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New Bill Would Punish States For Lax Background Checks On Gun Buyers

May 12, 2011 by  

New bill would punish States for lax background checks on gun buyersDemocratic lawmakers have introduced legislation that would enhance the nation’s background check system for the purchase of firearms.

Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) has been joined by two dozen other House members in support of the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2011, which would require all gun sellers to conduct background checks on buyers. In addition, the law would also impose tougher penalties on States that do not operate in compliance with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

If approved, the bill would create incentives for States that report records on criminals, mentally ill residents and other prohibited shoppers to the NICS.

Senator Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced similar legislation last week. The bills are based on a proposal developed by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which is a coalition of 550 mayors led by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The campaign to tighten the country’s background check system took center stage following the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation recently reported that the number of background-check applications has significantly increased this year. The NICS processed approximately 4.25 million requests in the first quarter of 2011, which is a 16 percent increase from the same period in 2010, according to Bloomberg.

Nicholas Colas, chief market strategist at BNY ConvergEx Group, told the media outlet that an increase in prospective gun buyers represents Americans’ doubts about the nation’s economic future. Similar to the reasons behind gold purchases, widespread interest in firearms reveals that many residents are wary of the nation’s stability.

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  • newspooner

    The communists are at it again.

    • Jack

      Couldn’t agree more! Background checks are for the Gov.control anti-gunners so that they have info on the law abiding gun owners and “Nothing ” to do with crime.They know that until they take all the legal owned guns from the people of America ,that then they can remove the 2nd Admn..and then the rest of the constituion with ease.Then they(the anti gun and Government)can take over our country with their self serving ways of their own. Better get real America in Nov. and STOP the Obama clan and his cronies!

      • Ellen

        So true. They can add all the hurdles they can dream up for the honest people, but criminals won’t be impacted. Any criminal who wants a gun can get one easily. More background checks won’t have any impact on the criminal gun sales.

        • granny mae


          I have said the very same thing for years. They don’t take our guns for the safety of citizens, because the people making all our lives unsafe will always have the guns and more ! The next step will be to make our children that join the military, become our non-children. They will endoctrin them to turn on the very citizens of this country that are willing to stand up for the constitution and so the military will shoot their own friens and family if they are ordered to ! God help us all !

          • granny mae

            Carolyn McArthy, is a democrat from NY. That says a lot. New York already has all these gun laws and they are trying to push them off on the rest of the country. I don’t think that most of these politicians really think about what they are doing when they make laws. They come at a subject with only one side of a situation and that is how they make laws. Very one sided and not good for everybody. They will argue that they have to do this because they have to stop the killing and maiming of people, but what they don’t understand is in all of these situations like the shooting in Arizona, they are dealing with psycotics. They are not dealing with the cause of the problem so you can’t stop the problem until you do. The problem is not the gun it is the psycotic ! If you take his gun away he will murder with a knife or a bomb, or will use acid or some other hideous thing. Guns don’t kill,….People kill !

      • granny mae

        Jack you are so right. I agree ! There is a very big movement afloat that is hell bent on taking over this country and making us part of the one world order ! They want to make us like every other controled country in the world and it is not for our good it is for their power ! People like Soros and several others !

    • wandamurline

      Our Constitution does not say we have to have a background check in order to carry a gun. This administration wants to disarm us so they can make us slaves to the government…and that is not going to happen. We need to put this lady into our sights for termination on her next election cycle and all who go along with her. The ways things are going, we will be using our guns to fight our own government…how did we allow 535 people destroy America? It is time to take her back.

      • JOHN T. FOX


        • granny mae

          John T Fox,

          You have said it all !

      • DavidL

        Back off. This lady, Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) lost her husband to a wacko with a handgun on the Long Island railroad. He also almost killed her son who is severely handicapped today. You can disagree with her proposed gun policy, but don’t doubt for a minute where she comes from, or her genuine motivation and concern for the safety of others.

        As you should know from reading many of the opinions expressed on this site, (especially yours today) people can be sincere, but also sincerely wrong. Your reference to “taking her out” is, to say the least, uninformed and highly inappropriate.

        We all have to avoid the temptation to throw someone out of the human race, and even dehumanize and threaten violence upon them, simply because we do not share their views.

        • Orbus

          DavidL :you back off

          Carolyn McCarthy husband was killed by a black racist Jamaican Illegal on the Long Island Train system, who set out to shoot and kill every white man that day. She is an idiot who blames the gun and not the racist who killed him.

        • lkar

          Nice background on the lady. But you misquoted wandamurline. It is not “take her out”, it is “take her back”. I think referring to the Republic of the USA. As far as the background information, the logic would be to get criminals out of the public, not guns away from law abidding citizens.

        • Eddie Shruba

          DavidL McCarthy is a moron and so are you. Crawl back into your sheephole and hope that nothing bad is ever gonna happened to you. MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • http://?? Joe H.


