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McCain, Other Republicans Denounce Special Deals In Senate Healthcare Bill

January 4, 2010 by  

McCain, other Republicans denounce special deals in Senate healthcare bill Fiscal conservatives across the country have blasted the $871 billion healthcare bill passed by the Senate on Christmas Eve for its potential to increase medical costs, as well as for the earmarks won by several lawmakers in exchange for their support.

Many Republicans have taken issue with the fact that the bill is set to be financed through taxes on high-priced insurance plans, which they say will boost, rather than reduce, healthcare costs.

According to John H. Sununu, chairman of New Hampshire Republican State Committee, "Senate Democrats enthusiastically supported a healthcare bill that will bankrupt our country and saddle future generations with crippling deficits," quoted by Seacoastonline.com.

Meanwhile, congressional GOP members, led by Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), have blasted the special deals the Democratic leadership offered to some members of their caucus in exchange for votes.

For example, Senator Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) won the concession under which the federal government will pay for all of the new Medical enrollees in the state, instead of sharing the cost with the state government as will happen in the rest of the country, according to USA Today.

The source also reports that Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La.) obtained a $300 million bump in Medicaid funding for her state.

"Passage of this bill is an indication of the Chicago-style sleazy sausage-making that’s been going on around here," McCain said.

"The lobbyists and special interests have won [and the] American people have lost," he added.
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  • http://personallibertydigest john baker

    Thank God some one with some common sense. This peice of so called health care reform is nothing more than the goverment removing more of your freedom The sooner the marxist elite Reid ,Pelosi , Clintons & the rest of capital hill gang are voted out the better. This regime has NO clue . Most Americans dont want this , do they Listen NO .Just another attack on the constitution & the american people

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      I received this and forwarded it on to my email group but needs to go further:
      I guess I understand why they are meeting behind closed doors to work on Health Care Reform…read the letter below

      ——————————————————————————–

      Subject:

      An Indianapolis doctor’s letter to Sen. Bayh about the Bill (Note: Dr. Stephen E. Frazer, MD practices as an anesthesiologist in Indianapolis , IN )
      Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh. Feel free to copy it and send it around to all other representatives. — Stephen Fraser

      July 23, 2009

      Senator Bayh,

      As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government’s proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.

      I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.

      Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!

      Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

      Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

      Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!

      Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

      Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a ‘National ID Health card’ will be issued!

      Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.

      Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

      Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the ‘Exchange.’

      Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans — The Govt will ration your health care!

      Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)

      Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

      Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members – your health care WILL be rationed!)
      Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)

      Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt monopoly.

      Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.

      Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)

      Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn’t get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)

      Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
      Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn’t provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

      Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

      Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)

      Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access toALL Americans’ finances and personal records.

      Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” (Yes, it really says that!)
      Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)

      Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn’t matter what specialty you have trained yourself in — you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that’s not Socialism!)

      Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor’s time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally– the value of humans.)

      Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for “private” HC industries.

      Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

      Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

      Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e…re-admissions).

      Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission — the Govt will penalize you.

      Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)

      Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
      Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)

      Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want — rationing.)
      Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)

      Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of ‘special needs people!’ Unbelievable!

      Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a “Tele-Health Advisory Committee.” (Can you say HC by phone?)

      Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)

      Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills,durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it’s mandatory!)
      Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; & nbsp;guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)

      Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)

      Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced-care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates.

      Page 429 Lines 10-12: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

      Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn’t want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)

      Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!)

      Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)

      Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

      Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

      Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.

      Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

      Respectfully,

      Stephen E. Fraser, MD

      Dear Reader,
      I urge you to use the power that you were born with (and the power that may soon be taken away) and circulate this email to as many people as you can reach. The Power of the People can stop this from happening to us, our parents, our grandparents, our children, and to following generations.

      • usmadgirl

        Sally,

        Thank you for sharing this. I’ve sent it to all my family & friends on my e-mail list in Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, Florida & Oklahoma & asked them to forward it to all their friends & families! Hopefully, it’ll make its way all over the country! We simply can’t have this tyranny in our country.

      • kattie chg.

        Thank you very much for posting this. My parents, grandparents, uncles, would turn over in their graves, to know our American Rights, of which they fought for and defended on various battlegrounds, have been swooped away because of the free-loaders, and lazy thinkers in our country who voted for this administration, and liar excuse called a president!!
        Why dont we just call it communist and get it over with. I printed this out, and sending it to many people who normally would be overwhelmed by the internet. A copy of this should be distributed in every and all letter boxes through out the country, because most people are not paying attention! This has to be distributed to the MASSES!

    • Rod

      Wow. This is the first time I opened this to read and I see freedom of speech is loud and clear hear in the USA. I have always tried to get the facts on voting day and vote for the best person to lead this country in the direction best for my family and all others that I care about. Right now my heart is sadden by the hate I feel in most of these replies. I do know that whoever is president we as people of the United States should honor what the status of that position intails. Being in the service in the Nam era taught me several things and one was the respect your leaders and pray each day to guide all of us in our daily lives. With what I have read, I guess the only way to run this country is to run it will conservatives in every office in Washington DC and things will be just fine. Who should we impeach, everyone in Washington or should it be just the one’s that are in the majority right now. Didn’t the conservatives have the majority 4 to 8 years back and a president to lead them. Who did you blame then or were things so great that we all lived happilly ever after. I know I mispelled several words and probably didn’t reply to health care. I know I will be blasted by this message and that’s ok for we all have our opinions and the freedom of speech on our sides. But I didn’t leave my left leg overseas to here this hatred on line. If you think I’m a tree hugger you are all so wrong for last election I voted for McCain with one of the reasons being he was a vet but after reading this stuff, I want nothing to do with this party anymore. Your fear tactics will not work on me.

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        All we ask of anyone, is to get the facts, not what you hear on TV, go to the Congressional Records that is all you have to do. I cannot stand liers. You didn’t see McCain bashing Obama, I wish that he had and maybe just maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. I also believe and have believed for years that we need a third party, in fact I voted for Ross Perot as an Independent because he knew how to run a successful company, and had nothing to do with being a lawyer which is the only profession that takes and never gives back.

        • George

          Sally,

          I voted for Ross Perot as well, but in hindsight I wish I hadn’t. I thought he made a lot of sense and I was not happy with either of the other two parties at the time. However, when I look back on it, what I did, along with a lot of other people, is help to elect Bill Clinton. George Bush started looking a lot better to me by the time Clinton had been in office a couple of years. I’m afraid conservatives and libertarians are going to do that again in 2012, which will only help Obama get re-elected for a second 4 year term. I can’t think of anything worse.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            george ; It was already pre-ordained that Clinton would be elected president. Bush Sr’s new job was to go to the summit amd sell the OWO to the tribulals along with the help of MK, The only place that failed to materalize was with Hillary winning the nomination and receiving the 200.000.00 double pay ss president. The majority of the voters were smarter than they were bring given credit for. Too many voters were logging all the many trips Hillary was making to China for whatever reason. They could not possibly all be good will jesters given by accident she did do a small amount of good for all the people because the USA had too many fires in the coals to be manipulated.

      • Tinwarble

        Rod,

        I respect your service, & as a Vet & the son of a Vet I have always respected the Office of the President. But those in power now are fundamentally destroying what we stood up to defend, the Constitution. You say that you don’t like the hate you feel from some of these comments, but which is really worse, saying something bad about the President or having those, with the power to do so, dismiss the thing this country was founded on & that our forefathers died & shed their blood for. Nowhere in the Constitution does it give the people in power the right to take over car company’s, bail out banks or making not having health care a jailable offense.

        You are partially right, but it was Republicans in office, not conservatives. Conservatives believe in limited government, not the out of control government that we have been handed, if Conservatives had been in control thing would not have gotten to the point that find ourselves.

        I love my country, but loving my country doesn’t mean that I have like the guy in the head office. And when I see someone attacking the Constitution, whether it be foreign or DOMESTIC, it is my duty, as well as all of the citizens of this country, to defend it.

        • Jana

          Tinwarble:
          You said it and you said it well.

      • c lee

        As a fellow nam era vet I say to you I dont know what kind of follow the leader blind tactics you were taught but I was taught to think outside the box. If you really think we should just blindly follow the president without thinking fore ourselves then I hope the current soilders we have think more like me because when obamma implements martial law to control the people that dont think like you,I hope to god they also think outside the box and realise that we the true Patriotic Americans are not the enemy because I personaly do not want to be pittrd against our brave soilders not because I fear them but because I realise we are on the same side. I am all fore Honor and civil obediance as long as it is in the true nature of a democracy. As I recall there was once a leader in history that the people followed blindly and millions of innocent people were sluatered, wasnt his name adolf hitler or something to that affect. I am a patriot with a brain and my brain tells me that we are loosing our freedoms more and more on a daily basis. We all need to read this bill and see what all It really says because if it says anything close to what was printed here we should all be outraged. I do not disrespect any part of what you are saying I simply respectibly disagree with it. I hope you did not take this as an insult because it wasnt meant that way. SEMPER FI !!!!

        • Tinwarble

          AMEN brother!!!

      • Norm

        Remember the oath you took to defend the constitution!
        no more should be needed

        • Tinwarble

          Yes I do, & it was to “support & defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies; both foreign & domestic”. Not support & defend anyone’s political beliefs.

          • Jana

            Tin: Especially when they don’t follow the Constitution, and they act more like an enemy than a friend. Obama is not President of all of the people, he is only President of the very far left. If he were Pres. of all of the people he would involve both parties but he has not. He is not even Pres. of all of the Democrats. Just the extreme radical left.
            Nor is he Pres. of any non Socialists and non Communists.
            You know who he is by who he surrounds himself with.

      • George

        Rod,

        Thanks for your service. I served in the Marine Corp during the Vietnam era as well, so I may have an understanding of your feelings better than some who didn’t.

        At any rate, I’m pretty new to this site as well. However, I’ve been pretty impressed with many of the posts because they have been pretty informative. I’ve learned some useful things reading them which has caused me to rethink some of my prior ideas.

        I’ve also found that most people will tone down the rhetoric if you don’t engage in name calling, etc. I will tell you that most of the vile name calling and posts that I’ve read have come from a few liberals who visit occasionally. I think we’d all be better off if we dropped that sort of language and tried to engage in educated discourse in our search for the truth and understanding of the issues. After all, most of us are Americans, and that should bond us together at some level whether we agree on every issue or not. It’s possible we’ll have to go to war again where a conservative will depend on a liberal to watch his back, and vice versa. We need to keep that in mind, I think.

        Regarding some of the harsh language on this site made by conservatives and libertarians, I would just ask you to consider that we are very, very concerned about this government and the direction they seem to want to take us right now. That has these groups of people very upset at the moment. If you think they are fear mongering, it’s only because they are fearful, not because they want to be disrespectful to any of our officials.

      • Joe H.

        Rod,
        Being a brother in arms of the same war, the very last tthing I would do is slam you. See, I was one of the not so brights of the time that volunteered for the army in Jan 68. I volunteered again to go to Viet Nam three times before I was picked. I was beginning to think the only way to stay out was to volunteer to go. I believe in God and country. I took my oath just as personal as I did my marriage vows. When I swore to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, I took that vow for life and not till I ETS from service. I flew in Hueys as a crewchief and a door gunner for eighteen months and I’d be willing to bet I can still take an M60 apart in my sleep and put it back together!!! Give me awhile and I could be back up to snuff on the choppers too. I fought during that time for my country and for the people back home that cared about our country. I also fought for a country that wanted the same type of freedoms that we had. I feel now that God will bring us through these bad times, but we have to help so that he actually knows we want it and believe in him!!! God WILL bless this country again if we let him!!!

        • Joe H.

          P.S. Welcome home brother and thanks for your service to this great country!!!!

  • cerebus23

    I guess it would help if some of these guys actually read the bills they were voting on before they came to a vote. But i suppose that is too much work for legislators.

    And to be shocked that the white house is buying votes by cramming stuff into the bills, or blackmailing people or both. Color me suprised.

    • Sandy

      Maybe if we get rid of most of the congressional staffers (great savings in money) they actually lawmakers will slow down and have to read what they are voting for. Heave forbid they would have to stay in their offices and read instead of drinking and socializing.

    • Earlw

      Why surprised??? This kind of horsetrading with votes and backroom deal-making has been going on for probably 80 years…Just much more so now!!!

  • Virgil Whaley

    We are continuing down the long slope, sliding into socialism. I really see no difference between European communism and American socialism – just geography.
    Our nations government has been taken over by socialists, and their
    efforts are revealing. The media is promoting all of this consistently, feeding the viewing public serving after serving.
    I see no sign of return to sanity and Constitutional government.
    God help us!

