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New Bill Will Improve Climate, Deliver Green Jobs, Democrats Say

October 1, 2009 by  

New bill will improve climate, deliver green jobs, Democrats say Democratic Senators Barbara Boxer of California and John Kerry of Massachusetts have unveiled a climate change bill which promises to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and create new jobs.

It proposes to cut emissions by 20 percent from 2005 levels by 2020, which is more stringent than the 17 percent proposed in the bill that narrowly passed the House in June.

As such, it has prompted top Republicans to denounce it as a "terrible idea," with House Minority leader John Boehner of Ohio saying that "middle-class families and small businesses struggling to make ends meet shouldn’t be punished with costly legislation that will increase electricity bills, raise gasoline prices and ship more American jobs overseas."

The proposal, labeled the Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act, also includes provisions to create both a floor and a ceiling for emission-allowance costs to spur investment in cleaner technologies and limit the potential energy prices growth under the carbon cap.

It furthermore contains subsidies for the development of nuclear, natural gas and "clean" coal power.

The event marked the start of what is expected to be a tough battle in the Senate this fall over climate legislation leading into the global climate summit in Copenhagen, Denmark, in December.
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  • s c

    It’s nice to know Kerry Poppins and his camp-follower buds still care about America. I suppose he and his chums mean several jobs will be created in the next 10-15 years [maybe, if the dollar isn't being used for toilet paper].
    We need jobs NOW, hypocrites – not when it’s convenient for Washington’s mouth-flapping, hot air theorists to deliver. At last report, American jobs are still disappearing. That means political theories in Washington are more important than reality. Does this mean America’s infrastructure will take a back seat to more high tech promises? What happened to all of that stimulus money? Put the arm on Soros and Gates, weasels.
    Someone refresh my memory. How many decades have the hypocrisy ‘elites’ been talking about high tech jobs for the masses? Put up, or shut up. You’ve had too long. You’ve got plenty of ‘experts’ and world-shaking czars, so produce! Show America and the world you can do more than talk.

    • Todd

      S C,

      I couldn’t have said it better myself. You asked where the stimulus money is going? I can give you a couple examples of how its being used in my town. They’re repaving a highway that was in near perfect condition to begin with. They’re even replacing the guardrails at all of the bridges which look the same as they did before. When I asked about this, I was told that they were told to spend a certain amount of money on state highways whether they needed it or not. It was a “use it or lose it” kind of thing. They’ve also released federal grant money for community projects with the stipulation that it couldn’t be used for any projects that were already in progress. How rediculous is that? They’re basically taking our money and flushing it down the toilet….

    • eyeswideopen

      S.C. so you don’t believe in emmissions causing problems with the environment? Then why don’t you move next door to one and tell us how it is going in about 5 years. Come on, any first grader who has eyes can see that polluation is spewing into the air. Now the logicall conclusion is that it doesn’t affect humans, plants, air. Right, just like flushing sewage into rivers doesn’t affect fish or the rest of the environment. You are really on the edge of rational.

      • David

        You missed it. CO2 is what trees breath to grow and you exhale when you breath…so hold your breath and help out climate change. Water vapor accounts for about 97% of this world’s greenhouse gases. CO2, methane, NO2, etc account for 3%. If you can’t see this new carbon market for the smoking gun that it is then your eyes and more importantly your mind is shut. CO2 is not pollution and the world is not melting down (the ice that is).

        • DaveH

          Some of the radicals are even greatly concerned about the methane produced by cow patties.

          • JeffH

            Some of the dairy farmers are starting to harness the methane and turn it into energy for their farms.
            Tou referance to “cow patties” made me chuckle. Reminded me of a song by Jim Stafford called “Cow Pattie”, which was a hoot!

          • s c

            DaveH, I’m tempted to ask ask you what the difference is between a radical and a cow patty – but I won’t. I have suspected for years that if we could force Washington airheads to talk less and do more, no one would be thinking about global warming or how much oral and mental flatulence originates in Washington.
            The kooks are trying to distance themselves from al ‘don’t bother me with any facts’ gore. They need to change the name from global warming to whatever ‘sells.’
            When gore has no ties with government to secure huge loans and he has no finanical stake in ripping off Americans to ‘save mama earth,’ I might listen to such people. Until that happens, I wouldn’t trust gore to change a light bulb – let alone pose as a scientist or make me think he cares about anyone but himself.

          • Mr.P

            The kinder more gentle namefor pattie is Meadow Muffin.

      • Todd

        Who’s comment were you replying to? Where in S C’s comments did he deny the existence of polution? Come on, any first grader who has eyes can see that he was merely talking about priorities.

      • JeffH

        eyeswideopen, why don’t you prioritize your agenda for solving this grand economic depression we are facing. Does the environment deserve a priority higher than the people that are faced with feeding and housing their families? The environment is important to all things living but somtimes it must take a back seat to greater needs.

        • eyeswideopen

          Why Jeff , yes let’s use as much of the world resources that we can and say to the rest of the human race, SCREW YOU, we were smart enough to use it first, and you aren’t going to breathe the air, or eat because we don’t give a crap about anybody but ourselves.
          Hell, yea, we can do that. For Sure, You Betcha!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, really sad that you think we aren’t smart enough to tackle more than one thing at a time… I give Americans more credit than you do.

          • JeffH

            Americans yes! Government no!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeh, Yeh, now lets sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya, and give Al Gore billions of dollars to force his green technology on everyone that nobody needs. The biggest fear isnt this green crap and polluting the air, its the crap that these foreign nations, headed up by China are putting into the rivers and oceans that need addressed, but no one wants to tackle that one. Its all about how much money Al Gore and G.E. can make forcing people to buy their green technology products that they have. Im not doing it for one. The water is the problem, not the air. Now Im all for putting heavy, and I mean heavy heavy fines on companies that are still dumping crap into the waterways, and putting extreme trade taxes or whatever you want to call it on China for their constant spewing of toxic chemicals into the rivers, streams and oceans. For crying out loud, they are killing whole villages downstream of where they are dumping crap, and nobody cares. But we should buy into making Al Gore a billionaire with his scare tactics, when 90 percent of the stuff he has come up with are proven lies and theory’s, and nothing else. Guess what – geological scientist, you know, the real ones that study the earth and seas and rocks and oceans and ice caps and stuff, have determined the ice caps are getting bigger and bigger, and the pictures Al Gore shows of the so called melting ice caps, are pieces falling off because they are getting so big and think they cant hold their own weight so pieces break off time to time. But Al has to lie to try to get rich. Sorry, Ive got no respect for that. Polar bears are not dying. 3 of them died in a storm getting swept out to sea. The rest are multiplying at record levels, and are bigger that ever before. Al Gore is a pathetic liar who seeks to get rich at our expense, and the sooner you realize that the better off you will be.

