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NASA Climate-Change Scientist Accused Of Ethics/Financial Disclosure Violations

June 24, 2011 by  

NASA Climate-Change Scientist Accused Of Ethics/Financial Disclosure Violations

A NASA climate-change scientist has been accused of privately profiting from his taxpayer-funded position.

James Hanson, the scientist in question, once claimed the Administration of President George W. Bush tried to “silence” his global warming claims, according to FoxNews.com.

“In a lawsuit filed Tuesday in Washington, D.C., a group claims NASA is withholding documents that show James Hansen failed to comply with ethics rules and financial disclosures regarding substantial compensation he earned outside his $180,000 taxpayer-paid position as director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies,” the news outlet reported.

“Hansen’s office appears to be somewhat of a rogue operation. It’s clearly a taxpayer-funded global warming advocacy organization,” Chris Horner, a co-founder of The American Tradition Institute, which filed the lawsuit, told Fox News.

Hansen reportedly received more than $1.2 million in gifts, speaking fees, prizes and consulting fees from environmental organizations whose agendas he advocated. “Federal rules prohibit government employees from receiving certain types of income outside their job. Employees are required to file Form 17-60 in writing before any outside activity. And annually, they’re required to submit Form SF 278, after receiving outside compensation,” the article read.

The American Tradition Institute maintains that NASA has never produced these documents, despite repeated requests.

“Should the taxpayer know what’s going on? Should, as FOIA (the Freedom of Information Act) intends, NASA disclose documents to shed light on its operations and its compliance within the law? We say yes. The law says yes. NASA says no,” Horner told the news outlet.

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  • spepper

    Hanson needs to be dragged in front of a Congressional investigation committee to answer for this. He should have been sacked long before this for openly pursuing the alarmist agenda, while profiting from it at the same time. The whole Algorian scheme is to “scare the money” out of people and businesses, by telling them “give us money to shut us up, or we’ll scream to our accomplices in the media that you’re destroying the earth”.

    • vicki

      A protection racket is a protection racket no matter how it is dressed up.

      • Ray

        The only question I would like to ask is, is he still working for NASA and being paid with taxpayers hard earned $$$$. As far as corruption goes, we have the most corrupt government we have ever had.

  • TIME

    The only problem is that Global warming is a cycle, we warm then we cool. Its kind of like Winter & Summer or a natural progression.
    So being a Scientest from NASA his acts are unethical on the low side or outright Criminal on the high side.
    I guess a question not asked nor displayed is did he pay TAX’S on his extra income?

    Be all that as it may he should be allowed to offer opinions as well make extra income, I see nothing wrong with that at all.

    But if he is in some way shape of form using his NASA title to {promote disinformation for profit,} or to {divulge secret intel} for profit then both are outright Fraud as well Felony Criminal act’s.

    • Jay

      Time, I totally agree! Funny how the global-warming hyena jackals, never mention the effects contributed by our solar system to the warming and cooling cycles on our planet! Do you recall that back in the 70′s the issue was global cooling? So-called scientists feared a global ice-age by the year 2000. Naturally, they changed it to global warming. Money talks and bulls**t walks!

  • LAW2

    Climate change…has been happening for centuries! For goodness sake, how else do you explain seashells on hilltops or the Grand Canyon. Get outside of your concrete canyon and you will come to the realization that the alarmists are RIGHT, weather changes! We had an eight year stretch of drought in the ’80s and we just referred to it as a dry weather pattern, wait long enough and it will change. It did and now we are enjoying a wetter weather pattern. It will change also. What I fail to comprehend is how these climate change promoters claim to be able to predict what will happen in a hundred years ( or more) when they can’t even get tommorows weather forcast correct!

  • Charles

    Sadly, I guess I am not surprised.

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    When your role model for honesty on climate change claims the oceans are rising and then goes and buys beach front property. Or when your role model for honesty on climate change tells us that we need to reduce our individual carbon footprint which is tied to larger dwellings and air travel, then goes around the world on a private jet (instead of commercial airline which would resemble the carpool lane in comparison to private jets) and tops of his personal carbon footprint by buying a large mansion in addition to his other residences. Considering the honesty of the role model on the green agenda, it should be no surprise here.

  • C130 Gunship

    IF you really believe in man made Gorebull Warming, or Climate Change, you probably also believe in the Abominable Snowman, Loch Ness Monster, Sasquatch, and 15′ alligators living in the sewers in NYC. It’s all total BS!

    I for one am glad NASA’s budget is getting cut. Tax suckers like Hansen should be terminated.

