does he summon the courage to fight such odds? He utilized all of the Principles of Personal Defense: Alertness, Decisiveness, Aggressiveness, Speed, Coolness, Ruthlessness, and Surprise. He was skilled in the use of his weapon. Most importantly, He refused to be a victim and allow evil to triumph!

    If this one inspirational soldier can defeat 40 opponents using his knife, it would seem that we should all be able to defeat a group of armed criminals by using our firearms if we are professionally trained as was this heroic Gurkha soldier.

    Final thoughts

    How will you respond if you are confronted by evil as some of us have been in the past and some of us will be in the future? If you have not decided ahead of time what you will do, you will likely do nothing. Those who fight back often win and survive. Those who surrender never win and often die a horrible death. Have you made your decision? Remember, no decision is a decision to do nothing.

    • http://google gary gerke

      GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      This administration is afraid of the 93-million plus gun owners in the USA today. This number of gun owners would be the largest army in the world.

      McCarthy was right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Harvey

      Thank GOD for people like you that know the truth and are willing to share the truth with others!
      GOD bless you and keep you safe.
      ” Retreat Hell “

    • Boris

      GrayStroke, Great post! One of the most valuable lessons that I learned in the military is Never Surrender (under ANY circumstances). Fight to the death.

    • Cliffystones

      Gray,

      Thanks for the wonderful essay.

      Though I never served myself, I was fortunate to know many Veterans. My Dad was a Marine in the Pacific in WWII, my Father-in-Law a Pearl Harbor survivor who went on to fight in the battle of the Coral Sea.

      The stories I heard from them and other Vets of Vietnam were a lesson to me having never known or faced such evil. Those who would attempt to create peace on earth by pacifying law abiding citizens need to hear these stores. Then think long and hard about the consequences of abdicating their Liberty.

    • Scott in SC

      Gray,
      I don’t know why you left out the facts pertaining to the Ogden robbery, rape, toture and murders as they are relevant to the conversation. The assailants were black and all the victims were white. In this situation the only chance for survival is to fight back. Both assailants were also members of the USAF, so if you think the police and govt are going to save you, you are 100% wrong.

      • GrayStroke

        Scott this was a big picture overview of the herd mentality if you want details to educate yourself and others lease do so and come back and share. I am not omnipotent nor pretend to be.
        Thanks!

    • mike1127

      Bravo! Excellent post. Thank you very much for writing this. I hope you are a member of OathKeepers.

    • Erik

      The “holocaust” is a myth, but the rest of your post was interesting.

      • independent thinker

        The only myth about the holocost is the notion that only Jews were killed or that only a few non Jews were killed.

        • Cliffystones

          I worked with a Lithuanian who had the serial numbers tattooed on his arm. He was Catholic. We had a conversation once about the Holocaust. He hated the fact that the media and the Jews never bothered to mention the fact that they weren’t the only ones destined for the “showers’, but were just the first in line.

        • JC

          13 million total. 6 million were Jews.

    • WVSheepDog

      @GrayStroke: Amen. To all of you who fear the gun but not the hand it is in – There are those of us who forgive you your naivete and ignorance. God Bless the Sheepdogs and watch over the sheep.

  • Scott in SC

    Just watched the commercial and it is absolutely disgusting. Reminds me of those pay day loan and sell your gold for cash hucksters, but much more dangerous. This is turn in your friends, neighbors, parents and children to the government for cash. Trust no one but Big Brother; love no one but Big Brother.
    Definitely designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Constantly waving that handful of cash to a population where poverty is the rule rather than the exception. Of course these cash starved folks will respond, but will never turn in a criminal for fear of retribution.

  • Mitch A

    Coming to your own hometown soon, the new national greeting.
    “Your papers please, comrade.”

  • David in MA

    I think the people of Newark should follow the advice of the mayor, turn in the “buggers”.
    Turn in the names of all the corrupt cops, business people, firefighters, municiple employees,politicians,the corner drug dealer, the illegal immigrants, gang members and even this stupid mayor.
    I imagine it’s a “drop a dime” kind of thing where the caller gets a “secret number” to show who actually made the call if they claim the “reward” (where is this money coming from? or is it just a way to funnnel funding to the democrats), just make the call from a pay phone,get the number and walk away with no intention to claim anything, other than the knowledge the corrupt will be investigated.

    Damn, I like this idea!

  • jon brown

    HEALTY DEBATE IS A GOOD THING, USE IT BEFORE YOU LOSE IT. BY THE WAY RON PAUL IS A NUT!!!!!!!!!!

  • William Cocker

    A little advuce from a Canadian. Practice “malicious obedience”, give your government what they want! Turn in the Mayor, and all the city council, and every cop in the city. If they refuse to act on your information, file a class action suit. Get them chasing their tails, and so wrapped up in paper work that they’ll leave honest citizens alone.

  • http://personalliberty lewis

    Make it all even, if some folks dont have a gun give them one. If everyone is armed nobody has the advantage might even cause some to have second thoughts about trying to do you harm.

