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Measure Requires Some States To Report Certain Gun Sales To Feds

July 14, 2011 by  

Some rifle sales will be restricted by a new measure.President Barack Obama’s Administration implemented a measure on Monday that would require some States to report multiple sales of semiautomatic rifles to Federal authorities.

According to The Washington Post, gun dealers in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California will have to alert the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) if an individual buys more than one semiautomatic rifle within five days. The rule applies to weapons with detachable magazines with a higher than .22 caliber.

The measure was implemented to stop gunrunning into Mexico, according to the newspaper.

Deputy Attorney General James Cole said that the measure will help authorities “detect and disrupt the illegal weapons trafficking networks responsible for diverting firearms from lawful commerce to criminals and criminal organizations.”

The measure comes as Congress investigates an ATF operation, named Fast and Furious, that reportedly allowed guns to be brought into Mexico.

The National Rifle Association has been adamantly opposed to the measure.

“This is a blatant effort by the Obama Administration and ATF to divert focus of Congress and the general public from their gross incompetence in the Fast and Furious scandal,” Chris W. Cox, the NRA’s executive director, said in a statement. “This scheme will unjustly burden law-abiding retailers in border States.”

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  • Cawmun Cents

    EVERY SIXTH DAY i AM GOING TO BUY AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE…HAW!That’ll show em’.-CC.

    • Vic

      This “measure” has to be a consequence of skyrocketing violence on mexican side and across the border due to “illicit weaponry” supply from USA.

      Now we know that Obama and Holder are the suppliers themselves and yet they are “implementing” this BS as if they “Fast and Furious” scam remain a secret and everyone believe that it is gun dealers in the border states to blame.

      This administration has to be impeached and sent to jail. All of them!

  • DanB

    I am thinking this might be so they can build a database. Not to stop crime–heck they just ran “Fast and Furious” so well. So it cannot be to stop crime. This might be a stop gap measure to bandage the bad PR from “Fast and Furious.” But these things seem to be a step further, little by little, to move us to a point where they can isolate the law abiding threats to a big government takeover. Since this data is being collected, how soon before they go from reporting a purchase made within every five day period by a customer to any weapon purchase period. First you get used to this five day window and then after you’ve accepted that as the norm, like Pavlov’s dogs they will “train” you to accept a new pattern. Keeping this up until they just come to your home and take your guns. They will have the database, so they will know which homes to go to. For the law abiding they will be able to find and take away their weapons. The illegal buyers, well, probably they’ll give them a free pass and a high paid lawyer when necessary. Slap on the wrist stuff for the illegal activity. If ATF staff were losing jobs NOW over “Fast and Furious” I wonder how fast they would be cutting deals with the courts and releasing evidence that would lead its way up to somewhere on top? So far the only unemployed I know of from “Fast and Furious” is the whistleblower. So the man who reveals the truth of what our government was doing gets punished and those that continue to cover it up remain safely employed–might even get bonuses for it?

    • eddie47d

      There is no direct attack on the Second Amendment as Time says. I have little respect for Fast and Furious but if gun owners can’t see the dangers of multiple gun sales to an individual then you all have a problem. It’s not like a shooting range owner buying 50 weapons for his range and would need that many for his business.Some of you come across as dangerous in your demands for instant multiple semiautomatic weapons as the ATF in there hair brained ideas.

      • independant thinker

        eddie you do not have a clue. This has NOITHING to do with stopoping illegal gun sales. Rather it is
        1. A backdoor gun registration scheme.
        2. A harassement of legal gun buyers who happen to find a good deal.
        3. A harassement of legal gun dealers.
        4. A waste of scarce money resources that could be better used
        in other ways.
        5. Illegal because the BATF does not have the authority to enforce
        this rule plus it is against the law to keep a national database
        of gun owners.

        • eddie47d

          I’ll keep my clues and I’ll let you keep your opinions, thank you.

