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Mission Creep

October 6, 2010 by  

Mission Creep

America’s undeclared war on Pakistan is escalating. In response to an increasing number of unmanned drone attacks and NATO incursions into Pakistan — including a helicopter attack that killed three Pakistani soldiers — gunmen are attacking NATO convoys providing supplies to United States troops in Afghanistan.

Apparently President Barack Obama subscribes to the Bush Doctrine: The policy created by President George W. Bush that “justified” making war on any country he decided was a threat. That’s not a policy the Left approved of under Bush. Nor should the Left approve of Obama’s undeclared wars simply because Obama has a big “D” after his name.

Congress has abdicated its Constitutional authority to declare war and has given the President — first Bush and now Obama — carte blanche to make war wherever and whenever he desires. And Obama — like Bush before him — apparently recognizes no sovereign borders. How else do you explain blatant military incursions in Pakistan and threats to send armed, unmanned drones to Yemen and other countries to kill “terrorists” who have not attacked America?

The Joint Resolution in Congress authorizing the President to wage war in Afghanistan following the 9/11 false flag attack on U.S. targets in New York and Washington, D.C., gave the President authority to “…use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”

The 9/11 Commission report blamed the Taliban in Afghanistan for harboring CIA creation Osama bin Laden. Of course, the findings in that report have since been called into question by the commissioners who wrote it and many others as more and more information and analysis has leaked implicating agents of the U.S. government in a cover-up of the events surrounding events of that day.

The U.S. military has been in a constant state of war for more than nine years. U.S. troops are abused and worn down from long deployments, and billions have been spent propping up the military-industrial complex and paying mercenaries six-figure salaries to conduct black ops around the globe. Despite all that the War on Terror continues… even if Obama no longer calls it that.

Here at home we are constantly bombarded with new government-issued warnings about the threat of more terror attacks to come in the U.S. and warnings about travel overseas. To combat the “threat” of terrorism here, governments are irradiating U.S. citizens at airports and highway checkpoints, deploying rolling backscatter scanners, installing cameras to watch our every move, planting GPS systems on our vehicles, scanning our emails and communications for “anti-government” sentiment and labeling as terrorists returning veterans, Ron Paul supporters, those advocating for smaller government and Tea Party members.

Some are starting to take note of the mission creep around the world. Few seem to notice — or care — about the mission creep at home.

“Just keep us safe,” say the people.

The shadow government’s will be done.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    For sure, Bob. While our military is overseas “fighting for our freedom”, we are losing it here.
    As Hitler said “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think”.

    • FreedomFighter

      Just nuke every major city in the middle east that supports radical Islam, gas any survivors, problem solved.

      Sound nasty? War is nasty and if you fight a war, fight to win it.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Al Hu

        Laus, you are not a freedom fighter, you promote killings and that is categorically wrong. Looks like you are bitter! Develop passion and understanding and help others, you will feel better.

        • JeffH

          Al Hu, it would be so nice if it were possible, but it just ain’t gonna happen. Get real would you please?

        • 45caliber

          Where do you get the idea that you can fight a war without casualties? The idea of war is to CREATE casualties – preferrably all the enemy. You can NEVER make friends with someone who’s sole goal is to exterminate you.

        • Deborah

          He is a freedom fighter, a bit “gun” ho, but still a freedom fighter. I do not agree with the bombing of any one but to protect our children and the shores of America we need warriors. Don’t discredit any American and their opinion, it’s called freedom of speech.

      • Marten

        Ignorance is the opiate of the Masses and you’re a part of it……

      • http://aol Baby

        Mr. FreedomFighter I would love to agree with you! Drop it like it’s hot and be done with it all, but there are people that had no choice but to be born in the Middle East, and I would say Most would Love to change their Country or leave it, and some have been blessed to leave.I feel bad for the Women that have to live the way they do. I want our TROOPS home! No more War! The war now is over what? Finding Waldo? or should I say Bin Laden‎. I understand why President Bush went into Iraq and we did do good work there and took out a Monster leader and his “Surge” was suggestful! Though not many thought it would be, and Obama has yet to say so! You see this is why I want Our Troops home, We have a so called President that is bring our own Country to our knees, for no reason I can see. The Blame Bush game is over, but was never one to be played from the start. They can lie to them self’s, but they can not lie to WE THE PEOPLE any longer! Try helping your fellow Americans save our own Nation!….No Bombs needed just yet. I know you love your country Sir, but the real Enemy is right here passing laws to make us one of the poorest Nations, we can not have that!! We will fight to stay the Greatest Nation!..God Bless You ;-)…and God Bless America!

    • old white guy

      yep, over 53% of american voters are incapable of critical thought. says alot for the education system.

      • Robert Smith

        Let’s hear it for Bush’s “No Child Left Behind.”

        Rob

        • Vigilant

          The public so-called “education” system began to falter in the 70s with the creation of the Department of Education, a mega lobbyist for teachers’ unions and not much else.

          The head of the NEA was once asked why they didn’t represent the needs of the students and he told the interviewer that the NEA would proceed to do so when the students started paying dues.

          Tell me, Mr. Smith, why so many students with conservative viewpoints are marked down, failed or told to shut up by the Marxist professors who infest the universities like lice. Tell me why American history books have replaced stories of some of our great Americans with the uninteresting, multicultural pap just to satisfy political corectness.

          Tell me why a majority of Americans can’t pass a basic quiz on the Constitution or the American Revolution. I could go on and on.

          And why don’t you have the stones to divulge that the No Child Left Behind Act was the baby of Teddy Kennedy long before GWB got ahold of it.

          • Robert Smith

            Aww Vigilant,

            Although you claim otherwise GWB was the “no child left behind.”

            The left wing community of teachers is just as silly as the left wing press. It doesn’t exist.

            Again, it’s the influence from the religious right that teaches kids creationism and the lies about sex.

            Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Let’s hear it for you leaving the site and going home!

          • Robert Smith

            There’s free speech from the reich in action.

            Rob

  • dan az

    The death toll in Pakistan this month is well over 200 and for this year to date over 2,000. The justification for this carnage offered by the U.S. and NATO is that it is intended to extend the policy of Barack Obama to “disrupt, dismantle and defeat” insurgent networks in Afghanistan into Pakistan, supposedly the sooner to end the war.

  • OtherTim

    This is identical to Vietnam, when we weren’t “permitted” to chase the VC and NVA into Laos or Cambodia where they could hide. Of course there were incursions into those countries, but for the most part we stopped chasing at the borders. This war will be no different, when the international uproar and those that are ready to give it up to the bad guys, allow sanctuary to terrorists. Pakistan and Afganistan are both shaky govts., similar to VN

    • 45caliber

      You can never win a war when you are handicapped by your own side.

      In Desertstorm, one Democrat Congressman saw the casualty reports and was shocked. We have less that 500; they have over 100,000. He said that wasn’t fair; we needed to have the same number. And he wanted to make it a requirement that we had as many casualties as the enemy.

      In Vietnam we had orders to do nothing that would hinder the enemy. If we found guns and ammuntion we were to leave it for the enemy to use. We officially weren’t even supposed to tell the South Vietnamese about it either although we usually did. If we were shot out, even in some jungle, we were not to shoot back unless we could kill our attacker with NO STRAY BULLETS. Since you could seldom see anything beyond a few dozen feet, that meant you were supposed to stand there and act at a target while the enemy shot at you. At most, you were allowed to charge them, hoping you could figure out where they were and kill them before they killed you.

      It is the same now. Don’t fire back as long as you can’t guarantee that only those shooting at you are hit. No stray bullets. Heaven forbid it you accidently hit someone else!

      • old white guy

        you have to kill anyone who restricts your ability to kill your enemy. the one or ones who restrict are also your enemy.

        • 45caliber

          You are absolutely correct. It is too bad that the liberals can’t understand it.

      • Robert Smith

        Come on 45… >>>In Desertstorm, one Democrat Congressman…<<<

        You wouldn't let a lefty get away without something specific. Who was it, where did he say it, and who is the witness?

        Rob

        • 45caliber

          See below

    • Robert Smith

      From OtherTim: “Pakistan and Afganistan are both shaky govts., similar to VN”

      VietNam is now a tourest attraction and entering the world as a producer of several things.