  • My right to bear arms

    Some of the posts here are very true.If it was not for our fore fathers and the right to use and bear arms where would we be?Right where the government and law breakers would want us.We would need to hire guards to protect our homes and our families.I for one am a law abiding gun owner.I raised my children to respect guns and to never use one against another person only in defense of their life or property.Washington and Jefferson just to name a couple foresaw this and made it legal for us to bear arms for our freedom.Our freedom was payed for with the courage of our fore fathers.If they would not have paved the way we would be living in turmoil.One other thing.Laws are to be made so people can live together peacefully not to take our rights away!!

    • Gil

      Probably helluva better off unless you were a wealthy, property-owning White male. Even Libertarians such as Stephan Kinsella admit that American Revolution didn’t really achieve much other than high-sounding verbiage. Heck most Libertarians agree that the experiment in freedom pretty much failed before ink of the Constitution had dried. Even George Washington had the nerve to send in troops to against citizens tax protestors. The fact that slaves had to escape from the U.S. to Canada (a part of the British Empire) to find freedom says a lot.

  • JimH

    If you turn someone in Newark in, you can get enough money to buy yourself an AR-15.
    Just a thought.

  • My right to bear arms

    Good point by Jerry.It is the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.If you was running for public office you would have my vote.

  • Steve

    Newark is a cesspool and I hope I never have to even fly into the airport there again.

    I suggest everyone in Newark start reporting any and all police officers to the tip line and give everyone something to do.

  • mike1127

    To you people that support this mayor, I have a question. What would you say if he offered a $1,000.00 reward for information about illegal immigrants? Or a bounty for expired license plates? How about offering a reward for those driving without car insurance? You may say these are minor offenses compared to having an “illegal” gun, but it’s not. Once you start sliding down this slippery slope, where will you stop?

    All this is doing is encouraging the public to spy on themselves. We have police officers that are supposed to deal with these matters. Isn’t it odd though that the police prefer to go after the non-violent offenders,such as those driving uninsured,where they know the offender probably won’t shoot at them?

    I truly don’t understand how people blame guns for killing people. It is true that it makes it a little easier to kill someone, but if you want them dead badly enough, lack of a gun will not stop you. Gangs don’t need guns to kill people. Getting these people, not the guns, off the streets will solve that problem. The truth is, as long as there is money to be made selling drugs, then criminals will sell drugs. Our government learned nothing from Prohibition.

    If you citizens start turning in gang-bangers, and doing the police officers’ jobs for them, it will make you a target to the rest of his gang (again, see Prohibition). Down this road lies lynch mobs and vigilantism (Prohibition again). If the mayor there has no faith in his police to keep the streets safe, then he needs to clean house by firing the incompetent officers, or resign and let a competent mayor take over.

    If I lived there, I would start a petition to get the mayor booted out of office. This is the exact same method used by the Soviet Union that kept their people in line: have the people police and spy on themselves. Down this path lies vigilantism and lynch mobs, which will lead to martial law. Nobody ever stops to think past Point A anymore. A leads to B leads to C, etc. = simple logic.

    To be honest, the Constitution does not say anything about having to have a permit to carry a firearm. In fact, it says the exact opposite. I am not for drug dealers and gang-bangers carrying guns. I am for the police getting these people off the street when they commit a crime. If you look at the numbers though, a violent offender will get out of jail (on average) much faster than someone serving a sentence for drug possession. I wonder why that is? Maybe because the violent offenders are harder to control?

    We used to be among the bravest people on the planet; now, we run to our government babysitter to make us “safe”. We seem to be changing into a nation of cowards. I am ashamed to see Americans on here actually wanting to emulate the Cold-War Era Soviet citizens.

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
    Ben Franklin

    • David

      Right on Mike. This is the way Saddam stayed in power. Next they’ll get kids to turn in their paraents for cheating on their taxes. Maybe offer Chuck E Cheese coupons. Sounds pretty socialist to me. Have the police do their jobs and if the people of Newark will only do the right thing when it comes to thugs, then they are getting what they ask for. NJ caters to criminals and is against law abiding citizens. I live in Hawaii and our gun laws are overly repressive. We get to keep not bear arms. This is wrong and flies in the face of Amendment #2.

      • David

        Meant to say if the people of Newark will only help the police if they are getting paid , then they are getting what they comply with. Duh sorry, maybe I should run for Mayor of Newark.

  • Big Jim

    Let me see if i got this correct..The Police, who we pay tons of $$$$ for, are not doing their job or are being paid not to do their job,so the only way to take guns off street is by paying someone with the tax payers $$$…..Hummmm me thinks its more trickery by the nobummer crowd…

  • Davis

    Dear Sir, I have Four (4) Guns. Please come get them and bring 4,000 Dollars and try to take them!! “Nuff Said”! Henry in South Carolina! Oh yes, I have a permit for Concealed Carry if that makes a difference. Bring it ON !

  • ranger hall

    NEWARK, NJ As so many cities in our Country have become. Honest American Citizens WHY do we allow our Govt to Demand that WE REGISTER our Weapons, Force Gun Shops to do the work for them, Force us to pay FEES.The Govt now has you on record.ATF spends a lot of tax payers money on Keeping tabs ON YOU. THE Honest Citizen.