  • Cindy

    I would love to know how to stop these guys fromo violating the Constitution. All of the deal that are being made are in direct violation of our Constitution! Who is in charge here?

    • Robert

      Lord Obama is in charge. And his twelve deciples do his bidding. Like Rahm Emanuel, Pelosi, Reid, Geitner, Franks, Dodd, Napilantano, Holder, Biden, Sottomayer, Gibbs, and Clinton. And let’s not forget those other wonderful monks and priests and nuns in the Senate and Congress. You know they do consider themselves religious for political convenience sake. And if you don’t think that Obama is God, just look at all the miracles he’s performed so far. Abra, cadabra, poof 30 million people with health insurance. Wave the magic wand, poof, cash for clunkers. Hokus Pokus, poof, 800 billion dollar stimulus money out of thin air. Just wait until he gets his hands on some fish and bread. Poof, world hunger disappears. Now let’s all get down and bow to the great Lord Obama.

      • Palin12

        LMAO…but you are so right!

      • Pat R

        The rest of the World may eat; but we won’t! As of May 2009, we have no
        “grain reserve” It has all been sold! (Google: US Grain Reserve)
        It is a dire situation we are facing, folks! God Willing, we may survive! This has all been well-planned and executed in the dead of the night, with no media releases or “Congressional” hearings or approval. Unconstitutional

      • Joe H.

        Robert,
        The only time I will ever bow to him is if he is coming to kiss my ass! And that’s a fact Jack!!!!

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          I will bow to kiss no A$$ – I will however ask you to pull your nose to the left side of your face so I may kiss your right sheek.

    • Sandy

      I would wonder where all the ethical lawyers are that could challenge these actions? Is there no one left in the US that has the guts to stand up and sue for our rights? Maybe we all should start a third party to keep the government in line. We could inundate them with lawsuits so they could get nothing done until they shape up or ship out. Or better yet, why not refuse to file and income tax return next year?

      • DaveH

        There is a third Party Sandy that stands for Individual Liberty, Individual Responsibility, and Limited Government – The Libertarian Party.
        I hope that by now people realize that Big Government is the problem, not the solution. The Libertarians are the only Party I know that has the same principles that led to the formation of this once free country.

        • USN Pops

          It’s too bad that we cannot get enough people to elect a 3rd party candidate. The country is so entrenched in being either a Democrat of Republican, that all a third pasrty candidat can do is act as a spoiler, and in most cases, give an election to the democrats. Historically this has proven to be the case.
          What has to happen is not a third party, but actually for everybody to check closely the people they are given to vote for, and be sure and hold them accountable. If the dont do what they should in their term, vote them out. No more of this career building like Reid and Pelosi. They should have been voted out years ago.

          • DaveH

            I agree Pops, but party platforms make it easier for people to know what the candidate would stand for. Of course there are no guarantees, but to thoroughly research every candidate would be an onerous task that most people would forego.
            It’s kind of like when I purchase an Electronic product, I tend to stick with the manufacturer that has done me well in the past. I leave it up to that company to protect their name and scrutinize their product line.

  • Michael Hendry

    Mccain is a large part of it because he is a member of the council Of Foreign Affairs. A group that is out to destroy the united states. Other members are Bush ,Chainey.Obama,Hilary Clinton and others in the goverment. No matter witch party wins they still go in the direction that their group wants to go. which is socialism or the true word is communism.

    • DaveH

      Michael,
      For those of you who insist on sticking with the Republican Party which has long ago forgotten their Limited Government Platform, at the very least start writing and calling the Republican National Committee and let them know that if they want your money and vote then they need to start promoting candidates that will promise to shrink the Government. Here is their website:
      http://www.gop.com/

      • George

        Dave,

        Very good advice. Wouldn’t hurt to do the same to the Democratic Party either, even though I don’t think their leadership is listening right now.

        Guys, just remember that we’ve got to stick together this time if we want to get this group of socialist out of office. As corrupt as I think the system and all those in it are, I think ridding ourselves of this socialist treat is more important to deal with right now. Having said that, we can not sit back and allow this corruption to go on much longer, or we’ll pay a heavy price for it in the end…..

      • Sandy

        Right on Dave!

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        I have already told them I would send them one thousand dollars the day I see them run a true conservative!!! I have it put away waiting! I of course, will have to see a voting record and platform that shows it!!

    • Earlw

      CORRECTION–

      >Council on Foreign Relations<

      Also see: Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group. These Think tanks ALL have lots of influence…

      • Jana

        And if even half of what we know about them is true it is indeed very scary.

  • Norm

    I totally agree that the earmarks given as bribe for healthcare support are disgusting. On the other hand, if the Republicans had taken part in the discussions and offered input to the bill maybe the earmarks could have been avoided and a better bill could have emerged. This idea that they were not allowed to participate is pure unadulurated BS. Their goal was and is simply to destroy Obama. It may just destroy them.
    As far as Mccain goes, I don’t see him “turning down” down his free medical coverage or his social security checks. Surley a man who’s married to the beer queen of the Southwest doesn’t need government handouts. Here’s a guy, raised in a military family, who has been on the government payroll all his life, including a free trip to Annapolis. Amazing how he hates government so much!

    • DaveH

      Sorry Norm, but the “unadulterated BS” is Not. If you would quit getting your information from the Liberal MSM, you would know that the Republicans have offered many viable ideas that the Democrats ignore because most of them involve shrinking the Government involvement in Healthcare rather than growing it as the Democrats want.
      For decades I have endured the Democrats constant Mantra of Bipartisanship when they didn’t have a majority in Congress. Now that they do have a majority, where is that Bipartisanship? Of course, I know that they weren’t genuine. They will just use whatever manipulation it takes to get their way which is domination of our lives and choices.

    • Tinwarble

      So, did you crawl out of your cave to make this comment, I mean you must have been living somewhere other than the real world not to know that the Dems did all of this behind locked doors. I guess that the Republicans could have thrown their 2 cents in if they just yelled really loud or maybe just pushed notes under the door. You blaming the Republicans for not stopping the earmarks is like someone blaming you for letting a bear do you not what in the woods. You know he is going to do it but their ain’t a thing you can do about it.
      I am no fan of McCain as a politician, but I do honor his service to our country. And as he has served our country & suffered for it he deserves what ever benefits he gets, what can you say that you have done to deserve the same.

      • DaveH

        Tin,
        McCain is my State Senator. I have written many letters to him on various issues and I can assure you that he is a RINO. I gave up on Republicans even before Reagan who I thought was a great president but ineffective because his own party members stopped him from getting this country back on course. If you insist on giving Republicans further chances then at least contact the RNC and let them know that you want them to put up candidates that will promise to shrink Government, not grow it further. Here is their website:
        http://www.gop.com/

        • Tinwarble

          DaveH,

          I don’t give up very easily, although, even though I am a registered Republican I consider myself a Conservative. My goal isn’t to give up on the Republican party though, I want to bring the party back to the limited government Conservatism that Reagan fought for. I don’t blame the Republicans that are in the government for doing what they do, I blame the electorate for voting for the guy that runs down the middle of the road & try’s to appease everyone. I blame the people that want entitlements & hand outs & for allowing our representatives to take our freedoms. And as I said, I do not like McCain as a politician, but as a Vet myself, I do honor & respect his service & believe he does deserve his benefits.

          • DaveH

            Honoring and Respecting McCain is one thing, but letting him run your life is quite another.

          • Tinwarble

            But whose fault is that, McCain’s, or those who let him run their lives?

          • DaveH

            LOL. Both.

    • Dee

      Norm, you obviously didn’t watch the Senate Finance Committee on C-SPAN.. I DID… Unfortunately, Senator Max Baucus clearly let the Republicans know that ‘it’s our turn’, so every ammendment to the original bill the Republican’s proposed, was not going to get into their bill…The Democrats unanimously voted ‘NO’ to every ammendment the Repubs offered!! … Now who is the party of ‘NO’?? Did you happen to notice that the ‘Bill’ the Senate Finance Committee passed, DID NOT have a public option in it? However, after Senator Reid got done, it ‘magically appeared’… There was never anything about a Medicare Buy-IN or Public Option. This is clearly a PARTISAN bill, and the Democrats way, they think, to get to a ‘single-payer’ healthcare bill…SOCIALISM… Then to ‘spice it up’ all the BRIBES and PAYOFFS were only offered to DEMOCRATS, at taxpayer expense. Senator McCain is ‘RIGHT’ to question these ‘back-room deals behind CLOSED-LOCKED doors’, bribes, payoffs, and all the CORRUPTION.. The ‘Progressives’ (Dems) will do whatever they think they can get away with, and don’t give a tinkers damn if they violate the Constitution, just as long as the ‘taxpayers’ are stuck with the bill… again!!! Oh, btw, did you happen to hear several REPUBLICAN Senators say that the PRESIDENT wouldn’t even talk to them about Health Care even though they requested a meeting with him? The Republicans were totally ‘shut out’ … Blame the ‘PRESIDENT’ for this. He will be a ONE-Term President!! Oh, on the other ‘spending bills’, like CAP & TRADE, don’t expect any cooperation there either.. The PROGRESSIVES want CONTROL of all Americans & Businesses.. period!! It’s just another step forward to SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM OR MARXISM… take your pick!! Vote ‘Republican’ in the next election, to bring back ‘checks & balances’ to Congress and this ‘Marxist Presient’..

      • George

        Wow! Very well said. I’m going to vote to make you our “cheerleader”. I love your spirit and common sense based on an educated view. Thanks for speaking up.

        • Jana

          Dee, I agree with George. You always state the facts and do it well. Thank you.

      • Norm

        Dee
        The only suggestions I heard from the conservatives were “cut taxes” and “no”. We saw how well the Bush tax cuts worked. Huge deficits, shrinking middle class, finincial collapse, and an upper crust that is oblivious to reality.
        As far as the no votes, as I stated above, they are a ploy by morons like DaMint, McConnell, and the right wingers to impede any and every thing. Where are the centrist Republicans hideing?
        The medical system in this country is sick for many people and is a disgrace for a “super power”. It is also expensive because when everyone doesn’t pay their fair share we payers need to cover their butts.

        • George

          Norm,

          Dee is correct. I think you need to broaden your sources for news. Obviously, you’ve gotten a strong input from the liberal media on this other issues. BTW when did raising taxes ever reduce the federal deficit? They just use the revenue to justify more borrowing and spending. That, and the fact that Bush didn’t veto any spending bills, and the cost to prosecute expensive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan partially explains the rising federal debt during the Bush years. I think Bush felt that he had to appease Congress by letting them spend like drunken sailors so they would support his anti-terrorism efforts. I don’t know if this was true or not, but at the time I did think fighting terrorist was the most important thing we had to do, even though I didn’t like the deficits either.

          If you want to get the economy going (so folks who want a job can find one), you do it by 1) eliminating barriers to trade so more business can be done, and 2) incentivizing the people who create wealth to create more wealth (and jobs). You do the first by reducing tariffs and unnecessary regulations on businesses which just increase costs which reduce their ability to compete in the market. You do the second by reducing taxes and making capital available in other ways so businesses and investors can invest in things that create new products and make businesses more productive. Increasing regulations and taxes will have just the opposite effect, and that’s exactly what the Dems are doing right now…..

          Regarding Republicans voting for this plan, why would you expect them to vote for it since the Democrats gave them NO input into creating it? They were shut out completely. The Dems thought it would be easier and more convenient to get the 60 votes they need from the 60 Democratic Senators than to negotiate with the Republicans, so that was their strategy. What the Dems didn’t figure on was a popular uprising among the American people against this plan, so it wasn’t as easy to get all 60 Dems to vote for the bill as they originally thought. That’s why Harry Reid had to offer several of the hold-outs special billion-dollar deals to get the remaining hold-out votes. They’re hoping that when these Senators go home for the holidays they won’t get a lot of pressure from their constituents to vote against the bill when it comes up for a final vote. For example, Ben Nelson (Nebraska Senator) will find out that only 17% of Nebraskans want this bill to pass. This may give him pause if he wants to get re-elected.

          Just as an fyi, the Republicans agreed early on that we need health care reform. They agreed to work with the Dems to find ways of reducing health care costs and giving Americans who have temporary hardships health care insurance until they could get back to work. They have always opposed giving health care insurance to illegal immigrants and Americans who can afford insurance but choose not to buy it. Other Americans who can’t afford insurance are covered under the existing Medicaid program. Unfortunately, the Dems didn’t take advantage of the opportunity the Republicans gave them to negotiate a bi-partisan bill that accomplished these basic objectives. They opted instead to create a bill that radically overhauled the entire health care system in America, which will likely bankrupt the country within 10-15 years, if not sooner. So, you could have gotten your “free” health care insurance this year if the Dems had worked with the Republicans, but they didn’t, so now you’ll have to wait at least 4 years until these services kick in. However, I wouldn’t get too comfortable with them as they’ll probably go away within a few years since it’ll become painfully obvious to all that the program is unsustainable.

