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Nasty Primary: Good Or Bad For GOP?

October 24, 2011 by  

Nasty Primary: Good Or Bad For GOP?

Consensus is split among analysts trying to decide whether the nastiness of recent GOP Presidential primary debates is creating problems for the Republican Party or forging a battle-tested, formidable opponent to emerge in the contest against Barack Obama in 2012.

Following each debate, headlines about the ongoing feud between Mitt Romney and Rick Perry have been abundant; and recently, rhetorical transfers between the two candidates have become more and more personal. According to The Hill, many Republicans think the “friendly fire” is doing little more than ensuring Obama a victory in the 2012 election.

“What happened last night was horrific. If you applaud what happened last night, then don’t come asking me in December of 2012 what happened,” GOP strategist Frank Luntz told activists last Wednesday at the Western Republican Leadership Conference following the Las Vegas debate.

Many Republicans agree with Luntz, using words like “childish,” “unprofessional” and “desperate” to describe Republican on Republican attacks that may resurface as Democratic ammunition in the general election.

Others say the attacks are simply a means by which Republicans will be better able to identify the best man or woman for the job, according to NPR. Many people believe that last Tuesday’s debate was the first moment that candidate Romney has abandoned his cool, collected demeanor to defend against attacks. In one of the debate’s most heated moments, an exchange occurred between Perry and Romney in which the Texas Governor brought up mud slung in 2008 regarding Romney’s employing a lawn care company found to have used illegal alien labor.

Republican strategist Mike Murphy believes arguments and attacks are good moments for Republican primaries, if they end well before the general election: “Having a spirited primary that ends at a reasonable time — like mid-March — is the best outcome, because you get battle-tested, you get better, but you can unify the party quicker, and the grinding and the clawing stops in enough time for the candidate to pivot to the general election and be competitive there.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • L

    OPEN LETTER to the GOP.
    Where the Hell are the GOP Leadership? where is Boehner? Stop this isane infighting, CHOSE a Candidate and displace Obama, Before he does MORE serious damage to this Country!
    Most of these Candidates are fine capable Leaders and would make a good President.
    In a medical emergency FIRST you stop the bleeding (& check the breathing) THEN you repair the damage…
    Lets get rid of Obama before this Country bleeds to Death.

    • Rhondar

      Where is Boehner….probably playing golf with Obama

      • steve in AZ

        Really? WOW – that would be like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu, wouldn’t it?

        DONATE NOW so you can VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

        • Old Henry


          Boehner HAS played golf with Little Barry. Pay attention.

          • Andrea B

            Uh…I’m pretty sure that was a joke.

            Hank Williams, Jr.

    • Old Henry


      Choosing a candidate IS what we are currently doing. Hopefully it will be Ron Paul, the only true Conservative in the bunch.

      • DanB

        The problem has is that Ron Paul is no longer the lone outsider (quack) in the room. Now I don’t believe Ron Paul is a quack even though I disagree with some of his stands and some of what he says or doesn’t say make me nervous about him as President. However, you have to remember that the Republican Party is fighting against the surge in more libertarian conservatives. Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, and even a couple others are courting the Tea Party. I mean really courting Tea Party, not just trying to use the Tea Party. Even though none of these candidates is a perfect, Constitution quoting, conservatives, many of these really are trying to save the country instead of lobby for political power like most politicians. So I am not surprised that the Republican powers at the top are really more interested in Romney and other progressive candidates. So I look at these hostilities really as the Republican party resisting the American people. The fact that the Tea Party candidates are getting messed up in all this is just a good sign for me.

        If you are willing to overlook that I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, perhaps I can share a story from our scriptures that perhaps even Romney might appreciate. In our scriptures there is a story of a period the people were ruled by judges. There rose up a group that sought to rule over the people and establish a king. Many people supported this. The prophet of the time said that the people rose up and had a very aggressive debate on the matter. In the end, the voice of the people prevailed and a vote was held. They chose to keep their system of judges. Of course, in this story, the rejected “king-men” decided that they would impose their rule over the people anyways and gathered together as an army with weapons of war…. However, the lesson I learn from that is to save our liberty it is better to raise our voices in debate than with the sword (or in our modern times with guns and bombs). If the debates cause a resurgence in an awareness in the American people of the battle to save our liberties, than perhaps it might be fine to lose this battle if we win the war. While I think taking the Presidency is key right now in the elections, I want a true renewal of America through the means of our Constitutional Republic. For if all we gain is the election of a libertarian President and lose the legislative branch to progressives, then it will all be for naught. For either we will encourage the President to destroy liberty under the pretense of saving it, or the legislature will continue the inevitable collapse into socialism, communism, marxism, or whatever ism they are selling tomorrow. So if this creates growing awareness in the American people, then we may yet win the true battle for America’s freedom. For we are the real reason America is doomed to fail, because we as a people have become dull and numb to our loss of freedoms and our responsibility to defend our freedom–not with military but with being actively engaged citizens–to rediscover what it is to be a moral people.

    • Mike

      The country was already “bled to death” by September 2008 when Bush announced imminent economic collapse. The only question now is whether the recovery will take ten years, twenty, or thirty.

    • johnk

      The stupid in-fighting just gives the Dems more ammunition when it comes to the run for the General. Not very smart on the Repubs part. (Unless they never really wanted the President to have the US to return to the Constitution in the first place).

      • Donnell Hill

        It is quite evident that Romney nor Perry care enough for this country to get over the petty stuff and explain why they would make a better choice for president. If I may, Hey Stupid either one of you can beat the Marxist Group in the Whitehouse but if you keep this up, you both will lose along with all the good and decent Americans. I would rather see Newt as president (than either of you) and John Bolton as VP.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Donnell Hill,
          Everyone here needs to Email perry and romney to turn in their NAGR questionaire so we all can know where they stand on gun rights. So far R. Paul, Caine, and Bachman are the only ones that have returned them and they are all pro-gun. Perry and romney are both suspiciously quiet about it.

          • JUKEBOX

            Despite what Joe Biden says, the POLICE are present in our comunities to take the investigative report of rapes, murders, and burglaries. The main deterrent of crime is your personal weapon, and that is not TEMPORARY. I think that brain surgery he had implanted weird concepts in his mind.