    • JeffH

      s c, pretty well said. Now is “NOT” the time to make those changes, as jobs are sarce enough as it is. Shut down the rest of the mighty American industries sound “logical” to me. NOT! I am all for clean air, but now is not the time! Let us invest the stimulus dollars into America and it’s infrastructure and create jobs for Americans, not close them.

      • DaveH

        Don’t worry Jeff, Obama and wife will jet all around the world and work hard to save us from those nasty carbon gases.

        • JeffH

          I think Northrupp Grummann and Boeing should collaberate a new AF ONE that is fueled by clean burning air and would solve Americas current problems, if you get my drift.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, you be so sly,,, ,not… lol

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah, and Barbara Streisand and the hollywood crowd will help by flying their private jets across the country, then hop into their SUV LIMOUSINE, and stand there and give a speech about how bad it is to own an SUV and burn fuel, then fly back home to their mansion where they use more energy to heat/cool and light it in one week than I do in a whole year where I live. Stinking hypocrites.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, Previously you said we don’t have any industries, I am confused which ones are you speaking of?

        • JeffH

          Stay confused TROLL, never said that, EVER!

    • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

      Without keeping the American People scared (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) this Socialist government would already be history. Scare taticts are all they know how to do. If you watch the Histroy channels all they talk about any more are ends of the world, bible codes, Nostradamus, pandamic fears,
      global warming and a lot of other BULL–it, it’s all part of keeping the people thinking that we can’t handle anything without the government, we can’t, as long as we believe this bunch of crooks, and they know it. Just remember, the bigger the lie the easier it is to believe. Just because these crooks say something is NO sign that it’s true. Well, let’s wake up and take our country back.

  • David

    Here’s one for ya that should sink in…the company I work for was slated to build a $250 million plant and have now tabled it indefinately because we get it. This double tax on industry will make it impossible for most to compete…ie more high paying jobs lost while some green jobs gained. Oh by the way, if industry goes, and that is the liberals’ agenda, then you won’t need all those green jobs either because our economy will contract so much so that our energy requirements will will be even less than the 20% proposed reduction…and they will claim a victory for that too….dumb as_es!

  • Robin from Indiana

    How is this supposed to work? I didn’t glean much from the proposal. They want to cut emissions. Okay… How?

    • Tim O

      The bill will impose a ceiling(allotment) for carbon emmissions. Energy producing companies will pay huge taxes to produce emmissions beyond the ceiling. Theoretically, this will ‘motivate’ the companies to invest in ‘green energy’ technologies to reduce their tax burden. The reality is that the green technology does not exist to satisfy the current or near future requirements for energy. The companies will pass the tax on to consumers as always because corporations do not pay taxes. People and businsses will experience huge increases in utility rates(Obama openly acknowledges this). Massive jobs in turn will be lost as businesses have yet another burden placed upon their bottom line. The worst part is that the bill is predicated on an unproven belief that humans are responsible for global warming. Only 3% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the result of human activity. The other 97% is created by Mother Nature. You do the logic.

      • J C

        Tim, its a grand “wealth redistribution scheme”. A thoroughly communist idea.

      • DaveH

        Water vapor contributes up to 70% of the greenhouse gases at any one time. I guess the Liberals will be blaming us for that too someday.

        On February 5, 1996, many locations in the upper Midwest set all-time record lows. Two days later, while visiting shivering school children in New Hampshire, Bill Clinton (apparently repealing the Law of Thermodynamics) remarked that cold was the kind of thing caused by Global Warming.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, do not tell me that you think global warming means things don’t get cold… no, say it is not what you are implying?

          • David

            Remember….more CO2 in the amosphere traps more radiant heat as it trys to escape our atmosphere; therefore GLOBAL WARMING. But now that the earth is cooling and most scientists have refuted the science (the very foundation of this theory) we have to rename it so the massive tax can pass thorugh….keep those dumb Americans guessing.

          • DaveH

            do you know what the word ’caused’ means Eyeswideshut?

        • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

          You forgot about cow farts!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And the reality is, Al Gore and the left are in business with G.E. and other companies, to make billions forcing us all to buy into the crap they are selling, which truthfully, wont amount to a hill of beans, but it sure will cost one hell of a lot.

    • DaveH

      Robin,
      This is the text of the House version HR2454:
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:4:./temp/~c111PVFBAX::

  • john w

    Anything that raises taxes especially in a state like California which already has some of the highest in the country is not going to help. Not to mention well over the national average in unemployment. I really think there is not more than a hand full of people in Washington that have any clue as to what is actually going on in this country.

    • JeffH

      Washington D.C. is insulated from reality. AL Gore, a Nobel Prize winner, was reportedly(Feb. 26, 2007)spending $30,000 a year on gas and electricity for his estate, more than most people make in a year.
      So much for hypocricy.

      • DaveH

        Oh, but that’s okay Jeff. He is one of the annointed ones.

        • JeffH

          Depends on which “Hill” you live on I guess.

        • David

          He also re-greened his 15,000 ft^2 house…LOL

          • eyeswideopen

            Jealous!!

          • David

            No not really, I am a builder and could have built my family a giant house on the lake but instead built an efficient, normal sized house….I think it is called conservative values….and Gore is Hippo-crit!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Exactly. When you are on the left, you can say and do as you please, and how dare someone hold you accountable for the things you say and do. But if your on the right, you better be prepared to be lambasted, lied about in the press, have propaganda spread about you and the like. And if the independants ever start gaining a little of power, the left wing liberal media will propaganda and demonize them also. As you said, they consider themselves the annointed ones. Pharisee’s.

  • J C

    Robin, you’re not supposed to ask “how?”, just take it on faith that our benevolent and omnipotent rulers know what they’re doing. And they do actually…they know that they are implementing a plan to impoverish and control us and we’re supposed to buy into it for our own good…all based on junk science. Like most Globalist plans these days, its all smoke and mirrors.

