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Media Coverage Of Wisconsin Protests Reveals Double Standard

March 8, 2011 by  

Media coverage of Wisconsin protests reveals double standardThousands of Americans have adamantly protested the budget reform proposal of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, a conflict that has drawn plenty of national attention. Some critics have argued that a lot of the media coverage is steeped in liberal bias.

According to The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), a story-by-story analysis by the Media Research Center (MRC) reveals a double standard in how major television networks have covered liberal and conservative protests. For example, ABC and CBS broadcasts used words like "slurs," "epithets" and "incivility" to describe last year's Tea Party protests of President Barack Obama's healthcare reform.

In August 2009, ABC anchor Charles Gibson condemned protesters who brought pictures of Obama with an Adolf Hitler-style mustache. However, Gibson failed to mention that the signs were crafted by a fringe group and not Tea Party or conservative supporters. Furthermore, following the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz., many national news broadcasts incited controversy about symbols that resembled crosshairs on Sarah Palin's website.

During the recent protests in Wisconsin, several liberal protesters have carried inflammatory signs that compared Walker to Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Hosni Mubarak. In addition, one protester drew a crosshair symbol over a picture of Walker accompanied by the caption "Don't Retreat, Reload; Repeal Walker," the WSJ reported.

These extremist actions have not been covered by most media outlets, many of which have provided positive press for the anti-Walker movement.

"Liberals no doubt consider the Wisconsin protesters righteous. But if those protesters were Tea Partiers, the same Left would’ve been calling them racist from the get-go," wrote Jack Hunter of The American Conservative

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  • Stan Smith

    Left wing No news media, All scripted Hollywood style! all drama queens! FOX news not that much better! I’ll stick to independent online news & independent talk radio to get real news!

    • Jovianus

      Let’s make certain we have the facts …

      “”slurs,” “epithets” and “incivility” ” not shown in MSM reports. Not exactly true. It’s been covered extensively. What’s also been covered are the number of people confronting those packing offensive signs and those yelling out slurs etc. Maybe the difference that any TPer or right wing media would want to know about are those supposed “protestors’ in Wisconsin who are unruly, uncivil etc..you know, O’Reilly and Beck covered that extensively showing time and again those protestors “in Wisconsin”..in shirtsleeves surrounded by palm trees. In February.

      Or how about the counter protestors bussed in and on a 10 city tour…courtesy of the Koch funded Americans for Prosperity? . Ended the rally in Madison with the largest turnout of the tour….at 600. Over half out of state.

      Or how about the claimed “$7.5 mil in damage” done to the capital rotunda by those “unruly” protestors. Hmmm…after the cleaning ordered by the court to ascertain the extent of the damage….turns out that the highest estimate for cost “may exceed $350,000″. Huh? From 7.5 mil to now a “maybe’ $350,000? Which…tadaaaa…is the monthly cost of upkeep to the Rotunda building. In other words…NO DAMAGE !

      Or how about the claims by the good governor that the “People are behind him” ! Which may be a true statement if one considers those getting behind him are to push him out to door…67% oppose the good governor and there’s a recall petition circulating with half the required signatures gathered in less than a week…and recall efforts of the GOP Senators are also showing liklihood of being placed on the ballot. Manwhile..recall efforts against the Dem Senators are lagging and not reporting any sizable signature strength.

      Ah well…

      • DDS in WI

        Well said. In addition the Madison Painters Union volunteered to clean the tape residue at the capital for FREE. I wish we had palm trees on State Street. sigh.

        • Jovianus

          YOU DON’T HAVE PALM TREES? You mean… O’Reilly and Beck lied to the American People and faked news reports ???? And the ads by Americans for prosperity…financed by the Koch Bros…are lies as well?

          • JC

            Jovianus…you MORON! You know damned well the film with the palm trees was part of a film montage of protests around the country.
            But YOU being a typical Statist and Propogandist and having no morality and no ammunition are still clinging to this meaningless piece of crap as though it actually means something.
            Grow up little boy.

          • Jovianus

            JC…I watched BOTH Beck and O’Reilly slant thier comments to coincide with the palm trees and vids with protestors in other states being out of line…and how BOTH pretended their comments were about protestors in Wisconsin doing the dirty deeds.

            And BOTH omitted the fact that at almost every event across the country the out of line protestors were subjected to castigations by fellow protestors to keep it clean. And I watched Beck as he quoted the $7.5 mil figure EVEN AS that was shown false in the news line running beneath the screen….

            Talk about morons…jeesh …

          • Bruce D.

            Jovianus all your comments are based on slanting the facts. You are so deep in spin that it is unlikely you even understand fact from fiction anymore. I stand with Glen Beck. I do not think you can find a more sincere person than him. O’Rielly calls them like he sees them and has a good show. He is one of those people who doesn’t really please the left or the right but because of the public debt he, as are many others, are moving farther to the right. The public debt Obama has taken on in the last three years has done more to hurt the progressive movement than a corrupt teachers union that funnels money to the democrat party could ever do.

          • Jovianus

            Bruce:

            All one has to do to watch two liars spin stories like a top is to watch O’Reilly and Beck. I doubt either one could tell the truth if their lives were at stake. I will say that once in a blue moon the facts line up and O’Reilly comes and tells it like it is…usually because it fits the story his controllers want to have out…but overall on the truth meter…Beck doesn’t even score a respectable measurement for an earthquake and O’Reilly doesn’t know truth from fact. O’Reilly is delusional, Beck is an out and out lying machine.

            And that, Sparky, is fact

          • Bruce D.

            Jovianus, sincerely it sounds like you are talking about yourself. You need to take a look at who you are and how others view you, for your own sake if nothing else.

          • Denniso

            Liberal bias? even if it were true,so what? What would that mean,but that maybe some in the news biz sympathize w/ the workers battling the Koch brothers and corporate America for their job security and bargaining rights…that’s what liberal is,caring about the workers.

          • Bruce D.

            I agree it is all about the union worker and they could care less about the viability of a business, the taxpayer, the deficit, or childrens education as long as their greed is being satisfied.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Denniso, but I have to disagree with you. I understand your opinion, but I fell it doesn’t tell the true story of liberals and our workforce. I agree with Wall Street’s Gordon Gekko that “greed” for want of a better word “is good.” We primarily but patiently explain to the liberals that firms can only gain revenue by selling things that people want and only make a profit if they sell these things for more than they cost to produce. In the process they give employment to people who prefer that job to any other they can find. Therefore profit making firms create wealth for their customers, owners, and employees. They take wealth from no one. So why, pray tell, do liberals and unions have such a problem with capitalism? Unions do just the opposite of what I’ve posted. I’m glad my hospital doesn’t have a union. I don’t believe in paying dues to someone who doesn’t work for their pay. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://naver sook young

            Also Denniso, do you really think that liberal women like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, and Michelle Obama really care about America and the jobs that have been lost under this administration? Do you think that they are good representatives of women in America? I just want to say that activists, politicians, and commentators like Ann Culter, Michelle Malkin, S. E. Cupp, Dana Loesch, Michelle Easton, Sonnie Johnson, Jenny Beth Martin, Michelle Moore, Jamie Radtke, Deneen Borelli, Janine Turner, and Congresswomen Jean Schmidt, Cynthia Lummis, Michelle Bachman, along with Sarah Palin, are fanning the flames of freedom across this nation for all Americans and not just women. The unions of today take away that freedom from the workers who are forced to pay dues to these people, to the controllers that live like kings without working for their pay, to the many scandals and illegal acts of unions, to the paying and bribing government and legal officials to turn a blind eye to their actions. How about the unions sending people to a person house in Baltimore and terrorizing his 14 year old son? How about the SEIU sending thugs after a couple in New Orleans for trying to get people registered as Republicans? How about the SEIU and the people they sponsor, employing so many illegal aliens and not giving these jobs to the Americans that may need them to feed their families? I say that we women have a powerful voice in this country and can change it if we wanted to for the better, but as long as we have women who are opposed to this country (Like the liberals I’ve mentioned above.), we may never succeed till we get them out of office and send them on a slow boat to North Korea. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Bruce D.

            Well done Sook Young on both posts but I especially liked the first.

          • Denniso

            “you women”, owe most of your freedom,economic and other,to the very liberal women you seem to despise. From the right to vote,right to own property,right to leave a marriage when necessary or desirable,right to work,and the right to your own body…all were fought for by LIBERAL women who struggled for a hundred yrs and more to get you and Palin and the shrieker Coulter those rights. None of them or you would enjoy the freedoms you now have w/o Gloria Steinem,Betty Freidan,and all the women who truly fought for just your right to vote.
            It’s a bit ironic and narrow minded that conservative women now detest the very women who dedicated their lives for the rights they now take for granted, and all of those women,every one of them,were strong liberals.
            You and other conservatives need to read the history of women’s struggle for equality.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Denniso, but I do not hate or despise the women that helped women attain the rights we have. I was just giving examples of the modern day liberal women. Please don’t confuse what I’m trying to say. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Denniso

            You named hard working women that the rightwing has been trashing and smearing for years,and you don’t think they care about America or the lost jobs. That’s a pretty definite condemnation of them,who just happen to be liberals,and who have also helped pave the way for all women to strive for the ambitions. Hillary Clinton is the first ever wife of a president to be elected Senator,and only the 3rd female Secretary of State in our history. She has spent most of her life fighting for human rights and justice and fairness for all in this country. Michelle Obama is the first ever Black first lady in our history as well as any other major country. She is an attorney and mother,and of course she cares about the country.

        • http://MSN.com RonaldL

          America has always had a unique system of government that attracted the world, and for that reason should continue to be an “oasis of freedom and prosperity.”
          President Obama never cared about or wanted healthcare reform; he wanted to nationalize 1/6th of the American Economy that after taking over the Banking Industry, the Automotive Industry, the Energy Industry and the Housing industry. In others words, it was 100 percent a bloodless Marxist coup. You have been lied to and deceived, it really is that simple.
          Do you have any idea how the American economy was quickly transformed in just two years?. How we don’t have strong oppositions?
          America has been fundamentally and forever transformed by Obama already! Unless we wake up the rest of the sleeping giant, we will not be able to salvage any portion of our great land from this tyrant.
          Impeachment hearings must be initiated right away before anymore damage to the framework of the constitution can be implemented by the *undocumented* Constitutional Lawyer/Traitor known as President Obama.
          Jobs numbers for both growth and unemployment have been altered. Obama changed the way that poverty is determined in America, so we have a new poverty line formula thus putting more Americans on Food Stamps further enriching JP Morgan.
          All this has been done to hide one thing, not from America but from actual thinking Americans. Obama’s agenda is to crash the American Capitalist way of life and FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM us into a Pseudo European Socialist Democracy where corrupt Marxist union leaders and appointed ‘heads State owned industries’ rule over the real workers of America in his progressive utopia where America shares its wealth with the rest of the world as we apologize for being exceptional and gracefully bow to influences of Marxism Socialism and eventually Sharia law.
          Look at how open borders and unlimited immigration is more important than helping the middle class. Look at how they want to lower the pay of health care workers, engineers, and other knowledge workers but increase the pay of the big law firm attorneys or investment bankers.

          • http://MSN.com John Kurle

            The Healthcare bill (OBAMACARE) signed into Law by Obama on March 23, 2010 is unconstitutional and voidable since he is “Constitutionally ineligible” to serve as President of the United States.

            The United States Constitution mandates the President of the United States must be a United States “natural born” Citizen – Article II, Section I; HE is not an AMERICAN.

            Barack Obama even point that out in his book. His heart belongs to Kenya and the anti colonial, anti American, anti WESTERN and most of all anti Jew and Christian country. Michelle Obama states that Kenya is Obama’s home country. The Ambassador oF Kenya has confirmed the same.
            His family, friends all know it, and are in fact quite proud of the fact that Americans had no hesitation in electing a “black man from Kenya” as President of the United States. Members from all three branches of the Federal government already know that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible for the office of President.

            Who and what is the man sitting in the people’s White House?

            The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees unfortunately, it seems that there is either great incompetence or a great coup; because an unqualified president in an office is a greatest weapon that the enemy could have used and unprecedented efforts to destroy and transform an American society. The US government is therefore culpable to the crime committed against “the people” of the United States, the CITIZENS.

          • Jovianus

            Earlier I stated the comedians were out in force today. I should add the nutcases have been given liberty from the asylum as well ….

          • Stan Smith

            Look at Jo anus! Stepping up his Libtard rants! Now that’s comedy!

          • http://MSN.com John Kurle

            Sadly, it is probably already too late. The United States of America will not survive 2 more years of Tsar Obama. The best we can do is hope by the Grace of God some event takes place that removes him from the office he illegitimately seized.

      • Average Joe

        He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher… or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.
        Douglas Adams

        ‘Nuff said…

      • Sam

        Well that’s right the democrats were being so poorly treated they all just decided to leave the state and spend their money on motels, food, and whiskey while their famalies scraped by in their high-end houses and luxury suv’s! In the meantime, they are saving lots of money on heating and electricity in the empty schools. Such a good idea they may just not reopen them. Especially when their bloated salaries are ct off.

        • 45caliber

          I wonder just how many kids will return to school after this is over. If I was a parent, I’d homeschool my kids in disgust.

      • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

        QUESTION jovianus–Does China have Unions? Did’nt General motors belong to a Union? Maybe you could get a union job in China. WOW
        THEY WOULD LOVE THE DUES.

        • Jovianus

          Preston…China is headed for a great abyss in a few years. Why should i go there since by then we’ll have this Nation back in shape and hummin’ along? Y’all have to recognize reality and quit whining, shut yer yappin’ and prhaps for once pitch in so everyone doesn’t have to carry you along as we get us back from the fiasco of Reagan and Bush’s I and II.

          • JC

            I agree, we’ll have it back in shape just as soon as we get rid of the commies and retake our Republic.

          • Jovianus

            JC..one day you’ll realize how wrong you’ve been misled by the controllrs of the TP and the GOP.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Its going to take more then a few years. We dont have enough manufacturing jobs to support the American people back to work, peak oil, peak credit and soon–peak food!
            Not cost effective to start a Business here, too many taxes, regulations to comply with, and labor unions. easire & cheaper to Start one elsewhere. Our Monetary policies need to be replaced, and grounded. lobbyists-Military Industrial Complex (The 5 start General-President warned us about)

            yes- Both Parties have suficiently wrecked our nations economy and cost us all dearly… :(

          • Bruce D.