    • skippy

      C130….what I PAID toward his salary….I WANT BACK ~~~ N O W !!! :D

  • dansiler

    Scratch a liar , find a crook….how did a moon-bat/professional- bureaucrat get to be control of our space program ?

  • Jeremy

    Dansiler, he is NOT in control of our space program. (nor is he a crook, works 80+ a week and gets paid for 40). He has been given the highest honors from his peers for his contribution to the knowledge and understanding of climate science.

    • C130 Gunship

      Jeremy–

      Of course his peers praise the ground he walks on. How else can they perpetuate a massive fraud of tax payers money being diverted from the real science of exploring the universe to being spent on junk science that continues to be proven to be out right lies?

    • Dale on the left coast

      Jeremy . . . didn’t Hansen tell us a decade or so ago . . . That the oceans would rise 30 feet by TODAY????? He is a complete Fraud, like fat Al the Goricle . . . . both have gotten rich off this scam!!!
      Tell me Jeremy . . . What is the ideal temperature for the earth? When Jeremy did the Climate Not Change???

    • Geri

      A crook is a crook now matter how you try to disguise his abhorrent behavior. He lied about the figures in “global warming”; they falsified the reports; they use scare tactics to achieve their goals; i.e., bringing in more money to their own coffers, and they twist the true scientists objections to their lies and manipulation. Anyone that truly believes in “Global Warming” is indeed a first-class idiot!
      Global warming is merely Mother Nature in action.

  • Dan az

    I would like to see his affiliation to the UN and their agenda 21.It’s been confirmed that we are now going to go into a mini Ice age not global warming,I will find that site and post it here today,but for jeromy I will give you this site to brush up on so you can be informed of what is really going on.
    http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/just-another-brick-in-the-wall-un-agenda-21-in-us-law/

  • Dan az

    The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun’s recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin.

    The Sun normally follows an 11-year cycle of activity. The current cycle, Cycle 24, is now supposed to be ramping up towards maximum strength. Increased numbers of sunspots and other indications ought to be happening: but in fact results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

    This could have major implications for the Earth’s climate. According to a statement issued by the NSO, announcing the research:

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
    • TIME

      Dan, Thats a great Post, CM, That was a super follow up thanks to both of you.

      A few facts that many don’t know. The sun spots will as noted get stronger, as we head into 2012 – 2013. The point of this is that the suns cycle has its largest areas where these sun spots come from that will be in a direct line with us from December 2012 – June 2013.

      As well our natural Magnetic force field, for a lack of a better way of stating it has a massive hole in it. Again Proven by NASA.

      JFTR, this in not due to any man made effects, its due to the Earths natural events, earth quakes etc..
      As we have seen a rise in these events we can also expect that we stand a very high probility that we can suffer from {EMP,} during the period from December 2012 – May 2013 if not a tad longer.

      What that means to you, we may have massive power outages loss of all services.
      The point is that the New Madrid may in fact open that would in effect cause such major damage here in the US that it may well fix our problems of being the Worlds Police.

      There are also fault lines in Russia and China that if they also go the massive new dam in China could in fact come down, if that happens. I dare not even think of what dammage China will face, but one thought is that at a minium 400 Plus million could be killed by just that single event.

      Ok I know enough with the doom and gloom, but at least if you understand that the upcoming events may in fact be unique to any events we have ever seen, if they do in fact come to pass at least you will have some advanced warning as the Government is not going to tell you.

