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Navy Flip-Flops On Allowing Same-Sex Marriages On Military Bases

May 12, 2011 by  

Navy flip-flops on allowing same-sex marriages on military basesA day after military officials stated that Navy chaplains will be trained to perform same-sex civil marriage ceremonies, the service branch reversed its decision.

Rear Adm. Mark Tidd, chief of Navy chaplains, announced on May 10 that the decision to perform gay marriages has been “suspended until further notice pending additional legal and policy review and interdepartmental coordination,” according to media reports.

On May 9, Navy personnel confirmed that the branch would host gay marriage ceremonies if the Defense Department follows through on its repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” According to The Associated Press, Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez said that the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines legal marriage as a union between a man and a woman, does not restrict same-sex marriages on a military base.

Before the Navy’s change of heart, officials said that gay marriage ceremonies would have been allowed at military facilities such as chapels and catering centers, but only in States that recognize same-sex unions, the news provider reported. However, gay partners would not have received the health, housing or other benefits that are granted to traditional couples.

In response to recent announcement, Representative Todd Akin (R-Mo.) has sent a letter to Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus alleging that same-sex marriages on Federal property would violate DOMA. The letter was signed by 62 other Congressmen.

“It is not the place of any citizen of this country to pick and choose which laws they are going to obey,” reads the letter. “We expect citizens sworn to defend those laws to set the example in their application.”

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  • David Armstrong

    Rear Adm. Mark Tidd need to be retired.

    • home boy

      i find it amazing that a country that was based on godly principles and triditions has gone into the gutter with all its thinking. the end of this system is near so hang on the ride is going to be rough.

    • Cawmun Cents

      What do you expect from a Rear Admiral….haw!

    • Myrna

      The joining of members of the same sex is not a marriage. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Period, end of debate.
      The navy needs to get rid of idiots who want to “perform” a bogus marriage ceremony.

      • Robert Smith

        Why do you care? Other people have different religions than you. Shouldn’t they be allowed equality?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Other religions don’t want to marry them either, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Quit lying samurai.

            Like I’ve said repeatedly, “Not all christians follow the same brutal hateful god you do.”

            Check out http://arguingequality.org/chapter8.htm: “At present, the Unitarian/Universalist Church, the United Church of Christ, the Metropolitan Community Church, Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism all recognize same-sex marriage as an intricate part of their religion.”

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Quit lying moron! They may perform such sinful and immoral acts, but it is due to them caving into political pressure and not from religious beliefs. Sorry, you lose again moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Monte Poitevint

    I am not a lawyer and so maybe wrong. But I see this as a backdoor attempt to impose queer marriage on relenting states. Yet another example of an out-of-control central state that believes it can do anything it wants, the people and states be damned.

    • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

      How about trying to force it upon various religions as well? Imagine if they ordered the chaplains to perform marriages of various faiths that had doctrines against homosexuality.

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Dan,

        The military chaplan rules are clear about being able to work outside your own core system of religion. If you can’t do that don’t join up.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          That’s called a non-denominational service and has nothing to do with gay marriage, moron. If you know the Chaplain’s rules, then you would know they can’t perform gay marriages. I don’t care what the queers and Obama bin Laden want. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Bzzzzz, wrong again samurai. If they want to they can if it is generally permitted.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again moron! Chaplains do not marry gays for being gay is a sin in the Eye’s of God. The military doesn’t do gay marriages. Care to cite a source showing they have, moron? I won’t hold my breath as I know you won’t find any. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            There goes samurai again making a general statement and lying at the same time. Here is another example.

            “Tuesday, June 14, 2005
            Details emerged on Tuesday that the Canadian military hosted the first gay military marriage in North America at an airbase in Nova Scotia in May. A sergeant and a warrant officer, who didn’t want to be identified, were married on May 3 by a United Church minister in front of about 45 guests at Greenwood airbase.”

            That’s from:
            http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Canadian_military_hosts_first_gay_military_wedding

            Sure, it was in Canada, but it is a military same sex merrage. Canada has been way ahead of America in equality on this issue.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, why do you consistantly wish to be a moron? We are talking about the U.S. Navy and not the military of Canada. You do remember the navy? You served in 1946, no wait, it was during Vietnam. Sorry, I can’t keep you lies straight in my head. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Vic

        Yeah! I’d love to see imam performing marriage ceremony on two gay moslems!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Monte: “Yet another example of an out-of-control central state that believes it can do anything it wants, the people and states be damned.”

      Then you support states that have voted on medical pot and assisted suicide. That’s great!

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        He was talking about our central government being out of control and ignoring the wishes and rights of the people, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          samurai says: “He was talking about our central government being out of control and ignoring the wishes and rights of the people,”

          Yup, and I pointed out that in the case of medical pot over a dozen states have VOTED for it and several states have ready to vote outright legalization, just like you would like samurai. The STATES decide. However, in the case of Oregon the right forced them to vote TWICE and then right wing tody Bush sent Ashcroft to try to overturn the people.

          Can’t have it both ways samurai.

          BTW, the founding fathers created the Supreme Court of the United States. Who are you to oppose them?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron, but since I am an American citizen I have the right to speak out against the SCOTUS. Are you that moronic to not know Vox Populai? The voice of the people? It is this ability that can sway the SCOTUS to rule in favor on certain topics on their desks. Abortion, no praying in schools, etc, are just some of the examples of this by lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists like you. Sorry Rob, but it seems you don’t know much about being an American. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    You know everybody:
    Although, i’m not into the queer lifestyle, people should have the right to be with whom they choose. Regardless what gender, race, nationality, etc. As long as it’s with a consenting adults, who don’t flaunt nor coerce their lifestyles unto others. We must respect everyone’s constitutional liberties. Thanks!!

    • karolyn

      Thank YOU, Tony!

      • Jimmy

        Karolyn

        Is it not so simple as turning your back and saying it is their
        business. When you allow something perversive such as homosexuality
        there are consequences. Allowing these homosexual bullies push
        their agenda on a society. Allowing a openly homosexual soldier to
        sleep, eat, shower and watch you undress is a good example of how
        homosexuality has been pushed on society. I assume as a woman
        you would feel your right to privacy and freedom from sexual
        harrassment would be violated, if you were forced to accept men
        who are sexually attracted to women to eat sleep shower and watch
        you undress. All soldiers have lost some of their rights now because
        of people like you didn’t stand up to these homosexual bullies.
        to eat sleep shower and watch you undress.

        • Antonio

          I do not feel homosexuality is persuasive neither provocative or push into the society. Heterosexuality is ALL OF THE ABOVE by ALL communities, churches, groups, TV stations, reporters, broadcasters, etc, etc, etc. Being naked in front of someone who YOU feel atractive, makes YOU fell whatever you want, but NOT to the other person who is not feeling the same for you, so being naked in front of a homosexual who YOU do not care about is like being naked in front of a female that is not atracted to you at all and you do not care if she see you or not. Everything else is only in the mind of each of us.

        • Steve

          Jimmy great post….I would add that beings how homosexuals sleeping in military barracks would be able to freely have sex with each other….It would only be fair to allow heterosexuals the same priviledge…therefore it would be necessary to have men and women all sleep in the same barracks…then everyone can have sex in the barracks with whom ever they want…I wonder how the women who think this is a good idea would feel albout that…..

          • Eddie47d

            Who says anyone should be allowed to have sex in the barracks? You’re assuming too much.

        • Robert Smith

          Riiiiiiight Jimmy, you tell ‘em!: “Allowing a openly homosexual soldier to sleep, eat, shower and watch you undress is a good example of how homosexuality has been pushed on society.”

          It’s so sad you think some of the toughest soldgers in the world, guys & girls in the United States Army, are gonna get all weak in the knees of a gay person sees their pee pee.

          LOL, do you REALLY believe that’s going to be a problem?

          Rob

          • Bernie B

            Very crazy, I don’t think that dressing in front of someone who would want to get it your pants would be at all funny. I don’t care if someone could or would be attracted to you. Play with fire long enough you will get burned! That is why men and women have been seperated this far.

          • April

            Robert
            It is really sad that folks such as yourself lack the common sense that “YEAHH, HELLO, This is already a problem!!” I agree with Bernie B’s perspective.

          • http://naver samurai

            It already is a problem, moron! So you mean that if you were in the army, Lord forbid, and someone that was gay was staring at your “wing wing”, you wouldn’t feel embarrassed, uncomfortable, etc? If not, either you enjoy people looking at you or you are gay yourself. Why do you think that when a unit finds out someone is gay they have to protect them with the MP’s? It’s because they are unnatural! And the repraisals that they get is because they aren’t normal. If you go against the norm, you will encounter resistance. Rob, you have got to be one of the biggest morons on this site! I can tell you that the friends that I have still serving have “opted out” of any kind of sensitivity training or anything dealing with gays. A griend of mine, a sergeant major, told me that he didn’t subject his troops to that f****** b****** arse training. He even wrote a letter to his BN commander saying he wouldn’t, because it goes against his moral beliefs. Many of them still say that they don’t belong in service.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qre8bfz4drA&feature=related

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Quit lying samurai: “If not, either you enjoy people looking at you or you are gay yourself.”

            I just don’t care. What part of that don’t you understand?

            Rob

          • Jana

            Ewwwwwww, Samuari,

            As Paul Harvey used to say “And NOW, the rest of the story”.
            So now we all know why Robert lives in lies and deceptions and depravity. He has come out and admitted he is gay.
            The first HONEST thing Robert has ever said.

          • Robert Smith

            Let’s all watch how Jana goes after an individual as if lying about me and dumping an insult validates their religious christian arguments.

            Never did have a ligitimate argument outside your hateful religion, did you Jana?

            Rob

          • April

            Robert Smith, You’ve never had a legitimate argument period.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but Jana didn’t mention anything abour religion in her post, now did she moron? Remember, Christian bashing is hate speech and is illegal. Get the point moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          It’s only because of our sexually repressed society that these things can be a problem. There is less sexual crime in Europe than here. There is less sexual crime in countries where there is more accepted nudity. We live in a rape culture due to the nature of our society. I am a sexual assault outreach advocate, so I know of what I speak.

          • Thamera

            Then you should know that rape is about control not sexual repression…

          • http://naver samurai

            With all the sex in the movies, on television, magazines, and the internet, there’s no way on God’s good earth can you say that our society is sexually repressed. Are you and Robert sharing the same weed? Why do you morons always try to compare us to Europe? If you like Europe so much, then go there and live. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Eddie47d

            For some those movies are a sexual release and others are embarrassed by them. Some sex scenes are as brutal as a slasher movie and other movies show loving relationships. It’s hard to tell how anybody will react to them. Porno in it’s self doesn’t cause anyone to rape but it might cause some disturbed person who can’t find a normal relationship to want what he sees in those videos.

          • trjonez

            Karolyn
            Well then,..immoral woman such as yourself should start following your advice to show off your body to anyone interested. Imagine the wonderful purity, Holiness, Godliness (and rape) that would bring to America.

          • Robert Smith

            So trjonez my conclusion is you want to see American women in burkas so they won’t get raped. Is that your christian logic?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Still Christian bashing rob, you moron? Do you see any mention of religion in his/her post? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Jimmy what you say is really hateful. I’ll make a few changes just to demonstrate:

          Is it not so simple as turning your back and saying christanity is their business. When you allow something perversive such as christanity there are consequences. Allowing these christian bullies push their agenda on a society. Allowing a openly christian soldier to
          sleep, eat, shower and watch you undress is a good example of how
          christanity has been pushed on society. I assume as a woman
          you would feel your right to privacy and freedom from sexual
          harrassment would be violated, if you were forced to accept men
          who are sexually attracted to women to eat sleep shower and watch
          you undress. You should wear a burka. All soldiers have lost some of their rights now because of people like you didn’t stand up to these christian bullies.

          Those christians want preying in our schools, they demand holidays like Christmas and Easter, and they want what they call “sin” to be illegal. They want everyone to follow their christian rules and live in fear of their god.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First, learn how to use spell check moron. Second, if our nation went by the Bible as its source for our laws (Which we bases our laws on Biblical law and the 10 Commandments.) and running of the government, this country would be a great utopia and not in the bad shape it is now. Kids do pray in school, write God Bless America on their notebooks, read Bibles in school, and many other Christian activities that you detest so much. I’m now a history teacher and I’ve seen them do it. In fact, I’ve encouraged them to keep going and told them it is their God given right of freedom of religion and speech they are exercising. I said this in January and till now, these activities have steadily increased at my school, which is a public school. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Larry

      Tony, why is someones sexual preference have to be out in the news – etc! ahead of most things? They have an agenda to be treated SPECIAL, at teh cost of all traditional Americans. Why not just leave your sexual preference at home. No they can’t do that, they have to in your face force it upon everyone. IF god would have wanted this he would have made Adam and Steve not Adam and Eve. Same sex people can’t reproduce. Your poop shoot was not made for sex pal it was made to relieve yourself. Like I said they have an adjenda to basically destroy the traditional Family values with their perversion.

      • Eddie47d

        I think Larry is the one with the agenda and his being a smartazz rather proves that.

        • Jimmy

          Actually Eddie, Larry is being smart. Embracing and promoting
          sonething as perversive as man on man sex is dangerous.
          Homosexuals are 400 times as likely to get anal cancer.
          50 times more likely to have HIV AIDS, They will die an
          earlier age. They even have their own disease, Gay Bowel Syndrome
          no doubt a result of sticking infected things in their rectums.
          Be real Eddie when you have sex with your man and end up with
          excrement all over you. Do you really believe that is normal?
          Do you want to encourage children to try it? Accept it as equal
          to a man and woman? Be real.

      • http://personalliberty.com frank

        great post larry .Did you read that Karolyn?

      • MrDave98765

        You’re right Larry, they want to impose that lifestyle on us and make us accept it. They want access to your kids and my kids for obvious reasons. America was founded on christian principles and if they want to live in a country that totally accepts the lifestyle, then they are free to move to another country. Political correctness doesn’t apply to this, Islam and Sharia law!

        • http://naver samurai

          Well said! Well said! This is a Christian nation and their ways of living is unacceptable! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://deleted Concerned American

          Am I correct in saying that traditionally in Sharia law men who sleep with men (if discovered) would be burned alive?

          • Robert Smith

            I always thought the christians cornered that market by cooking witches.

            They eat their savior raw. Wine and bread really being REAL.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, being the moron again? Quit wiht the hate speech and stick to the subject at hand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • karolyn

          Mr. Dave said “They want access to your kids and my kids for obvious reasons.”

          What “obvious” reasons? What “access?” Homosexuals are people like anybody else. They have morals, values, believe in God, etc. The stereotypical view is just that, stereotyping.

          • April

            Obvious reasons??? Are you really that clueless karolyn?? They already have you convinced of thir lie. They already have you defendeing their unnatural, unhealthy, immoral, valueless, and un-Godly way of life. It’s being pushed in the public school system to ok it and join in as we speak. Why is this so wrong??? There are many reasons. 1st of all God is against homosexuality and destroyed two cities because of it. And if that is not good enough for ya, it brings about diseases physically and mentally. What’s more, examine the mental state of someone that claims this abomination. They dislike theirself to the point of not accepting the natural beautiful girl or boy self they truly are. They are not trying to find their real self, they’re trying to loose their real self, pretending to be somone they are not. And then they want to brainwash our kids into thinking that it is good to not be ok with yourself. There is no way this should be respected or tolerated. Stereo-type? Wrong!! It is a sin that brings sickness into society. And I will fight against it to give our kids a chance with the truth.

          • Karolyn

            God SUPPOSEDLY destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of idolatry. Have you ever read any of the other interpretations/traslations of the Bible?

          • http://naver samurai

            God destroyed them because of their sexual perversions. Read Genesis 13:13. You really need to read the Bible before you post about it. Ooops! I keep forgetting that libs don’t read, they just use a book as a pillow to sleep on and hope the info gets absorbed into their heads. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Samurai, Unlike you, I have read different interpretations of the Biblical passages and have chosen those that seem more logical and Godlike.

          • April

            Supposedly?? I suppose you have not done your homework. Do you know what was involved with these idolatry practices? If you’re interested, read Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13-read the whole chapters if ya like, and Romans 18-32, II Timothy ch.3 for starters. Do you understand what abominations are? Do you know how to check out the different translations taking them back to their original languages as well as the figures of speech of that time period and the figures of speech when they were actually translated, and when they were used? Can you rightly divide God’s Word? Because until you do, your opinions are just that “your opinions” and are usless in helping others. My heavenly Father wants us to know Him and howHe feels about life so we that we don’t get sick or cause harm to others and preserve for ourselves and people in our land a healthy and prosperous life by keeping evil doings out.

          • Jana

            Karolyn,
            Wow, how great you are that you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible you like or want to follow.
            **************
            Samurai, Unlike you, I have read different interpretations of the Biblical passages and have chosen those that seem more logical and Godlike***************

            Hmmmm,
            You want different interpretaions? How about– – - -
            Rom 1:27-28 27
            And in the same way the men gave up the natural use of the woman and were burning in their desire for one another, men doing shame with men, and getting in their bodies the right reward of their evil-doing.
            28
            And because they had not the mind to keep God in their knowledge, God gave them up to an evil mind, to do those things which are not right;
            BBE
            Or same verse different interpretation:
            Rom 1:27
            27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
            NKJV
            Lets see how about:
            1 Cor 6:9
            9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
            NKJV

          • April

            Thank you Jana!! You even corrected my goof as I intended to put Romans 1:18-32. but what you have here is right on target.

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s because you’re thinking with your little lib mind and not asking God for guidance. Human wisdom always fails, but God’s never does. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “Human wisdom always fails, but God’s never does.”

