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New Evidence Bolsters Zimmerman’s Claims

May 17, 2012 by  

New Evidence Bolsters Zimmerman’s Claims
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George Zimmerman is out on $150,000 bail.

New evidence has been discovered which adds credibility to George Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.

Zimmerman admits that he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, but he claims he acted in self-defense.

Medical records obtained by ABC News reveal Zimmerman suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and two lacerations on the back of the head. Furthermore, the record shows that Zimmerman had a bruised upper lip and cheek. He also suffered back pain.

The prosecution will likely emphasize that Zimmerman did not suffer a concussion, he did not need hospitalization, and he declined to make follow-up appointments with either a psychologist or an ear, nose and throat doctor, although he was advised to do so.

New information has also surfaced about Martin. WFTV in Sanford, Fla., obtained autopsy results which reveal the only injuries suffered by Martin, other than the gunshot wound, were to his knuckles.

Legal analysts note that the new evidence is in favor of the defense.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Medical evidence can work both ways. Okay, Zimmerman did receive injuries in his struggle with Martin. However, can the medics say for certain that he didn’t receive them from Martin who was defending himself from Zimmerman’s attack? I don’t know the answer to that. No one except Zimmerman knows the real answer. It may be that everything Zimmerman says is the truth. It may also be that he is lying his ass off. We can’t go by what we hear from the media. They have their own agenda on everything. They absolutely can not be trusted. Most of them seem to be taking the side of the prosecution against Zimmerman. They’ve already found him guilty and are already tying the hangman’s knot.

    • http://personalliberty.com MC

      Yes, in the heat of it all, he decided to break his own nose.

      • Scott in SC

        To save his hide? It’s possible.
        None of these injuries were documented the night of the murder by the police. It was supposedly found by his private doctor the next day and then not released until 3 months later. Where’s the x-rays? Where’s the photo’s? No impartial witnesses, just friends and family.
        Reminds of of the movie “Dirty Harry” when the killer pays a thug to beat him up and then blames Harry.

      • Steve E

        For those of us with the preconceived notion that Zimmerman is guilty: It should be so obvious to them that Zimmerman was beating Travon;s fist with his face. This is a technique that the OSW crowd needs to learn, also.

      • Scott in SC

        Steve,
        I have no preconceived notion that Zimmerman is guilty. I’m just asking questions. It’s called being objective. Unfortunately, the case has become so racially charged that getting truthful answers at this point will be difficult.
        As a responsible gun owner I don’t go looking for trouble and a chance to shoot someone because i know it would have an adverse effect on “castle doctrine” and “stand your ground” laws. Zimmermans past suggests he was quick to use violence.

      • RP

        Break his own nose? This is ridiculous. There wasn’t enough time for GZ to inflict that much damage to himself. Why would he need to in the first place? There was an eye witness that saw the fight going on with TM on top of GZ. During the time the witness was calling 911, the shot was heard in the phone conversation. The fight was over and GZ simply waited for the police to arrive.

        There are lapses of just a couple minutes that weren’t covered by the 911 tapes. Most of the events that GZ had described have been verified in the tapes. If the events aren’t as GZ described, the only way to disprove him is to have some forensic eveidence. There were no other witnesses to see the whole incident. Without any other evidence, the only story that can be used is that of GZ.

        This story was hyped the way it was for the reelection of BO. They thought they had found the perfect story for more gun control and to get the black vote in his pocket. Eric Holder is in trouble with “Fast and Fourious”. The media was needed to divert attention away from his troubles and focus people’s attention back to eliminating self-defense laws and gun confiscation. This was thought to have the racist narrative they needed with with a crazed man with a gun. It has been neither. The media went full force to stir this story up and get racial tensions to a fever pitch. They brought in their “hate-mongering”, race baiters of Sharpton, Jackson, Farahkon, and the NBP, thinking they had this story and conviction in the bag. Even BO had to get a jab in the situation. You can even think the media is trying to keep things stirred up by the selection of the phot used of GZ in this article. Isn’t this sinister to have GZ smiling in court, when he is being tried for murder? I guess if a man being tried for murder is never supposed to have a moment where he could have a weight lifted off of his toughts, to have an occassional smile. Funny how OJ was never shown with his care-free attitude, before the cameras were turned on. This man made a mockery of the justice system.

        As the evidence started to come in, they found there were holes in their story. CNN had to retract statements about the 911 tape where they said a racial slur was heard. There was nothing on the tapes to support their claims. NBC was caught editing the tapes to try to show there was some sort of racial profiling going on. A couple low ranking people were fired, but no apology has been given. Their “perfect storm” story was falling apart, until they got GZ to be unlawfully charged with murder. The longer evidence comes in to verify GZ’s story, the worse the media looks.

        Now the problem is how can the media get the egg off their face? There have been incidents of racial beatings by blacks on whites that have been swept under the rug. At least two of the incidents have been by a gang of blacks of 20 or more people against one or two whites. There is always the statement by the police that they don’t think the attacks were racially motivated, even when one of the attackers will say something like, “This is for Trayvon!”.

        I think that Sharpton, Jackson, the other racists, the media, and even BO himself should be sued for their participation in this incident. They have ruined the life of GZ and his family for years to come. This story should never have gotten the press it has received. If there is any violence in responce to GZ found not guilty, all of those parties should be held personally responsible for their actions and the actions taken by rioters. None of the race baiters have called for calm and restraint and feel they have nothing to appoligize for. It is time for these people to pay for the hurt they have caused to this country. By suing these people, it will make them think about getting involved in puposely distorting the truth for political and monetary gains. That is the way they took the power from the KKK. Why not do it to the Black KKK?

      • JeffH

        Scott says “None of these injuries were documented the night of the murder by the police.”

        Did you read the police report? I did and yes, it was noted by the police that Zimmerman did have “visible” injuries.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        When do does the lame stream media stop showing a picture of him at 12 or 13 years old when he wasn’t? MC, at least he had brains enough to think of that? What’s your excuse for believing everything put out there by a biased media?

      • http://Comcast JimBob

        Flash! The autopsy revealed drugs in poor little trayvon’s system. Just another po boy tryin’ to get by in whitey’s world, eh Jesse? I wonder if there was any speed that can make people ultra-violent? Just askin.’

      • just sayin

        It is clear to ANYONE that Zimmerman smashed Martin’s knuckles with his nose first, then spun around, bounced the back of his head off the ground to create the lacerations, but only in a move to get free so he could look closer at Martin’s fists before he pulled his gun! THis, all so he could hide the fact that he really wanted to shoot him! Anyone can see this! The reason he has a bruised lip and cheek was from the recoil of the weapon! Why can’t anyone see this obvious scenario?

    • eddie47d

      The news today (Local paper) says that there was police misconduct and a very poor investagation from the get go. Since all evidence wasn’t properly sought or handled correctly there could be a bigger monkey wrench thrown into the mix. I don’t see a clear “victory” for any side of this crime.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        Since when is self defense a crime? If someone is beating me half to death and I can stick a large piece of high velocity lead in him…It’s going to happen. And I don’t give flying sh– what color they are.

      • RP

        You sir are once again listening to a media that is trying to CYA. What was mishandled by the police? You have an altercation that resulted in a self-defense shooting. The police were already on their way to the scene because of the suspicious nature being displayed by TM. The neighborhood had previous trouble with break-ins and GZ called in a report to 911 for the assisstance by police to check a suspicious indivdual.

        While trying to help the police in finding a more accurate address for the officers to come to, the complantant was attacked by the suspicious person. After a few moments of the fight, there were unanswered cries for help by the complantant. In an act of desperation, he shot the attacker in self-defense.

        There was evidence backing up the story of the person attacked with injuries suffered during the attack. There was the 911 tape of incident that verified the claims of the shooter. There was no phone call from TM to 911 stating he was being followed or he thought his life was in danger. There was only one shot fired, that stopped the fight. There was the use of deadly force, but not excessive force. The person attacked had his injuries attended to by EMTs on the scene. His red sweater was taken for froensic evidence.

        It is later found out that TM was suspended from school for having contraband in his locker. The contraband shows TM has stolen property, burglar tools, and durgs. This only gives more evidence to police as to the possible motive for Tm being in the neighborhood and acting in the way he did. So where was the investigation mishandled? Do you think that Miami CSI is supposed to be called in because the media thinks there is something that they can use for racial propaganda?

        The media just wants you to think there is something that was a travesty because there is something they can use for political advantage and they need some cover for their mishandling the story.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        What crime?

      • eddie47d

        Fancy reporting there RP. TM was talking to his girlfriend while being followed and she heard bits and pieces of Z’s comments. Please stay out of news reporting because you certainly don’t have the whole story.

      • JeffH

        Take some of your own advice hypocrit…and neither do you eddie, as much as you’d like to feel(because you don’t think) you do…You can’t be fixed and you know it!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

      • eddie47d

        Another voice (echo) heard from who doesn’t give a hoot about the whole truth only what favors his political position.

      • JeffH

        Sure eddie, you’re always right…I mean left…well, at least you’re well known as an idiot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw that can’t be fixed.

    • HOFFHACK

      First of all, the Para-Medics who treated “Z” at the scene stated “He was battered and bloody” There are 2 eyewitnesses who saw “TM” on top of “Z” beating him and pounding his head into a concrete sidewalk!! There are eyewitnesses who stated that “Z” was walking back to his vehicle (in the rain and dark) when “TM” sprang from hiding and attacked “Z” from behind (“TM” 6′ 1″ and 200lbs. vs “Z” 5’8″ 165lbs.) and decked “Z” with one punch, jumped on him and was beating the you know what out of him when he got shot!!! You people have to get that 12 year old picture out of your head and realize this guy, while only 17, out classed “Z” in every way physically! He was a High school linebacker for pete’s sake, and to suggest that “Z” attacked him just will not wash with the evidence! “Z” is covered with wounds, and the only wounds on “TM” are on his fists!!! Time to wake up and smell the “JAVA” folks!! If ever there was a slam dunk case of self defense, this is it, and once his Attorney makes a motion to Dismiss, don’t be surprised if the Judge, After seeing “ALL THE EVIDENCE” does not throw the case out!!! Now the Judge may not have the guts to do the right thing what with Sharpton and Jackson wailing and whinning, but there is no chance of them getting a Murder 2 or even manslaugther from a Florida Jury. They are not going to get away with “Weighting” the jury either! It only takes 1 not guilty vote for a hung jury! And I predict that will happen time after time no matter how they try to jerrymander the composition of the jury! If “Z” did not look like a white guy and have a Jewish sounding name, this case would never have made the papers!

