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Missouri law would restrict education for illegal immigrants

April 23, 2009 by  

Missouri law would restrict education for illegal immigrantsThe Missouri House of Representatives has cleared a law that would bar illegal aliens from attending public colleges in the state.

The House voted 125-30 to approve the bill which has now been sent to the Senate, according to the Associated Press.

The vote is part of an ongoing debate across the country regarding immigration reform, and in particular the extent of publicly funded benefits that illegal immigrants should be entitled to.

Earlier this week, the College Board, an association of 5,000 schools, released a report that calls for federal legislation that would grant in-state college tuition, financial aid and legal status to many illegal immigrants in the U.S.

Called the Dream Act, the law would allow students who have lived in the U.S. since the age of 15 to apply for legal residence upon graduation from high school.

However, not everyone agrees with this approach.

"It’s a massive amnesty effort being laid for this fall," said Bob Dane, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which seeks to restrict immigration, quoted by KBTX.com.

"Since many of these illegal aliens and their families are overwhelmingly on the lower end of the economic scale, they’re going to take the lion’s share of need-based financial aid."

Currently, 10 states allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition for public colleges.
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  • Estoban

    We are a consensual society under a Constitution that provides rights, freedoms and the mechanics to create laws that we citizens live by. Citizens accept that breaking our laws results in proscribed punishments and full jails testify to the fact. An unholy alliance of lawbreaking illegal aliens, criminal employers and elected officials that look the other way are hypocrites and anarchists. They feel that they can pick and choose which laws are convenient for them to follow and willingly break those that are personally inconvenient. This breaks down our admired legal system and works against the rule of law that we depend upon for our daily safety and national security. All lawbreaking illegal aliens should be deported, all criminal employers should be jailed and elected officials that have failed to carry out their oath of office to defend the Constitution and our laws should be fired, voted out of office, impeached and perhaps charged with criminal dereliction of duty. The 1986 amnesty was a total failure. Never again!

    • Robin from Indiana

      Wow! Well said! I believe you have nailed it! I have kids who soon will be in college and I would hate to think that any help we could get to further their education would be going to those who are not even here legally. I also agree with what you said about those who are in power pick and choose which laws they care to follow. I know that my husband and I would not be allowed to do the things they do. Actually, not that we would to. We are all for laws and following them. It’s just too many do not feel this way….

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Question is, is why do we have laws in this country if we arent going to enforce them and use them. Doesnt “Illegal” mean illegal? If an illegal shows up to work, to court, at a traffic accident, to apply for something, they should immediately be taken to jail, and escorted out of the country. The borders need to be enforced to keep them from coming back over. Mexico purposely sends their criminals and sick over here because they dont want to deal with them. Weve got to stop letting them in, even if it comes to shooting them down. If people say that is cruel, well my reply would be that they shouldnt be breaking the law. I mean if I break into some guys house and he shoots me, hey, I would think that maybe it might be my fault this happened. Eh? Yes, what ever happened to being held accountable for our actions? When they knowingly and willingly enter into these areas, make it clear they will be shot, and I know for a fact a lot of this bull crap would stop, but since we always have to play so nice because were the United States, we turn our head and let them run in as many as they want. So now weve got millions of them all over the place, and weve got mayors and congressman that are supportive of them and protective of them, because somehow these illegals get to vote for these guys that help them break the law, and its all a vicious ugly circle, because we didnt do the right thing in the first place, and stop them before they got here. When the Germans and Italians came here, they did it legally, and they were dying to become Americans, to learn English and to work here and stay here, and make a family atmosphere here. These new illegals dont give a crap about the United States, they come here illegal and are allowed to stage protests, when the authorities know they are illegal, they refuse to learn english, and our own government forces our citizens to learn THEIR LANGUAGE to help them. What is the matter with this picture? Its unbelievable. Nikita Kruschev once said Russia could take over the United States without firing a single shot, well I tell you what, Mexico is well on its way to taking over the United States without firing a single shot. They allready got Southern California, New Mexico, Arizona, and are working on Texas. The Arabs own Detroit and are working on other big cities. Our government, who had and has the power to fix this, just keeps looking the other way. Shame on all of you, and shame on all us voters who keep electing these career politicians in the good old boys network. They need to go now, its the only chance weve got.

        • MOM

          Well said Mark. My family and my extended family of 39 1st cousins agree 100% with you. No we are not Mormon, we are not hispanic. We are 2nd generation from the Netherlands. My grandparents were FORCED to learn English and how the American government functions. My grandparents and parents built schools, churches, banks, freeways, huge construction projects.
          Yes they worked HARD and LONG and loved what they did. The family worked together. All the children had to answer phones, clean offices, wash trucks, do office work and we learned from it. And today we are giving away freebies to those who have not EARNED IT!!

          But today the environmentalists have everyones hands tied and you can’t do a thing if you don’t PAY the ante. Entrepreneurism has been locked down. Now the U.S. doesn’t have any great things happening because a select few want to control you. Well we won’t have it. Watch out there is a movement forming!! Again thanks Mark!!!

        • Veronica

          Veronica from Nevada …Wow, Mark you said it all ….I couldn’t agree more. and for you ( Mark Mom ) , my family came to the US first generation and we have to learn English just like everybody else . I am very proud to be American and my coutry my heritage ,English is a primary language so learned if you don’t than get it heck out of my country. This is United Sate, not ( Mexico , France or Russisa , China etc…. ) . The problem we have have here is the Goverment , they brain wash the people keep them in the dark so they will work the rest of their life and paid and paid for them to live well.. my husband and I are Entrepreneur we work very hard and we both earned it and create job for people , well the goverment took that away from us , and shut down all the small business you know what that is call sosiolisim .. wake up America’s can you see that is what the goverment want , the power , the greed … they will run this coutry down to the ground

          • http://noneofyourbusiness none of your business

            shame on you ,, if you are mexican and you want to stay in america if they split you to go back mexican how would you feel like that .. this is same my feeling.. think ABOUT IT !!. i am really disspointing

        • Pam

          You said it right, does not illegal mean illegal, why do we have laws if not to inforce, hello. Just because an illegal has been in the US for 15 years, so what they were illegal for 15 years and got away with it. Laws are put in place for a reason, our Country is broke, we can not afford any more freebees. It is time we start taking care of our own, we have so many people out of work, no health care and the list goes on. When is it our turn!!!!

        • http://jacquedesigns.com Jacquelyn

          You are absolutely right — and I wonder what Obama thinks will happen when all those he thinks can afford to foot the bill, can no longer foot the bill. Where will we be then?
          The question is, how can we supercede the wrong turns he is taking?

        • Ken

          I agree. What really makes me sick are the employers who give these illegals jobs. Why are we NOT putting heavy fins on them? I say force and employer to pay a fine of $2000.00 per day per Illegal caught working for him. Example: An employer is caught knowingly employing 2 Illegals for 60 days. That will cost him $240000.00. Why not? When there are no more jobs for illegals they will stop coming. They are coming now because they know they will get a job.

    • Linda

      This also brings to mind that it also happens with the Bible. Some folks like to pick and choose what laws in the Bible they should follow. We as Christians if it’s in the Bible it’s there for a reason.

      Back to the point at hand, Illegal aliens. I hope that there will be folks out there that will be running for office in 2010 will have the guts to tell the illegals “Do not vote for me, I do not want you here.” I am tired of you draining our country, over crowding our hospitals, basically taking from the real Americans. Go back to where you came from!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Amen Linda. You know, I dont mind if someone from another Nationality wants to come here, but go through the process that those before you went through. Learn english to make you more apt to fit in and succeed here. Dont expect us to learn your language to communicate. I dont go to Mexico and expect them to speak english to make me more comfortable. Get registered and be legal, dont come to a new country and break the law immediately to get in it. Work, pay your taxes, and dont take from the government without actually putting some into it. That is a recipe for disaster that hurts us all, and all you millions of illegals are hurting all the cities you illegally are living in, as you are taking out and taking out, and not putting back in.

      • Veronica

        Linda , what is wrong with this pictures you and I are working to paid the Illegals Aliens not just Mexican but any nationality , I am so sick of this BS and how our country run by the good old boys and the politicians ( like Mark said ), but meanwhile my husband and I do not have health care we have to buy our own and our tax dollars to paid for the Illegals Aliens .My god this is out of control, what is happening to our coutry ??

    • Walter Jones

      AMEN!!!!!!!!

      • Greg

        And all of you are Christians?, mmmh Ilegal?… just think a little bit what Jesus would say about you BS, you people are not better than the extremist muslams.
        Practice what you preach.
        What if Jesus comes back in a immigrant (illegal) men?…Read you Bible Practice what is there, remember you have to love even your enemmies..
        God bless you people…

        • Walter Jones

          As soon as someone has no rational social impact sense they try the religion guilt trip approach.We may face a judgement from ahigher court one day,but for now it is the majority will of the people that counts.

