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Nero Once Fiddled, Now Obama is Manning the Printing Presses

January 27, 2010 by  

Nero Once Fiddled, Now Obama is Manning the Printing Presses

“To Rome said Nero: ‘If to smoke you turn I shall not cease to fiddle while you burn.’” –Ambrose Bierce

For President Obama it has been a dismal year. He cannot claim victory on even a single one of his big four agendas: healthcare, the economy, the war or the environment. It seems for every step forward the Obama administration has taken two steps back.

Before you agree to wholeheartedly embrace this rumbling disaster, take note that Obama’s failures, even if they extend just another three years, are the nation’s failures and there will be consequences thrust upon us all.

Meanwhile Obama’s approval ratings continue to tank. At the crucial 100-day mark of his presidency in April 2009, 63 percent of those polled believed the President had accomplished a “great deal.” His overall approval rating, according to Real Clear Politics’ RCP Average, now stands at 49.6 percent, with 44.9 percent saying they disapprove.

With confidence in the leadership evaporating, the economy is gingerly perched on a precipice. At the same time the stock market has lost its upward momentum and could be susceptible to another crash.

“Despite the rebound of the stock market and the return to huge bonuses on Wall Street, most Americans remain mired in debt and millions of them are living in depression-like conditions,” says The Star.com. “The economy has come back far enough to reassure the wealthy and the corporate elites that things ought to return to pre-crash ways and that there is no need for radical measures of the kind they were prepared to accept during the great bailouts a year ago.”

The economy is so weak that one adult in eight and one child in four needs food stamps. Wall Street has so far ignored the three-legged table that is our economy, but perhaps not much longer.

Bear Still on the Prowl
In January the Federal Reserve reported that commercial real estate losses could reach 45 percent this year. The result of this is $1.5 trillion in commercial loans that could default.

It gets worse. Option adjustable rate mortgages have a gun at their head, with $29 billion recast higher at the end of 2009, followed by another $67 billion in 2010. Barclays Capital announced, “We expect 81% of the option ARMs originated in 2007 to default.”

If you want to know how fast this will sink Big Board stocks ask yourself this—how long does it take a gaggle of money managers to say, “Titanic?”

To date Wall Street is bragging about corporate earnings that “are not as bad as expected” and my favorite, “lower than expected” inflation. Whatever happened to the days of Ronald Reagan and Paul Volcker when any inflation was bad? That inflation could be worse is like your doctor telling you that your cancer is spreading, but cheer up… it’s not spreading as fast as he anticipated.

The Obama administration has been very good at only two things: expanding the breadth of the federal government and increasing the amount of dollars.

“What we don’t know yet is… whether we have big government or small government; they’re more interested in whether we have a smart, effective government,” said the President just before his inauguration.

So far so bad says the January/February issue of The Atlantic in its cover story. “A business organization as inflexible at the U.S. Congress would have a major Whale Oil Division; a military unit would be mainly fusiliers and cavalry,” decries the magazine, adding, “The American tragedy of the early 21st Century; a vital and self-renewing culture that attracts the world’s talent; and a governing system that increasingly looks like a joke.”

Part of the problem for the Democrats is that they subscribe to the dogma of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, that big government can dictate prosperity. What they will learn instead is that more money in and of itself is not more wealth.

Rome’s Spectacular Rise and Inflationary Fall
The god emperors of Rome constructed their empire by implementing hard money. It financed the greatest realm the world had ever experienced.

The hard money was paid out to its armies which in turn conquered most of the ancient world. Jack Weatherford explains in his book, The History of Money, “Rome’s fame and glory came from the military and from conquest, and their riches, too, derived much more from the achievements of the army than from those of the merchants.”

As long as Rome’s legions conquered new lands, the empire thrived. But each new occupation required ever greater resources. Around 130 B.C., Rome occupied the kingdom of Pergamum. In a few years, Rome’s spending doubled from 25 million denarri (a Roman silver coin) to 50 million.

By 63 B.C., the budget grew to 75 million denarri, and spending was beginning to spin out of control. Vast strategic ambitions and social expenditures were beginning to mount.

When Augustus siezed the throne Rome was at its apex, spending rose to an astonishing 250 million denarri or 10 times what it had been 60 years earlier.

By the time the Empire had conquered Europe the cost of its army vastly exceeded the treasure it was repatriating.

Yet spending continued to climb even as revenues declined. Sound familiar?

A string of emperors grasped at an immediate solution. They began to re-mint new money with less and less silver in it.

To pay for the rebuilding of Rome after it burned Nero reduced the silver content in the denarri by a whopping 90 percent! Before long confidence in Roman money began to collapse. Eventually the Empire imploded, crushed beneath its weighty ambitions, with a mountain of debt and a debased currency.

The New Romans
President Obama and the Federal Reserve have a much easier time of opting for inflation than Nero did. Our leaders don’t have to re-mint debased coins or even overwork printing presses. Instead they can create money out of thin air with a keystroke.

Last summer the Wall Street Journal wrote that the U.S. government has been, “flooding the market with dollars. By buying U.S. Treasuries and mortgages to increase the monetary base by $1 trillion, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke didn’t put money directly into the stock market but he didn’t have to. With nowhere else to go, except maybe commodities, inflows into the stock market have been on a tear… The dollars he cranked out didn’t go into the hard economy, but instead into tradable assets. In other words, Ben Bernanke has been the market.”

The problem is that the Obama/Bernanke bull can’t last. The creation of money is a zero sum game and alone it does not revive a fundamentally weak economy. And unless the economy itself improves—beginning with greater confidence in the dollar—the stock market is bound for a serious fall.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • MJ Montana

    They say the best barometers of the economy is the stock market. It is way up and probably headed much higher. I think Obama is doing a good job of slowly building confidence in the economy. I see progress. What I also see is the right-wing hoping and praying that he will fail that even it it ruins the nation, at least “He” won’t get re-elected. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

    • JeffH

      MJ Montana, you certainly can’t be serious. You must be another WH blogger. Get back to Newsvine where you can be appreciated.

      • LindyMaeUSA

        Good for you Jeff!

        You nailed this intruder before he hardly got started! Out the door with the likes of him!

        Instead of wasting our valuable time responding to “Pelosi-Reid Plants,” we have to stick together and let that kind know right up front “we’re on to what they’re trying to do” and won’t go for it! Ooooo-rah!

    • http://zz steelers01

      They say the best barometers of the economy is the stock market. It is way up and probably headed much higher. I think Obama is doing a good job of slowly building confidence in the economy. I see progress. What I also see is the right-wing hoping and praying that he will fail that even it it ruins the nation, at least “He” won’t get re-elected. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

      LOL, you sound like pelosi. The current state of our stock market has nothing to do with zero’s policy. I could explain quite easily but judging from the content of your post….it would be way over your nobama worshipping head. Glad you see progress since you and your fellow demoncrats seem to be the only one with this “special” sight gift. The right does not have to hope and pray for anything…the demonrats once again are doing it all for them. One needs to just sit back and watch them…..another landslide in November to make 1994 look tame and the grand experiment won’t be repeated for decades. Good year zero and your dem idiots! You will properly take your place as the worst modern day POTUS. I didn’t think it would ever be possible to dethrone jimmy the peanut but you have blown him away!

    • J C

      MJ, Try this on for size. Far too many of the Banks in the US had TARP money given to, or forced on them, with absolutely no instructions on what they were supposed to do with it. So they did what comes naturally, they invested the money in the stock market.
      This had the effect of creating an atmosphere of “busy”ness and activity and the DOW rose marginally. But what really happened was this – The Fed issued a whole new batch of “thin air” currency which was invested in a stock market run on paper. Both are artificial and no indication of the growth of real capital. The whole scheme did exactly what it was supposed to do. It devalued all currency presently in circulation, it ruined many Americans who were barely making their living and it put the government ever more firmly in control of our very existence. Boy that’s some F***ing recovery alright. These communists have to be stopped.

    • James

      MJM, The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell from just under 14,000 to just under 7,000; it has recovered a little over 50% of that, just last week, to 10,725; it then closed friday at 10,173 – a loss of 553 points, which signaled that a peak had been reached. From here, it should crash to a new low, just like it did in 1929. The only reason it went over a 50% recovery was because the U.S. Treasury was pumping money into the stock market. Take heed.

      • Norm

        The financial reports that I’ve heard don’t indicate another Bush market crash.

        • DaveH

          Enlighten me Norm. When was the Bush market crash? And what difference would it make anyway? Bush was a Fiscal Liberal, but his mismanagement pales in comparison to that which is displayed by Obama.
          When will you Liberals stop blaming Bush and start accepting blame for Obama? Does it have to be 10 years of Depression, as in FDRs case? Oh, I forgot, you still idolize Roosevelt. I guess it would take 20 years, or 30, or 40, or 50, or maybe 60 like the Soviet Union had to experience at the hands of starry-eyed Socialists.

    • Norm

      MJ Montana
      Right on.
      The biggest problem in this country is the Republican minority in Congress. In their sinister desires to derail the government, they have put stumbling blocks in every corner. Obama’s poll numbers have dropped but the Republican Congress numbers are lower.

      • TIME

        Norm,

        Are you for real? Lets explore for just a moment, if you have a miniority, how can they create problems for the Majority?

        That makes zero sense, as in its Missing any form of LOGIC.

        But by your Logic if a 10,000 pound duck falls dead on a 100 pound man, the 100 pound man will have the upper hand over the duck.
        Now hows that work?

        • DaveH

          Time,
          Forgive Norm; it’s hard to see reality when all that trough dust is getting in his eyes.

        • JeffH

          Norm isn’t a real person. He is just another “paid” liberal blogger. How else could anyone with a consience make those types of comments.

        • Harold Olsen

          Actually, that’s not so far-fetched. Think back to when Clinton first came into office. The Dums were the majority then as well. The Republicans prevented Clinton from passing just about everything he tried. The only thing he was able to get passed was what the right wanted him to pass. Once the Republicans gained the majority, then and only then could Clinton get anything done, but only what they right would allow. Of course, back then, the Republicans had a backbone, something they are lacking these days. So, if they are preventing Obama’s Nazi agenda from being passed, that must mean that the left are even more spineless than the right.

          • eyeswideopen

            Harold Olsen, thank you for being honest about the political situation and admitting when the Republicans acquired power. They had control from that time until 2006 when the Dems took it back. So basically you are admitting that the Republicans only let things pass that they wanted, therefore they are responsible for the economic mess that we presently are enjoying. If their course was correct how did we end up here? They obviously liked what the banks were doing for all those years and had no problem with people getting mortgages that were beyond their means. Remember we had control if we didn’t like the mortgage situation whey didn’t we change it? How did we let Clinton’s group keep the laws in effect for those mortgages? We were in control!! Passing Medicare Advantage to the tune of 800 billion without funding, during a time we were fighting two wars was truly a brilliant move. First time in our history that a group of politicians were able to take a surplus use that up and leave office with a 3 trillion deficit,while almost sending the entire world into a depression. It was also the first time in our history that we cut taxes and started two wars. It is so nice that you are happy with the fiscal handling that they provided. Others of us were not happy with such irresponsibility, after all we tagged the Dems as the spenders. After such horrible decisions were made by my party and they then passed the Patriot Act, I decided to try and change from within the spending mind set and petition to have the Patriot Act repealed,to no avail. My Republican representatives sent me condensending letters assuring me that they were doing the work of the people. My question to you is when do you think the Republicans will get off the OBSTRUCTION platform and work to solve our countries problems? I am now a registered Independent who will vote out every, repeat every incumbent who thought their job was to just say no, and all those who have voted in the lobbyists interests instead of mine, regardless of their party affiliation.

          • PhilDru

            No, the Republicans did NOT keep Klinton from doing anything! How about the Brady firearms control Act?, The Glass Stiegal Act? Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act? All republicans acting with the President. The budget surplus? smoke and mirrors. The downsizing of the military was the cause of that! Base closings and elimination of ships and personnel! Most Republicans are keynesians.

      • Harold Olsen

        If the biggest problem in this country is the spineless Republican derailing Obama’s agenda then may they continue. This weak-kneed minority just may end up, accidentally, saving our country from total ruin by stopping Obama’s Nazi policies.

        • http://cronkcalls@aol.com Mary

          Really important! Hope you all do it!

          This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.

          An idea whose time has come

          For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.
          If this was made into law, it would fix many problems in the U.S.

          Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

          “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .”

          Proposed 29th Amendment to the United States Constitution

          “Congress shall make no law without funds in the United States Treasury to pay for it. Congress shall make no unfunded mandate to any or all the states”

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      MJ Montana, Norm,

      The stock market is a chimera. As Gary North writes: “The recovery is based on the low short-term rates that FED monetary inflation has produced. Yet in recent weeks, the FED has begun to deflate. It has withdrawn liquidity from the banking system. Yet the Fed Funds rate and the 90-day T-bill rate have remained close to zero. Treasury rates across the board have not changed much in January. In fact, they have declined slightly. Why?

      Investors in fixed-income securities are still willing to settle for a negative real return. Consumer prices were up, December 2008 to December 2009 by 2.7% (CPI). Investors are nevertheless willing to accept six one-hundredths of a percent on 90-day T-bills and three-tenths of a percent on one-year T-notes.

      Why should we believe that these investors are fools, while stock market investors are the smartest people on the block? Fixed-income investors have done better than investors in the S&P 500 ever since March 2000. They have received a positive rate of return, just barely, after price inflation. Stock investors have suffered nominal capital losses, plus real losses as a result of price inflation of 12.4%. Their low dividends were offset by fund management fees in no-load funds and major losses of 6% or more in load funds.

      The recovery is based on a hope and a prayer: hope that the Federal Reserve has restored permanent solvency to the banking system, and a prayer that the recovery will survive the FED’s monetary stabilization.”

      Read the whole article here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north805.html

      If you put your faith (and money) in the stock market, be prepared to be disappointed.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Gary Cody

      Thanks MJ. I needed a good laugh. You are quite funny. Maybe you should run for the senate. Another commedian did, and he was elected.

      If you think the stock market is doing so well, I encourage you to invest. Just have islamobama print you up some of that funny money he is spending.

      • Harold Olsen

        Yes, but MJ doesn’t seem like a mean-spirited or hateful person as Al Franken is. That’s a criteria for being elected by the left. You must be mean-spirited and hateful.

      • http://Yahoo Malcolm

        I needed A good laugh. Thanks

    • Chong

      MJ, I think most of us want Obama to succeed with the we the people will prosper financially and most of have jobs if we want it. The way he is going about it will kill more private jobs and might increase more government jobs. The reason we want more private jobs is because this is the group that pays for the tax revenue. The government jobs will just take more of the tax revenue. Eventually there will be too many deduction from the tax coffer and not enough people to fill the tax coffer. So, you are correct when you say the right want him to fail. It is just not what you are thinking. If he get out of the business of destroying the free market, I am willing to bet that the right will start to love him. His health care bill is a job killer. The Cap and Trade bill is a job killer. Card check is a job killer. If he can propose a good health care bill that will actually help us(we the people) and create jobs, the far right will love him and might actually vote him back in(don’t hold you breath though). Think about it and maybe write Obama to ask him to move more to the center. There are lots of people without jobs, he can help by letting the free market work. Stop borrowing money to give to the bankers.

