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My Christmas Message

December 25, 2012 by  

My Christmas Message
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When Mr. Livingston told me that I’d be leading off Personal Liberty Digest™ on Christmas Day, the only suggestion he offered involved “something short and light.” Suitably forewarned, I mused on the idea of finding something short and light amid the chaos and anger that grip our Nation and our world. Eventually, I turned away from the keyboard; and in an almost ludicrous moment of serendipity, I glanced at the bookcase and spied my old copy of the Bible.

Feeling not a little sheepish at how long it had been since the last time I had even cracked the spine of the Good Book, I began leafing through for suitable Christmas inspiration. As visions of holiday cheer danced in my head, I turned to the most Christmasy passage I could think of: Luke 2:10-14.

And the angel said unto them, “Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign to you; You shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.” And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.”

I read it twice. And it occurred to me: I can’t say it any better than that; no one can.

Merry Christmas, and may God bless you in the coming year.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • independant thinker

    Thank you Ben for a most timely and appropriate passage from the Good Book. I wish you, Mr. Livingston, and the rest of the staff at PLD a very Merry Christmas. And, to my fellow posters here I also wish you a Merry Christmas.

    • http://BACKTOSCHOOLWITHGOD JGM

      BACK TO SCHOOL WITH “GOD” !!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Amen to that JGM, He can protect our children even better then we can. God Bless, Merry Christmas to all and have a God filled New Year, even to those who hate me and my God.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “BACK TO SCHOOL WITH “GOD” !!!”

        Aren’t you glad those kids from Newtown are with your god now? Wouldn’t he have protected them if he didn’t want them with him?

        Rob

      • vicki

        May God forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

        http://www.biblebc.com/ask_a_question/corresponding_with_a_bitter_man.htm

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        TRIVIA: CHRISTMAS STARTED IN 400CE
        Rome adopted Christianity around 300CE. The convergence from the Pagan religions to Christianity included inventing Christian Holidays to coincide with Pagan holidays. Christmas was one of these inventions. At first, both holidays were celebrated as one to avert war and civil unrest. The church had Christmas mass and the Saturnalia was celebrated at home.
        With the invention of a God man Jesus came the religious invention of his birth day. Because there is no record of his birth day in the two different stories in Mathew and Luke it was decided that the Pagan day of December 25 would be used to over shadow the Pagan Dec. 25 holiday.
        With time the church religion through sheer force, violence, threats and death, pushed out the Pagan holidays all together leaving only the Christian holidays. The term “pagan” was adopted to mean “godless” or “heathen” by the Christians and of course they had to convert or be exterminated.
        Not that marry of a Christmas for the peace loving pagans of past or present of their winter solstice holiday “Sol Invictus” “Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun,” on darkest day of December 25.

      • 45caliber

        Rob:

        God isn’t allowed into our schools any more so he couldn’t do anything about the CT school. Sorry. It’s people like you who have forced him out.

      • Combat seabee

        Dear God,
        Why do you allow such violence in our schools?
        Signed,
        A concerned student

        Concerned Student,
        I’m not allowed in schools.

        Signed,
        GOD!!!!

      • JeffH

        Combat seabee, two thumbs up! :)

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Benjamin Fox,”

        WE ATHEISTS WANT YOU CHRISTIANS TO ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAY WITH YOUR FAMILIES WITH BEST WISHES.

        THINGS WILL BE BACK-TO-NORMAL ON TOMORROW.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber” AND “Robert Smith,”

        FIRST, “45caliber” – YULETIDE GREETINGS, SIR; BEST WISHES FOR 2013.

        NOW, “45caliber” AND “Robert Smith” [Happy Holidays, "Mr. Smith"] – I REMEMBER READING SOMETHING IN The Bible WHICH SAID [sic], ” A child who is disobedient to his parents will have shortened days.”

        SO “45caliber,” SIR, HOW CAN YOU TELL “Mr. Smith” IT IS PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO FORCED “god” FROM SCHOOLS? WE KNOW NOTHING OF THE NEWTON CHILDREN’S PERSONAL LIVES WITH THEIR PARENTS.

      • John J.

        SK1951, you are perfectly describing the Roman Catholic Church. However, you are mistaken about one thing. Catholic is not now, nor ever has been, Christian which is why the Vatican murdered over 50 million Christians in the Spanish Inquisition for having Bibles or parts of Bibles. The Vatican also had true Christians murdered in the Crusades. Today, the murdering isn’t done openly and the preferred method of conquest is through infiltration. Roman Catholicism, like all other false religions, is good works and membership based. Satan always has his counterfeits and Roman Catholicism is probably the biggest counterfeit Christian organization there is.

      • Vicki

        CAH writes:
        “SO “45caliber,” SIR, HOW CAN YOU TELL “Mr. Smith” IT IS PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO FORCED “god” FROM SCHOOLS? WE KNOW NOTHING OF THE NEWTON CHILDREN’S PERSONAL LIVES WITH THEIR PARENTS.”

        We don’t know much of the personal lives of the parents or children but we DO know who forced God from the public schools.

        School Zones. Godless and Gun Free.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,” HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

        Madelyn Murray-O’Hair IS DEAD!

        Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR) AND HIS “ILK” NEED TO KNOW PRAYER IN SCHOOLS WILL NEVER RETURN. WE LIVE IN AN AGE OF GRANDPARENTS WHO ARE IN THEIR THIRTIES. SCHOOL IS A TEMPORARY PLAYGROUND DESIGNED FOR MANY WHO ARE WAITING FOR THE GOVERNMENT-MANDATED “CUT-OFF” AGE OF SEVENTEEN.

        SO, “Vicki,” HOW CAN A CHILD PRAY WHEN “GRANDMA” IS WEARING MINI-SKIRTS AND STILETTOS?

      • Gordon

        Robert Smith: Your comment proves that YOU sir are one sick individual, and that you are part of the problem, not part of any answer.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        John: Thanks for your corrections and understanding of the issues I am attempting to bring to light.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Gordon: Robert comment: Ignorance on both sides does not truth make.

      • deerinwater

        Open prayer in a government funded school has been restricted , not God.

        If your God is as you wish to believe , God should be with you always, no matter where you go or how long you are gone.

        If God is not with you, ~ that is your problem, a problem that you are attempting lay onto someone else in a feeble attempt to hide your on personal failures and efforts in understanding and practicing Christianity and teaching it at home and church to your children.

        Are you attempting to tell us that your God does not exist unless you pray inside every 8 hour period of time? That seems to be what you are saying.

        ” I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

        Has this pledge been removed from schools?

        “The Nebraska Board of Education on Friday unanimously voted to approve a rule change that will make it mandatory for the state’s public schools to set aside time daily for the Pledge of Allegiance.”

        Condensing a whole lot of history and legal wrangling for readers;

        ” On November 12, 2010, in a unanimous decision,[39] the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston affirmed a ruling by a New Hampshire lower federal court which found that the pledge’s reference to God doesn’t violate students’ rights.[40] A United States Supreme Court appeal of this decision was denied on June 13, 2011.[41][42]
        About one-half of the states require the pledge as part of the school day and several others recommend it”

        So just how many gallon of Holy Water does school children need in a 8 hour period? Are they being offered that much at home? I seriously doubt it.

  • Harold Olsen

    Right now, I’m at work and I just logged onto my laptop. As I’m reading this I’m listening to “A Christmas Carol” from1938 from “Campbell’s Playhouse,” starring Orson Welles and his Mercury Theatre Group. He began this with the above Bible passage, but started a few verses earlier. When I was growing up, we used to have a Christmas show at school and that Bible passage, known as the “Christmas Story” was recited each year. These days it is forbidden. It’s a Bible passage I try to make a point of reading each Christmas. Merry Christmas all!

    • Robert Smith

      RadioClassics are great on the open road.

      Spice and Playboy are also entertaining.

      Playboy particularly does interviews with folks like Jessie Ventura that you just don’t hear anywhere else.

      Howard Stern does some great stuff too.

      Rob

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        IN A MINUTE, “Robert Smith,” THEY WILL CALL YOU “Mr. Scrooge.”

    • JANET MARSH

      THATS WHATS WRONG WITH THE WORLD TODAY THEY TOOK THE BIBLE OUT OF SCHOOL. IT GAVE VALUE TO THINGS AND UNDERSTANDING TO HOW TO TREAT EVERYONE WITH VALUES AND LOVE. WE NEED TO BRING THE BIBLE BACK TO THE SCHOOLS CAUSE ITS THE MOST CRUCIAL TIMES IN A CHILDS LEARNING. THINGS WERE BRTTER WHEN WE HAD A MORNING DEVOTIONALS,

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Harold, the same people who kicked God out of school are the first idiots to ask where He was when these children died, they need to look in the mirror and ask their god self to forgive them, since they think they are gods.

  • Karolyn

    Even though I don’t like your facial hair, Ben, I still wish you a wonderful Christmas. Why not try fostering peace instead of fear in 2013?

    • DaveH

      Why not keep your hands out of other peoples’ pockets and quit trying to control their personal choices, Karolyn? Maybe then we can have some of that Peace.

      • Karolyn

        Dave – Your conservative friends are the ones trying to control people’s personal choices, not me at all. I totally believe in live and let live.

      • Karolyn

        PS – Peace and love have nothing to do with money, Dave.

      • DaveH

        Then you know nothing about real Conservatives, Karolyn. You are confusing Conservatives with NeoConservatives who are a class of Progressives.
        Your Liberal Progressives (which you promote) indeed try to control personal choices from choice of lightbulb to choice of healthcare (and many other personal choices).
        And you can live in denial all you want, Karolyn, but Property (money is property) and Personal Choices have everything to do Peace and Love. We can have neither while some people are usurping the basic rights of others.

        I have come to the conclusion that you are almost devoid of introspection, Karolyn. Contrary to what your Magic Mirror tells you, you are definitely not the fairest of them all.

      • jannyp

        DaveH, Please don’t upset yourself with the likes of Karolyn, eddie47d, flashman etc. I have been a follower of PL for a long time and though I don’t believe in passing judgement on other’s as they PRETEND NOT TO, their hypocracy is transparent. They have no meaningful insight here.
        Why not completely ignore them as I have done? You have better use of your time. Why they continue to post here other than to stir up the pot, is beyond imagination. Rise above it, my good man. Please enjoy the true meaning of Christmas and peace be with you. Thanks again, Ben for choosing this passage.

      • Robert Smith

        Let’s hear it from DaveH: “indeed try to control personal choices from choice of lightbulb to choice of healthcare (and many other personal choices).”

        Really???? You can still buy the healthcare you want Dave.

        BTW, “control” is a relative thing. Have you ever tried to sort out the “in plan” thing in today’s insurance business? What a mess, and one still doesn’t really have a choice who is going to be their doctor.

        Light bulbs! The CFLs are a great interum step to the LEDs of the future. We MUST get off the old tungston bulbs. In addition to the phosphores they have on the inside that are toxic the fuel (coal) releases several times as much mercury to the air as CFLs use in their manufacturing. Further, because of the reduced electricity there is far less mercury released into the air.

        I don’t think it’s your “right” to poison others because of the bulb you want to screw in.

        For some real, not the hysterical right wing variety, information about CFLs please go to: http://www.energystar.gov/…/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf

        BTW, my christmas lights are LEDs.

        Rob

      • vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “Dave – Your conservative friends are the ones trying to control people’s personal choices, not me at all.”

        For our edification name (with specifics) which personal choices you think conservatives are trying to control. Just 3 will do for a start. Or even 1.

        Karolyn: “I totally believe in live and let live.”

        Yet you have time and again supported government taking money from others for your pet projects.

      • vicki

        jannyp says:
        “They have no meaningful insight here.
        Why not completely ignore them as I have done?”

        Because there are others who read here and might be taken in by their rhetoric. We speak out that others may see another point of view and, as in any debate, be able to form wiser opinions.

      • vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        December 25, 2012 at 2:21 pm

        Let’s hear it from DaveH: “indeed try to control personal choices from choice of lightbulb to choice of healthcare (and many other personal choices).”

        Really???? You can still buy the healthcare you want Dave.”

        Personal choice includes the RIGHT to NOT buy healthcare without being penalized by government.

        Robert Smith writes: “BTW, my christmas lights are LEDs.”

        Good choice. Most of my gifts to family this year were LED bulbs to replace the CFLs they currently use. Oh and there are other dangers with CFL use besides when they break. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/cfl-bulbs-conserve-energy-but-are-they-dangerous/

      • Vicki

        BTW Robert Smith. Your link doesn’t seem to work for me. Do you have an alternate link?

      • Karolyn

        Well, maybe it is neo-cons, Dave. I don’t care what they are because i hate labels really. All I know is that there are people purporting to be conservatives who post here who are pro drug war, anti-abortion and anti-gay, which I believe fit into the personal freedoms category. I have repeatedly supported other personal freedoms. You only choose to take from my posts what suits your agenda.

      • Karolyn

        Yes, Vicki, I believe the government should help to insure the general welfare by supporting nonprofit organizations that work to try to help people, thereby making it a better world. Without government funding, many worthy nonprofits would not be able to provide the services they provide. Without them, there would be more crime, more poverty and less assistance to those who truly need it. I am most certainly not for all programs the gov. supports.

      • JeffH

        AS usual Karolyn’s hypocricy preceeds her…she hates(clearly liberal speak) labels yet freely critisizes “coservatives”.

        Yes Karolyn, although you won’t admit you’re a hypocrit, your “hate” and “labeling” give you up.

      • Karolyn

        PS, janny – Are you saying that we are stirring the pot of devisiveness by disagreeing with others’s beliefs and opinions? That’s rather narrow; don’t you think?

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – The people I speak of label themselves “conservative.”

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, you are a liar! Oh BTW…excuses are for losers!

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “Yes, Vicki, I believe the government should help to insure the general welfare by supporting nonprofit organizations that work to try to help people, thereby making it a better world.”

        Thank you for admitting that you freely support taking money (at gunpoint) from people to give to your favorite nonprofit organizations. How is this different from armed robbery again?

        Karolyn: “Without government funding, many worthy nonprofits would not be able to provide the services they provide.”

        Explains why profit organizations can pay their employees so much better and those employees have more wealth that they can, of their own free choice, donate to their pet causes. http://www.newsmax.com/ThomasSowell/Conservatives-Donate-Liberals-compassion/2012/09/10/id/451295

        You seem upset that they are not donating to your (failed) pet causes.

        Karolyn: “Without them, there would be more crime, more poverty and less assistance to those who truly need it.”

        Good for promoting fear (of increased crime and poverty) though. Oh and when were you going to take the advice you gave Ben?

      • Gordon

        Karolyn, you are such a ……. hypocrite.

    • Flashy

      Happy Winter Festival season everyone ! Hope y’all enjoy the festival events, celebrations and observances in your area !

      • momo

        Just can’t bring yourself tosay Merry Christmas, can you flashman?

      • Flashy

        Momo…from Hanukkah through to New Year Day, we have Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, Festivus, XMas, Boxing Day, Kwannza and New Year’s. That is three weeks of holidays, every one a different holiday for different peoples. It is a Winter Festival season building in the last week culminating in New Year Day.