      Sadly we could have had all that without the carnage if we hadn’t been lied to about the “domino” theory and those darn commies.

      There seems to be as much bigotry against other countries as there is bigotry aginst other religions from the extreme right.

      Rob

  • Dennis

    generals need to wage war, not politicans. Other Tim you are right, I was there also and saw what a mess it was, and only got worse as time went on. I guess we will have to wait untill the “terroist” come to our front door to wage a war to win. In the mean time we will just play at war, have no goals or WILL to WIN.

    • Robert S

      Dennis What did the Vietnam war accomplish besides killing millions of people. Oh yes it got our corporations to do business there.

      • old white guy

        just f–ki off

        • Robert S

          Old Whitey Your posts are so full of knowledge. You must be a college professor.

      • 45caliber

        It accomplished a lot (without the businesses) before the politicians took control away from the generals. Then it went downhill fast. Generals don’t care about corporations; they care about winning a war.

        • Robert S

          45 Why were we fighting in Viet Nam. I forgot.

          • 45caliber

            I don’t know if you fought there or not. The reason the media gave was to stop the piracy in that area and to stop the North from conquering the South.

            The reason I went there was because I wanted away from home (abusive mother), I wanted GI Benfits so I could go to college, and because I wanted to help those South Vietnamese stay free.

            After I was there, I changed that to trying to help the people in South Vietnam with their freedom. Unless you see how they live under Communism (and experience it) and then see how they are living with freedom, you can’t possibly understand.

          • Robert Smith

            Form 45: “Unless you see how they live under Communism (and experience it) and then see how they are living with freedom, you can’t possibly understand.”

            But they are far better off today than they have ever been before, or during, the war.

            Maybe you should take a tour over there. I understand it is very pretty and the folks are nice.

            Rob

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        If nothing else it showed the world that we had the balls to stand up to communist agression.

        • Robert S

          Gunner There are more Commies in America than Viet Nam.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sounds like a lib bleeding heart to me.

    • 45caliber

      The government is doing their best to insure the people of our country are so afraid of being killed that they won’t fight at all. They will simply do as they are told or kneel so the enemy can easily cut off their heads.

      Unfortunately many are already in that field. Oliver Stone, the movie producer, once said that it was better to be a slave than risk your life for your country. And many liberals believe just that.

      • Robert Smith

        From 45: “Unfortunately many are already in that field. Oliver Stone, the movie producer, once said that it was better to be a slave than risk your life for your country.”

        Actually most Cubans are far better off under Castro than they were under the criminal Batista.

        And! Their health care is just about equal to America’s.

        Rob

  • Santi

    DaveH People like you are just like that Rosie Odonald piece of sh-t. She said I don’t care if you call it socialist or communist she get it done. We are losing our rights left and right, but it’s okay with you. STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TIME

      Are you on drugs?

      • DaveH

        That’s what a public school education does for people these days.

        • Robert Smith

          From DaveH: >>>That’s what a public school education does for people these days.<<<

          Yup, that good old no child left behind from GWB.

          Rob

          • JeffH

            …polly want a cracker…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • Robert Smith

            GWB still corrupted our education system.

            Unless you have something substantive to say it stands.

            Rob

          • JeffH

            2nd verse…Polly want a cracker…liberal…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • TIME

            Robert, Who started the DOE? How about the NEA?

            Now place the blame where the blame should be, seem fair to you?
            GWB was no better than Carter, no better than Clinton, nor Barry.

            Can YOU fathom “they all are cut from the same cloth” so is your head where the sun fails to shine? Or is it that your just not all that bright?

          • http://naver samurai

            No where near as currupted as it is now by you left wing extremists! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Time asks: “Robert, Who started the DOE?<<>>Now place the blame where the blame should be, seem fair to you?<<<

            Yup, squairly on George W. Bush.

            "Can YOU fathom “they all are cut from the same cloth”

            The right wing has made a particular effort to take over schools. Look what they did in Texas. Sheesh, preaching in science class. The kids know it and it tosses respect by the kids out the window.

            Rob

        • Vigilant

          Robert Smith:

          “From DaveH: >>>That’s what a public school education does for people these days.<<<

          Yup, that good old no child left behind from GWB."

          How conveniently you choose to ignore the part played by that "Lion of the Senate," Teddy Kennedy, in having the bill written, sponsoring the bill, moving it through the Senate to passage, etc.

          But, then again, I'm getting used to that kind of intellectual dishonesty from the left.

          • Robert S

            Vigilant You just showed us that there is no difference between the 2 parties.

    • JeffH

      Santi…are you on drugs?

      • JeffH

        …saw your apology to DaveH below…no prob.

  • Santi

    I meant (she said)

  • Al Sieber

    I already have a niece and nephew over there, and just learned Saturday that my grand daughter is being deployed to Afghanistan in January. so this could be our last Christmas for awhile.

    • libertytrain

      Al – it is difficult as parents or grandparents of deployed soldiers – just went through it myself with my daughter and son-in-law (it was a long year) and will pray for her to have a safe year.

      • Al Sieber

        libertytrain, thanks for your support, and god bless you man.

        • libertytrain

          woman :)

          • Al Sieber

            God bless you lady!!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          If they want someone to talk to, I’ve been there myself. I have the time to answer any questions they may have. My oldest son joined the army in August and was commissioned a 2LT in the infantry. He’s currently attending infantry school at Ft. Benning, Georgia. I’ve told him many things about Afghanistan and Iraq. Keep up the good fight and the faith and they’ll come home with big smiles on their faces. My best to them and good luck to them too. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver sook young

          Al, I know how you must feel. When my husband went to those places I was alone with four children to raise. I always watched the news, read his letters many times, and prayed every day for him to come back to me safe. The hardest part for me was not knowing what he went through over there. I’ll be praying for them and I wish them a safe return home.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

      • Marten

        I find it amazing that Americans send their children to die for NOTHING, but big Corp….boycott the military meat grinder…..

        • 45caliber

          If those soldiers thought that they were fighting and dying for Big Corp, as you call it, they wouldn’t have joined. They are fighting for freedom. YOU may believe that all the wars are due to Big Corp but they do not. Trying to say what you just did is a dis-service to them and their families. If you really believe it, PROVE IT WITH EVIDENCE WE CAN ALL BELIEVE. (Simply insisting you are right is a waste of time. Why should you be right and everyone else wrong?) Then they wouldn’t sign up in the first place. Until you REALIZE why they sign up and go, you are simply blowing smoke that no one wants to see or hear.

          • Robert Smith

            From 45: >>> They are fighting for freedom. <<<

            Some are, hopefully most are. Sadly as things stand open gays can't fight for freedom. Simple fear and bigotry keeps them out.

            But some joined because they couldn't get a job and in the military their families are guaranteed health care, education, and a whole lot more respect than they would get in the hood.

            Up until the late 1970s a lot of judges would "overlook" some crimes, particularly like drunk driving, if the perp enlisted.

            Rob

          • 45caliber

            Gays CAN fight for freedom – as long as that is their sole goal for joining the military. Many are known by their team mates. It is when they start propositioning their team mates or making a big thing about gay rights that they are reported and kicked out of the military. The military is in the business of defense – not a sex club. Heteros also get kicked out for the same reason – but the MSM doesn’t bother to report that.

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, the gays are not the subject here. Remember “The Defense of Marriage Act” and “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” are still and will always be in effect. I know so many that didn’t join for any reason other than the college money. No patriotism and no big companies either. Just their own desires. As my first BN commamder (LTC Constanguay) told me: “You have two kinds of soldiers in this man’s army. The one’s who joined for the college money and the one’s who didn’t, but the one’s who didn’t are your better crop of soldiers.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert S

            45 They are fighting for freedom over there while we lose our freedom here.

  • TIME

    People have any of you ever picked up the book 1984? If not you all really need to, and VERY SOON.

    We are living that very book now as it unfolds, the never ending wars, the invasion of your rights by Big Old Uncle sam looking into every nook of your life.

    Soon it will progress to coming and picking up your friends and YOU.

    So what will it take to WAKE YOU UP?

    What part of this program is not clear yet?

    • Al Sieber

      TIME, I’ve read 1984 years ago, I know what time it is. they can come and try and pick me up, but, I’m not going quietly in to the night. read “Gulag Archipelago” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Brave New Worlds by Huxley was good also. thanks for the reminders.

