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Michigan Budget Fight Brings To Light Negative Role Of Unions

August 30, 2011 by  

The report was released in the wake of several key strikes that have been organized by unions within the State, most recently Central Michigan University's faculty strike.A group of local leaders in Michigan have begun to question whether union workers are actually doing more financial harm than good in their stance on several key fiscal issues, The Associated Press reported.

Proposed pay and benefit cuts for Wayne County’s unionized employees have caused significant debate within the State. Several key officials, including Detroit Mayor Dave Bing, have noted that unless these workers pick up more of their healthcare and pension costs, Michigan will be in real financial trouble, according to the news outlet.

A University of Michigan study that surveyed key leaders of local communities in the State showed that more than 56 percent of these individuals felt that the unionized workers have had a negative effect on the fiscal health of their towns and cities, reported the AP.

The report was released in the wake of several key strikes that have been organized by unions within the State, most recently, Central Michigan University’s faculty strike. Teachers were ordered to return to their classes following a ruling by a judge who felt that these individuals had little bargaining power when it came to salaries in the current economy, according to the Detroit Free Press.

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  • s c

    I don’t know how accurate the Detroit Free Press quote is, but if it is accurate, then that judge should have phrased it better when he said that ‘. . . these individuals (teachers) had little bargaining power when it came to salaries in the current econmomy . . . ‘
    Hint: students DON’T teach themselves. If teachers leave the classroom to pad their pockets, they’re not teachers, and their arses are fair game for whatever happens. What a bunch of whiz ants!

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      As a retiered teacher let me say that it is about dam time people realizxe that our must precious asset is our youngh people and the bettert the teacher the better they learn and the better off we are!!!! If you do not like or believe that get your ass out of this country and go mwhere noone is allowed to learn unless the gvmt. says so. LONG LIVE THE USA< AND THE TEACHERS IN IT!

      • Keith

        Janice, I hope you did not teach English or spelling. If you did, that would explain why the country is as it is and how we got here.

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          Yes Kieth I did but I did not teach typing and it is true when my blood boils because of people like you my fingers do not always find the right keys. I still say, if you are so unhappy here you should go where you have No rights, and not the rights you easily access here!

          • Bob Johnson

            Two things wrong with your argument, unions do nothing but protect the lazy sloppy worker, and punish the producer, always have, and always will. If you are typing, they do have spell check, but being a union worker, I suspect you are of the let George do it group.

          • Papa

            Or, he could simply move to TEXAS where Teachers are also tested, and they have the right to QUIT TEACHING if they don’t like the pay-scale!

            Funny, we seem to have no real shortage of good Teachers here…

          • Connie

            How did you grade your students when they turned in a paper with the errors you made in your responses?

            My daughter is a teacher and one of her “things” is not only spelling (inherited from her accountant Mom) but the sentence structure. BTW, she hates the teachers unions. Per her, and her fellow teachers in this district, the unions do NOT represent what they want for their students. Instead the union represents itself and what these union officers decide is best for themselves. They issue instructions on who/what they expect each to vote for – always a Dim (sic) in this largely Republican district of the State of CA, spending millions without the input of those whose money they are using. It’s well beyond the time where unions are useful to the worker. They are nothing more than money grubbing, political whores. To save America we need to dump the unions everywhere.

            Spell check utilized; one error. Try it sometime!

          • jibbs

            jovianus

          • Connie

            Jibbs: Gaseous?

          • FlaJim

            Connie, if your daughter is teaching in a forced union state, federal law allows her to redirect her dues to the charity of her choice. Otherwise, she could opt out.

            (No spel chk needid heer. Eye was a englsh majer.)

          • http://naver samurai

            I teach history to students and I teach them our true history and not the one made up be revisionists. It also seems that I teach better than you do Janice. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서!

          • Don

            Janice with your thinking and the rest of the teachers teaching’s ,, we won’t have any rights anyway, so what’s your point, and learn to spell before you call yourself a teacher !!

        • wandamurline

          To Connie: If you want to vote Republican, the unions do not know how you vote….they can tell you who to vote for, but in the end, they are not in the ballot box with you and this is (so far) still a free country….so tell them to “go to hell” as Maxine Waters keeps telling us tea partiers, and vote out the Dems. Vote in 2012 like you very life depends on it, because it does.

          • Connie

            Precisely! The teachers with the ability to actually think for themselves vote as they please. The sad part is where those who think they must follow the union dictate.

          • MJG2112

            I agree.