      Anyone who are conservatives should not be so mean to MJ, he is here to learn what is on our minds. Perhaps he/she might be looking for answer to a political question. We can recruit people like MJ to help the president to succeed on “we the people” agendas. Just a thought.

      • chipshot

        Chong,
        Good response. You make some very good points.

    • http://Yahoo Malcolm

      Dream on Obama.

      Get your head out of your empty suit. Get real if you can.

      I guess in order for Obama to get OUR money & freedom, he will be putting # on our heads in invisible ink. Then they can with every camera in America calibrated to spy on us, knowing where we are and how much money we have, from the highway camera to in store camera’s.

      Big Brother is watching! ……….. They will know our every move.

      You might think this is silly, but Obama is doing it in more ways then you realize.

      He is laying the ground work for his one world government take over, with him as leader.

      It’s coming.

      I once was a business owner before all the burdens were put on me. Now it is the government, unions, and workers that think you owe them a living by not having to work, complains because you require an honest day work. They show us for 8 hours, then want a paycheck with no responsibility complaining with ever breath. By the time you add benefits, taxes, fees, that the US Government, state requires, you are broke. You have to charge outrageous fees in order for you to have any money left. Then ones you are contracting with thinks you charge too much.

      I make more real take home money by working for someone else with less headaches.

      The last 4 years of his 8 years will be when he will come down hard taking away our freedoms.

      PS. Where were you born?

    • Rebecca

      What country are you living in MJ?

    • kathleen

      Good post, MJ Montana! It’s refreshing and unusual to see a reasoned comment on this site.

    • Kevin Beck

      The stock market is not a reflection of the health of the economy; it represents the value of the businesses in its indices. It also reflects the expectations of the future. The increase in valuations over the past 12 months is a reflection of investors’ perceptions that things are not as bad now as they were a year ago. But the other things it represents are an inflation in asset values and the fact that there is no other place for money to go. So let me ask this question: Would you rather be an investor in stocks now, or would you rather have been an investor in the same stocks last March?

  • Ardvark

    It will be interesting to see Obama’s State of the Union Speech tonight. I agree that we are in one heck of a state and Obama’s answer for everyting is spend more money. But what happens to our future or if and when the Chinese stop carrying our loans?

    • Robert

      Washington will sell the Chinese the Grand Canyon. And after that another American Asset and another and another. None of the politicians in Washington give a damn about the American citizen. They all have sweetheart entitlements and the US Military to enforce government seizures of private property when they run out of our National Treasures to sell.

    • Jana

      I said this in another post on another article, but I think its time for Congress to take a pay cut too. Last year they gave themselves a raise, now its time to cut everywhere.

      They need to cut their salary back, and not just a little bit either, they need to cut out 20%, and also cut their expense account allowance that they abuse on a regular basis too. These people live insulated from the problems of the real world or they would not have wasted all of this time being unfruitful on the Health Care fiasco, and would have spent time trying to fix the economy and create jobs. Instead they have penalized the small business owners and acted like money grows on trees.

      They have stopped the cost of living to the Social Security recipients, so what about cutting the welfare to these illegals that are here, and since they know where they live why not send them home.

    • Harold Olsen

      Yeah and several months ago when it was pointed out that he has spent more money than ALL previous presidents combined, he responded that he is NOT a big spender.

  • JeffH

    Well, well, well! I guess Obama’s magic wand only worked when he was running for office. Where has the magic gone? Can’t blame it on Bush this time. There is a silver lining in this cloud though because Americans everywhere are waking up to the horrible realities of a screwed up political system, yes that’s right, of Democrats and Republicans and the lack of consideration for the welfare of the people and the country in general. Change is in the air, but not the kind of change the voters thought they would get. We, the people, are the only one that can correct our mistakes. Let us all get it right this time.

    • http://zz steelers01

      Seems Joe Wilson has been vindicated many many times over! Lets see who will be the one to properly call zero a lying fool DURING his lie session tonight.

      • TIME

        Dude, DITTO…..Great point.

      • American Citizen

        Tell me how it comes out as I don’t plan to listen to his lies tonight. Every time he puts his face out there, things get worse. Those guys up there in D.C. don’t know when to let well enough alone and let the people work things out.

        • Jana

          American Citizen, me either. Just more rhetoric. Anyone can talk convincingly, its the actions that mean anything, and by his actions, he can’t change.

          • Harold Olsen

            Obama can’t sound convincing as far as I’m concerned. I mean, how can people be so stupid as to think this Nazi is so convincing when he so obviously lacks sincerity. It is impossible to be convincing if you lack sincerity. The people who think he is sincere must be easily flim-flammed. I wonder how many times they have bought the Brooklyn Bridge.

          • http://Yahoo Malcolm

            He did not even talk conversing tonight.

            Talk in riddles or fairy tales from mother goose.

      • JeffH

        steelers01…you have called it right on the mark. O’man will make speech number 400+ since his first day in office. I think we ae all tired of the rhetoric. How can one man say so much with zero credibility. Biden will be leading the clapping and standing ovations as usual. Obama will make a lot of promises in an attempt to save his behind, but will not waiver from his ideaology or his agenda. The Dems and Obama will still make their forced government run health care their number one priority despite what he sas about the economy and jobs.
        I think I’ll wait for the FOX news reports because O’man make me feel ill when he tries to “screw” me.

        • LindyMaeUSA

          Jeff:

          I’m sure relieved to know “a few of us” are aware Obama is still determined to strangle us with his “forced” healthcare! A White House insider said just 24 hours ago that “Obama’s speech tonight is all about him TELLING US we’ll get his DeathCare bill whether we like it or not.”

        • http://Yahoo Malcolm

          Will there was the grinning Jack in the box and lady speaker (oh what’s her name?) Nancy, jumping up, claping at ever lie spoken tonight, by the non-American president, born we do not know where, spiting out lies and fairy tales, he dreams about every night.

          Was such a long speech to say nothing.

      • Harold Olsen

        I respected Wilson for having the courage to call Obama a liar. I lost ALL respect for him when he wimped out and apologized to him. If someone calls Obama a liar tonight, and I’d love to see EVERY Republican yell it out, I hope they don’t wimp out and apologize. One should NEVER apologize for speaking the truth.

        • LindyMaeUSA

          You’re absolutely right, Harold! I too, lost ALL respect for Wilson’s “momentary integrity” because of him turning into a mealy-mouthed scardy-cat almost instantly after his bold remark! What in the world (or who?) prompted him to yell: “You lie!” then back-peddle so disgustedly??

        • eyeswideopen

          Harold, there is a time a place for everything. You don’t let your child scream out questions/snide remarks during church or when their teacher is speaking do you? Bob Livingston as an ex member of Congress knows and practiced proper decorum while the President was present in the Congressional House. You may want to throw down and act like one of the Asian or Latin countries, by cursing and throwing actual fists, however our fore fathers decided we would show respect to each other and thankfully instituted rules to keep us civil. A Congressman represents the citizens and in public should be able to control themselves, and not act like an unruly child.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear eyeswideopen,

            You are confused. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of Congress.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • eyeswideopen

            So glad to hear that, His reputation is not so sterling. Thanks for the site.

        • http://Yahoo Malcolm

          He has my respect.

  • ASGreen

    And even better example than Rome is what King Midas did. The ancients were always trying to inflate away problems and it hasn’t stopped there. Look at the Spanish Empire, the British Empire, Germany in the 1920s and Zaire’s hyper-inflation in the 1990s.

    Inflation is always an easy out, and the more lofty the goals of the leader, the more we need to worry. Right now we have a leader with very lofty goals, although I would cut short of comparing him to Nero. Otto von Bismarck and his attempted social reformation is much more fair comparison.

  • Johnnyrite

    Good analogy between cancer and inflation. That the goverment is bragging up inflation because it is not all that bad is ridiclous. Any inflation, especially in an atmosphere of a week economy is terrible.

    In fact there is a word for it: it is called stagflation. Another Democrat — Jimmy Carter — lead us down that garden pather. And get this, the inflation number given is not as bad as it actually is. The feds hide a lot when the measure the Consumer Price Index. Inflation — the cancer in our economy — is probably in fact much, much worse. And more spending and debt by Obama will only make it more destrutive.

    Clinton has his saxophone. Maybe Obama really has a fiddle.

    • BillRT

      What Obama is playing are the indolent Americans that want to vote themselves tax-payer funded benefits. Some people don’t want him to fail. Too late, he’s failed all Americans, especially those who blindly follow this idiot.

      • TIME

        Bill,

        I just got back from NY on Tuesday, I asked around while I was there and I could not find a single person that would vote for the O man ever again that covers Independant and Democrat. The media is fighting hard to make everyone think all is well on the DC front, but its not.

        Every one I spoke with is enraged by the way O man has handled his job, let alone what he is pushing for his agenda such as the alledged Health Care bill, or Cap and Trade.

    • American Citizen

      I believe most people are aware of the fuzzy math the pols use. That;s why we can’t believe anything they say anymore. We need a complete turnover in DC.

  • Bib Kahuna

    Obama has not done one thing for this country. He is a self-centered individual leading us into a state run contry. His polices align with all socialistic countries and just like Rome, will lead to our demise.

    • Mark

      Our economic demise is necessay for the dream of “Workers of The World Unite” to become a (nightmare) reality. See Woody Allen’s movie Sleeper in which everyone had to be handicapped in order that they had no physical or mental advantage of any sort over anyone else.

      • Norm

        Mark
        If Woody Allen said it it must be so.

  • Mark

    Debt is the best thing to have as it will be repaid in cheaper (WAY cheaper) dollars.

    If you happen to have been responsible and saved, you are best off to take your savings AND as much as you can borrow and put it into PHYSICAL silver or gold, as no government can print more of it.

    Funny thing is any gold such as ETF paper gold, even though it only maintains spending power is called a profit when valued in vastly, INTENTIONALLY devaled dollars. Yeah, the politicians want to tax you on your “profit” between a stable store of value and the depreciated currency. We are paying them taxes for intentionally devaluing our currency. That’s why you need to take PHYSICAL and annoymous delivery of the actual metals.

    • http://zz steelers01

      great idea moron. Let’s let the wealthy elite buy up all the gold. Where would that leave you? There are just some that should be aborted……as an adult.

      • J C

        Too late. Its already done. The Political and financial elite already own everything…including you and I. The whole system needs to be flushed and reborn…maybe as a republic this time.

      • Mark

        By wealthy elite you mean people that worked hard and took risks with everything, over and over, lived below their means while saving and now are unwilling to have Oba-Mao inflate the results of a lifetime’s worth of hard work and sacrifice into a worthless pile of paper?

        If that’s what you mean, then I guess I’m guilty of being one of the “wealthy elite” and have already transfered 80% of my capital into bars of silver, gold and ammunition (when I can even find it). Busy as hell transferring the other 20% so I can still buy food and take care of my family in retirement, when your “hope & change” is fully realized.

        • Norm

          Mark
          The finincial elite are the people who made loans to people with no prayer of paying them back. They are the bankers who beg for goverment bailouts and take multimillion dollar bonouses. They are the people who send US jobs to communist countries like China and Viet nam. They are insurance execs. who scalp the puplic on premiums.
          If you have less then 10 million dollars you aren’t even rich. And Mark I doubt you do.

          • American Citizen

            Take a look at who most of the rich are, Washington politicians, entertainers (movies, TV and sports), CEO’s of major corporations and banks. That’s why it’s laughable when the politicians talk about the rich as they mean themselves.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            Do you even read the articles I post? The banks were coerced to lend to marginal borrowers by organizations like ACORN; and starting in the Clinton days, banks were increasingly were encouraged to make more subprime loans (those to risky borrowers). Your Big Government, as usual, was the problem, not the solution.

            http://reason.org/news/show/the-housing-boom-and-bust

          • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Steelers,
        You are bashing Mark for stating the truth, and trying to advise you how to protect your buying power?
        It is a fact that during inflationary times borrowers gain and lenders lose, and that people are put into higher income tax brackets when their wages are increased as a result of that inflation.

    • James

      Mark, Never borrow money to buy anything, especially gold and silver. That’s what Americans were doing in 1928 and 1929. Just because precious metals go up in price doesn’t mean they are getting more valuable, it just means the dollar is getting less valuable. And let’s remember, FDR outlawed possession of gold, just before he devalued the dollar even more. The best buy, the safest buy, is now silver, it closed yesterday at $16.73/oz. and still has a lot of catching up to do, but don’t do it with borrowed money.

      • Mark

        Yup, silver/gold ratio will likely improve.

        Buying with borrowed money is my personal “carry trade”. Borrowing only costs me LIBOR +2% I buy metals for actual cash, no record I have them.

        Worst comes to worst, I will simply default on my loans and still have my metals. I’ve made sure I have no attachable asetts. Then I would retire to the sticks and grow food like on the TV show “Green Acres”

        • James

          Mark, “No record I have them?”, there is now.

      • DaveH

        Actually James,
        Borrowing money to buy Gold and Silver during inflationary times is a pretty sound investment, especially if the interest rate on the loan is fixed. The Gold and Silver will approximately retain their buying power while the dollar loses its buying power. So you can later repay the loan with those worth less dollars. The inflation rate has to become higher than the interest rate that you pay on the loan of course for this to work. I think that inflation is a certainty with the current administration in power.
        I don’t however condone what Mark is suggesting (defaulting on the loan). That is something a Liberal with no integrity would factor into the equation.

        • MW

          DaveH I’ll back you up on your comment, too. First, get out of paper.
          I’m selling off stocks (expect gold & silver mining), mutual funds & municipal bonds (most governments are on the verge of bankruptcy anyway!). Pay for all your gold & silver transactions with (worthless) Federal Reserve Notes. When borrowing from a bank or credit union do so with caution. I would not disclose to the loan officer what the money is for. The financial institution could very well report you to several federal agencies. Coin dealers, jewelry stores & pawn shops have all come under government scrutiny, too. Also, if you have a credit card(s), you may want to use the cash withdrawl privilege that might come with it, especially if you have a good interest rate & low fees for exercising this benefit. Do so in small amounts & make damn sure you don’t get yourself into financial dire straits like many people did back in 1980 when gold went to $800 an ounce & dropped down to around $500 in a few weeks. May I alert you to the fact that gold bullion is subject to U.S. Government confiscation & this scares the hell out of me! Check this out by GOOGLING the magazine “Criminal Politics” & at the home page you’ll be able to clickon their report about gold ownership & possible confiscation in the future.

        • James

          DaveH, back in 1929, just before the crash, the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, and its counterpart in London, both raised their interest rates to a point above the rate of inflation. This stopped the borrowing and buying of stocks, and the market collapsed. Even farmers were doing this, they hocked their farms to buy stocks, stock brokers were even accepting bought-stocks as collateral.
          Remember, we just saw in the last few days at congressional hearings, that interest rates are not regulated, and will not be regulated. If some people default on their credit card account, the interest on other accounts is simply raised to offset that.

        • eyeswideopen

          DAve, come on, you know that there are just as many dishonest Repubs as there are Dem’s….The Repubs defaulted on mortgages that they could pay for, but when they lost all their equity, they just walked away, just like the Dem’s did.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      You are one smart man Mark – you also need to buy some farm land or a least land that you can grow foord and have checkens and small farm animals for meat. Since you have done the rest, just best to wait and see as you can move out of the country for the other because you have the funds. Also a good thing is to have some cash stashed in stable banks out of the country because when and if that time comes, as an American you won’t be able to take any cash out of the country just like now, in cash you cannot take on you anywhere even across state lines more than 9,999.00 or if caught the Government will confiscate using the law of drug trafficking. I forget what year, but that was an article in Readers Digest and was taking place in Lousiana along Interstate 10 some place, I don’t remember now exactly where. Also a good idea to get a second passport. There are many countries that will issue you a passport so you can use whichever you want, kinda like Obummer is doing unless he gave up his Indonisian and British passports along the way after the election.