      • libertytrain

        You are so right – the Gulag Archipelago was very very good – I read the other as well but this one still gives me the chills – I think because it was real

    • DavidL

      What’s the matter with you? Fox, Beck, Rove, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levine, Palin, Tea Party founders (Koch brothers,Army, etc), don’t want us to read 1984. If we did, their game would be up. I used to teach 1984, and you are pointing it at the wrong target.

      • DaveH

        Just what are you trying to say, DavidL?

        • DavidL

          DaveH,

          My point is that Fox, Beck, Rove, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levine, Palin, Tea Party founders (Koch brothers,Army, etc),are the deceivers, manipulators, and con men. Blowhards all!

          If you are rich, vote for the Republicans. If you are Middle class, vote for the Democrats.

          • John

            Only a fool would vote by party and not what is at a candidates core.

          • Average Joe

            DavidL,
            You seem to be stuck in “party” politics. Both sides of the media, government, etc. are equally guilty of playing out the senario. A little reminder from one of my favoeite authors:

            Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • JeffH

            DavidL, you should go preach your crap to the DailyKos or HuffPost.

            You’re still stuck in the little world the MSM wants people like you in. This little game has moved way beyond the Repub/Dem, left/right paradigm.

            Tell us what the great George Soros, Multi-billionaire funder of leftwing causes and groups and Founder of the Open Society Institute,
            has done lately, speaking of manipulation. Can you say Moveon.org or Center for American Progress? Soros’s methods may change from time to time, and the issues shift – but his goals remain the same. Soros is the leader of a “shadow party” that controls the Democratic Party, and eventually, the U.S. government. Soros is just the tip of the iceberg.

          • JeffH

            I’ll take it a step higher…The Rothschilds.

            The Rothschilds are not just bankers, but main players in the game of Risk and instigators of the wars, internal strife we have eperienced on two oceans and several seas.

            The only Army worth considering,. the US, has been so weakened as to be useless. Most of the veterans of the Gulf Wars (1991) have either died or are on 100% disability from exposure to DU. In 2003-2006, Bush/Cheney deliberately prolonged the wars so as to kill off and/or disable most of the US Army, and soldiers, plus bring back DU to the soldier’s families. Primarily Nat’l Guard, recruits, contractors were used. The Regular army soldier’s were held back to safe positions in Europe are not sufficient in number, and far from home. Possibly Bush/Cheney’s orders were to deliberately destroy as much of the US army as possible to prevent a military coup. through prolonging conflicts, and creating a no-man’s land in Iraq, Afganistan. OBAMA IS DOING IT NOW! EXACTLY AND THERES’ THE REASON FOR THE TRUMPED UP WARS’ EVERY SOLDIER KILLED IS ONE LESS WORRY TO THESE BASTARDS’!!!

            The Obama administration think they’ll get to call martial law, but it is entirely possible that Rothschilds have a surprise for them–they have a habit of dumping people they’re done with.

          • 45caliber

            DavidL

            You should have said, if you are on welfare you should vote for the Democrats. The middle class, at least here in the South, realize that most of the funding that the politicians use to buy block votes such as welfare are coming from the middle class. And we don’t like it – which is why the South changed from Democrat in 1960 to Republican today. Just those in the North still believe the Democrats represent them.

          • spike

            You are a sick, sick person, David.
            Do you have a clue that Abraham Lincoln, and with his faults, considered, I will say I think he was one of the most dangerous, and genuine of heart with a heart and mind for his country that ever lived or filled the oval office, was a Republican? The man was not rich, neither was I. But I do have common sense. You can’t penalize the rich and give to the poor, you can’t penalize the rich and the most brilliant minds in the world will not want to work for you. Big business is supposed to be rich, poor men create jobs for nobody. I run a small business. I can barely afford…I am being pushed . I hang onto God’s word every day, and I know he will keep his promises, even if Washington doesn’t. That’s all I can say. I am a Republican, if you want to call it that. I would, however, vote for a Democrat that wasn’t a socialist, a liar, or in favor of the government paying for somebody else’s birth control (abortions) let’s face it, America. Nobody’s taking away anybody’s choice. YOu chose who to get in bed with, whether or not to use b.c., and nobody from the government,nor your neighbors had any say in the matter. Don’t decide later that the government or your neighbors need to help you rectify your “mistake”…that’s Democrat rhetoric.

          • http://naver samurai

            Oh, I don’t know. I’ve never been rich and I’ve never voted dem/lib in my life. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Time says: >>>We are living that very book now as it unfolds, the never ending wars, the invasion of your rights by Big Old Uncle sam looking into every nook of your life.<<<

      Yup, if you have a camera on your laptop it can be reached remotely by scum who want to spy on whoever happens to be in front of it.

      It's in court now… School kids were monitored on computers given to them by the school.

      1984 is HERE and NOW. Be careful though. According to the Patriot Act left to us by GWB if you check 1984 out of your local library they will know.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        “According to the Patriot Act left to us by GWB if you check 1984 out of your local library they will know.”

        Your usual intellectual dishonesty. Obama & Co. EXTENDED the Patriot Act, so kindly spare us the continual Bush-bashing harangue…and tell me how the Patriot Act changed your life, or ANYBODY’S life, in a negative way.

        • 45caliber

          It got a few terrorists. I’m sure that changed their lives.

      • http://naver samurai

        Bush, baaaaa! Patriot Act, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can we ever have some new material from you lib, gay lover, baby killing, marists? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jerry

    Until such time the United States replaces current war doctrine, strategy, tactics and rules of engagement the military will continue it’s stalemate in the War on Terrorism. The politicians in Washington DC, including the president, are responsible for not allowing the military the authority or resources to prosecute the enemy in total war with one goal in mind, to end this war in the shortest time possible with the unconditional surrender of the enemy. Those who aid the enemy such as Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Algeria, Syria, Oman, Libya, Lebanon, Palestine, Somalia, Bangladesh, Indonesia and others, must be treated as hostile combatants in an axis of evil banned together for the explicit purpose to destroy the United States. Until The United States adopts a scorched earth policy towards these countries our military forces will continue to placed in harms way under conditions detrimental to their survival due to inadequate guidance and lack of authority to secure a swift unconditional surrender of the enemy. As President Bush once said, “Either you’re with us or you’re against us.”

    • 45caliber

      Jerry:

      Let us rather say that if any of these countries refuses to allow us free access to any terrorists hiding in their countries then we will resort to a scorched earth policy. If they back off and allow us in without hinderance, we will do as little damage to them as possible – but we will take out anyone who gets in the way such as a police captain who insists we can’t search a house we believe a terrorist is hiding in.

      Actually I hate to see us get that far – but I don’t think we have any choice if we intend to stop terrorists.

      Frankly I believe that we should simply provide all troops with syringes of dried pig blood. When they kill some terrorist, they add water, shake and inject. I believe that you would see a sudden stop to terrorist attacks by Islamist followers at least.

      • Robert Smith

        From 45: >>>I believe that you would see a sudden stop to terrorist attacks by Islamist followers at least.<<<

        What will stop them is to speak in their language. Their language is violence and terror. We need to speak that as loud as we can, just as they are. We want to make sure they understand. If one of our civilians is killed we find the home village of the perps and make sure enough are killed over there to assure that they get the message.

        BTW, hate is not a message. Hate is a wasted emotion that doesn't accomplish much except ruin those who hate.

        Rob

        • 45caliber

          For once I’ll agree with you. The reason I mentioned the pig blood is because they believe that if their body is contaminated with it, they cannot go to Paradise. So … let them know that if they get caught, they don’t go to Paradise. It worked for Pershing; I’m sure it would today too.

          Incidently, Russia used your method at Beruit when they were kidnapping people. They kidnapped some Russians. The KGB learned the names of two of the terrorists involved. The Russians went to the home village of the terrorists, lined up their families in the streets, and shot them. Then they announced they were going to do the same thing to the families of the rest of the terrorists until their people were released.

          It took two hours.

          Israel has tried to do something similiar. (Taught by some Americans, no less) If someone fires a missile at them, they shoot back at the site. The idea is that even though the terrorists have moved, the survivors won’t allow the terrorists to come back to do it again. It sort of works – except that Islam is basically a death worship religion. Like most terrorists, they WANT to die because they can go immediately to Paradise. (Thanks to AMerican pressure they don’t do as much of that as they used to do.)