        • Walter Marciniak

          Greg,
          Jesus said “Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars”. I fyou knew anything about christianity you would not make such an inane comment.
          You are welcome to worship your mess-iah the Kenyan.

    • Brenda

      Go Estoban!!!

      Well said!!!

    • GELewis

      Well GOOD 4 Mizzo——-I hope it passes & other states follow Its lead

    • Howard

      Estoban- You have it right….

  • Quint

    The more things that are offered to illegal aliens, only increases the number that come here. The only way that tuition breaks should be given to illegals, is if they take that education back to where they came from, to better thier homeland.

    If we continue to allow poor illegals to enter this country, the drag on the “safety net” we have for our poor, increases, and will lead to one of two things. First, we increase the size of the net, which causes us as a whole to lose more of what we’ve worked to earn, and thus creating more poor people. Or, we stretch the net thinner, making the poor, poorer.

    We have a hard enough time getting our poor out of the basement. Bringing in more poor people doen’t help anyone, except those that have chosen to break our laws.

    • Howard

      Quint— You probably agree, but the US needs to enforce the laws on the book, but the thugs in Congress will adulterate themselves for voter gain….. The answer it to throw all of congress out, then send folks to DC that actually want America back as a law abiding Country.

  • Wanda G.B.

    Congress failed to enforce our immigration laws and are poised to make things worse by passing a “Dream Act” that will usher in another, larger round of immigration.

    “Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.” – Adam Smith, economist and ethicist

    Everything you need to know about immigration and what to do about it humorously told.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBw1nUlf38I

    (Roy Beck and NumbersUSA are the “gumball” heroes)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

  • Chris Arceneaux

    All illegal aliens need to be deported no matter which country they came from! We can not support the population of the world in this country. There are no jobs that Americans want do, it is that the employers would rather pay illegals less than minimum wage and not have to proved benefits, leaving the taxpayers the pay for their education and medical care. They like to go the ER when they get sick and don’t pay raising health care cost far us.

    • Howard

      Looks like this is one of the root causes of why our medical system has gotten so beat up….. Caring for all the puppies and cats that walk into the ER…. Why should they not have to go the local Doctors offices like we do, and pay their fair share….. Answer—–Too many bleeding heart Socialists re-designing my and your life… The bureaucrats in the Democratic Socialist System wants to play doctor and tell you what you can have or not have….. And this is what the big O wants

  • Frank Seymour

    Thank God Missouri is at least one state that realizes we need to let these illegal aliens/immigrants know there are teeth in some of our laws! Now all we have to do is convince the Federal government to start sinking our teeth into enforcing our Constitution! If the Feds were to enforce our Constitution, more than likely, most of the illegal aliens would pack up and go back to where they came from! I would HOPE!

    • David

      I am glad Missouri has the guts to stand up to politically correct idiots who are trying to throw our country into chaos. Hispanic people are not discriminated against in Missouri, but those that are here illegally do not get the benefits that should go to legal residents. Armenian Genocide: During the early 1900′s the government in Armenia encouraged muslim Kurds to settle legally or illegally in Armenia where a large Christian population resided. Within a short time, it is my understanding that the government approved the genocide of Christians and Jews residing in Armenia by the muslims. In one village alone 30,000 Christians and Jews were purged from existence. Isn’t this what our own government is trying to do? If enough illegal aliens and muslims can immigrate here they can soon be rewarded for killing all the loyal Americans who are in opposition to the new liberal regime. Check it out… Hitler did and commented that the incident/planned killing in Armenian was soon “forgotten” by the world thus letting him know that there would be limited reprimand for what he was then contemplating…the genocide of the Jews. Think about it…

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        You know though, I believe in you reap what you sew. It wasnt long ago, that white man came to American, and killed the American Indians and ran them off THEIR land, with no respect for the land, the animals or the culture that was there for hundreds of years before them. Now this new band of illegals come here and are doing the same thing, and we dont like it. They are totally disrepectful of our culture, our language, our heritage and everything about us, much like we were to the American Indian. Only difference is, is our own government is helping them take over and destroy us, instead of nipping this in the bud before it escalates much more out of control. To the American Indian, I am so sorry for what my ancestors did to you, and how this country that I love, The United States of America, has not recognized your plight and the peril we have caused upon you. All I hear is the prejudice towards blacks, and blacks prejudice towards whites, the prejudice towards asians, mexicans, middle easterns, but why do I not hear about the most prejudiced of all races, the American Indian? Why? This is truly their country, not the white man, of which I am one, not the so called African-American, which has about about as much to do with africa as my white butt does, not the mexican, the middle eastern the asian or anyother races. This is the land of the American Indian, and I think maybe they should be recognized as such. Again, my Indian brothers, I for one am truly sorry for what we have done to you and to your land.

        • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Mark, No need to apologize “White Brother” we are still around after nearly 600 years. This Native is just enjoying the three ring circus. A million “kudos” to Missouri, “Algonquin” meaning People of the Big Canoes. Perhaps the rest of the nation should follow in stride, “States Rights” you know.
          I live in Southeast Arizona (Little Springs) right on the border with Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico, this town is known as the sieve for Illegal Aliens, OTMs, and Cocaine Drug Tunnels. Need I say that the former Governor of Ariz. Janet Napolitano now the Secretary of Homeland Security, selected our former Mayor as her Chief Advisor on Borderland Security for Arizona, an OTM (Lebanese derivation) born right here in Douglas. That’s a story in itself. (And by the way my wife just about an hour or so ago waved at a police officer and directed him to an area just around where we live and hiding there were 6 young Illegals.) We have more Borderland Security Officers in this town than you can shake off of a giant tree. A virulent invasion of our national sovereignty not to mention the financial circumstances, a political inherent EVIL. For all of you out there, get a copy of and read the book written by Lee Morgan III, “The Reaper’s Line” it’s one read that will wake you up “Pronto”. I can keep going for a long time, however I will leave you with this Creed,
          Manifest Destiny ” If the truth of the White Man is made up of what his people, are to believe, accept, and practice, and this can be proven to be a Total Lie, then the real truth has to be a lie. So; the Lie is a Truth and the truth is a lie.
          What can the intellectual system of the White Man hope to gain other than TOTAL SLAVERY.
          Would you be able to face the real truth of his religions, educational systems or his idealogies?
          Keep this in mind, the White Man has it down to a common equation, where it touches every religion, race and nation in the world, except; the Traditional Indians of North and South America, who understand the mystery of the GREAT LAW. Even when one dies, this lie has its purpose, because to awaken in the so called world beyond, one would open his/her eyes into a TOTAL VOID! This is the Creed of the Indigenous, To seek, search, hope, or wonder of what happens after human death, is not my problem. To wonder how far this LIE, affects a person’s life, is a White Man’s problem. For I am born FREE from this LIE. I can awake each day, as the SUN rises and say;
          “It’s a Great Day to Die” Written by a Dakota Savage Meredith Quinn.

          Today we have a President that is practicing and promoting this LIE, their is a political force behind all of this beyond your imagination, read “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”, it’s a mind blower. Moreover, Information, knowledge and understanding of Our Constitution and all that we stand for is vital. We Indians have but only one country to fight for and defend against Domestic and Foreign Enemies, that country is Indian Country, The United States of America. That is why we volunteer and enlist in the U.S. Arms Forces, the Pima Indian, Ira Hayes is one of the Marines raising the Flag upon reaching the summit of Surabachi at the battle of Iwo Jima. My good friend Jim Foster (Dineh) Navajo to you. is a living Code Talker WWII.
          We too, are concerned about Illegals and the resources taken away from our children. Let’s not leave out the damages these Illegals do to the Indian Reservation environments.
          Whatever State you are living in and reading this, it’s “Rally Time”. Politicians of all sorts don’t give a darn about Americans, only that which stuffs their wallets, WE KNOW. Vote them out this next 2010 election. We in Arizona have maked our throw outs.
          For God and Country

        • Leo

          Kinda late.

        • Howard

          The apology should go to God first Since He built it first….. If Americans want their land (Country) back, then simply read II Chronicles, 7-14…. It tells Americans (of all race and culture) what to do and that God will return the land to us…. O, I forgot….. This statement is probably not Politically Correct to a few nuts…. Oh well, read it anyway and follow the instructions…. You will not believe what is says…

  • Patti

    I always loved Missoui they are my kind of people,Not like crapped out New Jersey the only thing New Jersey can do is raise your taxes so they can educate the illegal alien( I said illegal not undocumented because thats what they are no matter what the Politician says)Now if the rest of the country gets on board then we will have no illegal problem,and we all will have more money in our pockets where it belongs.

    • Rhonda

      Patti:
      Calling and “ILLEGAL alien” an “undocumented citizen” is like calling a “drug dealer” an “unlicensed pharmicist”.

