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New Mexico Sheriffs Standing Tall

December 22, 2011 by  

New Mexico Sheriffs Standing Tall

Gun Owners of America member Dr. Ray Seidel alerted me to the stirring of freedom that is taking place in his village of Ruidoso, N.M. I have already reported on the first battle with Mayor Ray Alborn and how he tried to impose an unConstitutional gun ban in the village.

I recently interviewed Seidel on my Gun Owners News Hour weekly radio program and asked him about several acts of local interposition in the surrounding counties — all of which underscore the importance of the office of the sheriff and the militia.

For example, near Deming, N.M., is the Gila National Forest. The U.S. Forest Service wanted to make almost all of it off limits for people — until the militia of Luna County intervened. The militia told the Feds that it would resist any effort by the Forest Service to restrict access to visitors. The result? Visitors have continued to access all of the Gila National Forest.

In the Southeast corner of the State, many landowners have working oil wells on their property. The Environmental Protection Agency told the oil operators they would have to stop operating their wells because there was too much risk of harming the environment. At a town hall meeting convened by the EPA, a woman in her 60s rose to address the Feds. She pointed out that her land had been in her family for more than 200 years, and she was not about to let some official from an unConstitutional bureaucracy tell her what she could or could not do with her land.

The woman ended by warning the Feds that her family has many guns and a huge supply of ammunition and they would use all of it, if needed, to keep the EPA off of their land. The locals who had packed out the hearing room jumped to their feet with a shout and prolonged applause. That was in August. So far, oil is still being pumped at full tilt.

In Otero County, villages in the mountains are surrounded by forests. The county commission voted to establish an 80,000-acre plan to manage forest overgrowth. Residents wanted to cut fire breaks to protect their homes in Cloudcroft, but the Forest Service said, “No.” The residents responded that they had to for safety’s sake and were going to construct the fire break in spite of the Forest Service. Residents were told that if they cut down any trees, they would be arrested. But Sheriff Benny House told the Forest Service that if they made any arrests, they would be arrested for false arrest.

Not only were the trees cut down with no opposition from the Feds, but the first tree was cut down by Representative Steve Pearce (R-N.M.). I wish there were many more people like Pearce. The folks in New Mexico’s Second District are blessed with a Constitution-supporting congressman and a number of Constitutional sheriffs backed by the militias of their counties. This is the way that local governments can push back and help the Feds live within the limitations that have been placed upon them in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

As you can see, there’s a lot happening in New Mexico. Seidel has been at the center of a lot of it. Two weeks after the people of Ruidoso prevailed in the gun ban debate, the mayor decided to seek revenge. He went to the State capital of Santa Fe and met with Federal officials there. That same week, Seidel got a notice from the Internal Revenue Service stating that he had until a certain date to file his taxes, which he has refused to do for several years.

Seidel makes no secret of his refusal to submit to the IRS, which he considers part of an unConstitutional regime in Washington. The IRS intended to encumber his assets if he did not bend his knee. Seidel visited the county sheriff, who understood what Seidel was trying to do and told him he would have his back. The same was true for the village police chief, the same officer who refused to have his men arrest people who were defying the Ruidoso gun ban by carrying openly in the village council chambers.

Not only were the sheriff and police chief alerted to the possibility of IRS action against Seidel, but so was the militia in Lincoln County — more than 200 men who keep their rifles and battle bags in their vehicles 24/7. They can muster in about 30 minutes at any place in the county.

Seidel visited with the village assessor, who would be the official to place the encumbrances on his assets. Seidel explained (as he does with everyone) that Title 42, Chapter 1, Subchapter 1, Section 1983 of the Federal code would be used to sue her personally for violating his civil rights. That is, he would sue her if any of his assets were encumbered without having first secured a warrant from an Article III court.

Seidel has frequently argued that he will gladly submit to a Federal court (authorized under Article III of the U.S. Constitution) as opposed to a mere tax court (which is an unConstitutional creature within the IRS). As with many administrative agencies, the combining of legislative, executive and judicial powers within the same four walls constitutes the very definition of tyranny, which James Madison warned us about in Federalist 47.

Seidel has used Title 42 on other occasions. One involved a state trooper with an anger-management problem who falsely arrested Seidel’s son. Since being served with a Title 42 suit, the officer has been able to control his anger.

The deadline is long past and the IRS has done nothing, so the assessor is off the hook for now. But New Mexico is becoming a textbook example of how the Founding Fathers envisioned the States would rein in an out-of-control government.

As stated by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 28: “It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system that the State governments will, in all possible contingencies, afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority.”

If there were more sheriffs like those in New Mexico serving around the country, we would be well on the way to safeguarding our liberties against Washington’s “invasions of the public liberty.” It also might occur to the Congress that more examples of sheriffs interposing themselves might result in shrinking down the Federal government to do little more than just funding the national defense.

–Larry Pratt

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  • Vicki

    That is indeed good news. It also shows that much of the Federal beuracracy is / are bullies. Bullies depend on their victims bowing to the bully. When you smack them they back off.

    • James Andrews

      I agree Vic….great story!

    • cawmun cents

      I for one think it’s refreshing to see that DC cannot lay claim to keeping everyones testicles in a jar on the mantle.
      KALIFOHNIA may let them eviscerate them,and publically humiliate them,in the name of following suit,in lock step with the marching tree huggers union.But that doesnt mean that all states and local officials have to keep their heads firmly planted in the progressive collectives backside.
      Yay to the individuals rights to tread on U.S.soil,and not the gubments right to keep you off’n it.-CC.

      • Kate8

        This is great. It’s exactly what I’ve been harping about all along: we must refuse to comply with this out-of-control, illegitimate government, making clear that they DO NOT have our consent.

        Speaking of California…I saw a video of a town meeting up north…Amador county, I think…where law enforcement and the local government has awakened to the intrusion of the feds, and are refusing to comply with the land grabs. It was so refreshing to see such determination among those who wield some force actually standing up for the citizenry, and pledging to follow the Constitution against this stampede of tyranny.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Hear Hear kate8!___This IS Great news!__NOW lets spread this article far and wide, so that other states and communities know they are not alone!

          • Old Henry

            I have done so Angel!

        • Bruce

          Kate8, I don’t know about “Amador”, but can tell you that the town of Yreka, northern CA, in Siskiyou County, recently had a large gathering about the closing of the river(s) / taking over individuals property rights. The liberty of the individual landowners is supported by the local sheriff, and numerous other counties in both northern CA and southern OR (this geographical area also known as State of Jefferson) and their militia. “Power to the people!”

          • Leonard

            I live in AMADOR and yes it’s true. We also got word at our TEA Party meeting about the water issue in SISKIYOU county. We support you!

    • eddie47d

      It would be interesting to hear from the other side of the story. Although everything said in this article is relevant it comes across like a lynch mob in gloating about militias taking over and Seidel not paying any taxes. Government overreach can be a cancer yet all involved in this Sheriff’s department give me pause in support.

      • rhcrest

        Well i for one give full support! It’s about time someone stood up to these bullies. And this is exactly how it should be done. We cannot rely on the corrupt courts and the communist judges twisting our laws to suit their agenda. We have no other recourse but to use the threat of physical force and i have been saying this for a long time. What ails us cannot be solved through the courts and the ballot box. There are too many stupid people voting in communists masquerading as Democrats. It will eventuallycome to a real life version of the movie Red Dawn except the enemy will look and speak like Americans instead of Russian or Cuban but they will truly be the enemy within. I don’t see how any other outcome is possible. There can be no compromise between what defenders of Liberty believe in and what communists believe in. We are as different as night and day. Just as there could be no compromise between the Allies vs. the Nazis, The Colonies vs King George, The North and South in the Civil War, East and West Germany, North and South Korean and so on. One side or the other will have to prevail and the other side is going to have to surrender or die. We cannot keep going the way we have with the two sides always trying to steer the same car. It doesn’t work and it’s not what the FF envisioned. They never meant for their to be 2 political parties always fighting for their vision of this country to prevail. Gov’t was just supposed to be very limited and basically just provide national defense and everyone was just supposed to go about their lives. It was never meant to be this bohemeth it has become.

        • rhcrest

          And as another poster said so well down below, “our gov’t has been hijacked by the criminally insane”. And THAT is exactly why this will eventually come down to a physical fight – The Second Civil War. The communists have infiltrated our gov’t and instead of descending on us via paratrooperswith guns blazing like in the movei Red Dawn, they have taken over our schools, our gov’t, our institutions etc and they have brainwashed millions of people into thinking like them and so instead of us fighting Russians we are fighting fellow Americans and we are supposed to be “tolerant’ of their views. In American, Communists are free to roam our streets and go on talk shows and even get voted into office and destroy our country silently and stealthily instead of being shot. Millions of Americans are infected with the disease called Marxism and once they are infected it’s like a cult – it’s very difficult to get them to snap out of it. So what do we do?

          • Ken

            The solution is simple to say, but hard to carry out. First, McCarthy was right about Hollywood! Vote with your feet and cut off their funding. The next thing to do,if possible, is move away from liberal areas. You’ll get no support there. Move to a conservative small town/suburban area with like minded people around you and organize the way those people did. We must also support local food growers and resist the FDA. Get them out of our food supply. By supporting local farmers, you’re choking corporate farms, giant food corporations and the FDA. There’s more, this is just a start. Let’s keep it rolling.

          • Ken

            Oh, and never, I repeat, never let them get your guns. We have the second amendment for just this reason.

          • Mario Gingras

            First of all these so called fellow americans are trators.And know they are no longer hiding they are out in the open and don’t care if you know what they are up to.WE NEED TO INGAGE IN AN INFO WAR AND OPEN ALL THE SLEEPY EYES OUT THERE.wE NEED TO NGET OUR MILITARY TO CHOOSE WHO’S SIDE THEY ARE ON.lOOK AT nEW Orleans they declared martial law and the military and national guard are going in at gun point and taking there guns.Most of them don’t even know why they are doing it lets wake them up.

        • Judy

          AMEN to that!!

          • Judy

            My AMEN was to RHCrest’s comment!

        • LTC_Ray_Burke

          Your commentary is essentially correct. The government has become the enemy rather than the protector of the People’s rights. The right of the People to protect themselves from tyranny no matter the source, shall not be infringed. A well armed populace is a powerful adversary.

          • JC

            Amen that LTC.
            Go New Mexico !

        • http://strike John E. Roulanaitis, Sr.

          The viewing of all comments, which all are well taken . The first step, in my opinion, is to use the ballot box as a must in being the first line of defense. Secondly, a well regulated militia, under control of every county sheriff, is almost impossible in the present stage of an out of control Federal Government. Granted, the situation currently demands some degree of response from the people. However, how and when can a militia be governed by undecided “elected” individuals, which are standing on the fence in determining which side is the greenest.

          The local, city, town and village policing authorities, have demonstrated their allegiance of loyality, see world news reports and/or publications, to the system of big government rather than that of the people. When push comes to shove. Where will the majority of this nations military and law enforcement stand? It is very doubtful, that a county by county rag tag militia would tand any chance at all of being successful.

          I live in a state, which has 102 Counties, that have been unable to reach one issue of common agreement for decdades. Now I ask you, how is there going to be a militia properly trained, controlled and being successful in reaching a goal in defeating tyranny ? How can such issues of tyranny be defeated by the people, when the Nation’s Congress turns a blind eye to facts of such actions ? Politics are politics and politicians are “life long” dedicated parasites of corruption in government. Once again, in my humbled opinion, the first step is in the power of the ballot box in voting term limits not to excede two consecutive two year terms of office. Having the terms of election to be on the last year and first year of the sitting President’s last of the first year and first of the second year. The “””GOOD OLE BOY Click”” issue would be nearly impossible to exist.

        • Kerry

          @rhcrest — you are awesome!!!! I wish I knew who you were — I would buy you a beer…..or a coke-cola or whatever your heart desired….we need to clone you 1,000-fold.

      • JohnnyinthePedros


        You sound like a Tory.

        • perot-wise

          Yes he does!

      • daniel

        eddie I think a large part of the story has not to do with Seidel not paying the income taxes (That is something a great many people myself included question both validity and fairness). It was also about the Second Amendment and the likelihood that there would be armed resistance against an overreaching federal government.
        Can you imagine the headlines should the EPA decide to shutdown the oil wells during a shoot out? Or how about Forest Service shoots homeowners over firebreaks? It would have made a public relations nightmare for this administration. On a personal note I think that we need more of this kind of disobedience. It might end up forcing some common sense into the business of governing. As it stands now as exampled by attitude there is a mindset of superiority and not equality that permeates the fed. I doubt that the fed will just let these incidents lay. They can’t allow this to grow.
        By the way unless I made myself clear I support fully these actions. Replace the income tax with a sales tax where everyone pays including the 48% and I will support that too.