            I agree Biitter. Jovianus and the left do not understand business as they assume business is an enemy that needs to be either destroyed or controlled through unions or government. Business people deal with a lot of problems on a daily basis. If the profit margin is not there to make it worth their while they will make changes. They move to a different state which is more business friendly or move out of the country if they can. As many on this site prepare for the worst by storing food and gold, others who are in a position to move money and assets offshore to create a safe heaven in case of a crisis. Few feel America is a safe heaven any longer. People are not comfortable with a 5 trillion dollar debt in three years.

          • Allan Halbert

            What is it about conservatives being just as independent in their point of view as you that you can’t COMPREHEND?

            I don’t know “the controllers”, I’ve never talked to a “controller”. I don’t give a damn about “the controllers”, or the wealthy, or the CEO’s.

            I fundamentally disagree with your view of the reality. You are not preaching to the choir here. You are not reaching anyone with logic that jibes with the business, military, or life experience we have. That leaves only your argument and your attitude.

            The former is weak and the latter is churlish and provocative.

            Given what you stand to accomplish from being here, I think you are paid.

          • JUKEBOX

            I am glad Jovanius is recognizing that the Republicans are capable of turning the country around, and that maybe Obama, Reid & Pelosi should resign for their $605 billion fraud in the Obamacare bill.

      • Lyle

        I love how all you leftist nitpicker parrots consistently latch onto a couple of items from the Right (which are impossible for you to understand) and rhetorically beat them to death. Especially when you know well (but will never admit it) that if you applied your standards to your leftist (Progressive, Moderate, Centrist and the like, you’re ALL the same) BS, spin, outright lies and maniacal talking points there wouldn’t be enough time or space in the world to list even 0.5 percent of your drivel and lies [shall we call them mistakes (Lies Lite), I know YOU never would].

        • JUKEBOX

          When a Dem says it, it is a mispeak, but when Huckabee mispeaks, O’Donnell on MSLSD calls it a “LIE”.

      • Kitt

        Thank you! I am finding it hard to find fair news coverage, and I live in WI. All I can find is left wing coverage calling the democrats union thugs and idiots.

    • David

      It’s all driven from fear. Fear that they may be discovered as the lying cheating elitist that they are. They fear the Tea Party and the changes it may bring. That is why they vehemently attack them with on every front. It disgusts me when I hear Chris Matthews call Tea Partiers, “Tea-baggers”. Quite frankly the sexual comment show how low they need to stoop to turn the tide.

  • Pete

    Them journalist are so lazy ! They need to get out there and get us some NEWS instead of FICTION … If I want to watch FICTION I’ll turn on the Sci-Fi channel !

    They like telling us sweet libtard propaganda because it easier to mentally digest. Where’s the reality ? America is broke, Wisconsin is broke ! We failed to manage our money right – now people are going to starve and die …

    We wouldn’t be in this position if the DemoPublicans could just balance the budget every year.

    When the masses riot they know where all the MSM libtards live, they are going to loot those houses first. Aristotle said “Bards tell many lies” . Them libtard bards are gonna get it from the dumb voters.

    • Gary

      Pete,
      You appear to be completely ignorant of the facts. Wisconsin has no budget problem. The budget HAS been balanced EVERY YEAR. It is requred by the state constitution. The supposed budget problem is a scam . If you want to understand that read:
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/23/949035/-A-Primer-on-the-Wisconsin-State-Budget-Process

      • Bill

        Then, where did all the debt come from? Maybe it was George Bush’s fault?

        • Gary

          Another ignorant one heard from….we’re talking about WISCONSIN here, not federal! Pay attention!!!

      • EX Wisconsonite

        The article you site quotes this means to balance the budget.
        “(1) cut some existing or proposed program,
        (2) dip into existing cash reserves (big HA! here), or
        (3) figure out how to raise more revenue.”
        Note number 3. This is what Scott Walker will NOT DO.
        I left Wisconsin with Doyle the biggest spender ever in Wisconsin. It is not just adding taxes to income, he added taxes for about everything. I never paid such HIGH Real Estate tax, sales tax, and Income tax rates in my life until I moved to Wisconsin. The state was listed as number 1 out of 50 for highest taxation in the country, and it is because you MUST balance the budget. So if you spend more, you find more ways to raise revenue. Well soon all the taxpayers who are smart and businesses who are smart MOVE OUT. Thus even less revenue. That is why Scott Walker wants to cut spending. He has no recourse when you spend like crazy and there is no more squeezing revenue from taxpayers. It has to stop just like OBAMA and his crazy spending. JUST RAISE MORE SNEAKY WAYS TO TAX such as all the added so called fees they stuck in the OBAMACARE bill. 3.8% tax on the sale of your home after Jan 2013. Doyle Dems got beat out in the election and it is now time to balance the budget with cutting the SPENDING to avoid even more taxation. WAKE UP Wisconsin!!

        • Open Eyes

          “OBAMA and his crazy spending”
          Reality check, WAR spending thanks to Bush&Co, Repubs overspent Dems in every recent administration.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Open Eyes… Seriously? You want to point out spending habits of the Republicans, but fail to notice the spending the current administration has done? Typical liberal logic. Get some new material. Bush is no longer in office. The buck, stops with Barry now.

          • Lyle

            ALL BULLS#!T LEFTIST TALKING POINTS!!!!!!!!!

          • Jovianus

            Just for the record…under President Obama, the deficit spending has increased 20% in his years in office. That’s it…with adding two wars to the official budget items and the Stimulus package…20%. And for that we were rescued from a Depression and are now digging out from the rubble of the Bush years.

            Small price to pay. Ecept, the Right want the wealthy and Big Corporate America (domestic and foeign0 to skate free of the mess they helped cause and have us foot more of the bill …

            Nice eh?

          • JUKEBOX

            Is that why the deficit for February, 2011 was more than Bush’s entire last year?

          • bob wire

            liberals know you want to forget about the 8 years of 43 and two unfunded wars that still continue today. I don’t believe they have any plans to allow you such a privilege.

            Money lost, is lost and never to be made up unless of course it can be considered an investment that offers returns. Can you think of anything that might qualify as a sound investment that offers returns under 43 tenure?

      • Lyle

        Gary. Any budget ballancing in Wisconsin since Doyle was just spin on paper and theft of the slush fund that the Dems ran by funding those 363 public employee positions that they would not fill or eliminate.

        Walker will eliminate them so that the slush fund is eliminated.

        • Lyle

          CORRECTION

          Gary. Any budget ballancing in Wisconsin since Doyle TOOK OVER was just spin on paper and theft of the slush fund that the Dems ran by funding those 363 public employee positions that they would not fill or eliminate.

          Walker will eliminate them so that the slush fund is eliminated.

      • http://deleted Claire

        My Wisconsin relatives say the deficit occurred when Walker gave tax cuts to the corporations, etc.

    • 45caliber

      I lost all respect for MSM’s “news gathering” in Vietnam. They sat in bars all day and accepted whatever the locals told them as to battles, etc. They do the same in most of their stories today – taking it from other liberals instead of gathering it themselves.

      • Jovianus

        45…are you saying all the reports on the news showing reporters in the heat of the battle area in the “Nam years” were faked? Seriously?

        • SteveB

          To Jovianus….
          I was an infantry squad leader for a whole year in the central highlands of South Vietnam serving with 101st Airborne Division.Back in those days we didn’t have the cute little camcorders we have today.
          TV equipment was big,heavy and cumbersome….not to mention the humid and rainy conditions. We had a reporter come with us only once in a whole year….and he lasted just one day and had to take his broken equipment and leave.Further….he was so out of shape and weak that he couldn’t keep up….becoming a dangerous liability to the safety of my squad and platoon. And my answer to you is….yes, the whole war was not reported, but only where it was convenient. When I returned home in 1970 I watched the news with great interest and never once saw the “real” jungle war on the screen.
          Sometimes it’s not an issue of wanting to get news on the screen….it is a matter of safety. It’s “war”….not a game or a scripted TV show. The participants don’t get shot and killed and come back next week in a new episode. So there are many places reporters cannot go for that reason….not to mention classified locations and identifiable reference points we certainly don’t want to share on the air with our enemies.
          I hope this clarifies things a bit for you.

          • JeffH

            SteveB, just wanted to say thank you for your service.

          • Bruce D.

            Interesting post.

          • Jovianus

            I agree..interesting post. Thanx

          • Bruce D.

            I just finished watching Restrepo. Anyone interested in the SteveB post might also find Restrepo interesting as it is a closeup look at those fighting in the field in Afghanistan. In the field there are mostly very young men and I am impressed truly by the quality of these young men.

          • JUKEBOX

            They say ignorance is bliss, and Jovanius must be in a state of ecstacy constantly.

          • JeffH

            Bruce D., I watched “Restrepo” over the week end. Pretty enlightening footage.

    • Gary

      One other thing: If there was a desire to end all the problems this state is facing financially…and if the powers that be refuse to make the “haves” who are grossly rich pay more -and they should- to help the “have nots.” Then why not have everyone do their part? Increasing state sales tax from the current 5% to 6.5% -a buck and a half per hundred- would fix the problem. However, it seems that everyone cares only about getting “what is theirs” and the hell with everyone else.

      • Average Joe

        Gary,
        The “Haves” are those people who have jobs and pay taxes…..so that the “have nots” can sit at home and collect welfare.

        “All government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service,” Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/x449485329/Edward-Achorn-Democratic-icon-FDR-opposed-public-unions

        • Gary

          Wisconsin doesn’t have welfare. By haves I mean “have in gross excess”. Those that have LOTS could easily pay more without hurting. I think we all know that. Instead this is an attempt to let them keep theirs and take more from those of us who ARE middle class, tax paying working stiffs. As a tax paying public employee in Wisconsin I have no problem doing my part. I have no problem doing MORE. But not when obscenely wealthy incividuals aren’t doing their part! And not when the guber lies about the situation to screw people who had to work every day to make what they have only to give it away -in the guise of tax breaks- to people who not only don’t need it but who probably didn’t earn it….they inherited it. As for budget/fiscal issues wehter it’s federal, state, county or municipal the facts are simple. Services cost money and there are only 2 options: increase income to pay for services
          -either by user fees or increased taxes (which are basically the same thing with a different approach as to how the burden is shared)- or cut services. The cost of doing government is the same as the cost of doing any other type of business. It has increased over time and continues to do so, while there is a belief that we can hold the line on taxes. You can’t have it both ways.

          • Average Joe

            “Wisconsin doesn’t have welfare.”
            I call…BS….. http://www.bing.com/search?q=wisconsin+welfare+programs&form=QBRE&qs=AS&sk=AS1&pq=wisconsin+welfare&sp=2&sc=8-17

            Not even a decent try on your behalf.

            “Instead this is an attempt to let them keep theirs and take more from those of us who ARE middle class, tax paying working stiffs.”

            They earned the money that they have by working, investing and taking risks. So, why shouldn’t they be allowed to keep the fruits of their labor, funding and entrepreneurship? Are you somehow better than they are? Do they for some reason…owe you something…simply because you didn’t succeed in life on the same level that they did?…Sounds to me like you are suffering from envy and are a bit jealous….Maybe in the future, you should look at what you have…rather than what everyone else has…..as that…is none of your business and doesn’t affect you in any way shape or form. As for the envy and jealousy….see a psychologist…they can help with that issue.

            To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.
            Douglas Adams

          • lkar

            So then, is it you Gary who gets to decide what “gross excess” is? If not you, then who? How about just a little over “excess”? It shouldn’t hurt them to pay a little more. Maybe we target only the Tea Party people. Maybe they should pay because we don’t agree with them. Where do you want to draw the line? Let the government decide? That doesn’t seem to work as the Democrats leave town if they don’t like the way the vote will end up. Or else you end up with government beaurcrats shutting down little kids lemonade stands because they don’t have a permit. Everyone wants someone else to pay until it gets to their money (Micheal Moore should be the poster child for this hypocrisy).

  • s c

    Media whores went ‘national’ back in the ’30s. It’s an old tradition, and those who would have stood up to those strumpets and exposed them are long dead. In the case of Wisconsin, a governor has been put in an awkward position, but he has right on his side.
    In NO way is that governor obligated to cater to the law-breaking whims of vermin who refuse to do their job. Show me an incompetent, overpaid teacher who claims to care about students, and I’ll show you a Wisconsin non-teacher who needs to work at a DMV or welcome customers at a WalMart.
    Advanced degrees are not needed to know that students don’t get taught if their “teachers” are protesting. The governor needs to put their checks on hold. He needs to get a complete list of “teachers” who are absent. Put their teaching credentials in limbo, and let the pathetic SOBs howl.
    Let media whores do their worst. They’re good at it. But, at the same time, Americans need to remember that when students are ignored and they are NOT being taught, common sense dictates solutions.
    Media whores, absent ‘teachers’ and AWOL Wisconsin state legislators have no solutions. “Teachers” who won’t teach, media whores and AWOL state legislators are the PROBLEM. Fix it. Replace those non-teaching ‘teachers.’ Treat state legislators like the non-functional retards they are.
    Governor Walker has a golden opportunity to restore sense to his state. If he does it, he will deserve to be called a LEADER. If he doesn’t, he should be in Washington with the rest of America’s premiere posers.

    • Michael J.

      sc,
      We can only hope that Scott Walker is asking himself, what would Ronald Reagan do if he were in my shoes? Time for unions across the country to realize that the stinky stuff has hit the twirling blades and everyone will have to contend with having less until we get past the Obama depression.

      • Bruce D.

        Scott Walker is staying strong. The real question is will the American people desert him or stay strong with him.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Bruce D. Governor Walker was most likely aware of the circumstances that would prevail before he ran for governor. If he does stand strong and weathers this fiasco, he will come out a leader. If he caves, than the whole world will know that he is a wimp and is unable to stand his ground. I hope he has what it takes to not knuckle under. Perhaps seeing newbys come up through the ranks and tested prior to throwing their
          ‘hats into the ring’ will open the eyes of many voters for future presidential elections. We don’t want another president that is clueless.

          • 45caliber

            Or gutless.

        • Patriot

          The people not only in Wisconsin are with him, but, across the Nation they stand with him as well!

          • Jovianus

            Comedians out in force today eh?

          • DDS in WI

            The whole 33% majority eh?

          • Average Joe

            Nope…Just just a few of you…thank God!

          • Average Joe

            BTW, that was directed at Jovial Anus…jovial because his head is up in keeping it company….

          • http://naver sook young

            We are having the same problems in Indiana with unions and democrats walking out. I fully support Wisconsin’s governor and have an idea of what he’s going through. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Jovianus

          The good governor is staying bought and paid for. I don’t call that being strong. Strong is a willingness to face the opponent…not reject everything, pout like a spiled child, and refuse to talk …

          I understand he refuses to even agree to a co-interview format on local TV where he and the opposition can be interviewed and have a “point-counter point’ discussion. [note: I haven't verified this last sentence I read in a 'net news article ...so it may or may not be accurate.]