      • Kinetic1

        The medical evidence surly does seem to support a self defense case, but it fails to take into account that Zimmerman was provoking Martin. The 911 call clearly presents Zimmerman as someone who was going to hunt down this guy no matter what the police told him. And while I agree that Martin should have just avoided Zimmerman, it appears that Zimmerman may not have given up until there was some sort of confrontation. Unarmed and being stalked, I might have chosen to turn the tables and attack too.

      • Randy G

        I am still wondering why(?) – If a black person or persons attack whites, it’s not Racist BUT if a white attacks a Black it is Racist?

      • just sayin

        kinetic1 And you would end up dead too and I hope your mother doesn’t whine! Stay in your own neighborhood, stay off pot, stay in school and don’t get suspended and transport yourself to a community 200 miles away, and don’t throw the first punch and you probably will NEVER have to be shot dead. That doesn’t mean that a thug like Trayvon Martin will not attack YOU first!

    • Ellen

      We should all know by now that Trayvon was far from an innocent young man. From the beginning, the media used innocent-looking youthful pictures instead of a current picture of a 6’2″ man with a gold grille. If Trayvon was innocently walking home and thought Zimmerman was a threat, why didn’t he just run? Why did he approach Zimmerman and beat him? That’s not a normal response to a threat unless it is your normal way of life. I think Trayvon’s bruised knuckles tell the real story.

      • melatr

        It would also be interesting to discover whether or not the break ins have ceased or diminished.

      • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

        A pair of swinging fists, attached to a 6’2″ person who at 175-200 pounds very easily out weighed George Zimmerman, are very Lethal and very Deadly weapons that can easily kill and probably would have killed George Zimmerman if he had hesitated to reach for his gun and shoot before he was knocked out unconscious and then subsequently beaten to death by an enraged get revenge at any price young 17 year old 6’2″ possibly 175-200 pound very physically strong extremely rabidly viciously violent Trayvon Martin who was a Football Linebacker at his High School. After walking back to his vehicle as ordered by the police despatcher on the telephone, Zimmerman was either knocked or pushed to the ground from behind by a SNEAKY COWARDLY get revenge Trayvon Martin, and instead of running away after knocking or pushing George Zimmerman to the ground, Trayvon Martin then violently pinned or straddled Zimmerman with Zimmerman’s back and entire body pinned on the wet grass and Trayvon Martin needed only a few seconds to inflict a broken nose, two black eyes, bruises to Zimmermans upper lip and cheek and inflicting laceration injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s skull as Trayvon Martin repeatedly violently and viciously slammed the back of Zimmerman’s skull onto the concrete sidewalk. So that is NOT “Stand Your Ground” Self Defense, and INSTEAD that is “Lay On Your Ground” Self Defense with the very quickly disappearing option of reaching for your gun(if you are fortunate enough to be carrying a gun) to shoot your attacker as he is violently pinning you flat on your back and savagely, brutally and viciously beating you, and survive and Live OR INSTEAD just continue to Lay there being violently pinned or straddled flat on your back with an enraged get revenge at any price young out of control raving rabidly viciously violent Trayvon Martin Maniac beating you with his pair of very Lethal and very Deadly fists and repeatedly violently, brutally, savagely and viciously slamming the back of your skull onto the concrete sidewalk because you are much more worried about the Legal or the illegal ramifications of shooting a 6’2″ 175-200 pound 17 year old physically very strong enraged extremely rabidly viciously violent young Trayvon Martin Maniac who is illegally and violently pinning you or straddling you flat on your back and is easily physically overpowering you and who has your entire Life held literally between his two very Lethal and very Deadly pair of swinging fists and his ability to repeatedly very violently and viciously slam the back of your skull onto the concrete sidewalk. And yes, you might also need to hire your own self defense Lawyer if you shoot in self defense and survive the violent attack, if you kill or severely wound the violent attacker and self defense Lawyers can be very expensive if you want to stay out of prison or avoid capital punishment execution by Lethal injection, the electric chair(which is finally being brought back into use by one or 2 States) or possibly the gas chamber. So as you are being beaten by a pair of very Lethal and very Deadly fists and the back of your skull is being violently, brutally, savagely and viciously slammed onto the concrete sidewalk, your 2 split second choices to make, as death becomes more and more imminent as the last few seconds or the last one or 2 minutes at most of your Life ticks away, will be either to be viciously beaten to death and kiss your Life goodbye forever OR to shoot in self defense, survive the attack and Live and take your Legal chances in court possibly being Absurdly and Completely Unjustly Accused of Murder and Racism against a Black man. Most normal people who are being physically and violently pinned or straddled flat on their backs and being savagely and viciously beaten by a pair of very Lethal and very Deadly fists along with the back of their skulls being violently, brutally, savagely and viciously slammed onto the concrete sidewalk would reach for their gun like their Life depends on it, because their Life does depend on it, and immediately proceed to quickly empty the magazine at point blank range until the enraged rabidly viciously violent MONSTER on top of them is literally blown off them or falls limp and possibly dead beside them. There are NOT alot of split second Life or Death choices to make when you are being violently attacked by either a brutal, savage and vicious wild Grizzly Bear or if you are being brutally, savagely and viciously violently attacked by an enraged get revenge at any price physically overpowering rabidly viciously violent Trayvon Martin Maniac. The exact same split second decision should be made for both the viciously violent wild Grizzly Bear attacker and the rabid viciously violent Trayvon Martin Maniac attacker. It’s either pull your gun out and start shooting and quickly empty the magazine until the violent attack abruptly stops OR simply do nothing, wait for death to occur and simply and stupidly kiss your Life goodbye forever. If you are in the very quick process of being beaten to death or if you are in the very quick process of being beaten unconscious by any pair of two very Lethal and very Deadly fists, which unconsciousness or death can be inflicted in only a few seconds, perhaps 15 seconds or less, especially if you are Laying flat on your back, resulting at the very least in possible temporary brain damage or possible permanent brain damage, especially if the back of your skull is being repeatedly slammed into the concrete sidewalk and the pair of those two very Lethal and very Deadly fists attached to any Trayvon Martin is the last thing that you may see while you are still living and breathing your last few seconds of air of conscious or unconscious Life on this earth, then you have only a few split seconds to decide to reach for your gun(if you are fortunate enough to be carrying a gun) or just Lay there flat on your back on the wet grass, contemplating and very carefully and very thoroughly assessing and weighing all of the Legal or illegal ramifications of using your Constitutionally guaranteed 2nd Amendment Rights of defending your Life by using your gun while you are in the very quick process of being beaten unconscious or being beaten to death. If the roles and the situation was completely reversed and George Zimmerman was a Black man and Trayvon Martin was a White man, then a Black Man named George Zimmerman who was being violently pinned or straddled flat on his back by a 17 year old 6’2″ 175-200 pound physically very strong High School Football Linebacker enraged get revenge at any price extremely rabidly violent young White man named Trayvon Martin who was using his very Lethal and very Deadly pair of White fists to beat a Black man named George Zimmerman until a Black man named George Zimmerman used his gun and shot the enraged physically overpowering very strong 17 year old rabidly violent young White attacker named Trayvon Martin with one shot to the chest at point blank range in Self Defense or “LAY PHYSICALLY PINNED OR STRADDLED FLAT ON YOUR BACK” Self Defense or “LAY ON YOUR GROUND” Self Defense instead of “STAND YOUR GROUND” Self Defense, then after the police shooting investigation was completed, the police would have ruled the shooting by a Black man named George Zimmerman as a 100% Legal and 100% Justified Shooting In 100% Pure Self Defense with ABSOLUTELY NO CHARGES OF ANY TYPE FILED AGAINST THE BLACK MAN NAMED GEORGE ZIMMERMAN which would have ended up at the back page of any local newspaper as just an isolated incident of a Legal and Justified Shooting in Self Defense and nothing more and nothing less. If George Zimmerman had NOT allowed his human survival instincts and his human self preservation instincts to kick in and guide his split second instinctive and intuitive judgement and had NOT shot Trayvon Martin in self defense and also in self preservation during those last few precious conscious moments or last few conscious seconds of his Life, then George Zimmerman would probably have been beaten unconscious and probably beaten to death and George Zimmerman would be the dead body in the County Morgue and Trayvon Martin would probably be walking around Scott Free and alive and well with nothing more than bruises on his knuckles for the loss of one Dead White Cracker or one Dead Half Cracker/Half Tortilla. Mr. George Zimmerman is an extremely very Lucky man to still be alive, thanks to his very quick instinctive and intuitive and completely reasonable split second Life or Death decision to shoot BEFORE he was beaten until unconscious or dead, Legally carrying his own personal gun with him and the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

    • Jeff

      Paranoid Harold:

      To whom in the media are you referring? There are reporters and there are pundits. The reporters just want to get the story and will print anything they are given. Unfortunately, there seem to be leaks from the Police who have a vested interest in supporting the defense as an acquittal vindicates their lack of investigation. That’s why yiou can’t believe much of what you hear pre-trial. If only one side is leaking, you get a partial story.

      • just sayin

        Harold, You are not a rational thinking person. All along, I have wondered why they don’t just get the coroner’s report to see if there were any injuries to Martin other than his knuckles. If there wasn’t it would be highly unlikely that Zimmerman was lying! He doesn’t act like a liar, like Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson and their ilk. He acts and talks like a person who is telling the truth. You wouldn’t even get a job at the TSA and their security instincts suck!

  • LAB

    MC…good one! Where’s his DADDY Obammy??? Shouldn’t he be leanin’ on those Medical Examiners to create some better evidence against that white hispanic who “murdered” his son???? PLEASE!!! The sonofobama was a GANGBANGER and a THUG!

    • James

      First of all people in the Obama administration or Obama supporters may have erased Trayvon’s social media accounts and blocked school records to save Obama from embarrassment. Obama’s an expert at blocking records. Secondly, the FBI is questioning witnesses and the federal government may charge George Zimmerman with a federal hate crime, which is even worse for him. “He is facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. But if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty of a federal hate crime involving murder, he could face the death penalty.”

      • Jeff

        Come on, James. You can do better than that. Lots of people on this blog compare Obama to Stalin. You think Stalin would need a trial? No way. Or do you think some of the wingnuts on this blog are looney tunes?

    • Jeff

      Another witness and a two-fer: genealogist and gang expert! I assume you have some shred of evidence supporting your gang theory, Professor. To which gang did he belong and how do you reach your highly scientific conclusion?

      • just sayin

        I pray that you never get attacked by a thug like Trayvon Martin. Have you ever watched Ultimate Fighting Championships? Doesn’t take long to pulverize your opponent when being trained on TV all the time. Methinks someone stole your logic button. Sorry for calling you Harold before. Didn’t mean to insult harold for your stupidity.

  • *ussieTEK

    He attacked zimmerman and was killed case closed. Sharpton why not preach stop the voilence to black Americans.

