My George Zimmerman Moment

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Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. President Barack Obama can’t stop comparing himself, or the son he never had, to Trayvon Martin. And he can’t stop talking about race. Everything in Obama’s world is black and white. This is not America’s first “post-race President.” This is America’s first “all race, all the time President.”

I see the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case very differently. For me, it was never about black or white. It was always about life or death — for Zimmerman. You see, 36 years ago, I was Zimmerman. Thirty-six years ago, I almost died in a life or death struggle eerily similar to Zimmerman’s confrontation. Let me tell you the story.

In 1977, at the age of 15, I attended Mount Vernon High School in Mount Vernon, N.Y., one of the most dangerous and violent urban schools in America. Guns and knives were rampant. Assaults were a daily occurrence. Every walk through the hallway was an opportunity to be beaten or robbed. Lunchtime was an opportunity to have your lunch extorted by someone threatening your life. And worst of all were the bathrooms. All the decent kids at Mount Vernon High School knew we were taking our lives in our hands if we went to the bathroom, so we didn’t. We learned to hold it in all day until we got home — for fear of being robbed or beaten in the filthy, dangerous bathrooms where hoods, gang members and drug dealers hung out.

The school was about 85 percent black. I was white. But being white wasn’t the problem. Being a good kid was the problem. It’s wasn’t black versus white. It was good versus bad. The good black kids were as readily beaten up and intimidated as the good white kids.

Like Zimmerman, I decided I wanted to make a difference — for white and black kids. I was sick of the crime violence, intimidation and fear. I spent the summer lifting weights and taking boxing lessons, bulked up and, upon my return to school, volunteered to become a marshal. That meant I was part of our volunteer school police force. We were unarmed, but carried badges and walkie-talkies. Our job was to police the halls and prevent crime, drug dealing and cutting classes.

Like Zimmerman, we weren’t supposed to engage, only observe and call for help. But, as you might surmise, it doesn’t always work out that way.

In the late spring of 1977, I faced a “George Zimmerman moment.” As I patrolled an empty hallway in my high school, I spotted a gangbanger smoking and listening to loud music when he was supposed to be in class. I confronted and told him, “You’re coming with me.” The kid wheeled around and pulled a gigantic knife. In court it was classified as a machete (with a blade longer than 8.5 inches). He lunged at me, and I grabbed his wrist. We wrestled to the ground, with him on top. A much bigger kid than me, he was soon winning the struggle and was about to stick the machete into my head.

If I had had a gun, I certainly would have used it to save my life. That was the choice Zimmerman faced. What Obama and the race-baiters call murder is self-defense. Those who make the race-baiters happy by not fighting back are… dead. After the fact, they’re called “victims.”

I got lucky. As my life was about to be extinguished, a principal emerged from his office to check on the commotion.  Like Zimmerman, I’m sure no one knew which of us was screaming in my life-or-death struggle, but my screams saved my life. The principal shouted: “Hey, you! Drop that knife.” The kid ran. The principal raced to my side. I told him what happened. Together, we chased down my assailant in the school courtyard. I lived to tell this story.

Zimmerman’s critics call him “a police wannabe.” I guess you could say I was a “police wannabe,” too. How rude. You know what that means? Zimmerman and I cared about our community. I cared about my fellow classmates. He cared about his fellow homeowners. We both cared about right and wrong. We wanted to protect and serve. We wanted to make a difference. And we volunteered to put our lives on the line — for no pay.

Should someone like that be punished, vilified and put in prison or respected, celebrated and recognized by society? I believe that at the least, that person deserves the benefit of the doubt. I cheer a person who volunteers to protect his school or neighborhood. If only more Americans were willing to police our streets and schools, we’d all be safer. We should be thanking the George Zimmermans of this world.

And as if on cue to prove my case, just days ago, Zimmerman showed the world what a hero he really is. He came upon a terrible car accident: an overturned SUV on fire, with a family inside. He pulled the family to safety before the police arrived. Yes, that George Zimmerman risked his life to save a family from being burned alive. Even after what our government just put him through. Even after so many Americans threatened his life. Even after the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons asked for Federal charges. Yes, they demanded “double jeopardy” for a man found “not guilty” in a court of law. Still, he risked his life to save others.

You know the biggest irony? Obama is the ultimate “community organizer” and fan of volunteerism. Obama thinks if you volunteer to protest in front of banks to force minority loans or if you fight for welfare and food stamps, you’re a community hero. But if you lay your life on the line to protect your community from criminals, you deserve prison for defending your life. Interesting interpretation.

God forbid you ever find yourself in a life-or-death situation and survive by hurting or killing the bad guy. If the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons have their way, you’ll lose your freedom for the “crime” of self-defense. Unfortunately, our President can now be added to the list of people out to vilify you for trying to clean up your community and protect your fellow man, white or black.

Always remember that Zimmerman was protecting a large number of black homeowners in that community. There was never any racism involved in this case; even the FBI confirmed this after extensive interviews of Zimmerman’s friends and associates. You know what the definition of “racism” is nowadays? Anyone winning an argument with a liberal.

Obama fantasizes that he could have been Trayvon Martin. But 36 years ago, I really was George Zimmerman.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for PersonalLiberty.com. See you back here next week. Same time, same place. God bless America and protect us from the race-baiters and community organizers out to destroy our country.

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    On July 19 the Illegal Kriminal pRESIDENTmade a surprise appearance at the White House press briefing room and said:

    There are very few African-American men in this country who haven’t had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me.

    Doesn’t the Kenyan Kriminal know that there is a reason for the following?

    BLACKS rob store at same time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=vqh1x1gJv74

    Mob of African American Thieves Swarm and Rob LAS VEGAS Convenience Store http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvfkk5D8-8o

    Youth Mob Robs Store in DC Metro Area http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7V66pwWYnw

    Teens In CHICAGO Attack And Rob People For Fun

    BLACK FLASH MOB ATTACKS WHITE CLERK, DALLAS

    McDonald’s Manager Assaults White Woman & Her Autistic Sons!

    • smilee

      Obama was talking about the rule your talking about the exceptions and every situation has some but spinning the exception and view it as the rule distorts you conclusions.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        No, Obama is talking about Conjecture — things that anybody can say when they have no evidence to support their lip-service. And Obama is talking about his Racism which he tries to foment regularly even though he promised in his campaign to bring the races together.

      • FreedomFighter

        http://standeyo.com/NEWS/13_Pics_of_Day/130725.pic.of.day.b.html

        If a picture is worth a thousand words, here is my thousand.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Whoever wrote O’s speech did not realize that he ended up stereotyping Blacks and O just repeated for emphasis.

  • KG

    36 years ago. you were a punk kid. Everybody knows that the kids who joined ‘the marshals’ were the “moralists” and “puritans” who enjoyed the power associated with being a pseudo “law” enforcer. And thats who Zimmerman was. He thought that by being a “law” enforcer he would be some kind of hero. Turns out he was just itching for a fight, and he got it. Most real policemen will tell you what he did was really stupid. As well as Root’s sob story. You don’t walk up to someone and say “You’re coming with me.” Unless you are a real policeman with a gun. And even then, real Policemen have a tremendous amount of discretion in their duty. He needed to decide was it more important to apprehend this guy, or go to Coopers BBQ for lunch. Most of the ‘good’ kids who get hurt or killed get it by doing what you did. Most people would just mind their own business. If you wanted to be a ‘hero’, why didn’t you try to approach the young man as an equal rather than a superior?

    • Leroy

      KG, if you have never heard of transactional analysis then I suggest you study up on it. Maybe just for once you might try to see the “other” side’s point of view. It appears as if you delight in siding with the criminally minded non-conformist, which has shown in your past posted comments. So you think that, in the situation Root describes, that the wrong doer should have been left alone to break the school rules? I believe that mentality is the reason crime is so prevalent currently. Its okay to break rules and laws and the law-abiders should just turn their heads and go about their business and hope the attention doesn’t turn to them. For heaven’s sake, don’t make eye contact with a thug! It could get you killed.
      I suppose you have heard this many times before, you are an idiot.

      • KG

        I’m OK, your nuts! OK – so much for the “transactional analysis”.

        What I am saying is on a more personal level than the “general Morality” of society. If I am NOT a policeman, I have no business trying to be a policeman. Most people who feel themselves superior to others (Klansmen, southern Baptist, old catholics, etc) cant help themselves from pointing that out to others they feel are inferior to themselves. And that is what “dissin” is all about. To disrespect a person so you feel superior. And that would anger any human being with an ego or feelings. If I see someone doing an illegal act, I could go home and call the Police rather than risking injury to myself or my family. And that is not a cop out. That is what people do in a civilization.

        • Deborah Crain

          All right KG, we all know that the cops are doing a wonderful job to thwart crime in the most crime-ridden parts of our cities. the general morality of our society sucks, and I for one do not accept that, and will do what I can to stop criminal activity when I can.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The police arrive in minutes if you’re lucky. Your life can be gone in seconds.
          Those people, who don’t want to be a statistic, will defend themselves.

          • Don 2

            If you’re unlucky enough to live in Detroit, the average wait for police is 58 minutes.

        • Bill

          Kg
          It sounds like you have just described a liberal. And you forgot to say that when liberals speak, they are arrogantly condescending but in reality are really just showing their ignorance

        • got my licence

          What a load, “disrespect a person so you feel superior” is the only reason KG is on this site. Zimmerman is what a American ues to be. A true American ia not a blood line or colour but a attitude and desire for freedom and selfreliance.What has happened is we are becoming a nation of victocrats. Individuals that believe that it is never enough when it comes to had outs and its always someone elses fault when it comes to responsibility. Martin was followed not because of the colour of his skin. He was followed because he appeared to be part of the criminal element.

          • KG

            Yea – back in 1859 when the Negroes knew their place! That’s the America I want!

            Did you get your ‘license’ to be stupid as well?

          • vicki

            ad hominem

        • billybob

          I’m sure the German people must have thought just that when they watched thousands of jews being marched off and put into cattlecars.” I’ll go home and call the police!”
          were they a civilized nation? They did exactly what you said. “I don’t want to get involved because I’m worried about my safety and my families safety.” Sadly it is KG’s of this world that are the problem, not the solution!

          • KG

            If you were in the same situation, do you really think that you would have done any different? Just think about that. Because when the Fascist Republicans take over and start pushing ‘liberals’ into the ovens are you going to fight against them or help them push more humans into the ovens?

          • vicki

            You may get to find out real soon now. Where will YOU be?

          • Charlie

            billybob,,, can you define the 4 types of “”Jews”” as defined in The Bible ???

        • Katrael

          Yeah, your the type who’d walk away from some innocent woman being raped or a kid being molested because you’re not a police officer and you should mind your own business. Are you a coward? I’m mean after all, you certainly couldn’t have a more superior attitude than the rapist or molester. I guess that you’re untrustworthy of helping others?

        • rocketride

          You obviously are laboring under a different definition of “civilization” than the grown-ups here use.

        • vicki

          Looking out for your community is not superiority it is duty to be your brothers keeper. Not by stealing someones wealth at (government) gunpoint to give to your pet “brother” as is suggested by many well known liberals that post here.

          Oh and Leroy did not say you were nuts. He said you were an idiot. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot

          Anyone reading your posts might also come to the same conclusion.

        • Charlie

          KG,,, when is your next mind adjustment appointment ? have your “”Handlers”” make it sooner because you need a new “Tune” or tune-up……………………….

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Leroy says — “Maybe just for once you might try to see the “other” side’s point of view”.
        That might be the case if KGB was here to learn anything. He isn’t. He’s here to interfere with other people learning the concepts of Freedom, and to spread his Failed Communist Propaganda.

        • vicki

          But he is a good foil for us to show the fallacy of the liberalism he claims to espouse. :)

    • Don 2

      I’d much rather have George Zimmerman as a neighbor than a whacko nut like you KG.

      • KG

        I might be your neighbor – how would you know?

        Nighty nite!

        • rocketride

          You could be a Cocker spaniel in Ulan Bator for all we know. That’s the beauty of the internet.

          • KG

            Now, that’s comedy!

        • Don 2

          Nah, you’d have to be a tree to be my neighbor. Anyways, I don’t have any union punks nearby, so that leaves you out!

        • vicki

          We know our neighbors. None have your attitude.

    • guest233

      Whoa..you must be listening to CNN and NBC. Both those networks have been found to be blatently lying about the truth concerning what happened that night to Zimmerman. There is a saying’ lie to me once and shame on you, lie to me again and shame on me’. All the evidence says it was Trayvon looking for a fight. According to trayvons friend, he did make it to his dad’s girlfriends apartment only to double back to confront Zimmerman.He couldn’t let that ‘crazy ass cracker’ get away.And the screams everyone is talking about..Zimmerman screamed 14 times for help before he drew is gun..i do believe trayvon was screaming as well..screaming profanities at Zimmerman to shut the f..up and ‘your gonna die tonight’.One more thing..on trayvons phone..he and his dad were looking for a gun to aquire. Trayvon by all accounts was a violent brutal young man who loved his drugs and his fighting.

      • KG

        Where did you get your info? from that esteemed bastion of utter nonsense called FOX? Irregardless of what Trayvon may have said or did, Zimmerman was the adult and he should have acted like an adult rather than a scared teenager with a superiority complex.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Well he certainly didn’t get his info from the Non-Credible Socialist Progressive that we know as KGB.

        • Robin Palmer

          He got his information from the court proceedings. Are you incapable?

        • Katrael

          At 6′ 3″ Martin wasn’t just a scared teenager. He was looking for trouble by being where he wasn’t supposed to be. If Zimmerman had known who Martin was, ie, a known local peaceful resident, then he wouldn’t have had an issue with Martin. Martin could have said “Hi Mr. Z and then just go on about his business. Instead Martin turned feral and attacked Zimmerman.

          • KG

            That’s what sheriff Harry Lee said in New Orleans 20 years ago.

            “If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There’s a pretty good chance they’re up to no good. It’s obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood—I’m not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they’re on one of the side streets and they’re cruising around—they’ll be stopped.”

          • Katrael

            You seem to be an obtuse man. Apparently this neighborhood that Zimmerman lived in had been besieged by frequent burglaries where at least one of them had been committed by a black youth. Zimmerman had made 46 calls about problems in his neighborhood to the authorities in the previous 14 months and those authorities had shown no concern as to the frequency of Zimmerman’s calls; they thought it was normal and proper.

            It’s not that Martin didn’t have a right to walk down the street it’s just that Martin looked suspicious and out of place to Zimmerman. Now why did Zimmerman call Martin a punk? Did Martin egg Zimmerman on before the final confrontation? I don’t know. It’s apparent that the two men didn’t know each other and that Zimmerman had plenty of reason to suspect Martin’s presence there on a rainy night.

          • KG

            46 calls in 14 months? That’s almost 4 calls a month. How many times have you called the Police in your whole life? It seems as though Zimmerman was the neighborhood busybody who had to get into everyone’s business rather than someone really worried about real crime. I imagine the Police at the station –

            Hello, APD, how can I help you?

            There’s a young Black man walking down the street!

            (…huh? Oh it’s that Zimmerman guy again….)

            No worrys Mr Zimmerman, He’s probably just going to visit his girlfriend or something

            BBBUUTTT HES BBBBLACK! I’m Scarred!!!

          • vicki

            IF Martin had been a scared teenager he would have gone home and STAYED inside. Maybe even called the police.

          • Katrael

            Good point. Why didn’t he call the police instead of talking with his girlfriend? I really have a problem with this case. I hadn’t been following it at all. It’s not that I don’t care about the death of Martin because that is a tragedy, but I knew from the beginning that the media was going to spin this in the wrong direction. The bottom line is that I’m having to do research so that I can make an attempt at some kind of a factual response. I see this case, not as one of race but as another way for our government to continue to take our rights away.
            There are things that I really don’t know and I’ve been getting conflicting stories.
            Also, people like Robbie and KG bother me. I know I shouldn’t let them get to me but Robbie’s from Canada and they have their own problems there. Why does he worry so over our business? KG sounds like a flaming liberal and it really sounds as if he’s just looking for responses? I know there are others on this site that are like Robbie and KG but I have so little time to read everything here. You really sound as if you have yourself collected? Sorry about the long reply. Live well and prosper. .

        • vicki

          Argument to ridicule

      • rg2142

        You are right, and the race baiters wanted Zimmerman arrested and prosecuted, well they got that, but that’s not what they really wanted they thought it was supposed to include hung by the neck until dead. Hussein Obama, is a spineless worm. And you and your Bimbo friend Hillary, and little boy and yes man eric are guilty of murder and treason in Benghazi, you three punks, orchestrated the whole attack, then partied afterward when you gave the stand down order to cover-up the death facts. You think Zimmerman is worried about daily death threats, I think not, hes the real deal. You don’t deserve to be called black, you are a little nothing. before your done patying at the WH you will be on trial for treason.

        • Thomas Jones

          The fact is you a punk white who does not deserve ti live a country where we are all Equal. Go somewhere overseas and stay there.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a racist, Thomas. You don’t want equality, you want special privilege.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Where does your Equality come from? Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc., they make you Equal and give you Equality at what COST?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You accuse people of racism, yet by your words you condemn yourself to being a worse racist.

          • rocketride

            And so well-spoken, too.

      • rocketride

        According to the autopsy results, Trayvon’s liver said that he loved the drugs way too much. I’m guessing that his brain was similarly shop-worn.

    • wowlikewow

      you too kg, you as big an idiot as rustabutt!!!

      • smilee

        Difference being, KG told the truth in a civilized manner you just ranted and raved about nothing showing your irrelevant.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Yes, KGB revealed his disrespectful Socialist tendencies quite well with — “36 years ago. you were a punk kid” and “Most real policemen will tell you what he did was really stupid. As well as Root’s sob story”.

          • KG

            Oh, and you are a shining knight of civility?
            It’s time to be honest about ourselves, or is that too scary to contemplate?

          • Vigilant

            KG’s really blown a fuse today. I enjoy watching communists melt down.

    • Bill

      Everybody is an expert but no one was there

    • billybob

      KG has a very good point. The moralist are out numbered by the degenerates and sicko’s of this world. All we have to do is look around us. You find them in high places or power. I could name them but they do a much better job with the liberal media. Real police do not use discretion ask Rodney King! Ask the two or three hundred people that they have killed in the streets when they out number the suspect fifty to one. Also Police come after the crime has been committed not before. KG’s attitude is you should submit to the thugs. You should turn your eyes and pretent not to see and you should let the thugs of the world rule. Moralist’s see wrong, the brave try to stop it. Cowards see wrong and they run.

    • Katrael

      That’s what’s wrong with this country: people like you would just mind their own business and turn a blind eye to crime and yet your attitude is that we need guns to protect ourselves like the police do. Hmm, seems like Zimmerman had one.

    • Vigilant

      “Turns out he was just itching for a fight, and he got it.”

      Yes, KG, we know that in your fevered and atrophied brain you interpret a man disengaging and returning to his car as a man “just itching for a fight.”

      Then, unbelievably, KG says, ” If you [W.A.R] wanted to be a ‘hero’, why didn’t you try to approach the young man as an equal rather than a superior?”

      Right. What parallel universe do you live in?

      • KG

        I lived in Southern California for 20 years and worked in some of the toughest neighborhoods you could imagine. I know “whatz up”. So don’t go bragging that your morality is any better than any other human being trying to live on this planet.

        • Vigilant

          The subject was YOUR morality, not mine. And communists are morally bankrupt, as the (intelligent) world knows.

          • KG

            So, the US forces in Iraq who focused radar dishes on family homes and microwaved whole families, including babies, were NOT “morally bankrupt”?

            Waderboarding prisoners 10-20 times a day – that’s NOT “morally bankrupt”?

            Having given huge tax breaks to giant companies who raped middle class America of her wealth – that’s NOT “morally bankrupt”?

            I think you moral compass need adjustment.

          • Vigilant

            Having trouble staying on target? Once again, the subject was YOUR morality, not mine (or that of the USG).

            Iraq? Waterboarding? Corporate cronyism?”. Tell me, oh Red one, what in the blue blazes does that have to do with the topic?

            I think your mental acuity needs adjustment. Shopworn Alinsky tactics carry no water here.

          • KG

            You , or your ‘ilk’, supported all of those actions and didn’t see the need to address the ‘morality’ of it. And don’t say something silly like “..oh I didn’t vote for…” or “I don’t advocate..” something that YOU wanted! If you think that you are somehow “morally” superior to ANY HUMAN BEING, then you, my friend, are in big trouble. Because that would mean YOU are ‘G-d’. And He don’t like competition. That’s why He hates religion.