    IF you want a good honest Community of Citizens WE need to see that only the Crooks are Punished. The Govt instead of Outlawing guns from Honest Citizens Should..ISSUE FREE FIREARMS TO ITS HONEST CITIZENS.GIVE US THE RIGHT BACK TO DEFEND OUR PERSON AND OUR PROPERTY, AN do this with out US having to face the Courts.

    Our Justice System: WE Have allowed to Spend to much time Protecting the Crooks, And Not the honest citizen trying to protect himself or his Property

    BACK in the GOOD OLD days Citizens Carried Firearms, IT was Our Right,TO Protect Ourselves,To protect our Familys, To protect our Property.
    As time went by WE needed to take off this weight FOR we were Working People. WE hired People to look after our Towns and our Welfare.SO we Hired Peace Officers to Do this job for us.PROTECT OUR LIVES, PROTECT OUR PROPERTY. So we Honest Hard working Citizens Took off our Guns.

    Well as we Know, This has not WORKED. WE have allowed our Towns,our Cities,Our Countys, Our States, AND our Fed Govt. TO be Overrun with Crooked POliticians, And yes Crooked Police. The Police no longer work for the Good of the People BUT for the Welfare Of the Powers to BE. THE HONEST PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY HAVE THE RIGHT and the NEED TO keep their Weapons Without Registration or Fees of any kind.

    Most of you People such as VIC,JOE,Bill,Scott,Rick. And Special Note to Gray Stroke, You know your History Well.A lot of us have been there. WE put our Faith and our Freedoms in the wrong Hands. If you leave rotting fruit in with good, Soon all the fruit will rot.

    AMERICA CAN NEVER BE DEFEATED FROM OUTSIDE, ONLY FROM WITHIN.

  • Awakened Avenger

    You are all partially correct however, the 2nd Amendment wasn’t ratified to create an ideal ‘crime free’ society. The 2nd Amendment was created to control would-be tyrant criminals in government. There is nothing in the Constitution that states that gun owners, the militia-1790; need ‘permits, licenses, CCWs, firearms identification cards-Chicago, purchase permits-NJ, and the rest of that nonsense to exercise a right that is inherent in nature. Stop playing yourselves by supporting your own oppression by bragging about how many ‘permits’ you have. If anything, this should put YOU on notice: once you need ‘permission’ to exercise a right then it is nothing more than a privilege. I’d like to see what this country’s population was made of 120 years ago? They weren’t us that’s certain. Politicians were meek as they knew the outcome of what would’ve happened had they tried to enact such BS legislation. Americans have nearly revolted over lesser issues than this. People! We suck! Oh btw, I was born in Newark, New Jersey.

    • Gil

      The framers keep referring to the militia made up of free men keep and bearing helping government to secure freedom hence that’s what they wanted to keep not Mary-Sue’s right to attend a firing range contest.

      • independent thinker

        “……….. not Mary-Sue’s right to attend a firing range contest.”

        Wrong. The right to attend and participate in a firing range contest was a part of “keep and bear arms”. Their version of the shooting range contests were an integeral part of the marksmanship training and proof of ability to use a firearm properly.

  • Thor

    There is an ironic truth to the old advertisement, “God made men but Sam Colt made them equal.”

    When one takes a holistic view of human history, certain stark contrasts appear that oppose conventional wisdom of the time. For example, in this time of putting equality and human rights on a pedestal nature never intended, nature’s practice stands in harsh contrast: the fact is no two people have ever been ‘created equal’ in any sense of the expression. They are not equally intelligent, they are not equally tall or strong or equally beautiful and, most important of all, no two people are equally learned or capable in the martial arts. It has always been up to men to make sure all in a society receive equal treatment under the law. Therein resides the second caveat: all men do not have equal access to and influence upon the law. The culmination of this inequality, if we were to use an historic era as its highpoint, was the worldwide feudal era in which it took a small fortune to equip each knight with the arms and armor he needed to protect a feudal lord. Only the very wealthy could afford such protection. Then someone invented an iron tube stoked with black powder that could launch a missile fast enough and powerfully enough to penetrate even the thickest armor, a tool that any peasant could afford; and men had to find new ways of depriving the ‘less equal’ of their lives and property.

    Since that time, the world has lived at the very edge of a perpetual feudal state. Only the firearm has prevented the feudal state from re-emerging to Medieval proportions. Peasant armies all over the world fight perpetually against it; and, if you think the caste system many describe as ‘cultural elitism’ these days is intolerable, wait and see what the full-blown version looks like that will emerge when peasants have no access to firearms.

    Karolyn, et al, says no one—“…and I mean nobody” –should have a gun. The result of that state of affairs is not social advancement, as they would hope, but a step back to feudal times. Until we, as a society, first deal with human inequality in a more effective way, I have no intention of giving up the only device I own that puts me on equal footing with those who would deprive me of wealth and do me harm.

    This is perhaps the most diametric distinction between conservatives and liberals: conservatives are traditionalists who hope to build a stronger, better society by solving social problems with practical solutions, one by one; liberals believe society should dispense with tradition entirely and hope something better takes its place in the idyllic vacuum.