  • Bib Kahuna

    Obama has not done one thing for this country. He is a self-centered individual leading us into a state run country. His polices align with all socialistic countries and just like Rome, will lead to our demise.

  • TeresaE

    This one line, if you analyze it and realize what BS politco speak the Federal Reserve hands out, should fill EVERY one of us with fear, “…In January the Federal Reserve reported that commercial real estate losses could reach 45 percent this year. The result of this is $1.5 trillion in commercial loans that could default…”

    When the Fed Reserve says commercial loans defaulting, we assume they mean the companies can no longer make the payments – which in some cases is true – BUT reality is the banks are YANKING credit from paying commercial customers. Calling in notes that are BEING PAID.

    Think your boss can survive another round of cashing out his personal assets to keep the business afloat?

    Better hope he can. As for my business, we did that last year.

    This year if the bank comes calling again (and everything points to that happening), they can have the business.

    Yep, we will lose everything that my husband has worked over 30 years for. We will trash our credit, lose our home and our business. Success!

    The real tragedy will be for my employees. Where are they going to find replacement jobs when my competition is in the same boat as I am?

    Wake up people, the government is telling the banks to bankrupt your employers. All the talk about jobs, stimulus and the like is BS.

    Enjoy the change so many wanted.

    • J C

      I think every employer should go out in the parking lot, find every Obama sticker and lay off the employees who own those cars. There’s some “change” for ya!

      • Mark

        Already done, except for one employee. You don’t need to see bumper stickers, you can get “street lists” from the county election office telling you how everyone is registered.

        TeresaE is dead on. Personally, I maxed out all my remaining credit lines, put them in physical gold and told the bank, sorry, I’m not paying down my lines, you can convert them to term loans if you like. Re-mortgaged my business building to the max, put that all in physical silver. I’m paying those loans. My house was 300K underwater and I’m going to walk away soon and rent for a few years till I see where the big mess is going.

        Maybe I’m more paranoid than most. If I’m wrong, then there was no downside to being prepared for a major extended depression.

        • http://zz steelers01

          total dumb—!

          • Mark

            A couple hundred TRILLION in unfunded social liabilities & debt, with no takers except the fed for treasury bills, trillions in mortgage defaults to come very soon, stocks only up because the fed is printing money and many are putting into the market. Everything propped up by printing more paper. This won’t end well and recovery will take decades. I’m near retirement, I don’t have decades. My grandfather made it through the depression by having a lot of silver, while his neighbors and friends were wiped out. I think most have no clue the size of the iceberg we are about to crash into.

          • Military Couple

            Steelers, Mark actually isn’t so dumb. The system can’t keep going as it is now. I’m not so sure that he is overly paranoid either. Those of us who have always worked or owned businesses & taken care of ourselves are looking at ways to continue taking care of ourselves and our families when the poo hits the fan (and it will). Anyone who can’t see that is fooling themselves. It is a FACT tht fewer and fewer people are working & paying the taxes to keep the welfare system going (even before all this mess started). There has been no incentive for people to work and there are thousands of families that have never worked and never will, but keep having children that continue the family tradition. Why should they work? Food Stamps for food/Section 8 for housing/Medicade everytime someone sneezes/and Disability & SSI Payments for cash which is then used for big screen TVs, Cable, Cell Phones, newer cars, etc. etc. etc. Irresponsible young girls (13, 14, 15 yrs old) getting pregnant by irresponsible boys/men who EXPECT the state to take care of them and their kid instead of taking responsibility for their own actions. If parents can’t teach their children about morals and their responsibilities then the parents need to take care of theose children – NOT THE GOVERNMENT and the rest of the taxpayers. By the way, I am a parent & know the difficulties of raising a child to do the right thing, but it is my responsibiity not anyone elses. Oops, off the initial comment. Sorry. Ssore point for me. Suffice it to say that I don’t blame Mark for his comments. A person can only play the game and do the right thing while being raped only so long before it becomes “take care of self and family” to heck with everyone else.

        • MW

          Mark, your right. Having hard assets as opposed to paper will help you
          weather this coming economic catastrophe. My grandfather survived the great depression by having plenty of silver coins & being a plumber by trade. Also, “be prepared” (the official motto of the Boy Scouts of America by the way) for the collapse of civilization as we once knew it, it’s getting closer each day.

      • coal miner

        J.C,

        You mean take everyone’s right to vote,if they vote for Obama?That is the most stupidest statement on this blog.That means you want a one party system?Don’t people have a right to vote for the person of his or her choice.I didn’t vote for Obama,but if the other person’s candidate wins,than that the people’s will.The only person I ever voted for, was Nixon.I thought he was the most honest.Obama won it fair and square,get off your high horse and get over it.THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY!

        • Military Couple

          I’m not sure that Mark means to have a one party system because anyone in their right mind should know that won’t work if we really want to be free. Besides, people make mistakes and everyone I know who admitted voting for Obama has recanted that decision. I truly believe that Obama has done more to hurt our country in the last year than all the presidents together in the last 100 years. BUT, we have been heading slowly this way for many, many years. It doesn’t matter much which party is in power. The point is POWER. That is what they all want and that means more and more government. The Dems just do it quicker by “buying” votes through voting more and more welfare programs for those people who are too lazy to work and want something for nothing. They feel that they are ENTITLED to all this support. Why I am not sure; nor how in the world they can believe they are entitled to it. It boggles my mind.

          • JC

            Good observation. Agreed.

          • Lewis Munn

            Remember, kids have been taught that in the FREE country we are entitled to Life, Liberty, and Happiness. All Free. Costs us nothing at all. And kids should never be frustrated or denied any selfish pleasures!

            This seems to be the current schooling. From the Government dictators who set the school courses. Now it appears that PE will be in how to satisfy your desires homosexually as well as Hetero..no more all games or track and field…except for the sexual education and meanings.

            Sound like Rome decaying and falling??

        • JC

          I want to take away peoples right to vote? I said no such thing.
          personally I could see early on that Obama was full of sh*t and I chose not to vote for him. McCain was not much better so I didn’t vote for either main stream party, I went 3rd party.
          Obama was a liar from the get go and anyone who chose that route should be the first to be rewarded for the “changes” he brought.
          No coal miner, I think we need a no party system. I think we need an administration of professional managers who are held accountible for their actions. We hire them, not vote for them.
          You want to vote, ignorantly or otherwise…knock yourself out.

          • Lewis Munn

            Amen, JC. My voting philosophy too.

            Unfortunately, the government electors throw out most 3rdf party votes! May be wrong, but since they are from only the major parties doing the counting…the protest votes never are even mentioned.

            One of the great features of our system…forget the little guys!

  • http://jtberger@accesscomm.ca joe berger

    Obama is doing as good a job as anyone might,considering Bush’s legacy
    Just as it took many years to recover from the 1929 crash, It will also take many years for the economy to recover from Bush’s collapse.
    Adding to the problem is the nonsensical unwinnable wars being fought…two more mini-Vietnams.
    While it is very true, all of the West is a civilzation in decline, the real reasons are very differnet, and have almost nothing to do with economic or fiscal policy. At present birth rates “Europeans” will be virtually extinct in less than 200 years.

    • J C

      Joe, It took many years because the government was “helping”.

      • Claire

        JC–you are right on this one. All politicians were “helping.” All of them contributed to this economic chaos.

    • C Houston

      Let’s see Joe… twas Bush’s fault. Let’s recant a bit of recent history… Bush inherits a recession from Clinton… we then have 6 years of positive and nearly unprecedented economic growth while financing 2 wars… in the interim, the Bush Administration recognizes a serious deficiency in the regulation of Government backed mortgages (Freddie & Fannie being the recipients)… emphatically suggests tighter controls/oversights… that is vehemently countered by the likes of Barney & Chris and the now Democratically controlled House & Senate (2006 if you’re keeping a calendar)… the bubble burst and all get wet… well, with the exception of those residing in the lofty towers in D.C.

      Yep, Joe Berger… it was Bush’s fault.

      How’s this Hope & Change workin’ for ya Joe! Read recent history and track it for yourself… Pundits and Politicians will lie to you sir, but History always tells the truth!

      • eyeswideopen

        C. houston, Dem’s got control Jan 2007, till that time the Repubs had control of both houses of Congress from 1995. So, you are saying that the Repubs wouldn’t back their own President? Why would that be? Greed and corrpution? Were they being funded by lobbyists connected with the housing and banking industry? When you have total control, and you pass legislation which allows people who can’t qualify for mortgages to get them(so that mtge brokers can get a commission) you can’t complain 10 years later that it caused fiscal problems. Who was driving the bus from 1995 to 2007?

    • Dan

      You and every other dumb*sscrat will continue to try and lay the blame for this colapse on Bush. The reality is that Frank (D) and Dodd (D) forced this stupid “lend to the poor guy mortgage rules”, and it was passed amd supported by the dumb*sscrat controlled congress. Bush or any president for that matter generally can only go with the flow of the house and senate, unless they are of the same party. Then you get a dissaster like we have now.

    • DaveH

      Joe can’t lose. No matter how long the bad economy lasts it will always be Bush’s fault. I would be willing to bet that he didn’t apply that same logic to the bad economy that Bush inherited from Clinton.

      • eyeswideopen

        DAve, it wasn’t Bush’s fault, it was Congress, the REPUBLICAN one!!!

    • MW

      Joe, it was World War 2 that got this nation out of the depression. FDR’s New Deal was an abysmal failure. The post war years were great because many people had plenty of money to spend & also had savings. Keep in mind that most of the world was still recovering from the war while we here in the USA were enjoying unrivaled prosperity. Most of the economic problems we are experiencing today go back to the mid 1960′s when this country tried to fight a war & have a welfare state aka the Great Society simultaneously plus honor JKF’s tax cuts for business & individuals from 1962. As a result by 1967, we went from being a creditor to debtor nation. Not only did we lose in ‘Nam but we also lost the war on poverty. Let me know if you need some more lessons in economic history, they’re free by the way!

  • Ben F

    He certainly has no problem spending. Hopefully he will hear the people and move to the center. Mass. Senate election must have improved his hearing, which should be pretty good. No more bailouts for banks, A.I.G., etc.. Let the economy correct itself. It will. Government intervention only prolongs the agony, like pulling off a bandaid slowly. Ouch.

    • DaveH

      No matter what bad thing happens next, it will always be somebody else’s fault in the Liberal eyes. Have you ever known a Liberal to accept responsibility for their actions?

      • JC

        Nope, never have. But then I’m trying to remember a politician who did.
        Ain’t politics grand?

      • eyeswideopen

        You are saying that the Repubs accepted responsibilty for their lack of control? You are funny. What do you want the Dem’s to say. That they are sorry the Repubs who had control didn’t use it? To Quote Dick Cheney. “Regan proved deficits don’t matter, we won the midterms. This is our due” That was the Republican attitude and it almost sunk the ship.

    • Harold Olsen

      If Obama does move to the center it will be the center of the left. He couldn’t exist without spending and wasting our tax dollars any more than he could stop breathing.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Obama is going to create the biggest Wall Street “Crash” in American history this fall! It will make ’29 look “like paradise on my dashboard light!” Welcome to this “fundamental change” of our system in government (Marxism) that was promised and jumped on by the biggest % of white women in the history of American elections! This is as bad as the Irish “Jesuit” Immigrants coming here before the civil war and causing the civil war under the guise of slavery! I’m not a racist, but why do you think that the Bible excludes “Dan” (Irish) in the protected tribes of Israel in the end days? The civil war was really about allowing “Roman Catholics” into America, now our largest “Christian” denomination! Well, after all, “Jesus” was invented in 1520 by Petrus Galatinus when asked by the Pope to give the “Jewish” Messiah a Name to honor the highest Greek Deity, Zeus! That’s provable history folks!

    • Dan

      I’m sorry but here it is. Only men and people who own property should be allowed to vote. Women throw too much “emotion” into every decision they make, and elected a “handsom, picked on, no father figure, I feel sorry for him, minority”. And people without any form of property have “no skin in the game”, to qoute zero.

      • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

        I hear you, Dan!

      • DaveH

        I think there ought to be some threshold of taxes paid before one can vote. Nobody without skin in the game should be allowed to vote. That, not sex or property ownership, should be the determining factor.

        Have you noticed that young adults are a royal pain-in-the-donkey until they get out and have to pay their own way? Suddenly they become decent human beings. It is all about responsibility.

        Speaking of that, there is only one Party I know that has consistently embraced Individual Freedom, Individual Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government. That is the Libertarian Party. Join us. Make a difference. Quit voting for the lesser of two evils (which is still just evil):
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • DaveH

          Help us build our party. Sure it takes time, but the future result would be worth the effort.

        • Military Couple

          Generally I don’t spend much time commenting to these things – too busy working our business but have time while travelling today. Anyway, I agree to a point with Dave H. I don’t think anyone who has never put into the system and has only “taken” from the system (Food Stamps/Section 8/Medicade/SSI, etc) should have a vote. Their votes generally go to more ENTITLEMENTS for themselves at the expense of taxpayers.

        • JC

          Dave, as a staunch Libertarian I have to ask you about your comment; “I think there ought to be some threshold of taxes paid before one can vote. Nobody without skin in the game should be allowed to vote.”
          You’re not advocating anything like the present regime I hope.
          My take on infrastructure is user fees w/o income tax. No user fees (tax) on basic items like food medical care and shelter. But, luxury cars, fuel, swimming pools….along those lines should have a % attached that goes back into infrastructure, defense etc. Under a system of professional, responsible and accountable managers hired on the merit of their experience. Not voted in at all. So no income tax and no need to vote. But a sufficient amount of money in the budget to fulfill basic needs of national security, a civil police force and a system of justice.
          Your take?

          • chipshot

            JC,
            Let’s not forget the Constitution. I believe the original intent of the founding fathers was that there would not be professional politicians like the ones who have evolved.

            I know the system as it stands now is broken, but it could easilly be fixed with term limits, including a term limit on supreme court justices (one 6 year term).

            By doing that and also having the congressmen reside in their home state rather than in d.c. (allow them to go to d.c. for a week or so each year to hear the idiot president give the “state of the union” speech. With today’s communications and via the internet, there is absolutely no need for them to reside in d.c. within easy reach of the lobbyist and other special interest groups.

            Also, reduce the size of the federal government to that spelled out in the Constitution. That would eliminate about 75% of the bloated, tax consuming federal agencies.

          • JC

            Those are some good thoughts chipshot, but all for naught as long as we have The Federal Reserve and an endless supply of funny money for these political criminals to waste and pin the bill on us.
            And I think you’re right….we’re supposed to be a Republic of free men…not a Democracy of economic slaves.

        • Lewis Munn

          I agree…nearly always vote Libertarian, and seldom for even any major party candidates, unless they are exceptional

          My representative this time is real communicative, works for the good of all the people, and I vote for him. I vote 3rd party for the rest, when I am allowed that choice. The DemoPublicans generally differ only in how much they want to destroy my freedoms, and how and how fast!