        Now if you look at the above list of “holidays”, the one with the most tenuous grasp is XMas. Generally acknowledged of not being JCs birth day (now settled as Springtime), it came into being when the Pope decided to usurp pagan winter festivals surrounding the solstice. Heck, the Puritans outlawed XMas as it was blasphemous.

        I thought taking the christian holiday and sending out greetings was appropriate and non controversial. Obviously the hate, fear and ignorance of some cannot accept the idea that people aren’t out to get them.

        In any event…enjoy the rest of your Winter Festival season !

      • Merry Christmas

        Merry Christmas!
        Just remember Jesus is the reason for the season. He came into this world once before, and He’s coming back again.

      • DaveH

        Flashman, being his usual dishonest self, says — “I thought taking the christian holiday and sending out greetings was appropriate and non controversial”.

        No, Flashman, in your usual inimitable fashion, you are simply trying to stir the pot.

      • eddie47d

        You stir the pot everyday too Dave so what is really your point. Now head to the kitchen and eat a POT of Christmas porridge!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “No, Flashman, in your usual inimitable fashion, you are simply trying to stir the pot.”

        My thoughts exactly you just beat me to the post DaveH.

      • jannyp

        Flashy, THREE PEAS IN A POD,. ” You, Karolyn and eddie47d.” You are the reason(s) we cannot expect world peace. Keep stirring the pot of divisivness!

      • Robert Smith

        Marry says: “He came into this world once before, and He’s coming back again.”

        Yup and then everyone dies but only his chosen get into their version of heaven.

        That’s my definition of a very brutal god.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        jannyp posted: “You, Karolyn and eddie47d.” ”

        I’m so sad… You left me out.

        BTW, how can you really consider a kid being born to be tortured to death something to celebrate? I don’t get it.

        Rob

      • 45caliber

        Actually, jannyp, the three you mentioned are perfectly willing to give you what you want … as long as you want what they tell you that you want and let them be in charge.

      • Merry Christmas

        Because John 3:16 says: “For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Thanks Flash man:
        TRIVIA: CHRISTMAS STARTED IN 400CE
        Rome adopted Christianity around 300CE. The convergence from the Pagan religions to Christianity included inventing Christian Holidays to coincide with Pagan holidays. Christmas was one of these inventions. At first, both holidays were celebrated as one to avert war and civil unrest. The church had Christmas mass and the Saturnalia was celebrated at home.
        With the invention of a God man Jesus came the religious invention of his birth day. Because there is no record of his birth day in the two different stories in Mathew and Luke it was decided that the Pagan day of December 25 would be used to over shadow the Pagan Dec. 25 holiday.
        With time the church religion through sheer force, violence, threats and death, pushed out the Pagan holidays all together leaving only the Christian holidays. The term “pagan” was adopted to mean “godless” or “heathen” by the Christians and of course they had to convert or be exterminated.
        Not that marry of a Christmas for the peace loving pagans of past or present of their winter solstice holiday “Sol Invictus” “Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun,” on darkest day of December 25.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “momo,”

        SAYING THE PHRASE, “Merry Christmas,” WOULD BE HYPOCRISY FOR ATHEISTS.

        AT Personal Liberty Digest, I AM UTILIZING “Yuletide Greetings” BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SENIORS HERE WHOM I CARE ABOUT; SO, I WANT TO RESPECT THEIR VALUES.

        IN MY REAL LIFE I SAY, “Happy Holidays.”

    • Mikey

      Ben’s job (as well as the other contributing authors to PLD) is to foster TRUTH, not fear. If you fear the truth, perhaps you should reconsider your position on the topics involved.

      • nc

        Mikey, you haven’t been paying attention here at PL! Their TRUTH is Fear! Read the columns! FEAR what’s coming! View the videos! Fear when they you show you only the negative with no mention that you are living in the greatest nation in the history of the world that got here and stayed here! Why ?? WE got here and stayed here without one true conservative!! Liberal progressives have their faults as do all folks BUT THEY HAVE NEVER LEAD US TO DEFEAT!! WE HAVE LEAD!! THE LIBERTERIANS JUST WISH THEY HAD!! THE REPUBLICANS HAVE JUMPED IN WITH THEIR TRICKLE DOWN POLICY SEVERAL TIMES AND EACH TIME THE BOTTOM HAS FALLEN OUT OF THE ECONOMY! THAT POLICY CANNOT SURVIVE WHEN BIG BUSINESS DECIDES TO POCKET THE TAXBREAKS AND SUBSIDIES AND DO THEIR BUSINESS OFF SHORE!
        WHEN “TRICKLE DOWN” STOPS IT TRICKLE BEFORE IT REACHES A POINT OF AIDING ALL TAXPAYERS( MIDDLE CLASS AND THE LESS PRIVLEGED) IT HAS BECOME A MISTAKE IN FISCAL POLICY WHEN ONLY THOSE PEOPLE SUFFER!!!!!! SEE 2007-2008

      • Vicki

        nc says:
        “Mikey, you haven’t been paying attention here at PL! Their TRUTH is Fear! Read the columns! FEAR what’s coming! View the videos!”

        Perhaps you should take your own advice and ACTUALLY read the columns. If they were wanting us to fear what is coming they would not bother to give us information including how to PREPARE. Now if YOU choose to fear especially fear rather than prepare then go ahead but please don’t tell us to fear.

        We prepare so that we don’t fear.

        nc: “Fear when they you show you only the negative with no mention that you are living in the greatest nation in the history of the world that got here and stayed here! ”

        As opposed to the “positive” liberal messages like this one?
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/paul-ryan-ad-wisconsin_n_1792380.html

      • Mikey

        nc, I am informed and prepared. Therefore, I have no need to fear. I know the logic of this escapes you, unlike the patriots who frequent this site.
        And as far as the economy goes, the tax and spend politicians (on both sides of the aisle), are what’s ruining this country. They and their puppet masters are killing the middle class by using big government as their tool of choice. I’m not sure why I would tell you this, many have before and you still don’t get it. I guess some people are simply unteachable.

      • Karolyn

        My, my Janny, aren’t we sensitive. I said nothing derogatory, rather I wished Ben a Merry Christmas and asked if he would work at promoting peace rather than disharmony and was subsequently attacked for it. Because I said something about his facial hair? Lighten up!

      • Vicki

        Karolyn. what you were called on was ” Why not try fostering peace instead of fear in 2013?” which is pretty much the same as saying “Karolyn. why not try talking to your spouse instead of screaming at him in 2013″.

        Both statements lead the reader to believe that the 2nd part is true.

    • eddie47d

      That’s the message I heard in church last night Karolyn to keep searching for peace in the world and in our personal lives. Continual fear keeps you on edge! Merry Christmas to all!

    • Bill

      Good Comments, DaveH
      We can always count on you to bring some common sense to the chaos

    • jannyp

      Karolyn, You can’t even give it a rest for one day out of the year? You had to again, inflect your
      personal views on another? What happened to peace and goodwill towards men on one of the most beautiful days of the year? I won’t allow you usual pettiness to distract from my day!
      Merry Christmas to ALL and thank you Ben, for your wisdom and insight. This is the most PERFECT message you could have chosen.

  • Willard Dunn

    It seams this is the only time of the year or at Easter that people open the Holy Bible. The rest of the time they forget it is there to guide us in are every day life. I feel sorry for the ones that reject Him. God sent his Son into the world to forgive them of their sins. This the most wonderful gift of all. There was a message on the front of a church’s message board years ago it said. “Attend church now and avoid the Christmas and Easter rush”.

    There was a little while ago I saw a picture of of the three cross’s on a hill. the caption on the bottom said “Don’t forget the middle man”
    So let us not forget that Jesus is the reason for the season.

    • Rickey

      Probably should look up the fact Christmas isn’t Jesus birthday. It was about the time of the feast of trumpets. We’re told animals still in feild which in December they aren’t. The other clues were inn was full great voyage for feast at that time would fill those inns. The pagan Xmas has been portrayed as Christian but I’m pretty sure it angers God. It’s tree adorning and offering gifts under tree which is out above us look at Jeremiah 10. Just like sungod day sabbath it’s also wrong named for pagan sungod but not my God. Saturday is sabbath many will be fooled from a lack if knowledge. Please seek the truth and you’ll be saved lying to children about satan claws gas nothing if God in it. Have a happy holiday but Xmas or holiday fits better all days belong to God almighty but there’s no scriptural significance of December 25 being birthday instead it offers a different time period but nothing exact. To follow a lie pagan one is far from true Godly things to lie about satan claws having power of Christ is worse to know who’s naughty and nice. Please make yourself knowledgeable and accountable from your own knowledge not the lies if devils and men.

      • Robert Smith

        Awwwww Rickey: “To follow a lie pagan one is far from true Godly ”

        Actually the winter holiday was STOLEN from those who celebrated before.

        They celbrated the days getting longer and the time to plant crops to be closer. Something REAL and worthy of celebration.

        Rob

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        It was the shortest darkest day that was reverenced. The “birth” of the new sun. But the religious still think life revolves around a mythological imaginary flying man in the sky and fully expect the rational mind to accept this. Sad really.

      • Vicki

        sk1951 says:
        “But the religious still think life revolves around a mythological imaginary flying man in the sky and fully expect the rational mind to accept this. Sad really.”

        As opposed to those who think that life revolves around a theoretical imaginary point in time ~13 billion years ago when nothing became everything in one impossibly small point in space. Directly violating the known laws of physics this point supposedly contained all the matter and energy in the universe yet it still somehow expanded into what we see as the known universe with all of the constants and relationships that govern everything.

        Sad really.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Vicki: Autogenesis whether by a man God or by Spirit (as I believe) or simply nature…yes…it was created by nothing. But nothing is now known to comprise over 95% of all we cannot see…but has mass and energy. It is what is forcing the Universe to expand faster. Well…this is getting into science and that does not fair well with the religious that are not interested in knowledge.

        From The Nag Hammadi: First lines first Book of the Egyptians:
        1. “The holy book of the Egyptians about the great invisible Spirit, the Father whose name cannot be uttered, he who came forth from the heights of the perfection, the light of the light of the aeons of light, the light of the silence of the providence the Father of the silence, the light of the word and the truth, the light of the incorruptions, the infinite light, the radiance from the aeons of light of the unrevealable, unmarked, ageless, unproclaimable Father, the aeon of the aeons, Autogenes, self-begotten, self-producing, alien, the really true aeon”.

        • Frank Kahn

          I am not certain you understand the quote in your post but I will leave that for another time.

          You state:
          “But nothing is now known to comprise over 95% of all we cannot see…but has mass and energy. It is what is forcing the Universe to expand faster. Well…this is getting into science and that does not fair well with the religious that are not interested in knowledge. ”

          Now, sk1951, there are some obvious errors in that quote from your post.

          First, there is a grammatical problem that is produced by the lack of commas. Are you saying that “nothing is known about what comprises 95% of the Universe” or “it is known that there is nothing in 95% of the Universe”?

          Since you make the fallacious statement that it has mass and energy, neither of those can be true.

          By the way I am religious and I am about to cut your science to ribbons.

          I was happy that you claimed a scientific basis to your statement, although it is wrongly stated and incorrect in its assertion.

          There is, in fact, a theory of something called dark matter, which is hypothesized as a contributing factor to the orbital mechanics observable in spiral galaxies. Now for these galaxies to exhibit their shape in a constant behavior, there needs to be some hidden gravitational source which keeps them in place. Otherwise, the extreme speeds necessary, for the stars on the outer rim of the galaxy (like our sun in the milky way) to traverse the distance required to orbit the center, would result in them breaking free from the gravitational pull of the center of the galaxy (something known as escape velocity).

          Now, while little is known about this mysterious dark matter, it is generally agreed that it is a high gravitational matter which instead of accelerating the expansion, would slow it down. What is currently being discussed is whether or not there is enough dark matter in the universe to make it a closed Universe (expanding and contracting) or an open universe (continual expansion). I will have to recheck my sources to see if the 95% you state is consistent with ratio of visible to dark matter for a closed universe.

          Oh, and by the way, everything that has mass has energy, but your statement was false because you said we dont know about it. And you are obviously wrong that religious people have no use for science, and that we dont seek knowledge.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            No Frank I don’t claim to be a professional writer and with out spell check I would be lost. I don’t spend a lot of time attempting to perfect and edit each of my posts. I don’t aspire to be a great writer or theologian or the worlds best at anything. I just want to be left alone and at peace with the world but this will not happen in my life time. I also do not hold any degrees. I am an armature in many subjects but then every subject is open to interpretation and further study. Aside from my ignorance that I share with every human that does not suffer from a narcissistic critical mass ego…learning of the unseen truths and the seen of matter will never end. Each day a new paradoxical questions arise. Each answer only exploding into more questions. But the one thing I do know more than anything else is that religion has been the most horrific abomination that human kind has suffered in recorded history. You puff up your chest and are proud of the fact that you support this abomination and this I find sad and disturbing. Real truth has no chance standing up against religious delusional beliefs. You may enjoy this dark matter or “nothing” and autogenesis vid. I found it very interesting. You may want to check up on the latest Collider news on the “god particle” the Higgs Boson that is creating something from nothing and may even produce a new tiny Universe.

            How the Universe came from “Nothing”, Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXGyesfHzew

      • Vicki

        sk1951 says:
        “But nothing is now known to comprise over 95% of all we cannot see…but has mass and energy.”

        Improper use of “nothing”.

        That which is THOUGHT to comprise over 95% of all we cannot see has a name.

        sk1951: ” Well…this is getting into science and that does not fair well with the religious that are not interested in knowledge.”

        Poorly concealed ad hominem.

        Lets actually go there and learn the name of this beast.

        http://science_nasa_gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

      • Vicki

        In the above link I replaced the “.” between science and nasa and gov with “_” so that the system would let me post the comment. Bob Livingston may know why it was not allowed before.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        My use of nothing was proper in its context. I was not referring to dense black hole dark matter. I was speaking of the theoretical “nothing” or none existence of anything becoming something nothing. It makes no sense to apply logic and reason to this topic. This is the world of Spirit.

        • Frank Kahn

          First of all, dark matter and black holes are two different things, there might be dark matter in black holes but black holes are not the containers that are theorized.

          You are attempting to argue the non (not none) existence of something that exists. It is the exact same argument as God. If nothing exists, then God (Spirit) does not exist. You cannot have it both ways. It is a conceptual paradox which cannot be resolved using the terms exist or non existence. The word NOTHING represents a superlative meaning that there is a lack of anything.

          You are talking about God, you just give it another name.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            You don’t get it. I can only reiterate what I already said…logic will fail in understanding the two nothings. And since no man has nor will he ever answer this question it is illogical for you to attempt to explain to me the answer. This illogical nature opens the door for religion and delusional beliefs that you have chosen to adopt. I have no more theory to share with you. I wish I did but it is just dog flogging at this point. Thanks Frank. If you need to win…OK…you win.