    • Joseph

      Or you could throw away you guns, Thor, and put this warning sticker on your front door:

      WARNING! There Are NO GUNS In This House!
      Do Not Enter With Criminal Intent Or
      You Will Be Reported To The Police.

  • ranger hall

    DAVIS, What did it cost YOU for YOUR CCW. Did you have to go to your Govt to Get your Rights. I remember at one time in History WE all had this right. If you commited a crime againest Persons YOU lost this Right……But down the Road The Powers to be Decided that it was safer for them to TAKE this Right from Honest Citizens, WE still had the Right to Carry our Guns in the open, But Soon Most Cities Countys and states decided that this was not Good so they made laws that also took away this Right. Control on guns is effected NOT only in Registration and fees. BUT also in Guns PRODUCTION, AMMO PRODUCTION And Not Lest BUT THE COSTS we have to Pay to buy a decent Gun an Ammo. One way or the Other they will make it HARD.

  • crash

    A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935
    “This year will go down in history.
    For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration!
    Our streets will be safer,
    our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.”

    (We followed his lead alright! — right to his bunker with Eva Brawn)

    • JC

      And after he had everyone registered, he disarmed them…then he murdered 13 million in the camps alone…

  • David169

    If this politician really wanted to make the streets safe he would look at the FBI statistics. Then if he can read he would pass legislation to go beyond “shall issue” and go immediately to “Constitutional Carry” and also pass legislation for a “Castle Doctrine”. Every state that has gone this way has seen at least a 35% drop in violent crime acording to FBI statistics. It seems the criminals don’t like the possibility of being shot will committing a crime and don’t like it when there is a law in place that makes it their fault if the get shot while committing a crime.

    • Gil

      Exactly – unless there’s equivlaent legislation that says you can actually shoot someone in self-defence and not face charges then a gun is window-dressing. Most jurisdictions throughout the world have a “Duty To Retreat” doctrine which is to say you can’t shoot someone unless your safety is definitely in danger otherwise you’ll go to jail. A low-life doesn’t care about going to jail but a middle-class person most certainly does.

      • independent thinker

        “………have a “Duty To Retreat” doctrine……..”

        and most of those that do have that restriction limit how far you have to retreat.

  • http://yahoo scout

    Would you oppose the constitution and sell out a fellow citizen for a louzy thousand bucks. This mayor should be drug out in the streets and #@##$#$%^. Does the constitution mean nothing to these people?

  • Munnster

    Maybe the Mayor and those of his ilk should remember this quote from Ben Franklin – “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”.

    Of course, people of that ilk think Ben Franklin’s quotes are irrelevent because it didn’t occur in the 21st century and it instills freedom and not oppression.

  • Incredulous1

    No such thing as “illegal guns.” A law abiding citizen who owns a gun does NOT own is illegally per the 2nd Amendment. A criminal who possesses a gun and uses it to commit a crime will not live long around law abiding gun owners. Hope “Corey” never has to visit “fly-over country.”

  • jopa

    The Mayor is only after the perps with non registered illegal guns.Guns that have been stolen from registered gun owners and sportsman alike.If any of my guns were stolen I would like to get them back or not have them used to commit a crime.The Mayor is doing a good thing and to see it any other way is crazy talk, or just something to grumble about without any thought.

    • michael

      Not true, wrong.. read what he said. If you have a gun, you are a defacto criminal who should be turned in and have your gun confiscated.

      He will then give your gun to a crip or other gang banger to be part of his private army… just like OHbama said he want to create reporting just to him… no pesky constitution getting in the way

    • Joseph

      If I were to select a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today, I would pick BATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms].

      – U.S. Representative John Dingell, 1980

  • James

    So, asking someone for ID when they are pulled over in an effort to curb illegal immigration is “profiling”, but turning in law abiding gun owners just in CASE you MIGHT find an illegally owned gun, isn’t.. allrighty then..
    “Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.” —Unknown

    • James

      Again, I am not this ‘James’. Every other website that I visit and make comments on, compares my ‘James’ with others already being used and where such name is curently being used, the new visitor is asked to modify his, to avoid duplicity. I would like to see that practice in effect here, please, Mr. Bob Livingston. I am tired of apologizing for the other James’ remarks. Thank you.

  • John Symms

    He’s recruiting an anonymous force of secret police (for $1000 a pop, how many times did he mention that?). I can’t believe that what he’s doing is legal, irrespective of current gun laws. Why do we want leaders who say to the masses, “we will pay you to turn your neighbors over to us.” And why do we trust them over the people who live next door? Has our humanity eroded that much?

  • Bob from SoCal

    They need to take our guns so they can give them to the drug cartels. A law that undermines the constitution is illegal. All of the thugs in government should be tossed out on their ears or thrown behind bars, their choice.

  • Doug

    COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS…It’s so anonymous that even the person SNITCHING will never get their money because of complete anonymity. Sounds like the exact same stuff that Hitler did in Nazi Germany…children turning in parents…neighbor turning in neighbor. What a great way do disunify a neighborhood, state or country…cause mis-trust… This mayor is a Socialist jerk. If the people of Newark are smart, they will impeach this joker and charge him with passing, supporting and encouraging un-constitutional legislation as well as with inciting, the very good possibility, of civil unrest. This is a VERY BAD MAN and an ignorant one at that…..Double dangerous!