  • Alex Frazier

    I think the friendly fire, to some degree, is a healthy thing. It is getting information out to the people about the different candidates that they didn’t know.

    I don’t think any amount of arguing by the GOP candidates could make the president look like less of an idiot than he is.

    • Rhondar

      It’s a distraction from the IMPORTANT ISSUES….who cares about Mitt Romney’s lawn?…Perry is an idiot. The sooner he gets off the stage the better. We are in the middle of a full blown world wide economic implosion and that’s what we get?

      I was more interested in Ron Paul cutting a TRILLION DOLLARS the first year in office….he has substance. That’s why him and Cain win most of the straw polls. Romney is a liberal and Perry is a globalist….so they have to slap fight to get attention because their records stink.

      Cain is also a globalist I think….a lot of things he says and his 9-9-9 tax program stinks of globalism. VAT tax….NO THANKS

      • Alex Frazier

        In an article I read yesterday, it also turns out that after his time with the Federal Reserve, Herman Cain also spent time with some lobbyist organization, and he has received campaign funding from a number of special interest groups.

        I’ve always been wary of Cain for the simple fact that he casually neglected to offer his Fed experience. He didn’t deny it, but he didn’t advertise it either. He’s the CEO of Godfather’s Pizza.

        But it turns out that he’s ex-Federal Reserve and ex-Special Interest Lobbyist, who already has a new Fed chairman in mind and is receiving campaign funding from special interest groups.

        I don’t know what Cain is. Maybe he’s sincere. But I can tell you that his history makes me nervous.

        • Old Henry

          With the exception of Ron Paul, every one of their histoies makes me nervous.

          • Ray

            Problem with Ron Paul is he makes the rest of nervous for his naive perception on terrorism.

          • Average Joe

            Actually, the only people that Ron Paul worries are establisment contenders and those of you who don’t understand his policies.
            An exerpt from, “The New American”:

            Foreign Policy

            It is really Paul’s position on foreign policy that incenses his critics to no end. As everyone knows, Ron Paul staunchly opposes what he refers to as “militarism,” a doctrine — sometimes euphemistically described by its apologists as “American Exceptionalism” — that calls for America to essentially “police” the globe against “human rights” violators or, what amounts to the same thing, the enemies of “democracy.” Since this enterprise has, within the last decade, been prosecuted in the name of combating Islamic terror, it is principally Paul’s objections against the assumptions, implications, and tactics of “the War on Terror” that have earned him both the contempt and fear of his competitors.

            To begin with, Paul emphatically rejects the proposition — treated as an axiom by the Republican Party — that Muslims hate us because of our liberties and freedoms. Rather, it is a hyper-aggressive American foreign policy, he insists, with its occupation of and sanctions and wars against Islamic lands, that accounts for the rage that culminated in the attacks of 9/11.

            For this position, Rick Santorum and legions of other representatives of the GOP establishment have blasted Paul for “blaming America” for the attacks. There are, though, at a minimum, three fatal problems with their approach.

            First, an understanding of an agent’s action need not involve praise or blame. Descriptive statements are distinct from prescriptive statements: Just because something is such and such a way doesn’t necessarily mean that it ought to be that way, and just because one thinks that such and such is this way doesn’t mean that he either approves or disapproves of it. In our daily lives, most of us have no difficulty grasping this simple conceptual distinction between, on the one hand, explanation, and, on the other, justification. For some reason, a little elementary logic of this kind manages to elude Paul’s Republican rivals when it comes to his stance on the motivations informing those Muslims who want us dead.

            Second, from Osama bin Laden to the 9/11 commission, from former CIA agents who spent decades in the Middle East to political science professor Robert Pape who, to date, has conducted the most extensive research into the reasons underlying Islamic terror, there is no short supply of authoritative sources from which Paul can readily draw in substantiating his position on the 9/11 attacks.

            Finally, let us say for argument’s sake that Paul did intend to blame the U.S. government for inviting the 9/11 attacks. That the government is not equivalent to the United States should be obvious to any and every lover of liberty. If, by ascribing blame to the government, Paul can be said to be ascribing blame to America, then whenever any other Republican holds the government accountable for objectionable policies or outcomes — something that occurs incessantly — they too must be held to be “blaming” America.

            As it stands, Republicans do themselves no service in conflating the federal government with the country itself. In hurling this bogus charge against Paul, they only contribute further to the growing perception among both the base of their party as well as independents that all of their talk of “limited government” and the like is just that: talk.

            For the entire story, I have provided the link below. I hope that this helps those of you who “Don’t” understand Dr. Paul’s positions.


          • Alex Frazier

            Ray, if Ron Paul’s foreign policy makes you nervous, then you are the one who is naive.

            I have only a single question: How will we pay for the war effort in Iran?

        • JUKEBOX

          Obama had a worse record than ANYBODY running, and the dumb masses ignored his record, and voted for him anywaay.

      • WaChar

        itt Rhomney is O’ under the title of Republican. Wake up! The MSM
        is again trying to pick our candidate. Do not be deceived by Romney’s
        ‘cleaned up’ image. HE HELPED CREATE obamacare, which will destroy
        our economy if allowed to continue.
        Investigate for yourself and DO NOT TAKE THE MSM’s LIES AS TRUTH!

        • Old Henry

          Exactly WaChar.

          The MSM is a PERFECT reverse barometer. Whoever they say is good, is bad – without question.

          Go to and read all you want to know about Dr. Paul and he believes and wants to do.

      • Old Henry


        As they say in Texas: “Perry is all hat and no cattle.”

      • Old Henry

        “It’s a distraction from the IMPORTANT ISSUES….”

        That, Rhondar, is exactly the idea.

    • madog2

      Maybe so but I think the candidates should show less hostility to each other and prove to the republican voters that they are going to help and not hender the USA. Try not to act like the muslim thats occupying the WH now by blaming each other for your shortcomings and show us just how much of an American you really are

  • M.Alice Woolard

    The buckering that is going on in the debates is A big turn off!!!! No way would I trust them in the Whitr House

    • Old Henry

      Bickering or not Alice, they are not to be trucstd in the WH.