      • KiloAlpha

        I don’t know what planet ejected you to this one and, unfortunately, left you on the continent of America, but you have absolutely no concept of “shall not be infringed”. A Rifle is a tool no different than a hammer or a computer or a rake. Are you going to report people for multiple purchases of pitchforks and gas grills? How about those potential vehicular homicidal maniacs that go buy a full set of 4 new radial tires? What about those who buy pneumatic nailers and boxes of framing nails! Oh, my! The horror! You are simply a moron. Somewhere on Uranus, a rock is missing it’s bug–you should go home.

      • bigez.1953

        Eddie

        Your Nutz!

  • TIME

    This is just to cover their bloody butts from what they have done. But by no means should anyone let your guard down this is still a direct attack on the 2nd Amendment. Lets stop this before it gets out of hand. Write Fax, phone Email but for GOD sakes do something.

    When Barry Soetoro said he was going to be transparent, no one had a clue how easy it would be to spot his criminal behavior.

    • 45caliber

      He tries to cover it up – he’s just not very good at it. And, to tell the truth, I don’t think anyone including him in Washington really cares if he does or not. After all, he’s PRESIDENT! He can do as he likes and no one can object. Isn’t President the same as King? He and Michelle certainly seem to think so.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Time,
      I’m waiting with baited breath to see someone “call his bluff”!! I wonder who will have the cahones!!!

  • tim

    They need to prosecute everyone of the people who were involved in fast and furious. Write your’e congressmen and senators and put pressure on them. Thier always hitting us with stricter gun purchasing laws. Well they broke everyone of those laws and should be prosecuted and do jail time for violating thier own laws!!!!! This includes obama and holder!!!

    • 45caliber

      tim

      I DEFINATELY agree!! However, they are all in Washington – and none believe that they should be punished.

      When Ruby Ridge happened, the government insisted that NO government offical or employee could be punished for breaking any law “in performance of their duties”. Several got away with murder due to it and others were actually promoted.

      • independant thinker

        As I recall the state was going to file (or perhaps did file) murder charges against one or more agents but was prevented from doing so by the feds.

        • 45caliber

          There is still an outstanding murder warrant out for their sniper but they can’t arrest him unless he shows up in Idaho.

          Actually, if he was a real sniper, he should be charged with murder. He kept “missing” the target he claimed he was aiming at by as much as two feet – and hitting someone else instead.

          • independant thinker

            Thanks

  • tim

    One thing I would suggest to gun shop owners is to adopt a policy that says you cannot buy more than 4 a day. You will have to come back tomorrow because we don’t want to fill out multiple pieces of paperwork. What’s really funny is the criminals know about this law, don’t you think thier ganna make several different trips to stay under the radar. This just goes to show you how stupid the people who work for the federal gov’t are!!!! By the way this law is illegal, and congress just voted down a similiar law. So once again obama is sticking it to us by violating the constitution and going right over congress. You liberals who think this is oaky, what are you gonna do when he takes it upon himself to start a nuclear war???????

  • C130 Gunship

    This is the beginning of back door gun registration which in the future will lead to confiscation – or an attempt to. I have one question…….
    Does this mean ATF has to register all their approved straw gun purchases to give to the cartels?

    • 45caliber

      There are already comments by various gun control advocates (many of whom are in office) about it being illegal to register guns – but not illegal to register gun owners and ammunition.

      • C130 Gunship

        45 caliber…….What if the EPA and ATF teamed up and outlawed domestic manufacturing of all types of ammo and then followed that up with outlawing the importation of all ammo??? What good would our ‘lead delivery systems’ be then??

        • Xin-Loi

          Ever hear of reloading your own ammunition?

          • C130 Gunship

            Xin-Loi….I stated ‘all domestic manufactured ammo’ which is inclusive of reloading. 关于阅读理解笨蛋上课!

        • 45caliber

          They are trying to do that too. In fact, Hillary’s treaty states that reloading will be illegal (or at least taxed so high that no one can afford it.)