            Yup, he’s done a great job of flooding middle America.

            Earthquakes… Wow! Lately there have been a few.

            Sunamies… Wow! Lately there have been some.

            Your god has been busy lately samurai. More fear and distruction.

            Ever so hateful of humanity in my humble opinion.

            Why don’t you slither on off and tell him enough?

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            as per one of robs own lines: “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, you moron, but that post is nothing but a rant by an uninformed fool just venting his anger towards someone. No intelligence at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Larry,

        Larry, why is someones religious preference have to be out in the news – etc! ahead of most things? Some christians have an agenda to be treated SPECIAL, at teh cost of all traditional Americans who believe in freedom from religion. Why not just leave your religious preference at home? No you can’t do that, they have to in my face force it upon everyone. Same religious people sometimes can’t reproduce. Your canabalism (transsubstanciation) was not made for sex pal it was made to relieve yourself. Like I said christians have an adjenda to basically destroy the traditional Family values with their perversion of canabalism.

        Rob

      • http://none Scott

        I don’t know what he’s going to do when he gets to HIS heaven and finds out that ALL the angels are MALES and that the resulting “human” population of male and female is NOT going to be allowed to reproduce…… NO SEX for babies….. only for fun and enjoyment, if that?? and what’s he’s going to do with all the male angels who are having sex…. gee, he’s going to be in a mess or a basket case? AND BESIDES WE ALL know via studies and case histories that MOST of these folks in the religious communities are really only worried that IF WE become full citizens of this USA then THEY are going to have to address THEIR own fears abt. the “feelings” that THEY are having abt. other men and still trying to act straight, be married, make babies and pass as hetrosexuals….. ONE only fights against what one fears and fears may over come you!!!! These folks against the “gay community” should see a “shrink” and work out their fears of what they are feeling, but of course NONE of THEM will ever admit to having those feelings, for what would mom, dad, siblings, friends, and yes… THOSE churchie members say abt. them!!!!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Too much lib kool aid and crack on a daily basis! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        From Lary: “Same sex people can’t reproduce.”

        Neither can elders. Do you want to prevent them from marrying too?

        If a guy gets wounded in the army and can’t have kids are you claiming he can’t get married?

        What about nuns? If they can’t get married why do they wear a wedding right in honor of their god? Isn’t that married of sorts?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          That posting was so ignorant that it is undeserving of a response. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Christin

      Tony,
      You know it just doesn’t work that way… you do what you want and be happy and I do what I want and be happy.

      We haen’t been put here on Earth to do what ‘feels good’, but to do ‘what IS Right’.

      The Homosexual AGENDA is a LEFTIST group and Organization that are backing ANY politician (usually not a Conservative Constitutional Statesman of character and integrity) that will give them RIGHTS even above everyone else. Do you know RIGHT NOW their are homosexual groups trying to change law and policy in Congress? Have you heard of the bill (can’t remember what it is called) where it would be an extra big crime if you bully or harm a person who claims to be gay than if he/she is just a regular straight person? THAT IS SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION!

      Homosexuals have an EDUCATIONAL AGENDA to teach SCHOOL CHILDREN about their perverted behavior from kindergarten on up… sorry, but that is INDOCTRINATION and sick. Have you heard of the CA school program… “Two Penguins and a baby”?

      Homosexuals and other deviant sexual behaviors (ie. tranvestites, bisexuals, beastiality, pediphiles, rapists), have blatant GAY PRIDE parades all over America where they have disgraced the American flag by making it RAINBOW color and walk around in pink and black lingerie ‘doing each other’ in public… the police do nothing.

      Allowing blatant deviant sexual behaviors from the LEFTIST people claiming to be Homosexual is aiding in RIPPING America apart and has played a hand in collapsing other societies when they perverse what is Right and Good made by God… one man and one woman in marriage. God says homosexuality is sin and those people will not reap the kingdom of God (unless they repent and turn from their sin). So if you allow or support gay people’s choice and you say nothing then your friend, family member, or aquaintance will be forever separated from God in Hell. God gives us instructions in the Bible to live a righteous and victorious life in Christ and whenever we have deviated from His Word and His Will, we FAIL.

      I think each of us knows we must live with in our means and within guidelines or boundaries as God has given us (not evil big gov). With His HAND of Protection off of our nation you can see what we are becoming and how we are flailing and failing miserably…

      If you consider us a ‘Chrisian nation’ then you have to follow Jesus Christ and He says NO to homosexuality, plain and simple.

      “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.” “And such were some of you, But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”
      1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 [Bible]

      “If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
      2 Chronicles 7:14 [Bible]

      • Robert Smith

        Show us Christian where in your bible jesus addressed anythiing about gays.

        You posted: “If you consider us a ‘Chrisian nation’ then you have to follow Jesus Christ and He says NO to homosexuality, plain and simple.”

        Please put up or admit you have no basis for your claim.

        Rob

        • Christin

          Robert,

          You blind, bro???

          I quoted a scripture verse, “1 Corinthians 6: 9-11″ from the Bible to back up my statements.

          It’s right under the one you quoted… didn’t you read to the end?
          And I only quoted it as I knew some fool would ask me to back up my words… guess that fool was YOU, Robert Smith.

          I’m sorry you hate God and dismiss His Words as nonsense, but whether you Believe or Not… it is so… and one day you will wish you listened when you are dieing of thirst and nashing your teeth in misery and darkness being tormented by demons for all eternity.

          I think then you will NOT be such a ‘Smart _ss’ spitting on God and other posters with your foolish words.

          BTW… my name is spelled ‘Christin’ and the faith of our country is spelled ‘Christian’.

          • http://none Scott

            Well your reasoning is so full of hate and hurt and confusion that it’s not worth taking the time to address… BUT the verses you quoted are not JESUS’s words, they are Paul’s IF HE even wrote them himself…. cause YOU don’t know who wrote them as you were not there the day the ink went on the paper or calf skin or lamb hide! NOT for those verses or any of the others you like to shoot off. What don’t you do what you are supposed to do, “Love GOD with all your heart and love your neighbor the same way” and leave THE REST to GOD! HE did not put you in charge any thing down here, over here, out here or whereever! As an AMERICAN citizen, as a honored Air Force vet, I HAVE THE RIGHT to any and all laws that apply to you, your wife, your kids, your family, your hate filled little religious cult and until THIS COUNTRY STOPS making people of any class, race, religion, skin color, sexual group, family group, national origin, citizenship status, whatever; a SECOND CLASS citizen and having to live under different but not equal laws, things are not going to change!

            BESIDE WE were not founded to be a CHRISTIAN nation, but a nation where ALL peoples would be free from total govt. control and free to be their own individual selfs!!! AND IF we were truly using some of the Jewish principles and guidelines then YOU and WE would be following the verses that say very plainly THAT THE ALIEN IN YOUR COUNTRY IS TO BE TREATED THE SAME AS THE CITIZEN and to say the least, THAT Bible principle has NEVER been followed or the rule in THIS NATION!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Scott, actually you are the one full of hate and lies, moron! What do you mean if he wrote them? Must be a non believer in the God of our fathers and founders. Not a Christian nation? Care to site anything that backs that up? I won’t hold my breath as you won’t find anything that supports your statement in our history, founding documents, or our founding fathers records. You say you served in the USAF? Where did you serve? What was your MOS and your rank? By the way you sound, if you did serve, you have disgraced our history, founders, yourself, and the service you say you have done. Traitorous and cowardly moron. Lastly, you talk about welcoming the foreigner into our land, true but you err after that. It also says to have them go by our laws, culture, food, dress, lifestyle, etc., ergo being gay isn’t part of anything that is natural. If they are given the status you suggest, then they must go by the ways posted, no exceptions!!!!!!! Do you read me? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            I forgot to leave the 2 morons scott and rob a source.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g80tkhow2JY&feature=related

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Christin

            Thanks Samuari.

          • http://naver samurai

            No problem Christin. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • April

            Rob
            Every source you have provided are from bias media that only document in order to push their unpopular and unwanted agenda. Your sources are not time proven to work. You are being decieved by your sources. Your gawwd is a false wannabe(who is really the devil) and is leading you to self delusion and destruction because you are making yourself look like an arogant obnoxcious little fellow. We Christians are not fearful as in afraid of our GOD- we REVERE HIM with such great love and respect. HE loves us and provided us a time proven letter (The Holy Bible) that show us how to have a good and solid and sick free life. But if we don’t bother to acknowlege HIS wise council, then there are consequences that naturally we bring upon ourselves; and HE gives examples of those consequences for those who follow HIS wise counsel, and for those who do not. HE will not force HIS way on anyone. We can accept or reject HIS SON WHO paid the price on the cross and defeated death three days later, and recieve HIS forgiveness. It’s not that hard unless you are trying to make excuses for keeping a lifestyle that goes against HIS counsel. The hardest thing for most of us to do is to forgive ones self. This is so worth the fight.

          • April

            This was to reply to Robert Smith below. I went to your site and responded but the response landed a couple of post above, instead of underneath.

        • Cawmun Cents

          The reason Christ didnt say anything about homosexuals is due to the fact that in ancient times in Israel,they stoned such people to death.Therefore,if there were homosexuals,and someone found out about it,they(the common folks)dragged them in to the street and killed them.It was simply not allowed in their society.So you wouldnt see Him talking about people who were going to die anyway.It was under Levitical law that homosexuals were to be stoned to death.So it is highly unlikely that Christ even saw a homosexual.You keep throwing these little snippets of yours out trying to refute what you already know is condemned.So you will suffer us more of this nonsense?

          • Robert Smith

            Isn’t it great how people can learn? Here is how it is TODAY in a country with one of the world’s toughest armies.

            “First and foremost, gay rights are protected by law. [5] Gay marriages – performed outside Israel – are recognized by the state, and same-sex couples are permitted to adopt. [6] Gays can serve openly in the military. [7] Gender reassignment surgery is legal and openly performed. [8] The gay community has gained wide acceptance throughout Israeli society, including in the political, legal, military and cultural realms. In fact, the city of Tel Aviv has one of the most flourishing gay communities in the world. [9]”

            That’s from: http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=hsJPK0PIJpH&b=689705&ct=8543979

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Again with a foreign country and not the U.S. Can we stick to the subject of it being in the U.S. Military? Moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Cawmun Cents

            Isnt it ironic that even after they had their coutry taken from them, and were subjected to wandering the earth,after a holocaust,after all the countries in the world are uniting against them,they still stubbornly refuse to obey God’s law?Now you know why Israel is hated….because they wont even follow their own Gods laws.That makes them the object of ridicule to the world and is tantamount to spitting in Gods face.

          • Cawmun Cents

            But then again if you read the words of their own ancient prophets,they all describe this in detail…..hmmmmm.

          • Jana

            Cawmun Cents,
            You are right, it is prophesied to be so. However, since the Israelites are God’s chosen people, we as HIS children are told to still honor them and NOT to turn against them.

          • Jana

            Cawmun Cents,
            That information was not particularly for you, as I think you already knew that. Just throwing out a few facts. LOL

      • karolyn

        The only thing that’s “ripping American apart” is people who can’t live and let live and allow others their rights.

        • Christin

          Karolyn,
          “Rights” come from God, NOT from government…

          God has given us the Ten Commandments and a whole book called the Holy Bible to read, learn, and follow.

          He does not say live and let live… He says, COME pick up your Cross and follow Me.
          Not do what you want.

          You will have to take this up with God, The Most High, if you don’t agree with Him.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Christin…

            You posted: ““Rights” come from God, NOT from government…”

            What part of “We the People…” did you miss?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, moron, what part of our first 10 Amendments being God given did you miss? “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?” Thomas Jefferson. What about the DOI the states our rights are “…endowed by their Creator…” Creator is another word for God. Get over it moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Hooray Samurai
            Hooray, and God Bless you. That is a great reply.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree, fellow patriot! You should also understand that sometimes trying to tell the Truth to these people (Kayrolin, Rob, etc) is like beating your head against a brick wall. Their heads are as thick and hard as one also. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks Jana, fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Christin

            THANKS AGAIN, Samurai!

            I hear you about the thick heads…

            Jesus said, they will hate you for My name’s sake…

            Man, am I feeling ‘run over by a semi-trailer truck’ (attacks when I speak truth) by those that have chosen to follow self instead of God.

          • Robert Smith

            samurai asks: “part of our first 10 Amendments being God given did you miss?”

            The part where it isn’t in the Constitution, thus isn’t our law.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert S,
            Of course its not in YOUR law. You deal in lies. You know, your favorite word.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, wrong again moron! Since they are given to us by God, only he can take them away and not the government. Though Obama bin Laden will at least try to do so, but he’ll meet with a great defeat on the battlefield. Also moron, if you look above where George Washington signed the Constitution it says, “In the year of our Lord.” Gee, this means the number of years (1787) after the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Bzzzzz wrong again moron! You’re in full retreat now, so why don’t you wave the white flag and give up? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. We have rob on the run as he is grasping at straws. Let’s keep up the pressure and maybe he’ll go away.

      • Karolyn

        Christin, I believe the word “homosexual” was never used in the Bible. It is someone’s interpretation of the original language. The Bible was canonized as a tool of control for the Church.

      • Robert Smith

        from christin: “The Homosexual AGENDA is a LEFTIST group”

        Really! Don’t tell that to the Log Cabin Republicans or that congress critter with a “wide stance” in the airport stall.

        Or are they just more republican liars?

        Rob

    • http://naver samurai

      Sorry Tony, but being gay is a behavior and behaviors aren’t covered anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. Plus they go against what our Christian founding fathers had planned for this country.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_vZpwWyEJU&feature=related

      Sorry, I understand what you are saying, but these beliefs are wrong and not what this country nor God wanted. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        One among hundreds of “christian” right wing videos trying to justify and hijack the founding fathers.

        They are trying to rehabilitate old Tail Gunner Joe too. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tiflDvwmeU

        Makes none of the true. Just more right wing propaganda.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Watched the video rob, but to no avail. You can’t change history moron, no matter how hard you try. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            By the way moron, we could use anoth Joe McCarthy to go against Obama bin Laden and his cronies. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, witch hunts are another brutal christian thing.

            Made the “Maleious Malificarum” a best seller. For a short time it was an even bigger seller than the christian bible. That’s how enthusiastic some christians were to be brutal and hateful.

            Funny… They cooked witches and eat their savior raw.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, still continuing to be the moron and also trying to rewrite history? The Salem Witch Trials started when a girl was in love with a boy, but he liked someone else. So she went before certain elders in the community and told a lie that she saw this girl fly through the sky at night. Ergo, it was because of lies, jealousy, and superstition. These things have nothing to do with Christianity, so quit lying about something you obviously don’t know about. Another thing about the Communion. The bread is a symbol of our Lord’s Body and not the real thing. People like you tend to be less intelligent, antagonistic, small minded, and have very few (if any) friends, so you take it out on people on this site. You just lost again moron. How does it feel to be a loser? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            The inquisitions were real samurai.

            BTW, the witches in Salem, MA, were hung, not burned.

            And it was christians who did the deed.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Both of them did happen moron, I can’t dent that, but the part you consistantly get wrong is saying that everyone who participated were Christians. There are too many CINOs in history and in our country today. CINO is Christian in name only. Ergo, what they did wasn’t in the name of God or supported by him. Another moronic response by Rob. Tisc, tisc, tisc, when will you ever learn? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Some of the so called witches were pressed to death and some were burned through history. Learn history before you talk about it. Muslims begead any and all witches.

          • http://naver samurai

            I meant behead.

    • Vieteravet

      I wanted my grandsons to be military men, but now that the queers have taken over, I have no respect for the miitary. They can all burn in Hell!

  • Henry Ledbetter

    God created them male and female for a reason and ultimately He will have the last word but I fear many will not like what He has to say. “THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN IS TO FEAR GOD.AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.” Solaman

    • Robert Smith

      What a sad god using the same fear mongering as the Taliban.

      Rob

      • Cawmun Cents

        Well we could have a tolerant God,but then when someone killed yoou because you are homosexual,we would have to tolerate that as well.

        • karolyn

          We do have a tolerant and loving God.

          • Christin

            NO Karolyn,
            WE have a Just and Loving God. Because he is Just he must discipline those who do not obey His commands, and He is Loving as he sent His only begotten Son to die for our sins.

            God does not tolerate sin.

          • Karolyn

            Christin, My view of God is not the same as yours. Let’s just say I disagree and leave it at that.

          • Christin

            Karolyn,

            That sounds good.

            When we both die we will learn who’s view of God was the most accurate.

            Have a good day.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Leviticus 20:,1″The Lord said to Moses.”2″Give the Israelites these instructions which apply to all those who are Israelites by birth as well as the foreigners living among you.”One of those instructions was this.Leviticus 20:13″The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties.They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense.”So of course Jesus wouldnt have said anything about homosexuals,they were to be executed immediately,for committing a capital offense.

        • Jana

          Christin,
          Thank you for standing for what is right.
          The Bible is God’s Word, and you have represented the Word of God quite well.

          • Christin

            Thank you, Jana… I needed to hear that.

            God Bless You

          • Robert Smith

            And for those of us in America who can CHOOSE not to follow your brutal bible we want to be left alone. Quit forcing your bible on those who don’t want it.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            They aren’t forcing their beliefs on you rob, moron! They just said what it says in the Bible or how they believe. This isb’t forcing their beliefs on you. How about you moron? Always with the Christian bashing (illegal hate speech) and lies. Couldn’t this be considered you trying to force your beliefs on us? You can’t have it both ways, moron. Though you probably do have it both ways. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Robert Smith,
            You are the one who keeps bringing it up. You are the one who HATES anything to do with God or His Word or His children.
            You are obsessed with Christianity. If God doesn’t exist, why are you so bothered by Him?
            I think deep down in your heart you do want to know the truth. You are coming across as a very scared insecure person who is wanting someone to prove you wrong. I feel so sorry for you.