          • spike

            Black Jack Pershing had the right idea. He lined them up, and dipped the bullets the firing squad was using in pigs blood. We need to get the pig farmers to start herding their pigs through the streets of France during prayer time, and dump a big load of pig’s blood on the site of the mosque at ground zero. Bingo. Problem solved.

    • Robert Smith

      From Jerry: >>>Until such time the United States replaces current war doctrine, strategy, tactics and rules of engagement the military will continue it’s stalemate in the War on Terrorism. <<<

      Sadly that war of terror is being financed by the drug war. Take the money out of the drug trade and a lot of the terrorist organizations will crumble.

      Rob

  • Donny

    Good points all. I boldly suggest three things. 1) 12 year term limits for legislators and Federal judges. 2) Balanced budget. 3) All overseas military bases closed and soldiers returned home. If the other countries want protection, we can open a base, staff it, and hire mercenaries. But, they pay the bill.

    1) and 2) would solve most of our problems. 3) would get our people out of the way of unnecessary harm and help greatly to implement 2).

    It’ll never happen unless 90% of Americans get together on this. That won’t happen because of individual agendas, apathy, lack of interest, laziness, unwillingness to work to achieve something good for all, ignorance, and propaganda.

    In addition, how many people want to eliminate their own jobs? Only the altruistic. How many people are altruistic in the US? One? Two?

    There was one person in the world a few years back but she died. Mother Teresa.

    • Al Hu

      Thanks Donny, I will add one more thing, no foreign aid for buying arms and ammunations. Only humanitarian aid for food and medical supplies. We are getting bankcrupt! Charity begins at home. Balance the budget first, get out of debt second and live happily thereafter!

      • 45caliber

        I would prefer no foreign aid AT ALL except for emergencies such as earthquakes. And definately no weapons. I don’t know if you are familiar with the “humanitarian” group called CARE. It is supposed to be providing food to foreign countries to help the starving. Actually it is financed almost entirely by the government and is used to provide food to foreign countries for their militaries. That way we can’t be accused of supporting them militarily.

    • 45caliber

      Donny:

      I would add something else. No more than two Supreme Court justices can be appointed by any one President.

      Can you imagine the problems if each President (on a 8 year term) was able to appoint a majority of justices? Each court would immediately rule whatever way the President’s party wanted and overturn every one before. You could NEVER get any law established that couldn’t be almost immediately overturned due to political reasons.

    • dahni uru

      Good comments from Donny and the reply posts. I agree with all of you.

  • http://rabkb@msn.com Bruce

    What is realy sad for the American people, us, is that everything is based on: “…use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”(as stated in this article)
    What happened on 9/11 was a planned demolition, inside job with no regaurd to innocent human lives. Anyone with moderate construction and building knowledge can evaluate this with out some false investigation panel to lie to the American people. We, soldiers would be considered “casualties of war” but now the American people are considered as “casualties” for the Elite agenda’s purpose.
    9/11 was and still is an attack on the American people from the ruling parties that are with in our own Government Institution and ruling parties in order to lead the US into false defensive measures against countries that the Elite have an interest in controlling for their own profit, gain, and hidden purpose.
    There is no standing reason for this because there are no actual Terrorists except that wich is being propagandized to create fear for the American people based on a revenge attitude for an event, 9/11, that was staged from the start. Pearl Harbor was created again. What I can not figure out is why are the American people so blind and fearfull to speak out in truth for their own freedom, to protect the Constitution and to stand up for truth based upon the Ten Commandments. Why are we not enforcing the Bill of Rights and standing up as proud Americans, standing up for our children, for our future, for our lives?

    • Jerry

      Bruce, first, please explain in full your comment “What happened on 9/11 was a planned demolition, inside job with no regaurd to innocent human lives.” Second, as evidenced in your comment, you are confused why America declared the War on Terrorism. Bruce, Islamic extremists terrorized America through their premeditated and unprovoked attacks of 11 September 2001 resulting in the murder of 3000 of our countrymen on American soil. What other recourse did America have but to retaliate against these evil people who hate America with every fiber of their being? Bruce, either you are with America in support of this war or you are against America. What side of the fence are you on in this matter?

      • joego

        We need to clearly see the threat that Islam poses and contain it as well as we can. If we seek to attack each and every terrorist base in Islamic countries we should just admit we are in a war with Islam instead of the war with “_____” terrorists. Get out of Islamic countries and don’t let them in this one. Problem solved. Islam is more than a religion it is a civil code in Sharia law and does not belong in this country.

      • ValDM

        I have never been “for” war. That does not make me against USA. There was a better alternative to war: We should have shut our borders, brought ALL our fighting forces home, shut down our foreign bases, deport ALL foreighn nationals, and guarded our borders. THAT would have been FAR more acceptable than an almost 10 year war.

        • 45caliber

          And that would do … what? It certainly won’t protect our country. It would simply allow the enemy all the time they wanted to infiltrate and then destroy. How many times have you heard someone at a murder site on televisions say something like, “But he was such a nice person! I never would have believed he would do something like this!”

          At most it might have given us ten years without a problem. Which we have had in the US. Now we’ve had two attempted bombings (that they will admit) since Oblama took over. It is only time until some of these characters are successful. It wouldn’t have mattered if we had stayed home or if we had done what we did. When someone wants to kill you, the ONLY way to stop him is to kill him first. Anything else is only stalling things for a time.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Jerry,

        How about eyewitness testimony of multiple explosions on the lower floors of the Twin Towers before and after the plane hit the tower?

        First is two firefighters detailing secondary explosions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=player_embedded

        Next is firefighters describing molten steel in the basement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM&feature=player_embedded

        Next two are interviews with two employees in the basement at the time the plane hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQk3XXBot9c&feature=player_embedded

        Note at about the 4:40 mark his description of multiple explosions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpaZE5XSfg&feature=player_embedded

        These were obtained from the NIST only after a FOI request was filed and litigated.

        There are numerous eyewitness reports that the 9/11 commission ignored. The government doesn’t want the truth out.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • 45caliber

          Bob:

          Before you can blame someone for setting explosives up in the WTC to drop it, consider – what exactly is an explosion?

          It is the rapid decomposition of something that changes its volumn. (That is the best description I can give.)

          Gunpowder is a solid that changes to a gas very rapidly. It must be contained to experience an explosion because in normal air it would simply allow the vapor to expand without any significant damage to anything around it. It would burn fast – as it does.

          But such explosions can also be done in a non-enclosed space. The air/fuel bombs the military uses are of this nature. The fuel (liquid) is spread throughout an area by an explosion of something else. It in turn is ignited. If enough is in the air, the expansion of the liquid to gas is so rapid that the air itself acts as a container that confines the expansion to a point that it will create a blast.

          The fuel in the planes was splashed all over everything. Liquid fuel DOES NOT BURN! You can create a spark under the surface of gasoline and the liquid gasoline will put it out. In fact, the way to weld on a tank that has gasoline in it is to submerge the point being welded. It only burns when it reaches a vapor state after evaporation. The spilled fuel can act as explosions by – as example – getting inside a cabinet and converting a part to vapor before ignition. Then it will explode.

          Think about it. If you ever try to fly an airplane, you feel good if you are within a dozen feet of where you are supposed to be – even if you are an experienced pilot. All pilots can have rugged landings on occasion. If someone was to plant explosives in the WTC with the intent of dropping it, they would have to know exactly where the plane was to hit. And the plane would have to hit that spot – with an inexperienced pilot. Then the explosives would all have to explode at the same time. How would you arrange that? The fires from the burning fuel should ignite them one at a time if you aren’t careful. Further, you would have to make sure the crash of the plane wouldn’t knock some of them out of their positions which would cause a one-sided explosion.

          I have no doubt that some small explosions were noted. But if the steel structure was destroyed by explosions you could see that on the video of the burning building when it started to fall. I’ve seen that but I don’t remember seeing any explosions then. It simply fell.

          I would suggest that you talk with some good physists or engineers about this. Due to your position, you might want to try MIT. I believe they will tell you the same thing I just did.