        • granny mae


          It is not just a simple case of not agreeing with their views especially when they are trying to impose their views on me and the rest of the people that dissagree with them. I know her situation and I give her my sympathy but stop and think of what I said in an eariler post about going to the real source of the problem. The gun was not the problem it was the person with the gun. The person with the gun was a psycotic that should have been in the hospital in the first place. He was not and we have laws on the books that make it impossible at times to put these sick people where they can get the help they truly need. Had he been in an institution where he should have been he would have never had the gun and her husband would be alive today and her son would be whole and healthy. It was not the gun that did the deed it was the person with the gun. There are too many people walking this earth today that need help, mentaly, and are not getting it and that puts all the rest of us in danger. Now this guy was bent on destroying human life and if he hadn’t had a gun he would have had something else. A knife , a machetty, a bomb anything he could think of to help him in his quest ! These people are not stupid they are sick. They can think and make bombs and think out what ever it takes to do their terrible desires. That is what makes them so dangerous. We need to find ways to force these people to get the help they need so they can live a more normal life and in that way innocent people can live theit lives to their normal end ! Think People ! When confronted with a situation always think it back to the very beginning if you want to find the solution. If two cars are in a wreck and someone dies, do you ban all cars ? No you think back to the real cause of the car getting in the wreck. Someone driving one of those cars was not driving properly and caused that wreck. That person needs to be delt with not the cars !

    • lkar

      So what is the cost? In face of huge deficits, these guys should be looking at ways to streamline and reduce government involvement. But they can only come up with “incentives” (read more federal spending) and increased enforcement (read more federal spending).
      How about going after illegal operations (read Operation Gunrunner) and criminials that commit crimes with guns. It is the individual not the gun! But to a liberal, only the government can “protect” the citizen.
      Just to be clear, this legislation does not bother me personally as I have nothing to hide. But the principle of the legislation is wrong!

      • granny mae

        Legislation that doesn’t confront the real problem is bogus, and a big waste of time and money as far as I’m concerned. We have enough of that kind of thing in Washington DC as it is ! Where in the world are we ever going to find people with common sense instead of so many people with an agenda of their own ?

    • Richard Neva

      Newspooner you would not know a communist from a ball of sewing yarn! You and all your Tea Party pals confuse Communism with Fascism. Communism even has two or more facets. Stalinism which rules Russia with an iron hand and the same in China. The closest approximation of Marxist Communism is Cuba and some countries in South America that are nationalizing all corporate imperialist power! You need to brush up on your research before you label anything in America as communist influenced, you sound like a fool! Get some education will you please.

      • newspooner

        You should not show your ignorance and be venomous towards the messenger. I suspect that I have known far more Communists than you have. Talking and debating with people like Alger Hiss, Gordon Hall, Abbie Hoffman, James Roosevelt, Barney Frank, Robert Drinan, etc. over many years has made it quite easy for me to identify Communists, communists, Socialists, socialists, fascists, corporatists, nazis, and other various sorts of evil people and fools. I suppose you agree with Sgt. Dork (Mike Dukakis) and think that Alger Hiss was not a Communist??

      • Gary in Texas


      • 45caliber


        You should REALLY spend more time on research! Cuba is Marxist? Not hardly! Marxism is a pure democracy – he believed even in voting on what to buy at the grocery store. No one owned anything. It did NOT include executing half your population who disagreed with you like Castro and his friends have done.

      • granny mae

        Richard Neva,

        Where do you live?….. Surly not in the US ! Talk about nationalizing industry, what the heck to you call taking over banks, Auto industries and housing and the behind the sceans take over of the Television networks in this country? You need to get the education and wake up to what is going on before your very closed eyes ! God save us from the rest of your kind !

    • EddieW

      I orderd a pistol online, no background check at all…I got part of the order today..I will register it with the Sheriff’s office, as I intend to carry concealed, as a responsible person!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I don’t know where you are from, but you can do that in any state that you can legally buy guns in. They just send the gun to a licensed dealer in your area, in most cases. Once it gets to THAT dealer a background check is performed. I have friends that have done that here in Ohio.

  • concerned

    The mayor of NY needs to find a hobby and stay out of the lives of the american people. We need guns so that the politicians realize that when they go to far, we will be there! If you tell a lie long enogh , then you start to belive that lie to be the truth: Politicians!!!

    • 45caliber


      That is EXACTLY why they don’t want us to have the guns. And Bloomberg is one who wants to insure we can’t object to whatever he decides to do. Of course, he can keep his guns. Just you can’t.

  • DanB

    “all gun sellers” — I wonder how true that statement is. I believe in upholding the law and such, but the government seems to be more interested in controlling the populace than really protecting us. If we take a moment to think, if this really impacts ALL gun sellers than that would mean private sales as well. Imagine being prosecuted because you sold your personal property to your neighbor…. And if they can do this for guns, imagine that they could do this for anything any individual or business sells. And, yes, the government already does some of this. I seem to recall that certain toys can be illegal to sell even in your garage sale. How many of keep track of what was legal five years ago but has been declared illegal for purchase/sale now?

    • 45caliber

      They DO mean private sales. Not only that, it includes gifts such as buying a gun for your wife or child. And it includes inheritance of guns.

    • granny mae

      Isn’t it strange that we citizens are restricted in our ownership and sales of guns but the government is selling guns and major weapons to drug cartels and drug runners across the boarder. The poor citizen that lives near the boarder won’t even be able to protect his family or himself from these thugs and murderers coming on his property and breaking into his home or stealing his trucks and cars ! Some one in Washington needs to get a real life and start thinking beyond their own little world !