          Either way…the good gvernor is either staying bought ad paid for by the Koch Bros., or he’s a coward hiding from the nager of his own making. He certainly cannot be described as ‘strong”.

          • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

            DID’NT GENERAL MOTORS BELONG TO A UNION? WOW! GREAT JOB UNIONS

          • EX Wisconsonite

            Jovianus, It is OBVIOUS you were probably taught by the OVERPAID Wisconsin Teachers who did not do a very good job with your spelling and English language lessons.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Jo… What evidence do you have that the Koch brothers have ‘bought and paid for’ Gov. Walker?

          • JeffH

            Robin from Arcadia, IN, other than none?

            Who are these billionaire Republicans, the Koch brothers, the new whipping boys of the left? Who are these horrible, oppressive captains of industry and how DARE they speak out against the policies of Barack Obama!

            Actually, Jo and his fellow minions to the extreme liberal left along with the protesters should be rooting for the Koch brothers. This is something the unions don’t want to talk about.

            According to the State of Wisconsin Investment Board (SWIB), the Wisconsin Retirement System owns $5.5 million in Georgia Pacific corporate bonds. (Georgia Pacific is owned by Koch Industries.) This is the retirement system in which the overwhelming majority of state and local employees participate. These are the pension benefits that public employees are trying so hard to protect.

          • eddie47d

            Who cares who owns the pension plan. It sounds like the Koch’s bit off more than they could chew and wants to take out the unions so they don’t loose their investment. More reasons to suspect collusion with Gov Walker. Look out working people of America for they are still trying to ratchet your livelihood down.

          • JeffH

            eddie, figure it out…“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
            Abe Lincoln

          • eddie47d

            Yup; There is less doubt about the Koch’s the more I learn. Thanks for the facts Jeff.

          • JeffH

            eddie, this might help you out a little…How to not be stupid 101.
            How to not be stupid will be a complicated one, since there are many varieties of dumb. In this course, it will be broken down for you.
            http://arainyday.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/how-to-not-be-stupid-101/

          • http://naver sook young

            Could you cite a source, please? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Open Eyes

          Walker has deserted American workers.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Open Eyes… I don’t think Gov. Walker has deserted the American workers. He is standing with the majority who do not belong to a union. Finally, we have someone on our side!

          • http://deleted Claire

            From what I hear, the protesters are working fast and furious on the recall of Republican Senators that have been in office for over a year. All they need is 500,000 signatures–they are well on their way to getting them. Walker will have to pass legislature to delete the “Recall” policy in a hurry.

      • Open Eyes

        Everyone except the bankers who broke the economy and scooped up all our tax dollars, of course.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Open Eyes… Are you referring to Barney Franks’s pals?

          • eddie47d

            There are plenty of banksters out there to blame for the collaspe of the economy. Try attacking some of the big boys on both sides instead of going after the workers. If you destroy unions all workers will feel the heat from those who control this country. Those non-union workers will be earning even less.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Eddie, not blasting you but you are poorly informed if you think that Unions are the only way an employee has rights, gets change, or can go on strike. Most Unions are NOTHING more then a “Bargaining Unit” or otherwise known as a Middle man. Since when do Americans need a Middleman? Perhaps before the Multi Media, tape recording, cell phone speaker phones, and cameras…not now. I run a business with over 70 employees and we are Non Union. The employees & I work together to a common goal. No Problem here. have we ever pissed each other off..sure, but grown adults can be reasoned with. have I ever had a Union Campaign against me? YES..did they Lie about me–Absolutely. Did I ever take the stand against the charges..yes—were all charges dropped..yes. What that experience taught me was that there is a simple way without a Union sucking the money from hard working people for the employees to bring ANY employer up on charges and get RESOLUTION all on their own..

            Now knowing that these laws are real..why would anyone want a UNION?

          • eddie47d

            Those fair labor laws that you say exist were brought to you by the unions. They didn’t exist until the unions got involved.

    • SteveB

      I’m in total agreement. Walker sees the problem and has enough courage to stand up and do what’s right….even at risk of his own popularity. I applaud his effort. We need more like him instead of the spineless cowards we have in the White House.
      As for the teachers who won’t work. They may not be in the classroom….but they are “teaching”. And when they return to the classroom their students should ask them “What else do you want to teach us how to “do as you say…..but not do as you do!”

      • eddie47d

        The teachers are the ones who showed courage by setting an example to the State of Wisconsin and to their students. It brought budget cuts to the forefront and the actions of the Governor. It showed the students to be involved when someone tries to take something away from you under false pretenses. (union busting in the name of solving the economic crises). It also showed the students that the teachers were willing to give back part of their salary and pension.It also showed the students the stubbornness of the Governor after the teachers were willing to compromise. Will they learn that government is all powerful and can take away what you have earned or will the individual be willing to stand up to those forces. I’m hoping they will also learn about State finances and how a budget works. So yes the students will learn plenty.

        • Bill

          The teachers in Wisconsin, with few exceptions, do not teach. They are day care providers who graduate functional illiterates and don’t even try to hide it. They have been a socialist state for decades. Finally, somebody said no more CREDIT! They want all U.S. taxpayers to “bail” them out, just like California, New York, Illinois, etc. The minor adjustments the new Gov has asked for are just a holding action. Dosen’t solve anything.

          • bob wire

            I’ve never been to Wisconsin but I sure hope that you are wrong about teachers.

        • Average Joe

          Protesting at the Capitol when you are supposed to be at work…teaching our children while turning in “fake” doctors notes to collect a paycheck (Fraud) is teaching them exactly what?
          I have to wonder what morals these teachers are teaching our children …..that it is ok to lie and steal….as long as you get what you want?….shame on you….(Yes, fraud amounts to both lying and theft). Want to protest?…do it on the weekends and evenings…on your time…not on our children’s time……

          If they called in sick and take the pay, I hope they all get their just rewards…fired….no unemployment….and prosecuted….

          Here is the reality:

          Governor Walker was elected by the majority on the premise that he was going to make the tough choices to fix the State’s unsustainable budget deficits. Now, he is attempting to do just that and some people are not happy. Everyone wants the budget fixed, everyone wants spending cuts to be made …somewhere….so long as it doesn’t affect them. We can’t have it both ways.

          Unfortunately, unlike the Federal Government, the State of Wisconsin cannot turn on the printing press and churn out the dollars to pay those deficits. Either benefits need to be reigned in or layoffs must be made….or, they could raise the taxes on the corporations in order to raise the revenue…which in all likely-hood would cause the corporations pack up and move to another state with lower taxes, causing job loses and revenue losses for the state and a worsening of the problem.

          When the money runs out….jobs cease to exist…we need to either sacrifice a little now…or we will surely suffer a lot later.

          • 45caliber

            Average:

            I believe that every principal and superintendent in Wisconsin should be scanning every bit of the news videos on the strike there. If they spot a teacher they know, they wait until the teacher hands them a doctors’ excuse – and then fire them for fraud. They can’t be home sick and on a picket line at the same time. In fact, I’d send someone there with a movie camera to film them all so I can get an even better look at who is there – and who isn’t.

          • Average Joe

            45caliber says:

            The only problem that I see is…those same principles and superintendants are right there with them…doing the same thing….just an observation….but yes…they should all be prosecuted for fraud against the state and the taxpayers…let’s not forget that the taxpayers are paying for this fraud and economic theft…

          • Jovianus

            Well..if he ran and said he would be doing his acts he has performed … then in his recall campaign he should be re-elected. What do you think the odds are of his surviving a recall election? I’d say his odds are … no way he’d survive a recall election. Which is why he’s runing scared and staying bought and paid for via the Koch Bros.

          • Gary

            Once again…read:

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/23/949035/-A-Primer-on-the-Wisconsin-State-Budget-Process

            And then comment, once you know the facts about the Wisconsin “budget crisis.” Wisconsin’s budget IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN BALANCED. It’s required by the state constitution!

          • Average Joe

            Jovianus says:

            That’s a lot of “what if’s” …..that is called…fantasy.
            What if frogs had wings? What if people always made the right decisions?
            What if….what if…what if….

            The reality is ….he was elected….he is Govenor….and he is making the tough choices….don’t like it?….move…..

          • Average Joe

            Gary says:

            You actually read that liberal rag?….lmao

            Primer….there is a certain amount of money commng in to the state….in order to balance the budget….no more than that same amount can go out…it’s real easy to understand.
            It’s not like he is cutting their pay or taking anything that they already have away….he simply looking at the next few years and saying…..you either need to compromise now…or we won’t be able to pay you in the future…because…WE ARE BROKE….those last three words…says it all.

          • eddie47d

            Gov Walker committed fraud by lying about what his motives were and who was behind his trying to weaken the unions. If you want someone prosecuted then start with him. You bottom feeders always start with the little guy and try to destroy their lives instead of looking up and see who started this fruckus. Gov. Walker has not offered to give up any of his salary to prove a point. It’s just too easy for him to attack others without making sacrifices from yourself. Some courage he has shown! What sacrifices are Joe,Caliber and Bill making for the good of your State. How much of your paycheck or your retirement check are you forfeiting? It’s so easy to sit back in your easy chair and demand concessions from others as long as you don’t have to give anything up.

          • JeffH

            jovianus is nothing more than the classic Alinskyite, a shill for the Maexist left.

            Has anybody ever noticed that these schills use the same tactics of trying to either change the subject or just plain putting words in a commenters mouth?

            Here’s an example…”So what you are saying….”(fill in the blanks). It’s always the same. Ridicule, make fun of and blame Bush. Bad mouth Palin! Look at these commies who disagree and somewhere, a great number of their “diatribes” will begin with “So what you are saying…”!
            Classic Alinsky all the way. It don’t work no more Jo. Over time, just like all the other commies who attempt to disrupt PLD, they move on to their home websites like the Kos, the Democratic Underground or Huff-n-Toke bragging, patting each other on the back.

          • Average Joe

            eddie47d says:

            “Walker has not offered to give up any of his salary to prove a point.”

            You might try fact checking …before you spout off with something that is not only stupid….but can be disproven.
            Between 2004 and 2008 Walker has given back approximately 60k per year of his salary. Since 2008 he has given back 10k per year of his salary….and you’ve given back how much?….right …that’s what I thought…..zip,zilch….nada…..does the right side of your brain have any idea what the left side is doing?…..I have to wonder….

            A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; Jovianus never mentioned Bush or Palin. I think you are the one using Alinsky tactics and lying again to prove a point.

          • bob wire

            “Between 2004 and 2008 Walker has given back approximately 60k per year of his salary. Since 2008 he has given back 10k per year of his salary….and you’ve given back how much?…”

            Information such as that is important to know and should be broadcast until everyone knows.

            I’m a strong believer in leading by example.

            thanks, bw

          • Average Joe

            eddie,
            Do you have any idea what an analogy is?…here, I’ll help you out…

            Analogy: 1. comparison: a comparison between two things that are similar in some way, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand
            2. similarity: a similarity in some respects
            3. biology equivalence between independent parts: equivalence in biological function between body parts or organs that have appeared independently in different plants and animals
            4. logic form of reasoning: a form of logical inference, reasoning that if two things are taken to be alike in one way, they are alike in other ways
            5. linguistics standardization of linguistic forms: the development or production of linguistic forms and patterns that resemble those already predominating in a language.

            I am starting to think that you only post because you have nothing better to do with your life….and like reading your own ramblings…thator,…you are a paid schill…trying to sway intelligent people from the truth….pssst…intelligent people…aren’t buying your BS…so, take your goods and go home…NO SALE!

          • JeffH

            eddie, so typicaly unable to comprehend what was posted…

          • eddie47d

            Average Joe is correct in those numbers but I was reffering to his present term as Governor not as State Senator. Although those numbers were impressive and I can’t compete with the $55 I have to give back. Anyone else willing to step up to the plate to help the economy?

          • eddie47d

            Jeff: Are you a permanent idiot or is there still time for you to change?

          • Average Joe

            Eddie, he is still giving back 10k from his salary anually.

          • JeffH

            eddie, you’re on a roll today. Got a question to ask and I think you might be the one to answer it.

            If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

          • eddie47d

            By golly Gomer I would have succeeded. Go look up dufus,dufus.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          eddie… Really? What are the students learning except if you don’t get your way you don’t have to behave like an adult and that you can forgo your responsibilities? What about the parents who are struggling to make ends meet and work while their children are in school? How hard is it on them when teachers decide that their own benefits and salaries are more important than others? With small children these parents can’t leave them alone to go to to work. Been there, done that! Even when school closes for weather reasons it is hard on some. Teachers who don’t want to teach shouldn’t be in the profession!

          • eddie47d

            Teaching was on their menu and they showed their students to stand up for themselves. Don’t cower in a corner and just accept anything the government throws at you. Which apparently you would do.

          • Average Joe

            Eddie….and don’t go protesting…and then claiming you were sick….so that you can defraud the taxpayers…..It is after all…criminal.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Truly sad is the rankings of American educaiton when compared to other countries.

    • 45caliber

      SC:

      Not the DMV, please! We already have enough lousy workers there now.

  • Delbert Townley

    As an old Truck driver (abour 7 Million miles) and having been not to unload my trailer and actually not allowed on union held property because I wasn’t a union member. I have a number of other other occations of unload delays because the union drivers always got unloaded ahead of non union drivers. Way back, in the 60s, when I worked at a mill that voted in the union who promised such wonders. I was allowed to work there but I had to pay the graft they demanded or I had to leave for my own safety. Well, I left. And found a non union job that actually payed the same but without the graft that I would have had to pay to the unions. In case there is any doubt, I do not care to have to be a tribute slave to a union.

    • eddie47d

      I hate to burst your bubble Delbert but it takes money to run any organization. Whether the Elks club,VFW.Chamber of Commerce, Local church,Republican Party,Democrat Party,Boy Scouts or even the Unions. No organization can survive without money or a budget. Not belonging is your choice but it sounds like you want the same benefits without having to pay for it.

      • Sam

        Happy to pay for it directly, but not into the union coffers so they can support crime, chaos, socialism, and live in luxury. If you want to waste your money on unions, politicians, and free health care for Muslims you are going to love living with your new dictator in the United Socialist States of America.