      Check into the amounts of Birds and Fish that are for no reason at all just dropping dead near these areas I noted.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        TIME,
        What should we called it, Global Warming or Global Joke,maybe Gore’s Folly?
        A new Ice Age approaches?
        posted at 9:25 am on June 15, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
        printer-friendly Old and busted: global warming. New hotness: coldness. Reports from three different studies released yesterday point to the possibility of an extended period of solar inactivity not seen for three hundred years, and one that could bring a new mini-Ice Age:
        According to three studies released in the United States on Tuesday, experts believe the familiar sunspot cycle may be shutting down and heading toward a pattern of inactivity unseen since the 17th century.
        The signs include a missing jet stream, fading spots, and slower activity near the poles, said experts from the National Solar Observatory and Air Force Research Laboratory.
        ‘This is highly unusual and unexpected,’ said Frank Hill, associate director of the NSO’s Solar Synoptic Network.
        ‘But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation.’
        NASA reminds us what happened during the last such extended period of hibernation, called the Maunder Minimum, occurred:
        Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715. Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the “Little Ice Age” when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past.
        The NSO and the US Air Force Research Laboratory announced the results yesterday, as the British newspaper The Register reported last night, and the NSO specifically mentioned another Maunder Minimum as a possible outcome:
        The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun’s recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin. …
        This could have major implications for the Earth’s climate. According to a statement issued by the NSO, announcing the research:
        “An immediate question is whether this slowdown presages a second Maunder Minimum, a 70-year period with virtually no sunspots [which occurred] during 1645-1715.”
        Obviously, the solution to this (from an AGW perspective) would be to immediately ramp up carbon emissions. Why, we should start subsidizing fossil-fuel use and pay drivers a per-mile tax credit! Build refineries, and fly lots of charter jet flights with only a handful of passengers! Oh, wait — AGW activists like Al Gore already do that last one, don’t they?
        Don’t buy your mukluks for Florida just yet. This is still a hypothesis, not yet an immutable fact. The NSO and USAFRL still needs to conduct research to see whether a new Maunder Minimum will come, or if this sunspot cycle has just hiccuped. (NASA notes in a sentence that The Register didn’t include that “The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research.”) That will take at least a couple of years to see what direction solar activity takes and what its impact on global temperatures might be, so no one should rush into policy “solutions” for climate in either direction. Of course, this is also good advice for AGW hysterics who have been predicting the end of the world in the other direction for 20 years, and whose predictions have so far all failed to materialize.
        Of course, if those AGW advocates suddenly convert to Maunder Minimists, why do I have the sneaking suspicion that the same solutions — central control of energy production and usage, elimination of fossil fuels — will be pushed?
        Update: I was rightly upbraided in the comments by Badger40 for confusing “hypothesis” with “theory,” and I’ve changed the wording accordingly. They mean two very different things in science, which I knew but got sloppy when writing that sentence. Bear in mind that the decline in activity is not a hypothesis or theory, but actual data; the hypothesis is that it presages a new Maunder Minimum-type period of inactivity, which will cool the planet significantly enough for a new mini-Ice Age.
        Update II: Anthony Watts and David Archibald explore another hypothesis of a less-onerous Dalton Minimum. Note the graphs showing solar activity in Cycle 24 and also the North American snow cover over the last 40 years. Since the 1970s — the last cooling period — the snow cover has abated significantly, and hasn’t expanded the last four cold winters, but we will need to see whether this starts expanding in the absence of solar activity.

        • Allan

          Coal Miner-

          People who question man-made global warming will some credibility as a Progressive

        • Jay

          How about we call it what it is coal, A SCAM!

  • Dan az

    What that means is that the sun is going into its hibernation cycle that started the mini ice age of the past.

  • Dan az

    Her is that site I was looking for that explains it all.
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37692#When:16:21:17Z

  • Rennie

    I wonder how much of his unexplained cash and gifts came from the nuclear power industry and carbon credit traders?

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Sun’s Output to Fall … Leading to a Mini Ice Age …

    18 Jun 2011 … The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun’s recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin. …http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/06/suns-output-to-fall-leading-to-mini-ice.html

  • Iam

    Global Warming was proven to be a fact this year! Get this: during January, the temperature across the norther states averaged 10 degrees below zero. Now, just six short months later, the average temperature across that same area averages more than 80 degrees above zero!

    See? Global Warming, proven and un-arguable.

    That is, if you are too damned stupid to know that the cycle repeats every year.

    • vicki

      Lol. Thanks Iam. That was one of my earliest responses to someone who kept trying to claim global warming was out to get us.

      I told them that global warming (it was Feb I think) was certainly happening. Around here we called it Summer. Happens every year.

  • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

    HMMMM, A TAXPAYER FUNDED “ROGUE OPERATION” ? OH, SAY IT ISN’T SO !!! SOUNDS LIKE ANY 3 OR 4 LETTER ACRONYMN GOVERNMENT AGENCY IN OPERATION TODAY. SO WHAT’S SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS GUY THAT WARRANTS HIS BEING SINGLED OUT ? BY GOVERNMENT STANDARDS THESE DAYS, IT’S JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL. MAYBE HE FORGOT TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE CAPO ABOVE HIM & THE BOSSES DECIDED NOT TO PROTECT HIM FROM THE ENFORCER. GOT TO LET ‘EM WET THEIR BEAKS, RIGHT ? I’VE SEEN ENOUGH MAFIA MOVIES TO KNOW HOW THAT SCENE GOES. NOW HE DISAPPEARS IN THE SWAMPS OF JERSEY (OR, THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE HERE), NEVER TO BE HEARD FROM AGAIN, A NEW LEIUTENANT IS PUT IN HIS OLD JOB WITH A STIFF WARNING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST GUY WHO DIDN’T FLY STRAIGHT & THINGS GO ON AS USUAL. GEE, WHO KNEW THAT A LIFETIME OF WATCHING GANGSTER MOVIES WOULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE GOVERNMENT LATER ON IN LIFE ? GO FIGURE……….