          • Think about it

            Buy, Buy, Buy, and keep on Buyin, theres just some things you can never have enought of, you know that sooner or later they’re going to make us defend the 2nd Amendment.

  • William Bolton

    It is obvious that we are no longer citizens. Our rulers are above the law and that makes us subjects. Their majesties may commit crimes but they are not even arrested when they do.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. Take taxes, for instance. If I didn’t pay a $1000 in taxes, I’d be in jail and all my possessions confiscated within weeks. But they go years without even being auditted. When caught, all they do is pay what they should have paid in the first place – no penalties at all.

  • Raggs

    oblama is CREEPING closer and closer to a complete ban of guns.

    I still think there is something in oblama-care that will make the ownership of firearms illegal due to a health-risk.

    • Think about it

      I do agree with you, It will be a health risk, how about lead poisoning.

  • GHOP

    I think Adolph Hitler would be proud of Barry Obumler. He passes laws by fiat without going through congress. This very well could be part of the long term plan to disarm American citizens, along with the UN small arms treaty. The boarder states are just the beginning. It will soon lead to all states having to report gun sales. In 2012 we need to take back our country and elect a president and congress that will abide by the Constitution. I’m sick of this president trashing it.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. The border states first – then they will “discover” that the Mexican gun runners are now going deeper inland to buy them. But by taking only a few states at a time, they can keep down the number of people who will object – they hope.

      When they get to Alaska and Maine, you will know they were successful too.

      • Raggs

        New York also because it’s a hub for immigrants.

        • 45caliber

          Raggs:

          I don’t think they are worried about dealers in NYC. Too many of them simply buy their guns on the streets. Apparently they don’t care about that – just the dealers. It is illegal in NYC to even own a gun without a license so you can’t buy without government approval. And they only give it to politicians and police officers.

  • 45caliber

    An elderly friend at my church bought all his grandsons a new auto shotgun each for Christmas last year. Some are below 21. Jokingly, I mentioned to him that the government considered him a gun runner for buying all at the same time and for giving them to someone else, particularly someone below 21.

    I thought he was going to have a heart attack! He glared and said, “They can come to me to talk about it! I’ve to a shotgun too!”

  • JJM

    Nonsense BS – Obvious they want us to think this is a border issue until they do likewise nationwide. Reduce/close some foreign military bases and post soldiers on the border.
    The criminals and gunrunners will space out their purchases and/or use several purchasers or IDs.
    This in itself doesn’t bother me as I don’t plan to save up for months to make all my purchases in 1 week anyway.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JJM,
      I’m gonna win the lottery and buy all the guns in Ohio!!! HE, HE!!!!

  • independant thinker

    In March, U.S. Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) and Richard Burr (R-N.C.) introduced S. 570–“to prohibit the Department of Justice from tracking and cataloguing the purchases of multiple rifles and shotguns.”

    Rep. Denny Rehberg has introduced a similar bill (actualy an amendment to another) doing the same thing.

    If both pass it will stop, at least temporarily, this illegal gun registration scheme.

    • JeffH

      House Committee Passes Amendment to Defund Illegal Obama Firearm Sales Reporting Requirement

      Wednesday, July 13, 2011

      Today, during consideration of the FY 2012 Commerce, Justice, Science Appropriations bill, pro-gun U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) offered an amendment to prohibit the use of funds for a new and unauthorized multiple sales reporting plan proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

      The Amendment was passed by a vote of 25-16.

      While the Rehberg Amendment is a critically important first step, it is imperative that you contact your U.S. Senators and ask them to cosponsor and support S. 570. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the “Write Your Representatives” tool at http://www.NRAILA.org, or you can call your U.S. senators at (202) 224-3121. S. 570 currently has 29 cosponsors. To see if your senators are cosponsors, please click here:
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00570:@@@P

    • JeffH

      The Amendment was passed by a vote of 25-16.