    • eddie47d

      Is that the new lynch mob with your verdict TEK :”Case Closed”. Trayvon was stalked and went to defend himself from harm. He could have taken off running to avoid his pursuer but what would have stopped Zimmerman from shooting anyway. This case is a mess but far from closed.

      • 9mm protection

        Difficult to believe some people are as blind as eddie47d. Sad really…

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie47d, your scenario is idiotic. First of all trayvon wasn’t stalked. He was openly followed by a neighborhood watch person for a short period of time. I know how much liberals like to change the meanings of words but this is ridiculous. If Zimmerman had been stalking trayvon he wouldn’t have called 911. You suggest that if trayvon had run away, Zimmerman would have shot him anyway. If that were the case, again Zimmerman wouldn’t have called 911. The 911 operator told Zimmerman to stop following trayvon. He did. He was returning to his vehicle and then was attacked near his vehicle. Zimmerman gave his account of the events. Witnesses supported his account. Physical evidence supports his account, both on Zimmerman and trayvon. And yet you are still parroting the crap you heard from the idiots who are trying to stir up a race war. There certainly has been no evidence to indicate that Zimmerman just wanted to kill a black person. It is absolute bull! It will be up to a jury to decide but from everything that I’ve heard, it is a travesty that Zimmerman was even charged. It was a decision based on politics, not the truth. And if you think differently tell us what evidence supports your position instead of spouting off racist bull.

      • Average Joe

        9mm protection,

        Overlook eddie, this is just his usual stuff…eddied still thinks the “Great Flood”…was a light drizzle…or a complete fabrication…if you catch my drift.

      • slapjack

        eddie is a Kool Aid drinker from way back when. Just like the rest of his liberal buddies.

      • Oneguess

        Yep, little eddie weddie speaks, again! Good eddie! Now, laydown and play dead.

      • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

        Zimmerman was doing his job of watching and yes following a suspicious person as a neighborhood community night watchman on routine night patrol. Zimmerman did call 911 to report the suspicious person long before any altercation or communication occured between Trayvon and Zimmerman. In the dark, Trayvon could have been anyone including a White person and the 911 dispatch operator did ask Zimmerman questions on the telephone including if Zimmerman could possibly identify the race and the gender of the suspicious person which Zimmerman did to the best of his knowledge at that moment in the dark and rainy conditions.

      • eddie47d

        Zimmerman was following him on the street outside the development. Then he called 9/11 and was told to stand down. He didn’t Nancy so get your facts straight. Once in the community he started to follow him on foot. How would you react if you knew some strange car or strange person was following you? Next time it happens let me know your reaction .In other words Zimmerman could have been anyone to TM and he also reacted to the threat to himself. Also proves that armed persons don’t always get it right and can be dangerous. Another thing Nancy I never said that Z wanted to kill a black person. That was a cheap shot and says alot about your trolling for attention. (misinformation) Another thing the witnesses said that a kid was screaming for help not an adult. So that may still be a factor. Yes 9mm there are alot of “blind people out there” and yes you are sad. .

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Then he called 9/11 and was told to stand down. He didn’t …”

        The only place I have seen it said that Mr Zimmerman didn’t back off when asked by 911 to do so is from those who like you eddie have already tried, convicted, and are ready to sentence Mr Zimmerman.

        Everything I have seen in/on the news either does not indicate what he did or says Mr Zimmerman started back to his vehicle as soon as 911 asked him to.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie47d, you are a jerk! You twist my words around and accuse me of saying things I didn’t say! You said, he didn’t step down. He did! When the 911 operator told him to stop following he stopped and returned to his truck. Zimmerman was attacked near his truck! AND if you listen to the 911 call you can hear that Zimmerman was out of breath and you can hear wind in the cell phone. When the operator tells him to stop following you can tell he has stopped because his breathing slows down and you can no longer hear the wind blowing through the phone. So, YOU get YOUR facts straight! And you ask how I would react if I were being followed? I would speed up and change direction to avoid a confrontation! You said, “Another thing Nancy I never said that Z wanted to kill a black person. That was a cheap shot and says a lot about your trolling for attention. (misinformation)”. I never accused you of any such thing! YOU are a liar!!! In your original comment you said, “He could have taken off running to avoid his pursuer but what would have stopped Zimmerman from shooting anyway.”. I said, “You suggest that if trayvon had run away Zimmerman would have shot him anyway.”. No where did I say that you said Z wanted to kill a black man. Do you just make things up?!? As far as the witnesses…I saw one of the witnesses on TV. He said that Zimmerman was on the bottom and was being beat up by trayvon. He said that Zimmerman was the one screaming. I saw him and heard him say it! He was there! You weren’t! On tonight’s news they said that trayvon’s autopsy showed he was under the influence of marijuana. He had been kicked out of school for drug use. His knuckles were all scraped up from beating Zimmerman. Police reports obtained by ABC news show clear pictures of Zimmermans injuries including a broken nose and cuts on the back of his head. His clothing had grass stains on the back. The truth is coming out and you don’t like it! Well too bad!!! YOU don’t get to change the facts!!! And stop accusing me of saying things I didn’t say!

      • just sayin

        are you really that stupid Eddie? Sounds like the only use of a firearm that noight was proper. Why would Trayvon have even assumed he had a gun? HMMMMMM???? Remember, it was not pulled until long after the assault. He would have had to have been pretty stupid to assault a man he knew had a gun. So why don’t we just throw a wet blanket over you and put you to sleep now.

      • eddie47d

        Then don’t don’t make assumptions about what I say Nancy or imply something about others that is not true. There are several others that are making things up as they go to enhance their support for gun laws or vigilante justice. Hardly a recipe for fairness at any court proceedings either.

  • james thompson

    the scheme team’s first narrative is crumbling like a sand castle at high tide. not to worry it is morphing into; zimmerman profiled and stalked thugvon, ergo he initiated the violence so stand your ground does not apply. look for hate crime to be the excuse to convict. of course private citizens are free to profile, but don’t let the law get in the way of a good lynching.

    • 9mm protection

      thugvon

      Well done!
      :-)

  • lady kroft

    So, is the Stand Your Ground law going to change now that someone stood their ground? Is this what will happen with all concealed weapons laws in all states…once it is used as a defense, they will change the law when a black criminal is shot?

    • Dennis48e

      If Zimmermans version of the events proves to be true the “stand your ground” law wouldn’t apply here anyway. When you are on the ground being beaten by someone retreating is not one of your options. your options are, get beaten more possibly to the point of permant injury or death or fight back with any means you have. Zimmerman chose to fight back.

  • c5ron

    Sounds like Zimmerman has been Tried and Crucified by at least 2 people in this very short discussion! The way I read the article the morning after the Poor Gang Banger, trying to turn his life around (as so, so many do:) was all these injuries were noted by Police but seemed to have disappeared since the Racist (crooked) Al Sharpton & (another crooked & Racist) Jesse Jackson got into the fray! I believe Zimmerman did shoot the Gang Banger in Self Defense! OK, I said my piece, think what you like but Facts are Facts and the real truth will come out about this poor child that was bigger and a real threat to Zimmerman’s LIFE!

  • Sirian

    This lends quite specifically to what I said weeks back – wait for the facts to come out. Let it run it’s normal judicial course from here on out. If it comes to a full trial, a jury of peers will make the final decision.

  • Daveh234

    If I’m walking home and see someone following me and then coming at me, I’d do what Martin did, stand my ground. Too bad he didn’t have the gun.

    • ohoh

      Apparently, Martin may have done more than that.

    • kf

      Remember, Zimmerman was walking away with his back to Martin and Martin jumped him from behind. Zimmerman has the scars to prove it and Jesse and Al cannot do anything to change the facts. How come no mention was made of the REAL RACIST attacks on whites by black mobs screaming justice for Trayvon?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Dave234, you said “coming at me”. Where did you hear that Zimmerman was coming at Martin? Ive never heard any account that indicated that Zimmerman “came at” anyone. I heard that Zimmerman was following Martin until the 911 operator told him to stop. Martin is the one who “came at” Zimmerman. If the truth doesn’t work, do you think you’re allowed to say whatever does? Most people if being followed, would speed up or change direction to try and lose the person following them. Following a person is not against the law but beating the crap out of someone is. Just “thinking” that someone “might” hurt you is not self defense. But having someone beat up on you, is.

      • eddie47d

        At first Z did come after TM and after he was told to stand down.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        He didn’t “come at” trayvon. He was following him. There IS a difference!

      • Daveh234

        Nancy is wrong on the timeline. And to say he was under the influence of Marijuana, that is already considered moot. Extremely low level of THC means he wasn’t high at the time.
        Zimmerman did follow and call more than once, taking the last phone call as proof of his backing down is not enough for him to claim “stand Your Ground”.
        Provoking an incident , which has happened before has struck down the use of that law.

  • Lee Edwards

    There has been a lot of pressure from the Left to get rid of ‘Castle Defense’ or ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws since Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman. Most of this sentiment is being spurred by the liberal media and their incomplete and racially inflammatory coverage of the incident.
    These ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws codify the right of a citizen the right to defend himself, his family, his property and his neighbors against violent or potentially violent criminals. Several states have an ‘affirmative defense’ clause in their laws which apply ONLY to civil cases and protect the defender from prosecution by the assailant. This means that, for example, a burglar cannot sue his victim for damages incurred due to the consequences of his crime. These ‘Affirmative Defense’ clauses must be kept intact.
    Mr. Zimmerman was following Mr. Martin (given) and he was advised by the 911 operator that this was not necessary (also given). The media reporting has intimated that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow Mr. Martin on foot against the advice of the operator.
    The next scene is Mr. Zimmerman returning to his vehicle where he was attacked by Mr. Martin and knocked to the ground. Mr. Martin appeared to be on top and was pounding Mr. Zimmerman’s head into the sidewalk. There has been no mention of a gun up to this point.
    I’m sorry, but if you are pounding my heads into a concrete sidewalk you are trying to do me serious bodily injury. If I have the means and wherewithal do so, I will kill you in defense of my own life. This is where Mr. Zimmerman finally pulled his gun and shot Mr. Martin.
    I realize I don’t have all of the facts in this case, but neither do the legislators trying to do away with Concealed Carry and Stand Your Ground laws. Do not let emotions, political grandstanding or inflammatory racist rhetoric guide your opinions or decisions about Concealed Carry laws. Let all the information be presented in court before judgment is rendered.

    • eddie47d

      Stand your ground is a ridiculous law and has been abused several times. Kill someone you don’t like and claim he attacked you. The State of Florida can do better than that yet will it?