      I agree with you totally.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yes indeed, kinda like them calling the terrorists “insurgents”. Right.

      • Howard

        No, your right…. The Illegal is Still An Illegal thug who violated US law to break into our Country. Throw them back across the river and let them come in and apply like all other great immigrants that believes in law and order.

  • Linda

    Right on Missouri, good job. Those folks should be commended for a job well done. Thank God for ONE state to do the right thing.

    • Veronica

      Yes Job well done for Missouri about time !!

  • dale miller

    I see 100% of responders, myself included, are in favor of enforcing our current immigration laws and against any sort of “amnesty”. Why then, are all of the people in DC sitting on their brains. Democracy? Looks more and more like anarchy to me. Tea parties might have made some of us feel good for a day or two but the whole federal government was laughing up their sleeves. Armed revolt? Probably not in my lifetime but I see no other way to clean out the snakes nest of politicians who are elected to serve we the people and only work toward their own advancement. Voting for absolutely NO incumbents may clean it up eventually. depressed in ca

    • Linda

      I’m with you Dale, I live in Sacto and it sucks. The people sitting on their brains don’t think they work for us. They think that because they are in office that they are the ones that make the laws for us. We need to get rid of them, from Pelosi on down and around. We need to get rid of Feinstein as well. Not too sure about Boxer. Her name hasn’t come up much, she must be up for re-election as well.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I feel sorry for you Californians, as you are loaded with these liberal do nothings. Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Frank, Newsom, it goes on and on. The illegal problem there has your state so far in debt, that I dont see a way out. They have grown so thick there, that the hispanics are holding seats in your government all over the state, that they all rally these guys to vote for them, and it keeps growing. As long as youve got liberals who seek to appease everyone, this is what you will get. Too many beautiful people living out there for me. The hollywood crowd is so out of it, they havent a clue about anything. Just give them another pill and a drink and theyre happy.

        • Veronica

          That is so true Mark, the hollywood is so far gone they don’t care and don’t have a clue because the law do not apply to them .

          we will keep praying for our country because in the Bible said ( if anyone read the Bible ) it is come to the End ..

    • Howard

      Thank the Democratic based congress with a few stupid Republicans included for not doing their jobs that the Constitution demands…… Just look at the top 10 who influence what the remainder of Congress does…. Leaders, or Judas Goats?

  • http://windowslive julie sossaman

    we should not be paying for other children that are not us citizens. we need to help the children of america first our education systems is so bad we need to worry about our children first

  • mattie

    It is plain and simple… Not a member of the club? No benefits…..

    Want to be a member…. Play the game and by the rules…join……….

    Time for a TEA party……. Thanks Estoban………….

    • Howard

      It IS time for the July 4th TEA PARTY to send the right message to government. Apparently they have forgotten WHY the FIRST TEA PARTY was held. The People TAKE BACK what the politicians have taken from us….

  • http://none Dale

    Simple solution – Stop the handouts! If the illegals had to pay non-resident fees without any subsidy (tuition, housing, food, etc.) much of the problem would be self regulating.

    • Walter Jones

      Dead on!!! In addition, why don’t we stop all foreign aid until we resolve our economic problems.

    • Howard

      You are right Dale….. It is just simple arithmatic…..

  • KATHLEEN LAKE

    Yeah Missouri the show me state–about time this issue is addressed. We the people are having a hard enough time without supporting illegals in our school systems on our tax dollars as well as their health care and legal complications.
    Not enough to do the good for Legal citizens that we would like to do such as improving schools & health care with budgeted tax dollars !

  • Ron

    I hear what you are all saying. Illegal aliens are a big problem because they are destroying our system. They are hurting the poor and the middle-class which are the backbone of this country. At the same time, most of them are good people and we just can’t turn our backs on them. (especially the children.) So what is the solution?

    • Michelle

      Yes we can turn our backs on them and so we should – I agree with everyone else on this page, stop giving them handouts and they will stop coming here illegally, instead of feeling sorry for their children feel sorry for our American children that are being tossed by the wayside so we could feed, Medicate, house and educate them, it is their parents responsibility to feed and and raise them not the United States Of America, No one fed and raised my Children nor would I want them to, I had them I pay for them……..

      • Veronica

        Michelle , yes I agree we can turn our back , who’s is going to help us when I need it??? you know what is so sad I got sick and went to the ER , and the nurse ask me do I have Health insurance and I said No , but we are cash patient witch I paid in full what ever the bill or statement , she ask me to seat over there and wait and I have to take care this Mexican family fist but they do not have Insurance and no money either and they have a person to translater for them and I am sure they are Illegal Aliens , Oh I tell you I was so angry so to answer that NO I don’t care or have feeling for them.

        • Michelle

          Hi Veronica, I am so sorry that happened to you, your story is not unique – NO it should not have happened that is what I am so angry about , to your question about who will help us when we need it? I am sorry to say No One!!! the unfortunate truth is that if you are an American you will get nothing because all of our rescources are used up by the Illegal Alian s in the country so there is NOTHING left over for us Americans. I also want to say that sometimes there are circumstances that we have no control over and you should be able to as an American be able to get the help you need until you can pay it back but at a much needed discount if you have no insurance but I guess that is too much to ask. I say all of the big fat Liberals out there get your Soailist butts together and redistribute your wealth to take care of the illegals seeing how you all are the one’s that want them here so bad – you Pay for them!!!!! and let them live in your backyards……………

    • IDIOTS R EVERYWHERE

      RON…
      GET YOUR INDOCTRINATED HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT. they are here ILLEGALLY. they have NO rights in america (except the right to be DEPORTED). the time to feel sorry for the illegal’s is way past. i’m not turning my back on them…I JUST WANT THEM TO GO HOME (wherever that is).

    • Howard

      Make sure their parents KNOW the Rules that You & I had to abide by… Sorry about the children, but, from their standpoint, their children are their ticket….. Terrible to say, but that’s how it is…..Like it or not….

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    I live in Indiana, you know , the middle of the country, and weve got these guys running around all over here too. Shoot, 13 years ago I worked a summer as a laborer on highway road crews, and It was me and 12 illegal aliens that barely understood english. They come here, work 4 or 5 years, save 10 thousand dollars, and go back to Mexico and buy a 100 acre ranch with 50 cows and live like a rich man the rest of their lives. All the money they make here goes back there also, as they live 15 to 20 in a house, which isnt good for the economy either. Something has to be done about companies that hire these guys. Put a few out of business with a huge fine and it will stop. Then they will resort to crime, so weve pretty much got to stop them at the border before they even get here.

    • SUSIE

      MARK, I TOO LIVE IN INDIANA…..DID YOU GO TO THE TEA PARTY? I DID AND TOOK MY GRANDDAUGHTER…SHES 10… SHE KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY AND OUR STATE . ..
      HERE IN INDY…I HAVE HAD ENCOUNTERS WITH THE ILLEGALS…MY HUSBANDS EX WIFE MARRIED ONE AND OVER 5 YEARS WE FIND OUT HE WAS MOLESTING HER….THAT IS THERE CULTURE…MY DAUGHTER SINGLE PARENT LIVING IN APT IN GREENWOOD….SHE HAD HER 3 KIDS AT HOME WITH HER WHEN ONE BARGED IN HER APT AND PHYSICALLY GRABBED HER AND MY GRANDSON…I CALLED OUR WONDERFUL IMPD AND THEY GOT HIM (BARELY) HE WAS HIDING IN NEIGHBORS APARTMENT…ALONG WITH 5 OTHERS…BUT THEY GOT HIM…AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE POLICE OFFICER HAD THE ODASITY TO TELL MY DAUGHTER????? MAM YOU ARENT GONNA LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY BUT HE DID WHAT HE DID BECAUSE HE THOUGHT YOU WERE PRETTY…. SO I SAID …..SO DOES THAT GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO COME INTO MY DAUGHTERS HOME AND SCARE AND PUT HIS HANDS ON MY DAUGHTER AND GRANDKIDS…MY GRANDKIDS WERE SCARED AND CRYING AT THE TIME…AND THE RESPONSE FROM IMPD….WELL YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HES NOT FROM AROUND HERE…!!!!!!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? I WENT OFF ON THAT OFFICER AND I WAS ALMOST ARRESTED HE SAID MAM YOU HAD BETTER STOP RIGHT NOW….
      JUST A MONTH AGO 3 TEENAGE GIRLS IN GREENWOOD WERE RAPED BY ILLEGAL MEXICANS….I HAVE WROTE TO EVAN BAYH ,,, ALL CONGRESSMAN…ITS BULLSHIT…WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING …I GOT SOME BUMPERSTICKERS FROM CAFEPRESS….YOU GOT TO GET SOME…THERE GREAT…I HAVE ON MY CAR….IT SAYS REPORT BUSINESSES WHO HIRE ILLEGALS ..AND ANOTHER THAT SAYS ILLEGALS COST WORKING AMERICANS 20 BILLION DOLLARS IN TAXPAYER MONEY…YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE THE LOOKS I GET ….LOL..I LOVE IT…IT HAS PHONE NUMBERS TO CALL AS WELL….HOPEFULLY WHILE IM OUT ON THE ROAD…PEOPLE WILL JOT DOWN THAT NUMBER AND PUT IT TO GOOD USE…BUT AFTER THE SITUATION WITH MY DAUGHTER AND GRANDKIDS…THEY LOCAL AUTHORITIES WONT DO ANYTHING…OUR COUNTRY IS GOING DOWN THE TUBE…OBAMA HAS GOT TO GO ….I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS MAN ….I DIDNT WASNT MY FAULT…ITS GONNA GET WORSE PEOPLE….WE GOTTA STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS BEFORE THEY ARE TAKING AWAY…WHICH THAT IS IN THE WORKS…I HAVE A SON WHO FIGHTS FOR OUR COUNTRY …AND ITS SAD…HES DOING WHAT HE THINKS IS RIGHT BUT IN THE MEANTIME OUR GOVERNMENT IS PUTTING OUR COUNTRY IN DANGER…ITS SAD….SHAKING HANDS WITH THE WORST ANTI AMERICAN PERSON IN THIS WORLD….BRACE YOURSELF PEOPLE…IN FACT I MAY BE REACHING BUT DONT YOU THINK ITS FUNNY HOW NOW THE SWINE FLU CAME ABOUT…AFTER OBAMA HANGS OUT WITH THE PRES OVER THERE…I THINK THE GOVT. STARTED THIS….AND WONT CLOSE OUR BORDERS???? DOES THAT TELL YOU ANYTHING PEOPLE? IF SOME OF US GET THIS AND DIE WE WONT GET UNEMPLOYMENT…SPREAD THE WEALTH AND THE DISEASES…. THINK ABOUT IT…