      While the Rehberg Amendment is a critically important first step, it is imperative that you contact your U.S. Senators and ask them to cosponsor and support S. 570. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the “Write Your Representatives” tool at http://www.NRAILA.org, or you can call your U.S. senators at (202) 224-3121. S. 570 currently has 29 cosponsors.

      • independant thinker

        What it passed was the committee vote which I forgot to mention. It still has to pass the house.

      • Antonio

        Throw those 16 trash bags in the dumpster!!

  • jopa

    We had a bunch of AL qaeda wannabe terrorists training up in the Pocono Mountains a few years back.They were supposedly playing war games for an impending attack on Fort Dix New Jersey when they were apprehended by the Feds.If they were to purchase a number of automatic weapons at once and the feds were notified, that would be one way to stop a mass slaughter of Americans.Perhaps we need to see and look at both sides of the story.

    • independant thinker

      “If they were to purchase a number of automatic weapons at once and the feds were notified,”

      If they all applied for a class III license so they could purchase automatic weapons that should raise all kinds of red flags with the FBI and BATFE in and of itself. If each individual purchased his/her own semi-suto gun then this new illegal rule would not catch them to begain with because they would only be purchasing a single weapon.

      • JeffH

        independant thinker…some people don’t even know the difference between an automatic which the average gun owner can’t buy anyway without the scrutiny of appling for a class III permit and a semi-auto. The term “automatic weapon” tossed around by the anti-gunners is commonly known as “double-speak”. Very similar in nature to O’man’s “I can’t guarantee SS payments will be made”…

        • independant thinker

          I know that is the reason I emphasized the two different sales.

      • 45caliber

        Sadly there are people willing to give up freedoms simply because they don’t stop to think through a problem.

    • John_in_CA

      I live near San Bernardino, which is not too far from L.A. The day before the so-called Assault Weapons Ban went into effect, the affected arms literally flew off the shelves. Less than half of them were ever registered. We have a lot of people who still have their Woodstock T shirts who also have an AK stashed in the closet, ‘just in case’. Everybody “knows somebody” and if you want a semi-auto (or a full auto for that matter) it’s just a matter of having the cash. Is this the future you want?

      • Raggs

        Well we could just arrest the criminals but hey thats too much trouble…. So to make things easy lets just take all guns from the law abbiding citizens HUH… At least the criminals will still have theirs….

      • TML

        Yes, the 2nd Amendment is the future I want. Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm neither those inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the law abiding citizen, and better for the criminal, because an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

        • John_in_CA

          It appears I must apologize for being a bit too obtuse. My comment and question were meant to point out that such a serious usurpation of power, if allowed to stand, destroys the rule of law. Many, if not most, of the people who purchased proscribed arms in California and then ‘neglected’ to register them in a timely fashion did so either in protest, or out of fear that they would soon need the weapons, either to protect themselves from the newly unleashed criminal class, or the government itself (as if there were a difference). These people were and are ordinary citizens who became criminals, at least in the eyes of the state. New York City provides a similar example. There are an estimated 10 million firearms in a city with far fewer than 10 million people in it, and only a small percentage of those are known felons. So, who is buying all those ‘illegal’ weapons, and why? Might it be a citizenry who are fed up with being sheep for the shearing and slaughter?

          I know a of a few hardy souls who live part of the year in Mexico, where personal arms are illegal and a tradition of personal liberty and responsibility has never existed. The word from them is that the average Mexican household has a collection of arms that would make collectors here green with envy. They own them mainly to defend themselves against criminal gangs. Being arrested or not in the event of having to actually use them is a matter of who you know and how big a bribe you can come up with.

          This is the reality in most of the Third world. As Ayn Rand pointed out, the state doesn’t really care what we do, or to whom we do it, so long as it does not involve questioning or resisting their ability to do whatever they wish to, or take whatever they want from, us. The blatant disregard for Constitutional law we have seen building over the past few decades has begun turning us into a morally, ethically and legally ambiguous people who’s actions are dictated by pragmatism and the power structure. If we fail to stop it, we will go the way of Rome. Attitudes such as Jopa’s have been instrumental in allowing the process to accelerate, and are making America’s potential future as just another Third world dung heap a reality.