    • Ray

      You sound like an Obama supporter slipping in through the cracks.

  • Lost in Paradise

    The bickering back and forth, is not good, but is not a total disaster Yet. I think most of the candidates are trying to appeal to only the conservatives, and that will not get them enough votes.They are scaring the liberals do death, that do not understand how things work. The GOP candidates need to be working hard to appeal to a broader base of voters, that might lead to a win for the GOP.

    As it stands now, the GOP does not stand a chance to put someone in the WhiteHouse. They need to learn to do a good job of lying like the Dems are good at.

    • Rhondar

      Even some liberals like Ron Paul….he will do what Obama wouldn’t …END THE WARS

      • waveform144

        Dr. Paul will get my vote inspite of running as a repuplican.

      • steve in AZ

        Wahooooo!! You win hands down, Rhondar – for THE single most ignorant statement I have yet to see at this venue – and there’s been quite a few.

        Please consult ANY dictionary and explain how Dr. Paul could ever be classified as a liberal.

        THIS may be the greatest reason our country is in the shape it’s in,Rhondar, as your unqualified opinion demonstrates the old axiom that “the American people always get exactly the government they deserve.”

        Please, Rhondar – don’t vote. You have no justification for ever populating a voting booth.

        DONATE NOW so you can VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

        • steve in AZ

          Woops. Okay – I stand corrected and apologize, Rhondar. I misunderstood your comment about liberals “like Ron PAUL”.

          Please forgive me.

        • DaveS

          Re-read Rhondar’s statement… Even some liberals like (appreciate and support) Ron Paul… not that Paul is a liberal.

      • D


        In case you missed it, Obama is ending the war in Iraq…..everyone out of Iraq the end of the year!!

        • Average Joe

          In case you missed it, Obama isn’t ending anything…The Iraqi Govrnment told us to get out. You see, Obamam wants us to have complete immunity from Iraqi laws and they said…NO!….So we were told to remove our troops from Iraq….Obama isn’t doing this voluntarily…but by force. Do you seriously believe that all of these troops are comming home? If so, you are delusional …at best. You see, we still have a war going on in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan, Libya and now, we are getting involved in a war in Africa….I have $10, that says these troops will be deployed elsewhere….care to take my bet?…you’ll lose.
          Wise up and stop believing the rhetoric comming from our supposed leaders….it is all just a smoke screen….

        • http://?? Joe H.

          In case YOU missed it, he is leaving 150 Marines there. I only hope they survive the experience! The Marines are pure kick a$$ but even they, when out numbered too far can be defeated!

        • JUKEBOX

          He is sending an engraved gold bar to Iran, inviting them to come and occupy Iraq.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            wouldn’t suprise me if that were 100% true!!



    • Old Henry


      Except for Ron Paull BOSSLADY.

      Also, remember that Bachmann keeps touting herself as a Constitutional Conservative, but she voted in FAVOR of the un-Patriot Act that completely shreds the Constitution – especailly the 4th Amendmant.

    • djdrew103

      Bachmann is an opposition researcher’s dream. She is one of the biggest jokes to come down the “pike” since Palin. The joke is, she will end up not even being a threat to her opponents, more less a threat to the country if she had a viable spot for the presidency.

      Just consider some of the lies and downright deceitful political hype she used since her short run for candidacy. It’s not surprising she made it as a tax attorney, considering her ability to keep a straight face while she blatantly lies her way through an interview or stands in the public eye.

      “The president of the United States took away $500 billion — a half-trillion dollars — out of Medicare, shifted it to Obamacare to pay for younger people. And it’s senior citizens who have the most to lose in Obamacare.”

      The savings actually are from health-care providers, not Medicare beneficiaries. These spending reductions presumably would be a good thing, since virtually everyone agrees that Medicare spending is out of control.

      In the House Republican budget, lawmakers repealed the Obama health care law but retained all but $10 billion of the nearly $500 billion in Medicare savings, suggesting the actual policies enacted to achieve these spending reductions were not that objectionable to GOP lawmakers.

      Medicare already functions as a government program and the 2010 health-care law, which the lawmaker labels “Obamacare,” establishes private health-insurance exchanges in which participants can buy insurance.

      Furthermore, Bachmann voted for Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wisc.) 2012 budget plan, which, ironically, would convert Medicare in 2022 into a private voucher system with some features of the Obama health-care law.

      Bachmann voted for the Republican budget plan and claims she supports it to prevent Medicare from “going flat broke in 13 years.” To be clear, only the hospital trust fund will be “depleted’ and the government will still be able to cover 90 percent of the program costs. That is not the same as bankruptcy.

      The health care bill, as mentioned, actually puts Medicare on a more solid financial footing. Also, the health care law improved some benefits for seniors, such as making preventive care free and closing a gap in prescription drug coverage known as the “doughnut hole”

      This brings us to the House Republican budget and its use of virtually the same $500 billion in Medicare savings.

      It’s rather rich for Republicans to complain about $500 billion in supposed cuts to Medicare that they themselves would retain, even under the cover of helping Medicare.

      Bachmann’s statement is further off the mark because of her assertion that seniors would suffer at the hands of the youth. The Medicare savings in the health care law are aimed at providers, not seniors; meanwhile seniors stand to benefit from aspects of the health care law that Republicans want to repeal.

      Just take a look at a short list of Bachmann’s Major Whoppers scores…3 to 4 Pinocchio’s.

      “The president released all of the oil from the Strategic Oil Reserve.”

      last year because Barrack Obama’s policies have led to groceries going up 29 percent.”

      “The top 1 percent of income-earners pay about 40 percent of all taxes into the federal government.”

      “One. That’s the number of new drilling permits under the Obama administration since they came into office.”

      The federal government “now tells us which light bulbs to buy.”

      Small businesses that have “$250,000 in gross sales for the business. They’re the ones that are looking at massive tax increases.” (actually, it’s $250K after net and the increases proposed were not that much more in than before for small businesses.)