      • Jovianus

        Eddie…wanting the benefits but not wanting to pay for it…isn’t that the unoffical motto of the TP ? Seems like it as they don’t want to pay taxes for their singular and personal benefits they receive living in this society built upon union labor and progressive programs…and they want everything else cut but what they benefit from (to heck with the other guy). Oh…and they want the wealthy and Big Corporations to have everything handed to them for free at our cost to pay for those benefits and subsidies.

        Just making sure I understand …

      • Average Joe

        eddie47d, I swear, you go further into the abyss everyday.

        “Not belonging is your choice but it sounds like you want the same benefits without having to pay for it.”

        When you “must” join a union in order to do the job that you trained for….there is no choice…..or haven’t you in all of your infinate wisdom …figured that out yet? These teachers do not have a choice in the matter…if they want to teach, they “MUST” join the union.

        Now, since the man just stated that “he” found another job that paid about the same all around without a union…why on earth would he want to
        pay someone extra money?….psssst…a hint…he got the benefits….without having a paid thug to negotiate for him….so, what purpose does the union actually have….other than thuggery? Unions = Mob Rule!

        • eddie47d

          Joe and Sam; More Caca bull from arrogant airheads who defend wealth over work. Every organization can have differing views or different ways to collect dues to run an organization.Nobody is stifling opinion but in order for an organization to function everyone has to play a part within that group. Apparently you don’t belong to any veterans group or Elks or whatever. You think they can function without being a whole unit. So what if everyone in a union has to pay dues or even the Elks. They all receive benefits from belonging and that makes it fair for everyone.Just like with Delbert,he didn’t like belonging to a union so he went elsewhere. No one forced him to work at a certain company.

          • lkar

            Your comparison is flawed. The veteran’s group or the Elk group is a choice. If I do not pay their dues, I am not a part of their group. Being forced to join a union as a “choice” in my employment is coersion. If I do not pay, then I do not get to have a job. Then I cannot pay my bills, buy food and medical needs, I end up homeless and poor blaming the “rich guys”. Those corporate bastards who fired me! Must be the Koch brothers fault.
            I see the problem with Walker is that he tried to much. He should of just asked for the benefits concession. Then he should have made the union dues collection a responsibility of the union. Have them collect their owns dues from the teachers.

          • Average Joe

            Pour yourself another cup of stupid eddie….it suits you.
            If you can’t make your point with any facts….resort to name calling and silly rants….yup…that makes me want to listen to you….not!

            Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
            Douglas Adams

          • eddie47d

            Average Joe; You like patting yourself on the back for lambasting other workers who negotiated a better pension plan than you? Your jealousy is showing so it really comes down to your big ego. You’re a dozen cards short of a full deck. As we find out more and more about how the Koch Brothers influence Wisconsin politics it is becoming very clear what their motives are. I hope Governor Walker cleans up the budget problem on everyone’s back not just a select few. That’s a pretty simple request.

          • Thamera

            Eddie: you applaud the teacher’s unions for lambasting a pension plan that is better than others but tell me, who pays for those pensions? Do you even know???? You are an EMPTY HOLE!!!

          • eddie47d

            Your an empty skirt. You think because someone works for the government that somehow takes away their right to negotiate for a decent wage. Like any worker, unions have keepers(bosses) to make or break their contracts. They don’t get something without the approval of the company owner or upper management.Those teacher’s unions are no different. If you have a problem and think you are cheated somehow then go to the management who runs the approval process. Jerking the workers chain and saying they didn’t earn their salary is bogus and more smoke and mirrors.

          • Average Joe

            I don’t recall mentioning the Koch Brothers….and quite frankly…I could care less what anyone else has or doesn’t have….I’m not much of a material person….my life is good,my home is paid for, as are my two cars and a motorcycle…my bills are…electric and cable… I am happy, I eat well enough and I am good great health for my age… and that…my friend is all that really matters to me. You on the other hand seem to be worried about what everyone else has… that you don’t…that’s why you keep bringing up the Koch brothers… along with too rich for their own good corporations etc……

            A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • Average Joe

            BTW….better pension plan than me?….I am retired….at 54 (55 now, I retired last year)….because I was conservative and frugal in my dealings…..I made my own pension plan…sorry for your bad luck…

          • eddie47d

            For someone so upset with union folks I would say you have a wee bit of jealousy lurking under that noggin of yours.

      • ssgmike

        Yeah, but he said “Compulsory Dues” meaning you do not have a choice, that is not freedom and you get NO VOTE on how it is spent. All the other organizations you mentioned get dues by membership drives and people VOLUNTEER to join and pay dues to be a member. I am all for unions as long as there is choice, this compulsory dues crap has to go. We have the Chicago mafia in the White House right now, he spoke up faster for WI than he did in an International Crisis in the Middle East and they (the Libyan Rebels) are asking for G.W. Bush for some help because our limp duck pres is a wuss along with Hillary, who does have more Balls, but lost them when she became a secretary.

        I bet they did not even get permits to be in front of a federal building to protest which is usually the case of course that depends on the state.

        Keep driving Non-union, find non-union jobs, let’s dry the union/democrat teet up and see if they can get anyone elected after that.

        Keep your firing line clear, your weapon downrange, Lock and Load one 30 round magazine, watch your lanes, FIRE……

        Peace through Superior Firepower.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        March 8, 2011 at 9:46 am
        I hate to burst your bubble Delbert….
        Not belonging is your choice but it sounds like you want the same benefits without having to pay for it.

        ________________________________________________________________

        Maybe he just wants the right to work, like an American in America, without being told when where or how by a bunch of lazy communist,
        work to rule parasites? maybe…

  • http://Safari John Flath

    Why is there a NEWS BLACKOUT on Ohio?
    The Unions have stated very clearly that the new strike law is illegal and cannot be enforced.
    The Police have stated it is irrelevant and not enforceable.
    Ohio is now preparing for massive statewide strikes that will completely shut down the entire state.
    They said, the only person who will be arrested is the governor for the crime he committed in re=moving
    two Republican Rep’s. In other words. they committed fraud.

    • Mick

      John Flath says:
      March 8, 2011 at 7:40 am
      Why is there a NEWS BLACKOUT on Ohio?
      The Unions have stated very clearly that the new strike law is illegal and cannot be enforced.
      The Police have stated it is irrelevant and not enforceable.
      Ohio is now preparing for massive statewide strikes that will completely shut down the entire state.
      They said, the only person who will be arrested is the governor for the crime he committed in re=moving
      two Republican Rep’s. In other words. they committed fraud.
      ************************
      John Flath, you really do have a problem
      (The Unions have stated very clearly that the new strike law is illegal and cannot be enforced.)
      Helloo…Who in the hell dies and made them God ??
      I pass time to change many laws so organizations like the UNIONS won’t be able to distort them……..

      • JC

        John is one of the “short bus” crowd.

  • TIME

    Double standards, the MEDIA, oh my ~ say its not so!

    • libertytrain

      whatever happened to real factual news – perhaps it never existed – but I thought it did for a little while when I was a kid and they taught us in school about yellow journalism…remember things seemed to take a bigger slant in the early 60′s and then escalated during the Vietnam time-frame. And then we were sunk.

      • eddie47d

        Oh,Boo Ho; The left complains that the right is unfair and the right complains that the left is unfair.Each side has their own cameras and show the same thing yet come up with a different interpretations. What a dog and pony show!

        • libertytrain

          I don’t know what your point is, but my point is it would be nice to just see news, actual real news.

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            Only $9.99 > Hurry while supp-lies last!

          • eddie47d

            Libertytrain;Maybe it’s time to get back to the main stream media news instead of MSNBC or Fox. Remember not all news shows are news, only commentary. They can distort things real quick.

          • eddie47d

            Time; You better hang on to your millions for you will never make it at Comedy Central. I will give you a c+ for effort.

          • independant thinker

            Excellent post Time. I give you an A.

          • libertytrain

            Ed – have you looked at the alphabets of news in the last 30 years or so? Tom Brokaw crushed my heart in the early 90′s when he intentionally slanted and lied about something regarding immigration and the million dollar visa’s and since I was working on a project intensely involving same,I was stunned into a new world alertness that these folks, whom I worshiped and adored as fine journalists were lying, and if they lied on that issue what else were they lying about.
            And TIME – do you know if I get two for $9.99; is shipping included or does Eddie charge separately for shipping, and if there are two will I be billed for two separate shipping charges.

          • Average Joe

            You get two for 9.99 plus S&H….but don’t bother…I know someone that bought it…300 blank pages…and no autograghs! On the cover it said (in little tiny letters), “Just immagine what’s inside”….

            It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry ‘I could have thought of that’ is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn’t, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too.
            Douglas Adams

          • libertytrain

            :) :) :)

          • JeffH

            TIME & Average Joe, your comments are priceless.

          • eddie47d

            Time said nothing of relevance so I guess Jeff is impressed rather easily or is that gullible?

          • Thamera

            Eddie: It’s hard to follow logic when you don’t have any Eddie. Maybe you should try again.

          • eddie47d

            Okay Thamera tell me what was relevant in Times’ comment. You are still an empty skirt running your mouth.

          • Average Joe

            psst….don’t tell eddie…..we’re making fun of him…and he doesn’t get it….shhhhh…..

          • TIME

            Joe,

            You said a mega mouth full.
            How bloody sad is that EdwardO can’t even get being wound up.
            LMAO

          • libertytrain

            Joe – about that quote. Reminded me of Emerson saying something pretty similar in “Self-Reliance” -

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–Looks like the farmers are going to be in Madison on Saturday–over 1,000 tractors. As I said before, this is not over, not by any means.

          • Average Joe

            libertytrain says:

            I like using the D.Adams quotes …..because the libs don’t get it (gotta love British humor)….if I said…”thank you for stating the obvious”….they might actually understand…and that would just take all of the fun out of it…I love that “deer in the headlights” look they give me…when I say something like that…Huh?….splat!

            The liberal creed:
            I don’t believe it. Prove it to me and I still won’t believe it.
            Douglas Adams

          • eddie47d

            Intelligent Time tries to be so cute. You could just pinch his cheeks. NOT!

          • libertytrain

            I did have to look at this Farm Tractor event and who knew the Farmer’s had a union? http://www.wisconsinfarmersunion.com/ and apparently they are “in charge” of this event. Interesting Facebook page that really actually was interesting. As of about 8 am Eastern Time today 50 tractors are scheduled to be at the event. I think the cost of gas will probably not help.

          • libertytrain

            Here’s a post on the Facebook page gathering the tractors and farmers together for the event:
            “Tractors… in masses, especially… are sexy! I’m paying $2.14 for every tractor tire mark on Sarah Palin’s face… C’mon Wisco, make that money! Send me the invoice”

            Is there some event planned for tractor’s to drive over her face? Hmmm. Sounds so friendly.

  • Pilgrim

    Sadly we are beating a dead horse. The MSM is what it is, fabricators of the news, not journalists or reporters. They have become “propaganda whores.” No one watches, because they are un believable.

    • eddie47d

      Are we confusing regular News with talk show news? There is plenty of distortion on all talk shows whether on Fox or MSNBC. There will always be a certain political slant, let’s say with CNN vs FOX yet they both have cameras pointed at the same subject. They both show the bombings in Libya and say pretty much the same thing. So maybe as individuals we interpret the same thing differently even though we all see the same thing. I guess that is why we all have opinions.

  • http://personalliberity.com Don C

    Teachers, public workers. Their is no gravy left on the gravy train. All we should being now is drill baby drill.

    • bob wire

      I don’t know about that 119 million dollars buy a lot of gravy for someone.

  • Moonsi

    We have a two parties with one system. Not matter who you gets in there, it is the same. Don’t be distracted by all these noises. Wisconsin is broke just like the whole USDA. It was set up that way. Walker is also a pawn to be used.

    We need to prepare for the worst, and keep our heart close to God’s wisdom and truth and strength.

  • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

    Please Americans come to the aide of a brave Governor-Scott Walker-this GOVERNOR is standing up for our rights,while the Dems. run and hide.This should tell you something.Wake up please!
    He is going againest a power house that could be dangerest.Our great black hope has sided with the Union crooks.The time to stop them is now,Before the lying President makes a new exe.order that you can’t go againest the Unions with out the President Permission.
    Hope we don’t ever have a Civil War.STAND READY-To fight for our country and We The People.Keep your power dry and Lock and Load.This is one of the most corrupt President and Congress I have ever seen.Get rid of the UNITED NATIONS and the FEDERAL RESERVE. Thats a Start!

    • Jovianus

      OK Preston…nice you agree with the article about MSM showing TPers acking guns, being rude, inciting cioence. And there you are…inciting rebellion and advcating packing and storage of guns and ammo in an uprising against America. Go home, keep the curtains drawn…and don’t come out of your hole until you can have a civil discourse without threatening or advocating violence against the American people and the Untied States of America.

      All the claims about not being violent etc in the TP movement…makes one wonder why it takes a Moderate to stand you down.

      • Cribster

        Instigating not going well for you today J?

        • Jovianus

          Not instigating…just stating fact. Funny how when one corrects with the actual and real facts and figures, if they’re not a wacked right winger it’s called ‘instigating’ … demial of reality I guess…

          • Average Joe

            Jovianus says:

            What “facts” are you referring too?…you haven’t posted any “facts”…
            Simply putting your “opinions” on display here…does NOT make them facts…and so far all you have posted…is your opinion….nice try though at skirtting issues…. Duck Dodger…..

            It’s an indulgence to sit in a room and discuss your beliefs as if they were a juicy piece of gossip.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • Jovianus

            AJ..other than proving youhave access to a quote site..have you evr read any of the sources for those quotes? And if you disagree with anything i write…go ahead and be specific about it rather than spout dribble about nonsensical mutterings you’re becoming known for.

          • Average Joe

            Jovianus,
            Actually, I own and have read every single one of Heinleins’ works (several are first editions from the 40′s and 50′s)…I also have them as audio files…as well as everything written by Douglas Adams….The quotes are amongst my favorites and usually have some relevance to my posts….notice that I said usually…sometimes it’s just for the sake of wit and sometimes it’s to show the ignorance of the person that I am responding too.
            I also like to study law in my spare time and audit law courses at Stetson Law School in the Sarasota, Florida area…they say “ignorance of the law is no excuse”…and they mean it.( I have no intention of becomming a lawyer….I just prefer to know the rules of any game I play…before playing).
            Before I retired, I owned my own Land Surveying Company, which employed 4 three man crews plus four office workers (Secretary, and 3 CAD operators).
            In 2006, I saw what was comming in the housing market and had a firm offer for my business… so I sold out and went to work for the company that bought me out ( I could have retired then, but chose to stick around and help the new owners set up shop). Anything else you feel the need to know about me?