            Hopefully no one will take offense at the following thought conveyed to me in an email; I believe that there is a tremendous amount of truth in it for some people:

            “If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you were not a racist, that is okay. Now, however, make certain that you vote for someone else in 2012 to prove that you are not an idiot.”

        • skippy

          LOVE THAT ZING KEITH!!! I was thinking the same thing!!!

      • JD

        I think Janice is the perfect example of how education in the US has dropped to next to nothing. Unions and their bought and paid for democrats have dumb-ed down education in this country with their crazy ideas like not teaching as much so no child is left behind. Every child is left behind especially with so many ill-qualified union teachers that can not be gotten rid of. I come from a family of teachers, my mother, and her parents were teachers. I myself have worked as a teacher and I know firsthand what a joke education has become in the US because of teacher unions and the democrats. Unions are nothing but a front for organized crime and the sooner the US gets rid of unions, the BETTER!

        • Connie

          JD, I should have read your comment before responding to Janice. You have covered it all quite nicely. The NCLB is a total disaster for the education of the kids. If anything, it leaves even more kids behind when the teacher has to “teach to the test”, as my daughter puts it. We can thank GWB for this little piece of pure stupidity. But, as we all are well aware, he’s another of the Bilderberg group who are all for dumbing down America and turning us into another third world country for the New World Order facist organization.

          Dump all the Dims (sic) in the next election and deport George Soros. We need to insist on term limits if we want to take our country back. Also need to insist our representatives on the federal, state, county and city levels follow the demands of the citizens rather than their own agenda. Our elected goverment are on the level of the unions – all for themselves.

          • wandamurline

            We need to get constitutional conservatives in majority in congress and dismantle and put to rest the Department of Education. The states can educate their kids without “no child left behind” BS. I am 63 years old and can tell you that there will always be “chids left behind” because there are some that don’t care, and they have parents that don’t care. . . so there is no place for them except for the rest to move on and leave them behind. My daughter teaches and the school spends 6 months a year teaching the kids how to take the damn government test….we had tests….they were called finals and the score you obtained decided if you went to the next grade or repeated the last one again. We need to go back to the basics, Reading Writing and Arithmetic….building a solid foundation that the kids can build on like a house. I went back to college at the age of 42 and had to take the first TASP test…had been out of school for 25 years….I passed all three aspects of it on the first testing period. I got a better education that the kids get today…we were taught that there are more ways to figure out a math problem that just the book version, we were motivated to find another way…we were taught to THINK and use our brains….my daughter took the test about 10 times before she passed it and she was fresh out of high school. Our kids are being dumbed down by the government so they can be the future slaves to them….take education out of their hands and put it back in the hands of the states.

          • Connie

            Wanda, you are 7 years my junior, but like you I went back to college in my late 40′s when my daughter also began her college days. In many of the classes I found to be an automatic A, she struggled. Yet she was an honor student in HS and college. To this day I’m still correcting her “me and him” bit which wasn’t covered when she was in public education. Many of the basics we were taught are no longer considered relevant, sad to say.

        • Don

          AMEN JD !!

      • jibbs

        No wonder the kids can’t spell. I said it before and I’ll say it again, this is not the blog for you. Maybe it’s you that needs to leave.
        I’ve not seen a teacher worth two bits in over 30 tears, but they sure fight for their pays raises and bennies.

        • Connie

          Jibbs, there are many quite relevant teachers out there…but they are fighting the NCLB and the near to retirement group who don’t much give a damn. The worst part is when there is a rif it’s always the newest who go, not the older don’t give a hoot.

          • jibbs

            No offence, my comment was aimed at Janice. And I agree 100% with 45′s comment below.

      • gypsy

        Quit telling people that pay the taxes that now pay your retirement and the teachers working and also the unions that are helping you guys suck the life out of the tax payers. As much money we put in to the schools and teachers pay we all should have scholars but we all know when you have a third party helping what happens tax payers get short change. I say do away with unions. I wish you guys could get paid by results then maybe we could have children that could read and write. And also why so much home work everyday for our children. I should be asking for part of the teachers pay since we have to do there jobs at home.