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yep, I know what you mean Susie. I was working as the maintenance man at an upscale shopping center here in Fort Wayne, and this illegal came out of this bar/restaurant drunk, driving without a license or insurance and tried going out the in side of the entrance, and when cars came, he tried to drive over the dividing island, and knocked over a tree and got stuck. When the state trooper who the shopping center pays to “moon light” as security comes over, he finds out the guys is an illegal alien that lives in the gang infested apartments down the road, and he calls him a tow truck to pull his car out, and lets him go. I ask the guy why, and he says ” you dont want to stir those guys up, or theyll come back here and vandalize the plaza”. I about crapped my pants. I ask the guy , “so if that was me that did this, pulling out all drunk, and running over a tree that ended up costing 600 bucks to replace, what would happen to me?” He says Id get arrested and go to jail, because I have a job and Id go to drunk driving school, and Id have to pay for the tree, because I have the means to. But these illegals, dont have any traceable income or own property, so they just let them go. It is bullshit, and Ill tell you what, one day not to far down the road, Americans are going to get fed up with our government looking the other way, and its going to be open season on mexicans and those urine colored dudes from the middle east that run around here as sleepers. I can get no government assistance for my children to go to college, but these bastards get medical free, education free, they can break the law and nothing is done. What the hell has happened here, besides liberalism taking over. This is a result of the liberal left, who have made it so you cant take action or say anything publicly against anyone except a Christian, a Catholic or a Jew. Pretty soon a preacher wont be allowed to say gay is against Gods word, which in fact it is, but our liberal democrats are going to make it so that if you speak this truth, it is a hate crime. If you speak out against a muslim, even though they have vowed over and over again, on tv and in newspapers, that they want us dead and wont stop until were dead, if you speak out against them, its a hate crime. But they cant hate on America all they want, and its protected. What? How in the hell can you bastards in government sleep at night, doing this shit to your own people? The democrats are some dangerous cats, really dangerous. They are the reason we have these problems.

        • http://worl Greg

          For most of you guys wach the Obama deception movie by Alex Jones.. I liked because looks like The new world order it is here there is nothing you can do but cry.
          Remember the Mayas Predictions after 2012 the world will be different and perhaps One world Government…

  • http://PersonalLiberyDigest Gypsy

    I have many frustrations concerning illegal alien issues:

    The link below is free financing, in only one hospital, for illegal aliens. Magnify that by a few thousand more illegals, in states all over the country, and do the math yourself. No wonder many hospitals are shutting down.

    When a US Citizen has private insurance, there is no way they would be able to have a hospital stay for any length of time before someone in an official capacity would say that our time is up – we have to leave the hospital, or pull the plug. This happened to a family member. Health insurance companies have a cap on what they will pay for, and length of time. Medicaid & Medicare also have limits on stays in the hospital…….But an illegal alien has more rights & able to get more aid? We should be so lucky!

    Add to this: The Dream Act – that will bring MORE illegals to the US on the basis of the age qualification they are throwing in this bill, to sweeten it up for them. President Obama’s illegal aunt is still living here, while getting every free handout that many US Citizens are denied! Why can’t he share HIS wealth & see to it that she goes through the legal channels, & finance her stay here, instead of giving us, the tax payers, the burden? Please watch this testimony given by a nurse, at a formal hearing. Here she outlines illegal alien medical costs at the hospital she works at, in Florida.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI

  • ONTIME

    Someone point out in the U.S. Constitution where it says that we are to pay for anything any illegal wants…..they are border jumpers, criminals and not entitled to anything but a trip back to their own country and a chance to come here legally.

    You can bet their native homeland would not tolerate you for long if you broke their laws.

  • Judith Tiedemann

    I consider myself to be pretty Liberal, but when it comes to the issue of Immigration, I tend to feel that the United States’ policies are way too lax.
    The reason people come here these days is different than when my Parents immigrated here in the early 40′s. At that time, Immigrants came here to assimilate and to make a better life for themselves. It is my observation that most of the people who migrate here now, come for all the wrong reasons. Yes, most leave their countries because they have no rights, but they mostly come to the U.S. because they can bring their entire families, all live in one house, and take advantage of all the Programs originally set up to assist people in getting on their feet after personal difficulties or emergencies have arisen in their lives. It would be so simple to be compassionate and at the same time stem the flow of Illegal Immigrants into this country.
    First, they must have a Sponsor who is a Legal Citizen, and will sign for and be responsible for them.
    Second, they must learn the History, Customs, and most importantly, the Language of this country. Then be tested, pass the test, and be sworn in as a Legal Citizen of the United States of America.
    Third, they will not be allowed to work for more than a certain length of time, at a Standard Wage, for any Employer without registering and being monitored. Any Employer caught harboring or employing an Illegal Alien will be prosecuted and fined. These working Legal Aliens will be taxed just like the rest of us.
    Fourth, when they enter this country (having proven they have an American Sponsor) they will be documented, and they will not be allowed to take advantage of any Government Funded or Sponsored programs until they become Legal Citizens of the United States of America.
    As a Free Nation, we have always been compassionate toward any other country that needs assistance, but we don’t have to invite them here to help them. We can, and should SEND assistance without burdening our country with hoards of people who only want to come here and make it a mini version of the place they just left, with no intention of assimilating.
    What we see now are whole cities comprised of one Nationality, who speak only their native tongue, have every business sign in their own language, and honor only their own customs. There are signs everywhere that identify the Nationality of the people who live, work and have businesses there.These neighborhoods are rich in Culture, their people are hard working, and at the same time, they send the message of Segregation. That never bothered me much until the last 15 years or so, when I noticed that some of the Immigrants who came here demonstrated that they don’t want to be Americans who came from somewhere else, they want to use our soil to occupy and create a version of the country they left. And to take all they can get from the System.
    New Policies, enforced by our Federal, State and Local Governments is the only way out of this mess.
    My deceased Parents, who came here from Germany so long ago, are most likely spinning in their graves. They worked hard, learned English, and at the same time, never forgot where they came from. Or why they left.

    • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      Judith, In all due respect to your compassion and wanting to put an end to this mess. Missouri as a State has the Constituional right to legislation what is best for their citizens. An Illegal Alien and OTMs are still Illegal Aliens and are in violation of our national sovereignty laws (borders), Illegals break the law thus making them law violators. If I am mistaken please correct me, the immigration laws in existence only need to be enforced. No need for immigration reform, new policies etc., the action needed, is for the enforcements of these laws already on the books. “Amnesty” is not the answer, and this is what this present Administration means with Immigration Reform, more votes and cheap labor. How many American are unemployed as of today? how about some compassion for our people. As for the employment of Illegals, E-Verify is on the books, however Secrectary HLS Napolitano, has no intentions to apply it and is at this time attempting to put it in abeyance and dismantle ICE, do some research please.
      The simplicity to the issue is this, enforce all existing laws related to illegal immigration, support all Law Enforcing Officers, Fed.,State and Local, Repatriate “All” illegals aliens ASAP, enforce E-Verify and follow the course of LAWS. We have a legal process for legal immigration, as you well know. We American Indians know, we didn’t enforce ours, we said “welcome” and it was all taken, even though we had Treaties and promises only one promise was kept they promised to take away our lands and they took them and this Governmrnt is still taking more. I can rest asure you that living on this border in Ariz. the sieve of illegalities, it’s not only illegal aliens, drugs and all types of vile inherent evils. Mexicos number one income, aside from Drug Cartels is the $18 billion these illegals send back to Mexico and those billions are never seen here in $$ to our economy and yet, this administration proposes a “Dream Act”, just another way to stick it to the American Taxpayers and ignore our American Students. A million “Kudos” to Missouri! As for the ten states that harbor illegals they only cheat and rob their citizens, their children and their future. What part of “Illegal” do politicians not understand?
      As a former Financial Aid Officer (13 years). at a Community College in Southern California, I saw the abuse, the discrimination against White American and the preference given to “Minorities”. Because I dared to call out the Cheats of so called low income catagory, I was labeled a Racist by the Mecha and Raza Unida groups. Many illegals then too. I applaud the State of Missouri for their valor and legislative actions. Keep this in mind, these illegals are a different “Breed” in comparison to the immigrants of years past, read up on the “Reconquista” movement orchestrated by the La Raza Unida, this will wake up “compassion”. I am angry at the docility of so many Americans, who will some day down the line awaken to be the conquered in the land they once conquered. For years I have been an activist in order to put an end to wasteful aid and assistance to those who are too lazy to work and thus divert all those resources to our own childrens’ futures, I want my grandchildren and my two great grandchildren to have a better future and not have some illegal alien given privileges that my grandchildren so deserve. More Kudos to Missouri and pray more States follow suite.
      For God and Country, Wake up America It’s Later than You Think!

      • Jack Clark

        Ben (WIA), You are right on target. You all are pretty much saying the right things to do ie. enforce the laws that are on the books. I live in AZ and see the problem first hand with hospitals closing, programs at hospitals terminated because they need the money to treat illegals. It is the LAW that hospitals have to have translaters on site for those who don’t speak English. That costs alone hundreds of thousands of $$. As I said you all have it pretty much right. But one major point is missing. WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT? If we don’t stand up and be counted and I mean demonstrate, the politicians WHO DON’T REPRESENT US, will not get the msg. The Tea Parties got some play, but the so called National Media played us down. But if more demonstrations showing our digust turn out, the politicians and national media will be forced to listen! Ben is also right about the mex. groups he mentioned. They have stated they will take America by demonstration and breaking us financially. AND THEY ARE ORGANIZED!! WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME TO COUNTER THEM. When you have Americans who can’t get schooling, medical, or other assistance it is passed time to pull the plug on illegals benefits. GAO has stated it costs the American taxpayer over $63Billion a Year for illegals, and further stated that if we give illegals amnesty, they couldn’t even estimate the cost to the American taxpayer over a 10 year period. You maly have seen this before, if not it is a poem titled I LOVE AMERICA; I come to visit, get treated regal, so I stay, who care illegal. Cross the borderpoor and broke, take the bus, see customs choke. Nice man treat me good in there, say I need to see welfare. Welfare say come down no more, we send you cash right to your door. Welfare checks, they make you welthy, medicare, it make you healthy. By and by, I get plenty money, thanks American working dummy. Write to friends in mother land, tell them to come as fast as can. They come in rags and cherry trucks, I buy big house with welfare bucks, to live off America and make life better. Fourteen families all move in, neighbor’s patience growing thin. Finally white guy moves away, I buy house and then I say, find more aliens, house I rent, send for family, they just trash, but they all draw more welfare cash. Everything is mucho good, soon we own the neighborhood. We have a hobby, it’s called breeding, welfare pay for baby feeding. Kids need dentist, wife need pills, we get free, we got no bills. American crazy, he pay all year, to keep his welfare lrunning here. We think America damn good place, too damn good for white-man race. If they no like us they can go, lots of room in Mexico.
        Although there is some jest in the poem, it says it all. I have personally seen the poems scenario actually happen in Yakima, WA in my mother-in-laws once nice neighborhood. Hell, here in AZ they actually drive school busses to the Mex border and pick up the kids to take to our state schools. Quite a site to stand on the border and see all those Mex kids come across the border and get into our American paid school busses. Or stand on the border and watch the Mex come across, go to the American post office, get their welfare checks, then go back across the border to Mex. The post office in Douglas, AZ, tried to stop to up to 15 Mex citizens claiming the same mail box for their welfare checks. Because of that practice, they were out of P O Boxes for U.S. citizens. Never heard if they were successful. We must organize!!!

        • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Jack, we are on the same track and I have been very active on these issues. Not only is Douglas being used by illegals to receive welfare checks, Naco, Bisbee, SierraVista, Tucson just to name a few. I see daily, the Charter School bus pick up Mexican kids at the border then take them back at the end of the day, The local school system is loaded with illegals that have false addresses. Our local Community College issues Degrees to a mass of Bilingual illiterates, via the “Avansando Program”, while our American students are screwed with loans and guess who gets the majority of grants? you got it !
          I am a retired College/Uni. Associate Professor and an Administrator , I was rejected for a full-time teaching position because “I was not a Democrat”, and was told to my face I was “too dark” to be a Republican, try that for size. I am a very well recognized Indian Artist. inducted in1995 to the Academic Distinguished Alumni Hall of Fame. Southwestern Okla. State Uni. I born here and left for 33yrs traveled to 22 countries, am fluent in 5 languages my wife is fluent in 7, only to come back and see what this community (that gave my family so many
          opportunities when P.D. Corp. was here),
          has become. “White Caucasian Flight” took its course over the years. We have more public health service centers, food centers etc. and guess who are the recepients? just walk across the line and get in line. I came across the opportunity to work at a country community H.S. just 26 miles from here, and in 12 years I saw the Schools become a little Mexico, Illegals, a flock of amnesty? kids increased the school populations, causing the local politicos of Ed. to go after every conceivable $$ from State and Federal resources (Taxpayers monies). When locals, that have known me for years, found out I was teaching and coaching at that school I was asked why I was teaching at that Racist “Mormon” town. You asked me what am I doing about it, my patriotic fellow American, I still raise all the hell I can and bitch till I’m red in the face, and because of that I’m a “Racists” and can no longer substitute at this H.S., SO BE IT! I have learned in 72 winters, that an Indian has to face two major vile demons in this area. Mexicans/Chicanos and Liberal Progressive Caucasians with despotic demeanors. I no longer participate with the Cochise County Republican Committee because I am a “ranting” “raving” man, who has a lot of “hate” in his heart, they will pray for me! buy this *! Illegals are rampant in this area and our “Lip Flapping Politicians” don’t want to do a thing about the issues, because it would hurt the economy and this area would be labeled negatively “Racist”. It’s about welfare, cheap labor, $$ from Governments and whatever else they can get from the Drug Cartels spending money on this side. This is improvident of these corrupt Politicos, only thing they worhship is the $$. My easy way out is to pack up and find a reservation and chill, right? however that will not lend itself to solving issues. Time is still the best equalizer.
          I’m on these sites to try and make Americans realize that this border issue is critical to them and the future of their children, illegals move on to infest the rest of America. We have an epidemic beyond the Swine Flu, it’s called “ILLEGAL ALIENS” ! When P.D. Corp. left this town, (because of the EPA and the Greens), it killed the lifeline of employment and in came the drugs, welfare and the corrupt politicos, no different than Detroit.
          Believe me I give a Big Damn and love my “Republic” American Indian Country, When is the majority of conservative patriotic Americans going to wake up and bring about the “Change” we need to create and bring about a greater America we can truly believe in.
          I’m old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I’m not inclined to apologize for any of it. We need leaders that have the *
          s and order the Military to take care of our borders,and leaders of the same valor to round up these illegals and repatriate them. Believe me when I say this, their motives are to poison your children with every conceivable drug they can bring across, suck dry the economy, invade your communities in the name of ”we do the jobs you Gringos don’t want to do”, commit crimes, have LULAC and the ACLU defend them because you are racists, and the list goes on and on. As I closed on the previous commentary, if you don’t take serious action you, your children are going to wake up conquered in a continent you conquered !
          A million KUDOS to the Missouri Legislators, and remember this
          Change is not Value
          Hope is not a Plan
          Hope is not a process
          God Bless America! for this American Indian believes in it’s Patriotic Americans

        • http://worl Greg

          Remember La Venganza de Moctezuma

      • Walter Jones

        Absolutely right.We should follow the lead of Australia.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ben, the ACLU, it stands for Anti Christ Lawyers Union.