      • Jana

        Dan, I actually agree with you. Especially the single women. I have talked to a lot of these single women and they vote for someone who would promise to ‘take care of them’. There are the exceptions out there, but sadly it is the general rule.

        I have heard before and do think it is so, that women who are married vote conservatively most often.

        However, there are some men that I don’t think ought to vote either. I actually liked the poll tax. It stopped a lot of these gimme votes.

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        Most like you say have no skin in the game however, most are also on the dole so I do agree. You want to vote, then you have to be a property owner. PS. By that time, the young folks have gotten a real taste of the world, having to get an education, having to work for a living etc etc etc.Does anyone know if that stupid law got passed that illegals and felons could vote?

      • Claire

        Dan: “Women throw in too much emotion.” Why do you think you are better qualified to vote? It is nice you think highly of yourself, but I think highly of myself too. I own property,and plenty of it. I believe I have a right to vote. If it wasn’t for a woman, you wouldn’t be here. And I imagine your Mother voted too. So if you are knocking the way women vote, get a grip. Not always do women make the best decisions, but neither do men. Voting is a crap shoot. The luck of the draw. None of us know what the politician will do when they enter the Oval Office or the Congress.

        • Dan

          It was very easy to see where this maniac was coming from if the sheeple had used some common sense. This man went to Jerimiah Wrights church for 20 years, and got a pass. He started his political career in a terrorists front room, Bill Aires (Weather Underground). He has no, I repeat no experience whatsoever running anything, and yet he was still elected. This had to be because of a “Huge” emotion factor, because it surely was not because of the facts. Yes there are many uninformed, emotional males as well, I was simply stating, an educated from experience, observation that women do tend to jump to emotional “conclusions” quicker than most, not all, men. And yes my mother voted, she voted for George Wallace, what do you think about that.

          • Claire

            If your Mother voted for George Wallace, she probably believed she was choosing the right person. I do not fault her for this. We all have erred when voting. All politicians have millions of promises, that is how they are elected because they think people will believe every word they say. I fell for it hook line and sinker too, but I didn’t freak out over the guy. As I said before, none of us know what a candidate will do once they enter the White House. I cen tell you one thing–I sure as heck will not re-elect any of them. I am going to use my brains wisely and well this time around. So help me, God.

          • Claire

            Good grief! “can” not “cen. Its early.

    • Johnnyrite

      I couldn’t agree more Victor. Good posting.

  • Ken

    obama has one objective in mind and that is to turn this great Country into a socialist state. He has no interest in improving our economy and job situation. History shows exactly whats required to do that. He wants to bring this country to its knees to accommodate implementing socialism. Just look at the czars he has surronded himself with. Admitted communist and marxists. I’m in my seventies and this is without a doubt the most corrupt administration in my lifetime. We, the American People, have an opportunity to commence to take our Country back in November. The election of Brown is just the beginning.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      If only? I’ll hopefully be able to agree with you this November, but I doubt it! Yes, I do realize that obama is an Marxist ideologist, not a pragmatist! This progressive bullshitter will re-teach us tonight about how good we will feel when he gets his way to allow our government to take care of us!

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Ken, why do you think this administration wants to take over health care, it is to eliminate people like you and I who have memory tapes of the past. Remember Soilent Green the movie. I sure wish someone would plat that on TV like right after or before the State of the Union Message tonight and label it OBAMACARE.

    • Lewis Munn

      Sorry, you missed fairly widely.

      Obama is a committed Muslim, and he wants to make us a Muslim state under Sharia Law.

      Look carefully at how he persecutes Christianity and supports Muslim ideas.

      He wants his 90 virgins!

  • Cory

    Comparing the 2 parties is like comparing twidily de to twidily dumb. We need a 3rd party with James Traficat and Ron Paul ideas. It will never happen since the worlds elite control and have their asses covered by the 2 party system.
    cc

    • DaveH

      It will happen Cory if we can educate the masses to reality. The Internet is a great tool towards that goal if the leaders aren’t allowed to stifle it.

  • http://foxnews linda

    My son is a financial analyst and he has echoed much of what you just spoke of in your article. For me, it just doesn’t seem we have a man of knowledge or experience to handle the tough job the people have allowed him to do, and we allowed him to have the job because before he was elected he sounded like he really wanted to do the right things. We now know better.

    • DaveH

      The problem is, Linda, that we have allowed the Government to have too much responsibility over our lives. No man is up to that task, so what we get are liars who claim to be. We need to start electing only those politicians who promise us (and keep that promise) that they will work to cut back the size of Government. We need to restore responsibility to the individuals.

    • Ladybounty

      Linda, if your son is a financial analyst then the knows that if Obama hadn’t spent money to try to stop a depression, we WOULD NOW be in a full-blown depression the likes of which this country has not EVER seen before, not even comparative to the “Great Depression”.
      Not spending during a recession forces the economy into a deep, deep depression.
      I’m curious as to what you and your son both think should have been done with the mess Obama inherited from Bush…

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        You can’t be serious!!!!!!! Yes, he has spent and spent and spent but all the wrong way!!!!!! You don’t do bailouts so they can pay big bonusus. Instead of giving out that tremendous amount to big business, let it fail. I don’t see anyone bailing out my business. Instead, lets see, divide however many legal American Citizens there are at this time, into the bailout billions, and send each one of those Citizens their share,tax free WALLAH! Everything is back up and running properly. They can now pay off their mortgages in full, so housing crisis solved, if they don’t have a home, can now go out a buy one with cash, construction industry back in business, can buy a new car, that solves GM’s problem, and still have many many dollars left to keep in the bank for a rainy day. Now doesn’t that make more sense? Oh yes, buy hospitalization and pay the premium for a whole year, that bails out that industry.

      • JC

        Sure, pull artificial money out of thin air and throw it around like there’s no tomorrow. Kill everyone’s retirement funds with inflation and take over some major corporation at the same time…then sit on your smiling Kenyan ass and hope hyperinflation doesn’t hit while you’re still in America. Good plan…what a hero.

      • George

        Lady,

        The banking system had to be stabilized early on. That took some money and may take some new regulations. That’s unfortunate, but probably had to be done. After that, we need to get the economy growing again. This requires pumping capital into the system. There are a number of ways of doing this. Some are productive, while others aren’t. The fastest way to grow the economy is to get capital in the hands of the most productive sectors of the economy. This really isn’t rocket science, but is politically unpopular (given the “fairness” arguments generally promoted by the left). The wealthiest folks are generally the most productive when it comes to generating wealth, so that’s where the money needs to go first. The most efficient way of doing this is through tax rate reductions. This way the government doesn’t handle the money and don’t decide who should get it. It just goes to the folks who are already paying the most tax. If this is made “permanent”, then people getting this capital will find productive ways of employing it to make money with it. Many will make investments that will result in hiring employees. When hiring and salaries increase through productivity increases, then you’ve got the basis for a sustainable economic recovery. Unfortunately, Obama chose unproductive ways to “stimulate” the economy. That will result in a slower recovery than if he had just elected to employ tax rate cuts, especially for the wealthy.

  • thefedupamerican

    I suspect Obama may have ‘heard’ from the people but not sure he’s accurately interpreted the message. Everything coming out of the White House indicates not that they will ‘move to the center’ but that the only people the White House has ‘heard’ is the far left. All Obama’s little minions say we need to move faster toward socialization, not slow down and stop spending! Doesn’t sound like they ‘get it.’

    • American Citizen

      Even of Obama “moves to the center”, do you really think we can trust him? A liar is a liar is a liar. He not only lies to us, he lies to himself. That’s why he’ll never change. It’s too ingrained in him.

      Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

      • Jana

        Amer. C. Tight on.

        • Jana

          Amer. C. Rats! I meant Right on.

          • Lewis Munn

            All we have to do is study the fall of Germany to Hitler, and see how NOT to make an economy work, and to fall to despotism!

            It is in the History books until the despots burn them.

      • JeffH

        I hear ‘ya loud and clear.

    • Harold Olsen

      Oh, Obama hears us alright, but he just is not listening to us. After Brown’s election in Massachusetts, he said in an interview that he does hear us but, and these are my words, we’re just too stupid to know what we believe in. In his words, he said he has to talk to us to let us know what we believe. That is the entire belief of the left. The American people are too stupid to run their own lives. We need the government to tell us what to do, when to do it. I used to have a co-worker–a black liberal co-worker–whom I said this to and he not only agreed with it but he was PROUD that he needed the government to tell him how he should be living his life. Liberals seem to WANT to be given a free ride and not have to earn anything and that seems to especially go for liberal blacks. And, if what I just wrote sounds racist, well, I don’t care!!

    • George

      I see two dynamics in play here. First, Obama is a far-left Progressive who really does believe in the greatness they can create through the power of big government. So, while he hears the American electorate, he interprets the issue as the Liberals are not doing enough to educate Americans on the virtues of a Progressive world. That tells me he’ll probably double down and keep pushing his socialist agenda because he really believes history will prove him right. The second thing I see is that he has already lost most of the moderate and conservative electorate, and many of them will not vote for him in the future regardless what he does. Now he’s at risk of losing his leftist base because they don’t think he’s done enough to push the Progressive agenda. This tells me that he’s likely to move farther left to try to hold on to his base. However, I do expect them to use conservative language when trying to sell their programs to fool as many independents as possible. In the end, I think this strategy will probably fail because once he’s lost the confidence of the American people, which he is well on his way to doing, he’ll have a very difficult time regaining their trust. So, I think it’s very likely (>50% probability) Obama will be a one term President. You just can’t govern this country from that far left for very long………

  • NANCYRUSSELL

    IF AMERICANS HAD TAKEN THE CONSTITUTION SERIOUSLY IN 2008 AND DEMANDED AKA TO PROVE HE WAS NOT A FOREIGN NATIONAL ALL THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVERTED BUT MAYBE HE IN THE END WILL DO US A FAVOR BY FINALLY WAKING US UP, LEARN ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND WHAT PRECEDING GENERATIONS HAVE DONE TO PRESERVE OUR FREEDOM AND TAKE BACK OUR PRECIOUS COUNTRY. TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DEMAND WHY HE HAS SPENT 2 MILLION DOLLARS IN KEEPING ALL HIS RECORDS HIDDEN. HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO APATHETIC?

    • Lewis Munn

      Nancy,

      Why do you not start a fund for the disaffected to contribute a couple dollars each to and buy all these documents back into the Public Domain, where they should be?

      Lawyers can be re-bought!

  • Brian N Smith

    don`t worry about OBAMA AND HIS CURRENT PROBLEMS, in next 2 or 3 years or so, THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA WILL BE JOINING THE NEW GLOBAL UNION(EU)UNDER OUR NEW MESSIAH THE ANTI-CHRIST JAVIER SOLANA AND THE MARK OF THE BEAST(666)!

  • http://jtberger@accesscomm.ca joe berger

    “Awareness of ignorance is the beginning of wisdom”..Socrates

    It is beyond me how people can debate this issue
    There are only 2 possibilities…spend money as Obama is doing..or have a depression similar to the early 1930′s
    You should have noticed that Bush started the bail out business..because there is NO OHTER WAY of avoiding a huge depression.
    Its all so incredibly simple…you need ‘abc’ amount of money to move ‘abc’ amount of goods and services. the 2008 collapse reduced the amount of money available. The existing goods and services can only be moved by increasing the money supply….to whatever level is required to maintain tradional employment levels. Amen.

    • DaveH

      If creating more money was the solution to a good economy, there would be no poor countries. Any country can create bogus money.
      You might explain to me, Joe, what has happened in Zimbabwe which is the most recent country to experience hyperinflation and is the second worst example in history of hyperinflation?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

      • JC

        Heck we wouldn’t even need jobs…paradise ;)

    • JeffH

      joe berger , you are a real “ham” berger if you believe your comment.

    • Ladybounty

      Joe you are 100 billion percent right!!
      It is beyond me how anyone who has been paying attention over the past decade cannot see this fact.

      As far as big government goes, laws and regulations are put in place to protect taxpayers. For some strange reason some of the people who have posted comments on this site would rather have banks control the economy and health insurance companies decide who does and doesn’t live. I find that mentality very ignorant and it would be ludicrous if it wasn’t so dangerous for all of us. I wish more American taxpayers would wake up to these facts and stop blaming a new president that was handed a HUGE, STEAMING PILE OF CRAP to deal with on his first day in office.

      • chipshot

        Lady,
        Yes. He took a very bad situation and turned it into a disaster.

        • JC

          Isn’t that what government does? lol ;)

    • George

      Joe,

      There are “productive” ways of putting capital into the economy, and there are “unproductive” ways. Unfortunately, Obama chose unproductive methods which will result in his stimulus program having little impact on reviving the economy in any quick and meaningful way. That’s the issue.

    • Lewis Munn

      Joe, read the history of Germany before Hitler! A couple times so you get the impact. See the people buying money to burn to keep warm!

      Then come back and tell us printing more and more money makes everything right!

  • Warrior

    IF we can just get enough people to tap into their 401′s and pay that early withdrawal penalty, we can get this budget deficit to a manageble level! Property taxes, home depreciated in value? No problem, just pay us what you paid last year with a minor kicker. Must keep the public trough full.

    • George

      I really wonder about that. With this government’s run-away spending, I doubt any amount of tax revenue will go towards paying down the debt. What we need is another Gingrich Congress determined to hold down spending, and lower tax rates to stimulate economic growth to increase tax revenue from productive endeavors.

  • Raggs

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123267

    Check out this link, and this is where your tax dollars are going!!!!

    • DaveH

      I wonder where they are getting that $24,000? Probably from us (taxpayers). Unbelievable. I still have yet to see any Liberal commenter post one of Glenn Beck’s “lies”.

      • DaveH

        This shows, by the way, how truly dangerous these deranged Liberals have become. They started their own Liberal Radio Show (Air America). So it isn’t like they didn’t have a voice. It’s just that there aren’t enough brainwashed people yet to support their Liberal crap.
        I think they jumped the gun with this election. They lost their patience and got ahead of themselves.
        Now people across the country are starting to wake from their apathetic stupors. Now that the people are awake, we need to take back control of our public schools, and better yet push hard for voucher systems so people can send their kids to the schools of their choice. We need to get government out of the business of educating our children.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, you said: “we need to take back control of our public schools, and better yet push hard for voucher systems so people can …”
          Thought I’d put the “liberal spin response” to you comment…forced violence is all you right wing rednecks know when you talk about taking back anything. Guns and violence solve nothing.
          There, I saved the liberal hacks from having to respond in kind to that one. LOL!

        • George

          Dave,

          I couldn’t agree with you more. However, you do realize that Progressives will fight you to the death to retain control over the public education system since that’s a major part of their strategy to taking over this country.

  • clydeG.

    Question: Who was the black Emperor of Rome that clawed his way to the throne just before the collapse?

    • Raggs

      Are you insinuating this again is about race?
      If so you need to get out from under that rock…..

  • http://roglor.mathison@gmail.com Roger M

    A socialist state takes control by taxation and regulation. Hitler knew that and succeeded for a while. Does Obama still not hear the people or does he hear but is so caught up in his own pride and obstinance that he will do anything for power and government control? I don’t think he is stupid but may be taking this country to economic ruin by continuing on a predetermined plan?