          I ask again, Jopa, is this the future you truly want?

    • TML

      Who are these so called terrorists, and how did we find out about them without this law? Hmmmm! The other side of this story is that they created a problem (the ATF gave the guns to the cartels) so they could then step in and be the hero’s by making more strick gun laws, to condition you for absolute prohibition. It’s called a false flag operation! This 5 day rule does NOTHING to stop illegal trafficing even it was real criminals! Criminals could get around this by something called “Smurfing”… in which they get many different people to buy 1 gun every 6 days or more, and they stay under the ‘radar’. It isn’t hard to see the law is actually useless to stop criminal activities, but that ISN’t their goal.

  • patrick

    Oh my how smart is the ass occupying the Whitehouse? OK so once again, we the law abiding people follow the law and buy 1 gun at a time. That’s just fine I’m not desparate enough to break the law. Now let’s look at the criminals. They are all sitting there laughing their ass’s off saying OK, sure we will follow the law. Yea right. You friging dummies, don’t ya think we are smart enough to see your smoke screens, trying to take our attention away from your illegal actions in the murder of our border guards? How I ask, can we the people, continue to allow these idiots to control and ” CHANGE” our country for the worse? Obammy boy and all of his crooked czars and appointees, need to tried for treason, brought to trial convicted, and brought to justice in front of the firing squads!!!!

    • 45caliber

      How many American criminals go to the local gunshop or gun show to buy guns? Exactly Zero. The only people who buy guns here for criminal use are the Mexican cartels – and they get most of their guns from our Federal government or from the Soviets. All those guns and weapons (RPGs, grenades, ect.) they use don’t come from gun dealers. The HONEST citizens are the only ones who would be tracked and watched for buying.

  • C130 Gunship

    Just in from Alan Korwin’s gunlaws.com

    Obama Executive Order Cannot Legally Enact Rifle-Reporting Law

    Effort to Bypass Congress Is Illegitimate, Experts Say

    Similar Laws Have Required Bills, Open Debate, Recorded Votes

    News Media Asleep at the Wheel, Reporting Without Questioning

    Firearm Owners Protection Act Bans Such Proposals Altogether

    Congress Already Rejected Reporting for Long Guns

    If this stands up, limits on power fall apart –
    Is that the true goal of Project Gunrunner?

    The effort by the Obama administration to establish new gun law by
    executive order is not a legal method for enacting law in the United
    States, according to Alan Korwin, a national expert on gun law and author of nine books on the subject. Other experts agree that such a measure requires an act of Congress, and cannot legitimately be implemented by executive order, as Mr. Obama is attempting to do.

    “We already have rapid-reporting requirements for multiple firearm sales, for handguns,” Mr. Korwin notes, “and this required Congress to draft and enact a statute, which became federal law 18 U.S.C. §923(g). It’s not legal to create another similar law for long guns without Congress,” Korwin says.

    When that law was changed to allow reporting of multiple handgun sales to local authorities, in addition to federal officials, that also required federal law, which was passed as part of the Brady bill. Congress had an opportunity to include long guns in those reporting requirements, and rejected it. Congress is the only entity with legitimate power to change that, Korwin and other experts say.

    According to knowledgeable observers, a firearms bill like this would not make it through Congress, since the House is firmly in pro-gun-rights Republican hands. This may explain Obama’s effort to sidestep Congress and attempt to enact a gun law by decree instead of due process and open transparent deliberation. “Mr. Obama knows such a bill would have no chance of passage in the current Congress. His attempt to avoid Congress is an affront to all Americans, regardless of where they stand on the gun-rights issue,” said Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America.

    “Apparently the president is a fan of former Clinton advisor Paul Begala’s approach to government: “Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool!”