          • Frank Kahn

            I am not trying to win anything, I am trying to get it straight. What you talk about is a riddle. I have even taken your suggestions on gathering information. The so called god particle is not god, it is a misnomer. The theory behind its existence and its effects on the universe are quite complex. Understanding is minimal at best, we will never know the unknowable. They make a strange statement that sort of goes along with you nothing statement but they are taking energy out of the equation. The boson binds (in effect) energy into matter giving it mass.

            The something out of nothing is very deceptive, it really does not pose anything as nothing and they use the mystery of it to debunk religion. I will assume it was that message you wanted me to hear.

            You said, to deer, that you have native American (whatever that is) heritage. You spoke of your Hopi religion / belief in a way that is somewhat reminiscent of the Gaea concept. However your belief seems to attribute it to father earth instead of mother earth.

            I am seeking understanding of your views and beliefs, I have only corrected you when you appeared to not understand my terms.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Willard Dunn,”

      YOU TYPED 25 DECEMBER AND EASTER ARE THE ONLY TIMES PEOPLE OPEN THEIR Bibles.

      SO, “Mr. Dunn,” WHEN IT IS JULY AND Personal Libertarians ARE DISCUSSING A POLITICAL ISSUE WITH RELIGIOUS INJECTIONS, WHY ARE THE PEOPLE OF PIETY AVOIDING THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIDICULE THOSE SO-CALLED “Bible-Thumpers” [CONSERVATIVES], WHO DO NOT SEEM TO PRACTICE THEIR FAITH EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR?

  • Nobody’s Fool

    Ben, thank you for using the story of Jesus’ birth for your column today. I pray that in 2013 you will dust off that old Bible and become very familiar with the wisdome therein. Maybe even Karolyn and the other commies that skulk on this site will be exposed to the Word and learn a little something. Merry Christmas.

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      “No one hates the truth more than the faithful.”

      “If a loving God truly existed…hell truly would not.”

      http://sk1951.wordpress.com/

      • Karolyn

        Absolutely! God has no need for punishment because people exercise the free will he gave them. Just watched a show on the lost books of the Bible, and in some hell is discredited; however, the Council of Nicea would certainly not allow that in the final edition because they felt they would have lost control. The only reason for hell is to keep people in line, even though everyone has the truth in him and knows right from wrong. They goofed! Fear of punishment cannot make people behave!

        • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

          To me…the sadist thing is that the most powerful of all things is love. Love is the true creator of all things. Yet the church did not trust love enough and decided to rule through fear persecution and murder. This was not and continues to not be correct. Even with thousands of empirical testing the church will not capitulate to love…even thought that is what it professes. Twisted…faith.

      • Karolyn

        No, the church only trusted fear, and many still do.

  • FreedomFighter

    Merry Christmas

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

    Thanks Ben …. perhaps you should spend a little more quality time with this timeless piece of literature that so many people profess to know what is said but never read it….It is book replete with history ,prophecy and instruction…. My own personal interest sends me to King Solomon who was a lover of women as well as a proponent of wisdom through suplication before the eternal…. he never attended church or watched Joel Osteen or Pat Robinson ,he just went before the eternal,aka All Mighty God and asked to be made smart or in other words possess wisdom…The King starts his book with a very profound statement ….” All is vanity” or every thing we do and say has its roots in vanity…

    • http://www.facebook.com/zalman.shalom.5 Zalman Shalom

      Teddy, as a devote Jew (Jesus also was a devote Jew) King Solomon observed and prayed at a Synagogue. Christianity didn’t really arrive until 200 years after Jesus’ death.That said, a Blessed Christmas(may God deliever another miracle on us soon) and peace in the New Year.

      • Charlie

        Zalman,,, King Jesus is a blood line Jew , from the Tribe of Judah , are you a blood line Jew?

    • http://www.facebook.com/zalman.shalom.5 Zalman Shalom

      Teddy, having lived in Israel for a while,my Hebrew name is Zalman. Shalom means Peace of course(and also hello and good bye). Believe it or not I was a shepherd on a Kibbutz for a few months. The sheep were for milk(5% milk fat) used to make yogurt. I was in charge of 1000 sheep, taking them into the field in the morning,bringing them home at night and milking them for the milk that was sold to the companies who produced the yogurt.There were no sheepdogs only me. I watched over 200 lambs being born.

  • hipshotpercusion

    “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!” Kay Kaiser and his Orchestra

    • http://www.facebook.com/zalman.shalom.5 Zalman Shalom

      hipshot do you know where that expression comes from? I’ll tell you. During the American Revolution the Continental Army ran out of paper for its cartridges. The soldiers started using pages from the Bible.

      • Bill

        Hi Zalman,
        You are just a wealth of information. Welcome to this post

      • Bill

        Hi Zalman,
        my family is a mixture of many religions. We celebrate Chanumas

      • jannyp

        Zalman, Yes, welcome. Your posts are beautifully written, like a breath of fresh air. I am looking forward to your posts. Welcome, indeed!

    • Robert Smith

      hipshot says:
      “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition” is an American patriotic song written by Frank Loesser and published as sheet music in 1942 by Famous Music Corp. The song was a response to the attack on Pearl Harbor that marked United States involvement in World War II.

      The song describes a chaplain (“sky pilot”) being with some fighting men who are under attack from an enemy. He is asked to say a prayer for the men who were engaged in firing at the oncoming planes. The chaplain puts down his Bible, mans one of the ship’s gun turrets and begins firing back, saying, “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”.

      From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

      Rob

  • hipshotpercusion

    Mary Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

  • Paul Wells

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Thanks Ben, for the wise Biblical selection!

  • “Homer”

    Amen, he got it right…”Glory to God in the Highest” that part of the verse is removed in all other newer, modern, easier reading, more clearly spoken, more updated etc (w/scarcasm) versions and they leave “Glory to God” OUT!! If it isn;t KJV…It just isn’t bible!! NEED PROOF….ask me!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/ray.davis.37017794 Ray Davis

      Homer, you are so right. When I prepare for a Sunday School class, I use the KJV, the RSV, and the NIV. All three have the Christmas story pretty much the same, and all three give credit to God. When a new “Bible” comes out, I read where the information came from. It they say it came from original scripture (There are really no original scriptures any more, as when the scribes penned copies, they then burned the older copies. Sad but true), I will look at it. However if the source pages say it has been “translated” to make it more understandable or politically correct, I do not see this as a Bible, but a novel and treat it as such.

      The Christmas story is one of the most favorite the Bible has. It only proves that scripture, no matter how far back it was written, it true. Many have tried to discredit scripture, however all fail when they look at the whole Bible rather than taking things out of context. I prefer to let God make His message clear to all in His time.

      Ray

      • independent thinker

        Ray, both the RSV and the NIV Bibles were published to make the Bible more understandable. I do agree you should look for translations that use the oldest available sources.

        Also be careful with blanket statements such as “… as when the scribes penned copies, they then burned the older copies. Sad but true.” because they did not always do that. Many times the copies were made for passing to others so if the originals were burned the scribes would be without a copy for themselves.

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      The KJV has to be the absolute worst of all translations. Try the Vulgate translation in Knox

  • Dale Penn

    I am so thankful that you were willing to quote Scripture in your Christmas message, and not worried what some will think or say. After all, Jesus is the “Reason for the Season”! Keep up the good and information flow, and I wish you and your family s Very Merry Christmas.

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      The real reason was to crush the pagans.

      • Anotherworldview

        Is that something good or bad?

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        *s* I assume it would depend on point of view and how delusional your belief system is.

      • Anotherworldview

        Is there only a relative good, one according to each human being? Careful: a “point of view” is giving always only a narrow prospective on any subject (after all, it’s just a “point”)

        We all live by beliefs too, not only by certainties, which means that each one of us has a belief system. I agree that a belief system can be delusional. That happens when it is narrowed to our individual “point of view”, disregarding other people’s belief systems. It becomes worse when a multitude of people have the same belief system that is delusional. As human beings of the 21st century, we have the privilege to look back in history and observe which belief system was delusional and which one was true.

        I found that believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of God and the Son of Man (and thus a birthday can be celebrated each year) is the belief that is according to God’s world view, described in the Bible, and thus can not be delusional. The fact that God is always true is making us mad (pride and prejudice is leading us to such a feeling) and thus we try to dismiss Him from our belief system. The result is the belief system that the human being is god. And since we are about 7 billions alive today, there are exact the same number of gods in this world. Don’t you think this belief system is delusional?

        • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

          I believe that by its very definition any belief is self-induced delusion. It is the actions of the deluded that make if benign or violent. I adopted your theory many years ago about the number of gods and religions. That in itself makes the whole belief thing ludicrous and very delusional.

          “In the world of convoluted there can stand no challenger to religion.“

          “Belief is not knowing. However, you cannot “not know” if you believe.”
          Sk1951

  • http://yahoo Charles

    The prudent see danger……… With that said merry Christmas and GOD blees each and everyone!!!!!!!!!!!! Charlie

    • Chester

      Charles, only the paranoid see danger behind every bush. The truly prudent don’t look for danger, but prepare as if something bad COULD happen. Only those with no other choice live life as if nothing bad is ever going to happen, although it seems Christ pretty much taught that lesson. Believe in Him and let HIM worry about the rest. Merry Christmas to all and I wish each and every one a happy and prosperous new year.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zalman.shalom.5 Zalman Shalom

        Yay though I walk through the Valley of the shadow of Death I will fear no evil. (For I know I’m the meanest son of a gun in the Valley-couldn’t resist).

  • mattzweck

    Have a merry Christmas and glory to God in the highest and lord oh and happy birthday Jesus our lord & savior. Have a good Christmas Ben and well said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ray.davis.37017794 Ray Davis

    Each Christmas I reflect back well over 60 years ago, in a little town in Morgan County Georgia, when mom asked me to recite the Christmas story as found in Luke. I was only 8 at the time, and I was more than a little nervous in that small church on a cold snowy Christmas morn. Ever since that day, I do not remember much about the church, but I remember the message. I wonder how God caused His only Son to be born in the lowliest of lowlies. Even a feed box for cattle. The Shepherds left their flocks and hurried to that feed box and praised the Lord for making scripture penned over 500 years earlier, to come to pass. So at this season, I strongly encourage everyone to put aside the cares and problems of today just for the day, and consider just what that birth means.

    God Bless

    Ray
    Alachua, FL

  • Bill

    Thanks, Ben
    And a Merry Christmas to you too

  • deerinwater

    Excellent lead out for this day Mr. Crystal. Mr. Livingston choose wisely. Your liberal arts degree was money well spent and no apology required.

    I “work” to keep such words, thoughts and feeling all year, carry a little Christmas with me everyday. ~ I practice~! Christianity is 99% application, finding it helps avoid being so “overwhelmed” , not just with days like today but everyday. It becomes less work and easier to do with constant practice.

    Blessed are the caregivers and peacemakers

    Deerinwater

  • Dragon

    How about you guys get lost! So Obama can realy accomplish something.

    • Bill

      Baa HumBug

    • Norsesoutheastwest

      When the accomplishments Obama want are the destruction of the country and the Constitution, I’ll take gridlock any day instead!

    • Willard Dunn

      Dragon you are the one that is lost. We are going to pray for you that God finds you so for how I wish you a very merry Christmas.

    • Charlie

      Dragon,,, The Title to The Earth was taken at The Cross,,,can Obama hide from King Jesus Christ ??? Meanwhile………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

    • Combat seabee

      The only thing dragon about you, is your intellect!

  • Barbara Ann

    Merry Christmas and thank you for sharing joy all through the year

  • Rickey

    Probably should look up the fact Christmas isn’t Jesus birthday. It was about the time of the feast of trumpets. We’re told animals still in feild which in December they aren’t. The other clues were inn was full great voyage for feast at that time would fill those inns. The pagan Xmas has been portrayed as Christian but I’m pretty sure it angers God. It’s tree adorning and offering gifts under tree which is out above us look at Jeremiah 10. Just like sungod day sabbath it’s also wrong named for pagan sungod but not my God. Saturday is sabbath many will be fooled from a lack if knowledge. Please seek the truth and you’ll be saved lying to children about satan claws gas nothing if God in it. Have a happy holiday but Xmas or holiday fits better all days belong to God almighty but there’s no scriptural significance of December 25 being birthday instead it offers a different time period but nothing exact. To follow a lie pagan one is far from true Godly things to lie about satan claws having power of Christ is worse to know who’s naughty and nice. Please make yourself knowledgeable and accountable from your own knowledge not the lies if devils and men.

  • Lawrence

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUE MESSAGE OF THE BIRTH OF CHRIST. tHE BIBLE DOES’NT SINGLE OUT A SPECIAL DAY WHEN CHRIST WAS BORN,BUT IT ONLY MATTERS THAT HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN WHO WAS IMPREGNATED BY GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKING HIM VERY GOD. aLLELUJIA![SP.]

  • Charlie

    Ben, You did a great job on the Scripture selection for The Celebration of The Birthday of The American Militia Leader , King of kings , Lord of lords, King Jesus Christ…

    Now, you need to plan on a follow up video Sermon on Luke 22:36 , because, The Prince of Peace is also a “”Warrior” , see Matthew 10:34 for that right from the mouth of King Jesus Himself… King Jesus Christ is also a perfect Lawyer , see His perfect Law Case at John 8 and perfect Law at Psalm 19:7…

    America is at war , right now! with the anti-Christ forces of darkness, these Forces are being led by the same power that Paul names at Ephesians 2:2 , the Satanic powers that be,,,BUT,,,the Devil and his group have already been beaten at The Cross by The Power of The Almighty God through His Son , King Jesus Christ,,,BUT,,,you MUST claim and proclaim that Victory in King Jesus with obedience to Acts 2:38 spoken by Peter because of what King Jesus said at Matthew 16:19 and what Peter said at 1 Peter 3:21 …

    Merry Christmas to all and thanks for allowing Me to communicate with you…

    Charlie Freedom

    • Frank Kahn

      TeeHeeHeee

      • Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,you’ve been noticed …ha ha ha ha ha… Meanwhile………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • JeffH

    To Mr. Livingston, the staff at PLD and all of my Constitutional Repuplic, freedom and liberty loving patriotic friends I would like to extend a heartfelt MERRY CHRISTMAS and a warm THANK YOU. Keep doing what you’re doing, stand fast and stay strong in your beliefs and convictions and keep up the good fight against tyranny for your GOD & your COUNTRY!

    MERRY CHRITMAS to all of you!