      • granny mae

        And to think that Obama lied this last week and told Texas people, Hyspanics in particular, that the boarder was safe and there was no need to worry. He is telling them lies to get their vote. I think we should move the oval office down to Arizona or Texas on the boarder and make him stay there for one month and see how safe he thinks it is after that month ? He is the biggest liar I have ever seen and the biggest threat to this country there ever was. Why he hasn’t been impeached I have no idea except that he has had Soros buy his security seat in the White House ! Soros has bought every television network in this country. That came out today, as though we didn’t already know it ! When they don’t cover news that all the people are interrested in hearing about that is dangerous to the soveirgnty of this country and a way of controling you as the citizens of this country. When a country is in a war and another faction is fighting against that country what is the first thing they try to gain control of? It is the radio and television network so they can control the people and what they know. That doesn’t need to happen in this country because the communist Soros has already taken care of that with his money. He now controls everything you are told and see on the major networks. NBC, ABC, CBS ! People you have been taken over by Obama and his henchmen and you didn’t even know it! They will be buying the votes come this election too ! Wait and see ! Isn’t it a shame that man has lost his dignity, honesty, and morality to the point that he can be bought with money ! And get this, it is money that is worthless today ! …. The only hope for us that I can see is to expose his every lie everytime he says one ! Call him on it in public and expose his true self ! If we don’t make sure that he looses this next election we will have lost this country forever. It is that crucial. We only see what is above the surface that they want us to see, but you can find what is under the surface if you look hard enough !

  • Ranchman

    The libtards, with obnoxious socialists like schumer leading them, are doing everything they can to make background checks mandatory for even private firearms sales between individuals. After that, legislation will be introduced making it mandatory to have a special license from the FBI for having an “armory,” which will be anything over 5 or 6 guns. They will follow-up this unconstitutional nonsense with keeping a federal register of all guns purchased, 3 or 4 day waiting periods, one gun a month purchase limits, psychiatric evaluations, and eventually nation wide gun confiscations. I would say this is the real fear Americans have and is why there have been so many firearms sold since obummer got elected, not the “economy”!

    • 45caliber


      The last time the idea of registering “armories” came up, they identified an armory as anything with more than 3 guns OR 1000 rounds of ammo. That includes .22 ammo – and I normally buy that in 550 round boxes. So I’m certain that I have over 1000 rounds at my home. Supposedly you will not only register but also pay a yearly license fee that varied between $250 a year to over a $1000. One Congressman even suggested a tax of over $100 per year for EACH gun and for ammo over 1000 rounds in addition.

      They simply want to eliminate those who can’t afford to pay thousands of dollars a year to keep their guns.

      • granny mae


        You know what? It is then that we should all organize and pool our dues as a club to pay the tax for those that can’t afford to pay it. Wouldn’t that frost them ? If you can’t fight them alone then you join together and work that way ! I’m just sayin !

  • tim

    Yet they have done nothing with the atf and the dept of justice for thier part in letting weapons go over the border into mexico that they purchased. Weapons that killed an american agent!

    • 45caliber

      And when the Repubs who are trying to check this out ask, the Dept. of Justice is refusing to give them any data on the grounds that they have an investigation underway and therefore can’t produce any of the data for the Congressional investigation.

      • granny mae

        There is your Obama control for you ! Too bad there wasn’t a spy in the dept. that could leak the info. If we could only get some filthy rich person to buy off a few people like Soros does we would be in business !

  • Cawmun Cents

    Invite them to a fundraising dinner at $5,000 a plate and when they sit down to eat,tell them they have to wait ten days for their meal and walk away.If that doesnt tell them how stupid their law is….

    • 45caliber

      They are unable to see the simularity.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      I LIKE that idea!!!!

    • granny mae

      LOL…LOL…LOL ! Love it !

  • Publius2012

    It is time to stop kittyfootin with these megalomaniacs wishing to destroy all freedoms starting with the second amendment. The rest will fall for sure as they did in other countries with such nefarious agendas. These people are not concerned with anyone’s safety, just their own desire for power and control. un owners unite. We are 200 million strong in the USA. It is time to take our country back and put politicians at bay who would deny us our rights. Send all these idiots packing in 2012 or be prepared to defend your rights with force.

    • granny mae

      Now that is what I like to hear ! Especially if we unite to make sure they get voted out of office. We could show them just how powerful they are not ! Unite and be heard and we can do it without all those big fund raisers. Just each one pass the word to everyone you meet and show them all the lies of the party in office. Shine a light on the darkness of the ruling party ! expose, expose, expose !

  • ray

    A bit of history on how well gun control and registration has worked,could work. Allow me to paste.

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.. From 1929 to
    about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
    up and exterminated.


    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
    Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and


    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945 a total
    of13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
    rounded up and exterminated.

    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
    political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and


    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
    Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and


    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
    Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and


    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
    educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and


    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
    because of gun control: 56 million.


    You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
    disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
    gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
    of this history lesson.

    With guns, we are ‘citizens.’

    Without them, we are ‘subjects’.

    • Lastmanstanding

      ray…great job…Why do people think that it won’t happen again?