  • http://www.homedepot.com Marc

    I think the key indicators were the sponsors themselves – Pelosi and Kerry. These two have no clue, are completely out of touch with their constituents, and think that Government is a money-making entity. They will bring the country to it’s financial knees if allowed.

    • David

      And Pelosi’s state says it is about 1% fossil fuel power generation….the midwest is 98% (OUCH) but what they do not tell you is that Calfornication imports much of its power from across the border. Isn’t CO2 a global problem? And John Kerry didn’t even know what the house cap/tax bill was about….

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats because when Kerry shot himself in the buttocks in ‘Nam, his head was up there back then and he probably damaged something.

    • JeffH

      Why should Kerry and Pelosi, who is on the verge of a breakdown, concentrate on the important issues of the day like jobs, security of our nation, supporting a socialistic ideal. Maybe they should get the recommendations from Van Jones as he is probably still close to the inner circle.

  • ONTIME

    Kerry and Boxer are all you have to know about this proposed environmental legislation, if these liars are to be trusted then the nation will sink further into more economic problem. You cannot tax the country into prosperity and we cannot improve without giving up the size of the government and allowing the private sector to regain it’s ability to produce the innovations needed to convert the energy supplies into newer methods of supply to meet the demands of the coming future. If we do not do this we are going to become a third rate power that will have a unskilled workforce used by other countries to make their products and supply their citizens.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      ONTIME
      Winston Churchill said it best————————————
      I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

  • Joe Lang

    On Time: although I agree with you in this case, it is slanderous to call senators Boxer and Kerry liars! If one wishes a comparison with which to designate liars, then just review the exploits of the previous high office holders. Perhaps we (and the world) need an environmental clean-up, while it is true that many man made processes do indeed impact air quality, it is first necessary to determine a process with which to effectively clean the air both technologically and economically. Senators Kerry and Boxer are not liars, their exuberance sometimes gets in the way of more rational thought. Liars attempt to subvert truth, i.e. bush/cheney with the war in Iraq.

    • Todd

      Slander is a false statement made about someone in a way that damages their character. Calling Senators Kerry and Boxer liars is not slanderous because they ARE liars which has been proven on many occasions. Yes, they’re not the only ones, but let’s call a spade a spade and stop making apologies for telling it like it is. As you have stated, they don’t lie about everything, “their exuberance sometimes gets in the way of more rational thought.” So basically, this is another way of saying they’re stupid. I’ll accept that as truth as well…

      • s c

        You nailed it, Todd. We owe it to ourselves to never give career politicians any chance to ‘enhance’ their already pathetic credentials. Not only should we call a spade, but we are obligated to slam dunk anyone and everyone who would use America to further their sheepdip, anti-American careers.
        Just because there are weasels and pond scum on both sides of the aisle doesn’t mean we have to endure it – let alone get used to it or surrender.

        • JeffH

          I can’t argue with your logic. Well said s c.

    • Thurman Marcum

      Joe,

      I agree with you.Bush and Cheney deserves the crown,hands down.Their lies cost thousands of lives.

      • David

        Thurman, this legislation is going to cost us our country. Do you think we can survive as a “services” country? Are you a ma=ember of the SEIU? Quit blaming it on the right when the left is just as bad….IF NOT WORSE.

        • JeffH

          David…the left must be “right eye” dominant.

      • DaveH

        Two wrongs make a right?

        • JeffH

          Ahhhhhhhh DaveH…there are some that would argue your point, although I tend to agree with you.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, you would never disagree with your master, you don’t have to say that, we all know already. lol

          • David

            Eyes is getting jealous of DaveH…..he actually adds content not fluffenstuff.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They never lied (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT). The democratic congress said there were WMD’S, Bill Clinton before Bush was president said it loud and clear on TV, as did John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Tom Daschle and many more. And they all voted to go to war. So stop your lies. In fact, there is a big liar on the loose, and I know where he is hiding. If you go in your bathroom and look right above the sink, that is where he is.

    • JeffH

      Joe Lang…you said that: Perhaps we (and the world) need an environmental clean-up. What we need is to clean up our government first and foremost.
      Is Pelosi a liar?: In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
      Nancy Pelosi is a wide-eyed, stare-you-in-the-face, What-planet-are-you-from? liar.
      As for Kerry: Kerry’s lies have (if they haven’t before) gotten completely out of hand. Mr. Kerry (NOT President Bush or the GOP) was the one who made his “4 month Viet Nam Hero Tour” the platform for his campaign. Mr. Kerry (NOT President Bush or the GOP) is the one who has floated the lies and then re-floated new ones when the first [several] lies were uncovered.

      • JeffH

        This is about Kerry and Pelosi lies, not any other liars!

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, how about that mess you have in california? It sure needs some help.

        • JeffH

          Yep, Feinstein, Boxer and the lunatic fringe Ms. Speaker have played a very big role in California’s dilema. California is a great example of how the Liberal Leftist Democrats have paid and given away more tax money than was ever availabe. Runaway spending and trying to pay for the more than 3,000,000 illegal immigrants to the tune of $9 billion dollars according to a report published on December 6, 2004 . Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost, estimated at $7.7 billion each year. The $9 billion figure does not include other expenses that are difficult to measure, such as special English instruction, school lunch programs, and welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal immigrant workers.
          I am sure those figures have accelerated, and in this country twelve million may be the most popular number cited for illegal immigrants in the U.S at present, but some estimates, like one from Bear Stearns, believe the count is actually closer to a whopping 20 million.
          The Tucson sector Border Patrol union local 2544 on the number of illegal aliens in our nation: “There are currently 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country by many estimates, but the real numbers could be much higher and the numbers increase every day because our borders are not secure (no matter what the politicians tell you – don’t believe them for a second)”.
          HOUSTON WE GOT A PROBLEM!