          • Vigilant

            Talk about trying to be God. Suddenly you’re privy to my thoughts and morality? You don’t have a clue as to what I “wanted” or want. THAT’S between my Creator and me, and I doubt you’ve ever walked on water.

            Oh yes, the “morality” of those things you mentioned may indeed be addressed, and has been in the past, on forums that dealt with those subjects and in the proper context. You, sonny, will not dictate the trend of conversation by fiat, as you are attempting to do here.

            In a forum dealing with George Zimmerman, you take the conversation off into the weeds because you have lost the argument. I ain’t takin’ the bait, dude.

          • KG

            Being that you seem to be a sycophant, or ‘bootlicker’ of the fascist Republican/Libertarian/Nazi side of America, I can read just enough of your mind to know what evil lurks there in the name of “righteousness”. All modern day Pharisees exhibit these same characteristics. That’s why when the time comes for people like you to push the modern day Jews (liberals) into the ovens, you will gladly oblige with a click of your jackboots.

            I know we were talking about the Zimmerman verdict. And I hoped there would be a realization of the human factor here. But I know that you gave your heart to Jesus, because you have no heart. You are so ‘heavenly minded” that you are no ‘earthly good’.

          • Vigilant

            “I can read just enough of your mind to know what evil lurks there in the name of “righteousness.”

            If you have the talent of mind reading, you should be on the stage…one leaves in an hour.

            “I know we were talking about the Zimmerman verdict. And I hoped there would be a realization of the human factor here.”

            No, you hoped to divert the thread with an unrelated subject. Shall we talk about the price of tea?

            “But I know that you gave your heart to Jesus, because you have no heart.”

            Wrong again. I am not a Christian. Forget the mind reading, keep your day job.,

          • KG

            So, you are a natural jerk. Figures.

          • Charlie

            KG,,, your agent “”Provocateur”” status is showing ,,,but,,, keep rattling on so we can find IF? your brain was “adjusted” in East Los Angeles or West Hollywood….
            Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing.
            Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • KG

            Charlie, stop being a Pharisee. And see the truth of G-d’s grace and mercy for all.

            Luke 18 (King James Version)

            18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

            19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

            20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

            21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

            22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

            23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

            24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

            25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

            26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

            27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

            Acts 16 (King James Version)
            30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
            31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

          • Charlie

            KG,,,,, your Scriptures are not in context or harmonized with your points……………

          • KG

            Face it, charlie, You are not in context or harmonized. I guess your ‘possessions’ are weighing you down a bit. There was a prophet who sang about this. His name was John Lennon.

          • Charlie

            KG,,,,, your Scriptures are not in context or harmonized with your points……………

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What a load of Socialist Progressive claptrap, KGB.
            Straw man argument.

          • Bruceb64

            Don’t worry, KG and his type always try to point the finger, and change topic when they can’t win.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “So, the US forces in Iraq who focused radar dishes on family homes and microwaved whole families, including babies, were NOT “morally bankrupt”?”.

            Of course they would be, KGB (if even true). So explain to us why you support Big Government with all its coercive Power?

          • KG

            Its funny when you use Big as a magical adjective to make something seem ‘evil’. What about the Big Rich? Or the Big Hedgefund managers? Or how about Big Egos, such as yourself? Our government has a tremendous amount of power, not from selfish, libertarians who only want the wealthy to prosper because their ‘special’, but from the People who wish for what Thomas Jefferson quoted so elegantly in the Preamble of our Constitution (you know, the part you selfish republican/libertarian/nazis hate?).

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

  • Roustabout

    the coward speaks again. What a liar!!

    • wowlikewow

      your an idiot.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Prove he is a liar.
      Who is the LIAR – the ILLEGAL pRESIDENT by name:
      Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL

      Choose one you like the best.

  • Robbie

    The problem with Root’s story is that in his case the fellow with the knife should not have been doing what he was doing. In the Zimmerman case Martin was innocently walking home from the grocery store when he was confronted by Zimmerman who should not have been provoking a situation. That difference is crucial.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The jury, who certainly had more facts at hand than a biased Liberal Progressive, thought differently.

      • Thomas Jones

        To Original Dave H: If the jury was African-American then Zimmerman would be in prison now running from the brothers.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          That was a racist comment, Thomas.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Is Zimmerman black? I thought the juries were supposed to be a jury of your peers. My, my how things have changed when we weren’t looking.

    • DavBow

      The “crucial” difference is Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle. Martin had reached his dad’s place, where he had been staying, but decided to double back and lie in wait for Zimmerman, who he then attacked and knocked to the ground, and was slamming his head against the concrete. Is that the action of a real civic minded law abiding person? Where do you get off twisting the facts to make Martin look like an innocent kid? Get a life!

      • billybob

        I can’t tell if Robbie is just plain stupid or lives in a worlld of make believe. He would last around three minutes in that situation. Or maybe he would have never gotten involved in the first place. There seems a lot of that going around. As is the wont of the leftist media, there has been several stories on who’s house Trayvon was staying at. One story says it was his fathers house another story says its his father’s girlfriend house. I point that out because I believe that the media likes to make stuff up to suit their agenda.

        • Katrael

          There’s no doubt that what you say about the media is true. As far as Robbie is concerned: he’s more dangerous than all of the gun crazed nuts he’s terrified of. He wants to leave our children undefended and open to slaughter. All citizens, especially teachers need to be trained and armed so they can protect our precious children. As far a Martin is concerned he was a six foot three inch man who was where he shouldn’t have been and who was looking for trouble.

        • rocketride

          The two are not mutually exclusive. He could be both stupid and living in a world of make-believe.

          The main thing I have noticed is that when both of those things are going on together, the resulting worlds of make-believe are distinctly sub-par.

      • rocketride

        The other difference: Zimmerman called the police (a non-emergency number) while Martin evidently felt so direly threatened that he called his girlfriend, instead of 911.

    • Glen Welch

      You obviously don’t have a clue what happened. As a neighborhood watch, Zimmerman was where he was supposed to be, doing what he was supposed to do. Martin was not. When asked why he was there, Martin chose to physically attack and attempt to kill Zimmerman. Those are the facts that Zimmerman’s acquittal reflected and brought out. The only racial discrimination appears to have been that of Martin who referred to Zimmerman as a creepy cracker. Imagine if the roles had been reversed and Zimmerman referred to him using the “N” word. Zimmerman would have been convicted and received the highest possible sentence. The travesty here is that it went to trial. Justice? What “should” happen now is for Zimmerman to sue the local government and the media for what they made him go through. It would also be appropriate for him to sue Martin’s parents or guardians for their failure to raise him right and the traumatic events that Zimmerman suffered through due to their negligence, consummated by their public demands that he be taken to trial for “murdering” their son. In my humble opinion, the parents of Martin killed their son by their poor parenting.

      • rocketride

        Don’t forget the other bit of profiling that Martin engaged in, his assumption that Zimmerman’s interest in him was sexual.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So it appears that Martin already participated in male to male sexual transaction sometime in his life otherwise why would he assume such a thing.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Rachel Jeantel on the Piers Morgan show explained WHY Traywon attacked George Zimmerman.

          She said that Trayvon attacked GZ because “Trayvon Thought Zimmerman was a Gay Rapist and Trayvon Wasn’t ‘That Kind of Way’”
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSxdSPn7HM

          This case was NOT about RACISM, but HOMOPHOBIA.

          So WHY the illegal pRESIDENT does not cry “HOMOPHOBIA”???

    • Katrael

      I knew I’d find you here bloviating. Mind your own business Robbie. We, the people in this country, have already determined that Martin wasn’t innocent.

      Have you ever been a victim of a violent crime? I don’t think so. You’re just a snot nosed kid who can’t mind his own business. Let’s hope and pray that you’re never the victim of somebody pounding your head into the pavement. You’ll change your mind about this affair quickly.

      Something we haven’t talked about was the crime statistics here prior to the 1960’s. Life was far more peaceful and tranquil then. Something changed. We went from a country of workers to a country of malcontent shirkers and along with that came an explosion of crime.

      Crime rates have varied over time in the United States. American crime rates generally rose after World War II, and peaked between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since the early 1990s, crime has declined in the United States,[5] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.[2] Wikipedia

      You, with your opinions, had nothing to do with this change in crime here, Your country is rife with violent crime. You need to do something there about that. We’re working on our problems here and getting results while there your crime rate is exploding. We don’t need you or your opinions.

      Root is correct about his experience and the meaning of the public attacks against him.

      • Robbie

        Don’t forget the problem of that sick salmon.

        Oh, by the way, I will continue to contribute to the debate here. Of course you may feel that you don’t need to hear my views but you can skip over my comments easily enough. But as you continue to debate I do get the feeling that you are, indeed, interested. Have a good day – unless you have plans to the contrary.

        • Katrael

          I won’t skip your comments because you and people like you are too dangerous to ignore.

          • Robbie

            Oh good.

          • Katrael

            You want to take away the protection that is needed by our school teachers who need to know how to protect innocent lives like the ones of my grandchildren. It’s your line of thinking that leaves my kids and grandkids open to slaughter because of some crazed criminal with a gun can just stroll into a school that he knows isn’t defended so he can do his evil work. Teachers and all citizens have a responsibility to protect our children from the like of those who would leave them defenseless. All citizens should be armed to the teeth and taught how to use firearms so they can protect our children.

          • Robbie

            My view is that one way of cutting down on the number of mass killings is to insist on total nation wide background checks to weed out mentally ill persons and those with violent criminal records. It’s not a total solution but it would help. Your answer is the one told by the Rick Perry’s of this world and the NRA which is that every teacher should have a gun in class and that armed guards should be hired to stand at every door of every school across America. For one thing that would certainly solve the unemployment problem! That’s a lot of doors.

            But here’s the problem with that. The crazies would simply move down the block to the day care centre. I guess they should ALL be fortified as well but then the nuts would move down to the shopping mall or the bus stop or the cab stand or the factory or the post office or the bank or the gas station or the grocery stores or the mall or the train station or the subway or a bridge over a highway or… well you get the idea. There would be no end to it quite frankly. But in America the gun is so revered and even worshiped by some. I rather like Britain where even the cops generally don’t carry a gun. But we’re fine in Canada. The police have guns and its somewhat tough for nuts to get them so outside of the few gangs and petty criminals and mafia killing off mainly each other we don’t have much of a problem. We certainly don’t have folks picking up an Afghanistan style weapon at a gun show with no background check needed and all the amo they want and heading off to a school to blow away a classroom full of little children. That’s YOUR culture and, frankly, you can keep it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “My view is that one way of cutting down on the number of mass killings is to insist on total nation wide background checks to weed out mentally ill persons and those with violent criminal records”.

            Sig Heil, Robbie!
            And who weeds them out of the Leadership?
            http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

          • Robbie

            This was the best comment you could come up with/ Pathetic.

          • Katrael

            Again Robbie, take care of the crap in your own country before you try to fix things here. You have a much larger country with a much smaller population. And like here, your poorer class of people are the ones who end up in prison the most. The overall crime rate has been dropping in this country while it has been rising in yours. The murder rates by comparison are not all that far apart and your country experiences a much higher non violent crime rate. Auto theft in your country is many times higher than hear.
            Also, I believe your concern for Martin is just a smoke screen to cover up your fear. We’re fixing things here and you need to fix things there so you won’t have to live in fear.

          • Robbie

            Now it’s auto theft! Would that be more or less of a worry than the sick salmon?

          • Katrael

            Aw gee Robbie, you don’t like me pointing out that your country has many problems of it’s own to deal with. Oh, I would say that crime of all sorts is a sign of sickness including your government’s criminal attempt to cover up this sick salmon problem. You also don’t want to acknowledge you countries explosion in violent crimes including rape and murder and instead of doing something there you come here(figuratively speaking) to do something about it here. Kinda like treating diarrhea by working on the plumbing to your toilet. Not very smart.

            The United States isn’t responsible for your nations problems contrary to your apparent belief that it is. Grow up boy.

          • Robbie

            There is no explosion of violent crime here and death by gunfire is still far higher in the states than here. The sick salmon problem is over so that’s a relief and I’m sure there is auto theft – as there is everywhere – but I don’t know anyone who has ever had their car stolen. Don’t hear much about that issue. I had a car stolen about 35 years ago – my only experience with car theft. And as for Canada violently attacking other nations if your example is fighting Hitler back some 70 years ago, well, that’s not much of a violent national track record of foreign invasions and besides you were in on that one as well. Mind you you did come in late.

          • Katrael

            I would consider a seven percent increase in violent crime to be and explosion. Here’s a short answer about Canada’s involvement in armed conflicts:

            The U.S. assembled a coalition of forces to join it in opposing Iraq’s
            aggression, consisting of forces from 34 countries: Argentina,
            Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France,
            Greece, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger,
            Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Portugal, Qatar, South Korea, Saudi Arabia,
            Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Spain, Syria, the United Arab
            Emirates, the United Kingdom and the U.S. itself.[74] U.S. Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. was designated to be the commander of the Coalition forces in the Persian Gulf area. Wikipedia

            It didn’t take me long to find this and I’m sure I can find others. How about Korea? I believe that Canada had 30,000 troops who fought there.

          • Robbie

            Canada did contribute to United Nations forces to defend South Korea against the communist invasion. Canada was a small part of the first Iraq “war but we rejected participating in the George W. Bush invasion of Iraq. We are also in Afghanistan and as noted before we fought Hitler and the Nazis in WWII. Canada has also always contributed to U.N. peace keeping efforts, in fact that very idea came from Canada. Canada certainly does not have the reputation of attacking and invading other nations willy-nilly.

          • Katrael

            Did I say willy-nilly? Not even as reckless as the US has become does it attack and invade willy-nilly. It doesn’t matter what the intent is an attack is an attack and you just did admit that your country invades and attacks other countries and in so doing has killed countless innocent people. It’s not a matter of who gives permission to do it it’s a fact that your nation has done it. Now, to be fair, it’s not necessarily an incorrect thing to do. I’m just telling you that your leaders are not any better than anyone else’s. You put your trust in them and they, because they are only men, will let you down.

          • Robbie

            We elect our leaders democratically and abide by what they do in our name. We can elect others if we want to replace them. We trust others to do the best they can. Unless we live alone on a deserted island what else can we do?

          • Charlie

            Robbie,,, what happened to Ernst Zundel ??? tell us about “Jew” controlled Canada… How about the way Canada treats their Indians ???

          • Robbie

            Wow, there’s a name from the past! Zundel. Zundel had his legal problems here and spent a lot of time in the court system due to his anti Jewish “philosophy. I think he ran off to the states but they kicked him out over the same sick thinking. Canada then sent him back to Germany which promptly tossed the bugger into prison. Frankly I don’t know if he’s still in goal or not.

            “Jew controlled Canada”? Sounds like you have an issue as well.

            Canadian Indians. Well, the term now is Aboriginal Peoples. Certainly a sad history but we now have 2 or 3 territories largely run by the native people. But the worldwide matter of tiny minorities trying to make their way in an ever changing world remains real.

            P.S.: Try to get over the Jew thing.

          • Charle

            Robbie,,, you know little to nothing about “”World”” Politics regarding England , Germany and / or Canada ,,,OR,,, you’re keeping your mouth shut for fear of exposing the “Truth” …. The “Jew” thing is Exposed in The Holy Bible,,,
            is The Bible True???

          • Robbie

            The Jews wrote the freakin’ Bible!

            Is the Bible true you ask? Well parts are and parts are really total nonsense which even you don’t follow or believe.

          • Charlie

            Who or what is a “Jew” ??? how would I recognize one today ??? Give us some Scriptures that are total nonsense , IN CONTEXTS ???

          • Robbie

            Call ‘em Hebrews if that makes you happy but basically Jews would be folks who follow the Torah or Old Testament. That O.K. with you? Or do you have some nutty New Age thing about it?

            Nonsense? Well that would be eight of every species on earth fitting on a really small boat (along with food for them all for a month. Or getting swallowed by a great fish and staying in the belly without being digested and then coming out alive. Or dying and being dead for a long while and then coming back to life. Or a person suddenly turning to salt or a woman coming out of the rib of a man (who had beed formed from mud) or, well, you get my drift. Or talking snakes. Look some of the folks who wrote this stuff had to have been smoking something.

          • Charlie

            Robbie,,, you’re brainwashed by the Canadian version of The Bible …. Check Modern day “”Science”” and you may see some very fantastic “”Things”” regarding the “Mental”, Physical and Spiritual and the harmonizing of the three…..

          • Robbie

            I’ll tell YOU what to do. You tell me how seven of every species on earth fit on to a fairly tiny boat plus enough food for them all to eat for a month. Do you know how much food seven elephants and seven hippo and seven of everything else need for a freakin’ month? So you tell me how hundreds of thousands of animals and birds and all that food got on to a small boat. Don’t tell me anything about science and don’t mention harmonizing the physical and the mental or any other nutty comments. Just answer the above point. If you can not do that don’t bother answering at all.

          • Katrael

            I can see you revel in the murder of innocent children. You’re sick. You love it so you have a reason to speak out so that more can be slaughtered.

          • Robbie

            I do? And hear I thought I was speaking about preventing such crimes. I think you have misread what I wrote. Or it may be a comprehension problem.

          • Katrael

            No, there must be a reason for your fixation on our problem with crime here and your desire to meddle in other peoples business when you have a skyrocketing crime wave going on in your country. You must get off on hearing about the murder of our children. Why else would you spend so much time on our problems when you have so many at home to worry about?

          • Robbie

            As noted earlier we have very little violent crime up here and a lack of freakin’ guns helps keep the kill rate low. Most murders are domestic and gang related. We simply do not have all the mass shootings you must endure. But then you don’t actually mind them it seems so knock yourself out.

          • Katrael

            Oh, so the violent crime, including the murders from firearms in your country, can just be ignored? You’re sick. I’m for taking those found guilty in a court of law of these mass murders, as you put it, and executing them. This way they will never have an opportunity to do so again. Freakin’ guns? Also, those cowards that attack soft unprotected targets wouldn’t do so if the people who are charged with protecting our children were trained in the use of firearms. The sickness of murder has nothing to do with firearms but everything to do with a sick mind. People will murder with all sorts of devices….like bombs. Yes, we have lots of sick people here but we also have more than ten times the population of your country in a much smaller area. More possibilities for sickness.

          • Robbie

            Again you’re missing the point. I suppose it is willful blindness. Heavy weaponry such as used at Sandy Hook and in the theater in Colorado can blow away dozens of people in just seconds. If you have been prevented from buying a gun and turn instead to a baseball bat or knife or your bare hands it simply takes a lot longer and much more effort for the same result. That’s the problem with guns. No need to discuss the sickos who need to kill others. We agree on that. It’s the fire power so to say that is the issue. Please try to understand that. Guns simply can kill a lot more people a lot faster that a stick or sling shot or bow and arrow or whatever.

          • Katrael

            How about a bomb or even an airplane? Look you still haven’t explained how your precious laws will prevent someone from buying a weapon on the “black market” then using that weapon to commit mass murder. Another point, why should governments and law enforcement officers be the only ones to own or use weapons of mass destruction? Another thing, you still haven’t addressed the issue of governments killing multiple millions of it’s citizens…some estimates put the death toll in Russia at twenty six million, China seventy five million, Germany eleven million, Cambodia two million need I go on? How about the fire bombings of thousands of civilians in Germany? I guess you condone that?

          • Robbie

            And anyone using a bomb or an airplane to murder people should/would be prosecuted.

            War is a nasty affair to be sure but the fact is that most humans are pretty nasty. It’s not the fault of government. If you did not have government /laws/rules/order you have a lot more nastiness than even now. Planet earth would be a lot better off if homo sapiens were removed from the picture totally but, of course, that’s not going to happen unless we finally blow ourselves up.

          • Katrael

            “War is a nasty affair to be sure but the fact is that most humans are pretty nasty. It’s not the fault of government.”
            Really? Who is it then that decides to go to war? Space aliens that have the people of a country in mind control?

            We had the best government in the universe and rejected that government and if we had followed Him we wouldn’t have wars. One thing you got correct is that mankind is nasty, but I think I see where you’re going, you want the plenary destruction of all mankind.
            “Planet earth would be a lot better off if homo sapiens were removed from the picture totally but, of course, that’s not going to happen unless we finally blow ourselves up”.
            Hmm, pretty sick idea isn’t it. And now I know that what I said about you is true: that you don’t care about the well being of those you pretend to care for. Apparently you are one of the most dangerous people to be alive.
            See, myself on the other hand knows that mankind has a brilliant time ahead of him that will benefit all life. We just have to learn what is correct behavior and what isn’t correct behavior. There will come a time when enough of us have learned and we will become the teachers of future generations on how not to war.
            I will say that you recognize that guns don’t do nasty things it’s the people who use them that do. You’re beginning to learn now loose your wish to see everyone destroyed and you’ll almost be there. Do well and prosper.