      Oh, I forgot…The govt won’t let it!!!

    • LiLBKP

      Ray hope you don’t mind but I’ve copied your gun control info and will be sharing it on facebook. Thanks LiLBKP

      • granny mae


        How can I find you on facebook? I too would like to pass this around. Just remember your instructing granny and I’m not hep on this stuff. I have no clue as to how to copy and paste especially from one thing to another ! I can point and click and that is about it !

        • libertytrain

          Granny – if you can right click your mouse you will see copy and paste functions there. Practice a little – first place your mouse where you want to start to copy then hold down the left side of your mouse clicker till you get to the last word you want – then right click and the little menu gives you options like copy, paste, etc. Just practice a little -

    • Curtis S

      Hahaha… the antiquated (and ridiculous) argument that “the right to bear arms” will somehow keep government in check because its citizens own guns. What century are you living in? You’re not a member of the “Minutemen” shooting at an army conveniently wearing bright red uniforms. You and your handguns and rifles are going up against modern police and military forces that are better equipped than any rabble of 21st century “Minutemen” could ever hope to be. Those forces are able to outwit and out manoeuvre armed citizens with radio/satellite communications. They’ll know your every move and exact location with heat sensitive optics and spy satellites. Never mind the fact that they’ll have armored vehicles, helicopters, drones and superior fire power. Yeah… the 2nd Amendment must have modern governments shaking in their boots. During the Revolutionary War the “Minutemen” got their name because of how fast they could mobilize. In the 21st century “Minutemen” will refer to the probable life expectancy of a participant in an armed uprising. What makes you think you’ll do better than the Branch Davidians did against the ATF in Waco?
      The argument against this stupidity was perfectly made by Ikar. Gun control laws are moronic because they target law-abiding citizens, do nothing to reduce criminal activity and most importantly… gun control laws cost WAY too much $$$ to administer. That’s your argument… not some misguided notion that a citizen army can rise up against a 21st paramilitary group.

      • 45caliber


        It is evident that you were never in the military and never if a war situtation. Most of those things are NOT available except in total war. If you are looking for a small mobile unit of soldiers/terrorists/guerrillas, whatever, they send a small infantry unit to look for you. And generally the way they look for you is to run back and forth hoping someone will take a shot at them.

        Yes, all that stuff can be a problem – but there are solutions for most of it.

        • Curtis S

          45Cal… My limited military experience notwithstanding… I beg to differ. My local police service has excellent radio communication and a helicopter with night vision capabilities. I still don’t believe a citizen army stands a chance in todays world.

          But my main point is… Ikar’s post was right. Gun laws are a waste of tax dollars, just ask any Canadian. Their recent election of a majority Conservative government was in part due to the Conservative Party’s promise to scrap the long gun registry. Years ago the Liberal government said it would cost $2 million… less than a decade later its cost has soared to over $2 BILLION and it still isn’t operational. Criminals don’t register guns… and any $$$ spent on gun control is waste.

          • independant thinker

            If your stance was true we would have been out of Afganistan 5 years or more ago.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Read up a little on the Viet Cong and their fight against the French AND the US! They made destructive weapons from almost nothing! We had to make sure that all tail rotor drive shafts that were replaced had been bent all to hell as they would make a one use mortar tube from it! They were a very inventive people!! We fought them for a very long time for a people that were very poorly armed, and all enemy troops were determined to defeat them!! That very well wouldn’t be the case in the states. Any “rebels” would more than likely have support from the military and civillians alike!!

          • granny mae

            If an armed citizenry is not a problem then why is the gov. so bent on eliminating all guns ? We the main citizen is not concerned in fighting a war, with hunting rifles and pistols, we are cocerned in self defense and protection from those that aim to do us harm in any situation ! As for fighting a war, well they can’t be all places , all the time. You don’t need to blast away at thousands of enemy to win a war, you need to be a surgen and make strategic shots count ! Every war we have fought as a nation in the last 45 years has been lost due to gurilla fighters ! They did not have big fancy weapons like we had and yet they hurt us to the point that we left and came home. We cut our losses and ran so to speak ! We had all the big guns and fire power, so don’t underestimate the other guy in a war ever !

    • 45caliber


      The next time someone suggests gun control, point out that 50+ million people have been surpressed by those who wanted gun control. Ask them who they want to surpress here.

  • Mick


    Unfortunatly our so well educated society has no clue to what a government is capable of once it’s citizens are disarmed.
    Our society is full of people with college degrees but not a lick of common sense.

    • 45caliber

      Most of us gain common sense through experience – or perhaps I should say we use common sense to consider experience in making a decision. The college kids have little experience and probably little training at home on handling problems. I made a point of insuring that my own kids understood why I was making any serious decision – based on common sense and experience. Too many parents don’t bother and then wonder what happened to their kids later.

      • Mick

        45caliber says:
        May 12, 2011 at 10:50 am
        Most of us gain common sense through experience – or perhaps I should say we use common sense to consider experience in making a decision. The college kids have little experience and probably little training at home on handling problems. I made a point of insuring that my own kids understood why I was making any serious decision – based on common sense and experience. Too many parents don’t bother and then wonder what happened to their kids later.