          • DaveH

            George,
            The best thing the Government can do to decrease HealthCare costs is to butt out. 40 years ago when we had our first kid delivered by Caesarian Section it was $400 dollars. I’m talking out of pocket cash, no insurance of any kind. Then the Lawyers started getting involved, and the Government got more involved. And now try to get a C-Section for anywhere near that cheap (even after inflation-adjustment).
            I realize that after decades of Public School and MSM propaganda this article might be pretty scary for most people, but please read it if you want real solutions to the high costs of HealthCare:
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

          • George

            Dave,

            This guy makes a lot of sense to me. Sometimes benefiting the majority means not benefiting the minority. A harsh reality, but as he says it does have the effect of incentivizing people to be more responsible in their own lives. To do otherwise, incents irresponsible behavior.

          • Jana

            DaveH: Then it sounds like we need Tort Reform. Oh that’s right, it was rejected by the Dems. Hmmm, these lawyers know how to twist facts and twist laws, then they become Senators and Representatives. OUCH.

          • DaveH

            Yes Jana, we need to quit electing Lawyers.

        • Joe H.

          Norm,
          Check out HR 956. This bill was co-sponsored by Steven Latourette(R) of Ohio and Mary kaptur (D) also Ohio. It put the politicians on the same insurance as us and us on the same as them. It was tabled in record time because they don’t figure we are as good as them so as to get the same benefits as them!!! Check it out Norm, do your self a favor!!!

    • Time

      Norm,
      The Obama is not a good person, don’t let yourself be fooled into thinking he is. He is nothing more or less than a “Puppet,” he will do as he is told and will take away your Freedoms as fast as Hitler, as a matter of fact I see little differance between the Obama and Hitler.

      Ask yourself this simple question, if you were offered $25 Million dollars to produce your birth certificate, how long would it take you to do so?
      I bet your answer would be less than five minutes.

      So now ask why the Obama has not done so?

      The answer is simple is is covered by the NET WORK who want what YOU have no matter how little or how much. The game is almost done.

      Anyone who questions him is noted as first a Racist, them your a malcontent, then a wackO, and the list of other names is just to long at this point.

      Now use common sense he got in to college on what grant again?
      He lived where and went to school as a child? Look into the past to learn the TRUTH. No other president in US history has had thier college records sealed from the public view. Again ask why is that?

      • LEONIDCAT

        How did HITLER get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media – did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and …. . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for.

        • George

          Hey, that sounds strangely familiar. Where did we hear these ideas recently?????? Let me think.

        • DaveH

          Speaking of guns, with the Democrats going so wild on our money and our freedom, can you imagine how brazen they would be if we weren’t so heavily armed?

          • Norm

            DaveH
            I thought you were smarter than that.

          • c lee

            I dont know Norm, I think Dave H is on to something here.

          • Tinwarble

            Norm,

            So, what, someone can’t be smart & armed?

          • DaveH

            Give me a break Norm. Any intelligent person knows that there are predators in this world that would happily rid you of your money or your life if they didn’t think you would offer resistance.

      • Norm

        Time
        Who is this puppet Obama working for??
        Your ravings baffle me. True, he is slightly left of center. What did he ever say that would lead you to believe he is a communist? Incidently Hitler was a right wing Nazi. Nazi’s and Facist’s hated communists. German Industry was and still is Privatized.

        • George

          Norm,

          The notion that Nazis’ were a right-wing group is fictitious. The Nazis’ were for large government with total control of everything. Conservatives (at least in this country) want smaller government with less control over its citizens. If you look, it’s the liberals/socialist who want bigger government with more control over its citizens.

          • Norm

            George

            Nazism, known officially in German as National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the totalitarian ideology and practices of the Nazi Party or National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.

            Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left-wing and right-wing ideology, Nazism is considered to be a form of far right politics. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist Program in 1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.

            In the 1930s, Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and philosophies which centered around nationalism, anti-communism, traditionalism and the importance of the ethnostate. Groups such as Strasserism and Black Front were part of the early Nazi movement. Their motivations were triggered over anger about the Treaty of Versailles, and what they considered to have been a Jewish/communist conspiracy to humiliate Germany at the end of the World War I. Germany’s post-war ills were critical to the formation of the ideology and its criticisms of the post-war Weimar Republic. The Nazi Party came to power in Germany in 1933.

          • George

            Norm,

            Thanks for the input. I still maintain that Nazism was not a right-wing (like American conservatives) organization/ideology.

          • Jana

            Norm, Nazism might have been considered a Right Wing ideology back in the 40′s but like everything else ie: liberalism, it got perverted. There is no way Nazism is right. Nor is Obama and his administration.

          • coal miner

            George,

            Wrong! Hitler was a rightwinger.He said communisn and socialism were Jewish inventions.His ideas were based on the philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche,the race of super men and all other races or peoples were fit only to serve the strong.Hitler preached that Germans were superior to all other races.He had the the spport of German industrialist,who fear socialism and communism.You and Jana better go back to school and learn a little history. You guys don’t want to admit that the extreme right can be a dictatorship just as bad as a leftwing dictatorship.

        • George

          One more thing, the Nazis hated the Communists and vice versa because they each wanted total control over everything, including the other. That’s not a position they could find a compromise on. The Nazis were fascists, meaning they didn’t want to own everything, they just wanted total control over it. The Communists were socialist, meaning they not only wanted total control over everything, they also wanted to own it. A subtle difference I’ll grant you, but they were different, and both were left-wing organizations.

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            You said in your post that Hitler united the workers. What is O-man doing with the Unions? What will control the workers if the unions take over with that open ballot that they are trying to pass? The unions! And as above states O-man will control the unions!!!

        • John

          Norm,

          Slightly left of center???

          • George

            Exactly. Most of us would say Obama is the most liberal/socialist President in the history of this country. In other words, he has redefined how far left really goes….

        • Time

          Norm Dude, you need to do a lot of rethinking slighly left of center, what planet are you on?

          I also note you failed to answer a single one of my questions.
          How about just one, how fast would you produce your birth certificate for $25 Millon dollars?

          • c lee

            Good question time, and to the other guy I think we need to focus on whats happening in the present. If your happy with it great. However the majority of us are not so were not going to set back and let it happen.

          • Norm

            Time

            Actually many true leftests (Howard Dean etc.) are not all that happy with Obama. He’s far too conservative. He supports the wars and is willing to drop the “government option” on health reform.
            It was Bush that initiated medicare D (drugs) and it is an expensive fiasco. He also bailed out the bankers with TARP(also supported by Mccain). Was Bush a communist too?
            You need to tune away from hate radio and Fux TV long enough to to get a realistic prospective of the world. Rush blamed Obama for the country’s problems before he was even elected. Rush’s “state run media” are actually commercial stations sponsered by capitalist companys. Go figure!
            Did it ever strike you that Rush, Sean, and Glenn are all college flunkies?

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            Who controlled the houses during the last three years of Bushes tenure??? The Dems!!

        • Tinwarble

          Norm,

          Just because you can read, doesn’t mean that you understand. Notions of right-wing & left-wing does not mean the same thing when you are talking about different groups. Even if Nazi’s were right-wing, it’s about how they believe in there Nazi views, not that they were conservatives. Just as right-wing Islamist, is about there views and has nothing to do with our politics. Here in America right-wing means that you are a conservative & left-wing means that you want something for nothing.

          • Joe H.

            Tinwarble,
            Sorry I wanted to answer norm and there wasn’t an icon.

            Norm,
            The only reason that O-man was willing to drop the government option was it wasn’t going to pass with it. Even a few of the dems didn’t want it. just enough that it wouldn’t pass. He wanted to pass it so at a later date he could add the government option. As to the wars he supports them as a means to distract the public from what else he is doing at the time!!!! Like I said in an earlier post, Watch the magicians hands as they reveal a lot, but only if you watch closely!!!

          • George

            Joe,

            Obama may be enough of a politician to still want to get re-elected and hold on to Congress. He can read the polls, and knows that if he does everything his far-left base wants, he’ll lose and they’ll lose Congress because most people in this country are right of center, although only about 1/2 of the conservatives identify with the Republican Party. If he doesn’t appear to govern close to the center, he won’t be able to get the conservative Democrat voters next time. On the other hand, if he doesn’t give his far-left base what they want, they won’t be energized to get out the vote next time. This is a pretty tough situation. What he really wants is an active left and a passive right Dem base. This worked pretty well until conservative talk radio and media gave Dem conservatives opposing views and thereby energized them against many of the initiatives the left wanted. That’s why, I think, the libs demonize Republicans, Fox News, and talk radio like they do. It’s created a problem for them in their conservative base. They’re not as passive as they once were.

            He’s also aware that the Dems are perceived as weak on terrorism, and that in the eyes of average Americans he’s been walking a fine line by shutting down Gitmo, calling terrorism “man-made disasters”, taking a soft line with Iran, Venezuela and other traditional adversaries while not standing strong with Israel and Eastern European allies, and bringing Gitmo terrorists to NYC and giving them constitutional rights and a public trial, among other things. If he’s not careful and we get hit hard again like we did on 9/11/01, the Dems will not be able to recover from the political damage in time for the next election. That’s why he knows it’s essential that he start to create a “tough guy” image to mitigate political damage if/when the terrorists hit us again.

        • Tinwarble

          Also, Germany’s industry wasn’t privatized during the time of the Nazi’s, have you never heard of Volkswagen “the people’s car”!

        • JeffH

          Norm,
          with all due respect, Obama is as far left as it gets. Every word he speaks to reassure the American people just creates a further division between government and the people. The majority knows of his forked tongue, His trust factor and his inability to lead this country is wearing on foriegn countries, such as France as an example. He is now being seen as weak and ineffective. His goal is to socialize America and push for a One World Order, plain and simple, but Americans are now pushing back. Where is the transparency and bipartisanship he so often promised. Obama doesn’t know the differance between lies and the truth anymore. Some may have faith in him, but they have become a minority. He got pretty well slammed at Copenhagen and some of the MSM are now starting to show signs of jumping ship. Democrats,Obama and his administration have been exposed and only a blind, deaf and dumb person (not meant to offend anyone) would not be able to comprehend or understand that. Read the news or listen to the radio, search the internet, it is all there. The Democrats are pretty well finished thanks to Pelosi and Ried, Barney Frank, Baucus and many, many others. Don’t misunderstand me, the Republicans are no better off. Hillary is staying pretty quiet because she still wants to make a run for the White House, but she will bare her fangs when appropriate and drop full support and discredit Obama.
          We all have to take a long look in the mirror and maybe read The Bill of Rights and The Constitution and understand what our forefathers intended when they were concieved and put on paper, thus becoming the most important and meaningful documents in American history.
          There is a huge reason why America is still a nation of freedom, because every household has a right “to keep and bear arms” which gives us the ability to preserve our rights and freedoms from an oppresive government. That clearly demonstrats that one does not need to raise those arms against government, one merely needs to possess that ability to do so.
          Hopefully this era in our nation history will right the ship and we, as voting citizens, make the right choices. It is no longer Democrat vs Republican, it is the American people vs fat cat politics.

          Happy New Year to all.

    • Sandy

      Also sorry Norm. There were many good ideas put forth by the Republican party. You need to read some other points of view. One really good one was a pool to insure people that insurance companies refused because of pre-existing illnesses. The other was to fix medicaid AND Medicare before tackling the bigger picture. The next one was to allow insurance companies to cross state lines to sell products. And last but not least and my personal favorite was to stop drug company advertising – they spend around 57 Billion per year to advertise their poison. Think how much that would reduce the cost of our drugs if that money wasn’t spend. Another Republican plan was to allow us to purchase our drugs from other countries which regulate the price – same drug but Obama said no because they were unsafe for us. Unsafe? What the heck, people in Canada are dying from unsafe drugs? Then there is the built in cost for lawsuits that the drug companies put on the price. Have you read the side affects? Some even list death. If one person dies from a drug that is on the open market that is too many – so the drug companies boil it down to the fact that there will be so many lawsuits and add it to the price. Wake up – OBAMA TOOK 100 MILLION from big PHARMA to get his health care plan passed. Do you see any cost controls ANYWHERE IN THE BILL?