      • just sayin

        Eddy, none of your logic has made any sense so far, so why beat a dead horse? Are you a gang member and you don’t like that you too may be shot if the victim does not back down from your attack? I kind of like hearing every once in a while that a thug gets nailed by someone defending himself. Other thugs tend to learn from it. Ask how many burglaries or assaults there have been in that community in the last few months! I’ll bet they were stopped dead in their tracks and there have been none.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        eddie “stand your ground” does NOT apply here. When you are pinned to the ground getting the sh!t beat out of you running away is not an option. Your options are either continue to let the person beat the sh!t out of you or fight back. Zimmerman chose to fight back.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe so at that moment. Trayvon also felt danger from Z and decided to “fight back”. Where did “fighting back” get either one of these fellows. They both decided that violence was the ultimate solution and it shouldn’t have been.

  • palman

    We have been told that Travon was only cutting through this area, like a short cut. So I want to see evidence if this is credable. Where did Travon start, his house. Where is the store he supposedly went to? to see if this neighborhood was in the middle? I do not understand why no news agency has looked into this. from what I have been able to find it does not seem reasonable that anyone would cut through there from his house to and from the store. Usually, any place that has neighborhood watch has signs. I jsut want to see if he was just cutting through, as I did for a short cut, or if he must have had another reason for being there. Why was Trayvon there? Is short cut Plausable?
    However, even if he was possibly up to no good there, it does not mean he should have been killed. But if he was up to no good it also could support Zimmerman’s case that he attacked him when he was caught by a citizen, and not police.
    I think the big problem here is that if it is neighborhood watch then it should be watching only. This is not the law now but if they get out of the car with a gun then this is the problem. I feel he would not have gotten out of his car without a gun. But because he had a gun he felt safe enough to get out of the car to watch closer and then if you beleive Zimmerman was attacked as going back to his car. But if the law said he could not leave his car with a gun then I beleive he would not have left his car. And therefore no matter whose story is true, no one would be dead. As if in the car, Trayvon would not have attacked him and or Zimmerman approach Trayvon. The police would have taken care of things.
    This evidence does mean that there was a major fight not just Zimmerman came up with his gun out and shot Trayvon. However with the eyewitness that saw Trayvon on top, along with this makes Zimmerman’s story more plausable but not a smoking gun by itself.

    • Justice1

      For years people like you were able to get away with coming up with only marginally intelligible ways to insult Americans but because of the Internet those of us who make this country function can take a few moments to point out your supreme stupidity. You are akin to the young black athlete from some movie who’s name I can’t remember that was trying to impress some high class girl by using complex words but making no sense because he didn’t know how to form rational sentences with them. I don’t care if that young punk travon was in his own home if he attacked z he’s guilty of assault. People in the black community need to get this through their thick head if you keep raising your children to act like animals we (all races) will be forced to treat your children like wild animals. What you need to learn is disrespectful people can neither lead nor be led you want your children to have a future then you need to instill in them respect for themselves as well as others, as for you you better find some as well coming on these web sites offering up your false intellect by trying to sound educated and providing misdirection, “was he cutting through” has no bearance on the case. Don’t insult the intelligence of the rest of us and expect us to remain respectful of your stupidity without calling you out little kid. You stated that the only reason z was brave enough to get out was that he had a gun well the only reason trayvon was “brave” enough to attack z was 1 he jumped a smaller man from behind AND the little coward DID NOT know z was armed. Looks like the bad dude punky boy Martin found out what the great equalizer was first hand, by the way you sound like a first or second year cop from some small town just foaming at the mouth trying to SAVE everybody my hero

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Not that it matters but I’ve never heard that he was cutting through the neighborhood. I heard that it was a gated community and that his father’s girlfriend lived there. He was going to her house.

      • just sayin

        And the facts are that Zimmerman was asked by the police to set up a watch committee. When he was threatened by a bad dog, he got pepper spray for his patrols. The police said that would not work and recommended he get a gun and proper training, which he did. nuff said. Bad dog attacked and got shot. It was wearing a hoodie this time. Pepper spray may not have saved an unarmed man from a crazed guy who struck him first!

    • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

      The biggest questions for the police investigation is WHY did Trayvon Martin turn around and follow Zimmerman back to Zimmerman’s vehicle??? And then WHY did Trayvon Martin STALK Zimmerman by following Zimmerman, obviously without Zimmerman being aware that Trayvon Martin WAS FOLLOWING him and WAS STALKING him. And WHY did Trayvon Martin sneak up from behind Zimmerman with Zimmerman’s back to him and jump and assualt Zimmerman from behind??? And of course WHY did Trayvon Martin tackle and pin or straddle Zimmerman on the ground, actually with Zimmerman’s back flat on the wet grass lawn and then proceed to use his fists to beat Zimmerman’s face and use his hands to physically slam the back of Zimmerman’s skull onto the concrete sidwalk???? Perhaps at this point Zimmerman reached for his gun to shoot Trayvon Martin in the chest at point blank range because that was probably Zimmerman’s last possible opportunity to defend his Life BEFORE he would have been beaten unconscious and possibly beaten to death by the fists of Trayvon Martin as Martin had physically overpowered Zimmerman by pinning or straddling Zimmerman on his back on the ground on the wet grass lawn which was witnessed by a neighbor. The actual violent encounter must have been only one or 2 minutes or less in duration before Zimmerman finally pulled his gun out and shot Trayvon Martin one time in the chest at point blank range which is what finally stopped Trayvon Martin from beating Zimmerna’s face and slamming the back of Zimmerman’s skull onto the concrete sidewalk. Apparently Zimmerman did NOT expect to be jumped, assaulted and knocked or pushed to the ground by a sneak attack from behind by Trayvon Martin. And Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman because he was completely unaware and did not know that Zimmerman was Legally carrying a concealed gun with a Legal permit to do so. Neighborhood Community Watch Patrol personnel are probably extremely vulnerable at night in many neighborhoods and their Life is probably at risk without a permit to carry a gun at night for personal protection especially if a Neighborhood Community Watch Patrol person is unexpectedly and suddenly attacked and assaulted at night without any warning. The police who are well armed are usually able to effectively defend themselves against most unexpected and sudden attacks and assults at night, but not always. Zimmerman had a fighting chance and he was Lucky to be able to defend himself with a Legally permitted concealed gun, otherwise, Zimmerman might have been taken to the County Morgue instead of his deceased sneak attacker named Trayvon Martin.

      • Jeff

        Gary Wingnut:

        That may be what happened. How, then, do you explain the scream that ended right when the bullet was fired? You’re getting talking points from leaked evidence giving part of the story. That works on AM radio but not in an actual courtroom. We’ll see.

      • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

        Obviously I am responding to a very rude smart ass person wetting their diapers who has the sensational irrational mind of a three year old child. Well junior the screaming was reported by a witness who made the statement to the police that he was sure the screams were made by George Zimmerman pleading for help which all occured before the gun shot and not during the gun shot. This was reported several weeks ago piece meal but still it was reported based on the statement that was made to the police by a witness who heard the screaming.

      • just sayin

        Jeff, you really cannot be this stupid, can you? Why would a man being beaten to a pulp shoot his attacker and then keep screaming?

        • Jeff

          just sayin, you’re not payin attention! There is no evidence the screamer was Zimmerman. In fact, experts have said it was not. Who else could the screamer have been? Could it be . . . . .SATAN?

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Only if you listen to it backwards, Jeff!

  • ohoh

    Smoking gun? Maybe, maybe not. Reasonable doubt? Probably.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joanhudsonbrown Joan Hudson Brown

    I wish America’s black people had as much respect for America’s white people as
    we have for them. We had two black people who took care of us as kids and we
    loved them very much. My mother, during World War II, went to work at the Fuse
    Plant packing bullets for our soldiers fighting the Japs and Germans. She inhaled
    too much gun powder and had a heart attach. Modena prepared our food and dressed
    us for school and Scott took care of the yard and saddled my horse when I was 7
    years old. We loved Modena and Scott very much. Its a shame that people like
    Jessee Jackson and Rev. Abernathy and others have caused a divide in our country.
    I had rather it be like it was in the 40′s and 50′s when we loved and respected each other.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

      i worked for reiter dairy for 30 years and for the first 15 years i delivered milk and dairy products to a hundred or more wonderful black people and had morning coffee with many of them and they treated me like family and i thought the same of them. if sharpton and the like would mind their own business we could all get along. this is the way GOD intended for us.

      • Jeff

        If only they knew their place. MLK didn’t need to march because segregation would eventually have ended, right? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you don’t protest injustice, nothing happens. Zimmerman may well be innocent, but that determination should not be made by Barney Fife in 5 minutes. Can you honestly say that if Trayvon had shot Zimmerman that he would not have been arrested (or worse) on the spot?

      • http://www.facebook.com/Rabbi.Matityahu.ben.Shelomoh Matthew Mayo

        The media and Rev.’s Jackson, and Sharpton would like us to believe that George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin for racist reasons. I believe that Mr. Zimmerman was defending himself on that fateful night. I am more disturbed by the reports that have been occurring for over a year now of young black “mobs” attacking white people for no apparent reason other than their victims were white. What would Dr. King say about this? I believe that he would weep. He wanted equality between the races and I firmly believe that he would be appalled at the racism or as I’ve heard it referred to “reverse racism” that is driving tensions up in this country. He was a man of love and fought for equality but did not hate. He was assassinated because of this. He had the ability to lead this country and I would not have been surprised if had he not been assassinated that Dr. King would have been our first black president and in my humble opinion he would have been a great one. It boils down to one thing. As long as there is racial tension in this country we will never be as great a nation as we are capable of being.

        • Jeff

          Unfortunately, you are absolutely wrong about Dr. King ever getting elected President. When he was killed, his popularity had actually dropped even among his own allies in the Civil Rights Movement. Dr. King is often portrayed as a teddy bear figure saying “Can’t we all get along?” but he was a far more significant, complex, and controversial figure than that. As he strayed from his “place” speaking about civil rights for Blacks and began speaking about rich and poor and about the Viet Nam War, his popularity plummeted. Had he lived to a ripe old age, the right wingers on this blog and others would be using his name in place of Jackson and Sharpton as “race hustlers,” etc.

      • Opal the Gem

        Jeff you spew so much sh!t I suspect you are posting what Flushy whispers in your ear and are doing it on his computer.

      • just sayin

        Jeff, you seriously cannot be this stupid. He was arrested that night and released. How do you think they got his fingerprints and photos? How do you think they removed his handcuffs? Jeff, just how liberal or black are you? You make 0% sense on a scale of 100. You haven’t had a sensible argument in this whole blog!

  • BigBadJohn

    I don’t know what happened so really don’t have an opinion. However, when Zimmerman called the police, didn’t they tell him NOT TO ENGAGE the stranger? Yet for whatever reason not only did he follow him but he got out of his car to confront Martin. That in itself says that he was LOOKING for trouble.