    A president who attempts to pass laws on his own is dangerous to the
    nation. “If the administration can get away with this and enact new law without Congress, there is no practical limit on presidential exercise of power, a truly frightening development,” says Philip Van Cleave, a civil-rights activist and president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. “Even attempting to grab such power is a tyrannical act,” Van Cleave says.

    No justification or rational is known that would allow such action
    regarding rifle sales, when the essentially same law for handguns required a bill and proper passage. This goes even one step further than Obama’s federal health care law, which then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said we would have to pass to learn what’s in it. That at least used Congress for an appearance of legitimacy, this bypasses Congress completely.

    Equal treatment under the law would also be defeated by the move, since the attempt singles out dealers in only four states California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. One gun dealer, who refused to be identified, pointed out that this will force Mexico’s deadly vicious drug cartels to make their illegal straw purchases in the other 46 states.

    Nevada, Utah, Colorado and Oklahoma are the next closest states to the
    Mexican border, and could conceivably see an uptick in the sales Obama
    claims he is trying to thwart. Those states would be under no obligation to report multiple sales, though licensed dealers are typically vigilant and report sales that seem suspicious, if for no other reason than to protect their licenses to operate.

    “The whole scheme is preposterous,” says Kim Grady, a board member and
    national coordinator for Second Amendment Sisters. “Federal agents were the ones smuggling guns into Mexico in the first place, to bolster the numbers Mr. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder were loudly promoting to build support for more gun control — even after their numbers were exposed as false,” Ms. Grady notes. “The ATF-managed straw sales sales were repeatedly reported to ATF officials, who ignored the information. Now dealers will be
    required to do what they were already doing, to the rogue agency that
    ignored them? This has nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with control.” If a new law is needed, Grady said, it’s one to imprison federal agents who cooperate in gun smuggling, not more paperwork for honest and conscientious licensed business people.

    According to ATF, the new edict will generate 18,000 reports in a year. Itis unknown where the staff and money to handle such a load will come from, or how the information will be used. FOPA specifically bans collecting this information in any sort of federal facility.

    According to Charles Heller, the newly appointed executive director of
    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, “The ultimate aim of all regulations like the one in this executive order, is to make it so
    difficult for private citizens to own and shoot a gun, that they no longer bother to do so. This is EXACTLY what the Declaration of Independence,whose anniversary we just celebrated, refers to as ‘sending forth agents to eat out our substance.’”

    Heller notes that, “In the recent Gunrunner debacle, the Obama
    administration attempted to pad the statistics of ‘crime guns’ going to Mexico from the U.S. This is a violation of several U.S. laws, committed by law enforcement agents who failed to refuse illegal orders. The solution is simple and straightforward — disarm the agents and decertify the agency as a law enforcement organization. Remove their badges, and give them business cards like any other bureaucrats. Turn them from jack-boots into gumshoes.”

    According to published reports, Obama promised action on gun restrictions to long-time anti-rights activist Sarah Brady, saying they would come “under the radar,” after he got things properly positioned. It defies imagination to suggest that Project Gunrunner, and the Fast and Furious smuggling crimes were just fronts that had nothing to do with padding the numbers, gun smuggling, or even building political support for gun control. “If that was just a smokescreen, all arranged so Mr. Obama could begin enacting gun law by decree instead of through Congress, now that would be one slick pre-planned political stratagem,” said author Korwin, adding, “I
    can’t believe he’s that clever, but it sure looks like he’s getting that result.”

    The NRA has promised a lawsuit to fight the administration’s decree, about the only action short of impeachment that can be taken if a president acts outside the law. That case would be heard in federal courts, which operate under Obama’s Justice Dept. and AG Eric Holder, which have in the past mysteriously dismissed cases they did not like. Voter intimidation by a black panther in Philadelphia, for example, disappeared, even though the club-wielding perp was caught on videotape.

    • independant thinker

      In March, U.S. Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) and Richard Burr (R-N.C.) introduced S. 570–“to prohibit the Department of Justice from tracking and cataloguing the purchases of multiple rifles and shotguns.”