        • Artie

          daniel said By the way unless I made myself clear I support fully these actions. Replace the income tax with a sales tax where everyone pays including the 48% and I will support that too. WHAT?? People are so confused! Lets get back to the basics we all stand behind this document but so few have actually read it “Constitution for the united States of America” (1787) adopted circa 1791. This document says nothing about a Democracy it does however say that we the people do have the right to do what NEW MEXICO has stood tall and made me proud to be an American. They have a right under the “Constitution for the united States of America” (1787) adopted circa 1791. We are a Republic always have been! An American and a UNITED STATES CITIZEN are two entirely different Beings One is real and one is FICTION We need to separate the two before we can understand what has happened to America and our Constitution. Every city every town every county every state needs to stand up tall while we still have States County’s And City’s to fight for. And it appears to me that the good people of New Mexico Have read the powerful document and understand it. Power is with the People. PAY TAXES WHAT your tax dollars don’t go to pay for any thing you need in your Community if it did most people would not be hurting What Pay Taxes So We can go POLICE The WORLD so we can create more WAR for the BANKSTERS! READ THE DOCUMENT PEOPLE and when you are done reading it Read it again again Until you understand it. Taxes are suppose to come from All of this junk we are being slammed with from CHINA and other country’s. Not from we the people. READ THE DOCUMENT PEOPLE!!!
          We all hide behind it yet no one will stand up to The DEFACTO’S because they might come and get me WOW WOW WOW! Wake Up America
          Thank you for your time No DEMOCRACY HERE

          • Donahue

            Artie, You got it Dude- People Read the CONSTITUTION. There is a National Movement underway now across America consisting of those who want to re-establish our REPUBLIC government by “We the People” not the “Bankers’ Our present system of Government is a CORPORATION. Look at your driver’s license- All CAPITOL LETTERS… Look at your Social Security card all CAPITOL LETTERS. The movement is a “peaceful one” we just want our De Jure Government back not the De Facto one we have!

            Our Nation is following in the “footsteps” of the Roman Empire 1. Too many taxes and 2. Policing too much of the world. Rome expanded too much and overtaxed the people- History repeats itself!
            Think people Think- “get outside the Mental box”

      • Kate8

        Other side of the story, eddie?

        In case you haven’t noticed, the “other side” of the story (the “official” government lie) is ALL we get from the MSM, if we hear anything at all. After all, they can’t have us hearing how people are defying the “Law” and defending their Constitutional rights and everything they’ve worked for all of their lives. It just might catch on.

        But you just go ahead and keep on siding with the enemies of freedom. We’re all used to that, so anything else would make everyone suspicious.

        BTW, Merry Christmas.

        • eddie47d

          Believe it or not Kate and Mike there is another side to the story so don’t drift off to sleep yet. Yesterday anti-tax “champion” Douglas Bruce in Colorado was found guilty of fraud and avoiding taxes. Douglas has even run for public office and says the same things I hear on this site. For better or worse he is a constent cog in the wheel always jamming things up in Colorado. He once had alot of supporters but few follow him anymore because of his extremism’s. It’s one things to want fair taxes or even lower taxes but he didn’t want to pay any. You know,make the other guy pay. Well we are all the other guy! You have the Freemasons(militia) in Montana doing the same thing and refusing to pay any taxes. They also have mucho guns to prove that they won’t succumb to “government tyranny” (pay any taxes) as they say. How about the Sovereign Nations who refuse to pay taxes and killed those two police officers in Memphis over a traffic stop. They figured any one who works for the government deserves to be shot.There is way too much insanity on the right to fall for this entire story in the article. So I have no intentions to “emulate them” as Mike says.

          • bigmikey

            That is the thinking of the brainwashed masses. We are supposed to be free from direct taxes. The 16th amendment (which is what is professed as the act that allows for personal income taxes)changed nothing. The IRS has conned everyone into thinking so. It is unconstitutional. In states of the union the constitution affords the federal government very limited jurisdiction. Our labor is our god given right and the federal government has no right taxing it. The personal income tax is a fraud and hopefully one that will soon be exposed!

          • Kate8

            Well said, bigmikey. And as for you, eddie, I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to pay taxes. It is our money that is being used to finance the tyranny and horrors taking place in America and around the world.

            Why would we want to finance our own slavery and demise, even if some of us somehow justify the slaughter of other people in their own countries?

            I would very much admire anyone with the guts to defy the money-grabbing feds, aside from the fact that such taxation is a violation of our humanity. When it is being used for things that we abhor, and yet those things are being done in our name, it is right and just to refuse to pay up.

            I can’t believe that you still believe that government is our benevolent BigBro, and has our best interests. That speaks volumes, eddie, about your mentality.

          • Old Henry


            Was Mr. Bruce convicted in an Article III court, or an unconstitutional IRS tax court?

          • eddie47d

            I thought you would defend those cop killers in all your self righteous honor Kate. Yes the real you comes out each and every time. Heck I don’t always support the police in some of their actions but killing one over taxes makes you the one sleeping with the devil.

        • JeffH

          LMAO – “Believe it or not Kate and Mike there is another side to the story so don’t drift off to sleep yet. Yesterday anti-tax “champion” Douglas Bruce in Colorado was found guilty of fraud and avoiding taxes.”

          It’s called ADD…I guess the other side of the story is about Colorado because it borders NM? Hmmm, where have we seen this before? I know!

          • eddie47d

            Your as dense as Mt Rushmore Jeff. No surprise there!

          • JeffH

            Sure Polly…and Mt. Rushmore is also a monument, as dense as it may be…thanks, though, for the unintended compliment.
            Your’s is foevah!

          • DaveH

            Seek help, you useless troll (Eddie of course).

          • eddie47d

            …and the other National Sovereign member Dave H starts crowing. Caw Caw Caw. Cheaters of liberty all and willing to kill for the privilege too!

        • Vietvet

          Don’t waste your time worrying about what eddie has to say. He is the kind of guy that gets his kicks out of running around with a needle and busting kids balloons. His brain turned to mush along time ago drinking the lefty’s koolaid.

        • sean e.stanton

          Very well said Kate8,
          John Stewart from the daily show along side Stephen Colbert have been battling MSM.
          I do not care about the ROYAL’S or who’s doing what on dancing with the star’s!All this media BS just keeps your average MA and PA american distracted from the real issues that plague WE THE PEOPLE…what is being done about AG Holder in the FAST AND FURIOUS scandal,and other tough topic’s

      • mike1127

        So you agree with the unConstitutional laws being handed out by D.C.? The IRS is not a legitimate part of the federal government. The Constitution trumps all other “laws” passed out by D.C.

        I am seriously considering moving to New Mexico and joining a militia myself. The rerst of the country needs to emulate them, not denigrate them.

      • FedUp

        Eddie, government is not always right and BIG government is seldom right. If you don’t like, don’t live there. Go live in NYC or LA or Chicago where BIG government just keeps getting bigger… Some of us prefer liberty and self reliance to over-sized and over-priced governments.

        • Donahue

          FED Up
          There is relief in sight:

          This is a “peaceful” movement across America. I suggest you “kick the tires” and see in almost all 50 states people “Christians” are massing now We want our REPUBLIC back as it was originally not the CORPORATION governance we now have…
          Merry Christmas – not: “Happy Holiday.
          “Okie” DON

      • Old Henry

        “Government overreach can be a cancer ”

        Well eddie, I would disagree slightly with that statement.

        Government overreach IS a cancer And it needs to be, ah, surgically removed…

        • bob wire

          well??????? not when there is a limits when heavy metals,like mercury and lead that can be broadcaster into the air wholesale.

          • JeffH


            fail through overambition: to fail through trying to do something that is too ambitious

            extend too far: to reach or extend too far or beyond something

            defeat somebody by trickery: to get the better of somebody by trickery or deception

          • eddie47d

            You’ve been tricking us for a couple of years Jeff and loving it!

          • JeffH

            eddie, who can’t be fixed, hasn’t tricked anybody.

    • bob wire

      There is nothing good about this “news” not if such a struggle is taking place.

    • Adam

      what to do when they start shooting us or rounding us up for a permanent sleep over at Federal Hall hostage camp or both.

  • s c

    It’s great to know that Uncle Scam’s addiction to power also has a downside. Cloudcroft, in particular, is located in an area where it takes effort to get there. It’s beautiful, and the idea that Uncle Scam has ‘plans’ for that area sickens me.
    Uncle Scam’s power addiction has limits, and like all bad habits, it will be countered by those who know the difference between justice and raw criminality. Way to go New Mexico!

    • wandamurline

      Uncle Sam is innocent, the Demorats in Congress are the ones to blame. We must send this bunch of corrupt liars on their way in 2012…if we want to save America as a Republic. They had been marching to their own tune until the tea parties across America rose to the occasion…had it not been for them, the debt ceiling would have been raised to God know where without a single heart beat. The Demorats should change their name to the Socialist/Marxist party as that is what they have become. Vote in 2012 like your very life and that of your family depends on it, because it literally does. If we allow these people to collasp America, we will never be able to get our Republic back. Every state should be doing what New Mexico did. When Gov. Perry of Texas tried to stop TSA from groping and violating your constitutional rights at the airports, Obama said he would shut down airlines from coming to Texas….had I been governor, I would has said go ahead if you think you are big enough…stop the airlines, and I’ll stop the flow of oil north. We have to, at some point, stand our ground and draw a line in the sand and dare them to cross it. The states, according to the Constitution, trump the feds on most things, and it is time for us to show them that they do not have tolitarian rule.

      • Pepper

        wandamurline, I keep seeing this same “it’s the Democrats/It’s the Republicans” fault. BOTH parties have really BAD people that have made BAD choices and voted to undermine your freedoms.The corruption is on both sides. Period. This is like saying all brown dogs are bad. Look at WHO voted for the NDDA bill. ONLY seven stood up on the first passage. (3 democrats, 3 republicans, 1 independent)I say for all the others, they need to be IMPEACHED and Charged with Treason. As long as you fail to see the damage caused by the “individuals” within our government elected, No matter “what” party, the problem will go on. Mc Cain of all people sponsored the NDAA Bill to imprison American citizens along with a Democrat. Lieberman is sponsoring the internet “kill switch”. The enemies are within ALL parties. None that have caused the damage get a “free” pass. I may not agree with most democrat policies, but I finding that I’m not agreeing with a lot of the republicans policies either. Anyone or anything that undermines our Country is the enemy no matter “what” party.

        • DaveH

          Yep, and there’s the Stop Online Piracy Act, H.R.3261, and the Protect IP Act, S.968, both attempts by Congress to mess with our Internet, and both sponsored by a nearly equal proportion of Democrats and Republicans.

          • MRMO


          • joe seven

            The politians have been trying for years to get some kind of control of the internet so they can tax it and screw it up with regulations. The internet must be the most sucessful thing of all time because the Government has not gotten control of it.

        • Matt Newell

          I agree!!!

        • Donahue

          Good analysis..
          We have two parties the Repub-Demos and the Tea Party !
          Inhofe voted for this SenateBill 1867 and Coburn, along woith Rand Paul and 5 others voted against it.
          The FEMA “Containment camps” wait those who resist!
          Stand Tall Americans- STAND TALL like those in New Mexico…
          “Okie” don

      • Ret

        He backed down because there was no money to be made. Too, his mega political contributors Bob Perry (no relation) and Harold Simmons probably didn’t approve. You may want to check out some of the goodies they purchased for their contributions.
        Also, maybe he had no friends to help such as in his push for mandating Gardasil. Per Real Clear Politics: “The controversy over Perry’s decision deepened as it came to light that his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck and that his chief of staff’s mother-in-law, Rep. Dianne White Delisi, was the state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls”.

      • Brian

        You are a partisan hack. It is not the Democrats fault. The blame rests with the Establishment (Democrats AND Republicans) and the partisans that continue to elect these crooks. Frankly, your willingness to blame one part of the problem while giving the other part a free pass because the letter after their name is the one you like makes you partly to blame.

      • DaveH

        The whole mess of Constitution Trampling Feds started with the first Republican president Not-so-honest Abe Lincoln. And both parties since then have grown the Federal Government to the Leviathan Monster that it is now.
        There is only one Political Party that understands the true meaning of Freedom. That is the Libertarian Party:

        And who knows? Even the Libertarian Party might become corrupted if we, the citizens, don’t get our heads out and start facing the reality that the Politicians like their Power over our lives and they aren’t going to give it up easily. We must become educated and keep a watchful eye on them always.