      • http://naver samurai

        Is it the same as the ganglike and Nazi like mentality of the lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists on this site and the gay agenda? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Eddie47d

          Your “conservative” agenda and extremism’s (the way you talk) hardly give me confidence that your way is the right way.Remember back in the 60′s when Conservatives always said “my country right or wrong” and anybody who disagreed with them was a commie. You play that same game in reverse. Now the government is wrong on everything and no one should trust them, as the right wingers say.Too much flip flopping for political convenience.

          • Jana

            Eddie47,
            The way YOU talk doesn’t give anyone confidence that you are even a Christian as you have claimed.

          • Robert Smith

            Yes Jana, we can tell you and samurai are christians by the brutality you spout and you beating others figuratively over the head with your bibles.

            Quite frankly I consider that assault and spiritual rape.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First, edduh, if you don’t agree with me and you believe differently than I do, so be it. But don’t tell me you really believe these things about gays and call yourself a Christian. It is inconcieveable to call yourself a Christian and live in rebellion to the Bible. Second, rob moron, did anyone physically pummel you into doing anything? Since this did not happen, ergo no assult has taken place. As far as your spiritual rape nonsense, get over it. Isn’t freedom in America great, where people can pray wherever, whenever, to for whomever they want to?

            http://www.keepgodinamerica.com/firstprayer.asp

            Look this one up. The first prayer in the Continental Congress in 1774. Pay attention to the wording, then you’ll know many of the posts you have brought here are wrong in our nations beliefs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Robert S.,
            Yep my reply to you above must be right on.
            In the first place it is always odd how someone who is NOT a Christian thinks they know how a Christian is supposed to act and react. Your response:
            ******************
            Yes Jana, we can tell you and samurai are christians by the brutality you spout and you beating others figuratively over the head with your bibles.

            Quite frankly I consider that assault and spiritual rape.************

            just shows you actually know nothing about the God you hate yet so desperately want to know.
            Robert, you HAVE BEEN spiritually raped. You have been raped by Satan, and boy is he laughing hard at you and enjoying pulling your strings. Satan has become your master. The good news is, he doesn’t have to remain your master.
            God loves you so much that He sent His only Son to die for your sins. You can pray to God and ask for forgiveness and He will forgive you. Every single one of us who knows the Lord and are saved, have had to take this very same step.

            REMEMBER, GOD LOVES YOU.

          • http://naver Sook Young

            I’ll pray for you also Robert. Though you may not want me to pray for you, but I’m a prayer warrior and I don’t give up. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “Though you may not want me to pray for you, but I’m a prayer warrior and I don’t give up.”

            Thus forcing me to be a part of your religion when I don’t want to be.

            Thanks for the confirmation of that.

            I don’t and won’t live in fear of you or your god.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Oh Robert,
            Forcing you? Why its exactly the same thing as when you stated above that if a gay man were to come on to you all you would have to do is say politely no. (Actually I added politely, as you don’t seem to know that word).

            All we are doing is praying that Satan leaves you alone long enough for you to make up your own mind, and not be Satan’s slave.That you will see the TRUTH and understand the TRUTH for yourself, so you can make your own decision without Satanic influence. You are so bound up with hatred and fear of God, you are not free to make your own choice. Satan has you hook line and sinker.

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, still the moron? Can’t you tell that my wife said that to you? Can’t you tell that she doesn’t use forward language and treated you a lot more respectful than you have earned? Get off of the weed. It’s rotting your little lib mind. BTW if my wife wants to pray for you, who are you to tell her otherwise? So you believe in hindering someone in their freedom of speech and religion? Some “American” you are, moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Vieteravet

            Yeah, let’s trust the idiots who now run our country(into the ground)!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai asks: “So you believe in hindering someone in their freedom of speech and religion?”

            It isn’t “freedom” when you try to involve me against my will.

            KEEP YOUR BRUTAL RELIGION AWAY FROM ME.

            If you want to life in fear and hate that is your choice. Forcing it on me when I don’t choose it crushes my rights. Go away.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, moron, but I’m not going away till the mission is completed. I don’t care if it takes forever. You have already lost, but just aren’t wise enough to realize it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jimmy

    Tony Do you honestly believe the constitution was written
    to allow homosexual marriage? Let the homosexuals live their
    lives but they do not qualify for marriage. This is not about
    equality or discrimination Homosexual realationships are inferior
    to a man and woman. It should be self evident that a man was designed
    to be with a woman not another man. In a free society you have to
    speak up when you see that freedom being abused. Allowing homosexuals
    to pervert our society is abusing that freedom. Already homosexual
    groups like GLSEN and LGBT are in the schools encouraging children to
    get involved in their lifestyle.

    • Eddie47d

      Don’t worry Jimmy there are plenty of heterosexuals who have perverted society. Heck they have been doing it …since Adam and Eve. So you think you can deny a homosexual his or her rights so you can continue to flaunt your rights against them? Some freedom loving guy you are! You as an American have lost nothing but you want to make sure someone else doesn’t have the same rights that you have. Now I would say only an inferior person would want to do that.

      • Jimmy

        I understand you don’t feel you have the right to tell others
        how to live their lives. Fine but along with freedom comes
        responsibility. If you don’t have the courage to stand up to
        perversion you will lose that freedom . This is what you see
        happening now. Already soldiers have lost the freedom from sexual
        harrassment, being forced to eat, sleep, shower and undress in front
        of someone who is sexually attracted to their sex.Parents have lost
        the freedom ot send their children to school and not have them
        indoctrinated by homosexual groups like GLSEN and LGBT. People have
        lost the right to even express your belief that homosexuality is a
        perversion without being called a inferior person.

        • karolyn

          Everything I have heard and read indicates that gays make great soldiers, and they are not harrassing their fellow soldiers. They do their job and follow the rules just like eveybody else.

          • http://naver samurai

            “Everything that I have heard…” That sounds like heresay to me. Care to cite some sources to back up that statement? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Eddie47d

            Few are upset about it like you are Samurai and maybe Jimmy.Believe it or not they are Americans just like you and should be accorded the same rights.

          • Jana

            Eddie, they have the right to have civil ceremonies. They have a right to make a will and leave their loved one their possessions. They have the same right that I do to make decisions for my husband, its called a Power of Attorney.
            Its not our fault they choose not to do these things that the rest of us have to do.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well edduh, please tell me what God given rights have we taken from them? NONE! They just act like we have. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://personalliberty.com frank

        hey eddie47d you’re so worked up about this.maybe you’re one of the heterosexuals who has perverted society just as you Jovi ANUS and doc sarvis pervert this site!.

        • Eddie47d

          Jimmy seems to be riling up plenty of folks with his constant nonsense about people showering together. Now there are some perverted thoughts going on in that dudes mind. When I was in 7th-9th grade all male students had to take swimming classes and be naked which also meant they showered together. No one made advances towards another or were perverted. So I think it is all in Jimmy’s noggin. Some of us got over that “embarrassment” 50 years ago so maybe Jimmy needs to take a lesson and move on. I sure hope he never becomes a doctor and has to see a naked patent.He’d freak out. His slogan on his office door would read “If your gay stay away”.

    • karolyn

      “Already homosexual groups like GLSEN and LGBT are in the schools encouraging children to get involved in their lifestyle.” Nobody’s encouraging children to do anything they don’t want to do. Education enables them to BE what they ARE and not fear reprisals for that.

      • Jana

        Sure Karolyn, sure

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to stick by that lie? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          They lie is that kids should live in fear of your god just because they don’t think the same way you do.

          How pathetic to scare little children into YOUR version of obedience to a brutal god.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            I am sure you don’t even realize WHY you use the word “LIE” so much. It’s because you serve the Father of all Liars.His name is SATAN. Because you tell lies, you think everyone does.

          • http://naver samurai

            Morn, we don’t scare children into becomming Christians. The muslims scare people to convert, but we don’t. Being a Christian is a choice and nothing is forced on you. However, you are the ones trying to force your beliefs on us and if it is different than what you think, it is always a lie. You are a waste of time on this site as you never have a valid arguement for anything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Jimmy asks: “Tony Do you honestly believe the constitution was written to allow homosexual marriage?”

      Yes, it’s called equality under law. Folks should be allowed to marry the one they love regardless of gender.

      Besides, if a gay couple is living next door how does it impact you? It is YOUR imagination what they do behind closed doors. It is YOU who thinks they might be getting something (which they aren’t “getting” any different than you).

      So, just what’s so bad about a loving couple next door? Do you screw on the front lawn? I doubt they will either.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Tell me which one amendment says anything about marriage. NONE! Marriage isn’t covered by law. It is either a civil union or through the church and has nothing to do with law. What a moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          samurai asks: “Tell me which one amendment says anything about marriage”

          samurai you should learn how to read. I was pointing out equality under law. It’s from the 14th Amendment which does include the word equality in Section 1. That prohibits a state government from denying “to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” This equal protection clause protects individuals from arbitrary discrimination by government officials.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First moron, this means the government can’t discriminate against gays by making laws against it, this is true, but then why can Indiana have a law stating that performing a gay marriage is illegal? “No state shall make or enforce any lawwhich shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” 14th Amendment, Section 1. Ergo, Indiana has done the due process of the law and passed such laws against it being performed in my state. This isn’t depriving them of any God given rights under the Constitution, nor does it take away life, liberty, or property. Sorry moron, but you have to do better then that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Barry Wind

    The law against Sodomy was correct and should never have been removed. What good is this life stile except to spread disease and gratify the weird pleasure of a few. It spreads like a cancer when turned lose on society! I for one will fight it with my vote and with emails to my government reps! God will ultimately deal with it and them.

    • crystal

      The worst part of reversing the sodomy laws was what it did to children who have been violated. No longer is sodomy considered harmful to children. If you visit the Law Library and look up sodomy rape cases involving children, you’ll see just how disgusting the reversal decision is.

      • Robert Smith

        Yes crystal, all those priests who diddled all those kids are still guilty of criminal activity. Rape of a minor is still a crime. Changing the law did NOT change that.

        As far as “sodomy” goes it’s common knowledge that heterosexuals do far more than homosexuals. There are simply way more heterosexuals and some of them engange in oral and other sex that you don’t approve of.

        I’m of the opinion that anal sex is where extreme right wing nuts come from. But let me be clear, that’s my opinion. Your milage may vary.

        Rob

        • libertytrain

          to quote rob: “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

          • Robert Smith

            What “rights” are stolen from you when gays marry?

            Are you claiming it is your right to force your religion upon them?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Still with the lies, rhetoric, and inuendo, eh moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Barry says: “God will ultimately deal with it and them.”

      Are you trying to elevate yourself to the level of your god by judging them in this life?

      That looks like a boat load of huberus to me.

      Rob

      • Cawmun Cents

        Claiming that God will do something that He told us He would do is not judging you.And for your information the Bible says that Christians will judge angels,so dont try to convict us of judging others.You hate God.We know.You dont have to come on here and tell us that.Your lifestyle tells us.It is well known,and written,that you refuse to see the light.So perish in the darkness,but leave us alone please.Thank You

        • Robert Smith

          Yup, I see how it works Cawmun Cents… Your god and his followers just can’t take any other point of view and you beg, threaten, abuse, and generally try to make others go away.

          Seems to me that was the REAL crime in Sodom.

          Oh, and then there’s the part where Lot knocked up his daughters. Fun story that.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong again, moron! If you read about Lot and his daughters, a lib read-no way, you would know that his daughters got him drunk to the point of passing out. They then took advantage of their father while he was KO’d. Don’t blame Lot for the actions of his daughters. One child was the founder of Moab and one the founder of Ammon. Both of which are part of the Kingdom of Jordan today. Funny, isn’t it moron? How the two countries started by these perverse acts of the daughters ended up being conquered by the people of Israel, Lot’s people. These days Moab and Ammon practice islam and are not in good condition, but what about Israel? Just some food for thought. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Cawmun Cents

            Jesus went by Levitical law like everyone else in Israel.Levitical law states that HOMOSEXUALS WERE TO BE EXECUTED IMMEDIATELY!They were guilty of a capital offense according to Levitical law.

        • Robert Smith

          samurai says about Lot: “you would know that his daughters got him drunk to the point of passing out.”

          Riiiiiiiight,samurai. Passed out.

          Is that another miricle like the virgin birth?

          BTW, when Jesus cam out Mary certainly wasn’t a virgin anymore. Medicaly things got tore up.

          But then again with Mary at 12 or 13 and Joe somewhat older I’m pretty sure that Mary wasn’t a virgin.

          Joe seems to have been quite the mench though. His girl got knocked up by this older guy, god, and he accepted it. BTW, at 12 or 13 it had to be by definition rape of a minor and your god should be arrested. With such an example I can understand why so many priests have gone over to kids and why it was covered up. It’s a christian thing I guess.

          Rob

          Rob

          • libertytrain

            As Rob said in a prior post: “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

          • http://naver samurai

            Lacking of truth and intelligence and not worthy of a response. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • GRusling

    Scientificall, it’s pretty clear that some people are “born gay” and there’s probably nothing they can do about it. At the same time, most MEN are born with the instinct to “MULTIPLY” as often and with as many different “MATES” as possible. In our society, most men stifle that “instinct” for the sake of good order and responsibility.

    Folks, this is NOT about how we’re born, it’s about “SEX,” whether normal or perverted, and that’s the beginning and the end of the problem!

    Now, whoever wants to lie to themselves and ignore the truth, jump on me, while I just sit here and laugh at your ignorant diatribe…

    • http://naver samurai

      No gay gene has been found yet. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • GRusling

        It’s not a gene, but the biological process responsible for creating a gay person is well understood and has been for years. You might want to take a few minutes of your time and read up on it…

        • Dale on the left coast

          Back in the Day . . . . Masters and Johnson . . . upon extensive research said it was a “Learned Phenominum” . . . the Research was ignored by the media, but nothing has changed in the last few decades to change their perspective.
          That is why they have worked so hard to get access to schools, since the early 80′s when they were banned from handing out Spa Passes in High Schools in San Fran!!!

          • karolyn

            Masters & Johnson has been relegated to the trash heap for anyone who has any brains.

        • http://naver samurai

          Being gay is a choice and has responsibilities to go along with it. You may want to read up on that, moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “Being gay is a choice and has responsibilities to go along with it.”

            When did you choose to be straight?

            I remember when I chose to be straight. When I was in high school gay friend of mine made a pass and I simply said “no thank you.” He never asked again. We remained good friends for a couple of decades until he was killed.

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Being gay is a choice and has nothing to do with mental disorders or DNA. Give up with the nonsense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Ellen

        There is not a gay gene any more than there’s a bipolar gene or a Cystic Fibrosis gene or a gene for many other abnormalities. These are natural problems where our bodily processes don’t work as they should. In homosexuality, there is a brain chemical problem. We need to accept this as there are more gays among the younger generation and so they are far more accepting of it. I think the big problem is the ‘gay pride’ movement. Do we have bipolar pride? Autism pride? Spinabifida pride? The gays pushing their agenda tend to be the overtly gay, which are offensive to some people. If the push was lead by regular people, instead of naked men running in the San Francisco parades, people would probably be open to it. There is nothing to be ashamed of if you are gay, but it is certainly not something to be proud of. It’s just nature gone wrong and we accept other instances of that.

        • http://none Scott

          I AM GLAD that YOU are such a science person and know ALL abt. the genes…. Gee I thought that the gene mapping had pretty well shown ALL OF US that the cause of most diseases that are NOT enviro or chemically caused by man, and some of them may be too, were all because of different gene then what one might except….. so whether or not being a male gay person or a female gay person is based on an actual gene or not, IT certainly may well be as we become more knowledgeable abt. the genes and the entire dna chain! SO for you to say that or claim that “gay folks” have a bad gene is going back to the old days of Masters & Johnson and Freud and others who wanted to claim THEY could CURE IT!!!!!

          IF any thing CAUSES(?) IT(?) it may well be STRESS to the female during the time “she is with baby”, to use a very old fashion term when IT was not NICE to even speak of that action…… THERE was an East German Study done way back in the 1970′s which showed that mothers, or females with baby, who WERE UNDER STRESS during the nine months, gave birth to a higher NUMBER of homosexual male and lesbian females, then mothers who were not stressed. The causes of the stress were many things but mostly came from the ACTIONS of the MEN in their lives and as far as I know this study has never been done in the West, so IF any thing causes “GAY FOLKS” it’s more then likely is the FAULT OF THE FEMALES WHO ARE HAVING BABIES UNDER STRESSFUL CONDITIONS!!!!!!!!

        • Eddie47d

          You have a welcoming analysis Ellen.

          • Thamera

            Ditto that!

        • Jay

          Ellen, that was an excellent balance of faulty science and faulty logic! Congratulations, you get an A+!!

    • MrDave98765

      You are ignoring the fact that there is a God that created the universe and you and I and His Word says marriage is for 1 man and 1 woman. We were created that way, to deviate is ones own decision. People have deviated all down through the ages and suffered for it. If you want to live in a country that accepts gay marriage, you’re free to move to another country. Don’t try to force it on us.
      So, you’re laughing at me. When you stand before God at the end of your life on earth for your judgement, no one will be laughing.

      • Christin

        AMEN.

        I wouldn’t want to go to the Great White Throne of Judgment with out the saving blood of Jesus Christ to attone for my sins.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Dave, you posted: “You are ignoring the fact that there is a God that created the universe and you and I and His Word says marriage is for 1 man and 1 woman.”