  • James

    The right to keep and bear arms is not a Second Amendment right. The right to bear arms is an unalienable right that isn’t dependent on any document for its existence.

    • Robert Smith

      Tell that to Venus de Milo.

      BTW, it IS in a document that begins, “We the PEOPLE.”

      Rob

      • TheOtherJames

        Yes, it IS in the Document, but the Founders clearly stated that the Bill of Rights doesnt GRANT Rights, it merely enumerates EXISTING Rights..

        • Cliffystones

          Thank You O-James!

          Mr.Smith seems to have a problem with those of us who believe in the existence of a supreme being. “We The People” are his God.

      • James

        Robert, “We the People of the United States…etc.” is the Peramble to the U.S. Constitution, which mentioned nothing about rights. The Founders thought that would be sufficient to prevent the National Government from meddling with out rights. However, it was later decided to add the Bill of Rights to assure that that woldn’t happen. The Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads, in part: THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrice clauses should be added.” Hence the Bill of Rights (1891).

        • James

          “restrice” should have been ‘restrictive’.

      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        January 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm
        Tell that to Venus de Milo.

        BTW, it IS in a document that begins, “We the PEOPLE.”
        ______________________________________________________________

        The document came a long time AFTER the right to aremed self defense existed. The document merely enshrines the right. It does not grant it.

        • James

          JC, I agree with your first sentence, but neither the U.S. Constitution nor the Bill of Rights ‘enshrines’ the right to bear arms. If both were repealed, the right to bear arms would still exist. The Constitution doesn’t mention rights and the Second Amendment simply says “The right to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” It’s a command to Congress to refrain from infringing on the right.

  • Norbert Ginsel

    A point overlooked is that ALL such firearms are subject to confiscation during the investigation of the firearms’ status. Firearms that are confirmed “illegal” will, of course, NOT be returned. Firearms that are not so confirmed “illegal” will remain under investigation, and will remain confiscated until such time as the workload of the NPD makes time to process those returns. That will occur some time after Newark’s finest finishes investigating why Hell froze over.

    Disarmament accomplished. You want your gun back? Sue us. BTW: Sorry if your gun disappeared from our property room. Are you sure we ever had it?
    Sue us, you fool. We can outlast you…… and on your dime, silly taxpayer.

  • Lynn

    Gee, sounds more and more like Hitler and his activities doesn’t it or do they even bother to teach what happened during WWII.

  • Joseph

    Gun control: The emasculation of the American male, by the Spiritual-Governmental-Transvestites!

  • Joseph

    Licensing. This is the process through which a government body determines an individual’s fitness to own firearms. It essentially states that firearms ownership is illegal unless you are granted an exemption from that law by means of a license.

    Registration. This ties a firearm to its owner by means of a registration certificate. The certificate contains information regarding the type of firearm (make, model, serial number, etc) and that certificate is linked to a specific firearms license holder.

    They seem innocent enough on the surface, but these two puppies have been the cause of much death and destruction throughout history.

    Put simply, every major genocide of the twentieth century was preceded by civilian disarmament – Ottoman Turkey, USSR, China, Rwanda, Guatemala, Uganda, Germany. These confiscation schemes were all aided through systems of licensing and registration. It’s common sense really – you can’t take a gun away from a person if you don’t first know that they have it.

    In some cases, Hitler and Mao for example, the introduction of the gun control laws was very methodical and a strategic part of their plans. In other cases, Rwanda and Guatemala, the existing laws were a simple and convenient means to a horrific end.

    The bottom line is that the intentions of the people who enact these laws are irrelevant. What’s important is the potential for abuse and misuse of these laws in the future. Simply put, if the potential for misuse exists, it’s a bad law.

    • Gil

      Really? The Jews (and other “undesirables”) were forbidden from owning guns but adult German population could own guns (check out the 1938 act). Since they didn’t use their arms to rise up against the Nazis then that means the people were a-okay with them.

      • Joseph

        Hmm, so tell me Gil; Who, in present-day America, does our dictatorial-government view as, as you put it, “undesirables?” Here’s a hint: It’s not the “low-life!”

        • Gil

          The German masses weren’t disarmed yet the Holocaust happened anyway. Or in WW2 both Germany and Russia had guns yet both also killled tens of millions so guns weren’t a deterrent nor saved lives there.

          • JC

            Absolute garbage. Hitler disarmed everyone that have one of his special permits. And you only got one if you were a proven Nazi.

          • JC

            should read: “didn’t” have…

          • Gil

            You wish. Actualy read the gun control laws of the day and it’s clear the German populace could own guns yet didn’t choose to rise up agaist Hitler. The only reason is they didn’t want to.

          • JC

            I Wish? What kind of twisted crap is that?
            Sorry Gil, you’re just not firing on all 8.
            Hitler’s regime of thuggery had people frightened enough to comply.
            And that’s exactly the same tactic coming from the idiotic Liberal agenda.
            As Americans, we’re not going to put up with you.