        You’re absolutly right…Some parents don’t bother but many other parents don’t have any common sense either,,,Kinna like the blind leading the blind..

        • granny mae

          With what I’m finding out is being taught in our colleges today it is no wonder our kids have no common sense ! They are being taught just the opposite of what we want them to learn and it is starting out in our grade schools ! I was shocked to say the least. Now I know where my grandson is coming up with some of the stuff he comes home with ! Parents are trying to teach their kids common sense and dignity, honesty, and honor and when we send them to school they are teaching your kids just the opposite ! Friends, start this year and go into the school and look at the books your kids are being taught from and just what they are being taught ! You may be getting the shock of your life ! The thing that started me to thinking about this was when it came out that Obama was going to give a commencement talk at Catholic college and he asked them to cover up the crusifix and they did ! That is unthinkable at a Christian college of any kind and still they did it ! Well if that is something they would compramize and do then they would do anything else they might think was ok for a non Cathoilc ! No. If you go to a religious college of any kind it is because you want the education they can provide , not the same old thing you could get in any other old college ! Grade schools and high schools are the same , especially the ones that your tax money is going to to pay for books and teachers and electric bills and computers and so on. Get demanding with your schools and then you will have some say in whatyour kids are learning, especially how to use common sense. In a socialist society that we have been living in they don’t want your children to learn common sense. It is too hard to control a person that knows how to think through what is true and what is a lie !

    • granny mae


      Sweetie you are so right on with that statement ! Hurah for you !

  • Raggs

    If you have a CHCL you will not need to be checked for every purchase.

    However this is looking like an attempt gain power, abuse power, and usurp power… Intimidation of the public through propaganda and lies.

    • jibbs

      Please provide some Truth on that statement.

      • PADoug

        I don’t know what state you are in but here you get a NIC check with EVERY purchase. Not only that, buy 2 pistols in one week and you get a “special” notice sent to BATFE.

    • 45caliber


      At the moment, a holder of a CHCL simply shows it to a dealer who sells the gun. That is definately one thing they want to stop since they have no record of that sale in Washington. If they call Washington to check against the records there, they do have a record on file – even though they insist they scrub that file every couple of weeks or so.

    • independant thinker

      True Raggs but it does depend on what state you live in. The more enlightened states know that CCW carriers are responsible and do not need a seperate check each time while the states with less pro-gun attitudes require a check for each sale no matter what.

  • GRusling

    Simple fact. Our Constitution (which includes the 2nd Amendment) says the Federal Government can’t even “INFRINGE” our right to keep and bear arms, so Washington Political Idiots can make whatever “law” they choose, but NONE of them are superior to the Constitution itself (the law which applies TO them) and none can CHANGE the Constitution or its plain meaning, and that includes any “RULING” by the Supreme Court, which is also subject to everything our constitution says.

    While we’re on the subject, exactly WHERE in the Constitution is the Supreme Court authorized to “INTERPRET” the words of our Constitution? I’ve read that document a number of times and STILL can’t find where that’s authorized. Wouldn’t that be like sending the FOX to guard the HENHOUSE?

    “Article V” describes the method for changing the Constitution, and the Supreme Court is nowhere mentioned…

    • James

      GRusling, Article III, Section 2 says: “The judicial Power shall extend to Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority.”
      It has always been understood that resolving such cases involves the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. To do so, the Justices use the Constitutional Convention records to ascertain what the Founder intended by the words they used in the Constitution.

      • 45caliber

        James: The problem is that too many times the SCOTUS tends to interpret the words of the Constitution per what they want it to say rather than what the Founders intended. Or at least they try to do it that way. Take the Defense of Marriage Act. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says anything about marriage but the SCOTUS is trying hard to come up with an interpretation that allows gay marriage among other things.

        • James

          45caliber, Quite true, even the Supreme Court has added meanings to the Constitution that were never there. For example, in “liberty” of the 14th Amendment, the High Court has added miscegenation, homosexuality, and abortion as rights, which obviously was never intended by the Founders. In fact, the 14th Amendment’s Section 1 was only intended to apply to the just freed slaves.

    • James

      GRusling, The Second Amendment’s restriction does apply exclusively to Congress. However, the first case to actually apply that was District of Columbia v. Heller (2009). It held that a District ordinance which prohibited possession of handguns in the District of Columbia had violated the Second Amendment. Since then, their McDonald v. Chicago (2010) decision has held that Chicago’s ban on handguns in that area violated the “Liberty” of the due provess clause in the 14th Amendment. They held that one’s liberty now includes the right to possess a handgun, as they held in Heller. Other rights that have been included in “liberty” are homosexual acts and abortion (Lawrence v. Texas, and Roe v. Wade, respectively).


    Another reason for term limits, the legislators are involved in a law area that already is so over regulated you wouldn’t think another law was needed. This is their way of making trouble, getting their names on record and avoiding real need for vital law. What all this indicates is that we have a lot of lazy ass people being paid to screw up……

    • 45caliber

      I agree. We have a legislature in session now in Texas. They are passing law after law – but most are things such as recognizing some particular day or week as something like “State Bluebird Day”. Yet they claim they are very busy because they are passing all these “laws” … while the critical ones needed (usually only two or three) are languishing.