        • Jerry

          Bob,

          What 45caliber writes is absolutely correct. In addition, I would submit, in the below ground and ground levels of the WTC were the fuel storage and fuel service tanks (Number 1 or 2 Diesel Fuel or LPG) required to support the operation of the emergency generators, emergency internal combustion engine driven fire pumps, etc. A building the size of the WTC has many flammable and potentially explosive materials on those levels that could cause the collateral explosions experienced from the principal explosions,the deluge of JP fuel (kerosene)and the uncontrollable fires that spread rapidly throughout the massive structure that was the WTC. Moreover, massive quantities of building materials such as aluminum, PVC (piping and electrical cable/wiring insulation), styrofoam, steel and other materials that melts and flows like lava from a volcano created by the burning aircraft-titanium, aluminum, etc.- that started and fueled the fire storms of the already broken structure causing the WTC to eventually implode.

      • 45caliber

        Jerry,

        Don’t forget the 10 or so other attacks on us such as WTC 1, and the bomb blast in Beruit, and the ship blown up and …

        We didn’t react or we didn’t react in a way that threatened the terrorists. We should have but we didn’t. We were trying to be nice – something they love their victims to do. Some of those attacks went back at least 20 years before 911.

        • Marten

          And what about building 7 ??????

      • spike

        I have said this once, and I will say it again: How would you all have felt if, on 9/l2/0l, Gw had said: My fellow Americans, we know who did this, and we chose to forgive them. Now, let’s just clean up the mess.

      • Vigilant

        Jerry:

        Bruce is promulgating the wacko, disproven conspiracy theory that the US was an active participant in the 9/11 tragedies. Popular Mechanics disproved, point by point, this half-baked batch of lies years ago.

        What the wackos will never see, aside from the scientific disproof of the theory, is that no one could pull off an operation of that size, requiring hundreds if not thousands of conspirators, without one leak.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Bruce: >>> Anyone with moderate construction and building knowledge can evaluate this…<<<

      And the obvious conclusion is that a couple of airplanes with a lot of fuel on board hit two buildings. The blast took the heat protection off the beams and the flames heated it to failure much more quickly than expected.

      Simple.

      BTW, at 100 yards (just over the 275' of the shots Oswald made) with an M-1 (semi-auto rather than bolt action) years ago I could easily print a 5 inch group with iron sights. Gimme a scope and I'll tighten that up a lot, and get 'em out quickly, even with a bolt action.

      There were several other guys at the Quantico range that day who had no trouble getting three quick shots out to 100 yards with a small group.

      That proved to me that Oswald could have fired the shots.

      It's that simple.

      Rob

  • eddie47d

    A question for Mr Livingston; Are you saying our government is deliberately putting GPS systems on vehicles of ordinary American citizens and not someone suspected of a crime? Please clarify. Also,a lot of veterans return angry from all wars and have strong opinions on both sides of the issue. Which veterans are labeled as terrorists and for what reason?

    • Vicki
    • DaveH

      They’re putting them into the cars, Eddie. ONSTAR, etc.

      • Average Joe

        Darn near every vehicle comming off any assembly line in the world today has a navigational system (GPS) built right onboard (ONSTAR,Garmin etc. How nice of them to put those little map systems to make our lives easier….Evey time it is used, they know exactly where you are. I am a surveyor by trade, I’ll stick with the paper map.
        I’ve never been lost, but as a surveyor, I am always hunting for the world around me, and some of it is really hard to find……

      • 45caliber

        They are also putting GPSs onto all cars so that in the near future they can start charging you a “road tax”. This is to be determined when your GPS sends a signal to some receiver they place beside the road that gives your milage. At the end of each month you are to be charged a tax for the miles you drove as recorded and reported by the GPS on your car.

        And you better hope the maps are correct – which they aren’t now. They also want the GPS to note every time you exceed the speed limit as posted on their maps and failure to stop at any stop signs and …

        The idea is to not only send you a bill for road tax but also all those tickets you deserve because your car’s GPS said so.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear eddie47d,

      You ask, “Are you saying our government is deliberately putting GPS systems on vehicles of ordinary American citizens and not someone suspected of a crime?” Yes, I’m saying exactly that.

      You ask, “Which veterans are labeled as terrorists and for what reason?” A Department of Homeland Security report and other reports issued by State and Federal government have labeled returning veterans as potential terrorists, along with Ron Paul supporters, advocates for smaller government and Tea Party members. The reason, I suspect, is that those groups oppose the oppressive, fascist regime.

      A bigger question is; why are you singling out two minor points in this column while ignoring the column’s gist? You have nothing to say about Obama continuing the Bush policies of a multi-billion dollar war without borders and apparently without end and increased surveillance and oppression of the general citizenry?

      Until you divest yourself of the left-right (or Democrat-Republican) paradigm, you will never be able to see the larger picture (nor will anyone lost in that paradigm), and that is that Government is working overtime to steal your wealth and freedom and turn you into its vassal.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JeffH

        Bob Livingston, thank you but will it take?

        • dan az

          JeffH
          Has it ever?

      • 45caliber

        Bob:

        If you or anyone else ever believed we could invade Afghanistan and/or Iraq or any other place and immediately end terrorism you have no idea of what terrorism is. There are terrorists all over the world. They have all the advantages since they act in small groups which are hard to detect and try their best to hide until they are able to attack. And they don’t attempt to attack military since the military can shoot back. They attack innocent civilians who generally have no weapons or at least none at hand.

        What you are basically saying here is that since we did not immediately stop all terrorist attacks everywhere in the world, we failed and therefore should pull out. That does absolutely nothing except say that the deaths of our soldiers in trying to stop the terrorists were wasted. I take it back – it does do something. It encourages every terrorist in the world to attack us again.

      • eddie47d

        Dear Bob, I think the whole nation is aware that Obama is still pursuing Bush’s War so there wasn’t any reason to ask you about that.Anyway, thanks for taking my questions.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well, Bob, I guess that means that since I’m a retired veteran and TEA PARTY member I’m possibly on this list? Let them come for me. I’ll give them a fight they’ll never forget. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • TIME

      Eddie,

      Look last year a part of the second stage of the plan unfolded and Americans still have no clue what happened, what is that you ask?

      The Census people came by YOUR home and plotted your home on GPS tracking, alos please keep in mind – your cell phones track you, your computers track you, your On Star tracks you.
      Here’s a little something I bet you don’t know, lets say your on the road and for what ever reason you become “WANTED,” well with your handy in car computer’s On Star even if you don’t have it, can not only shut down your car, and LOCK your doors so you can’t get out but pin point your exact spot.

      And if thats not enough to flip your twinkies, in 2011 the congress and Senate will be passing laws that YOU must be chipped its in the HCR bill, but Cass Sunstien had to get the outline down. That chip will also be able to shut YOU DOWN, think of a taser like implant.
      Now do you see how bad it is, oh and thats not some crazy wild talk thats the facts. Also if you wish to buy food, pay bills or even get a pay check or a job, this implant will be the only way you will be able to. Now is the light getting brighter?

      As to the WTC, do yourself a really large favor, contact people who do demo work, as well as people who disign and build such buildings. Watch Loose Change.
      And if you have questions please ask. You will find more than you may wish to know with just what I pointed out above.

      Look dude, I don’t dislike anyone we all will meet the same fate, understand that “PURE EVIL EXIST”, and its called the Progressive Party, they are the founders of the New World Order of what Both Bush’s as well Bill Clinton and wife as well Barry Soetoro are all parts of the same order.

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you on some but not all. Incidently, did you realize that 60% of all US spy satellites are pointed at the US?? And they have enough resolution to read a newspaper on the ground. They take a picture of every point in the US every 4 seconds and have the ability to detect you inside a building. They could solve every violent crime in the US in a few hours at most but aren’t used because the government doesn’t want you to realize just how well they watch us.

        On the WTC attacks – NO EXPLOSIVES WERE NEEDED! I’m a mechanical engineer and I design pressure vessels for a living. Most pressure vessels have pressure because they are heated. Steel starts losing its strength at 600 degrees. By 1200 degrees it basically can’t hold any pressure at all. We have to be very careful about what kind of material we can use with higher temperatures to prevent the vessel from exploding.

        The fires at the WTC heated the steel there far above what was needed for failure. SOME of the fuel was vaporized when the planes hit but most didn’t – and ONLY vaporized fuel burns. Liquid does not until it evaporates. The military uses an air/fuel mixture to make explosions far greater than almost anything else. I don’t remember the exact formulas and don’t feel like looking it up but basically one cubic foot of fuel (about 8 gallons) can create over a 1000 cubic feet of vapor – before it is mixed with air.