          • Gil

            So people can own guns yet get intimidated easily so nothing happens? Oh well there’s goes the Second American Revolution.

          • JC

            Gil, I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and I don’t think you do either…

          • Gil

            No. You don’t. By your reasoning there’s already enough guns to take over the goons in government yet nothing happens. Aw too bad.

          • JC

            And just WTF is your point moron?
            What are you trying so ineptly to say?

          • independent thinker

            Gil you need to read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” to see just how wrong you are about Nazi
            Germany.

          • Gil

            Puh-lease! It’s akin to the argument “what sort of army would six million Jews have been if they had have fought back?” That fact is they didn’t. They probably started to realised they were supposed to fight back when the door to the gas chamber closed behind them. Oops! Too little, too late. People like you suppose the 2nd Amendment was about people owning guns to overthrow the Federal Government when they overstep their boundaries. You can cite numerous examples of how America is becoming the U.S.S.A. but do you & co. form an army to fight back before it’s too little, too late? Nope. It’s business as usual until it’s you who’s dragged to a gulag.

  • RightGunner

    I heard the Mayor in the video only once modify the word guns with illegal, but saw nothing in the following text that emphasized illegal guns. But so what, how will anyone, when they peek in their neighbors window, know if they are seeing an illegal gun. After the police drag off your neighbor and then release him because his gun is legal, you won’t be sorry, you’ll be mad because you didn’t get the $1,000.

    I know Newark, I graduated from Newark College of Engineering before it got high class and changed its name. The once great city of the 1800′s and early 1900′s has degraded until it has become a competitor to Wash, D.C. as a pit of hopelessness, lawlessness and corruption. When my grandmother and mother lived in Newark it had lovely suburban, homes of law abiding residents. But like may large cities it went downhill, even before I went to college there, and got much worse as time progressed.

    Today we have Black and Hispanic organizations trying to fight laws requiring a residence-proving picture ID to vote, because they claim it will intimidate minorities from voting. Well a $1,000 incentive to turn in your neighbor who has a gun, will intimidate a local family who wishes to protect themselves and their children from drug dealers, prostitutes and the large criminal element that calls Newark home. Think about what your Mayor is doing.

    Your Mayor, is admitting that he is incapable of maintaining law and order without such dictatorial, Stalin-like citizen spying paid for directly by the Government. This results in intimidation of all who wish to exercise their American right to self protection, and is an eventual path to full dictatorship. Shame on you all.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest rhonda

    Time for the mayor turn in his resignation. The NJ people do not need this mayor. Sounds like he is another one of those radical liberals. The American people have no time for this kind of rubbish.

  • volts1776

    Criminals exist for one reason, to keep police, and lawyers in business. They are no different from the brown shirts Hitler put on the streets to instill fear among the people, so they would run to the government asking for protection. Crime exists in almost every level of government, how else do you think criminals like Al Capone were able to buy off police officer’s Aldermen and even Mayor’s. As long as there is money in it they will be protected! We have a Chicago gangster running this country right now,(study his ideology and roots) History continues to repeat as long as there are people who are ignorant of it !!! It is an ongoing battle to weed out corrupt politicians that play both ends against the middle and keep us divided. “Trust No One Who Supports Or Enforces Unconstitutional Law, For They Are Enemies Of A Free People” K.S.1999 STAY VIGILANT AND KEEP INVOLVED OR LIBERTY IS LOST !!!

  • volts1776

    GRAYSTROKE, You are a great historian, keep teaching history, so the ignorant don’t have to relive It ! God Bless

  • volts1776

    It is IRONIC that we have to pass legislation and enact laws for a right that already exists. It is all about registration and knowing where firearms and the people who own them are! So when the SLEEPING GIANT AWAKENS (the American People) to what is being done, it will be easier for them to disarm and arrest, just as Hitler did. Google the”Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177, Second Late Edition, Section 256″ in the law books.

    • Gil

      Hitler allows most people to own guns – check out the 1938 Gun Control act. Most Americans are probably live under harsher gun control laws.

  • http://Boblivingstonletter Gottaplenty

    Ah say there , any of you air heads want to break and enter my home or violate any of my freinds 0r family in my home or property just to check my ( DUTY TO RETREAT)? I am too old to run and am a pretty good shot yet. Send your stupid mayor too if you like and see if a title is bulletproof.

  • alexa

    How do you collect the $1000 when you call in anonymously?

  • austin

    All I have to say is why is it so hard to own a firearm legally you just buy it register it and wow its legal if you wish to carry it spend just a little more money and go through a background check and wow yet again its legal. Now if you have to skip any of these steps your eather stupid or a convicted felon and if you are a convicted felon you gave up your rights to own a firearm. So what is the big deal getting illegal firearms off the street. I just think its stupid everyone saying this is a bad thing because the people that own firearms legally still can protect themselves from the people that own them illegally and yet with this mayors plan there will be less felons and criminals illegally owning firearms. His plan is a good one because money right now is the best bargining chip and will get felons to snitch and turn in other felons just to get an extra buck.
    SO whats the big deal this is not going agenst the 2nd amendment this is just furthing the play to protect people.