  • Former Walmart person

    Things are a little different now. Back in the day of the founding fathers, the guns used by the regulars were MAYBE a little better than the gund used by the miltia. Today, our military has tactical nukes, apache helicopters, checmical warhead laced artillerly rounds, predator drones, etc. So, today, the weaponry our military and other government military has access to far exceeds the weaponry you can buy at your gun dealer.

    Am I missing something here, or do I think its not going to matter one iota if we have guns or not?

    See, I think our military either sides with the Pentegram or with the people. Can someone explain to me how a group of hicks in the woods with their shot guns and AR-15s can stand up to an apache helicopter or an A-10 warthog raining down depleted urainum death upon them? In Iraq, our military lost thousands of soldiers, but I keep hearing from Alex Jones about the “1 million dead Iraqis”. So, basically, our military in Iraq killed 100-1000 Iraqis for every dead American soldier.

    Our fate is in the military’s hands. They either become Nazis and damn us all or side with the people and give us a fighting chance. The real threat is not from the elite, i.e. Al Gore and company who are pot bellied pigs who can’t be bothered from their cock tail parties. The real threat is and always has been the soldiers designed to fight the soldiers from other countries, but who always end up being used on their own people.

    • PADoug

      Ever hear of Oathkeepers”?

    • 45caliber

      You are somewhat correct. Our real threat is soldiers.

      However, I don’t believe it will come down to those soldiers being our military. In fact, most of our military is now overseas. And I expect them to remain there as long as our politicians continue to hope to take over control of this country from we the people. I don’t believe that in a move of that sort our military would join the government.

      What I would expect is to see either a foreign troop movement (such as the UN troops) or the Internal Security Force Oblama spoke about creating who are armed in the same manner as our troops. They would be selected to be loyal only to him.

      However, don’t discount the “hicks in the woods”. The military would have to find them first and then defeat them. Raining bullets or whatever from the air will NEVER fully defeat a ground force. It requires another ground force. We had all that in Vietnam but it was still very difficult to find the VC. It would be the same here. It is only the authors of fiction books and the non-military who assume that the ground troops would be destroyed.

      And one good sniper can cause any military unit problems. He might not win – but they would have a hard time finding and stopping him except by luck.

    • granny mae

      Former Walmart person,

      I think the thing we all need to remember is these soldiers that you are refering to are really our sons and daughters. What is in their character and hearts is what we as their parents have instilled in them all their lives. That is why we as parents are so crucial to our children and their lives as they are growing up. That means that you can’t let them always have their own way. You can’t let them be the boss because they don’t really know how just yet. You take them by the hand and walk them hand in hand through life for as long as they are with you. You teach them the importance of life for all mankind and how to judge when they are being told to do something that is contrary to what they have always been taught by mom and dad. Teach them to love and show them your love. Teach them to trust in you and in their Lord at all times. There is a passage in the Bible that says. “train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart there from .” If you trian them in love and with authority to respect you and all mankind they will never depart from that teaching and would never turn a gun on your or their friends. That is your hope in this uncertain world, that and in my opinion, a belief in God !

  • 45caliber

    So … they want to eliminate any chance of an individual selling a gun to another without going through a dealer. It would also eliminate anyone giving a gun as a gift to a family member. And it would cause a LOT of problems for anyone inheriting guns from a deceased family member.

    I can remember someone a couple of years ago commenting that it took them over two years to get permission to inherit the guns that had been in their family for nearly a hundred years from their father. The state was Mass. and they lived outside the state. It cost them several thousand dollars because they constantly had to run to court and present their case over and over, among other things, while the state was insisting that when someone died the guns went to the state to be destroyed.

    We do NOT need this type of legislation! I don’t care what you libs might believe. I inherited a rifle from my father, and I want my son to inherit it after I’m gone. I have other guns I’ve bought for my kids and now grandkids and I want them to have those too. There is nothing in the Constitution that says I can’t give a gun to them.

    • Former Walmart person

      Man up 45 calibur. I am not sure what kind of balls are in that sack of yours, but they could use some hardening. Give your gun to your children despite being beaten, raped, or slaughtered in prision. If we don’t stand up to these aholes now then we will just die a painful death in a conentration camp. I say hand me a quick and violent death where I can drag some goons with me in to the pit of destruction than a terrible life on my knees.

      Remember, the Jews weren’t awarded with nightly steak dinners and riches when they gave in to the Nazis. Their “reward” was humiliation of the most severe form, starvation, and death any way which by the time it happened, was really a blessing to end the pain.

      • 45caliber

        You needent worry. The kids will get them. I’m just saying that the law is designed to stop it. And it will have penalties to punish those who ignore the law. What they want to do is include records in their law, making them legal, so that if a gun is found in the hands of some criminal they can make the owner-of-record responsible for the crime instead of the crimnial.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          That would be kinda hard in the case of an inheritance. The original owner is usually DEAD when the weapon is passed on!! Besides, with all my health problems, it would cost them so much money to put me in prison that they’d probably give me the death penalty anyways, so I’m gonna worry???