    • Robert

      What if he was already ouy of his car when told by 011 not to follow TM.? (With cell phones one can be almost anywhere on earth and make that call.) What if he was trying to obey the 011 operator when attached.?

    • Steve E

      “NOT TO ENGAGE” is not what was said, “YOU DON’T NEED TO DO THAT” is what the dispatcher said. Big difference in meaning there.

    • kf

      There had been a rash of burglaries in the neighborhood, but police had been unable to respond in enough time to apprehend the criminals, so this is why Zimmerman went out looking. The reports stated the crimes were being committed by young black males, so racial profiling just because a black was walking through the neighborhood doesn’t hold water. Zimmerman was only trying to protect the property of both blacks and whites and had the right to do so. People get sick and tired of being ripped off and want it to stop, so when police are not effective, then citizens must step up.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        There was never any indication of racial profiling. This was a neighborhood that was racially mixed. The claim of racial profiling came up because NBC news edited the 911 tape to make it sound like Zimmerman was a racist. The 911 operator asked Zimmerman what the suspect’s race was. Zimmerman answered, “he looks black”. NBC edited out the operated asking him about the race and made it sound like Zimmerman was following him because he was black. The media and the black activist groups are trying to turn this into a race war. If you ignored the race of either parties this would have been an open and shut case. Zimmerman is not the racist, the media is.

      • Jeff

        What is the source of this “right” you speak of? As a citizen or as a neighborhood watch volunteer?

    • JeffH

      BBJ says “Yet for whatever reason not only did he follow him but he got out of his car to confront Martin. That in itself says that he was LOOKING for trouble.”

      Really? That is your version! There is no evidence to indictaes Zimmerman confronted Martin.

    • just sayin

      I never heard that he got out of the car to confront Martin! Where did you dream that up. He got out because Martin went and hid and he was looking to locate him so he did not get away from the words I heard. You lunatic fringe people imagine things and are part of the problem. YOU ARE ALL RACISTS!

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    Now here is one you can turn to ,to get off zimmerman. go to Knoxville (WVLT) story about these 5 nice blacks that mutilated and raped Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian . One horriffic story. Animals. It was not one clean pistol shot. mutilation. Now you idiot defenders of that poor little child Trevon Martin ,Who had no buisness in the neighborhood to begin with,casing a good hit someplace, Show your compassion for these 5 rapists in Knoxville . Which we are all expecting some of you will find a way to defend them . And again see if there is one peep from Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson… First of all you Trevon defenders do not know anything about the case than donald duck. Just the liberal hype jumping up to be heard like always. ….By the way the victims were white so you can probably find a good reason it should have not been noteworthy….

    • Alex

      gottaplenty wha? PROBLEMS?
      The story you reference is horrible. Evil.
      What on Earth does that have to do with the murder of Trayvon Martin in Florida?
      How on earth can you type with Ted Nugent’s scrotum lodged in your throat?

      • just sayin

        what trayvon martin murder in florida?

    • Jeff

      What makes the Zimmerman case different from a random crime by thugs is Zimmerman was acting under color of authority as a neighborhood watch captain. Somehow, he had a “legal right” to do what he did? By the way, is Fox News now saying Treyvon had no business being in Zimmerman’s neighborhood? He was staying with his father at his father’s girlfriend/fiance’s house. Yes, black people are allowed to live in Mr. Zimmerman’s neighborhood. It’s not Mitt Romney’s neighborhood.

      To me, it is always a bigger story if a crime is committed by someone claiming some sort of privilege – police officer, security guard, person with white skin- than random crimes committed by random thugs.

      If Martin had killed Zimmerman, he would either have been arrested immediately or the police would have executed him on the spot!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It was self defense! If someone is beating the crap out of you you can shoot them.

      • texastwin827

        Correction Jeff….Zimmerman was “Capt” and self appointed. So does that mean he can decide his own rank & give himself authority?

        I’ve been reading all you GUYS comments so thought I’d present my viewpoint. I am a white female, 67, conservative and pro gun and support Texas’ Castle law (akin to Stand your Ground), however, you all seem to think Martin must have been the aggressor because he inflicted injury to Zimmerman. A couple of you have even gone so far as calling him a thief, suggesting had tools of the trade (which actually was supposedly a screwdriver).

        Martin’s 3 suspensions from school:
        http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/26/10872124-trayvon-martin-was-suspended-three-times-from-school?lite

        1) first time was for missing school or being late.

        2) October, Martin was suspended with friends for writing “W.T.F.” on a hallway locker, according to a school report obtained by the Herald. A security guard looking through his backpack for the graffiti marker and instead found women’s rings and earrings and a screwdriver, described by the staffer as a “burglary tool.” No arrest was made nor did the school advise the parents of “burglary tools”.
        NOTE: This all came from a security guard, after the fact, when the no one but him is alive to tell the story.

        3) was suspended from school last month for having a baggie that contained marijuana residue in his book bag. “There was no substance found. There was a baggie that school officials believe may have formerly contained marijuana. There was no arrest or citation from the police,”

        Please note that Martin had no history of violence prior to his run in with Zimmerman.

        ZIMMERMAN’s history:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html

        Zimmerman, who patrolled the Retreat at Twin Lakes development in his own car, had been called aggressive in earlier complaints to the local police and the homeowner’s association, according to a homeowner who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

        At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics” in his neighborhood watch captain role.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57405716-504083/trayvon-martin-lead-investigator-wanted-george-zimmerman-arrested-the-night-of-the-fatal-shooting/

        Investigator Chris Serino of the Sanford, Fla. Police Department wanted the 28-year-old Zimmerman behind bars, but the state Attorney’s Office said there was not enough evidence to lead to a conviction, sources told ABC.

        The New York Daily News reports Serino was uncertain of Zimmerman’s account of how the Feb. 26 incident with Martin played out.

        Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman’s attorney, even though he had requested medical attention first.

        The police report noted Zimmerman was “bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.”

        CBS News reports that the next day, detectives re-enacted the shooting with Zimmerman at the scene. They also discovered Zimmerman had two prior arrests: one for assaulting a cop, the other for domestic abuse.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57405716-504083/trayvon-martin-lead-investigator-wanted-george-zimmerman-arrested-the-night-of-the-fatal-shooting/

        2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.

        August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

        From the Orange County, FL Circuit Court Clerk of the Court Records page: [link to myclerk.myorangeclerk.com]
        Record Count: 4
        Search By: Party Exact Name: on Party Search Mode: Name Last Name: Zimmerman First Name: George Case Status: Closed Date Filed On or After: 01/01/2005 Date Filed On or Before: 01/01/2006 Sort By: Filed Date

        Case Number Citation Number Style/Defendant Info Filed/Location/Judicial Officer Type/Status Charge(s)

        2005-CF-009525-A-O
        ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
        10/05/1983
        07/18/2005
        Div 10
        OKane, Julie H
        Criminal Felony
        Closed

        CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
        2005-MM-010436-A-O
        ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
        10/05/1983
        07/18/2005
        Orlando
        Miller, W Michael
        Misdemeanor
        Closed

        CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
        2005-DR-012980-O
        ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M
        08/09/2005
        Div 44
        44, TBA
        Domestic Violence
        Closed – SRS

        2005-DR-013069-O
        ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs. ZUAZO, VERONICA A
        08/10/2005
        Div 46
        White, Keith F
        Domestic Violence
        Closed – SRS

        Now guys, I don’t know about you but when you have a record of TWO different situations with Police officers and at least one domestic violence incident with a female, why would you assume that, because he got the bad end of a confrontation, that he wasn’t the aggressor?

        Are there none of you who ever had someone start a fight with you, that you ended up whipping the sh*t out of them? I have a grandson who will be 18 next Tuesday. For all intents and purposes, he is the most laid back, easy going kid you could hope to know, is in all Advance Placement classes and just took his first placement test for College Chemistry (he graduates high school on the 31st) and was accepted at the University of Ark (groan…I’m a UT fan) before the end of his first semester of his SR yr…

        That said, he is nearly 6 ft tall, weighs enough that he played Offensive Lineman on a 5A State Playoff team and I can assure you, if he felt someone was about to do him any harm, he would not hesitate in attempting to whip their butt, in a heartbeat. Would that make him the wrong doer? Or would the one who was acting aggressive towards him be in the wrong? All through this incident, Zimmerman is the one who appears to originally have been the “aggressor” but now he would have you believe Martin was the aggressor, because he beat Zimmerman up (must be embarrassing to admit a 140 lb kid bested you, until you shot him)

        We can not hear Martin’s side of the story because he’s no longer with us. We can however, take into consideration what his girlfriend said he told her, while on his cell phone (the call HAS been verified that it did happen, as she said it did) and Zimmerman’s own refusal to “stand down” as he was instructed to do by the Police dispatcher. You couple that with the history of arrest records (regardless of whether they were dismissed or not because his father is a retired judge) two of which show he doesn’t use common sense, otherwise, they would not be against Police Officers.

        Given his past history, for all we know, Zimmerman pulled his gun and threatened Martin with it. You think Zimmerman is going to admit to that? Martin sure can’t tell us, now can he?

        I will be the first person to defend anyone who uses their gun to protect themselves when they are the innocent victim….there seems to be little that suggests Zimmerman was innocent or was the victim, in any respect. Sorry guys, I have to disagree with you.

      • eddie47d

        If someone is stalking or following you you also have a right to flee or fight. Where was TM’s rights on that issue.

      • just sayin

        Jeff, please stop before they send you back to reform school! You sound like a fool. If someone walked through my neighborhood who does not live there that appears to be looking around, I HAVE approached them and ask them if there is something I can help them with. They did not beat me, but they could have. That is the authority I would act under. Read about the army sergeant in Tampa this week that was beaten from behind by 4 hoodie wearing Trayvons when his car broke down. Captured on tape. I wish he had been armed and had blown them away so it never happens to a less armed person. Imagine what would have happened to a woman, or even worse to a wuss like you Jeff. We would even stand up for you if you defended yourself. Even though you are an ignorant horse’s rump.

      • just sayin

        hey texastwin,
        You forgot that he was asked to set up the watch by the police after multiple problems in the neighborhood and he did. You also failed to note that he had a gun at the suggestion of the police because pepper spray could not deter the dog that had been threatening him. Please stop playing lawyer. You watch too much TV.

  • Jim K

    This always appeared to be a “Hate Crime” to me, just not in the direction that the media portrayed it. Ever since the Cuban revolution and the large influx of Hispanic people into the culture of Florida there has been resentment from the Black community. This only makes sense as the newly adopted people drew down social service resources and provided a source of lower costs labor that took up many of the jobs that were previously available. If you don’t believe this is true look at news sources from the 60s forward. There have even been a number of media specials from the Big three and Fox covering the racial tensions and more than a few riots. Were I an investigative reported, I would look at the lifestyles of Mr. Martin’s family and friends to evaluate the possible influences in his life. People always seem to gravitate toward their peers, if for acceptance if nothing else. Were I his defense attorney, I would employ a forensic social anthropologist, Lord knows they need the money. These are just my thoughts and nothing more from a casual observer.