      • Norm

        Sandy
        I agree with everything you say although I would not wait to fix medicare/medicaid. Medicare can be fixed by increaseing contribution amounts from the first 100K plus of earnings to some more reasonable amount.
        Unfortunatly, I didn’t see any of your suggestions put forth by the NeoCons. DeMint said he wanted to see Obama meet his Waterloo. McConnel tried every political trick in the book to scuttle the process. Snowe looked like she had some input, but they shut her up quickly.

      • c lee

        Great comment Sandy. I cant understand why obamma and his socialist cronies felt the entire healthcare system needed rebuilt, I guess for the same reason that we cant simply enforce current immigration laws Oh I remember now because in either case they couldnt have total control over the American citizens. Just replace everything with their socialist bull shi?.

        • Norm

          c lee
          You mean be tough on immigration like Bush/Cheney.

          • c lee

            No Norm I mean enforce the laws that are on the books, I mean build the fence we have already paid for not some virtual fence I mean man it with orders to shoot to kill, I mean round up the illegals that are here and put them on a list of people never to get the oppotunity for legal immigration, I mean to take all the anchor babies and send them with their parents back to mexico, I mean treating the people who came out on their own dime ( the minute men) like the good guys instead of trying to arrest them, I mean sending some help to the rancher in Texas that I saw on the news the other night that has ran off more than 30,000 trespassing mexicans from his land only to be attacked in the media by some latino organization for protecting his land. I think he should have shot them. I mean getting our boarders under control so no one crosses unless we say so just like every other country That I know of. I mean growing a spine and standing our ground, does that answer your quebecause if it doesent Ive got plenty more.

          • George

            C Lee,

            That’s pretty good. The Dems need to get as serious about controlling our boarders as they would be if they thought all of the illegals were going to vote Republican when they got here……

          • usmadgirl

            C Lee,

            No reply “thingy” on your comment so I had to use Norm’s. Also, they have treated Sheriff Joe Arpaio like a common criminal because he’s been doing the job our government should’ve been doing. They treat the border patrol worse than the illegals. This country has become so bass ackwards with all the liberal Political Correctness, it honestly makes me want to barf! You have to be nice & delicate to illegals, terrorists or any criminals (don’t hurt their “wittle feewings”) & treat the decent Americans (mainly conservatives & Christians) like criminals! They don’t WANT the illegals returned to Mexico because they are potential voters when our “leader” grants them all amnesty! Goodbye 2010 elections! Hello, universal government with Obama as our World Dictator!

    • USN Pops

      You seem to have forgotten that Obama held numerous meetings with members of congress during the so called debate. Strange thing was that there were no republicans except Snowe invited to those meetings. And every ammendment presented by conservatines was voted down immediately on the senate floor, or just abandoned in committee.

  • wayne

    First there should be recalls, impeachments going on now, waiting for elections is good but too little too late.Also be ready Obama has promised his acorn election squad to take care of his faithful. HeaDS UP. sOME SHOULD BE READY IT MAY EVEN TAKE A MORE POSITIVE ACTION.

    • DaveH

      Wayne,
      The Congress couldn’t even do it right when the Chief Sexual Harrasser and Liar was in office. And then the Republicans were in majority. We can get behind those states though that are passing laws that will keep the Federal Government’s Unconstitutional Laws from being enforced in their state.

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        Where do we find which states won’t uphold the unconstitutional laws such as obummercare and if they ever pass anything under confiscation of weapons? I want to support any state (they should all go this way) against obamasolientgreen care!!!

        • DaveH

          Sally,
          I found an article which may answer your question:
          http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30807

        • Earlw

          That was “SOYLENT GREEN” as in that remarkable movie about a brutal new world of overcrowded slum-like existence, and a food-cracker ration called by the same name.

        • c lee

          Sally I saw the movie too. Isnt it uncanny how close that movie resembles whats in the works now. Thats a scarry thought.

      • DaveH

        Here is an interesting article on the History of Government Violation of the Constitution:
        http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/04/18/how-to-stop-the-federal-government/

        • Jana

          Dave, thank you for the research you do. You must search the web a lot. Sure helps me as I don’t have a lot of free time, but I do try to pass on information thru my email.

      • Norm

        DaveH
        Good luck on that one.
        If you don’t like the federal government I can’t believe you could support state goverments. Some of the laws of Connecticut are beyond ridiculous.

        • George

          Sadly, I think you’ve got a point there.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    IMPEACHMENT? Do you think that a MARXIST GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO ALLOW IMPEACHMENT!!! WAKE-UP! ANARCHY OR DICTATORSHIP??? THAT IS THE ONLY CHOICE ACCORDING TO THE HISTORY OF MAN!

  • Wesley Garner, Jr.

    Washington has already increase medical costs, as well as given earmarks and pork to several lawmakers in exchange for their support. I for one conservative take issue with the fact that the bill is set to be financed through taxes and hidden fees and will not take effect until sometime in the future. Blinded by power and greed Senate Democrats enthusiastically supported a healthcare bill that will bankrupt our country and saddle future generations with crippling deficits, in addition the Democratic leadership offered to twist arms and fund a wish list to influence some members of their caucus in exchange for votes. Senator Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) won the concession under which the federal government will pay for all of the new Medical enrollees in the state, instead of sharing the cost with the state government as will happen in the rest of the country, according to USA Today. Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La.) obtained a $300 million bump in Medicaid funding for her state. Who else is GUILTY ?
    How stupid does Washington think the American people are to allow this type of Mafia type rule to continue. Many in Washington have lost all common sense, reason, and logic many have continued to be swayed by influence, and powerful constituents. The Constitution and Bill of Rights has been raped and in its place a Liberal Socialized Regime is growing within Washington that should be stopped, for all our sakes. If you think 12.5 trillion isn’t enough debt just wait until this crowd in liberal Washington finishes it could grow by at least 35% more. Wake up America! Our way of life is being changed before our very eyes and the only way to get it back is with a vote and voice.

    • George

      Yes, and where were all those “conservative” Democrats in Congress when it came to principle versus money????????

      • Miles C

        The only principle they have is more money and power! Anything goes as long as it keeps them in office. If the majority had to give up their office, they would probably have to go on welfare, because they would not have a clue about real work and holding down a real job.

        • George

          Miles,

          Actually, you won’t see any of these guys on welfare because they have given themselves lifetime retirement at 100% of pay as well as huge benefits that no welfare recipient will get (I hope)….

      • Norm

        George
        Ditto for the centrist Republicans.

        • George

          Yes, that’s pretty much correct. They’re all corrupt because of the money we’ve allowed them to control. I’m only interested in which ones vote like I want them to, not what they tell me their political philosophy is. As we’ve seen many times, that changes with influence peddling that goes on in DC.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            George: Who Keeps putting the same -o’s in office allowing them the time to build their Big nesteggs at our expense????????
            Why has it taken over 40 years to at least get an improvement to health care brought to the table – shelved – brought bach – shelved – brought back.Why do the Rrpublican Party refuse to share their good fortunue at our xpense with us? Arent we entilled to reap a smidge of our labors?
            What are they truly afraid of?
            We SS receipients get a whopping 20.00 pay increase due to the COLA index while the y vote themselves 3000.00 – 4,000.00 and 5,000.00 $$ raises all along. Sorry, I think it should be up to the voters to determine who deserves a raise or not.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    We must praise John McCain for speaking out against National Hell Care, runaway profligate spending, etc. It’s just unfortunate that he wasn’t more aggressive and outspoken during his 2008 campaign, in which case he could’ve defeated the leftwing radical we now have in the White House.

    Also, it’s pathetic that National Health Care is only opposed by a little over half the population. Of course, if some 63,000,000 morons were foolish enough to elect this Kenyan Marxist, then they must be oblivious to what NHC is really like. And many people get all their information from the biased mainstream media, which neglects to tell us much of what’s written in the NHC bills. Do people know they could face fines and/or imprisonment for refusing to purchase what the government tells us to buy? Do they know about the long waiting lines and rationing of care in the UK or Canada? Do they know that the Democrats in Congress will exempt themselves from this raw deal that they’ll force unto us? And of course it’s going to cost all of us a lot more money than the Democrats are telling us. IMO, people should oppose NHC by a 90 to 95% landslide!! Hopefully we can defeat this NHC raw deal. But if not, the best we can do is boycott it. After all, how can the government put 300 million of us in jail??

    • DaveH

      Earl,
      McCain is a RINO. He does seem to be trying to evolve into a more conservative image, but watch his responses on FoxNews and you will see the political dancing that he does. He will say whatever he perceives will not offend too many people. In other words a smooth talker.
      I have written several letters to McCain on various issues and it is difficult from his ambiguous comments to know exactly where he stands. He’s a typical politician who I think is just trying to ride the wave of the unpopularity of Obama.

    • mtngem98

      McCain is just another “tool”. The reason he lost the election was because he never had a platform to stand on. Alway’s “blowing with the wind”. We had a real chance to elect what could have been the best President in the last century “Ron Paul”. I quit supporting the Republicans during G.W.’s last term because they had also lost touch with reality. We need to educate the populace to what is really happening and elect people who are not devoid of common sense. Until this happens, nothing will change.

      • George

        I think you are partly correct. One of the primary reasons McCain was nominated in the first place is that conservatives split their vote because so many were uncomfortable with Mitt Romney’s Mormon religious preference. Then conservatives couldn’t get excited about McCain because everyone knows he isn’t a strong conservative on many issues. Then on top of that there are many who really thought electing a black President would be a good thing for the country, and Obama came across as a clean-cut, educated, middle of the road kind of guy……Where’s my barf bag?

        • wayne

          How do we get conservative candidate and party. The 2 party system is a farce. No realmeaning to either party, politicians put letter by name to get election support. They don’t care what they stand for just get elected. parties don’t care about candidates just win. I’m also afraid independants have a bad name from past candidats. We do need something we can get together nd support, why can’t we just have conservative party as new york has?

          • George

            Wayne,

            I’m just like you trying to figure this out for myself, so I may not have the magic answer. However, I think the system is corrupt and so it really won’t matter who we send to Washington, they will eventually become corrupted by it. Therefore, I don’t think creating a new party is the answer, nor do I think electing “honest” candidates is going to suddenly solve the problem. We’ve got to fix the system, and that means controlling the MONEY much, much better than we do today. If we can find a way of shutting down the borrowing and printing of money along with holding down taxes, I think it can be done.

            Short term, I think the most pressing problem we’ve got is the push by the Dems to push us into a socialized state. They’ve just about done it now, so we may not have much more time to stop them. This then, is the top priority, in my opinion. We won’t be able to get these guys out of office if we (conservatives) don’t band together and vote as a block. Longer term (starting as soon as we’ve achieved the first priority), I think we’ve got to fix the financial system before we drown in debt.

            I think an organization like the Tea “Party” may be a good forum for conservatives to band together to create agendas and priorities going forward. They should negotiate with all the political parties to see if we can leverage the conservative vote to get the parties to endorse and push our values, etc. Then the Tea Party should endorse the party or candidates which they think will push the conservative ideals and agenda the most. That way, none of the parties can take the conservative vote for granted, and our block of votes should help to offset the enormous amounts of campaign funding coming from special interest groups of all color and strips. Sound reasonable?

          • jim

            Hi Wayne, Thr Electoral College keeps the Presidential race a two party event, with whoever gets the majority in tha state takes the whole state. The last independent to take any states was George Walace in 1968. All other races are popular vote so maybe woking on some state govornerships and Senate seats may be a way to get a foot in the door.

        • Miles C

          Obama, “THE KING”, along with his QUEEN had such a wonderful vacation in Hawaii. The locals had to shut down canals and streets to allow the royalty to eat snow cones and play golf. He’s so considerate! Only of himself. He reminds me of a spoiled brat. I wish I could afford to be able to have a meal out much less a vacation. Why can’t he look around and start living in our country’s means instead of using borrowed money to have a good time????

        • DaveH

          George,
          Mitt Romney is another RINO. He sponsored the freedom-taking HealthCare Bill in Massachusetts.

          • George

            I understand. Right now its more important that we Conservatives find someone who most closely reflects our values, then vote in block, even if he/she isn’t as close as we’d like, than to split our vote and allow the minority libs to continue ruling our country. In other words, even though I’m not completely entranced by McCain or Romney or other RINO, I’ll take them every day and Sunday before I’ll willingly take a socialist/communist/progressive. If that’s the medicine I’ve got to take as a first step in turning this ship around, then so be it…..

          • Norm

            The fact is there isn’t 1 Republican who is presidential material.

          • George

            Norm,

            You can think what you want, but the fact is we’ll be faced with a decision between a socialist Democrat and a somewhat conservative Republican in the next Presidential election. I’ll take bad over worst any time because perfect probably won’t be a candidate…..