        • Howard

          ACLU– It really stands for a bunch of MARXIST BASTARDS who want you to do what THEY want you to do….. Best yet, they are the thugs that want to tear down America…

    • IDIOTS R EVERYWHERE

      JUDITH,
      again, WAKE-UP!!! the laws that we have are good enough…JUST ENFORCE THEM. no need for a special committee or nonsense like that. if we honor the constitution it is simple: find the illegals (not that hard), give them the only thing they are guaranteed under the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA’s constitution….a one-way ride back across the border.

      • Judith Tiedemann

        Excuse me, did you just call me an Idiot? Or, since you title yourself “Idiots are Everywhere,” perhaps you are labeling yourself.
        Why is it that you refuse to see that I am in agreement? Excuse me if I don’t know what the actual laws state, word for word, as you seem to, but I don’t suggest that Laws aren’t there, or aren’t sufficient, I suggest that I have an OPINION about the way we handle the Immigration situation, and I’m glad I live in a Country where I’m allowed to express that opinion.
        I’m trying to be polite here, but your response is a little harsh, and I’m beginning to think that all you want to do is show off your Education and experience and to argue just for the sake of argument.
        This is not a P—ing Contest. It’s a Forum for DISCUSSION. Please be respectful.

        • IDIOTS R EVERYWHERE

          Judith,
          I did not, nor am i calling you an idiot. It just fires me up when people want to create new laws, referendums and the like, when our current laws are adequate (if they would be enforced). Part of the problem in today’s politics is if you create a new law it will fix the problem to which it is addressed. The only real thing that it does is create more government.
          The reality is that we need less government, which can only happen if we concentrate on the laws already written and enforce them. I won’t apologize for my name, i am sorry that you have taken offense to it. I also understand that you do agree with me on the position of illegal’s, we just happen to disagree on how to fix it. While your opinion and option is not a bad one, the constitution gives us the laws by which to fix the illegal immigrant problem. So therefore if we just stick to the basic ideas (cut and dried/black and white) like our forefathers established in that wonderful document, all would be well in the united states of america.
          Again sorry if i was too harsh, but i am also of the feeling that if more people would stand up and speak what they mean and stand by it (like reagan), we would not be in this current mess.

  • Alexa

    I applaud “The Show Me State” for the common sense, bravery, and taking care of the people of Missouri! I live in Northern California and fed up with this California politicians who are misfits and taking care of the illegal immigrants. The State drained all the taxpayers’ money by giving these illegals all the welfare they can get. When my son was in Junior College in this State, he needed several prerequisites to earn his AA degree. But, he had to wait for several of his classes because it was full and being filled by out of state foreigners. This delayed him for graduating and going forward to a California University. These illegals know how to work the system!

    • Walter Jones

      Remember that when the elections come around

  • Alfie

    Good for the House! Hope the Senate follows suit…. All states should do this.

  • Bob

    I agree if we have a law then enforce the law. I do not mind the mexicans come to the USA as long as it’s done legally. But when we are being forced to support them and not be given the same type of free support it’s totally wrong. As an example an illegal can get free medical treatment for just about anything. Let you and I go to a doctor or hospital and the first thing they want is our insurance card. We are paying out the you know what for all of these programs for these poor illegals. It’s past time to stop the crap and tell the government officals, enough is enough.

    However the other side of the coin is Americans have to get off their dead butts and go out there and fill the jobs that the illegals are willing to do. No one would be unemployed if they got off their high horses and took these jobs. It may not be the best job in the world but it’s a job.

  • Debra

    Can anyone tell me the BILL NAME OR NUMBER. I wanted to look this up on Missouri’s website to verify who voted for or against. I write plenty of letters letting my EMPLOYEES know how I feel – and in this case, I would like to thank those Representatives that voted for this. Thanks.

  • Billye Leininger

    I am so concerned with the direction our government is going, I am almost frightened to death because they do not listen to us. I write to my congressmen every week about something, and they continue to do as they please, no matter what anyone says.I will this fall have three grandchildren in college, and all three struggle to find financing. In fact one is on the Dean’s list and cannot find help. What’s wrong with this picture, when a legal citizen can’t find help and our elected officials will fund illegals free of charge?Elections have consequences and I for one am disgusted with every elected official in Washington an d would like to clean house now!

  • Judith Tiedemann

    In response to Ben,
    I may have not made myself very clear re: my (humble) opinion of the Illegal Immigrant situation. When I used the word “Liberal,” I also stated that I feel that America’s policies regarding Immigration are too lax. Maybe I needed to say that America’s policies while being set in place, are not being enforced. You are right in saying I should research the situation more, as it seems you know exactly what the Laws are concerning this issue.
    The essence of my (again, humble) opinion are:
    A person immigrating to this Country should be required to have a Sponsor who is a Citizen of this Country.
    They should be required to study, learn and be tested on our History, Customs and Language.
    There should be a time line for this to happen, and if requirements are not met, they will be sent back to their Country.
    If these Laws already exist, then they need to be adhered to. That would probably require that we, the existing Citizens and Voters, keep track of our Elected Legislators and hold them accountable for enforcing these Laws.
    Thank your for standing up for, and representing the Native Americans, who, as you stated, were basically given the shaft for welcoming others here. .As a consequence they were driven from their land, slaughtered and segregated onto Reservations.
    If this isn’t something you agree with, then we have to agree to disagree. That’s what we live in the USA have a right to, and that’s what we need to preserve. Our right to have an opinion and to state it.

  • john saul

    have neither time nor patience to read “conservative” hype. absolute nonsense, got their ass kicked out few monthsb back, but they’re not discouraged. Obama people are trying to straighten economy out after devastating 8 years of Bush incompetence and coddling the well off. Gingrich trying to reinstate self, a total jerk. if only opponents to “European Socialism” (what’s wrong with it??) would commit to supporting efforts to get well, it might help, but “conservatism” is dead, kaput, finished. you will not tolerate racism, name calling, profanity? ok, but please tune in to michael savage, (3 to 7 KNEW San Francisco) who proclaims self as model conservative. john saul

    • Lou

      You all forget who was the majority in the house and congress it was the democrats!! You all can blame Bush but our country has been safe. Everyone is so worried about being politically correct. If it is what it is…it is!! Say it as you mean it don’t pussy foot around. All Obama has done is increase the debt in his first 100 days more than we have ever acquired with Bush. Bought out GM and the banks so they are now part owned by our govt. Yeh this is really helping the country. Saving jobs? Nope, closing Pontiac dealerships, which means the trickle down affect. It seems everyone wants the government to take care of them. What ever happened to the work ethic in this country? I don’t care if you have to work at McDonalds for 7.00 an hr. do it!! I was a single parent for 8 yrs. and never asked for a handout. Worked 2 jobs to support my kids and am darn proud of that! Everyone wants something for nothing. Obama has decreased our security by the release of the CIA papers. What the heck is he doing? All i can say is what comes around goes around. Paybacks a bitch.

    • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      Judith, your thoughts are in order, however the processes you have identified are in the laws that exist, but for immigrant applicants that want to come here Legally. To give you an example, my wife of 26 yrs is originally from Belgium, she received legal status due to me being an American Citizen, after the required period of time, she applied for Citizenship it took her 11 years to be accepted. During that period of probation time, that is legal status (the Green card) she could not work, once granted that legal status she acquired an excellent job with training for upward mobility.
      Illegals, you must understand Do Not have any respect for the Laws. I lived in Mexico, 9 yrs,11 months, 22 days 14 hours and 12 minutes, doing my Doctorial research on Indian Arts Pre Colombian and believe me Mexico charged me $17,000.00 dollars inorder for me to immigrate on a temporary residence passport. I complied with their laws paid their fees, paid their “Mordidas” bribes to move my papers and yet, I constantly had visitations from the Federales (The Blue Coats) checking up on me and watching just about all my moves. I had people in that village come and request of me to falsify documents for them in English so that they could come here illegally.
      I speak by personal experience, my wife and I do not ever intend to go to that country ever again. I resent the Illegal Alien epidemic we are facing as Americans, I have been writing a short story regarding my experiences in that country, I plan on publishing it within the next couple of years, The title “Tacos, Enchiladas and all that Jazzy Salsa”.
      I have no respect for individuals that break our laws and Politico that “Harbor” and reward those illegal behaviors.
      If all these Progressives and Liberals are so keen in given away our resources and short change our taxpayers and this nations children, then I ask them to adopt 10 Illegals a piece and take full financial and maintenence responsibility for them, and let them live in their homes. Read my comments to Jack. If a person is here legally then he earns every right to work, pay taxes and become an English speaking American.
      Bless you and your parents

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ben, you are the true American my friend, and as much as my government kicks me in the shorts and screws me right and left, I aint got nothing on the American Indian. This country has screwed you since day one and it pisses me off, because every swinging dick from the blacks to the asians to the hispanics, to the middle eastern terrororists bastards, they all get this preferential treatment, and the Im sorry we were bad to you in years past. But I never hear any apologies to the American Indian for stealing their land, for mass murdering them, for infecting them with small pox, from underhanded dealings with them, just for all the bull shit that has been done to the Indians. Im one white guy thats pissed off about it, as it is the true scar on this country. I am glad you like I, recognize this new problem of the illegal aliens all over here, as in a different manner, but to the same ends, they will take over and round us up in time, as our leaders sit around and play with cigars and teleprompters, telling themselves how great they are, while they sell us down the road.

        • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Mark, Thank you my fellow American, no apologies needed on this issue, however I would only ask that you and others in your circle of extended family, your community and as many folks you know, join me and so many other Patriots in the efforts to take back our Government ( both Houses) and clear out the corrupt lip flapping Politicos. I am very much involved with The 912 Project Coalition at the national level as well as in the State of Ariz.
          9 Principals 12 Values. Believe me when I tell you that we have a lot in common, because we believe in the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Liberty and Freedoms, but most important in our Creator, every free man, woman, and child’s choice. As the sayings go “We are not Alone” and “We Surround them” !
          I personally want to thank Mr. Bob Livingston for his letter and forum, I found it via a friend. Spread it around, I have.
          If Missouri can do it so can the rest of America, we have in Arizona, and now we are demanding that we start examining all Illegals entering and being caught at our borders. Mexico has no intentions of assisting and protecting Americans at their northern borders, they want open borders! The $$ in Medical aid is not the responsibility of American taxpayers, this President’s
          madness and “Marxist Change Abuse” has got to Stop. Stand up for America!
          For God and our Republic

    • Walter Jones

      Maybe you should check your history.It began with Clinton deregulation and blind eye to Fannie and freddie while pumping mega cash into earmarks!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Draco

    The racism of the people of the state of Missouri.(misery) What should I expect from ignorance?They are trying to create a caste system like the one in India.Soon it will spread to all poor folks.Way to go dips.Whats happening to my country?Bush and his buddies are laughing it up right now.To Judith girl thats the same thing we asked for in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo of the immigrants coming from Georgia prior to the Alamo which as you know were nothing but robbers, murders and rapists.Read your history.If you are a single mom aren’t you glad you are educated? But honestly do you think you could do well if you weren’t educated.Do the math.Later.will the government listen to us ? they did at Bunker hill.Ben (wia) your next are you a brown indian or white indian.the natives here in Alaska don’t want any of their lands taken away from them no more oil drilling no mas!Mexicans work period.no hand outs just honest days work for an honest days pay.

    • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      Draco,
      If this is the best you can do, well
      My Kiowa Indian name is Taa Ah Haa got it?
      Related to Chief Hobeka (Lonewolf) and Seven other Principal Chiefs of the Kiowa my Two Sons carry their Kiowa Grandfathers names as do my Grandaughters (Grandmothers names) and Grandson and the name for my new Great Grandson to be born soon will be given his Kiowa name and Ponca name.
      “Taa Ah Haa” on the other hand
      means a Star that is coming
      second meaning Falling Star
      My Raramuri name is “Chiri Sopori”
      means Evening Star
      (a Spanish Translation equivolent to Lucero).
      Given to me by my father his fathers fathers. I can trace by oral tradition five generations taught to me by my family.
      My youngest son born of a mix marriage
      carries his Raramuri name and Pottowatomi
      name as well as his German name “Hachmuth”. We are enrolled member of the Tribe by the way. I am 72 Winters, didn’t anyone ever teach you manners and how to respect other persons view point especially Elders?
      And by the way, as a former consultant for the Bureau of Indian Affairs, (Tribal Operations Office), Vice Chairman of the National Indian Educational Commission and Former President of the California Indian Education Association, and a former member of the American Indian Civil Rights Commission (1972-1979) I want to ask you a question or two. When you write and use the word “Natives” are you referring to the Alaskan Athapascan ( which means a little grass here and there by the way, if you happen to come across Marybel Printup (Athapascan tribal member) she works for the BIA in Anchorage and Juneau. give her my hello ) to continue, Haida, Salish, Nootka, Tlingit, Kwakiutl, ( if you run into Chief Lolososka Maker of Masks give him my best regards) as for the Eskimo (Inhuit) by the way, Give my best hellos to Elizabeth Bogenrief she happens to be German and Eskimo, on the white side by the way. What is your skin complexion? Your writing reflects an Hispanic with an attitude against people that have a different view point from yours your “we” might have given you away. But then again what do I know.
      For heaven’s sake! The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was a treaty by “White” Spanish Mexican Government just like the Gadsden Purchase. To try and clear up your historical facts would be futile, so lets get back to the issue at hand and deal with the topic and please, don’t spit into the wind, it will come back and hit you in your face!
      What are you, Draco? and what do you mean “my country”? did you recently purchase it? This is about “Illegal” Aliens entering OUR (you included) Country Illegally, you know violating our National Sovereignty, “borders” by land, air or sea and ripping off the American taxpayers, Indians and you included by the way. My applause and Kudos to the Missouri Legislators and they need to pass more legislation as do other States, and protect their citizens and future generations.
      Quira Va !

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Draco

        I apologize to you Chiri Sopori the 72 winters means you know your stuff.But I see your people have been oppressed and now you oppress.Is it the poor illegals that have oppressed you? Then who?I believe if there is justice there will be peace you prefer to oppress those who are easily oppressed then it will continue, no matter how many winters will pass. The native corporations have not done you justice.They owe you so much. Can you collect that which is yours and your ancestors?Keep trying. I can only account for my lineage up to 1853. Then nothing.So I guess that means I am s.o.l. Chiri Sopori you are priviledged.As a consultant did you change anything?Quira Va !

        • Ben (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Drako,
          If you don’t understand the meaning of “Illegal”, then all you deserve and merit from me, is my silence.
          Ah ho!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Drako, your off key with your response to Ben oppressing someone. Lets get the history straight. The American Indian was here. Period. The Indian was here. White Man came and oppressed him, slaughtered him, dealt underhanded with him. Raped his women and children. Slaughtered the food he ate to starve him. Gave him small pox infected blankets and used germ warfare on him this way. To this day, they are still cheated and oppressed, herded onto reservations and such, taking their land. Now here comes these illegals, and they are given so much by this government, and they are breaking the law, and dont belong here. It has nothing to do with Ben or I or anyone oppressing them. Its illegal, Ok. Judging by your standards, I should be able to break the law and break into your house and take everything you own, then you should reward me by giving me free medical care and more money. They come illegal, they take my money, that is the tax the government collects off me, and hey, I dont like it. I am being oppressed here, as is Ben as is all the American people who live here legally. We are being oppressed by foreigners and by the government. It isnt right.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ben my brother. I dont really know what Draco’s problem is, unless he is just of those left wing liberal pacifist appeasers, that are just filled with hate and I for one dont know what to do to get it out of them. These things he has said is just total hate, and it turns my stomach. You dont need to go through your whole heritage to make me understand. Your being an American Indian says it all, you my friend, are the TRUE AMERICAN. Im just a white guy ok, but Ben my friend, you and your people have my utmost respect. I think of what we lost if the Indian still ruled today. I am a Christian, and my Great Spirit is Jesus Christ. The Great Spirit I have read about in Indian folklore and from hearing Indians tell stories, sometimes I feel are one in the same. The love, the respect, the honor and the glory are mirrored images of each other. Your love of the land and the respect for it and its creatures mimick mine. Sometimes I feel as if I was somehow an American Indian born into a white guys body, as it makes me angry and ashamed the more I research the American Indian and the things we did. I cant change it, though I wish I could, so all I can do is what youve done, that is accept and go on. Your people are admirable in the face of this prejudice. Some race’s of people here in the United States could learn a lot from you. Shame on Drako and the things he says. Some people continue through live ignorant of many things.

  • Mary G

    I am so proud to see that at least one state realizes that “illegals” are illegal, and do not have rights and privileges. I wish more states would treat them as illegal. Let them go back to their countries and come back in legally.
    My ancestors came into the country and assimilated into the culture, and became naturalized citizens. Eveyone who wants to be American, should follow the legal process!

  • silverbelle1008

    Call President Obama and your legislators immediately to tell them your views. Amnesty is being discussed in Congress beginning April 30. If you don’t voice your opinion then we will all have to put up with it

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Why call Obama, he is the jerk that wants to do this so that all these suckers will vote for him next election, and that is the bottom line truth. This guy doesnt care about American, and dont you fool yourself and think he does. He is muslim, who has admitted it over and over, and then tries to hide it, and everyone who knows anything knows that the muslim religion is not a peaceful religion, which is the one thing I hold against President Bush, because he kept saying that. No, this religions tennants state that if you dont think like they do, you are an infidel and you should die. They want us dead, they have said they want us dead, and have said they will die trying to make us dead. And this guy wants to sit down and have dinner with them and talk. Does that tell you anything? It says loads to me, so dont waste your time with him, we lost him when Barry became Barrack. He is gone.