        Ummm, ever heard of King Soloman?

        Wisest guy ever. I think I’ll follow his example rather than listen to you.

        Rob

        • Cawmun Cents

          The part you are leaving out is that Solomon caused his Kingdom to be divided as a result of his poor choices.The same thing is happening here and now while we watch.Pur military is making poor decisions and it will cause our nation to be divided,and easily conquerable by people who might despise homosexuals.Then you have again written your own fate.

          • Karolyn

            King Solomon wasn’t the only one who had multiple wives.

          • Robert Smith

            I hear Lilith was Adam’s first wife.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Karolyn. It wasn’t that Solomen had multiple wives, the wives he took were not Christian wives and he made temples for them to worship their false gods. This was his big sin.

          • Jana

            Robert Smith
            You “heard” wrong. That is a myth.

  • http://personallibertydigest seymoure

    This is one way the Gov’t will discourage “normal” Men and Women
    from Volunteering for the service, and if the DRAFT occurs, count
    on an uprising. These mixed up individuals actually think they are,
    or should be the Norm in society. They will NEVER be accepted as a
    man and wife combo. LORD, please forgive the ignorant, and change
    their ways………Thank you JESUS………THIS MEANS THE GOV’T TOO.

    • Eddie47d

      The military will survive and do just fine. There will be a few wrinkles like in any transition but a more just society will always be a better society. Jesus would never reject a homosexual or discriminate against them and would certainly welcome them in his home.This act of acceptance by Jesus wouldn’t make Jesus a homosexual anymore than it should you.

      • Jimmy

        You are wrong Eddie, Homosexuals have no more right to force
        their sexuality on their sex of choice, then straights do.
        They have no right to force straights to, sleep, shower and
        undress in front of them. If you forced a woman to endure
        this it would be called sexual harrasssment. Introducing
        sexual attraction and possible romantic relationships in
        a group of men whose purpose is to fight and kill is
        detrimental for obvious reasons.

      • Monte Poitevint

        I think you need to reread your Bible regarding sodomy, assuming you have ever read Bible. You are making an attempt to rewrite the Bible to gain acceptance of a perverted lifestyle that the the majority finds disgustingly unacceptable and immoral. What the queer agenda hopes to achieve is the one thing that will never happen: they want to be thought of and accepted as normal. They made their personal choice to join a perverted lifestyle that the rest of society looks down upon as disgraceful and sinful. Whatever happens to them is of their own choosing.

        • Cawmun Cents

          And when deviancy is acceptable as nprmal then only normalcy will be deviant.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Sorry I am typing in the dark…haw!

      • Jimmy

        Sorry Eddie but I can’t let you get away with that comment about
        Jesus.
        I don’t know where you get your opinion but Jesus is a Biblical
        person he followed scriptural principles. To include embracing
        homosexuality in his teachings is perversion and ignorant of the man.
        He accepted all who showed they want to change repent and live
        as the creator intended. Obviously the creator did not create a man
        to be with a man.

        • john

          Agreed, Eddie is so, so mislead. Talk about putting a spin on things and of all things the Bible. Unbelievable!

        • http://deleted Concerned American

          Jesus would have healed the man of this disease as he did other diseases. Mary Magdalen was forgiven and truly healed of her sense of false attraction. She followed Jesus and his teachings.

          • karolyn

            Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.

          • Cawmun Cents

            True to some extent.You see that any woman who committed adultery back in that time was widely considered a prostitute.Women who walked,or were seen on the street alone,(without an older male relative,or husband)were seen as a prostitute.So by proxi,Mary Magdalene was seen by others on the street as a prostitute.She was merely an adulteress and was guilty of a capital offense as a result.

          • Jana

            The Bible refers to Mary Magdalene as one who had 7 demons driven out of her.

    • http://none Scott

      Alexander the Great just abt. conquered the KNOWN world with a mostly homosexual army…. and the GREEKS were very well adjusted with homosexuals and men having sex with men, even young men(teenage youth) and old men…… I suspect WE could do the same if WE were not such a religious one cult society!!!!!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        If you really want that, then you are a moron! You must want lots of murder trial cases at a courts martial. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Cawmun Cents

        That thing about Alexander may be true. But he also mysteriously died at a young age,and we are not certain what he died from.Could have been A.I.D.S.

        • Robert Smith

          Very unlikley it was AIDS.

          Facts are generally mose reliable rather than bogus speculation.

          Current evidence suggests that the HIV-1 virus passed into the human population from chimpanzees around the early 20th centuery. The earliest known positive identification in humans of the HIV-1 virus comes from the Congo in 1959 and 1960 though genetic studies.

          A recent study states that a strain of HIV-1 probably moved from Africa to Haiti and then entered the United States around 1969.

          IOW, the facts don’t support your accusation.

          Rob

          • Cawmun Cents

            Your own words betray you Mr./Ms.Smith,”current evidence suggests”.Are you suggesting that there is no prior evidence of AIDS anywhere,any time?If there are no prior evidential circumstances which suggest AIDS to be a 20/21th century malady,then how would you know?The prior strain could have wiped out entire sections of previous civilizations and left no evidence.You wouldnt know because you werent there.And since it is possible that only homosexuals were being affected by it,they might not have chosen to write it into their history.Many civilizations considered homosexuality to be taboo.They might have even welcomed such a plague.Just because the current evidence suggests something to be true doesnt mean it is based in fact.It just means that no evidence has been found,or that if it has been found,it was covered up to protect the vast fortune that is spent on AIDS research today.You can make yourself rich fakinf research into a fatal disease and still never”find”the cure.

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually Alexander died from epilepsy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James

    Just another wolf in sheep’s clothing that Paul warned us about. Tidd who obviously like the rest of them in leadership in the Navy has no fear of GOD. Political hacks who care nothing about the winning of souls and everything about getting another star or doing their master Obozo’s bidding. This is the one guy who should be screaming loud and clear about GOD’s laws above man’s laws. Does this man not realize that he will be held accountable above other men, because of his position as a religious leader? Just like Rear Admiral of the Gays Mullen, Tidd obviously cares nothing about the troops and cares everything about the political end of it. How does he sleep at night knowing that he is doing the bidding of Satan, and he should know the Bible in and out enough to know that GOD views homosexuality as an abomination and yet he goes along with it. Is he afraid to take a stand for GOD? It is just mind boggling to me to see how easy these so called religious leaders have no fear of GOD and will do the bidding of those they know they should not be following. Come out of the world Christians before it is too late.

    • James

      While in esssence, I agree, I am not this ‘James’. I don’t use terms like ‘Obozo.’

  • H. Kirk Rainer

    All matters pertaining to the push for same-sex marriage or union should be viewed in the larger context of marriage, its condition.

    The condition of marriage, under the licensing and authority of the state, is like the politican who tries to be all things to all people and ends-up being nothing to no one.

    Marriage is an instituion that has long been diluted by Family Law. The present concern over same-sex marriage is just another symptom of one institution (the state) destroying another (marriage).

    For the last several decades, marriage has been diluted on the notion that one has the democratic right to dissolve their marriage (unilateral divorce); the legal system prospers…society falters…and millions of children are forced from parental care.

    So much more could be said–and has been–but the basic result has been to re-define marriage from a covenant-contract to a relationship of convenience.

    • Eddie47d

      Rainer;It’s the job of a politician to legally reflect the views of all their constituents.Not just the Republican side or the Democrats side or just the gay or black point of view etc. Sure he may favor one over the other for we all do.Yet it should always come down to liberty and justice for all not just liberty and justice for me. Now you want the State to sanction marriage between a man and a women and even enforce it with a DOMA law.Then you turn around and say the State is destroying marriage.The State is doing no such thing and is only leveling the playing field.Demanding DOMA is saying you want to entrench your rights over others.Not sure why you think the State encourages divorce since that is a married couples personal decision.The State only legalizes the paperwork and can’t stop people from disliking each other.Any law granting homosexuals equal rights doesn’t take a thing away from a heterosexual marriage. I doubt if your marriage will dissolve because a gay couple lives down the block.At least I would hope no one would be that insecure.That gay couple will probably have more problems than in your marriage but why do we want to put up more hurdles for them. It’s always strange when someone wants to make someone elses life more difficult.

      • crystal

        Stay out of the classrooms.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey crystal!

          I say the same thing to christians and their hateful bigotry and canabalism.

          STAY OUT OF THE CLASSROOMS.

          That includes your preying.

          Your dumb creationist garbage.

          Your resistance to common sense age appropriate sex education.

          Your living in fear of a vengeful god to has killed millions if you believe your bible.

          I don’t want any of that in schools.

          Rob

          • libertytrain

            Rob – a quote of yours from a previous post: “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

          • Robert Smith

            Do you think it’s right for christians to go into public schools and pervert them?

            Rob

          • Cawmun Cents

            God has been forced out of the public schools.You cant even mention Hin there.But discussing deviancy is appropriate.Well,its no mystery to me why the school system is decrepit.They took God put and put queers in….you get whhat you pay for I guess.

          • Karolyn

            Cawmun – Here where I live they still recite the Pledge every morning including “under God” and then have a moment of silence.

          • Thamera

            preying robert S? lol And all of this “brotherly love” and compassion and understanding for an alternative lifestyle coming from a man and woman (karolyn) who champion abortion and see nothing wrong with it. LOL

          • http://naver samurai

            “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” Northwest Ordinance of April 7, 1789. Written and signed by George Washington.

            “In my view, the Christian religion os the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed…” Preface, Webster’s Dictionary 1828.

            “I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence.” Noah Webster.

            “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” George Washington. Speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs, May 12, 1779.

            “The main end of a students life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life.” Harvard College student requirement upon entering.

            “It (the Bible) should be read in our schools in preference to all other books from its containing the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public temporal happiness.” Benjamin Rush

            “Unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls…and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” Samuel Adams.

            Are these enough to prove you wrong rob, you moron! Your post doesn’t hold water, just lies, rhetoric, and inuendo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • April

            Awesome post Samurai. I love the quotes and agree with them whole heartedly.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you April, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jimmy

        Hey Eddie
        Saying hetrosexuals abuse marriage is not a reason
        to pervert the intention of marriage. That of creating
        a family with a mother and father to raise children.
        Homosexual couples can never produce children or provide
        that critical male, female role for children. Why should
        society change what has been self evident since the
        beginning of time, a man and woman in marriage,to include
        what is obvioulsy a perverted relationship?

        • Robert Smith

          Quit lying to us Jimmy: “That of creating
          a family with a mother and father to raise children.”

          If that were the case no woman past menopause should be allowed to marry, and no sexualy war injured person should be allowed to marry.

          Rob

          • Thamera

            You are very defensive Robert S. which is what most people become in the face of truth.

          • Jana

            UH OH, Here is Robert and his famous L word.

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, still being the moron, eh? Care to tell us where he is lying and post some sources to back it up? Just another rant, eh? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://none Scott

      “The condition of marriage, under the licensing and authority of the state” THAT is RIGHT, the condition of marriage is some thing that any civil governmen has the right to form up, define, perform, attach condtions to, etc…..!!!!!! Marriage is really a two part condition…. in that one part is religious and is done in a cultic type setting according to that cults religious rules and beliefs, but that does not give THEM the RIGHT to define marriage for those who are NOT members of its’ cult… SO IF all these religious cult groups want to have marriage between one man and one woman, then LET THEM do so and let them make sure that NONE of their cult members ever get a divorce, for any reason!! DO NOT ASK THE STATE, civil government to give you, your cult, your religious members the civil RIGHT of DIVORCE!!!!! GET married in your religion and stay that way!!!!! Let the civil government, which is not and never has been a CHRISTIAN government do whatever IT wishes to with the “marriage” or “family” condition of any one who is NOT a member of your cult> OH, heck I forgot, YOU and all the other nuts on this issue want the USA to be CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY ruled by your little cult group, at the present time a majority, supposely, Western Jewish-Christian cult group! WELL SORRY TO INFORM YOU, but we were created a REPUBLIC, not a CHRIST THEORACY and until HE comes back or GOD sends HIM back YOU just have to live with the rest of us CIVIL folks! JUST don’t bend over, YOU might still get screwed!

      • http://naver samurai

        Why is it when someone mentions God, the Bible, etc., you morons always scream theocracy? No intelligence at all and not even worth responding to. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • April

          AMEN to THAT!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks again, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://www.jolsonbaldwin.com CLIVE BALDWIN

    St Paul said 2,000 years ago in 2nd Timothy Chapter 3 that: “in the LAST days mankind would have NO “natural affection.” Here it is folks, right in sync with the New (me first) Age. But did God induce the deficiency or is there REALLY a choice involved? Either way St Paul’s prophecy is visibly true and logic tells us we ARE in the last days. Thank God and St Paul for the timely warning…not me.

  • http://n/a John Beach

    Though it may not be the place of any citizen of this country to decide which laws they will or will not obey, the basis upon which laws are made, a simple majority of public opinion, calls into legitimate question the idea of the viability of that criterion. For a given period as a result of a vote of human opinion, the law concerning some action is such and such and, then with a vote of human opinion, the law is changed, by virtue or lack of it, in a trend in public opinion that is away from a previous trend. So, the idea that people should not pick and choose which laws they wish to obey is consistent with the idea that there is no “higher power” represented in the laws of government and, therefore, they are whimsical and fundamentally baseless, representing only a temporal whim of some individual and do not represent a consistency of policy based on a permanent principle or precept taught in religion and derived from either a belief in a higher power or the idea that specific behaviors are beneficial or detrimental, consistently, to society. What is clearly lacking in government is common sense. What will result is uncommon differences of situation ethics and morality that can not be prosecuted or corrected because they are not considered to be wrong in the first place. So, since there are no problems, there will certainly be no solutions needed. Why bother? Just pass the buck!

  • patrick

    Once again I offer 1 billion dollars cash to anyone who can show scientific proof that there is a Queer or gay gene in our DNA. Sorry weirdo’s, you were NOT born that way!!! The queer lifestyle is learned and promoted by other queer folks, which is what they have been doing for many years now, indoctoring our youth to accept their queer lifestyle as normal. These weirdos have been using our school system to brainwash young gullable students to accept them as normal, all along the parents seem to care less what the teachers are allowed to preach in classrooms, so at this point in time all these young people have now grown up with their principles flushed down the toilet to where they have now accepted queer folks as normal! Sorry folks your lose. I bet you can’t wait for the day your son brings home little Billy, his new partner that he will be putting his penis into Billy;s anus?

    • Robert Smith

      Hey patrick, doesn’t your god say you shouldn’t lie? You posted: “Once again I offer 1 billion dollars cash”

      Do you have it or not?

      If you don’t quit lying about an offer you can’t fulfill.

      Rob

      • Thamera

        It’s a well placed bet indeed Robert S. since his point is unequivocably correct and karolyn don’t pretend to know more than you do….

        • Robert Smith

          Actually they are finding more and more things genetics are responsible for. Simply because they haven’t found it yet doesn’t mean it’s not there.

          As opposed to that evil christian god that nobody has ever seen, and hasn’t heard since a burning bush.

          Rob

          • http://naver Sook Young

            Sorry Robert, but there is no gay gene as being gay is a behavior. DNA does not influence behavior. It’s not scientifically or medically sound reasoning. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Sure there is sook.

            As early as 2005: “Researchers say it’s the first time the entire human genetic makeup has been scanned in search of possible genetic determinants of male sexual orientation. The results suggest that several genetic regions may influence homosexuality.”

            The rest of the article is interesting. That’s from: http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene

            You really shouldn’t delve into absolutes that have a high propibility of proven in the near future.

            BTW, what qualifies you to make such absolutely statements? Particularly when it’s clear you are wrong. Yes, they don’t have it yet, but all indications they will.

            And then there is the testerone level theory about during gestation.

            Certainly it is NOT a choice. Why would Chaney’s daughter choose to be gay as the daughter of one of the most right wing extremists in America? Why would so many Republican politicians and right wing religious nuts “choose” to be gay?

            Rob

          • April

            Ohh GRAYCIOUS, There you go again Rob. You give false info based on biased sites that try to push an agenda thru unproven theory. You stated:

            “You really shouldn’t delve into absolutes that have a high propibility of proven in the near future.

            BTW, what qualifies you to make such absolutely statements? Particularly when it’s clear you are wrong. Yes, they don’t have it yet, but all indications they will.

            And then there is the testerone level theory about during gestation.”

            You obviously are not qualified nor are you an authority on absolutes especially regarding telling someone not to delve just because of a theory.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron, but they may be doing research and won’t find anything that supports your claim. Your site is obviously biased to the gay agenda and brings no intelligence to this conversation. Ergo, it’s not worth mentioning. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Maybe he was just saying that rob, but you have told too many lies here. Care to cite some sources about a gay gene that hasn’t been found yet? I won’t hold my breath, as you won’t find any. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Prove your god is real. Show us a picture. Play a recording.

          I ain’t gonna hold my breath.

          But genetic research is young and if past results are indicative then it is a reasonable bet that many things not yet attributed to genetics will be.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Prove God is real? That’s easy moron! Read your Bible and you’ll know he is real. Now what you need to do id to prove he isn’t real. I won’t hold my breath, because you’ll lose that battle also. Rob, it is getting to easy to defeat you and your lies these days. Must be all that extra praying I’ve been doing to defeat the enemies of God. Sook Young wants me to tell you that she is going to pray for you right now and you can’t stop her from doing so. Get ready to feel the hand of God come upon you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • April

            No one but God Himself can prove His realness to you. But you are so lost and confused that you are screaming out for help. And help is here. I pray for you Robert Smith that God will reveal Himself to you in such a way that that you are comforted and unafraid, and feel His peace and have real joy, and a sound mind so that you see the Truth and know that you are not alone.