        • Buddy

          Yes, you’re correct. The underpinnings of the fascist “union” started with Lincoln. Although Lincoln was venerated when I was taught in grammar school, it wasn’t too long before my opinion changed. However, I am one of the few, as can be noted by the fact that the Lincoln memorial still is maintained as is Mt Rushmore.

          You are also correct in pointing out that the federal government has been taken over primarily by those whom I would classify as sociopaths. Why not; what better platform for people with limited consciences to feed their egos and pocketbooks than in an overwhelming bureaucracy?!

          I can only hope that the stirrings which are evident result in a breakup of the USA union. It served its purpose in prior times, but it’s grown to cancerous size.

          • mike1127

            I agree. Lincoln was one of the worst Presidents in our country’s history. He trampled the Constitution as if it were nothing, and every President since has used him as a model of how to strip our rights. He was forced into signing the Emancipation Proclomation, and that only freed the slaves in the rebellious states. Washington, D.C. is rapidly losing touch with the real world. They are starting to act like the aristocrats that the original colonists rebelled against. Some families (Kennedy in particular) seem to have hereditary seats in the House and Senate. If we the people don’t start acting, we will soon lose what freedoms we have left. Try to encourage everyone you know to vote. Remind them that it is their DUTY to do so. Too many people think that their vote doesn’t count. This is true only when they don’t vote. The people of this country need to get involved again, and fix the mess we have allowed to happen.

          • bob wire

            well maybe so, but his vision was grander then just a few states. I question if you can fault his vision for America. As in my mind he was a visionary.

          • JC

            What was his vision bob? A lot of dead Americans?
            Castro and Stalin were seen as visionary’s too…

            I understand what you’re trying to say.
            Thing is, it just ain’t so…

        • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

          Agree,,,,Until you divest yourself of the Left-Right(Democrat-Republican)paradigm, you will never be able to see the big Picture(nor anyone lost in that Paradigm) and that is that Gov. is working overtime to steal your WEALTH and FREEDOM and turn you into it’s VASSAL……

          • bob wire

            yepper, that about suns it it up. Is you is or is you ain’t my brother?

          • JC

            Agreed Marten, it’s the same in all of the western nations.
            And funding the whole masquerade…are the central bankers.
            End the Fed.

        • George E


          I’ve come to think that Abraham Lincoln probably did exceed his constitutional powers when he invaded Southern states to forcibly keep them from seceding from the union. However, I don’t think this was the beginning of the federal government’s over reach. You can actually see signs of this beginning in George Washington’s administration. Refer to the Whiskey Rebellion: It seems many of our Founding Fathers, Alexander Hamilton chiefly among them, were in favor of a strong federal government from the very beginning. So, the struggle between Hamilton and Jefferson has never been resolved in the minds of the American people regardless how the courts have ruled, and will likely continue until the American population finally resolves it one way or the other.

          • JC

            Good point George, it’s always amazed me that Washington not only allowed, but lead an army of 12,000 into Pennsylvania to enforce taxation.
            He stopped Hamilton from continuing to hang dissenters though.

      • professor

        Wanda you are certainly right about Gov. Rick “I love illegals” Perry!

        He should have stood his ground against the Feds and their outrageous threat to stop all flights in and out of Texas! I would liked to have seen a Governor stand-up to such a threat!

        Can you imagine what the country would have thought of a tyrannical regime that shutdown travel in and out of any State! That would have brought to the forefront the coming struggle between the States and the Feds. The Governors of the Fifty States can bring down this regime that exists “only” because of our own “complicity.”

        • bob wire

          well~it’s complicated.

      • Carlucci

        wandamurline – Get your facts straight. Rick Perry didn’t try to stop the TSA. That was state Rep. David Simpson of Longview, and Rep. Dan Patrick of Houston, who introduced the bill in the Texas legislature. Rick Perry only pretended to do something, but was overruled by that ex-fed criminal creep David Dewhurst.

      • http://google Marvin McCardle

        I am sick and tired of hearing how the democrats are to blame when Bush and Reagan gave rise to more national debt than all Presidents after them. Look up the facts.

        • vicki

          It’s YOUR assertion. YOU bring the facts. The rest of us know that Obama has the honor of adding the most to our national debt and doing so faster then the last 4 presidents.

          • bob wire

            well, like you imply , there more then one way to look at this acquired national debit issue Vicky. You speak of Obama as being faster at it with 4.7 Trillion in just 3 years. ~ but he has another 4.7 Trillion to go if he’s to “double it at predecessor “W” did.

            Or if you stop to consider Reagan’s tenure. While claiming to get the Fed off the peoples backs, ~ by downsizing the Fed in one respect (via social spending)while raising military spending. ~ So he didn’t get the Fed off the peoples backs at all. He just offered them less while spending in “OTHER” areas as he chalked up a national debit. What social program that were defunded was dropped or City , county and state raised their taxes to make up for short fall.

            So really “Ronnie” sold us down river as we sang his praises all the way as the American people paid more while getting less. While hedge fund, junk bonds, hostile take overs, and sell offs, forced retirement, and leverage take overs and downsizing became common place all across American. Some Americans did rather well during those years while many did not fair a well.

            Today , we still suffer from what Reagan unleashed. Those were the beginning years of “disparity” that continue today. The years when lobbyist setup shop on Capitol hill and was warmly received.

          • Vicki

            Bob has a good point though he failed (as all liberals seem to) to provide any evidence. I would do it now but I have a better use for my one link.

            There is a smoke and mirrors game here that even I fall into from time to time. We blame Obama for out of control spending. This is not the key to the story. CONGRESS, specifically the House creates the budget. The president merely asks for money from them. THEY are the ones who provide the money. Even the senate merely oks the budget. So to see who or what is really the cause you need to dig deep into which party is in Congress and how much more or less than the President asked for did they authorize.

            This is a non trivial task.

            Since Bob brought up President Reagan as one of the spendthrift Republican Presidents let us look for a moment just at his situation.
            “Though Reagan promised deep cuts in domestic spending, that did not turn out to be the case. Indeed, overall welfare spending increased during the Reagan presidency — primarily because Reagan could not overcome, even with vetoes and the bully pulpit of the White House, the spending impulses of Congress, which, after all, signed the checks. Throughout his two terms, he was confronted by Democrats still enthralled by the New Deal as well as Republicans (particularly in the Senate) still mesmerized by its political appeal.”

            Thus you see that CONGRESS (the House was majority Democrat btw) is the source of the problem.

            We CAN blame Obama only in that he constantly proposes his own and then signs off on the exorbitant budgets from CONGRESS.

        • George E


          There are many ways to look at the national debt. One thing is for sure. Our federal government has been accruing more and more debt year after year, regardless which political party held the Presidency. Another thing is for sure. We cannot sustain our government with all of its obligations at the current rate it is accruing debt. Most experts I listen to tell me that our social programs, especially Medicare and Medicaid, are the chief drivers of federal debt. It doesn’t appear to me that the new Obamacare law will do anything but make this situation worse. Here’s a pretty good reference on the subject:

          • JC

            And this debt is owed to whom exactly?
            Oh yes! It’s the interest on the loans made to the Govt. by the Fed on money out of thin air. It’s a Ponzi scheme, plain and simple.

          • George E


            My reading of the data tells me the federal debt has already gone up to just over $15 trillion with much more coming in social spending that’s on “auto pilot.” The owners of this debt can be divided into near equal thirds; 1) Federal reserve, Social Security, and other government programs, 2) foreign countries, and 3) American public. The sad part is that the real owners of #1 are largely American taxpayers because ultimately the only way to pay back loans made from government programs like Social Security is to increase tax revenue. In other words, the way Americans will get the benefits from these government programs is to increase taxes on themselves. At some point, the cost will exceed the benefit, so even if we increase taxes enough to sustain these programs, the cost in additional taxes will be more than the benefits we will receive. The other thing that Americans should know is that bondholders (#2 & #3)will take priority over American citizens who are promised social benefits. When the crunch comes, the government will have few options to balance the books. One will be to cut social benefits, because defaulting on their bonds will always be the last thing they will do. The sooner we modify these social programs to reduce costs, the less pain there will be.

      • Old Henry

        Remember Wanda, as so astutly stated here some time ago by one of our TX friends – Rick Perry is all hat and no cattle.

        He was merely shooting off to make himself look tough in his big hat, cut when push came to shove, there was no cattle.

      • Mario Gingras

        You can blame democrats.uncle sam.republicans andwho erer you want but the truth be known there all pupets to the mega banks who have them in there hands the question is how do we get the to cut the strings

    • charli chikn lady

      sc – uncle SCAM’s plans are in hand with Agenda 21. the “plan” is that EVERY STATE will return 50% of the state’s lands to the same condition they were in when columbus set foot on this continent. you are beginning to see it there… hard to believe – but do the research! thanks to CARTER! – we are now seeing the “grand plan” come to fruition! we are no longer to habitate where we WANT to! if we don’t wake up everybody to this very real plan – there will BE NO PRIVATE ownership of the land – even if it’s been in your family for 200 years… “they” don’t care as long as the agenda progresses and this once-proud country is destroyed! god bless and merry christmas to all!

      • Pepper

        Thanks for posting. Our government has been hijacked by the criminally insane. The UN wants Global take over on all countries rights and sovereignty. Their global environment conference bombed last week. Now they will just use our EPA to steal. Some are calling for the arrest of the UN’s stooge scientists on Fraud charges on the global warming scam.

        • DumbStruck

          Perhaps we, the people of the world, ought to convene a Universal PEOPLE’s COURT to hold accountable the ‘One Worlders’ for crimes against humanity, conspiracy, and theft. Maybe such action also ought to include the World Bank, Vatican Bank, and the U.S. Federal Reserve. Perhaps that sounds like ‘pie-in-the-sky’, but it could become a reality IF and when conscientious attorneys and citizens at global level unite to preserve a world and planet free from the dictates set out in the Georgia Guidestones. See this site for information about them

          • Pepper

            Sounds good to me, and yes there are Many going after these gangsters as we speak. I encourage you to watch the movie “Thrive” It was great to see it all put together and be a positive force. We can’t fix things if we don’t have a clue about what or who is causing this global mess. This isn’t just our country, it’s a global crisis against humanity.

          • ALL AMERICAN

            Sounds good. Let’s take ‘em all to court.
            Someone presiding with the personality of Judge Judy would be nice.

          • Kate8

            A true people’s court would be great idea.

            There have been several citizen grand juries assembled, as well as a very big public court in New York, put together by Rev. Manning to investigate O’s legitimacy to hold office. They had brought in a true volunteer judge and real attorneys, and huge numbers of people showed up. It went on for a number of days, yet was completely ignored by the press.

            How many of you have heard anything about these citizen actions? The press ignores them, so officially they don’t exist.

            I’ll bet that if we could come together, all of us who seek justice and remedy for the superimposition of an false government upon the people of America, we could make an impact. There are more of us than anyone thinks, and that is why the guv is working so hard to cut us off at the knees before such a movement becomes too formidable.

          • JeffH

            DumbStruck, great idea and one I’m quite sure many could get behind and support.

            After James Madison’s Bill of Rights was submitted to Congress, Tench Coxe (see also: Tench Coxe and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, 1787-1823) published his “Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution,” in the Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 He asserts that it’s the people (as individuals) with arms, who serve as the ultimate check on government:

            As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.

            Tench Coxe wrote: Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.

            The Federalist Papers Continued – “The Original Right of Self-Defense”

            The Founders realized insurrections may occur from time to time and it is the militia’s duty to suppress them. They also realized that however remote the possibility of usurpation was, the people with their arms, had the right to restore their republican form of government by force, if necessary, as an extreme last resort.

            My hats off to those who stand tall in New Mexico associated with this story and also to the American Patriots of the militia who’ve recognized the constitutional duty granted them to fight tyranny, the IRS, the illegal Feds and the anti-gun mayor.

          • eddie47d

            Every American has a right to defend themselves or their home and property. Yet all Militia members are not on the side of Liberty and some have ulterior motives. So don’t be so giddy and gullible considering that 32 police officers have been killed by right wing extremists since 1995. Those “wingers” weren’t robbing 7-11′s but targeting police in the name of various groups. Such as the Sovereign Nation (anti-tax) and individuals (anti-government) like Poplawski of Pittsburgh.

          • JeffH

            A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

            “At no time in our history since the colonies declared their independence from the long train of abuses of King George has our country needed a network of active militias across America to protect us from the monster we have allowed our federal government to become. Long live the Militia! Long live freedom! Long live government that fear the people!”