    • Ladybounty

      De-regulation of EVERYTHING;
      the banking industry, the housing industry, the health care industry, Wall St., and on and on and on IS what got us into all these messes to begin with!!!
      There has to be a balance between capitalism and socialism in any economy for it to thrive. It cannot be too much one way or the other. Poor, uninsured people get sick. Who do you think inevitably pays for their care?
      Anyone against having any kind of socialism wants to take away grandma’s social security and medicare which Americans work for their entire life! We all get old and we all need these programs.

      How can you see what de-regulation has done to America and NOT SEE ALL OF THIS?

      • DaveH

        Get real Lady. How can you believe that when Government is bigger than ever before? Start reading something other than the Liberal pablum that you’ve been spoon-fed with:
        http://reason.org/news/printer/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

        • JC

          Must be one of those nut jobs that actually believes governments are benevolent. They’re not, and neither are their corporate dance partners.

      • Raggs

        lady..

        Socialism is the whole problem in a nut shell.
        Taking from one class to give to the others is pure stupidity!

      • JC

        And you don’t think Obama’s inflationary insanity is destroying Grandma’s savings? Good Lord! wake up and see the basics.
        You’re advocating a system of theft….”for our own good”?

      • Lewis Munn

        I was forced to pay into SS…and now Obama is taking it away by taxation and fees and forcing socialized medicine on us whether we want it or not.

        I could have done far better on my own, I believe…but quite a shock for the 10′s of thousands I was forced to pay in, only to see it go “poof” under Obama and the taxation and unionized doctors, etc.

        Doesn’t seem quite right to tax me on a tax I was forced to pay!

        Isn’t there a law about double jeopardy we can call on??

  • Phyllis

    I have to admit that I’m happy to an extent that he is failing, and this is not because I want to see him do badly. I want the things that he is trying to do that will hurt and ultimately destroy this country to fail. He has already spent us into almost oblivion and has financially endeared us to the worst type of governments. If I had wanted to live in a communist country, I would have moved to one. If I has wanted to live in a socialist country, etc. etc. This is probably the most damaging government that I’ve ever seen.

    • Ladybounty

      Your mentality is frightening. IF he fails..WE FAIL. Don’t you get that? What did Bush do to prevent any of this….NOTHING!
      I’m a life long Republican and I do not blame Obama for any of this.
      BUT I do blame the GOP for the lies and panic and lack of doing ANYTHING to make SOMETHING better for us. Open your eyes and realize who caused all the messes we are into and get off your high horse of thinking that if Obama fails WE ALL WONT FAIL TOO! jeeeeeeeezzzzzzeeee

      • DaveH

        Your mentality is lacking Lady. Big Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the problem.
        Do some studying on the benefits of Free Markets before you disparage others. There are plenty of reading sources on the web such as Cato.org, Reason.org, and Mises.org where you can learn detailed information on why Free Markets Work and Government-controlled Markets don’t.
        Read this article and start your learning process:
        http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg2208.cfm

        • Ladybounty

          Dave, your mentality is WRONG…. WRONG… WRONG…… WRONG!
          De-regulation that allowed the banks and Walls St. make their own rules and laws is what got this economy into the mess we are in now and forced the bail outs. De-regulation of the insurance industry, which I worked in for 20 years is what caused the big carriers to dump sick people off their policies and basically play with peoples lives.
          De-regulation of the housing industry is what caused the mortgage collapse. It doesn’t take a scholar to figure it out. You need to pay attention to what really caused the mess we are all in so that perhaps you can stop wasting time and energy blaming those that are truly not responsible and do something, anything productive to make it better. I don’t want to call you dumb but facts are facts. Big government didn’t ruin this country…..DE-REGULATION of BIG BUSINESS by GOP governments lining their pockets with campaign money did.
          OPEN YOUR EYES!

          • American Citizen

            There were still the overseers who kept reassuring Congress that all was well despite the warnings on the internet and by the previous administration.

          • JC

            Actually Dave is Right…RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT! See, I can do that too.
            Regulation is unnecessary in a system that upholds laws of justice.
            Bounty’s solution is to put a sweeter icing on a S*it cake and all will be well. AS always the Liberal solution is MORE Government…. they’re just too myopic to see that this is the problem in the first place.

        • JeffH

          Lady has a real familiar ring to her comments, like EWO.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – I was thinking exactly the same thing – interesting.

          • JeffH

            LT-she hasn’t fooled anyone but the fools.

        • Robert

          Dave. Denisso and hopeforamerica has a new MO. It’s LADYBOUNTY. Read the replies, starts off with disagreement with liberal twist then degenerates into the vile.

        • JC

          Dave…buddy…leave it be. She’s completely hysterical! lol

      • American Citizen

        Who is this lady who can’t see that everything Obama and the Democrats are doing is exacerbating the problems? They have done nothing to fix them, only making them worse.

      • Claire

        Personally, I do not want to see any President fail nor do I want to see Congress fail. If they fail, we fail. The point of no return.

        • JC

          Never underestimate the power of human action Claire. Especially when Americans are up to bat. ;)

          • Claire

            True. I am a good fighter. Remember, I have my crowbar and mace!! And I do kickboxing!! I am ready for anything! And I still run good, but I won’t run away from a fight.

          • JC

            A crowbar and mace is good for a burglar…an AK-47 works better on a tyrant! And no, never run from a tyrant unless its to get a better line of fire. ;)

        • George

          True, but we do want them to succeed by doing the right things.

          • Claire

            Agreed. But how many of them do the right things? Not very many.

          • George

            Well, if you want to be picky……….ha.

      • Lewis Munn

        Vote Libertarian and avoid both the Demo and Repu errors. Get honest me into office not beholden to party politics and lines.

        Use your heads…if BOTH parties are equally guilty…vote for one of the third parties and get a whole new lineup in with new and better ideas!! So utterly simple!!!

  • James #2

    The Chinese and our other creditors are not buying our T-Bonds anymore. They are in the process of silently dumping them. The Federal Reserve System is buying the $ 2.2 Billion of T-Bonds everyday, in order to keep this scam going a little longer. Welcome
    to central banking and Wiemar Germany (1923), when the German Mark depreciated from four(4) to the US Dollar all the way down to
    one(1) trillion marks to the US Dollar. Andrew Jackson got it right!

    • DaveH

      Yeah, it’s funny that a Socialist country is smarter than our Liberals.

      • JeffH

        Ouch! That was a low blow. Then again, the truth will set you free.

    • James

      James #2, at last!, they can now tell us apart. I agree with you, the dollar is doomed. With china announcing she will ‘slow’ her buying of our treasury bonds, most nations will follow. This wild rally in the stock market has baffled everybody, since smart money is still on the sidelines, waiting to see what happens. I say other foreigners who hold dollars as a reserve currency are dumping them into our stock market, America is for sale.

  • Raggs

    A devised plan to induce socialism on America.

  • American Citizen

    People should have paid more attention to what Obama was saying during the campaign. Those of us who really heard him did not vote for him. “I am going to fundamentally change this country.” “Five days until we can radically change things.” What did people think he meant by that? It still boggles the mind.

    • JC

      AC I don’t know about you but I was very alarmed at the sight of 100,000 people in Chicago’s Lincoln park mindlessly chanting “yes we can yes we can yes we can”(zieg heil zeig heil)

  • LJohn

    Ever hear of the Cloward-Piven Strategy? Prez O seems to be following it to a T. Do you see those strings? Do you really think the Prez has a choice?

    • American Citizen

      He came out of the crooked Chicago machine. From whence did he get the money? As always, follow the money trail.

      • Ladybounty

        Yes and Bush came out of the Texas BIG OIL money machine so what’s the point? I challenge you to name ONE politician that doesn’t have a “money trail”!

        • American Citizen

          It all depends on the trail, eyes.

        • Claire

          LadyBounty—All politicans have money trails. There is no end to it, and there never will be an end. Here I go again–name me one politician and see for yourself the life of deceit.

        • George

          Lady,

          You’re probably right about that. The system is corrupt from bottom to top. However, I’m familiar with the oil and gas business and I’m pretty sure they were lobbying to reduce regulations and open drill sites, etc, all of which ends up benefitting the economy. On the other hand, the Chicago mafia scares me and I fear they are really up to no good. Maybe just a difference in perspective, but that’s mine.

          • Claire

            The Chicago Mafia scares me too. They are so powerful and have been for years and years. I don’t think I want to mess with them.

  • http://gdiusa.ws GDI

    Whether you are liberal or conservative, the reality is this:

    1) The national debt doubled under Bush from just over $5 trillion to almost $11 trillion.

    2) CBO estimates show the debt doubling again in less than 8 years to well over $22 trillion.

    3) Legislated, mandated social benefits like social security, medicare, medicaid, etc, over the next 30 years are approaching $100 trillion and none of that is funded with tax revenues. They are planning on going into debt to pay these mandated benefits.

    4) Annual GDP in the USA is about $15 trillion and shrinking. As such, in less than 30 years, our national debt will be well over $100 trillion.

    It will not matter if you are a liberal or conservative, a democrat or a republican, the crushing debt load will wipe out America and the idea that government can somehow save you will become a long lost memory. In short, reality is about to smack us all right between the eyes with a baseball bat.

    • JC

      You’re not suggesting that there is a pattern to all this are you?
      That perhaps every president from at least Wilson onward has brought us a little closer to world government (slavery) whether they were Dems or Repubs?

      That sounds like one of those crazy conspiracy theories to me!

      And I might believe that it was, except for all the facts, all the statistics, all the back room deals, all the selling out of our sovereignty, all the lies, all the laws of control (not justice)…and after all that benevolent management here we are on the brink of economic collapse probably followed up with martial law.

      Don’t forget to vote!

  • Ladybounty

    Yes, for this country it has indeed been a very dismal year but it could have been much worse if President Obama did not do what he has done to prevent us from going into a “real” depression.
    To compare what is going on now to the “great depression” is just dumb. Why don’t you speak to someone who survived that period in time and see for yourself. Or research what life was like then.

    Obama was handed this steaming mess from Bush. Since then GOP has done everything that they possibly can to stop Obama from “fixing” anything but STILL he has managed to get some stuff done. You can’t blame Obama…it’s not his fault that we got into this mess and it’s certainly not his fault that the GOP keeps thwarting his efforts to fix things. The GOP will be held responsible, just wait and see.
    Anyone who has been paying attention for the last decade and has half a brain knows this.
    As a long-time registered Repukican, I am ahamed and appalled at the mess my party has gotten this country into. I am also devastated and extremely annoyed that they continue to obstruct instead of doing something, ANYTHING productive to help clean up the messes they have gotten us all into. We need someone with a brain to stand up in the party and stop the crazies from making everything worse. Before the party truly goes extinct, the way of the dinosauers.

    As far as President Obama’s approval rating:
    Gallup has a new poll out today, 1-26-10, indicating that President Obama enjoys 88% job approval ratings among Democrats and 23% approval ratings among Republicans.
    Sooooo compare that to Bush’s during the entire time of his reign, before and especially after 9/11. His numbers were totally ridiculous and laughable, the whole time he was in office. When he finally left office his rating was below 25%.
    Obama’s rating might be slipping with voters, BUT as soon as he gets health care reform done it WILL soar again. Just wait and see.

    You are part of a shrinking, tiny minority and you just don’t see it yet. Perhaps the blinders you have on are a result of the last decade under Bush control? STILL many like you refuse to wake up and take responsibility for what the Repukicans did to this country and basically the world. Obama didn’t start any wars, Obama didn’t deregulate the banking industry so that his banker friends could get rich, Obama didn’t cause the crash or orchestrate the Wall St. bailout but he did at least stop them from using our money for bonuses….something Bush didn’t even do. Obama didn’t allow big business to get away with polluting our environment to the point of destroying our ozone and killing all of us slowly with polluted air, water and basically minimal protection from the sun’s dangerous UV rays.
    You REALLY need to check facts!

    • DaveH

      Your comment is filled with the typical manipulative tactics of a Liberal. Some examples:
      “To compare what is going on now to the “great depression” is just dumb.”
      “Anyone who has been paying attention for the last decade and has half a brain knows this.”
      “We need someone with a brain to stand up in the party and stop the crazies from making everything worse.”

      Hint: These tactics only work on ignorant Liberals such as yourself. You’re wasting them on us.

      And there are the typical unsupported Liberal “facts”:
      “When he finally left office his rating was below 25%.”
      Reality:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2006/02/02/CU2006020201345.html

      If you are indeed a Republican, you are the kind that they need to rid their party of.

      • JeffH

        It is EWO trying her hand at deception onc again. Such a dismal failure.

      • Ladybounty

        Dave your ignorance is showing yet once again. It’s crazies like you who have basically destroyed the Republican party and made it the “incredible shrinking party”
        I’ve probably been a registered Republican longer than you have been born but there comes a time in crisis like this when party lines have to be put aside and common sense has GOT to take over. From your comments, it is evident that in your case, there appears to be no common sense…soooooo I will not waste any more time responding to you. For all I know you could be Bush’s relative or something. Your close-minded partisanship is what is killing the Republican party. Hopefully before it is too late, someone within the party will wake up and realize WHY the party is shrinking. It certainly isn’t because of Obama…..IT IS BECAUSE OF THOSE LIKE YOU.
        You are the one that needs to just go away and let the government do what is right for the people and by the people. All I can say……is YOU WILL SEE, TIME WILL TELL..MARK MY WORDS!
        This is the last minute I will waste responding to your drivel.

        • DaveH

          Wow, the Liberal name-calling has reached new heights with Ladybounty.
          NewsFlash Lady, intelligent people don’t need to riddle their comments with personal attacks.
          You have shown yourself for what you are – a typical Liberal who must use personal attacks in lieu of facts.

        • George

          Lady,

          No one has done more to energize and unite conservatives, independents, and Republicans like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. The Republicans don’t even have a leader right now and they’re winning elections that the Dems should be walking away with hands down. Doesn’t sound to me like they’re a shrinking party, but if they are, conservatives and independents will unite against the liberals whatever the party affiliation.

      • DaveH

        As for the Ozone Depletion Hysteria:
        http://scenicroute.tripod.com/ozone.html

      • DaveH

        This is the real danger we face:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3515

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      Isn’t it amazing how “women” get the vote and “know” everything about politics (Marxism)! Hey, didn’t black people get the vote the same time? Connection? Maybe our forefathers were more intelligent than I even thought?

      • DaveH

        There is an inherent problem with the “nurturing sex”. They have the irresistable urge to attempt to control and nurture everything. The problem is that their well-intentioned nurturing results in spoiling people. And we all know what the behavior of a spoiled teenager is like. Adults can be spoiled in a similar fashion. We are seeing it now with a large portion of the population that has been spoiled by decades of Government largess with taxpayer money. You would think they would be thankful for the assistance, but you would think wrong. Instead, they are insisting that the Providers are stingy and compassionless if they don’t give their lives in bondage to the welfare class. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

        • George

          Dave,

          There’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying. On the other hand, men have their shortcomings as well. They probably have more of a tendency to go to war than women do. I’m just saying that we need responsible people of both genders working together to help keep balance in our government. I know you agree with this……

      • Ladybounty

        Be careful Victor…..your severe ignorance and your prejudice are showing. The founding fathers would not have allowed Bush to trample the United States Constitution like he did nor would they have allowed him to get away with lying to drag this country into BOGUS wars that have killed hundreds of thousand of human beings…..iregardless of who they are or where they came from. Those lives…..those deaths are on the heads of each and everyone of you who sides with the craziness that has taken over the Republican party. Those of you who appear to be so religious….remember that YOU shall be held accountable when the time comes for you to meet your maker and you can read that in the bible that you are always trying to shove down everyone else’s throats.