    • Bill

      JeffH
      I second that, Jeff. Thanks Bob and all of your group

  • Scott Mathis

    Hello and Merry Christmas you are absolutely right you could have never said better or added any valueTo our LORDS awesome words. Best wishes to you and thanks for
    Bringing the truth every day. Just a suggestion going forward or possibly an encouragement. Put the BOOK in a place close to you where you can open it
    And read a little each day. Your a business man and a great daily devotional for
    Business people is TGIF.org it stands for today GOD is first and Os Hillman each day gives a great short and sweet start to your day about what is really important. It has been a great blessing to me for years. Wish you the best for a great 2013. My name is Scotty Mathis and my number is 828-553-7868 if you would ever like to talk. Rock On, Scotty

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    As we celebrate by giving gifts, my mind goes to Christ’s gift to us. Readers on this website are interested in their times and what’s happening around them. Anyone knowledgeable in the Prophecies or at least feeling in their body and soul that somethings got to give would have to wonder. The pieces of times puzzle are falling into place. Satan gets very active in his last days as prince of this world. The cloud of evil, Satan’s presence, becomes more pronounced. Nation will rise up against nation. Their will be wars and rumors of wars. Economically, the worlds been consuming with a lust but not producing what it’s real needs. Christ is going to make an appearance to the believers. Believers will depart and not have to take part in the coming carnage brought on by Satan. Christ will be seated on his throne to rule the world, reigning with his people. Satan will make his presence for another 1,000 years. Yes, the lion will feed with the lamb. At the end of the 1,000 years creation as we know it will be destroyed and replaced with a glorious one, one where true liberty will be the rule. Satan and those who chose to stay with him will be cast into the lake of fire to burn throughout all eternity. His presence will never again be felt. It has been said people will not look for cure until they realize they are sick. This world is sick with sin and Christ is coming to bring us the cure. HIMSELF, His Christmas present. Because man was given the right to make choices, he is charged to choose between Christ and Satan. I don’t know neither does anybody else when Christ’s return will occur. According to the bible, He doesn’t know either. Common sense dictates a sane person will read and believe John 3:16. Common tells what the signs of the times is all about.

    • Charlie

      T C A,,, How does John 3:5 tie in with John 3:16? How does John 3:22,23 tie in with John 3:16???…Now for this “rapture” thing ,that’s called out at 1 Thessalonians 4:14—18
      it’s going to happen as Peter calls out at 2 Peter 3:10–13… The True Christians will be taken off Earth while God cleans and rebuilds Earth… Read! The Bible in harmony with The Bible, to arrive at “Truth”… Meanwhile…………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Deer Man: I was reading your post again and I really like it. You asked me “As far as “separated and not one and the same” I’m unclear about what you speak. While I would contend that there are many “manifestations” of spirit and that there are many spirits and all a part of a Singular.” In the next sentence was the answer.

        I was speaking of the verse where God claims his “Spirit” is in man. To me Spirit is of its own and separate as I would also believe a God would be. The power of a God and the power in man is one in the same. Spirit. But a man must choose his singularity. It must be activated in him with realization or he lives alone and apart from Spirit. Even though it is in him all the time. Yep…confuses me too! I just do my best to explain that we must each find our Spirit that is inside us to become one with it. An example may be the man women thing. You have to accept a women into your life to become one with her. This has nothing to do with me or a man made god and of course I may be totally out of my mind. It is all between each of us and our Spirit. That is the separation I was attempting to explain.

    • Karolyn

      Have you guys ever read the “forbidden” books of the Bible? The ones that Nicea would not include? I can’t remember all of them, but Enoch, Jubilees and the Gnostic Bible are included. There really is no hell. There is much contradiction in the Bible, especially when the forbidden books are taken into account.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Karolyn…you may also like following this theory:

        IN THE BEGINNING…THERE WAS ONLY SPIRIT:
        This from the Vulgate translation in Knox (I think Vulgate Knox written in 405 the best translation):
        Genesis 6:3But God said, This “spirit” of mine shall not endure in man forever…
        We see “God” speaking of the Spirit as an entity or power. They are separate and not one in the same. They are as one as we are as one with Spirit. But you can live and deny your Spirit as we see further on:

        From The Nag Hammadi: First lines first Book of the Egyptians:
        1. “The holy book of the Egyptians about the great invisible Spirit, the Father whose name cannot be uttered, he who came forth from the heights of the perfection, the light of the light of the aeons of light, the light of the silence of the providence the Father of the silence, the light of the word and the truth, the light of the incorruptions, the infinite light, the radiance from the aeons of light of the unrevealable, unmarked, ageless, unproclaimable Father, the aeon of the aeons, Autogenes, self-begotten, self-producing, alien, the really true aeon”.
        [In the first lines, there is no mention of God or anything other than “the great invisible Spirit”. The Spirit being called Father. Spirit power self-producing (Autogenes) its Spirit self. It also infers to other Gods then called Aeons.]

        2. Three powers came forth from him; they are the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son, from the living silence, what came forth from the incorruptible Father. These came forth from the silence of the unknown Father.
        [Is it possible that the one true Aeon or God was created by Spirit the Father of all things? The next line proclaims a linage from Spirit of three “POWERS” (not people). Thou they are talking of the living silence (Spirit power) they use the masculine inflection of Father and him and also infer gender to the other powers or Gods.]
        Nag Hammadi:
        “Jesus said, “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”

        How can anyone not find this discovery exciting? What could it be that Jesus calls “is within you”? I truly believe it is Spirit he is talking about in this parable. I’m working to bring forth what is in me…my Spirit. I have felt the pain of being destroyed without it; it’s like being the angry walking dead. But who am I to translate to fit my meaning? I have always felt that my learning is just for me and no one else? This is just what I get out of this parable to share. It rings as if, what is in you will destroy you but who can say what the original words meant before the translation. To me, I realize it is “not bring forth” that will destroy you. Destroy and kill are not synonymous in this parable I don’t believe because Jesus was speaking of Spirit not of life. It is my Spirit living…not my earthly life, that will be destroyed. But this is just what I think and feel. Everything is an individual’s interpretation or acceptance of someone else’s. I think it best to rely on your own.

        Spirit IS. And that is all there is. Man took Spirit and created gods and then gods in his image. Then wrote books of religion to enslave with fear and dogma, the people. Religion has blocked man from his Spirit claiming a god is in control of it…or that god is actually Spirit. This is a horrible misconception but I think it is just an outlandish lie. Spirit is in us and is the creator of everything. The molecular Universe is an image of Spirit. Eternal life is that we are all of the same dust that the Universe is made of and will return to be born again over and over. In that there is no death only eternal life. Spirit is one and is all. It is inside each of us the same. Realization and acceptance is all that is needed for Spirit to assist you in your living.

        Life is assured but your living is not. Living is being at one with Spirit otherwise you are just a life form as are all life forms. Joy, peace, harmony, love, intuitive thinking, inspirational enlightenment…these things and more come from joining with the Universal Intelligence that is Spirit.

        There are hints of this in the bible and Jesus spoke of it. The “Father” was not a god but Spirit. I will leave these examples but there are many more.
        The story of Nag Hammadi and more translations are found at this wonderful web page.
        http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/goseqypt.html

      • Karolyn

        Thanks, sk. I will definitely look into the site. I find it very unfortunate that so many refuse to even consider that there may be truth in other translations and interpretations. I had a friend who, I believe, stopped talking to me because I said I was no longer a Christian. She was the same one who instilled fear in me for reading alternate views. (Which, btw, was what turned me from Christianity.) I cannot believe in something that would have us turn from our own curious nature.

      • deerinwater

        “They are separate and not one in the same. They are as one as we are as one with Spirit. But you can live and deny your Spirit as we see further on:”

        Of course we can ! That is kinda where the rubber meets the road. ~ There are millions of people that have not yet reclaimed their divine spirit and some “appear” to manage rather well. ~While they were born with it, ~ while it is the physical world that people get lost in and so many lose touch with the spirit self.

        There are many words we can use to describe the “act” of surrendering to God.

        The “act of” willful surrender only offers “benefits” , Many people might enjoys these benefits IF they really understood what they were. We can sell “features” all day long but until a “buyer” understands the value and benefit of these “features” , it’s a tough sale.

        To live forever, sitting on a cloud, singing Gods praises and playing a harp has never been my idea of fun. ~ But if I were told that my life would be greatly enriched with love and abundance, it’s much more enticing to consider “surrendering” to the will of God.

        If I knew, that “fear” was something that I did not have to endure and that my “faith” would deliver me and see me though the worst of times, in my darkest hours ~ That is a “feature” I’d like to have.

        As far as “separated and not one and the same” I’m unclear about what you speak. While I would contend that there are many “manifestations” of spirit and that there are many spirits and all a part of a Singular.

        The process of subdividing and classifying is a characteristic of humankind for the purpose of rational thought and attempt to understand. ~~We do it! The smarter we get, the dumber we become it seems.

        I’d be interested in these omitted books, ~ but how can we know that they are genuine?

      • S.C.Murf

        Big K Merry Christmas. The books of Enoch and Jasher are 2 books that were left out because they give all of the names of the fallen angles and what exactly (their knowledge) they brought with them. Their knowledge included the art of makeup, jewelry, astrology, tattoo’s etc, all of the things God said were evil. We have been brainwashed and lied to for centuries, dig deep and search for the truth, it is out there.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Karolyn: You will find this most exciting. Tracing back knowledge and winsome we arrive at the Veda people. 5000 years ago (or more) they discovered mathematics and geometry. Einstein and Galileo studied the Vedic sciences. Their formulas are used today and there are some that have not yet been translated. The Veda’s envisioned our solar system, galaxy and the Universe. They went further to envision multiple Universes…5000 years ago! This wisdom was largely lost as was all other knowledge when the religious war of God vs. Knowledge started and all books and educators were murdered or burned. God religion is scarcely more than the worship of ignorance. Today… It is important to add a study of the Veda’s. These vid are a pretty good start.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maPAus_XnRc
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0c2vMFbPrw

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Deerinwater: Heart felt question…how do we know? Humans are the most curious and overtly sexual creatures on earth. In true and real fact, religion does everything it can to berate belittle and make sinful our very nature and being. It makes knowledge and leaning an abomination as of course it should to protect a factual belief in the metaphysical. The knowing is found in your heart. Is a mythical god…a flying man in the sky that lives in a floating crystal and gold castle that hates the true nature of man, what you are to follow? Or is it your contact with the Universal Spirit of Love that created all? Morality Love and Peace are inherently human through our Spirit. We have to answer your question individually and not as a rampaging angry mob.

        • Frank Kahn

          Pure nonsense

    • nc

      Christian, an all powerful “god” who created all of this and knows and “sees” all doesn’t know when he is going to pull the plug? He can conquer Satan but can’t keep the school boards from “keeping him out of schools”??? Do you know the mind of “god” well enough to know EVERYTIME what he approves of?? If you don’t know EVERYTIME how can you be sure ANYTIME to the point you can condemn something as being against “god’s will”?? Be carful that you don’t get caught in that ” judge not” clause! I understand that it is as bad as not loving your Muslem brothers!

      • Anotherworldview

        Even if you don’t know it (or deliberately ignore it), you live by believing things that you don’t know or perceive, don’t you, nc?

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        What I enjoy most about posts like this one is that it brings out all the God Apologists. They use to make me mad but now I find them most humorous. Just as long as I can see them coming with their cross held high and impalement poles!

      • Anotherworldview

        @sk1951: And your point is?…
        Just say it, instead of insinuating.

        • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

          Another…I have almost wrote a book in this string. What is it you want me to clarify?

    • deerinwater

      sk1951 says; ” . We have to answer your question individually and not as a rampaging angry mob.”

      Yes, sk1951, you are very correct ~It’s not a sales pitch. ~ we only need to hold our concerns with “self” , The knowledge is for self to know. ~ To enter this kingdom of knowledge requires great humility, (no ego, not proud ) one must walk by faith and not by sight, naked and unashamed. ~ which explains why so few arrive. Man finds it all but impossible to cope and contend in the physical world without self ego and hiding under an armor of clothing covering his insecurities.

      I enjoy such thoughts, ~ If ever we do understand what we truly are and what sustains us, all the pieces begin to come together and such a person will live a blessed life irregardless of many trials and tribulation or how long this life might be.

      And ~ Men do fly, ~ they fly like men and nothing like birds. Birds fly like birds.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Thank You my brother. Your words are kind sweet and deliberate. I assume you have native heritage as do I. I enjoy the wisdom of the Hopi. “Since time immemorial the Hopi people have lived in Hopituskwa and have maintained our sacred covenant with Maasaw, the ancient caretaker of the earth, to live as peaceful and humble farmers respectful of the land and its resources.” Does not get any better than that!

  • DaveH

    Take a train:
    http://www.openmyeyeslord.net/Train%20Ride.swf

    Merry Christmas.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Nice picks…Merry Christmas, Dave!

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Jay: My “intent” is pure education and enlightenment of Spirit. My goal is to see people come to an understanding of commonality. My dread is that this horrible world of religiosity will continue unabated through shear ignorance. I am glad that you did some research on the Quran. But from the very day it was written is was little more than a war plan for jihad and genocide and that has not been changed in the slightest. Mohammad studied with the true professionals of jihad…the Catholics. That is why he uses the Christian bible to base his Holy book on. I think the biggest point of separation in believers and those that choose to not believe that the metaphysical is reality is not about “Christianity” or Christian theory. There are few people that don’t believe in the 10 commandments. The greatest separation comes from the mythology in belief. It should not be that unreasonable for God believers to understand how unbelievable their belief truly is for rational minds. And as they say…it takes a stronger mind to believe the unbelievable, if this is true, should I truly be condemned for it? And is it possible that the religious do not fully understand what they believe in? I can see you are an intelligent passionate man. So I ask you what can be done to bridge the gap to come to an understanding to agree to disagree and carry on with our human kind to stop this horrible 2000 year old war? Or do you believe as the bible teaches that the gentile heathens must be assimilated into religion as the only answer (as the Muslims do)? This is a very serious question and in no way meant to inflame but by its very definition I am sure that it will. But I truly do not feel I should have to apologize for my belief in Spirit any more than you should have to apologize for your belief in God. Thanks for this opportunity to share.

        • Frank Kahn

          You make an interesting differentiation between Spirit and God. You speak about metaphysical when speaking of religions but dont attribute it to your belief in a Spirit? In the context of your post, I assume you are taking the incorrect definition of metaphysical as being outside of physics (the true meaning is beyond the basics like cosmology, how things work together in a complete way). In my assumption, Spirit would fit the metaphysical category, since a Spirit is outside of the physical (physics) being.

          Usually, when a true Christian differentiates between a BELIEVER and a NON BELIEVER, they are referring to the belief in Jesus as the Christ (savior). Now, this forwards the proposition that only through accepting Christ can you be saved and be welcomed into Heaven. It does not tell us to think badly of those who deny this truth, it only tells us that they will not receive the gifts of God. This might lead us to pity you for your loss of these gifts, but should in no way push us to belittle or degrade your position, the authority to judge is given to God alone.

          The only true problems that arise from the belief in God come from the actions of non believers who would blaspheme or tout the “virtues” of behavior that is spoken against by him. We are supposed to LOVE all Gods children for they too might be saved. This is a wish of good will towards the non believers not a condemnation. It is an act of Spiritual Love and Kindness.

          It also requires us to be tolerant of others with different beliefs and to learn the truth in their system. I read about many here that speak bad of all Muslims because of the works of a small minority of them. This is wrong no matter how you look at it, it is even very close to violating the “Judge not lest ye be judged” warning in the scriptures. I seem to recall a reference to the phrase “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”, which reminds us that we are all capable of committing sin and should not judge the sins of others.