          • eddie47d

            Those militias Klan are well armed too Jeff and I do believe they think just like you. How about the League of the South militia who are pushing for southern succession again. There president Michael Hill says all members “need to be armed with AK-47′s,hollow point bullets and be willing to derail trains real soon”. Patriotism or courage? I don’t think so!

          • DaveH

            I have seen no evidence, Eddie, that Jeff is anything but a decent honest man.
            You on the other hand, Eddie, have proved to be somebody who has no morality about taking property of others by force (Unionism) and have shown yourself regularly to be a disrespectful slanderer and a liar.

          • JeffH

            A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

            Militias must really piss you off huh commie?

          • professor

            “Universal People’s Court!”

            Frankly, I am not sure I want any “world court” making decisions about anything!

          • eddie47d

            The liars on this site are well over 100 to 1 in comparison to anything I have said Dave. So go blow the sh*t out of you nose and try and breath some honest air.

          • JC

            eddie, we’re all guilty of it now and then, but the “majority” of your posts are inane and childish attacks on anything you don’t like.
            And generally speaking, you don’t “like” the Constitution, individuality, liberty, self responsibilty…
            You’re openely statist most of the time, and like all statists
            you have very little to work with, and it shows.
            DaveH and Jeff are two of the more solidly planted people who visit this site and can back up their positions with facts.
            I can’t say the same for you.

      • eddie47d

        There are plenty of scammers on the other side of the global warming issue too with their own agenda.Should we arrest those stooges also?

        • Pepper

          Yes. Anyone falsifying documents for profit and political gain. KEY Words; Falsifying, profit.

  • FreedomFighter

    Resistance is not futile it is your duty and right as an AMERICAN.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • James Andrews

      Semper fi!


      Amen FreedomFighter !!!
      HOOAH !!!

    • JeffH

      FreedomFighter, Hear Hear!

      Oath Keepers – a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

      • eddie47d

        It is definitely our duty to defend all Americans and not a select few. The Oath Keepers realize that so why would they defend some of those Militias who do harm to other Americans? They will have to be careful if it comes down to choosing sides for the Constitution was meant for everyone.

        • JeffH

          eddie, where have the Oath Keepers shown support for illegal militias?
          Pay attention…they took an oath and unlike some, believe in that oath and support said oath.

        • DaveH

          I wouldn’t defend you, Eddie, if my life depended on it.

          • JeffH

            ..nor will I…

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Amen brother!

  • Insurgent

    Why Is that when elected officials go to DC they lose all common sense?

    • LEL

      Power, and the money that follows and feeds the power which feeds the money ……..

    • Lueder

      It’s because they enter the “Twilight Zone” when they cross the border into DC and become brainwashed.

    • Norman F.

      Insurgent it is my opinion that elected federal officers suffer from the effects of swamp gas that leaks up through the foundations of all government buildings that were originally built on a landfill of a large swamp. How else could you explain the turnaround of people who look upon voters as intelligent people while running for office and gibbering idiots after election time?

    • Sirian

      Very simple, once they arrive in Washington D.C., they must willingly, under oath, submit to established Federal Laws which have respectably placed “common sense” on the “Endangered Species List”. Therefore, they, without question, must relinquish all rights and honors of using “common sense” as they may have once been capable of. This is the manner in which preferred Federal Law can, will and is imposed to benefit those that are self acclaimed “Powers that Be”. HA, sound a bit “Federally”. . . :)

      • Ret

        I may be confused, but isn’t the Constitution the foundation of Federal Law? Aren’t the laws contrary to the Constitution null and void?

        • Sirian

          Why of course they are Ret. I was merely joking about the lack of common sense used in Washington. Besides, there have been instances of Federal Law being side stepped just as Obummer has circumvented Congress. Example, Cap & Trade – that didn’t go anywhere with Congress so they turn it over to Cass Sustein (one of Obummer’s prized possessions) via the EPA and the regulations that have come forth since are astounding. Again, I was merely joking about the lack of common sense in Washington.

        • Matt Newell

          Only if the people have the guts to stand FOR the Constitution.

          • Sirian

            I believe that number is definitely on the increase Matt.

    • daniel

      Because they are mooching off of our common cents!!!

  • Al Sieber

    If we all stood up we wouldn’t have any problems.

    • James Andrews


    • professor

      If Americans merely comply with an unlawful regime, why wouldn’t it become tyrannical! There is no doubt the Feds need to be “challenged” at every turn.

      Every Governor, every State official, the Military, the Police, the Judges, all must make themselves aware of their Constitutional Rights as applied to the power of the States vs Feds. It is the duty of all Americans to see that government is kept in its place and does not usurp more power than it was “granted by the States.”

      Again, the Governors of these Fifty States, and their local governments, can and must challenge unconstitutional acts, mandates, or laws coming out of Washington. Americans need their States to protect their freedom from an out-of-control Washington.

      Americans have no representation in Washington, as we have seen for the last three-plus years. Congress, the people’s representatives, are willingly greasing the slide of America into Marxism. The States must rescue the people and the Constitution.

      • Kate8

        Well stated, professor.

        Not only do we have no representation in DC, but the government has officially turned against we the people. We are now at war with them.

        We just have to decide what kind of weapons we will use, because if we wait too long, we will be struck down before we know what hit us.

        Truth and information are our best bets, and standing firm… Noncompliance with false “laws”. With truth and justice on our side, that already gives us an edge.

        Remember, “Greater is He who is within Me than he who is in the world”.

        • professor

          Kate, you have made some well-stated comments, yourself. I don’t always comment as my time is limited.

  • Glen

    This is exactly right – federal officials are often bullies. I am a federal employee, removed from a supervisory position after making a private statement to a peer about my Christian beliefs regarding the Gay lifestyle. I also intend to sue the managers involved after going through the EEO process. The government and the individuals need to be held to account for their actions.

    • charli chikn lady

      GO GLEN!!!!! be strong! stand up for your convictions! i am in full support of you! god bless!

    • eddie47d

      Why should Glen get an atta boy for gay bashing against a fellow employee?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        So eddie you are saying glenn cannot express his opinion of a particular lifestyle in a private conversation with one individual. You are saying he has no right to express his religious convictions concerning an issue to one individual.

      • mrbill

        I believe it is called “free speach”.

      • Carlucci

        eddie47d – Who said Glen was “gay bashing”? I didn’t see that anywhere in his post. He was just expressing an opinion and his beliefs.

        If liberals ever wonder why people cannot stand them, it is because they are always jumping to foolish conclusions, all the while screaming “gay-bashing”, “racism”, etc. Have you seen “Interview with a Zombie”? You might want to check it out, because the “zombie” is obviously one of your brethren.

        BTW – Bob Livingston & Larry Pratt – this was an excellent article that gives me a lot of hope. It came around just in time for the holidays. Thank you.


        • Flashy

          Let’s see…how logical and common sense does this sound. ‘I made one anti gay comment to a co worker in private and i was removed from a supervisory position”

          Give me a break. that doesn’t even make a chuckle test. Unbeloievable. There is far more to it than that. I’ll wager more than a few shekels on it.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Flashy, Yeah,That’s how much you know LIB!, at a local school here, an Atheist Family stopped Baccalaureate dead in its tracks at Graduation a while back, siting they were offended by anything to do with God__it caught the local Christian community so off guard, they went a ahead and stopped baccalaureate. The kids are the only ones who can organize it!__So don’t open your mouth until you get THE Damned FACTS!


        Eddie, YOU MAKE ME SICK.
        Go have some cappucino with your other village idiots.

        • eddie47d

          Of coarse I make you sick because I called you out. You prove you can’t handle the truth anymore than some of those liberals you berate. Because of your snippy remark I’ll ask you why Glen wants to sue his employer if conservatives hate lawyers so much? I thought only liberals ran to lawyers and bellyache! Opps! I guess it’s always different when the shoe is on the other foot. Now calm down and have a Blessed Christmas.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, don’t flatter yourself. You make him sick because you’re an obnoxious pestering troll, who has nothing to add to the conversation so must talk trash constantly.

          • eddie47d

            More like your style Dave

      • JeffH
        • DaveH

          I’m a lip reader, Jeff. Did you see that he was mouthing the word Eddie everytime he said Stupid?

          • JeffH

            ..’at’s what I been sayin’ all along…compared to Flashy, Alex, Rober S and their ilk, eddie sets new lows everytime he comments… :)

          • eddie47d

            Stop groveling Jeff and get off of your belly!

    • professor

      “Political Correctness” has become a “tool” of the Marxist Left. They use it to attack the morality of this country, attack the family unit, attack religion, and undermine the cultural and moral fabric of our nation. The Marxist agenda is to make many things “acceptable” to Americans that, otherwise, would never be condoned. The tail has wagged the dog, in this Nation, way too long!

      • Don

        Very well put, Professor, Thank You and Merry Christmas !!


        Merry Christmas, Professor.
        Thank you for that wonderful comment.

      • Michael J.

        Search “The origins of Political Correctness” and you will see that it was actually conceived and brought forth into fruition by Marxist nearly 100 years ago at a place called The Frankfurt School in Germany for the soul purpose of bringing down western society and capitalism.

        • professor

          Michael,that is interesting, but not surprising. The last time I was in Germany, not that long ago, the Nazi’s were still wearing armbands and parading in the streets. Americans were advised by the military to stay inside.

          Merry Christmas to all good Americans on this board.

      • Flashy

        So…because some folks don’t comment according on this forum, we are bashed. i.e not being “PC” for the board posters. Wow…so Professor, you’re a Marxist?

    • Angel Wannabe

      “Hear, Hear”, Glen__Stand up for you beliefs!_Gods Speed!

      • charli chikn lady

        you better be careful…. eddie47 will jump on you, too. he jumps on me just about every time i post. i’m just a newbie – but it’s kinda discouraging to have him jump on everything you post. HE needs to chill.

        • Angel Wannabe

          charli chicken lady, No worries, I’ve been on this site since 2009, and eddie we believe is a paid Liberal to cause problems on Conservative blogs, we don’t usually agree an anything with them & only give very little merit.
          __Libbies have gone off the deep end, with they’re S1867′s Defense Bills, repealing the Sodomy and Beastiality laws in the Military AND they’re commie/socialism push.__we’ve been hi-jacked by a bunch of progressive money/power hungry mad-men, time to clean house and I mean the WHOLE HOUSE!

  • James

    Insurgent, I think the answer to your question lies in the fact that most officials do not have common sense BEFORE they go to DC.

  • wessbull

    @ insurgent, there are 90,000 lobbyist in D.C….

    • s c

      wessbull, it’s time to loose America’s bounty hunters on those 90,000 lobbyists. Two can play the ‘do it for money’ game. Besides, we have the Constitution on our side. Lobbyists have nothing but
      greed and round heels on theirs.

      • JesseJamesDean

        You do realize that GOA is a lobbying organization? The ACLU? Not all lobbies are bad. Some are actually lobbying congress to stand up for individual liberty. Not all are trying to protect the profits of specific corporations and industries.

  • Bett

    Call your local Sheriff and question his ability to stand up as OUR CONSTITUTION says he is OUR protection against the Federal gov’t. is the AZ Sheriff who fought the Gov’t (Clinton admin.) and won
    due to Constitutional Judge who was not afraid to support his rights. He is the one your Sheriff needs to be in touch with as he has a FREE seminar offered to Sheriffs in Vegas, Jan 30 flight/rooms free for them to see
    how far our gov’t is from Our Constitution. Ron Paul will reverse ALL Executive Orders as the lawmaking branch is Congress, not the dictator we have now abusing the Constitution. We need a Constitutional president and fast as we’ve been sold down the river to the One World Govt. Google AGENDA 21 which is US takeover of the USA, 1200 ciites so far. Ron Paul will get us out of UN and UN out of USA before we lose our sovereignty as we are on our way to GLOBALISM if Newt gets in or Obama is not gone!! GET out and educate complacents, independents, even Republicans who vote for another pretty face/orator vs the one who has the values to restor us to a firm CONSTITUTION foundation, Economic stability all have agreed he is the one and on foreign policy wont get us into any more Iraq’s but protect our homefront and stop enabling wars using diplomacy 1st. Read the IEAE report on Iran and nuke capability Bachmann misread he corrected but no one hears him on last debate. He is a Patriot, ex military and one who will respect the team of the 3 gov’t bodies running the show and not a dictator.

    • Pepper

      Great post, I agree!

    • rocquedog

      And so it begin…. The American Revolution: The Sequel. To those patriots in New Mex.: HUUUAH!!!