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    ScienceDaily (June 21, 2011) — The causes of melting of tropical glaciers over the past 10,000 years have at last been unveiled by a team of French researchers from CNRS, CEA, IRD and Université Joseph Fourrier, together with a US researcher from the University at Albany (State University of New York). They have shown that the retreat of the Telata glacier in Bolivia over that period is mainly linked to a 3°C rise in air temperature and to the warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean.

    Instrumental temperature record
    Their work was published online in the journal Nature.

    In the collective imagination, “tropical glacier” seems to be a contradiction in terms. And yet tropical glaciers do exist, mainly in the Andes. To identify the causes of their retreat, it is necessary to understand their recent history.

    The team of researchers studied one of the high-altitude glaciers in the Cordillera Real range in Bolivia, called the Telata. The moraines (rocks deposited by the glacier, marking its earlier positions) from the Telata, which are numerous and very well preserved, make this a unique site in tropical regions. This is because they provide an almost unbroken record of successive glacial stages. The moraines were dated by measuring the concentration of certain elements in the rocks, thus making it possible for the first time to reconstruct the history of the glacier during the Holocene, in other words over the past 10 000 years. During that period, the surface area of the glacier decreased and its front retreated by 3 km. The glacial retreat, which was initially slow, has accelerated since the beginning of the 19th century, retreating by 2 km since 1820.

    The researchers from the various laboratories involved studied the possible link between the glacial volume and the prevailing temperature and precipitation values for different positions of the glacier in the past. Calculations show that the glacier’s retreat is mainly linked to warming of around 3 °C over the whole Holocene period. The very gradual increase in solar radiation at Earth’s surface affected the surface temperature of the tropical Pacific Ocean as well as the climate in the vicinity of the glacier. The increase in temperatures modified the behavior of the glacier and explains why it has retreated. However, numerical simulations with climate models show that variation in precipitation over the past 10 000 years was insufficient to affect the evolution of the glacier.

    This is the first time that a study shows that the melting of these glaciers during the Holocene was closely connected to variations in surface temperatures of the tropical Pacific Ocean. The research therefore confirms the exceptional nature of the rapid melting observed since the industrial revolution. Melting since 1820 is not linked to variations in insolation but to other mechanisms. This work shows the extreme vulnerability, over the next decades, of these tropical glaciers, which are located at high altitude in an area where warming in the 21st century is predicted to be at its highest (4-5 °C in the Telata region).

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      ATTENTION:
      Life After ‘Snowball Earth’: New Fossils Suggest Rapid Recovery of Life After Global Freeze
      ScienceDaily (June 16, 2011) — The first organisms to emerge after an ancient worldwide glaciation likely evolved hardy survival skills, arming themselves with tough exteriors to weather a frozen climate.

      Researchers at MIT, Harvard University and Smith College have discovered hundreds of microscopic fossils in rocks dating back nearly 710 million years, around the time when the planet emerged from a global glaciation, or “Snowball Earth,” event. The fossils are remnants of tiny, amoeba-like organisms that likely survived the harsh post-glacial environment by building armor and reaching out with microscopic “feet” to grab minerals from the environment, cobbling particles together to make protective shells.

      The discovery is the earliest evidence of shell building, or agglutination, in the fossil record. The team found a diversity of fossils, suggesting life may have recovered relatively quickly following the first major Snowball Earth event. The researchers report their findings in an upcoming issue of Earth and Planetary Science Letters.

      The widely held Snowball Earth theory maintains that massive ice sheets covered the planet from pole to pole hundreds of millions of years ago. Geologists have found evidence of two major snowball periods — at 710 and 635 million years ago — in glacial deposits that formed close to the modern equator. Fossil records illustrate an explosion of complex, multicellular life following the more recent ice age. However, not much is known about life between the two major glaciations — a period of about 75 million years that, until now, exhibited few signs of life.

      “We know quite well what happened before the first Snowball, but we have no idea what happened in between,” says Tanja Bosak, assistant professor of geobiology at MIT, and the paper’s lead author. “Now we’re really starting to realize there’s a lot of unexpected life here.”