          You are not guilty of it here, but there are some that constantly ridicule Christians for their beliefs. To those people, it is often hard to avoid responding with the same ridicule. Tolerance is somewhat like respect, it is a two way street, you must have tolerance to receive tolerance.

    • WIA Ben

      DaveH, Vaya Con Dios, Feliz Navidad and Que Jesus Christo lo Bendiga en el Ano 2013. You are a blessed Talent on Loan from God. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you.
      WIA Ben

  • moonbeam

    Aaahhhh, yes, christmas. That old Babylonian pagan festival holiday that was celebrated long before Christ was born and has nothing to do with the birth of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Did y’all hear me?

    I read my bible daily. Nowhere in God’s Word does it state that Jesus was born on December 25th. Nowhere in God’s Word does it say to celebrate this day in remembrance of His Son. Read the book of Jeremiah, see God’s warnings and heed them.

    That is the Christian’s biggest problem. Most don’t read their bibles. They just skim over it to put their time in and take whatever the pastor says as gospel. Then they sit in church with their noses in the air judging their neighbor, stabbing him in the back with vicious gossip five minutes after getting up from the pew. It’s no wonder people think Christians are crackpots by the way some of us behave.

    Celebrate it all you want, but don’t connect it to Christ because it has nothing to do with Him. How could it when this pagan holiday was celebrated BEFORE Jesus was born?

    Yep, had me freaked out for three days when I found out myself. Made me jump out of my bed and all I could say is “WHAT? We’ve been lied to all this time by those who are supposed to know better? I couldn’t believe it.

    All this time pastors have been telling us that christmas and easter are all about the birth, death and resurrection of Christ. This is not the truth and is what happens when you listen to man and not God. Crack open those bibles and start reading to get some REAL truth. It’s the only place you’ll find it.

    Remember, the road is straight and narrow. Not wide and crooked. There’s no wiggle room folks.

    • Charlie

      moonbeam,,, The facts of The birth of King Jesus Christ as written in The Bible, is what We are celebrating ,,,Not,,,the time or calender date,,,don’t get hung up on minor details , UNTIL, the Major details are WELL ,understood … You can’t even define “Time”,and you’re worried about a date??? Meanwhile…………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        SUMARIANS FIRST WROTE THE “BIBLE”

        Sumerian writings were the originators of Mythology and wrote the stories found in the bible Genesis fairy tales. CUNEIFORM clay tablets from 4000 BC were mostly for accounting and sales records. But some stories were written for entertainment just as we have today. Some books are for fact and some are for entertainment.

        The Christian bibles intent then and now was to “factualize” mythological story into a religion, religious belief and religiosity dogma. This was simply an outlandish ruse on the people and punctuated with persecution and murder of anyone that did not capitulate and believe in the bible mythological stories. The “bended knee” philosophy through fear continues to this day.

        The earliest record of the Sumerian creation myth and flood myth is found on a single fragmentary tablet excavated in Nippur, sometimes called the Eridu Genesis. It is written in the Sumerian language and datable by its script to 2150 BC, during the first Babylonian dynasty, where the language of writing and administration was still Sumerian. Other Sumerian creation myths from around this date are called the Barton Cylinder.

      • Bill

        sk1951
        You are right about the sumarians. I read a lot of Zecharia Sitchin and I recently attended a seminar by one of his students, Eric Poltac

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      Bill: I dislike being “right”. I only try to share what I learn and the deceptions that I see. I truly believe that delusional belief is the problem today.

      • Honestly

        sl1951 I will pray for you. There will come a time when you will bend your knee to the One True God, Jesus Christ. May God be merciful to you in spite of all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    Dear Mr. Crystal;
    I very much enjoyed your simple and sincere Christmas message, I sat and thought about for a while, actually teared up a bit. Then I started reading the comments…
    Boy, those liberal, commie, God hating scum, just can’t help themselves, They have to attack and destroy everything that is good and pure and honest. I wasn’t going to respond. First anger, then disgust were the ugly emotions I began to experience. Then I remembered your message. Now I feel pity for these children of God who hate Him. It must really suck to be them.
    Thank you for that beautiful verse from the Bible and for how good it made me feel and Merry Christmas to you.

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      The religious have a delusion that there is hate about god. The people that understand that everything contained in the bible is metaphysical and imaginary created to create religion have no hate of god at all. They do however hate what religion delusion has done and continues to do to people.

      • Charlie

        sk1951,,, The Bible is a “Way” of Life ,,,NOT,, a religion ,,,it reads as you have been duped , deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be… Meanwhile…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

          No…the Quran is a way of life. The bible is simply a book of mythology used to promote religion. The delusion comes from the imagination believing mythology is factual. Let me help you here to understand the stages of delusion.

          Knowing that your life and survival are important: Rational thinking.

          Believing that your imagination and mythology are rational and factual: Delusional thinking.

          Believing that others should believe in your delusions: Crazy thinking.

          Believing that harm should befall others because they do not believe your delusions: Insane thinking.

          Believing that you are justified by your delusion to harm others: Criminal.

          Believing that you had the right to kill others: Criminally insane.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        So, sick1951;
        One thing I’ve noticed about you Godless athiests is, you all think you’re so smart. You are all a bunch of chauvinists (look up the word) who band together with your little intellectual gods and your little intellectual (as in little intellect) ideas about the universe and use big words to reassure yourselves of your silly ideas. A real intellect is someone who believes in God inspite of the doubts his intellect puts in the way. Did you know most of our greatest scientists were believers in God. It’s obvious why Christians proselytise, it’s a moral imperitive. Why do you Godless athiests proselytise your athiest dogma? I truly pity ‘people’ like you who are so lost and headed to a bad place. I also truly hope you can find Gods grace. God loves you even though you hate Him. Try opening your heart and your mind to see the TRUTH. It will set you free…

      • Bill

        Sk1951,
        I like your analogy of the stages of delusion

      • Karolyn

        chau·vin·ist

        [ shṓvənist ]

        1.somebody with sense of superiority: somebody with an excessive or prejudiced loyalty to a particular gender, group, or cause
        2.unreasoning patriot: an unreasoning, overenthusiastic, and aggressive patrio

      • Karolyn

        The above definition could be applied to any number of people here. And why is it that you object to intellect and “big words”? I am not an atheist; but because I have a different view of God and he Bible, I am usually considedred “godless” by Christians. It appears to me that a great many Christians consider themselves superior. I care not what anybody believes as long as they’re honest and treat others with respect.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        sk1951: No…the Quran is a way of life.

        Is the Quran of today, the same as it was when it was first written? Muslims says that it is. But there is evidence to suggest that the reality is otherwise. In old books on Islam that I have acquired, I have found references to verses in the Quran which cannot be found in today’s copies.

        For example, female circumcision, a notorious evil which has been inflicted on millions of girls throughout the Muslim world, is said not to be in today’s Quran, nor in the Hadith (the word of Muhammad). This is true, but only in regards to the versions which we have. John of Damascus who was writing in the eight century A.D., one of our earliest writers on Islam, wrote:

        He [Muhammad] made it a law that they be circumcised and the women, too.

        The Renaissance author Riccoldo da Monte di Croce wrote in the early 14th century a refutation on the Quran, in which he references Islamic verses which are quite obscure today. Croce is not someone to ignore as non-authoritative, since he learned fluent Arabic, and lived in Iraq as a missionary where he spoke with numerous Islamic teachers.
        He writes that in the Surah of the Cow in the Quran, Muhammad seems to condone sodomy in men and women … though their successors cover this up with more honourable statements.

        De Croce also records a very bizarre and grotesque story in the Quran, in which Noah is told by Allah to worship the anus of an elephant while in the ark. As Noah observes this command, the elephant defecates and from the manure comes a pig. As the swine sniffs the fecal matter, a mouse arises from it.

        Also, the same author records that in the Quran there is an apocalyptic prophecy which states that Allah will destroy every living thing, including all of the angels, accept for Adriel [Uzrael], the Angel of Death. Allah will command Adriel to commit suicide and then he will declare, “Where are the governors and rulers of the world?” Upon this, everything on earth will rise up again.

        So the next time you hear Muslims talk about how well preserved the Quran is, and how it has been the same from the time of Muhammad, keep in mind that the version you see today is not necessarily what was written in it originally.

        Theodore Shoebat is the author of the book, For God or For Tyranny.

        References:

        (1) John of Damascus, Heretics, 101, trans. Frederic H. Chase.

        (2) See Ensis’ introduction to his translation of Croce’s Refutation of the Koran, p. iii.

        (3) Croce, Refuation of the Koran, ch. i, p. 12, trans. Londini Ensis

        (4) Croce, Refutation of the Koran, ch. ix, p. 60, trans. Londini Ensis.

        (5) Croce, Refutation of the Koran, ch. ix, p. 60, trans. Londini Ensis.

        http://www.hmml.org/exhibits10/orientalia/main.htm

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Dan: One thing I’ve noticed about you Godless athiests is, you all think you’re so smart. You are all a bunch of chauvinists (look up the word) who band together with your little intellectual gods and your little intellectual (as in little intellect) ideas about the universe and use big words to reassure yourselves of your silly ideas.

        Dan, sk1951 is no Atheist. A true Atheist offers no verdict regarding any religion or religious writ. Atheists are simply ambivalent regarding such matters. sk1951, is something else entirely…you need only look closer into his comments where he reveals his identity and intentions.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Dan Mancuso says:
        I was going to ignore this post but it is so sadly hilarious I just have to answer it. I am not an Atheist but that is irrelevant. I also ran a spell check for you.

        So, sick1951;
        “One thing I’ve noticed about you Godless atheists is, you all think you’re so smart.”
        Actually, Atheist is a none nomer so therefor there can be nothing to be smart about. But a true intellectual understands that “not knowing” is the bases for science and learning. It is the religious that make this claim of “all knowing.”

        “You are all a bunch of chauvinists (look up the word) who band together with your little intellectual gods and your little intellectual (as in little intellect) ideas about the universe and use big words to reassure yourselves of your silly ideas.”
        Since we are so smart it is not necessary to look up words. “God” is a noun therefor there cannot be intellectual invented gods either. I assume your rant about silly ideas and little intellect is pointing to the fact that it must take these things to believe mythology as factual. If true…then yes…I have no intellect at all, nor any ideas to share of them because that would be silly.

        “A real intellect is someone who believes in God in spite of the doubts his intellect puts in the way.”
        You are confusing intellect with imagination. Gods live in an imaginary world and intellect does not allow for a belief in the imaginary. Believer or faithful would be more fitting of your description of believing in the unbelievable.

        “Did you know most of our greatest scientists were believers in God.”
        Did you know that is a fallacy?

        “It’s obvious why Christians proselytize, it’s a moral imperative.”
        Obvious and imperative of what exactly? Define moral as only being Christian and none existent in secular lives.

        “Why do you Godless atheists proselytize your atheist dogma?”
        You truly need to look up the word dogma.

        “I truly pity ‘people’ like you who are so lost and headed to a bad place.”
        You pity yourself in your imaginary abuse by seculars. You can’t wait for ‘people’ you deem heathen to suffer your imaginary punishments. Sorry…will never happen.

        “I also truly hope you can find God’s grace. God loves you even though you hate Him. Try opening your heart and your mind to see the TRUTH. It will set you free…”

        The parable is “make” you free not set you free and there is a HUGE distinction. I did as you say long ago and I found truth in Spirit…not a man made belief in an imaginary super natural flying man in the sky. I found my freedom and peace through Spirit acceptance. But thanks for your well wishes for me. I sincerely hope the same for you and everyone no matter what sect faith or belief.

      • deerinwater

        sk1951 says;

        “Actually, Atheist is a none nomer so therefor there can be nothing to be smart about. But a true intellectual understands that “not knowing” is the bases for science and learning. It is the religious that make this claim of “all knowing.”

        LOL! I guess you shook him up. ~ It’s the blinding ego, ~ It’s embedded at this point, ~ as long as you are walking in with your eyes wide open and a head not clouded with corrupted programming, if you have plans to stay the course to unlocking the hidden secrets of what you actually are and who should you serve.

        If it wasn’t for the churches social work, they doing more harm then good spreading dumbed down matters of the spirit just so “everyone” can walk away feeling like they gained some insights in just a 45 minute service and a few three day follow ups. LOL! It’s a fast pitch for the “feel good” ~ while if Christians were truly studying scriptures, they would leave the church meeting confused and thinking about it for days and days. The quandary would be long lasting, haunting! This would trigger a search for the truth, a search that might take many years to complete.

        The church abuses words and terms until it’s next to impossible to communicate with many Christians except inside some framework constructed by the Church Their cup is so full, nothing else can be offered. Like Good Charlie ~ they know! and they are neither humble or bashful about what they know. They are PROUD!

        Blooded of the Lamb, Born again, Repent, ~ Sin ~ atonement, Sacrificial, Salvation, ~ Hell, Heaven ~ good gosh ! Much of this a Pagan talk or simply symbolic language that has been carried over into the early Christian faith and is still repeated today. Words spoken TO people that rarely ventured 100 miles from the place of their birth, that could neither read nor write. People that stoned fellow citizens for minor transgressions. Scholars were few and these cleaver men could be found in the early Church that was charged with the assist in the administering of Government to the governed.

        Can you not see? ~Please don’t confuse me with someone finding a need to care if you do or not. I enjoy lively , healthy conversation and work to that end.

  • 45caliber

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL – even you libs. And it is certainly Christmas regardless of what some of you insist. “Christmas” is short for Christ’s Mass – and you can celebrate it even if you do insist it isn’t Jesus’ birthday. After all, no one knows when his birthday actually is. If you want to celebrate that at another time of the year, fine. I’ll celebrate it now.

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      I celebrate it being over every year.

      • Bill

        Sk
        I liked your analogy of delusion and I have studied the sumarian civilization, but, I enjoy the holidays. I enjoy wishing merry christmas to the christians, happy chanuka to the jews and happy holidays to anyone else that is in a festive mood for the holidays.

        It is a time for giving and the enjoyment of friends and family

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      Ben: If it was a Christmas theory (a time of humanity) just as there is Christian theory (mans good will and nature)…I truly would be happy about it too. But as long as religion is involved I can have no part of it. But I do wish you your Marry Christmas.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Ben Crystal,”

    YULETIDE GREETINGS, SIR.

    WHATEVER YOU DO IN LIFE, DO NOT STOP SINGING. YOUR BARITONE IS ABSOLUTELY EXTRAORDINARY.

    SINCE THIS IS THE YULETIDE SEASON, I HAD HOPED YOU WOULD HAVE MADE ANOTHER SINGING VIDEO.

    BEST WISHES, Mr. Crystal, IN ALL OF YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • Scott Moore

    How sweet and powerful the gospel message is. God moved heaven and earth in the ultimate act of love that only he could do.
    He (Jesus) came to bring peace between Himself and man, the ultimate act of humility and love.
    Yet we as his created people didn’t recognize this loving act, so we rejected it and tried to destroy it.
    But true love never fails, never dies, never will …
    So it’s the same today as it was yesterday except we think we are smarter. I don’t think so.
    Love is still reaching out and still being rejected and replaced…..
    Time will end and love will prevail

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      No matter how beautiful the words…True religious faith is also very blind to the reality of religions.