      “The president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day.”

      “Speaker Pelosi … has been busy sticking the taxpayer with her $100,000 bar tab for alcohol on the military jets that she’s flying.”

      “Social Security, like I told you, is out of money. This year it is borrowing from the general treasury.”

      “President Obama’s bill won’t bring down the costs (of health care) for average Americans — or really for very few Americans, if any.”

      Ezekiel Emanuel, one of President Obama’s key health care advisers, “says medical care should be reserved for the nondisabled. So watch out if you’re disabled.” (The comment was actually made in a musing way of opposition’s mentalities as a point of irony.)

      ACORN will be a paid partner with the Census Bureau and “they will be in charge of going door-to-door and collecting data from the American public.”

      Says the Constitution only requires her to tell the census “how many people are in our home.”

      “Secretary Geithner has left the option on the table” of abandoning the dollar for a multinational currency. (Bachmann herself defends the “greenback” as a security against imaginary threat.)

      If you want to see how Bachmann can become totally comfortably ignorant of others and with the way she would treat people once in office and a leader of the Federal Government, just reference this article on how her Fed team mistreated her actual citizen state team, and they supported her none-the-less until…..I wonder if she still has their votes?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Actually, she wasn’t that far off on the peelousy debacle!!! Peelousey is an embarassment to all the fiscal responsible people in the USA!!!

  • Robert Bolino

    Their will be hard feelings in those campaign workers for each of those candidates that lose. They will have to blame someone for the loss.
    and they will not vote GOP.
    Ask Fort Wayne GOP after they stuck the knife in Kelty!
    Those copperheads will never get a red cent from me. they turned me to the TEA PARTY.
    But I will VOTE for Tom Henry since they wanted him so bad last time!

    • Rhondar

      I will not vote GOP either if Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination. All of them are status quo neocons except him and Johnson and Johnson doesn’t have a chance. NOTHING WILL CHANGE in Washington if it’s not Paul.

      The other thing that gripes me is they won’t let all the candidates have equal speaking time. I would love to see them all asked the same question to compare them but so far there is no comparison. I want SOLUTIONS….NOT RHETORIC.

      • Alex Frazier

        It might be worth saying that if Obama has an actual socialist agenda, as it appears he does, then it’s worth voting for a GOP candidate other than Paul (if we should be unfortunate enough to be saddled with one of the others), just so we can put a lid on the current plan in action. While most of the other candidates are merely parroting Paul with their platforms of fiscal responsibility, they will feel obligated to at least make a show of it before returning to business as usual. If nothing else, that will put a little plaster on the cracking dam. It will still break in time, but a little temporary plaster, even if just for show, is better than the pick-axe that has been used to crack society apart with vigor over the last few years.

      • Old Henry

        BINGO Rhondar!

        No Ron Paul? I voter Libertarian….. and donate Libertarian.

        • BigBadJohn

          yup you hit the nail on the head.
          No Ron Paul vote libertarian
          We need real change in this country!

  • Patriot1776

    It is important that we see what the true beliefs and values of each of the candidates is and if they are fighting among themselves they are not addressing any issues, they only weaken each other. It is interesting to see how the media focuses on Rommney and Perry but ignores the other candidates, yet in the straw vote results Cain is tending to stay at the top. Is it media bias or Republican elite?

    It would be better to have the candidates face off in a Constitutional conservative venue instead of a left wing media venue and discus what their ideas are to turn American around and bring us at least back to center. We have drifted so far that belief in the values of the Founding Fathers is labeled as extreme. We need to know that who ever ends up being the Republican candidate has the morals and values and strength to bring us out of this liberal haze.

    • eddie47d

      Debate “in a conservative venue”? How would that be vetting candidates to the American people? Where only certain segments would know which candidate stood for certain issues. Instead of being in the open you want to make backroom deals. Isn’t that what you accuse the Democrats of doing? These debates have been refreshing and disgusting at the same time,(alot of foot in mouth disease). Yet both parties should be upfront about all the issues so we know which shoe fits.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Unfortunately, the MSM is paying much to much attention to Romney and Perry, neither of which is the best choice of a candidate for the Republican Party. All the while, basically ignoring Gingrich, Bachmann, and Paul who would be much better choices. Huntsman, Santorum, Johnson, Romer, and Cain should all withdraw immediately and back/endorse one of the other three viable candidates. Romney or Perry will not get my vote in the primary nor the general election. They are the food fight candidates.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Capitalist at Birth… I disagree that Cain should pull out. He is a front runner and a worthy opponent. Perry and Romney need to focus on our country’s needs instead of trying to smear each other.

      • BigBadJohn

        Perry and Romney sound like little girls arguing who has the best hair cut.

    • Michael Lewis

      Campaign laws give corporations a megaphone and muzzle grassroots communications. If freedom of religion was defined using the same logic campaign reforms use to define a free press only the church or synagogue “as an institution” would enjoy freedom of religion, not its parishioners.

      2 USC 431 (9) (B) (i) The term “expenditure” does not include any news story, commentary, or editorial distributed through the facilities of any broadcasting station, newspaper, magazine, or other periodical publication, unless such facilities are owned or controlled by any political party, political committee, or candidate;

      This law divides participation in America’s political process into two categories: The regulated majority, every living U.S. Citizen, candidate for office, political party and political organization and the unregulated commercial media.

      But freedoms of speech, press and assembly are the unalienable rights of flesh and blood people and not corporations. Newspapers have the right to publish because they employee people and not the other way around.

      This leaves the unrestricted institutional press in a unique position to decide what issues and candidates are important enough to discuss.

      To restore equal protection under law, the “press exemption” should be modified to read: “The term expenditure does not include any news story, commentary, or editorial distributed by any citizen, citizens group, broadcasting station, newspaper, magazine, or other periodical publication.”

      There is no Constitutional basis for making political coordination a crime? Does a candidate for office have the responsibility or authority to tell a citizen or citizens group they cannot simultaneously put out campaign materials from the candidate and a grass roots organization that supports the candidate? Where in the Constitution does participating in politics require a candidate or citizen to give up 1st Amendment freedoms of assembly and association?