        • American Citizen

          Talk about revisionist history and bias. Your post is full of it.

          • JC

            AC Anyone who doesn’t live on LB’s planet is ignorant. Must be, she starts evetry hysterical diatribe by labeling someone else as inferior. I’ll bet she even has a signed “Hillary” fridge magnet. ;)

        • George

          You don’t sound like a Republican to me. I’d say you might just be a conservative that’s tired of getting the run around from both parties, except you haven’t criticized Obama once since I’ve been reading your posts……Can you see why I suspect you’re really a closet liberal?

        • chipshot

          Lady:

          Your definition of “ignorance” is anyone who does not agree with your warped vision of the world.

          Why is it that the truly ignorant liberals keep hammering on bush? He was a terrible president and certainly not a conservative. So, get over it.

          It seems liberals cannot defend the socialist policies of islamobama and the current congress without attempting to compare him/them to someone else. Like you are attempting to show that islamobama’s mistakes are all because bush left him with such a bad hand to play.

          In one of your other posts: quote “For some strange reason some of the people who have posted comments on this site would rather have banks control the economy…” unquote about who controls the economy. I’m curious, do you know where the spending authorizations originate? And do you know what the “federal reserve” is? Do you think bush invented these too?

          I find it hard to believe you “have been a registered republican longer” and so on about longer than someone has been alive. You may call yourself a republican but I think the proper term would be RINO.
          The reason the repubs are losing ground is that they lost their conservative base and became they back big spending, big government programs. The problem with the repubs is that there is no difference between them and the socialist now in charge of the dems. Talk about extremist.

          It really boils down to how you look at the Constitution. Do you support it based on the original intent of our founding fathers? I think it is safe to guess, based on your previous posts, your (honest) answer would have to be: NO.

          But I am sure the founding fathers would also fall into the “ignorant” category based on your definitions.

          I am amazed that you have lived as long as you would lead us to believe without gaining some concept of what in reality makes the world tick. Ignorant? I am not sure that adjective adequately covers a description of you.

      • Claire

        Victor–Don’t tread on me.

        • JC

          I’m with you Claire, except that I’m a white middle aged male. But it still offends me.

          • Claire

            Yeah!!! Women rule!!! Just joking. We are all in this mess together! Now to get it figured out!

          • JC

            Believe me…my wife makes a few rules! lol But we make our decisions together.

      • George

        Victor,

        Without trying to be politically correct, I think we just want responsible citizens voting regardless of their race or gender. Correct?

        • Lewis Munn

          You know, there is still a very old lady who lived in Germany through Early Hitler times. All of you ought to listen to her real life experiences with the German failure and early Hitler. Barb Uhler…all of you need to look her up and listen to her real life experiences with the issues you have hashing over…and over…

          There is another lady online who came through Hitler taking over Austria, and the sweet lies he told and told and broke and broke…sound like anybody I see in the government?

          When we disregard what people who were there have to tell us, it is at our own risk…and those who refuse to learn from History are condemned to repeat it!

          Please do not bring another Hitler down on my children!!

    • SUMMERAIN

      Ladybounty, You have no clue about politics. You have it all wrong! Perhaps you should start with the Clintons who started to mess things up. Bush didn’t do so a great job in fact he messed up more. Obama is a socialist, face it! He is out to destroy this country along with his underlings!

    • Military Couple

      Lady you are nuts. You have no facts to back up anything you say and seem to refuse to open your eyes to the facts. Don’t know why I am bothering because people like you don’t care for facts that don’t fit your view. No one party (or person) made this mess we are in & I /

      • Military Couple

        Oops, hit a bump in the road & msg go sent before I finished it. As I was saying – not one party (or one man) made the mess we are in, so get off it!!!!! You are doing yourself (and your sex) no good by name-calling and acting liking an emotional idot. As a woman (one retired from the US military) (and I do take offense to some of the anti-female comments grouping all of us together) I am solidly ashamed of your lack of knowledge on what you are talking about. You are free to have your opinion (at least right now – who can say about the future), but please stop embarrasing yourself and woman-kind with emotional tantrums. My suggestion Read more and spew less.

        • Claire

          Military Couple—I agree with you-this mess was not created by one person. In fact it was created by quite a few politicians over a few decades. Democrats and Republicans alike had the opportunity to do right by America and all Americans. And I do not mean welfare. They all had their chance and they screwed up. All they can think about is themselves and getting elected and re-elected. That was and still is their main goal. In reality, one party is no different from the other. And both parties are so consumed with hatred for each other that they can’t think straight. Whatever happened to common sense, morals, ethics, honesty, and truthfulness? It fell by the wayside a long time ago.

      • JC

        Don’t let her get to you, she’s only visiting…she’ll probably follow the annointed one back to Africa once he’s deposed.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Please you make me want to Barf. It is because of people like you that we are in such a mess as we were in the days of the peanut picker. The country would have been better off with is brother!!!! Before you start spouting off, get your facts straight.!!!!!! It was Newt Gingrich when he was speaker of the house that got Clinton to finally after 5 times get the budget correct. He was too busy playing with the staff and had he been present when it was told to him where Ben Ladin was and that we could capture him, we wouldn’t have had 9/11 or all the wars we are embroiled in now but Clinton was off and didnt want to be bothered. Had Clinton been a Republican with all the scandals that went on during his presidency, the impeachment would have stuck way before a second term.!!!!!

  • Lord Enki

    All is as it should be the power structure is doing a great job of imploding. The repuks and the deomodoggles are living proof their time is coming and real soon. I’ll be the first to stand at the docks to wave them a fond farewell. And in view of the article there are a lot of similarities. History repeating it’s self. Bye Bye power elite.

    • Gary Cody

      Lord,
      And what do you see replacing the present power structure? If you think the politicians in the house and senate are the real power base, I have to disagree. The real power base is the large, international banking conglomerates, including our fed. The politicians are just pawns, doing what they are paid (and told) to do.

      To defeat the power structure, we need to rid ourselves of the fed and get back to a gold backed currency. That solves both the financial power problem, and limits the political power since they cannot print fiat money to pay for the welfare programs designed to get them re-elected.

      That and impose term limits on the house and senate, plus the supreme court (one 6 year term).

      • Military Couple

        YEAH!!!! I agree. Everybody is either buying or selling votes. Dems buying votes from the people who want free money. Congress, the President, Vice-President, etc are all selling votes (i.e. compaign contributions) to Labor Unions, Banks, and Lobbist of all kinds to get into and keep power. I haven’t actually studied much about lobbist, but I wonder if things would be better without them all (or even if it is possible to do away with them). It seems like every big organization wants a bigger and bigger piece of the power pie & it becomes an system of incest. It is no longer about individual rights or individual freedoms. We can all talk & whine all we want to, but is there anyone or group out there that has a real recommendation/plan for “fixing” the system? Everyone seems to have their own agenda.

  • Lord Enki

    The next thing after the fall of this country is the world needs to rid it’s self of the Rothschild Banking system.

    • JC

      ZACTLY!

  • Lord Enki

    Let keep race out of this the White boys who have been running the country as of late don’t exactly have a perfect record.

  • http://none John Detwiler

    If there ever was a parallel in history this is it. Wake up people. How could anyone with even a modicum of intelligence support Obama and his cohorts in the Senate and Congress? They have already dragged us the economy so far down that we may never recover.

    • Ladybounty

      John how can anyone, from any political party with even a modicum of intelligence not see who REALLY got us into all the messes that Obama is dealing with now??

      • JeffH

        Do you by any chance hate Bush?

        • DaveH

          I am so tired of these Bush bashers. Bush is history. Get over it Liberals!
          One thing is for certain; no matter how much Obama destroys our economy they will never admit fault. They live in a world of make-believe Hopes and Dreams, and as long as Obama dangles that carrot they will blindly forge ahead.

          • Claire

            DaveH–The Democrats bash the Republicans and the Republicans bash the Democrats. That is the name of the game. It has been like this for decades. It will always be the same old blame game. As I have said before if we had a Republican president the Republicans would be doing the Happy Dance. They did the Happy Dance when Brown was elected. When a Democrat gets elected the Democrats will do the Happy Dance. Round and round we go, where it stops, nobody knows.

          • Claire

            DaveH–By the way, I voted for both Bushes. I cannot believe people just can’t see (or don’t want to see) that both parties screwed us over. I am not “tied” to either party. Again, I will vote for the person I think will do the best job. And it is a fact that none of us know what the person will do when elected.

      • American Citizen

        LadyBounty, look at who’s making everything worse instead of fixing anything?

    • Gary Cody

      John,
      The fact is islamobama is a crisis creator, and he is attempting to create an economic crisis of gigantic proportions. His goal is to bring the US down to 3rd world status and everything he does is to move toward that end.

      Look for him to create a crisis that he will use as an excuse to declare martial law. This guy is an anti-American, marxist loving, capitalist hating, out-and-out tyrant.

  • Derek

    To anyone who thinks Obama is doing a good I have 2 words. Economic illiteracy. The amount he has lent spent or guaranteed (without anything to show for it, U.S. unemplymnet rate is sig. highter than Canada’s for the first time in a generation) will assure indebtedness and hoigh taxes for years to come. C’mon the man is liberal, the very essence of class envy driven stupidity when it comes to all things econmic.

  • Derek

    To: Ladybounty,

    I didn’t think it was possible to be more wrong on more things in such a few short sentences than you are.

  • Tweety

    It is an outrage to compare Mr. Obama with one of the worst tyrants that ever lived! Mr. Obama is the elected president working within a democracy for the improvement of the lives of all Americans. The real butcher in U.S. history is George W. Bush for his pre-emptive attack on Arab lands which have killed hundreds of thousands of innnocent Muslims. Rome burned and Nero fiddled. Iraq burned and Bush cheered!

    • JeffH

      yada yada yada!

    • American Citizen

      Uh, I believe it was Sadaam and the terrorists who have killed hundreds of thousands.

    • DaveH

      Uh, guess what? We’re still there. And Obama promised to get us out. But I guess killing of innocent civilians is Okay if he is one of your own.
      Of course it’s okay. History is replete with Socialist Purges.

    • MW

      Tweety: What about Democrat LBJ & Vietnam? 58,000 Americans & over a million Vietnamese killed from 1964 to 1975. This war was based on a lie, the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August, 1964. I give free American history lessons, too! Oh by the way, we’re still paying for this fiasco, too.

    • JC

      Actually Tweety, it’s an outrage to compare “Mr.” Obama to an American President. The guys a communist through and through.

  • eddie47d

    John Meyers was trying to make a point about the fall of the Roman Empire and their excesses. How can America avoid these problems. Someone mentioned communism and I admire Ronald Reagan for standing against the Soviet Union.There’s much more that most ant-communists seem to ignore. Russia like any “ambitious” nation tried to expand it’s power all over the world. They didn’t necessarally fail because they were communists but because they over built the arms race. They spread into too many countries built too many missles,and built too many weapons of all kinds. The Russian people suffered with massive funding of their expansionism. They could’t afford this gamble and almost lost it all. We have faced this same dilema but our economy was stronger. Let’t not fall into the same trap as the Romans or Russians did. Our huge debt is our albatross.

  • Gary Cody

    Tweety,
    At least George Bush was an American, and didn’t, like islamobama, hate America. I can’t think of any tyrant who ever lived that is worse than the moronic nut case we have as a president.

  • BOOTumALL

    I will lay part of the blame to Bush’s feet. He did have the VETO pen. He was as much of a progessive (well maybe not as much) fiscally as the current aministration. We need to get rid of ALL the politicians currently in office.

    • Gary Cody

      BOO,
      You are correct. I don’t believe any true conservative who believes in capitalism, the free market, and our Constitutional Government, could defend George Bush’s economic policies.
      And we should get rid of all the politicians. With TERM LIMITS. One term and out. For everyone, including a term limit on the Supreme Court Justices (One 6 year term?).

      • DaveH

        The problem with Term Limits is that we would be creating Lame Duck legislators who would have no incentive to do things right.
        Imagine for instance that the Democrats knew for a fact that they were all out in November. They would pass every Liberal Bill they could get their hands on. It would take decades to reverse the damage.

        • chipshot

          Dave,
          On the other hand, these “lame duck legislators” would have to go home to the community they represented and face the people on a daily basis. My take is that most newly elected politicians are honest, law abiding citizens who want to do the best for the people they represent. It is only after they are beaten down and stomped on by the “d.c. system” that they are corrupted and fall into line for the “party”. Look at the 2000 page Health Care bill that probably not one representative or senator actually read. But they passed it anyway because of the threat from the d.c. power structure.

    • PatM

      You’re right. Congress is supposed to work for the people, not the president, eh? I think we should vote everyone out until they figure out who they work for. It will take more than one election. So, we’ll have to do it over and over again – until they get it.

  • Ladybounty

    The close-minded, self-serving ignorance and rudeness that I see exhibited in some of these comments would be highly laughable if it wasn’t for the fact that those of us who ARE NOT LIKE YOU nor COULD EVER HAVE YOUR MENTALITY have to STILL deal with you here in this country.
    The disrespectfulness and attack on common sense is astounding but typical for extremists in any party. Attacking someone for stating the TRUTH just shows ignorance. Not taking responsibility and being belligerant is also typical traits for mentally challenged individuals who cannot for the life of them understand the TRUTH.
    Hopefully some of what I’ve written here gets through to at least one of the “crazies” before you have totally blown our country and the Republican party right into oblivion. It’s time for all Americans to take a good, hard look at what’s left on the Republican side: extremists, crazies, screamers, attackers, liars, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh (YUCK) and realize the doom that lingers just around the corner. Goodbye and Good day!

    • BOOTumALL

      Ladybounty, when you say the Truth I wonder who you are talking about. Certainly not Obama. That guy has said one truth since he opened his mouth. That’s how yu can tell he’s lying,..his lips start to move!

    • DaveH

      Wow Lady, you have reached new heights of Liberal name-calling, ridicule, and unsupported facts. I think you would make Denniso blush. I think I’m going to have to buy a snake-bite kit to defend myself from you.

      • http://aol Don

        DaveH, you are afraid she might catch up with you. I’m confident you will always be the hate king.

    • DaveH

      As I have said before many times, I welcome Liberal comments on this board so that the fence-straddlers can see what Liberals are all about. I have for decades been trying to convince my apathetic friends that the Liberals are not the peace-loving intelligent people they claim to be. Now you all can see for yourselves what they are like.

      • JC

        I know! It’s GREAT! They come out and identify themselves as completely insane and provide a tremendous sound board for everyone else. Go Liberal nut jobs GO…keep feeding the fire! lol :)

      • George

        I’m still trying to figure out why they choose to spend so much time on this conservative board arguing with us. Do you think they are “seminar” posters as Rush might call them when they call in to his show claiming to be long time Republicans? Are they getting paid by Soros or ACORN to do this? I wonder……

    • coal miner

      lady,

      You absolutely right.These morons are rude and condesending.Ask Jeffh,Joeh,Gary and Jana if they would give up their govenmental benefits.You would hear those howls all the way to washington D.C Don,t pay any attention to them.They are nothing, but blowhards.I got something they can b****w on. That the real deal they can’t pass up. Buy American!Stop blowing about Obama.