    • just sayin

      That sounds like a great case. I’ll bet a civil suit from Zimmerman for Martin’s parent’s negligence would be a winner. Not only that, he was attacked according to his girlfriend because some white guy was following him according to the initial news reports! Sounds like a hate crime that Martin committed. Can his mother be jailed awaiting the outcome? Her attitude makes it sound like she is at least partially responsible for her son’s actions. Why wasn’t he grounded in Miami when suspended from school instead of up in Sanford 200 miles away smoking pot and fighting neighborhood watchmen. The skittles were needed due to the munchies. We can’t blame the manufacturer.

  • Jeff

    Zimmerman may not be convicted; he may not even be guilty of 2nd degree murder. I think he’ll be convicted of something (manslaughter?) because the jury will be offended by his overall conduct. No. 1 rule of neighborhood watch: no weapons. No. 2 rule: watch suspects, don’t approach them. He claims to be a captain yet broke the 2 cardinal rules. He’s a wanna-be cop too stupid or mentally imbalanced to be on the force. Maybe he could have made the force in L.A. as they seem to have plenty of violent, trigger-happy thugs working there. This love affair with guns has to end or at least have consequences. We do not live in a Hollywood version of the Wild West. People who walk around obsessed with the gun in their pants assume other people are as sick as they are and are also carrying. Some of these spokesmen for the NRA are clearly saying (in a thought bubble): I have a really small dick, so I need a really big gun.

    • Steve E

      The are other countries that don’t allow guns you can go to.

      • 45caliber

        I really think he’d enjoy Cuba. And I’ll chip in to buy him a one-way ticket there.

      • Jeff

        Stevie Boy:

        Your gun will one day bite you in the ass. I’m not wishing it on you, but all these gun nuts have the same reaction. “I told that kid a million times not to take that gun to school.”
        As for walking around with a gun in your pants, well, that speaks for itself.

    • 9mm protection

      OK, you stay away from guns, and if you are ever attacked we can only hope that no citizen with a gun comes to your rescue. Hope that all works out for you.

      • Jeff

        I’ve lived a long time without a gun and will continue to take my chances. I don’t go to right wing events so I probably won’t need one. I’ve found that guys who talk about their 9mm like it’s their best friend are covering up deep-seated feelings of inadequacy. Are you really overweight or is it just really small?
        BTW, I live here. If you’re buying plane tickets for those you disagree with, I choose Paris.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Your whole post is stupid but what on earth would even make you think about the size of anyone’s dick? Seriously, how do you know how big their dicks are? Why would you care? Your comment just shows you to be an imbecile with nothing of value to say. You’re letting your ignorance show. Sometimes it’s better just to keep your mouth shut!

      • Opal the Gem

        ” …but what on earth would even make you think about the size of anyone’s dick?”

        Inferiority complex and jealousy.

      • Mamamia

        Oh Nancy, it’s just a metaphor for men who think that they are so macho that they must drive the biggest truck, loudest car, carry the most powerful gun etc. You never heard that? When you see a man acting a fool you just automatically assume he must have a small penis. It’s a compensation thing… Little self confidence.

      • Jeff

        Nancy:

        Have you ever spoken to a gun nut? Their whole conversation concerns its size and how big a hole it can make in somebody’s head. We’re talking about guys with the emotional maturity of 12 year olds whose only solution to a problem is to blow somebody away. Why else have a concealed weapon when you’re supposed to be on neighborhood watch?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I knew what he was referring to. I was just trying to point out how stupid it was. It sounded like something an idiot moron would say. And, why carry a gun on neighborhood watch patrol? For protection!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Have you ever spoken to a gun nut? Their whole conversation concerns its size and how big a hole it can make in somebody’s head.”

        jeff you are a bald faced lier.

      • just sayin

        He is thinking of Zimmerman’s dick because he works for Obama and his team. You know how that goes. Jeff is a lightweight in the mental area when acting on his own.

      • just sayin

        Jeff is not aware that he was carrying a gun at the advice of the police due a dog that had bothered him on patrol. They told him the pepper spray he was carrying would take too long to work on a dog attacking. It obviously would have taken too long on this attacking dog as well. The police were right!

    • FreedomFighter

      If you are so afraid of guns put a sign in your yard

      I dont believe in guns
      but all my neighbors do

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Tom Cook

        Freedom Fighter? You sound like freedom possum.

      • 45caliber

        FF:

        I’ll even put up the sign for him if he can’t afford it.

      • Jeff

        FF:

        Very few burglars carry guns. Do you really want to kill some kid so he can’t steal your stereo? Plus, if your wife is at home alone, isn’t it likely the burglar will find the gun before she does? And how many times do we have to hear about a 5 year old killing his friend with dad’s gun?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Do you really want to kill some kid so he can’t steal your stereo? Plus, if your wife is at home alone, isn’t it likely the burglar will find the gun before she does?”

        I really don’t care who they are if they run turn and run away they live if they turn and start towards me tey are a threat and they will die.

        If my wife is home alone she knows where/how to quickly access the guns and will do so. The burglar will NOT know where/how to access any guns but would have to search for them so she would have the advantage.

      • just sayin

        Jeff, please stop, you look sillier every time you type a sentence! The burglars know there probably are no guns where they are banned. They do not know where they are when they are not. Get it yet? Since you think like a hapless burglar and can find a gun faster than a person who knows where it is, I’d like to play some poker with you!

    • Tom Cook

      L’il Jeff–misread comments sent to my e-mail and thought that this drivel you write was from freedom fighter. You sound like a typical liberal with cotton balls.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      So who’s life do YOU think is more important than yours? If you don’t have the means to defend yourself, you MUST believe someone else should do it for you. Does someone shake off your dick when you pee too? See, we can be just as obnoxious as you are you brainless POS.

    • just sayin

      Jeff, you are an uninformed a—-hole. He carried the gun at the advice of the police because of a dog that had bothered him on patrols. They told him his pepper spray would never work. So take your little d–k and put it back in your mouth and shut up until you have something intelligent to say about ANYTHING!

  • Alex

    So what if Zimmerman was injured after assaulting Martin? Martin clearly had the right to stand his ground, which apparently he did and so Zimmerman murdered him after picking on the wrong teenager. Oh, I gotta remember—for the Teabaggers, ONLY people with guns are allowed to stand their ground.

    All of you people who seem to find some sort of vindication in Zimmerman’s injuries should simply ask yourself this: had Zimmerman been unarmed and still accosted Martin despite police advising against it and an armed Martin shot and killed Zimmerman, would you be backing young dead Martin? I think not. Better yet, hypocrites,had an armed Martin followed and accosted an unarmed Zimmerman and shot him dead after being punched in the nose, would you cry for Martin’s freedom? HA!! LOSERS!

    • Steve E

      If the situation was reversed like you say, there would be no Jackson or New Black Panthers going down to FL to protest. This is what cause Z to get arrested. I have never seen or heard of a protest when a black person shoots a white person. So, I suppose Travon would not be arrested.

    • 9mm protection

      Alex lives in some fantasy world, have you even considered the facts in this case?

      Zimmerman assaulted the criminal Martin? Where did you come up with that?

      • Alex

        Where did I come up with what? Martin was walking, unarmed, to his father’s and was assaulted by Zimmerman despite police counsel to leave him be.

      • FreedomFighter

        Alex that is a lie.

        If I remember correctly Mr Zimmerman was assualted by Martan first. Walking upto someone is not assualt.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • 45caliber

        Alex:

        Despite what you may think, following someone is NOT an assault. The courts have ruled on that too many times. Further, when Zimmerman was told to leave him alone, he agreed and went back to his vehicle where Martin attacked him. You should REALLY try to determine all the facts instead of taking your “facts” from lib sites.

        • Jeff

          And your “facts” come from where? I think you’re embellishing even what Zimmerman’s spokespeople have been saying. He did not say he turned around in response to instructions. He trailed Martin after the police told him not to. He said he turned around because he thought he lost the kid. Seems very inconsistent with the evidence from the girlfriend who heard Zimmerman confront Martin while she was still on the phone. Plus, the scream heard was not Zimmerman.

          There are lots of :”facts.” Most of the most important ones will not come from Zimmerman’s Dad or brother who have no more knowledge of what happened than you or I. The recordings, the witnesses, and circumstances will dictate; not what you heard from Sean Hannity!

          If Zimmerman was truly a neighborhood watch captain, why did he have a concealed weapon?

      • JeffH

        Jeff says “If Zimmerman was truly a neighborhood watch captain, why did he have a concealed weapon?”

        What does being a “neighborood watch captain” and having a lawfull “concealed weapon” have to do with anything?

        Zimmerman possessed a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun, that is the reason why.

        • Jeff

          The purpose of neighborhood watch is to be the eyes and ears of the police. Observe something suspicious (for Zimmerman, read: a Black kid talking on the phone) and report it to the police. Do not confront the “suspect,” do not make a citizen’s (or idiot’s) arrest, and DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON,.

      • 45caliber

        Jeff:

        Most of my “facts” have been coming from the police records BEFORE the press butchered them. I know they don’t fit what the press said but that’s too bad isnt’ it? He had returned to his car before the fight – which only means that Martin followed him. As for a confrontation, the only real evidence of such a thing is the fight at the car. And Martin did tell his girlfriend that he was going to teach Zimmerman a lesson – so I doubt if Zimmerman confronted him at that time. And I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a requirement that someone on a Neighborhood Watch has to be totally unarmed.

        It sounds, from your rants, that you have seen the television story (before they admitted they cut things up) and then listened to some of those protesting such as the NBP to make up your mind. I prefer to try to get my information from those reports. They are more likely to be true than the guesses and suppositions of people wanting to cause trouble.

      • JeffH

        Jeff says “Observe something suspicious (for Zimmerman, read: a Black kid talking on the phone)”

        You make it too easy to see where you’re coming from Jeff. You don’t have a clue do you? You just did what NBC did, intentionally made Zimmerman appear to be a racist though Zimmermen didn’t identify the “color” of Martin until specifically asked by the 911 operator.

        The question of who confronted who remains unanswered…see Zimmerman’s injuries and see the autopsy report for Martin.

        Autopsy results confirm that Trayvon Martin sustained injuries to his knuckles.

        Zimmerman’s family physician said he had a pair of lacerations to the back of his head, two black eyes, a minor back injury and a “closed fracture” of his nose…consistant with the injuries noted on the police report.