      The 1st Amendment does not guarantee our freedoms; it only denies Congress the authority to write laws that abridge them. Only Congress can violate the 1st Amendment and the Federal Campaign Act and the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act do. These laws abridge freedoms of speech, press by limiting how much money individual citizens and citizens groups can donate to their candidates and issues, and they abridge freedom of assembly by declaring it a crime for candidates, political parties and grass roots organizations to coordinate their advertising campaigns.

    • Reality_Check






      In 2005, a memo from the Massachusetts governor’s office noted that the new policy on carbon emissions had been in part drawn up with advice and input from “environmental and policy experts” including “John Holdren, professor of environmental policy at Harvard University.”

      As we have exhaustively documented, Holdren infamously co-wrote a 1977 textbook in which he advocated the formation of a “planetary regime” that would use a “global police force” to enforce totalitarian measures of population control, including forced abortions, mass sterilization programs conducted via the food and water supply, as well as mandatory bodily implants that would prevent couples from having children.

      Holdren is a Malthusian fanatic in the tradition of the arcane anti-human ideology that originated amongst British aristocracy in the 19th century… and both Obama and Romney have looked to him to form their policies.


      10-17-11 INVESTORS.COM TITLE: Romney Took Advice From Obama’s Eugenics Enthusiast Science Czar



      “We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism,
      but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses
      of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” -Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959


      LAST QUOTE THAT SPEAKS VOLUMNS: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully … the foreign students … the Marxist professors,” President Barack Obama in “Dreams from My Father.” OBAMA

  • 4-just_us

    Ron Paul is the only candidate with real substance but most people don’t recognise it when they hear it. Too many people vote for the best looking, best dressed, most hair, most sex appeal, and who’s name they here the most thanks to the elite who owns the presses.

    • BigBadJohn

      “Too many people vote for the best looking, best dressed, most hair, most sex appeal”

      Exactly why it is all about Perry and Romney – who has the best hair!

  • jenersea

    These debates are needed so people know how the candidates feel about the issues, how else would we know? Don’t worry about bad feelings between them later on. Its always forgiven. Look at the way Clinton and Obozo went at it, she got rewarded later on for helping him out. We need to know where these GOP candidates are coming from. Obozo will not be asked the hard questions about anything. McCain lost his pucker and refused to debate him the last time, neither did the media. Likely he will run opposed in his party or someone so weak will make a token appearance to be brushed aside. Media ought to slamming in with the hard questions especially due to the condition of the country. No if you oppose him you are a racist. I would love to see Gingrich and Obozo face off in a debate. Obozo would leave crying. Probably not going to happen though. Let the politicians feel the heat, it comes with the territory.

    • Old Henry

      Remember old man Bush denegrating Reagan in the 1980 primary season? Remember Voodoo Economics?

  • Raggs

    I have to say that these debates look somewhat like a puppet show… I my opinion the arguing and the mud slinging is doing no one any good and it is making the GOP look very stupid…

  • Rhondar

    Gingrich has too much dirty laundry to run. He also lies. Take the federal reserve issue…he did nothing all those years he was in congress and even speaker of the house. What makes you think he will do it now?

    Cain is charming but no substance. He wrote articles that there was no housing bubble right up until it burst. He also said the federal reserve didn’t need to be audited???? CLUELESS

    • Old Henry

      I beg to differ, Rhondar. Cain is a Federal Reserve stooge. He is not clueless.

      If it were not for his ties to the Fed I could overlook the lobbyist business, but the Fed??? Nope.

      You can go to Ron Paul’s web site and then check out his store. He has some very nice tee shirts and caps. I am wearing one of the four shirts that I bought and when I’m not wearing a shirt I am wearing the cap. They are of very good quality.

  • Ross H. Anderson

    The 2012 election will be won by the candidate who is the toughest fighter/scrapper. However, I really wish that the fighting between the POTUS GOP wannabes was over substance instead of mundane talking points. I don’t care that any of them were seen wearing a shirt known to be manufactured in China. Like that is so un-American. I want candidates who are focused on steering this country up out of the ditch of socialism and back onto the road to full, private sector, employment. The next president will have to drag this country away from the precipice of liberalism and ALL its failed policies. What ever happened to those politicians like John F. Kennedy who voiced the sentiment of, “Ask NOT what your country can do for you, but what can YOU do for your country?” Romney and Perry are NOT the best candidates for this country to consider. We will have to have a strong President as well as an equally strong Vice Pres. not the Dog and Pony show we presently have. There will NEVER be one person who incorporates every ideal that this country needs right now, however, we, the electorate, have to do our homework and research the one or two candidates who will bring the most amount of guts and determination to bear on the formidable problems this country currently faces. I for one would like to see a Cain/Paul or a Paul/Cain ticket. Both of them seem to at least have a clue as well as the determination to get the job done no matter what it takes. This country is facing a critical mass as it were of entitlement programs which are no longer sustainable under the current rate of growth of government programs. We don’t need to simply slow its growth as have previous Repub. and Demo. parties, we need to halt its growth and in some areas if not in all, trim, cut discontinue, and shrink the federal governments sway over the lives of individual sovereign citizens of this country. No one wants to to be the first to place their “Sacred Cow” on the alter of sacrifice for the good of the country. Everyone must realize that sometimes, “You have to choke the dog to make it take its medicine.” God save us all.

    • OB1

      Ross, I liked your comment, and agree very much, however what can any of us do when the debates are censored and edited? There are two or three that can scrap it out, but the elite media is censoring everything! Any grand ideas would be appreciated.

      The 2012 election will be won by the candidate who is the toughest fighter/scrapper. However, I really wish that the fighting between the POTUS GOP wannabes was over substance instead of mundane talking points.

  • peter

    Thank you very much, Perry and Romney. We already have an empty suit in the whitehouse and we sure as anything don’t need another one to follow. Give us a break guys. What are we voting for here? It is just the same nonsense over and over again. Are any of you guys serious or just primadonna’s all over again? We really need someone of substance and so far you all plugged out. We have to vote for the least incapable – what a choice man, what a choice. A lttle like putting in the baritone to sing tenor in the choir. Yikes!