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        JeffH-
        No one could hold a candle to the lying Swift Boat members who were hired to do what they done to Kerry. They were even brought into the light by trying to hire other vets to lie for them.
        The picture they posted to place Kerry with Hannoy Jane was a hoot. Anyone with any photography smarts knows that one picture is not worth a thousand words. Truth being – direction and angle in which a photo is shot can produce any effect one wants to produce in order to deceive.
        The photo Of Hannoy Jane and Kerry plainly showed Kerry was sitting behind Jane in another row.
        Everyone is a genius in at least one area and a complete imbecile in many more areas.
        If some of you posters would go back and reread some of your posts you will verify the true meaning of flip flopping.
        Eyes, I think you are scaring some of the posters, as you do provide links for what you say. When a woman can read and think for herself she is a mighty force to be dealt with.
        I wonder why it is so easy for the Republican party to deceive so many of their faithful party line members? All they have to do is hire mobs to illustrate and deliver their messages. Namely – Tea Party mobs,Birthers, Deathers, Liars, Propagandists, Swift Boat thugs and the list goes on and on. With the way they are able to manipulate the mobs is one example that explains one major reason our country is on the downhill slide to becoming a service nation or another third world country.
        By the way – who is responsible for all our manufacturers leaving our country for the cheap labor (ya get what ya pay for) and who in Government rewards them for doing so? Got any answers smart ones?

    • DaveH

      Ok then Joe. Does that mean you are on the wagon to throw all the bums (except Ron Paul) out?
      It is a matter of fact that the richest nations are also the cleanest. If we allow Big Government to turn us into a third world nation will we remain clean?

      • JeffH

        DaveH, I think that we who don’t “go for the ride” might become “worm food” for the environment.

        • DaveH

          I’m sure that many of those ‘peace-lovers’ would like that.

      • eyeswideopen

        Hey; Dave did I tell you that your hero Ron Paul got over 73 million in earmarks? I didn’t realize that until the other day when I was researching him. What about the smaller government ideas? He doesn’t practice those ?

        • David

          Did you say million…not a big deal these days as your leaders monetize our debt? What about the billions going to fund your corrupt unions? Health care…cap/trade = trillions. Please don’t tell obama what a Brazilian is!

        • DaveH

          For any that might buy into Eyeswideshut misinformation, all you have to do is go to http://clerk.house.gov/ then pick roll call votes (under Quick Links) and then 111th Congress. Look at the measures that have passed and see how Ron Paul voted. Also note that the Democrats rarely see a Bill they don’t love.

          • DaveH

            They don’t call him “Dr. No” for nothing.

          • JeffH

            You are too bold, You have argued with facts. Shame on you.

          • eyeswideopen

            Who cares how he voted, he got 73 million in earmarks for his district. He proclaims that he wants smaller government and then gets that large amount? Oh, did some other repubs get that money for him? Did he say no, I want to reduce the government in my district? We don’t want any Federal money. No, don’t think that’s quite how it went down. You Libertarians don’t really practice what you preach do you?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, did you not read what I said? I didn’t make a comment on his voting record. I pointed out that he got one of the largest earmarks of 73 million. Little hypocritical for a Libertarian don’t you think? Sure it is.

          • JeffH

            …Didn’t Obama promise to the American people that there would be “NO NEW EARMARKS”. I think he lied again!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dave, your breaking the rules. You are not, I repeat, you are not allowed to state facts when arguing with someone on the left, like old eyeswideshut. Facts and truth scare them, and then they curl up in the fetal position and cry for mommy.

    • DaveH

      Question Authority.

      • eyeswideopen

        Whose yours?

    • debbie saul

      If you believe that they are not lying I have some ocean front land to sell you in Arizona. Get with it see what is going on, it is them trying to control the economy again, some more.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        debbie – does a bridge go with the ocean front property? lol

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yeah, right. Now take another valium and go back to your room.

  • LEM

    The big “GREEN” push by “I invented that!” Al Gore is beginning to pay off.

    I figured as hard as he was pushing this agenda there must have been an investment or two that would
    eventually make for a big pay day for the Al Gore Estate!
    Here’s the first winning investment to “pay off”…

    I wish I could get that kind of money for MY small business…

    And I’ll bet “Big Al” gets the first car off the assembly line too…

    Company Backed by Gore Gets Taxpayer Millions
    Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:45 PM

    A start-up automotive company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has been loaned more than half a billion dollars by the federal government.

    According to The Wall Street Journal, Fisker Automotive Inc. has received $529 million in taxpayer money. The loan was intended to help Fikser produce a hybrid sports car to be sold in Finland.

    “This is not for average Americans,” Leslie Paige, a spokeswoman for Citizens Against Government Waste, told the Journal. “This is for people to put something in their driveway that is a conversation piece. It’s a status symbol thing.”

    • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

      Somebody has to pay for the energy hungry house that Big Al lives in, you don’t think that he ought to pay for it do you?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Al “Pharisee” Gore.

  • Cathy of NJ

    If you believe that this hair brain idea will produce more jobs then I have swamp land to sell you, oh sorry wetlands! The tree huggers are taking this country and sweetly depositing it into a depression! We do not have a problem as you can read from real scientist! This is all scare tacts that will make Al Gore and his cronies very, very rich!

    Open your eyes! Anything the government does in name of saving the planet, the world, jobs is garbage! The corruption in Washington, particularly in the beltway is shocking, but until the legal citizens in the country wake up there will be great despair!

    Flip the House in 2010! Vote them all out!

    • JeffH

      One more time…I agree!

    • CMac

      People global warming is a fact. It has been going on for millions of years in cycle with global cooling or ice ages. In fact global warming is what ended the last ice age. The only question is how much effect if any humans have on it. In fact there is a theory that short term global warming will very likely put us in another ice age. Warmer temperatures will result in more evaporation of water which results in more clouds giving more shade bringing cooler temps along with more precipitation. This will also cause a shift in ocean currents which now help moderate our temperatures.

      • JeffH

        CMac exactly correct. The short time man has been studying global warning sure don’t make them experts. Just because one has some sort of college degree doesn’t make them EXPERTS on global warming or anything else that is part of the evolution of the universe. Being a duck hunter, I have noticed the change in weather patterns over the last 45 years, and I’m just a HS graduate.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, no, but since we can send a man to the moon and duplicate dna, I think we might be smart enough to see the effect of our footprint on the earth. What say you?? Are we smart or are we stupid? I agree we are ignorant when it comes to politics, but the sciences we excell.

          • DaveH

            You need to distinguish between private scientists, and government scientists with an agenda to satisfy. No good scientist has preconceived ideas. That is why when they drug test they have double-blind tests. Neither the presenter of the drugs/placebos nor the taker of the drugs/placebos knows which is which. Scientists with an agenda will consciously or unconsciously skew the results of experiments. It’s just human nature.