      • Stan Smith

        Janice funniest brain dead posts! {As a retiered teacher let me say that it is about dam time people realizxe that our must precious asset is our youngh people and the bettert the teacher the better they learn and the better off we are!!!!} HA! HA! HA! You a teacher?? Hey Libtard! You got your diploma by mail and the Dean signed it with a crayon! Janice you are a drunken Libtard who got everything backwards, Telling us regular Americans go Live in a Commie countries, You need to live in a commie country, You hate America so much so America is not for you! Stupid Cerdo (Pig) as a Mexican decent I can’t figure out Libtardos from the likes of Janice! Better seek help! all the drinking is causing you to have alcohol poisoning and you liver is about to explode! another reason why you are a angry Libtardo Troll, you being a welfare queen I guess you chow down too much Govt Cheese! Ewwwwww! no wonder why you been posting troll dribble, you are constipated Too much govt cheese! you better take extra strength laxatives! So Janice better watch sesame street and learn how to spell and ask Big Bird for group hug!

      • Mac

        Janice, whether or not you use a spell-checker, at the very least you should review what you have written in the heat of anger (or whatever) before sending the message; besides possibly being unintelligible, the message may not say what you meant. Once published on the internet your words are there forever.

      • iam

        Janice, help me out here. Are you implying that it is the UNIONS that are teaching the students? I always thought that it was a teacher in the classroom, not a union. Also, I thought the teachers’ job was to teach, not to continually demand more money and more benefits, treating the students as though they were merely a nuisance.

    • 45caliber

      When I get a new job I am offered a payment to do the best work I can for my employer.

      If a teacher (or anyone else) accepts that pay and then refuses to do their best, they do not deserve the job since they are refusing to meet their share of the contract.

      When a teacher insists that if they are paid more they will do a better job of teaching, it means to me that they are refusing to do their best at the job they agreed to accept for the payment they agreed to work for. Such people need to be fired for failure to do their job.

      As costs go up I am willing to give more money to employees for doing their jobs. But if they refuse to do their jobs then I need to find other employees.

  • DaveH

    Only 56 percent? I guess that shouldn’t be so surprising to me since they were noted to be the Leaders. And that folks is why Unions were outlawed from public service for so long in our history. Even FDR knew it would be trouble for Unions to be allowed into the public service sector, since the Leaders aren’t bargaining with their own money.
    http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2010/oct/17/ha-fdrs-warning-public-employee-unions-a-no-no/#

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      You need to live someplace where the government tells you what to think, say and do! Maybe then you would realize how lucky we are. But wait, are you old enough to get it. I would guess your are about 12

      • mickey

        Sorry, Janice, it was when the FED got involved with education we began to have problems. We didn’t have a teacher’s union when I was young. As students, we were expected to learn and the teacher was God. Both parents and teachers said the same thing. Then it became, “poor little student” must be given the opportunity to learn, and that was many times with drugs, psychological counseling, free breakfast, free lunch, and on and on.

        We had a bell curve and not everyone passed.

        As for the really good teachers, they moved to private schools where the parents PAID for education and discipline was no longer a problem.

        I don’t think WI had the private tutors demonstrating in the streets. Parents pay twice, once in taxes and again for private education.

        And I will agree the educated minority control the uneducated. So what is getting in the way of the “uneducated” from learning?

      • Connie

        Janice, We already do if you really think about it.

      • http://naver samurai

        Actually Dave H. is a patriot and I would stand beside him and what he says before I’d stand with you. He’s earned my respect, how about you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

    • s c

      DaveH, thanks for the reminder that even Stalinist suck-ups like FDR knew that unions in bed with the government is far worse than stupid.
      Do you suppose that even 5% of America’s current union members know that historical FACT?
      The progressive mindset has a defect that is so off-the-chart that it’s both amusing and sickening. Progressives insist that everything be tried at least once. When something fails, it needs to be seen as something that needs to be modified and tried again.
      When it fails again, then progressive ‘leaders’ expect their braindead followers to worship that which has failed repeatedly. Albert Einstein is famous for a saying that perfectly describes this retarded and brain-rotting mental defect. Einstein was RIGHT. Progressives are rarely right, and one of these days America will understand that progressives are sorely in need of mental competence exams and long-term mental therapy. Our economic and political woes since FDR’s time until now prove that.

      • eddie47d

        Your cocky ignorance overwhelms you SC as per usual. So the progressives believe if something doesn’t work then a person should jump in with both feet and try again. Now NASA is somewhat conservative so when the space shuttle exploded they should have shut the program down and gave up,right?Is your analogy only good for progressives?

  • WillS

    If you’re not from Michigan you need to understand that the 3 largest county’s (Wayne, Oakland, Macomb)largest employers are Fed, State, local government and then add a layer of automotive assembly plants and suppliers. I am surprised that it is as high as 56%, that gives me some hope that we’re finally waking up in this fair state!