  • Pastori Balele

    Did you say these GOP debates reveal “childish,” “unprofessional” and “desperate” behavior of the candidates! Of course they are. Republicans usually are selfish, angry and power hungry people. They do not enter politics to serve people, rather they are there to get power to enable them exploit the weaker. Republicans are also racists. Just see how they are treating Cain. Cain is in excellent standing with ordinary GOP voters. But leaders in Republican and right wing media are fighting to ensure he does not get the nomination. Unfortunately Cain is playing ignorance he is not discriminated by his own party for his race. That’s why I have asked Cain to dump GOP, join the Democratic Party and campaign for re-election of President Obama.

  • Janet

    The Republican debacle is not important. The ONLY thing that is important is tha Obama is re-elected! A Republican in the White House would be a disaster for the quickly-disappearing middle class of America.

    • Old Henry

      Ahhhh, Janet, are you down on Wall Street doing drugs?

      Please “splain” to me what Little Barry the communist Muslim has done to help the middle class.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Janet? Woo hoo! JANET? you were asked a question!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Old Henry,
        sorry, I guess she nodded off!!?!?!?

        • Old Henry



  • Liberty Minded

    These are not debates by the true definition. These are horse and pony shows being sponsered by the mass media and being very obvious to propagate their agenda by what,how and who they ask the questions.

    • OB1

      All media sponsored debates have been biased, questions asked to each candidate highly scripted. This is very obvious to most experienced, wise and involved, educated voters. My personal favorite is to watching each sponsors’ polls of voters after each debate. Paul, Gingrich always way out perform in the polling numbers as to who won the debate. Cain (always in top of 2nd tier or right under Romney), Romney, Bachmann Perry, and Santorum usually come next. Then, the polls get taken down off their websites! In two different debates I saw brief TV shots of Paul and Gingrich looking at each other aghast at what is going on! Paul has the best message, the voting record, the consistency of his statements. Gingrich is a better communicator. Gingrich pools better when he voices Paul’s ideas. Watch for yourself! I don’t even consider Romney and Perry candidates…the were both put up by elites. Just look at their contributors! However, even Mr. Obama’s contributors beat both of them on that front. This election is really shaping up to be a battle for the heart and soul of America, our values of liberty, and a return to local involvement of individual Americans across this large and diverse and unique country. P.S., no more spokes model presidents, no more elitist shills, and NO MORE EMPTY SUITS OR TELEPROMPTERS! AND A RETURN TO SOUND MONEY!

  • Jim

    I am amazed you people choose to overlook the only one of the candidates who is qualified to be president. Newt Gingrich is the one man who deals only with issues and actually states his position on them and offers a solution where one is needed. You need to go to and learn about this man. Read and listen to his new contract with America. Let’s use our heads and support the only person who is actually qualified to lead us.

    • RP

      I supported Gingrich until he voiced his opinion tht judges should be called before congress to answer to them for decisions they made in court cases. The founding fathers wrote the constution to specifically exclude the judical wing of government from political interference. Once congress has its finger into that process, heaven help us when they work in their complete hand or arm. Just think about what happens in th case where justices have to answer to congress and POTUS, the senate and the house and all controlled by democats.

      • OB1

        The judge in California ruled against the majority of people in the gay rights law. Even the majority of Hispanics votes against this monstrosity. He overturned the popular vote and it was later revealed he is a homosexual. This has GOT TO STOP! Our courts are corrupted, our congress is corrupted. At some point, the PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY NO MORE!

    • Old Henry


      LOL! Newtie is morally bankrupt. He believes in the global warming fraud and has publically stated that the era of Reagan is over. Newtie is a globalist Republican elitist.

      I thin the only reason he is running is because his THIRD wife wants to be First Lady.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Old Henry,
        As the old saying go,”let her want in one hand and $hit in the other and see which one gets full first”!

        • Old Henry

          That’s a good one Joe H!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    ‘Getting nasty’?? That’s good!! Mitt-nitwit Romney’s rivals are doing the right thing – tearing him down before the primaries. Of course, we can all agree the most important thing to do in 2012 is defeat the current teleprompter-in-chief. But why would so many establishment republicans want to replace BHO with a RINO who’s hardly any better?? John McCain’s a mushy moderate who lost. Hasn’t the GOP learned from that mistake?? And we also have to remember that McCain’s biggest fault was running such a poor campaign against BHO. McCain actually seems like a conservative when compared to this RINO Romney. And even if Nitwit Romney is a better campaigner and gets elected POTUS, we’ll see little improvement after 1/20/2013. This will hurt the GOP in 2014, 2016, and maybe beyond. DEFEAT THIS RINO ROMNEY – even before the primaries!!!!!

  • RP

    Gingrich is the smartest. Cain brings the new ideas others are affraid to bring to the table. Paul brings back constitutional issues others will not discuss. Perry brings the big ego required to become POTUS. But Romney brings what is required for a Republican to be elected when facing a viable democrat candidate. That is acceptibility by the centrist population of the country.

    However, once the debates are over, the candidate could be injured beyond redemption, allowing the democrats to use words of republicans in negative ads to support B.O.. That is why Reagans 11th commandment is now more important than ever to insure Obama is defeated.

    • OB1

      No! Romney is the choice of the elites! NO! Perry supports NAFTA super hiway and North American Union! NO! Let’s vet Gingrich and Cain a whole lot more…..follow the money…..and thier past and voting records!!!!!!!!

      But Mitt Romney knows how to work with banks…. look at his donors

      Mitt Romney Top campaign contributors for 2012
      Goldman Sachs …………………$354,700
      Credit Suisse Group ……………$195,250
      Morgan Stanley ………………….$185,800
      HIG Capital ……………………….$176,500
      Barclays ………………………….$155,250
      Kirkland & Ellis…………………..$129,100
      Bank of America …………………$121,500
      PricewaterhouseCoopers ……..$118,250
      EMC Corp …………………………$117,300
      JPMorgan Chase & Co ………..$109,750

      I meant to say steel from the American taxpayer.