      • JeffH

        I worked 40 years to pay for my benefiets. I wasn’t forced to take them, I chose it. A huge differance from what this marxist president has planned for us.

      • JeffH

        Look hard and long in the mirror cm.

      • gary cody

        QUOTE from Coal Minor:
        You absolutely right.These morons are rude and condesending.Ask Jeffh,Joeh,Gary and Jana if they would give up their govenmental benefits.You would hear those howls all the way to washington D.C Don,t pay any attention to them.They are nothing, but blowhards.I got something they can b****w on. That the real deal they can’t pass up. Buy American!Stop blowing about Obama. UNQUOTE

        Coal minor,
        Since you mention me in your post I feel compelled to respond, though I realize your obvious intellectual limitations restrict your ability to communicate effectively.
        But, re: your comment about “giving up their governmental benefits” I can tell you, from my perspective, if I could be assured the feds would get out of the social security business and allow people to develop their own savings plan, I would gladly sacrifice everything that they have collected from my employer and me over the 30 plus years that I have been working.

        So the “howls” that they would hear from me in d.c. would be: Get out of my business and stay out of my business.

        I’m sure that socialist governments thrive on people with your mentality, who obviously need help, and who could not make it on their own. That is how they develop their economic slaves and ensure reelection.

        However, I am sure even the mentally retarded socialist recognize there is a significant difference between the likes of you and someone who does not need government help to succeed. In fact, from my perspective, government role is to assure the rule of law is enforced. Nothing more. Like ted turner said: lead, follow, or get out of the way. You obviously do not fall into the first category.

    • JeffH

      I guess you have just described the “moral majority” in this great country. Does that make you a traitor? No, that just reiterates the fact that you are nothing more than the liberal hack ewo.

    • chipshot

      lady,
      the truth is that if you were halfway as smart as you seem to believe you are, you would keep your mouth shut. Everytime you post you redefine the definition of “ignorance”.

  • Marion Freuthal

    Sometimes I think that I am having a bad dream. I can’t believe this president. He seems to moving even further to the left.

    Members of Congress meeting behind closed doors making decisions that affect the whole country is no way to run a democracy. Obama said thet he wanted transparency during his campaign. So where is the leadership?

    Of course Bush made many mistakes. He grew the government and got us into an unpopular war, but it is Obama’s turn now. He can no longer blame George Bush for our problems.

  • BOOTumALL

    Gary, we have term limits now. Its called elections!

    • gary cody

      Yeah, the terms are the life of the congressman and/or senator. Not a very effective “term limit”.

      The system promotes incumbents, and it is very difficult to vote them out of office. I think the figures are something like 75% win re-election.

      The system needs to be changed to promote the concept of government spelled out in the Constitution. I think term limits would do that.

  • Raggs

    Our founders knew that the mess we are in could and would happen when the government got out of control.
    The constitution is nothing more to ANY president than a stumbling block which all former and current presidents have twisted in thier favor and diminished our rigths.. obama is the worst being a socialist.
    Every president since Reagon has done nothing more than ruin this country so blaming Bush is not enough. It seems funny to blame Bush when obama is leading us to a bankrupt nation. And the sad thing is he has most people convinced he is doing good… Bullhocky! We all realize Bush ran us into the red..ok.. So obama picks up where bush left-off and further created his own set of problems.. So get over it obama is an idiot and no better than Bush…

  • Harold

    Meyers’ interpretation of President Obama’s failures has much to do with culture: social, political, and economic. There is the mythology of the Hero who rides into town and saves the community(the country) from the ravages of the villain. The reality, as Obama’s circumstances reveal, is that there is no hero if the community(the country) doesn’t rise to the occasion and help itself.

    The political culture is such that conservatives in the Republican and Democratic parties have worked hard to make sure Obama is not successful on the healthcare front, to the point where they’ve convinced even the poorest people who have no healthcare plans that a publicly funded system would be to their detriment. The reality is that it would be good even for big business which currently pours huge amounts of money into healthcare plans for its workers, money that would be better spent on reinvesting in new technology. When everybody pays some, everybody gets coverage at a reasonable price.

    The social, political, and economic culture is such that greed has been made into a virtue. Conservatives in both parties won the battle over de-regulation in incremental steps over the past 30 years. The net effect of this achievement, however, rests with Obama and the crisis that broke as he came into power. De-regulation and its twin brother, off-shoring, created the illusion of the wonders of the invisible hand of the marketplace in generating wealth, all the while masking the structural costs they create. China has been the huge benefactor, and now the US has to go cap in hand to borrow money from the Chinese to keep afloat. Name one imperial power in history that long held that power after it gutted its own economic engine.

    The culture of the industrial military complex that Eisenhower warned of was an important force in starting wars on two fronts. Any one who had even a minimal understanding of the history of Iraq understood that this would be a quagmire. The history of the Soviet Union’s experience in Afghanistan should have been a warning. Many corporations have benefited, but the taxpayer is underwriting the enterprises. Obama inherited this mess, and there is no easy way to extricate from it. There is too much vested interest in it, not the least of which is the fortunes of the Republicans and the Democrats.

    Obama probably stands to make the greatest achievement on the environmental front. Here he at least has reasonable societal support as people see first hand the effects of climate change and want to do the right thing. Obama can use this to move the vested interests of the political and economic cultures to see the benefits that moving on the environment presents both in the short and long terms.

    Meyers’ focus on inflation as the source of the Roman Empire’s fall or that of the US is a focus on a symptom of a failure in complex cultural environments. The demise of an empire lies less in specific events themselves than it does in the values and beliefs, the culture, that shape its responses.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      I guess you haven’t read the healthcare plan at all with those comments. Actually I should have called it a Taxcare plan as it is not about healthcare at all abut about taxing people out of existance!!!!! Before you comment on something, read first. That is the problem with the younger generation, THEY DON’T READ!!!! You cannot take some ones word for anything thse days, you must read and research yourself.

    • chipshot

      Harold,
      I find it difficult to take your post seriously. I assume you are attempting to defend islamobama? Good luck with that.

      The last time I chacked he had a 60-40 majority in the senate until the Mass election. And his majority in the house was significant. And I don’t count many “conservatives” on either side, certainly not a member of the socialist party (commonly called the dems).

      I am not sure whether islamobama is a marxist or a faciest, but he is definitely a collectivist. He has told us many times that he wants to basically change the US. If anyone had bothered to listen to him, he has been telling us all along that he hates America, and his plan is to eliminate the free market (if you can still call it a “free” market) and replace capitalism.

      I tend to believe he is in fact a communist based on the circle of thug friends he promotes and keeps close to him.

      His goal is to undermine the US economy, ruin the $, and make the US into a 3rd world country. Watch for him to create a crisis and to use that crisis as an excuse to declare martial law.

      One of his goals is confiscate firearms, and I see him using martial law to do just that. Or rather, to attempt to do that.

      I don’t see the American People giving in so easily.

      Islamobama, if he had his way, would bring America to its knees.

      But that may be easier said than done.

      Are you seriously saying you still believe that global warming is caused by CO2 emissions caused by man? Come on, you must be kidding.

      I think Savage is right, liberalism really is a mental disorder.

    • George

      Harold,

      Regarding Obama’s health care reform bill, the Dems killed it, not the Republicans. They did this by the way the chose to go about passing a bill. First, they excluded the Republicans from the construction of the bill. That guaranteed that no Republican would vote for it, but that’s was OK with the Dems until they found that they were having trouble getting 60 votes from the Dem Senators. Then, the Dems excluded themselves and their families from the bill, started doing back room deals to “buy” the remaining votes they needed, and did not air the debates before the American people as they had promised. This is why the American people rejected this bill. If the Dems had simply created a bipartisan commission to construct a bill that did not exclude our politicians from it, was openly debated on CSPAN, one would have gotten passed during Obama’s first term. Of course, that would have meant not getting a public option or government run health care, and that apparently was asking too much of the Progressives to accept. They’ve made their bed, now they can sleep in it…..

      Regarding our involvement in Iraq, the last time I looked, it looked like the war has been won, and now it’s up to the Iraqi people to keep the peace and to govern their affairs pretty much on their own.

      Regarding climate change, the American people want it just about as much as they want Obama’s health care reform. Look for it to go down along with the Obama administration…….

  • charlie

    The stock market is a good barometer of the economy’s health.
    look at a 5 year graph of the major stock indexes.
    2005,2006: good years
    2007: great year
    2008: started off as good. in midsummer when obama was runing the economy
    started going down.
    2009: dip was reached around april/may time frame. started to come back up a bit.
    2010. economy better that april 2009, still below 2007.

    my interpretation: Obama really scaring business who dont know how to plan with a socialist in office.
    obama has no concept of how to stimulate the economy. look at recovery.gov for your zip code and see how the stimlus money is used.

  • http://www.logoweardirect.biz/rsmith65 Russ

    Hi!!, Everybody, My Fellow Brother & Sister Americans:

    Please take a good, definite, hard look at a book an older millionair gentleman had me read, after he put up with my rancor for around 3 years, if you haven’t already donso, because it will give you some ideas about what’s happening to us and how we’re now in what some call a recession and others call a depression.
    The book is: Fiat Money Inflation In France by Andrew Dixon White who is the co-founder of Cornell University. Of coarse you can use your search engines to look anywhere you want but mt 4 copies were purchased off the WWW from The Von Mises Institute website for $10 ea. but, due to the fact that a considerable # of readers may not have even that small amount of funding, you may be able to log onto a FREE copy off the Institutes’ sit & read it off your screen. It takes awhile to obsorb its’ messages for for me every message it teaches was a lesson they should have taought me in school but not even our school teachers know this information it seems. Not to blame anyone but this is meant to provide an honest lead on the info. that is best suited to claiming our attention towards understadning how inflation can tear a nation apart from the seams.
    After reading what the author, Andrew Dixon White, explains about what happened to France during the 1789 French Revolutionary period, then it will assist us to read also our own Constitution which is the document I told my uncle Neal the other day by phone I can go to for almost free anytime I need instructions on what our Constitutional forfathers wrote for us after their shedding of their blood too. We don’t have to pay anyone to take a FREE look at what our Constitution stands for, according to our Constititonal forfathers wrote for our protection back in 1776. Please pay a particular, astute attention to what the Constitution says in Article 1; Section 10 that we are to use only gold & silver coins as money in our pockets without the use of any kind of redeemable paper money such as that which failed us under the Bretton Woods Agreement that specified that our $’s were redeemable in lawful money at the US Treasury or any Federal Reserve Bank. Bretton Woods designated the US $ as 1/35th of a troy oz. of gold in an allow 9/10ths fine.
    Had we been able to honor that paper agreement made supposedly for the whole world at Bretton Woods, we could have each gone to our Treasury or one of our Federal Reserve Banks with our $35,000 & exchanged it for 1,000 troy oz. of gold which would be worth enough right now to pay off most mortgages that would allow us to excape from the 15 – 30 yrs. payments to our bankers pluss endless concerns about interest rates etc. Having extra money would have allowed us to afford sending our children to college instead of paying our bankers to send their children to college exclusively etc. You’ve got the gist here & so take it where it needs to go for you and your loved oners.
    The Feds at all levels can’t just make gold & silver coins out of thin air and the Federal Reserve fears gold and silver coins as our money for that very reason and the use of coins only would automatically kill the “Fractional Reserve Banking System” which would kill off all our deficit spending. Brokers, politicians, retailers, manufacturers wouldn’t want us to convert our money to hard money and reduce their commissions/profits thereby would they. Could we buy oil from OPEC with silver $’s and how would we get them back, in order to recycle those silver $’s on a daily basis for our overall oil requirements? Prices would come down to the level where they began during the Great Depression when my grandfather complained to his neighbor that $35/month was too much to pay for any place. This would be terribly painful but it would permanently put all politicians worldwide on notice that our nation is a nation of unmatched moral, ethical and monetary disipline.
    Finally, Constitutional money, specie, gold & silver coin is composed of elements from Mother Earth that can be seen listed on anyone’s attomic chart; while paper money will never arrive at that kind of valuation. Thus as an economist, John Exter, once said: “There’s a gigantic war going on in this world between paper I owe you nothing paper money and gold as money but gold will win in a bigger and better way than anyone ever expected!”
    Eastman Kodak can take one troy oz. of 999.999 industrial silver and produce silver holloids from which they can manufacture 5,000 colored films or that oz. can be drawn into a refined electical conductive sire 50 miles long. What can the Obama, Geithner and Bernankie’s paper money do for “us” except produce dept for us and future generations. Somewhere in our bible it says: “Choose ye this day whom thou shalt serve & you can not serve God & mammon!!” Discuss these ideas, if you think that they are worthwhile, with your friends, family and/or co-workers, until this leven of truth permeates our nations’ consciousness towards which our nations liberties stand, one nation under God with liberty and justice for all!! It’s been my great pleasure sharing this message of great hope with each and every one of you today.
    Russ, California

  • Military Couple

    Even though we don’t all agree about who is to blame for this mess, at least we still have the right to disagree & not be jailed. Watchout for the “incident” that will allow the government to declare Martial Law and give them the ability to curtail this right (as well as others like moving, crossing state lines, confiscating personal property under the guise of terrorism control). If that happens (and unfortunately I think it might not be that far off)- we are really in a world of hurt and blame won’t fix the problem, maybe we should stop blaming and start fixing.Good Luck Everyone!!!

    • Raggs

      So you see past the haze of BS as well….
      Bravo!!! I commend you, finally someone with sence to see through the lies. We are indeed on the head of a NWO with it goes losing our rigths which will not be lost without deaths in the millions. I read these blogs juist to see most people with thier heads in the sand and following aimlessly the path of political leaders. This again is what they expect everyone to do but if you disregard the call you become a target. I’m not crazy I’m not stupid… I would not post here knowing the watchfull eye upon me is a threat. Point being I don’t care if they are a threat. To fear the government is Tyranny but that is expected from you. The fairness doctrine is a restriction on your 1st admendment and it’s only a matter of time where it is used as a “terror” or “domestic” tool to shut you up.

    • JC

      That’s a clear thought. Stockpile arms.

  • TRUE PATRIOT

    Everyone always wants to pick a side and declare it as the best! Division was factored into this equation long before everyone who is blogging here was born! Red, Blue, Right, Left these are all words that are used to not just divide the country but as a scape goat for the political realm. It is a win win for the ones in control! Let me give you all an example to make it clear: If you and your wife have 4 girls and 4 boys living at home and you and your wife decide to go away for the weekend and come home and find that the beautiful house you left is now a wreck! The Kitchen looks like something blew up in it, there is dirty laundry everywhere, the furnace is running and the windows upstairs are open as is the back door etc,etc.! You set the children down for a family meeting to find out what happened and it turns into a big session of the girls blaming the boys and the boys blaming the girls! The wife tends to side with the girls and the husband tends to side with boys but the ultimate decision by the parents is that they were all left in charge to take care of the house as a group therefore they are all responsible for what has happened so they are all punished equally! Now replace the boys and girls with Republicans and Democrats and instead of a house it is a country. See…….same scenario! Ultimately everyone who accepted the position as a voted political representative for office is collectively responsible! We as citizens are the parents who have come home to a House that is in shambles! And those we have elected and given the responsibilities to are to blame collectively and if they don’t like that maybe they should make a career change and judging from the collective score card I think that is exactly what they all should do! Pointing fingers and blaming certain factions is exactly what you are supposed to do! Quit doing exactly what you are supposed to do! For once think outside your little boxes! It’s really very simple: united we stand divided we fall! It’s time to be the parents and lay the blame exactly where it should be!