    • MJG2112

      I am from the large metropolis of Quincy MI where I believe cows outnumber people and there is only one traffic light.

      The majority of industry around the Quincy area is auto-related and thus has been hit especially hard with continuous local unemployment at 25+%.

      I agree that public employment is a large portion of the remaining job market in MI and that eventually reality will have to come into play as the tax base needed to sustain these public jobs is quickly eroding away. Since MI is not permitted print money (excuse me, initiate a quanitative easing session) many in public sector may soon find themselves in the same unemployment line as their private sector counterparts.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        MJG2112,
        I’m originally from Tecumseh and you have, indeed described Quincy!! My mother went to school in that area as a girl!! Figure, she was born in 1912!!

  • TheRealBob

    Anyone who has ever worked with union members is aware that unions are not only detrimental to the economy, they are detrimental to society as a whole. Unions promote sloth, violence, theft, and, because they slavishly support the democrats, they support the lieberal agenda with its goal of destroying everything that is good and decent. Union teachers have destroyed our public education system by turning into a center for indoctrination rather than education; union workers have destroyed our industrial base by demanding executive wages for minimum wage work; union employees in government have inflated government wages to the point where government is going broke. It is time to outlaw unions and end their role in the destruction of America.

    • Keith

      Well said, RealBob. Certainly there was a time when unions were needed. However all of the important issues like worker safety, child labor and unfair dismissals, all have federal agencies or laws that do what the unions were originally standing up for. Thankfully, many people, including union members themselves, are starting to realize that unions are all about collecting power, wealth and control for a select few rather than looking out for what is best for all of us.

      • Eb

        So, if unions are finally banished as some of you fools wish, do you really think all the protections and decent wages are going to continue? All the things you berate (decent wages, subsidized healthcare, protection against unreasonable discharge, discrimination for various reasons, job safety, reasonable working hours, etc., etc.) would be on the chopping block because they all cost the EMPLOYER, public AND private money they would much rather give to their stockholders, management team, expansion, expediency, etc. and they would have the clout to undo all the things unions have fought for. I agree that some unions locals have put undue barriers against management to reward good workers and punish the lousy ones. Believe me, it bothers me too and I am a union member.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

          unions and their greed have caused the backlash themselves.

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      And you live where Bob,,, Russia, China, Korea, Iran??? Must be 1 of those places as they have no clue about any of these freedoms you wish to throw away. Could you be a terrorist???? Hoping our internal strife tears us down????

      • http://naver samurai

        Troll alert! Troll alert! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James

    Allowing government employees to unionize is insane. They just take over the government like all communists do.

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      You do not have that choice if you live in a communist country. You need a teacher so you can learn how it works!!!

      • Pete0097

        You do realize that the government contract negioators are spending someone elses money when they negioate with the teachers union don’t you? Most of these people don’t think of the long term effects of what they do to the taxpayers, unlike in the private world. In the private world, the negioator with the union is spending HIS or HER money to keep their people working because if they don’t work, HE or SHE has no product to sell to make money and the stikers don’t get paid either. Both have a stake in a speedy outcome. In public world, if the teachers go on strike, who cares, the school year will just get adjusted, everything else just keeps going, there is no loss.

        • mickey

          Pete, you have a point there. The school year just gets adjusted. However, the parents keep on absorbing the expenses. Babysitters’ expense, lost time from work expense, more gas money expense. It costs the parents more to send their kids to public schools than to private.

          Our state recognizes this and is beginning to give vouchers for the private schools so parents only have to pay once. The money the state collects for public school is used where if the kids don’t show up (go to private school)?

        • Eb

          Union members are taxpayers too! Maybe money would be better spent not cow-towing to the wealthy!

      • Papa

        No Dear, many of us don’t need a “Teacher” to inform us because we saw UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL how “collectivism” works, or actually, FAILS to work!

        If your concept actually WORKED the Soviet Union would have won the cold war and America would now be nothing but a faded memory of the trash heap of history.

        Now “Teacher Dear,” explain to all of us why things didn’t quite work out that way in your great “COLLECTIVIST” dream world???

      • Connie

        Nor did you have a choice when you were teaching.

      • Don

        Lady janice, and i’ll say that lady part lightly, YOU ARE NO TEACHER, your more of what i might call an idiot.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      James,
      You are very right! Look at the police, they go on strike, the elderly and the disabled get preyed on! Nurses go on strike and patients can lose their lives. Air traffic controllers go on strike, and the fact that they have inexperienced workers on the screens could get 2 to 300 people killed in a flash! Now, do you think these union heads care about that?? Just collateral damage!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Unions only care about one thing and that is the money they get from dues. They can care less about anything else. Good to see you again , fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서!