            Global Warming is a political football, that is all.

          • JeffH

            They can make EDUCATED GUESSES, but how close are they 5000, 10000, 20000 years? Seems it might be a rather large gap to start a global panic on the environment! But government has never been short on guessing about anything.

          • eyeswideopen

            Damn, It was government scientists who isolated the DNA strand, so sorry to disappoint you boys, but sometimes the horrible government does something right. I know, it breaks you hearts, but facts are facts. It was also a government program that took us to the moon, my you do have short memories don’t you?

          • JeffH

            Baaaaaaa Baaaaaaa Baaaaaaa!

          • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

            I don’t know one government official that could change a sparkplug in a lawnmower, and you think the put anyone anywhere, espically on the moon? The only place they put people are either in a war zone or in the poor house, besides it was freethinkers that got us to the moon, and there are none in Washington.

          • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

            It’s mighty funny we have 50,000 new video games, TVs and not a single energy efficent car, yes we are dumb and our priorities are in a strange place, just like a cigarette is only going to kill the person that is smoking it, so we outlawed it’s advertising them, but a six pack of beer, can and has killed a whole family, but it’s still the most advertised product on earth. Am I the only person on the face of the earth that sees this conflict in priorities?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I beg to differ. I see these so called scientist first of all lie right and left about global warming, when they arent even geological scientists, who all refute what Gore’s lefty scientists say. Then, I beg to differ with all these scientists who denounce God, and say that a bird crapped on a rock and the sun fermented it, and there we were. If this were true, all the billions they have spent trying to prove evolution would have produced the answer by now, but it didnt happen that way, and they are a big waste of billions of dollars on this. If they had spent a 10th of what they spend trying to disprove creation, and spent it on proving creation, the science supports everything written in the Bible. Everything. Not one thing in the Bible has ever been disproven, nor will it. So your faith in science and scientists, well, you can have it. Some of them might be brilliant in some things, but in common sense I find them pretty darn stupid. They cant even see God right in front of them everyday they live. That is sad.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I did notice though, that Al Gore and his global warming groupies kind of disappeared this “cool” spring and summer, as temps were so much cooler than the year before. It is cyclical. There will be warm trends, then cool trends. And we surely dont need to give Al Gore a billion dollars because he felt warm last year.

    • eyeswideopen

      Cathy, hate to tell you this but if they are citizens then, they are legal. Just a little point about your statement.

      • JeffH

        That is a TROLLS response!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Depends on how you looked at it. Years ago, when I lived in California, the mayor had a speech in San Diego, and addressed the crowd of citzens there, referring to them as his citizens. 90 percent of them were illegal aliens, but they lived there as citizens of San Diego. Websters calls a citizen, ” a resident of a city or town”. So next time you want to correct someone, maybe you should look in the mirror and see the one who needs corrected. I mean I know you on the left are annointed and all, but hey, Im just saying.

    • s c

      Cathy, if gore manages to get filthy rich from his asinine scheme, do you think he’ll have enough pals in Washington to see to it that he’s not viewed as a normal ‘rich’ guy? Ultralib kooks love to preach about taxing rich people to death (part of their class warfare paranoia). I’d like to know if they have double standards for that matter, too.
      Gore and his chums are already rich, but if they’re given protected status [divine, holy mama earth-savers], they just might get tax breaks that ‘normal’ rich people are denied. After all, ultralib delusionals must have their ‘standards.’

  • DaveH

    Have you noticed that the Libs have avoided referring to ‘Global Warming’ in the names of these bills or in their solicitations for support? That’s because most of the citizens don’t believe the man-made global warming hype. There are many books out there that debunk the political football of man-made global warming. I have two:
    ‘The Satanic Gases’ by Patrick J. Michaels and Robert C. Balling, Jr.
    And ‘The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism’ by Christopher C. Horner.

    This is just my theory, but I might be right on target:
    In the late 70s when Jimmy Carter was in office the greens were promoting every alternative energy scheme they could imagine. There were Ethanol powered cars, Natural Gas powered cars, Wind Generators, and many more schemes. These concepts were generally too expensive for all but the wealthy so they weren’t very well received.
    Then along came Global Warming. How convenient. They could jump on this hysteria, proclaim it man-made, and force us to accept their alternative energy schemes whether we wanted them or not.

    • DaveH

      As usual, the Elite know what is best for us. We need to calm our criticism and accept that they know best how to run our lives.

      • eyeswideopen

        About damn time….lol

        • David

          A true Liberal you are….welcome to DD and Smilee’s family. I hope you all gag on your own CO2

          • eyeswideopen

            I hope you choke on the Constitution that you are ripping apart and eating. You don’t believe in the Constitution or you would allow people to have a different view from yours. Your close mindedness and hateful rhetoric is was stops people from even considering the Libertarian party. You are not a good representative of that Party. Ron Paul would never spew the crap you do. You just hate the Dem’s so much because of your ex-wife you are blinded to anything else.

          • David

            I never said I was a libertarian. Also conservative values back the constitution better than any other. You are just pissed off at the world and want our country pulled apart. Remember, you will need us in the future….the silent majority.

          • JeffH

            Hey TROLL…your true clorors are exposed once more. Now you hope somebody chokes to death? You are even sicker than ever. Get help before you snap as it will be too late after.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            David – In a past comment – was it you who said our trees breath or absorbed the H2O in order to grow? You are half right. During the sunlight hours they in fact breathe H2O, but when the sun goes down they spit it back into the environment. Also the fact that when our government controlled scientists come up with a tried and tested position concerning any item that could possibly help mankind but goes against what they choose to spoon feed the populace the scientists are gagged and not allowed to go public.
            This is our Democratic process that has been in control far too long.
            But alas – the non thinking would rather remain loyal to a party line instead of even trying to vote for a better candidate.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dont forget Uncle Norm. He is part of their family also.

    • JeffH

      I recall the “great wind generators” being up all over the Altamont Pass in No. California. All of that expense and now they are tearing them down. Seems the environmentalists and animal huggers decided that the Hawks in that area were flying into the moving blades and dying. They always know what is best, just can’t get their priorities right.

      • DaveH

        Typical. Its unbelievable that the Libs would have promoted such a blot on our landscapes not to mention the fact that they are not cost-effective. Anything for power.