    • Honestly

      Scott Moore…Very well said…

  • Charlie

    Some truths some lies,,,but,,,let Freedom ring because, those with ear to hear will…
    “Know the truth and the truth will set you free” John 8:32… Meanwhile…………….
    Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    Charlie Freedom

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      YULETIDE GREETINGS, “Charlie” – FROM, YOUR FRIENDLY “heathen.”

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      In other words the end justify the means? All the murders and genocide for thousands of years are OK today just as long as religion is still here?

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    THE BIBLE, THE WORLD’S MOST HATED BOOK

    Those of us who believe the Bible seldom realize that it is hated by millions of unbelievers. It is the world’s most loved book, but it is also the world’s most hated book by those who oppose its teachings.

    Several years ago, Eugene Nida related this incident in the 137th annual meeting of the American Bible Society in New York. A Bible seller in Syria was dragged into police court for selling “inflammatory political propaganda.” The judge examined the portions of the Bible being sold and said: “Where is that man, Paul, who wrote this book to the Romans? Bring him into this court” The Bible seller tried to explain that Paul had been dead nearly two thousand years, but the judge was hard to convince. He said: “Here, you sign a statement declaring that you will be personally responsible for everything written in this book to the Romans. This document is too contemporary and its significance too timely not to have someone personally responsible for its contents.”

    This Mohammedan judge put his finger on the strange power of the Bible. It is contemporary with every age. It is not a “dead letter,” but a living word which is the “dynamite” of God unto salvation (Rom. 1:16). Let us fervently hope that millions of nominal believers will wake up to its saving power and wipe the dust off its covers and begin to study it.

    It is strange that often the children of this world are wiser for their own generation than the children of light. The enemies of the Bible quickly recognize its power against them and their evil works. The friends of the Bible are often blind to its potency for good. A few years ago a shipment of Bibles was stopped at the Russian border in Germany. The Bible were declared “contraband” and refused entrance to the country. The Communists were afraid of the Bible power!

    The Bible is called the “book of the Devil” in some parts of the world. Not only in Communist dominated countries is it difficult, if not impossible, to distribute the Bible, but also in lands like Spain and Italy and parts of South America it is practically impossible to
    publish and distribute the Bible.

    – Author Unknown

    • JON

      Very interesting perspective. It’s probably more the misuse of the Bible by it’s readers that real messes things up.

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      I find it strange that people claiming to know the bible know so little of it. Those rejecting religion reject the bible philosophy of one race superiority bigotry and racism. If you are not a Jew you are not of Gods chosen people. But for me the call to jihad against all people is the worst. Do you bible lovers truly believe these verses? And how many of you understand that the Quran is just a rewrite of the Christian bible and that Islam is by definition a Christian religion? The God religious do not want to learn of these things.

      “Show No Mercy!” Deut 7:2
      “Make no peace!” Deut 7:2
      “March to War!” Numbers 32:20
      “Ethnic cleanse!” Deut. 20:15
      “Commit genocide!” Joshua 10:20
      “Enslave!” Lev. 25:44
      “Beat to death!” Ex. 21:20
      “Kill women and chilldren!” Numbers 31:17, 1 Samuel 15:3
      “Kill all prisoners!” Deut 7:2
      “Destroy!” Deut. 7:16
      “Annihilate!” Deut. 17:29
      “Slaughter!” Deut. 13:15, Joshua 8:24
      “Burn!” Deut. 13:15
      “Torture!” Lev. 24:23, Numbers 5:11
      “Massacre!” Numbers 21:2
      “Exterminate!” Deut 2:34, Deut 3:3
      “Crush!” Deut. 33:29
      “Kill!” Joshua 9:24
      “Destroy!” Deut 31:4
      “Smote!” Esther 9:5
      “Slash!” Judges 15:8
      “Burn!” joshua 6:24
      “Kill!” Joshua 10:10
      “Kill!” Judges 11:33
      “Kill!” Deut 9:3
      “Loot!” Deut. 20:10
      “Plunder!” Numbers 31:9, Deut 2:35
      “Rape!” Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:10, Judges 21:11
      “Pillage!” 1 Samuel 23:5
      “Kill!” Deut 9:3
      “Kill!” Deut 20:15
      “Kill!” Judges 21:11

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear sk1951,

        You write: “I find it strange that people claiming to know the bible know so little of it.” And I find it strange that you have so taken these verses out of context in an attempt to appear as if you understand what the Bible message is.

        You write: “If you are not a Jew you are not of Gods (sic) chosen people.” That is not true and has not been for thousands of years after the Jews continually broke their covenant with God. Those Baptized into Christ become the spiritual children of Abraham and therefore God’s chosen people. That does not include no-believing Jews and never will. See Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

        You write: “Do you bible lovers truly believe these verses?” Yes. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

        You write: “And how many of you understand that the Quran is just a rewrite of the Christian bible (sic) and that Islam is by definition a Christian religion?” Nonsense.

        You write: “The God religious do not want to learn of these things.” Please restate this in English. Then perhaps I can respond.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

          Bob: I will not restate anything. I am very clear. I do not believe in Jihad and it is clear that you support it. That is enough for me to know I am dealing with a lost soul.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear sk1951,

            You write: “Bob: I will not restate anything. I am very clear.” On the contrary, your statement was not clear. “The God religious do not want to learn of these things,” makes no sense.

            You write: “I do not believe in Jihad and it is clear that you support it.” Where have I stated I believe in jihad?

            You write: “That is enough for me to know I am dealing with a lost soul.” On the contrary. I have been baptized into Christ. I am not lost.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Bob: I assume you were slandering my writing abilities when inferring I can’t write in English? However I will do my best. “Support is implied.” It is hard for me to tell where people are coming from so if you are interested in learning about the history of religion than I stand corrected as far as you are concerned. My intention is a valid point of fact in that religion has created the most horrific of man’s inhumanity to man ever recorded. If a belief in God were benign and simply a “Christian value” religion there would be no arguments or concerns from most rational people. But this is not the case. Just as the claim today is that there are “Peaceful Muslims.” This is impossible if a person is a true Islamic Muslim believer. They are a complete body of one. Even if passive, they ALL support world jihad and infidel extermination or assimilation (assimilation makes a person little more than a concurred slave with no constitutional rights.) These are the Christian God religion principals of the Bible. Exchange infidel for gentile and you have the same 2000 year old war of a Christian God against humanists or as the God religious say “none believers that believe in nothing” which are their mortal enemy. My goal is not to change anyone or defame any belief but the hate, separation, racist violence and bigotry must stop somehow. Is this truly ALL OVER A BELIEF in ONE of many Gods? A none belief in a Christian God the most abominable of all sin, this pitting the Muslim against the Christians and everyone against the none believer? How is this not being viewed as the most incredible act of insanity the world has ever known? And do the Gods truly approve of this Jihad? My goal is to try and find a commonality that can bridge the gap and stop the jihad mentality that is now after so many millennia a genetic implant in the minds of the religious. There is simply no escaping it without some kind of intervention. I submit a place to start with none religious public prayer. As a group…the “unbelievers” are passive in nature and only seek for peace. Will the religious ever truly begin acting in what they profess to be… peaceful… also?

  • JON

    Merry Christmas?!? So much for that on this web page! It’s so sad to observe how people [even for a 24 hour period on December 25th] can’t act civil towards one another without being rude and snarky. Those who are the worst violators of civility seem to group together and gang up on certain individuals with their on going name calling, insults, and pathetic behavior. You know who your are. How about for once in your life, you try treating others with respect. Yeah, Merry freakin’ Christmas!

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I never forget when linus quotes that passage in a Charlie Brown Christmas. I love Christmas very much. I love spending time with my family. I love listening to the beautiful music and feeling nostalgic when I watch the old holiday classics. And the occasional present does not hurt. Even though I am an agnostic I love the more religiously related songs like Come all ye faithful and Hark the herald angels sing. I feel Jesus was a wise and honorable man and his teachings should be followed and taught. However I do not believe he was the son of god nor do I believe that he was preaching of a god that existed or exists. Though I respect Jesus for his humility and genuine devotion to that which he believed even if I may disagree with some of it. Above all I respect his views on kindness, generosity and good will towards others. And so not as a rejection of any ones faith I always say Merry Christmas to people. I hope never to offend and if I do I apologize. But I want everyone to have a Merry and Happy Christmas day whatever their religious beliefs. So I hope everyone here had a Merry Christmas and I hope you all have a Happy New Year.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Jeremy Leochner,”

      I AGREE. ALTHOUGH I AM ATHEIST – AS A CLASSICAL MUSICIAN – I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE SOME ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL MEDIEVAL- AND RENAISSANCE PIECES ON THE “Nativity of Christ” – SUNG IN OLD FRENCH, OLD SPANISH AND MEDIEVAL LATIN. FOR ME, SEASON-ORIENTED SONGS IN GERMAN ARE BEST FROM THE BAROQUE ERA.

      • JON

        And as the saying goes…”IF IT AIN’T BAROQUE…DON’T FIX IT!”
        Happy New Year!

  • Anotherworldview

    What is the reason that some people here are writing in CAPITAL LETTERS? I know it means “shouting at others”. Please respect the reader, whoever that is, out of moral obligation, if not for reason.

    • Charlie

      That’s Mr. Horton, he’s one of the people with a eye handicap among other problems We’re
      both working on things… Have mercy,,,maybe Santa Clause will bring some help…
      Meanwhile………………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        WOW! “Charlie” GAVE AID TO A “heathen.” MAYBE, Acts 2:38 HAS PRODUCED CHANGE. [No more, "Honk on ... Horton"]?

  • ibcamn

    careful guys,there’s something new here,and it’s not right!can’t quite put my finger on it. it’s out of the norm for this bunch and it’s creepy wrong….well..a bad vibe anyway’s!..

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “ibcamn,”

      I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT YOUR COMMENT SINCE I FIRST SAW IT; I TEND TO AGREE, BUT, MAYBE THE SEASON CAUSES PEOPLE TO “REFLECT.” HOWEVER, I AM SEEING SOME NEW MONIKERS.

  • ergoetu

    Hello Ben, Very well said. Thank you for the passage from the Bible, very outstanding.

  • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

    We are talking about the unexplainable here so yes this is hard to explain. There is no understanding or rational for Spirit. Only realization inside yourself, that it is with you and outside of you. The more a person attempts at an explanation the more convoluted and stupid it sounds and reason goes out the window. This the very reason most spirit based teachings were done in the form of pros or parable. One must be guided to consider in his own mind and find his own way to Spirit. Seeking is the key. Internal Enlightenment’s the way. See…even I can write in inspirational parables!

    I don’t get into right and wrong or facts when sharing about Spirit. I can only tell you that a definition of “Spirit” as an entity is incorrect. It is simply an all-encompassing power. A force. It is all the unseen none matter that enfolds and is the home of the Universe. The Universal Mind that is inside of us all if we chose to become one with it. This will never end in failed attempted explanation. In fact there is a place where words fail leaving only contact and that is a nice place.

    On a personal note…I truly believe that Gods were created simply to provide a visual aid for man’s mind to find a place to focus on unexplainable powers of spirit and nature, an explanation that man then twisted into religious dogma and belief. This truly does not work in Spirit acceptance.

    Here is a further idiotic attempt at explanation. There are others there also.
    http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/seen-and-unseen-powers/

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      That was for Frank Kahn. Thanks Frank.

    • Charlie

      sk1951,,, Who are the people named at 1 Chronicles 16:13 ,17:21??? and the same people are named at Matthew 15:24 by King Jesus Christ… The Children of Jacob Israel are God’s Chosen people ,,,NOT! just the bloodline lineage of the tribe of Judah … Don’t forget ,a major lineage split happened at Esau and Jacob… Meanwhile……………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

    • Frank Kahn

      Actually, I can agree with you on some points of RELIGION, however the basic concept of the Christian God is 100% consistent with the concept of Spirit. I could, if you desired, even list all of the perfect matches in description of the two. It is said that God (Spirit) put the BREATH of life into his creation. Since spirit comes from the root word meaning breath this is consistent. God (Spirit) is in everything, we are all a part of God (Spirit). If God (Spirit) is removed from your Life, you will suffer the TRUE DEATH, because without God (Spirit) there is no life. There is no power greater than God (Spirit).

      I see the description of God as a description of Spirit. To try and be precise about WHO or WHAT God is or what he looks like is impossible.

      I disagree with your postings about the Jihad mentality of Christians. I have noted and agree that many atrocities have been done in the name of God, but they were not because of God. They are generally a result of misunderstanding of the teachings not directed by them. Usually, these atrocities are fostered and carried out by extremists in the religious sectors, be it Christian or Muslim.

      • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

        Frank: Tomato tomoto? Is religion actually God and they are one and inseparable? I understand that you have no respect for me because of my inability to believe in a mythical deity and that I will NEVER accept religion belief. You are a God religion apologist and even though you will openly admit the atrocity’s you still defend them as persecuted and misunderstood even if murderous. To me…this is supportive delusional thinking. The points you are making is simply the reverse of what I am saying. Religion and God are a formulation of the early belief in Spirit that are over 10,000 years old and probably more. There is no man made gods “in our image” and religion is simply a government rule of morality based on nothing but man made inventions of law put in a book of rules for control of man. I know this is a waste of my time and that you will never appreciate or accept Spirit as the true and real creator. But that is not my goal, to convince anyone of anything. As I said my goal is to help people understand that organized religion is killing and separating us and has been for thousands of years. Religion will NEVER join us together it will ALWAYS divide. God or Spirit you can call it semantic if you want. I don’t truly care because there is no harm done to Spirit because it has no way to care. Spirit does not require ANYTHING only Gods and believers do. Moral codes come from the internal expansion understanding through acceptance of Spirit, not by the weapons, persecutions, punishments and laws of men. Yes…this does sound exactly like religion teaches. But the truth comes from the actions of religion, it does not practice what it preaches in peace and instead promotes ONE GOD supremacy, violence, bigotry and hatred. ALL the religious teaching came from the early teachers of Spirit before religion eradicated (burned) all the wisdom truth and knowledge of the ancients and plagiarized emplaced their new man made Gods in place of Spirit. That is why there is so much cross over in the Bible and makes it hard to see the deceit. Religion simply striped Spirit out and replaced it with God. Much the same as Muhammad replaced God with himself and the new Christians replaced Jesus in place of God or as a working partnership. Soon we will have a new God again…Obama. All convoluted from the truly simplistic natural nature of Spirit. There is no HOLLY or Deity on HIGH or any of that dogma with Spirit. It is simply all the good unseen powers. The perfection is in the fact that Spirit has no way of knowing evil or intent. There is no death only rebirth in both Spirit and in the Universe. And yes…there is that religious ring again. I thank you for taking the time to share your feelings with me. I hope you will respect mine as well and I fervently apologies for my ineptitude in explanation of the unexplainable. It is most challenging, even more so when chatting with true believers. I don’t seek to challenge all the Gods…only organized religions. No punctuation to try and protect band width.