          • Christin

            Robert Smith,

            “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
            John 20:29 [Bible]

            When a person believes in God, and trusts in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, repenting of their sins, and acknowledging that he died on the Cross for our SINS past, present and future, and he was raised from the dead and sits on the right hand side of God, then Jesus sends the Holy Spitit to live in our heart.

            God speaks to us through the Scripture in the Holy Bible, through others… believer and unbelievers, in our prayers, and through our conscience.

            Those individuals that accept Christ are ‘born again’ and their sins are thrown as far to the East and West and as deep as the deepest ocean… in other words… we are FORGIVEN… and when we die we go to Heaven as our sins have been attoned for (paid for) by the blood of Jesus Christ (the last Lamb sacrifice), the only Living God of ANY Faith or Religion.

            I can atest to the Living God for which I speak as he saved me in Sept 1986 and washed my sins away and is living in me until the end. No demon can EVER possess me as I have the living God in my heart. My body is a Temple for the Living God and we are not to hurt our temple/body with the trappings of bad living or sin. My testimony of salvation and being a new Creature in Him (turn from sin and follow the Lord) proves that God is real as does the Bible.

            May you find God in a big way, Robert, that your soul may be saved and live forever in the presence with God in Heaven instead of eternally separated from him after death in Hell.

            Best to you.

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai says to make his god real: ” Read your Bible and you’ll know he is real.”

            Tarzan, S. Holmes, Lazerous Long, and millions of others are real simply because they are in books then.

            What a crappy way to attempt to prove your god real.

            One religious book that did make things horibly real was the Maleus Malificarum. Torture anyone?

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            I don’t know those books. I go by THE BOOK called THE BIBLE.
            A lot of things are done in the name of GOD, and in the name of Christianity, but they don’t represent GOD nor HIS Word.

          • http://naver samurai

            Jana is right and Robert “moron” Smith is wrong as usual. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Cawmun Cents

        I CLAIM THE BILLION DOLLARS,Leviticus 20:,1″The Lord said to Moses.”2″Give the Israelites these instructions which apply to all those who are Israelites by birth as well as the foreigners living among you.”One of those instructions was this.Leviticus 20:13″The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties.They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense.”So of course Jesus wouldnt have said anything about homosexuals,they were to be executed immediately,for committing a capital offense.You see dear Robert,that Jesus was bound by Levitical law just as any other Isrealite was.The reason he didnt say anything about homosexuals is because they were condemned to death by the laws which were the tradition of that day.You wouldnt say anything about dead people would you?No,they cant be helped in any way.Therefeore since I have answered your question,I would like my billion dollars in pennies thank you.-CC.

        • Jana

          Good job Cawmun Cents.
          Another point is Jesus said He did not come to change one jot or one title of the law.

          • April

            We’re on the same sheet of music Jana, I just expounded on this further down.

            I like CC’s post too.

        • http://naver samurai

          Good job, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • karolyn

      It’s really very simple. We all start out female, and then when the paternal y or x chromosome is added, the sex is developed. When the mother does not provide enough testosterone for a male fetus, that child is born gay. If she has too much testosterone, the female fetus is lesbian. This is a theory I recently read about in a textbook. Why not? Sounds logical. But then I guess logic doesn’t appeal to you?

      • Jana

        karolyn,
        As you said, IT IS A THEORY.

        • Robert Smith

          As opposed to Creationism that is a lie.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Ewwwww, your favorite word LIE. Wow how creative of you!

      • http://naver samurai

        One, theories are not proven and shouldn’t be accepted as facts. Two, you read this in a textbook? This would be believeable by how far left our schools have become. You can’t use science as a crutch. There is no scientific basis for being gay, ergo not applicable in this conversation. Morons! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          There is no scientific evidence to prove your bible babble is real either samurai.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert S.,
            But there is scientific evidence, as well as historic eveidence. Also there are prohesies in the Old Testament that came true in the New Testament over a 1000 years later.
            Actually, reading about the prophesies in the Old Testament about the end times, as well as reading in the book of Revelation, is almost like reading the daily newspaper. IF YOU HAVE EYES TO SEE.

          • April

            So far Rob you are the one who has presented bible babble due to your hatred and lack of comprehension from an amazingly wide range of the spectrum. Of course your bible is different from a Christians Bible as you serve your gawwd that scares the holy light out of your mind; and We Christians serve the True Living Loving GOD Who Comforts and Guides thru difficult times, and it is such a privalege to know HIM as our Heavenly Father.

          • http://naver samurai

            Are we continuing to lie, moron? They have found Noah’s Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Dead Sea Scrolls (The Book of Isaiah), so what’s your point? Why don’t you prove your way of thinking is the right way moron? I won’t hold my breath as I know you can’t. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • JKO

    Going to be a little controversial here. In the New Testament it gives a list of “sins” that will not enter the Kingdom. Lieing, murder, stealing, etc are there as is sodomy (homosexuality). Now, follow my thinking, I choose to murder or not. I choose to steal or not. I choose to lie or not. I can go through the whole list (and it’s a fair sized list). Homosexuality is no different, you choose it or you don’t. There is no genetic proof that a certain gene causes any of these things. Anything we do that is considered sin is no more or less in God’s eyes than any other sin. If I tell a white lie I still broke God’s law and need atonement.
    I will also add that what one person does in the privacy of their own home with another consenting adult is between them and God. The day I am perfect is the day I can throw stones.
    I do NOT believe that this should be considered marriage however. We, in America have a habit of changing the meaning of words. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman and always has been. Another example is that we call America a democracy. It IS NOT, it is a representative rebulic. So if a majority of voters in a given STATE decide this is right then so be it. If I decide I don’t like it I will move to a state that agrees with me and I expect gays and lesbians to do the same.

    • Monte Poitevint

      In states where queer marriage has been placed on the ballot for popular vote it has been voted down overwhelmingly in every case. The courts of certain states have over-ridden the opinion of the majority and imposed queer marriage upon the people, despite the popular vote.
      This why in my earlier comment I wondered if the military conducting queer marriage wasn’t an attempt to impose queer marriage upon the nation as a whole. My state doesn’t recognize queer marriage, but what is the outcome when that marriage has been done by the federal government. The question becomes who determines such things: the people, the courts, or an administration hell-bent to impose its agenda without regard to law? The issue should remain a states-rights issue without interference from any branch of the central state.

      • karolyn

        WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU SO MUCH?

        • Cawmun Cents

          Why does it bother you so much that it bothers us?I like many here,think it is deviant behavior.A deviation is opposing design.You can think it is genetic all you want to but dont make it the point of education in our schools.Someone decides to deviate from design,and you think they are born that way.Be ignorant of design if you wish,but please do not force it on me or my children.And dont try to convince me that it is normal.It is a deviation from normalcy.Otherwise there would be 4 sexes instead of two.Of course I know of hermaphrodites,but they are a deviation as well.Design is about why I call marriage between a man,and a woman.It isnt a contract to be decided by states.It is the union of two bodies, designed to be opposites together.You can have all the rights of marriagwe without calling it marriage.That is just how it must be.

          • Karolyn

            Cawmun, It bothers me so much because it is WRONG to hate! And because I believe we should all love one another and accept each other as we are.

          • Thamera

            there is a difference between tolerance and acceptance karolyn…you cannot require that anyone accept anything that is repulsive to them…on the other hand, people tolerate all kinds of behavior which they do not accept. There is a big difference. For example, do you accept lewd and rude behavior karolyn, let’s say someone spits on you, let’s say the burp and fart in public, let’s say someone posts a comment you find offensive…do you accept that behavior karolyn?

          • http://naver samurai

            “Tolerance is the final virtue of a dying society.” Aristotle. Take the hint. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Cawmun Cents

            Not accepting homosexuality as a normal trait of human physiology,does not equate to hate.Why would you accuse me of that?You accuse someone of bigotry,racism,hate crimes and then you become like them,because you cannot necessarily justify your condemnation.I have only provided the letter of Levitical law and scientific evidence of deviancy and you accuse me of hatred?I never use the word perversion,and when I use the term deviancy it is applied only to the design of humans and other mammals.Get this straight ma’am,I do not hate homosexuals,I despise their deviancy.It has nothing to do with persons respectively.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Cawmun Cents… You posted: “That is just how it must be.”

            Have they found the christian gene yet?

            Have they found the hate gene yet?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, just take your moron self back into your basement and light up another doobie. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Cawmun Cents

            No Mr./Ms. Smith,there are no Christian genes,but I never made the claim that there is.It is a choice that we make,the same as homosexuality.The difference being that my choice doesnt affect you in any way.I have never been seen on television marching up and down the street proclaiming my choice.My choice of Christianity doesnt apply to another person(it takes two to tango)as your homosexuality does.It is a bond between God and myself,that I have accepted his gift to me.It doesnt mean I am better than you.I will never claim that it makes me better than you.If I was better than you,then I wouldnt need Gods gift to save me from myself.But your homosexuality doesnt need to be any more worn on your sleeve than my Chrstianity is.If you want to announce it on a soapbox,then you are affecting others.If you want to change laws which have been accepted since the dawn of time,then you are affecting me with your homosexuality.I do not wish to be affected by it.Who is more hypocritical in that case sir/ma’am?I believe that would point to you.

          • April

            Cawmun Cents, You summed up in a nutshell how I believe most of us really think and feel. Thank you!

      • JKO

        I agree Monte. I lived in Oregon where it was voted down, but the 9th circuit court stepped in. Same in California. It should TOTALLY be a states choice. Just like so many other things.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey JKO, what do you say about assisted suicide in Oregon that was voted on twice and won both times?

          Bush’s Ashcroft tried to undo that election BY THE PEOPLE.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You mean like how Dr. Death Jack Kivorkian got life in prison for doing the same thing, though THE PEOPLE said was wrong for him to do? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Quit lying Samurai. Jack did NOT get life.

            Kevorkian was found guilty of second-degree homicide. It was proven that he had directly killed a person. Youk (the guy with ALS) was not physically able to kill himself. That video was on 60 Minutes.

            The judge sentenced Kevorkian to serve 10–25 years in prison. Definately not LIFE.

            Another lie you’ve been caught in.

            In fact he was paroled for good behavior on June 1, 2007.

            He has since been lecturing and on March 12, 2008, Kevorkian announced plans to run for United States Congress to represent Michigan’s 9th congressional district. He received 8,987 votes in that election.

            Why do you lie so much samurai?

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            Samurai made a mistake. Mistakes are not called lies. Again, the reason you think everyone lies is because you serve the Father of all Liars, Satan. You can no longer tell the difference between an error or a lie.
            What a sad state you are in.
            God still loves you.

          • http://naver samurai

            By how old he was, it was life. Since you believe in going by the voice of the people, what about the people of Michigan? Since they weren’t in favor of this, shouldn’t they have had him put in jail for his actions, hmmm? Can’t have it both ways, moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Eddie47d

      I believe anyone who lives together in a loving relationship should at least consider marriage or some form of legal bond. A commitment is important whether to your life long partner,to your kids or even to a job. Be willing to give your all or don’t get involved in the relationship in the first place. If two gays want to make that commitment then good for them and they should legally be able to do so.A Civil Union should be the minimum that is afforded any gay couple and with all the rights that traditional married couples have. If you believe homosexuality is a sin then it won’t make a bit of difference what I say. I do believe then you should attempt to hate the sin but love the sinner. Since absolutely no one is without sin we must accept our neighbors as ourselves; either that or we loath ourselves too. This doesn’t mean you have to accept all your neighbors bad habits and clearly you don’t have to endorse them. If they trash their yard,are heavy drinkers or maybe they have a crack house you have a duty to tell them what you think. Be polite about it and then call authorities. We all have a right to live in a clean safe neighborhood. Yet if your neighbor has tattoos,so what. If your neighbor is gay so what. If you are Presbyterian and they are Hindu ,so what. Live and let live and don’t give them a reason to scrutinize you. Now if your neighbor is abusing their children then by all means deal with it and call authorities. If a gay couple moves in bake them some cookies and welcome them to the neighborhood.

      • Jana

        Eddie,
        I agree, whatever two consenting adults do it is their own business. When it becomes everyones business is when they try to force everyone to say its is a good thing, or it is ok and everyone should say it is.
        You did make a statement that IF homosexuality is wrong. Do you bother to read the Bible as you say you are a Christian? Or, do you do like Karolyn pick and choose what scriptures you want to follow. I know you only want to read the New Testament and forget about the Old Testament.
        Yes it is true, we all sin, but we do have a Standard which is the Word of God that we are to follow to the best of our ability. When we sin, and we all sin, then we do what is called REPENT. Ask for forgiveness and try and learn from our mistakes and turn from our wicked ways, whether they be lieing, stealing, cheating, hatred, or whatever.
        We all have something we struggle with and none of us are perfect, only Jesus and He is our example.

        • Robert Smith

          Your bible is NOT the rule of America.

          The Constitution is.

          Marriage isn’t mentioned in that.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            We were founded on Biblical beliefs and our laws on the 10 Commandments, so why are you lying again? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      From JKO: “So if a majority of voters in a given STATE decide this is right then so be it.”

      Nope. Ashcroft tried to dump the assisted suicide law voted on twice in Oregon. Do you support that?

      In over a dozen states pot is available for medical issues. The public voted on it. Do you agree with that?

      Some states are poised to legalize pot. Do you agree with that?

      If the public voted to bring slavery back would you agree with that?

      Please don’t forget the Constitution and States’ rights.

      Rob

      • Harold Olsen

        Just because something is legal does not make it right.

        • Robert Smith

          Yes, samurai’s version of brutal christanity is apparently legal.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First, you’re responding to someone else, moron. Second, are we continuing to forget the truth just to let off a good rant again? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • JKO

        There are many things in many states I do not support. But, because of our constitution, if the majority of the people in a state vote FOR something I will do one of two things. Move out of that state or try to get it on the next ballot to see if it can be overturned.

        I do support legalizing certain drugs for medical use (I would not use them myself, I don’t like the feeling of being out of control). As far as assisted suicide I can’t / won’t speak to because I have never been in the situation. I hope I would make the right one.

        As far as I am concerned it is not about me. This is America and it’s about the country. I will use legal means and constitutional means to change things.

        BTW I lived in Oregon 15 years 95-09 and voted on some of these very issues.

        • JKO

          Sorry forgot obe. Slavery is a completely different issue.

          • Robert Smith

            Actually slavery isn’t different. It was voted on in the South.

            The courts tossed it out, as they should have.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Now Robert is fabricating history. He is toooo funny.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron (rob), but it took a 4 year Civli War and the 13th Amendment to officially end slavery. The courts had nothing to do with it. You don’t sound like an American, so what country are you from? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Now look who is the moron misquoting and misrepresenting the 10th Amendment. Give it up moron. You just keep losing this debate. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • karolyn

      May I ask where this list is? I have never heard of a list that includes sodomy.

  • Robert

    while i agree we should never support homosexuality that dies off in one generation were it not for the perversion of continual influence on heterosexuals, i find it interesting the end of the article saying: “It is not the place of any citizen of this country to pick and choose which laws they are going to obey,” reads the letter. “We expect citizens sworn to defend those laws to set the example in their application.”
    it seems the folks doing the most law breaking are in D.C.

    • Christin

      You are probably right, Robert.

      The quote, “The ends justify the means” comes to mind….

      I guess some live life ramming their agenda no matter who is hurts or how bad it is… just as long as they get what they want… spoiled, irresponsible children.

      • Robert Smith

        And if christanity is in schools more christians.

        Rob

        • April

          True Christianity doesn’t hurt children but helps. Homosexuality does serious damage. You accuse Christians of hate. But it is you that hates insomuch you care more for the rights of the perverted than for keeping laws in place that protect our children. Shame on you and those with your warped thinking!

          • Christin

            Thanks April.
            It seems the attackers are out in full force today on this topic.

            Those that wish to go against God, must demonize and discredit those that don’t, to justify their thoughts and behaviors.

          • Thamera

            Yep, and all of this coming from a man (Robert S.)who sees nothing wrong with abortion even calling an unborn child a parasite…but by gawd, you horrible Christians! Leave those gays alone! LMAO twice!~

          • Robert Smith

            April says: “True Christianity doesn’t hurt children but helps.”

            Tell that to the children who’s parents followed David Koresh.

            Tell that to the children of Jonestown.

            Rob

          • Jana

            See what happens Robert when you don’t know what you are talking about and you open your silly mouth? She said TRUE CHRITIANITY. If you knew True Christianity you would know the difference between true and false. There are a lot of false religions and false teachers out and about besides yourself.

          • http://naver samurai

            Tell that to all the atheist people that harmed millions in history. You know Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Mihn, Genghis Khan, etc. These people are responsible for the deaths of at least 100 million people. What about the muslims that are responsible for the killing of 270 million people in various jihads since the founding of islam. Get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Ah, I get it!

            poosted: “She said TRUE CHRITIANITY.”

            Ah, and the “true” christanity is represented here as a brutal and hateful god that rules through fear.

            I’ll bet Osama believed his version to be true for Muslums.

            Why do you get to define christanity rather than someone like Bishop Spong?

            Why do you get to define christanity rather than all those pedophile priests?

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert S.,
            I don’t define TRUE CHRISTIANITY, God does. I am a student of the WORD OF GOD. I study daily, not occasionally. This way I can know and understand the definition of TRUE CHRISITANITY.
            Remember Rob, God loves you.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bishop Spong is no true Christian and should be cast out of the church for his ungodly beliefs and practices. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          GAYS ARE NOT ALL PEDOPHILES! Children do not NEED protection from them. It is such a horrible misconception, especially coming from people who may have never even TALKED to a gay person, let alone been friends with one!