        • CMac

          As far as the blot is concerned, they could care less because they live where they don’t have to look at them.

        • JeffH

          One thing I have always loved about California, especialy the east Bay area and the foothills are the rolling hills that turn a beautiful green in the winter and springtime and our oak trees.
          Thw windmills are an eyesore to the landscape. I just don’t know how they slipped by the tree huggers without a fight.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            They get paid off. Its all about money with them.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        JeffH – Are we so super intelligent here in America that we are unable to learn anything from any country?
        What place on earth is the country dotted with windmills? Do they still exist today? Naw, we are much smarter and more sophisticated than to take a lesson from Holland. Besided we are more concerned with looks than achievements to benefit all of mankind. SMART – no?????

      • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

        Do you remember before the traitor Ted Kennedy croaked, he wouldn’t let them put up any wind turbines because of them being an eye sore, the whole while he was dumping desiel fuel overboard his boat. Typical liberal, all he did wrong but when he croaked he was a hero, even after giving his bishop a letter to the pope to pray him into heaven, what a jerk.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Amen. The guy lived a life of a leech, screwing people over, getting drunk, even killed an innocent woman. Now they want to make him a saint. As Charlie Brown would say, “good grief”.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, they don’t use that terminology as most people think that means that we will no longer have cold weather. Attention spans are short and resistance is great amoung the selfish.

  • Ken

    Hey Guys and Girls,

    How about putting those huge windmills and solar panels in the front and back yards of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Boxer, Algore, and yes, even John Kerry (who served in Viet Nam) The list is too long to put here. Also restricting Pelosi, Obama, and Allgore from jetting all over the world to attend stupid meetings and shopping. (Obamas went on a “spirit lifting” shopping trip to Paris France after the Olympic meeting at taxpayer expense not to mention emissions. But then I’m just a person that does not belive in the myth of global warming. Our summer was cooler than normal and we are supposed to have a very cold winter thanks to G. Warming

    Ken from Utah

    • David

      No this only applies to us citizens (only called citizens because we are still armed)

      • Robert

        I thought you had to sneak in from Mexico to be considered a citizen. Silly me. I knew I should have paid more attention to my history lessons in school. I got it all wrong as Nancy likes to say when we disagree with government. For the people and by the people, that must have been a misprint in our constitution.

        • DaveH

          Robert,
          I’m surprise that the Liberals haven’t rewritten the Constitution like they are rewriting the history books that our children read.

          • DaveH

            Damn, I misspelled ‘surprised’; here comes ZombieEyes.

          • eyeswideopen

            No, Dave we actually respect and confidentally know that the Constitution will protect us from people like you. You however, don’t have any faith in that document as proven by your paranoia of the country being stolen.

        • JeffH

          One only needs to sneak in to get the benefits most Americans don,t get.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It is a shame isnt it, that both illegal aliens, and a lot of people in prison, are afforded 3 meals a day, free medical, other government services, and we have some of our own born here hard working Americans, struggling to make ends meet, and our government wont help them because they have a job and 20 bucks in the bank. Its all wrong.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      Ken – If it would put the power suppliers here in America and cause their wealthy stockholders to lose their investment and run in the red and go easy on my pocketbook – Give me two or three on my property.

      • JeffH

        I am sure you can buy 1 or 2 used ones in California. The only negative part to your idea is that a biologist, environmentalist or humane society lover will find a reason block the use, after you’ve got the use permits and it is up and running efficiently.

  • RayD

    If I had my way I’d string up Boxer,Kerry,Rangle,Durbin,Franken,Waters, and I could add a bunch more. The only decent Democrat I can think of at the moment is Leiberman. I would also like to throw in a bunch of Republicans at the same time. I’m so sick and tired of listening to liars, not just about the enviroment but Health Care, Cap and Trade, the Stimulas Plan, Tarp and now the biggest liar of all Pelosi is talking about a VAT Tax. I dought if there is dozen people in all of Congress that’s honest. That’s why we are in so much trouble, Congress and Obama and his liars, socialists, commies and marxist jerks. You people that voted for Obama and his change. How’s that change workin out? Pretty good if your a socialist I guess. I don’t really care what party is in power, I just want honesty and to live as the Constitution was written by some very smart people. The founding fathers. I am not a religous person but this country was founded on Judaeo Christian Principles and if we don’t stay with those principles I will bet my life this country will go down the tube. I know there’s a lot of you will think I’m wrong, but if you live a few more decades or less you will see it happen and you will be wondering how did that happen so fast. If you would like to take some shots at me for my beliefs, have at it. If you do at least it won’t matter to me, I’ll just think your a far lefty and bomb throwing is what you guy’s do best.

    • Robert

      You might seem hot headed and extreme to some, but most of us are getting that way now that we’ve seen the Fundamental Change President Obama spoke about. Pelosi and Reid will sneak through some form of gun control to disarm all Americans so that there is no threat to any of these politicians. I’m just waiting for Texas to take the lead and secede from the union. What will Washington do then, send in the military and declare war on Texas? The first thing this President needs to remember is that he works for us and not the special interests and community organizers in this county. Stay with your convictions, it’s your right.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      RayD – Another honest Democrat is Dennis Kucinich. Small in stature but very BIG in honesty and he’s intelligent to boot.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Very well said, and very truthful. Thank you.

  • Robert

    Cap and Trade. One thing everyone is overlooking is this. If this bill passes, faster than one can blink their eyes, Wall Street will capitalize by creating some exotic instrument whereby Federal credits will be traded. We have that now in some form but profits are so squeezed that no one on Wall Street will invest the time and money to build out a trading platform. If Cap and Trade passes, we American voters should let our elected officials know that if Wall Street profits from this tax on businesses and consumers, we’ll sue every politician who voted for it and vote them out of office. I bet that Congress will pass Tort reform to make sure a politician can’t be sued. As far as Tort reform on health. Foregetaboutit, there’re mostly lawyers in Washington and no way are they going to bite the hand that feeds them.

    • David

      That’s right. Cap and trade is blowing by most folks under the radar because they do not realize what it will do to them. I have even met with many in industry which will not be affected by the cap tax but will by the increased utility rates. Factor that into their cost to produce. Also add the additional cost of every raw material which is touched by carbon…add the transportation cost increases of both incoming and outgoing products. Add the $1790 additional utility costs that every American will be paying in the beginning….projects also show the average American utility bills will hit $6,900 increase by the end when carbon emissions must be 80% leass than 2005 levels. This will contract our economy beyond recognition.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      Robert – What do you mean will do?? What’s been happening for so long already?
      Check the off shore banking system and see if you are able to learn the names of any of the ones willing to screw America while keeping their profits in a not so safe haven now.
      You may be surprised if you are able to learn any names.