      Ice Age armor

      Bosak’s colleagues, Francis Macdonald of Harvard and Sara Pruss of Smith, trekked to northern Namibia and Mongolia to sample cap-carbonate rocks — the very first layers of sediment deposited after the first ice age. The team hauled the samples back to Cambridge, where Bosak dissolved the rocks in acid. She plated the residue on slides and looked for signs of fossilized life. “It’s a little bit like looking at clouds, trying to pick out shapes and seeing if anything’s consistent,” Bosak says.

      Peering at the sludge through a microscope, she discovered a sea of tiny dark ovals, each with a single notch at its edge. To get a closer look, Bosak used scanning electron microscopy to create high-resolution, three-dimensional images, revealing hollow, 10-micron-thick shells. Fossils from Namibia were mostly round; those from Mongolia, more tube-like. Most fossils contained a slit or neck at one end, from which the organism’s pseudopodia, or feet, may have protruded.

      Bosak analyzed the shells’ composition using X-ray spectroscopy, finding a rough patchwork of silica, aluminum and potassium particles that the organism likely plucked from the environment and glued to its surface.

      Bosak says these single-celled microbes may have evolved the ability to build shells to protect against an extreme deep-ocean environment, as well as a potentially growing population of single-celled species, some of which may have preyed on other organisms.

      A Snowball window

      “We can now say there really were these robust organisms immediately after the first glaciation,” Bosak says. “Having opened this kind of window, we’re finding all kinds of organisms related to modern organisms.”

      The closest modern relative may be testate amoebae, single-celled microbes found in forests, lakes and peat bogs. These tiny organisms have been known to collect particles of silica, clay minerals, fungi and pollen, cementing them into a hard cloak or shell. Bosak says testate amoebae were extremely abundant before the first Snowball Earth, although there is no robust evidence that the plentiful protist evolved its shell-building mechanism until after that ice age.

      Bosak’s guess is that the post-glacial environment was a “brine” teeming with organisms and newly evolved traits. She says the group plans to return to Mongolia to sample more rocks from the same time period, and hopes other researchers will start to investigate rates of evolutionary change in similar rocks.

      Andrew Knoll, the Fisher Professor of Natural History and professor of earth and planetary sciences at Harvard, says the group’s findings point to a potentially rich source of information about the kinds of life able to persist between glacial periods.

      “To date, we’ve known very little about life between the two large ice ages,” Knoll says. “With this in mind, the new discoveries are truly welcome.”

  • northbrook

    He falls in with his mentor Gore profiteering off the trust of the people.

    • C130 Gunship

      I might give climate change scientists a tiny bit of credit when meteorologists can accurately predict the weather for 4 days in a row……….

  • Ol Fuddie Duddie

    When all the scientists and students of our indoctrinated high schools and colleges profess to believe in “Junk Science”, it is easy to understand. They have learned well to “Know What To Think”. On the other hand, there are many who have evolved through these government supported “think tanks” without being indoctrinated, or they graduated from home schooling or private schools, and they have learned “How To Think”. What a difference between government indoctrination and freedom to learn to think. Even some of our most gifted politcos’ follow the rantings of Al “big spender hipocritical” Gore.

  • s c

    Imagine that! Yet another scandal in this pathetic, scandal-ridden [but SOMEHOW] “transparent” administration. Hey, Herr Obummer. You missed one. You could have had a new EPA Director or another science ‘Director’ geekoid.
    Oh, well, there’s always another election coming up, and this bum can run for office – as an unethical, sell-my-arse-for-integrity, ultraliberal progressive, of course.

  • i41

    Who would have thunk it about the pie in the sky and their stats, that can be always made to prove up is down. Any see slub Gore in the back ground with Onumnutts on his knees, or of Plugs Biden’s lips moving.

  • jopa

    Be nice to see a story about the scumbag Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Cort.Talk about ethics violations and being above the law this crackpot takes the cake.Time for reform!!Marcy had to look long and hard to find one NASA scientist doing wrong and Bingo , there was Thomas right before her eyes, and he was overlooked.

    • Jay

      Be nice to see a story about the scumbag Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Cort.

      And you never will jopa, as Clarence thomas is above reproach! All you need to do is look to the present scumbag president, there’s your story!!!

      • Jay

        Here jopa, let me help you.

        Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.
        Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

        Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today.

        Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy.

        No need to thank me jopa, your welcome just the same. Have a good one buddy!

  • mike

    Pity you americans are going down.I’m shocked at your position. No ethics , no money in your country (the debt) , yet most of you believe and live like everything is fine.You guys should do something . Your govt is looting you, yet you all stay mum.

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