      Rep. Denny Rehberg has introduced a similar bill (actualy an amendment to another) doing the same thing.

    • 45caliber

      Nearly all executive orders are not legal. But if the peons who are to enforce them don’t do it, they are fired at the very least. And it takes years and a lot of money to get courts to rule the laws are illegal. And then what happens? They issue another executive order. We need a better procedure to stop these things.

  • Mutantone

    It all goes to their efforts to subjugate the Constitution and the peoples ability to remove a corrupt government. That is why they are currently advancing the UN regulations to apply to our Nation. It is sad that they are getting so close to their goals and making it impossible for the citizens to rise up and stop them from ruining the USA. Just look at all the Communist-Marxist in power here now that is the saddest comment that can be made as to the state of this Union.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Allan Denial

    The Obama’s administration hypocrisy knows no bonds. There above the law.

  • Freddie

    This is how the Gun Control Act of 1968 came about. Can anyone see a another U.S. civil war on the horizon? It is coming with the lack of American leadership whose forgotten the reasons that our Framers did what they did and most lost everything, including their lives.

    • TML

      I tend to see the 2nd American Revolution on the horizon.

  • jopa

    Independant thinker;I remember years ago one could take a semi automatic and convert it into fully automatic with a little tweaking.With todays weaponry I don’t know if this still holds true or were manufacturers required to place obstructions for such upgrades.

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      I’ve seen plans that will convert ANY gun to full automatic if you have a small machine shop and know what you are doing. (Luckily, criminals don’t have either one.) But that is very illegal and the bullets are expensive. I didn’t shoot fully auto when I was in combat most of the time. Only the first bullet goes where you want it to go. No one knows where the rest go.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        I had a sargent in RVN that could paint a four inch heart on a silhouette target and use an M16 on rock and roll and cut it out at 100 meters! I’m not a fan of full auto but if you are that good with it and you can afford it, have at it!!

    • bigez.1953

      jopa, You may be correct. However, that sort of thinking is one of the reasons that we have become a spray and pray society when we talk about firearms and their use. A man with a bolt gun tyhat can hit a 5-gal. bucket at 200 yds consistently is better able to defend himself and this republic than some twerp that can shoot 50 rds a minute and can’t hit a 5-gal. bucket once at 200 yds. We need to teach our children how to use a rifle by the time they are in the sixth grade. This can be done using well-made .22 cal. rimfire arms. It has been done in the past. We should have continued the tradition. As they become more and more proficient, They should be graduated into the centerfire calibers and repeating weapons. Any rifle is only as good as that one AIMED shot. We are free today because we have always been a nation of riflemen. We will not remain free if we rely on the false hopes of Spray an Pray.

  • Antonio

    Shall not be infringed… well you can kiss that good-bye now. It has been infringed for a long looooooong time now. You dont really have the right to bear arms do you? Not with out buying a license you dont, hell you cannot even have knife on you or even your car. Hell people you cannot even have a baseball bat in your car with-out a glove to go with it. You aint got no rights people! You all being controlled always have been. You cannot even have a cel phone unless of course you pay uncle sam his fees, then you may use your cel, but becareful people cuz he listening to you and reading your texts. They watching you, all of you. And what are we doing about it??? Oh yeah i forgot we sign petitions!!!

    • Think about it

      I don’t know where you come from, but i carry my Gun on a daily basis, on my person and in my vehicle and in most stores, maybe you should look for another place to live.

      • Antonio

        im fine in texas thanks anyways i was just stating facts sorry you cant figure it out yet, but maybe one day you will.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Antonio,
          I carry an american-made SOG knife in my pocket every day. I have even shown it to police I know with no problems. It is razor sharp, spring assisted and most important, AMERICAN MADE!