        • granny mae


          Think of doing your given while your liven so your knowen where it’s goin ! When you get to my and my husbands age you think of that often. There are certain things that my husband wants to make sure his boys get and at this point in time he is not using the things any longer so there is no sense in holding on to them so they can get foweld up in a will, so he is giving his treasures over at Christmas time so he is knowin where they are goin ! The only things that will have to wait till our death are the things that we are still using until then ! That is mostly our money and our property we live in !

  • Jerbigge

    Been giving this some thought recently over a discussion about a second American Civil War. The Army and Marines would probably be on the side of the people in the “red” (Republican) states. However the Air Force is less likely to be so. Navy is also an “unknown” in any such conflict. The “blue” (Democrat) states on mostly on the coasts. We can assume that the rest of the developed world will be on the “blue” side of things. Ditto for China and Russia. It was argued that the “blue” will lose because the “red” controls the food supply. However the “blue” controls the sea ports and can import food assuming the Navy supports the “blue” side. Ditto for the Air Force. So things might not go the way the conservatives think it will. In any case it would be far worse than our first Civil War in 1861-1865. Air Force and Navy also holds the nuclear weapons too…

    • 45caliber

      If it helps, my wife and others in the Military Moms Troop Support were told at a meeting with the military that one of eight people in the military – all branches – were from Texas. And I seriously doubt if any of those people would automatically fire on their own people. Nor would they allow others to do it.

      Yes, there will be some units (like ships) that have enough people on it to support the government – but more will not. I’m not worried about the blues, as you designate them, getting much in the way of military support even though many of them do believe so.

      As one lib once said, “The military MUST be on our side – they have to obey the CIC – the President – and he’s on our side.”

      The military is made up of citizens of the US – and 90% of them are conservative – reds as you called them.

      • Random in Texas

        The military takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It does not take an oath to uphold and defend the government or the POTUS. That would be all the military; Army, Marines, Navy, and Air Force. I expect the military would be torn. There are those who will obey the government no matter what. Sorry to say, there are those who will fire on their own citizens if ordered to do so. There are also those who will not. Don’t count on someone being from Texas to be a guideline. Likewise, don’t sell short those from other states either.

        • independant thinker

          “The military takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

          While this is true the question is how many will blindly follow orders and how many will will think about their orders and then refuse to follow them because they are unconstitutional.

  • John Joshua Sweet

    Least we forget or miss the obvious Hillary Clinton and the Obamaommunist are supporting the UN’s efforts to eliminate all guns in the hands of private citizens:

  • Don

    I think that the position of the military will depend on the Officers. Note below the difference in the oath taken by officers and enlisted. There is no provision in the officers oath to obey the orders of the President, like there is in the enlisted oath.

    In addition, I don’t believe most folks give much thought, or even know about the concept of the 3%.

    Officers Oath

    “I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

    Enlisted Oath

    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will
    support and defend the Constitution of the United States
    against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will
    bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I
    will obey the orders of the President of the United
    States and the orders of the officers appointed over me,
    according to regulations and the Uniform Code of
    Military Justice. So help me God.

  • http://com i41

    Again another couple of smarxist/communist dumbocraps showing their massive stupidity and mental inactivity. Carolyn should be promoting a bill to shoot on site all illegals and impose a bounty on the illegals End the catch and release dumbocrap plan, this isn’t like fishing, bounty system would make it a private enterprise program, with out having a union interven, since that would be a prime spot for knocking heads in close confines, get a truck load in a few minutes.

  • LAConfidential

    There ARE no illegal guns – only those owned illegally. Sorry for you poor bastards living in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Kalifawnya, NEW YORK, Illinois, etc…, but the REMAINDER of the free world does not have the restrictions that you have allowed your politicians to shackle you with. So – to you people I say, “best of luck”. If all of the American Colonists would have had their “illegal guns” taken away from them, it wouldn’t have been much of a Revolutionary War against the Brits. Sling shots and Bows & Arrows don’t have much effect against superior weaponry. Just ask our Native American brothers and sisters. Take away your means of protecting your gift of life and you may as well be dead.

  • Pete

    Does that legislation cover “infernal weapons” such as Hi Power personal LASERS and MASERS ? Projectile weaponry is so overrated.

  • http://PersonalLibertyAlert Wolverine2

    Unless the People wake up and push their elected officials, so penalty of not being re-elected, those ignorant and stupid mayors will continue to drive this country away from our Constitutional Rights. Watch out ! If these retrogrades succeed in their efforts, I am afraid we are going to have an armed revolution in the country, specially if and when they start to collect the weapons from the hands of law abiding citizens, who will refuse to give them away peacefully. Remember: “From my cold dead hand”? It is scary.

  • Eddie Shruba

    America WAKE UP!!! All the stupid carieer politicians have only one goal.
    To have a total control of you and your life. This is getting way past CRITICAL and ‘WE THE PEOPLE’ will not let this happened.
    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.   Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
    Benjamin Franklin

  • Thamera

    A criminal will always have their guns and all without a background check too.