        Structural members in high rise buildings are insulated – simply to try to keep the steel from getting hot for as along as possible due to a fire. Most try for at least one hour – some will go for three hours. But as soon as the steel gets hot enough the sheer weight of the steel itself will cause it to bend – to fail. Add the weight of the structure above the burning level and I’m surprised it lasted as long as it did. When steel in such a situation does fail, it is due to gravity which is STRAIGHT DOWN. When several floors worth of weight drop a story (considered to be 10 feet) it is quite a blow – far more than the unheated steel below it can take. The greater the weight above it the more likely it is to drop straight down.

        That’s how a good explosive expert drops a building straight down. He destroys all the supports on ONE floor and allows the weight of the rest to collapse the building. But since all the beams are cold, he must do it all at once.

        With the WTC there was enough fire to heat all the beams at once on that floor. It just took awhile due to the insulation – and the insulation insured that all the steel was at about the same temperature so it wouldn’t fall on one side and not the other.

        Sorry to blow your theory in this one case but there was no need to put explosives in those buildings to drop them. Even so, some steel fell several blocks away. The building the Muslims want to tear down for their mosque is two blocks away but it was damaged.

        Some other places such as Oklahoma DID have explosives. In that case the FBI had stored two tons of TNT in their offices as “evidence” of some crime – which was detonated by the bomb outside. That was the main reason the building there was damaged since the bomb outside would normally have only blown off the glass and some of the brick. The outside blast would have killed many but the explosion inside did most of the damage.

        • Vicki

          Thanks 45. I am glad there is someone else here that understands basic metallurgy and is not buying into the “inside job” conspiracies.

      • eddie47d

        Time,You took my question a little further and your answer was certainly better than Bob’s. Every citizen can track someone elses whereabouts at least in some cases.So it shouldn’t be surprising that the government can take it even further.

      • spike

        Well, Time, this chip you refer to is referred to in the book of Revelation as the ‘MARK OF THE BEAST’ Christians have known this was coming for ….a couple thousand years, almost. We know how the story ends. If you don’t believe in the Bible, then explain to me how it foretells all the stuff that is going on now. This is not Nostradamus stuff, it’s God’s stuff. and it’s true.

    • 45caliber

      eddie:

      Which veterans should be on the government’s “terrorist” list? All of them. Most political liberals if not all liberals believe that anyone who would volunteer for the military is a potential murderer because they obviously want to kill someone or they wouldn’t join the military in the first place. (You very seldom see a liberal in the military.) And you can’t trust anyone who has shown that he/she wants to kill someone. Further, they believe that anyone who disagrees with their goals (a utopia where everyone has everything they need and never has to work for it) must have a mental problem – i.e., they are nuts. And you can’t trust anyone who is crazy to understand and do things right all the time.

      So all of them are suspects.

      But keep in mind – they are using the word “terrorist” wrong because it is a word that gets attention as “bad”. A terrorist is actually someone who wants to use violence against innocent victims in an attempt to frighten you into obeying them. Saddam would fall into this but a normal murderer would not. Nor would someone simply arguing the other side of some point. They simply want to discredit anyone who might disagree with them.

      • eddie47d

        That a fairly loose definition of Veteran=terrorist. Liberals do serve in the military but most career military are conservative.

        • 45caliber

          eddie:

          Some liberals do serve in the military, yes. And most of them come home with a mental problem (from a liberal view) – they have become conservative after they see what the liberals in Washington are doing to them.

          • eddie47d

            I could argue just the opposite point; That many go in conservative(patriotic) and come out liberal. I’ve seen plenty of those guys. We’ve had too many lying wars and that can knock the conservative right out of you.

  • http://gmail i41

    I have several neices and nephews in the military arond the world. The biggest complaint of the ones who have been home after a deployment is the, changing rules of engagement. Go look at what pus brained idoits, in the beltway that help draft them. Same damn thing as Nam all over, remember the millions that were slaughter after the dems refused to give funds to fight the North. When we went to Iraq,if some rag head was waving iron around, you dropped his rear. Now you have to tell the bastard to put his weapon down, the few seconds yakking will get your a$$ dropped, as well as the faking out of putting the weapon down. If the pot gutted smucks in the beltway would let the military do their job things would get cleaned up a lot faster. Same goes for going after illegals, border patrol cann’t travel on government land or drive on it, because EPA will not sign off on maybe having some envior damage, what digging holes to hide spotters for the illegals, but illegals can dig in bunkers with living quarters, 80 miles in the USA, did the drug lords and Holder get the permits to approve this?

    • 45caliber

      What would you do if you were in a crowd minding your business and someone started shooting at someone else?

      You would either try to find a pebble to hide behind or run like h@ll!

      Yet in the rules of engagement our men are forced to follow, if someone starts shooting at you from a crowd, you MUST not shoot unless ONLY the one shooting at you is hit. In other words, you act as a target. If the one shooting at you is standing behind men who only stand there, then you can bet that those standing there are shields are as guilty as the one shooting at you.

      Yet we have Marines who are being tried in court for shooting those shields who were aiding those shooting. The idiots in Washington simply can’t understand that those shields were not shooting too only because they didn’t have a gun. If in the US, they would be judged as ‘accessories’ to the crime.

    • 45caliber

      The drug lords, etc. don’t have permits but they are illegal so you have to forgive them.

  • DaveH

    The question is – Just how long can we spend our money and natural resources fighting all these futile foreign wars before we impoverish ourselves to the extent that we can no longer repel actual attacks on our country?
    I dislike the radical Muslims as much as anybody, but you can’t let your common sense fall prey to your emotions. We are running around the world fighting for the freedom of others, while our own freedom is being trampled.
    Government has been spending close to 40% of our Gross Domestic Product. That translates roughly to 40% of your annual income being taken by Government to provide you “protection”. Even the Mafia only charged 20%. Look around you. Our economy sucks. Do you really think you’re getting your moneys’ worth?
    Our Forefathers knew the scoop. They learned the hard way. Do we have to foolishly ignore their experience and suffer the same, before we finally wake up?
    Vote Libertarian, the only political party that knows what real freedom is. We offer Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets:
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • EltonJ

      I’m voting Libertarian this year.

    • 45caliber

      DaveH:

      If you check, the Democrat way to handle a bad economy is to start a war with someone. Unfortunately, the GOP is copying them – or trying to. (I will admit that Bush did NOT start the present war due to economic reasons – we were attacked.) A bad economy is a result of having too much goods and not enough people with money to buy them. You can’t afford to keep people working to make the goods that no one buys so you have to cut back or shut down. Normally we try to export all our extra goods but the government has stopped that so the foreign countries can “build up their economy”. Instead we import to help them expand – which gives us even more goods we need to use up.

      But a war is a great way to rebuild a country. FDR used it in WWII for that reason. And it worked. WWI and Korea, ditto. You can put most of your unemployed back to work and get rid of your surplus population at the same time. People aren’t going to complain about the economy or the excess taxes as they are too worried about the safety of some family members. And it exports a lot of goods (ammo, etc.) which would otherwise just pile up due to a lack of customers and uses them up fast so more are required.

      • DavidL

        Great analysis. Please go sign up and fight in the war. That way our economy will prospers and we will reduces our “excess” population at the same time. I think that works, right?

        Oh, you want others to go and not you. That may be a problem, right?

        • 45caliber

          I have. Tell me, have you? I seriously doubt it.

  • EltonJ

    Congress should declare war.

    • 45caliber

      They did – twice.

      • TIME

        Just on the wrong people.

        • 45caliber

          No, actually the right people – the terrorists. They just don’t like to admit it. The declaration of war basically says we shall carry the war to wherever the terrorists hide. Afghanistan, fine. Iraq, okay, Pakistan … the present government cringes. But terrorists are basically in ALL countries of the world. We have our own share. Check out Oklahoma City. The real problem is that the Democrats have all these give-away programs they need to finance – and war isn’t cheap. So they want to insist that the war is over – when it isn’t – and ignore all the terrorists except those in Afghanistan presently shooting at our soldiers. Even those they’d like to ignore if they could.