          • Thamera

            I may have missed it but I didn’t see any posts saying that all homosexuals are pedophiles…I have worked with many gay men, I have former students that are gay and I have a father-n-law who did irreversible damage to his wife and children who passed away from aids shortly after embracing his homosexual lifestyle. I have a good relationship with the gay men that I work with at least they aren’t as “in your face” as the lesbians I have encountered(gag) and I have a very good relationship with my former students who have also embraced a homosexual lifestyle but I do not accept it as “eh okay.” Again, tolerance and acceptance, 2 different things or as Eddie47 said “love the sinner not the sin” The rest will be between them and their maker.

          • Jana

            Thamera,
            Very well put, and my sentiments exactly.
            They are also the sentiments of the Bible.
            The only problem is we have so many people on here who want to discredit the Bible or distort the Bible. That, will not be tolerated, expecially when we know the truth.

          • Robert Smith

            Jana says: “The only problem is we have so many people on here who want to discredit the Bible or distort the Bible. That, will not be tolerated, expecially when we know the truth.”

            Yup, so you admit you are willing to force christanity upon others.

            On the other hand gays just want to be left alone to live, marry, bring up kids, and just be like any other American family.

            Sure there are some who are abusive, but I’ll bet they are far less as a percentage than abusive christians. Particularly around here.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            NOPE, just not gonna sit quietly by while people like you spread lies and deceptions.

          • Robert Smith

            Thamera says: “I may have missed it but I didn’t see any posts saying that all homosexuals are pedophiles…”

            Not all priests are pedophiles either. They may or may not be gay. But the ones who are tend to be expensive for the church.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            And they should be expensive for the Catholic Church. The ones who knowingly harbor these sins and protect these men, will have to pay to a much higher authority than mere man.
            God is our ultimate Judge. He is a fair and honest judge that cannot be bought, but He knows the heart of the person too. Nothing can escape his knowledge, so no matter how much a person tries to white wash what he has done, it will not work. On the same vein, when we enter into the judgement day, we will also be rewarded for the good we have done. Judgement day will be fearful for some, and joyful for others.

        • http://naver samurai

          Read the earlier post I gave you about Christianity in our schools. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Tony

    Heterosexuals to the majority have been in closets all the time in history being gays or lesbian in the dark as teachers, politicians, ministers, in ALL roles and thinkable positions. Famale or child rapes have been committed by heterosexuals for the most part. A diferent community is only asking for a right to share things under a law that only allow to share things under a marriage that has also been contaminated by heterosexuals who abuse their wifes and children or who stay in marriage even when is broken making their kids live in hell just because their is a mom and dad. I have not heard any homosexuals asking for the right to be perverts or to be allow to break any laws. Being afraid of social acceptance is being afraid of personal acceptance. Does society want homosexuals back in the closet? Is it better to know who we are dealing with? Is society being relieve of most taboos? Why not one more?

    • crystal

      Male on boy rape is homosexuality. You can try to carve it any way you want but it is what it is. Jesse Dirkhising’s father had your opinion.

      • Eddie47d

        Crystal and Christin; Aren’t you ignoring the fact that almost all rapes are committed by heterosexuals and that ALMOST all child molestations are done by heterosexuals. Sure it is a sin either way but you are overlooking the bigger problem. You are going after a very small minority of people in this country by HIGHLIGHTING their sins and downplaying the sins of the majority. That is open and blatant discrimination against a class of people to further your agenda. This attitude reminds me of a story in the local paper last week. At the turn of the last century thousands of Chinese were brought over here to build our railroads and after the railroads were built some of these laborers didn’t have enough money to go back so they settled in various cities. They were forced to live in the worst neighborhood no matter what job they had or social status. That was true of many immigrant groups over the years. Rumors spread and the Chinese were labeled as lazy or rapists or spreading of disease. None of those accusations were true but what is a small minority of people to do. Some felt compelled to move instead of being harassed. A hundred years later we are still finding scapegoats for our own troubles and accusing people of things they didn’t do. We feel compelled to hate the other guy and it seldom seems right.

        • Robert Smith

          But their gawwwwwwd approves of the hate.

          Rob

          • john

            Talk about hate, you sound like the hateful one with your hateful tirades!

          • karolyn

            Robert – What you have wrong is that it’s not God but Christians who are so hateful. And I even know plenty of Christians who are accepting of Gays. They are the true followers of Jesus.

          • libertytrain

            Rob Smith infamous quote: “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

          • Thamera

            Thank you for that karolyn…and Robert S. you sure are Pi**ed about something!

          • http://naver samurai

            This comming from a moron that believes in Christian bashing anytime he wants. Remember moron, bashing someone because of their religious beliefs is a crime. It’s called hate speech. Get the point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • April

            Robert
            Your gawwwd may hate as you are a pompous testimonial windbag who consistantly proves that point.

            And Eddie47d, you state, “Crystal and Christin; Aren’t you ignoring the fact that almost all rapes are committed by heterosexuals and that ALMOST all child molestations are done by heterosexuals. Sure it is a sin either way but you are overlooking the bigger problem. You are going after a very small minority of people in this country by HIGHLIGHTING their sins and downplaying the sins of the majority. That is open and blatant discrimination against a class of people to further your agenda.”

            Eddie, you are ignoring the subject, “Gay Marriages in the Military”. Christin and Crystal are addressing what pertains to the subject. I have not seen them downplay or make escuses for any sin. Sin is sin. Wrong is wrong; and Right is Right. You and the warped like minded want to make excuses for the poor me baby minority who want to infringe their way on the majority and want to downplay sin. You make no good case as you try to defend the little people who are Wrong instead of standing up for what is Right. Do you even know the difference? Your words give the appearance that you are clueless to know the difference between Right and Wrong!

          • Eddie47d

            April, Do YOU even have a clue what discrimination is no matter who does it. Gay Americans ARE Americans and should be afforded the same rights as all. What part of that don’t you understand? Nobody is taking away your rights so why are some people so obsessed with denying others their rights.

          • April

            Eddy47d
            DO YOU even know what discrimination is? Obviously NOT, or you discriminate against the Average American Citizen to further your own homosexual agenda. Are you looking for an excuse to come out of the closet?? Go ahead, it’s your right!!

          • Jana

            Eddie 47,

            Gay Americans are Americans. Well DUH!.

            The problem is , THEY ARE trying to take away my rights!!!
            I should have the right to say what the Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord without being afraid. I should have the right to NOT have homosexualtiy taught to my children in school. I should have the right to NOT be forced to accept homosexuality as natural or be forced to say its a good thing.

            This perversion is a fact of life, but that doesn’t mean that I have to embrace it.
            I don’t like it when I see a heterosexual couple making out in public, no more than when homos do it.

            April may be right. Maybe you are looking at coming out of the closet. What you do in the privacy of your own home is up to you, but keep it private!

            You CLAIM you are a Christian, but you certainly don’t talk like you know what God’s Word says. You seem to go AGAINST what the Bible says more than you stand for what the Bible says.

          • http://naver samurai

            Good job Jana and April. Stick to your guns and they’ll go running back home with their tails between their legs. Like the dogs they are. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jay

          Eddie, where are you getting your statistics that you present as facts???? Please site sources!

      • Robert Smith

        Crystal proclaims: “Male on boy rape is homosexuality. You can try to carve it any way you want but it is what it is.”

        How come there is such a high percentage and a club atmosphere among priests who rape kids? Seems to me their version of christanity is pretty evil. So many are in jail, and so much money from the plate has gone to pay for their not sins, but CRIMES.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          I see you must send them lots of e-mails on a daily basis, eh moron? What the priests did was wrong true, but it has nothing to do with Christianity. Just their choices. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Cawmun Cents

          yeah I wonder how many cases that havent even been reported are just NAMBLA members,out in society at large?A priest who uses his position to do horrible acts to children will have a special punishment by God.But it is no less a sin for members of NAMBLA to walk the earth.A molester is a molester,and they are deviants as well.I consider priests who use ther power and influence to molest children to be among the very lowest form of life on the planet.That being said they like you Robert are deviants.The only difference between their deviancy and yours is that their deviancy is predatory in nature.But no less than that you culd be seen by many to be docile,but your predatory nature come out when you seek to make deviancy part of normal accepted societal practice.Then,you will seek to decry Christianity,which is where your predatory nature seems to flourish.So we see that you are actually not much different from the molester,as you are technically molesting us(christians)on this thread. So now can you see that we perceive your predatory nature in relation to your deviancy?

          • Robert Smith

            Catholic priest Richard R. Lavigne was one of the founders.

            How christian of him. Then the organization covered it up. How christian of them.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            A lot of people do things in the NAME of Christianity. Satan is a great imitator, but he is an imposter, and has to distort and destroy. Of course Satan is going to try and destroy the name of God and HIS Son Jesus, and distort the truth with evil.
            This is just ONE of the ways we discern when it is of God and when it is not.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bishop Spong is about the same. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Jimmy

      Tony you seem to be confused Homosexuality is a perverion
      look up the definition of perversion. But then again you
      homosexuals are good at redefining words. Gay used to mean
      happy, discriminating used to be someone who didn’t fall for
      any perversion that comes along. Man on Man is a perversion
      always has been and always will be no matter how sucessful
      you are in changing the laws on a sleeping society. No one I
      see is denying you the right to have your partner only your
      inferior choice does not qualify for marriage.

      • Christin

        Jimmy,
        Good post.

      • http://none Scott

        POOR little Jimmy, I guess if it were Jimmy & Eve in the GARDEN, then he would not have had SEX with Satan, after he had done Eve and so Jimmy would have refused to have “eaten” the APPLE..!!!!!! OH HECK, I forgot, Jimmy’s Bible does say IT was the “eating of an apple” that was the downfall of Adam, not the fact that Adam had sex with Satan, found it enjoyable and changed the WHOLE PLAN OF GOD!!
        But heck when one believes that IT was an apple and not what IT really was, then one has a real problem from the get-go!!!!!! Of course HIS pastor, preacher, rev., father, whatever is NOT going to tell Jimmy the TRUTH!!!!!!!

        • Thamera

          And YOU know the truth Scott??? LOL

        • http://naver samurai

          What is the truth, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Jimmy says: “Man on Man is a perversion
        always has been and always will be no matter how sucessful
        you are in changing the laws on a sleeping society.”

        So is canabalism. Remember that transsubstanciation.

        Eat any good saviors lately yourself there, Jimmy?

        Rob

        • libertytrain

          Rob says: “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

        • http://naver samurai

          Always willing to twist someone’s words to fit your agenda, eh moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            What’s to twist samurai?

            It really is the flesh and blood of jesus according to jesus himself.

            What’s being twisted? When you eat flesh and drink bood it’s called canabalsim.

            BTW, I’m looking for a little electric chair I can put on a chain and wear around my neck. It seems to be in fashion to wear execution devices these days. Maybe I’ll just make a noose and wear that. Seems easier. Too bad the christians got the easiest one of all, the cross.

            Do you wear a cross samurai?

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            and per Rob – “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.”

          • Jana

            Robert,
            We are told to symbolically “eat of His flesh,” and symbolically “drink of His blood”. He told us Himself what symbols to use at the last supper. The BREAD is symbolic of being spiritually fed, and spiritually alive. The WINE is symbolic of HIS blood that He shed for our sins, and of HIS life flowing through our spiritual bodies.

            There is no mystery here.

          • http://naver samurai

            Ah yes. Rob is sniffing glue again! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Christin

      Tony,
      “Taboo”… really? Homosexuality is a “Sin.”

      Do you consider ‘rape’ a taboo, too?

      Rape by anyone, heterosexual or homosexual, is a “Sin.”

      See my quotes from my source above.

      Jimmy’s right… you are changing the WORDS and their meaning to justify inappropriate behavior.

      • http://naver samurai

        Good job, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Right…. “Rape by anyone, heterosexual or homosexual, is a “Sin.””

        It’s more importantly a CRIME. People don’t go to jail for “sins.” Otherwise Micky D’s would be out of business on cheesburgers, etc.

        And a lot of christians have put money in the plate to take care of the CRIMES of priests.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          First, eating cheeseburgers isn’t a sin, bad health choice, but not a sin. Second, do you really need to tells these lies again and show how little you really know about things in this world? Third, do you always have to bash Christians with hate speech, which is against the law? What a moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Cawmun Cents

            Eating cheeseburgers and the symbolic flesh of our Lord is a bad choice?But homosexuals eating away at society like a flesh eating virus isnt?Hmmm…I think I’ll stick with the trans-substantiation,and the cheeseburgers thank you.By the way….had a cup of the Lords symbolic blood lately?I hear its more healthy than homosexual blood given to bloodbanks.But what do I know?Apparently very little…..

          • Jana

            Robert Smith,
            You are trying to include all priests. Not all priests are bad just as not all athiests are bad people.It is sad atheists don’t know God, THE TRUTH, but some have said no thank you, and God WILL NOT force Himself on anyone! Not all of us attend the Catholic Church either or have a priest. I have a pastor, a teacher of the WORD.

            Robert the way you keep coming back to this subject makes me have to ask, were you molested by a priest when you were a child? Or did you have someone very close to you molested by a priest?

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai says: “First, eating cheeseburgers isn’t a sin, bad health choice, but not a sin.”

            Ain’t bashing if it’s true, samurai.

            As you admit it isn’t healthy. “The body is God’s temple, and too many cheeseburgers messes up the temple…” – a reference to 1 Corinthians 6

            And then you can go to the same Leviticus used to justify the abuse against gays and in chapter 11 get the dietary rules prohibiting that meat and milk mixing thing.

            Shucks it’s YOUR brutal justifications from your interpritations of your bible. Don’t all of them apply samurai?

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            If you understood God’s word, you would know that there are sins that would cause us to be eternally seperated from God, and sins that would cause us to harm our bodies, but would not cause us eternal damnation. God only wants us to live health productive lives, so He gives us health laws.
            This is why we STUDY the Bible, to know and understand what is being taught.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but you’re still bashing and taking things out of context. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • JKO

      EVER HEARD OF NAMBLA

      • Thamera

        Exactly JKO

      • Robert Smith

        Hi JKO,

        Sure have. One of the early enthusiasts who worked hard on the beginnings was priest Richard Roger Lavigne. He was convicted of abusing children.

        He was also the lead suspect in the murder of a kid.

        Another one of those catholic christian abusers.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Still sniffing glue, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jay

            Samurai, not only does he sniff it, he also manufactures it!

        • Robert Smith

          Strange samurai. A CONVICTED pedophile priests is part of the creation of NAMBLA and you don’t see the christian roots is such an abusive organization?

          My my… Quite frankly I think you’ve been sniffing the glue samurai.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            There are no Christian roots in this man. He was a tool of Satan, the deceiver. He only pretended to be a Christian.

          • April

            Your right Jana; “…by their fruits we shall know them”. This individual only pretended to be a Christian to give True Christianiity a bad name to decieve folks who are weak minded like poor Robert Smith. I hope and pray that he will start to become wise and have a change of heart. But GOD never forces, HE only invites.

          • http://naver samurai

            Jana and April, you both are correct and Rob is just venting is anger towards God. He tends to do this at people or things he doesn’t understand. Shows what little intelligence and God he has in him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    we have enough mlitary that is gay it is a disgusting way of life.

    • http://none Scott

      GEE, when you are out on the battlefield and bombs and bullets are flying, one needs some relief from the stress and strain…. so why not allow the guys to get IT ON with each other? THEY are already doing it, all over the world and the STRAIGHT GUYS like IT as much as the GAY GUYS do…… what you folks don’t want to admit is that all this SEX is just a normal part of life!!!! GET OVER SEX!!!!!!!

      • Thamera

        You ARE a perversion in and of itself Scott…it’s amazing how humans will go to any lengths to justify what they want.

        • Robert Smith

          Yes, I see those who call themselves christians around here doing that a lot.

          Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        It’s obvious that you have never served or been in battle. Just shut up and get moving back into your mothers basement. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          No issues again samurai, just attacking people in the name of your god again, eh samurai.

          How christian of you.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Scott was talking about the battlefield, a place I’ve been to and he hasn’t. Talking nonsense again moron. How would you know? You said you were in the navy in 1946 or was it during Vietnam, it’s hard to keep your lies straight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Conservative United

    I say let the Fags and Lesbian, do their immoral acts if they choose in there own places, but do not force this BS down my throat. Marriage is between one man and one woman, only. It is time for the majority to step up and take action and put this FREAK SHOW where it belongs, BACK IN THE CLOSET. Or send all the Fags and Lesbians and other assorted cross dressers etc to any of the Muslim countries, and see how long they last until the muslims stone them or execute them.

    • Robert Smith

      Conservative [sigh]… Your version of: “Or send all the Fags and Lesbians and other assorted cross dressers etc to any of the Muslim countries, and see how long they last until the muslims stone them or execute them.”

      Sounds to me like what you would do as the christian American taliban if you thought you could get away with it.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry moron, but the taliban are muslims and go by sharia law, so what’s your point? Always saying something moronic, aren’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Cawmun Cents

        If we followed religious law,you’d already be dead.Problem is that life liberty and the pursuit of happiness(our own civil law)would still preclude us from desposing of you.Ironicly enough,it doesnt keep women from choosing to dispose of a life they have helped create.So by that definition,all bets are off.

    • karolyn

      They are not forcing it down anyone’s throat. Is there a gay person at your door forcing you to participate or watch? You don’t even have to comment on it should you wish to not recognize it. Don’t read about it either.