          • Robbie

            You have knowingly misrepresented my comments which makes you a liar.

          • Katrael

            I expressed my opinion and that is all I ever express so that doesn’t make me a liar. I feel that your opinion that the elimination(to me that means destruction) of mankind from this earth would be a good thing shows that you are indeed a sick person in need of council. You’re the one who feels this earth would be better without humans. Or is it just certain humans Robbie. Yeah, you must feel that you’re one of the problems because to eliminate mankind from the picture would mean that you were eliminated also. You need help. I’m not a liar.
            I don’t believe that anybody who feels the way you do about mankind can have the best interests of anybody at heart. You won’t change my opinion of you. You need to do well and prosper.

          • Robbie

            I know that you think man is the best species on earth because the Bible and Christianity says so. But if one actually observes the actions of the various species on this planet (just read the newspaper once in a while) it becomes pretty evident that mankind is the most destructive species. Pollution, war, torture, hate, prejudice, anger, genocides, exploitation are human “qualities” this planet could do without. I am not being pessimistic or depressed – merely realistic and observant. Of course as humans we have a vested interest in thinking of ourselves as something special – even extraordinary. Most religions ever created help us to feel that way which is why we humans are addicted to them. Well, most humans anyway. Enjoy.

          • Katrael

            I believe your viewpoint is pessimistic as it seems to exclude the idea that man can learn from his mistakes. Well, you’re incorrect as there are many on this planet who know how to treat it and it’s other inhabitants appropriately. There is no future life for those who refuse to learn. Also, man is not the only creature on this planet that is destructive. That’s why many trees in Africa have thorns so that the animals won’t eat them out of existence. Any species can be destructive if they outstrip the resources it needs to survive. Nature has a way of dealing with that and often man gets in the way of it working.

            All life is extraordinary and is a proof of a creator.

            I take it you don’t believe in a creator? Well, I pity you if you don’t because life has no other purpose except for the now. Hey, you even said that. Why not do what you want, when you want to whomever you want? Since there is no higher moral law then there can’t really be anything evil such as murder. It’s just another activity to engage in. So what if somebody takes my life or your life with a weapon of mass destruction? We’re going to die anyway so why not sooner than later? Here’s a dig: so what if homosexual behavior spreads death dealing disease at least they had their fun. Well, for that matter what’s wrong with humans having sex with animals and spreading their diseases through the population? They had their fun. That’s where the world goes when there are no set rules. That’s why Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others could do what they did. There are no rules other than the ones they want to achieve their goals with. The problem for them is that there is a higher authority and he’ll hold all of us accountable for our actions. Do well and prosper.

          • Robbie

            Wow, too many issues touched upon in your posting. Well written as usual.

            I’m not so sure that humankind has learned from mistakes. We are still as destructive as ever. Perhaps in the paleolithic period we used clubs and now we use guns but its basically still the same activity. I’d say the several million years we’ve had to improve is long enough and yet we’re still the same old destructive types. Of course there are innumerable good people in different degrees of goodness. Jesus and Francis of Asissi are personal heroes of mine but my secret fear is that what we define as good may – under the surface – merely be a sort of weakness. In other words if one does not have the physical ability to be powerful one uses “goodness” to achieve the same end whatever it might be. There are some men – for example – who have the physical attractiveness to win over a woman or women. Those who are less attractive must use other means to get to that goal.

            Your point is well taken and noted about other destructive species. Mostly, however, the destructiveness of other species seems to be for food/survival whereas humankind seems to be destructive when it’s not that crucial to survival. Then again the whole idea of survival can take many forms.

            You may know that after WWII studies were done of the concentration camp guards and it was determined that those who were so cruel to others were actually quite ordinary people in society prior to the war i.e.) prior to having the mere ability to inflict pain. It is very scary to say the least.

            On the other hand I was at a lecture just last night given by an author who just came out with a book about an extraordinary Italian who helped save Jews in WWII. A most interesting story showing that, at times, people can, indeed, do the right thing. Personally I have always been kind to others – not quite to the level of a Saint Francis for sure – and as a former high school teacher I have plenty of former students who are currently in their 40’s and 50’s who would attest to that. And I fully admit that my reverence for many of the Old Testament laws has had a lot to do with that. But those laws are man made, not god given. [As an aside I'll tell you that one of my three favourite films of all time is High Noon with Gary Cooper and Grace Kelly. You probably saw it back in the day. Try to watch it again.]

            As far as I know there is no creator out there. The god
            you imagine is just as real or fake as Zeus or Ra or Thor. or the Tooth Fairy or Santa for that matter. In any case
            there are many unknowns in life but I still see no reason to make stuff up to “answer” them. As mankind learns more and more through science more answers will come our way. And if they don’t I really can’t do anything about it and making up some mythology just to make me feel better just doesn’t work for me.

            P.S.: Getting back to the lecture of last night I will state the obvious that the hundred or so listening to the young author were all sympathetic to the plight of the Jews during that sad period. And here’s what I found to be a real revaluation: a woman stood up during the Q. & A. and asked the common question of how it was that the subject of the book came to the aid of Jews when so many did not. And in the conclusion to the evening we were all reminded that we ought to never let those events happen again. And that’s fine as far as it goes and folks around the hall nodded in agreement. But here’s the thing – there are mass killings going on in several parts of the world right now and in recent times. In Darfur only recently many hundreds of thousands were murdered by the Islamists in northern Sudan. And no one in that room cares/cared two wits. So, in the end, it mostly boils down to self interest no matter what.

            And, by the way, I am doing very well and I am prospering and in addition to that I’m thankful for being in a part of the world that is powerful enough to keep me and others safe and sound.

          • Katrael

            Human kind in general is not meant to “learn” right now. The call goes out to many the same way it’s gone out to you, however few are chosen because very few choose. The masses will have their day but not now. Mankind in general has not yet had it’s fill of it’s own destructiveness.

            I want to address something you maintain about the existence of a creator and science: science has become this world’s god. Today, just as in the past ages, people have latched onto an authority that they are willing to defend to the death (most often somebody else’s) and they listen to the new priests just as they listened to the priests of old. Well, the priests of old had their agenda, their power structure to maintain and so do the modern ones. These modern priests do the same as the ancient ones did: they look for the answers in the stars. Nothing’s changed. The new priests are just as wrong as the old priests. The evidence for the existence of our creator, whether we understand him or not, is right in front of our noses and most of us don’t recognize it. Many of us would like to believe that we are so far advanced but we are such a pitifully ignorant species. We haven’t even scratched the surface of the knowledge we need to know. We have yet to discover energies that so far remain hidden to us.

            Perhaps you’ll find this amusing: The Scriptures actually speak about a creation, a destruction and a renewal all in the first two sentences of the book you don’t believe. The very first word is vraisheet and can mean either “in a beginning” or “in the beginning”. I personally feel that it should read “in a beginning” but neither side can prove exactly which one it means.. The Masoretes vowel pointed the first word to mean “in a beginning” and Hebrew, both modern and Paleo, wasn’t vowel pointed so you sometimes have to get your context from the rest of the sentence. The first two sentences say something to this effect: “In a beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth and the earth came to be a void and a desolation and the spirit (power) of Elohim was upon the face of the waters. Now you’re wondering what my point is about this? You can’t tell how old the earth is by the scriptures nor do the scientists know. Also, why should anybody be challenged by some theory of evolution? Since Yahuah has existed forever why couldn’t evolution, if it exists, be just another one of his tools? He doesn’t need evolution to accomplish what he wants, but then again what does time mean to someone who has always existed? I don’t agree with people who believe as you, but I don’t ridicule them for their beliefs. One day we’ll all know the truth.

            The untimely deaths of all people is a sad thing. I didn’t focus my posts on the plight of any single ethnic group. Again, most people aren’t meant to understand yet. Certain conditions need to be fulfilled before that will happen. Here’s something to consider:

            Mat 13:11 And He answering, said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, but to them it has not been given.
            Mat 13:12 “For whoever possesses, to him more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but whoever does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away from him.
            Mat 13:13 “Because of this I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
            Mat 13:14 “And in them the prophecy of Yeshayahu is completely filled, which says, ‘Hearing you shall hear and by no means understand, and seeing you shall see and by no means perceive,
            Mat 13:15 for the heart of this people has become thickened, and their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their heart, and turn back, and I heal them.’
            We do indeed live in a world full of sick people.
            Ever heard of the story of Saint Brenden?
            The laws of Yahuah are not man made if they were mankind would never have any hope of following them. Hmm, seems to me that man can’t even keep the many laws he creates, one estimate put them at three million, let alone the 613 laws Yahuah made for us.

            I like the movie High Noon and have seen it several times. I guess you feel it proves one of your points? It’s just a movie, albeit a good one. I can find many stories both of good deeds and bad ones as well. The history of mankind is a mixed bag of both although I have to admit that it seems that the larger the crowd the meaner they get. It doesn’t surprise me that individuals who seem normal should act in such an aberrant way. Appearances can be deceiving.
            The idea that we are living in safety might just be another illusion we have convinced ourselves about. There are far more things to consider than just bullets. There are also many different ways to prosper.

          • Katrael

            Another thing Robbie, It’s not I who thinks that the elimination of mankind would be a good thing or that I want the elimination of any human on this planet. That’s for the record so you don’t misrepresent what I say. I don’t trust anybody who starts an argument with that premise.

          • Katrael

            One other thing, I very much do want those murders to end but we will always have them because there will always be sick people. You apparently wouldn’t read my post where I stated that I have loved ones that I feel aren’t being protected. No, you misrepresent what I say.

          • Robbie

            I hear you. But if you want to protect people why not support efforts to prevent nut cases or people with a violent criminal record from buying guns i.e.) background checks? You are not being logical. And please don’t give me that “guns don’t kill people” line yet again.

          • Katrael

            Guns don’t kill people

          • Robbie

            Cute but stupid.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Speaking of which, here is an article about what unplanned parenthood is trying to hide from the public.
            http://www.fpiw.org/about/family-policy-blog/what-is-planned-parenthood-hiding.html#comments
            Here is a video about how Obama bin Laden supporters say that race relations are worse under his administration.
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/obama-supporters-admit-that-race-relations-are-worse-under-his-presidency/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “They who are decrying the Christian religion are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”
            Charles Carroll

          • Katrael

            Planned parenthood sounds like a good idea; like maybe they would tell children to abstain from sex? Planned parenthood’s agenda is just what your article says it’s for, the elimination of the undesirable segments of our (global) populations. It’s the same song sung by Hitler and his type but with a new spin. Also, PP and our government have fed the people the lie that PP’s agenda is really about peoples rights to engage in any type of deviant behavior and that there aren’t any consequences for it. It seems to me that the people who have become mesmerized by this song will never snap out of it until it’s too late.
            I agree that Obama’s election has done nothing for race relations and that it has only made things worse. The thing that bothers me the most about this administration isn’t the racial problems, its the slow but sure enslavement of the vast lower class of people in this country which is being accomplished by the lavish spending spree our government has engaged in. Be well and prosper…

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I see you have watched Star Trek. Be well and prosper sounds like something Spock would say. Anyway, thanks for agreeing with me on these items. Its hard at times with all the 5th columners on this site these days. Here are some more articles dealing with abortion.
            http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/25/pro-life-advocates-hijack-askwendy-hashtag-expose-wendy-davis-on-abortion/
            http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/25/poll-americans-support-late-term-abortion-ban-2-1-just-27-opposed/
            http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/25/journal-behind-after-birth-abortions-pushing-doctors-to-kill-patients/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Grateful to Almighty God for the blessings which, through Jesus Christ our Lord, He had conferred on my beloved country in her emancipation and myself in permitting me, under circumstances of mercy, to live to the age of 89 years, and to survive the fiftieth year of independence, adopted by Congress on the 4th of July 1776, which I originally subscribed on the 2nd day of August of the same year and of which I am now the last surviving signer.”
            Charles Carroll
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Katrael

            I used to like Star Trek before it had people like Patric (whatever his name was) as captain of the Enterprise. However, my admonition for someone to live well and prosper has a somewhat different meaning. For me it means that a person should do the correct thing then prosper from it. Kind of like being well balanced. I suppose I could say: do well and prosper or do the correct things and prosper.

            Thank you for the links to articles about abortion. Abortion is a great evil. Anybody doing so will be held accountable for murder. Not only that, but they will have to suffer the consequences for doing that now in this life so there are consequences for doing it now as well as later. It’s time for those who practice or support this practice to repent(turn) before it’s too late.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            If anyone remains silent to the Dems/Progs/Leftists diatribe, they assume that the silence is approval of what they preach,

          • Katrael

            I hear their message and know that if they get what they desire for this country that it will mean the end of liberty here. It’s already bad now. Why are the people accepting this nonsense from our government? They’ve been so dumbed down and deceived that they think that being able to watch reality shows on TV is what freedom is about. They sit in front of the TV and the flickering blue light has them mesmerized. I can’t be silent. Thank you for adding your voice in opposition to this madness.

        • Vigilant

          “I will continue to contribute to the debate here.”

          “Continue?” You have never started.

          • KG

            Vigilant, are you naturally a jerk or do you have to work at it?

          • Vigilant

            Oooooh! We’ve finally penetrated the aplomb of the resident communist. S’matter, KG, your progressive talking points haven’t arrived from your handlers yet?

        • rocketride

          Why, Robbie? Because we poor, benighted slobs just need a master debater like yourself to improve the quality of discourse in this forum?

          • Robbie

            That seems to be it. You’re on to something by golly. Gosh dern’it.

          • rocketride

            Went right over your head, didn’t it?

          • Robbie

            No. But I wanted to agree with the self characterization. That’s why I ended off with “Golly gosh dern’it.” You betcha’ just to show that I was having some fun with it. Seems that “went right over YOUR head”. Hee, hee.

          • rocketride

            It’s mainly the characterization of you that apparently went over your head. (Hint: Say the phrase “master debater” really fast.)

            Your missing the fact that the other wasn’t directly a self-characterization, but a surmise about what you think of us, is just gravy.

            Sorry, but you “opened your mouth” and removed all doubt.

          • Robbie

            I don’t have the time to comment on every clever comment made on this forum.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I can’t say that your comments “contribute” to anything, Robbie, except maybe more ignorance.

          • Robbie

            Thanks ever so much for the vote of confidence.

    • Steve E

      Just remember, there are two types of people in this world. There are the ones that watched the Zimmerman trial and learned all the facts in this case, and there are those that did not watch and think they know the facts.

      • Robbie

        Tell me about it!

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          The verdict “NOT GILTY” in the George Zimmerman’s trial is the great civil rights JUSTICES of our time.
          http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=8689&mpid=56

          • Robbie

            And it sets a great precedent too. Now anyone who finds some else ‘suspicious’ can get a fight going, feel threatened, and blow them away! Justice indeed.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            A Typical Libtardic rant.
            Robbie says: “Now anyone who finds some else ‘suspicious’ can get a fight going”

            You did not watch the Video because you are NOT interested in the TRUTH (as any Libtard!!!)

            Watch the Video and pay attention @6:00. The ‘suspicious’ attacked the “stalker” when the “stalker” STOPPED to follow the “innocent boy”.

            Robbie, you tried your best and you FAILED miserably. The lesson is, never lie again.

            LYING “is the first step towards failure.” – Homer Simpson

          • Robbie

            Maybe you should go in to the law. Either that or nit pickin’.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Robert, It’s not surprise that you, Libtards, dismiss ALL FACTS, EVIDENCES and eyewitness’s TESTIMONY as “Nit-Picking”.

            PLEASE identify the “NIT-PICKINGS” in this case, but without repeating your Bull Poop.

            BTW, I used to work in the “law” profiling IDIOTS like you.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here are some articles dealing with Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11852/further-evidence-obama-orchestrated-irs-targeting-of-tea-party-groups/
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11854/obamas-military-policies-results-in-shortage-of-fighter-pilots/
            Here is an article showing how big business is making lots of money from food stamps.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11849/rich-corporations-big-companies-profiting-from-food-stamp-and-welfare-programs/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The approaching festival of Easter, and the merits and mercies of our Redeemer have inspired me with the hope of finding mercy before my Judge.”
            Charles Carroll
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

    • Vigilant

      “The problem with Root’s story is that in his case the fellow with the knife should not have been doing what he was doing.” And Martin was?

      Awful strange how you miss the part AFTER what you call “provocation.” What part of “Zimmerman was retreating when waylaid by Martin” do you have trouble understanding?

      Unless, of course, you have a psychopathic mind that denies reality. Tell us, oh ignorant one, what happened to the time line AFTER they initially parted company?

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    For the young people who might succumb to the siren song of Socialists like KGB:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-care-laws-success-rests-040100677.html
    That’s right, youngsters, as usual in Socialism, one class of people is necessary to pay for the other class of people — A Ponzi Scheme, only worse because you have no choice.

    • KG

      Who do you expect to pay for your Social Security? Oh, that’s right – you are “special”. You will magically be perfectly healthy and wealthy when you are ready to retire, right?

      BTW, it NOT a ‘ponzi’ scheme. Social Security is INSURANCE. We pay premiums just like any insurance policy. And like any good insurance company, the government’s main concern is in collecting premiums.

      You do have a choice – why not move to Somalia? I hear they pay little taxes and have complete freedom to bear arms as well.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        No, KGB, it is worse than a Ponzi Scheme. The so-called Social Security fund relies on current workers to pay for the retired workers. And, unlike a typical Ponzi Scheme, you are forced to participate.
        Those people who would like to be smarter than KGB wants you to be can read this:
        http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

        • KG

          Duh, that’s what i said! I know the right wing sycophants like yourself love to say “…but the poor pay no INCOME TAXES.” Well, duh again! They don’t pay income taxes because they DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH to pay ‘income’ taxes. But, and this is a big but, everyone who works for a living pays PAYROLL taxes – the ones that pay for Social Security and Medicare. And that’s why our country invested in infrastructure and Universities to make sure our children could get good paying jobs to pay lots of taxes to fund OUR retirement. So, indeed, I am my brothers keeper.

          I keep forgetting your “special’.

          P.S. Von Misies is still a fascist.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And you’re still a lying slandering Socialist Progressive, KGB. But then, I should be more understanding since that’s all you’ve got.
            If the Poor don’t have enough to pay taxes, KGB, then why should they get to vote how to spend other peoples’ money?

          • KG

            Ummm…remember the French Revolution? Where the rich and the Royals were slaughtered by an army of poor, oppressed commoners? Who demanded Dignity and fraternity instead of oppression and servitude? Maybe if someone put Donald Trump’s head on a pike maybe the wealthy will get the Idea. But, as Voltaire said, “Those who fail to learn from History are doomed to repeat it.”

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Though being forced to pay into any government program is a violation of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. I assume you know that? Here is an article showing how the current administration has another problem on their hands.
        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/24/investigation-into-dhs-official-using-his-power-to-help-hillary-clinton-brother/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “God commands all men evrywhere to repent. He also commands them to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and has assured us that all who do repent and believe shall be saved.”
        Roger Sherman
        Signer of all 4 founding documents
        Devout Christian

        • KG

          Samurai, no body is forcing you to do anything. You can go back to Japan and ‘hang’ with your ‘Yakuza’ buddies and eat blowfish all day if you want to. Of course, if you enjoy the freedoms and privileges of being an American, you could stop being selfish and think about your fellow man for once.

          Matthew 13
          King James Version (KJV)
          14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
          15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies! You tell me any working American that does not have social security taken from their paychecks. Remember, they made it mandatory. This means you have no choice. You have to pay a certain amount every paycheck, depending on how much you make. Yakuza? I think you are a little drunk on the libturd sake. Since you posted 2 Bible verses, I have to say that you are part right and part wrong. The part you got right was posting them word for word, but you messed up on the interpretation.
            10. And the disciples came, and said unto him. Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
            11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given.
            12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
            13. Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing, see not; and hearing, they hear not; neither do they understand.
            14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive.
            15. For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I shall heal them.
            Matthew 13
            Verses 10-15
            Verses 11 and 12 talk about how the disciples have been given the ability to understand things about heaven, but the other people lack that ability. Verse 13 tells the reason Jesus talks to them in parables is because they cannot perceive what Jesus is saying, they cannot understand what he is saying, and they cannot listen either. Verses 14 – 15 tells about people who cannot understand anything about the Kingdom of Heaven and it has been taken from them. But, if they did begin to see, hear, and understand what Jesus was saying, he would heal them and their souls.
            Need to interpret the Bible better than that KG. The Samurai is also a senior deacon (안수집사) of his church. Here is an example of what you, along with your ilk, think about Trayvon Martin.
            http://www.americanvision.org/8882/evolutionists-trayvon-martin/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you communist backside out.
            “Do not let anyone claim to be a true American if they attempt to remove religion from American politics. If they do, they are not true Americans.”
            George Washington
            Founding father
            Commander of the Continental Armies
            “Father of our country”
            1st President of the U.S.
            Devout Christian
            *Remember this quote KG. For even Washington says you are not a true American. Ha, ha, ha, ha!