  • Herbert

    I’m saying it agan All stats sude have right to work law’s .
    then the Union’s wood be kepet under controw by the workers.
    wen the workers see somthing that thay don’t like thay withhold the duse untel the union dus whot the workers wont.
    PS the union’s ned to be desbaned thay got to much power over the worker.

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      Bone up on your typing skills Herb or you will be accused of being ignorrent, I can assure you , by those who really are!

      • 45caliber

        Janice:

        If you were an English teacher, I’m Superman. You can claim to be whatever you wish but your words don’t show it. Sorry. You’d be better off to claim to be someone else.

      • Connie

        Janice, who are you to tell anyone to bone up on their typing skills? Your earlier posts were filled with them and your excuse was you hadn’t taught typing.

        • eddie47d

          Connie; She knew that and was wondering why you didn’t take on Herb who’s spelling was truly appalling or do you overlook that when someone supports your opinion.

    • http://naver samurai

      I can care less about typing skills, it’s the point someone is making that is important. Good job, Herbert. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Don

      Herbert, you must have been janice’s class

  • Herbert

    ho I’m a Michagander LOL.

    • TheRealBob

      Herbert: You must have learned how to spell from a union teacher!

      • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

        See Herb!!!!

  • mickey

    There was and there still is a reasonable place for unions. However, in the public sector, no union should be allowed to disrupt the government’s function. If it is allowed, then that section of government is no longer needed.

    People take jobs already knowing the salary. In the case of teachers, they all went to college and know how to research the available jobs, what the pay expectations are, etc. Anyone that thinks it is their position (WI) to destroy government property, demonstrate in the street while getting “sick day” passes is not what I call a teacher I want in the classroom. That action in WI just gave students the “pass” to tear up classrooms, beat teachers, steal wages, cheat on tests, and to disrupt anything students didn’t like that day.

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      Nice to hear from one who actually thinks!!

      • Jeep

        Note to Janice: brush up on your critical thinking skills (that’s liberal teacher speak for common sense.) Mickey wasn’t exactly supporting your earlier posts…

        • Eb

          The poor decisions of business managers are what have run the city into the ground. If GM, for example, had built cars that people actually wanted, they could have competed against the German brands that cost more (higher wages there, plus shipping) but they were too busy trying to figure out how to take the money away from the workers that built the cars they were told too. So much right wing propaganda, and the unkowing just eat it up!

      • jibbs

        Janice M Cullen RE Broker says:
        August 30, 2011 at 8:18 am
        Nice to hear from one who actually thinks!!

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        Here’s something to think about Janice, BTW, thanks for showing up today.

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    • Bob Johnson

      That is something for which I do not blame the teachers, behavior is the responsibility of the parents, and for at least two generations, the parents have abdicated their responsibility. Courtesy, manners and right and wrong are taught at home, not in the classroom. Yet parents steadfastly refuse to discipline their children, and it will not get any better until this country undergoes a MORAL reawakening, and that may not happen until after the coming revolution. It may well start on the 17th of September, the unions day of rage, nation wide. They say it will be peaceful, however I submit that nothing with “rage” in the title is destined to be peaceful, go well armed that day, or stay off of the streets.

      • mickey

        Hah, you think parents actually have authority to discipline their child? Guess again. Welfare is darkening the door threatening to take the kid away. There are two sets of rules, one in the home and the other at school. If the school thinks the home discipline is wrong, the school reports it (by law)and the kid gets taken away.

        Discipline in the home and school used to be the same. In fact, if the kid was disciplined (given a whack on the behind) at school, the kid could expect a second one at home. Now neither can discipline a child in early years, parents have to wait until the kid is 18 and the cops take them away.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. And it is the parents’ fault if the child gets into trouble before eighteen, even if the parents aren’t allowed to punish the child for doing wrong.

        • Connie

          Mickey, If the teacher disciplines the student he/she will be fired. They legally cannot touch a child – not so much as a hug. If a child is “acting out” the only option a teacher has is to take away playground privileges for the day. If this behavior continues the next step is to take them to the principal, with the possible outcome of a day, two or three of suspension. The horror stories coming out of the schools, from Elementary onward, is unbelievable.