          • DaveH

            George,
            Voting for the lesser of two evils (which is still just evil) has gotten us to where we are today. We need to “throw away our vote” on people who really do represent us. They may not get elected at first, but as their numbers grow and more people become aware of them they will eventually succeed. Right now, for instance, the MSM gives very little attention to the Libertarian Party. This is for good reason I might add, as the Libertarians believe in Free Markets. Very few powerful company executives (and that includes Media companies) want the competition of a Free Market. They much prefer the known comfort of Big Government protection.
            FoxNews has broken that Media mold and actually has 3 Libertarian commentators (Judge Napolitano, Glenn Beck, and John Stossel).

          • George

            Dave,

            I hear you, but I don’t think it really matters who or what party is elected because the system is corrupt. They’ll all be corrupt in a short time. I think the answer is we’ve got to take control of these guys by creating a conservative power (maybe like the Tea Party) that guides and pushes politicians to vote and act the way we want them to. We’re used to voting for the “good guy” and then walking away until the next election, and letting the special interest and rich guys take over. We can’t disengage any longer, and we must consolidate our power if we’re going to compete with the liberals/socialist for power in our government.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            I understand what you say about the lesser of evils, but I will be damed if I will vote for someone that can’t win just to hand the election back to O-man!!! I just won’t do that. I love this country too much to put it in his hands for another four years!!!

        • Norm

          George
          Don’t forget Elie Mae Palin. She excited the extreme right but killed it for many Independents, crossover Democrats, and progressive Rebublicans..

          • George

            “Elle May” Palin? Got a big laugh from that one, even though I actually like Sarah.

            It’s been a little perplexing to me why the left dislikes Sarah so much. She seems like a fairly typical middle class, middle American person to me with typical middle American values. Can you help me understand why the left dislikes her so much? If she declared that she was a Democrat, would they still dislike her? Thanks.

          • Claire

            I think Palin is attractive, she appears to have a bubbly personality and likeable, has a gift of gab, and yes, a down-to-earth person. BUT I do not believe she is Presidential material, at least not yet. We need a very strong person that will stand up for what he/she believes. The left would go after her in a New York minute. It would be ugly. Scandals would come out of the woodwork. These past campaigns were nasty enough, I think.
            I can remember a petition went around before the election. It was “Women against Palin.” Less than a week later they had almost 500,000 signatures. It was unbelievable. At the time Hillary was still in the mix. I know I harp about Margaret Thatcher, but I really believe if a woman runs for the presidency, it would have to be a woman with the mettle and knowledge that Thatcher had/has. They didn’t call her the “Iron Lady” for nothing. But near the end, they crucified her too. It was a shame.

          • George

            Clair,

            I know, and tend to agree with you. I was just wondering what Norm would say. I believe the popular theory being batted about in conservative circles is that the liberals are afraid Sarah would cut deeply into their “women vote” because they’re afraid women will identify with her. I don’t know if that’s it or something else. Perhaps the liberals, especially the far-left which is largely from urban areas, just abhor middle American values so much that that’s why they “hate” her. I’m just curious, because while I’m like you in that I don’t really see her as a strong Presidential candidate right now, I do think she has many good qualities. I really think she’ll keep the left focused on her between now and election time, and at the last moment another candidate will step up, sort of like the Dems did with Hillary and Barack. Sound feasible to you?

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            I don’t know if he will run again this time, but if he does check out Duncan Hunter. He wants to shut down our borders to the illegals, and will not approve Amnesty ever. He is very strong on conservative values too! I would have voted for him last election but the MSM wouldn’t give him any coverage after McCain came on the scene!!! He will run on the repub if he runs and I hope he does.

          • Claire

            George—I had to “reply” on Norm’s post. Palin will be a diversion, thats for sure. It will all depend on who runs for the Dems and who runs for the Repubs, of course. Right now, everything is “up in the air” and it is kind of hard to tell what will happen. Naturally, we will know more closer to the time. I think Howard Dean is going to make a comeback. He sure sounds like he is headed that way. As far as the rest of the Dems, I cannot think of a feasible candidate that would be competitive. Can Hillary toss her hat in the ring? If she does, that would create a rather different scenario. And basically the Repubs haven’t got much. Romney is goofy. Newt does not appeal to me. Huckabee is out as far as I’m concerned. He may be a nice guy, but there is something lacking with him. Bobby Jindal? Yuk. It is hard to come up with anyone that knocks my socks off. You know, it may be a totally different ballgame in 2012. With all of the disgusted Americans we could end up with a president from a third party. Wouldn’t that be a kick in the teeth for the Dems and Repubs! But you know, maybe that is what they need. And you are right, possibly someone could step in at the last minute and upset the applecart. There are different and troubled times. Anything can happen.

          • Claire

            George–I have been hearing a lot about Duncan Hunter. I’ going to check him out, especially since he is against amnesty. That is a big item for me and for all of us.

          • Claire

            George–Palin was not quite ready when she ran with McCain. During the campaign, she came across as unknowing, and not too bright. She made some goofy statements, and a person can’t do much of that especially when running for Vice President or President. And the turkey scene on TV, just to mention a few stumbles. A lot of women I know liked her, but they didn’t think she was smart enough. This past year has helped, she speaks more logically now than she did during the campaign. She just needs some more grooming (I don’t mean physical appearance) and polish off her finesse and she will be ready when the time comes. She should not come across with a shreiky voice, she has to sound calm, rational and deliberate, very deliberate.
            she must project strength. My gosh, maybe I should take my own advice!

          • George

            Claire,

            I don’t know a lot about Duncan Hunter either, but what I do know has impressed me as well. Maybe he’ll get in the race again. I agree with you that amnesty for illegal immigrants is a very bad idea. If we reward bad behavior and breaking our laws, we’ll just encourage a lot more of it. Time for a little tough love, I think.

            I won’t vote for another 3rd party candidate unless I’m absolutely sure he/she can win. I don’t want to split our vote and give the libs another free ride. There’s just too much at stake right now. We’re not dealing with traditional moderate Dems any longer. We’re up against a bunch of progressive/socialist with legions of radical kool-aid drinker foot soldiers and big, big money backers who want to take over and change this country. I voted for Ross Perot because I was unhappy with the Republican Party. Later, I realized that I only helped elect Bill Clinton, and I thought that was pretty bad in many ways. It would have really been bad if we hadn’t voted in a Republican Congress with Newt Gingrich as the leader during Clinton’s 2nd term. Ironically, Newt and his guys are the reason Clinton is remembered today as a good President. He got most of the credit. I just hope history corrects this impression.

          • Claire

            George: I had to reply to Norm. Voting for a third party is a very huge problem. The third party must have an extremely strong and known candidate. That is the only possible way. You are so right, the votes will be thrown the opposite way. The coming elections will very interesting and I hope and pray that the good ones get elected. But, it will may be more of the same–none of them will work together.

          • Norm

            George
            Sarah is a very attractive and somewhat likable young lady. She’s also very naive and not very knowledgable of basic facts. When I refered to here as Ellie Mae, I meant Klampett from the Old Beverly Hill Billies TV show. Sarah looked “dumb” on her TV interviews to the point of embarassment. She claims to be a Conservative, but represented the number one wellfare state in the country, depite its oil riches. In my area of the country, she seems like a person totally unqualified to hold any public office higher than maybe small town mayor. Obama, for all the mud thrown his way, is very smart, well educated, knowledgable. Palin is simply nowhere near his league.

          • JeffH

            Sarah Palin talks the talk and walks the walk of the conservative. You can all laugh and poke fun, but she is getting educated every day and has the ability to connect with the average citizen. She might not run or ever be elected President but her values are, what I believe to be, what this nation needs. She is a true American, unlike the country club politiciams on capitol hill or in state capitols all around this nation. She is new and fresh blood, something this country has needed for so long.

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            At the time of the election, Sarah didn’t HAVE to be as well “groomed” as O-man, she was running against Joe foot in the mouth Biden. you know the one that told a paraplegic to stand up and take a bow!!!! She looked absolutely presidential compared to him!!! Even now he plants his foot firmly in his mouth almost every time he speaks!!!

          • Norm

            Joe h
            Your right about Biden. But at least he understands some basic American and world history, and for all his “slips of the mouth” he doesn’t look like a confused, less then bright teenager.

          • George

            Norm,

            Once again, I want to thank you for your thoughtful and respectful remarks. So, Sarah looked unpolished and uneducated to you. That’s a fair statement. After all, you’re entitled to your opinion. To me she came across as bright, fairly articulate, but lacking some polish, and some broader political polish. Still, that didn’t bother me so much since John McCain brought quite a bit of political experience to the job.

            I was happy that Obama selected Joe Biden as his VP running mate since Joe had considerable experience in Washington politics. I thought this might help Obama while he was getting on the job training. However, Biden hasn’t given me the kind of warm feeling now that they are in office that I had hoped he might.

            At any rate I’m curious, did Mitt Romney come across as a polished and educated politician to you? Would he be more like the kind of politician you’d be looking for, assuming he endorsed policies you agreed with?

            Just for reference, I’m wondering if you live in the Northeast in one of the large cities? If so, I’m thinking that might explain some of our differences in perception. I ask this just for info. I live in Texas in a large conservative suburb of one of their largest cities, just so you know where a lot of my thinking comes from.

            Regards.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          : Use the front of your pants to barf in. It would add a nice touch.

  • http://roger@michiganprestain.com Roger Slonaker

    How in this world can the Senator from Louisana obtain A $300 million bump in Medicaid finding for her state …. That’s wonderful for your resume’ Senator but who is paying for this ‘extraordinary-bump’…We need to eliminate this kind of ‘slick-willie-tactics.’ How can the rest of the Senate allow something like this to happen ?

    And what makes the Senator from Nebraska privleged to gain payment for new Medicaid enrollees in his state with the Federal Govt. With the rest of us in other states paying for his folly ????????

    Senator McCain, I hope you will start a movement to eliminate these kind of illicit tactics.

    How about eliminating the ‘special-interest groups, namely ‘Lobbyists’and put Congress back in control. Make decisions based on benefiting the mass and not just a few privleged intersts.

    Maybe it’s time we put term-limits on Senator’s and House Reps.and clear out the ‘Good-Ol’Boys & their Cobb-Web’ thinking or lack therof!

    Roger Slonaker
    Grand Rapids, MI
    1-616-450-5421

    • USN Pops

      Thjere are so many threats going on in the congress now that it’s scary. They leadership, Reid, Pelosi, Franks and mostly Obama are threatening the Conservataive Democrats with everything but censure to get their votes.
      Many of the Dems are not happy with the health care bill, but the threats to take away their funding, cancel govt contracts in their state, withhold funds allocated to their state, and all kinds of other coersions to get their votes. And then there is Nebraska and Louisiana where they brazenly give them Billions to buy their votes.

      We’d be better off with the Mafia in charge. But anytime you put a group that consists of 90% lawyers in charge, you can expect these kinds of shenanigans. Too bad we cant get at least 50% people that actually work for a living to assist running the country.

    • Joe H.

      Roger S.
      It was said on Glenn Beck today that the dems have now said that rest of the states are going to get the same deal!!! Lets hope not!!!! Just think what that will cost us!!! Medicare has liabilities of over three trillion! Medicaid will be just as bad!!!!

      • George

        It’s just money…..we seem to have a never ending supply.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      Can anyone tell me how McCain is allowed to draw so much in S S when as far back as I cam recall he worked mostly in the private sector and politics, contributing nothing into the system. He also left his first accidentally disfigured wife for another dope addicted rich -itch with money to burn and keep the gigalow in the style he became accustomed to living. How much illegal property did he aquire while JACK WENT TO PRISON FOR HIM? aNY ANSWERS ANYONE. l’M LISTENING.

  • DaveH

    There is only one Political Party that I know can get the job done (Shrink Government). That is the Libertarian Party. We believe in Individual Liberty, Individual Responsibility, and Limited Government. Go here to read their Party Platform:
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • Tinwarble

      DaveH,

      I can see were the appeal might be to be a Libertarian, but quite frankly it’s just a little to close to anarchy. 2 problems that I have with the Libertarian party’s view is Drugs & National Defense.
      With the drugs, I mean, would you want you brother, sister, mom, dad or even your daughter or son to be a Crackhead or maybe sticking a needle in their arm to get high on Heroin. I know, I’ve heard the arguments that they could get it anyway & other reasons to make it legal. But I think that making it legal makes it acceptable in society, and I’d rather not take that chance.
      Also, Libertarians think that we should not be the “World Police”, but lets say that someone was coming to rob your house, would you fell better if the police arrested them before they got to your house or after they had already broke in. As a Vet I know why we have bases over seas, to respond faster to things than we could if had to do it from here. Say Iran develops a long range nuke, would you rather destroy it while it’s on the ground with one of missile system or a bomber stationed abroad or wait until they fire it at us to try to take it down. I don’t know about you but I would feel safer them hitting a stationary target than a smaller moving one. It’s also a fairly isolationist view, as though we have no stake in what happens in the rest of the world, personally, I would rather give my life to help someone not have to live under tyranny than sit here eating steak knowing that people are suffering when I could do something about it.