          • Antonio

            hey Joe i remember you. Hows it going? Anyways, heres the thing. I too carry a tool (knife) to those who dont know what it really is. It is a spec. plus, SP2-93 Ontario USA. The blade length on this particular tool is 5 1/2 inches. It is a solid blade as i dont like folding blades. i have been told by police that it is illegal. I carry it everywhere. I keep it in my pants with the handle sticking out on my right side in the back by my wallet. i have been asked to leave places like wal-mart. i go into restaurants and am told to put in car or leave. not all places but many yes. why? they have knives on the f—ing plates dont they?
            Anyways the main point i was trying to make is that they dictate to you what you can and cannot have. The little thinking guy above said that he carrys a gun everywhere he goes. well hell thats great try carrying a ak-47 everywhere you go and see how that “right to bear arms” works out for you. You say that carry a pocket knife well thats just great Joe. try straping a “dundee” blade on your hip and see what happens. You cannot do it can you?? you know why? because they control your life by telling you what you can a cant do, can and cant have. Now talk to me about the right to bear arms. you aint got no right man you only have what THEY tell you you can have. Hell man you can’t even add a room on to your own house without permision and if you still think you all free you all still sleeping… and thats just the plain truth man.

  • larry finch

    What few seem to realize is that the corrupt politicians think they are the “special ” people and as such are exempt from the laws we must live by. We are merely fields of taxpayers to feed the machine similiar to those “fields ” of people in the matrix movie. They need to disarm us so that we are subjects not citizens and they do so by using the death of a thousand cuts,..in other words,..an inch at a time. Cashless system, global disarmament, Thousands of “traffic cams”,….wake up people! Read your Bible! One world govt, ten “kings” over Ten Kingdoms under the antichrist,..The infrastructure is being put in place NOW. Whether its 1 year or 20 ..its coming!

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. Without money, you can’t rebel. Clinton had a clause in Hillary’s medical bill that allowed the government to confiscate everything you owned if you broke any part of it. And there were two clauses that meant if you followed one, you broke the other. When this was pointed out to him, he agreed they were there and then added, “but we NEED to be able to seize any wealth of the citizens if they cause the government trouble!”

  • TML

    Wow, so the ATF gives semi-automatic rifles to drug gangs, and then wants to crack down on gun sales by reporting them to ATF. This was a blatant false flag operation designed to target Amererican’s 2nd Amendment rights. Five days would do NOTHING to stop illegal trafficing even it was being done by real criminals. This is just another small erotion, another conditioning, on the way to complete prohibition of firearms. We are falling faster and faster into despotism, and I fear for the future of my children.

  • James

    While that may not violate our right to bear arms, I believe it violates the spirit of the Second Amendment.

  • s c

    What a coincidence! THOSE ‘certain’ states are also BORDER states. Those are the very SAME states where Uncle Scam ignores his CONSTITUTIONAL duties and cares NOT if it means the death of American citizens.
    This is no longer simple dereliction of duty or incompetence. This is outright TREASON. Enforce the laws of the land, you VERMIN.
    YOU have declared war on the American people, and even when Americans die because of your treason and your hypocrisy, this still is not enough for you to do your job.
    Anyone who supports Uncle Scam in this matter is guilty of the same hypocrisy and treason as those subhuman vermin in Washington. NEVER again speak of social justice or leadership, you devolved, Darwinian tree-dwellers.

    • 45caliber

      As one of those “leaders” stated in Washington, “You have to break eggs to make an omlete.”

  • Recoil

    “Lock and load” Be prepared to die for the Constitution is our true game plan set forth by our fore-fathers. It is written of truths and is self evident to it’s core. Men and women have faught and died to protect the future of our country and I for one am ready to do just that. My grandchildren will not suffer at the hands of a false god if I have any say in the matter.

    • bigez.1953

      Hey Recoil, That there dying thing you are a-talkin’ about is maybe OK fer you. I intend to let the a$$es who air a-screwin’ us ta die because they ain’t follerin’ the constitution. I taken an oath several years ago to protect an’ defend the constitution frum these scum, an’ BY GOD I intend to do just that. Hit don’ matter iffen I ain’t got a dang thang ta do hit wif but my bare hans.

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