    • professor

      The only way the criminals in Washington can push Agenda 21 on our country is if we (States, cities, businesses, individuals) voluntarity comply. The only reason we still have the Fed Bank is because people accepted it without complaint.

      No one can expect an illegal, tyrannical government to “limit its own power.” That is our job!

    • Mario Gingras

      Ron Pual is the real deal and he won.t bend but he needs we the oeople to stand behind him and put others like him in offices that can make a differance the change we need is back to the constitution

  • ib12541

    Isn’t it great when liberty and freedom shines through the tyrannical fog? Perhaps I need to move to New Mexico.

    • Old Man Jack

      AGREED !!! I lived out there a long time ago and loved it. I’m seriously thinking about going back

    • JeffH

      I’ve new found interest in New Mwxico too… :)

  • Iris

    Fellow Americans, send this on to your neighbors and relatives and ASK them to contact their local Sheriff and tell him/her that they are watching his every move and if he does not do his job, you will be lobbying against his re election. Talk is cheap! ACT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.


  • David Kline

    We all should forward this to county officials around the country. I would bet most of them don’t know they have this power.

  • Amy Aremia

    It is reasurring that Sheriffs are responding to the illegal immigration problem the Federal Gov’t is ignoring…Illegal immigrants are actually committing a crime, and govenment responds by treating them as honored guests…at the expense of the taxpayers.
    Bringing home our military will help in guarding our borders…having them wll not cost more but less.

  • Gary Haws

    I would like to know more about the N.M. malitia. How do they function without persecution from the feds?

    • Gary Bridges

      Gary, I also would like to know more about the inner workings of this and it should be passed along to all brothers.

  • Ollie

    I agree with that statement”If we all stood up for our rights we wouldn’t have any problems”. I have been ready to take a stand and will.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Great news and thanks for the stand. :”Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has set us free.”

  • Faith Montgomery

    “This clip is part of a Yreka CA meeting on October 22, 2011 where eight elected county sheriffs report to citizens their feelings and solutions to the impending federal government threat on their property rights.”

    Host sheriff John Lopey of Siskiyou County, speaking about the federal environmental intervention, said: “I have told federal and state officials over and over that, yes, we want to preserve the environment, but you care more about the fish, frogs, trees and birds than you do about the human race. When will you start to balance your decisions to the needs of the people?” Later he told the audience, “We are right now in a fight for our survival.”

    Glenn Palmer, sheriff of Grant County, Oregon, said, “If an elected official has not taken an oath of office, he does not belong in office.”

    • Flashy

      Palmer isn’t exactly having the solid support of his constituency y’know … here is an excerpt from a right wing blog…

      “He has been ridiculed and sharply assailed for his stance. The local newspaper has been part of this criticism and some other local officials who would never have the courage to do such a thing, certainly have the courage to complain about Palmer … ”

      What the boog fails to clarify is the extent his stance is opposed and causing a ruckus in Grant County.

      See..that’s one of the problems with the extremist Right. They takle a position, most others sit bck and say ‘ummm….that’s loonier than Daffy Duck…you may want to go foam in the corner for awhile until the meds kick in”. And the extremists refuse to recognize the tenuous and flimsy hold on sanity everyone is telling them they have while they insist the majority..the vast majority … are wrong and shouldn’t be listened to.

      And they wonder why people are laughing at ‘em…jeesh ..

  • TML

    I actually felt pride and hope while reading that article… we need more Sherifs like Benny House as well as Reps like Steve Pearce.

    Good job with the article Larry

  • DaveH

    Brave woman that 60-year old. Let’s hope the murdering Feds don’t make another Ruby Ridge style example of her and her family.

  • skyraider 6

    God Bless those Sheriffs
    Semper Fi

    • jim u.

      semper-fi skyraider 6, I was also in VMA251

  • not so smart

    What a great story about that lady and her neighbors, and their sheriff.
    I also used to wonder what happened to people who went into D.C. with common sense. I also wondered if they were suffering from swamp gas.

    Put yourselves in their shoes when it comes to things like NDAA 1031. Assuming you’re an honest person, what could possibly convince you to vote for something like that??

    • Pepper

      Threats and Money. We have been hijacked by the Globalists and the criminally insane. They know that if the majority of people find out what is really going on, there will be an uprising of the people and a lot of us are packing guns. I would prefer to impeach,arrest and prosecute the fraudsters, but where do you find an uncorrupted judicial system?

      • Mario Gingras

        have you heard we are the terrorist now and they set up camps for our detention throughout the country they already contracte out for the keepers of these camps all you need to go there is talk against there agenda.This is not being talked about but exists now.

    • DaveH

      The great call to Leadership is Power and Perks. Unfortunately that draws the most sociopathic segment of society. It is a rare leader (Ron Paul for instance) who will pass on those goodies and actually represent the People.
      So, no, they’re not suffering from swamp gas. They’re suffering from the same old malady that has infected Leaders throughout history — the Lust for Power.

  • FreedomFighter

    Louisiana State Rep Demands Troops on The Streets: Infowars Nightly News 1/2

    Traitor pond scum selling US out.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      Great Post FreedomFighter.

    • Angel Wannabe

      ff,_ lOUSIANNA has been getting alot of press lately, a good friend of ours is moving down there after Christmas__I kinda warned her before about a move right now.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    We may have to fight to the finish to preserve our Constitutional Republic. The Totalitarian Socialists have been burrowing into every aspect of our institutions for over 100 years. It may be a long protracted battle. I will be their till the end. Will all of you?

    • DaveH

      Listen to you. The same guy who disses Ron Paul every chance he gets, and wants an Establishment Republican like Newt Gingrich. I’m afraid, Crony Capitalist, that you know nothing about Freedom.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    It is frightening that we may all be labeled terrorists. Which would put at risk of unwarranted detention. Hopefully there are enough of us to make it impractical to execute their final plan of re-education camps.

  • Dennis

    Glad to see that common sense has not completely died yet.Maybe theres still hope.

  • Dave Diesel ” 81 “

    The entire government is bought and paid for by the corrupt people
    who print te dollar part of which is the FED,for the Real truth
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  • Michael J.

    Thanks Larry,
    Most inspiring and uplifting to know or become aware of like-minded patriotic conservatives.

    The part about banning access to public lands is a particular sore spot for me. In my state the proceeds from fishing, hunting and a multitude of other licensing and permiting fees generated by sportsman and outdoorsman are used by state sponsored agencies in the purchase of distressed ranches, farms and undeveloped properties. One of the main problems with this is that only a small pecentage of these properties are made usable by the public, and the majority are closed or not even known of by the public. In at least some cases these properties are leased out for cattle raising or mined for there resouces like timber. All of this occuring unbenounced to the public who finance 100% of their unconsented actions.

    As an example, several years back the state game and fish authorities annouced an out of season all you can kill hog hunt with no size or sex limitations in a previously unheard-of management area. I thought it peculiar, but my father was fond of advising his offspring never to look a gift-horse in the mouth, so I loaded up and headed out. Upon arrival I found a sign announcing the name of the management area that was so new that the paint was probably still wet. Shortly after entering we passed through new cattle gates and barbed wire fencing. These too were so new that the displaced earth from installing the fence and gate post had not yet been rained on. Before long we came accross our intended prey and proceeded to do what we came there for. At the end of the day and after we were sure that the adrenaline levels had subsided enough to deminish the gaminess of our catch, we proceeded to field dress. We immediately noticed that the flesh was an inordinate bright red color and possessed of a putrid odor which neither of us had encountered in a lifetime of hog hunting. After quickly examining the other animals amongst our kill we came to the conclusion that the animals were diseased and unconsumable.

    While leaving the area and trying to digest the idea that since all the animals were affected that the game and fish authorities had to be aware and willing to subject un-aware hunters to whatever disease that was beseiging these animals, that the final assault on us was yet to come when suddenly we found ourselves being stopped by a wildlife officer who proceeded to ransack our vehicle searching for God only knows what.

    Hind-sight being 20-20, I have put together a an un-confirmed scenario that to me anyway, logicaly explains the happenings of that day.

    As I mentioned earlier, the state uses proceeds to purchase property and in some cases leases said properties to cattlemen. I suspect this was just about to happen when the prospected cattlemen discovered that the ferel hogs present on the property were found to be diseased which would put in jeopardy the eventual sale of cattle.

    Well the state had to do somthing quick and in leiu of hiring professional hunters they opted to employ the public who not only work for free, but also pay for the privilege.

    As a result of this and as you may well expect, this and other government agencies have earned the right for me to trust them about as far as I can toss an elephant. Beware, my friends!


    • DaveH

      Great story, Michael.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Michael J, Well I’ll be an SOB!!!
      Can anyone say slick and sleazy!!!

  • rocquedog


  • DaveH

    Great article, Larry, and thank you for sticking up so well for our Gun Rights:

  • Jim

    I was under the impression that oil and gas wells in New Mexico were regulated by the Oil and Conservation Division of New Mexico, Energy, Minerals, and Natural Resources Department not the EPA. They regulate oil, gas, and geothermal activity in New Mexico and “gather well production data; permit new wells; enforce the division’s rules and the state’s oil and gas statutes; make certain abandoned wells are properly plugged; and ensure the land is responsibly restored.”

  • FreedomFighter

    Anyone notice the Leftist talking points personages are no longer posting on this blog?

    Does this mean we have been given over to the red list? Goverment is now tracking us all, they can dissapear you, me and anyone else, we live in interesting and dangerous times gentlemen.

    Beware methinks something wicked cometh this way.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Karolyn

      FF – Merry Christmas! :-) Breathe deep and think good thoughts!

      • DaveH

        Don’t breathe too deep, Karolyn, unless you want your lungs full of sand.

      • Michael J.

        Have a Merry Christmas Karolyn, and a blissfully oblivious New Year!

      • eddie47d

        Merry Christmas Karolyn and a lump of coal for Dave or was that a bag of sand.

        • JeffH

          …is he smarter than a fifth grader? NOT!

  • steve in AZ

    Keep your powder dry. When the shtf real people like these will need your support. No sheriff’s dep’t. can stand against what the feds can bring,especially after the NDAA has allowed them to declare America a battlefield.

    County officials everywhere will need our unlimited support when they are acting in our best interests.

    DONATE NOW so you can VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

    • DaveH
    • bigmikey

      THAT is definitely someone to endorse! RON PAUL 2012 for civil liberties and states’ rights!!!

  • EMRoss

    Everyone that posts comments are doing nothing but venting their personnel frustrations so unless we all gather together and take action like those that did in New Mexico and for that matter like Sheriff Joe has done in Arizona, we will accomplish nothing except a bunch of rhetoric . Get smart Americans, UNITE & FIGHT, not flap your jaws like you’re at some coffee clutch !

    • DaveH

      Why are you commenting if it’s a waste of time?

      • EMRoss

        Just thought I’d rattle the bushes a bit. You are correct, comments are a total waste of time because no one has the guts to do anything about anything !

        • Pepper

          Comments are not a waste of time when passing the plate of information and inspiration. I was glad to see this article on people standing up and glad to see people are getting a clue about our government. I talk to everyone I come in contact with about the NDAA bill and corruption in DC. 8 out of 10 are oblivious to the fact that their elected would even entertain the thought of detaining American citizens. It is our job to inspire others to pass the plate of information, even if we don’t always agree on every thing. This opens other minds to explore and take appropriate action within their own communities.

        • DaveH

          First, EMRoss, people have to want to do something about it. And that won’t happen unless people are informed.
          The pen is mightier than the sword.

    • CO Tom

      The Feds just kicked Sheriff Joe to the curb. Suppose he was in the way, of the need to advance the open border agenda.

  • Patty


  • EMRoss

    I overlooked one very important fact; a few years back during his first term as Governor, The people voted for the death penalty in Oregon and Mr. Kitzhaber accepted that vote. Now in his second go-around as the Gov.he has decided to abandon the death penalty totally during his current term. My point being is that the people are asked what they want and express their desires in the form of a vote yet this bozo thinks he has the right to ignore the very people that put him in office. Now the worst part; the good voting citizens of Oregon haven’t got the kahonies to stand up to him & fight. I certainly would if I had the where-with-all. It matters not whether you are for or against the death penalty; the point is that State Government could care less what we want or vote for. UNITE & FIGHT

    • JeffH

      EMRoss, you’re the classic example of your comments…”if I had the where with all”?

      Start a petition, it takes one person to devote the time and effort to get it started. Once you have the interest of a few, more will follow…get the drift…show the cahones you feel other commentor can’t or don’t…in other words, quit bitchin’ and do something constructive.