      Ron Paul’s top contributors:US Air Force $23,437. US Army $23,053. US Navy $16,973

      Let’s add the details shall we, as amounts don’t tell the whole story – percentages do. Among GOP military, Paul got 71%, Cain 13%, Romney, 8%. But among ALL military, Paul got 51%, Obama, 29%, Cain, 9%, Romney, 6%. So the two “winners” are Ron Paul and Obama, and who do you think will get their party’s nomination? The most notable result here is that people still don’t like Romney.

      Obviously someone didn’t listen to what Dr. Ron Paul really said!
      1. Ron Paul is not crazy – he is the only truthful candidate. He wants to Restore America Now!
      2. He never said he didn’t care – he said it probably wouldn’t matter because Israel has close to 300 nukes – that would be a foolish move by Iran. Also, Iran doesn’t have the capability to refine its own oil for their country – they have to import gas! This speaks to their technological capabilities ;)
      3. Ron Paul NEVER blamed America for 9/11. He said that America’s nation building and interfering has caused people to hate America. These are two completely different things! You can’t really say that anyone loves America more than Ron Paul….he is a Constitutionalist and could mop the floor with any other candidate when it comes to the history of this country.

      Ron Paul supporters do not turn other people off and we are not out of control! We have finally found someone that we WANT to vote FOR! This has excited a deep passion within us. Finally we can vote FOR someone and not just AGAINST someone!
      (I really like this thought…..)

      • budman

        I will only ask you why the Liberals and the Communist Party are encouraging the nomination of Ron Paul? It seems to me that they know he would lose.

        Regardless of what you say about Ron Paul being the man, he won’t get the nomination and I don’t think Santorum will either. I think Perry is a New World Order attendee and I hope people do not give him the nomination. The fact is this is about who has the most contributions to influence the decision. Paul, Santorum and even Cain are struggling to raise money for their campaigns and it is pathetic that money rules but that is how Obama won.

  • Ray

    Why even have the debates? I understood the purpose for the debates is for the voters to be informed on the candidates stance on the issues. This is not a forum for bedtime stories or for the faint at heart. Plug into the mix the liberal press who is doing the questioning and it becomes a little easier to understand why these debates are so difficult to get to the truth about any of the candidates. With the exception of Romney I am convinced that even the weakest candidate in the Republican field would be a 1000 times better than the one taking up space in the Oval office now.

  • http://libertynews Tony

    To Everyone:
    As said in an article last week, I’m leaning heavily for Cain. Sure,
    he was involved with the Feds, also, he made a blunder with the mortgage crisis. In addition, his 9-9-9 plan needs some smoothing over
    with him needing to brush up on foreign affairs. But, he has been the most well spoken candidate with the exception of Ron Paul. Let’s face the facts, Mitt Romney is a job destroyer. Back in 2009, he wanted to let the auto industry collapse. That would of truly caused a world wide depression. Next, Rick Perry, at best, is semi-literate. At worst, he can barely complete a rudimentary sentence. He would be a dumber version of Bush II. The rest are drab and boring or clueless such as Bachmann. Therefore, you’ll wont believe nor agree with me on this. But the GOP ticket for success will be Cain and Paul as the VP.

    • OB1

      The well spoken part is Dr. Paul’s challenge. However, the other candidate “parrot” his fact and opinions! Our nation has become media centric! Paul is winning most of the straw polls (not Cain) because of the content of his character, voting record and LIFE!!!!!! I will post at least one Utube where you can see how he handles confrontation and a challenge (he has a great US military record for himself BTW): (go to if you have not yet…:


      Quick video link of Dr. Paul asking Bernanke if gold is “money” plus sooooo much more. This is only one…..He is given rotten questions during the “debates” and his statements, including his closing statement on last CNN debate was eliminated. Dr. Paul is sticking at the heart of the BEAST and many, many people know this and are becoming aware of this day by day. And don’t get me started on Iran; he probably knows and appreciates what is going on in Iran more than anyone in this shill GOP ticket. He IS A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN that has taken up many libertarian values. Many call him the father of the tea (taxed enough already) party. The majority of the population of Iran is well educated and under 38. They revolted after the fraudulent election when Kamheni appointed Imadinnerjacket to another term after Mosavie (Green Party won majority of votes). Mosavi (the winner) and Mhedi Karubi (number two and so respected and loved) are BOTH under house arrest. What did Obama or Clinton do about this??? Nothing! They made a statement..barf. The people of Iran would never support the Muslim Brotherhood! The second largest population of Jews in the middle east is reportedly in…guess where???? Iran! Israel if they wish can and should deal with this! They were “surgical” in taking out the reactor in Syria. If Assad of Syria falls, the Christians in Syria will undergo horrible death, destruction, persecution murder and death just like what is going on in Egypt. Gaddafi and his son are in a food freezer in Libya over a
      NATO led and Obama supported (without congressional approval…again!). Who are the “rebels”? Do you know? Wake up people, wake up!!!!

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniel

    Two bickering school boys , will take too long to grow up, Gingrich and Paul our 0nly choices

    • OB1

      Kinda looking that way. Read my above comments. Let’s watch what Gingrich does. I respect wisdom and experience. Paul’s record smokes Gingrich’s. Can’t lie…love to watch Gingrich debate. Policy wise:
      Paul’s the man. Kind of reminds me of Moses and Aaron on OT…..

  • jopa

    Michelle Bachman reminds me of one of those dolls with a string that you pull to get a message.She only has a limited amount of slogans and riddles, never able to speak on a subject in any depth that matters.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      To give even the devil her due, at least she was one of three to return their gun rights questionaire to NAGR in support of gun ownership!! Cain, and Paul were the others.

  • Michael McDermott

    Ron Paul-Perot Tactics

    The recent attack at the ‘Values’ conference again shows the nature of the guerilla ambush tacitcs of the ObamAcorn’s favorite ‘riono’ – Ron Paul-Perot, and why this Scam Was Intended to Backfire…

    - and Thus Harm the Process whereby a Viable Opponent with a Positive View for America could be selected. Remember – 60% of the electorate voted Against Slick Willie klinton, and if Perot hadn’t split the vote they wouldn’t have voted for that man, even if He Didn’t Hadn’t Done It – “With that womyn, Ms. Lewinski.” Ahem.