          • s c

            Connie, public non-education IS a horror story. Any system that systematically produces dumbed-down generations of students, makes a mockery of the teaching profession, controls schools from Washington, wastes time and money and resources in the name of parents and doesn’t (somehow) produce herds of Albert Einsteins is predictable.
            They got what they wanted, Connie, and WE paid for the damned thing. Get kids OUT of public schools while you can, people. If you don’t, expect more and more ‘people’ like Obummer and his warped scuzzies and unending schemes for more ‘change,’ ‘transformation’ bankruptcy, and an enslaved America.

        • PMS

          You just nailed it Mickey. The government thinks that is their job now.

  • Doc Sarvis

    56% of “leaders” is the telling stat here. If they had asked the regular working folk that low percentage would be MUCH lower. When you ask those with the money and power if those without should have more they usually say no.

    • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

      You are of course referring to tea party and other republicans when you say that. Had you had a good teacher you would have learned that the educated minority controls the uneducated majority. Or is that way too much for you to comprahend!

      • Doc Sarvis

        I was referring to the “leaders” as was mentioned in the article. Define that as you will.

        Before denigrate my teachers, whom you know nothing about, you may want to learn to spell the word comprehend. I know I make spelling errors myself but not while I am talking smack about someone elses education.

        • Papa

          LOL! Well said Doc!!!

        • 45caliber

          That’s why I say above that Janice was NOT an English teacher! All the English teachers I ever knew were very particular about spelling and punctuation.

        • Connie

          Doc, She will admonish others to learn how to type (spell) while she’s the worst offender on this blog. 45Caliber has called it right, she’s no English teacher. Just another money grubbing real estate agent.

        • jibbs

          LOL, WOO HOO, well said Doc, I like it!
          What did they on Rowen & Martins & Laugh-In…sock it to me!

      • Jeep

        So, Janice, what you are saying is that there is a hidden agenda by the “educated minority” elite? Well, gosh, as one of the unwashed and “uneducated minority” this comes as quite a revealing insight. I assume, of course, that you consider yourself one of the “controllers”, being as you are one of the “educated minority”. Well, it is good to know who is actually in charge…apparently it is Janice.

        • Connie

          Great comment!

          • Jeep

            Thanks Connie, but I think Janice has moved on. I guess that with “higher education” comes a shorter attention span.

      • MJG2112

        Janice:

        Do me the favor of explaining why you and others of similar thought have issue with the Tea Party. From my perspective, the basic concept of the Tea Party where government size is controlled and taxation is only assessed with proper representation (and assessed at reasonable levels) is both desirable and is directly related to the founding principles of this country.

        I am not trying to be funny or crass here, but is there something either amiss in my perception of the Tea Party or the ideology that its members possess?

  • Stephan F.

    OK — lets try to simplify things a bit & jump right to the “heart of the matter”.

    It doesn’t matter whether you think unions are good or bad,
    it doesn’t matter whether you think unions are necessary or not,
    it doesn’t matter whether you think unions “help” workers or not, and,
    it doesn’t matter whether you think unions causes higher prices or not.

    What does matter is that Unions — as they stand today — are unconstitutional, illegal, and immoral — period.

    People, it’s time to quit paying attention to the irrelevant & stop gawking at things like “cause & effect” — these are mere distractions that prevent the possibility of real solutions to real problems. Stop promoting false band-aid like solutions like “Right to Work” laws, as these DO NOT address the real problems. The crux of the matter is this: unions derive their power through government of course, and to dis-empower them you must overturn the law that gives them that power. And the law that did that was the “National Labor Relations Act of 1935″, aka the Wagner Act. The repeal of this disastrous law is, in fact, essential, and is the only “real” solution to a real man-made problem.

    For those still interested, I suggest you follow this link:

    http://www.cato.org/weekly/index.php?vid_id=158

    “Unfortunately, once you have successfully brainwashed numerous generations, as the public schools and universities have done, and done well, disabusing the masses of deep-rooted notions – no matter how obviously
    flawed – becomes extremely difficult.” — David Galland 8-13-11

    • Jeep

      Well put Stephan. But, I have a simple solution, give the teachers what they want. Give them more money, better benefits, more vacation, whatever. Just take the money from the welfare fund to pay for it. No more food stamps or welfare checks…but, at least we will have highly paid teachers.

  • MJG2112

    From a state / municipal budgeting perspective, the problem with public unions is that only “x” amount of financial resources are allocated to the various service segments within the governmental organzation. If the cost of the service increases, it is the service administrator’s responsibility to either cut the scope of the service or to secure less costly alternate providers of that service.