          • KG

            Samurai, you are correct in you exegesis of what I showed you. However, you mis-understood the Audience.

            quote:

            Verses 11 and 12 talk about how the disciples have been given the ability to understand things about heaven, but the other people lack that ability.

            I’m sorry to say it’s YOU that lacks that ability.

            quote:

            …the reason Jesus talks to them in parables is because they cannot perceive what Jesus is saying…

            And neither can you.

            Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

            You, sir, have bad fruits!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            That is what I said. Here is an article about a congressman went after an Obama bin Laden adviser.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-goes-off-on-an-obama-adviser/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GO)D to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Better to fight for something than to die for nothing.”
            General George Scott Patton, Jr.

          • KG

            The web site you cite is owned by the same people who own Worldnetdaily. The Center helped fund Christopher W. Ruddy (who later founded NewsMax) to investigate conspiracies surrounding the death of Vincent Foster, which was part of the Arkansas Project. WJC circulated a video featuring Ruddy’s claims, Unanswered-The Death of Vincent Foster, that was produced by author James Davidson, chairman of the National Taxpayers Union (NTU) and co-editor of the Strategic Investment newsletter.

            And since all of the people are Republican and Conservative, they get their news from FOX.

            You are getting your ‘facts’ from a right-wing Republican/libertarian/Nazi propaganda ‘echo’ chamber. Get your head out of the ‘cone of silence’. hang up your shoe phone, and stop looking at agent 69.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sorry dude, but you are gravely mistaken. Sook Young and I get our news from Fox, but also from the Elkhart Truth (Daily newspaper), NBC (WNDU-TV, NDU is Notre Dame University), and CNN (Communist News Network), so what is your point? Do you have a point? Remember to study your history a lot more to understand that the NAZIs wer socialists, ergo, to the left of center. Sheesh! Here is an article about a 5th columner that could be removed from office.
            http://www.lastresistance.com/2835/john-mccain-needs-to-go/
            21. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, of Ahab the son of Kolaiah, and of Zedekiah the son of Maaseiah, which prophesy a lie unto you in my name; Behold, I will deliver them into the hand Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall slay them before your eyes.
            22. And of them shall be taken up a curse by all the captivity of Judah which are in Babylon, saying, The Lord make thee like Zedekiah and like Ahab, whom the king of Babylon roasted in the fire;
            23. Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbors’ wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the Lord.
            Jeremiah 29:21 – 23
            This sounds like a warning to you and your ilk KG. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai

          • KG

            Tell me one good thing Jesus said about religious people? Or people who didn’t want to pay taxes? Or people who claim to be believers but are actually ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’? You are a Deacon or Holy man – you should be able to spout out a whole bunch of verses that prove Jesus was here for the religious people like yourself.

            Matthew 24:24
            For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

            I am not fooled by the trickery of the Republican/libertarian/Nazi/teabaggers who want to destroy my country in the name of dollars.

          • Katrael

            Just out of curiosity: do you believe in a creator?

          • KG

            I still struggle with saying the word ‘believe’. If you ever study Philosophy, you will run into Kant. And with the Kantian notion of the impossibility of knowing things ‘in and of themselves’, but, rather, how they appear to our senses, to say ‘I believe” is to acknowledge that your belief is strictly based on your own cognition rather than on any empirical evidence. But, and this is a big but, every human being has freedom to choose what cognitions they wish to acknowledge. I believe that there is some “force” or “spirit of creativity” simply because denying that seems to leave me isolated from the rest of humanity. And it’s our humanity which makes us as real as concrete seems to be.

          • Katrael

            Thank you. That seems to explain to me where your thought processes come from. I’m not a believer in most of the traditions that our society believes in. Having said that, there are plenty of things that I do believe in that I hold in common with our society. Traditional moral values being an example. I was taught to seek the truth and in doing so have uncovered that a lot of what I was taught and raised to believe in were nothing more than made up stories whose origins don’t exist in the book that many believe they come from…the Bible, meaning the English translations of the original writings. Things like Christmas, Easter, good Friday, a Sunday resurrection, the name of the Creator and his son, the age of the Earth, and a whole host of other bad translations to numerous to expound on here. The problem for most people is that they can’t divorce themselves from the lies that they have inherited.

            I tend to support people who speak out against the eroding of our traditional moral values as I see those values as being absolutely necessary for a stable society. It appears that when you start to change the mores .of a nation that instabilities are introduced that a nation may never recover from. In other words: once change begins the process may progress beyond the ability of people to control it which will eventually lead to a nation’s demise. I know that our nation is going there.

            I feel that many who have lost the faith in traditional values have done so because of the hypocrisy and lies they discovered. in what they were taught and if what they found is a lie then possibly all of it is a lie. The other thing is that most people don’t want to be told how to behave: they want to do what feels good to them.

          • KG

            From you response I can tell you are a beautiful human being. It’s people like you that keep me struggling in this shared hallucination we call life.

          • Katrael

            Why thank you for your compliment. I don’t share your hallucinations. Maybe if you stop using certain drugs your hallucinations will go away?

          • Charlie

            KG,,, Agent provocateur ,,, it’s time for your west Hollywood mind treatment……………….

      • Katrael

        I tried to respond to your reply however, clicking on the reply icon wouldn’t take me to your post so I’m responding here. I had it wrong, those 46 calls occurred from 2004 up until the shooting and not the 14 months that I originally stated. I apologize for that error. My point is simple: that Zimmerman had every right to be suspicious. Apparently there were 8 burglaries in the previous 14 or 15 months with one of them occurring at a neighbor’s house that Zimmerman had witnessed and reported.. However, I’m having a difficult time finding what I think should be reliable information. I don’t have all the time to research this. If this information is true then I feel that Zimmerman had more than enough reason to be suspicious of Martin who was unknown to Zimmerman.
        What I object to is what seems to be your attitude that Martin was somehow this poor victim of a hate crime based solely on race when I don’t believe that this is true. As Roobie so aptly pointed out: that it’s not safe to stroll around in strange neiborhoods at night. I believe that anybody doing so will find themselves getting into trouble. I’d be willing to bet that Martin knew this also. I can’t prove it.

        • KG

          quote: …that it’s not safe to stroll around in strange neiborhoods at night. I believe that anybody doing so will find themselves getting into trouble.

          That’s true. But most people will tell you to leave or call the police, not shoot and kill you for that. Why give a death sentence for a misdemeanor?

          • Katrael

            Zimmerman may have been guilty of murder but the courts were unable to prove it and it seems that some kind of confrontation occurred. I don’t agree with shoot first ask questions later unless someone’s breaking in my door. Martin was on the street. Zimmerman will ultimately pay for what he did even though the courts were unable to find him guilty. The prosecution did a bad job by asking for 2nd degree murder.. As I pointed out: it’s nearly impossible to know what’s true or not? Of this I’m sure: two people made serious mistakes and one ended up dead. Would Zimmerman have ended up dead if he hadn’t shot Martin? We’ll never know.

  • billybob

    Growing up in the fifties in North Minneapolis, I encountered many dangerous days on my way to and from school. I was the poor white boy walking through all black neighborhoods. Yes I was young, but I remember going 4 or 5 blocks out of my way so I didn’t run into the black gangs. I lived on Olsen Highway. Across the street where it was all black was where all of the shooting and stabbings took place. I remember sitting on the steps of our little quanset hut watching the police then the ambalance come to pick up the wounded or dead. It was a nightly thing. Yes there were days when the black teens would roam around the streets and beat up anyone who happened to be in their way. Old women and men, other teens and even drunken Native Americans who happened to be in the hood. This thing has been around for as long as I have been alive.
    In school during lunch you had to spit on your food or the black kids would just come up and take it from you. It wasn’t that they were hungry. It was a power thing with them. I’m sure there will be a bunch of white liberals telling me that they deserved my lunch or that it was justified that they could roam the streets and beat up people. They can say that because most, if not all, live in the lily white neighborhoods. My wife had never seen a black person until she was in her teens. I can only tell you my expirences.

  • jim B

    BHO and Holder will always have an audience in this world as long as the weak minded, uninformed, and ignorant amongst us exist! The answer to the one question I have always had is… What Do You Want? What do you want that has not already been given to you… free food, housing, clothing, educational opportunities, medication… what! I can no more give you what I have earned myself, I have no more to give and therefor there is no more to take.

    • Vis Fac

      The reason we have the apathetic and indolent is because we have a public education system operated by liberal one dimensional idiot-ology who disregards God and OUR Constitution in favor of producing the functionally illiterate that have been thrust upon society. As per liberal agenda these poor people do not have the skills necessary to fend for themselves and must rely on others to exist. So the answers to your questions are simple “I don’t want to work or be responsible I just want whatever I can get for free, and I don’t care where it comes from”

  • PatCindyCunningham

    The Race Card is being used by Barack Obama and his Liberal Buddies to stop the conversation from the Obama Scandals. It makes it easy to talk about race rather than the criminal Activities this Administration has perpetrated. The big Offensive now, is calling the scandals “Made Up.” Now Obama says the Republicans are using the so called scandals to change the subject from the Economy. We can’t let Obama treat his Presidency like a Chess Match. He will do anything to get his agenda through. We must stick to the truth. That truth is that Barack Obama has no business as president.

    • Nanette

      Why, because the black race has become their “slaves” they keep them on “government plantations” with no hope, no God, no education and no self respect! They are their “mobs” to control for political agendas because they buy them as the slaves of old. They are brainwashed to accept that the black communities problems are because of “racism”, when infact it is because they are “drugged” into never taking responsibility for their, actions, education, morality and work!

      • PatCindyCunningham

        Very true, I am glad others realise this. If this message is not only said out loud but with heart and conviction it will not get through. Whites have been afraid to engage with blacks fearing physical retaliation. That is an old wives tale. Blacks, at least most are ready to engage if only someone like Bill O’Reilly engages. Of course the race hustlers like Obama, Sharpton, Holder, and Jackson won’t discuss these issues. It digs to deep into there false moral imperative.

        • Jeff

          When Bill comes into your restaurant, just give him some MFing Ice Tea so he can get the authentic ethnic experience. I don’t know that it’s possible to be any more fundamentally racist, while denying any racist intent, than he is.

      • Jeff

        The issue is not racism per se. The Black community with all its problems is the result of literally centuries of maltreatment. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but Black people were hardly part of the greater society for at least 100 years thereafter. In reality, it took longer than that. How long has it been that a Black man could aspire to a normal middle class existence without being an entertainer or athlete? 30 years? In some cases 40? It is a very complex issue and the problem did not occur because of some special property of Black people. It was societally created and can only be solved societally.
        But pretending that the end of official segregation in the 60s meant the end of inequality of opportunity is to fail to see reality. The Republicans who choose to ignore the plight of the Black underclass don’t need to wear sheets and hoods or even be overt racists like their fathers may have been. All they have to do is nothing and nothing will get better.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The Blacks are still not assimilated because they have let themselves become pawns of the Politicians. Other nationalities were discriminated against also, but they hunkered down and lifted themselves up instead of looking to the Government trough for their salvation.

          • KG

            The difference is that these “Other nationalities” were not captured, chained to a ship, endure weeks of unimaginable agony, bought and sold from a stage in New Orleans to live a life of servitude without any hope of living free. I would give a pass to the Irish. After all, whats worse than a Black Slave? Slaves are expensive, but the Irish are a dime a dozen.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “captured” by people of their own race, KGB. And those were the ancestors of today’s Blacks. When do the Blacks assume responsibility for their own actions instead of using their ancestors sufferings as their excuse?
            Nobody in my family has ever held slaves, so why would that in any remote way be my fault?
            And why do you Progressives keep bringing up slavery when in fact it is you who are working to enslave current populations of people? Your hypocrisy makes no sense.

  • Vigilant

    “You know what the definition of “racism” is nowadays? Anyone winning an argument with a liberal.”

    We must all be racists then. The progressives have never had a factual, logical argument against truth.

    • Elton Robb

      The “liberals” want an utopian society. A perfect society that has no crime, no disease, and no inequality. The truth is, Man is mortal and therefore natural and cannot overcome these problems by himself. The Liberals believe we can do it by ourselves, and we can achieve it. And they are fanatic about it — they are so fanatic that they have a Machievellian mentality: “the ends” the utopia — “justifies the means” — world-wide Communism.

      • Karolyn

        But it can be done if people would just wake up! Of course, it is too tall an order; but one can dream. And I’m not talking about communism. I’m talking about brotherly love.

      • Jeff

        So, why bother to do anything to make life better for yourself, your kids, or anybody else? Why have doctors? If this disease doesn’t kill you, another one will eventually. I find your reasoning idiotic. Paraphrasing JFK: The things we want to accomplish will not be finished during my Administration and perhaps not during our time on this planet. But let us begin.
        We seek to create a “more perfect union” even knowing perfection itself is unattainable.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The Union you seek, Jeff, is the Union created when you are attached by your hand to our wallets.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          You mean like a Union that seeks to control how the individual states vote?
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/eric-holder-begins-assult-on-texas/
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/holder-seeks-to-reassert-federal-power-over-state-voting/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Respect your country always. Respect your government, when they earn it.”
          Samuel Clemons

          • Jeff

            Yes, exactly. I guess you thought the Voting Rights Act was unnecessary. Not only do many of the Southern states have a history of disenfranchising minority voters, they’re still doing it. Do you think the Senate voted to reauthorize 98-0 as recently as 2006 based on violations from the 1950s and 60s? It’s still going on. Look at the Texas bill. There are emails where state legislators establish the reasons for the changes and they have nothing to do with preventing “voter fraud.” All Holder is doing is taking the case to a federal court. If Texas is so innocent, it has nothing to fear.

      • macgyver1948

        Elton Robb… So you say “The “liberals” want an utopian society. A perfect society that has no crime, no disease, and no inequality”. Yep “ The truth is, Man is mortal and therefore natural and cannot overcome these problems by himself”, you are pretty much right about that. BUT, what normal decent human wouldn’t want “no crime, no disease, and no inequality”? For you to claim the liberals want this only shows
        those liberals who do, and there are so many who do, are normal decent human beings. We know it is not going to be so easy but we continue to work toward those goals. For to not to work toward those goals seems to mean we give up and in that case we should just dig our graves early on and bury ourselves. Where do you stand, hopeful or not?

        One more thing Elton Robb. It is so nice of you to speak for others, as you do here for Liberals, when you haven’t the ability to do so. Or is it just that you are told to generalize with people who do not agree with you? I just love it when the mind readers come out of the wood work, just like Wayne Allen Root does for Liberals and of course Obama. You guys really know our intentions and beliefs, so you are told.

        • Vigilant

          “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of “liberalism” they will adopt EVERY fragment of the Socialist program, until
          one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” –

          Norman Thomas (Former Socialist Presidential Candidate)

          So much for the good intentions of liberals.

          • macgyver1948

            Vigilant…
            So, um, are you now taking cues from known Socialists as well as your
            Right leaders? Some Soviet leaders in Russia said that the US will be
            taking from within. Where are they now? Continue to be taken in by
            your side and you will believe it throughly about Liberals some day
            but even then you will be wrong about us. We are for equality equally
            for all and I am so much ion favor of the Constitution as the
            Founders intended and not how it has been weakened lately. How
            is that of a Liberal?

          • Vigilant

            Liberalism and socialism have been partners in crime for most of the last 100 years.

            “Some Soviet leaders in Russia said that the US will be
            taking [sic] from within. Where are they now?”

            They are sitting as activist judges at every level and as Supreme Court justices as we speak. They populate state legislatures, the Senate and House of Representatives. They function as czars and regulatory agency bureaucrats. One sits in the White House.

            If you have been blind to the gradualism of the leftist traitors just in the last 50 years, then you have learned nothing about history.

            Today’s liberals are not, nor have they ever been, for equality of opportunity, the true meaning of the Constitution. They prefer, by force of law, to impose equality of outcomes, a concept repugnant to the Founders.

            You are in no way in favor of the Constitution, if you believe that it’s a “living document” in the sense that the executive branch of government can subvert its provisions through executive order, activist judges can write new law and Congress is free to violate it with impunity.

            In short, you have NO IDEA what the Founders intended if you support progressive measures to turn us into a welfare state and negate the primary mission of government, i.e., to protect private property.

            You want to know what true, classical liberalism is, read the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist papers and the writings of Jefferson, Madison and Adams. Today’s liberals are a different animal, have turned classical liberalism on its head and now wear the skins of skunks and weasels as they fascistically engage in the duplication of the laundry list presented against King George in the Declaration.

          • macgyver1948

            Vigilant… I do not totally agree with “Liberalism
            and socialism have been partners in crime for most of the last 100 years” I suppose to some extent there is some but not nearly to the extent the Right would have us believe. Historically Nazism/Fascism was far Right and Commies were far Left.

            I have seen betrayals of Constitution Law often in the past and it is still going on. Little bush with his HLS and tapping into our phones, all kinds, and now on the Internet is a big example of those betrayals. I see over 270 GOP members in Congress signing conflict of
            interest pledges, almost MAFIA no way out pledges for them, and I know the Dems have not been perfect as well. We have problems with both sides of the aisle. We have so many elected officials who will do what is best for the big corporations at our expense in spite of
            the fact the the US Founding Fathers warned us against Corporate money and influence in government.

            I also do not agree with you that liberals, in general,
            are not for “equality of opportunity, the true meaning of the Constitution”. Almost all Liberals I know are for those things. I think you have been led to believe that by those who do not like the competition or just plane not like being disagreed with. I see so many in Tea, those at the top that is and not the average grass roots person, and now the many Tea owned GOP who will side with their agendas which, for the most part, are for the benefit and protection of the huge corporations.

            The Founders were for equal Liberty for all citizens and not jut the kind the Corporations want for themselves. You say to me “You are in no way in favor of the Constitution, if you believe that it’s a “living
            document” in the sense that the branches of government can subvert its provisions through executive order, activist judges can write new law and Congress is free to violate it with impunity”. Thanks for assuming what I believe.

            Actually, I know the US Constitution was put into place to protect “We The People” from Government and not the other ways around. I also believe it borders on treason, or it should, for any government official(s) to
            weaken it without our permission. I think your programming takes you over and you assume what those who will not agree with you are believing. If you really want to know what I believe ask me and DO
            NOT TELL ME. There seems to be so many on the Right in here who believe God gave them special mind reading skills. Why else would so many of you be so wrong about so many Liberals in our beliefs? Or is
            it your programming that does that?

            I have several copies of the Constitution and I have read it several times and that includes the Declination of Independence. I think it is the greatest human document written for humans (NOT GOVERNMENTS)
            next to my Bible. Thank you for suggestion I read it. I am even a fan of the 2nd Amendment but I also want the laws we already have to be heavily enforced. If the crazies or criminals or terrorists want to do their
            thing here I want them to forever regret it. But never will I believe, as the Gun lobbies (NRA specifically) have stated, we will be safer if more guns are on the street. I just want WE The People to all have equality and a fair shot at the American Dream but we will
            not if we have more “Plutocracy”, the Tea and Tea-owned GOP Dream.

            In short we citizens, which ever side of the aisle we support, need to fire the politicians at the polls if they do not do our bidding. We, people like you and me, need to put our differences aside until we can get the government back on track and then shout at each other again after it is working correctly. The politicians need to be more fearful of us, for their political careers, than they are of the damning pledges they might sign against us. I blame us for allowing
            to get this bad but we still have a chance to fix it. One way is for those of us who still care about Liberty and Freedom as The Founders meant it to be, like I think you and I know me, to stand together and get the government back to how it was meant to be but with today’s budgetary needs in place, not shrink it to a size that would fit in a “bath Tub” or down to what it was at the beginning of the 20th Century, as Norquist and his camp (the Koch Brothers and others)
            demands for the big Corporations. How realistic would it be to maintain this country if they get their ways?

            Just some suggestions. I guess I don’t know a thing if I listen to you though.

          • Vigilant

            “Historically Nazism/Fascism was far Right and
            Commies were far Left.”