      • Jovianus

        Apologies for the mis-spellings etc. Did that one on the Blackberry and thumbs are bigger than the keys….

        • lkar

          Or sticky from the milk duds

          • Jovianus

            Actually..that would be chocolate covered malt balls…

  • Alex

    Do you people ever obtain your “news” from any source other than Fright Wing liars like Flush Limpjaw or the Faux Noose gaspipe?

    Scott Walker himself, in the taped conversation with the fake “Koch brother”, talks about seeding the crowd with fraudulent “protesters” to make them look bad.

    Do any of you know that the people of Wisconsin, of all political stripes, overwhelming support the workers—-by over sixty per cent?

    Do any of you know that the Tee Party bus tour in support of Governor Walker drew embarrassingly small crowds of sheeple?

    This is another case of the newly-crowned Rethuglican fear-mongers vastly over-estimating their “mandate” (wow—’mandate’—-no wonder so many Family Value Reich Wingers get caught in the Men’s Room with their pants down—they thought they had a ‘man date’). Anyway, the Amerikan workers are beginning to see through the smoke screen of “Terror” sent up by the Faux Noose crowd, underwriting their upward redistribution of wealth under false-flag “patriotism”. Workers who have seen their jobs shipped out of the country with the approval of the US Chamber of Commerce and the Roberts Kangaroo Court, which views the very corporations responsible for huge job LOSSES as cashcows without limits for political donations, may finally wise up and take control of their futures by taking control of their jobs.

    Again, folks—by all polls by all organizations taken across the wildly-schizophrenic Amerikan demographic—Scott Walker and the Tea Gaggers have made another bonehead play, like Sharon Angle or Christine O’Donnell or Joe What’s-his-face in Alaska. Smooth.

    So please, nominate Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich or Haley’s Barber—as big a disappointment as Barack Hussein Obama has been to those of us on the Left—he is still heads above any of the Crybaby Party’s hopeful losers. Michelle Bachman?!? Are you people for real?

    • Rob D

      Mr. cALEXous,
      How about making your point without all demonstrous name calling, you might be better recieved. Such simple minded reactions to the truth.
      The 60% however is true to left wingers, a statement born from the mainstream medias interpretation of the real facts. The fact is that a majority of AMERICANS bleieve the unions time and place is far gone.

      Have a nice day!

    • James

      Alex, When teachers control schools, schools stagnate – 30% of school childen don’t graduate from High School. When unions control factories, production stagnates – like East Germany did after WW II. When the federal government controls everything, that’s communism.

      • eddie47d

        James;Who do you you want to control the schools,the Department of Education? It would be nice if the teachers had actual control over what gets taught instead of bureaucrats. When it comes to unions they are fighting the same bureaucratic higher ups (management and government) that you fight against. You need to stop making enemies out of ordinary workers in this country. The problems out there can be solved so hang in there.

        • Average Joe

          Actually eddie, I would prefer that education was left to the local municipalities and get the Federal Government out of the equation…one size does not fit all when it comes to education.
          As for the Unions fighting the same big Gov that we are….BS….they are in bed with those people that “we” are fighting.

          From the link I posted above:

          In the private sector, management has a strong incentive to negotiate pragmatically — the need to maintain a profit to stay in business. Customers have a choice of buying cheaper products and services elsewhere.

          In the public sector, such restraints disappear. The employees — through their campaign contributions and organizing activities — often get to determine who sits on the other side of the negotiating table from them.

          When politicians who owe their power to public employees conduct so-called negotiations with them, taxpayers are left utterly defenseless. Since government is a monopoly, citizens are not permitted to shop around for another one that negotiates better contracts and provides cheaper services. No, citizens must simply pay, under the threat of arrest and imprisonment.

          Thus, politicians can give away the store, bank on the unions’ support in the next election, and hand the bill over to someone else: You.

          We’ve seen the results of such one-sided “negotiations” — early retirements, pensions with annual cost-of-living boosts, free health care for life. And while the politicians retain their power, and public-employee-union bosses get fat, private-sector workers find their quality of life steadily eroded by higher taxes that do little to provide basic services or help the neediest.

          It’s a perfect circle: Public-employee unions get increasing amounts of money from the taxpayers, and use it to defeat the taxpayers’ interests.

          Well, not exactly perfect. The problem is that the victims eventually run out of money.

          • Thamera

            Average Joe: Couldn’t of said it any better!

          • Average Joe

            Thanks and welcome to the forum!

      • JeffH

        Does anybody realize that two thirds of all 8th graders in Wisconsin cannot read proficiently. Nationwide, only 30% of 8th graders earned a rating of proficient or better in reading skills.

        When I was in school, teachers made sure we learned our lessons or they were contacting our parents…which wasn’t a good thing(actually it was)because we new we were in trouble and would be “forced” to keep our noses in the books and bring the grades up or their would be consequences to deal with at home. Unfortunately, it’s pretty common for parents to defend their children and chastise the schools. Because of government interference, the schools and teachers have no leverage to teach proficiently. With very few exceptions around the country, teachers are just earning a living and teaching has been removed from the equation. The teachers unions should be spending their resources on putting out real teachers instead of spending the teachers union dues for political leverage.
        http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2011/02/22/two-thirds-of-wi-8th-graders-cant-read-proficiently/

    • EX Wisconsonite

      Alex. It sounds like you are in a fantasy world with the rest of the drug dreamers on the left, if you believe Obama and his crowd care one iota for you and your Liberal jargon, I feel sorry for you and the rest of the Left wing cry babies who now lost there leaders. You might have a big surprise in November 2012 just like you did in Nov 2010, with the likes of Michelle Bachmann, Chris Christy, John Kassich and SCOTT WALKER getting the MAJORITY VOTE for some reason. Surely it was not a majority vote like the one OBAMA got in 2008 that got him elected, was it??? Winners have the right to do it their way, and it is time that MAJORITY rules resulting in this democratic means of electing our governing personnel. IF YOUR DREAM comes true, you can finish your Communist Socialist Dictatorial takeover of the USA in 2012, We the People of the USA who want our freedom will go along with the Majority rule as our Constitution provides. However YOU MUST WIN FAIRLY and no more dead persons voting, voter intimidation, and UNION purchased votes to re-elect the next President. Be assured with a legal and fair election the Silent Majority of this great FREE REPUBLIC will speak loud again in 2012.

      • Average Joe

        Bravo, well spoken!

      • bob wire

        “Winners have the right to do it their way, and it is time that MAJORITY rules resulting in this democratic means of electing our governing personnel. IF YOUR DREAM comes true, you can finish your Communist Socialist Dictatorial takeover of the USA in 2012, We the People of the USA who want our freedom will go along with the Majority rule as our Constitution provides. ”

        wOw! What a sentence! That’s the same thing we were telling you but you’d have no part of it! The GOP and their Tea Part supporters have spent 2 years blocking a majority in any way possible.

        So now the shoes is on the other foot. So? ~ How do you like it?

        like they say, ~ don’t start none and there won’t be none.

        But if you whip it out make sure it works because you could get beat up with it.

  • newspooner

    A correction to the article is needed. The Obama/Hitler/moustache posters are generally not made and displayed by a “fringe group” connected with Tea Parties. Those posters are almost always made and displayed by Communists who are part of the Larouche Democrats, not people who have any connection, even fringe, to “conservatives” and other legitimate protesters. They are funded by the Big Government Establishment and set up to promote a few relatively “conservative” ideas so that the socialists and other big government advocates can point to them and discredit any “conservatives” who promote any somewhat similar ideas.

    • Jovianus

      LOL…now THAT is funny ! Egads…the excuses the TPers can come up with. “It’s not our fault! it’s the Commies infiltraing our groups !” So all the ones yelling and being belligerent last year were …all left wngers posing as TPers? Wow…

      • JeffH

        “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

        “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

        “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

      • newspooner

        Some people listen to NPR (National Propaganda Radio) too much.

  • Rusticus

    The right wing media did not cover the poster that

    “compared Walker to Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Hosni Mubarak. In addition, one protester drew a crosshair symbol over a picture of Walker accompanied by the caption “Don’t Retreat, Reload;”

    because they didn’t exist. Of course as a right winger, you want to whine and play the victim while you support the fascist take over of this country.

    Some right wingers were able to infiltrate the demonstrations and pull out posters like the ones you describe but demonstrators destroyed these obnoxious posters as soon as they appearred. Americans are beginning to understand and plan for the slime balls on the right.

    • Rob D

      Sounds like you a taking a page page from the Tea Party in your explanation of the signs. All this sounds familiar eh. I do not believe there were infiltrators just radical elements of the left wing party that has always been there. The tea party has a credo and people with signs such as the one claimed were removed and those people sent packing, while the left wing just stands back and allow such people to make them look bad

    • JeffH

      Rusticus, that was a very “weak” attempt at a little “reverse” psychology. LMAO!

    • Average Joe

      Rusticus,

      What color is the sky in your world? I only ask because you’re out there beyond the ozone……the thin air is affecting your thought proccesses…. Many of us have seen those (as you put it)…”non-existent” signs…If you tell yourself enough times though…maybe “you’ll” start to believe yourself…the rest of us….ain’t buying it though.

      • Jovianus

        Aj..”many of us have seen those “non-existent’ signs. OK…when were you in Wisconsin to ‘see” those signs? Did you see the palm trees as well?

        • Average Joe

          Jovialanus,

          Only the painted ones…were there other palms as well? (btw, they are called “Palms”…not palm trees).I guess by your reasoning …if I wasn’t in Wisconsin…I couldn’t have possibly seen the signs…..there is this wonderful thing called the internet…that allows a person to watch videos from all over the world (will wonders never cease?)…including….yup…you guessed it….Wisconsin…stop being a dimwit….all you are doing now…is trolling….and wasting other peoples’ time having to read your drivel.

  • DavidL
    • Average Joe

      Wow, I just love all of these hopey, feely left wingers…telling their stories about the “good old days’……it almost makes me…. laugh…..because if it weren’t for these same people that are telling the story…we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in. As for his talking points…he was referring to Private Enterprise…with a union on strike…and not to any Public Employee Union…..Maybe you got all teary eyed listening to his “quaint” little story…but I am still unmoved and feel no pity for the poor “woe is me” public union employees….sorry…you failed to pull at my heartstrings….better luck next time.

  • jopa

    Jovianus;Your first post at the top of the page is excellent and it hits the subject head on and tells it like it is.Great job.

  • 45caliber

    Reminds me of a political cartoon I saw this morning (Mallard):

    A liberal professor was talking to a college class of prospective journalists. “You should always be careful when covering a story to give the terrible hatemongering ravinous Teapartiers the same attention as the gentle calm loving union protestors in Wisconsin”.

    • eddie47d

      Mallard and Malkin (the M&M twins) are professional liberal bashers.I wouldn’t expect anything else.

      • JeffH

        It’s only natural that you would dislike someone that is constantly exposing the liars and fakers. The truth will set you free!

        • Average Joe

          Jeff…I don’t think he’ll ever be free then…just an observation.

      • JeffH

        “The time comes upon every public man when it is best for him to keep his lips closed.”
        Honest Abe

        • eddie47d

          Then it is time for you to bite your lip really hard.

          • JeffH

            If space is a vacuum, who changes the bags?

          • eddie47d

            I honestly don’t know how to change an old bag like you. I think you blew a hole and it can’t be fixed.

    • bob wire

      Well, there is two sides to every argument. Both thinking they hold a just and fair position.

      The ending of any results due impart to quality of salesmanship.

  • dave

    Once they crush all the Unions. The blue collar tea parties will be begging for them back.
    I have been on both sides of the fray,and having the power of union to help cut out the back door deals and the company pitting the workers against each other. Rat work is something I never want to go back to! IBEW Nov. 21, 1891

    • Average Joe

      dave,
      They are not trying to “crush the unions”….just the public service unions…even FDR knew better than to allow public service unions… and he is one of the liberals’ biggest hero’s hero’s….thanks to the New (ponzi scheme) Deal.

      • Thamera

        Average Joe: How does that fact get lost on these people? Good Grief! They really must live with their heads in a hole. Well said, I couldn’t agree with you more.

        • Average Joe

          I think it is that genetic defect…the liberal gene…..Which btw, was scientifically proven to exist…there really IS a liberal gene.
          Google it….

    • newspooner

      Unions are great, as long as they are voluntary, do not become oversized organizations existing to provide easy big income for fatcats, and do not spend members’ money trying to promote unlimited government and its socialist candidates.

  • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

    to jovianus–Apparently you did not read my article correct.”Hope we never have a Civil War”Never is a very long time.You must think this Country is perfect and the goverment is doing a great job(As long as we keep your union).I think it’s time to take some R&R–That’s Ron Paul and Rand Paul.May GOD KEEP YOU AND BLESS YOU.
    Viet. Vet. US NAVY

  • http://com i41

    edee, hate to burst you airy fairy bubble, organizations can chargeand do what ever they want. But a worthless damn union is not the management and are hired to do a job. Not pick and choose who they will unload. Delbert is telling the facts about paying graft money, somer you blanket rear idoits think is normal, of course from you generational horse theiving behavior, being a union memeber fits right in. The unions cherry picking who got loaded or unloaded, is stealing from the comp[any they are supposedly are working for. Delbert, when i had to load out of a plant flat bed loads, I carried a pocket tape recorder to record the conversations, after at least 4 load outs over a year, I turned in the recordings to a county State Attoney and then visited with the State AG. That will cure the extorsion and the Ricco act can be used to straighten the crap out. There aren’t that many states where both parties need to be told they are being recorded. In states where you must warns people that they are being monitored and recorded, usually it will take care of states where both parties need to be informed. In job sites you are free to record and monitor when companies post that your are being monitored and recorded. Just shows how dumbocraps and their union thugs steal from taxpayers and companies who hire them, must be modelled after the mafia mobsters from Chitcago. Americans are always happy to stop corruption and unions getting tin canned is a happy day and makes whimps grow up and become adults.

  • chuckb

    the protesters showing their marxist signs and the communist salute are not bussed in, that’s your everyday public service union member. the polls the media have been taking are mostly from the protesters themselves and you can see many of them disagree, but, can’t back out.
    the unions must go along with the communist agitators involved with the union.
    make the public sector employment free again and send the unions down the road, force the teachers to improve or be replaced. force the state worker to quit leaning on the shovel handle and produce something even if it’s just a days work for their pay.

  • JeffH

    Saturday, February 26, 2011
    50-State Union Protest Falls Far Short Of Predicted Turnout.
    Protests in support of Wisconsin public sector unions were organized by Soros MoveOn.org and labor unions today.