  • http://yahoo jean wilkin

    Yes this is a mess but whos going to stop. they are crooks there is to many of them they have given are county away jean

    • DaveH

      Jean, Like any hard job, you just have to overlook the immensity of the task and take care of things one at a time. It is not going to be easy, but we can do it if enough people wake up to the fact that Big Government is only concerned about Big Government.

      • DaveH

        This free online book is a good starting point for realizing what is going on. It was written in the 1970s, so some of the examples are out of date, but the main concepts are timeless. Bring up Merriam-Webster in another tab or browser as the book uses a lot of uncommon words:
        http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

        • eyeswideopen

          Why don’t you guys just update it? That party never really did get off the ground did it? Is Ron Paul registered as a Republican this year?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            As long as he isnt a democrat, he will be ok.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      No Jean – No one has given our country away.
      We’ve been sold to China. I wonder where and into whose coffers the money has gone?
      I can’t learn where any has been spent on our country.
      Of course Obama is raising the deficit higher (but still not near what the Cheney administration did), but it is being spent on a few of our citizens and our country in general.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The Cheney administration? What country do you live in? You are gravely mistaken. Seems my memory serves me correct, that it was Bill Clinton that sold us to China, and enacted NAFTA so that all our companies could move to Mexico, pay their workers 1.50 an hour, then sell there goods here just like before. Yeah, its kind of like that.

  • RayD

    Your right Robert that some people will think I’m hot headed. But I’m 72 yrs. old and I am so sick of these lying politicions. They lie when the truth is staring them in the face. I’m worried about my kids, grandkids and great grankids. What kind of world are they growing up in? Surely it doesn’t resemable the one I grew up in. I remember the WW11. I had two brothers that served in the Navy at Siapan, Truk and Guam and other parts of the South Pacific. They made it through the war and I recently ask them if the were scared. Their reply was hell yes the were scared to death when being attacked by Japanese zeros. We started talking politics. One of the things that really suprised me was when they said the difference was we knew we would win even tho being scared to death about dying. But now we’re scared and it’s a different kind of scared. We knew during the war we might get killed but we had no doubt the USA would win. But now we are being attacked from within which is much worse. Obama himself said he was going to fundamentaly ghange America. Look who he surrounds himself with. Van Jones a communist, his school czar a man that believes in the Man Boy Love Assoc. Another czar that believes in forced sterilization to control the population. Another czar who thinks Hugo Chavez is a great leader and wants to control the media. Bush was a crap President and pushed for globalazation but this guy we have as our president now is really dangerous and could very well bring down our nation. Pay attention to whom he surrounds himself with. He has lied about everything. How open he said his administration would be. He has along with help from Bush run this country into the ground with bailouts and takeovers. All I ask is pay attention to what he says and what he actually does. Obama is corrupt thru and thru. He must go.

    • JeffH

      RayD, I respect your words of wisdom that are well spoken with 72 years of experience. Attacked from within is so true. People certainly have many ways they try to express themselves, some better than others, but most of us understand what the people mean no matter how it is written.
      The “hate” word and “race card” is thrown out regularly by one individual on here, who has some very serious personal issues to deal with.
      Thank you for your comments, something to think about.

      • eyeswideopen

        The only ones who are attacking within are you bunch of school yard bullies who have lost power and are so scared you can’t even think objectively. Well get some prozac as you’ve got at least three years more and I hope you suffer every damn day for every lie you have spoken.

        • David

          Evil is as evil does….

        • JeffH

          Objectively? The TROLL continues to keep her “eyeswideshut” and wear her blinders but her hatred of the conservative citizens opinions far outweigh her objectivity. Obama never lied when he told America “Yes we can”. he told us there would be change. Transparency in government, no earmarks in the budget, the support and appointments of professed communist thinkers, tax evaders, a school czar who’s admiration for a prominent believer in NAMBLA and advice to a teenager (a minor and statutory rape under the laws) to use a condom while having sex with a male lover, an animal right czar that believes animals deserve the right to “due process” and the full support of anti-American and hater George Soros. His 100% supported voting record for every anti-gun measure he voted on. Closing Gitmo and wanting to bring terrorists onto American soil and support of Holder to look at prosecuting the CIA and those that supported their tactics of interrogation to keep America and the world safe. The list goes on and on.
          Now the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE award, based solely on what he “might” achieve in the future, a nomination that was made within a couple of weeks after his his inauguration and based soley on his ability to con the American people and obviously the Nobel judges.
          And you, eyeswideopen talk of objective thinking? Just blame Bush and the Republicans! Enough said.

          • David

            Jeff, don’t use so many facts and painful truths in one comment…eyes can’t take it!

          • American Citizen

            That Nobel Peace prize means nothing as look at some of those who have received it. Some countries are asking why did Obama receive it? Just because of what he said, not of what he has accomplished.

          • JeffH

            Democrats as well as Republicans are miffed by the choice.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, so you think that just because you work for the CIA, you don’t ever make mistakes, have spy’s who defect? have overstepped your boundaries? Dang, I didn’t think we had any organization that you thought was good, you do know it is a government organization don’t you? Valarie Plume, just loved the fact her own countrymen sold out her undercover status, so she could no longer perform in her job. If any group should be investigated it should be the ones who hold our safety and future in their hands. For God’s sake they got it wrong before and you are defending them? You just don’t want to know how Cheney subjugated that organization and tried to hamstring our Constitution. Jeff, make up your mind, either you like the government or you don’t!!! I know you like the socialist programs, but I would think that with Dave’s influence you would be bashing the government run CIA. Can’t decide which side of the fence you want to be on?

          • eyeswideopen

            Jealousy, pure jealousy. Sad, when the world thinks more of our President than the citizens that he is working for. What in heavens name are you going to do, when this country turns around and things are changing? Don’t tell me, tea party time, for the infants.

          • JeffH

            TROLL, Baaaa, Baaaaaaa, Baaaaaaa!