    However, in the case of unionized employees there is little or no headroom to cut services and / or seek alternate providers and thus the service administrator is faced with the extremely difficult decision of either a) Cutting other public services, b) Increasing debt holdings, and / or c) Raising taxes. No matter what option or combination of options are selected, it is the majority of the taxpayers within the governmental area that suffer as a result of the greed imposed by the minority within the public unions.

    Hmmm teacher, the minority within government controlling the majority of the government’s citizenry. Does this sound like the underlying principles by which this country was founded upon?

  • MJG2112

    The concept of a free market, the economic foundation of the USA, is that supply and demand establish the price of a particular good or service. Monopolies that seek to manipulate prices through either controlling the supply or fixing the price of a good or service are rightfully deemed inappropriate and the 1890 Sherman Act made such activity officially illegal.

    How is then that the public teachers unions can control the supply of teachers and the price of their services without anyone questioning the legality of these actions as again defined by the time-tested Sherman Act?

  • Proud to be a Christian

    The only unions that do anything for their clients are the Trade Unions. Those were the only Unions that I was familiar with their inner workings as I was a Vice President of a Construction company in Ohio. On different projects in different locations we hired crafts from the various Union halls. Part of their wage usually $1.00 to $1.25 an hour was paid directly to their Union. Their Union took care of Health and Welfare, vacation time, and retirement benefits out of this hourly charge. To my complete shock, you can imagine, one evening here recently we were visiting a home where there were two retired UAW workers and we got on the subject of the Unions. I couldn’t believe what I heard that those Unions paid nothing, nothing I tell you. So I said what good did it do you to give the Unions part of your pay, the answer I got was I would pay anything for seniority (meaning I couldn’t get fired!) When I worked for the Panama Canal Company, I was approached by the Union to join. My comment to them was, why in the world would I want to give up some of my hard earning to give to someone who could do nothing for me or any return. To me that was pure stupidity, which I still say. Remember Regan with the air traffic controller when they went on strike. Absolutely ridiculous. In my working career, I never had to worry about finding a good job or being fired or being layed off as I always gave 110% to my employer and they knew it!!! but I guess if you are mediocre you have to worry.

    • jibbs

      Trade unions do not pay or have vacations for their members, unless it is funded by the worker. Trade unions will tell you who to vote for(dems) trade unions take in a lot of money and donate it to the (dems)

      If an employer screws the worker and reports it to the union, IF they help the worker to resolve it, 95% of the time, the company will find a way to terminate them. They also create problems for companys that are not in the union.

      I don’t know who fed you that line of sh-t, but it looks like you took the bait. I was in the trades(carpenters union) for over 25 years and have friends in all the trades. Open your eye’s!

      • Proud to be a Christian

        Jibbs, back in the 70′s I had a Union General Contractor Company and a Non Union Company. I do know what I am talking about as we hired Carpenter(s) in the area we were building from the Union Hall and had to pay the union dues which were part of the workers hourly wage. Our formen and managers were from the same hall. Back then we only paid the laborers and carpenter’s when they worked period. No hospitalization that was from the Unions and when they retired along with social security they had a pension from the Union. Or this is the way the Unions worked in Ohio. Also this is the way the Iron Workers Union works in Florida. Plus you got trained workers, and that is what you paid for.

  • skippy

    It just seems to me that unions feel they are ‘entitled’ and so elite that they can do whatever they want. Much the same way that ‘professional politicans’ feel. Only trouble is, politicians actually DO give themselves raises, and vote on THEIR benefit packages with NO input from the people they serve. Hmmmm…not a good picture at all.

  • The Wolf

    There should be no unions in public service.this goes against the grain.we are the company.when they go on strike they are striking against all of us.we are the ones that pay.it is easy to see why this does not work in public service. yet it was allowed to happen. now people are seeing what was warned about years ago.

  • Bobohead

    Nonetheless, this report is exactly what those with fically responsible minds have known for decades, unions are out for themselves.
    I live in the union town of Dayton. Or should I have said USED to be a union town. The UAW broke the backs of GM and Chrysler. They would ask for more just to get more. My neighbor made well over $100k working in a tool cage! Another older “worker” would take off on Wednesday’s just to come in on Sundays for double time.

    As someone else wrote on this blog, “The day of the union is gone”.
    AND as our fine President said “It is time that we all chip in”.