      • just sayin

        Alex is a little slow on the draw. He apparently has not read the reports and is just reiterating his stale liberal drivel. Don’t knock him just because he is ignorant of ALL of the reports that have come out.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Your entire premise is based on the word “if”. If you want to fantasize, why share it with us?

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      So, are you a medium? Talk with the dead do you? I figure that has to be about the only way you would be able to act like you KNOW what went on in that situation. I am just SOOO sure, especially with numerous confrontations with blacks in my youth for no other reason except that I was white, that ZIMMERMAN was just picking on Martin. And Martin just decided to beat the sh– out of Zimmerman because he was NOT a racist piece of sh–. Martin got what he deserved. I’d have shot him in a heartbeat if it was me too.

  • Jonathon Galt

    It’s an election year, anything but jobs and the economy.

    • Steve E

      I agree, those topics are just to depressing to talk about.

    • Jeff

      OK, let’s spend the next 5+ months discussing the imaginary jobs that will be created by Mitt Romney’s tax cuts and deregulation of Wall Street. Or would you like to explain how the weak economy is all Obama’s fault after he prevented a replay of the Great Depression?

      • JeffH

        Speaking of imaginary…just how did Obama stop another “Great Depression”…that I’d like to hear!

        • Jeff

          When Obama took office, the economy was in free fall, losing about 700,000 jobs per month. The stimulus, etc. turned things around despite unanimous opposition from the Republicans. He prevented the auto industry from closing, saving at least a million jobs. Whether Sean Hannity likes it or not, these are facts. While I thought the stimulus should have been larger and less weighted toward tax cuts, it prevented a recession turning into a calamity. Even Mitt Romney can’t admit that he has said Obama made the economy worse – because it is plainly not the case – except on Fox News and on AM radio!

          Virtually all economists, even the conservative ones, will tell you that when demand dries up, the Government must stimulate the economy as the spender of last resort. Isn’t it odd that while Bush was running up the debt, financing 2 wars with massive tax cuts, you heard barely a peep from the Republicans. When did they discover the debt? The minute Obama got elected. I predict if Romney wins, he’ll explode the debt and the Republicans won’t say a word because their precious tax cuts will be secure.

      • demsagainst obama

        “I predict if Romney wins, he’ll explode the debt and the Republicans won’t say a word because their precious tax cuts will be secure.”

        And I predict that when Romney wins and economy turns around in a couple of years you will give all the credit to obama.

      • Jeff

        demsagainst:

        You made a counter-prediction, but you have not presented any facts contrary to what I stated. Did the right wing make any noise about deficits during the 8 long, long years of Bush’s tax cuts and pre-emptive wars?

      • demsagainst obama

        “I predict if Romney wins, he’ll explode the debt and the Republicans won’t say a word because their precious tax cuts will be secure.”

        You presented NO facts to support this prediction I merely responded in kind.

  • BT

    When all the evidence is shown I believe that not even the corrupt media, the Black Panthers, Sharpton, Jackson, the Miami Heat, or the Hollywood Stars that all accused Z of murder before the evidence was in will soon learn that a witchhunt is never justice. We have a legal system and before its over I believe that Z will be freed for defending his life!!!

    • Steve E

      Evidence, or lack of thereof, and facts has always been an impediment to those that have preconceived ideas that derive from those who wish for a certain outcome base on emotion..

      • 45caliber

        True: Otherwise there wouldn’t be any liberals or communists. But none look at evidence or care what facts they are told.

        My fear is that the government will throw Zimmerman to the lions as was done by and to many others in the past. There are men in prison now for just that reason.

        One in AZ was sent to prison for doing exactly what he was taught to do by the government when arresting someone and now the government is trying to garnish his WIFE’s wages to pay for his fine while insisting that she must give up her job or get a divorce from him. (She carries a gun as part of her job as a Border Patrol agent and he is not allowed to live with anyone with a gun. If he does, he goes back to jail and there is a good chance she would too.)

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Even if the evidence shows beyond all doubt that Zimmerman was acting in self defense the media and the black panthers will still portray Zimmerman a a murderer. They have an agenda and they won’t be deterred by the facts. They will claim that he was only found innocent because he is white. Even the president will proclaim that justice was not served. They are baiting people and trying to start a race war. This will not end well no matter how it turns out.

      • Opal the Gem

        Where I live they would have to import an awful lot of blacks to have a race war and the few blacks that do live here would for the most part fight against the outsiders.

        • Tom Cook

          Germ, who cares what lies the welfare agitators (including the criminal Trayvon’s stupid trash mother and father) say; Zimmerman is not guilty of doing one thing wrong. He acted as any reasonable person would to defend himself. And he’s not even white.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Where I live, there are plenty and they’re killing somebody every day. There were race riots here back in the 60′s and I don’t think it would take much to start them up again.

      • 45caliber

        Tom: According to several prominate Black “Leaders” (like Sharpton), if you aren’t black then you are white. There are no other races.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    Well Alex what that case has to do with Trev. Mart. is the simple fact those white parents of the Knoxville couple should have been armed and rioting , hunting down blacks and evening the score , That is the mentality you seem to imply for the Martins to do for thier son ,,that had no buisness there other than no good. You are one of the ones I mentioned that keep the crap flying that hasnt got the slightest clue what went on to begin with. And I might add are so dam stupid that whatever the correct outcome might be has to be wrong if you so see it that way. Seems you have Al sharptons scrotum and all hung in your adams apple..

    • Opal the Gem

      I would say he must have Al”s, Jessie’s, and rev Wrights stuck in his throat.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        YEEE HAAAWWWWW!

  • Buck

    Human beings support justice , ( equal , not social ) , animals do not support justice . Can you pick out the animals ?

    • 45caliber

      Buck:

      The true animals do support self defense, though. If a wolf, for instance, goes rogue and starts attacking its own kind, the rest will gang together and kill it. So will mice for that matter. The problem with the human animal is that the real animals among us wants to prey upon the rest of us without fear.

  • http://fox bob

    in the first place if sharption and jackson are rev. i am a preist.they are hate mongers of white people. and why did holder not go after black panther party when they put out a reward on gz dead or alive ? to me that is solicticing to murder !!!!!! and why all of the rioting when something happen to a black attacting a white. if something happens to a white person we let the courts handle it. all the signs show gz was trying to get this guy off him. someone beating me like that i would do what ever it took to get him off of me.tes this reminds me of oj and an ablack jury. i have black friends and dont hate anyone but the rule of law just dont seem to count some time.

  • ranger hall

    Some people just will not except the truth, even when its right in there face, some people are just stupid and never will change, No wonder this country is going to hell.
    More people should get involved with control of the criminal element, The police sure are not doing it, So much for the protection of the citizens and their property.
    Maybe if they spent more time patrolling the citizens property instead of sitting down on the streets writting tickets, BUT remember they work for the Powers to Be and NOT the Public.

    • 45caliber

      ranger:

      That is correct. But writing tickets brings in money for the political entity that employs them while patrolling to stop burglars doesn’t. While having a quota of tickets to write is officially illegal, all police have it, according to a policeman friend of mine. Many police departments not only do NOT get a budget from cities or counties, they are also supposed to bring in enough money to support the city or county in addition to supporting themselves on ticket money. And, as my friend says, if it comes to a choice of watching for burglars or making money to pay for your own check, you write the tickets.

  • FreedomFighter

    Persoanally I dont think there is one person on this board if armed with some thug beating them senseless, with a high possibility the thug will get the gun from them, would not shoot the thug.

    Be beat to death or shoot, Its an almost 100% probability–shoot.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • demsagainst obama

      Now FF you know Jeff would not defend himself. Jeff would lay there and say hit me again because I must have done something wrong and need to be punished for it.

  • It doesn’t take a legal scholar…

    How can anyone justify Martin beating Zimmerman to a bloody pulp? Martin was way bigger, he attacked from behind, and he was prevailing. That’s what predators do, whether 2 legged or 4 legged. When you are in fear of death or grave injury, that constitutes legal justification for the use of deadly force to make him (Martin) stop the attack and so save your life. It is regrettable that anyone died, but only one person could have prevented that from happening, and that was clearly Mr. Martin. Had he not attacked Zimmerman, both of them would be alive today.

    The fact that charges were even filed in this case is a travesty, and is evidence that the threat of further violence, and actual violence committed by blacks on whites in response to the case, prompted the filing of charges after some delay. This is rule by mob, masquerading as rule by law.

    This sort of injustice has been seen before. 20 centuries ago, Christ was found not guilty by the governor, a Roman named Pontious Pilate. But, because he saw that a riot was starting, he gave the mob what they wanted, and Jesus was crucified.

    I don’t bring this up to imply that Mr. Zimmerman is beyond reproach in this case at all. I simply am saying that even if he were, he could still be the victim of political expediency, as was the case with Christ. In both cases the mob was demanding blood, while those attempting to maintain the rule of law wanted saw fit to turn both men loose.

    • 45caliber

      I would be willing to bet that Martin had no idea that Zimmerman was armed. He thought Zimmerman was an easy target.

      • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

        That’s evident on the way he attacked Zimmerman.

      • Jeff

        45 and Wildey:

        I look forward to you goons testifying at the trial. But how will you get your 45s or 9mms or uzzis through the metal detector? What if Trayvon’s mother looks at you cross-eyed and you have no weapon? The horror!

  • Rafael

    If all the evidence are true, Z is innocent. In this country just because a person is black and accused of something before a trial, practically all black people unite and cry innocent, that doesn’t make sense.

    • Donald York

      The racists wont let this rest if Mr. Zimmerman is accuited of the killing. First, you have Obama weighing in, then Congresswoman Angie “cowgirl” Wilson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, and the brain dead congressmen from Georgia and Bobbie “BPP” Rush from Chicago jumping in. Then comes Al Sharpton, and Jesse “Shakedown” Jackson, now we have Shabaz of the “NBPP” ready to incite riots (on Obamas orders, I would assume). what’s next?OWS?

  • ONTIME

    So far it looks like with the revelation of evidence the defense has a winning hand, now the interesting parts will be the prosecutors argument and the waylaying of the imbecils in the black panthers, jackson and sharpton. After the latter quits screaming epithets they will owe both sides a huge apology abd watching these snakes talk out both sides of their mouths is going to be most interesting…..Trayvon appears to be a bad tempered teenager whose fit of control loss got him killed, the rest of the trial will be the proof, in the meantime Zimmerman will have to have a security team to watch his back.

    • 45caliber

      ONTIME:

      Don’t expect the NBP to back up and appologize just because they are wrong. They will simply rant louder that the jury is racist and insist that Zimmerman MUST be executed. They are certain that if the blacks form a vigilante movement and hang Zimmerman, it will terrorize the rest of us so much that they can take over the government and RULE us.