          • TIME

            I am referring to Congress and the Senate, as well the FED, DOJ, FBI, NSA, and IRS, just to name a few.
            As far as the the reat, they not unlike us are a means to an end, they are being played just like everyone else.

            Pit one group aginst the other. Thus the end run, while everyone blames each other and fights each other.

          • 45caliber

            Okay, I understand now.

  • Warrior

    That eddie just says the damnedest things!

    • TIME

      Warrior, Eddie is waking up, so work with him, he wants to learn.

  • Santi

    DaveH I miss read your blog SORRY.

  • JohnB

    I agree with you 100%, Bob, but the Reagan Era has long gone by the wayside, and we have only ourselves to blame for not supporting him when he was in office. As a consequence, we now face financial ruin and governments run by big business and the oligarchy. The NWO is closing in fast. We all know that 9/11 was a farce perpetrated by those in power, but there is little we can do about it. “Beware of the military-industrial complex” fell on deaf ears. Once the door was opened, all appeals to the contrary were squashed. I don’t recommend reducing our military strength, but starting wars just to keep the arms industry going is an abomination. I highly recommend following Lyndon LaRouche’s plan for employing about 3 million people on the NAWAPA project, that would effect life for the better for this nation as well as Russia and Africa. Check out LaRouchePAC.com now.

  • 45caliber

    Question:

    Are these attacks on our convoys coming because we have attacked terrorists in Pakistan? Or are we attacking terrorists in Pakistan because they are attacking us?

    • JeffH

      BOTH?

    • Marten

      Futile questions….We dont belong there PERIOD…..

      • 45caliber

        Wrong, Marten: If they are killing us, we DO belong there – or anywhere else those enemies are. We want to kill them, not let them run across an invisible border and laugh at us. And not let them run back the moment our backs are turned to do it again.

        You defeat an enemy by both destroying what they can use to make war and by frightening them enough to not try it again.

  • 45caliber

    The U.S. military has been in a constant state of war for more than nine years. U.S. troops are abused and worn down from long deployments, and billions have been spent propping up the military-industrial complex and paying mercenaries six-figure salaries to conduct black ops around the globe. Despite all that the War on Terror continues… even if Obama no longer calls it that.
    ———————————

    The main problem is that Clinton gutted the national military. And the liberals want to do even more today. A standing army is expensive and does absolutely no good unless there is a war to fight. They have to train to keep up their skills and training costs money. As a result, the military we do have today get little time off. One regular Army soldier in our church spend 15 months in Iraq and then got only two months in the states before being sent to Afghanistan. In less than a month they have already lost over a dozen people. At least in Vietnam you were only allowed a 12 month tour with a guaranteed 6 months rest back in the states (unless you volunteered for more of course). So they use National Guardsmen – who were really not meant to fight like that except in emergencies.

    Billions spent? Yes, and most of it is to rebuild the countries. I can see fighting a war but not rebuilding the country of our enemy. Take Japan and Germany today. Offically they are our allies – but the only value of that treaty is for us to defend them. They will do nothing to help us otherwise. And in the meantime they economically bankrupt us. Why build up Iraq or other countries to do the same? I recently heard that Oblama has promised Pakistan $750 BILLION to build up their country. Almost a trillion more dollars we don’t have.

    Paying mercenaries? Sometimes that is the ONLY way to get things done since they can do things our own troops aren’t allowed to do. And the commanders who hire them can disclaim anything mercenaries do. Soldiers fight due to patriotism and a desire to keep their families safe. Mercenaries fight only for money. Are YOU going to put your life on the line for a few hundred dollars a week? I won’t! Not unless I have other reasons to fight. At least I can understand why they are used.

    As far as I’m concerned, what we need to do is go in and destroy as much of the enemy and their ability to make war as possible until we achieve the goals we want and need. Then we leave. Period. When leaving we make a point of letting the survivors know that what they have recieved is what they were due to allowing their leaders to attack us. And we let them know that if they do it again, we will come back and REALLY mess up the place!

    We don’t try to build them up by spending billions we don’t have so they can build a new army and attack us again in ten years or so.

  • DavidL

    to John, Average Joe, and Jeff:

    You are entitle to your own opinion. I respect that. You are not entitled to your own facts. My point is to

  • hundabuxt

    This war is unwinable. The corruption within the government we support is growing worse. We are being taken for a ride and the average citizen of Afganistan struggles against our pressure and that of the opposition. Its very much like Viet Nam where we spent well over 10 years trying to defeat an enemy willing to sacrifice everything and everyone to prevail and the people we were ostensibly fighting for all the while are lazy, corrupt and incompetent and largely ineffective in the field of battle. After we sacrifice in excess of 58,500 of our people plus 350,000 cripled and maimed we leave but give them enough equipment to qualify the country as the 4th largest military in the world and they blew it. They didn’t want it bad enough and got their asses kicked. The people of Afganistan do not want it bad enough either. They will bleed us like a black hole for as long as they can and let our military bear the bulk of the burdens in the field. We will make a few of the corrupt very wealthy, and many others better off for a short while but after we finaly lose heart or lose enough money we don’t have, we’ll leave and just like swishing your hand in a bucket of water sturring thing’s up, remove the hand and the water returns to normal just like you were never there. We can no longer afford to police the world. We spend billions on Iraq and Afganistan while American industry crumbles and American citizens suffer for lack of jobs. We have enemies in the world no doubt-very serious enemies with the intent to destroy us by any means including biological and nucular. The billions spent on unappreciative countries needs to be spent right here at home. Uncle sugar is broke even if he doesn’t know it. We can hunker down here at home and defend ourselves and rebuild our industries not unlike what was accomplished by Japan and Germany following WW2 with our help via the Marshal Plan. Then those countries had a modern infrastructure they used to compete against our aged industries effectively. The world does not love us and never will. They love our money and our strength used on their behalf. The party is over one way or another. I’d rather it was our choice than it come as a default.

  • DavidL

    to John, Average Joe, and Jeff:

    You are entitled to your own opinion. I respect that. You are not entitled to your own facts. My point is to vote your self interest. You do that by first finding out who you are. Historically, the middle class does better under Democratic administrations while the rich do better under Republican administrations. This is an undeniable historical fact of our country.

    Despite what you think is true, the fact is that most “Welfare” (government transfer payments)is given to the middle class and rich in this country.

    I don’t have a love affair with any political party. I believe the Republicans are incompetent and the Democrats spineless. A pox on both their houses. But I’ve been around the block enough to know that the important issue is not that many of our elected leaders are bums. The important issue is, which bum is yours? We have two choices. We either play by the rules, or we lose. Vote your self-interest. The rich do it every single time. In fact, they are so good at it they get a lot of middle class people, and I am suspecting it’s you guys also, to vote against their interest.

    • 45caliber

      Historically you are right about the Democrats. BUT … since 1960 the Democrats have changed. Actually the Democrats used to be considered the conservative party. When they discovered they could get block voting of minorities by giving a few vocal leaders some money or something else they wanted, they jumped on it. Here in the South, most middle class is conservative and it was apparent quickly that the Democrats were using tax money from the middle class to pay off the minorities. So here the middle class started voting GOP – not because we like the GOP but because it isn’t as willing to spend our dollars by giving them to someone who refuses to work. So historically is the wrong way to determine now who to vote for.

      I think those of you in the North are too attached to your unions. You are middle class but you trust your union leaders to vet the politicians for you. And most union leaders are more than willing to take Democrat money to get the followers to vote for them. You need to do your own vetting.

      • Vigilant

        45Caliber:

        I’ve learned to use the tremendous resources of large organizations to do my research and vetting. The process is simple: determine who is endorsed by the AFL-CIO, ACLU, and teachers’ unions, and automatically vote for the other guy. Saves a lot of time.

        • 45caliber

          A very good way to do it. Down here, we look to see who goes after the minority votes.

        • DavidL

          Who are you and and what do you do for a living? Middle class? Rich?

          • 45caliber

            I’m certainly middle class but I’m not rich. And I see more attacks by the Dems on my life style every day than anything the GOP has done to me. I also see more Dems wild ideas of what the world should be than what the GOP has and I don’t like it. I am going to be nice and assume you are middle class and aren’t rich. But you are union. Tell me, why would you want to pay someone as much as $50,000 a month to take things easy until your contract runs out every three years? Then he gets you a raise you would get anyway. Further, he tells you have to vote so you don’t have to think for yourself.