      • Thamera

        gay parades come to mind karoyln as well as just trying to walk down the sidewalk on the strip in Nevada, public displays of affection, forcing same sex marriage on people… that’s not force karolyn? Reality TV shows, sitcoms, even movies like Mama Mia have all be written to include the homosexual lifestyle…which is NOT accepted by the majority of Americans or the globe for that matter. The majority do not want same sex marriage…the only reason that it is in some places is because our tyrannical courts consistently overturn the will of the people…

        • Robert Smith

          Remember Thamera, that Supreme Court was created by our Founding Fathers.

          Who are you to judge them?

          Rob

          • Jay

            Robert says: Who are you to judge them?

            Robert, Thamera is an American citizen, and yes, she has the right to judge the courts if she believes that they are comporting themselves contrary to her beliefs! You, also, as an American citizen have the right to judge the courts and government should they conduct themselves contrary to your core beliefs! Should the courts refuse to recognize the gay lifestyle and deny all entitlements, no doubt, you, would be the first to judge the courts! So stop wagging your self-righteous finger at people who don’t agree with you, you only end up loosing your credibility!

          • Jana

            EXACTLY RIGHT JAY.

          • http://naver samurai

            Good job Jay and welcome, fellow patriot. He’s been doing this nonsense the whole site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Cawmun Cents

        Oh but when you are changing military policy,or creating laws that give you entitlements which should not exsist,then you are forcing it upon us.

        • April

          Soo true Cawmun Cents!!

        • Robert Smith

          What “entitlements?”

          It works like this… Two boys and two girls.

          You have no problem when a boy marries a girl and a boy marries a girl. TWO couples.

          But if the boy marries the boy and the girl marries the girl… Well, it’s still TWO couples. How are they taking anything they wouldn’t otherwise get?

          Why do you lie? There are no special “entitlements” that are being asked for.

          MOF, without your brutal christanity there is NO reason same sex couples can’t be treated equally. There is NO reason you can cite that doesn’t apply to boy & girl couples.

          Rob

          • Cawmun Cents

            Quite simply put,(Realizing that putting something simply is the only way you will get it)it is the entitlement of calling a homosexual union”marriage”.And yes…that would be considered an entitlement.Because in the history of mankind it has never been written that homosexual unions were tantamount to marriage.If you are dexterous,then you can cite where this can be found.but realize that if your findngs are from writings done within the past 50 years you will be disqualified.As revisionist history does not necessarily count.-CC.

          • Robert Smith

            In the United States of America “marriage” is a contract offered by the government between two people. It has absolutely no connection to religion (that’s against the Constitution of establishing religion). Besides, atheists can get married. Why don’t you object to them too?

            Clue: It relates to the hate for gays by the extreme right.

            Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            It does when they try to “force” a pastor of a Christian Church to perform the ceremony. This is one of their agenda’s by the way.

      • Jay

        Karolyn, it wasn’t meant literally! Come on, you can’t be that big of a dolt!!!

        • Robert Smith

          How much stuff from the christian bible is taken literally, even when it isn’t very clear, whe it shouldn’t be?

          Looks to me like there are a bunch of christian dolts.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert S,
            The only reason the Bible isn’t clear to you is because you are looking at it with scales over your eyes. Yes, Satan has you blinded to the TRUTH, and Jesus is that TRUTH.

  • patrick

    My idea would be to exterminate these queer people. I think Plunkette’s would come up with a group pricing for a nation wide extermination of these queer’s. And since it takes one to know one, Obammy boy is promoting these queer people so he should be included in the extermination.

    • SC

      Interesting thought. Do YOU know one?

    • karolyn

      patrick, you have obviously never known a gay person. What if it were someone in your own family?

      • Christin

        Love the person, Hate the sin.

        • Karolyn

          Christin – I sure don’t hear a lot of love from the majority of Christian posters here.

          • Thamera

            But you do from the homosexual supporters do you karolyn? Like Scott and Robert S? LOL

          • Christin

            Karolyn,
            I come to learn that ‘you only hear what you want to hear.’

            And I’ve come to know that you pretty much hate Christians and detest anyone talking about Christianity.

            You have made up a God whom you can accept and rules You want to live by and can’t quite figure out why everyone else isn’t on board with You.

            I guess you can’t see the Love some of the Christian posters have by speaking TRUTH to you and others even if they know they will be condemned by verbally attacks from YOU and the others.

            Where is Your Love?

          • Jana

            Christin,
            Very good reply and oh so true.

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn’s convoy just took a direct hit. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      “My idea would be to exterminate these queer people.”

      More violience from the extreme right.

      How christian of you.

      Rob

    • Jay

      patrick, sorry dude, waaay over the top!!! Don’t count me in!

  • Freddie

    I’m not buying into the idea that people can do whatever they want because they are a certain way. I cannot state that people are NOT born gay. However, I can state that is a choice to act on it. Inside of me, I am a murderer. However, I do not (nor have I) act upon it by choice. If we feel bad for those who are in this situation, why don’t we just feel bad for everyone who cannot have it their way.

    For those who have never served, don’t try to force your ideals on the military. Society demands we be held to a higher standard, but wants to force us down to the rest of society with their “norms”. They are not normal in the military and I don’t care that other countries do it. If someone wants what other countries have, then they are free to leave and make their life there, no one is stopping them. People need to stop trying to make America into what other countries are. We are no longer a special place and I want to see us return to that ideal in my lifetime.

    • karolyn

      How far back do you want it to return to? Pre 70s with segregation intact? Should the KKK return? This is still a special place. You just fail to recognize it.

      • Jana

        Freddie,
        Very good post, and I agree with you.

        • http://naver samurai

          I agree also and Karolyn there are still members of the KKK in Indiana. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Eddie47d

      Freddie; Uganda just passed their anti-homosexual law yesterday(5-11). They wanted to includes instant death by hanging if they were found out and anyone who knew they were homosexual would be jailed.That part was voted out. The new law puts gays in prison until they are willing to change their ways. Now this new law and the one they were hoping for was pushed and partially written by American Christians. Being a Christian myself I find this new law appalling and a dangerous precedent. To say certain Christian groups in America won’t try the same thing here would be naive at best. I do not fear gays in the military but I do keep an eye out for extremists on the left and right.

      • Jay

        Eddie, on this one thing I will agree with you. The death penalty or/and imprisonment for gays is, in my opinion, way over the top!!! No doubt. However, I do find it hard to believe that the law was drafted in part or in whole by American Christians. What Christians? Is there a particular strain of Christians I have not heard about? Could you be a little more specific on that? Could you provide a source? ChristiansI know, including myself, find that particular law not only unacceptable but heinous as well. Your statement, it was American Christians who drafted part of that law, is rather sweeping, and keep in mind, it also includes you and me in the mix! For as you stated, you are a Christian. Are you confused by labels perhaps? Anyone can wear a label, commit atrocities, and bring ill repute to that which the label represents. What better way to undermine and discredit Christianity, its been going on since the birth of Christianity.

    • Robert Smith

      Asss Freddie, thanks for your comment: “We are no longer a special place and I want to see us return to that ideal in my lifetime.”

      America saw great growth when slavery was in place. Want that back?

      America saw great growth when drugs were legal. Want to end the war on drugs and make them legal again?

      America saw great growth with the robber barons. Want them back?

      Rob

      • Jay

        Robert Smith Says:

        America saw great growth when slavery was in place. Want that back?

        Robert, we still have slavery but its face has changed. Slaves are no longer referred to as blacks, they are now called taxpayers!

        America saw great growth when drugs were legal. Want to end the war on drugs and make them legal again?

        Robert, Drugs are still legal and drug dealers still make a killing, except they are not called drug dealers, they are called pharmaceutical companies!

        America saw great growth with the robber barons. Want them back?

        Robert, they never left! Again, they are not called robbers and barons, they prefers the title, Government!

  • Harold Olsen

    I’m glad the Navy has reversed itself on allowing gay marriage and I hope they do not change their minds again. If they do, I would hope they would not FORCE chaplains to perform marriages. Any true Christian knows that homosexuality is a sin and by performing the ceremony I believe chaplains would be committing a sin if they were doing it willingly. If they are forced, it would be a violation of their constitutional right of freedom of religion, which the left reads as freedom FROM religion.

  • Freddie

    Karolyn,

    I do recognize that we are approaching the bottom. I am old enough to remember what this country used to be like 40 years ago. Government has taken our country away from The People and we The People have allowed it. You are driving down the wrong road regarding race, so you shouldn’t insinuate bigotry on my part regarding that. I’m referring to the ideal that our Framers designed for us, their posterity.

    • karolyn

      Everything changes. Nothing stays the same forever.

      • Jana

        Karolyn,

        Some things shouldn’t change.

      • Jay

        Karolyn says: Everything changes. Nothing stays the same forever.

        Karolyn, what do you mean by everything, and what do you mean by nothing?

      • Christin

        karolyn,

        We are to continually CHANGE to be like Christ in our Christian walk with Jesus.

        He(God) is the Potter , WE are the clay…
        In other words, God (Potter) molds us (clay) to be more like Him.

        “Change my heart, oh God, make it ever true,
        Change my heart, oh God, make it just like You.
        You are the Potter, I am the clay
        Mold me and make me this is what I pray

        But God is the SAME yesterday, today and tomorrow.

        • April

          Never change Christin. I bet you are as lovely on the outside as you are in spirit. Every post you do is loving and uplifting. Thankyou for that. Stay Strong and Beautiful.

          • Christin

            April,

            Thank you for those sweet and encouraging words… I appreciate it ever so much :)

          • http://naver samurai

            I second that! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • karolyn

      And I remember this country more than 40 years ago.

    • http://none Scott

      Sorry to shoot down your dream, but this country has NEVER been what you folks are trying to claim it is/ or was/ or should be…!!!!!! Just go do a little family genealogy for a couple hundred yrs. and YOU will find that YOU ARE NOT who YOU think YOU ARE!!!! We are going down hill over much larger issues then SEX between men or between women…. BELIEVE THAT and you will believe any thing!!!! TAKE off your rosy color glasses and see life, this country, the citizens in it as they should be seen. People just like you!!!!!!!! GOD’S CREATION!!!!!!!!!

      • Thamera

        You get a big WHATEVER there scotty boy…you sure don’t like yourself very much do you…

      • Jana

        That’s all right Scott, go ahead and believe your lies and misconceptions.

        • http://naver samurai

          Scott sounds like his morals, self esteem, and intelligence are all one thing, low. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • April

        You are right Scott, You are sorry! You can only go back a couple hundred years?? You really do not know who we are or where we came from. Really sad Scott.

        • Robert Smith

          Just over a hundred years ago most drugs were legal, prostitution was legal, the robber barons were taking advantage, gun laws were very few, there were few health standards…

          Ahhh yes, the good “old” days. There are a few things I’d like to see come back.

          Rob

          • Jay

            Robert, surely you can find some positives from the “Good old days”. Come on, think, you can do it!

      • Jay

        Scott, the only dream you shot down, was yours! But you are correct about one thing, we are all God’s creation, however, we are not all the same! Sorry, but I won’t be singing cum ba ya with you anytime soon!

  • http://com i41

    karolyn, the new KKK is already here , it is called “affermative action policy”, if you are white,and especially a white male, as the crosbred marxist muslim (offensive word removed) said to people who don’t agree with him. Go to the back of the bus and get out. The “new KKK” is loaded down with democraps as the old group was, only this “new” group is comprised of Black Panthers, La Raza, Cario, multi muslim pedophile worshippers, and any other abhorant perverts that can be corraled. Queers need to be sent to the Congo and other cannibal group hunting grounds to be thinned out. Being a faggot or a lesbo is by choice, Onumnutts was a queer and a drug user. But if you faggot defending feinds are going to defend the beleif, that it is ingrained from birth. Then Onumnutts is still a faggot with a marxist/communist agends of drug use still happening,he is kind of a marxist/communist loving libatarian.

    • Eddie47d

      You need to read more i41 and it’s funny you mentioned the Congo. It’s a proven fact that the Congo is an extremely dangerous place and mostly from renegades from the Rwanda genocide 17 years ago. The Congolese military is also out of control. 50 rapes an hour take place in that country which is 1,200 a day and this is going on everyday. They are brutalizing their women and this is by heterosexual men not homosexuals. Their women are desperately trying to get out of that country and you have the audacity to even suggest someone be sent there. Since most of us on this site know how you think I believe we can say you are the one with the perverted mind.

      • Jay

        Eddie Says: They are brutalizing their women and this is by heterosexual men not homosexuals.

        And this you no doubt heard it on CNN. I see!

    • Karolyn

      i41 – the amount of hate that spews from your mouth never ceases to amaze me!

      • Robert Smith

        But he’s so much like the christians around here. He fits right in.

        Rob

        • Jay

          Robert Says: But he’s so much like the christians around here. He fits right in.

          You’re a pretty good fit yourself Robert. Are you sure your not a Christian? If not, you sure love to hang around them! Hmm…

      • Jay

        Karolyn, since when is hate synonymous with truth? Are you confused?

  • Pete

    The America military is just turning GAY. That’s a fact, jack !

    Is it really “fair” to comment on this overwhelming “trend” ?? Heh heh !!!

    You people put Obama in office. YOU KNEW HE IS PRO-GAY RIGHTS !!! So we can safely say MOST AMERICANS are for GAY SOLDIERS/SAILORS RiGHTS, and among these constitutional rights is the Pursuit of Happiness in same-sex marital bliss…….

    But personally, I DON’T WANT TO BE IN SODOM/GOMORRAH WHEN THE FIRE and BRIMSTONE starts RAINING DOWN !!!!

    I heard that Alexander the Great’s 100,000 warriors were gay ….look at how they conquered the world … HEH HEH !!

    • Robert Smith

      Pete says: “I DON’T WANT TO BE IN SODOM/GOMORRAH WHEN THE FIRE and BRIMSTONE starts RAINING DOWN !!!”

      Gonna jump right to the part where you get to screw your daughters like Lot did, Pete?

      Rob

      • libertytrain

        “Ahhhhh, such word play to insult others and steal their rights.” said Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Why are you repeating that lie over and over again? Is your mind like a scratched record? You know it plays then it comes to that scratch and it jumps back to where it was before? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Dee

    Letting gays or lesbions get married is so disgusting.
    This is going to ruin the military.
    How will the G.I.’s feel that are straight to have one of these people hit on them? This damn government has no morals.

    • Eddie47d

      Over the years I’ve heard women say the exact same thing about men hitting on them.Gay men and women generally don’t hit on each other in straight bars and don’t troll for straight men or women. You are over blowing the military fears.They will work it out.

      • Karolyn

        I have heard soldiers interviewed who have said that they have fought side-by-side with their gay brethren; and they are steadfast fighters to be admired.

        • Thamera

          And that earns you a big “SO WHAT” karolyn…no one said anything about their ability to fight…”gay brethern” can also be really good cooks and hairdressers and businessmen, artists, entertainers, construction workers, school teachers and foodservers etc., that doesn’t make their choice of lifestyle any more palatable for people that truly believe that it is a perversion….Eddie you sure do draw a lot of lines in the sand, do you realize that?

          • Eddie47d

            I could say the same about you but only you’re hairdresser knows for sure.

        • Jana

          karolyn,
          Have you ever heard of orders. When the CO gives orders they HAVE to be followed. I had a friend who was to be interviewed by the press, and he was told BEFORE the interview how he was to respond.
          So much for your theory.

        • http://naver samurai

          Probably ones that aren’t in the army, now are they? Don’t even get me started about what would have happened if a soldier in my platoon would be found to be gay. You don’t want to know. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Eddie47d

            Point proven! You are a dangerous person and thanks for confessing.

          • April

            Eddie47d
            Point Proven! SAMURAI’s A MAN!!! What are You???

          • Jana

            April,
            From the way he talks only Ralph, his hairdresser, knows for sure.

          • Jay

            Eddie says: Point proven! You are a dangerous person and thanks for confessing.

            Eddie, Samurai is a soldier, he’s supposed to be dangerous! War is about killing and breaking things not kissing and dancing. Come on bro, get with the show!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank goodness you weren’t with me in Iraq or Afghanistan edduh! You would really know how dangerous I was then. That was before I went back to church in 2004. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            samurai,
            You sound like my husband. Someone asked him why he smiled so much, and he answered him, “You don’t want to see me when I’m not smiling.”
            My husband is a warrior too. I have met some of the men he served with and they hold my husband in high esteem as he led them through some pretty rough times.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks for that last posting Jana! My wife would agree with you on that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jay

        Eddie Says: Gay men and women generally don’t hit on each other in straight bars and don’t troll for straight men or women.

        And you know this, how?

        • http://naver Sook Young

          Maybe Eddie goes with his friends to these places? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • April

            Mmmmm! Makes one wonder. You have a point there Sook Young.

    • Robert Smith

      Asked: “How will the G.I.’s feel that are straight to have one of these people hit on them?”

      I deal with it the exact same way I deal with a woman I want nothing to do with. I simply say no thank you. It’s more polite than just saying “no”. But the message is the same.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Rob, you mean you actually say no to sheep? Will miracles ever cease? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://com i41

    Karolyn, what is the problem or can not you defend you libatard bs line of thinking? You and you regressive depressive idoits a;ways claim that faggots are born this way, so defend this cross bred own worlds he wrote with his domestic terrorisrt nweighbor. The same bastard that shows no remorse for killing and harming inocent people. Whine a storm up but I have no use for abhorant behavior in society, that is why islands were created to ship perverts, male.female, muslims and especially marxist/communist socialist dumbocraps. Being a faggot is a result of media nand libatard ideology of anything goes and is OK, typical libatarian thought process. China cured its drug problem in the late 1800′s when people were using drugs, straighten up and fly right after getting a cure, or if not 2 oz of lead gives a permant cure.