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen TROLL…you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time! In the case of you sheeple, the fools can be fooled all of the time!

          • David

            Nobel prize = additional puppet string

          • JeffH

            TROLL eyeswideopen. You are once again a blithering idiot. Did I say I support and like the CIA? NO! Your twisted interpretations of what is said by others is your biggest enemy. Your instincts for human phycology are nil! Nada! None! Your twist on others disagreeing with government, not caring for Obama’s socialist ideals, or Pelosi and Biden’s forked tongues, or trusting government always end up with you spewing your racist and hatered accusations. It is YOU that always thinks RACIST and it is YOU that costantly uses the hHATE words. No one would consistently use those terms unless they are what they accuse others to be!
            I intentionaly use the TROLL word on you because that is what you are in this website. You have a few limited members in your little TROLL BRIGADE that step up to defend you from time to time, but you have more that constantly critisize you because of your “hateful” demeanor.
            Your constant accusations and twisted interpretations are just that! Hollow words!

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, to quote you: “and support of Holder to look at prosecuting the CIA and those that supported their tactics of interrogiation”. So, if you are upset with his supporting Holder for wanting to investigate the CIA,( which is the statement I just quoted), how can you then in the next post, say that you don’t support or like the CIA? If you are upset with him for supporting Holder’s actions, you must like and support the CIA or it would be ok for Obama to investigate them all.
            Regarding the Animal Czar, I have explained that before. It means that if you or I see the abuse of an animal, that animal can have legal standing in order to be removed from the person performing the abuse. In addition that person can be held legally responsible for the abuse. It is kinda like children who can’t speak, the state will sue on behalf of the child (in the childs name) to insure the childs safety. Alfred Noble, stipulated that the award should go to”the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the Nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace Congresses. It should be awarded to person or organization that are in process of resolving a conflict or creating peace”. The commitee stated that” the extrordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms-ease American conflicts with Muslim Nations and strengthen the US role in combating climate change” was the justification for awarding him the prize. There was a 25 nation poll taken and our standing has improved from 7th to number 1, since his election. Yes, it appears that they are rewarding us for not having another Bush type President. You know like John McCain who sung, BOMB,BOMB,BOMB BOMB, IRAN, while running for president. The world is happy that we aren’t going to trust our “gut” like Bush and that we will actually try and prevent another un-necesary war. I don’t twist your words, you speak them, I repeat them back, but in conjunction with facts, which make you look silly. Not my fault. You are angry because when you critize Obama, I can find the same thing that the previous admin had done. Where was your anger at the Speaker of the House during previous admin?

          • eyeswideopen

            OOPs, Jeff, I didn’t address your Pelosi, issue. You are aware that Speaker Hastert, inserted 356million for a highway bill that was going to speed the development of several acres of land that he owned? He received 70,000 in contributions from Jack Abramoff’s(who was convicted of fraud) clients. Sibel Edmonds has sworn under oath, that she listened to wiretaps in which Turkish officials boasted that Hastert had accepted bundled campaign contributions. NSA is presently investigating. His office also knew about (R) Mark Foley’s sexual emails to the congressional pages three years prior to public disclosure. So these are just a few of the previous Speaker of the Houses various crimes and you have yet to name one that Pelosi, is accused of, or is under investigation for presently. I already stated that this Sibel Edmonds is going to be causing the Republicans alot of trouble, and no she isn’t a Dem, she is a conservative, who is honest. Hastert might go to jail and be with his buddy Abramoff!! Tom Delay will probably be there too.
            t

        • American Citizen

          You may think your eyes are open, but they’re blind to what is happening with this Administration. Apparently you don’t believe what Obama says. If you don’t heed the warnings, you deserve what you get.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No sir, youve got that wrong. It is our country that is going to suffer every “damn day” as you put it, because of uneducated kooks like you that pulled the Obama lever for someone you knew nothing about, didnt know who he was, where he was from, what he stood for, or nothing. Your dumb butt bought into TV commercials that said “change-change-change”. Thats all there was to him, you bought it. Now look at the mess we have. Thanks pal.

  • American Citizen

    They are finding out those wind farms are causing people health problems due to the vibrations they send. There also has to be constant wind for them to work, thus not too many areas they would be useful.

    It is no longer called “global warming” but “climate change” to fool the mush brains. Geological scientists, who are the ones really in the know, say we are in a cooling period due to the actions of the sun. It has been going on since the beginning of time. Periods of warming, then cooling. It’s cyclical.

    Those who rely on computer models cannot be reliable. They are only as good as what is entered into them. The UN is responsible for proclaiming “global warming”. Hidden agenda?

    • eyeswideopen

      Yes, American, and cars are killing us too. Along with the chemicals on the food we grow, the water we drink, and just about anything and everything that we touch, so does, that mean that we stop trying to find cheaper and healthier ways to live? They stopped using the phrase global warming, because some people actually thought that we wouldn’t have anymore winters, or cold weather. Silly, some are really silly.

      • JeffH

        Baaaaaa Baaaaaa, Baaaaaa!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Im all for it warming up. Our Indiana winters have been real cold lately. I would love it if in winter here it only got down to say, 60 degrees. That would be great. Im all in.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      AC – I think it’s the overhead super power lines that generate the high cost electricity that has and still is causing citizens and farm animals many problems.
      We need more natural elements in our society and much less of the man made (generic) killing drugs the pharmaceuticals peddle on citizens.
      Like the drug lords peddles drugs to people to get them hooked, then bleed them, the pharmaceuticals are using doctors by priming them with free drugs to give to their patients and then prescriptions to keep them on them, that cost big bucks.

  • RayD

    Like I said on the gun blog about eye’s.
    I think her eye’s are in her back pocket and looking up a dark hole. One day they might fall out of her pocket and see the real day light. There is always hope, even for her.

    IN GOD WE TRUST

    • JeffH

      In TROLLS case, hope is lost forever.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The TROLL does blindly follow his blind trolls you know. The TROLL pulled the “change” lever, and its not working out so good. The TROLL realizes he made a mistake with the millions of others that got hoodwinked by millions of dollars of advertising, repeating over and over and over, change-change-change. But you know, being on the left and all, they arent allowed to ever admit to a mistake. Its always someone else’s fault you know. Its Bush’s fault they voted for him you know. Its all Bush’s fault.

  • JKeyes

    How can a bill that is so full of restrictions help business?

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