            Me, I prefer thinking – and seeing what a mess the Dems are making of the world. That’s why I want to kick them out.

            I’m not crazy about the GOP but it is a far better choice than the Dems.

      • DavidL

        Hey 45caliber,

        No, the economic data is from a recent analysis covering 1922 until today. Under Democratic Administrations, all income groups do better, even the rich. Under Republican Administrations the rich do extremely well and the rest of us only creep along. The gap between income level grows dramatically when the Republicans are in power. They take care of their own. You should do the same.

        Again, my point is not to rally behind any given political party. My point is to find out who you are, which party (world view) historically supports your best interests, and then vote that interest. If Rich, vote Republican. If Middle Class, vote Democratic.

        We need to be more unionized. The greatest union in modern history is The United States of America. You don’t have a problem with that UNION do you? Again, who supports unions because they improve terms and conditions of employment and raise worker living standards? Democrats! Who opposes unions because they cost the rich money to improve terms and conditions of employment and raise worker living standards? Republicans! The math is clear. Pick a side. You and your family or, the rich.

        • 45caliber

          As long as I can get enough to pay my bills, I’m not worried about a “gap” between what I make and what a CEO makes. You sound as if you are very jealous of him. Ever think that he might be worth more to the company than you are? I simply don’t care what he makes.

          As far as unions are concerned, when they started, they were needed. But when the Mafia and Syndicate got involved they went downhill fast. Now they are more of a strong-arm force blackmailing the company leaders. I have very little use for modern unions – and I have NO use for joining one. Why should I pay $50 a month or so to them so some union leader can take it easy on what I work hard for?

        • 45caliber

          Incidently, “my own” is my family. It is not some minority group – and the Dems represent the minority groups. Do they care about me as a middle class white man? Not a bit – except to take my paycheck so they can pay off those minority groups to vote for them. Do I consider some family on Welfare as “my own?” Not hardly. If they are, due to bad circumstances, and need my help, I will give it – to them. Why should I pay someone else to do it for me?

        • 45caliber

          Incidently, don’t worry about what the Democrats were like in 1922. Or in 1860. Worry about what they are TODAY. And TODAY they are the party of the minorities. They don’t care about anything except buying more block votes. They even want to allow convicts in prison to vote now – because it is another block vote. As a person in the middle class, I look at what I want the government to do and then vote against the group who isn’t doing it. Neither party wants you to do that. I generally vote GOP simply because they are the lesser of two evils. The ONLY Democrats I vote for are local; never national. The national group are too interested in buying votes to stay in power than they are in leaving me alone. At least the rich don’t care what I do as long as they can continue to get richer – and they are willing to pay me a salary large enough for me to do that.

          Keep in mind that the DEMOCRATS do more to support big business than the GOP does. After all, where do you think they get their donations? Certainly not from some poor person who gives them $5.

          Take a look at the recent fund-raiser Oblama attended. $37,500 a ticket to get in. NO poor or middle class can afford that – unless you are considering middle class to have a much higher paycheck that everyone I know does.

    • JeffH

      DavidL, that is just your opinion and you can fabricate your “facts” as you wish.

      • DavidL

        I use facts! Do your homework and research the facts. My only point is this – vote the self interest of you and your family.

        Please see my post to 45caliber above for more details.

        Thanks.

  • Deborah

    Well, he certainly has a great deal on his plate. Let’s see what his next move will be, they are always so anti American!

  • dahni uru

    Most terrorism today comes from Islam. Here is a pretty interesting document:

    Subject: Islam explained in layman’s terms

    SIMPLE AND REVEALING AND IT IS ALL A PART OF THEIR PLAN TO CONTROL THE WORLD. (AND MOST AMERICAS DON’T BELIEVE IT, BUT IT’S HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA ALREADY)

    Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond. Dr. Hammonds doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977. In addition to his academic work, he is a Missionary. I hope you find this informative.

    Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book:
    Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

    Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

    When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..

    Here’s how it works:

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

    United States — Muslim 0..6%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1.8%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
    This is happening in:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

    ‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.’ — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

    It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

    Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.

    Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

    Obama Appoints two devout Muslims to homeland security posts.

    Obama and Janet Napolitano Appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development

    DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

    NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant…?
    Just wondering.

    Was it not “Devout Muslim men” that flew planes into U.S. buildings 9 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?

    • Robert Smith

      dahni uru asks: >>>Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic<<<

      John F. Kennedy

      George W. Bush was often described as a devout christian.

      And then there is the right wing "Family" on C Street.

      Rob

    • Marten

      And again…what about building7 ??????????

      • http://naver samurai

        Can you ask some other question that may pertain to the subject at hand? Give it a rest! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://gmail i41

    Don’t hear anything from the marxist muslim moron, on the Bibles being burnt in large amounts over in the pedophile muslim country, I think it was in Yemen, it was on the radio this afternoon once. Also we had better give Australian Prime Minister telling immigrants the Aussie speak English and if immigrant either respect their beleifsd or get out, or course Australia has !.6 % and we have.06% and more cominfg every minute. With all the devoted muslims Onumnutts has put in power postitions, as well as whine they feel left out in science and math, according to Ol’ Purple Lips muslim in the WH! Debra that book overeducted moron thought hee had all the answers, like in the books, he took on the job with the perks, and you think he has alot on his plate. If he would get rid of the excessive marxist helpings of crap he put on it, and quit have OJT at America’s expense.

  • hundabuxt

    WHEN YOUR HOUSE IS INFECTED WITH INSECTS WHAT DO YOU DO? THE POLITICAL SOLUTION WILL NOT YIELD SATISFACTORY RESULTS I ASSURE YOU. PASSIVE ACCEPTANCE WILL NOT YIELD FAVORABLE RESULTS. ONLY ERADICATION WILL YIELD RESULTS. ITS A COLD HARD FACT BUT WE’RE FACING A COLD HARD ENEMY. MUSLUMS WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE TO THE POINT WHERE THEY DOMINATE YOU BOTH POLITICALLY AND IN NUMBERS AND THE LATTER WILL BE LARGELY FINANCED BY THE AMERICAN LARGESS, I.E. OUR LIBERAL ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE MINORITIES IN OUR COUNTRY. SO YOU WILL PAY FOR YOUR OWN DESTRUCTION. TAKE A HINT FROM THE DUTCH. PRETTY COOL EH?

  • guyb

    Why don’t we just put the muslims on the left and everyone else on the right and lets have at it.

  • 45caliber

    The story was on a news radio station. I can’t remember the guy’s name – he wasn’t from Texas. They had a statement by the guy.

    • 45caliber

      THis is an answer to Rob’s question above.

  • Robert Smith

    NCLB was originally proposed by the administration of George W. Bush immediately after taking office.[

    If it was soooooooo bad Bush could have vetoed it.

    It was started and it passed on his watch.

    It’s a crummy way to teach to tests and little other learning goes on.

    Rob

  • MRF

    I call Muslims CREEPYCRWALERS. they creep into your country than they crawl to your neighborhoods. Infest everything, want you to get used to their way of living.Once again a liberal screwed up!!! JIMMY CARTER. During his “watch” he let the K0MEYNi go back to PERSIA (today IRAN) and depose the SHA. If he has placed a sanction against the BASTARD there would not be a ISLAMIC REVOLUTION TODAY. The funny thing about all this is that we still allow the ENEMIES OF OUR COUNTRY to enter it and impose their way of life on us. I bet that someone is going to say: OH!! THEY ARE NOT ALL BAD… You are wrong!! Never ever trust a Muslim. he will cut your throat on the first opportunity he finds. There is not such thing as a good or friendly MUSLIM. They even turn against their own. Kill them , bomb them, nuke them…JUST GET RID OF THEM!!! I have Muslims living right across the street from me, and to make them mad I walk around in shorts, scratch my balls in front of their women. My next step is to install a flag pole in my yard. raise the American flag and have the flag of Israel underneath. YES, I HAVE A GUN, IT IS LOADED AND READY TO ROCK N’ ROLL.
    I AM READY FOR THE TEA PARTY!!!! WE NEED TO TAKE AMERICA BACK!!! STOP BUYING CHINESE JUNK. BUY AMERICAN!!!

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