    Anywayyy… Having shown up at the last moment for the Sole Purpose of Packing the Ballot Boxes, the Paul-Perot Shock Troops managed to stage another ‘small demicracy’ back stabbing – in the service of their essentially anarchistic romp through the alleged ‘right’.

    Here is what Tony Perkins of Family Research Council related about the Paul-Perot Ballot Stuffing Scam: “more than 600 people, mostly Paul supporters, registered Saturday morning and left after Ron Paul’s speech.”

    In other words – they weren’t there to Participate, they were there to Hijack the Ballotting at the last moment – before the others present who were actual participants in the summit could realize they had a Paul-Perot ’5th Colum’ commando operation going on in their midst.

    Such Despicable Tactics will surely Backfire with the Voters, who have a Nixonian Memory for ‘Dirty Tricks’ during elections – but that is actually a good expnation of the reason why the Paul-Perot Harpies Attacked the Summit – To Soil It.

    Their Candidate is just a Shill for Continuing the Abomination anyway; probably with some sort of hope for an eventual ‘european’ Parlimentary style pay off to the Paul-Perot Partiers – in exchange for their role in furthering Barry’s Nightmare – and thus Harming the Opposition From Within is just seen as ‘good politics’…

    At least for the ‘divide and conquor’ Disciples of the Alinski ‘Rules for Radicals’ caucus – the Un-honorable Barry Soetoro, Esq., Chief Pimp and Procurer.

    Because after all – in an Age of Abomination: Tolerance Macht Frei!


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

    QUOTE – Tony Perkins from Values Voters Summit:

    “I do not believe — nor do most of our attendees (who voiced their fervent frustration at the outcome) — that Ron Paul is what values voters are looking for in a presidential candidate.

    However, I do not believe his followers should be discounted, because they’re reflective of the growing discontent with big ineffective and expensive government, which is something values voters also care about. If Ron Paul were factored out of the voting, the poll’s results are more reflective of where

    I think values voters are: excited by Herman Cain, enthused by Rick Santorum,

    and still pulling for Rep. Michele Bachmann and Gov. Rick Perry.

  • guidepost

    Gingrich is the guy who should be President, however, it will never happen. Why? because he will straighten things out. No-one in power wants to fix things. So, good-bye Newt! This whole election process is a farce! Proof is Obama is President. Who in their right mind would vote again for Obama??? Liberty no longer bends over our cradle. Obama is the best example of POWER BY DECEPTION!!!

  • http://Northgeorgiainspectors Ray Lanier

    RLLanier wrote on
    October 24, 2011 the following.
    I see a lot above that I am in agreement with. I have listened and read up on each GOP contender. Each has a lot of problems. I do not yet know whom I will vote for. But why don’t all of us get on here and really say what we thini about Obama and his president. Another country that we spent lots of millons of dollars assisting the people in taking it over has now gone to the moslem brotherhood crooks and groups that want to boom us and all Christian Nations.

  • Reality_Check


    “We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism,
    but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses
    of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” -Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

    Thomas Jefferson said it Best to Describe the Acts of Treason by people HELL BENT ON CRUSHING AMERICA !!!

    FOUNDING FATHER’S QUOTES MANY YEARS AGO : Long before our time Thomas Jefferson stated this about the socialist state . . . “I predict future happiness for American if they can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”

    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs” Thomas Jefferson

    We should tend to our own needs before we go abroad “in search of monsters to destroy” (words of John Quincy Adams)

    “Liberty is to the collective body what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society.” –Thomas Jefferson

    “Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” George Washington

    “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” – George Washington

“I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.” – Thomas Jefferson

    “Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.” – Abraham Lincoln

    “Man is not free unless government is limited.” – Ronald Reagan

    “A constitution of government once changed from freedom, can never be restored.
    Liberty, once lost, is lost forever”
    ~ John Adams to Abigail Adams July 7,1775



”When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” — Sinclair Lewis

    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” — Thomas Jefferson

    “I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.

    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.”

—Thomas Jefferson

    “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth – Abraham Lincoln

    Orders We Will Not Obey

    “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether
    Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any
    property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be
    pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from
    which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn
    Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this
    – Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island

    If we ever forget that we are a NATION UNDER GOD, then we will be a NATION GONE UNDER. Ronald Reagan

    “We have taken our stand on the side of Korea and our pledge of faith to that nation is a witness to all the world that we champion liberty wherever the tyranny of communism is the aggressor.”
President of the United States
June 27, 1950

    LAST QUOTE THAT SPEAKS VOLUMNS: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully … the foreign students … the Marxist professors,” President Barack Obama in “Dreams from My Father.” OBAMA


  • Victoria

    Please don’t include Dr. Paul in your list of immature republican candidates. He is the only one running that has any class and brains. Ron Paul 2012!

  • AJ

    OPEN LETTER to the GOP
    Any candidate chosen by you guys other than Ron Paul you can kiss your cushy political jobs good-by. There are a lot of us that will not vote Republican if Ron Paul is not their choice. So you’ll be on the sidelines watching the Dems political old gaurd getting the goodies. I would rather see Obama bleed our country “Fast and Furious” than see another NWO patsy like a Perry or Romney and even a Cain take us down slow and painfully following the global agenda.

  • s c

    Whether or not the primary is ‘good or bad’ for the GOP is less than moot. What effort is the GOP putting into the primary? What is it that they have to lose? They don’t seem to think in terms of winning or losing. They simply go through the motions, hoping that some people will see the GOP as a party worth respect and support.
    In effect, the GOP is a bunch of self-made losers at the low end of the gene pool. Some of them are content to know that sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. Unfortunately, they put VERY LITTLE IMPORTANCE on what is good or bad for AMERICA.
    And THAT is proof that the GOP is devolving and will eventually self-destruct. The GOP stopped serving a useful purpose long ago. The GOP does not appreciate the FACT that America needs
    conservatism. Conservatism does NOT need the GOP.

  • Fred



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