    • Claire

      And where do you place the blame? I blame both parties for this mess we are in. Time for a third party candidate to be elected.

      • Raggs

        Yeah I think alot of us are thinking the same thing. There needs to be a complete wipe-out on capitol hill.. With no doubt all of them bums that are sucking blood off of us need to fly to the moon one way only.

        • Claire

          No incumbants, only new people that will be running for office. Someone that hasn’t been to Washington DC. If the same ones get re-elected, then it will be more of the same old shenanigans.
          If we elect new people, they may not have a lot of experience, but what the hey. They sure couldn’t do any worse.

          • JC

            The Fed…don’t forget the Fed. Who do you think owns and runs the circus?

          • Claire

            Oh Yes!! The Fed. Get rid of them too. Clean house.

      • TRUE PATRIOT

        Claire, I think you should read my earlier blog one more time it says they are all to blame! Someone made a comment about the Federal Reserve that is an enetity all of itself. It has nothing to do with Government! And as we all learned watching CSPAN they are not governed by our Government! They have absolutely No oversight whatsoever! And your Senators all voted that way when they voted No for the Oversight Bill! Wake up people, they have usurped the Government totally! I can’t take you all to school right now but if you study as I have you to will learn that the Fed. is a private entity ran by men who have owned it for the last 97 years! The one partially to blame for that take over is Woodrow Wilson who was given the Presidency on the contingency that he give these men their Federal Reserve as a false financial security system. I’m teaching my children these important parts of history don’t you think you should be teaching yours? If you think the public schools are going to teach your children these important but ugly historical truths aren’t you being a little naive? Afterall isn’t a society that is ignorant to it’s history bound to repeat it? One thing is for sure a society that is ignorant to it’s history is bound to do nothing about it!

        • Claire

          My kids are grown adults. And they are doing just fine. However, I will agree with you–the teaching begins at home. When my kids were growing up, there were problems in the world, but not of the magnitude they are now.

  • eddie47d

    There was a time in America when I saw alot of love and patriotism in our land;for me it was the mid 50′s and mid60′s. There were problems but everyone seemed content. Most people earned about the same amount of money and lived in a variety of houses,but of average means. I also remember business’s payed most of the taxes in America. Now it seems like what’s left of the middle class is paying a bigger portion of taxes. Our corporations now have numerous loopholes and off shore accounts and seem to complain for more tax breaks. Nobody likes taxes,but I have always paid whats due. Now on tv you have all these tax lawyers telling you how to avoid taxes.They say even after not paying any taxes for 7 years come to them and they will get the IRS off your back. I say why are they avoiding taxes for so long? They also say if you owe (lets say) $100,000 they will get the IRS to settle for $3,000. They just make fools out of us who do pay on time.

    • George

      I’m real skeptical that these companies can do really get your tax liability reduced like they claim. The IRS can be a pretty tough bunch when they want to be.

  • PatM

    Right Claire. I live in DC. It’s a snake-pit!

  • Claire

    I have to vote for a governor for Illinois next Tuesday. I am in agony. There is so much mudslinging going on. I do think a Republican will be elected. However, it appears the Republicans (and Democrats) have some skeletons. Nothing new for Illinois. I should have run for governor. I have no skeletons. Geez, I must live a boring life.

    • jim

      Hi Claire, You mean if you were Governor, when you were done serving your term, you wouldn’t have to serve your time? You wouldn’t live in the retired Illinois Governor’s mansion in the gated community? If Quinn gets voted out soon enough he may not have to serve the time. I think that would be his only chance.

      • Claire

        Egad! No, I would not serve “time” afterwards and I sure as heck would not live in the “gated community.” I would be an honest governor, but then again, an honest person would not be elected here. Quinn will be booted out. He is a has-been that never was. A Republican will be elected. You know, it is really pathetic about the governors and politicians in Illinois. But it has been this way for decades. And I doubt if it changes.

  • Charliemoe

    The late Ted Kennedy called him right “Osamabama”, but prior to WWII adolf Hitler said it best,” Tell the people over and over ” I will bring change( not what change)and they will eventually believe it” and the dums did! Now we have change. Do we like it? That depends(like the diaper)on who you ask. I have never posted before but your comments are too good to let go. I had to join in. I’m sorry that our elected talking bobble heads don’t read the posts. They might get educated and start to TAKE BACK AMERICA-FOR THE PEOPLE!

  • Rennie

    OK where do I sign up to be a democrap troll and get paid to blog propaganda? It obviously doesn’t require any thought, facts or historical knowledge. It’s was all George W. Bush’s fault. That’s why the democrats protected Fanie Mae and Freddie Mac, kept interest rates low so everyone would borrow, both dems and reps forced money on banks they didn’t want to take or loan, and forced them to make bad loans. Now, the democrats, in control of the White House and Capitol Hill, put the guys who were in charge of the Wall Street meltdown into power, like Geithner, or reappoint, like Bernanke, and keep saying “it’s all Bush’s fault”, then give banks more money and demand they extend credit, and pretend the result THIS TIME will magically be better? NOT WITHOUT JOBS TO BE ABLE TO TAX THE INCOMES, NOT WITHOUT RESTORING AMERICAN GDP. November 2 will be a happy day, we get even. There’ll be some new faces on the unemployment line.

  • David Hall

    Progressive Socialist Idealogy is what Obama and his thugs are all
    about. They could care less about Health-Care, Cap & Tax, Banks, Jobs,
    War, Terrorists, Automotive Industry, Crime, Education or Out-of-Control spending. Their eyes and souls are focused on the ultimate
    prize, called GOVERNMENT CONTROL, and they will plunder and sacrifice
    ALL THE ABOVE, to accomplish it. Folks, better wake-up and realize, who HE is and WHAT HE STANDS FOR and it sure as hell ain’t the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES and FREEDOM.

  • http://www.pcelementz.com Bruce Allen

    With all your pages and pages of complaining about obama, I haven’t heard one of you come up with a solution to the problem. What do you guys think we should do then? Silver/Gold backed currency? Then how would you keep a limited silver supply in proportion to the growing population?

    Rome wasn’t destroyed by inflation and Obama isn’t cutting off anyone’s testicals.
    King alaric of the goths had an agreement with the roman emperor at the time which the emperor did not honor. While the majority of the Roman army was out raping and pillaging, the goths came in and destroyed most of rome for the emperors betrayal. That is why rome fell, not inflation.

    You guys love to make up history to convince others of a political point. There’s some real good ideas in your party, I just wish your party would stop pouting and contribute. The republican senators last night looked like morticians while barack gave a very good speech.

    • David Hall

      Bruce Allen, it’s simple, Obama should do the exact opposite of what
      he’s doing, NO-BRAINER, STOP THE SPENDING, CUT EVERY TAX HE CAN CUT,
      KEEP THE HELL OUT OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR (ALL OF THEM), STOP THE BACK-ROOM DEALS, STOP PAYING OFF THE UNIONS, TRY THE DAMN TERRORIST IN
      MILITARY COURTS, (NOT CIVILIAN COURTS) that costs tax-payers, 100′s of
      millions. Obama also should try telling the truth, and STOP THE LYING,
      not all AMERICANS have tingly feelings running up and down their legs,
      and get teary eyed, just because he opens his damn mouth. And for those who can COUNT, the Republicans have had NO POWER TO STOP anything he has done and is trying to do. I’m so thankful, folks in
      Mass. woke-up! One thang for sure, if Obama don’t make a 360 degrees
      turn-around, he’s OUT in 2012 and the dems are OUT in 2010. But his
      policies will collapse our dollar and economy, before he is OUT!

      • David Hall

        OOPS! I almost forgot, for those investing in gold and silver, may be
        good idea while the dollar is tanking. After Obama spending TANKS IT,
        he will then confiscate, ALL GOLD AND SILVER. You’ll be way ahead of the game with a milk-cow, garden spot, and lots of ammo!

        • chipshot

          David,
          He will try to confiscate gold and silver, just like he will try to confiscate firearms. He may not find it so easy to do either.

          • David Hall

            Chipshot, Ha! Ha! I agree. Might be better for to try to get the guns,
            first and then go after the GOLD.

  • TRUE PATRIOT

    Good Speech?

  • TRUE PATRIOT

    Are You Kidding a Good Speech never solved any problems! Did you see what the Stock Market did after the good Speech? Everything tanked except oil!!!! He should have told the American people that the money problems were so bad that we will still be writing checks tomorrow that we can’t legitimately cash! And that everyone should grow up and buckle up because we’re all in for one hell of a bumpy ride! At least he would have been telling the truth! If you really want to hear a good speech listen to JFK’s Secret Society speech on You Tube, it will blow you away! But, I guess it wasn’t the most healthy thing to do either! Maybe I do understand why Obama went with the Fluff and Stuff Speech.

  • SiliconDoc

    This giant inflow of digital fiat dollars is exactly what the retarded leftists are all about, the shovel ready jobs are here, shovel a bunch of BS over the tube, shovel some more attacks BS at the other party, then shovel in the crap digidollars into the bloated hole market.
    Shovel ready, and boy are they ever shoveling the whole place down the tubes.

  • Doc Sarvis

    President Obama has done very well considering what he has inherited. He has made good progress on Iraq and the economy. On both of those issues, he has made the best of a rotten (or worse) situation that was handed to him. On health care he could have helped move things along on a better track but I think that conservatives showed too much loyalty to the big money interests as they so often do. It is a shame that we could have really made things much better in this country and it was obstructed by the big money interests.

    • David Hall

      Hey Doc, I know you can’t and want answer this question. How could
      any Conservative or Republican, STOP anything the Dems tried to pass,
      they had a majority in the House and Senate. The Republicans were
      powerless to STOP anything they wanted to PASS. As far as BIG MONEY
      INTEREST, what in the hell, do you think Obama is doing? Paying
      back the Unions, Back-room deals, taking control of the big banks,
      housing market, schools, colleges, water-ways, stock-market, you
      name it, BIG GOVERNMENT has got it’s GREEDY LITTLE PROGRESSIVE SOCIALISTS HANDS IN IT. And you write about conservatives showed too much loyallty to the big money interest. Doc, your damn joke.

      • David Hall

        And by the way Obama, campaigned on ending both wars and first he would close down Gitmo. What’s his excuse? Republicans can’t stop him.
        Man, I hope you ain’t a real doctor, I wouldn’t let you check my an
        in-grown toe-nail.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Very nice. Now I see how the fear mongering of the big money conservatives is working on a few of you out there.

        • David Hall

          Doc! Yeah your right, I’m one of those POOR conservatives that is so
          FEARFUL, I’m going to swallow my last bullet. With all the kidding aside, it really doesn’t matter WHAT THEY DO, the party is over. Both,
          so-called big money Republicans and little money Democrats, have sold
          our A** OUT! to Communist China. They owe us. China is calling the behind the scenes shots on alot of our affairs. Call it, (I’m scared)(I’m fearful), (I’m fear mongering), what ever in the hell, you and
          your kind, want to call it, but’s the damn facts are the FACTS! We
          will NEVER get the deficeit under control and NEVER pay China back.
          Obama, is spending money like a damn insane mad man. That’s another,
          FACT! Any idiot can see that, including myself. Obama, is not the only one with economic blood on his hand, many before him and THEY ALL SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, BOTH DEMS AND REPUBLICANS. But, Obama
          is the icing on the cake. He beats em all. I know, I know, it’s all
          Bush’s fault! Give us a damn break!

  • http://na chuck

    Speaking as a independent,american veteran I wish to say that very
    many of you are correct but only one whom I read made the best point
    in my opinion was chipshot. The American people have to set strict
    term limits. But even then they must remain alert and aware. I admit
    when I came back from nam,I was an uninformed dummy,naive and stupid.
    But within ten years of research and digging I awoke to how are system
    had become screwed. The people themselves had let the snake charmers
    and charletons take over. So be it those who want freedom and rights
    must no longer stand idly by. Look to the founding fathers and be ready to sacrifice because what is coming will not be easy.

  • http://charter howe

    Claire, there are lots of folks that do not understand what is really going on in this country, so I don’t know how to tell you but George is right. Pelosi and the Democrats have been in the majority since 2006 and in 2008 did not even need a republican to vote for anything because they have had the major majority in both the House and the Senate. The Cap and Trade, the Health Care Reform and soon coming to your neighborhood, Amnesty bill are all big big deficit bills that will bankrupt our nation, but have incessantly been pushed and prodded to be passed by the Democrats with the liberals in the Drivers seat and Obama cracking the whip. Bush did a lousy job in his last four years, but his Presidency kept us safe from another 911. Bush pushed the first stimulus which did nothing, but Obama pushed the 2nd one which still did nothing to create jobs. The pork continued and the economy has remained bad. Obama is a continuation of Bush policy except on steroids. We are heading toward socialism and you are whining about who to blame. We know we still have problems in this country so what we have to do is write to our do nothing Congress on both sides of the aisle and vote for those that don’t listen. Mitch McConnel is an honest Republican probably as honest as Dem Evan Bahy, so what good does it do to denigrate Mitch McConnel when he hasn’t even been included in the backdoor meetings the dems been having to create a health care reform bill. My point is you like so many people have such a distorted opinion about what is really going on, your closing your eyes while this Whitehouse and this Congress full of democratic liberals are destroying our country and when we sit around pointing fingers the day comes even faster. If you are a liberal nutjob there is no help for you, but if you lay any claim to being a patriotic person then please be part of the solution. I spent 29 years in the military and swore to defend and protect the constitution and until the day I meet my maker I will continue to do exactly that despite the bleeding hearts and mislead liberals that talk the same trash as you and many others do. Just remember, sometimes things are not what they seem, and remember as a country we are BROKE, we don’t have the money to spend for anything not to mention these huge billls that will require significant additional big government to administer. Its costing us over ten million dollars just to pay salaries in the whitehouse for almost 40 CZARS etc which is an unheard number of staff people. Check it out for yourself. Were talking about many billions of dollars overall that are not in the private sector for health care which does not come back to benefit the GNP. If you want to continue to talk trash, please do us a favor and at least get some education on the subject unless you just like things the way they are. There are lots of people who can’t save their own life because they won’t listen to the good advice of doctors and other experts, they choose to listen to power hungry radical politicians instead. The Socialist Democrats of this nation are the only obstructionists to Obama’s radical agenda if you want to really be honest with whats happening in the real world. I hope you don’t have the same disease that racists have regarding the innability to overcome the mentality that precludes objectivity.

  • Lewis Munn

    You know, there is still a very old lady who lived in Germany through Early Hitler times. All of you ought to listen to her real life experiences with the German failure and early Hitler. Barb Uhler…all of you need to look her up and listen to her real life experiences with the issues you have hashing over…and over…

    There is another lady online who came through Hitler taking over Austria, and the sweet lies he told and told and broke and broke…sound like anybody I see in the government?

    When we disregard what people who were there have to tell us, it is at our own risk…and those who refuse to learn from History are condemned to repeat it!

    Please do not bring another Hitler down on my children!!

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