      • DaveH

        Tin,
        Are your parents alcoholics? I hope not. Are you going to become an addict if drugs are legalized? I doubt it. And ask yourself this “Have the drug wars eliminated drug usage?”. Please read this article:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11019

        The Libertarians are not wooses. We would not lie down if somebody attacked our country. Think about how brave we are to go against decades of Big Government propaganda. We just don’t want to impose our military “justice” on the rest of the world.
        What good has it done for the US to be the World’s Policemen? Many Europeans now hate us for being in everybody’s business. Not to mention the Middle-Easterners who probably mostly hate us.
        If the people in those oppressed countries won’t fight for themselves, why should we?
        And look at the mess we made in World War II. We just turned over a large amount of those countries which had been subjugated by Germany to the Russians who then subjugated them. Talk about Immorality.

        • DaveH
        • Tinwarble

          I want you to know that I wasn’t attacking your political beliefs, because I can agree with Libertarians on a majority of issues, a lot more than I could with anything that Liberals have to offer. But there still problems with some issues.
          First, comparing Alcohol with drugs is like comparing apples & oranges. No, my parent alcoholics, but they do have a drink every now & then, but unlike drugs, alcohol isn’t addictive the first time you use it. Take Crack Cocaine, it is addictive on the 1st use, whether you have a propensity to be an addict or not. Some people do become alcoholics, but that is usually something that is inherited. Drugs are not the same way, you could become addicted with very little use.
          Now, I don’t think that Libertarians are wooses. I am just in the mind set though, that the best offense is a good defense. I’m not saying that we impose military “justice”, but if your neighbor was getting beat up, would you stand by & let it happen, or would you to help them out.
          During World War II, Russia was an ally, 1 of 4 major allies during the war. Why we turned over the parts Eastern Europe to them is a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. But also, at the beginning of WWII (in 1939) we were being isolationist, just think of how different the war would have been if had a strategic foot hold in Europe & we had entered into it before we did (in 1942). How many lives would have been saved if Hitler had been killed after he invaded Poland? Now, no one can have foresight into what might happen, but having a contingency for what might happen is better than sitting back and reacting to something that has happened. Bringing all of our troops home helps no one, it doesn’t make anyone like us anymore, because those that don’t like do so not because of our military presence, but the power that America holds in the world. Even those that say they don’t like us because of our military presence, from my experience, they still like military people to spend their dollars, or they did when the dollar was worth something.
          Also, sure it would be nice to catch the robber in the act. But what if they broke in while you were asleep or you walked in on him in the act & he had a gun. It’s nice to say what you would do when it hasn’t happened, but it becomes another thing when it is happening.

          • Tinwarble

            Oh, the robber comment was supposed to be to Earlw

          • DaveH

            Tin,
            I didn’t think you were insulting the Libertarians. I am glad you brought up those issues so I would have a chance to address them. Did you read that article? The drug wars are very similar to the turmoil in the Prohibition Era. The Mafia arose during that time frame. With the Drug Wars and the resultant high prices of the drugs we have enriched the worst element of society (the Drug Lords) and money is power. Look at what is happening in Mexico. Is it worth it just to attempt to prevent people from doing dumb things to themselves? I say “attempt”, because it obviously hasnt’ worked.
            Actually I have known people who have done both drugs and alcohol, and frankly I can’t see any less damage from the alcohol. I think both are foolish to do, but that is what freedom is all about. We get to do dumb things to our own bodies. The Libertarians allow that. But they don’t allow the people who have made those mistakes to ride on the shoulders of unwilling carriers.

          • DaveH

            I should add Tin that I am a health-food nut. I just don’t believe the Government has any business protecting people from themselves.

            I also think that we should have bombed Afghanistan (upon determining that the 9-11 terrorists were trained there) until we killed 3 times as many as they took in the twin-towers attack. Then get the flock out of there. No nation building. We aren’t going to change those people. The best we can do is teach them not to mess with us.

        • Tinwarble

          DaveH

          I didn’t get a chance to read the entire article that you linked, but I did get the gist of it. Basically that our “Global Leadership” has gotten us nowhere. However, I would go back to my first argument about our role in the start of WWII, if we would have had more of a leadership role before its start, would Germany have gotten as far as it did, would we have stop Pearl Harbor before it happened? Hind site is 20/20, but being on your toes makes it easier to defend yourself than it is if you are on your heels. Also, the notion that building alliances with other countries is a better way to secure ourselves doesn’t seem to be the best alternative, most countries will do what is in their own best interest, if all things were equal, sure you could share a balance of power, but all things are not equal. Besides, have you never heard of “If you want something done right, do it yourself”? Another thing is that most people don’t realize that when military personnel are stationed overseas, that is part of their training, most people when they join the military have never been that far from their home, & being able to go to different places & see other cultures makes them more “worldly” if you will, & better soldiers. Did you know that their are many people in our military that are not citizens of the US & don’t even live here in the states. They joined our military because they saw the soldiers stationed in their country & they want to be apart of something greater than themselves. How many countries can say that? I have heard most of the arguments about why we should not be overseas & most of the alternatives to it, but being the Conservative that I am, I believe in self reliance & that old “do it yourself” mentality. It’s good to have alliances, but haven’t you ever had a friend that said one thing then did the opposite.

          As to the “War on Drugs”, yes, yes, I do agree, it has been a joke, but that’s manly because we have never done what needed to be done to lower the number of drugs on our streets. Like, securing our border, going after those that make the drugs & stopping trade with countries that allow drug cartels operate in their country. You say that you want freedom for those who want to do drugs, but that you wouldn’t allow them to stand on the shoulders of others, but what about their families & friends & what about what they do to get their drugs like robbery, fraud & even murdering people to support their habit. How many drug heads have you seen that have a job or can keep a job? I’m not saying that you could ever completely get rid of drugs, but making them illegal, I feel, gives a better outcome then just throwing them in the street for anyone to get.

          I’m not saying that you don’t have some points, & it would be great if we could have absolute freedom, but just like you have freedom of speech, yet, you can’t scream “FIRE” in a crowded theater, there have to be some constraints in freedom, or all you end up with is anarchy.

          As for Afghanistan, I agree with you in part, personally I think that whole place would be better with more of a glassy look.

      • Earlw

        Actually, if someone was robbing my house, I would prefer to be home and apprehend the intruder myself, simply because if the police arrested him beforehand, he would be back on the street. If I apprehended, there is a more than likely fatal or at the least a VERY unpleasant outcome…..

        • USN Pops

          I can go along with the Libertarian view on many matters. But the present leadership of the party are a bit too radical for my tastes. I believe a true libertarian would be a person that took the constitution, and lived by it to the letter.

          And we do need to go beyond our shores when it’s the right thing to do. I read thst there are in the range of 300,000 Iraqi citizens alive today because we took down Saddam and his genocidal regime.

          And the Nuclear site that Israel took out a few months ago, has now been found to have been moved to Syria from Iraq before we went in. So there were WMD’s, just moved before we got there.

          And the hatred that was mentioned can only be overcome by kind deeds. It is not the general population of the Mid East that hates us, but the Radical Islamists that would take away the freedom of thier people to rule them under the archaic doctrine of the past.

          • Tinwarble

            Also, many of the people in the Mid-East have been taught that we are the Devil. How are they to know that we are not if they can never meet us.

          • Joe H.

            Tinwarble and DaveH,
            I was over in Germany in 68 to 70 and the people there welcomed the GIs that behaved. Treated them very well. It is only since we abandoned allies in RVN to take what ever came that the tide changed! There is a sense of non-trust in that hatred you speak of Dave. Look at the Missile system we traded away for the rights to fly over Russian air space. Would you trust your ally if they did that to you? We abandoned the AQ when the Russians were fighting them now we fight them. See the connection? Our government makes promises that we can’t or won’t keep. Then we can’t see why we’re hated by some. We have supported Israel since their inception yet do you think they trust us? Don’t bet on it!!

          • George

            I think all of you guys are making some very good points in this discussion.

            Pops – I do agree that occasionally we do need to intervene military action in other countries, but hopefully not too often. In the case of Iraq, we and most of the rest of the world strongly believed Saddam Hussein had WMDs and might be willing to give them to Al-Qaeda, even though the two groups didn’t get along all that well. Since both had already demonstrated their disdain for the US, a willingness and ability to strike at us in a major way, we had to take that threat seriously. As you know, we left Bagdad alone after the first Gulf War, believing that the Iraqi people would likely over throw Saddam’s regime since it had been significantly weakened during the war. Since that didn’t happen and he was regaining much of his former power, was threatening the US, continued to violate the terms of the peace treaty from the first Gulf War, and was a continuing threat to the stability of the oil supply to the world economy, the decision was made to take him out. Even though our troops didn’t find the “nuclear” WMDs that we thought were there, we do know for a fact that Saddam had “chemical” WMDs because he used them to kill many Kurdish people after the first Gulf War. So, it’s nice that we helped to save thousands of Iraqis from Saddam’s wrath, but that’s not really why we decided to intervene there. Our objectives were much more strategic and focused on the welfare of the US.

            Tinwarble – I think you’ve got a good point.

            Joe – I’m sure you’re correct in your assessment of the US’s relationships with its long term allies. We often think too short term in this country (election-to-election, quarter-to-quarter), and I’m sure that is unsettling to other countries. It would be nice if we had a longer term strategic view of the world relative to some of these issues.

            All – I’d just like to make the observation that one of the possible reasons the Muslims don’t like us much may be that they fear the power of our culture. As you know, there is a strong class system in their world, and they use religion as a powerful tool to maintain the status quo, not all that different, I guess, than the monarchs in Europe did prior to 1900 when they allied with the church. If you note, many of the radical Muslims who have attacked us are from fairly well-to-do families. This just makes me wonder if we’re not really fighting the Muslim ruling class, both wealthy and religious, rather than the Muslim population as a whole. Of course, many are influenced by their rulers, and will offer their lives for the cause if asked. Anyone care to comment on this theory?

          • Tinwarble

            George,

            Here’s another thing that maybe most people haven’t thought about. Saddam Hussein was a crazy, narcissistic & power hungry leader, but what would have happened if Saddam had died & his inbreed sons Uday & Qusay, who were 10 times crazier than Saddam was, took over. What kind of place would it be over there? Saddam killed millions of his own people, what do you think those 2 nut jobs would have done.

          • George

            One can only imagine. Thanks.

  • Marilyn

    It’s nothing but “Bribery!” I don’t care what politicians call it. NOVEMBER 2010 – start cleaning house. And, keep cleaning house thereafter, no matter who is running for office – Democarat or Republican! That is when Americans have the ability to make “CHANGES.” We need to read the complete history of each American Citizen who wants to be a politician! We do the background checks to see who is fit to represent Americans. Enough of this bribery and intimidation! If I owned a business and employees were not fit to represent my business, they would be gone in a heartbeat!

  • http://Don'thaveone Sally

    GUYS THIS ISN’T ABOUT HEALTHCARE – IT IS JUST MORE TAXES. I HAVE REPRINTED BELOW
    Meanwhile, Joe and Jane Citizen only get dunned. If you are a family with an annual income above $88,200 and your employer doesn’t provide coverage, prepare to fork out $15,200 a year for a federally-mandated insurance fee, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) as reported by CNSNews.com. And few employers are going to provide coverage for their employees once the plan kicks in.

    Why? There is an incentive not to. If employers don’t pay their share of their employees’ premiums they’ll have to pay $750 per employee fine. That’s much less than the employer contribution on a complete health plan.

    What’s more, there are tax increases in the bill. Lots of them. According to the Heritage Foundation, Medicare taxes increase from 2.9 percent to 3.4 percent, the top marginal tax rate goes from 35 percent to 39.6 percent and, in the House version of the bill, a surtax of 5.4 percent is put on incomes above $500,000.