    • USN ret

      Austin. In answer to your question on regestration an it’s legal, look to the ausies. Their guns were regestered and a new president came in and ALL types of guns were confiscated,even from the people in the outback and distroyed.Old expensive collectables or cheap rifles were fodder for the crusher.There was no payment for the confiscated guns. I have a 45 year old shotgun appraised for $3000. It would be a sin to destroy this gun. Don’t beleave that the ausie guns were destroyed, just do an internet search and see the pictures.

  • Jason

    What if I per chance happened to see some seedy looking individual burrying guns in newark? (Which could be the truth if I had a mirror while I was burying some cheap rusty scrapers. Do I still get the dough? If so ROAD TRIP!

    Anyways the people supprting this are complete morons. Ever see death wish three where the nice jewish gentleman gets his .38 stolen by dirty cops and then the same night he gets robed by the scumbag who reported him? Oh the government may not get a conviction on a legal gun owner but if they deprive him of his legally owned guns for a week or even a day the crackhead who reported him has that long to rob, kill, and or rape him and his family. I can see a crackhead reporting a little old lady who legally owns her guns so he can get access to her prescription drugs and make a sweet grand in the process. Or if a scumbag wants to rape someone but knows she has a gun…well thank you antigun biggot scumbags for makeing his dream a reality. If I lived in newark I’d have some legal guns stashed in the floorboards or something in case something like that happened. then if some crackhead decided to use the popo to temporarly deprive me of my legally owned firearms so he could rob me it would be the last $1000 that scumbag ever made.

    If you live in newark hide some of your legal gun. If a crackhead reports you then after the cops take the ones they can find to verify they are legal used the ones you stashed to blow said crackheads head clean off when he drops by for a visit.

    Antigun biggots are idiots. nuff said.

  • Jason

    Pround member of the National Rifle Assosiateion, Gun Owners of America, and the Iowa Firearms Coalition.

    BTW
    What I was saying for those of you with an IQ lower then 70 aka the anti-gun biggots is that if someone wants to rob you but knows you have guns they will report you. You may own them legally but the police will still take them. You may get them back but if your dead or your wife or daughter was raped by the scumbag who reported your guns well…you can thank your friendly neighborhood liberal!

    This is what liberals are good for. Makeing things more dangerous for everyone when they try to help because they don’t think about the conquenes of their actions. They don’t even slow down when the statistic prove they are increasing the crime rate and that the gun crime/ violent crime rate dramatically increased because of them. Look at Ausralia and England. The GUN CRIME went up after they banned guns. Not just crime went up but (GUN) crime rose as well. In england guns where confiscated and destroyed. Gun crime and violent crime skyrocketed. Antigun biggotry is lame. Liberal other then pro gun libs are gay.

  • jopa

    Jason: You failed to display an IQ above 70 with your post.If someone called the police about your registered firearms the police could look it up in a few seconds whether there was a need to come over to your house or not.I don’t know why your attacking liberals as if they don’t own guns.Then there is my situation where I would be in trouble if my neighbors called the cops on my guns because I come from an era where you just walked in a store bought a gun and lucky if I got a receipt much less a permit.I have several guns nothing registered.

  • vicki

    Let us for a moment address one of the most common reasons given for “gun control” We are told that people have a right to “feel” safe thus we must get guns off the street.

    So for those of us who feel safe with lots of law abiding people awning and carrying guns, where are the laws protecting OUR right to feel safe?

    For those of us who feel safe carrying our guns, were are the laws protecting OUR right to feel safe?

    If you say you have the right to feel safe by not having people with guns all around you please explain how forcing us (at gunpoint of all things) to not feel safe is protecting OUR rights?

    If you have such little regard for our feelings why do you expect us to have any regard for your feelings?

  • My right to bear arms

    Eddie wake up!!!!Why doesn’t the mayor use that $1000 for putting more police out in the job and more jail space for the criminals instead of wasting it.You come and try to take my gun and I can tell you that if you do you may not make it back to where you live.It kills me to here take away the guns when it is not the gun but the criminal that uses it.
    Another wake up call for you Eddie.People were killing people thousands of years before guns were thought of.Get 100% of the guns from everybody including criminals then what will people complain about? We need knife control? Where will it end? Anything is a weapon if you stop to think.A lamp cord,paper weight,and all things.WAKE UP EDDIE!!!!!

  • Jason

    Joppa Guns are not required by law to be registered! If I legally bought a firearm 5 years ago and lost the paperwork now I have to call the gunstore I bought it from. If I bought something private sale then I can kiss it goodby if I live in a state like Illinois that is run by liberal retards. Yes i’m sure alot of liberals own guns, most just don’t like anyone else owning them. Like that pig rosie who thinks she’s better then you and me.

    Your hypocritical to insult my intellect. You even admitt you would be screwed if some liberal scumbag called the popo on your legal guns. In reality even if you have papperwork you may not ever see your guns again unless you have money for a lawyer. If your living in a craphole like newark then I doubt you have the money for a lawyer. I used to live in Illinois, I know what i’m talking about.