  • rollin

    Is this part of that female perogative to change one’s mind?

    Do we really need that kind of thinking in our military?

    God Save The Republic.

  • http://com i41

    Thamera, don’t take eddee to seriously, he is a result of generational ward breeding. Indians always let the queers assume the role of a woman and they stayed around the tepees, also they didn’t allow them to go off to steal and be a war party. As for lesbos not having any interst in straights, that is BS, in the late 70′s several of my rodeo buddies and I were going thru Missola MT, which has the highest amount of lesbos per 1000 population. So we wentin to a lesbo bar and lined out on the passive females and they sure lockedon to all of us, of course the butch dikes tried to get hinky, but again the lesbos will hit on straights. The bull dikes quite mouthing off when we said they could be eared down and the riggin could be thrown on for a wild ride with out a halter. It is all a libatarian beleif again of anything goes.

    • Karolyn

      Do you really believe there is no drug abuse in China? Drug use/abuse will NEVER stop. It’s been here forever and will be here forever.

      • Average Joe

        A friend posted this last night and I found it to be quite revealing:

        http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz1LyEzDpFv

        It’s time to stop the war on drugs insanity.

        Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
        Douglas Adams

  • hs

    FIRST OF ALL: There is a separation between Church and State. One thing is CIVIL UNIONS for homosexuals and another is trying to impose RELIGIOUS UNIONS for homosexuals. From a religious standpoint (even for non denominational as long as it is in Christianity) GOD made it clear that he was against homosexual unions (read LEVITICUS in the bible). However, on the other hand, JESUS CHRIST made it clear (read MATTHEW in the bible) to give to Caesar what is due to him (civil law) and to God what is due to him (religious law).

    • April

      hs
      Do you have a SECOND OF ALL? Because you will also read in Matthew that Jesus did not come to change one jot or tittle of the law. He was referring to the Law of Moses. A jot is a hebrew yod which is the 10th smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet as well as an iota in the Greek. And a tittle refers to the smallest mark such as a dot,or stroke, also known in the Hebrew as a little horn that aides in the very sound of the letter. Our Laws are based on those very same 10 Commandment that God gave Moses. The first 5 are Religious/piety, and the second 5 are Civil.
      Also you will not find separation between Church and State in the Constitution. However it does state in our Bill of Rights 1st Ammendment, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”
      Now regarding Unions. They are no longer for what is right or fair wages, but have become a politcal tool to get votes from special interest groups that actually oppose our basic God given Rights. Civil Unions for homosexuals is a good example.

      • April

        oops. The “yod is the 10th and the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet; not the 10th smallest. Am I bad,lol. Sorry about that;D.

      • Jana

        WOW, Great post April.

    • Robert Smith

      “and another is trying to impose RELIGIOUS UNIONS for homosexuals.”

      There are christian churches that to same sex weddings.

      Rob

      • Christin

        Robert,

        Not all churches are created equal… one has to find a Bible believing church… not one that chooses to teach and believe some parts of the Bible and other parts they don’t. The Bible is not like a cafeteria where you can pick and choose what to believe and follow.

        Either you BELIEVE the whole Bible is the Word of God or you don’t.

        And their are some ‘churches’ and religions that have false teachings and they give Christianity a bad name… but you must use discernment and find a Godly preacher, minister, reverend, or pastor that Loves the Lord and seeks His face and speaks Biblical Truth.

        False teachings might be to pray to Mary when in fact we are told to only pray to Deity. Some churches exclude you form the Lord’s Supper (Communion) if you are not ‘their religion’ even if you are a born again Christian when in fact, Jesus says Come ALL you who are weary and heavy ladened. Jesus didn’t say if you are this religion or that you can be a child of God… He has called ALL of us into fellowship with Him. A real ‘church’ that teaches the Trinity [God the Father, God the Son-Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit] and follows the Bible will not marry homosexual people, pure and simple; if they do I would definately question their doctrine and not attend anymore.

        • Robert Smith

          “And their are some ‘churches’ and religions that have false teachings and they give Christianity a bad name…”

          I’ll bet you think Fred Phelps(God hates fags) gives your version of christanity a good name.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            Of course we couldn’t say he was. We don’t support him either. It isn’t true that God hates the homosexuals, he loves them, as Jesus died for them too, just like He died for you. He hates the SIN of homosexuality. He hates the SIN of lieing, He hates the SIN of stealing, He hates the SIN of murder,(there is a vast difference between murder and killing), and He hates the SIN of worshipping a false god, but they are forgiveable. All one has to do is repent and ask God for forgiveness,

    • http://naver samurai

      Show me where it say seperation of church and state in the Constitution. It isn’t there! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Claiming “marriage” is defined as “christian” is establishing a religion. That isn’t allowed.

        Even atheists can avail themselves of the marriage contract in America.

        Rob

        • Jana

          When they want to force a preacher into marrying them because it would be against the law to discriminate then that is a great contradiction.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Average Joe

    I think that the line about “Chaplains being trained to perform same-sex unions” is the key to the reversal.
    Imagine if you will that you are a chaplain and as a chaplin, you have certain moral convictions based on your religious view (just like civilian clergy).
    Now, imagine that one day your superior officer comes in and tells you to disregard you core values and do as you are told…perform these unions whether you like it or not…it is now our policy.
    If I were this chaplain, I would refuse based on my religious convictions and remind my superiors that just because I am in the military, I did not give up my right to practice my religion as I see fit (first amendment,Bill of Rights). If they tried to enforce these new “rules”, I would then tender my resignation to the military and if it was refused by my superior…I would suffer the punishment provided, but I would still not comply with the request to perform those ceremonies…I would essentially become a Martyr for religious freedom….and I believe the military and government would have major problems trying to defend their positions.
    Now consider that most chaplains hold this same view concerning their religious doctrine…the miltary and the government now have a very serious issue that they cannot possibly win in a court of public opinion or in a court of law.
    If these “deviants” feel that they need to be “married”, they can do so in a private ceremony….in a private setting….outside of the military….and then submit the paperwork to the military to show that the ceremony was performed…end of story!

    • April

      WELL SAID AVERAGE JOE!!

    • Christin

      Yes, Average Joe, well stated…. good post.

  • Jay

    A soldier’s response to ‘gays’ in the military

    Posted: June 01, 2010
    1:00 am Eastern

    © 2011 

    I was intending to write an article on this subject myself, but was blown away by a letter I received from a friend who is overseas doing history’s work: fighting for freedom. His response is the epitome of logical sequencing and reasoned analysis, scientific in its conclusions and almost mathematical in its preciseness.

    In other words, indisputable in its truth, the final nail in the coffin of iron-gripped “Political Castration.”
    There is no way I could have done better. I am printing it here unabridged, and as per his request, giving no clues to his name or service. Shame, really, that he must fear retaliation for truth. Such a response is supposed to be reserved for the lie.

    The logical place to begin this discussion is in describing the purpose of the military. Despite recent mission changes that reflect a greater focus on stability operations, i.e., nation-building, the primary purpose of the military is to violently execute political goals that cannot otherwise be effected through diplomacy and other non-violent avenues of approach (sanctions, boycotts, etc.). We exist to destroy those who would threaten our political and economic existence. Any change to the military, whether it is in training, equipment, doctrine or social norms, should be to enhance the lethality of our Armed Forces.

    Soldiers are trained to fight as a team, not as individuals. If you look at something as simple as the construction of sectors of fires in a defense, you understand immediately that the primary goal of individual fighting positions is to protect your team members to the left and right of your position. It is not to defend your front. Your front is covered by your buddies to your left and right. In other words, trust and reliance on your team members are absolutely essential. Soldiers live together – at times in conditions that most civilians would find completely uncivilized – sleep together, eat together, shower together and even defecate together in open slit trenches, in order to accomplish the mission. It is a very strange relationship they share because their lives are so open and interconnected. During combat, the intensity and necessity of that relationship grows. You must believe that your team members have your survival and well-being as the second-highest priority during battle. Notice that I said “second-highest priority.” The top priority of any military action is to accomplish the mission.

    When Congress or the military attempts to inject social engineering, specifically open homosexuality in the ranks, into this relationship, it is a disaster in the making. Now, instead of mission accomplishment being the top priority, it is individual rights and relationships that become the priority. I find it to be very ironic that Congress and the president are choosing to deal with this issue in the midst of a two-front war on global terrorism. It is very revealing that the top military concern of the Democrats is allowing open homosexuality into the ranks rather than defeating the enemy in our wars.

    If we take homosexuals at their word, they did not choose to be gay. They are, according to them, born gay and are biologically attracted to people of the same sex. If that is the case, what impact does sexual attraction have on military teams? It has a huge and devastating impact. This is even true with heterosexuals and is why the Army has rules against establishing relationships between heterosexuals within the same chain of command.

    I have served for 26 years. One of the things I have noticed is when a female is thrown into the mix of a male-dominated world, the males naturally begin competing for her attention. It is not, necessarily, that they are trying to sleep with her, but the natural tendency for heterosexual males is to attract the attention of the opposite sex. It throws a wrench in the relationship between the males. This is why men who serve in Combat Arms branches do not prefer to have women fighting on the front lines. The presence of a female skews the male mentality. Men, by nature, choose to protect women at the expense of protecting their male counterparts. Again, this has deadly consequences when the bullets are flying. If gays are biologically wired to be gay, then they, too, must have this desire to protect the males to whom they are attracted. Instead of focusing on accomplishing the mission and protecting the men to their left and right, they would be more concerned with protecting their attraction.

    Continued:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=160769

    • Jana

      Jay, Would you mind if I sent these on in some of my emails?

      • Jay

        No Jana, I don’t mind.

    • Christin

      Thanks for sharing that, Jay.

      I can see that to be a good case for every one to ‘keep their mouth shut’ [aka. Don't ask, Don't tell] about their sexual desires and DO THE JOB… to win and save lives in our armed forces.

      Good Post, Jay.

    • Robert Smith

      This nonsense could have been written 60 years ago. Let’s see how it would have been then.

      When Congress or the military attempts to inject social engineering, specifically open blacks into the ranks, into this relationship, it is a disaster in the making. Now, instead of mission accomplishment being the top priority, it is individual rights and relationships that become the priority. I find it to be very ironic that Congress and the president are choosing to deal with this issue in the midst of the Korean war. It is very revealing that the top military concern of the Democrats is allowing blacks into the ranks rather than defeating the enemy in our wars.

      If we take blacks at their word, they did not choose to be black. They are, according to them, born black and are biologically attracted to people of the same color. In many states they are not allowed to marry whites. If that is the case, what impact does sexual attraction have on military teams? It has a huge and devastating impact. This is even true with heterosexuals and is why the Army has rules against establishing relationships between heterosexuals within the same chain of command.

      I have served for 26 years. One of the things I have noticed is when a black is thrown into the mix of a white-dominated world, the whites naturally begin competing with escilating acts of bigotry. It is not, necessarily, that they are trying to kill a black, but many have died. It throws a wrench in the relationship between the ranks. This is why men who serve in Combat Arms branches do not prefer to have blacks fighting on the front lines. The presence of a black skews the male mentality. If blacks are biologically wired to be black, then they, too, must have this desire be bigoted. Instead of focusing on accomplishing the mission and protecting the men to their left and right, they would be more concerned with protecting their own black brothers in arms.

      Let’s not forget the Red Ball Express and the Tuscegi Airmen. Proof that blacks can fight and win.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Rob, it is hard for me to believe that you have served 26 years. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jay

          Samurai, this boob has never served in the army! Isn’t it obvious? But, I suspect he has served, either on his knees or on all four’s, or both!

  • Jay

    Why Not Gays in the Military?
    by E.L. Pattullo

    IF ON AVERAGE, gays are less martial than straights, it is only because some segment of the gay community has, traditionally, cultivated an effeminacy that disdains soldierly virtues. Many gays, certainly, are as courageous, and as willing and able to fight, as are straights. With homosexuality out of the military closet they would be no more likely to be security risks than anyone else. Why, then, does the military brass oppose Bill Clinton’s decision to admit homosexuals into the armed forces?

    A principal reason is that the President clearly intends that gays serve with other males in the same outfits and with no distinction being made. It is scarcely imaginable that it should be otherwise. But the reasons that persuade us to maintain some separation between males and females apply with equal force to gays and straights–with the single exception of the possibility of pregnancy.

    Just as straight men and women are powerfully motivated to have sex with each other, so gays are motivated to have sex, not just with other gays, but with any person of their own gender to whom they are attracted. Gays are as able as the rest of us to control their libido, which means that–like the rest of us–they often need a bit of help in doing so. The intensity of the sexual urge gay or straight–is so strong that society recognizes that it is sensible, even in this permissive era, to maintain some barriers between potential sex partners.

    Least important of many difficulties (but not insignificant to those who respect the dignity of our troops) is that individuals, male or female, generally dislike being forced to perform their private functions in front of others who, unilaterally, view them as sex objects. A country just awakening to women’s sensitivity to unwanted sexual attention should not find it difficult to understand why a man would prefer not to bunk directly above, below, or next to another man who finds him sexually attractive. Or to shower with him. If some military quarters now offer the limited privacy of college dormitories, many still consist of barracks with common sleeping rooms, gang showers and toilets, and no escape from one’s fellows. In the field, even closer physical intimacy is the norm rather than the exception.

    Nor is it simply a matter, as the current cant phrase has it, of persuading straight soldiers to ignore what gay ones “do in the bedroom.” It is childish to imagine that we leave our sexuality behind as we go about our daily affairs. Only a child (or a sophist trying to make a point) can deny awareness of the sexual nuance, subtle though it be, that invades every facet of adult human relationships. The most gentlemanly male, or ladylike (if that word still has currency) female, cannot help giving and receiving sexual signals in even the most ordinary social transactions. Though the quality of relations between individuals of the same gender and those of opposite genders differs, both are affected by the participants’ sexuality. To imagine that openly gay soldiers will be indistinguishable from straight comrades except in their off-duty behavior is to ignore the reality of our animal nature.

    Continued:http:
    //www.proessay.com/argumentative-essay-topics-and-conroversial-essay/gays-in-the-military/why-not-gays-in-the-military.html

  • Jay

    Don’t Ask Don’t Tell: The Law
    February 22nd, 2009 by CJ

    The Army’s regulation on homosexual conduct in the military, AR 600-20, states
    A person’s sexual orientation is considered a personal and private matter and is not a bar to
entry or continued service unless manifested by homosexual conduct

    The military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy isn’t actually the military’s policy. In fact, it’s the law. According to the Constitution of the United States (yeah, I know, what is that again?), it is the job of Congress to “raise and support Armies” and “provide and maintain a Navy”. With those responsibilities in mind, Congress passed and the President signed into law the military’s policy on homosexual conduct in 1993. The legislation amended Title 10, the section of law that governs military activities. I’ve discussed this already and flushed out a lot of my personal feelings before on this topic.

    The law acknowledges the realities that the “presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.”

It admits that there is a fundamental difference between military life and civilian life. Success in combat requires military units that are characterized by high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion. The main problem with integrating openly homosexual individuals into the military is that it directly affects each of those. According to the actual LAW, “The prohibition against homosexual conduct is a longstanding element of military law that continues to be necessary in the unique circumstances of military service.”

    Basically, according to LAW, homosexuals are actually prohibited from serving in the military. So, it’s a bit odd that our regulations state that “a person’s sexual orientation is considered a personal and private matter and is not a bar to entry or continued service unless manifested by homosexual conduct.” This actually directly contradicts the law of the land.
    In a recent Military Times Poll, 9% of those polled said they would NOT re-enlist or extend if the Don’t

    Ask Don’t Tell policy was overturned. There are approximately 2.3 million members of the military, including all branches and Reserve forces. If 9% of that refuses to re-enlist or extend the military will lose over 203,000 troops to accommodate for a small group of openly homosexual individuals to serve.

    Another 14% would “consider” not re-enlisting or extending. Take away another 322,000 troops for a total possible loss of over a half million troops.
    Can anyone tell me that we will make up those numbers with homosexual troops? To be honest, I’m not one of the 9% or the 14%. I have no problems with homosexuals personally. Congress explained it just as good as I could in the law that was passed in 1994:
    `
    (1) Section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States commits exclusively to the Congress the powers to raise and support armies, provide and maintain a Navy, and make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.
    `
    (2) There is no constitutional right to serve in the armed forces.
    `
    (3) Pursuant to the powers conferred by section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States, it lies within the discretion of the Congress to establish qualifications for and conditions of service in the armed forces.
    `
    (4) The primary purpose of the armed forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise.
    `
    (5) The conduct of military operations requires members of the armed forces to make extraordinary sacrifices, including the ultimate sacrifice, in order to provide for the common defense.
    `
    (6) Success in combat requires military units that are characterized by high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion.
    `
    (7) One of the most critical elements in combat capability is unit cohesion, that is, the bonds of trust among individual service members that make the combat effectiveness of a military unit greater than the sum of the combat effectiveness of the individual unit members.
    `
    (8) Military life is fundamentally different from civilian life in that–

    Continued:http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/02/22/dont-ask-dont-tell-the-law/

  • April

    Thankyou Jay for this report. It is good and right and reveals the common sensibilty that we all should know. This is very well done.

  • Darrell Lynch

    Hooray for the Navy! At last, somebody has the cahonies to stand up for the rule of law. I lift my glass, and take off my hat to these obvious patriots!

    • http://naver samurai

      Me too. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

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