  • Stickwoman Red

    I work in the “fair” City of Detroit and for the last 50 years, this city has been run by Democrats and the Unions and they have run it right into the ground. In the early 1920′s Detroit was actually considered the “Paris of the Midwest” as there was culture, beautiful theaters, museums, restaurants, wonderful architecture, wonderous skyscrapers, factories and manufacturing plants, shopping and the like. People from across the globe came to Michigan and Detroit in general to begin a new life. It was one of the most desired places to live. Then the unions came in and the Democrats and entirely changed this once robust and thriving city into a skeleton of its former glory. The Big “D”, now stands for Democratic depression, desolation, devastation, depravity, dangerous, dirty, deserted, and deprived! Every mayor from 1961 to the present has been a Democrat and look how wonderful their policies are working! Over 15% black unemployment in the City! Can you imagine how the NAACP and other black groups would be screaming if it was Bush in office instead of Obama? But they are silent and will still vote for him come 2012 simply because of the skin color and not what he’s done for his own race! We’ve had black mayors since Coleman A. Young, who was the biggest thief this City put in office, but was at least more discreet when robbing the citizens than Kwame Kilpatrick was and they’d still elect him if and when he comes back to Detroit! The last census puts Detroit at just under 900,000 and those numbers are probably fudged just so that Detroit could keep federal funds! If anyone wants to blame the downslide of what was once a great city, one only have to look to the Democrats and the Unions to see why Detroit has failed!!!

    • Eb

      somehow my post went to an earlier entry–meant to be reply for Stickwoman

      • Stickwoman Red

        Are you kidding me? You’re blaming GM on the demise of Detroit? How much Kool-Aid have you drank? As for any auto company making cars that people WANT, they do and surprise, surprise they are not the “tuna-cans” that the Obama Administration wants to impose on Americans, but SUV’s and pick-up trucks! You only have to read a car magazine to see that statistically, pick-ups are the most desired vehicle in America! If you have ever been to Europe, which I doubt as your rhetoric tells me otherwise, you’d see that the only pick-up trucks there are American made!!! You really need to quit drinking the Kool-Aid and get your head too, out of your backside to see that it’s the Democrats and their Union thugs that are ruining and bankrupting this nation. I work for a company for the last 35 years and guess what . . . no union! Hard work is what’s kept me employed this long . . . period! We have no union here and we are treated fairly and honestly. The only ones who lose their jobs are those who don’t pull their weight!

  • BillF

    Unions are all corrupt and outdated. They pad the pockets of a few and are Marxist
    and “Friends of Obama”!

  • Airangel

    Word of the Day: Dhimmitude Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

    ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured.

    Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking”, and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So whether Christian or Atheist, you will have crippling IRS liens placed against your assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time if you refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax.

    Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan, CAIR representatives, Imams, etc. will have no such penalty and will have 100% of their health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance.

    Non-Muslims (you and me) will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. This is Dhimmitude. So 50% still able to work pay for Illegal invasion, Muslim invasion, Russian Invasion, all the food stamps, Section 8 housing, Immigrant subsidies, Title 1 schools, etc…we pay for the other half of the population while they contribute nothing, not even via volunteer work to “Pay it forward”…they just take, take, take and we let them because no one is willing to give tough love and encourage integrity, honesty and empowerment to earn your own keep…we are raising a society of moochers, liars, cheats and poverty, ignorant human beings who learn no other way…We are enablers!

    • Airangel

      oops! I just realized I posted this accidentally for another post about Judge Clarence Thomas possibly settling Illegal Obamacare…my apologies..this isn’t related to this topic – Sheesh – my bad!

    • MJG2112

      Excellant post Airangel nonetheless. I suppose it is due time for the remainder of us to finally read the 2,500+ pages of the Obamacare legislation and find out what is truly in it.

  • Sabulaman

    We were all warned about the dumbing down of America back in the 80′s. Could it be their predictions were correct?

  • Don

    Sabulaman,, YES !!

  • Polski

    I really wish all of you anti-union folks would be transported by a magic time machine to a period before unions, where the corporate owners and executives really cheated and harmed the employees. This is why unions were formed in the first place. Why should non-union employees get the benefits that union members died for, and were beat up for, without paying the same amount that the union members have to pay. THEY SHOULDN’T!!! The anti-union folks obviously are jealous of the union members because the anti-union folks screwed around in school and never learned what they should have and the union shops wouldn’t hire them because they couldn’t do the job. So the corporate CEO gets $19 million per year. The union bosses don’t even come close to that salary. The CEO screws up royally, so as punishment he gets a salary raise and a bonus. The corporate executives make the decisions, not the unions. And you don’t get that. And that’s why you’re having financial problems.

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