      • Flashy

        yeah Em..start a petition. Witht the overwhelming support he has in the public for his actions, how many ya think will be signing it ? LOL

        Kitzhaber is a well admired and respected governor. He refused to sign death warrants because the system has flaws and there was the chance of an innocent being snuffed wrongfully.

        FYI…here is a VERY interesting read. A letter to the Editor by the death row inmate who’s scheduled execution Kitzhaber placed on hold. Now I don’t know about you, but if this guy thinks getting snuffed is better than staying locked up, I’m not one to be sympathetic to his wishes.
        Print publication: Wednesday, Dec. 21

        Haugen on Kitzhaber
        On Nov. 22, 2011, Gov. Kitzhaber with a tear in his eye knocked the dust off his conscience and committed an extraordinary act of heroism — he spared me from an eternal dirt nap that would have taken place Dec. 6, 2011. On Dec. 7, I awoke and said to myself “I love the smell of sweet limbo in the morning.” Four more years of incapacitation, to me, feels like Death by Kitzhaber.

        Rumor has it that Kitzhaber’s reprieve (one that I did not request) carries with it no appellate rights to challenge this intrusive intervention. As in the early days at Guantanamo Bay when enemy combatants could be held indefinitely without due process, Kitzhaber (by virtue of his reprieve) has declared me an enemy combatant to his conscience.

        Like the folks at Guantanamo I have been stripped of any due process or due course of law for the duration of this moratorium. Ironically, my rights have been taken away in favor of this war on an “inequitable system” and an “unworkable system that fails to meet the basic standards of justice.”

        I am not able to appeal or challenge this reprieve. Perhaps the governor was referring to some other basic standards.

        By the way, I know that some people have opined that my hope of attracting publicity to the injustices of capital punishment in Oregon through my own execution somehow meant that I was “delusional” and had an “irrational understanding” of the death penalty. Since it turns out the governor shares some of my basic concerns, I wonder if the same labels will be applied to him by the anti-death penalty crowd who wanted to save me from myself?

        Anyway, in light of Kitzhaber’s reprieve, I have decided to change my name for the duration of this mora-”horror”-ium to Gary Che Bin Laden Sir William Wallace Bobby Sands Haugen. Thank the Gods I still have that right left.

        Oregon State Penitentiary, Salem

  • rhcrest

    And that is ALL the federal gov’t should be doing is funding our national defense!

  • blackwingA520

    Most of the well off people (we’ll call them rich) that I have met, that own hundreds,if not thousands of acres of land are just like the politicians in Government, they like the fact that they Own all that land and have power over other people. They are very arrogant. “No tresspassing or hunting on MY land”, that is for US only to enjoy. You people of little means, go away! Then they have the balls to talk about politicians having too much power and money! And then they wonder why there is class warfare.

  • Larry

    This story makes me glad that I am an American. It send chills down my back. We are the people who make this World and our governemnt function. And don”t you forget it.

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    At last there is some good news about people defending freedom and civil liberties!

  • wog1

    What I love is we elect officials to go to Washington to take our money and govern us and when they get there the forget all about who sent them there and still take our monies and use it against us to take away our freedoms and enslave us. What a bunch on minions.

  • Michael Kelly

    This is a great article and I thank you Mr. Pratt for writing it. Fed. Encroachment on State’s Rights, and thereby on State’s Citizens is becoming more and more commonplace. It would not hurt one bit, to start making Fed. Officers, Agents, etc. show their credentials, show the paperwork that they claim justifies what they claim to be authorized to do, and arrest them for False Representation if what they say is not true. Stopping them for trespassing is also a way to keep government snoops from searching property. Fear of them keeps us down. We shouldn’t have to fear our own Govt., but then that is what the Second Amendment is all about, isn’t it.

    • Injun Trouble


      Is that you ????

      Terry Sir

  • Kip Day

    GOOD FOR NEW MEXICO!! It is about time that people start standing up to this Government and doing what is right. When our Government infringes on our rights and taking away our freedoms it is time to fight back. When the Government of a nation is leading it to it’s doom, rebellion is not only the right, but the duty of every man. I hope this spreads like wild fire across this nation.

    • Flashy

      Hey kip…what would you say if the above scenarios of armed hooliganism, tax evasion, and armed confrotnation with law officers were performed by so-called “liberals” ? you’d be howling for their heads is what you would say.

      Y’know…if those folks don’t like the situation, they can move to another country. Let’s see…usurping the public elections by intimidation of public officials, armed confrontation with law enforcement officers, admitting criminal acts while sitting as a public official, theft of public property and preventing park officials from carrying out their duties(the Gila National Park issue involved illegal grazing of cattle, illegal taking of water, vandalism to cave dwellings, threats against federal park employees, tourists attacked and robbed etc etc … and the closure only involved the worst, most dangerous areas and senstive historic sites 9they were getting shot up).

      Nice..y’all are proud of cheering this on eh?

      • s c

        f, what’s it like to trying to defend the indefensible? Assuming that your comments are even close to the article’s topic (good luck with that), it sure sounds like you’re a closet utopian who wants to be seen as a conservative. Like, do ya think y’all can shove it, ya think?

        • Flashy

’s called taking a bit of time to fact check. I learned dealing with the extremists on both sides to check and verify before taking anything said as close to being accurate. The othr day i believe it was Ben Crystal who took a snippet from the CBS interview with President Obama…and eviscerated him and the others piled on. However, I went, found the entire response to the question, posted it showing Crystal didn’t exactly represent the entire picture.

          I’m not saying anyone is lying…but at times there certainly is a twisting of the facts to suit the vampires wanting blood …

          Notice how SC said i was trying to defend the indefensible. WHAT? In what way was I trying to defend armed hooliganism, intimidation, usurption of the elctoral process, police officers deciding what the law was, and a tax cheat? These guys are cheering that…cheering fer chrissakes! The abolition of a civilized society is being cheered…and SC states i am defending the indefensible ???? Keerist …

        • eddie47d

          Actually SC he was totally on target if you were up on the issue. It’s not so one sided as you always claim each and every day.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for the info, Flashy. It’s too bad these blogs are not written to give both sides of the stories but rather are written just to incite strong feelings.

        • Don

          Karolyn, the other side of the story is what the feds are doing, i thought you were awake but i guess you wasn’t, so go back to sleep, sheep !!

          • Karolyn

            Don, I’m awake enough to want to hear two sides of a story before coming to any kind of conclusion.

      • rhcrest

        Flashy, ok then so what are people supposed to do to stand up to unjust laws and a tyrannical gov’t? Just because gov’t makes a law doesn’t make it right. Remember we have a duty to disobey unjust and tryannical laws. According to your logic, once the gov’t makes a rule, we are supposed to just follow it without question. You sound like those people who go around saying that a certain procedure must be followed because “it’s the LAW!”. Ridiculous. “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Try reading the Declaration of Independence. What the Colonists went through with King George was mere child’s play compared to what we are going through now with this rogue gov’t.

        • rhcrest

          And since when is people protecting their own private property armed hooliganism? And the gov’t has no right to declare vast swaths of public land unavailable to the public. And by the way, taxes are nothing but de facto legalized theft of private property. The 16th amendment was never properly ratified.

        • eddie47d

          They(government) do have the right to have certain usage on public lands. Some are strictly recreational,some are watersheds with no development and some are allowed for grazing. Doesn’t mean anyone can go in and cut down trees when ever they like. That is more like stealing or destroying what belongs to everyone. Now if you don’t like paying taxes then don’t pay them.That is your choice when they come after you so don’t be crying to us. There is a difference between bravery on issues and being stupid which forces someone else to pay more.

          • JeffH

            …certainly an expert on stupid…every day expert…lifelong expert…

          • Flashy

            First…read the article “The Commons” by Barry Commoner. That will give you a good concept behind the national parks and federal lands. The Commons is also the foundational theory for our enironmental laws, most of the Power of the cetnralized form of givernment we have, and our military defense make up. It’s not just the locals who have an interest in those lands…it’s all of us.

            Recall ever hearing the preamble “WE, the People of the United States …”. That dicument recignizes to people of this nation. Each of us as individuals, and as a whole. The people and The People. The many and the one.

            As to the 16th not being part of the Constitution (as amended)…I’d say there are a few folks sitting in prisons around the country who have argued that line…and received the same response from the Courts as everyone in history has. Have fun thinking it through cooling your heels in the Big House.

            Interesting enough…you will not be tossed into jail for not filing tax returns. They can’t do that. What folks get tossed into jail is filing false returns. THAT is the crime… Not filing is not a jailable offense (I don’t think). But they can come after you and take all you have collecting the debt owed to The People.

            Chew on that for awhile…

  • http://na Jim

    Well, I didn’t think it possible. Some people actually remember the revolution and why it took place.

    • Flashy

      Chances are you think it’s because of taxation without representation right? LOL Amazing how many people believe in that revisionist bit of history…it’s the sound bite of the Tea Party, which goes to show they know little about American history.

      And one day, I’d love someone to why the Federalist Papers are sound source material other than Hamilton and Jefferson debating what the Constitution was meaning at that time, and what issues they foresaw as the nation was being formed based upin the then proposed Constitution.

      • http://na Jim

        Flashy, I don’t claim to be a History PHD holder but I remember that big businesses and the Crown were stealling from the Colonists. They wanted a different enviroment then what they had in Europe and the Crown followed them here to continue there rule. Our country has gone down that road and the basic wants and desires of the citizens are not considered anymore. Although this article doesn’t show both sides of the argument it points out one thing. The citizens in this case are tired of it and are not going to take it anymore. That is what I meant by remembering our history and the revolution. Nothing political in my comments at all.

      • cawmun cents

        For the same reason you think that Jefferson’s letter to the the Danbury Baptists,quoting the famous”seperation of church and state”,lends merit to its being part of the Constitution.-CC.

        • Flashy

          I don’t think Jefferson’s letter is of muich bearing on the issue. The Constitution dictates that Congress is prohibited from establishing a religion and protecting the right to free exercise of religion. Right?

          OK…allowing any one religion the right to use public domain to forward ts dogma is, in effect, giving it a higher status that all other religions…ie. it is establishing a recognized “approved” religion.

          Now…unless you think giving the Hare krishna, the manson family, the Davidians, the Man Boy Club, and every other kook equal right to display it’s dogma … each being able to do such IN THE SAME SPOT, AT THE SAME TIME, UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS … then the point is moot. One religion is being favored by the state…or one religion is being disfavored by the state. Either way, the State is supporting a religion. Thus, unconstitutional.

          Now..unless you are prepared and willing without protest to allow a Satanic Altar right next to a depiction of JC, the manger the 3 wise men etc…

  • 2centsworth

    Thank you for this article ….

    Every State needs to do this…..This is so serious!!!!!! This is what’s happening… Obama Signs NDAA Martial Law

    You must watch this… they are coming all the way to their end….. SHARE THIS FAR AND WIDE…~ YOU MUST WAKE UP~

    Obama Signs NDAA Martial Law located on Also: 2011 Dec 20 Extract; Benjamin Fulford English Message!

    post this on liberty alert standing up to the fed

    • Flashy

      Hey look ! I see a squadron of black helicopters with UN troops in them !

      FYI..Obama signed the law and attached a signing statement that he intended not to implement said provision. Such practice was sued rarely by sitting Presdients up through 1980. up to then, it was used 75 times the first being by Munroe. It has been viewed by a majority of Constitutional scholars as being unConstitutional enforcement of Presidential duties but never challenged in the courts. George Bush II issued over 500 “signing statements’ during his eight years, the next highest usage being Ronald Reagan, Bush I then Clinton. Obama has issued 18 to date. The least since Carter.

      The most controversial uses of “signing statement’s” were by Bush II who accompanied the statements with ‘explanations” which in effect reversed the statutory language.

      In theory they carry no weight of law after the term of the signing President as they are only announcements of intent by the sitting administration.

      there you have it…the provisio won’t be enforced for at least another 5 years. think Congress will repeal it or not have it in the next reauthorization?

      • eddie47d

        Keep them facts coming Flashy. They need to hear them now more than ever. There are those here that truly believe in the Constitution and then there are those who only want their own little utopia. Seldom do you hear “One for all and all for one” yet they SAY they want a UNITED States.

        • Flashy

          Sometimes it gets difficult Eddie..there are some wild ones ya gotta admit. I still haven’t been able to find anything disproving the claim that Santa is actually Satan in drag. Seriously, there is a religious organization that has taken the letters S A N T A and noticed they are the same as in Satan…thus, by their logic…Santa is evil.

    • Angel Wannabe

      2centsworth__good links, I’ve been reading fulford for the last several months.