  • Chris

    The only way to reduce the number of crimes is to reduce the number of criminals. If you have a roach infestation you kill the roaches to reduce the infestation. Why is it so hard for gun control freaks to understand that if you want to reduce the criminal infestation you pass laws to reduce the numbers of criminals not laws to deny law abiding citizens the means to protect themselves from out of control criminals and elected officials? Simple math, fewer criminals a live equals fewer crimes being committed. I support a liberal policy…..I support the liberal use of the death sentence to reduce the criminal population. (It’s cheaper in the long run.)
    And before any one goes freaking off….I would rather be the one innocent man that was executed than let a single deserving criminal escape judgement (execution). I only know of one other man in history that has done that and God was with him.

    • granny mae

      Amen !

  • Eddie Shruba

    It sure looks like some of the politicians and criminals are the same people.
    They compliment each other very nice!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Eddie Shruba,
      I got some “compliments” for them and they aren’t very NICE!!! I only wish I could tell them both here and in person what I think of them, but here it would be deleted!! Suffice it to say, they are SCUM!!

      • Eddie Shruba

        I agree 100%

  • independant thinker

    I notice the “government is always right” group such as JovialAnus and Eddie47 are conspicuously absent from this discussion.

  • PJenkins

    I fully support gun regulation. There’s too many “civilians” and even convicted criminals buying firearms with extreme ease. I’m glad they’ll be doing” on these people and I’m sure this will weed out any “unstable” people that might want to purchase guns.

    • Loki


    • Loki

      Hey PJenkins here’s couple of quotes from two little old ladies that ‘fully support gun regulations’ just like you !
      “Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control International

      “Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.” Janet Reno

      My comment above stands!!!

  • Wili Dtz

    OMG! Im gonna barf!

  • Wili Dtz

    Hey PJ;
    These “new” laws only eat up our time and taxes, and are *never* obeyed by the disobedient.
    It is already a crime to shoot other folks with a gun, but that dosent stop people from doing it.
    Murder already is against the law, stupid.
    So is shooting anything for no good reason.
    Unless you are in the Army, and in free fire zone, then anything goes.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    First McCarthy, then Chuckie Shmucky Schumer. I have to say I am ashamed to admit that I live in New York, very close to Brooklyn, the home of Chucky Shmucky Schumer. And I am in the minority here, as I have never voted for Shmucky, or any other Democrap here in NY. It is easy to understand that some Senators get elected because they are more friendly and polite. E.G., my mother recently met Richard Blumenthal during his visit to her senior citizens apartment complex in Connecticut. On the other hand, Shmucky Schumer, as well as Diane Frankenstein Feinstein and Barbara Madam Boxer are notorious for being rude and obnoxious. People in New York and California should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to re-elect these pieces of human trash!!

    And we’re now hearing about surveys in which nearly a third of people under age 30 hope to leave New York within 5 years. The reasons include high cost of living and taxes, as well as lack of good jobs. We can’t blame them fro not wanting to stay here, but hopefully they’ll educate themselves, friends and relatives as to the reasons for New York’s woes. YES, we know some RINOs have contributed to the dilemma. But most of the blame belongs on today’s ultra-liberal leftwing democrap party. Shmucky Schumer is only one of a huge crowd, who just happens to get more nationwide publicity. First, these young people should understand that if they bring their bad voting habits to other (more conservative and GOP) states, they will not be welcomed warmly by natives of Texas, Florida or South Carolina, and will only cause New York’s woes to spread. Shmucky Schumer is currently unelectable in states like these, until all of New York moves in like locusts!! And even if they stay in New York, the problems can be cured – IF they’d change their voting habits. Shmucky Schumer – type politicians should be defeated; not only on federal, but on state and local level as well. Remember that it is Shmucky Schumer’s ilk that is ruining America and many (blue) states within!!

  • NyNita

    I fully believe there should be very strict gun purchasing/owning laws in place. From where I sit, at least 75% of gun owners are either mentally unstable, alcoholics, drug addicts, nut cases who want to kill certain political figures, and so forth. No one who has radical political beliefs should be allowed to own a gun – they are the very people who will try to overthrow the United States and take it over with their gun-toting, WILD WEST, hillbilly ways/thoughts. And, I do not want to hear anyone’s BS about what political party I belong to – it’s none of your business as my politics has nothing to do with my beliefs on this issue – I see the results every day of my life by what the ownership of guns has done – every day there are way too many idiots toting guns and shooting anyone they get a hair up their butt to shoot. If people are so afraid to go anywhere without a gun – STAY HOME BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH BARS OVER YOUR WINDOWS AND YOUR BLINDS DRAWN – THOSE WHO ARE THAT AFRAID OF THEIR OWN SHADOW ARE THE SAME IDIOTS WHO GO AROUND SHOOTING FOR S**TS AND GIGGLES.

    • Loki

      NyNita you are the biggest MORON on this forum. Move to China,Cuba or some other f….d up place and fade away forever!!! You don’t deserve to be living in this great Republic and enjoying the freedoms it provides!!!
      You are an absolute IDIOT!!!

  • Bin Ladens Buddy

    You are all right.. I love this country. I am not from here, but the fact that I can get my hands on a weapons at any time any gun shows, without a background check is great. And you advertised the gun shows on your highway billboards it is wonderful. Praise Allah!

    jut kidding…. Just wanted to prove how stupidly dangerous you idiots are being. If you are a law abiding citizen, you shouldn’t have a problem being responsible and legally obtaining a gun!


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