            This is one of the largest hoaxes ever perpetrated.
            Fascism and communism are more than blood brothers. Both are leftist and statist. Even using the left/right paradigm, the farther left you go on the scale, the more statist becomes the government. The farther right one goes on the scale, the less statist becomes the government, to the point of anarchy. By no sane means can anyone call fascism a little/no government philosophy. Recall that the Nazis were national socialists in name. There’s a reason for that.

            As for betrayals of Constitutional law, both sides
            are indeed guilty. However, it has always been the liberals who have viewed the Constitution as a “guideline” only, a document that can be changed almost at will rather than applying Article V as the Founders intended.

            Who can deny that the activist justices on the
            SCOTUS are biased this way? Ruth Bader
            Ginsburg is the clearest example of leftist disdain for the Constitution as the
            law of the land. Her respect for the
            document is so minimal that she advised the Egyptians not to look to it when
            drafting their own constitution.
            Moreover, she has allowed her decisions to be affected by international
            agreements, etc., which goes traitorously beyond her oath to decide cases
            within constitutional parameters ONLY.

            Several times you referred to corporate cronyism,
            and implied more than once that there is some tidy relationship between
            Conservatives and the corporations. This
            is one of the most nefarious of myths I know of. I often wondered why Geo. Bush was identified
            with Conservatism when he was completely the opposite. Bush’s “neoconservatism” is in no way a
            partner with Conservatism, which disdains corporate cronyism with all its
            heart. The left, however, has seen fit
            to identify the two opposite philosophies because it make true conservatism
            look bad, and true Conservatism is anathema to the liberals.

            You say, “I also do not agree with you that
            liberals, in general,

            are not for “equality of opportunity, the true meaning of the Constitution.”

            Perhaps liberals have a different moral squint on the
            definition of “equal opportunity.” It
            does not mean attempting to force equal outcomes through affirmative action or
            wealth redistribution, both concepts being clearly repugnant to the Founders.

            “We, people like you and me, need to put our
            differences aside until we can get the government back on track…”

            One puts the government back on track by restoring
            the role of the Constitution as the law of the land. THAT, to be honest, I have never heard from
            the lips or keystrokes of a liberal.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Equality doesn’t involve Force of Government. If Government Force is involved, it becomes special privilege.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article about Pelosi and how she is twisting the meaning of swearing to defend the Constitution.
            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-congress-must-uphold-oath-protect-and-defend-constitution-passing-gun-control
            Actually, I think she knows nothing about the Constitution. Here is an article that shows a racist coward leading from behind.
            http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/leading-behind-al-sharpton
            What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Hold fast to the Bible. To the influence of this Book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization and to this we must look as our guide in the future.”
            Ulysses S. Grant
            Civil War General
            18th President of the U.S.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Macgyver says “You guys really know our intentions and beliefs, so you are told”.
          Actions speak louder than words, Macgyver.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is an article showing that Janet Napolitano is telling all the dirty laundry from when she was in office.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/big-sis-shockingly-dirty-secrets-go-public/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Better to illuminate than to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.”
      Thomas Aquinas

  • Isabella

    GOD BLESS YOU and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!People like you give me HOPE, HOPE, that, we can still save our country against those who , for political gain, financial gain, are ready to sold her out. They won’t prevail.

  • Karolyn

    The difference here is that he had a big knife. Martin had no weapon.
    I feel really sorry for George Zimmerman. I think he made a big mistake that he will pay for the rest of his life. I also do not believe he is racist.
    Another story I saw last night that has received no media coverage involves a 72 year old white man who shot and killed his neighbor black kid because he “thought” he had robbed him. It’s all on video. The kid was taking in the garbage can; and he was shot point blank in the chest. The old guy got life and showed no remorse. Now I consider that to be racially motivated, as well as cold and callous..

    • Jeff

      I don’t believe Zimmerman is a racist in the old-fashioned, George Wallace sense. I would not expect him to be burning crosses on lawns or joining the idiotic racist comments one regularly finds on these blogs. But his fear of all Black men walking in “his” neighborhood – even if he’s not a bigot, that, by definition, is a racist act. Had Trayvon been White doing the same thing, Zimmerman would have paid no attention to him. No 911 call, no creepy following, no fight.
      I read about the other case you mentioned with the old man shooting his 13 year old neighbor. Even after he was sentenced, he was still blaming the kid (or his parents) by saying he hadn’t been taught right. This despite the fact the guns the old bigot thought the kid had stolen from him were not in the kid’s house. When you’re raised a bigot, it takes a lot to change.

      • CommonSense4America

        I guess you didn’t follow the Zimmerman case very closly. Being black was not the major factor of his interest. Acting suspious was what caught his attention. Ambling along, walking close to the eves of houses, looking around and just not behaving in the way a normal person would that is out in the rain walking home. He did not volunteer the information that Martin was black until the 911 operator ask.

        • Jeff

          Apparently you believe everything Zimmerman says despite the fact he was caught in several lies. Didn’t all of his previous 911 calls describing “suspicious” behavior all involve Black men as well? If Trayvon had been White, his actions would have been viewed entirely differently by Zimmerman.

          • CommonSense4America

            It is my understanding that not ALL of the 911 transcripts were reported. The reports were filtered to include ONLY those that mentioned blacks. This was to see if Zimmerman expressed any bias towards blacks. According to the media that I heard, there were other 911 calls that were not reported.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Didn’t all of his previous 911 calls describing “suspicious” behavior all involve Black men as well?”.
            Who knows? But since you make such a conjectural claim, Jeff, do you have any evidence to back it up?

      • MaranathaMark

        Spoken like a true libertard, trying to interject racism, when the only racism evident was on the part of Trayvon, per the testimony of his girlfriend – Jeantel. It was a mixed race community, and George has a long resume about defending and helping blacks, so you can stick the whole racist angle, where the sun don’t shine!
        The old man that murdered the young black teenager, recently has absolutely NO relevance in this conversation and NO remote comparison to the Zimmerman/Trayvon case. Any one trying to make the association is either loopy or purposely trying to promote an racial agenda!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Jeff says — “Had Trayvon been White doing the same thing, Zimmerman would have paid no attention to him”.
        Racist and conjectural.

      • macgyver1948

        Jeff…. There are still some racist, if not Zimmerman to that extent, who hated the idea that a black person could even be running for high office. That has been evident since Obama was challenging Hillary for the nomination and thy are very much still here fighting with their hate. But I agree that Zimmerman may not be of the George Wallace type. Those anti-people bigots are up there making up hate campaigns against Obama to this day (and there are political reasons as well because he wont sigh conflict of interest pledges, for example) and many of their followers are just eating it all up.

        I remember a line from one of the Lincoln movies of the last couple of years that still rings through for many today. In an
        attempt to fight against emancipation the character said,
        my paraphrasing because I can’t remember it exactly, “We cannot give equality to those who God has not”. And then there are those who are just in denial today.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The Emancipation Proclamation was a war measure implemented to keep the English from siding with the Southerners.
          Read it. There were four slave states fighting for the North, and the Proclamation said nothing about freeing their slaves, only those of the enemy Southern states:
          http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/.

          Lincoln spent most of his life advocating for relocating Blacks to other countries:
          http://recovering-republican.com/was-lincoln-a-racist
          “I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race”.

          Why make a hero of such an obviously flawed man? Simple — He destroyed the concept of “Government by the People” by Forcing Southerners into his Union, whether they liked it or not, at the expense of about 650,000 lives. Leaders want you to worship such dictators, as it helps them keep their Power.

          • macgyver1948

            LOL, I was talking about emancipation in general, not the Proclamation.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you and Jeff really that clueless to the manipulations of Leaders, or are you just doing your Progressive zealot thing?

          • macgyver1948

            Well TheOriginalDaveH, since I do not agree with you I must be clueless. Isn’t that Right? LOL

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            LOL. Yes you are, macgyvy (eyes rolling).
            Hey look, I can comment like a Liberal Progressive.

          • Jeff

            It doesn’t matter that for most of his life Lincoln was a racist by modern definitions. By the end of his life, his views had changed. Blacks had fought for the Union and may have been the decisive factor in the victory. Lincoln had the capacity to recognize when he had been wrong and change his views. I’m not talking about the Emancipation as that was largely a tactic used to win the war. But passage of the 13th Amendment was not.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Lincoln had the capacity, like most politicians, to put his finger in the air and see which way the wind was blowing.

          • Jeff

            Whatever, Dave. I’ve read enough history that I don’t need to take what you say too seriously. Believe what you want to believe.

        • skrewdisqus

          there are also racists, like 97% of the black population, and about 35% of the white population (and 100% of the STUPID white population) who voted nothing but skin color in both elections. They certainly didn’t vote for barry soetoro/barry sobarkeh (per his mother’s passport information) based upon his past performance anyplace.

          • macgyver1948

            skrewdisqus… Please speak for your self. Many of us voted for the person we know as Obama and some had to vote against the Right, as we see it, for being owned by conflict of interest pledges and the Plutocracy. Some my have voted for the color but that will be in any election.

            You cannot claim voters are stupid because they do not vote our way. And there are racists in every race, we know that.

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,, Tell us who Your Bible says are God’s Chosen People????????????/

      • skrewdisqus

        Jeff, seriously, you’re not very bright, are you? Blacks, and mostly young black males, account for 50% of the crime out there even though only 13% of the population overall, with black males being only 6%. Police profile for a reason.
        http://www.colorofcrime.com

        • Jeff

          They do, but it is improper. You need more than skin color to base a profile. What do you think is meant by the term “testilying”? It’s when cops see a car with Black guys in it and they suspect they may have drugs. They have no probable cause to stop them, so they make up a story that the car swerved. They make the stop and find a joint. The lying is not about the drugs (usually) but about the pretext for the stop. If they could stop the car just due to suspicion because a lot of Black people take drugs, there’d be no need for the pretext.

    • skrewdisqus

      And GZ would have known that exactly HOW when Stymie started assaulting him?
      And you are wrong, BTW. Stymie had several lethal weapons at his disposal, several of which he was using on GZ at the time;
      1.) Hands
      2.) Feet
      3.) Concrete sidewalk
      4.) GZ’s weapon, which he tried to gain possession of after threatening to kill GZ.

      This likely would have been dispatched as a “(fight) in progress, unknown weapons”, prior to the gunshot. And like the person dispatching that, GZ also wouldn’t have known if Stymie was armed. When you’re in his position, you don’t wait until somebody actually pulls their weapon and uses it on you before you resort to lethal force. People who do that are called “dead”.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      GZ made NONE mistake. He did act in the self-defense. When the self-defense became “a big mistake”???
      P.S. If GZ would not act in self-defense he would be dead today.

      Another story I saw last night that has received no media coverage involves a 72 year old white man who shot and killed his neighbor black kid because he “thought” he had robbed him. It’s all on video.

      Another story you did NOT see this spring-summer (march-July) that has received NONE media coverage involves two BLACK THUGS (17 and 14) who MURDERED the WHITE-Hispanic 13 months
      Baby Antonio Santiago in March, 2013 in the front of his mother.

      Sherry West (Baby’s mother) begged them not to kill her baby but they MURDERED her BABY in the front of her http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297392/Sherry-West-tells-robbers-shot-sleeping-baby-Antonio-dead-Brunswick.html

      Where are scumbags’ (O’homo, holder, sharpton, jackson and other RACISTS) outrage and cry for the JUSTICE?

  • TIME

    My Dear people,

    Look into the “Roderick Scott” case so you can get a clear view of who the real Raciest are,
    Starting the Mass media, and that special Twisted pervert Barack O’Bama and his little head E Holder.
    Along with all the special supporters called “Jock Strapets”, also know as the Progressives wing nuts who post their mindless mass media rhetoric here day after day as if lies are some how truth when spoken by the MSNBC or any of the other bent criminals who pose are mass media stars.

    Peace and Love,

    To you that understand this whole twisted mess: May The Holy Sprit bless you with Grace so that The Christ can bless your soul to enter GOD’S home.

  • MaranathaMark

    In response to Donna Bell above: Actually, Donna B., fist or bare-handed melee account for several times more deaths each year than so-called assault weapons do. Had Mr. Thugvon, gone straight home or even if he had just stopped at assault when he broke Zimmerman’s nose when he threw the first punch, Thugvon Martin would likely be alive today. I say ‘likely’ because his drug use had already damaged his liver, and his love of violence is a combination that very easily could have ended up getting him in another situation, where he was killed or injured for life!

  • http://joey.mimweddings.com/Blog joeydg

    Race is almost never the issue – it’s a catalyst. This is a blatant attempt to polarize them and make them passionate for the same thing – more gun control. The claim will be that people are using their 2nd amendment rights to serve illegal and vigilantly purposes. The solution will be tracking guns and further regulating and restricting gun purchases. In order to keep that harmful agenda off the plate, we need to not promote, encourage or even tolerate race baiting. They need to be revealed for the manipulator a that they are – especially the president.

  • Marshall Watson

    God bless you Wayne Allyn Root and God bless George Zimmerman, in my book you are both heroes.

    • macgyver1948

      Oui gavalt, LOL

  • macgyver1948

    I am remember this case from when it first happened as different from what is being presented . It doesn’t seem similar at all to the story Wayne Allen Root is telling of his knife wielding assailant of so long ago. What I remember of it was the kid with a hoody walking through the neighborhood not bothering anyone and the neighborhood watch guy following him and starting the connection. I remember it was the neighborhood watch guy making initial contact with the kid with the hoody, not the other way around. My how the story changes when you want to make it into a race case for others now.

    Wayne Allen Root. I was almost a product of Dewitt Clinton High School in the Bronx so I know of the atmosphere of which you speak in your school. The jr high I went to was a training ground.

    • vicki

      Interesting. Were you the shadow in the bushes? Why didn’t you bring all this to the attention of the DA?

      And lets play what if. What if your story is actually true. Where is there any moral or legal reason for Martin to attack Zimmerman?

      • macgyver1948

        Vickie… I am only going by what I remember. There was no moral reason for anyone to attack anyone, there never is. I still do not think we know all the facts, who touched who first and the jury went only by what they were given. If Zimmerman touched the boy first then the boy is entitled to defend himself against a stranger’s advances.

        Since we are in a Wayne Allen Root article page I remember an episode I encountered growing up in The Bronx NY. I think I was around 12 and a stranger approached me after dark one night and claimed he was with the police. After he grabbed my arm I shrugged away and ran. When are we supposed to give up and listen, after he rapes or kills us or when he shows his lawful ID? How do we know?

        By the way, a day after my encounter with that “police” stranger, on the news there was a description of a man that fit my friendly stranger who was wanted for molesting young boys. When and how do we really know?

        Only the shadow knows.

        • Charlie

          Mac1948,,, still way off course,,, the term “””boy”” does not describe a young “”Man”” that’s able to take down a 200 lbs Man and beat the Man’s head on the concrete… The “”N”” kid was looking for trouble and found some “Fire Power”” he did not expect…

          • macgyver1948

            WOW, no racist in you… I meant boy only because of his age and had nothing to do with race. Thanks for ASSuming. Was David, before he was king, lighter or heavier that Goliath? With proper leverage, and perhaps the fear the “boy” had for his stalker, he might have been able to take Z down.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article for you Mac. It shows what Americans think of “Stand your Ground” laws.
            http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/07/22/majority-support-stand-your-ground-laws-n1646279
            Here are some articles dealing with Trayvon.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/how-obama-truly-was-like-trayvon-martin/
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/the-zimmerman-speech-obama-should-have-given/
            Here is an article from the WSJ about charges against the prosecutors in the Zimmerman trial.
            http://www.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130702-905033.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
            I guess that now they are on the defensive. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “It has been my pleasure on each returning Sabbath, to hold up before my enlightened audience the cross of Jesus, all stained with the blood of Him that hung upon it, as the only hope of the perishing.”
            Septimus Tuston
            Chaplain, University of Virginia

          • macgyver1948

            samuari…
            Does this article and you say “”all” Americans feel this
            way” or does it really mean a majority of those asked? We know the
            case turned out to not be a Stand Your Ground issue but I want more
            study of the law so it does not give people who are border line
            murderers a legal stand for murdering when they want. Just more
            study.

            samuari. I hope by now you know I will defend your
            religious beliefs and rights even though I in no way agree with them
            – or you. Its that mortal sin thing for Jews and I for one will not
            commit mortal sin for you or your bible. That is real religious
            liberty, my standing up for your beliefs, and not you with just your
            ways for all but respecting all others. The question is why won’t you
            allow me my beliefs without trying to prove my bible and religion
            wrong just because my bible and yours contradicts each other in so
            many ways? It is the nature and reason for Freedom Of Religion in you
            know where and it is the God given gift of free will. You are right
            for you but not necessarily for anyone else.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I just said it shows what Americans feel about them, both good and bad. It does not say that 100% of Americans like them, but a majority do favor them. Here is something showing the ignorance and arrogance of the current pretender in the White House.
            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-ive-got-a-little-over-1200-days-left-in-office_740820.html
            Here is another article that we can stand together and fight the violating of a persons God-given rights under the 1st Amendment.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/u-s-city-looks-to-penalize-bible-believers/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The Ten Commandments are not rules to obey as a personal favor to God. They are fundamental principles without which mankind cannot live together. The Ten Commandments are not laws. They are THE LAW. Man has made 32,000,000 laws since they were handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai more than three thousand years ago, but he has never improved on God’s law.”
            Cecil B. Demille

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,, you can’t believe in David of The Old Bible because in The New Testament , King Jesus Christ is called the Son of David… Better get your “Edomite” jew brain “Thinking” square … It’s called “Harmonizing” Scriptures … Ask YO YO he’s good at back and forth answers ,, but,, he has a big problem,,, he’s a heathen…..

          • Bob666

            Yo Nutcase,

            “Better get your “Edomite” jew brain “Thinking” square”

            Wow Charlie, maybe you read, but did not comprehend the Bible. Go back and read it again-you are very ignorant.

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You say to me “Mac1948,,, you can’t believe in David of The Old Bible because in The New Testament , King Jesus Christ is called the Son of David… Better get your “Edomite” jew brain “Thinking” square …

            LOL. Your delusional personality is showing again with
            you thinking you have the ability to tell people what they can or cannot believe. Actually King David is a man from my Bible and I believe he was a Hebrew King. Now, on the other hand, Jesus was NEVER a Hebrew king but I can accept the possibility of the existence of the man Jesus who was a rabbi.

            By the way you logic is convoluted as well. How do you connect what I believe of David and Jesus?

            Try this for easy reading. It is titled ‘Judaism 101′. It will explain to you in simple terms why Jews CANNOT believe in Jesus. It includes real references:

            *Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20

            Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39

            Ezekiel 38:16

            Hosea 3:4-3:5

            Micah 4

            Zephaniah 3:9

            Zechariah 14:9

            Daniel
            10:14

            http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

            If you cannot accept this for Jews why should anybody believe in anything you say? What right do you have to deny us our beliefs? You do not have more rights to your beliefs than anyone else has for theirs. I do not deny you your right to your beliefs so there is more proof people like you have a problem with “Freedom Of Religion” for others. The US Constitution must be a burden for you. I love the document myself.

            Charlie, keep trying or give up but your delusions are growing by the key stroke.

            One more thing. You do not know Bob666 so you cannot know if he is a heathen or not. You do not know what the “666” attached to his name refers to but your dirty evil little mind goes so fast and easy to the dark and evil side. You would be very surprised what his “666” really refers to.

          • Charlie

            Mac 1948,,, where in The Bible is the word Jew first used??? Also check out the lineage of Judah and you will find David and Jesus in that lineage …. ALL bloodline Jews come from the Tribe of Judah…. Judah was the 4th son of Leah , Leah was the first Wife of Jacob Israel….
            More questions later as you create them with your Bible ignorance…. haha ha ha ,,,, MacJew1948……………………

        • Ron

          sounds like a phony macgyver episode from long ago….i’d be willing to bet that if you were neighborhood watch and the guy grabbed you, you would not have questioned having to pull your gun to defend yourself…your story here is made up of if’s and what if’s when we all heard the facts in the case, and that is exactly how the prosecution presented their lame case against GZ…it’s obvious you did not pay attention to the case and just want to be a wannabe sympathizer to a racist black community that wants racial justice when the case was not about race…if your story is true then you would understand the true meaning of self defense and understand that WE ALL have the right to defend ourselves…just because you don’t want to believe the facts presented does not give you the right to convict someone based on what ifs!!!

          • macgyver1948

            Ron… I did not say I do not believe the “facts”, I am not sure of all of them so I question them. We weren’t there so how can we say it wasn’t racist or Z just hates hoodies? You are missing my point, we really do not know all the facts. Who were all the witnesses and with
            the boy not being able to speak for his side how do we know?