        • Frank Kahn

          Your description of me is 100% wrong. I dont like religion, it is as you said man made.

          This post was finally one that puts forth ideas and ideals that can be understood.

          You are however fatally wrong in your assertion about what you believe. By the normally accepted definition of religion, your belief system is a type of religion. You have a creator you honor him instead of worship. It does not require you to give to it but you do in your treatment of the environment. The word nothing is our main sticking point. I cannot accept the concept that nothing is something. Nor can you say that nothing can do something. The word just does not fit your attempt at describing it. If I simply ignore your use of that word, then what you say makes perfect sense.

          Most nations (tribes) in this country had a much more logical and deep seated spiritual sense than any other people I have studied. I just dont understand the perceived persecution that you attribute to religion that has made you so hateful of organized religion.

          I respect your beliefs, but I will not be blamed for any wrongs that you think were done to you, your nation or the world by religion.

          I do not apologize for the wrongs done by religious persecution, they were and still are wrong. As you say, they go against the stated ideals of religion. I do not practice them so I have nothing to apologize for.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            Frank: You are not separating each part of the topics. The “nothing” is a question of science and religion. On of matter and one of spirit. I attempted to explain from a number of sources but none seem to have found you. That’s OK cuz it does not matter because your theory or mine…so what? There is no fact in either. As I said…my main point of contention is religion and the damages it has caused. You claim to not know of any damages? I find that utterly incredible for a guy who seems to be a knowledge hound (as I also am.) I won’t attempt a list everything because it would be to long but the war of knowledge and wisdom is one. The time of book burning and murder of teachers theologians and witches and anything they deemed OCCULT. The definition of OCCULT is not evil. OCCULT : Webster: 1. Beyond the realm of human comprehension or ordinary human understanding. 2. Available only to the initiate; secret. 3. Hidden from view; concealed. I don’t know how many religious wars there were but the Children’s War is the most notable for me. Hitler was a Christian supremacy jihadist that learned his trade from the Catholic that helped fund his “righteous” war. Islam is a religious war that was also taught to Mohammad by the jihadist leaders of the world the Catholics. The war and separation has lived for thousands of years and shows itself even now in this idiotic letter. All over what? Is there a flying man in the sky? It is ridiculous and murderous. You can’t see that OK fine. But I truly have not found anyone that has his head stuck in the sand as deeply as you do about it. Carry on Frank. Oh…I will post my theory on prayer for you. Here is a good site that list many atrocities: http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/religious-atrocities-history

            PUBLIC PRAYER GUIDELINES:

            This is a very serious problem not only in America but all over the world and truly needs some kind of rational thinking from both sides of this issue. This war and separation between the Christian God religious and none Christian God religious borders on the Twilight Zone or a Spielberg book. The separation it creates in our society is not good for anyone or anything and is counterproductive in so many ways. Even deadly and dangerous.
            Since prayer is normally for well-wishing or sympathy, public prayer should be done without invoking and beseeching help from metaphysical entities or gods or turned into a short religious church service.
            Personal prayer is little more than meditation seeking inner personal strength to withstand a trauma or as a prayer for hope and strength for themselves or another person.
            Religious people do not understand that even none religious people pray…they just don’t invoke the metaphysical into it. Praying is not exclusive to the religious or Christian God religious. And prayer should not be used to set up a battle field to make a stand against the none religious in public prayer. This should not be viewed as a chance to force the will of the religious onto the public.
            Public prayer involves and exposes everyone but is not currently being done in a way that is polite and respectful to everyone. I would not support public blaspheming as an alternative counter public prayer but this is the point I am attempting to make.
            The God religious (appear) to only believe their side to be valid and will not validate or accept any alternate points of view or belief. The religious seem to feel that “Well they believe in nothing so what does it matter to them if we pray in public.” This is not what I call a Christian attitude.
            God religious metaphysical mythological believers simply will not take into consideration the feelings of others not of a God faith or Church defined reality, of which there are many people. This group consider themselves none God religious or Spiritual “in personal nature”. They understand Christian values and theory but do not need religion to define it and simply cannot believe in a metaphysical reality. This does not make them any less Christian in nature or evil. It simply makes them different in their beliefs.
            The God religious (appear) to believe and envision themselves to be the only ones being persecuted and harassed in the pubic prayer and public religiosity debate. This is not a true and real picture of what is happening in common social reality.
            There are many valid questions that the God religious need to help answer and define:
            The God based religious know and understand that God truly can do nothing because of their Free Will doctrine. So what is the point in pubic prayer of invoking the name of God? It is just to antagonize the none religious or a chance to publicly proselytize? Is it just to lift a leg and spot a mark on the pacifists that do not believe that the metaphysical is real? Is it just to ramrod invoke a God power onto everyone disregarding other Spiritual beliefs?
            Truly if the religious would simply respect others and put a tiny bit of thought into what pubic prayer should and could be I don’t think anyone would object to none God religious prayer. But then to the religious…what would be the point? How about unification?

          • Frank Kahn

            MULTIPLE PART RESPONSE REQUIRED

            ITEMS

            1. NOTHING is the WRONG word.

            Science (since you bring it up) does not say the universe was created from nothing. It currently holds the idea that everything currently in the universe was originally contained in a quantum singularity, which then expanded at an extreme rate. Where the quantum singularity came from has not been thoroughly explained. The “god particle” does not create something from nothing, it helps create matter from energy, giving the particles mass.
            Modern Christian dogma, also does not begin with nothing, it begins with God, who creates the universe. The means by which he did this is not given.
            The properties of God are, as you admit, extremely similar to your Spirit which is something not nothing.

            In the English language, these are all facts. They are also ideas, and beliefs.

            I dont want to be confrontational, but if you want to claim that something is nothing then you are WRONG, PERIOD. If you want to discuss the difference between your beliefs and religious beliefs, then I welcome the learning opportunity. But, it is not possible to discuss anything if you insist on changing the meaning of words. By the way, I dont know any reasonable rational Christian that believes God is a man flying in the sky.

            2. I must question your comprehension concerning my question about persecutions. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are not intentionally ignoring my words to claim that I deny religious atrocities. I made it quite clear, in my opinion, that I was asking about your personal experiences, not world events. I approach the subject of slavery in this country with the same questions to blacks. I ask them what I did to THEM to make them angry at ME. You appear to have a personal grudge against religion, I wanted to know what it has done to YOU PERSONALLY to foster such hatred. What has been done to you, that you persist in putting me into a category of delusional people? I have not, previously, attacked your beliefs, so why do you attack me?

            3. Public prayer

            I might argue the term prayer, since the normally accepted definition of prayer is an attempt at communication with some form of deity. By that definition, it would be impossible to have a joint, collective public prayer of both Christian and atheists. If you would only seek to have the God religious refrain from using the word God or Jesus in the prayer then it would maybe be doable.

            Almost all organized religions have the same idea that practitioners of other faiths are not going to get their eternal rewards. This is reflective of the human psyche and not something that we will probably be able to eliminate.

            Non God religious are by definition non Christian, this is because you have to believe in the Christ (savior) to be a Christian. Does this mean that they dont hold the same values as Christians, NO, they are as moral and honest as any other human.

            If you ridicule their beliefs, how do you expect them to be respectful of yours?

            I agree with you, we need to find a way to have more acceptance of differing views. I think that it is often a lack of understanding (education) that separates us.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            I went to collect some things for you. Here are two about nothing one spiritual and one material. Sunyata (Emptiness) is the profound meaning of the Mahayana Teaching. http://www.buddhanet.net/cbp2_f6.htm Is the “Great Void” One-Billion Light Years Across the Imprint of Another Universe or a Statistical Error? http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/12/is-the-massive-cold-spot-a-sign.html

            This is a new paper I wrote called: ME DREAMING OF GOD – GOD DREAMING OF ME http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2012/12/me-dreaming-of-god-god-dreaming-of-me-2440394.html

          • Frank Kahn

            I have read all three of the items given in your links.

            1. The teachings of Buddha as described in the first are using the wrong words, just as you do. Also, there is no mention of nothing, just emptiness. The term empty is not referencing nothing, it is selfless or without ego. I am well aware of the concept being attempted to be described. If you use their description you will get nothing except a migraine.

            2. The void, although it does indicate a lack of energy, it does not necessarily denote absence of everything. Theory as to the cause of its existence is still being discussed.

            3. Your little article about perception is nonsense. It asks a paradoxical question, in which neither or both might be true. The musings do not in any way support the concept of Spirit.

            Discussion of such a hypothetical philosophy cannot be done in a blog, it would need personal interaction.

            If I had a couple days and several hundred screens of blog space available to me, I might help you see the real concepts behind Buddhism but that is not possible here.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            Truly you only seek to argue and find fault with me Buddha Spirit and even nothing. Amazing. I give up. Once again…you win.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            Frank:
            You question and seek to understand my Spirit. That is a very good question and one that I am in a constant state of questioning and learning of myself. But because I am ignorant enough to keep trying to explain I will once again open myself up to ridicule.
            I think that the boson was named the “GOD” particle because they have viewed what appears to be a lab invented creation event. The theory of particles “popping in an out of existence” can also be viewed as simply being created and dyeing…but in a very short life cycle. So here again…even in plain view of a “happening” the arguments of “what just happened” or the “not knowing” continue. Don’t you find that wonderful? I know through my living experiences that it takes time to embrace the not-knowing and the power of nothing but it can and will happen if a person will truly seek for it.
            You are asking: Why Spirit and not Religion and God? Why not simply be agnostic or atheist and forget about the whole thing? I was born into the church of Christ religion of Lutheranism (a catholic belief.) I was trained to be a part of the hierarchy, schooled and a minister in training. Let me attempt to share a bit of what I think religion, belief and faith are. These are EXTREAMLY ABRIVIATED explanations.
            FAITH: in Spirit: is benign. There is no condone or condemn. It is peaceful and quite. Serine in many ways. Comforting. There is no religiosity violence, rules or law, religious bigotry or judgments of others. There is no superiority. You have nothing to share with others other than yourself. You can’t share your Spirit because everyone already has Spirit exactly as you do. Spirit simply IS. Spirit has no needs nor demands ANYTHING. Your morality comes from knowing Spirit. The stronger the bond with Spirit the farther away you are repelled from the negatives of human life and the desires of the world. The abhorrence of abominations come from inside you. Spirit is a form of self-governing of the highest magnitude. You become moral in Spirit. There is NO question in your mind of Spirit. It is a knowing of Spirit…not a belief.
            “If belief or opinion were fact…they would not exist.”Sk1951
            BELIEF: in religion: is a strong warrior form of denial of anything other than what the religion allows you to believe. You turn away from anything of earth or anything of science and are in a constant state of readiness to confront anything that appears to challenge your belief. You become extremely defensive and confrontational. None trusting of anyone that is not of your belief. Condoning or condemning each person, their actions and situations you encounter.
            “Belief has a duality of good and bad where delusion is only bad. Delusion is the evil twin of imagination.”Sk1951
            RELIGION: in God: is an all-encompassing live your life for God and the self-sacrificing Jesus; program of religiosity. The Bible must be believed as the absolute unconditional true word of God himself. God CANNOT be questioned or challenged or blasphemed. The story of Jesus, the cross and the blood the most humbling, inspiring and condemning of all stories ever told. It is a slow transformation of your heart and soul into living only for God and Christ. Your perfection in Christ can never be achieved because you are a flawed inherently evil, born in sin entity. You are unworthy of the blood but it was given to you because God loves you in spite of your lowness. You give yourself away body and soul and become something other than yourself. You become and are the body of Christ. You ARE the church. You ARE the religion. You marry Jesus Christ and become faithful only to him. You ARE NO LONGER yourself. You MUST BE “BORN AGAIN” in the blood of Jesus. Yourself, is turned away and denied in your life. Your body a haven for evil that must be constantly cleansed with the life blood of Christ. You are the temple home for God and Jesus. And for all this, you only have to tithe 10%! Or truly trust God and give it ALL away…your choice…depending on how guilty and unworthy you feel.
            “If a loving God truly existed…hell truly would not.”Sk1951
            You say some of my words are riddles and can’t be understood. This is the point I am attempting to guide others too. What cannot be understood is the key to the door of Spirit. We are arriving at the not knowing together. The great riddle and misery of the great emptiness of nothingness. The true and real place of creation.
            Let me speak to you totally from my Spirit and you will see just how none understandable this gets: We are the all not knowing seeking the all-knowing. Knowing is hidden within the not knowing. The greatness of emptiness and nothingness and not knowing is the true science and inner faith of Spirit. Ours is the journey…not the destination. True Spirit cannot be captured in words or put in a book and cannot be formed into language. True enlightenment only comes from within and will never be found any place else. Wonderment…is the true nature of man. Curiosity the fuel to continue. You need not seek what is already inside you. Your greatness is assured by accepting your Spirit powers. Spirit is the great nothingness that is everything that we seek to find. Spirit casts no judgments nor issues rewards. The reward is in living in harmony with Spirit vibrating in tune with the Universal Mind that is Spirit.
            When we arrive at a place where these kinds of confounding assembled words only make us smile because it reminds us of the struggle we so valiantly fought to arrive at the door way of Spirit awareness …then we will understand that which we “do not know” or understand. The great emptiness of nothing becomes all. Understanding is no longer relevant. Awareness, realization and acceptance of truth is all there is. All feelings of anxiety and fear fall away. You find peace. At this point true study and learning can commence. Everything you thought you knew become akin to a child’s toy. You have truly arrived at the “not knowing.”
            You are still confused by my feelings about religion? Truly…with all my heart, soul and passion I tell you that man-made gods and religiosity keep hidden the path to the door way… through the promise of it. Religion is made to entrap men’s souls into delusion, there by controlling their bodies and minds to use their pain, suffering and sacrifices to make the few more powerful and rich. Men of good conscience do unspeakable inhumanities to man in the name of a religious man invented GOD. What can be a greater example of paradoxical or oxymoronic than this human(?) behavior? Religion, through thousands of years of empirical testing, has PROVEN itself to be the greatest and long lived deception the world of man has ever endured. I have seen and lived in the devils lair…and it is truly the Catholic Church of Christ and all its many decedents. The most beautiful of structures and the most horrific tools of torture belong to the Churches of God. Churches and tools of torture are creations made to aw and inspire and to strike the most horrible of fears in the heart of man. They stand as mausoleums of death and destruction of humanities body and souls in the name of power, greed and control. The quest for ever increasing riches the true sign of the cross.
            Truly…no one is in the same place of God belief. Each person has questions. So there are as many gods and religions as there are people attempting to define their beliefs.
            “DELUSIONAL BELIEF: THE WORLDS GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY” sk1951
            Thank You Frank for stimulating me to go into myself today. This days writing have proven to be most inspirational and inspiring to me. Much of what I write comes as a shock to my eyes as it appears on paper (or screen). There have been times in my life when my Spirit became too heavy and the learning too much for me and I have turned away. I have literally screamed “I don’t want to know anymore!” But I always come back and seek for more and each time the enlightenments come at an even faster pace. A bit masochistic in some ways I suppose but the enlightenments are too exciting to turn away from.
            I only hope that my weak feeble attempt to clarify my confusing confounding points [pointless?] of view…even if you now may more easily reject them and me…worked.
            Good or Bad or is it the obverse? Intentions can be construed or miss-construed as one for the other. Perception and judgment shapes each personal reality. When intentions; that are meant for the good; are rejected… it hurts. But then that is the challenge is it not?
            “Truly I wish I could abolish belief and opinion because so many think, what they think, is in fact, fact.”Sk1951
            Well if you got this far I may as well freak you out with this tidbit of news so you are heavily armed with “whack job” slanders to discount me with! *s* It’s OK…I’m very use to it and I understand it. I find insults humorous today. A good laugh is always good…even if at my own expense! But many insults only show me how horribly deluded, irrationally selfish self-centered and rude some people are. That I find very sad.
            So what truly are our truth detectors? Truth raises bumps on the skin and excites our Pineal gland producing natural DMT, this in turn produces a grand euphoric feeling (nirvana) that something wonderful and profound has been found or truth heard. These discoveries produce long lasting feelings of peace and security. Your body, soul and heart will tell you if it is true and real.