    Promoters were predicting a million-person turnout nationwide. But reports as of 7:00 E.S.T. today make clear that other than in Madison, Wisconsin, the crowds were sparse.

    In Washington, D.C., only about 500 people showed up. In Columbus, OH,only “several thousand” people protested.

    Other head counts, based on news reports, include: Boston (1000), Portsmouth, N.H. (few hundred), Augusta, ME (small crowd), New York City (“several thousand”), Chicago (1000), Miami (100), Austin (several hundred), Chicago (1000); Lansing, MI (2000), Nashville (hundreds), Los Angeles (2000), Richmond, VA (300), Denver (1000); Frankfurt, KY (several hundred), Jefferson City, MO (several hundred), Harrisburg, PA (several hundred).

    While I don’t have a complete count, based on these numbers from some major cities and labor states, total protesters nationwide (excluding Madison) likely totaled under 100,000 combined.

    The 50-state protest was a failure, plain and simple, although the images from Madison may create the false impression of massive nationwide protests.

    As predicted, the mainstream media is painting the nationwide protest as a success. The headlines talk about protests around the country, but the stories talk almost entirely about Madison, giving the false impression that there was widespread support around the country.

    Yet the lame stream media continues to report the large crowds and the success of the 50 state union protests despite Soros MoveOn.org putting the number (outside Madison) at only 50,000.
    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/02/50-state-union-protest-falls-far-short.html

  • jopa

    Yup those were crosshairs in Palin’s political ad and peolple died in shootings afterwards.If they were related the jury is still out on that one, but those palm trees in Wisconsin on HMMM I forget the network they were on but that was hilarious.Oh now I remember it was Fox not so newws.

  • NT

    There are no employee protections presented by the unions in China. The unions are ran by the government. Workers receive 40 hours pay for working 60 hours. The Republican proposed changes in unions will match the government’s union management in China. Why are you yelling just the opposite? With seven years working in China demonstrates that the Republicans are really not telling the truth. Basic union rights to organize are probably supporfted by the present national laws that the state changes will not be upheld. There has been too many politician dealings that backfired, come to hurt the state governments. Should the taxpayers be responsible for the past deals of the politicians, both Democrates and Republicans. Adjustments need to be made to correct the bad deals of the past, just like the need to retreave the past theft of financiers and bankers, mostly REPUBLICANS.

    • Thamera

      NT: get your facts straight and furthermore, what makes it okay for a public union to demand anything from the taxpayer? There is a difference between public unions and private ones!!!! Why should my hardworking family be required to pay for the healthcare and pensions of my child’s teacher?

  • jopa

    Jeffh Update;Satellite images from NASA just came in and the crowds in Madison were estimated at well over 750,000.WOW who would have thought so.They also believe the palms to be extinct in Wisconsin now.

    • JeffH

      Sometimes the world seems like a big hole. You spend all your life shouting down it and all you hear are echoes of some idiot yelling nonsense down a hole.
      Adam Duritz

      • bob wire

        Some people enjoy their echo. It’s fun for a few seconds but the entertainment value is short lived.

        Life is more like a mirror, want you elect to see, is your own image.

        The perception is from “I”

      • Average Joe

        The universe never did make sense to me…I suspect that it was built on government contract….
        Robert A. Heinlein

  • chuckb

    jopa, only you would believe those so called satellite photos from nasa, they made a mistake the photo shown was from sarah palins last speech. the palm trees were placed there for effect. they knew fox news was taking film shots and they placed the plants there to trip them up.
    the guy running nasa is just like barry so be careful in what you believe.

  • bob wire

    Well? ~ cry’s of foul will only become more common as these nasty, mean old liberals mount their counter attack on the Honorable Walker and his illustrious crew of the majority.

    It will be the Republican’s that will be circling their wagons and covering their backsides before it’s over.

    It’s sure been entertaining!

    Like I offered earlier, Walker doesn’t hold the cards to win all the tricks. He could easily go set and suffer a nasty defeat.

    A bright idea but poorly planed and executed, he depended on the opposition to just lay down. A more able, experienced politician could have got much the same results without all this Drama.

    of course , it’s not over yet, but opposition forces are still building, recalls are in process and some State Senators are looking over their shoulder to see who’s footsteps they hear.

  • JeffH

    James O’Keefe strikes again. This will most certainly make all of the liberals happy. Even though the tape is clearly edited, what can’t be edited are the words of NPR’s SVP of fundraising Ron Schiller.

    Here’s what this is what’s going to get him, and NPR, into trouble. And it has nothing really to do with Muslims. Apropos of something the video doesn’t make clear Schiller has this to say about the Tea Party:

    The current Republican party, particularly the Tea Party is fanatically involved in people’s personal lives and very fundamental Christian. I wouldn’t even call it Christian.It’s this weird evangelical kind of movement.

    [...]

    The current Republican party is not even the really the Republican party — it’s been hijacked by this group — that is — [overdub] — exactly and not just Islamaphobic but xenophobic, and they are, they believe in sort of white, middle America, gun-toting, I mean it’s scary. They’re seriously, racist, racist people.

    So that’s not good. Actually it’s very bad and not only because it feeds into every stereotype the right has about NPR (and liberal media in general) and leaves so little grey area that NPR will have a tough time turning the focus of the story to the fact much of this video is a thinly veiled attempt to appeal to anti-Muslim sentiment.

    NPR’s response to the video:
    “We are appalled by the comments made by Ron Schiller in the video, which are contrary to what NPR stands for.”

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/npr-james-okeefe-vide-tea-party-racist-2011-3#ixzz1G2bL61Ki
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/npr-james-okeefe-vide-tea-party-racist-2011-3#ixzz1G2b1XkcM

  • chuckb

    bob w, you are jumping to media conclusions. walker will win. this is a big deal for the unions their house of cards is falling and it’s about time. they are throwing everything they have and the nation is seeing whose behind them.
    about the recalls, if i were a democrat i think i would change parties while they have a chance, when this is over the backlash will be tremendous. this will resonate through out the country and we will finally break the stranglehold these communist infiltrated organizations have had on the country.unions don’t belong in public service.

    • bob wire

      Well Chuckb, we’ll see won’t we?

      To win this hand , I fear you will lose the general.

      To lose this hand, the general will be hard fought.

      Either way, I truly believe the American people will feel like they caught a glimpse of the wizard behind the curtain. There is no longer question or doubt in their minds. This will be viewed as a class warfare wage against the middle class by special interest and Robber Barron’s with their minions of hanger-ons, foot soldiers, brown noses,boot lickers, yes men, triple dippers, day traders, retirees sitting on a dragon horde and in general the original hijackers of the GOP that has turned it into what we see it to be today.

      That you see it differently or that it’s not you’re intentions will not matter.

      Just as many of you see and speak of the DNC with the greatest of disdain, so too shall you be seen.

      That is what the honorable Walker has set in motion as we see Reagan Democrats coming back home.

      of course, I’ve been wrong before but it’s not looking too good for you at the moment buddy.

  • jopa

    chuckb;Are you being outFoxed again.The people of America 66% and more every day are with the unions and the teachers.The true Commies are the Republicans and every day more and more are leaving that party.

  • jopa

    Jeffh; That was so funny that article about you yelling down a hole, and what did you think when you heard yourself yelling back?You can be so silly at times.

    • JeffH

      “Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.”

      • eddie47d

        Better work on that handicap Jeff. It needs a complete makeover and maybe you could be on one of them there reality shows.

        • JeffH

          How can someone “draw a blank”?

          • eddie47d

            Go and look in a mirror Jeff

          • Thamera

            Ah Eddie, I’ve read enough of your posts to know that your are either deranged, or delusional or both and you just have to get the last word. Feel better? I didn’t think so. LOL

          • JeffH

            Thamera, people like him are called a “last clappers”.

  • Thamera

    Jopa? Seriously? You must live in the “thick of it” because outside of the steps of the capitol of Wisconsin, the majority are NOT in favor of the union or the teachers. I am a teacher and I think that the teachers protesting are PATHETIC at best! A true disgrace to the profession and obviously do not care a wit about the education of their students. What a joke.

    • bob wire

      If you was taking a 3 grand cut, would you feel differently?

      and Fox, is spinning the numbers and bury facts that fails to support a Pro Walker position. Painting the protesters in the most unflattering light, from embellishing to out right lies to fraudulent photos and film clips.

      But you don’t have to believe me, being misinformed can be used to an advantage.

      You take the TEA Party, their tactics and intensity over the last two years and multiply it by a 100 times and that’s what you can expect to happen all across the nation.

      Just hide and watch, wish I could sell tickets!

      • Thamera

        Yes Bob W. I would feel the same, in fact 2 years ago, as a teacher, I did not get paid for 3 months because of an accounting error. We were given the option to “walk” without finishing out the school year. It was tough not getting paid for 3 months but my colleagues and myself stuck it out in the best interest of the students. I do not feel sorry for the teachers picketing and I do not condone their actions. They are being trite and selfish especially since the taxpayer is paying their salary, pensions and health benefits. They should be grateful to have a job and rise above their own self-interests and return to the schools to their chosen professions, which if I recall is considered “public service!” If you are teaching because of the benefits and the pay, then you are teaching for all the wrong reasons!

        • bob wire

          Your thoughts have merit Thamera and worthy consideration. I believe there are many that would agree with you.

          If I understand it correctly, these teacher have agree to wage and pension concession many day ago. Willing to bite the bullet if you will and do their part.

          It appears there is more at stake here beside just wages and pensions.

          I’ve mixed feeling about this, as I fail to see how teachers and public workers making less will serve me personally as they are my customers. Indirectly I will be hurt by this.

          If they make less, they will therefore pay less in taxes, they will spread less wealth around. I don’t know of any teachers that have off shore accounts or Swiss Bank accounts or that use a staff of CPA or attorney working hiding huge profits. Shopping trip to Europe might not be out of the question but it’s safe to consider they rare.

          It’s my preference to see 130 million dollar a year in their hand as opposed to some Robber Baron that enjoys sweetheart government deal and concession and takes his money out of the country or hide his profits and claims he’s broke.

          But in the same breath, this pay disparity between the public and private sector is somewhat annoying. The private sector has had to accept there is just so many good jobs around and if you can’t find one, you are left to make one, which I have done.

          My experience is, school districts don’t wish to employ the working poor. Why would they? The same goes of city and county workers. Private sector job start pay varies thought out the nation but here in Texas it’s around $14,000. per year. Almost half that amount could easily be spent by a fashionable cloths horse with an eye for quality and flare.

          While I’ve heard of these teacher that are bring down 75 grand a year, I’ve yet to know of one, have you? It’s my understanding start out pay is something around 25,500. per year and I assume that is before taxes. I feel that is not enough to pay a teacher without some serious perks.

          Unions for public employees? ~ that’s what is being discussed

          • Thamera

            Thank you Bob and yes I am new to these forums. And yes, we are talking about public unions which I do not agree with because it requires that money is transferred from one hard working family to pay for another working family and too often the families that are paying these salaries and pensions and health care plans do not have pensions and health care plans themselves. I have been on both sides of the spectrum. I understand your points about the tax base and they are valid; however, we are talking about shortfalls in revenue from taxes across the board. In that case, changes need to be made in order to mitigate the least possible amount of pain for everyone. For one group, a/k/a public employees to scream and shout and carry on like they are doing, in my opinion, is shameful, divisive and not doing anyone any good, least of all, their students.

    • http://deleted Claire

      Check out America’s standings in education with the other countries–doesn’t look very good for the teachers/education system in the U.S.

  • chuckb

    jopa, that percentage figure you keep presenting is a poll the media took of union members. why would thinking people support the outrageous rights union members have in public service, teachers especially. their time in the sun is over the clock is ticking and these feather bedders will have to go back to earning a living.

  • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

    Wonder what the poor and homeless are doing tonight? GOD BLESS THEM.
    The new world order ,the puppet-masters will call the Shots.I see no differnce in the last Two Presidents–one a Rep. and now a dem.
    How do you’ll feel about this?

    • bob wire

      I feel as if the job is too big for one man. I do what I can and let the pieces fall where they may.

      There will always be poor, down trodden and hungry. ~ It’s mental illness, it’s people with no coping skills, it’s a host of reason why.

      I’ve taken people in before, several times, there is a good reason they live under bridges, for some , that’s the best place for them.

      I don’t feel guilty, I don’t feel to blame. I don’t blame my government

      but I don’t ignore their presence, I support all church work with my spirit and some with my money.

      What else is there to say?

      • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

        WELL SAID– bob wire–you are right we can’t save all the poor.The churches are there best hope.You sound like a kind person who gives what he can afford.Some people just don’t want your help-they know the streets and the street people.GOD BLESS AMERICA-AND YOU.
        VIET.VET.US NAVY

        • Thamera

          You can’t save the poor because the poor don’t want to be saved! Work with them everyday and you will begin to understand that concept. And good for you Bob W. pat yourself on the back, but you would be wrong and arrogant to think that many people, including the tea party people do the VERY SAME THING ALL THE TIME! What they object to and others like them is the government telling them when to do it and how to do it. Read “The Proper Role of Government” and then decide how horrible the tea party and people like them really are. And yes, mental illness is a huge problem but there are numerous government programs in place and don’t forget these people have families. And I will tell you first hand that the “poor” are very good with their sob stories. They know exactly what to say to get what they want and they know every resource available and how to access those resources. The only problem is that for every story of “I Can’t”, is another story of “I Can.”

          • bob wire

            That’s been much my experience working with them(the down trodden)as well.

            It’s hard lesson to learn and harder to accept.

            It has has my mind free of any guilt.

  • demtorep

    Do like Rhode Island did- Fire them all and make them re-apply to get hired at a rate the taxpayers can afford to pay them.

  • demtorep

    What makes me angry is we have so many hungry and homeless in the USA, But you only see all these actors raising millions for other Countrys?

    • bob wire

      I look forward to seeing Charlie Sheen with a “will work for food” sign.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I am so sick of Charlie Sheen–I don’t call this news– i call it disgusting. MSNBC and Fox both harp on it. Enough. I wouldn’t give Sheen the time of day.

  • demtorep

    Must be nice to retire at 55 with full wages and benefits paid by the tax payers? Oh but do the tax payers get the same?

    • bob wire

      yea that kinda sucks, I’ve got a cousin that had worked for the IRS and doing just that!

      She want raised a Army brat and held a federal job all her working year.

      Every thread of cloths and bite she taken in her whole life was bought with federal money.