            I know we have a right to defend ourselves but did Z do the “over Kill” thing? Who really stroke the first blow or made first physical contact? If I were approached by a stranger at night especially and he touched me I think I would defend myself to the best of my scared ability but only enough to defend myself and not
            pull out my gun and kill because the law says I can.

            Who are you to say I “do not want to believe the facts” as given in court? Are you a mind reader? I want justice in every case. Good luck with that.

          • Vigilant

            “We weren’t there so how can we say it wasn’t racist or Z just hates hoodies?” Refer to the FBI investigation.

          • macgyver1948

            I was asking, I was not saying. Please learn the difference.

          • Vigilant

            You were slyly implying, not asking. Learn the difference.

          • macgyver1948

            LOL… ok, well you are on the Right so you have to be right. Right?

          • Vigilant

            Right.

            You’re not unteachable after all. Congratulations.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            WHAT jewish nonsence. You are ready to work for chuck
            shumaher or dianna from s.f.

          • macgyver1948

            Alandra… You say “WHAT jewish nonsence. You are ready to work for chuck shumaher or dianna from s.f”. What of what I write in this regard is nonsense?

            I challenge you to define “Jewish nonsense”. Do you even know what you are taking about? The Hebrew Bible, you know- what you guys renamed the Old Testament for your own purposes and changed the
            meanings of Hebrew Scripture to justify what is in your bible in places and ignore many other Hebrew scripture, and your New Testament have so many contradictions between them. Are you capable of
            understanding what is in the Hebrew Bible, I mean for real?

            We Jews do not see your Bible as a continuation of ours. I feel all Bibles should be able to stand on its own merits and if you have to change Hebrew Scriptures and meanings to justify something in yours what good is it? IF you have to ignore certain biblical facts in our
            Bible to justify your scriptures what good is yours if so much of yours is based on ours?

            To each his/her own faith so maybe we should stay away from this if you can’t take the challenge. I will start you off with question. Do you know it is a mortal sin for Jews to accept, worship and pray to Jesus? It is in the Hebrew bible stories and strongly hinted at in the first 2 of The 10 Commandants. Also did you know that the 10 Commandants is from and part of Torah, something God wants to be the Law for all times and never has been replaced, not yet anyway?

            Why do you think Christians, or whomever in history, felt the need to get rid of God’s Laws, Torah? For Jews to get rid of Torah it would be like saying no to God. We wont do that for you. IF you understood The Hebrew Bible you would know the answers and you would see the contradictions pretty clearly. This is just to start you off if you have the guts to accept the challenge so again “WHAT jewish nonsence”? :-)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Just keep talking.

          • macgyver1948

            Alandra… . :-)… You said “WHAT jewish nonsence”. You did not say “What macgyver1948 nonsense”. That would have been a personal attack on me but I can take those nicely. Instead you went after my
            religion. So, what does that say about you? It tells me you have no regard of Freedom Of Religion. What other parts of the Constitution do you not like if they do not work for you in a given situation? We
            know you do not like people who will not agree with you politically, it is your nature your programming, but to disagree with people’s religious beliefs as well says whatever it is that you do not agree with has to be wrong. WOW, that says you are an all American
            hypocrite. I can see from your Right side Liberty views, of any kind, Liberty is fine as long as it agrees with how you believe but that is typical of so many on your side. LOL. You are a fraud and worse.
            “.

            Not accepting the challenge, are you? Is it because you are not sure of yourself, your real knowledge? :-). As you said “Just keep talking”, it works both ways.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            I see that you and Pig-Sty have become friends????
            She is the queen of the pig-pen.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…
            If you mean Alandra it is a real trip with her too. But when she put
            down my religion I had to say what I said. If that is how she feels I
            should thank her for that. LOL

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            I will take anyone on when it comes to politics. But, I do not take shots a anyone’s personal beliefs. That is just plain wrong and I believe that you were far to kind. I would have her roasting over a spit with an Apple in her mouth by now.

            Keep the faith!

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666… When people get like that they show their real colors and those aren’t red white and blue. Maybe their shirts are brown… I do not need to get like them… But I agree with you about not putting down personal beliefs.

          • Charlie

            YO YO,,, it’s up to somebody to accomplish Ezekiel 3:18 … Because your personal beliefs are a bunch of lies…………… Define the word “”Faith”””???

          • Bob666

            Hi Wacko Charlie,

            “Because your personal beliefs are a bunch of lies…………… Define the word “”Faith”

            Wow Nutcase, you don’t even know what my faith is-yer you say it is based on lies.

            Define the term “False Witness”

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, check 9th commandment,,, Faith means ,,action upon belief…………..

          • Bob666

            Yo Nutso,
            Take the med’s and you will fell better in the morning.
            PS: I don’t come here for the bible study.

          • Charlie

            YO YO,,, what kind of Jew are you??? We figured out Mac is a “”Edomite jew” ,,, so tell us IF? yo is just plain heathen ???

          • Bob666

            Hello Charlie,
            Not Jewish, and unlike you, in full control of my faculties.

          • Charlie

            YO YO,,, ha ha ha ha haha………….you have to have some faculties , to be in control of them………. Ha ha ha…
            yo yo and away we go……………………………….

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,, Does your Bible start with Genesis?…………

          • Vigilant

            Right!

            Congratulations, you’re not unteachable after all.

          • vicki

            We know the difference. your comments from the beginning have all been what if’s.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This is because he has no real knowledge of the subject at hand. Here is article showing what people think about Hitlery.
            http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/hillary-clinton-is-too-old-to-be-president-94666.html?hp=r4
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He (GOD) has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effected by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            Letter to James Fishback
            September 27, 1809
            Orthodox Christian
            *Not a deist.

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor historical revisionist,

            “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

            -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

            Thomas Jefferson
            Notes on Virginia, 1782
            September 27, 1809
            Not an Orthodox Christian

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            It seems you are the revisionist. He was talking about these things happening to those of the Christian faith, not to others by Christians. Neeeeed to study more and be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. BTW, why all the anger and hate Bob? Could it be that by telling the truth the Samurai hit several nerves? You position has been overrun, so go home and stay there.

          • Bob666

            Well little Babble Boy,
            “It seems you are the revisionist. He was talking about these things happening to those of the Christian faith, not to others by Christians”

            Just what is it that I am Trying to revise????

            Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

            To Peter Carr Paris, Aug. 10, 1787

            Thomas Jefferson
            Third President of the United States
            Not anywhere close to an Orthodox Christian

          • macgyver1948

            Vigilant… Ok, but we all know the FBI NEVER makes mistakes, don’t we?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The DOJ wanted to bring federal charges against Zimmerman, but the FBI blocked any attempt at doing so. Looks like they got this one right. Speaking of the DOJ, here is an article showing how Obama bin Laden and the DOJ are forcing Islam onto a county in Virginia. For some reason, I thought there was no government controled/regulated religion.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/obama-justice-department-forcing-islamic-supremacist-mosque-on-virginia-county/
            Couldn’t this we both could stand together on and resist this action by the current administration? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “I would advise no one to send his child where the Holy Scriptures are not supreme. Every institution that does not unceasingly pursue the study of God’s Word becomes corrupt. I greatly fear that the schools, unless they teach the Holy Scriptures diligently and impress them on the young students, are wide gates to hell.”
            Martin Luther

          • macgyver1948

            samuari…You say “Speaking of the DOJ, here is an article showing how Obama bin Laden and the DOJ are forcing Islam onto a county in Virginia. For some reason, I thought there was no government controled/regulated religion”.

            If they are forcing religion on anyone, or any specific religious beliefs or traditions, in any way then I very much would agree with you but it doesn’t look like they are from this article you suggest. For example,if some government agency/person insisted we all had to observe Sunday as the required Sabbath I would fight that all the way. If all they are doing is helping a religion establish itself in an area that is justice the American way. NYC went through this with a new Mosque very near ground zero a few years ago.

            I know from European history when at times Jews tried to establish themselves in an area where there was a “MORE TRADITIONAL” religion for that area, if you know what I mean, there were problems of the bigotry and ignorance kind and no Freedom Of Religion to protect them. We should thank God and the Constitution we have those freedoms here or no religion would be safe.

            We also had racial problems in this country, not allowing certain colors to establish themselves in parts of this country. Any form of people segregation I will not agree with.

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,, Your basic mental hang up is You don’t know as much as You “”Think”” You know,,, because,,, You cannot ”’harmonize”” YOUR truth?? with other known “Historical” proven “”Truth”””,,, for example,,, You don’t believe or understand what King Jesus Christ said at Matthew 15:24 …. So who has “”The Truth”” You or King Jesus Christ???… You claim to be a “”Jew””,,, define what “”Kind”” of “Jew” you are among the 4 kind as defined in The Holy Bible ,,,KJV or NASB………………

          • macgyver1948

            Oh Charlie… Is that my problem as you put it “”Think””
            You know,,, because,,, You cannot ”’harmonize”” YOUR truth?? with other known “Historical” proven “”Truth”? First of all how is what is in your bible “PROVEN”? You choose to believe it is and that is your right, nothing more. Is that my “basic mental hang up” or are your really concerned about yours?

            Then you say to me “You don’t believe or understand what King Jesus Christ said at Matthew 15:24 …. So who has “”The Truth”” You or King Jesus Christ???” What you do no understand is we Jews do not believe in demi-gods so how can we Jews believe in Jesus as defined by matriculate conception, something else
            we Jews do not believe in. Do the ancient Greeks have the same value and right with their immaculately conceived demi-gods, such as Hercules, as you have with your Jesus? I am not putting you down for your chosen beliefs, they are your right, so why do you put other religion’s beliefs down as being wrong when you CANNOT prove a thing? We Jews cannot prove anything either but we do not have the need to
            prove anything for others as you seem to. Why do you have that need? Is there something insecure in your emotional make up?

            Then you ask me what “”Kind”” of “Jew” you are among the 4 kind as defined in The Holy Bible ,,,KJV or NASB……………… “. What value would you put on my answer, any answer based on a bible that is not my
            bible to believe? We went through this before and you do not seem capable of understanding simple English. Or is it that you do not want to for some immature emotional reason? Here it is again in simple English. “YOUR BIBLE IS NO MORE MY BIBLE THAN THE KORAN IS YOUR BIBLE”. Do you believe in the Koran and why not if you do not? Do you have the right to NOT believe in the Koran” If you do, have the right not to, then why, in your simple mind, do I not have the
            right to NOT believe in any Christian Bible, Catholic or Protestant?

            I was raised Ultra Conservative Jewish, the only kind of Conservative I care to be. If that doesn’t fit your what “”Kind”” of “Jew” you are among the 4 kind as defined in The Holy Bible ,,,KJV or NASB……………… “ then why should I care? By the way, Conservative Jews didn’t come about until around 200 or so years ago for economic reasons. We were all Orthodox before
            then, as Jesus was, of one kind or another as we were scattered around the world. Jesus was a Rabbi. Do you even know what that means since it was so very important to him? What, for example but not limited to, does the word Rabbi mean? Here is a hint. It has to do
            with something he felt was so important for all times he devoted his life to it even as he was hanging on the cross until God Himself says otherwise. And, God hasn’t yet.

            Charlie, what “Historical” proven “”Truth””s are you using to prove a thing of your beliefs, your bible, as you say?

            Notice, if you are capable, I am telling you how I believe. I would never tell any others how they should believe, as you and your twin samurai seem to do. To each his own faith or stop your huge hypocrisy when it comes to Liberty and Freedom.

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,, I know you need help , but , don’t drag Samurai into this , unless he wants to come with related “”Science”” or “”Scriptures”” ,,, because your writes are almost void of “Scientific” evidence and / or old Bible evidence … Science will prove Science just as The Bible will prove itself IF? you stay in The oldest Bibles of The Almighty God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob Israel …
            Now tell us who has ever proven 2+2=5???? they can’t because ALL Scientific “”Laws””are rock solid in “Their”” Science… The Original Bible is just as true today as the first day it was written… ALL earth born men of “Science” DID NOT create any Science ,,, they ONLY Discovered what “GOD” had created thousands of years ago… Mere Man can NOT even tell you what “”Time”” is ,,, they can tell you how to measure “Time” ,,,as most any 5th grader can… BUT??? what is “”Time”” itself??? Peter told you a lot of info about time at 2 Peter 3:8 but do you believe Peter? Then , why don’t you believe Peter’s best Friend???
            I have discovered according to your writes , that you are a “Edomite” jew IF any kind of “Jew” at all?….
            You did Not answer ,,,”is Genesis the first book in Your Bible???

          • Bob666

            Charlie,
            It’s medication time, everything will be all right, just take the pills the nice nurse gives you-those voices will go away.

          • Charlie

            YO YO,,, No meds,,, just need my yo yo ,ha ha ha yo yo ho ho and away we go……………………….

          • Bob666

            Yo Nutcase,
            Good for you, now eat your pudding and listen to the nice people at the home.

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Wow. You say here “Peter told you a lot of info about time at 2 Peter 3:8 but do you believe
            Peter? Then , why don’t you believe Peter’s best Friend????

            So, when did Peter tell me this? And what bible is Peter in? I told you Charlie, I do not know how many times, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLES OR YOUR JESUS so what are you talking about? Do you believe in what the Koran says to you? If not, why not??? What is this? How do you know when to take a breath? Are you really this simple-minded?

            I think you asked a while ago but not recently. You are asking again “You did Not answer ,,,”is Genesis the first book in Your Bible???” … Charlie, I have answered this before so I am wondering if you read, or even remember or are capable of comprehending, what I wrote. YES, it is the first book of the Hebrew
            bible, the first book of Torah, which I go by and believe in. Why are you asking again when it was answered before?

            Years ago I read 2 Christian Bibles cover to cover, the Catholic Bible and the KJV, as well as pieces of others. They all seem like the same set of books to me, the same stories but with some books Protestants
            didn’t like from the Catholic Bible left out. Why are you talking to me again as though I am supposed to believe in your bibles as though they are for Jews (WHICH THEY VERY MUCH AIN’T. There seems to be a great need for this to be repeated often for simple and very closed-minded people such as you), per your 2 Peter 3:8 question and comment? Try this web page, it is simple enough even for you. 2 Peter 3:8 http://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-8.htm
            .

            LOL, by the way, man developed time so he would know when to be some place on time. LOL. WOW, you are a trip. And Science is the study of what is in nature and our current understanding of it. You are a trip. Oh
            wait, I said that already, LOL.

            LMAO. Really? You say “Now tell us who has ever proven 2+2=5????”. Was it Charles Manson when he
            convinced his little crew to go out and commit mass murder? The more you write the more of an idiot you prove you are. Please tell me, what Bizarro world do you really come from? LOL.

            Duh, what is air or water or dirt? LMAO… Wow, I needed a laugh but the more of you I read the more sorry for you I get.

            So, you have discovered from my “writes’ I am a “Edomite” jew IF any kind of “Jew” at all?….” Coming form you with no crediblity at all what is this suppose to mean to me? LOL

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,, the reason I ask questions is because you very rarely give a straight forward correct answer,,, most of your answers are believe what you want to type with little or no Scientific or Biblical backing ,,, you have trapped your self with the Genesis answer ,,, because Jesus Christ is pointed out a number of times in Genesis… But the words Jesus Christ and Jews are NOT used in Genesis…………….. Talk about credibility ,,,IF,,, one cannot harmonize Scriptures and / or Scientific Laws with each other ,,, Then ? where is your credibility ??? it certainly is NOT in My words or your words IF??? those words do not harmonize with other Scriptures and / or Scientific Laws………………………….
            That is why you don’t even know what 4 types or kinds of “Jews” are pointed at in The Bible… Everybody and his brother call themselves Jews or Christian these days ,,, BUT,,, few can prove anything with The Bible or Scientific Laws…. You are about as phoney as the jews pointed out at Revelation 2:9, 3:9,,, which was spoken by King Jesus Christ……
            Let us give you a clue,,, The Old Testament harmonizes with The New very well……………
            NOW??? you have yet to define “””Time”””,,, NO one has!!!……

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…WOW. You do not like my answers so this is the silliness you come up with? First of all there is no mention of Jesus, hinting or otherwise, in the Hebrew Bible. He just isn’t there. My belief in the Hebrew Bible is from study, from all the years I went to Hebrew school when I was a kid, and further study on my own. Again, The Hebrew Messiah has not shown up yet and he is not your Jesus in any way. IF you really read the Hebrew Bible you will see from the
            Prophets who talk about him your Jesus cannot in any way be a Hebrew Messiah. It is not just my belief, it is what is in there.

            My “Genesis answer” was right on but you do not like it so you can’t accept it. I gave you Hebrew biblical references but I wonder if you even read them? Is it because they prove me right and your tiny little mind cannot take that? Again, JESUS IN NO WHERE IN THE HEBREW BIBLE AT ALL, NOT ANYWHERE. Go make up your junk and spread it among those who are not of their own minds.

            I told you often enough it is a mortal sin for Jews to accept Jesus ort anything that is not the single entity that is God. And Jesus is no more God than you or I are. Tell me this. What does your religion say
            about any of you who knowingly tries to get others to commit mortal sin, as you do? I mean now that you have know for a while that it is a mortal sin for Jews to accept or pray to Jesus.

            More on what an idiot you are. You say to me “That is why you don’t even know what 4 types or kinds of “Jews” are pointed at in The Bible…” From what Bible is that from? Isn’t it from a bible I have told you numerous times that it is not my bible? Are you really
            this stupid? If I do not accept or believe your Bible why would I have to know that?

            The you say “Everybody and his brother call themselves Jews or Christian these days ,,, BUT,,, few can prove anything with The Bible or Scientific Laws…. You are about as phoney as the jews pointed
            out at Revelation 2:9, 3:9,,, which was spoken by King Jesus Christ…… Let us give you a clue,,, The Old Testament harmonizes with The New very well……………”.

            I DO NOT BELIUEVE IN REVOLATIONS. Why is that so hard for you to accept. I am Jewish because both my parents were and all the way back
            on both sides of my family as we can find family records. I do not care what you say, why should I?

            Talk about Revelations, since you brought it up. One example. The Prophet Danial told us, after hearing it from God which defines it prophesy, that there would be the destruction of the Great City, He was talking
            about Jerusalem. HE said it would be the end of times for all those in the city. He said a greater beast would order a lessor beast to destroy the Great City. Charlie, are you keeping up?

            Well, in the year 70 AD that prophesy was proven when The Emperor of Rome ordered his son, General Titus, to totally destroy Jerusalem. The Emperor order Titus to burn the city to the ground, take the temple
            apart brick by brick and send all the religious artifacts back to Rome. Make it the end of days for all there. Does any of this sound familiar to you in Revelations? IT ALREADY HAPPENED.

            You go on to say “ Let us give you a clue,,, The Old Testament harmonizes with The New very well……………”. Well Charlie, this tells me you either have not read The Hebrew Bible (what Christians have renamed The Old Testament for their own purposes, we Jews do not call it that) or you
            are not capable of understanding it. It tells me this because the contradictions are so very obvious. Things like the Hebrew Messiah will be a mortal, say the prophets. And the Messiah will have to perform a litany of deeds and Jesus performed none of them.

            Read the Hebrew Bible before you open your stupid mouth or type your dumb words. Get it explained to you by someone who understands English since Hebrew will make you even dumber, if that is possible.

            You end with “NOW??? you have yet to define “””Time”””,,, NO one has!!!……”. I did addressed that to you in my response to that. Did you miss it? But if “NO one has!!!” defined it, as you say, how do you expect me to? You very much do not know how to use
            argument…. Maybe when and if you grow up.

            I have said this a number of times. Who was Jesus Kink of. He was never a Hebrew king just as he was never a Hebrew Messiah. If you in your tiny mind want him to be a Christian King and a Christian Messiah I
            bet no Jew would have a problem with that. He was only a man, a rabbi, nothing more. Stop pushing him as a king to me.

            “MacJew1948” huh? You Charlie are a super bigot and bigotry/hate is the opposite of God. Laugh all you want but the more you talk/write the more of a fool you proof of yourself.

            Let me give you a hint about logic. For you to use a thing as evidence/proof it would have to be something the person you are trying to convince that the thing you are using is believable to him/her. If you use your bible to prove something it better be to someone who believes in your bible. HINT: I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR JESUS AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR BIBLE. I would so much rather believe what is in the Hebrew Bible (and Torah which comes from God).

            Remember that Israel was a patriarchal society. That means things were passed down, things like kingships and territory for example. Jesus had no blood line to David through any male according to your bible. That in itself disqualifies Jesus from anything Earthly before himself. That certainty disqualifies Jesus as a Hebrew Messiah from conception, you know, the two human parents requirement for a being to be the Hebrew
            Messiah. God told the Prophets this so go argue with God. Oh wait, you will probably try to prove God wrong. Read the Hebrew Bible if you really want to know what is in there. I am so sick and tires of
            people like you trying to discredit Hebrew Scriptures so you can justify your bible. All bibles should be able to stand on their own merits and with all you say yours doesn’t seem to be able without redefining or editing our scriptures.