    Following is a list from the Heritage Foundation of other tax increases currently in either the House or Senate bill or proposed by the Barack Obama administration to “pay” for healthcare reform:

    An excise tax on high-cost “Cadillac” health insurance plans that cost more than $8,500 a year for individuals or $23,000 for families.
    An excise tax on medical devices such as wheelchairs, breast pumps and syringes used by diabetics for insulin injections.
    A cap on the exclusion of employer-provided health insurance without offsetting tax cuts.
    A limit on itemized deductions for taxpayers with a top income tax rate greater than 28 percent.
    A windfall profits tax on health insurance companies.
    A value-added tax, which would tax the value added to a product at each stage of production.
    An excise tax on sugar-sweetened beverages including non-diet soda and sports drinks.
    Higher taxes on alcoholic beverages including beer, wine and spirits.
    A limit on contributions to health savings accounts.
    An 8 percent tax on all wages paid by employers that do not provide their employees health insurance that satisfies the requirements defined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
    A limit on contributions to flexible spending arrangements.
    Elimination of the deduction for expenses associated with Medicare Part D subsidies.
    An increase in taxes on international businesses.
    Elimination of the tax credits paper companies take for biofuels they create in their production process—the so-called “Black Liquor credit.”
    Fees on insured and self-insured health plans.
    A limit or repeal of the itemized deduction for medical expenses.
    A limit on the Qualified Medical Expense definition.
    An increase in the payroll taxes on students.
    An extension of the Medicare payroll tax to all state and local government employees.
    An increase in taxes on hospitals.
    An increase in the estate tax.
    Increased efforts to close the mythical “tax gap.”
    A 5 percent tax on cosmetic surgery and similar procedures such as Botox treatments, tummy tucks and face lifts.
    A tax on drug companies.
    An increase in the corporate tax on providers of health insurance.
    A $500,000 deduction limitation for the compensation paid by health insurance companies to their officers, employees and directors.
    And the kicker is the taxes go into effect immediately after Obama signs the bill. The healthcare benefits don’t start until 2014.

    All the taxes are designed to confiscate the wealth of Mr. and Mrs. Citizen and drive them into a public option—even as Senate Democrats say the bill doesn’t include one, yet.

    • Raggs

      Sally….

      You hit it on the head!… Health reform is nothing more than a power grab over citizens and non-citizens.. It is in fact big brothers way of controlling our lives and thrusting us in to socialism / marxism.
      All Dem’s must go, we have to take back this country from the tyrannts in the white house… If we do not we will find ourselves under a dictatorship regime.

  • John

    Why is there no mention of the deal made by Bill Nelson of Florida? He apparently was able to protect over 1 million Floridians from cuts to their Mediacare Advantage plans.

    • Raggs

      Good question… And how many more under the table deals with other states rep’s have been made?… I bet it’s many more than we think it is and will know about.

  • Shirley

    I can see this is a Republican newsletter which I will no longer subscribe to. Your comments make me sick. The Dems are doing exactly what the Republican do. In the last 29 years, 20 of those years have been Republican control in this country. Ronald Reagan had the largest deficit spending without a recession or war, from 1.6% of GDP to 6%. Bill Clinton had 4 years of surplus. George Bush went from inheriting a surplus to increasing that to a 10% deficit of GDP. As far as one statement that the country does Not want the health reform, YOU ARE SO VERY WRONG. I do agree this is not what we need but it’s at least a start. Why didn’t the Republicans try to reform health care, because they are paid off by the insurance and drug lobbist.

    • wayne

      Your blindness is the reason we are in this absurd mess. Parties are not the problem crooked politicians ARE. Voters have not checked who or what they have voted for. They have blindly voted party for generations. Listen to Hannity’s program on the streets voters don’t know who they made vice president, they don’t know who heads of representatives or senate, where our real problem comes from. The voters listened to the common alphabet news sources who were paid by soros and other money controllers. From your quotes you haven’t studied you quote what you’ve been told. Clinton served during a surplus because republicans took over congress, Then democrats took majority 2006,m when did problems start? Use a brain.

      • DaveH

        Wayne,
        Here’s some backup for your comment:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

      • Norm

        Republicans = GOOD. Democrats = BAD.
        Its all so simple. I never thought of that.

        • USN Pops

          What many people are overlooking is that the bill reduces the dollar amount paid to Doctors and Hospitals for caring for people. As it is now many doctors are either providing 2 types of care, or as I have found here in the Seattle area, refusing to take care of us under Medicare. Basically because they have to take only 65% of the bill in payment from the government.
          I read that the cost of a mammogram is $150 when you consider all that is involved, maintaining the Office, Equipment, Staffing etc.
          But medicare only pays about $65. So the doctors are refusing medicare patients, or have 2 offices. One to take Medicare, and one Botique office where he can charge $200 and get paid by the patient.
          Then there is the dumping of 20-30 million more people into a healthcare system already understaffed. We don’t have enough medical personnell now to do the job efficiently as the might like. Why do you see an physicians assistant in many cases rather than the doctor when you go to his office.
          So any blind person should be able to see, rationing, and a total reduction in the overall quality of care, and yes to some extent “death panels” brought about by not receiving care in an efficient and timely manner.

          • JeffH

            What everyone fails to realize is that the HCR is not reform at all.

        • George

          Norm,

          I’m very sure most of the folks on this site would not agree that all Republicans are good and all Democrats are bad. However, right now the Democrats are following a bunch of socialist leaders that are driving us over the abyss. This has got to stop.

          • Joe H.

            George,
            Right no there are very few GOOD dems just like there are very few GOOD republicans. The good dems have displayed their good by joining the blue dog dems. The good repubs have nothing to do as they have absolutely no power! That’s how it lays right now. But in a few months???…….

          • George

            Joe,

            That’s right, but keep in mind, the “good” Dems still voted for the health care reform bill. So, if they were really conservative, they compromised their beliefs under political pressure which in some cases involved fat pay-offs (bribes) to their states. That tells me that they aren’t very reliable conservatives. We need representatives who will vote the way we want them to, not just folks who look good, speak well, and tell us they are conservative…..

          • Joe H.

            George,
            Wrong term!!! Dems are LIBERAL!!! Republicans are SUPPOSED TO BE conservative!!!!

          • George

            Joe,

            Point taken. Regardless what the Republicans are supposed to be, they did in fact vote against these health care bills, which is something you can’t say about very many Democrats (actually none in the Senate, so far). That’s exactly what we wanted them to do…..I don’t know how they could have done any better on this one. Do you? It’s not a lot, but it is a start.

          • cr747

            The problem here as I see it is, the right arm didn’t want the left arm to know what the right arm was doing. In other words the Democrats didn’t want the Republicans to know what was going on. Meeting behind closed doors, adding something new each day to the plan….. Wrong, in any court. The Republicans should have been in on the meetings also. The Democrats acted and did what the idiot President,”we have in office,” told them to do!!!!!!!!!!

            That is a lie the President made when he was running for office, that he wanted the Democrats and the Republicans to reach across the ISLE!!!!!!!!!

            Obama is so stupid that when he is addressing the people on TV, he will look to the right teleprompter, and then he will look to the left teleprompter, and never look straight into the camera. That is one way you can tell that a person is insecure about himself. He does not know a thing about what he is doing. He is not even smart enough to be a governor, much less the president of the United States!!!!!!!!

        • Tinwarble

          You know you should watch this, you might learn something from a ex-Liberal:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

      • Claire

        Is there two different Shirleys?

    • c lee

      When are you people going to wake up from your comas and understand whats happening here, stop arguing over party lines decide whos going to get us out of this mess and vote them in. So far the liberterian party seems to appeal to me. While were arguing over who threw the turds in yor sand box we are being taken over and will be citizens of the socialist republic of obamma. Wake up people and lets gitter done.

  • ken

    Conservative friends….you waste your time trying to make sense to the progressive and illiterate left. These two parts of liberalism will and are not capable of rational thinking. DO NOT TRY TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANYTHING! This is not a jab at those two groups but the glaring truth of of how confused they are. I am persuaded this portion of the left is but a small portion of liberalism. The majority of our liberal friends are slowly coming around to understand the dire situation in our country with the current administration and progressive left agendas. Most liberals are realizing how the far left is trying to derail the Constitution and all America stands for. We must work with them to change the diastrous direction we are headed. So, please, do not bash anyone but try to have patience and do not name call or insult anyone because you may lose them forever. The ballot box this year will prove my point. Most of our liberal friends DO see how obama has lied and manipulated the uninformed to vote him and his anti-Constitution agenda. The backgrounds and history of the people obama has put in powerful positions proves my point to those that have the open mind. And the poor lady who was told barack would take care of her mortgage and utilities is still wondering why all the broken promises. This administration doesn’t care a bit about poor, uneducated minorities except for their votes…..but they are slowly realizing they were ‘used’.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

    • Joe H.

      ken,
      I take it you haven’t read tinwarbles post above!!! He was a lib and changed. It happens and we need to keep trying to sway them if possible. I have swayed my cousin to the conservative side from liberalism!!! IT CAN BE DONE!!!!

  • Dan Linton

    Forget the “good guy” politicians coming out against what you’re against or being for what you’re for and how they each fight against one another when what our country needs is protection and basic services that everyone can agree on – and remove career politicians who only listen to ONE station WII-FM (What’s In It For Me).

    What we need is to take our country back – all of us, liberal, conservative and everything in between.

    Here’s how …

    Congressional Reform Act of 2010

    1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below.

    A. Two Six year Senate terms
    B. Six Two year House terms
    C. One Six year Senate term and three Two Year House terms
    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding
    Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go
    home and back to work.

    2. No Tenure / No Pension:

    A congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no
    pay when they are out of office. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

    3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:

    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the
    Social Security system immediately.

    All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress
    participates with the American people.
    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding
    Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, server your term(s), then go
    home and back to work.

    4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

    5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
    Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding
    Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go
    home and back to work.

    6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates
    in the same health care system as the American people.
    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding
    Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go
    home and back to work.

    7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

    8. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective
    1/1/2011. The American people did not make this contract with congressmen, congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.
    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding
    Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go
    home and back to work.

    I’ve been told Point 1 above would require a constitutional amendment; term limits can’t be imposed by statute (per a Supreme Court case); and that Point 8 violates the ex post facto provision in the Constitution, but isn’t that what Obama did with the GM takeover and any number of other actions?

    Whose country is this – our elected “representatives” or ours?

    Hey, it’s 200,000,000 =/- of voting age vs. 535 reps and senators.

    If we tell them we believe in the tenants of the
    Congressional Reform Act of 2010,
    and that we will vote them out if they do not -
    how long will it take us to take back the country?

    Oh, I think about 2-6 years. 2010 is here now – this year,
    no time to waste – if you like freedom and want to focus
    on what good you can do – try promoting these ideas – and
    let our mantra be,

    “Government Mandated Freedom,
    Freedom to succeed,
    Freedom to fail,
    Freedom to try, try, again.”

    • George

      Dan,

      You’ve got some very good ideas here. I think all of these will help us take back our country. However, the next order of business has to be to fix the financial system so the government can’t go out and borrow or print money willy-nilly any longer. That could really help get the corruption out of the system, I think.

    • chuck b

      dan

      this information you have posted has been circulating around the net for some time. there are good points in it and should be the law of the land. members of congress should have term limits C, 2, 3 absolutely!!
      and most of the rest. the longer people set in power in washington the more crooked they become and devise ways to keep that power. 2010 is a good year to start by voting most incumbents out and start the petition for term limits now!!

    • Tinwarble

      Dan,

      Sounds pretty good, but you forgot one:
      No member of Congress of either the Senate or House of Representatives, after serving 12 yrs, may hold another seat of Congress.

    • DaveH

      I do definitely agree Dan that the Politicians Salaries need to be set by the Voters. I also think the Voters should determine the overall expenditures of the Government. And the government should not be allowed to exceed that limit except by Special Election of the Voters in a case of Emergency.

      • DaveH

        I realize that a shortage of toilet paper would be declared an emergency by Obama.

  • http://AmericaTakenDown&ChinaOnTheRise RoseC

    Remember, the healthcare bill is not about healthcare. It’s about death care and higher taxes and the federal government determining who will live and who will die and who will be rationed medications and who will have the plug pulled as all government bills can be amended in the future even if they remove some sections now. ObamaCare is unconstitutional and borders on extortion and bribery for votes and parts in my opinion are illegal, such as holding an imaginary gun to the heads of every working American and saying, “Pay up or else be punished!” It’s against state laws to threaten and put fear in the minds of American consumers and taxpayers to pay up or else under threat go to jail, criminalize Americans, and force them to pay excessive fines and penalities and pay for services not rendered until about 2014 which may never come to fruition. On the other hand, it’s unconstitutional to force Americans to pay for U.S. consumer products made on U.S. soil they don’t want under threat of jail.

    The only people who won’t be punished are those who don’t pay up because they are illegals, indigent; new immigrants and new refugees who have paid nothing or very little into the federal healthcare programs that currently exist for all Americans to access free emergency treatments and free clinics and those same people won’t be punished with jail, so how is ObamaCare legal or constitutional for all citizens and states equally when some are exempted and those in the Executive and legislative branches of government have exempted themselves from their own healthcare bill?