  • Betty

    We can do nothing but complain unless we organize and stand up and be counted. This country is almost lost. There are many good people but they are the silent majority. Silent being the operative word. We need to demonstrate in a big way everywhere, and often. We need thousands of people, not just a hand full occasionally. Why aren’t we demonstrating about the government releasing the CIA papers and planning on releasing the pictures too. This is beyond ridiculous. Liberals make me sick. They are such hypocrites. It’s OK to kill innocent babies by stabbing them in the back of the head and sucking their brains out but it’s not OK to scare a terrorist. What evil fools. I feel as though I live in a foreign land and don’t speak the language. We are so far apart, I’m afraid we will never be able to come together again. I personally do not know anyone that voted for Obama or likes his policies. Not one person. I guess I live in a bubble or something. I pray for our country.

    • Michelle

      God bless you Betty I feel the same way!!! so do all Real Americans!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Hey Betty, not only do they believe in killing babies, now they are going to take our tax money and pay for it overseas. Thats what these sick puppies do. They are going to use our tax money to provide for abortions overseas, and you know as well as I, that when these foreign doctors know the US is paying for it, that it will cost 10 times as much as it should, and its like salt in the wound. These immoral jackasses need kicked out of the country. All they care about is themselves.

  • SUSIE

    HI THERE FELLOW AMERICANS, I WAS JUST READING A FORUM AND THIS PERSON IS A RESIDENT AT A HOSPITAL AND SAID THAT INS/HOMELAND SECURITY SHOWED UP AT THERE HOSPITAL AND ALL RESIDENTS WERE CALLED FOR A MEETING WITH INS /HOMELAND SEC . THEY WERE TOLD TO WEAR MASKS AND AND TO WASH THERE HANDS GOOD. ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE WITH THIS FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS COME IN. THEY WERE CONFUSED WHY THE INS /HOMELAND WOULD DO SUCH A THING. AND THEY WERE UPSET BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO WASH THERE HANDS AND WEAR MASKS.
    ALSO ON THE SAME FORUM A MED STUDENT WHO WORKS AT A PHARMACY WAS TOLD TO ORDER MORE OF THE MEDS THAT IS BEING GIVING TO THE PEOPLE WITH THE SWINE VIRUS. SHE STATES SHE CALLED THERE SUPPLIER AND THEY STATED IT WOULD BE 3 WEEKS BEFORE THEY COULD GET MORE BECAUSE THEY WERE ORDERED TO SHIP ALL THEY HAD TO MEXICO BY THE GOVERNMENT. JUST THIS WEEK THE AP OBAMA SAID THEY OK’D 1.3 BILLION TO GO FOR THIS MEDICINE. SO US TAX PAYERS ARE NOT ONLY HELPING OUR OWN BUT THE PEOPLE IN MEXICO AS WELL.
    NOW I KNOW WHY THE HEAD OF HOMELAND SECURITY SAID IT WASNT NECCESARY TO CLOSE THE BORDERS BECAUSE OF TRUCKS WITH FOOD AND SUPPLIES COULDNT GET ACROSS…MAYBE WE THEY ARRIVE THERE AND PEOPLE HERE IN U.S DIE THEY WILL CONSIDER IT…THATS OUR GOVERNMENT PEOPLE…
    ALSO I HEARD TODAY IN CHICAGO A MEXICAN CLINIC IS CLAIMING THERE BEING DISCRIMNATED AGAINST AND WE WERE BEING RACISTS BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING THAT THE MEXICANS BROUGHT THIS FLU TO OUR COUNTRY…WHEN DOES IT END?
    MY OPINION ..THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO COVER UP THIS SO WHEN HE GIVES AMNESTY TO THE ILLEGALS IT WONT MAKE HIM LOOK BAD… WELL JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE HEARD TODAY…GOD BLESS AMERICAN AND GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS…ARMYMOM…SUSIE

  • s c

    Good for Missouri! The middle of the nation may be the only place left that still has some common sense in exercising the rights of a state. Don’t be surprised if the Washington power wackos try to interfere.
    I wish you [Missouri] the best of luck in making it stick, as you are up against what is probably the worst collection of common sense-hating, freedom-hating activist judges and lawyers (who act more like criminals) than we’ve ever had in America’s history.
    When you deal with people [DC vermin] who specialize in hypocrisy, reaping votes from dead voters and “transparency weasels” who are hell bent on destroying America, your job won’t be easy.

  • Victoria Sublett-Evans

    There is an excellent conversation happening here. My compliments to Professor Ben (WIA). He has covered everything I would have and more, much more eloquantly, I might add. Where can I read more of his work? This newsletter is one of the Best.
    Being a Californian, may I add that we have tried for decades to vote and address these very issues being discussed. We even voted in changes and laws about 15 years ago, but the Federal courts stopped us and said they were unconstitional. Now We The People are completely out numbered here. Everywhere I heae rumors of illegals voting here. I am a mixture of all backgrounds. My family on all sides go back to before the Revolution and have every generation served and fought for OUR country including my grandchildren. Of course my Native American ancestors were already here! Now my family looks that the United Nations! And they are wonderful! Where do we mixed bloods stand? Who wants to accept us? We just keep working, paying, and swiftly are losing ground. While the Illegals are there with their hands out! As a Texas-Ex, people should know at least a little about Texas and the entire Southwest’s history and the original settlers, before they speak! The statements made earlier are not only uninformed, erroronious, but down right hurtful to many. These are most of my family and I know my geneology back to Virginia 1700, not to mention many many other branches! Again where do LEGAL Americans come into this new agenda? Please, my fellow Americans let the paradise that California USED to be become a LESSON to ALL! We are ruined in all ways! There is an old popular saying that should be remembered,”What Starts In California Spreads To All The Other States”.
    We used to produce approximately 20% the Gross National Product and have approximately 20% of the country’s population!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      What used to be Paradise, is now like living in a bowl of granola: what isnt fruits and nuts is flakes. Your state has gone down the tubes as all its money is being sucked out by illegal aliens, not only from Mexico, but from the Phillipines, from Guam, from Thailand, and all over Central America. I lived in southern cal in the late 70′s and early 80′s, and I felt like a minority then. I didnt hear english much in the supermarket or out in town. I can only imagine what it is like now. You are bankrupt from funding all these illegals, who in turn work and make their money and ship it back home for more to come over here, and suck more money and free benefits out. As long as you keep electing shit birds like Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Gavin Newsom, and even Arnold who cant govern, you are going to get this. Clean your house of these left wing liberal pacifist appeasers, and maybe, just maybe, things might improve. But you have so many illegals voting now, that you might be screwed. Of course, if the laws of the land were upheld, we wouldnt have to worry about this now would we? But in California, you people have elected them to city council and congressman and mayors, that they in turn open the flood gates more, because they could care less about white and black Americans, or our American way of life. It is all about taking the southwest back over again, and they are well on their way, due to the left wing liberals that hijacked this state. Thanks Dems.

  • s c

    Thanks, Missouri! America sorely needs more common sense legislation and legislators who aren’t afraid to their job(s). Missouri is one of the few remaining states where common sense hasn’t been outlawed or made a pc victim. When elected officials violate common sense, citizens must step forward and remove every bottom-feeder politician who defies common sense [this is especially the case with those in Washington]. Keep up the good work, Missouri.

  • Alejo

    This is to Linda don’t bring up the bible and act like your a Christian because you are not. Illegals are people also and if you lived in their countries you would come to the U.S. also. I have been to Mexico in the very poor part and most of these people just want to care for their families not harm the United States. These individuals often can’t come to the United States the legal way because it costs thousands of dollars and takes years, it does not work the way your ancestors did it Mary. I feel these individuals should have the opportunity to become legal as long as they have not committed a felony, they must obtain a job and recieve no government benefits, and only a certain percentage of earnings can be sent to their home country. This however would have to be monitored and fingerprinting for Id would be the way to go. If an individual is convicted of a felony they will serve the time and be deported back to their home country and banned from the United States for life. Society should realize it is just not Mexicans in the country illegally and at least they are not being payed $100,000.000 by our government to come to our country. People should stop spending so much time worrying about what Mexicans get and research what Russians get they are the ones causing the U.S. more debt.

    • http://naver samurai

      What part of illegal don’t you understand, moron? Maybe you’re here illegally also. Let me know so I can send some federal boys to your house and kick in your door like some stormtroopers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jane

    sometimes people who are from here think they have more rights then the rest and people for real???Aliens???We are the same as you all!!!and we do the job you all dont want,then why is it that when we want an education it bothers all of the people who didnt even notice us before all this…I belong here too i was raised here ma brothers where born here…i may have been born in a diffrent country but i am from here, may families come here to for the wellbeing of our families and to be able provide more for us as children

    • http://naver samurai

      Another illegal that needs to be dealt with! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

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