  • James

    The National Rifleman Association (NRA) always refers to our right to bear arms as a Second Amendment or constitutional right. That’s our main problem, they are wrong. The NRA has sat in on congressional committees that formulate firearms laws, since the Civil War. By so doing they have agreed to whatever firearm restrictions Congress passes – like the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968.
    Our right to bear arms is NOT a constitutional or Second Amendment right, our rights are unalienable God given rights.

  • http://comcast.net larry pearson

    tell the newark mayor i have several “guns”.send me the thousand dollars. i am reporting them! that mayor is off the rocker. i bet every crook is smiling. knowing he is their best ally!

  • jfbtx

    Time for the Governor NJ to step in and replace the mayor for violation of citizens rights under both the US and NJ law

  • rick55

    Although presently done on a large scale by governments, it is illegal for them to keep a log of legal gun owners and their firearms or to violate the Fourth and Second Amendments.

    Such a city policy will set law enforcement in motion, and the gun owner may be arrested and/or his/her house/car(s) searched and his/her guns confiscated and logged by the local police then the information likely shared with state and federal agencies.

    In the process of that search, any other item found that might be somehow illegal or incriminating is fair game (a firecracker; jack knife that happens to be 1/4 inch too long; a gun barrel that happens to be 1/4 inch too short; a homemade knife; a homemade fish knocker; wires; batteries; timer; any of the hundreds of chemicals that could conceivable be used to formulate an explosive or a combustion accelerant and are likely present in any home like sundry oxidizers including fertilizers, glycerin, sundry acids, iodine, sundry gases including propane and oxygen, confectioners’ sugar, flour, corn starch, brake fluid, etc., etc.; and lest I forget, political literature or personal documents that can be used to defame or vilify the accused through a complicit and eager media with no chance of a subsequent retraction, elucidation, or apology should the individual be vindicated. When the media, in broad generalizations, reports the discovery of “bomb making materials,” should not everyone ponder what the unreported devilish details are?

    The accused will then have to spend a fortune, possibly a life’s savings, perhaps losing their house, to defend themselves. Then if found not guilty, the vindicated may have to spend much more to get their firearms — and cash and other valuables if confiscated — returned. Trying to get the records of his/her guns expunged from government records would be an exercise in futility despite the fact it is illegal for the governments to keep such information — so would it be impossible to get the media to report your innocence perhaps partially redeeming a reputation after they destroyed it with accusations.

    Those that are poor or the downtrodden may have to use a public defender for whom there is little funding and who is overloaded with cases and/or might have never handled a criminal case. Sad but true, we get as much justice as we can afford.

    Not inconsequential, such a city policy would cost the taxpayers a great deal of money.

    Then with selective reporting, the local government will likely trump the program as a huge success through its complicit liberal media. Perhaps local governments can then have another excuse to procure more military weaponry and vehicles, cameras with facial recognition technology to watch us, body scanners to look beneath our clothing as we walk down the street, spy drones to spy on us, etc., to further deal with the “problem” — often graciously funded by the federal government with your tax dollars or dollars borrowed from a communist country that practically owns us already. Perhaps during those unlawful and unconstitutional detainments (arrests) at illegal and unconstitutional road blocks to confirm our sobriety, while checking our papers (reminiscent of the Brown Coats) law-enforcement might add unreasonable and un-warranted vehicle and person searches for guns. If you think it’s not possible and probably does not already occur, then for your own good, please have Scotty beam you back from that parrellel universe.

    Right now, there are so many laws that it is impossible for even lawyers to know a tiny portion of them let alone the layperson to comply with them all. (I recently heard an attorney quip on TV that if the people lock themselves in their houses and never emerge, they might be safe from the law.) In addition, the laws are written in legalese and so often refer to other laws that should the layperson somehow read them all in one lifetime, he/she would not understand them. As such, I suggest mens rea (innocent because “no intent” – unaware of the law) should be the rule not the exception and that Ignorantia juris non excusat (“ignorance is no excuse for the law”) should be the exception and not the rule. (Rather, is it not wise, for those armed with this knowledge and with a healthy acquired skepticism, to question our lawmakers’ intent for giving us so many such laws?) If some think the law can find nothing to use against them then they are extraordinarily naive with a blind, potentially fatal, trust of power.

    Using the promise of a little more security, policies like Newark’s facilitate the march to no Rights and no privacy with resultant total control of We The People — a road we have perhaps already traveled to the point of no return. All these things are inextricably linked if you hadn’t noticed.

    And to the gun grabbers/Second Amendment haters who revel in picking and choosing which Rights others should have, I harken back the adage, “Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.”

  • rick55

    PS Maybe you can use such a program to crucify someone you don’t like. Imagine how wonderful America will be when everyone, with impunity and motivated by a possible monetary windfall, “reports” everyone else to the government possibly doing each other great harm.

    Get the picture suckers?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sassafras.Photos Susan McCarter Kennedy

    This Mayor Booker is just another Obama minion – falling in line behind Gov. Christie. He’ll find out just as quickly as Christie that he’s being used and discarded as soon as the “job” is done. Then Booker will be just as unarmed and powerless as all the citizens he helped put in harm’s way. Hmmmm….. neighbors snitching on neighbors to a GOVERNMENT … where have I heard that before?

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