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,,, You not believing something , makes it not “”True”””??????????? Give us a break!!! but,,, go ahead and babelon ,,, you are proving The Bible with your non Bible data … Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…
            Charlie Freedom

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…The thing is you cannot prove the Hebrew Prophets wrong, the ones who spoke of the coming of the Hebrew Messiah, but you keep trying, which means you are telling us God is lying.. The Hebrew Prophets get their stuff directly from God and they say the Hebrew Messiah will be all human, with 2 human parents. Go argue with God. LOL

            “Meanwhile…” we Jews do things as God says about waiting for the Hebrew Messiah, who has not come yet but will in God’s time, not yours Charlie.

            I have a question for ya Charlie. First though:

            (In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be
            fulfilled.”) and Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”. The “Law here is Torah Charlie. It was written in Heaven by God and only he Himself, God, can change it.

            Torah, God’s Laws, is all in the Hebrew Bible Charlie (the First Five books of the Hebrew Bible is Torah. You may know it as “The Five Books Of Moses” if that helps), did you miss this too or is it too tough for
            you to understand.

            Now for my question. So Charlie boy, do Heaven and Earth still exist? Only God can full Torah, God’s law, not Jesus. I believe Jesus was saying “to carry on with it”.

            With all that said I believe Torah is still alive and well with us and what your Paul/Saul had to say from his journey on the road to Damascus was all in his head only. Either that or Jesus was lying.Who was lying, Paul/Saul or Jesus? They cannot both be telling the
            truth since they contradict each other.

            By the way Charlie, I quoted Matthew 5:17 and
            Luke 16:17 because they are in your Bible and it is what you believe in. That is how logic works, you use something that the person you are trying to convince
            of something by using something he/she believes in or gives credibility to. You do not use your bible as proof of anything to people who do not consider your bible credible. It will never work that way.

            If you will use my bible please do not distort the meanings of Hebrew scriptures or edit them in any way or ASSume anything of them that isn’t there, as you are doing. One example of you ASSuming what is in
            the Hebrew Bible is saying Jesus is in The Hebrew Bible when he is nowhere in there. That will never work either. I think you should write your own bible from scratch so you can have all the Charlie meanings in it you want. LOL. Of course you will be the only believer
            in it but who cares, at least you get to define all the scripture meanings. LOL

            Stay out of The Hebrew Bible with your delusions since you have no respect for it. Go to it only if you care to learn what it really means, if that is possible. The Hebrew Bible was around a lot longer than yours was and the meanings of it were explained long before your bible came along. Making up new meanings in our bible will never justify anything for you, except in your mind maybe.

            You start your make believe with “Mac1948,,,,
            You not believing something , makes it not “”True”””??????????? Give us a break!!! but,,,”.

            Of course my not believing in something doesn’t make it not true just like you believing in something doesn’t make it true. I do not need you to believe what I say, Jews do not need you to believe what we know are the meanings of the Hebrew scriptures. But when you and your bible so contradict what is in our bible who and what do you expect us to believe? Sorry Charlie, you are a trip, LOL.

          • Charlie

            Mac1948,,,, Ha ha ha ha ah ,,. once again you are NOT harmonized with Scriptures ,,,, Who spoke Matthew 5:17?? who spoke Luke 16:19 ??? Is this the Jesus that you are to speak about??? Also you again failed to show Scriptures in CONTEXTs … ALL Scriptures harmonize with themselves ON subject matter ,,,, so,,, keep reading 5:17, 18, 19 etc then figure out what it has said …. Figure it out!!! King Jesus Christ IS God !!!…………………….
            You so called “Jews” are in deep dog do do,,, read that at
            the book of Obadiah…. Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…
            Charlie Freedom

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie…
            Ok, you win, I give up. Not that you are convincing, by no means are
            you that mainly because you do not know how to be. But I know we
            cannot argue with the Mafia, we cannot argue with a crazy person and
            we cannot argue with a person so intent on yelling his argument so
            loudly that he refuses to hear the other side because he has to be
            right no matter what, no matter how wrong he is. Get some help
            because you very much need it but at least you win. Now you just need
            to figure out what you win. I am giving up with you because you just
            aren’t worth the effort just like it wouldn’t be with the Mafia, a
            crazy person and you. For all I know you could be as all 3. What a
            drain you are as a human being. The joke that is you is not fun, you
            are just sad.

          • Charlie

            Anyone that does NOT know The Holy Bible ,,, most ,,, versions ,,, Certainly cannot debate this “”Jew thing”” you babel about … The word “Jew” originates with the tribe of Judah ,,, probably the most famous or notorious of all the tribes of Jacob Israel , that are mentioned in The Bible….
            Most notable being King Jesus Christ ,,, a bloodline Jew…
            The Son of The Almighty God with the same Power and Authority of His Father …. This “”Jesus”” you are waiting for ,,, can you give us Scriptures that will ID Him???

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            How is the head????
            Old Charlie is like a brain tumor that radiation can’t kill.

            BTW-I don’t care what kind of Jew you are, just be the best human being that you are capable of being.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…
            A I do not care what kind of Christian (or Hindu or Buddhist or
            Muslim is as long as they are respectful of others) a person is
            either. I try Bob but people like Charlie bring out the worst in
            others with his bigotry and closed mindedness and let’s not forget his ignorance and stupidity. He just cannot accept
            other peoples rights and liberties if they differ from his beliefs.
            Vary sad. I honestly belief his Jesus would not approve of him. Does he sound familiar for the political side as well?

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            ” Does he sound familiar for the political side as well”?
            Yes, just look at about half of those on this site. It really is funny if you look at it, they are the ones who call people names, make racial slurs, call people a liar at the drop of a hat.

            Yes, if Jesus came back today, I believe there would be some difficult revelations and many of them might be surprised at their final destination.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…Do you may remember what Gandhi said ?

            2 versions – “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians­.Your Christians are
            so unlike your Christ.” – Mohandas K. Gandhi

            And:
            A Gandhi quote – “I have no problem with Jesus as my personal savior, but to me, Christians are not very Christian-like”.

            It seems to me there are 2 kinds and I prefer the Christians who have respect for others as Jesus did. Jesus even tried to help the poor instead of doing away with things that would help them. The is no GOP or Far Right Conservatism in Jesus. There is no Jesus in the GOP or the Far Right. But there is what they want Jesus to be instead of what he was. I read the Christan Bibles and I do not see the Jesus of many
            here today. Just how I see it but I grew up with many decent Christians who respected others who believed differently from themselves and I met many since.

          • Vigilant

            T’would appear that MacGyver’s stock in trade is the speculative comment, the surmise, the implication. Sorry, son, that’s not debate, that’s the feckless and gutless refuge of the propagandist and rumor monger.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Would seem so, fellow patriot. Here is an article showing how local law enforcement are treating impeach Obama bin Laden protesters.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/impeach-obama-protesters-harassedintimidated/
            I guess they don’t want the truth to get out. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “And whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectfully represent in Congress to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union.”
            Articles of Confederation
            July 09, 1778

          • macgyver1948

            Vigilant… Look who is calling the kettle black. You Right guys either make it up to malign the Left or you, the little guy, take it in as your programming and spread the pig waste. I’m not the “the propagandist and rumor monger” but I guess you are not programmed to see those in yourselves.

            Vickie,,, no I am not the “what if” guy either as some of you are in your attempts to get us to think in the wrong directions. Learn how to read and comprehend. Don;t take things so often out of context either

          • Vigilant

            “Vigilant… Look who is calling the kettle black. You Right guys either make it up to malign the Left ”

            Specifics, specifics, Mac. Kindly itemize even ONE thing I’ve “made up” to malign the left.

            If you can’t, keep your pie hole shut.
            .

          • macgyver1948

            Vigilant…
            ah gee , just read your comments. OR do you just pick on a guy from
            the Left so you could ask this “later”?

            Besides you started this with me. I just want to exchange ideas here with those who might not see things as I do.

          • Vigilant

            Thank you for admitting you’re “a guy from the Left.” You had me going there for awhile talking about your respect for the Constitution.

            If you truly wish to exchange ideas, then perhaps you should specify any things I’ve “made up” to malign the left. There is no basis for an exchange of ideas when I proffer same and get no return from you.

            Or, perhaps for a refreshing change, counter anything I’ve said and then produce facts to substantiate it.

          • macgyver1948

            Vigilant… You say “Thank you for admitting you’re “a guy from the Left.” Yeah, I do admit I lean left, always did, but in the way you say it here it sounds like there is something wrong with being on the Left. No attack on your part, huh? Well, maybe there is to people who do not like liberty for others who do not agree with them, like you. Oh, I have more respect and love for our Constitution than you are capable of understanding. I want liberty equally for all and I want the protections it was designed for, for us from the Government. I do not know what you want from the Constitution but with how you put people down, and their leanings, for disagreeing with you it ain’t Americanism. Please do not mistake this for my denying you your Free Speech. That is way too
            important for even people like you.

            You said “Liberalism and socialism have been partners in crime for most of the last 100 year”. No put down on Liberalism on your part, is there? I do not agree anywhere near to the extent you say. Fascism
            is far Right so we can say The Tea Party and now many in the GOP who are owned by Tea are
            like them.

            There are other things you said but it’s not worth finding them because you are not worth it. You started this with me. I guess you didn’t like my comments. I do not need you to agree with me, I just wanted to exchange ideas but that cannot be done with people like you. How far RIGHT are you? Please do not answer that, it was rhetorical.

    • Vigilant

      My, my, how so many posters mention Zimmerman “making initial contact,” as if that’s the end of the story. As you say, “My how the story changes when you want to make it into a race case for others now.”

      Tell, us, Mac, based on your below posting you have the milk of human kindness dripping from every vein, and you desire a world with no crime. Where is your high dudgeon over the FACT that Zimmerman DISENGAGED but was later attacked by Martin?

      Yes, indeed, how the story changes when you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

      • macgyver1948

        Vigilant …That is your disconnected view of the events. Maybe the boy was in self defense mode since he noticed his stalker, I bet most of us would be. We just do not know all the facts even after the trial. I do not see any heroes in this story.

        • skrewdisqus

          “self-defense” does not involve turning from your original destination then going to confront another, then punching him in the face, then getting on top of him and beating his head into a concrete sidewalk. All of those actions are offensive in nature. He could have gotten off the phone with the manatee in a wig and called 911. He could have raised a ruckus to encourage others to call 911. He could have simply asked “who are you and what do you want” from a safe distance. He did “none of the above”. “Stupid” can often be fatal, as in this case.

          • macgyver1948

            skrewdisqus… You are so right “self-defense”
            does not involve turning from your original destination then going to confront another, then punching him in the face, then getting on top of him and beating his head into a concrete sidewalk. All of those actions are offensive in nature. He could have gotten off the phone with the manatee in a wig and called 911. He could have raised a ruckus to encourage others to call 911. He could have simply asked “who are you and what do you want” from a safe distance. He did “none of the above”. “Stupid” can often be fatal, as in this case.”

            “He could have, he could have, he could have”. My point is we do not really know all the facts but so many of us are acting as “EYE WITNESSES” as they know what did happen and what could have happened. We do not have the boys views on what happened, because he wasnl;t askes since he is dead, and I wasn’t there so I can’t say what happened. Do you know how scared the boy was when the stranger Zimmerman approached him and maybe made first
            contact? We just have to accept this verdict but the law needs to be father examined.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    48,000 Americans have been murdered by ILLEGAL aliens since 9/11

  • Jim Gregory

    How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin’s Death
    http://spectator.org/blog/2013/07/15/trayvon-crime-school-miami
    By Robert Stacy McCain on 7.15.13 @ 1:05AM

    The February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martion might never have happened if school officials in Miami-Dade County had not instituted an unofficial policy of treating crimes as school disciplinary infractions. Revelations that emerged from an internal affairs investigationexplain why Martin was not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry in October 2011 or with marijuana in February 2012. Instead, the teenager was suspended from school, the last time just days before he was shot dead by George Zimmerman.

    Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where he was shot in 2012 and where a jury acquitted Zimmerman of murder charges Saturday. Martin was from Miami Gardens, more than 200 miles away, and had come to Sanford to stay with his father’s girlfriend Brandy Green at her home in the townhouse community where Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had been suspended for the second time in six months from Krop High School in Miami-Dade County, where both his father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, lived.

    Both of Trayvon’s suspensions during his junior year at Krop High involved crimes that could have led to his prosecution as a juvenile offender. However, Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) in 2010 had implemented a policy that reduced the number of criminal reports, manipulating statistics to create the appearance of a reduction in crime within the school system. Less than two weeks before Martin’s death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for “decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an impressive 60 percent for the last six months of 2011.” What was actually happening was that crimes were not being reported as crimes, but instead treated as disciplinary infractions.

    In October 2011, after a video surveillance camera caught Martin writing graffiti on a door, MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched Martin’s backpack, looking for the marker he had used. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry and a man’s watch, along with a flathead screwdriver the officer described as a “burglary tool.”The jewelry and watch, which Martin claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a description of items stolen during the October 2011 burglary of a house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However, because of Chief Hurley’s policy “to lower the arrest rates,” as one MDSPD sergeant said in an internal investigation, the stolen jewerly was instead listed as“found property” and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were investigating the burglary. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD officer caught Martin with a small plastic bag containing marijuana residue, as well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead Martin was suspended from school.

    Either of those incidents could have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the juvenile justice system. However, because of Chief Hurley’s attempt to reduce the school crime statistics — according to sworn testimony, officers were “basically told to lie and falsify” reports — Martin was never arrested. And if he had been arrested, he might never have been in Sanford the night of his fatal encounter with Zimmerman.

    In fact, the reason Zimmerman was patrolling the townhouse community the night of the February 2012 shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the neighborhood, although there was no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any of those crimes.

    As for Chief Hurley’s policy, it was the controversy over Martin’s death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, theMiami Herald reported on Martin’s troubled history of disciplinary incidents at Krop High. Chief Hurley then launched the internal affairs investigation in an attempt to find out who had provided information to the reporter. During the course of that investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors described Chief Hurley’s policy of not reporting crimes by students. Chief Hurley was subsequently accused of sexually harassing two female subordinates. He resigned in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin’s death.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Rep Steve King to sue Obama over amnesty executive order http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZdtatXoXw0

    • Bob666

      Yo Ham Hock,
      That will go down just like your girl Oily-Tatz.

      Good for humor-not much else.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        “Moron000 of the 13 generation out of 14” time after time you are proving how STUPID and DELUSIONAL you are. You are blind in your Demonic HATE.

        Where are you seeing Orly’s Web link?

        “You Can’t Fix Stupid. Stupid is FOR-EVER” – Ron White

        Oh, BTW, do not forget to make the next reply under the names
        Justsomeguy151 or Hall of the Mountain King.

        P.S. Please Keep squeaking manurial fly.

        • Bob666

          Yo Fatback,
          That’s funny, been slopped for the evening I see.

          Justsomeguy151 or Hall of the Mountain King?

          Perhaps you are off your meds?

          • WTS/JAY

            You know, Bob, you will never get the girl…not if you continue using those awful pick-up lines…! (-:

          • Bob666

            If pork fest were the last woman of her species on the face of the earth, I would become an asexual-like a house plant.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Again with the personal attacks and arguments to ridicule. Don’t you ever grow up and try to learn something? Here is an article for you to read Bob. This article is true and you cannot prove it wrong.
            http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/cia_freemasons.html
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”
            George Washington
            Founding father
            “Father of our country”
            Commander of the Continental Armies
            1st President of the U.S.
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor Geisha Boy,
            Another Slur, Very predictable, but you can’t prove it to be correct. So it is Just another Sammy Babble rant here on PLD.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sorry Bob, but the source I’ve posted is accurate and it is you, not I, that needs to prove my source wrong. Another attempt at duck and cover, but you have failed miserably. Here is another one for you Bob.
            http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/lucistrust.html
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The right way usually lies between two extremes: it is the narrow channel between the rock and the whirlpool.”
            Charles Spurgeon

          • Bob666

            Oh poor Sammy,,

            Yes, if it is on the internet, it must be true…….

            No angry little man, it is not true, no matter how much you want to believe it is.

            There is no proof to it and I know this really crushes an insecure little man like you who lacks morals and ethics or nads to stand on his own two feet.

            You are a very sad example of both a man and christian.

            “To talk well and eloquently is a very great art, but that an equally great one is to know the right moment to stop.”

            Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response possible due to lack of intellectual content by Bob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            It is proven every time you post. BTW, here is a nice video for you to watch about Hitlery.
            http://www.secure.stophillarypac.org/list/ttplf/Default.aspx?initiativekey=PENXUDRZRWBQ
            Sorry Bob, but Hitlery is going down for the count. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “I, too, have made a wee little book from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus. It is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have ever seen. It is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            Letter to Charles Thompson
            January 9, 1816
            Orthodox Christian
            *Sounds like he believed Jesus was the Son of God. Ergo, not a deist.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Wow, look who is talking about women!

            All your life you are “an asexual-like a house” stinky cactus. Even your mommy did not like you.
            Surely even Karolyn would not want to be with you.

            You are sooooo bitterly angry, because ALL girls/women rejected you. They killed your self-esteem.
            And man without self-esteem and self-image is very small and pitiful, just like you are.

            Thus nothing left for you but masturbate your totally loathed STUPIDITY from your subsidies studio.

            Keep yapping Libtard.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Now, now, now Alondra, we both know that Bob only comes here for the following reasons:
            1. He’s a paid troll.
            2. He’s just a spiteful little man who likes to place his displaced anger onto others.
            3. He has nothing better to do.
            Here is an article about his girlfriend Nancy Pelosi.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/07/24/nancy-pelosi-creep-enabler-n1647430/page/full
            Here is one about stand your ground laws and the Obama bin Laden administration.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/stand-your-ground-the-governments-attack-on-self-defense/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “It is the duty of all to acknowledge that the Divine Law which requires us to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves , on pain of eternal damnation, is Holy, just, and good. The revealed law of God is the rule of our duty.”
            Roger Sherman
            Signer of all 4 founding documents
            Devout Christian

          • Jeff

            Yes, you’ve figured it out. Obama personally identified the only two lunatics on the internet who have “the goods” on him, so he pays Bob big bucks to take you and Alondra on. It’s the only reason he won re-election. Thanks for playing.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeff,
            You nailed that one!!!!

          • Bob666

            Yo Little Geisha Boy,

            This is funny!

            1. “He’s a paid troll”.

            Then who has my check? Unlike your receiving a government paycheck all of your life, all but thee years of mine came from the free market-another thing that you know nothing about.

            2. “He’s just a spiteful little man who likes to place his displaced anger onto others”.

            Spiteful?, I have a great family, very good retirement and sold a very successful business with a top rated reputation, I have nothing to be “spiteful” about little Geisha Boy. As usual, no facts to back up yet another fact-less Sammy comment.

            3. “He has nothing better to do”. Well Sammy, I teach one night a week and play golf three days a week.

            I have three days a week of consulting for the next 30 months. My wife says that I am busier in retirement than more full time workers.

            “Here is an article about his girlfriend Nancy Pelosi”.

            Well little Geisha Boy, as Ronald Reagan once said-“there you go again”!

            Never have liked Pelosi, she, like you suffers from a Napoleon complex and lacks the intellect to be truly successful.

            “There is no doubt in my mind that Masonry is the cornerstone of America.”

            Dave Thomas
            Freemason
            Founder of Wendy’s International

          • Bob666

            Oh Baby Backs,
            It always gets down to sex and sexuality with you followed by an unhealthy and demented comment. Your response only reinforces the fact that you are a very troubled species with little hope for evolving.

            I hope that your species will be walking up-right in the next couple of generations since you are able to type with out the aid of an opposable or prehensile thumb.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response possible due to lack of intellectual content. Sheesh! Just go home Bob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Go away Kang, for you have no right to be here, traitor. Care to prove my sources wrong? Where are yours? The more intelligent person would post sources. I see that I am still have the higher intellect between us. Here is an article showing how Obama bin Laden doesn’t want to work with anyone, but tries to boss people around.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/let-me-be-clear-obamas-not-willing-to-work-with-anybody/
            Here is an article showing how libturdism and progturdism is failing our cities, governments, and children.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/failing-cities-failing-politicians-failing-americas-youth/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”
            James Madison
            America’s Providential History – p. 93
            4th President of the U.S.
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Oh poor historical revisionist,

            An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against……Every new and successful example therefore of a PERFECT SEPARATION between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance……..religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government.