      • Thamera

        I tried to follow your post Bob W., I really did, but it sounds like maybe you’ve had one to many because none of your jibberish made any sense.

        • bob wire

          Hm? Well thanks for all your efforts none the less Thamera.

          It happens, this evening my posting fail to stand alone and require the reading of several prior posting. I don’t always craft my posting in such fashion.

          Your handle is new to me, welcome.

  • chuckb

    demtorep, i believe people are starting to wake up and see what is taking place in the public sector. while things were going halfway good they had little interest. now they see how these feather bedders
    have ripped off the taxpayers, it’s no wonder the unions want to keep averting the subject. like salaries, benefits and retirement, wouldn’t everybody like those kind of bennies, however, who is going to afford all the tax, oh, i get it now, tax the rich.
    and few were paying attention to the teachers and what the students learned in the classroom, after all how many bumper stickers have you seen that read “my child is an honor student” some more unionized propaganda material from the unions. the schools have been turned over to multiculturalism and dumbed down, this applies to the teachers too, most of them came out of this public school system.
    teachers are an important part of the security of our country, when they fail our country fails and right now we are at the edge of failure.
    the schools waste their time with such topics as black history, cinco de mayo, and trying to appease the islams. they need to get the kids back to reading, writing an arithmetic. the teachers need to be re=evaluated, not according to union standards. the unions need to be kicked out of the public service,

  • Allan Halbert

    Liberals/Progressive are happy to be “democratic” when it suits them. When voters in California voted on Prop 8, LP’s ignored the clear results, because they “know best” and the voters opinions are somehow not legitimate. So, the vote didn’t matter. When Obama was elected, the LP’s said “We have a mandate to govern!”. And “those who voted otherwise need to support your President and government!” But when Scott Walker was voted in on his stated positions and acts on them, we’re back to “ignore and protest because anyone who disagrees is deluded, we know best, and we want what we want”. With LP’s today, there IS NO LONGER A DEMOCRACY, and no longer a point in elections. There is only whatever they want, a WANTOCRACY!

    • bob wire

      “Liberals/Progressive are happy to be “democratic” when it suits them.”

      what? ~ you mean kinda like the tea party crowd?

      There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

      What is wrong with not liking or disagreeing with what is happening inside your party affiliation ?

      LP’s act out much like yourselves, you quite attacking and maybe they will quit defending.

      I’m a member of the DNC, but I’m not required to agree with everything they say and do. Is that truth too painful to recognize?

      I believe in fighting battles that are winnable and worth the good fight. I do not wish to be in a losing battle, so I find compromise.

      To survive one day without a lost is a victory in it’s self.

      • Denniso

        Allan H…when Obama and the Dems said they had a mandate the Repubs ignored it and fought virtually everything he wanted to do w/ his ‘mandate’. Walker gets elected and he and you expect the Dems to roll over and let him proceed w/ his ‘mandate’? Even though the issue of unions and public employees was not even part of the election. So,Walker can do anything he likes because he was elected,no matter how draconian or unrelated to the election? Dream on…

        • Allan Halbert

          After trashing George Bush for eight years Dems expected support for Obama? I guess here’s no end to it. Obama’s difficulties have come primarily from not being able to lead his own majority and sell his policies to the broader public. The feeling that unions are self-serving has reached an all-time high. They keep telling us public sector workers are more under-rewarded, more noble, and ultimately more important people in our society. This attitude was reflected in Obama’s stimulus and other proposals. It is incredibly arrogant, and it seems the silent majority is not buying it any more. Even Joe Klein of Time Magazine seems to grasp this. Looking at small business alone, there are more than 25 million private small businesses in the U.S. There are now about 15 million total wage and salary union workers. 80% of all new small businesses (150,000 a year) fail within 2 years. It is people there, who strive without guarantees, take more risks, and have the highest productivity within our society that are the most under-appreciated, though they are less likely to complain. That is what is now bubbling to the surface. If union workers don’t like their jobs, they can do what private folks get to do…work elsewhere or for themselves. Union people would say they’d like the rest of us to get “justice” too. But we understand it is unsustainable. I saw as an employer that culled union workers who entered private business generally brought attitude and lots of demands with them. Private sector employees generally will not make that level of demands on those offering opportunities if it jeopardizes an organization. Union mentality crossed that threshhold long ago. It’s all about them. But times are a’changin.

          • Denniso

            All workers have seen their wages stay flat or even go backward when adjusted to real dollars,and now the corporate world wants to do the same to public employers…push their wages and benefits back by 10 years. The reason public employers get a higher degree of security in their jobs is that they give up the possibility of ever becoming rich or even upper class by becoming teachers,firefighters,police and administrators or clerks. If you don’t think that teachers have one of the most difficult jobs there is,w/ pay that only just keeps them able to stay alive to continue to teach,then your not looking at the facts. My guess is that you don’t know any teachers,firefighters,policemen…

          • Thamera

            Denniso: I am a teacher and your statement about teaching has no merit whatsoever. Teaching is hard, I guess, if you don’t like what you are doing. It is a sacrifice but it is also a CHOSEN profession and teachers have all summer to do something else. I have several colleagues who have very comfortable lives and are very happy and make a good deal of extra income over the summer. I would much rather teach than try to climb the “corporate ladder” for example where I could probably make a lot more money. On the flip side, I have also waited tables which is much more demanding than teaching ever was without any job security, steady pay or benefits. In addition, I have brothers and uncles who serve on the police force. I do know what I am talking about.

          • denniso

            I don’t see what you’re arguing about w/ my comment. Do you think teachers are paid too much and the job is too easy? I didn’t say that it is the hardest or worst or least paid job. Try digging ditches for 7 bucks/hr in 100 degree heat, and waiting tables will seem like a dream job. Teachers are entrusted w/ our kids minds and futures…do we want them to be the lowest paid possible w/ no job security so they have to be worried every day about their future?

          • bob wire

            “I don’t see what you’re arguing about w/ my comment. ”

            I fail to follow her and her rebuttal as well Dennis.

            I don’t want to see teachers, firemen and police officers working in a hand to mouth existence that many of us in the private sector seem to do.

            Doing without medical care, walking around with a mouth full of teeth that require attention that we can’t afforded to have done.

            Where there is very, VERY, limited discretionary spending in a household budget to even work with.

            I don’t wish to see teachers and policemen join the ranks of the working poor.

            She is talking as if she knows the plight of the working poor, but if she is , her memory had faded.

            Raising children with little money was a trick! Many times that daily $2.69 for a gallon of milk was hard to find as I remember it.

            and evidently still is as today Walmart, runs specials on a gallon of milk for $1.50 just to entice people into their stores. WoW! what a bargain, that would have sure helped me back when I was raising children.

            400 Americans in this country today control over 60% of the wealth.

            And we are suppose to think this is because they work harder and entitled?

            Is that what the GOP and the Tea Party is trying to tell us?

            So it’s the middle classes that needs to make concessions as they “need” and use the government more then the wealthy do?

            That if it wasn’t for the middle classes and the unemployed and the poor, there be no need for government at all? Is that what I’m hearing?

            I’m just not accepting that to be so!

            Per person, there is more at stake here for the wealthy, why else would they fight so hard?

          • Denniso

            You’re right! I saw that stat of the richest 400 Americans having more wealth than the lower 155 million Americans and I was stunned! I had never seen that and couldn’t quite believe it. How could that be possible? 400 people with more than 155,000,000 Americans! The lower and middle class have been losing wealth and buying power ever since Reagan began his ‘trickle down’ economic policy, but it has become ridiculous and unconscionable! Our country is looking more like aristocratic Russia and France,before their revolutions.
            And the hard right think we need a revolution to put Blacks back in their place and to keep the rich $ flow of guns continuing. Wrong revolution!

  • jopa

    Thamera;So you are a teacher,well I never nor has anyone else said all teachers are good.Perhaps if you went on to further your education you could feel a little better about yourself and have a little self respect and earn the respect of the teachers in the unions.Then you may not be so harsh of a critic on your fellow co-workers.This is so crazy all the people on this site going after our police ,firemen, teachers or anyone that helped make America great.The worst part may be wanting all the tax breaks for the millionaires and billionaires.Don’t you realize that money came out of your pockets with exaggerated bank fees, interest and overcharges.Oh I know they earned it the hard way with the stroke of a pen but today it’s only a mouse click away to a fortune from the fools.

    • Thamera

      jopa: further my education? feel better about myself? You sir, are a riot. Don’t you realize that the money to pay for teachers, the fire department and the police come out of the taxpayers pocket? And btw, they are not the cornerstone of America. Every hard working American is the foundation of America, it is not limited to the people in our “service” ie: police, teachers etc. That is where you and others like you are so “off base” thinking it is okay to take from one hard working American who probably doesn’t even have a pension to fund the pensions, salary and health care of another group of Americans. You sir, are divisive and btw I am working on my master’s degree and have the greatest respect among my students, parents and colleagues alike.

    • Thamera

      Jopa: P.S. I have no interest in gaining the “respect of union teachers” lol, we do not share the same ideology and they are by far, in my experience some of the laziest of the bunch and should have retired years ago or never enjoined the profession to begin with. Spend some time in your local school before spouting off about an issue you obviously are completely ignorant about. It would not hurt as well for you to educate yourself about unions, who they are and what they really stand for. It is a ruse to think they support all hard-working, middle class Americans. They do not, and I would not give them one cent to join them nor would any of my esteemed colleagues.

  • http://deleted Claire

    JeffH– I have been hearing dsome nasty things about Walker and his ties to Wackenhut.

    • http://deleted Claire

      “some” geez

  • Dan az

    Did you know if you took 14 trillion $1 bills and put them end to end, you could circle around the equator 54,474 times?

    Did you know if you spent $443,937 every second for a year, you would still not outspend $14 trillion?
    thats 26636220 per minute my calculator wont go any higher does anybodies else’s?I would like to see per hour!

    • Average Joe

      That is $1,598,173,200 per hour

  • Montana

    O’rielly, what a joke, didn’t he say “video comes in video comes out never a miscommunication”. Why is it that so many fools follow this liar? It looks like that the top republican candidates for president will be coming from “Fake News/ Fox News”, or should I say “Big Business”, how funny.

    I wonder if “Fake News” has a stable of likely republican supreme court justices (I am sure they will all attend the republican state of the union, unlike Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito, and Clarence Thomas, scum bags).

  • Thamera

    Montana: It is an insult to the state that your screen name is Montana. The never ending tirade of insults directed at Fox news and commentators like O’Reilly is tiresome and soooooooooo transparent! YAWN!

  • http://PersonalLibertydigest Terry Tripp

    I would like to know what corporation Bruce is a lackey for. I own my own business and have in the past also been a union member. The republican party as a whole are nothing but liars and cheats.

  • jopa

    Thamera;Do you realize all the money that you earn and the money all the millionaires and billionaires earn come out of the taxpayers pocket.If and when you do retire on those benefits that you receive as a retired teacher are you going to refuse them or say oh I worked for these benefits they are mine.Wow when was the last time someone gave you an apple??I better use spell check on this one I know I am going to be graded.

  • jopa

    Dan AZ: Wow where did you come up with all the time and money.That’s a lot of traveling.

  • Thamera

    Jopa: Try to focus, please. Are you really so jealous of millionaires and billionaires? Do you know any personally? I do realize that taxpayers pay a teacher’s salary and so I would never demand for more than what another hard-working American has. Like I said, you won’t find me on the picket line, nor will you find any of my colleagues, nor will I donate any of my money to a public union precisely because I hold my fellow Americans in high esteem. These are the hard-working parents of the students I teach, many whom are not in unions, do not have pensions, health care plans, paid vacations, or 3 months of the year off every year! I am grateful for my profession and dedicate several hours of personal time to my students. I do not seek rewards or acclaim and am well loved by the people I serve. I know that must drive you crazy, that I, independent of unions can actually be successful and happy. As for the millionaires and billionaires many of them are the most generous people on earth. Why are you so hateful?

  • http://com i41

    demtorep, whining about the poor and homeless, get rid of all the federal parks, wilderness areas, and lands. Let them go out and squat on the land for 5 years and live free. Dime to a hole under a dogs tail most are too lazy and stupid to survive or create anything. Move in all the minorities in and it will look like pig pen garbage pit. When the AIM blanket rears sat on top of Mt Rushmore, it showed what a bunch of filthy pigs minorities are. My uncle a park ranger had to evict the native pigs and help truck the garbage off. Go on down to where the illegals wander in by Tucson and see what a garbage dump mexicans are leaving , as well out in the grass lands. If you move the JBs out in open clean lands, it would be loaded with trash and stink like a gut wagon just rolled thru in a few months. In early 70′s when I hauled freight thru Chitcago, I asked a local what the rotten smell was, as he laughed he said it was coming from the towers and surrounding project areas. At least the mountain cats would have plenty of free food, if the drug residue in the carcusses didn’t mess up their minds. It is just more quotes like dung to dust in the wild. at least somebody would see and enjoy the wildlife and scenery.

  • Thamera

    Jopa: BTW there is a difference between consumers and taxpayers. When I choose to visit my local movie theater and purchase a ticket to watch a movie, I am a consumer. I am choosing where and how to spend my money and yes I am contributing to the wealth of the actor or actress on the screen, that is my choice, as a CONSUMER. In addition, when I frequent my favorite restaurant or buy anything for that matter I am contributing to the wealth of the person, company, corporation etc., that made it. That is my CHOICE as a CONSUMER. In contrast, a taxpayer does not have a choice of where or what their taxes are spent on. That is the vast difference and an important one to remember: Taxes are money taken from one individual/corporation etc., to give to another individual/corporation etc., and that is where I take issue. It’s all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE. It’s really pretty simple. I value free agency.

    • bob wire

      Well, I find it impossible to not be a consumer while only death and taxes are promised and assured.

      But in that we do vote when we spend our dollar as consumers, in taxes we loose the power of personal choice and cast a vote for things we might not otherwise.

      We are all subjected to this “dominion”, the only question to ponder would be the disparity offered by any bias.

      I believe I have just described politics.

      • Thamera

        Bob W: I believe you have and a good description at that! I think sometimes we become so embroiled in the small details that we forget the bigger picture. For me, the “big picture” is the preservation of our freedom(s). I try to look at the underlying philosophy that governs political choice, dissertation and decisions and go from there. I think that if we, as neighbors in this great nation of ours can do that; we will find we are not so different in our points of view. Wishing you a good day!

  • Jason

    Sausage!