            Fight or flight, rage and anger comes from threats, deceit and lies producing insulin, adrenalin and a host of amino acids. This does not produce euphoria.
            Meditation is also said to produce nirvana. As well as chanting or listening to Theta Binaural Beat to tune your brain to the vibrating frequencies found all over the Universe. You will find the lower frequencies help attain mediation while the higher stimulate. Super Nova all have a different beat. Earth has an Alpha 9.6 Hz beat among others. Alpha wave is in everything and may very well be the language of the Universe. The contact is in the wave…like TV. Fun stuff to explore.
            So yes…our bodies are connected to Spirit via chemical processes from the “life force” that “we” are seeking to find understanding of…but has been known for thousands of years. Chemicals by themselves do not make us who and what we are. Spirit, this the reason I cannot be Atheist or Agnostic. They believe all that we are is in the chemistry. Our dimension [image] is biological and Spirit. Human Biological life is all about electricity, chemicals and Spirit. We seek to understand the how, why and reason of it.
            Wonderment and Curiosity: inherently human.
            “Once man turns from belief in governments, religions and gods he will begin to grow again and find that the heathens that believed in Spirit were right all along.” Sk1951
            Pineal Gland, DMT, Vatican Secrets ( Pine Cone Symbolism ). This vid a good start:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LALNDEYaWk0
            I posted this letter on my private blog. It is not internet searchable if you (or others) would care to remove this conversation from public view. http://sk1951.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/my-letter-to-frank/

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            Frank:
            You work to attribute right and wrong to what I say and you say. Projected thought from a view point cannot be wrong. A counter view point therefore can also not be wrong.

            Wrong would denote a misrepresentation of fact or law. I don’t believe I have projected any fact or law. I for the most part share what I have learned and enjoy sharing what I think others may enjoy learning. I simply look to expand my already huge wealth of misunderstandings to even higher levels of the irrationals. Pointing out that I am wrong is only an opinion. I truly pay little attention to opinions and in fact find them humorous or irritating but rarely divine profit from them.

            “Why is it that a fart only smells good to the emitter? Opinions are like that.” Sk1951

            Something or Nothing…it is the ongoing theory that I attempt to point out. The importance to study unseen powers, nothing and the irrationals. It is these questions that raise hypostasis, hypothesis and theory. With each new theory as the new stepping stone, we reach out again to the nothing and irrationals adding information to the theory which moves it up or down the ladder to fact or rejection. If a mind is closed only to law and facts and only working to further support laws and facts, what direction will they go? When a mind steps away to conjecture the irrationals a new theory immerges. It is the study of the unknowing and the nothing that is important to discovery and adding more proof to facts. Can we prove that everything started with something? Can we prove everything started from nothing? These questions are of the irrationals…but that does not invalidate nor negate their power and importance. Without the irrationals the steps would never happen. Irrational conjecture, hypothesis, theory, fact, law. There are many things that cannot be empirically tested so they will ever remain unknown or nothing in fact. The more I learn about what I don’t know or can never know, the deeper my level of understanding and enlightenment grows and the more open and accessible I become to Spirit.

            You question God and Spirit again. Your claim is that they are basically one and the same in reality and in description. That is your belief. This is a place we are Universes apart, unless you are saying that your God is 100% disjoined from religion or religious definition. Then yes…they are the same if you want.

            However!!!…I use the term Spirit because this was the first name used to describe the Universal Mind and Life Force found in original ancient writings and from these writings came; Gods and Bibles invented by man, used for religion. The common knowledge today is that if you believe in “God” than you also believe in and support religion. God is of and from religion and this is most certainly true.

            Therefore I use the term Spirit to make sure that the distinction of my faith is clearly defined. I do not have a belief in a Christian invented religious fundamental Bible defined God or a God of my invention. So when you pose “You are however fatally wrong in your assertion about what you believe.” I strongly counter most strenuously with “yes I do know what I believe.” I hope I did not scare you by being so forceful there!

            There is no “He” there is no “It” there is no “I AM” no religiosity or books or Christian calisthenics or bodies to eat or blood to drink or shrines to visit and pray to or holy virgins or silver and gold cities in the sky or evil pitch fork demons to fight or friary pits of hell to jump over no Gods that claim to do everything but never do anything no jihadist wars…there is only “IS”. You look inward not outward to a heaven. These are just a few differences. If you still choose to call this a religion…OK FINE! *s*

            You hypothecate that you don’t know any Christians that are irrational enough to believe the Bible stories as literal. I find it ironic or moronic that you so easily believe that you know what everyone is and believes and apparently can even speak for God. But if they do not believe fundamentally that makes them Biblically God agnostic and not Christian. You either believe in the literal word of God and the mythical stories or you do not. There is only one line in the sand to pass over. You either support and believe the delusion or you don’t. You appear to conjecturing a multitude of beliefs that there are many levels of religion religious belief and God entities but there can be only one true fundamental Christian belief. If they divide their own personal theories about a personal higher power that would make them an AA member of the lower religious churches.

            I think personal beliefs are what it was supposed to be anyway and I would be happy if everyone felt that way. I mean what does it matter who is inventing Gods? Just cuz some old guys did it…does that make there God any better than the ones we can invent today? One on one contact of the inner Spirit is where I am conjecturing from. But maybe like gold…god is where you find it and to each his own. But none of this is going to make a Fundie happy. I know if I invented a God he would be laughing at all this none sense. But man made Gods don’t seem to have much of a sense of humor because most Christians don’t either.

            You ask what are my damages from religion personally? To explain I have to define my Religious Supremist: One religion one belief supremacy. Any person not of their belief is moraly, ideologically and intellectually inferior, too uneducated and stupid to realize that God is real. Morality may only be attained thru their perfect belief in God. Fundamentalist. The Bible is the undisputable infallible literal in mythology and word given directly from their God. Their God the only God there is in the Universe. The world is static by design and God created. Any person not with God is a mortal enemy and should be treated as such. Everyone is welcome to beg forgiveness and join their religious cult. A belief that the irrational is rational, therefore reality and fact; which proves the existence of God; because it is written in a book.

            Today…my damages and the suffering every rational thinking person is having to deal with every day is the onslaught of religious bigotry, supremistism, sanctimoniousism holier than thoughism, smug faces and attitudism. You ask how I expect to gain respect from them? There is no way that any rational thinking person will. Their religion will not allow it. The religious only have respect for themselves and no one else…PERIOUD. I will hold my comments about how you have damaged me personally.

            I HATE BULLIES and liars; and that is all that religion has ever been. My damages long term are: What if religion had never happened and the sum of the world knowledge had been built on this last 2000 years instead of being burned or neutered. What if some of the greatest minds to have ever lived had not been murdered or alienated from society. What if there had been no holocausts of past and present…what would the world and my life be truly like today?

            I’m angry for every person including the Fundies but especially for the people that have suffered the horrible brain washing and religious delusion of mythological belief in religion. What would it be like if I had not fallen into the trap and suffered half my life in religiosity and now suffer the long term effects of cult purging that you can never totally heal from?

            I’m spending way to much time on these answers. That is stoopit.

          • Honestly

            sk1951…Please do not be concerned for us as believers of an Almighty God. Speaking for myself I am VERY comfortable with my beliefs and would not entertain any of the many explanations you have posted on this site. It does sadden me that you believe the way you do but the Word of God explains why you believe the way you do. You have chosen to believe the way you do. That right was given to you by your Creator, the Almighty God. He is such a gentleman that He will not impose Himself on you or anyone else. He gave us the free will to chose Him or ourselves and you have chosen yourself. More than anything I am glad that you posted “I give up”. However, I will continue to pray for you.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            I do not “worry” for Christians. I worry for the damage done by your ridiculous self-serving supremist belief doing more continued damage to the world and the minds of men women and children. The very definition of belief is one of delusional thinking. The true believer is proud of his ability to stand in the face of all reason and fact and discount it as faults to support mythology and an invented god to be factual and true…delusional realty. By your own definition prayer will do absolutely nothing so what are you praying for me for? You hope for more nothing to happen to me? You are a religion god apologist. The level of delusion reaches to your heavens itself in explaining why god does nothing and cannot do anything but has done everything and is doing everything even though you can’t see it…you must believe it because it is true. It says so in the book of fables. I will never give up when I think there is a person I can help get deprogramed from the cult of religiosity. But for now…for you…live your life however you want. But please I pray, don’t burn any more books or kill any more innocent none believers.

            “In the world of convoluted there can stand no challenger to religion.“

          • Honestly

            sk1951…It is very obvious that you are not capable of responding without being mean and vicious. That speaks for itself.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            It is obvious that you are closed minded and insulting also. You clearly understand that I am one of millions of people that do not believe in a mythological fairy tale God and I have further explained as fervently as possible that organized religion has produced the worst atrocity known to man and I am extremely upset and appalled by it. Yet you write to me with wishes and prayers of religion and a God of war of man-made invention and wish for me to find the error of my ways. This is the problem with separation of believers and none believers. Believers want and demand respect and arrogantly air religious public displays and prayer everywhere. But regard with horror and condescension the none belief of organized religion of others. Where is the fairness and equality in that? Christianity demands respect for principal beliefs but give none in return. I am not “insulting” I only bring facts to light and explain my belief. You may CHOOSE to view my words as insulting simply because they are none supporting of your organized religious belief. But you could also view my words as caring and concerned even thankful for the time and effort I take to bring factual information to the table. You have not given me one instance of respect. You (and all sanctimonious religious) have shown no interest in sharing the responsibility of the then and now of religious jihad and holocaust slaughter. It is the same as those that refuse to recognize that the German Christian supremist holocaust is real and that we must learn from it and do all we can to avoid it from happening again. And religion past and present is all about supremacy and assimilation…this is scary! If there was a true peace loving God…organized religion destroyed him. No…I truly am not personally insulting. Insulting is objective and if I truly have been I fervently apologies because this certainly is not my intent. I truly am not a mean spirited guy and there are many people that love me dearly. But I and all the other millions of none believers have been and continue to be insulted demonized and called amoral. As Frank would say “I can’t be apologetic” just because I do not believe in organized religion or biblical mythology. I admit I write with a very sharp pen. I truly hate the fact that my words may cause hurt or pain. But I have desperately tried for many years to share with believers attempting to find a way to come to an understanding that we must all live in this world together but to no avail. I simply cannot hold back any longer so now I just say it like it is and hope for the best. The time for respect to start going both ways is NOW! To wait any longer is going to cost us ALL dearly in life, liberty and possibly the loss of our Nation. Freedom to believe in religion was not intended to mean the religious have the right to take us over. The Republic stood for equality under the law of the land, not the cross of the church. We will have to get past the arguments of what we DO NOT believe and find some common grounds of what we DO believe before real respect may ensue. I do not write to slander or beat down. But come on…thousands of years of horrible separation and empirically tested atrocities is enough already! The “perceived” war against God and the none believer is a myth. The war of proselytization bigotry and religions racism is not. Have you considered what will happen when Sharia and Islam is a true and real threat to this Nation? Do you think the religious and none religious “Americans” will stand together or will this ridiculous fight allow the true enemy of American freedom to take us over?

          • Honestly

            sk1951…You have furthered my case again as I am sure you will continue to do if you choose to respond again.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            Is that your opinion or one of your mythological facts?

          • Honestly

            sk1951… Indisputable fact, based on your responses. Anyone but you can see this. If you doubt it re-read all of your mean and vicious posts and responses from you and to others. It is so sad and I am sorry for you whether you want me to be or not. Only you can change you, but you will have to deal with your anger at everyone for not believing the way you do. It just boils over in almost all that you post. We are entitled to believe the way we chose and you do not have the right to continually try to cram your beliefs and belittle us for ours. FIY, Another choice I have is to not respond to anymore of your posts and I am going to exercise that choice. I have better things to do that “cast my pearls before swine”.

          • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

            Incredibly you are so self-deluded that you have projected onto me what you truly are which is a religions proselytizing bigoted one god fits all racist. Every post I made point to the fact that what a person believes is irrelevant to me. But I will stand up to organized religion and its atrocities every chance I get. If there be a good of goodness and mercy…religion killed him. I am not sorry for you but I am sorry for the people that come in contact with you that you may led down your path of delusion. And as I also have said…I have no belief…belief is irrational and delusional.

  • http://none Jim Winkels

    The discussion about a God was very interesting. I prefer to view “God” as our “Creator”. Does anyone think our incredible universe started from a source other than a “Creator”? We are “peanuts” in a wonderful universe obviously created by a power far greater than any of us can comprehend! Several years ago a retired atheist college science teaching professor was watching a TV discussion about “creation”. He then realized that he/we can’t even create dirt! This caused him to become a Christian. I’d like to hear some one explain how “we” got here if there wasn’t a “creator” of our vast universe!

    • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

      You get entangled in the chicken and the egg thing. I think a belief in anything is great as long as it is benign and none religious. We are curious creatures but some things will just never be answered. But it is fun to question.

    • Honestly

      Jim Winkels… Praise God he has been redeemed…

  • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

    John J. says:
    December 25, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    SK1951, you are perfectly describing the Roman Catholic Church. However, you are mistaken about one thing. Catholic is not now, nor ever has been, Christian which is why the Vatican murdered over 50 million Christians in the Spanish Inquisition for having Bibles or parts of Bibles. The Vatican also had true Christians murdered in the Crusades. Today, the murdering isn’t done openly and the preferred method of conquest is through infiltration. Roman Catholicism, like all other false religions, is good works and membership based. Satan always has his counterfeits and Roman Catholicism is probably the biggest counterfeit Christian organization there is.

    John: I understand Christian theory and it has nothing to do with religion. But I do not understand of what religion you speak of that you believe in? I would truly enjoy learning of a none god based christian religion.

  • http://sk1951.wordpress.com sk1951

    wondering why?

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