            James Madison

            In a letter to Livingston, 1822, from Leonard W. Levy- The Establishment Clause, Religion and the First Amendment,pg 124.

            James Madison
            4th President of the U.S.
            Hardly a “Devout” Christian

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Soory Bob, but tis you, not I, that is the revisionist. Anyone can tel you that anyone who uses the (…) is leaving something out. Why don’t you post the whole quote and not just the area that suits you? Not good for a former professor. My students even know this. So, you are less knowledgeable than a class of high school students? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Also, you haven’t proven my factual source wrong. BTW, the quote I posted never said anything about a government regulated religion, you did. Madison said other things that you cannot prove wrong.
            “We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”
            “The internal effects of a mutable policy poisons the BLESSINGS of liberty itself.”
            I don’t know about you, but this sounds Christian to me. Here are some more:
            I enter on the trust to which I have been called by the suffrages of my fellow citizens with my fervent prayers to the Almighty that He will be graceously pleased to continue to us that protection which He has already so conspicuously displayed in our favor.”
            March 04, 1817
            “The real wonder is that so many difficulties should have been surmounted. It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it a finger of that Almighty Hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief.”
            “A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven.”
            Letters and Other Writings of James Madison, New York: R. Worthington, 1884, Vol 1, pp. 5 – 6, to William Bradford on November 09, 1772.
            Don’t know about you Bob, but they all sound Christian to me, so stop using deconstructionism, academic collectivism, modernism, and poststructuralism. It really makes you look less intellegent. Why don’t you look at this and learn, or weep in your case?
            http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government
            BTW, Madison got the idea for our 3 branches of government fron Isaiah 33:22. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Bob666

            Yawn,

            “Don’t know about you Bob, but they all sound Christian to me”,
            That is because you want them to! Some of us deal with reality and you tend to believe what you want to believe-not want the facts direct rational people to believe.

            “so stop using deconstructionism, academic collectivism, modernism, and poststructuralism. It really makes you look less intellegent”.

            Wake me up when you make a relevant factual statement verse the emotional rants of pathetically irrelevant babble of an insecure little man.

            “Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else.”
            Will Rogers

            Humorist and Freemason

          • Bob666

            Yo Stars,
            Never had the pleasure, but welcome to PLD. You obviously see through the little Sammy’s spin to re-write History and Alondra’s bazaar psychotic behavior.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep squeaking manurial fly.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            As I see you stoked on the Pelosi’s panty. Sorry, I can’t help you. You are veeeeery STUPID.
            Please Keep squeaking manurial fly.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The personal attack and argument to ridicule, classic 5th column strategies. When you have no facts, distract, change the subject, duck and cover, or use misdirection. Bob you are a fraud, now be a good little boy and go play in the street. Here is an article showing a judge doing his job by standing up to Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16048-federal-judge-challenges-white-house-authority-on-drone-killings
            It also seems that people are raising funds and attacking your girlfriend Hitlery.
            http://www.politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/22/stop-hillary-group-ramps-up-anti-clinton-efforts/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Religious services are regularly performed at the University (Virginia) by a chaplain, who is appointed in turn from the four principles denominations of the State. And by a resolution of the Faculty, ministers of the Gospel, and young men preparing for the ministry, may attend any of the schools without the paymeny of fees to the professors.”
            Washington, D.C. newspaper – 1810
            *Who says the U of V was founded secular? looks like they have been caught in another lie.

          • Bob666

            On Poor Babble Boy.

            “The personal attack and argument to ridicule, classic 5th column strategies”

            No, not really.

            ” When you have no facts, distract, change the subject, duck and cover, or use misdirection”.

            No, the woman is a pig-that’s an observation.

            “Bob you are a fraud, now be a good little boy and go play in the street”

            Well Little man-put up or shut up, what is
            fraudulent about me? Just another little Sammy comment with no facts to back it up?

            BTW, I’m still waiting to hear about all those advantages that I grew up with.

            Talk about frauds-you take the cake little man!

            Empty pockets never held anyone back. Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.
            Norman Vincent Peale, American minister and Freemason

          • macgyver1948

            Hay Bob666… it never ends with him, does it?

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac!
            I see you are back for a headache?

            Yes, little Babble man is on a roll tonight with all of the wisdom that one can fit tea spoon left over by a tea bager.

            I believe that he and Alondra switched medications at the half-way house again.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666… Yeah, I see he is back with his Solomon like wisdom but I do not think he realizes how he sounds so maybe we should piutty him. LOL

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            piutty da fool!

            I don’t think so.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Samurai, the YO-YO Moron “of the 13 generation out of 14” came with the “new” name.

            Here are “his” names: “Bob666″, “Justsomeguy151″, “Hall of the Mountain King” and “Stars-n-Stripes”.

            Under these names he is posting demonic CRAP.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Once a moron, always a moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • Bob666

            Oh Babble Boy,

            You are the broad definition of a Moran sad little man!

            “So far as I am acquainted with the doctrines and principles of Freemasonry, I conceive them to be founded in benevolence, and to be exercised only for the good of mankind. I cannot, therefore, upon this ground, withdraw my approbation from it” (Mackey, 1966, 1095).

            General George Washington
            Freemason
            First President of the United States.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Again with the non-important Freemasonry crap. In fact, here are some articles about what is going on with the administration of the pretender.
            http://www.cowboybyte.com/23287/irs-investigation-not-so-phony/
            http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/2013/07/24/for-every-job-created-by-obama-2-americans-enroll-in-food-stamps-n1648015
            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-denounces-congress-focusing-phony-scandals-promises-more-executive-action
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong – essencially wrong – a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.”
            John Quincy Adams
            6th President of the U.S.
            Letters of Freemasonry, 1833
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Space Alien Geisha Boy,

            Maybe you offer to be Kim’s Geisha Boy while you are over in Korea.

            “There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation.
            The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.”
            Will Rogers

          • Bob666

            Yo Porkenstein,
            Off your med’s again I see. Perhaps we could put an apple in your mouth?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep squeaking manurial fly.

          • Bob666

            And surround you with yams and carrots!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Continue squeaking manurial fly.

          • Bob666

            With some cloves, pineapple slices and candied cherries!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Bob, do you ever shut up? The woman has posted factual sources and you? Ooops! No sources. Libertarian my backside, more like libturd/progturd. Sheesh! Is that all you got Bob is personal attacks and arguments to ridicule? Sheesh! Here is an article that describes you and your ilk.
            http://www.creation.com/evolution-vs-god
            Your last few posts don’t sound too Christian to me. Must be a CINO. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we process of handing them down unimpaired to out latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most greatful acknowledgements for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good.”
            James Monroe
            5th President of the U.S.
            2nd Annual Message to Congress
            November 16, 1818

          • Bob666

            Yo lying little sack of crap,

            Why don’t you go have a meeting with Kim since you are over in Korea-You can explain American diplomacy and start a new military conflict.

            Read the real page 183 yet? You would tell a lie if the truth sounded better.

            “General Lafayette and General Washington shared not only a close friendship but membership in the Craft, a commonly used name for Freemasonry. On two occasions General Lafayette presented Masonic aprons to Washington. One of these aprons, embroidered in colored silks by Madame Lafayette, bore the emblems of the Holy Royal Arch degree. The fact that this apron was especially made for George Washington has led to much speculation that he was raised to that degree. This may be of considerable importance, for the “Royal Arch degree is the salient, spiritual degree of Freemasonry, not excepting the degree of Master Mason” (Steinmetz, 1946, 67).

            “It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe, without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being.”

            General George Washington
            Freemason
            First President of the United States
            Hardly a “devout” Christian

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Not as much crap as the one you just posted. KNock it off. Stars and stripes? You can’t take thius crap an wrap it up in the flag. You are a disgrace to this country, so go back from where you came from. Wasn’t it Korea? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • Bob666

            Wow Sammy,

            You really know how to win friends!

            Stars-n-Stripes nailed you pretty well-he recognizes a pile of crap when he sees it!

            My choice early in life was either to be a piano-player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there’s hardly any difference.

            Harry S Truman quotes

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response possible due to lack of intellectual content from Bob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Bob666

            Poor Geisha Boy
            There is no response because you’re an Idiot.

            Stars-n-Stripes nailed you pretty well-he recognizes a pile of crap when he sees it!

            Bravery is the capacity to perform properly even when scared half to death.
            Omar N. Bradley

            Omar Nelson Bradley was a United States Army field commander in North Africa and Europe during World War II, and a General of the Army of the U.S. Army
            Freemason

    • Jeff

      Even Boehner recognizes that Steven King is both nuts and politically toxic. I love it when he and that Truman Capote impersonator, Reince Priebus, talk. The more people hear them, the more they hate the Repugs.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Oh, Jeffry, now you are supporting weeping RINO.
        Isn’t touching?

        • Jeff

          Aloonie:

          I have little use for Boehner and his theatrics, but he at least has some grasp of reality unlike King and you extreme right wingers. That doesn’t mean he won’t bend over for the far right as he has done so many times. Don’t get me wrong. I love it when King or Louis Gohmert or one of the other wackos says something newsworthy. It’s entertaining and reminds people how much they hate the Repugs.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, whom are you kidding Jeffry with your self-appeasing Demonic LIE!!! Boehner has NONE grasp of reality, and NEVER had, but coward caving.

            Soon he will change his party affiliation, because as a Republican he is toasted. This is REALITY, Jeffry.

            Please keep your Liberal/Progressive PROPAGANDA.

          • Jeff

            Boehner will retire before he changes parties. Maybe you can get Orly Taitz to move to his district and “primary” him. Good luck. I’d love to see a democrat hold Boehner’s old seat.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep masturbate your liberal/Progressive STUPIDITY Jeffry.

  • mnkysnkle

    I am George Zimmerman (Sparticus)! No trademark required…….

    • Alex

      Then you are a self-proclaimed cowardly murderer who lied to a judge.

      • mnkysnkle

        Please tell me. Does it stink when you soil yourself? Or are you used to it?

        • Alex

          Is it painful to live in your humorless void?

          • mnkysnkle

            May I quote you from one of your articulately stated, and meticulously punctuated previous postings? “—ummm……..DUH!”

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          D’oh! :-) :-) :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • Alex

    W.A.R. says that President Barack Obama is “not the nation’s first post-race president”—ummm……..DUH!

    This wretched country will not have a post-race president until we have taken our cue from the RSA and institute our own Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

  • Alex

    In a just world—which of course we do not have—Zimmy would have been rendered unconscious by the concrete and therefore unable to complete his plan to follow Martin, confront him, provoke a fight, and then shoot him to death.

    This unjust world does have a LOT of concrete, though—and Zimmy will get his…

    • WTS/JAY

      Racist!

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        The Kenyan FRAUD spent 20 years in the Racist, America hated
        Church.

        Isn’t time for Americans of all skin colors to put to end the BLACK RACISM? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkEZliJEl8

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Here is an article that asks why Obama doesn’t say anything about 2 negro teens shooting a baby in the face.
          http://www.minutemannews.com/2013/07/obama-wheres-your-speech-for-baby-shot-in-the-face-by-black-teens/
          I guess that a 13 month old latino child is not important enough for Obama bin Laden to speak out for. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves Alex out.
          “The office of a historian is:
          1. To record the progress of human affairs as directed by the providence of God;
          2. to exhibit the connection of events, showing how an immense series is produced as cause and effect; and 3. to display the character of man and of God.”
          Jedidiah Morse
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

          • macgyver1948

            samurai… Oh man.. why not bring up every case that ever occurred and ask why Obama did not mention them? You always prove the ridiculous is your logic. Good for you.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This was just an example, but this case also made national news. The only difference was that a latino baby was killed and not a negro baby. Here is an article showing that Obama bin Laden supported the same laws while as a state senator in Illinois.
            http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21736-president-obama-pushed-stand-your-ground-laws/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “That Book (the Bible) is the rock on which our Republic rests.”
            Andrew Jackson
            American Army General
            7th President of the U.S.

          • Jeff

            No, the difference is that the shooter was acquitted. Should Obama comment every time someone is shot and if he doesn’t comment about every crime, does that mean he approves? To you and Alondra, maybe so.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Wrong! The difference was that Zimmerman was on the defensive and the baby was defenseless. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고나라를위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Jeff

            You appear to disagree with Juror B-29 who thinks Zimmerman got away with murder because of the jury instructions and the way the prosecution presented the case. I find it hard to buy Zimmerman’s story as it tracks too neatly with the requirements of self defense. Like how he stopped pursuing Trayvon just before the fight and the way he drew his gun while he was defenseless. Plus, if Trayvon was on top and got shot in the heart, why wasn’t his blood all over Zimmerman? I think the prosecution did a poor job, possibly purposely? All that being said, I don’t completely discount the possibility he acted in self defense, but it was his unwarranted assumptions and suspicions and paranoia that caused the entire altercation. I hope he’s never allowed into law enforcement or back into Neighborhood Watch.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Don’t forget how the media hyped this thing up. I also don’t think he’ll be back on neighborhood watch. I could be wrong about that, but it is a distinct possibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • Don 2

            Who gives a crap? The country is dying and the jerk is talking about Trayvon. What a frick’in idiot! Worst president ever, even worse than Jimmy Carter. Should have been aborted!

          • Jeff

            Maybe you should tell him what to talk about. Oh, I forgot. He got elected and you’re just a moronic blogger. Tell him anyway. Does anyone actually listen when you talk?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          How about you start 무신론자 교포놈이냐? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Care to prove these arguments to ridicule? Zimmerman did not pull his gun till after Trayvon was on top of him, trying to kill him. If Zimmerman was doing, as you say he was, then he would have pulled his gun before doing anything. I know about this, for I served 20 years in the army, along with being in places that you would be too cowardly to go. Here is a plan that was concocted by Obama bin Laden and his terrorist friends.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/secret-obama-plan-forfeits-temple-mount-to-palestinians/
      Here is one confirming the crossing of the Red Sea by Moses and the Israelites.
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Notice that while oppressors have carried out their plans in history, there were other forces silently at work which in time undermined their plans – as if a Divine Hand (Hand of God) were directing the counter plan. Whoever peruses the story of liberty without recognizing this feature will fail of fully comprehending the meaning of history.”
      Charles Coffin
      “Great American Historian”

    • michiganminuteman

      Alex, your stupid is showing. Try to stick to the facts. Are you referring to the concrete that little TM was bashing Zimmerman’s head against? Little TM just got caught bringing a thug to a gun fight. So now all of us are arguing about a case of self defence instead of talking about all of obummers crimes against the citizens of this country! You sir are a “usefull idiot”, according to obummer.

    • Don 2

      In a just world, which of course we do not have, you would not have been born!

  • Ron

    Amazing when you come here to read all these opinions..you can really pick
    out the liberals because they want equality just like us conservatives..well almost…they think they are entitled to equality along with every welfare program out there. They believe in redistribution of wealth as their beloved leaders have convinced them they deserve. They call it sharing…why work for it when their Gov’t will take it away from those who have and give it to those who want! Gov’t has convinced them that all these entitlements are to help them get out of the hole they live in…while all along, all it has ever done is kept them in those holes and in fact dug them deeper to keep them there. But they continue to believe the lies they are told and continue to blame everyone else for their problems. Obama has been the worst so far of anyone and yet they continue to vote for these liberals because they will give them something for nothing and promise to get them out of that hole…how has that worked for you lately? So liberals…continue to believe it is all our fault that you are the scum you really are and stay in that hole instead of WORKING your way out and taking responsibility for who and what you are. You do not know the truth when you hear it because all the people you put your trust in continue to lie to your face and instead of finding fact in what you speak you just reiterate what you have been told!! This world today is not Liberal against Conservative…Democrat against Republican…but GOOD against EVIL and you have sided with EVIL and those are the facts! And if any one of you would open your eyes you would see…your Gov’t that you think so highly of has set us against each other, to take the attention away from themselves, because we want the same equality for ALL people, and when you realize this and we can agree to come together, we can bring Gov’t down and take our lives back, take our freedom back, and finally live in Peace!! This is a Libertarian site..if you are any of the above described other than GOOD get lost, leave this site and go back to your hole and enjoy your life there, we want to move on!!!

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Here is an article that has shocked the media world.
    http://www.americanvison.org/8868/journalist-creationist-evolutionists-insane/
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Every student, when he is fully trained, will be like his teacher.”
    Luke 6:40
    *This will describe the conditions at our schools these days.

  • boyscout

    No sense wasting effort on those who would have Z executed for pinning down, beating, then shooting to death a poor honest angelic 12 year old weakling black child whose only mistake was to wear a hoodie on his way home from church meeting. They want to be black too.

  • ridge runner

    My George Z moment is when I get another rifle and get it sited on the range,using images of thugs robbing old ladies. Like grouping of 4″ on 4 images at 500 feet. Between the black rabble rousers and the muslim marxist keeps whipping up the racist BS along with the Democrat Party. Keep buying guns of ant type and keep plenty of ammo.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Video documenting how the U.S. Dept. of Justice helped the Dream Defenders — a bogus “student group” run by paid activists with links to ACORN and Occupy — target George Zimmerman and the Sanford police chief in April, 2012.

  • An Old Seabee

    The White Side of the Story of Negroes

    This is the reason CNN has dropped Buchanan. It’s like Newt GO. said, “You are not supposed to bring up uncomfortable Facts.” (verified on Buchanan’s website)

    BUCHANAN TO OBAMA

    Finally…It is Said Publicly. I have never seen the white side explained better!

    Pat Buchanan had the guts to say it. It is about time!!

    BUCHANAN TO OBAMA

    cid:1.3414169196@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.comBy Patrick I. Buchanan

    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to… This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances, and demands heard. And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

    Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids…? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America ‘s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tanana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

    • Jeffrey T

      Its how people are raised! They have to WANT TO CHANGE! But dont. Its to easy to BLAME WHITEY! For their own FAILURES & LAZYNESS!
      And if you dont AUTOMATICLY AGREE with them your labeled as a RACIST & BIGOT! Their will NEVER BE a 2 way conversation untill were allowed to voice our own opinions ( which is part of the Constitution ” the Free speech part etc. But like I said its easier to play the blame game instead of them taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions! Is it a white persons fault that blacks are killing blacks in crime ridden neighbor hoods nation wide?? And when cops have a perp that NO ONE SAW NUTIN! OR KNOWS NUTIN! Letting the bad guy off! Yeah didnt everyone know that a WHITE PERSONS HAND forces that black one to pull the trigger! Or deal in drugs or join a gang! The Blacks have been spoon fed and handed all kinds of pro kudosvthat white people dont get! Like Affirmitive action hiring! Where companies & other organizations hire less qualified black applicants etc ( ive seen it first hand in the FD Academy) my best friend was an Affirmitive action hire I helped him study to pass his FF3 test etc . Blacks need to stop the IM STILL RACIALY OPPRESSED VICTIM STATUS! Its 2013 and we have a White-Black POTUS ( THOUGH A DISMAL FAILURE HE IS) SO if their are SO MANY RACIST & BIGOTS IN THE USA! How did he get Elected 2x???

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Even if George Zimmerman was a card carrying KKK member (he’s not) as well as, for the sake of argument, the president of a fictitious organization called the Anti-Black, Hispanic-American Coalition, he should not have been convicted, legally because he was where he was supposed to be, doing what he was supposed to be doing.

    Doesn’t it scare you that if George was indifferent toward blacks or even found them unpleasant or maybe made an observation about the disproportionate amount of drug crime, gang crime, violent crime, particularly murder and black on white, black on black crime, he might have been convicted even though he did everything right?

    When we get to this honest conversation we’re supposed to have about race, I hope we get to the fact that we are under siege by the institutional racism of our government, including our pResident, our AG, the head of our Just Us Dept. and our media that don’t understand why people fear young black men visiting our gated communities from the time we go to kindergarten to the time we get to prison for defending our lives, until they get to the “Just Us Department” or the white house or if we’re not black we’re the real victim, dead of multiple blunt trauma, maybe even asphyxiation at the T of a walkway where a suspicious young black guest in our gated community that he had already left 5 minutes before.

    Our ethnic comedians can tell 25 jokes with “white boy” as the punch line and people laugh but statistics related to blacks, and noticing young, black men as potentially dangerous is “racist”. That is the world in which we live.

    Screw the speech police. The world is here as we find it. We are not criminals for saying what we see and acting in the interest of good sense just because we are brain washed that we are not supposed to call a club a diamond. Did I say spade a heart? You know what I mean. Just that jack boot brain washing from public schools won’t let me say it.