  • Mike

    Amazing. Didn’t think there were any local officials left anywhere who actaully think that the Constitution says what it means and means what it says. Am even more amazed that they have the grace and guts to stand up and defend themselves against the Communist dictatorship that we call the U.S. Government. May God bless them and may their tribe increase!

  • ranger hall

    Nice artical, mostly good comments from readers such as Al Sieber and Em Ross. States and there Counties have powers that the Fed govt does not have the Power to unsurp…. BUT over many many years the feds have ben using tax payers money to BUY off these States and Counties and Cities And also the people in office. IN THE form OF GRANTS. ALL of our States,Counties and Cities Should not accept these Grants. Eliminate all influance from the Feds. To many of our State County and Cities are bowing down to the fear that the Feds Push.EXAMPLE would be the County Sheriff in TEXAS when the VP shot a person with a shotGun.Took a couple of Days for InterviEws. Sheriff should have investigated for DRINKING, DRUGS eTC.rIGHT AWAY. sHERIFF fAILED TO DO HIS dUTY TO THE PEOPLE OF HIS cOUNTY. WHY WHY WHy The Sheriff should be prosecuted for failure to inforce the Law.

  • Oenomaus

    My hat goes off to these people. The real blame lies with the international banksters who own these conscienceless career politician turds from both parties the Democrats and the Republicrats.

    We need a real third political party that is beholden to the people.Until we end the fed and dismantle the IRS the federal beast will continue to throw its weight around.

    Viva individual states rights.

    • Aurelio

      If republicans blow it in this election by choosing the unelectable, and we are stuck four more years with the arrogant community organizer, then we will see a third party movement that could be the only way out of this cesspool.

  • Tom

    Having lived half my life in the great state of New Mexico I look at this story with a juandiced eye. Sure the southern half of the state is great but also sparsely populated. It has a very good Congressman, Steve Pearce, and its largest city is less than 200,000. Half or more of the land of NM is owned by the Fed. Its fantastic that people are standing up to these lunatics. If you consider the northern half then that’s a different story. There you have Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Both are overflowing with liberals, and assorted nuts and flakes. When the fedgov says jump, THEY JUMP! If you think the Santa Fe ring was stopped before NM became a state, you should check it out now.I think its great that folks stand up to the fed nincompoops but, they will receive NO HELP (from the rest of the state) if the gov pushes harder! The more things change the more they stay the same!

  • Tom

    Hey Ranger Hall where was the sheriff in Waco when Clinton ordered the BATFE to kill 70+ people?

  • Angel Wannabe

    Yeeee…..Hawwwwww!__What A CHRISTMAS GIFT!!!!__ a woman none the less with testicular Fortitude to stand up to the Fed!!!!!___WAY TO GO!!!!

  • william


  • Poverty

    Wake up America!, our children and our grandchildren are at sleep. They have been brainwashed at school, not to speak up for what they know, to be right! Don’t make waves, they say, go back to sleep. As they fall into the new socialist/marxism regime. Every law passed now in reform, does far more damage to our way of life. Read what you sign, as the damage done, is far more severe then meets the eye!!!Hillary and Obama believe you won’t, wake up!!!


    The left is on the run and to many right minded people are going after the liars on the left. The refusal of this WH occupier to comply with the Constitution and produce a valid BC, produce credible validity as to who he really is, I have never seen a verified court document to show that he even legally changed his name from Barry Sotero to BHO. If anyone has access to this document then put it on the internet.
    Arpaio is a right minded man and is one of those who is scaring the hell out of the left and their liars by going after those credentials of the Mysery Man, he will not be the mystery we know for much longer due to this pressing search for his credibility and the latest states using eligiblity laws to force all politicians to be properly vetted and show their BC and credentials to legally hold office. It’ about frigging time the law stood it’s ground and forces this fraud and his ilk into showing their true colors. Re-Pare America.

  • Tom

    “There are not fifty ways of fighting, there’s only one, and that’s to win. Neither revolution nor war consists in doing what one pleases.”
    Andre Malraux

    • Flashy

      errrr…wasn’t Andre Malraux known as the Great Pretender? From his days during WWII, his subsequent years, his “meetings” with Stalin and Mao etc? As in…none of it ever happened and it was all a fabrication? I seem to recall him being labeled as nuttier than Grandma’s holiday fruitcake …

  • david andrews

    not ony should N.M. band together against these bullies, but all states, every amrican need to band together and show our goverment that enough is enough. we pay our land taxes,so we should be able to do what we want to with it and have a say in what not to do with it! if the governmet want’s to pay our morgage and taxes then they should have a word in what should happen to our property, but I don’t think thats going to happen any time soon!

  • Buck

    I can’t help but wonder when and if the rest of the “United States ” are going to grow big enough testicles to stand up to the unconstitutional renegade government in Washington DC . I sure wish my state of North Carolina had this much courage . We have a few , but not enough of them to make a stand and in fact many are downright Obamass worshippers .

  • Aurelio

    Larry, if only we could educate every American, or rather, every honest and patriotic American with this article, we’ll surely get back our country. It is time to wake up and smell the coffee, these liberals out there will try by every possible means to destroy our nation!

  • H. D. Schmidt

    However, the position anybody takes on the issue of guns, the Founding Fathers made it very clear that all of them were furiously opposed for America to now have its Imperialistic Militarism circling the globe. However, they made it also abundantly clear that every respectfull US citizen should have the right to wear arms. As a matter of fact one of them made it also crystal clear that America cannot have both at the same time. So, it seems to me that as long as our unconstitutional military machine circles the globe and actually ending up making America the scarcrow of planet earth so to speak, privates citizen as a nation cannot or will never ever allowed to bear arms! Yes, here and there a Sherriff does his thing, and in essence also making himself the scarecrow of the homeland where very few do the right! Is very evident that the very Federal Government does not want arms in the hands of every citizen, because it/they believe that Imperialistic Militarism is all that America need to protect itself! In summary, our very Federal Government under either party ends up to be the worst enemies of the Founding Fathers of this once great nation. In closing these words spoken some 70 years or so ago: “I am very concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much becasue of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within”. By General Douglas MacArthur. Yes, indeed all past Empires self-destructed from within and if anybody does not think that the USA is now unto that same road, had better wake up and smell the coffee, and if not soon a 180 degree turn around is made, hell will also be happy to receive good old USA.

    • Flashy

      Just out of curiousity, when you refer to the Founding fathers…which ones are you referring to? The signers of the Declaration of Independence, the First Continental Congress, the Second CC, the signers of the Constitution, the first Congress? And is it your contention they ALL agreed? ya sure about that?

      Which is another issue the extremie right has…when they refer to the “Founding fathers”, they have no clue who they are referring to! Ask ‘em ! And they assume that if one stated something somewhere on some subject…the entirety agreed! EGADS…Hamilton and Jefferson both are spinning in their graves with even the thought those two agreed on anything …

  • xerxes

    Great story. Too bad many of the posters support one portion but when it comes to the tax issue fall back into THEIR SOCIAL CONDITIONING. I bet not one of those individuals who questioned the validity of Dr. Ray Seidel’s position on the IRS have even read one sentence of the TAX Code. The tax code which is 100% Constitutional when it is applied correctly. We as a society have been tricked, conned and bullied into providing “false witness statements of taxable activity” against one another through the various forms that are signed and attested to by people who have not even read those forms or what they actually imply.


    The personal income tax is not an excise tax.

    Lately, there is a lot of information, including that from a few attorneys, arguing that the personal income tax is an excise tax. This is not correct, nor is this a legitimate argument, and this short paper is provided to explain why the personal income tax is not properly recognized as an excise, but as a tariff.

    First, both tariffs (imposts) and excises are indirect taxes under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States, which states:

    “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

    Blacks law dictionary tells us that a tariff is a tax, or schedule of rates for a tax, imposed upon foreign goods being imported into the country, or imposed on foreign activity occurring within the United States (America, – including the fifty states).

    The Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 3-5, gives the federal government absolute jurisdiction over all foreign matters, affairs, and agreements with foreign nations, and over foreign persons in the U.S. This is done so that the fifty states may present one consistent face to the world to deal with in trading with the United States, rather than having to keep track of fifty different agreements, depending upon which state they were doing business in. This jurisdiction over foreign affairs gives the federal government the power to tax both imports into, and the foreign activity of foreign nations and persons in, the United States.

    An excise tax, on the other hand, as stated by the Supreme Court in Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 U.S. 107, 31 S.Ct. 342, 349 (1911), are:

    “Excises are taxes laid upon:
    (1.) the manufacture, sale or consumption of commodities within the country,
    (2.) upon licenses to pursue certain occupations, and
    (3.) upon corporate privileges;”

    In further identifying and describing the nature of an excise tax, the court held:

    “.. the requirement to pay such taxes involves the exercise of the privilege and if business is not done in the manner described no tax is payable … it is the privilege which is the subject of the tax and not the mere buying, selling or handling of goods.”
    Flint, supra, at 151 -152

    So we see that excise taxes are taxes on taxable activities involving commodities, the possession of a license (like ATF licenses), and corporate privileges. Excise taxes are not taxes on general occupations (or on the work of citizens conducted by constitutional right), rather than on work conducted under a federal license or corporate banner, or involving commodities.

    Some of the confusion on this issue of “Is it an excise or a tariff ?” comes from the Supreme Court itself. This is because the Court appears in the Stanton decision in 1913, where the court is testing the legitimacy of taxing the income of a mining corporation derived from its mining activities, to uphold the CORPORATE part of the income tax provisions of the tested legislation as an indirect excise. Also, in the Brushaber v. Union Pac. R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1, 36 S.Ct. 236 (1916), the court stated,

    “Moreover in addition the conclusion reached in the Pollock Case did not in any degree involve holding that income taxes generically and necessarily came within the class of direct taxes on property, but on the contrary recognized the fact that taxation on income was in its nature an excise entitled to be enforced as such unless and until it was concluded that to enforce it would amount to accomplishing the result which the requirement as to apportionment of direct taxation was adopted to prevent, in which case the duty would arise to disregard form and consider substance alone and hence subject the tax to the regulation as to apportionment which otherwise as an excise would not apply to it.” Brushaber, supra, at 16-17.

    However, one should carefully note that despite its above referenced reasoning, the Pollock court did not uphold the income tax legislation tested in that case as an excise, but rather struck down the legislation completely as an unconstitutional attempt to tax directly without apportionment. Also, this statement by the Court seems to ignore the fact that “income tax” had already been previously enacted once in 1861 as an “Income Duty” laid on foreign imports, and also as an “Income Duty” on the pay of officers in the employ of the United States, i.e.: the federal government, Union army, or navy.

    So apparently, “income tax” is not simply “in its nature an excise entitled to be enforced as such”, but is actually, only entitled to be enforced in exactly the manner in which it is actually written in the specific piece of legislation being tested by the Court. That legislation generally identifies itself what type of tax the income tax laid by that specific piece of legislation is deemed to be.

    So, what we really see, is that any income tax laid by any specific piece of legislation, is not necessarily an excise tax, because each specific piece of legislation must itself be carefully examined to correctly identify the true nature of the tax laid by that legislation, without assuming anything about the nature of that tax or type of tax in previous pieces of legislation, or previous legislative attempts that were rejected, like in Pollock.

    So what does the Supreme Court tell us about the income tax legislation tested in 1913? The first sentence of the Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co, 240 U.S. 1 (1916), states,

    “As a stockholder of the Union Pacific Railroad Company, the appellant filed his bill to enjoin the corporation from complying with the income tax provisions of the tariff act of October 3, 1913.” Brushaber, supra, at 9

    Here the court clearly tells us that when dealing with the provision of the income tax, we are dealing with the provisions of a tariff (specifically, the Underwood-Simmons Tariff Act). Tariff acts do not lay excise taxes applicable in the fifty states, they generally lay and impose a tax in the form of a tariff on foreign goods or foreign activity entering the U.S, or as an impost in the form of a duty on income, as was done in 1861. Tariffs on foreign goods and imposts on foreign activity, however, do not tax domestic activity in the fifty States.

    So let us examine, how the tax is implemented in the law, and contrast that with what we know about each of the two types of indirect taxes at issue here.

    First of all the income tax is laid on the “taxable income” of “individuals” under Section 1. Excise taxes are not laid on “taxable income”, or “individuals”, according to the Supreme Court in the Flint decision identified above, but on: 1 – commodities, 2 – licenses, and 3 – (corporate) privileges. Is “taxable income” a commodity, a license or a corporate privilege? No it is not. But could there be “taxable income” in regards to a duty to pay a TARIFF on foreign activity? As was already done once before by the federal government?