    • Norm

      Do you not think that Insurance cos. limit health care? Most plans have maximum lifetime coverage. They decide what they will or will not cover. Experimental procedures are almost always excluded.
      When people with no insurance show up and clog up emergency rooms who do you think pays for that. Is it any wonder that asperin tablets cost 5 bucks each and bandaids cost 2 bucks each? And how much did your and or your employers premiums go up last year?

      • George

        Norm,

        Everyone agrees that our healthcare system should be reformed because costs are too high. However, most conservatives don’t like the way the Democrats want to do it, and since we’ve been shut out of the process, we naturally have been very critical of the bills that have come out of Congress. Regarding how much better you’d be if everyone had government health insurance, here’s some data showing that Medicare has a record of denying more claims than most commercial insurance companies. (http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/10/06/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-demonizing-private-insurance-companies/). Also, how do you think the government plans to keep premiums down? They’ll do it by subsidizing the cost through higher taxes. So, what you don’t pay in premiums, you’ll make up in higher taxes. And, keep in mind the government has never done anything better and less expensively than private companies. Most of the time, they fall short on both accounts (lower quality & higher cost), but when they do provide really good services (like the military or space program, for example), the costs are astronomical. If you think they’ll be able to provide additional free health care to millions of illegal immigrants and young folks who don’t want to pay for their insurance and the cost won’t go through the roof unless they deny coverage to folks on Medicare, I think you’re dreaming. Already they’ve proposed to reduce the Medicare budget by about $500M to help pay for these “free” services.

        • Norm

          George
          I’ve been on medicare, supplemented by my former employers plan (which includes drugs), for about a year and I’ve had no problems in the few times I’ve used medical care.

          • George

            Norm,

            I’m glad to hear you’ve had a good experience with Medicare. I hear it’s been a pretty good program. I’ll be going on it in a couple of years myself. I just hope it’s still there then and hasn’t been cut back too much…. Take care.

          • Claire

            My husband has been on Medicare for several years now. It is a good system. During this time he has had open heart surgery, an abdominal aneurysm, a perforated colon (that the xray tech did not catch on the x-ray), stints put into the veins going to his kidneys, and now his kidneys are failing. He hs 2 more aneurysms near the heart. So he has been through a lot. He has a supplement (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) and it is great. Other than a few bucks here and there for medication, we have not had to pay out of pocket.
            The Government needs to leave Medicare and Social Security alone!!!

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            And how much would you have had to pay without the medigap policy? You know INSURANCE!!! Insurance to cover your government run health policy!!!

      • DaveH

        Then don’t buy Health Insurance Norm. I don’t. Never have.
        Also if you want cheaper Health Insurance you should know that Government is a large factor in the high cost of Health Insurance:
        http://mises.org/story/3727

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          You could cut those ER costs in half by getting rid of the illegals!!! They cost us more than any American does. Besides, I would rather pay for a U.S. citizen if I have to than an illegal alien any day!!!!

          • Claire

            Well said. I agree.

  • Rod

    RoseC, What do you mean “borders on extortation” The whole Health Care
    bill is right in the middle of extortation! They are breaking every Constitutional and Federal law there is and what’s more, they don’t try to hide it anymore. They plan on Socialism right on into TYRANNY.
    The radicals left are planning on jamming this crap right down our
    throat. There is going to be blood in the streets!

    • c lee

      Keep your powder dry as Chip Woods sayes. Or as I say Lock and Load.

      • DaveH

        I think having the conservative states secede from this unlawful Union would be much better than violence. The Liberal States may come after us, but then the violence will be on their behalf, not ours.

        • Norm

          It was already tried in the 1860′s.
          Besides most of the ‘red states’ would never make it without the federal handouts from the ‘blue states’. It’s amazing how the poorest states, with the most to gain from federal welfare, are the most opposed to it.

      • Jana

        I like lock and load. It sounds tough. It sounds like we are ready for business.

  • Raggs

    Civil unrest is on the rise, the passage of this masive power bill by obama will indeed set off the first bullet. He started it so we need to finish it!

  • ONTIME

    McCain likes to be called a maverick, a uncontrolled force but I would call him what he is a RINO. He has for some time thwarted the attempts to stop illegals by securing the borders, he has made under thetable deals with libs far to many times and he is damn near clueless on economics as he demonstrated during his pesidential run. He failed to demand credentials from his opponent, did not illuminate this opponents associations with radical leftist and muslim islamist and yes, now he is speaking out on congressional procedure but what has taken him so long to put the lack of law in the forefront?

    McCain is seeking another term but the man looking to replace him is younger, far more capable of stating the arguements tha this long time Senator has failed to make on behalf of the conservative. I am certainly glad that a man who thinks that global warming is real and wanted cap and trade is finally coming to his senses but it has taken a lot of yelling, time and consistent pointing out to bring this reckless maverick back onto the track. He has run his course and needs to step down and we thank him for his service.

  • Norm
    • George

      Norm,

      Not many people on this site think that John McCain is fantastic. He was, however, better than the alternative to most of us. Even considering this article, I don’t think many of us have changed our minds on that point.

  • http://MSN B. Rowland

    Everyone – please watch and listen to Glen Beck – he tells it all- what we need to know and what the media is afraid to say or is controlled . . . . . .

    • Norm

      The man is mentally ill.

      • George

        Can you give us a couple of examples?

      • Norm
        • George

          Norm,

          Thanks for the reference. I must say, however, that I’ve watched several of Glenn’s shows, and he impresses me as a very informed political analyst. Actually, I’d like to debunk a lot of what he says because he’s predicting a very dark future for this country. That’s not what I want, but am afraid he’s right. Have you actually watched his show from start to end? If not, I recommend you do so, and try to keep an open mind when you do. Keep in mind that Glenn is a Libertarian, and is critical of Republican policies as well as Democratic policies.

          • Joe H.

            George,
            I like Glenn and watch every day I get a chance. I remember when the White House Puke said that Glenn was a rabble rouser and was making things up. That’s when Glenn had a special line installed for the express purpose of letting the White House contact him to debunk ANYTHING he said. He sent them the number and told them to call anytime even if it wasn’t during his show, and that phone has yet to ring!!!!! O-man and his staffers all know he backs up his talks with facts and research and they can’t dispute any of it!!!

          • George

            Yeah, I know. Glenn Beck has a lot of credibility with me and that grows the more I watch his show. I figure the WH doesn’t engage him in debate because either 1) they know he’s right and they don’t want him to prove them wrong, or 2) they don’t want to give him any credibility by debating him. One thing is for certain, the WH would engage him if they thought that their arguments and facts were so strong as to squash him once and for all. Since they apparently are not, the WH would just come off looking bad, I think. So, their strategy has to be to 1) not engage him directly, while 2) throwing out suggestions that he is some sort of far-right crazy kook. I’m pretty sure their far-left base is more than willing to drink the kool-aid, but I doubt their conservative base will. I expect many of them will watch Glenn’s show and be influenced just like you and I have been. This is a problem for the Dems, because they depend on their conservative base to passively vote Democratic because they’re willing to tolerate their left-wing while hoping they will “hate” the Republican Party. (I believe this is one of the reasons the libs work so hard at demonizing Republicans and conservative ideas.) When the Democratic conservatives wake up and get energized like they did with Reagan, this will spell trouble for the libs.

  • http://Beltleash.com Joseph R Carreiro Sr

    If this health care bill doesn’t get us if it is not stopped in its tracks before passage, a terrorist will with the lack of security in the country at this point. The Constitution is being mocked by the quick push for this bill and if the pages read by the Doctor are the truth of the bills content I guess I should go out and buy the urn that will hold my ashes after my cremation. The reason I say this is that the Radical Muslin has such a hatred of anyone who is not muslin and a believer in their way that our death is the only answer to the Radical.Their minds cannot be changed by reteric,their mission cannot be stopped by the good man, and there is no stopping them by any means for it is their destiny to kill,kill,kill. Believe my way or die is their motto. Nothing can change this attitude for it is in their very soul. Most Muslim people are great people but the Radical Muslim is not even a person but is a trained killer. You cannot change them. Even trying is a waste of time. It is a fanatical religious issue and has no solution.As long as the Radical is alive many people will die. This is the sad truth of Radical Islam.

    • chuck b

      carreiro

      you give the muslims to much slack, they all believe in the koran and we are infidels. when it gets right down to the nitty gritty they will stand and fall together. we are making a terrible mistake by allowing these people to set up their mosque’s in this country. i would give them about as much freedom of religion as they do the christians, in this case less.

      • Claire

        I agree, no mosques. They are multiplying like flies. There is something about the whole situation that I do not trust and I will continue to keep an eye on them. I do not care if they profess to be on America’s “side” or not. Their beliefs are ingrained in them when they are very young and I think there is nothing that will make them change. Their intent is to take over the world, and this fact has been pounded into their heads. Remember that.

    • American Citizen

      That Jordanian turncoat physician who just murdered those CIA agents shows that none of them can be trusted. It’s time to stop letting Middle Easterners emigrate to any other country. A lot of them who are already here should be shipped back to from whence they came.

  • American Citizen

    I have often wondered if the MSM would call the terrorists, Muslims, Islamists, martyrs, what they really are, “Murderers”, if it would give them pause as to what they are doing. The people they murder are the true martyrs.

    • Claire

      I have edited numerous books on terrorism. We all better get a grip and be on the lookout. Sometimes these Islams, Muslims are people you think are Americans and are o.k. but they may have a hidden life. I am not trying to say to suspect your neighbor, etc. just be on the lookout for anything weird and funny. And I don’t mean funny ha ha.

      • Claire

        I’m an editor and I misspelled weird-wierd!@!! Sorry, but I am human too.

        • Claire

          No, I didn’t. Time for me to go to bed.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          SUPER PHONIC JOB Claire. UNDERSTOOD ALL YOU SAID. No more explaination necessary. Pleasant dreams.

      • JeffH

        Has anyone taken the time to think how dumb the Islamic terrorists really are? How long can the 72 Virgins remain Virgins? Would make sense that the first 72 martyrs changed all of that.

        • Joe H.

          jeffH,
          Amen Brother Jeff!!!!!

        • Claire

          JeffH—we no doubt think they are dumb but they are hellbent to destroy America. They are brainwashed to the point of being robots. And I still say “watch your back.” There are plenty of them living here in the U.S. as you well know. I just do not trust any of them. Pure and simple.

  • Mona

    It is too bad that McCain didn’t say more about Obama when he was campaigning. Both of them are for illegal aliens. I only voted for McCain because I knew that I would be throwing my vote away to vote for an independent. If it wasn’t for Glenn Beck, Limbaugh and other Conservative talk show hosts, we wouldn’t know so much about Obama and what he was going to do. I really paid attention to this election and feel that McCain didn’t even try to win.

    • Joe H.

      Mona,
      Palin wanted to go after the O-man team and mcCain wouldn’t let her! she wanted to focus on the affiliations and friendships that O-man had and other pertinent info and he wouldn’t let her.

    • George

      McCain definitely wasn’t a strong candidate. However, if the economy hadn’t tanked just before the election, he might still have won. The big money libs that decided between Barack and Hillary, figured they had a better chance of selling Barack as a rock star than they had of defending Hillary’s long history of “accomplishments and failures.” One of the things Obama had going for him was he wasn’t very well known. I feel pretty sure when people get to know this guy, they’ll have serious concerns about his qualifications to hold this office. That’s why he’s got to accomplish something really big in his first term, so people will identify him with that instead of all the negatives that otherwise surround him.

  • Norm

    Although I personally have problems with McCain with regard to the war in general, immigration, his ‘old ideas’, and his personal indiscretions, I seriously considered voting for him. It was Palin who got my vote for Obama. McCain is an old man, and the thought of her being president is kind of like having one of the three stooges in the white house.
    Truthfully, I would have rather seen Clinton nominated.

    • chuck b

      norm

      and so you ended up voting for one of the three stooges.

    • George

      Norm,

      I want to thank you for your comments. I feel like we’re starting to have a civil conversation that might lead to better understand.

      I think most of us had problems with McCain for one reason or the other. I think it’s interesting that while Sarah turned you off, she actually motivated a lot of conservatives to vote for McCain. She definitely made a difference in the campaign, one way or the other.

      I’m still curious though, what was it about Sarah that turned you off so much? If her lack of experience was the problem, then why didn’t Obama’s lack of experience bother you as well? After all, she was the VP candidate. Obama was running for the top job. Thanks.

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