      • Jeff

        Have you heard of projection? Well, this is historical projection. Was it Blacks or White southerners who formed lynch mobs to go after people before they were convicted? If Zimmerman is acquitted because the evidence is truly in his favor, I don’t think you’ll see anything like the mob violence you used to see in the South at the thought of a Black person eating at a lunch counter or going to school. Jackson and Sharpton were primarily interested in having the State investigate the killing.

        Apparently, you would have been satisfied to allow Zimmerman to go about his business on just his word that the killing was justified. He broke every rule of a neighborhood watch volunteer, causing a death. That alone should leave him criminally liable in some manner, even if not for 2nd degree murder.

      • 45caliber

        Jeff:

        If I remember correctly BOTH races have done that. But I fail to see how this is related to this case.

    • Jeff

      I guess now all black teenagers in Florida had better carry a weapon in case they run into you or Zimmerman.

      • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

        They already are. They’re getting vengance on innocent people for something they know nothing about.

      • Jeff

        Wildey:

        Do you have a source for that statement other than your ass?

      • JeffH

        Jeff

        Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
        Abraham Lincoln

      • Jeff

        Jeff H and Wildey:

        I really don’t care what anyone on this blog thinks of me. I just want to know WTF Wildey meant by: “They already are. They’re getting vengance on innocent people for something they know nothing about.”
        Does that mean every Black criminal is acting for Trayvon or do you have something specific in mind?

      • just sayin

        Poor Jeff, you are one of the most naive blunderers I have ever seen trying to carry on a sensible argument. Don’t you know you are like the little fuzzball being whacked around by the playful kittens. You are a silly man.

  • 45caliber

    I saw this the other day on the Daily News – from London. It wasn’t on any of the MSM sources that I saw in the US. This morning the same paper commented that the coroner said that the gunshot wound was also in line with what Zimmerman said happened. The more I hear of this the more it seems Zimmerman’s story is correct. And I STILL haven’t seen one picture of Martin other than his picture when he was about 10. I’m sure there are later pictures somewhere. I’d like to see someone publish a picture of him as he was before death.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      The Drudgereport.com had a later picture of 6 foot 2 Trayon with his gold teeth implants where he lost his own fighting. You wouldn’t want to meet him in a dark alley or any place else.

      • 45caliber

        I couldn’t find the picture but I don’t doubt you. Wonder how he paid for those teeth.

  • http://FIREFOX BIG RED

    EVERY ones making comments,on this issue,and do not know a thing,about what really happen that evening,but GOD ,the bible says thou shall not kill,so what gave this grown man,the right ,to take this kids life in free America . A person cant walk down the street in peace . SOMETHING wrong, with the rules of this world , man”s rules not GODS, we need the remix

    • 45caliber

      Big:

      But if you are having your head beaten against a concrete walk hard enough to split the skin, are you going to not shoot? Or are you going to try to protect yourself?

      • Jeff

        45:

        Query: An armed neighborhood watch “captain” is told by Police not to trail or confront a “suspect.” First, what made him a suspect – his color, his hoodie, his phone, or his Skittles? Zimmerman is a nut with a gun. Lots of neighborhoods have busy bodies like this guy, calling the police every time a black guy walks down the street or somebody leaves their garage door open.

        He trails the suspect and confronts him on his audacity to walk on Zimmerman’s streets. A fight ensues and Zimmerman realizes he’s not Batman or even a semi-trained police officer. Like the kid who runs home to Mommy screaming “he hit me back,” Zimmerman uses his ace in the hole, his gun, and shoots.

        Real police officers, even in Florida, have training. They know when they have probable cause for an arrest or reasonable suspicion to stop someone. They know the difference between a suspect and a Black kid walking and talking to his girlfriend. They (should) know how to handle confrontations without resorting to deadly violence. Zimmerman stuck his nose where it did not belong, got it slapped, and now claims the right to kill.

        If Zimmerman is not convicted, I hope the civil judgment will keep him “enslaved” for years to come.

      • 45caliber

        Jeff:

        Try getting your timeline in order. According to the REAL police tape, he did break off pursuit when told. He was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin attacked him. He never once, according to all stories, confronted Martin. He wasn’t facing Martin when he was attacked. Martin told his girlfriend that he was going to teach Zimmerman a lesson. All things you seem to have not heard. Or are you just ignoring them?

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        As his brains are getting smashed out, he’s going to pray that GEEZUES saves him.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      This “kid” was 6 foot 2 and had gold teeth implants where he lost the in previous fights. He was an habitual school delinquent with a track record for using drugs. This was dealt with properly in the beginning until some leftist socialist jumped in on the act. They love love mobs, particular if they control them. They use terror tactics on people with their mobs and people submit to them. The media becomes part of their mobs by not telling the truth. Instead it sends out propaganda to add fuel to the mob mentality.

      • Jeff

        So only leftist socialists believe in investigating killings? Or is it only leftist socialists believe in investigating killings of unarmed Blacks by armed Whites?

      • JeffH

        Jeff, you’re just being stupid now.

        He said “some leftist socialist”. “Some” does not equal “all”.
        No doubt, by your comments, that you’re a racist liberal though…which doesn’t mean “all” liberals are racist.

    • Tom Cook

      Little pink sink into the darkness that is your mind and stay there. Pray a lot–maybe say some hail Marys, burn some incense, watch The God Who Wasn’t There and maybe learn something, but until then stay out of adult discussions.

      • 45caliber

        Tom:

        I guess then we’ll see you go away after that post.

      • Jeff

        This is an adult discussion? I thought you were trolling to show your big gun to some middle schoolers.

      • just sayin

        and are the middle schooler Jeff, I am not sure you would pass a 7th grade logic class.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      “… ,the bible says thou shall not kill…”

      A more accurate translation is ‘thou shall not commit murder’. When the Bible was first translated into English “kill” ment what murder does now. If they ment kill as we use the word now they said, I believe, slay.

      • Jeff

        Are you saying the Bible is ambiguous and therefore imperfect? Written by humans and translated by humans? Subject to interpretation? My God, Republican blasphemy!

      • just sayin

        Jeff, Just when I think you cannot get more stupid, you prove me wrong. I guess you never heard that there are various versions of the bible and there are different denominations that interpret the old hebrew words differently as well as the aramaic. You are so slow on the draw that a gun would not be needed to slay you, probably a wt noodle!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Are you saying the Bible is ambiguous and therefore imperfect? Written by humans and translated by humans? Subject to interpretation? My God, Republican blasphemy!”

        First of all I am NOT a Republican or democrat I am an independent.

        I never said or implied the Bible is ambiguous or imperfect. I said the meaning of words have changed over time. More recent translations of the Bible use the word murder instead of kill.

        Your apologies for being an @ss are accepted.

    • just sayin

      God says you shall not “murder” not kill

    • just sayin

      gun was carried at recommendation of police because the pepper spray he ways carrying to protect from a bad neighborhood dog would never have stopped the dog. So he got the gun, the license and the training as recommended, you FOOL Jeff.

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    All the motives Zimmerman is suppose to have for killing Trayon have proved to be unfounded. He is part of the neighborhood watch doing his job looking for people like Trayon. Trayon, a 6 foot 2 young man, has a track record that would indicate he was very capable and willing of the actions Zimmerman said he did.

    Zimmerman’s accusers have motives for their actions. They are radical leftist pushing the divide and conquer theory on America posturing themselves as would be mob leaders. “When I blowa da whis, everybody offa da dock” Others test the political winds for the position they take, and that includes people in law enforcement. This is democracy, mob rule, in action. Zimmerman lost the vote, hopefully just for now.

  • 45caliber

    Can any of you readers in FL find a late picture of Martin? Perhaps in his high school year book? I would LOVE to see one! All I see are pictures of him at about 10 years old…

  • revnowwhilewecan

    If leftist, bought and paid for, Al not-so-Sharpton wanted to help his boy in the W.H. out, now could be a great time to come out and say, “Hey, maybe we jumped the gun on this a little and let’s wait and be objective with ALL the facts.” Then he could state a quote from MLK Jr. and look like he’s not making the issue a racial one. Dr. King is probably looking down on the actions of Sharpton and pleading his case before God asking Him for forgiveness, for he knows not how much stupidity comes out his mouth breeds hatred.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

    unless you people were witness to what happened then i feel that zimmerman should get the benefit of doubt. don’t be condemming him for something he may be innocent of.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      But that is not the way eddie, Flashy, and Jeff work. The work from the premis that Zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent and even then he is suspect.

  • old hillbilly

    There is no news here – everything was know the night of the killing and as each tidbit of Mr. Z’s condition as well as the condition of trevon’s knuckles – the mortician stated so on TV long before Z was jailed & charged with 2nd degree murder!

    The DA openly and deliberately violated Amendments 4, 5, and 14, which also violates her oath of office. She deliberately by passed grand jury indictment! because she knew a grand jury would not indict a citizen on false contrived charges.

    The DA allowed Sharpton and Jackson the spew false charges, hate, and incite mob violence against Z because he was perceived as WHITE!

    The DA didn’t arrest Jackson & Sharpton and disclose the facts that would repudiate their venom, and defuse racist mob violence

    The DA brought no charges against racists who have a bounty of Zimmerman’s head

    Using high the office of justice to violate oath and Constitution surely voids any legal immunity of office for such actions.

    I hope Z nails her and the state of Fla. The Constitution needs resurrecting!

    • just sayin

      hoorah! best part of this discussion. i agree

  • gunner689AI

    I predict that Zimmerman will get the Bernie Getz treatment. If found innocent on the State level the Feds will step in and keep trying him until they get the verdict they want. Anything to appease the savages.

    • AnneOnymous

      Your definitely on to something there gunner.. Though I’m exhausted in hearing ‘both’ sides of this story, I have to side with the ‘Z’ man if the evidence leans toward Martin’s knuckles. Remember, at one point Zimmerman returned to his P.U. and it was at that time an attack ensued. If Zimmerman was heading back then in his mind, the cops will follow through. Also, Martin had a cell phone, at any time he could have called 911 if he was frightened by an alleged stalker (remember, it was said that at one point, Martin fled). For those who know that Zimmerman is a murderer, there’s absolutely nothing that’s going to change their minds even up to and including a ‘Not Guilty’ verdict (if it even goes to court). Yes, I can see where pressure will be placed on this unfortunate circumstance until the verdict coincides with those who will not accept a not guilty verdict.

  • libertarian

    If only we had a real news media in this country instead of an entertainment driven freak show, we would have been provided the real news and story when it came out. And the circus goes on in a happy merry-go-round. Zimmerman was another victim of Jump Justice in a clueless wonderland.

    • Jeff

      Only in Foxland is Zimmerman the victim. He may not be guilty of murder 2, but he is no victim!

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