    Excise taxes are not laid on “individuals” or “taxable income”, but is laid on the taxable activities identified in law (ATF licenses, gasoline fuels, etc.). Excise taxes are not graduated, and do not have tax “brackets” for different groups of persons, because under the Constitution the excise tax must be uniform. Excise taxes are not dependent upon nationality, residence, or citizenship (or lack thereof) for their collection, as the collecting the tax at the source is dependent upon being effected by the withholding of tax only from non-resident foreign persons. Excise taxes are imposed on everyone involved in the taxable activity, not just foreign persons. A tariff on the other hand only applies to foreign goods and foreign NON-RESIDENT activity.

    Next, the excise taxes under U.S law are contained and codified as the provisions of Subtitles D and E of Title 26. The income tax is in Subtitle A, and in fact, Subtitle A is, in its entirety, simply the codification of the original Underwood-Simmons Tariff Act of October 3, 1913 identified by the Supreme Court in the first sentence of the Brushaber decision, and nothing more. There is no domestic “excise”, deceptively, intentionally hidden inside the tariff act. Again, Subtitle A contains the tariff act and its provisions, and Subtitles D and E contain the excise taxes laid under U.S. law. The income tax is in Subtitle A, laid as a tariff that is collected at the source by federal tax collectors in the form of Withholding Agents who shift the burden of the tax they pay from themselves to the subject persons from whom the tax is collected by withholding money as tax from payments made to those subject persons. The income tax is not contained in Subtitle D or E with the other excises.

    Finally, if the income tax were in fact an excise, its provisions would not specify different treatment for subject persons based on nothing other than residency or citizenship. An excise is collected from everyone engaged in the identified taxable activity, without exception, in order to be uniform in its operation as required by the Constitution. Excise taxes do not provide for different treatment of persons based on citizenship or where they reside. If they engage in the taxable activity, they pay the excise regardless of where they reside or who they are. Ask anyone with a liquor license.

    So, when we see that the Withholding Agents are required to deduct and withhold income tax only from foreign persons in the form of non-resident alien individuals and foreign corporations, but not from resident aliens or domestic corporations involved in the same activities, we can readily recognize that this is not an excise on taxable activity, but a tariff on foreign activity conducted in the United States, laid as a duty imparted on domestic entities to collect the federal income tax from foreign subject persons (see 26 U.S.C. Sections 1441, 1442, 1443). Again, as soon as the non-resident (alien) becomes a resident (alien), the collection at the source of income tax by withholding from his or her pay terminates completely and is ended, because U.S. residents are not required by law to pay a tariff on their domestic activity or earnings.

    If the income tax was in fact an excise tax, this differentiation of treatment of the two foreign parties would not exist in the law. It only exists to properly limit the application of the tariff ONLY to foreign activity, and never to DOMESTIC. As soon as the non-resident alien individual becomes a resident, his economic activity is removed from the jurisdiction of the federal government over foreign affairs, and is moved under the jurisdiction of the State in which the alien now resides. As activity under the domestic jurisdiction of a State, the “income” earned by the resident alien is no longer subject to collection at the source by withholding of the federal income tax tariff that he/she was subject to as a foreign person conducting foreign activity under the jurisdiction of the federal government, as a non-resident alien.

    That would not be true if the income tax were an excise tax – which doesn’t care if you are resident or non-resident, domestic or foreign, only that you engaged in the activity taxed by the excise legislation. Only a tariff differentiates between foreign and domestic activity to determine subjectivity to the tax.

    THE INCOME TAX PROVISIONS IN THE LAW ARE STILL THE ORIGINAL TAXING PROVISIONS of the (Underwood-Simmons) TARIFF ACT (of October 3, 1913). As such the personal income tax laid in Subtitle A IS A COLLECTED TARIFF, NOT AN EXCISE. If there had ever been another law enacted by Congress, expanding or replacing the income tax provisions of the original tariff act, THERE WOULD BE SOME OTHER CASE besides Brushaber (and Stanton) addressing the constitutionality of the (new) tax. There are no such intervening Supreme Court cases because there has never been a new law that changed the original implementation of the original tariff act. So, no other challenges to the law were ever necessary, or allowed. Unfortunately now, those original, standing, controlling Supreme Court decisions are just ignored by the federal courts, because they are no longer understood by the courts (making a distinction between personal and corporate taxation), who cannot understand (or admit) the monstrous travesty perpetrated on the American people across the last 65 years of de-facto federal tax collection and enforcement operations, since the nationalistic patriotic fervor of the American people after the end of World War II led to their allowing the direct withholding of federal taxes from their pay WITHOUT STATUTORY SUBJECTIVITY TO THE SUBTITLE A INCOME TARIFF TAX ever existing in law.

    As the saying goes “reading is fundamental” too bad the vast majority are too lazy, too uneducated, or too frightened or too comfortable to care.


  • Ben Robinson

    Great! The same Kennedy was talking about and was trying to stop. The secret society.The Feds and CIA get to big as they say for their pants. Has me even wondering if they did not have something to do with Lincoln’s death too as Booth may well have been just another Oswald patsy??? Kennedy had listened to 5 star General Douglas McArthur’s advice and quickly corrected his mistake of even sending a small number of troops to Nam. His exe. order was sent to halt any action of war there and have the troops come home and let the north and south Vietnam hopefuly settle things with diplomacy but he was killed off my LBJ and his boys in Texas and the CIA and HE REVERSED Kennedy’s order and actually started the war and sent many troops to later come back in body bags….I do not think he cared as his buddies were making money off the war selling arms to the gov. Jack Ruby knew Oswald as they did a gun deal or so and that is why Jack Ruby one of LBJs gofers wanted him snuffed. Go to YOU Tube you can see Kennedys body guard to his righ shrug his shoulders several times as if to say WTF??? They were ordered off so the CIA could get clear shots unlike in Tampa,Fl Nov.18,1963 where they are all in place protecting the president so you can see Kennedy did not order them off just to get more votes as some numbnuts stated. See also Hunt’s death bed confession(former CIA)and LBJ’ former mistress saying LBJ told her the night before the murder that Kennedy would never humiliate him again and he said that is not a threat it is a promise. Bobby Kennedy asked LBJ later…Why did you have my brother killed? Bush sr was part of the CIA then and NIXON knew about the plot. He said the warren commission was the biggest hoax in history. You can hear his recently released taped phone message as well as LBJ calling Ford asking for a favor and getting it later.Jerry had no choice as LBJ had put him on the warrent commission years earlier.Check it all out. TRUE we have to watch out and also let others know of Gov.tricks.

  • Ben Robinson

    I think you are refering to Jefferson’s personal letter and not to the constitution as the constitution does not say anything of seperation of church and state to my knowledge. Many people over the ages have mixed them both up.

  • Ben Robinson

    I think you need to check as one of many of the “founding fathers” Ben Franklin did not even have to pay income taxes in his day. They were FREE. They did not get away from the tax tyrant in England just to come to Free American then to put their necks back in the tax noose. Come on people. Wise up.

  • Allene Hulett

    Some clear thinking analysts of our current situation have said that the basis of this country’s skewed government is that the anti-monopoly laws have not been enforced. The monopoly’s stranglehold on our elected representatives, the courts, regulatory agencies is ASTOUNDING! If we do not take back this tool all our attempts to bring about change are no more than “gumming” them to death.

  • Mario Gingras

    Joim the info war and pass the word america is wakeing up slowly we need tospeed up the wakening because we have them running scared thats why they are pushing there agenda full force.Hillary said we are in a information war and we are loosing that war.

  • Ted Daniels

    Some other Sheriffs are also taking action

    Ted Daniels

  • Bill Howard

    Maybe this country should start looking toward Arizona, when we try to find a candidate for the Presidency. The kind of gumption those guys have shown is just what we need in our elected officials in Washington DC.

  • Mike

    Go New Mexico, I hope everyone gets the hint and starts taking initiative nationwide. Remember on election day RON PAUL is the only presidential candidate that would roll back big daddy fed govt and let local and state power govern what’s their’s

  • Bono

    Where their exists a will, there is always a way to harness the beast lest he will devoure you. Compliance is only a 10 letter word.

  • Henry Stock

    Will you please verify that section about what portion of the U.S. Code that Dr. Seidel used to protect himself. I just tried to look up Title 42 Chapter 1, sub chapter 1 and I don’t see anything that make me think that it could be used as you have described. Here is the URL I followed:—-000-.html

    I like hear about people standing up to bureacrats, but I also try to check out the articles. Please send me a valid link to that portion of the code that he actually used.

  • Dave

    I have said it once before Mit Romney almost hit the bullseye yet miss the target completly when he said “the goverment is broken” No the goverment is not broken it is run by corrupt people. There is a simple solution We The Peopel need to put forth a Balot proposal that requires every one in the Congress to adhear to all laws that they pass, and make it retroactive for say, 20 years, removing any statute of limitations. Call it the, All Men are created Equal, ballot. Anyone found to have broken laws are to face a ‘Citizens Cort and Judge” with the punishment to follow the law at the time of the crime and any benifits recieved from the breaking of the law to be removed with intrest and returned to the debt of the country. if the have hidden the assets then take thier asets and those that have benifited from the unlawfull actions. See simple.

  • Dave

    Sorry this would include ALL goverment rules, such as the fact that goverment employees cah set up private SS accounts and wee can’t ECT…

  • dl johnson

    The original plan was that the States were the tax payers and the Federal Government was the ‘State’ for people in the possessions and territories. The only definition that I have found in Federal law for income is an 1885? Supreme Court decision that labeled lawyers fees as ‘income’.

    That the money flow has been reversed and goes to the States depending on seniority and effectiveness of representation seems to be the start of the malfunction.

    Better than term limits might be paycheck limits – the Government could issue 12 years of pay without a special bill for each check. No amendments or riders. No exemptions. That would root out empire building rogues like j edgar as well as most of the ‘sold’ people.

    We have the best Congress money can buy – problem is they won’t stay sold.

  • Pr. Ron

    What about the TSA now? Is New Mexico doing anything about this personal invasion?


    Date: 12/28/2011 11:13:35 AM
    To: undisclosed-recipients
    Subject: [catapultthenwopolicestatedepopulation] More about the Constitutional Sheriff Conference and we need your help!!

    We are having trouble getting contact information on many of the sheriffs in the various states. If you are able to help us with this, it would be fantastic!! We need the county, sheriff’s name, address if you have it, phone number and email address. It is vitally important to get these as soon as possible so that we can get the invitation out to all of them. Please, if you have this information for your entire state, it would be super. Someone told me that he, at one time, had a list for sheriffs for the whole country but cannot find it. We have lists of some of the states but most of them, we do not.

    Please help us with this. We have placed the invitation on the web site,, at the bottom of the page. You may print it off and hand it to your sheriff just to make sure he/she was not overlooked. Encourage him/her to attend. We have some sheriffs who were sent the invitation already and claim not to have received it. Our system is not perfect. However, we are doing our best and have some outstanding people onboard helping. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

    Fortunately, there are many people who can see how important this project is. Unfortunately, there are not enough of you who understand just how important this project is. If we can get enough sheriffs onboard and in alignment with the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it could apply enough pressure around the country to all the others who are yet non-compliant and still status quo. You may be surprised at how many sheriffs and even governors who are unaware that the State’s power/authority supercedes that of the US government.

    If you all understood how important this project is, we would not still be groveling for donations and working so hard to get exposure. There are a handful of us who have put a tremendous amount of time into this effort. It is an effort that will benefit EVERYONE of us. This is one of those things that in order for us to fix it, we must fix it for everyone and not just ourselves.

    Tom Woods, Joe Bannister and others are going to be part of the educational platform at the convention. All the sheriffs who have been standing up against the federal government are going to be attending and many of them will be speaking. I cannot stress enough the importance of this conference and getting your sheriff to it. Getting Constitutional sheriffs and getting them informed is critical to bringing our country back under control and in the hands of the People. Now this is a private conference by invitation only but on Tuesday, the day after the conference, there is a public meeting scheduled at the hotel to brief the public about the conference.

    The federal and even state governments are trying to figure out ways to neuter our county sheriffs. In Connecticut, the state legislature voted to remove elected sheriff positions. So Connecticut doesn’t even have sheriffs. Some governments are cutting their sheriff’s salaries to poverty levels trying to force them out. I heard that some salaries have been cut to $26,000 annually for a sheriff!!!!!! How insulting is that??

    This is sooooo important that I cannot even articulate its importance. The time available to get something done is collapsing quickly. Your support in this matter is absolutely crucial!!!! Please help get this information out!




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