  • barb

    Iguess Americans have short..or selective memories. What no one seemed to bother to report is this…from just a few years ago:

    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

    Walker issues hefty raises to top Milwaukee County aides

    By Steve Schultze of the Journal Sentinel

    Sept. 24, 2008

    Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker wants a 26% pay raise for his chief of staff, former Ald. Tom Nardelli, while bypassing traditional County Board approval in quietly issuing large pay raises over the summer to several other top aides.

    Nardelli would get the biggest pay increase of top-tier county officials, a nearly $20,000 raise to $95,000 a year. Seven county administrators also scored increases of up to 12.5%.

    Some supervisors are upset about being left out of the decision-making process for many of the raises and say Walker’s timing couldn’t be worse. Heavily rewarding a few top managers while Walker puts final touches on a 2009 budget that’s expected to call for scores of layoffs of union workers sends a message of callous disregard, critics of the raises say.

    Among the other big winners among Walker’s top aides was Mitchell International Airport Director Barry Bateman. His pay rises $13,595, or 11%, to $136,299 a year. Facilities Management Director Jack Takerian got an $11,771 (12.5%) raise, to nearly $106,000.

    Except for Nardelli, those raises took effect July 28. The County Board Personnel Committee held up Nardelli’s raise last week, when it first came up for consideration.

    A dozen other top county officials had their pay frozen by Walker, including Parks Director Sue Black, who now gets $116,804. Walker said he’ll give her a raise later.

    Supervisor Lynne De Bruin said the raises for Walker’s top aides took supervisors by surprise.

    “In this economy and Milwaukee County’s financial status, I’m very concerned about jumping salaries,” she said. “Some of these folks got some pretty hefty raises.”

    Supervisor John Weishan Jr. called Nardelli’s proposed $20,000 raise “obscene.”
    Raises defended

    The county executive accused critics on the County Board of “cheap shots” and having “an incredible double standard” on the issue because they didn’t object to giving a large pay raise to County Board Chief of Staff Terry Cooley last year. Cooley’s pay rose about $10,000 last year to $105,000 and now stands at $108,546. His increase was pegged to added duties, such as monitoring the county’s lobbyists.

    Criticism of the Nardelli raise is “purely attack, attack, attack and hope that some of it sticks,” Walker said.

    The unannounced October layoffs of three workers in the county vehicle fleet shop, a projected year-end deficit of nearly $6 million and a report showing county departments have held vacant more than 700 positions approved in the 2008 budget further fueled County Board discontent. That makes a farce out of supervisors’ budget review, said Supervisor Mark Borkowski.

    “Maybe instead of the County Board of Supervisors, we should be called the County Board of Irrelevance,” Borkowski said.
    Board has some say

    In the past, the county executive would include his salary recommendations when referring top appointees for County Board confirmation. Walker didn’t do that this year after his re-election in April because a fresh legal opinion said no board approval for a pay raise was necessary, as long as the increase stayed within a previously approved salary range, Walker said.

    That rule doesn’t apply to Nardelli’s raise, which was held up for further review by the County Board’s Personnel Committee. The panel also held up increasing salaries for three information technology manager jobs and for an assistant director slot in the county’s Department on Aging. The maximum pay for those jobs would increase nearly $27,000 to more than $111,000, under a proposal from Walker’s staff.

    That prompted supervisors to order a report on county positions paying $100,000 a year or more.

    Nardelli, 64, was hired by Walker in August 2007, three years after he retired from his job as a Milwaukee alderman. He collects about $30,000 a year in a city pension and also has a military pension for his 25 years as an Army reservist. If he keeps his county job at the new pay level for another three years, Nardelli could also collect a county pension of about $5,700 to $7,600 a year.

    Nardelli declined to comment.

    When asked the reason for Nardelli’s large pay raise, Walker said the adjustment was needed to bring Nardelli’s pay more in line with other similar jobs. For example, Patrick Curley, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett’s chief of staff, gets more than $107,000 a year, Walker noted. It wasn’t that Nardelli was demanding more money, but the higher pay might be needed to attract a good candidate to that post in the future, Walker said.

    Orville Seymer, field director for Citizens for Responsible Government Network, said the raises for Nardelli and some other Walker aides appeared excessive.

    “I just think all these people are overpaid” and unlikely to command such salaries in the private sector, Seymer said.

    Find this article at:
    http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/32492604.html

    • bob wire

      wOw! all of this while “Walker” himself was taking pay cut as it’s being told to us? Walker is appearing to be a “Walking Contradiction” saying one thing while doing another.

      I sure hope Walker, Karl Rove and Dick Chaney take some time off to go do a little quail hunting and get things straighten out.

      • Denniso

        Walker and most rightwingers are hypocrites and only interested in redistributing wealth and power to the corporate elites…what a pathetic ploy on his part,19 people making a decision of this magnitude. He and they will pay the price come 2012. The Repubs have lost most teachers and other public workers.

        • Thamera

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that’s what you think! :D

          • Denniso

            Check back in 2012!

        • Average Joe

          Considering that the Democrats have been redistibuting the wealth since 2008…..bailouts for banks, Wall Street, GM etc….I belive that you are slightly misguided in your attempts to paint the other party in a different light…..In case you don’t know…to bailout those things mentioned, the money has to come from the taxpayers…so the money has been redistributed from the average working man and woman…to corporations and institutions that don’t know how to manage their businesses and institutions. They should have been allowed to fail.
          Try looking at history. Look up the Depression of 1921 and then look up the Depression of 1929. The first one lasted 1.5 years, the second 11 years and took us getting involved in WW2 to get us out of the depression. Google both and see the differences in how they were handled. You will find that this administration (as well as the previous) are following in the footsteps of FDR in their approach to the situation, the difference being…we had gold then…until FDR took it away from us at a 40% loss to the American people….History is a wonderful thing…lessons can be learned by studying it.

          Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
          Douglas Adams

      • Average Joe

        Some questions about ths article.
        1. Is the writer of the article unbiased?
        2. Is the newspaper that is appears in unbiased?
        Without knowing or reading articles by this reporter or having read the newspaper on a daily basis, I cannot answer these questions. However, I don’t know of anyone, anywhere that is not biased in one way or another.
        Everyone tends to put their own spin on any discussion that they happen to be involved in…because everyone has core beliefs and outlooks on life. In my area, we have two major newspapers. One of those newspapers is decidedly liberal in their views, the other is decidely conservative.
        I try to read both, in order to sort things out and try to find the truth amongst the biases……in other words,know the source and then, consider the source…just a thought.

  • bob wire

    Interesting turn of events, The Honorable Walker has just pulled at rabbit out of his assets! and Oh! what a nasty rabbit it is!

    This just gets better and better!

  • chuckb

    bobwire, it’s about time the republicans started to get a little backbone. this will get him re-elected easily. the media was playing the music for the bolshevik unions and america was watching at their idea of democracy, gang rule.

    • Denniso

      And why are unions supposedly Bolshevik? Because the workers band together to fight for better wages and security?

      • chuckb

        denniso, that’s what lenin and company were fighting for in russia. you see how that turned out. the unions in this country have practically destroyed the infrastructure, auto industry, education and public sector. i have seen what they have done to the lunber industry. you see what happens when you start cutting off the arms of an octopus. the people in wisc. voted for change and that’s what they are getting. the unions don’t belong in the public sector. if you have to have someone force an employer to furnish a job for you, then maybe you should take a look at yourself. the unions and environmentalist have forced many companies out of the u.s.

        • Denniso

          Have you read the history of Russia? Especially pre revolutionary Russia? If you think the people had no reason to push for labor unions or revolt against the czar then you need to look again. Of course the revolution went wrong and was co opted by Stalin after Lenin died young. The bulk of the people lived like slaves w/ no hope for the future or that their children could live a good life. This country is looking more and more like an oligarchy w/ a relative handful of the rich doing spectacularly well,and most of the working people struggling to stay afloat. Unions can tip the power slightly in the direction of the people and raise their living standard a bit.

          No worker has ever become as wealthy as a corporate CEO,despite the help of a union. And, most workers who do the real work of society work much harder than any CEO ever does.

      • Average Joe

        Unions = Mob Rule
        They were created for wimps who are afraid to stand up for themselves.
        Union members remind me of the kid at school who runs his mouth,calls others names etc….. then when someone calls him out on it…he runs and gets his big brothers to come stand in for him….yup…Mob Rule.

  • jopa

    Thamera;See what happens when the country has scabs and people don’t walk the picket lines.Now they may come for your pay check. But you didn’t stand up for it so you don’t deserve it anyway.You are not a real full time teacher are you?I saw in a previous post where you would substitute once in a while.

    • bob wire

      I have sensed resentment in her post,~ that’s okay , I harbor some as well but I’m honest about it, wishing not to injure myself for spite or injured ego.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    chuckb,
    Im glad I stopped by. I see two of our Socialists buddies are
    trying to gang up on you. Hello jopa and bob wire, I see the two of you haven`t learned a thing in the last couple of weeks since we
    have hooked up with you two Loons. It kind of hurts when the shoe
    is on the other foot. You think what Obama and his Marxist buddies did with health care we would forget. Im sure glad the Tea Party
    didn`t act like the union thugs that showed up in WISCONSIN. Hello
    Denniso,Im sorry, I almost left you out. chuckb, boy you didn`
    get two, you had all three of the stooges after you. Good show
    chuckb, you handled yourself well,which against these three I
    knew you would. They seam to never have their facts, and they just like yo rattle.

    • bob wire

      On the contra, ~ this is perfect! ~ AND I agree with you Chuck, about time the GOP grew a pair and quit hiding behind everything that they could, to cover up their true intentions.

      It’s a gloves off fight at this point and no room for middle ground.

      The well of good faith has been tainted far beyond correction.

      Look in the mirror Tea Party and see yourself 10 fold bigger, that’s whats headed your way.

      Myself ~?, I lose regardless,harboring no illusions of victory, I’m not getting out of here alive but neither are you.

      There will be no peace, win or lose.

      When you get these middle class people cut down to size, you can then focus on the 40 million Americans on government welfare and lighten the load some more. Then you can start killing them for misbehavior and general purposes with our bloated military arsenal of killing toys.

      Then you can starve out the entitlements (you know?) the money people paid into the SSS programs the span of their working life. ~ Kill them,starve them out, problem solved.

      Then they will be coming for you. You will wonder Why Me? ~ the answer is quite simple, because they can and nobody cares. You have no value, you are not worth keeping around. They don’t need your vote anymore.

      This is where we are all headed with this path we take.

      “DDSS”

      thinning the herd to people that can push buttons.

    • bob wire

      And Charles,~ we are not ganging up on anyone, Chuck and myself enjoy having a go at each other in respectable fashion and Dennis can speak for himself.

      But, glad you dropped by and do check back in.

      bw

      • Denniso

        Given the chance, the Repubs would put us and the country back in the 10th century. An oligarchy w/ a handful of men at the top and most everyone else scrounging for a decent living. Fortunately,even for most of them,we won’t let that happen. There are millions of Americans who know better than to turn over the country to Repubs for very long…they’ve already sealed their fate for 2012. Most working people,public and private, will not vote them back in again.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Thamera,
    Thanks for your HAHAHAHAHAHAHA >> Could`t have said it better.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Denniso,
    Maybe if we can get ridd of the Progressive party,Maybe the Democrats can once again get control of Washington. The republicans need to win at any cost in 2012. Then in 2016 ,if the progressives can be vanquished from American politics,they may be able to reclaim their
    party.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Bob Wire,
    I like you too. I think it`s fun sparing with the three of you,since
    none of you know what your talking about. I take that back, I think,
    I did agree with you on one thing. I just can`t remember what it was.
    See you and your buddies sometime down the road. We have a lot to talk
    about by 2012.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Denniso,
    Thats the trouble with you left wing loons. You get things mixed
    up. It`s you,who want to put us back in the tenth centry Isn`t it your ideas for us to drive green cars, that go about 50 miles and then you have to walk the rest of the way to get where your going.
    I think its you that want our factories green and what they can`t afford to do to stay in business. It`s you people that won`t let
    us drill for oil till we can find a nother way to produce huge amounts
    of energy that can run our country. It sounds to me,you guys are blaming us for the very things that you do to stunt our growth.
    Ask Spain how it`s going with their green programs While we fiddle
    China and the rest of the world will pass us by and they go by,
    you will hear them say, OH!!! those poor stupid shits.

    • bob wire

      When you call people left wing loons, and stupid ~ I take you to be a child and treat you accordingly. I Ignore you and your post or look for an error in your ideas and spank you with them.

      In this case you have failed to say anything and but attempting to be ignoring. ~ if it continues, I see Charles and move on.

      That’s how it works Charles.

      • Denniso

        Charley is clearly a reactionary who wants to stay stuck in the past. The rest of the world is passing us by while we continue to live in a 19th century energy economy.

  • bob wire

    Yes Charles, I enjoy sparing about on things I consider worthy or question intent.

    But, I see the need for strong parties with valid ideas, ~ the only crushing that I wish to do is of bad thoughts, bad ideas and bad habits.

    I’m not here to call people names and put people down but lift them up if it’s at all possible.

    and to learn! to share.

    • http://deleted Claire

      bob wire— Pull up US Uncut on the internet–

  • John

    read the flamers in these posts. this is what they want people. on both sides of a two side system with at least 4 sub parties, educated rich righ wing who dont understand how it is to live on nothing. poor right wing that learned the only way to be rich is support the party that supports freedom and business. in the end they sell themselves out but the left isnt much if any better. the only difference is the left wing people for the most part want to build a society. they dont want your guns they want livable wages and basic healthcare for all. I dont like what was voted in either but it very much is not “OBAMACARE” go ahead call it that you just show the world how uneducated you are.

    look at where they have us though. even if we cleaned out the gov and started fresh, the media has done such a good job at polarizing us with non issues that we would probably end up fighting each other like cavemen. id add cave women but the current trend is their hits are incapable of doing damage. cave mens dont have to leave a mark for him to go to jail :)

  • John

    I realize i never described the 2 left sub parties. id say lower to middle class sane people who enjoy social care in moderation and see it as a function of society and then peta members ;).

    one more thing: many nations in europe with gov single payer health care and mandatory 90 days vacation a year are more productive per hour of work.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    John,
    If you think Europe is a better place to live, then I would be made
    to beleive,. that would be the place you would be living. I don`t
    know where you get your info., but the American worker is the most
    productive worker in the world.

    • Denniso

      Most of Europe makes us look like fools when it comes to work and time off,as well as healthcare,safety net and retirement…the only place we look ‘better’ is in becoming a millionaire,which the vast majority can’t do anyway.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Sorry Bob Wire,
    You and jopa and Denniso are my favorite past time. I realy like
    you guys.

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